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B
You
probably
all
saw
that
anissa
sent
out
a
corrected
resolution
for
one
of
the
the
the
inhs
a
designation.
Do
we
have
anyone
aneesa
waiting
for
a
public
comment?
We
don't
okay,.
B
C
D
C
D
B
B
C
B
Okay,
so
on
to
our
action
items,
so
we
have
three
and,
as
you
all
have
noted,
actually,
four
action.
Four,
I'm
sorry,
five
total
action
items,
but
the
first
four,
the
community
developed
based
development
organizations,
three
of
those
and
then
one
for
the
the
community
housing
development
organization
are
all
organizations
we're
familiar
with.
These
are
renewals
of
you
know,
organizations
who
have
these
designations,
so
our
first
one
up
is
fingerlikes,
reuse,.
A
A
That's
something
that
we
very
much
like
to
see
because
it
just
provides
a
little
bit
of
a
cushion
if
any
board
member
were
to
leave.
So
I
don't
have
any
comments
about
finger
lakes,
reuse
other
than
to
say
that.
D
D
B
I
have
to
excuse
me
I'm
switching
between
screens
here.
So
our
next
resolution
is
for
gc
again
an
organization
that
has
carried
the
designation
for
a
few
years.
I
mean,
probably
since
they
started
running
the
http,
the
hospitality
employment
training
program
any
well.
First,
let's
just
move
it.
Someone
would.
B
If
I
remember
correctly,
I
think
in
the
past,
they've
had
some
issues
with
the
board
composition.
You
know
not
meeting
the
requirements,
but
everything
seems
to
be
in
order
this
year.
D
B
A
I
do
have
one
one
comment
that
I
wanted
to
to
make.
I
was
going
to
save
it
for
the
staff
report,
but
it
seems
to
make
sense
here.
You
mentioned
that
sometimes
carl,
that
the
various
organizations
have
trouble
meeting
the
the
standard.
This
is
something
that
nels
and
I
have
discussed.
That's
why
it
was
really
great
to
get
everybody's
forms
in
early
this
year,
so
we
had
more
time
to
review
them
and
that's
something
that
we'll
be
doing
in
the
future.
A
Is
it
takes
a
little
more
reminding
and
that's
something
I
guess
I've
been
hesitant
to
do
in
the
past,
but
I
think
the
organizations
really
need
that,
or
at
least
appreciate
that,
so
there
is
one
category
that
can
be
all
the
categories
can
be
a
little
bit
difficult.
A
So
the
categories
that
board
members
can
meet
is
lmi
person
and
they
sell
sort
of
all
of
these
are
self-certified,
so
they
self-certify
their
income
needs
to
be
within
the
service
area
which,
for
us
is
the
city
of
ithaca,
because
our
city
is
pretty
small,
can
be
a
what's
considered
a
senior
officer
or
an
owner
of
a
private
institution
in
the
area.
So
this
is
where
you
see
things
like
directors
of
other
programs.
A
You
know
people
from
one
of
the
colleges
in
you
know,
administration
things
like
that,
and
then
the
last
one
is
representative
representative
of
another,
sir
lmi
serving
organization
in
the
service
area.
So
that
could
be
somebody
who's
affiliated.
It
hud
defines
that
it's
anything
from
a
member
of
a
volunteer
blog
group
to
a
neighborhood
watch
to
another
organization.
That
is
a
cbdo,
can't
be
the
same
organization,
so
that
category
is
probably
the
least
well
defined
by
hud
and
all
of
these
categories
actually
hud
does
there.
A
There
isn't
a
lot
of
guidance
there,
but
so
one
thing
that
nels
has
been
considering,
and
originally
we
thought
we
would
bring
it
to
ni.
But
I'm
just
going
to,
let
you
know
about
it,
it
will
probably
go
to
governance.
A
Is
whether
or
not
we
want
to
ask
those
who
are
self-certifying
in
the
category
of
representative
of
an
lmi
neighborhood
group
to
provide
a
letter
from
that
group
that
acknowledge
so
the
group
is
acknowledging
that
they
know
that
that
person
is
acting
as
their
representative.
A
A
A
A
Two
one
one
for
giac
and
one
for
finger:
lakes,
reuse;
okay,
thanks.
A
You
know
I
it
doesn't
seem
to
be
an
issue.
I
did
quite
a
bit
of
research
on
this
topic
and
actually
hud
in
in
this
area
of
certifying
community-based
development
organizations.
One
thing
to
remember
is
it's
all
self-certification,
so
the
board
members
themselves
are
attesting
to
the
fact
that
they,
you
know
they
live
in
a
certain
area.
They
have
a
certain
income.
A
We
are
not
required.
Nor
does
hud
suggest
that
we
do
further
investigation
other
than
that
and
in
some
cases
I've
found
examples
of
you
know.
Hud
does
say
in
the
regulations
that
the
participating
jurisdictions
can
can
exercise
flexibility,
for
example,
if
there
is
an
organization
that,
for
some
reason,
isn't
exactly
a
cbdo,
but
it
serves
the
purpose
of
serving
a
neighborhood
or
it
serves.
There
is
some
sort
of
local
knowledge
that
it
has
this
service
orientation
that
the
pj
itself
can
decide
to
accept
that
as
long
as
they
document.
Why?
A
So?
It's
which
is
strange,
that's
not
usually
how
hud
works,
but
I
think
this
comes.
This
is
based
on
conjecture
right
now,
but
I
think
this
comes
from
an
era
where
you
know
hud
was
really
trying
to
support
locally,
led
organizations
and
understanding
that
a
lot
of
these
organizations
might
be
comprised
of
volunteers
who
do
not
necessarily
have
you
know
professional
affiliations
and
really
wanting
to
see
those
types
of
organizations
in
involved
in
hud
planning,
yes,
tracy,
tracy
or
I'm
sorry
teresa.
A
I
think
I
think
nels's
feeling
is
if
there
was
an
audit
that
it's
it's
actually
just
it's
further
documentation
that
these
the
the
agency
has
tried
its
best
to
ensure
that
all
of
the
members
meet
those
criteria,
so
I
don't
think
it
would
be.
If
you're
asking
do
you
would
hud,
you
know
find
something
wrong
with
that.
I
don't
think
so.
I
think
we
do
have
the
discretion
to
be
able
to
impose
a
slightly
higher
standard.
B
I
can't
see
an
advantage
in
that
a
community
based
organization
knows
that
his
volunteers
are
representing
that
organization
on
other
boards.
A
B
And
so,
and
the
volunteers
also
know
that
they
should
be
letting
the
agency
know
that
they
are
representing
the
agency
themselves,
even
though
that
may
not
be
their
intent
right
in
joining
another
board.
If
they
claim
that
designation
is
important,
I
think
that
that
be
known
to
the
the
individual
and
the
agency
they
they
are
purporting
to
represent.
A
Yes,
I
think
that's
exactly
nelson's
thought
exactly
what
you
said.
D
B
So
that's
the
three
excuse
me
community
based
development
organization
resolutions
and
then
the
next
one,
and
we
got
a
an
updated
email
with
an
updated
resolution
for
ithaca,
neighborhood
housing
services,
their
community
housing
development
organization,
certification,.
A
No,
but
just
for
your
for
your
background,
the
the
choto
designation,
I
mean
the
the
certification
forms
that
it
that
a
choto
submits
are
a
much
higher
standard
than
the
cbdo
there's
a
ton
of
financial
information
that
they
submit
capacity,
information
things
like
that.
In
addition
to
the
you
know
they
they
need
to
meet
a
similar,
not
not
as
high
a
standard
as
the
cbdos,
but
a
similar
standard
of
board
membership.
A
third
of
those
on
the
board
must
represent.
A
You
know
some
of
the
interest
area,
whether
an
lmi
person,
a
senior
or
leader
or
owner
of
a
private
institution
or
simply
living
in
a
neighborhood
that
is
designated
as
element.
They
don't
need
to
be
lmi
themselves,
so
so
the
board
composition
angle
is
a
little
bit
different.
I
think
that's
because
there's
so
much
financial
oversight,
that's
necessary
for
a
chodo,
but
the
in
if
you're
wondering
not
that
anybody
has
mentioned.
A
But
we've
talked
a
few
times
about
why
or
just
the
fact
that
I
showed
a
number
of
years
I
saw
in
our
files.
Actually
the
chai
was
or
applied
for
jodo
designation.
You
all
would
know
more
about
that.
That
was
before
I
got
here,
but
it
is
a
you
know.
It
is
a
pretty
high
standard
to
me
and
inhs
has,
you
know
always
meant
that
their
audits
have
been.
You
know
very
regular,
and
there
are
no
findings.
So
that's
just
a
little
back
up.
B
And
tracy,
if
I
remember
correctly,
chai
had
always
had
some
issues
with
meeting
the
the
regulations
for
their
designation.
A
And
honestly,
carl,
I
don't
have
access
to
our
network
when
I'm
here
at
home,
so
I
was
looking
a
little
bit
in
preparing
this
meeting.
I
think
part
of
it
might
be.
I
could
be
wrong.
This
is
something
the
nails
might
know.
Is
the
board
composition.
I
think
they
had
a
very
small
board,
and
so
it
might
have
been
hard
for
them
to
be
able
to
meet
it
just
based
on
their
board
composition,.
C
B
B
The
and
I
can't
remember
the
the
former
catholic
charities
property-
I
forget
what
the
inhs
is
calling
that
project,
but
that's
going
to
change
founders
way.
Okay,
that's
going
to
change
the
composition
of
lmi
people
in
or
will
it
in
that
downtown
neighborhood,
correct.
A
Well,
you
know
this
is
a
very
interesting
question
carl,
and
we
have
the
census
data
that
everybody
is
waiting
on
and,
as
you
know,
the
2020
census.
There
were
a
lot
there's
because
of
the
pandemic
and
other
reasons.
A
I
think
a
lot
of
people
in
roles
like
ours
are
really
wondering
how
that's
going
to
affect
designation
of
lmi
census
tracks,
but
you're
right
in
that
this
will
create
a
lot
of
housing
where
the
affordability
levels
are
going
to
be
open
to
lmi.
Folks,
however,
that
won't
really
be
captured.
A
It's
captured
in
the
you
know
every
three-year
update
that
the
census
does.
But
you
know
it
will
take
a
number
of
years
before
it's
really
captured
at
at
the
full.
I
mean
the
decennial
census,
isn't
for
another
10
years,
of
course,
but
I
think
it's
going
to
take
a
while
for
us
to
see
the
impact
in
the
neighborhood
and
meanwhile,
the
other
areas
of
the
neighborhood
could
be
rising
in
income.
So
it'll
be
very
interesting
to
see
how
it
shakes
out.
A
That
is
an
excellent
question.
Tracy.
I
believe
it
is.
So
that's
a
another
really
great
point:
there's
there's
a
lot
of
extremely
low
income
people
that
will
be
housed
there,
whereas
the
inhs
project,
the
income
banks-
are
probably
going
to
be
a
little
bit
higher,
although
they
also
do
have
some
set-aside
units
for
lower
income.
Folks.
A
D
We
don't
expect
to
see
people
living
at
what
is
it
founders,
whatever
thunder's
way?
I
have
to
explain
to
me
why
it's
called
that,
so
I
can
remember
it,
but
for
a
few
years
I
mean
that
thing
hasn't
been.
It's
not.
A
A
Although
it
will
be
interesting
since
tracy
brought
up
to
lakeview,
I
should
check
in
on
where
they
are
in
their
construction
schedule.
I
mean
they
seem
to
be
moving
along
very
quickly
and
founders
way.
Fernando.
A
I
need
to
re-look
at
this,
but
I
think
it's
an
honor
or
an
homage
to
the
founding
board
of
inhs.
D
A
Call
it
well
I,
but
if
you
bring
up
a
good
question,
maybe
I
could
ask
leslie
or
lynn
about
that
next
time
we
talk
well.
B
All
right,
so
we
have
a
resolution
to
designate
inhs
as
the
community
housing
development
organization
staff
determined
that
they
met
all
the
requirements.
Would
someone
like
to
move
this
resolution?
Remove
it
I'll
move
it?
Okay,
tracy
moves
carl,
so.
E
A
Okay,
so
I
included
the
entire
citizen
action
participation
plan
in
in
your
packet
because
we
might
want
to
briefly
discuss
in
the
staff
report
anonymous
comment.
So
if
you
look
on
page
five,
there's
a
very
brief
little
paragraph
toward
the
bottom,
the
fourth
amendment
was:
is
a
pandemic
related
amendment.
A
So
when
the
pandemic
happened
and
hud
was
releasing
karazhak
funding,
they
they
issued
a
sweeping
series
of
waivers
for
their
program
so
that
the
funding
could
be
implemented
sooner
and
one
of
those
waivers
had
to
do
with
an
expedited
public
comment
period.
A
There
were
some
requirements
about
that
that
that's
one
of
the
most
pertinent
to
this
to
this
amendment,
but
so
hud
then
required
that
participating
jurisdictions
amend
their
citizen
participation
plan
to
basically
document
and
let
the
public
know
that,
because
of
the
pandemic,
there
were
gonna,
be
these
expedited
hearings
and
to
kind
of
indicate
that
in
their
in
citizen
participation
plans.
A
So
we
did
that
with
a
very
simple
amendment
which
you'll
see
was
meant
to
be
temporary
starting
a
april
2nd
2020,
and
we
didn't
know
when
how
long
this
would
need
to
be
in
place.
So
we
guessed
at
that
time.
The
the
amendment
would
like
expire
on
july
30th.
I'm
not
sure
why
that
31st,
that
must
have
just
been
a
mistake.
2021..
A
However,
the
pandemic,
the
emergency
order
and
declaration
related
to
the
pandemic
and
all
the
waivers
related
to
the
cares
act.
Funding
and
probably
when
the
american
rescue
plan
comes
out,
there'll
be
another.
Further
set
of
waivers
are
still
in
effect.
So
what
this
amendment
that
you're,
considering
right
now
simply
does
is
changes
the
expiration
period
from
july
30th
2021
to
basically
when
hud
declares
that
it's
over
and
furthermore,
our
understanding
is
that
all
of
those
waivers
will
go
with
the
funding
kind
of
like
as
they
they're
going
to
carry
those
waivers
forward.
A
B
It
it
does
so
the
question,
though
you're
saying
the
waivers
may
follow.
B
A
So
let
me
see
if
I
can
so
in
the
resolve.
This
is
what
we
attempted
to
show
in
the
in
the
bullet
list
of
the
resolved
on
that,
so
to
extend
the
applicability
of
expedited
public
participation
procedures
according
to
each
of
these
types
of
funding.
For
example,
we
don't
know
what
the
american
rescue
plan
is
going
to.
We
don't
have
any
instruction
on
that
yet.
A
So
I
think
what
we
were
just
trying
to
say
is
that,
for
example,
here
here's
an
example
if,
for
some
reason
we
don't
expend
all
the
cdbg
cv,
funding
that
we
currently
have
planned
to
expend
through
the
through
the
decision-making
process
that
the
ira
made
and
is
recommending
the
common
council.
If,
for
some
reason
we
have
some
money
left
at
some
point
like
whatever
that
might
be
thirty
thousand
five
thousand.
A
A
D
I'm
not
explaining
that
that
makes
sense.
It's
okay,
so
that
so
you're
saying
that
the
the
the
special
processes
that
are
associated
with
the
covet
stay
with
that
money
as
it
moves
along
yeah.
D
A
A
So
another
example
that
might
be
helpful
is
you
might
all
recall
that,
with
the
karzak
funding,
the
mega
waiver
allows
the
lifting
of
the
public
services
cap?
Normally
it's
15
and
we
funded
a
ton
of
public
services
with
that
karzak
funding.
So,
for
example,
even
if
in
2024
that
project
is
still
drawing
down
its
funding,
it's
still
the
the
waving
of
that
cap
is
still,
in
effect,
still
in
fact,
right.
Yeah.
D
B
A
A
A
Okay,
I
do
want
to
point
out
that
there's
actually
the
under
2019
cdbg
cb
activities
you'll
see
there's
a
no
next
to
the
emergency
rental
assistance
program
that
will
change
the
in
my
last
conversation
with
delia
indicated
that
they
had
identified
and
committed
all
the
funds,
all
the
remaining
funds
to
beneficiaries.
A
They
just
have
not.
They
haven't
vouched
for
that
entirely.
Yet
I
think
they're
they're,
probably
submitting
a
voucher
today,
according
to
somebody
I
spoke
to
at
nnhs,
and
there
will
be
a
final
report
of
that
program
on
available
on
july
15th.
So
that'll
probably
be
right
after
our
july
meeting,
so
you'll
probably
hear
about
that
in
august.
D
D
Okay,
I
mean
the
only
project
here
that
seems
to
be
in
red.
Is
that
2019
emergency
rental
assistance
program?
Okay?
So
let's
go
so.
A
What's
going
on
there
so
they
identified,
I
spoke
to
nhs
they've
identified
all
their
beneficiaries,
but
they
haven't
vouchered
for
it
yet,
and
that's
probably
why
it's
still
red
with
kim
the
accountant.
We
expect
that
to
be
changing,
they're,
probably
going
to
submit
a
voucher
today.
I
believe.
D
E
A
A
Yes,
I
I
was
a
part
or
the
coven
19
funders
network
that
I've
spoken
about
before
met
yesterday.
These
this
is
local
philanthropy,
but
martha
robertson
and
deborah
dawson
from
the
county
legislature
were
there
to
talk
about
the
county's
award
of
american
rescue
plan
funding
and
what
their
understanding
of
it
is.
A
However,
it's
so
just
as
background
they
were
going
to
the
philanthropy
or
the
philanthropy
organization,
because
they
know
this
group
has
been
meeting
the
entire
pandemic
and
is
probably
in
a
position
to
make
some
recommendations
of
how
to
reach
impacted
populations.
So
that's
why
they
were
doing
this
presentation,
but
they
also
did
not
have
a
firm
idea
of
when
the
funding
will
be
coming
down.
The
understanding
is
that
it
will
come
in
two
tranches,
so
it'll
be
two-year
funding
and,
like
half
of
the
ore
will
happen.
A
The
first
year
and
half
of
the
award
will
happen
the
second
year,
but
they
also
I'll
check
my
notes
again
really
quick,
but
nobody
mentioned
an
exact
date
for
when
it
could
be
expected
and
the
county
is
going
to
be
going
through
its.
You
know
budgeting
period
this
summer,
so
obviously
they
would
like
to
be
able
to
plan
use
of
that
funding,
but
it
seems
sort
of
unknown
right
now.
That
was
my
understanding.
B
D
A
B
To
go
ahead;
no!
No
go
ahead.
No!
I'm
just
going
to
ask
what
will
be
similar
to
the
role.
Of
course,
the
that
we
play
in
dispersing
the
funds
for
the
action
plan.
A
B
A
You
how
you
have
for
cdbg
cv
programs.
We
expect
that
where
what
our
hud
representative
told
us
was
that
we
could
expect
1.2
million
dollars
to
the
agency
to
this
agency,
the
city
of
ithaca
and
the
county
are
getting
other
amounts
as
a
hud
entitlement
community,
where
the
agency
would
be
getting
1.2
million
and
or
I
shouldn't
say,
the
agency
would
be
getting
it
we'll
be
planning
it
on
behalf
of
the
city.
It
is
being
described
by
hud
as
a
home
hybrid
model.
A
We
don't
know
what
that
means,
and
hud
is
figuring
that
out
right
now.
So
home
funds,
as
you
know,
must
be
designated
to
affordable
housing.
However,
the
current
administration
and
hud
throughout
the
pandemic
have
been
trying
to
find
ways
to.
A
A
So
we're
hud
has
been
exploring
and
encouraging
communities
to
do
things,
just
as
an
example
like
acquisition
of
a
hotel
for
conversion
to
homeless
housing.
That
is
something
that
we're
thinking
that
hud
might
be.
That
might
be
the
hybrid
model
that
they're
trying
to
look
at
how
to
meet
the
needs
of
extremely
low
income
people
who
are
very
housing
insecure
through
funding
that
normally
is
designated
for
permanent
housing.
But
again
this
is
conjecture.
A
We
don't
have
a
lot
of
information
at
this
point,
but
we
do
know
that
it's
going
to
be
related
to
covid
relief.
There
probably
will
be
a
similar
type
of
benchmark
for
proving
covid
impact
that
the
the
project
hat
is
necessary
because
of
covid
with
an
economic
development
or
economic
recovery
kind
of
spin.
On.
D
A
And
also
this
this
funding
according
to
martha
robertson
and
deborah
dawson,
what
they
know
about
it,
needs
to
be
obligated
by
the
end
of
2024
and
needs
to
be
spent
by
the
end
of
2026..
B
All
right,
so,
the
sooner
we
get
the
funds
out
once
everything
is
in
place,
the
longer
our
organizations
will
have
to
to
utilize
those
funds
in
the
community
right
so
we'll
be
looking
at
a
an
application
process
and
reviewing
those
applications
etc.
A
It
could
also
be
I
I
don't
know
if
you
all
remember
this,
but
certainly
at
the
beginning
of
the
pandemic.
A
There
were
a
couple
very
known
like
we
solicited
a
couple
of
not
applications,
but
we
went
directly
to
agencies
to
see
what
they
might
need,
dicc,
for
example.
So
we
did
both.
We
both
solicited
information
and,
in
some
cases,
application
from
agencies
directly,
and
we
also
did
a
an
rfp
model
at
various
points.
A
Throughout
this
process,
for
example,
the
g-ac
funding
and
the
community
outreach
worker
those
we
solicited
that
information
from
the
city
to
determine
whether
that
was
a
way
that
you
know
that
was
a
need
in
our
community.
So
I
think
we
would
probably
follow
a
similar
pathway
both
reaching
out
to
directly
to
agencies
and
asking
them
to
reach
to
us
through
an
rfp.
A
A
Tom
knight
actually
mentioned
that
in
one
of
our
conversations
he
you
know
in
terms
of
the
the
different
kinds
of
infrastructure
funding,
maybe
through
the
the
jobs
act,
that's
very
infrastructure
related,
so
communities
will
be
getting
large
chunks
of
money.
That
way,
but
I
will
remain
in
conversation
with
tom
about
that.
B
All
right
very
interesting,
all
right
staff
report.
A
So
one
of
the
things
I
want
to
report
on
was
tracy.
I
believe
it
was
last
time
you
asked
the
hetp
had
said
in
their
public
presentation
that
they
were
interested
in
doing
a
summer
cohort
and
also
there
was
a
partnership
that
they
have
formed
with
cornell
dining,
and
you
asked
how
that
came
about.
A
I
reached
out
to
sabrina
who's
the
acting
the
acting
coordinator,
and
she
said
that
cornell
itself
reached
out
to
giac
to
in
hatp
to
establish
that
partnership.
Cornell
is
looking
to
by
the
end
of
this
year.
2021
hire
a
hundred
people
for
the
dining
services,
and
what
they'd
like
to
do
is
they?
Will
anyone
that
that
giac
hgtp
recommends
will
have
a
guaranteed
interview
with
cornell
and
any
like?
A
Anyone
who
graduates
with
http
and
is
recommended
by
http
has
a
very
good
chance
of
being
hired
by
cornell
dining,
and
that
will
be
an
ongoing
partnership
until
cornell
has
its
dining
services
needs
met.
A
I
think
that's
something
very
important
that
I
will
mention
too
well.
A
Okay,
so
there
is
that
also
again
this
this
may.
A
This
is
a
topic
for
possibly
governance,
but
also
because
this
or
this
committee
is
more
likely
to
get
public
comment
than
governance
is
part
of
the
reason
I
include
the
entire
system
participation
plan
was
so
that
you
could
see
that
there
is
not
a
provision
for
anonymous
comment.
A
We
recently
received
anonymous
comment
for
the
first
time
in
my
in
my
time
here.
As
you
know,
we
reached
out
to
our
hud
rep,
who
you
know.
I
did
research
to
find
out
what
had
said
about
anonymous
comment
again.
I
only
saw
one
instance
where
anonymous
comment
was
mentioned
and
it
was
not.
It
was
not
in
the
planning
process.
A
It
was
more
in
a
kind
of
a
community
vote
like
a
charette
type
thing,
but
so
our
hud
rep,
who
used
to
be
with
the
city
of
buffalo,
said
that,
for
example
in
the
city
of
buffalo,
they
allowed
anonymous
comment
for
crime
prevention
programs,
because
community
members
had
fears.
Obviously
about
saying
I
want
a
crime
prevention
program,
so
they
made
some
provisions
there,
but
she
wasn't
aware
of
you
know
any
kind
of
broad
hud
guidance
available.
A
I
looked
online
to
find
what
other
communities
are
doing
and
I'm
still
sort
of
early
in
that
process,
but
I
have
found
everything
from
a
community
in
colorado.
I
believe
that
says
in
its
citizen
participation
plan
that
it's
going
to
do
everything
possible
so
that
people
can
comment
in
as
many
ways
as
they
want
to,
including
there
will
be
forms
available
for
anybody
that
wants
to
comment
anonymously.
A
So
that's
one
model,
two
other
models
that
I've
seen
that
have
said
basically
not
outlining
what
they'll
do
with
the
comment,
but
that
should
anonymous
comment
be
received.
A
The
agency
in
charge
of
allocating
those
funds
is
not
obligated
to
consider
it
so
saying
basically
they
might
but
they're
not
obligated
to
so
there's
a
very
broad
range
of
possibilities
of
how
to
deal
with
that.
When
I
spoke
to
ira
legal
counsel,
marianne
gildenheisse,
you
know
she
I
shared
with
her
the
summary
that
you
saw.
A
We
talked
about
how
the
process
went
when
that
commenter
reached
out
to
me.
She
she
stated
she
said
that
you
know
it
sounded.
She
didn't
have
any
concerns
about
how
the
the
comment
was
collected
and
simply
stated
that
the
ira
may
wish
to
consider
implementing
a
policy
about
anonymous
comment.
Obviously
it's
like
when
things
happen,
rules
get
made.
The
agency
may
not
feel
necessary
at
this
time,
so
that's
kind
of
where
we
are
with
things.
A
A
C
D
A
D
Any
of
these
programs
could
feel
like
you
know.
I
don't
want
to
give
my
name
because
you
know
they
want
to
protect
their
anonymity.
So
I'm
less
concerned
with
the
anonymity.
The
timing.
D
Getting
getting
comments
on
a
timely
manner
is
important
only
because
you
have
a
process,
and-
and
you
know
those
boards
are
trying
to
make
decisions,
and
if
you
make
a
decision
here
and
then
two
weeks
later,
you
get
a
comment
that
opposes
or
would
have
been
influential.
I
mean
it's
kind
of
like
almost
too
late,
I
mean.
Sometimes
action
will
have
taken
place
already.
D
It
could
be
literally
too
late,
so
I
don't
know
I
might,
I
suppose,
the
language
that
the
the
board
may
or
may
not
use
it
may
be
as
good
as
we
can
do
and
then
maybe
spend
more
time
in
talking
about
having
better
outreach
so
that
comments
do
come
in
a
timely
manner.
B
E
E
You
know,
put
themselves
out
there
and
they're
going
to
say
something
nasty
and
they
don't.
You
know
they're
like
trolls,
and
then
the
other
one
is
like
more
like
a
whistleblower
where
they've
got
important
information
to
share,
but
they
can't
reveal
who
they
are
without
a
lot
of
risks
themselves,
and
so
I'm
in
favor
of
flexibility.
E
As
long
as
we
sort
of
have
the
common
sense
to
tell
the
difference
between
those
two
situations,
you
know
so
I
mean
maybe
that's
why
a
lot
of
this
is
vague,
because
if
we
encourage
anonymous
comments,
we
get
a
lot
of
sort
of
troll,
you
know
nimby
or
for
whatever
their
basis
is,
but
we
don't
want
to
screen
out
the
ones
that
are
more
like
a
whistleblower
with
important
information.
So
I'm
in
favor
of
vagueness,
as
long
as
we
use
common
sense,
if
that
does
that
make
any
sense.
A
You
know,
I
think
that
makes
a
lot
of
sense
theresa.
I
think
you've
hit
the
nail
on
the
head
on
what
the
the
primary
concerns
are.
Not
wanting
to
exclude
people
who,
for
whatever
reason,
have
knowledge
that
probably
is
specialized
and
maybe
others
in
the
community
aren't
positioned
to
be
able
to
share,
and
for
that
reason
it
might
be
very
clear.
A
You
know
that
that
person
might
be
in
a
whistleblower
situation,
but
you're
also
right
in
this
era
of
you
know.
A
If,
if
anybody's
ever
read
the
comments
which
I
never
tried
to-
and
you
know
news
reports
and
things
like
that-
people
that
there
is
a
lot
of
a
lack
of
accountability
that
can
come
with
the
anonymous
comment,
and
I
think
that
there's
that
concern
so
there's
on
the
one
hand,
the
wanting
to
protect
the
necessary
privacy
of
someone
who
you
know
could
receive
negative
attention,
should
their
name
be
public
and
the
lack
of
accountability.
A
That
comes
with
just
submitting
anonymous
comments,
so
you
know
it
might
be
something
that
the
board
wants
to.
Well,
I
mean
there
is
another
wrinkle
which
is,
as
mariette
mentioned,
that
if
the
agency
in
any
way
has
the
the
commenter's
name
or
identifying
information,
then
that
information
could
be
foilable.
It
could
be
requested
under
the
freedom
of
information
law.
So
we
have
to
be
cautious.
We
can't
say
something
like,
oh
well
as
long
as
we
know
who
the
commenter
is.
A
However,
perhaps
there's
exactly
some
sort
of
combination
provision
that
you
know
the
agency
will
make
every
effort
to
consider
anonymous
comment.
Yet,
at
the
same
time,
it's
not
obligated
to
something
like
that.
C
Well,
I'm
just
thinking
I
mean.
Sometimes
even
a
public
comment
is
more
relevant
or
more,
I
don't
know
specific,
rather
than
just
I
don't
like
it
or
something
like
that,
which
might
be
more
comparable
to
if
someone
was
making
an
anonymous
comment
and
was
just
being
critical,
but
without
any
specifics
I
mean
the
comment
you
got
had
a
lot
of
specifics
in
it
yeah.
You
know
it
wasn't
like
I
just
don't
like
them.
I
don't
think
they're
any
good.
I
you
know
it
wasn't
like
that.
A
I
think
that's
a
really
good
point
as
well,
perhaps
there's
some
sort
of
threshold
of
specificity
that
you
I'm
not
sure.
I
I
think
somebody
in
this
committee
brought
up
that
this
comment
provided
enough
information
that
should
the
board
wish
to
could
ask
the
agency
that
whose
proposal
it
was
being
commented
upon
to
respond
just
like
hey.
What
do
you
say
about
these
things?
Not
that
they
were?
You
know
not
that
there
would
be
some
expectation
that
they
respond
to
accusations,
but
just
you
know,
we've
received
this
information.
A
B
You
know
I
I
agree
with
what
teresa
said
about
the
kind
of
the
two
general
categories
of
there's
trolls,
and
then
there
are
the
whistleblowers.
Now
we
have
a
whistleblower
policy
right.
Almost
all
agencies
are
required
to
have
one.
So
perhaps
within
that
whistleblower
policy,
we
can
add
some
language
addressing
anonymous
comments
that
fall,
that
we
determined
fall
within
the
the
kind
of
the
whistleblower
category.
B
Would
be
sorry
I'll
finish
it
and
that
perhaps
that
allows
us
to
kind
of
treat
the
the
the
comments
we
determined
to
be
troll
or
troll-like
with
you
know,
in
a
different
manner
than
we
would
treat
the
ones
that
we
think
are
in
the
whistleblower
category.
A
So,
yes,
I
think
that
that
is
actually
would
provide
a
very
good
standard.
The
whistleblower
provisions
generally
are
internal
facing
right.
So
it's
a
you
know.
It's
kind
of
for
people
like
within
the
city
within
the
you
know
is,
is
kind
of
how
I
originally
read
those
whistleblower
provisions.
So
maybe
it's
about
crafting
a
parallel
type
of
policy
for
people
who
are
externally
whistleblowing.
You
know
using
that
as
a
model.
I
think
that's
very
would
be
very
sensible.
A
Okay,
so
I
will
let
nils
know
that
and
carl
I'm
sure
you'll.
Let
the
board
know
that
in
your
next.
A
A
B
I
just
one
question
110
auburn
street,
any
update
on
the
progress
there.
Do
you
know,
has
it
been
sold,
are
they
still
working
on
the
renovation.
A
You
know
what
that
has
not
come
up
recently
in
staff
meetings
and
I
haven't
I
haven't
heard
from
leslie
about
that,
so
I
will
I'll
reach
out
and
ask
her
there's
another.
A
D
D
C
And
so
it's
a
lot
of
professional
growers
and
the
volunteer
grower.
People
like
the
master
gardeners
of
which
I
happen
to
be
one
and
it's
from
for
older
folks,
and
you
know
whatever
it's.
It
starts
at
two
to
three
and
then
then
it's
everybody
from
three
to
seven
and
it's.
It
will
be
next
weekend
too,
on
friday,
three
to
seven.