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A
Please
mute
yourself
if
you're,
not
speaking,
that,
would
keep
us
from
having
a
lot
of
background
noise
and
distraction.
Appreciate
that.
Thank
you.
A
It
does
look
like
we're.
Now
live
streaming
on
youtube,
which
is
great,
welcome
everybody.
This
is
the
june
8th
economic
development
community
meeting
of
the
iura
committee
members.
Besides,
myself
include
doug,
diller
and
charlotte
hamilton
and
supported
by
nelsbone
and
charles
pirate
from
the
staff.
So
thank
you
doing
a
quick
agenda
review
nells.
Is
there
anything
in
the
additions
deletions
revisions.
A
I
know
perfect
great
doug.
Are
you
unmuted?
Is
there
anything
you
wanted
to
add
doug?
No,
I
was
just
getting
ready
you're
getting
ready
for
the
minutes.
Okay,
review
the
minutes
from
our
meeting
last
month,
doug
all
right.
A
Second,
by
charlotte
any
discussion
amendments
I
do
feel
without
leslie,
worse
lacking
her
eagle
eye,
but
great
all
in
favor
of
accepting
the
minutes
from
the
last
meeting.
That's
unanimous
3-0!
Thank
you,
okay.
A
So
our
main
agenda
item
for
today,
which
is,
I
think
why
we
have
such
a
nice
turnout,
is
to
continue
our
discussion
of
the
inlet
island
urban
renewal
project,
presumably
culminating
at
our
recommendation
from
this
committee
to
the
ira
regarding
the
conceptual
development
proposals
that
have
been
received,
I'm
just
going
to
do
a
quick
overview
of
both
of
the
process
today
and
the
process.
A
What
our
role
is
in
today's
meeting.
So
certainly
our
role
today
is
to
make
a
recommendation
to
the
iura.
That
is
what
it
is.
It
is
simply
a
recommendation.
It
will
then
be
taken
up
in
full
by
the
iura
at
their
meeting
at
the
end
of
the
month
and
then,
of
course,
that
action
is
subsequent
to
additional
review
and
approvals
by
the
common
council.
So
today
is
just
the
beginning
of
a
series
of
discussions
and
and
approvals,
and
certainly
is
not.
The
final
word
so
just
make
sure
that
that's
clear
for
everybody.
A
We're
gonna
begin
today
with
public
comment.
If
and
what
there
is,
we
have
received
a
little
bit
of
written
comment
and
we'll
see
if
there's
public
comment
from
any
of
any
of
you
three
minutes
max
for
each
commenter
and
then,
if
the
committee
wants
to
choose
to
respond
to
any
of
those
comments,
we'll
provide
some
time
for
committee
members
to
do
that.
A
We'll
then
just
have
a
review
and
discussion
of
the
existing
kind
of
context
on
the
island,
specifically
with
respect
to
the
agreements
and
easements
that
are
in
place
between
the
city
and
other
entities
on
the
island,
and
then
we
sent
each
of
the
sponsors
some
questions
for
follow-up,
and
I
will
review
those
responses
and
see
if
there's
any
sort
of
additional
discussion
or
q.
A
with
the
sponsors
for
clarifications
on
that
or
anything
else
regarding
their
proposal,
and
then
we
have
a
scoring
and
ranking
methodology
we're
going
to
use
to
score
the
proposals.
A
A
If
anybody
is
here
to
actually
make
a
comment
and
you're
not
part
of
the
sponsor
team,
just
sort
of
either
raise
your
virtual
hand
or
raise
your
physical
hand
just
so
we
can
identify
you
aaron!
Thank
you
mark
735,
dave
and
john
okay,
so
it
looks
like
five
or
six
of
you.
Thank
you.
So
paul
charles
is
going
to
put
up
a
timer
and
I
should
have
written
you
all
down.
You
did
this,
but
at
the
first
hand,
of
course,
I
can't
see
you
all
now.
A
I
think
I
saw
aaron
first,
so
we're
gonna
go
with
aaron
first
and
I
saw
mark
second
and
then
whoever
was
seven
three
five.
Seven.
Six
two
you'll
be
third
and
then
dave
cornelius
will
be.
Fourth
and
john
haney
will
be
fifth,
and
if
anybody
else
wants
to
make
a
comment,
maybe
you
could
just
let
us
know
after
that,
so
aaron
you
go
over
to
you
and
charles
will
start
the
timer.
Thank
you
thank.
C
I
have
to
run
to
a
meeting
at
four
I'm
a
local
resident
and
a
member
of
the
coast
guard
auxiliary,
I'm
an
electrical
engineer
by
day
apologize
for
the
dog
having
worked
on
municipal
and
federal
site
developments,
I
do
understand
the
varied
interests
of
the
island
proposals
to
some
degree,
and
I
am
I'm
not
confident
to
date
that
we
have.
C
You
know
altogether,
a
full
picture
of
the
waterfront
integration
and
safety
has
and
whether
or
not
safety
has
been
given
enough
time
and
thought,
particularly
on
the
goals
of
the
project,
I'm
not
unclear
as
to
kind
of
the
the
soft
goals
of
the
project,
the
human
aspect
and
implications
to
motor
safety
in
particular.
C
I
do
know
that
auxiliary
members
would
like
to
contribute.
C
Last
week
I
was
on
a
patrol
where
85
percent
of
boaters
on
the
water
who
were
checked
were
out
of
compliance
with
boater
laws
of
new
york.
We
play
a
major
role
there
and
we'd
like
to
be
integral
in
in
the
future.
C
The
we
are
committed
to
safe
and
clean
marine
environment
boy
scouts
of
america
sea
scouts,
along
with
the
auxiliary,
operate
out
of
our
present
facility
year
round,
and
it's
with
this
partnership
that
education
on
the
waterways
starts
at
an
early
age.
C
A
Ray
thank
you
aaron,
and
thanks
for
coming
today,
to
share
your
thoughts
mark,
I
think,
is
up
next
and
charles
to
start
the
timer,
whenever
you're,
ready
and
unmuted.
D
Okay,
can
you
hear
me,
can
you
hear
me
yes,
okay,
good
afternoon
as
the
original
concept
developer
of
an
earlier
contaminated
site,
the
boatyard
grill
over
20
years
ago?
We
greatly
appreciate
the
need
for
further
development.
D
I've
worked
those
20
plus
years
with
grossly
insufficient
parking
of
the
area,
even
as
it
stands
today,
we
work
tirelessly,
together
with
other
businesses,
primarily
finger
lakes,
boating
island,
health,
now
the
dock
and
even
the
city
to
serve
the
area.
I
can
only
assume
now
that
the
city
understands
that
parking
demands
that
these
places
pose.
So
I'm
not
really
sure.
D
Unfortunately,
the
city
has
inherited
contaminated
land
is
under
consideration
for
this
development,
trying
to
financially
fix
that
problem
by
making
the
cost
of
any
proposal
almost
impossible.
So
now
we're
stuck
looking
at
the
oversized
projects
to
make
it
feasible
with
zero
regard
to
the
operations
who
are
already
there.
D
I
can
assure
you
that
in
reality,
not
in
theory,
four
yard
grill
needs
a
minimum
of
170
spaces,
not
only
by
the
historical
but
by
the
way
of
industry
standards
of
one
parking
space.
First
50
square
feet
of
building
space,
while
some
insufficient
in
efficiencies
do
exist.
Today.
Does
the
city
really
think
by
adding
a
mammoth
project
like
bism,
with
120
units
of
housing,
public
areas
all
while
cutting
off
boarding
center
operation,
leaving
40
years
old
parking
space
in
front
of
the
restaurant
feasible?
D
I
don't
think
so
same
old
truth
for
alchemy's
project,
all
very
high
parking
demand
projects,
a
hundred
room
hotel,
another
restaurant
bus,
housing
and
retail
and
their
employees
with
all
due
respect.
Someone
needs
to
come
down
there
and
get
a
reality
check
and
what
parking
demand
really
looks
like
it's.
A
very
simple
project
process
of
observation,
like
I've
done
all
these
years
after
zoning
book,
not
by
fancy
powerpoints
or
beautiful
glossy
documents
telling
a
fluffy
story.
D
Look
at
the
new
octopus
at
the
corner
of
gigantic
and
buffalo
street
between
three
and
six
any
day
or
when
summer
traffic
is
backed
up
beyond
the
hangar
theater.
It's
truly
astonishing.
You
could
possibly
consider
funneling
some
of
the
traffic
onto
the
tiny
entrance
of
old
town
boulevard
with
these
project
proposals.
D
Even
the
finger
lakes
development
project
proposal
is
tight,
actually
deficient,
but
unlike
a
hotel
chain
or
mammoth
parking
garage,
it
is
something
that
can
be
worked
out
amongst
all
the
players
I
feel,
and
hopefully
without
disrupting
much
of
inlet
island.
Please
consider
the
threat
these
massive
projects
pose
and
they'll
take
the
least
impact
route,
which
is
why
I'm
strongly
supporting
finger
lakes
project
that
is
not
trying
to
put
a
five
gallon
project
in
a
two-core
container.
D
A
Great
timing
mark.
Thank
you
very
much:
okay,
seven,
three:
five,
seven,
six,
two
you're
up
next
hi!
Thank
you!
I'm
john!
Thank
you.
Jen.
E
And
thank
you
for
including
the
public
and
giving
us
an
opportunity
to
speak
as
a
boater
in
the
area
and
I've
worked
in
marine
services.
I
have
trained
in
ithaca
in
their
tourist
training
program
and
watched
the
ithaca
inlet
closely.
I've
always
thought
it
was
in
need
of
improvement
and
we
had
particular
interest
in
what
was
going
on
at
the
old
state
farms
lands.
E
E
The
large
vessel
and
deep
water
infrastructure
is
a
commodity
in
this
country
and
we
have
a
unique
opportunity
to
preserve
it
and
it
may
sound
like
it's
not
a
big
deal,
but
it's
a
very
big
deal
because
we
need
to
have
a
safe
harbor
for
vessels.
This
is
a
very,
very
deep
lake,
she's
well
over
500
feet
deep
and
we
need
a
safe
refuge.
Having
worked
in
marine
services
in
the
ithaca
area,
promoted,
it
promoted
the
value
of
coming
to
ithaca
via
boat
on
the
navigable
waters
that
kayla
lake
is.
E
I
can
tell
you
that
one
of
the
biggest
things
that
were
lacking
was
dockage
on
the
ithaca
side
for
large
vessels.
We
have
people
coming
in
from
toronto
from
kentucky
from
florida
from
texas.
These
are
fully
navigable
waters,
yet
ithaca
doesn't
accommodate
those
boaters
and
many
of
them
come
here
and
they
think
it's
a
beautiful
place.
E
They
like
to
buy
property
they'd
like
to
invest
in
the
community,
but
the
community
doesn't
accommodate
them
and
taking
and
the
inlet
area
which
is
designed
for
large
vessels
and
making
it
a
canoe
kayak,
which
is
nothing
there,
nothing
against
it,
but
we
have
that
resource
all
over
any
any
sure
footage,
except
for
the
cliffs.
You
can
put
a
canoe
or
kayak
in.
Where
do?
I
think
it
would
be
good
to
develop.
I
think
it
would
be
great
to
develop
stuart
park.
E
I
think
a
hotel
and
dockage
would
be
fantastic
in
that
area
and
it
doesn't
have
to
take
up
a
large
footprint
and
the
people
be
right
on
the
lake.
They
can
see
the
sunset
from
there
do.
I
think
the
inlet
needs
to
be
developed
sure,
but
I
also
think
you've
got
boats
that
are
winners
stored
there
and
I'd
like
to
know
what
the
committee
has
come
up
with
for
the
winter
storage
of
those
boats.
E
F
E
Yes,
sir,
I'm
aware
that
the
coast
guard
lost
half
of
its
dockage
and
much
of
this
space
in
2000
when
the
boatyard
grill
went
in
they're
a
neighbor,
I
think
it's
great
to
have
a
restaurant.
We
go
there
all
the
time,
but
at
the
same
time
I
don't
think
the
coast
guard
should
suffer
for
any
development.
A
Thank
you
jen.
Thank
you
for
your
time
today.
Okay,
next
up
on
my
list
was
dave,
and
then
I
have
john
haney
after
that.
So
if
anybody
else
wants
to
speak
after
dave
and
john
do,
let
us
know
dave
over
to
you.
F
F
Nothing
in
those
proposals
showed
anything
that
could
keep
kids
from
wandering
out
of
the
playground
and
falling
off
that
cement
wall
into
the
inlet,
which
is
I'm
also
a
member
of
the
fire
department,
fire
police-
and
that
was
one
of
my
concerns
that
there
was
nothing
that
looked
like
it
could
stop
kids
from
possibly
falling
in
and
drowning.
F
F
So
you
know
I
we,
our
members,
also
just
had
a
kind
of
internal
fundraising,
some
external
fundraising,
to
purchase
new
floats
for
the
floating
dock,
so
our
members
invested
a
few
thousand
dollars
in
redoing
the
dots,
and
you
know
in
anticipation
that
we
were
going
to
be
still
at
that
location
where
all
the
shore
tie-ins
are
located
to
make
that
dock
a
feasible
docking
facility.
F
A
Great
thank
you
very
much
dave
thanks
for
coming
again
this
month,
okay,
john
genie,
you're.
I
think
the
last
one.
H
Hey,
how
are
you
guys
doing
today?
My
name,
is
you
hear
me?
Okay,
my
name
is
john
haney,
I'm
one
of
the
owners
of
finger
lakes
boating
center.
I've
heard
all
the
concerns
and
I
agree
that
the
pressure
for
parking
down
there
we
work
tirelessly
with
with
mark
down
at
the
boatyard
grill,
to
keep
parking
moving
friday
afternoons
on
a
sunny
day
is
crazy
down
there
and
obviously
we
have
a
lot
of
boat
storage.
I've
reviewed
all
the
plans.
There
was
one
part
that
was
asked
about
business
impact.
H
I'd
like
to
talk
about.
I
believe
it
was
the
waterfront
group
by
mr
morris.
He
said
that
we
should
be
looking
for
alternative
boat
storage
and
a
launch
facility.
Well
I'll,
just
give
you
a
quick
little
history.
We
have,
I
mean
right
now.
We
are
we're
in
agreement
with
new
york
state
parks
department
over
at
treeman
to
store
boats
over
there,
we're
storing,
roughly
around
115
boats
over
there
for
the
winter
and
the
rest
of
them
are
obviously
stored
in
our
boathouse
and
on
the
grounds
that
we
release
from
the
city.
H
That's
it's
probably
the
best.
We
can
do
right
now
with
the
land
that
we're
given.
We
don't
know
where
else
we
could
go.
I
mean
we
do
own
property
at
730,
willow
ave
and
we
do
store
probably
50
boats
over
there.
H
We
are
the
last
hall
facility
on
the
southern
end
of
this
lake
and
if,
for
some
reason
we
had
to
go
somewhere,
boating
would
cease
to
exist
for
those
large
those
large
customers
and
in
the
past
couple
months
because
of
this
development
process,
I've
been
asked.
What
are
we
going
to
do?
What
am
I
going
to
do
with
my
30-foot
boat?
I
mean.
How
can
I
be
manage
it
because
we
do
have
limitations
going
to
treatment.
H
But
that's
that's
really
the
main,
the
main
issue
that
we
have
that
we
saw-
and
we
just
wanted
to
share
that
share
that
with
you
guys.
I
didn't
know
if
you
guys
had
any
questions
for
me
at
the
time
either
since
we
do
run
the
facility
over
there.
A
Great,
thank
you,
john.
It's
possible.
If
you
are
able
to
stay,
we
may
have
a
couple
questions
once
we
get
into
actual
discussion
about
just
the
interactions
between
the
proposals
and
your
facility,
let
me
just
check
with
doug
and
charlotte
any
response
to
the
public
comment.
Does
any
of
you
either
of
you
want
to
comment
now
on
anything
that
was
raised
by
any
of
the
participants.
A
That
would
be
great.
Thank
you
very
much.
Okay
nells!
Can
we
go
with
you
for
a
review
of
existing
kind
of
agreements
and
easements
on
the
island.
B
Sure
yeah
I
in
the
meeting
packet
there
is
a
summary
of
the
agreements
and
as
well
at
the
very
end
of
the
meeting
packet,
are
several
of
the
agreements
themselves
that
you
can
dig
into
deeper.
If
you
want
to
review
them,
I'm
not
sure
it's
a
totally
exhaustive
list,
but
it
certainly
covers
some
of
the
main
ones.
The
you
know
we
wanted
to
understand
previously
from
the
committee
some
of
those
agreements,
especially
as
they
relate
to
parking
and
land
use
restrictions.
B
B
I
think
this
year's
a
little
over
twenty
eight
thousand
dollars
to
not
meter
at
the
parking
lot
and
keep
it
as
open
for
public
use
for
everyone
without
any
charge
that
that's
been
going
on
since
2011,
and
it
is
currently
on
a
year
to
year
basis
right
now,
the
there's
an
easement
agreement
as
well
regarding
the
discontinued
portion
of
the
old
tiganic
boulevard
road
at
the
very
end
of
the
northern
tip.
That's
where
you
have
a
public
private
ownership
for
that
43
space
parking
lot
in
front
of
the
boat
yard.
B
Grill
part
of
that
parking
lot
is
on
city
property,
the
discontinued
old,
toganic
boulevard,
road
bed
and
parties
on
property
owned
by
the
boatyard
grill
marine
realty
of
ithaca.
Maybe
a
part
of
it
is
also
part
of
the
boating
center.
It's
a
a
mix.
The
the
condition
of
that
agreement
was
that
it
would
be
open
for
public
parking
at
no
cost
and
that
the
marina
realty
of
ithaca
would
be
responsible
for
all
maintenance
and
repair
costs
associated
with
that
garage.
With
that
parking
area.
B
That's
a
20-year
agreement
and
we're
approaching
the
end
of
that
20-year
agreement.
I
I
think
it
moves
to
a
year-to-year
basis
after
that,
the
there's
also
a
license
agreement
between
the
city
and
for
use
of
boat
storage
on
the
former
airway
fuels
parcel.
That's
the
area,
just
south
of
them
of
the
coast
guard
auxiliary
property.
B
That
was,
is
basically
it's
a
lease
payment
on
a
year-to-year
basis
for
use
of
that
facility.
That
is
a
site
that
has
contamination
on
it.
A
sub
subterranean
contamination
from
the
former
bulk
fuel
storage
uses
in
that
area
and
the
the
private
party
has
demolished
the
old
building
that
was
on
that
site
to
make
it
more
available
for
use
of
storage
and
to
remove
a
derelict
building
on
the
island
that
was
at
no
cost
to
the
city.
For
that
demolition.
B
Then
we
have
a
series
of
new
york
state
associated
agreements.
The
maybe
the
most
important
one
is
the
coast
guard.
I
mean
I'm
sorry,
the
dec
permanent
easement
along
the
foot
control
channel.
That's
a
25
foot
wide
easement
that
essentially
prohibits
any
structures,
does
allow
for
public
use
and
access,
but
it
does
it
it
discourages.
It
makes
it
very
difficult
to
put
any
structures
in
that
area
and
also
in
the
past,
has
been
an
impediment
for
any
dockage
or
floating
vessels,
or
anything
that
would
be
viewed
as
a
snake
hazard.
B
Should
the
flood
control
channel
experience,
high
water
conditions
and
flood
conditions,
that's
a
determination
that
dec
makes
on
a
case-by-case
basis
and
they
change
staff
over
the
years
and
and
some
you
know
there-
may
it
appears
they
may
be
a
little
more
open
to
a
little
more
flexible
than
they
were
at
one
time
in
that,
but
it
still
is
a
permanent
easement
that
runs
up
and
down
the
entire
flood
control
channel.
It
also
requires
that
dec
be
provided
with
vehicular
access
to
maintain
that
flight
control
channel.
B
So
there
are
several
points
along
the
island
where
they
have
the
rights
to
cross
over
with
heavy
equipment,
if
necessary,
to
maintain
the
the
bank
of
the
of
the
flood
control
channel.
One
itself,
then
there's
the
coast
guard
auxiliary,
permit,
which
involves
the
coast
guard
auxiliary
property.
That
was
mentioned
in
public
comment.
That's
a
an
agreement
that
was
signed.
B
I
think
we
heard
in
1969
essentially
provides
the
coast
guard
auxiliary
with
use
of
that
building,
on
condition
that
they
maintain
the
property
and
are
responsible
for
all
maintenance
repairs
and
any
costs
associated
with
the
use
of
that
property,
and
I
believe
they
it's
intended
that
they
continue
their
educational
mission.
As
part
of
that
agreement.
B
There
also
is
a
public
ownership
at
the
very
tip
of
the
island,
the
lookout
point
where
you
have
benches
in
an
overlook
area.
That
is
also
it's
just
south
of
that.
There's
an
area
where
your
grill
erects
an
event
tent,
and
I
think
that
area
is
in
an
agreement
between
new
york,
state
and
boatyard
grill
owners.
There
is
partial
ownership
of
that
area,
I
believe,
is
part
of
the
restaurant
parcel
and
then
part
of
it
is
part
of
the
new
york
state-owned
property.
I
believe-
and
that's
that's
a
year-to-year
agreement.
B
As
I
understand
it,
and
then
final
thing
to
point
out
is
the
canal
corporation
blue
line
agreement
on
the
east
side
of
the
island.
The
canal
corporation
maintains
control
of
all
development
that
extends
over
the
historic
boundaries
of
the
canal
system,
for
example,
the
I
think
boating
center
boat
storage
building,
I
believe,
extends
into
that
blue
line
area
and
has
if
they
were
to
propose
a
new
chain
and
a
new
construction
there.
They
would
need
to
work
through
that
with
the
canal
corporation.
I
B
Lot
of
restrictions
here,
but
most
of
them
are
for
the
most
part
you
know.
Situations
involving
the
city's
agreements
are
on
a
year-to-year
basis.
They
aren't
permanent
necessarily,
but
there's
been
no
reason
to
think
that
the
city
is
is
going
to
discontinue
those
agreements
in
the
short
term.
B
So
that's
the
summary
of
those
agreements
and
if
anybody
has
questions,
I'm
happy
to
answer
questions
about
that.
A
Checking
with
committee
members
any
kind
of
questions
or
clarifications
that
information
in
the
packet
was
super
helpful,
obviously
overlapping
complexities
there,
but
charlotte
yeah.
No
questions
thanks:
okay
and
doug
you're
good,
okay,
okay,
at
our
last
meeting
after
we
heard
the
three
proposals,
we
assembled
a
set
of
questions
for
each
team
to
respond
to,
and
I
want
to
thank
each
of
the
teams
for
providing
us
written
comment
on
that
nels.
I
didn't
know.
A
We
didn't
really
talk
about
this,
so
I
didn't
know
if
you
were
planning
to
kind
of
if
you
wanted
to
do
any
sort
of
summary
or
or
just
kind
of
see
if
there's
any
sort
of
reaction
or
fallout
from
the
community.
B
Yeah,
I
didn't
really
plan
a
summary.
I
mean
they're,
pretty
detailed
responses.
I
think
they
take
quite
a
bit
of
time
to
go
and
to
fairly
treat
them
all
equally,
but
they
did
they
did
all
respond.
You
know
in
some
detail
to
the
questions
that
were
posed
and
clarifications
that
were
requested.
A
Okay,
so
now
I
think
I
will
look
to
the
community
and
say:
do
you
want
to
have
a
opportunity
now,
with
the
each
of
the
teams,
present
clarifications
on
their
clarifications
or
clarifications
on
on
their
original
proposal?
So
I'll
just
open
it
up
to
you
guys
at
this
point
for
any
sort
of
comments
or.
J
No,
I
don't
have
any
questions
at
this
point.
I
mean
I've
gone
through.
I've
gone
through
the
matrix
and
kind
of
done,
my
best
and
we've
summarized
it
in
a
variety
of
different
ways
and
we've
heard
comments.
So
I
think
I'm
prepared
at
this
point,
but
I
don't
know
how
dog
or
you
feel.
K
I
guess
I
would
like
to
pose
sort
of
question
in
here.
All
three
developers
weigh
in-
and
it
really,
I
think,
relates
to.
I
mean
you
all
realize
that
parking
is
a
huge
issue
here
on
this
little
spit
of
land,
as
many
of
the
people
brought
up
again
today.
So
you
know
how
will
the
three
at
this
point,
proposals
really
deal
with
the
ultimate
bolvar
as
well?
K
As
you
know,
the
parking
to
sort
of,
in
my
mind,
trying
to
limit
parking,
creative
ways
to
to
shuttle
people
onto
this
island,
and
so
on.
So-
and
I
guess
I'd
first
like
to
hear
from
finger
lakes
development
on
that.
L
Got
it
so
as
far
as
the
parking
goes,
our
approach
is
multifaceted,
one
of
which
is
by
the
uses
proposed,
which
create
less
demand.
L
The
home
tell
is
less
demand
than,
for
example,
a
hotel
by
by
its
nature,
and
then,
and
likewise,
the
ihs
building
by
its
nature,
creates
less
demand,
and
then
this
the
second
way
we've
done,
that
is
in
the
design.
L
An
expanded
area
in
front
of
the
boatyard
grill,
which
allows
for
the
use
for
for
that
facility
and
then
an
expanded
area
at
the
south
end,
which
is
better
for
facilities
like
the
dock
and
island
health
and
then
with
the
quarter
in
the
middle.
L
Fourth
way,
I
think
I'm
at
is
that
the
businesses
can
work
together
on
a
because,
as
we
have
in
the
past,
so
for
example,
as
I
think
I
mentioned
in
my
one
of
my
answers,
that
should
the
home
tell
have
a
busy
weekend
coming
up
or
should
the
restaurant
have
a
busy
weekend
coming
up,
then
they
could
arrange
possibly
for
valet
storage
for
at
that
particular
time
or
it
could
be
on
friday,
nights
saturday
nights
in
the
in
the
summer.
L
That
sort
of
arrangement
will
help
diminish
it
and
then
likewise,
seasonally
working
with
the
boating,
not
not
at
all
times,
is
all
that
parking
going
to
be
available,
because
there
is
overflow
that
is
needed
to
accommodate
the
equipment
and
stuff.
L
So,
for
example,
the
area
that
is
designated
like
the
dog
park
or
whatever
can
be
flexed,
so
could
the
parking
some
of
the
parking
in
front
of
the
I
m
test,
building
and
even
the
home
tell
building,
and
then
I
think
that
probably
pretty
well
summarizes
the
efforts
that
were
that
were
that
we're
making.
M
M
I
think
that
to
understand
the
needs
of
all
the
businesses,
this
70
of
inland
island,
which
supports
the
use
of
two
private
businesses,
would
be
a
wonder
for
everybody
on
aurora
street,
I'm
sure
mahogany
grill
would
like
to
have
this
real
estate.
I'm
sure
simeons
would
like
to
have
this
real
estate,
but
this
belongs
to
the
city
and
it
belongs
to
everybody,
that's
a
taxpayer,
so
I
think
what
we
ought
to
do
is
evaluate
use
best.
M
Urban
planning
practices
evaluate
the
needs
of
each
and
share
it
as
a
matrix,
not
for
just
two
of
the
existing
businesses
are
there.
If
you
drive
out
on
inlet
island,
it
looks
like
a
junkyard,
and
so
that
doesn't
seem
to
be
an
efficient
use
of
space
right
now,
I'm
not
devaluing
devaluing
the
boatyard
grill,
it's
a
4.5
million
dollar
endeavor
and
I
understand
completely
why
they
want
to
have
a
lot
of
parking.
But
I'm
going
to
let
noah
talk
about
urban
planning
because
he's
really
good
at
it.
N
Well,
thanks
link.
I
just
want
to
reiterate:
let
me
turn
on
my
video
here
or
just
kind
of
echo.
What
steve
actually
said.
I
mean,
I
think,
that
we
all
recognize
that
that
parking
is
the
issue,
and
I
think
that
developing
this,
as
we've
been
saying
all
along
that
we're
trying
to
sort
of
right-size
this
project-
and
you
know
we
have
no
idea
honestly
if
we've
hit
the
right
mark
with
this,
with
the
size
of
what
needs
to
happen.
N
N
So
it's
just
a
really
it's
a
question
of
what
is
the
right
fit
for
this
area
and
in
terms
of
the
parking
you
know,
you
know
what
what
makes
the
most
sense-
and
I
think
we
all
know
that
parking
is
gonna
change
in
the
future.
It's
changing
every
day
in
terms
of
transportation,
modes
of
transit
and
that
sort
of
thing.
N
So
what
we
might
think
of
as
a
real
problem
today
may
not
be
as
much
of
a
problem
in
the
future
and
so
we're
trying
to
develop
a
plan
for
the
future,
and
you
know
one
other
thing
I
just
want.
While
I
have
a
chance
just
to
comment
you
know
on
earlier
at
the
last
meeting
there
was
a
question
about
you
know:
how
does
our
plan
impact
the
boating
center's
ability
to
launch
you
know
and
to
maneuver?
And
you
know
what
we've
developed
is
a
concept
plan
right,
and
so
we
did,
we
don't
have.
N
N
Whatever
sort
of
coordination
needs
to
happen,
you
know
in
the
same
exact
way
that
that
they
do
today
with
the
various
owners
of
the
different
pieces.
I
understand
that
it's
really
easy
because
they're
all
sort
of
partners
and
they
they
can
communicate,
but
I
don't
necessarily
think
that
we
can't
continue
to
communicate
as
well
in
a
similar
fashion.
N
So
anyway,
I
I
I
agree
with
everyone
who's
commented
about.
You
know
the
parking
is
the
big
concern.
I
don't
think
we
have
the
answer.
I
don't
think
anybody
does
necessarily,
but
I
think
we
have
a
willingness
to
kind
of
work
through
it
and
try
to
figure
out
how
to
right-size
the
project.
A
O
O
So
we
propose
the
parking
garage
in
a
way
from
an
urban
design
perspective,
to
put
in
kind
of
like
that,
nook
of
two
elevations
kind
of
hide
it
from
the
landscape
a
little
bit
while
still
making
it
super
easy
to
access
all
the
businesses
on
the
island,
make
it
useful
and
to
shield
it
a
little
bit
from
a
sense
of
oh
there's.
O
This
big
hulking
concrete
parking
garage
on
the
island
by
having
ground
floor
retail
by
increasing
the
opportunity
for
small
businesses
and
entrepreneurship,
to
complement
the
existing
restaurants
and
boat
launches,
and
I
mean
we
didn't
even
propose
touching
the
boat
storage
across
the
street.
So
that's
one
aspect
of
the
parking.
O
The
other
is
expanding
on
street
parking
by
being
more
mindful
about
how
old,
toganic
boulevard
is
designed
as
a
street
not
only
for
driving
and
parking,
but
also
one
fully
meant
for
walking,
cycling
and
riding
transit
because
we're
proposing
an
affordable
housing
project
just
as
a
rule
of
thumb,
nationwide,
low
and
moderate
income
families
own
cars
at
a
lower
rate
than
households
who
pay
market
rate
prices
for
housing,
ithaca's
north
side
neighborhood
according
to
2019
census
estimates
or
american
community
community
survey.
O
Data
estimates
suggest
that
only
about
two-thirds
of
renter
households
in
the
north
side
own
a
car
or
own
one
car.
So
why
should
we
expect
that
car
ownership
on
the
island
will
necessarily
be
higher,
especially
if
we're
also
providing
protected
transportation
by
transit
and
bicycle?
So
to
summarize,
we're
not
reducing
the
the
amount
of
parking.
O
A
Okay,
let
me
laura,
do
you,
wanna?
Is
your
park,
your
question
related
parking
or
related
for
some
something
else.
J
Okay
thanks
chris,
so
I
have
two
questions
and
they're
they're
unrelated,
so
I
guess
I'll
just
ask
them
both
and
then,
if
each,
if
each
group
can
respond
to
both
of
them,
that'd
be
great.
We've
heard
a
lot
of
feedback
from
the
community
about
the
projects
being
potentially
too
big
and
impacting
the
island
in
a
variety
of
different
ways.
J
J
So
would
those
developers
be
willing
to
move
forward
with
the
projects
if
they
didn't
have
those
parts
of
the
project?
So
if
they
only
had
the
housing
part,
if
they
had
it,
but
they
didn't
have
the
hotel,
they
didn't
have
the
stays
program
at
all
or
part
of
the
project
and
then
for
visum
their
project's
quite
a
lot
larger
in
the
total
number
of
housing
units.
So
would
they
be
willing
to
do
the
project
if
it
were
say
half
as
many
housing
units?
J
You
know
they're
more
than
twice
as
many
housing
units
as
each
of
the
other
ones,
and
the
point
about
parking
that
the
the
person
just
made
is
is
a
good
one,
but
at
the
same
time
there's
other
impacts
on
on
the
island.
So
I
guess
so
that's
my
first
question:
would
the
first
two
developers
be
willing
to
do
it
without
a
hotel
without
stays?
J
Would
visum
be
willing
to
do
it
with
half
as
many
units
and
then
the
other
part
of
the
question?
Well,
it's
a
different
question
entirely.
It's
financial
in
our
kind
of
cataloging
of
things
we
had
in
that
spreadsheet.
We
had
other
subsidy
required
and
I
didn't
really
understand
that
row
within
like
what
additional
subsidies
would
be
required
from
the
city
for
the
projects.
I
had
it
tracking
at
alchemy,
with
zero,
with
finger
lakes,
development
with
500
000
and
with
vism
at
2.7
million
plus
housing.
A
Yeah
and
just
to
clarify
those
cities,
may
not
those
subsidies
may
not
always
be
city,
they
could
be
a
variety
of
other
sources,
but
some
of
that
goes
to
affordable
housing
and
I
think
in
fism's
case
it
went
towards
the
parkland,
but
we'll
let
everyone
respond
to
that.
So,
let's
take
the
questions
in
turn.
So
first
there's
the
question
about
sort
of
sizing
and
so
for
alchemy
and
fingerprints
development,
it's
about
the
presence
of
the
hotel
or
not
and
for
visum
it's
about
fewer
units
just
to
mix
it
up.
So
it's
fair.
M
Yeah,
so
I
guess
it's
really
a
philosophy.
The
hotel
is
important
to
us
because
it's
an
economic
engine
for
the
inland
island
development,
the
boatyard
facility,
generates
its
own
economic
engine
and
feeds
itself.
The
boatyard
grill
does
the
same.
It
feeds
its
own
economic
engine,
a
hotel
feeds
every
restaurant
in
ithaca,
every
marine
business,
every
winery,
every
small
business
significance,
the
idea
of
a
destination
visitor
experience.
M
We
have,
as
you
know,
there's
about
450
million
dollars
worth
of
waterfront
development
going
on
from
market
rate,
and
now
we
see
some
subsidized
housing.
I
think
we
have
a
lot
of
housing
being
proposed
and
I
want
to
quote
a
great
american
named
mark
campanola.
We
don't
need
more
housing.
We
need
people
that
are
going
to
come
to
my
restaurant,
and
so
that's
what
a
visitor
destination
does.
I
guess
I'm
not
as
incentivized,
but
I
believe
that
we're
we're
moving
in
the
right
direction.
M
What
we
see
on
inlet
island
now
is
not
a
benefit
to
the
community.
So
there's
my
answer
to
that.
First
question:.
L
So
the
short
answer
to
the
question
is:
yes,
we
would
glad
to
be
flexible
and
downsized,
my
concern
and
what's
driving
this
is:
how
do
we
pay
for
the
environmental
cleanup,
and
so
that's
the
the
demands,
as
I
said
in
my
response
actually
to
george
mcgonigle's
letter.
What's
what's
driving
the
size?
Is
the
demands
for
to
meet
not
only
parking
but
the
environmental
cleanup,
fair
market
value?
L
All
of
that
and
what
that
creates
is
larger
projects
in
order
to
make
it
financially
feasible,
and
so,
if
we
can
make
it
financially
feasible
and
and
it
can
stand
on
the
shoulders
of
inhs
happy
to
do
it
and
if
the
city
can
do
the
cleanup
on
the
city's
nickel,
that's
that's
fine
too.
So
the
short
answer
is
yes,
and
then
part
of
our
comprehensive
proposal
is
looking
at
the
waterfront,
and
this
isn't
immediately
this
property.
But
there
is
opportunity,
for
example,
to
put
the
hotel
over
on
the
agora
site.
A
Thanks
very
much
okay,
patrick
the
question
to
you
was:
would
you
be
willing
to
entertain
fewer
housing
units.
O
Because
our
proposal
is
super
malleable.
Yes,
I
think
for
the
litec
pro
program,
nine
percent,
low
income,
housing
tax
credits
to
work
well,
we
need
to
be
somewhere
in
the
70
to
80
unit
range
at
the
minimum
and
that's
just
kind
of
a
rule
of
thumb
in
the
affordable
housing
world
in
general,
and
I
think
I
can
use
this
also
as
an
opportunity
to
explain
why
vision
is
proposing,
affordable
housing.
O
Now
that
we
have
an
opportunity
to
do
something
with
publicly
owned
land
to
address
a
major
public
issue,
we
thought
this
is
kind
of
the
right
moment,
especially
because
waterfront
housing
is
already
happening
in
ithaca.
There's
plenty
of
mark
new
market
housing
going
on
up
near
stewart
park.
Forgive
me.
I've
forgotten
the
name
of
the
project,
but
there's
the
five-story
housing,
two
five-story
housing
buildings
market
rate
going
up
gosh.
What's
the
name
of
that
street,
we're
near
where
the
tcat
station
is
yeah.
O
Thank
you,
so
city
harbor
is
a
precedent
for
five-story
waterfront
housing
in
ithaca,
so
the
question
then
becomes
should
the
city,
or
rather,
why
should
the
city
not
support
the
creation
of
a
socially
socio-economically
inclusive
waterfront,
especially
when,
where
right
now,
the
public
policy
is
essentially
saying
because
new
housing
is
so
difficult
to
build
in
ithaca.
Our
expectation
is
that
working
class
families
must
commute
20
to
30
minutes
into
the
city,
consequently
spend
less
time
with
their
families
and
more
money
and
driving,
which
is
pumping
more
carbon
into
our
atmosphere.
O
So
that's
kind
of
the
perspective
we're
coming
from
and
the
more
units
that
we
can
provide
to
deserving.
Families
who
want
to
be
in
ithaca
are
probably
already
working
in
ithaca.
The
better
public
policy
outcome
we'll
have.
A
O
Absolutely
so
from
the
federal
level
administered
by
the
state,
it
would
be
low
income,
housing,
tax
credits.
It's
an
irs
program
that
state
housing
finance
agencies
implement
for
the
public
park.
New
york
state
has
a
parks,
development
program
that
has
an
open
application
currently
through
the
consolidated
funding
application
that
requires
public
ownership
to
make
sure
the
park
stays
in
public
ownership
in
perpetuity,
and
we
estimate
it
and
again
early
estimates,
2.7
million
dollars
for
the
parking
garage.
O
We
were
initially
modeling
it
as
privately
constructed
and
then
given
to
the
public
for
operation
and,
just
like
all
other
publicly
owned
and
operated
parking
garages
in
the
city.
We
wouldn't
expect
this
parking
to
be
free
and
we
estimate
that
there's
a
good
likelihood
that
the
operations
and
the
revenue
could
actually
break
even
for
this
parking
garage
and
then
the
other
public
contributions
we
would
like
to
see
as
part
of
the
plan
are
for
the
complete
streets,
makeover
of
tiganic
boulevard
and
a
new
staircase
connecting
to
organic
boulevard
down
to
the
kyugo
waterfront
trail.
O
I
don't
know
if
those
would
be
considered
subsidies
per
se.
The
on
the
private
side
I
mean,
theoretically,
the
project
would
go
forward
with
tiganic
boulevard
being
an
incomplete
street,
that's
uncomfortable
to
walk
on,
but
we
propose
that
the
city
produce
estimates,
perhaps
jointly
with
the
the
private
sector
as
part
of
the
annual
public
works
work
plan
and
a
bond
issue
might
be
required
for
that.
A
P
Sure
so,
in
our
response,
we
listed
two
public
subsidies,
two
hundred
thousand
dollars
from
the
city's
annual
home
allocation.
That's
money
that
comes
from
the
federal
government
to
the
city
and
the
city
has
an
annual
application
process
every
year
and
three
hundred
thousand
dollars
from
the
tompkins
county
community
development
fund,
which
is
the
fund
that
the
city
supports,
as
well
as
the
county
and
cornell.
A
Great
thank
you
and
link
just
confirming
that
you're
not
requesting
any
subsidies
for
any
items.
I
A
Yep,
thank
you
very
much.
Okay,
charles
charlotte,
any
follow
up
on
any
of
those
questions.
No,
that
was
great
thanks,
okay,
laura
and
then
george.
I
think.
I
Thanks
chris
and
thanks
to
everyone
for
all
these
detailed,
the
detailed
information
that
has
already
been
provided.
I
know
this
is
rfei,
it's
not
an
rfp,
but
still
I
have
some
of
the
questions.
I
I
I
Yeah
yeah,
because
there
are
some
assumptions
being
made
about
the
subsidy,
as
has
already
been
discussed,
but
also
on
the
ownership
and
management
of
especially
the
affordable
housing.
A
Right
so
just
clarifying
ownership
and
management
of
housing,
especially
the
affordable
part.
So
why
don't
we
just
give
everyone
a
chance
to
just
talk
about
how
housing
will
be
owned
and
managed
just
kind
of
mixed
up?
Why
don't
we
go
back
to
steve
in
finland's
development
or
joe
from
inhs
and
then
waterfront
alchemy
and
then
visit.
P
A
Right,
thank
you
link
over
to
you.
M
Yeah,
the
missing
middle,
the
housing
component
would
be
owned
by
strategic
elements:
development
company,
a
group
of
partners
locally-
all
local
and
managed
locally.
O
Yep,
it
would
be
owned
and
managed
in
part
by
visum,
and
because
we
want
to
collaborate
with
a
non-profit
developer
to
be
determined
who
exactly
that
would
be,
but
we
would
seek
one
out.
They
would
also
have
a
stake
in
ownership
and
management
for
reference
right
now.
Vism
is
partnering
with
providence
housing
out
of
rochester
for
our
510
west
state
mlk
project
in
downtown.
A
Thank
you,
george.
You.
Q
Q
I
I'm
not
going
to
repeat
my
letter
that
I
wrote
I'll
just
say
that
I
think
marine
uses
are
very
important
for
inlet
island.
Q
I'd
like
to
remind
everybody
that
johnson's
boat
yard
no
longer
exists
and
housing
has
taken
over
that
part
of
the
waterfront
and
there's
going
to
be
a
lot
of
housing
on
cherry
street.
Vism
owns
a
lot
of
property
on
cherry
street
that
they
can
develop,
but
my
question
is
both
to
the
developers
and
antonelles.
Really
I'm
wondering
if
we're
asking
this
property
to
be
too
many
things
to
too
many
people,
I'm
wondering
if
that
is
driving
the
size
of
these
proposals.
Q
I
just
in
my
opinion
all
three
of
these
proposals
are
too
large.
They,
the
the
island,
can't
carry
that
much.
So
I'm
I'm
wondering
if,
if
we're
just
asking
too
much
and
then
my
final
question
is
sort
of
related
to
parking,
but
it's
about
traffic.
Q
As
mark
campanolo
pointed
out,
the
intersection
of
buffalo
street
and
toganic
boulevard
is
probably
the
busiest
worst
intersection
in
town
and
that
plus
large
numbers
of
cars
trying
to
get
out
of
the
dead
end
part
of
gigantic
boulevard
onto
route.
89
sounds
very
problematic
and
I
don't
care
how
many
people
ride
their
bikes
down
there.
A
Right
so
just
to
clarify
george,
the
first
question
is
to
each
of
the
developers:
do
they
think
we're
asking
for
too
many
things
for
too
many
people
and
how
would
they
maybe
respond
and
modify
their
proposal
around
that,
and
the
second
is
any
specific
actions
that
they
might
have
to
deal
with
or
mitigate
traffic.
Is
that
right.
Q
Yes
and
one
final
thing
to
steve,
flash
in
particular,
but
also
to
the
others,
if
they
want
to
answer,
would
they
be
interested
in
sharing
the
cost
of
cleaning
up
the
site
with
the
city.
A
Okay,
so
three
questions
there.
So
are
we
asking
for
too
many
things
for
too
many
people
traffic
and
any
proposals
for
mitigation
and
interest
in
sharing
the
cost
of
site
cleanup?
Patrick?
I
think
you
went
last
in
the
last
one.
So
let's
send
it
to
you.
First.
O
Sure
I
might
need
help
remembering
the
three
questions,
but
too
many
things
for
too
many
people.
So
I
I
hear
you
george
in
terms
of
whether
we're
putting
trying
to
put
so
much
on
one
site.
I
think
one
thing
that's
driving.
O
That
is
because
the
zoning
is
for
five
stories,
so
that
kind
of
sets
the
tone
from
the
city
of
like
this
is
the
expectation
of
what
we
want
there,
but
conceivably,
for
instance
with
say
if
our
visits
proposal,
weren't
120
units
of
housing
but
say
70
to
80
units
of
housing,
and
we
expand
the
tiganic
main
street
element
to
be
more
marine
oriented,
for
instance,
maybe
creating
a
little.
I
don't
know
fishing
village
sort
of
thing
instead
of
having
it
face
old
tiganic.
O
Those
are
all
totally
possible
directions
that
could
reduce
the
height
scale
of
the
project
proposals
and
maybe
make
the
vision
a
little
bit
more
targeted
toward
making
it
more
complimentary
to
what's
on
the
island
and
also
meeting
pressing
public
needs.
So
there's
one
second
question
about
traffic.
Is
that
right
without
the
third
question?
I
need
your
help.
Chris.
O
Sure
for
traffic,
I
think
that's
one
of
the
great
things
about
our
proposal
of
putting
the
parking
garage
right
at
the
start
of
ultaganic,
rather
than
encouraging
people
to
go
all
the
way
into
the
the
end.
The
cul-de-sac,
one
of
the
best
parking
garages
that
I've
ever
seen
in
my
life
or
very
urban
planet
thing
to
say,
was
in
west
virginia
because
of
the
tight
topography
in
that
state.
O
I
don't
recall
which
city
it
was,
unfortunately,
but
the
highway
exit
led
people
straight
into
a
parking
garage
so
that
the
rest
of
the
downtown
could
essentially
be
this
magnificently,
dense
urban
fabric
with
very
little
surface
parking.
So
that's
kind
of
what
I
can
see
this
being
in
my
inlet
island
having
the
parking
kind
right
at
the
destination.
So
the
rest
of
the
island
is
a
little
bit
more
flexible
in
terms
of
land
area
for
commercial
or
residential
use,
and
for
cleanup
costs.
O
Visum
would
be
eager
to
apply
to
the
state
brownfield
cleanup
program
if
early
environmental
studies
show
that
the
site
is
contaminated
enough
to
warrant
that,
because
the
state
is
very
generous
with
pretty
much
giving
cash
to
developers
who
are
willing
to
bear
the
upfront
cost
of
cleanup
and
then
all
that
gets
kind
of
reimbursed
once
a
project
is
actually
built
on
site.
So
it
encourages
carry-through
of
a
vision.
A
M
Yeah,
I
think,
with
our
proposal,
what
we
were
trying
to
do
is
dedicate
it
to
the
visitor
experience
and
economic
engine.
We,
you
know
as
far
as
size
of
the
hotel
is
concerned.
Is
it
a
driver?
There
is
a
certain
affordability
factor.
You
know
the
one
thing
that
is
interesting
about
in
that
island,
as
well
as
the
waterfront
is.
This
is
an
expensive
place
to
build
the
the
bearing
structure
for
buildings
in
this
location
is
90
feet
down,
there's
a
gravel
layer
that
makes
it
very
challenging
without
having
financial
anchors.
M
M
M
The
direction
that
the
this
group
decides
to
go,
I
think
that
the
proposals
are
going
to
be
refined
and
we're
going
to
end
up
with
the
right
solution.
I
think
this
conversation
is
from
my
point
of
view,
as
a
developer
and
with
properties
on
inlet
island.
We've
already
won
we're
talking
about
an
underutilized
asset
that
needs
to
be
revitalized
and
work
for
the
taxpayer
in
the
community.
Not
just
a
select
group
of
people.
N
The
building
inside
the
city
is
going
to
have
less
of
a
traffic
impact
than
building
outside
the
city,
because
a
lot
of
that
traffic
that
we're
dealing
with
are
people
such
as
myself,
who
live
in
trumansburg
coming
into
into
the
city
and
so
the
more
units
we
can
build
in
the
city,
the
better
off
we're
going
to
be
I'll.
Just
keep
it
at
that.
N
Yeah
and
I
mean
so,
for
example,
the
the
number
of
units
that
we're
proposing
or
any
of
these
projects
are
proposing
if
they
were
built
out
96
out
towards
you
know,
on
west
hill
anywhere
distributed
as
single-family
homes
or
in
any
configuration
they
would
have
a
greater
traffic
impact
than
this
project
built
in
this
location.
And
that's
that's
just
like
an
urban
planning.
That's
just
a
fact.
Is
it
too
much?
I
that's
a
that's
a
different
question.
You
know,
should
we
be
building
less?
L
So,
with
the
respect.
A
L
Too
many
things
for
too
many
people,
yes,
in
order
to
provide
all
the
housing
and
the
environmental
cleanup
and,
and
also
most
importantly,
allow
the
very
strong
businesses
to
continue
to
thrive
and
pay
the
taxes,
and
so
on
so
forth
that
they
currently
are
you
need.
You
know
you
have
to
be
able
to
to
do
a
project
that
that
isn't
as
parking
intensive,
and
so
we
believe
that
that's
what
ours
is
done.
L
However,
it
still
in
many
ways
is
too
much,
and
so
what
we
can
bring
is
the
flexibility
in
answer
to
your
other
question:
either
decrease
the
size
of
both
buildings
do
one
and
not
the
other,
then
I
mean
it's
kind
of
connected
to
whether
you
know
the
george's
question
as
to
whether
or
not
we
would
share
in
the
cost
of
the
cleanup.
L
Well,
yes,
absolutely
our
proposal
and
based
upon
my
experience,
having
done
the
environmental
cleanup
under
the
boatyard
grill,
it
is
much
quicker
and
more
efficient
if
a
private
entity
can
do
it
rather
than
the
city
and
in
fact
the
brownfield
cleanup
program
isn't
isn't
what
it
used
to
be,
and
there
are
more
efficient
ways
to
do
the
cleanup
given
the
nature
of
this
of
the
contamination,
and
so,
let's
see
as
far
as
the
traffic
again,
our
uses,
our
contemplated
uses
are
less
traffic,
creating
certainly
than
you
know,
a
2.5
million
grossing
restaurant.
L
That's
what
two-thirds
inside
of
the
boatyard
grill,
plus
a
110-120
room,
hotel
or
a
lot
of
housing
that
fills
up
the
parking
garage
and
yes
and
then
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
the
park
space
is
gonna,
simply
create
more
parking
more
traffic
in
the
area.
We
have
the
flexibility
to
at
least
consider
trying
to
expand
parking
away
on
the
other
side
of
the
inlet
on
the
agora
side.
L
If
you
can
increase
access
there,
then
you
decrease
pressure
on
the
two
intersections
that
george
is
talking
about,
and
while
it
may
be
zoned
five
stories,
I
don't
believe
it
has
to
be
to
five
stories
and
to
say
that
if
you
build
less
parking,
then
more
people
will
use
alternate
means
of
transportation
or
walking.
L
You
know
this
is
an
island.
People
are
gonna,
be
going
to
restaurants
and
hotels,
the
and
we're
happy
to
have
them
walk,
but
the
quantity
of
business
is
not
gonna,
you
know
and
then
shopping,
who
also
would
bring
more
retail
will
also
increase
the
traffic
so
and
as
far
as
the
cost
of
the
cleanup
again,
I'm
happy
to
happen
to
share
the
cost.
On
that
the
city
processes
I
mean
it
lengthens
the
whole
process
so
for
sure
you're
happy
to
work
in
the
city
on
it.
A
B
Yeah,
I
think
I
think
some
of
the
developers
are
reading
into
it,
that
the
city
is
demanding
a
certain
density
and,
to
some
degree
we
are
asking
for
the
best
project
to
come
forward
that
will
gain
support
by
the
ethical
urban
renewal
agency
and
the
common
council,
and
I
realize
that
various
members
of
those
bodies
are
going
to
view
it
differently
and
that's
one
of
the
challenges,
of
course,
of
trying
to
read
what
is
going
to,
you
know
be
viewed
most
favorably.
B
I
go
back
to
a
couple
of
issues
here.
One
is
that
the
waterfront
plan
was
developed
by
the
city.
Recently,
you
know
as
part
of
the
comprehensive
plan
they
had
streams
running
through
it
of
equity
and
sustainability,
as
well
as
specific
goals
for
the
island,
which
included
well,
not
just
the
island,
the
waterfront
zone.
B
So
the
city
has
land
that
I
think
many
people
would
recognize,
as
is
somewhat
underutilized
on
inlet
island,
and
this
is
an
opportunity
for
the
city
to
try
to
fill
in
where
the
private
market's
not
providing,
maybe
the
goals
the
city
wants
or
to
influence
that
decision
somehow
to
blend
in
some
public
policy
goals
with
what's
feasible.
Financially.
B
So
I
think
I
think,
there's
a
very
you
know
it
can
be
a
dynamic
discussion
about
what
is
the
appropriate
density
and
mix
and
amount
of
projects.
But
I
think
that's
a
healthy
discussion
here,
because
I
think
the
island
does
have
an
underutilized
component
to
it,
of
as
surface
parking
has
ever
really
been
meeting
the
city's
goal
for
a
highest
and
best
use
by
itself,
recognizing
that
it
has
been
important
and
will
remain
important
for
the
foreseeable
future
for
feasibility.
B
B
Maybe
two
and
a
half
stories
I
think
steve
flash
is
able
to
get
three
stories
in
on
the
waterfront
or
going
a
little
bit
higher
to
the
five
stories
and
that's
just
a
function
of
the
financial
feasibility
to
try
to
make
a
project
work.
When
you
have
the
extra
foundation
cost
associated,
it
really
does
direct,
what's
going
to
be
financially
feasible
to
either
go
lower
or
go
for
more
of
a
five-story
footprint,
or
at
least
a
smaller
footprint
than
a
spread
kind
of
footprint
for
projects.
B
So
I
think
those
are
all
considerations,
but
I
think
we're
trying
to
thread
the
needle
and
advance
the
comprehensive
plan
as
it
applies
to
some
city
and
it's
like
urban
renewal
agency
properties
on
the
island.
A
Well
done
nice!
Thank
you!
So
I'm
looking
at
we're
4
45.
Now
I
want
to
check
either.
Do
any
of
the
committee
members
charlotte
or
doug
have
any
sort
of
follow-up
questions
and
then
there's
a
couple
of
agency
members
and
a
common
counselor
we
haven't
heard
from
so
I
want
to
see
if
carl,
tracy
or
donna
have
anything
to
question
and
then
one
for
two
of
the
questions
just
to
give
the
development
teams
a
heads
up.
A
But
if
there's
something
new
or
interesting
that
you've
thought
about,
I
want
to
give
you
an
opportunity
to
finish
and
close
that
out,
but
it
looks
like
doug
and
charlotte
both
unmuted,
so
checking
both
of
you.
First
carl,
you
want
to
go
first,
yeah,
I'm
fine!
I'm
good
charlotte's,
fine,
doug.
K
Yes,
I
have
questions,
I
think:
finger
lakes,
development,
kind
of
multi-part
question
about
boat
storage,
so
how
many
boats
are
stored
there
now,
how
many
boats
expected
to
be
stored
there
in
the
future?
K
L
Okay,
so
a
lot
of
questions
so,
first
of
all,
the
the
prognosis
is
actually
very
good.
Things
are
doing.
Well,
it
isn't
all
just
large
boats
what
we're
seeing
is
trending
towards
smaller
boats,
smaller
sailboats,
that
still
need
to
be
hauled
out,
for
example,
because
of
you
know,
they
have
kills
that
you
can't
just
trailer
out
as
far
as
places
to
store
and
the
numbers
we
store
in
the
winter
time
approximately
250
to
270
boats.
L
We
have
three
different
storage
areas.
L
One
is
tremen
marina
for
the
winter
at
which
we
can
store,
probably
150
or
so,
and
as
the
size
comes
down,
our
ability
to
expand
there
increases
and
then
we
store
a
number
right
now
in
the
city
on
what's
called
the
agway
lot,
and
we
are
currently
decreasing
that
footprint
on
a
number
of
different
ways.
L
L
I
hope
my
numbers
have
totaled
up
about
right
and
so
the
ability-
I
think,
I'm
not
sure,
but
I
think
you
asked
this
program.
L
What
happens
is
the
the
the
crunch
time
is
in
the
seasonal
in
the
seasonal,
the
change
of
seasons,
the
launch
launching
in
the
spring
and
and
hauling
in
the
fall
and
and
the
equipment,
and
what
our
proposal
does
is
to
try
to
expand
the
space
that
we
can
do
that
in
cooperation
with
the
other
businesses,
while
at
the
same
time
shrinking
our
winter
footprint
on
toganic
boulevard
itself,
and
I
think
we
can.
I
think
we
can
do
it
it's
going
to
be.
L
You
know
it's
a
struggle,
it's
not
easy,
but
we
are
in
the
process
of
doing
that.
K
Well,
yes,
maybe
one
follow-up!
So
what
what
kind
of
improvements
do
you
actually
see
going
on
to
that
ibc
facility
as
part
of
this
development.
L
Well,
one
of
the
one
I
think
the
coolest
one
is
the
possibility
of
having
the
capital
investment
from
this
day's
hotel
to
have
solar
panels
essentially
replace
that
roof
and
it
becomes
a
solar
farm
which
would
be,
I
think,
kind
of
exciting
and
and
it
would
be
good.
L
So
that's,
obviously
one
re-roofing
opening
up
a
little
bit
at
the
north
end
to
give
a
little
more
visual
access
is
another
and
the
way
we've
designed
it
with
the
boulevard.
It
gives
a
little
more
freedom
and
space
for
boats
to
operate
without
impinging
upon
other
traffic,
the
you
know,
pedestrian
or
vehicle,
and
so
that
will
allow
that
to
be
kind
of
cleaned
up.
L
But
you
know
boatyards
are
toyota
boyards,
it's
it's
in
fact
it
it's
the
vibe
that
we're
trying
to
create
and
been
thriving
after
the
last
20
years,
and
it's
it's
kind
of
you
know
it's
a
working
waterfront
we're
trying
to
keep.
You
know
people
working
down
there
and
keep
people
having
access
to
to
the
water,
and
that's
that's
where
we're
that's.
What
we're
doing.
A
G
Yeah,
I'm
a
little
bit
behind,
because
I
haven't
watched
the
original
presentation,
so
I
plan
to
go
back
and
do
that,
but
I
would
like
to
ask
what
the
kind
of
question
that's
often
not
considered
nice
to
ask,
and-
and
that
is
what
do
each
of
these
three
proposals
offer
to
people
who
already
live
here.
What
about
these
three
proposals
makes
this
area
more
attractive
to
those
of
us
who
already
live
in
ithaca
and
would
like
to
make
better
use
of
this
area.
G
Clearly,
a
hotel
doesn't
mean
anything
to
me,
nor
does
an
apartment
building
mean
anything
to
me
so
I'd
like
to
and
and
I
don't
want
to
hear
about-
increasing
the
tax
base.
So
that's
what
I
would
like
to
hear
about
these
three
proposals.
M
As
you
know,
part
of
our
proposal
involves
explorer
ithaca
and
paddle
dockers.
Jody
denman
has
a
110
vote.
Maybe
that
is
for
the
rental,
for
we
are
our
largest
customer
base.
Is
the
ithaca
community
jody
rents
kayaks
canoes
every
time
a
paddle
craft
you
can
think
of
jody
also
has
the
the
the
water
taxis
which,
by
the
way,
you
asked
a
question
about
these
are
electric.
They
are
not
gas
powered,
not
diesel-powered.
M
They
travel
like
a
hybrid
on
seven
hours
of
charge.
I
believe
that
is
a
vessel
of
the
future.
We
can't
travel
north
america
with
them,
but
they
are
something
that
the
community
seems
to
be
using
and
embracing,
but
I
think
it
is
the
rental
marina
there
that
really
offers
something
for
ithacans.
It's
it's
very
popular.
I
think
people
have
seen
during
the
summer
jody
paints,
the
waterway
green
purple
black.
With
all
these
plastic
people
enjoying
ethics,
waterfront.
N
Can
I
also
just
add
you
know
one
of
the
things
that
is
really
exciting
about
this
project.
For
me
personally,
as
a
nearly
lifelong
ithacan
is
that
I
think
it's
very
similar
to
what
we've
witnessed
with
the
cayuga
waterfront
trail
and
the
d.o.t
site
in
particular.
So
that's
a
that's
an
area
of
the
city
that,
as
a
local
person,
I've
never
stepped
foot
on
right.
I
never
actually
experienced
the
waterfront
from
that
perspective
around
the
d.o.t
site
and
I
think
the
inlet
island
is
actually
somewhat
similar.
N
It
becomes
a
destination
not
just
for
visitors,
but
for
anybody
to
actually
take
part
on
this
waterfront
and
stand
in
a
place
that
maybe
they've
never
stood
before,
and
you
know
I
think
the
overall
development
is
going
to
have
things
like
a
playground.
You
know
it's
it's
a
family
destination.
The
hotel
itself
is
going
to
have
food
and
beverage,
that's
not
unlike
food
and
beverage
in
the
hotels
downtown.
You
know
which
serve
locals
just
as
much
as
they
serve
people
visiting
from
out
of
town.
N
So
I
think,
as
a
local
person
all
of
this
works-
and
you
know
it's
not
just
about
it.
It
is
about
the
tourism
and
the
the
visitor
experience
and
the
tax
base
and
all
the
benefits
that
come
with
this
kind
of
economic
generation,
but
certainly
the
entire
kind
of
approach
to
this
project
is
to
make
it
feel
local
to
make
it
feel
like
an
ithaca-based
project.
Much
in
the
spirit
of
everything
that
george
has
been
talking
about,
you
know
with
the
smaller
boutique
shops
and
that
sort
of
thing
so
I'll
leave
it
at
that.
A
O
Yeah,
I
think
the
three
biggest
things
that'll
be
massive
and
pretty
great
benefits
to
locals,
with
a
massive
waterfront
park
that
we're
proposing
the
opportunities
for
new
entrepreneurial,
small
business
spaces
and
housing
for
people
who
are
already
in
ithaca
in
housing
that
doesn't
suit
their
needs.
So
the
park,
I
think,
we're
estimating
around
one
and
three
quarters
acres.
O
If
we
do
the
footprints
of
three
apartment
buildings,
plus
a
parking
garage
and
ground
floor
retail,
that's
a
massive
amount
of
waterfront
land
that
again,
there's
state
support
for
that
can
help
to
round
out
that
side
of
the
cuba.
Waterfront
trail.
That
right
now
is
totally
underdeveloped,
and
I
say
the
word
developed
in
the
sense
of
fleshed
out
given
a
sense
of
shape
of
design
and
destination.
O
It
can
be
designed,
depending
on
how
you
organize
the
buildings
and
how
we're
proposing
it
as
a
gathering
space,
a
place
where
it's
easy
after
school
or
work
to
go
for
a
stroll
with
the
family
to
meet
up
friends
to
meet
up
with
a
jogging
club
or
a
biking
club
on
the
weekends
or
in
the
early
mornings
to
just
be
outside
for
people
of
all
ages
and
backgrounds.
To
have
a
common
waterfront
front
lawn.
O
That's
a
bit
different
than
what
stewart
park
offers,
for
instance,
since
it's
a
bit
more
disconnected
from
the
residential
parts
of
the
cities,
the
waterfront
entrepreneurship
that
would
be
in
the
small
retail
spaces
that
we're
posing
in
the
housing.
I'll
reiterate
that
our
intent
with
the
affordable
housing
isn't
to
attract
a
massive
in-migration
to
ithaca
it's
to
meet
a
need
that
the
city
has
known
for
decades
exists
in
our
community.
O
Today
there
are
people
who
are
maybe
doubling
up
with
other
families
where
they
don't
want
to,
but
it's
the
only
housing
option,
that's
available
or
they're
living
in
housing
conditions
that
are
subpar,
maybe
with
people
that
they
don't
want
to
be
living
with.
And
it's
unsafe
for
them
to
stay
living
with
them.
O
What
we're
proposing
not
only
aligns
with
the
comprehensive
plan
that
the
city
as
a
community
has
deliberated
over
and
through
common
council,
adopted
as
the
vision
of
the
city,
but
really
we're
creating
a
place.
That's
number
one
for
people
who
live
here
or
who
are
already
in
our
city
who
wish
they
could
maybe
live
within
city
limits,
but
that
right
now
the
city's
saying
sorry,
not
enough
housing.
You
can
go
elsewhere.
So.
L
So
three
things
one
is
our
design
of
the
waterfront
trail
that
will
bring
people
around
the
western
side
of
the
island
up
north
and
then,
as
it
comes
south
around
the
restaurant,
it
actually
cuts
over
on
a
boulevard,
pulling
people
and
then
head
south
along
the
sidewalk
that
will
pull
people
away
from
the
marina
operations
and
also
give
greater
access
to
that
trail.
And
on
that
trail,
at
the
north
point,
we
will
put
a
a
dock
which
we'll
we'll
do.
L
The
dock
would
be
a
floating
dock
for
kayaks
and
and
access
public
access
and
as
well
as
large
boats.
You
know
coming
from
wherever
farmers
market,
whatever
go
around
the
island
and
then
and
also
our
design
along
that
trail
on
the
western
side,
there's
no
space
there,
utilizing
that
25
foot,
easement
plus
some
other
kind
of
park
space
on
the
inside
of
that
for
food
trucks
and
and-
and
you
know
that
sort
of
thing.
L
Secondly,
the
home
tell
is
less
expensive
than
a
hotel
and
offers
people
what
could
be
locals
wanting
a
staycation
closer
to
the
water
closer
to
where
you
know
final
exploding
center,
where
we
already
went
pontoon
boats
or
running
a
kayak,
whatever
you
know,
gives
them
kind
of
a
getaway,
but
still
in
town,
for
certainly
less
than
would
be
for
a
hotel.
I
L
So
you
can
have
your
own
or
if
you're,
in
transition
between
houses,
that
sort
of
thing
and
then
I
actually,
I
think,
that's
well.
I
combined
a
couple.
So
that's
basically
those
two
things.
A
Q
Yeah
very
quick
question
for
all
three
developers:
how
does
your
development
intersect
with
the
coast
guard
auxiliary.
L
So
I've
actually
spoken
to
the
coast
guard
auxiliary
and
they
understand
that
change
is
coming
and
what
I've
offered
them
is
to.
We
intend
to
acquire
the
building
itself
and
have
them.
We
recognize
that
access
or
that
they
are
truly
not
a
not-for-profit
or
a
non-profit
and
would
combine.
L
They
would
be
able
to
combine
to
provide
continue
to
provide
their
safety
classes,
and
hopefully,
a
cooperative
manner
in
that
in
that
facility
and
their
program,
as
well
as
on
the
dock
itself,
which
would
be
a
public
doc
which
actually
gets
back
to
the
to
the
previous
question.
You
know
again
increasing
the
idea
of
access,
but
you
know
to
make
that
their
program
their
boats
there.
L
We
would
do
that,
so
I've
actually
been
in
conversation
with
them
and
we
hope
to
be
able
to
continue
to
operate
that
that,
as
I
said,
that
would
still
be
a
a
building
that
we
would
purchase
and
so
would
be
in
conjunction
with
other
marine
interests,
which
would
therefore
expand
both
their
exposure
and
the
safety
on
the
water,
as
well
as
the
whole
idea
of
safe
marine
access.
O
From
the
start,
we've
wanted
to
retain
the
coast
guard
auxiliary
directly
on
the
site,
whether
that's
keeping
their
building
there
or
incorporating
them
in
the
ground
floor
of
one
of
our
new
buildings.
M
It's
an
interesting
scenario
when
power
boats
share
a
waterway,
a
nab
channel
with
a
non-power
boat,
and
there
is
a
lot
of
opportunity
to
make
this
a
unique
educational
waterway
that
is
safe
for
all
boaters,
but
we
think
the
coast
guard
auxiliary
is
deserves.
A
more
modern
facility
deserves
modern
docks
that
float
and
we
hope
that
their
mission
will
be
expanded
by
working
with
us.
A
Thanks
very
much
okay,
so
I
promised
each
the
dilemma:
teens
one
more
like
final
word,
essentially
on
anything
new
or
interesting
that
has
occurred
to
you,
I'm
just
going
to
go
in
the
order.
That's
on
the
scoring
sheet,
it'll
be
waterfront,
alchemy,
fingers,
development
and
then
visum
so
link.
You
have
the
mic.
M
Yeah
I've
been
listening
to
a
few
things
to
talk
about
the
marina
functions
my
family
used
to
restore
and
build
boats.
We
use
the
facility
at
what
is
city
harbor
right
now,
city
harbor
used
to
be
a
marine
operation
that
was
lined
by
metal
buildings.
Much
like
inlet
island
is
today
there
are
new
110
boat
slips.
The
boats
have
not
disappeared,
they
are
still
there.
Those
boats
are
hauled
and
maintained
off-site
on
two
facilities:
moore's
marine
and
mike
bowen's
marine
on
route
96..
M
It
is
still
a
active,
viable
marina.
When
I
was
still
with
that
development
group,
we
also
upgraded
the
marine
fueling
station,
so
we're
the
only
we're
the
only
fuel
depot
on
the
south
end
of
the
lake
marinas
are
not
dying,
they're
reinventing
themselves
and
for
a
marina
to
be
successful,
it
must
reinvent
itself
and
become
an
efficiency.
M
Real
estate
is
a
premium
explorer.
Ithaca
has
just
expanded
its
off-site
marine
facilities
for
its
power
boat
and
it
is
15
miles
from
ithaca,
but
is
handling
service,
shrink,
wrapping
and
a
real
estate
environment.
That
is
not
in
competition
with
future
development
and
more
to
come
with
that.
L
L
The
marina
facility,
the
waterfront
facility
in
our
project,
allows
what
is
the
last
and
only
facility
where
you
can
haul
out
boats
to
continue
to
operate
and
to
provide
access,
which
we
look
to
expand
actually
to
folks
who
want
to
get
out
on
the
water,
as
well
as
the
marine
services.
Business
we've
already
expanded
and
offered
bait
shops
and
pontoon
rentals
and
the
like,
and
so
this
is
all
part
and
parcel
of
a
comprehensive
waterfront
development.
L
Ours,
additionally,
is
can
be
very
flexible
in
terms
of
what
we
can
offer,
whether
or
not
it's
downsizing
or
location
you
know
is.
Is
we
are
in
a
position
to
be
able
to
offer
that,
as
well
as
the
coordination
among
the
businesses
for
the
continued
viability
of
the
exi
and
growth
of
the
existing
businesses,
while
at
the
same
time,
organizing
and
cleaning
up
the
the
inward
island?
O
We
have
the
room
to
take
away
and
add
residential
or
businesses
to
reposition
freely
on
the
site
plan,
because
our
main
goal
is
really
to
provide
that
public
park
that
gathering
space
for
all
ithacans
of
all
ages
and
backgrounds
and
aspirations,
and
ultimately,
visum's
position
remains
that
we
believe
that
public
land
should
meet
the
greatest
public
need
and
that's
exactly
what
our
proposal
is
offering.
Thank
you.
A
Great
thanks.
Everybody
thanks
for
the
discussion,
thanks
for
everyone
who
kind
of
from
the
committee
and
and
common
council
brought
your
questions,
really
appreciate
it
and
really
again.
Thank
you
to
the
each
of
the
teams
for
having
your
team
here
today
and
and
working
through
this
complex
location
and
concept
with
us,
charles
charlotte
and
doug.
We
now
have
a
task
ahead
of
us,
which
is
to
see
if
we
can
make
a
recommendation.
A
We
have
a
scoring
system
here
that
we
devised
before
we
even
saw
any
of
these
proposals,
which
ranked
the
four
criteria
with
a
bit
of
a
weighting
and
then
had
a
system
by
which
we
would
rank
each
of
the
proposals.
Three
two
one
three
being
the
highest
in
that
category,
one
being
the
lowest
I
wanted
to
see
if
either
of
you
had
any
of
the
any
high
level
comment
before
we
actually
do
that
activity.
A
I
think
we
could
basically
do
the
scoring
activity
see
where
it
comes
out
and
then
see
if
there's
some
discussion
or
negotiation.
That
needs
to
go
on
in
terms
of
the
recommendation,
but
if
that
makes
sense
to
all
of
you,
I
think
that
might
be
the
way
to
proceed.
Yeah,
I'm
good
and
ready
to
go.
Thank
you
all
right,
doug,
okay,
now
so
just
logistics.
So
we
don't
mess
up
the
part
of
this
for
a
good
discussion
today.
B
J
You
got
a
question
yeah
just
when
we
go
through
and
just
let
me
go
first
actually,
because
I
had
my.
My
very
first
line
has
a
kind
of
key
question
in
it.
So,
okay.
A
A
J
So
for
community
benefit,
I
think
each
every
one
of
these
projects
has
huge
community
benefit
in
a
variety
of
different
ways,
and
I
think
everybody
on
the
committee
that's
worked
with
me
for
a
while
knows
that
I
particularly
value
low-income
housing.
J
So
my
approach,
which
is
a
bit
of
a
cop-out-
but
I
do
actually
still
get
to
a
score
at
the
end-
is
to
give
them
all
a
two
for
community
benefit.
Basically,
as
a
tie,
because
I
think
I
could
go
through
the
benefits
of
each
one,
but
I
don't
think
it's
appropriate
for
me
in
my
position
to
actually
rank
them.
So
I'm
I'm
giving
amicha
too,
and
I
don't
know
if
that's
allowed.
J
No,
no
just
okay,
so
I
do
actually
have
votes
and
everything
else,
but
for
community
benefit
I
mean
you
know
some
people
really
value
parking
and
some
people
really
value.
You
know
the
tax
base
and
some
people
really
value
housing
and
I
just
don't
think
it's
appropriate
for
me.
I'm
I'm
an
I'm
a
volunteer
in
this
position.
I
was
nominated
because
there
was
a
vacancy
years
ago
and
and
I'm
holding
a
spot,
so
I
just
don't
think
it's
appropriate
for
me
to
rank
them.
That's
my
opinion.
Others
can
totally
feel
differently.
J
A
Right,
thank
you.
I
think
we'll
we'll
take
your
twos
and
yes,
you're
a
nominated
volunteer,
but
you're
you've
obviously
been
on
a
lot
of
roads
with
us
now.
Thank
you
very
much
and
remember
that
the
final
word
here
is
going
to
go
to
common
council,
which
are
the
elected
representatives.
J
Of
the
city-
and
that
was
my
point-
I
mean-
I
think,
we're
here-
to
weigh
in
on
the
concept
on
the
financial
feasibility
on
the
on
the
financial
terms,
and
I
think,
as
an
economic
development
subcommittee,
we're
not
here
to
I,
I
don't
feel
everybody
else
can
have
a
different
opinion,
but
I
don't
feel
that
I'm
here
to
make
a
decision
that
maybe
I
value
housing
more
than
I
value
marina
access.
If
I
were
an
elected
official
on
common
council,
I
feel
like
yeah.
K
I
first
let
me
just
give
an
overview
of
the
I
think,
the
use
of
the
future
use
of
this
island.
I
think
you
know
it's
a
critical
waterfront
resource
that
I
think
has
been
underutilized
for
decades.
K
It's
very
site
constrained
with
limited
space,
so
overall,
I'd
really
like
to
see
better
uses
of
this
space
increase,
increase
public
access,
enhanced
amenities
for
both
residents
and
tourists,
creative
ways
to
shuttle
people
on
and
off
the
island,
to
limit
storage,
both
of
cars
and
boats
on
that
piece
of
land.
But
I
also
would
like
to
see
maximize
tax
revenues,
both
in
the
short
term
and
longer
term,
in
terms
of
maintenance,
as
well
as
some
waterfront
centric
uses,
but
us
agree
that
we
don't
want
to
over
develop
this
small
island.
K
That
said,
I
did
rank
them.
I
thought
finger.
Licks
development
had
the
strongest
community
benefits
at
three
with
strategic
elements
in
waterfront
to
two
bison
one.
A
Great,
thank
you
I'll
echo,
a
lot
of
what
you
said
there
doug.
You
know,
and
also
what
you
said
charlotte
as
well
like
there's
everyone's
going
to
value
different
benefits
here
differently,
and
we've
heard,
I
think,
from
every
constituency
group
on
the
island,
and
I
think
that's
a
real.
You
know
testament.
I
think,
to
the
engagement
of
everybody
around
this.
A
I
think
in
lines
of
the
community
benefits
I
had
the
same
scoring
as
doug,
so
it's
three
for
english
filament,
two
for
one
alchemy
and
one
from
bism,
and
but
it's
not
to
say
that
there
are
elements
of
each
of
the
benefits
that
each
of
the
programs
are
offering.
That
aren't
interesting
and
they
are
all
interesting.
I
think.
In
the
end,
it
was
the
mix
and
scale
of
the
benefits
for
finglets
development.
That
kind
of
made
it
slowly
head
above
the
rest.
A
K
In
terms
of
project
concept,
this
was
a
little
tougher
for
me
with
do
we
go
fractions
or
strictly
whole
digits
all.
K
Yeah
this
this
was
close
between
first
and
second.
For
me,
I
did,
but
I
would
go
with
strategic
elements
as
three
finger.
Lake
development
is
two
and
and
that
visa
is
one.
A
J
Thank
you,
charlotte
yeah.
I
have
I
I'm
going
for
finger
lakes
development
as
a
three,
because
I
think
it's
the
most
it's
the
broadest
concept
and
and
they
showed
the
most
flexibility
and
in
the
hotel
question
I
asked
and
other
questions
that
I
asked
and
I
just
think
it's
got
the
the
the
most
broad
concept.
So
that's
the
three
followed
by
alchemy
at
a
two
and
vismata
one.
A
Thank
you.
I've
really
wrestled,
I
think,
maybe
with
the
concept
question
the
most,
because
I
think
in
the
end
there
there
are
three
different
and
areas
of
emphasis
and,
and
I've
thought
a
lot
about
a
lot
of
the
points
that
I
think
the
waterfront
alchemy
team
has
made
about
the
the
island
as
a
destination,
and
I
think
that
differentiates
it
a
little
bit
more
from
english
development
and
bism
yeah.
A
So
whether
or
not
this
this
configuration
and
this
space
really
lends
itself
to
that
level
of
volume
of
activity
on
that
island,
even
though
it's
clearly
an
attractive
idea
is
to
have
that
as
a
destination.
A
In
the
end,
I
think
I
went
with
the
the
concept
of
of
the
how
the
the
affordable
housing
component
being
a
strong
part
of
that
of
that
concept,
and
so
therefore,
english
development,
three
waterfront,
alchemy
two
and
fism
one,
but
I
think
it
is
important
to
note
that
somehow
getting
this
configuration
of,
where
is
that
waterfront
destination
for
ithaca,
so
we
don't
lose
that
traffic
to
other
locations
in
the
fringe
lakes.
I
think
it's
something
that
city
still
has
to
wrestle
with
the
infusibility
doug.
K
Again,
I
would
I
felt
that
both
strategic
element,
waterfront,
alchemy
and
finger
lakes
development
seemed
to
put
the
most
effort
and
planning
and
and
in
terms
of
the
project,
capacity
and
feasibility
here.
But
ultimately,
I
went
with
three
for
strategic
elements
and
waterfront
alchemy,
two
for
finger-like
development
and
one
for
visum
great.
A
Yeah,
I
also
have
the
same,
and
I
think
it's
just
a
testament
to
you
know
it's
it's
largely
private
financing
and
kind
of
ready
to
go
doesn't
require
the
same,
protracted
timeline
and
other
things
that
would
come
with
the
affordable
housing
components.
K
Me
this
one
was
pretty
clear-cut.
I
think
in
terms
of
the
it
seems
like
this
is
an
opportunity
of
the
waterfront
to
really
get
additional
sales
and
property
taxes
that
we
desperately
need
in
the
city.
So
I've
got
strategic
elements,
waterfront
alchemy
at
three
finger
lakes,
development,
two-
and
this
is
omit
one.
J
So
I
I
put
finger
lakes
development
at
a
three
they're,
paying
an
ultimately
higher
price
for
the
for
the
property,
so
I
had
them
at
a
3
and
alchemy
at
2
and
visum
at
1..
A
Yep
same
ranking,
looking
at
the
upfront
contributions,
offsetting
cost
for
the
city
and
then
yeah.
I
did
look
at
the
long
term
economics
I
mean
both
fingerlings
stole.
My
waterfront
alchemy
have
slightly
different
calculations
that
will
affect
that
long
term
and
I
think
it's
very
early
to
say
you
know
exactly
which
one
in
the
end
will
be
the
most
robust
but
they're,
but
they're
quite
similar
okay.
A
So
we
have
760
points
for
pringles
development,
710
points
for
waterfront,
alchemy
and
330
points
for
visum,
maybe
just
a
kind
of
quick
go
around
doug,
especially
because
it
looks
like
you
probably
have
the
highest
scores,
waterfront
alchemy
and
it's
right
now
sitting
a
little
bit
short.
So
I
wanted
to
give
you
a
chance
to
kind
of.
If
there's
anything
else,
you
want
to
raise
about
the
project
that
you
want
charlotte
and
I
to
take
under
consideration.
K
No,
I
think
I
mean
I
think
I
struggled
these-
were
both,
I
think,
very
strong
proposals.
I
think
the
obviously
the
nhs
proposal
really
strengthened
the
finger
lakes
development,
their
building
at
breckenridge,
I
think,
is
probably
the
nicest
new
building
in
downtown
bar
the
bar,
affordable,
heifer,
whether
it's
affordable,
housing
or
anything
else.
So
I
think
you
know
their
participation
in
the
finger
lakes.
Development
project
is
a
is
a
big
plus.
K
I
do
have
concerns
about.
You
know
the
the
continued
operation
of
a
boat
yard
in
that
constrained
environment,
but
you
know
hopefully
this
this
design
would
be
strengthened
and
and
go
with
that,
but,
but
I
think
both
of
these
both
of
those
two
proposals
are
very
close.
I
think
I'd
feel
comfortable
recommending
either
one
at
this
stage.
J
No,
I
I
don't
have
any
any
further
comment.
I
would
say
that
yeah
that
I'm
a
huge
proponent
of
low
income
housing
and
I
really
supported
what
vism
was
doing,
but
ultimately
the
the
kind
of
broader
and
more
flexibility
plus
the
financial
pieces
that
we
evaluated,
I
think,
put
finger
lakes
development
ahead.
So
I'm
comfortable
with
that
recommendation.
A
Okay,
great,
thank
you.
So
we
have
a
draft
for
a
solution
that
nels
has
provided
us
again,
which
would
allow
us
to
send
our
recommendation
to
the
iura
for
their
consideration
and
again
it's
it's
our
recommendation.
They
could
then
choose
to
recommend
something
different
to
the
common
council,
so
we
just
saw
that
today,
nels
or
charles.
Maybe
we
could
bring
that
up
on
screen
just
because
there's
a
few
different
results
and
I
think
we
have
to
make
some
decisions
about
what
to.
A
A
Okay,
so
the
question
so
the
first
one
would
be,
in
theory,
inserting
finger
lakes
development
there
as
our
highest
scoring
project
and
then
the
second
resolve
is
probably
the
thought
is
it.
You
want
us
to
keep
this
one,
as
just
the
one
you
also
said
could
be
potentially
optional.
If
we
didn't
have
any
conditions
to
insert
here.
B
I
think
there's
two
parts
to
this:
one
is
to
determine
whether
the
project
warrants
scopes.
You
know
enough
benefits
to
warrant
going
through
the
arduous
process
for
the
developer
and
and
the
public
in
the
city
and
ira
to
pursue
an
urban
renewal
project.
So
are
there
sufficient
benefits
to
warrant
that
effort
and
then,
secondly,
are
there
any
conditions
or
clarifications
you
want
to
make
sure
are
carried
through
as
a
regarding
the
proposal?
B
So
the
first
question
is:
does
it
does
it
really
warrant
going
forward?
Is
it
are
enough
benefits
that
offset?
You
know
different
from
current
uses
to
warrant
moving
this
project
forward
or
or
they're,
not.
K
A
K
Timing,
timing
is
everything
here.
You
know,
obviously,
the
last
time
we
approved
a
preferred
developer
at
languish
for
10
plus
years
right,
so
I
think
we'd
want
to
make
sure
put
some
sort
of
time
frame
on
this.
J
A
Yeah,
I
would
echo
doug's
concerns
you
know,
and
I
don't
think
we're
going
to
do
that
here,
but
obviously
timeline
becomes
a
factor,
but
I
do
think
you
know,
regardless
of
which
concept
had
been
chosen
here,
it
probably
does
warrant
the
investment
necessary
to
take
it
to
the
next
step.
So
yeah.
A
Okay
and
then
are
there
some
specific
things
that
have
come
up
with
this
particular
proposal
that
we
want
to
put
any
sort
of
conditions
on
again
there'll
be
a
negotiation
phase
subsequent
if
this
were
to
make
it
all
the
way
through
the
next
several
approvals
you
know
to
in
terms
of
you
know
the
whole
negotiation
of
a
disposition,
agreement,
etc.
So
there'll
be
plenty
of
opportunity
to
come
back,
but
if
there's
some
things
that
are
on
everybody's
mind,
now
that
you
want
specifically
this
team
to
be
aware
of
as
it
moves
through
the
process.
A
K
C
A
With
that
so
yeah,
the
only
other
one
I
I
might
add-
we
didn't
spend
a
ton
of
time
on
it
today,
but
it
came
up
a
little
bit
today
is,
I
think
it
would
be,
I
think,
useful,
to
get
clarification
of
the
commitment
of
finger
lakes
boating
center
to
make
the
kind
of
upgrades
and
renovations
to
that
facility
that
have
been
hinted
at
in
terms
of
opening
up
the
space,
visually
etc,
and
I
think
you
know
getting
that
clarification
from
them
as
a
partner
in
this
project,
I
think,
is
important,
just
aesthetically,
as
well
as
meeting
that
criteria
of
visual
access
and
sight
lines
through
the
properties
and
limited.
A
Yeah,
it's,
I
think,
nels
has
it
on
screen
here,
charles,
it's
the
clarification
of
the
commitment
of
the
fringe
lakes
boating
center,
maybe
to
to
to
make
to
make
renovations
or
improvements.
That's
better
improvements
in
terms
of
visual
access
and
limited
boat
storage.
A
Yeah,
okay,
anything
else,
nope
great
next
one
right,
that's
the
transfer
for
what's
going
to
read
with
the
formatting
marks
on
right,
okay,
and
that
common
console
should
authorize
an
option
agreement
to
transfer
the
island
properties
to
the
ira.
B
Right,
those
next
results
are
really
anticipating
the
next
step
in
the
process,
if
you
know
bringing
it
to
the
common
council
for
their
conceptual
review,
the
way
that
the
common
council
can
conceptually
support
moving
forward
is
to
agree
to
an
option
agreement
with
the
ira
for
their
holdings
on
the
island
that
are
part
of
the
project.
That
would
be
an
option
agreement
that
would
only
close
if
the
coming
council
approves
the
ultimate
urban
renewal
project.
B
J
There
was
just
something
in
the
chat
about:
can
we
can?
We
include
a
requirement
about
the
us
coast
guard
auxiliary,
which
I
think
is
a
decent
requirement,
although
I
don't
know,
if
that's
necessary,
just
a
commitment
by
the
developer
to
maintain
access.
B
B
B
B
A
B
Think
we
have
to
look
at
the
feasibility
issues,
there's
a
lot
of
pre-development
analysis
and
financial
feasibility
that
has
to
be
undertaken
before
some.
Some
of
these
answers
can
be
provided.
A
A
I
A
Great
okay,
so
this
part
of
the
meeting
is
finished.
I
want
to
thank
again
everybody
who
came
if
you're
interested
we
have
about
five
or
six
more
minutes
of
business
on
other
matters,
so
you're
welcome
to
stay,
but
for
the
committee
and
the
staff,
I
think
we
can
probably
move
through
those
items
relatively
quickly
nells.
The
meeting
for
the
agency
is
on.
I
don't
have
in
front
of
me.
B
Yes,
yeah,
you
should
have
the
grand
summary,
the
loan
repayment
report
and
the
lease
repayment
report.
The
grant
summary
is
showing
that
the
list
of
projects
that
are
funded
with
cdbg
and
home
funds
we're
in
good
stead
with
our
expenditures
and
progress
on
those
projects.
B
The
founders
way
project,
which
is
at
the
location
of
the
former
immaculate
conception
school
site,
is
scheduled
to
close
on
their
financing
tomorrow.
So
that's
an
exciting
project
that
will
move
towards
construction
soon
and
also
draw
down.
I
think
199
thousand
dollars
of
funding
commitment,
which
is
our
goal,
is
to
fund
these
projects
and
see
them
implemented.
So
that's
that's
progress.
We
seem
to
be
in
good
stead
with
that
with
those
with
those
activities.
B
The
loan
report
is
it's
kind
of
has
a
few
red
lines
in
it,
but
none
of
them
appear
to
be
significant
in
terms
of
again
we're
struggling
with
this
issue
of
when
we
recast
loans
as
interest.
Only
then
we
can
then
restart
them
up.
It's
a
it's.
It's
not
a
very
elegant
process,
and
it
involves
a
lot
of
back
and
forth
with
our
loan
service
area.
Liquid
state
is
now
current.
They
were
they.
There
was
some
confusion
about
the
billing
green
start.
B
So
you
don't
see
any
red
lines
in
the
future,
but
I
don't
think
any
of
these
are
serious
issues.
We
will
follow
up
with
green
star
to
make
sure
that
that
one
remains
we
follow
up
on
that
and
in
terms
of
the
lease
reports,
everybody
is
current
now
on
their
leases.
We
had
one
one
red
line
in
there
in
terms
of
past
due
on
a
quarterly
maintenance
fee.
B
I
believe
that's
that's
now
current,
and
what
we
understand
is
that
sinapolis
is
moving
back
to
regular,
more
regular
operations
where
they
can
afford
they
project.
B
They
will
be
able
to
afford
full
rent
going
forward,
starting
in
july,
which
it
will
they
currently,
I
believe,
are
still
only
doing
private
showings,
but
they
expect
to
try
to
move
to
a
broader
audience
and
and
more
operations
soon,
so
that
50
discount
that's
been
offered
to
sinapolis
by
their
landlord
and
that
this
that
the
ira
has
been
matching
in
terms
of
a
50
discount
to
qe
green
llc
will
end
in
june
unless
we
hear
different.
B
So
that's
good
that
we're
finally,
through
many
of
those
pandemic,
impacted
rand
reductions
that
that
the
agency
supported.
So
that's
the
quick
on
those
reports.
If
anybody
has
any
questions,
I'm
happy
to
answer
those.
A
That's
good
news
actually
here
on
cinemapolis
yeah,
so
terrific
anything
else
from
a
staff
report
point
of
view
just.
B
Really
quick
to
let
you
know
that
the
financing
for
the
green
street
garage
redevelopment
project
with
astiri
and
vism
group
has
closed
the
bonds
were
sold
and
that
project
is
scheduled
to
commence
in
early
july
after
they
have
still
a
few
housekeeping
items
to
get
in
place.
Yeah
you're
probably
seeing
the
barrels
out
in
green
street
already
in
terms
of
reorganizing
the
traffic
flow,
but
true
construction,
you
know,
mobilization
will
occur
in
the
first
week
or
two
of
july
for
that
project.
B
Likewise,
the
eastern
portion
of
that
site,
with
jeffrey
rimland
and
ethical
properties
is,
is
moving
forward.
That
common
council
is
going
to
be
considering
the
has
approved
the
the
agreements
for
the
lease
agreement
with
the
parking,
as
well
as
a
revised
hotel
parking
agreement
with
marriott.
So
those
were
requirements
to
move
toward
closing,
so
we're
now
working
to
schedule
the
closing
for
that
eastern
air
rights
parcel
as
well.
So
I
think
we're
gonna,
see.
B
Simultaneous
construction
on
both
portions
of
the
site
expect
that
construction
to
take
about
two
years
on
the
project
before
we're
free
of
the
traffic
flow
issues
that
we
just
corrected
earlier.
It's
not
a
great
area
and
there's
really
going
to
be
some
restricted
pedestrian
connections
for
for
a
period
of
the
time,
but
there
will
be
a
maintaining
a
pedestrian
connection
to
sinopolis
from
the
green
street
side
at
that
crosswalk.
B
B
A
You
know
I
was
going
to
ask
you
about
that
nails
I
was
just
over
in
that
there
the
other
day,
because
I
was
looking
at
inlet
island
and
went
down
the
other
side.
That
project
seems
to
have
slowed
down
the
art
house.
B
I
I
think
they're
still,
I
think
it's
still
active.
There
was
a
building
code
issue
they
were
working
through.
I
wasn't
made
aware
of.
B
But
though
they've
worked
right
through
you
know
the
pandemic,
they've
they've
been
going
forward.
I
think
they're
expecting
a
late
fall
opening
on
the
project.
So
I
I'm
not
aware
of
any
delays
that
would
you
know
nothing
on
the
order
of
the
library
project.
A
I
know
it's
not
really
an
ira
project,
but
right
all
right.
Anything
else.
B
Well,
I'd
like
just
like
to
thank
the
the
members
for
your
hard
work
on
this
project.
It
took
a
lot
of
work
and
reading
and
thought
to
appreciate
your
your
volunteer
work
in
this
really
helpful.
A
Yeah
I
was
going
to
echo
that
as
well.
I
thought
it
was
really
good
discussion
and
a
lot
of
good
thoughtful
questions,
and
you
know
this
won't
be
the
last
time
we
talk
about
this
project.
It
will
come
back
to
us,
I'm
sure,
but
I
really
do
appreciate
working
on
it
with
both
of
you
yeah.
I
feel
great
about
it.
Thanks
everybody
great
enjoy
the
rest
of
your.
K
The
vacation
meeting-
I
I
might
be
getting
a
jury
duty
thing
that
might
last
a
while
here,
but
are
we
we're
set
for
july
13th.
B
A
Okay,
thank
you.
Hopefully,
leslie
will
be
able
to
come
back.
Assuming
this
item
is
not
on
the
agenda
or
she
could
recuse
herself.
Maybe
if
we
had
a
small
item
right.
A
Yeah
no
totally
understood
so,
let's
double
check
with
leslie
and
doug.
If
anything
changes
on
your
schedule
do,
let
us
know.
K
If
he
prepared
for
three
months
of
jury-
beauty,
oh
god,
perfect
timing
anyway,
yeah
I'll,
let
you
know,
okay,
all
right!
Thank.
A
You
all
right
and
nels.
Thank
you
also,
a
lot
of
hard
work
to
kind
of.
Oh,
these
projects
are
not
like
there's
a
lot
of
stuff
to
keep
details
for
chocolate,
so
thank
you.
B
A
Yeah
for
sure
yeah,
the
community
was
well
served
by
their
interest
in
putting
their
energy
in
that
they
did
okay.
Well,
everyone
have
a
good
evening
or
afternoon
in
seattle
and
we'll
talk
to
you
all
later.
Okay,.