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From YouTube: May 11, 2021 IURA Economic Development Committee Meeting
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B
Go
all
right,
hi,
kelly,
hi,
charlie
great,
and
it
looks
like
we're
streaming,
live
on
youtube
now
as
well.
So
I'll
get
us
started
and
kind
of
call
me
to
order.
Let's
do
a
quick
agenda
check.
We
have
minutes,
and
then
the
primary
item
today
is
the
discussion
of
the
inlet
island
rfei.
Is
there
anything
else
we
need
to
add
to
the
agenda
change
the
agenda?
No
see
none
great.
B
So
let's
do
a
quick
check
on
the
minutes
from
our
last
committee
meeting
and
then
I'll
kind
of
outline
kind
of
where
we
are
in
the
rfpi
process
and
how
we're
going
to
run
the
meeting
today
as
well,
for
everybody's
benefit
both
on
zoom
and
on
the
live
stream.
So
any
discussion
about
meeting
minutes
or
if
someone
wants
to
move
it
kind
of
be
so
welcome
thanks,
doug.
Second
ellie.
Thank
you
yeah.
B
I
see
your
hand,
oh
good
great,
so
all
in
favor
of
us
good,
yeah,
great,
so
we'll
accept
those
minutes
and,
as
always,
charles
thank
you
for
your
thorough
and
accurate
minutes.
Appreciate
that
so
for
today
we're
going
to
focus
the
rest
of
our
agenda
on
the
inlet
island,
our
fbi.
B
B
Let
me
remind
everybody
on
the
committee
and
then
members
of
the
public
just
where
we
are
in
the
overall
process,
so
we've
had
three
responses
to
the
rfei,
which
was
offered
up
earlier
in
the
year.
The
committee
has
been
in
receipt
of
those
and
they've
been
available
to
the
public
on
the
ira's
website.
B
So
what
we're
going
to
be
doing
today
in
the
first
step
of
the
process,
is
reviewing
those
responses
in
discussion
with
each
of
the
applicants,
so
we're
going
to
spend
30
minutes
with
each
15
minutes
getting
an
opportunity
for
each
team
to
present
and
then
15
minutes
for
q
and
a
and
discussion
with
the
community
there'll
be
no
decisions
today,
there'll
be
no
scoring
or
ranking
today.
Today
is
just
a
way
for
us
and
for
members
of
the
public
to
become
more
informed
about
what
each
team
is
proposing.
B
B
That
would
go
to
the
iura
agency
board
on
the
last
thursday
of
the
month
in
june
for
their
consideration
and
if
they
were
to
move
our
recommendation
forward,
it
would
go
to
the
common
council
subsequent
to
that.
I
guess
to
the
pedc
I'm
looking
at
now.
It's
pdc
first
and
then
the
full
common
council
from
there.
So
we've
got
several
steps
in
the
in
the
process
here
for
ongoing
discussion
and
dialogue
and
obviously
for
comments
and
input
from
members
of
the
public
as
well
as
common
council.
B
I'm
glad
to
see
three
all
the
persons
here
today,
as
well,
so
for
what
we're
gonna
do
today.
We're
gonna
take
the
first
presenter
we're
going
to
spend
15
minutes
with
each.
As
I
said
in
the
15
minutes
of
q,
a
mel's
did
a
random
selection
of
out
of
a
hat,
so
everybody
can
be
assured
that
we
are
not
trying
to
kind
of
lean
on
the
scale
one
way
or
the
other
there.
B
We
have
a
30
minute
public
comment
session
at
the
end
of
the
meeting
and
charles
will
be
letting
people
in
from
the
waiting
room
at
that
point,
and
we
obviously
encourage
as
many
of
the
public
in
that
30
minutes
to
respond
as
possible
if
we
have
more
than
10,
we'll
probably
reduce
the
time
to
less
than
three
minutes
per
person.
But
I
highly
encourage
people
to
send
us
written
comment.
B
We
already
have
already
received
about
10
or
12
written
comments,
and
we
welcome
more
throughout
the
process
until
next
morning,
meeting
in
june
and
we'll
take
public
comment
at
the
meeting
in
june
as
well,
and
all
of
those
comments,
whether
we
see
in
writing
or
verbally
today
or
verbally
in
june
or
they're
all
going
to
equally
by
the
community,
so
feel
free
to
use
any
of
those
methods
as
necessary
and.
B
A
It's
one
for
alchemy,
link,
morse
and
his
team
and
charles.
Can
you
try
to
let
them
in
for
the
waiting
room?
Yes,.
B
D
B
F
I
B
B
Okay,
so
welcome
thanks
for
being
here
today,
just
to
review
you'll
have
15
minutes
to
present.
However,
you
choose
to
present
your
proposal
to
the
team,
which
also
lack
of
time
for
us
and
then
we'll
have
15
minutes
of
dialogue
with
the
committee
after
that
and
charles
will
keep
track
of
time
on
that
as
well.
So,
if
you're
ready
we'll
get
started
and
charles
will
start,
the
timer.
F
J
F
Okay,
I'd
like
to
introduce
our
team
and
I'm
lincoln
morse
from
waterfront,
alchemy,
noah,
demaris
from
stream
collaborative
and
guy
gridley
from
cambrie
real
estate,
cambrillo
hotels
and
we're
going
to
kick
it
off.
We
for
years
have
referred
to
the
cuba
waterfront
trail
and
the
walk
ithaca's
waterfront.
As
a
necklace
and
upon
this
necklace,
we
were
going
to
place
jewels
and
improvements
that
enhance
the
the
community's
involvement
with
the
waterfront
and
the
visitor
experience.
F
F
Green
star
has
now
been
completed
and
has
been
operating
for
a
year,
come
down
and
one
of
our
opposing
or
competing
things
that
agora
is
proposing.
A
great
visitor
experience
with
the
haunt
at
the
agora
come
around
the
buffalo
street
bridge
and
you
have
what
I
think
will
be
the
crown
jewel
of
that
necklace
and
that
is
inlet
island,
but
we
should
migrate
north
on
the
west
side
and
call
out
the
children's
garden
cass
park,
the
state
marina
the
dog
park.
F
F
Excuse
me:
the
the
middle
income,
the
the
forgotten
middle
housing,
and
this
is
an
example
that
we
developed
for
the
waterworks
project
and
we
think
it
lends
itself
beautifully
to
the
work
people
that
will
be
working
at
greenstar,
the
hotel,
the
boatyard
grill.
All
the
boutique
business
is
about
to
be
born
along
the
waterfront.
F
You
see,
the
retail
signs
these
marquees
are
going
to
represent,
represent
small
businesses
that
are
going
to
capitalize
on
that
water
experience
and
as
we
move
north
you're
going
to
see
the
cambria
and
the
cambria
is
going
to
work
in
symphony
with
the
bike:
rentals,
the
kayaks,
the
again
visitor
and
community
experience
on
the
water.
You
see
a
food
truck.
D
F
One
of
the
things
that
we're
really
proud
of
is
you
see
the
electric
launches
explorer
ithaca.
Jody
denman
has
been
made
the
new
york
state
dealer
for
the
electric
launches
and
there
will
be
a
fleet
of
these
on
the
water
that
will
offer
a
visitor
experience
and
a
community
experience
for
using
these
little
very
green
technology,
dinner
boats
that
are
going
to
cruise
the
waterfront
and
the
stuart
park
area
and
allow
even
more
access
to
the
waterfront.
F
If
you
look
at
the
top
picture,
you
see
an
ncaa
racing
course
for
ithaca
college
in
cornell.
That
theme
will
be
absorbed
into
the
inlet
island
development
and
so
we're
hoping
with
all
these
synergies
that
an
economic
engine
will
be
born.
We
noticed
it
in
our
launch
fleet
at
explore.
Ithaca
people
have
noticed
ithaca
as
a
great
outdoor
recreation
and
family
experience.
F
Ethical
will
be
known
as
not
only
outdoor
recreation
but
a
great
family
experience,
and
with
that
said,
we
want
to
introduce
guy
gridley
from
cambria
real
estate,
who
has
been
studying
the
ithaca
market
and
the
burgeoning
tourism
and
visitor
experience,
and
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
him.
He's
been
in
ithaca
now
for
three
years,
studying
our
our
economy
and
what
we
do
and
guy.
Why
don't
we
talk
about
cambria
sure.
K
Thanks
link,
so
my
name
is
guy
gridley.
My
role
is
to
develop
cambria
hotels
in
in
the
right
markets.
For,
for
my
company,
just
give
you
a
little
background
on
cambria.
K
We
currently
have
55
cambria's
open
across
the
country,
we're
gonna
open
another,
I
hope
14
in
the
next
six
to
six
to
eight
months,
and
we
have
about
a
hundred
signed
projects
that
are
in
the
construction
pipeline
right
now
that
you
know
all
have
been
all
been.
You
know
closely
examined
by
by
my
company
to
make
sure
that
they're,
the
right
markets,
the
right
partners,
the
right
operators-
and
you
know
we're
very,
very
specific
on
where
these
hotels
go.
K
These
are
not
roadside
motels,
they
are,
you
know,
they're,
not
lower
end.
You
know
cookie
cutter
experience,
hotels.
These
are
boutique
hotels,
with
the
backing
of
of
a
strong
brand,
and
the
one
of
the
reasons
we
chose
ithaca
is
because
ithaca
is
the
right
type
of
market
for
these
hotels,
and
I
mean
that
by
saying
that
you
know
it's,
we
have
to
look
at
markets
where
there's
enough
demand
for
one
thing
and
where
there
are
enough
drivers
that
we
feel
that
we
can
fill
the
hotel
and
ithaca
ithaca
really
stands
out.
K
There
are
not
many
places
that
are
that
are
comparable
to
ithaca
as
far
as
what's
needed,
for
for
a
successful
hotel
project
with
you've
got
the
you've
got
all
the
things
that
a
tourist
would
would
look
for.
You
know
getting
out
on
the
water,
I
mean
all
the
hiking,
all
the
the
the
art
scene,
the
great
restaurants.
You
know
it's
really
it
really
all
goes
into
it,
and
then
you
have,
you
know
world-class
higher
education.
Here
I
mean
it's
it's.
K
It
really
has
everything
that
that
a
hotel
development
would
look
for
and
and
really
what
we
want
to
do
with
cambrian,
which
I
think
we're
being
successful
for
is
putting
these
in
the
right
communities.
Where
there's
going
to
be
some
benefit,
it's
not
just.
You
know
we're
going
to
try
to
just
cram
these
in
wherever
we
can.
We
truly
want
to
customize
it
to
the
market.
You
know
when
we
open
up
restaurants
in
our
hotels.
We
don't
want
restaurants
just
for
the
guests.
K
We
want
restaurants
for
the
community
and
you
know
we
have.
We
have
made
a
a
significant
investment
in
in
these
developments
and
we
are
absolutely
prepared
to
do
so
in
in
ithaca
as
well.
So
you
know
we
we
look
forward
to
to
continuing
on
the
process.
You
know,
I
think
I
I
think,
with
with
how
our
customizable
our
concept
is,
that
we
can
be
the
right
fit
for
inlet
island.
G
Yeah
thanks
guys,
so
just
a
quick
note
on
the
design
of
the
hotel.
We're
we've
been
working
with
smith,
buckley
architects,
out
of
vermont,
who
are
specialists
in
hotel
design
and
have
worked
with
cambria
in
the
past,
and
so
one
of
the
things
we're
doing
is
collaborating
on
the
design
of
these
buildings,
and
I
just
want
to
emphasize
that
this
building
is
not
as
as
guy
said,
this
is
not
cookie
cutter.
G
This
has
been
sort
of
carefully
thought
through
and
designed
for
this
site
to
take
advantage
of
certain
features,
such
as
the
the
views
towards
the
water
views
towards
cornell
views
towards
the
flood
control
channel,
the
orientation
of
the
building
itself
in
terms
of
the
entry
and
how
it
faces
boatyard,
grill,
and
really
creates
kind
of
a
hospitality
core
on
the
north
end
of
this
building,
but
also
how
it
situates
is
situated
on
old,
tiganic
boulevard
with
a
with
a
kind
of
prominent
facade,
meeting
space
business
meetings,
lobby,
experience
sort
of
on
the
ground
floor
as
well.
G
One
of
the
things
I
want
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
is
just
the
site
itself
and
how
how
we
have
been
envisioning
this.
You
know-
and
we've
been
looking
at
this
for
a
number
of
years
in
terms
of
trying
to
figure
out
what
fits
on
this.
This
property,
what's
highlighted
in
red,
are
the
properties
in
question
here,
and
I
think
it's
one
of
the
things
that's
really
challenging
is
the
number
of
parking
spaces
that
are
already
there.
G
So
that
represents
a
significant
number
of
parking
spaces
currently.
But
at
the
same
time,
we
recognize
that
there's
an
enormous
pressure
on
this
parking
from
the
various
users
like
the
boatyard
grill
island
health,
the
boating
center
and
all
the
users
along
along
the
waterfront.
G
So
what
we've
really
been
stressing
is
trying
to
right-size
this
project
to
recognize
that
you
know.
On
the
one
hand,
we
could
do
just
one
large
hotel,
you
know
200
room
hotel
or
something
like
that,
and
that's
that's
about
it
right.
That's
about
the
only
thing
we
could
fit
on
there
in
terms
of
how
that
would
affect
the
parking
demand
for
the
hotel,
as
well
as
the
adjacent
users,
so
we're
we're
not
doing
that.
G
We're
really
trying
to
simplify
and
keep
keep
more
of
a
boutique
hotel
that
allows
us
to
do
this:
middle
income,
housing,
these
boutique
retail,
and
do
it
in
such
a
way
that
preserves
a
tremendous
amount
of
parking
that
would
also
serve
the
adjacent
users
as
well,
and
one
quick
note
about
that
that
we
wanted
to
really
highlight
is
that
the
amount
of
parking
or
the
location
of
the
parking?
That's
already?
There
is
a
really
important
part
of
this:
our
ability
to
deliver
this
middle-income
housing.
G
You
know
we're
probably
going
to
look
at
some
sort
of
subsidies,
but
this
is
not
a
fully
subsidized,
affordable,
housing
kind
of
project.
We
want
to
take
advantage
of
the
infrastructure.
That's
already
there.
We
have
a
sea
wall
that
has
already
been
put
in
place.
We
have
the
existence
of
a
parking
lot,
although
we
intend
to
upgrade
that
parking
lot
with
new,
paving
and
curbing
and
and
street
trees,
but
we're
not
reinventing
the
wheel.
G
So
we're
trying
to
simplify
the
development
focus,
the
development
on
the
property,
that's
in
question
and
at
the
same
time
maintain
old
tank
toganic
boulevard
as
a
city
street,
which
we
feel
is
really
in
a
really
important
aspect
to
this,
because
by
having
this
be
a
public
street,
it
allows
for
the
potential
future
development,
not
just
on
on
this
side
of
the
street,
where
the
parking
is
as
as
parking
demands
and
traffic
and
transportation
might
be
reimagined
in
the
future.
G
We
could
also
see
development
along
the
other
side.
So
obviously
we
don't
control
the
other
side,
but
we
would
imagine
we're
just
sort
of
imagining
what
that
might
look
like
and
it
remains
to
be
seen.
But
you
know
some
sort
of
potential
continuation
of
the
marina,
but
the
opportunity
of
redevelopment
of
retail,
perhaps
housing
and
so
forth
on
this
side
of
the
street.
G
But
by
doing
this
in
such
a
way
that
we
have
a
public
street
with
the
potential
for
a
variety
of
private
users,
private
privately
owned
a
subdivision,
essentially
where
the
hotel
is
one
owner.
The
middle
income.
Housing
is
one
owner
the
potential
for
the
city
to
partner
and
with
all
of
the
users
in
terms
of
the
management
of
the
parking
itself
and
the
ability
to
perhaps
even
have
future
buildings
to
really
build
out
this
entire
kind
of
city
street.
G
If
you
will
so,
I
I'll
leave
it
at
that
and
just
leave
it
on
the
last
image
here.
But
I
don't
know
if
we
want
to
do
q
a
now
or
how
you
intend
to
work
this
or
maybe
link
if
you
want.
If
there's
anything
else,
you
want
to
say
before
we
conclude.
F
Yeah,
I
think,
if
we
were
just
to
say
and
how
we
differ
from
some
of
the
other
proposals,
is
there's
a
lot
of
market
rate
housing
going
on
along
the
waterfront.
What
we'd
like
to
do
is
concentrate
on
a
project
that
delivers
some
revenue
that
supports
the
beautiful
green
spaces
that
we
have
and
also
creates
jobs.
F
We
need
small
micro
businesses
to
come
here
and
flourish
and
I'm
not
talking
about
2
000
square
feet
of
box
stores,
I'm
talking
about
a
startup
business
that
needs
640
square
feet
and
has
a
great
idea.
This
type
of
boat,
boutique
atmosphere
is
what
we're
chasing
and
we
believe
it
will
work
on
this
promenade
and
work
on
the
island.
It
is
a
great
visitor
experience.
D
That
is
15
minutes
great.
B
That
was
perfect,
as
I
think
came
to
his
final
conclusion,
all
right
thanks,
everybody,
guy
and
noah.
I
think
to
make
this
a
little
bit
orderly.
B
Why
don't
we
just
kind
of
go
around
first
for
each
of
the
community
members,
so
maybe
charlie
and
then
doug
and
then
myself
and
then
else
if
you
have
any
kind
of
questions
and
then
we'll
see
where
we're
at
and
how
to
not
be
mindful
of
the
time
it's
3
54.
So
you
know
we
have
until
about
409
with
this
group,
so
I
want
to
keep
track
of
that.
So
charlie,
do
you
want
to
start?
Do
you
have
some
questions
to
open
it
up
with.
H
Okay,
repeating
the
question:
sorry,
the
last
picture
you
showed
the
overall
site
had
the
had
kind
of
proposed
new
development,
eventually
there
for
the
retail
along
the
south
side.
So
how
do
you?
How
do
you
do
that
with
the
existing
businesses
that
are
there.
I
G
That's
the
whole
idea
is
that
we
really
feel
strongly
that
the
island
should
be
developed
by
a
number
of
different
businesses,
right
that
it
doesn't
it's
probably
not
in
in
our
opinion,
in
the
city's
best
interest
to
have
one
owner,
for
essentially
this
whole
northern
half
of
the
property
of
the
island.
I
should
say
so.
This
is
just
imagining
how
the
city
street
might
work
if
the,
if
both
sides
are
developed-
and
they
obviously
could
take
a
number
of
different
forms
in
the
future.
L
H
I
mean,
but
at
this
point
we
have
to
consider
like
what
can
possibly
be
done
now
with
by
by
your
team
with
our
land
right.
So
that's
what
I'm
trying
to
like
look
at
the
overall
picture
of
like
what's
the
first
phase
and
then
because
this
looks
what
you're
showing
here
looks
like
the
end
like
an
end
phase,
if
you
had
cooperation
from
the
other
land
owners
on
that
other
side,.
G
That's
correct,
in
fact,
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
focus
our
proposal
on
the
property,
that's
within
the
red
boundaries,
so
that
is
the
property.
That's
part
of
the
rfei
recognizing
that
the
city
street
can
remain
a
city
street
and
that
allows,
in
our
opinion,
the
greatest
flexibility
for
development
on
both
sides
of
the
street
as
opposed
to
privatizing
the
street
or
taking
the
street
on
as
part
of
the
project.
I
think
it's
just
it's
a
it's
kind
of
a
different
approach:
different
okay,.
H
And
then
kind
of
what
would
you
we
got
some
public
comments
and
I
think
those
are
all
public
record
at
this
point.
But
there
was
some
public
comment
about
projects
potentially
interfering
with
the
current
marina
and
the
current
like
the
finger
lakes
boating
center,
and
things
like
that.
Does
your
project
in
the
first
phase
interfere
at
all
with,
what's
going
on
on
the
south
side
of
that
island.
G
Currently,
if
you
consider
the
boundaries
as
outlined
by
the
red,
then
it
does
not,
because
we're
focusing
the
first
phase
completely
I'll
go
back
to
that
slide.
It's
completely
within
the
boundaries
on
this
side
of
the
street.
Their
their
operation
is
on
the
other
side
of
the
street.
B
M
G
Yeah,
absolutely
I
mean
I,
I
think
the
obvious
one
is
that
the
connection
is
right
there
already
under
the
bridge,
so
how
these
buildings
are
situated
again,
this
infrastructure
is
already
in
place
and
the
desire
is
to
to
eventually
you
know
again,
we
don't
control
the
other
side
of
the
street,
but
the
idea
would
be
that
it
would
loop
through
and
all
the
way
around
the
island
as
a
as
it
makes
it
its
way
through
the
other
properties
all
the
way
to
buffalo
street
and
to
the
waterfront
trail
in
that
location.
G
So
there's
a
number
of
different
obstacles
along
the
way
and
challenges,
and
obviously
we're
working
on
some
of
these
properties
over
here.
But
that's
the
idea
is
it.
You
know,
as
link
said,
these
are
the
the
trail.
Is
the
necklace
and
we're
trying
to
create
these
series
of
jewels
all
around
it?
So
there's,
in
other
words,
there's
nothing
about
this.
That
would
be
in
the
way
of
making
those
connections.
In
fact,
that's
the
ultimate
goal.
M
F
So
we
are
still
working
with
avi
smith,
one
of
the
things
that
we've
learned
from
the
city
harbor
project,
the
green
star
project-
is
there's
a
great
deal
of
expense
to
this
type
of
waterfront
infrastructure
improvement.
Avi
loves
the
waterfront,
and
but
there
is
so
much
investment
here.
He
felt
that
some
of
the
other
stuff
we're
working
with
him
on
would
be
better
suited
on
a
smaller
scale
that
if
you
look
at
the
our
proposal,
there's
a
dollar
value
here
between
22
and
26
million
dollars,
avi
felt
that
that
scale
needed
to
be
maintained.
F
G
M
G
Yeah,
so
we're
definitely
targeting
the
80
to
100
percent
ami
currently.
H
G
Are
looking
at
the
the
county
housing
fund
for
assistance
with
those
units
and
and
that's
and
looking
at
their
green
building
program
as
well,
which,
if
I'm
not
mistaken,
it
will
actually
go
up
to
120
so
that
that
is
kind
of
the
target.
So
it's
not
fully
subsidized.
It's
not
low
income
housing,
but
it's
middle
income,
housing
in
that
80
to
100,
possibly
up
to
120
ami,
and
these
would
be.
B
Great
I'll
pick
up
right
where
you
guys
just
left
off
so
in
when
I
was
looking
at
the
financials
in
your
proposal.
It
looked
like
this
was
primarily
equity
and
commercial
financing,
and
then
you
just
alluded
to
in
your
in
the
presentation
and
in
your
response
to
dog
potential
some
subsidies.
So
if
you
could
just
kind
of
clarify
what
subsidies
you
think
you're
going
to
need,
whether
it's
for
the
housing
or
any
of
the
infrastructure
components
and
is
that
different
than
what
was
in
the
original
proposal.
G
Yeah
I
I'll
speak
to
the
housing.
I
mean
we,
we
unders
we've
looked
at
the
housing
assistance
in
the
past
on
other
projects
and
I
think
we
want
to
keep
that
option
open
at
this
point.
It's
not
technically
part
of
the
project,
we're
hoping
that
we
don't
need
it,
but
it
is
an
option.
The
only
trick
with
that
is
the
income
qualification
and
and
how
we
manage
that
process
and
whether
we
partner
with
somebody
to
assist
in
that
which
is
a
possibility.
G
F
We
would,
of
course,
be
working
with
tompkins
county
area
development
where
the
opportunity
arises,
the
the
housing
obviously-
and,
of
course
we
are
using
them
in
other
projects
on
on
the
island,
the
waterworks
project
and
probably
explore
ithaca
one
of
the
unique
reasons
we
chose
a
financial
and
development
partner
like
cambria
is
the
cambria
real
estate
group
invests
in
the
real
estate.
They
they
they
they
put
their
money
where
their
mouth
is.
They
have
a
stakeholder
they're,
a
personal
stakeholder,
but
they
also
bring
qualified
developers.
F
We
have
interviewed
three
qualified
developers
that
are
cambria
developers
and
these
three
keep
our
options
open
and
I'll.
Let
guys
speak
to
the
financial
investment
that
camera
is
willing
to
make,
but
we
believe
that
one
of
the
things
that's
that
has
advantage
of
this
site
is
the
city
and
the
taxpayers
have
already
made
a
lot
of
infrastructure
improvements
on
this
site.
That
seawall
is
a
very
expensive
amenity.
The
parking
exists,
it
needs
improvement,
but
there's
a
lot
of
improvements
made
on
this
site
that
can
translate
to
a
more
successful
project.
F
K
So
our
our
goal
obviously
is
to
get
these
hotels
built,
you
know
and
get
them
open
and
operating,
and
there
are
a
number
of
ways
that
that
we
can
do
that,
so
we're
pretty
different
from
most
hotel
companies
and
where
we
can,
we
can
first
of
all
we
can
invest
which
a
lot
of
hotel
companies
don't
do
they
just
primarily,
you
know
lease
out
their
brands
franchising,
but
we
can.
K
We
can
invest
what
we
call
key
money,
which
is
basically
it's
basically
free
money
going
into
the
project
for
for
the
lead,
developer
and
and
what
that
does
is
it.
It
lowers
the
basis
of
the
project
significant
so
because
this
money
comes
in
the
way
that
it
does,
it
makes
the
projects
way
more
of
a
reality
because
in
essence,
they're
getting
they're
getting
millions
of
dollars
inequity,
but
we're
not
taking
any
ownership
of
that.
In
addition
to
that,
we
we
have
joint
ventures
that
that
we
can
look
into.
We
can.
K
We
can
look
at,
you,
know
mezzanine
financing
to
to
bridge
any
gaps,
and
we
can
also
develop
it
100
completely
ourselves
as
a
cambria
development.
So
we
have
a
lot
of
different
ways
to
make
this
work,
and
you
know,
because
we've
been
so
serious
about
getting
something
in
ithaca
for
so
long.
You
know,
I
I
think
I
I
think
we've
got
a
great
opportunity
here.
You
know
and
a
real
opportunity
to
to
get
this
thing
built
right.
B
One
final
question:
it's
also
a
little
unclear.
What
actually
are
you?
What
are
you
proposing
in
terms
of
the
acquisition
fee
for
the
real
estate
to
the
city
and
or
iura?
I
know
you
all.
It
seems
it's
bundled
together
with
potential
environmental
remediation.
So
what
are
you
actually
proposing
in
terms
of
a
purchase
price
if
anything.
F
There's
a
pre,
determined
amount
or
an
estimate
of
what
that
brownfield
size
would
be,
and
the
remediation
cost
we'd
like
to
and
as
you
see,
our
our
proposal
involves
that
coast
guard
area
and
we
wish
to
aggressively
go
after
that
brownfield
site,
whether
that
is
a
as
a
subtraction
from
the
market
value
of
the
real
estate.
We
believe
that's
a
further
discussion
we'll
have
if
the
city
is
interested
in
pursuing
this
again,
our
aim
is
to
make
the
project
come
to
fruition.
F
G
A
Yeah,
I
just
had
one
clarification
I
was
looking
for,
which
was
to
understand
better
the
proposal
talks
about
improving
public
parking
infrastructure,
as
well
as
improving
waterfront
infrastructure.
I
wonder
if
you
could
just
highlight
those
aspects
of
the
project
and
who's
paying
for
the
improvements
in
your
proposal,
for
wherever
there
are
physical
improvements.
F
Okay,
I'll
start
with
the
waterfront
improvements.
The
one
thing
our
investment
group
and
our
existing
business
partners
is
explore
ithaca.
We
are
about
public
access
to
the
water.
We
we
already
have
a
launch
facility
here,
we'd
love
to
expand
it
here
on
the
island,
and
we
would
bring
the
re.
We
would
bring
that
capital
to
the
table
to
create
what
we
call
the
rental
marina
there.
We
already
have
a
big
expenditure
and
have
what
we
consider
one
of
the
best
launch
facilities
in
the
finger
lakes.
F
That's
that's
equipment
that
we
would
bring
we're
not
looking
at
large
boat
infrastructure
in
and
out
of
the
water
that
already
exists.
F
What
we
want
to
do
is
create
public
access
to
the
water,
invite
the
public
here
with
paddle
craft,
all
forms
of
small
boat
recreation
and
give
them
a
place
to
launch
the
reis
requested
that
we
create
a
vibrant
waterfront.
The
vibrant
waterfront
has
to
do
with
the
community
investment
in
it,
as
well
as
the
visitor.
We
want
to
give
them
a
place
to
access
the
water.
F
Absolutely
we
think
that
the
west
side
of
the
site
is
actually
the
only
place
we
actually
and
the
north
is
the
only
place
we
can
actually
promote
our
design
because
that's
what
the
city
lands
are
so
from
launch
stocks
to
and
again
we're
restricted
by
what
is
allowed
on
the
flood
control
side,
but
all
of
the
areas
and
green
spaces
here
are
green
spaces
that
are
allowed
for
both
the
community
and
the
public.
It
is
not
being
privatized
and
the
launch
or
the
transient
dock
to
the
north
capitalizes
on
park
land.
F
That's
already
at
the
very
north
end
of
the
island.
We
believe
having
a
transient
and
visitor
dock.
There
is
really
important
in
order
to
enhance
people
willing
to
travel
and
come
to
inline
island
with
their
boat
right
now
that
doesn't
exist.
There
are
very
few
transient
slips.
It
is
it's
privatized,
so
we'd
like
to
invite
transient
doc
boaters,
not
just
stakeholders
in
the
marina.
That's
there
existing.
G
So
nells
just
to
reiterate
so
everything
you
see
in
this
plan
that
has
been
drawn,
and
that
includes
the
improvements
to
old
toganic
boulevard
as
a
city
street
with
on-street
parking,
sidewalks
street
trees.
That's
all
part
of
the
purpose
and
then
the
north
point
as
link
just
mentioned
and,
as
you
know,
there's
an
area
of
the
sea
wall,
that's
kind
of
falling
in
and
then
there's
an
area
of
the
walkway,
which
is
just
kind
of
a
foot
trail
right
now.
That
has
not
been
paved
to
make
that
connection.
B
Thank
you
all
right.
I
think
we're
at
time
for
this
team,
so
I
want
to
thank
the
entire
team
for
both
first
submitting
the
application
and
then
your
your
time
today
for
discussion
and
and
the
q
a,
and
I
think,
we'll
prepare
for
the
next
group
thanks
james.
Thank
you
very.
L
B
That's
important
well.
That
makes
it
really
simple.
Welcome
patrick
good
to
see
you,
okay,
so
just
reviewing
it
so
you're
gonna
have
15
minutes
to
present,
so
you
left
about
426
427
depending
on
your
start
and
then
we'll
have
15
minutes
for
a
q,
a
with
the
community
as
well,
when
when
we
complete
that
and
if
you're
ready
charles
will
start,
the
timer,
which
you
won't
see
but
he'll
tell
you
when
you're
at
time.
D
E
Thank
you
all
right
so
good
afternoon,
my
name
is
patrick
braga,
and
I
am
vice
president
of
development
at
vism
development
group
and
it's
my
sincere
pleasure
to
share
with
you
our
vision
for
inlet
island,
we're
a
local
and
exciting
young
team
of
doers
and
designers
who
love
everything.
Ethica
has
to
offer,
in
addition
to
helping
keep
students
housed
in
college
town,
to
reduce
housing
demand
pressures
elsewhere
in
the
city.
We've
also
begun
pursuing
affordable
and
mixed
income
homes
for
ithacans
beyond
the
student
housing
market.
E
So
when
we
saw
the
urban
planning
principles,
the
rfei
outlined
mixed-use
inclusionary
development
that
amplifies
ithaca's
unique
features
and
connects
it
better
to
the
whole
city.
We
realize
this
project
would
be
right
in
our
wheelhouse
now,
for
whom
is
the
ithaca
waterfront?
Well,
I
want
to
invite
you
to
consider
a
vision
of
the
future.
E
Imagine
the
ithaca
waterfront
in
10
years,
families
from
all
all
walks
of
life,
wake
up
to
the
springtime
choir
of
birdsong
enveloping
the
cayuga
inlet,
essential
workers
and
white-collar
workers
live
across
the
street
from
one
another
and
a
surprising
amount
of
them
bike
or
take
the
bus
to
their
jobs.
Downtown
on
east
hills,
south
hill
or
route
13.
E
locals,
who
had
long
struggled
with
making
ends
meet
for
housing
and
transportation,
have
had
a
massive
burden:
relieved
off
their
shoulders.
The
ithaca
waterfront
of
the
future
can
be
built
for
everyone
and
that's
exactly
what
visum
is
proposing
among
all
three
proposals.
Our
standout
stands
out
as
providing
the
most
affordable
housing
and
the
most
encompassing
public
access
to
the
waterfront.
There
are
hardly
any
pieces
of
land
that
the
city
owns
at
this
scale.
E
But
the
illustrations
really
capture
the
spirit
and
overall
direction
of
what
we
want
to
build
and
achieve
we're
proposing
about
a
hundred
and
thirty,
two
thousand
four
hundred
square
feet
of
new
habitable
space
with
buildings
covering
approximately
thirty
37
percent
of
the
site.
In
our
proposal
we
offer
approximately
an
acre
and
three
quarters
of
parkland
and
public
realm,
so
the
park,
the
waterfront,
has
seen
a
lot
of
interest
for
market
rate
and
luxury
development.
So,
as
a
counterpoint,
we're
proposing
an
ithaca
waterfront,
that's
truly
inclusionary.
E
The
way
we've
done
our
initial
planning
three
quarters
of
the
units
in
the
project
would
be
reserved
for
households
making
anywhere
between
18
000
and
74
000
a
year
with
half
of
the
units
reserved
for
households
making
thirty
thousand
to
fifty
five
thousand
a
year.
Income
ranges
will
be
spread
evenly
among
the
three
buildings
anchoring
our
proposal
is
a
landmark
park
designed
acro
according
to
21st
century
applications
of
traditional
park,
design
principles,
clearly
bounded
edges,
frequent
doorways
into
the
buildings
and
tree-lined
paths
and
circling
open
lawns.
E
The
open
space
is
organized
into
a
fractal
of
small
greens
and
refuges,
medium-sized
gathering
spaces
and
a
large-scale
central
feature.
This
approach
helps
to
define
the
edges
of
spaces,
makes
it
easier
for
visitors
to
make
a
mental
map
of
the
park
and
helps
with
programming
events
in
the
park
more
appropriately.
E
We
achieve
visual
access
to
the
waterfront,
not
only
through
the
open
spaces,
but
also
through
deflections
of
the
ground
level.
Building
footprint
articulating
vessels
toward
the
water
in
our
illustrations,
we're
deliberately
showing
the
ground
levels
in
gray
and
bent
slightly
askew
to
accentuate
user's
sight
lines
toward
the
water
and
open
spaces.
We're
trying
to
encourage
people
to
turn
corners
to
keep
walking
toward
the
flood
control
channel.
E
We
envision
tree
shaded
and
ada
compliant
sidewalks
raised
crosswalks
a
protected
two-way,
narrow
lane
for
light
transport
such
as
bicycles,
scooters,
wheelchairs
and
skateboards
floating
bus
stops
with
shelters
and
approximately
60
on-street
parking
spaces
to
support
inland
island
businesses.
Parking
demand,
management
and
curb
management
will
need
to
be
core
components
of
this
aspect.
If
we're
able
to
move
forward
with
our
proposal,
our
proposal
would
be
about
40,
a
41.3
million
dollar
investment
to
increase
inclusionary
housing
in
ithaca,
as
suggested
by
our
initial
financial
models.
E
And
this
is,
after
all,
public
land
and
public
lands
should
strive
to
create
the
highest
public
good
in
a
community
that
has
struggled
to
provide
enough
high
quality
housing
for
essential
workers
struggling
with
high
costs
of
living
and
long
commutes
in
from
the
countryside.
There's
no
better
opportunity
for
ithaca
as
a
community
to
say.
Yes,
we
value
you
and
we
want
to
give
you
the
best
quality
housing
in
one
of
the
city's
finest
locations
close
to
everything
that
makes
ithaca
such
a
fantastic
place
to
live
and
the
vision
vision
does
exactly
that.
Thank
you.
B
Great
that
was
tremendously
efficient,
patrick.
I
wasn't
totally
tracking
time,
but
I
think
we've
got
a
little
bit
extra
time
in
case.
We
need
it
as
part
of
the
full
30
minute
compliment
doug.
Why
don't
we
start
with
you
this
time?
Just
so
we
rotate
it
around
and
want
to
start
with
the
questions.
M
E
That's
a
good
question.
I
think
that's
something
that
we
can
discuss
in
more
detail
as
a
project
goes
on,
but
for
our
other
major
waterfront
project,
the
neighborhood
of
the
arts
down
on
cherry
street.
Our
intent
is
to
hold
that
long
term
as
kind
of
a
crown
jewel
project
within
the
city.
So
for
the
affordable
housing
projects
they
tend
to
make
more
money
on
the
front
end,
because
value
in
real
estate
is
determined
by
how
much
rent
a
building
generates
with
lower
rents.
M
And
thanks
and
in
terms
of
the
overall
design,
these
are
relatively
boxy
conventional,
looking
kind
of
structures.
Do
you
envision
that,
and
I
realize
they're
at
this
point,
you
know
fairly
early
in
the
design
stage,
but
do
you
see
that
they
might
be
treated
a
little
more?
Interestingly,
given
the
uniqueness
of
the
site.
E
M
And
I,
like
the
the
concept,
I
think,
of
putting
the
parking
the
south
end
there
of
taganapolar
to
try
and
limit
the
cars
going
down
that
short
stretch
of
the
island
there
you
envision,
there
will
be
issues
in
terms
of
construction
because,
due
to
soil
issues
and
whatnot
who
are
this,
has
that
already
been
looked
at
in
the
engineering
from
an
engineering
standpoint.
E
We
haven't
done
engineering
yet,
but
that's
one
of
the
reasons
that
we
decided
to
keep
the
parking
ramp
at
just
three
levels,
because
then
it
provides
just
enough
parking
spaces
and
with
an
exposed
top
level
just
enough
parking
spaces
to
serve
the
buildings
nearby.
To
open
up
the
on-street
parking
for
businesses
to
support
the
businesses
and
trying
to
keep
those
foundation
costs,
especially
down.
E
That's
a
good
question,
so
we
definitely
want
and
have
designed
about
5
400
square
feet
of
retail
in
the
tiganic
main
street
portion
under
the
parking
garage.
One
of
the
challenges
with
low
income
housing
tax
tax
credits
is
that
the
accounting
gets
really
complicated
when
you
try
to
do
mixed
use
with
for-profit
commercial
retail,
so
we'd
love
to
do
that.
E
If
we
can
find
a
way
to
make
the
accounting
work
and
and
we're
also
thinking
creatively
about
ways
to
activate
ground
floors
of
buildings
without
relying
on
commerce,
so
whether
that's
gyms
community
spaces,
youth,
recreation
areas,
non-profit
spaces
for
performing
arts
or
other
community
organizations.
So
we
want
to
think
about
think
outside
the
box
in
terms
of
the
ground
level
of
the
building.
E
Yeah,
because
this
is
public
land
and
we
believe
that
public
land
should
be
used
to
meet
the
most
pressing
public
needs
which
in
ithaca
is
affordable,
housing
access,
I'm
an
urban
history
nerd,
so
I've
been
reading
planning
board
meetings
from
the
80s
and
90s
recently,
just
for
fun
and
longer
than
I've
been
alive.
Ithaca
has
struggled
with
providing
affordable
housing,
so
we
figured
the
zoning
is
there
for
five
stories.
This
is
an
identified
public
need
if
we
want
to
use
public
land
to
meet
that
that
need
and
use
it
as
a
space.
E
That's
open
that
celebrates
the
waterfront
for
all
ithacans
to
gather
through
public
events
through
performing
arts
through
installation
art.
Then
that's
the
most
publicly
oriented
disposition
of
land
that
the
city
can
pursue.
H
Sure
can
you
tell
me
a
little
bit
more
about
the
retail
that
you
have
planned
and
the
20
jobs
there
under
the
parking
garage.
E
H
Okay
and
then
can
you
talk
about
any
kind
of
water
access
at
all.
E
Sure
so
we
envision
having
that
stretch
of
the
key,
the
waterfront
trail
on
the
western
edge
of
the
island
be
paved
and
access
to
the
water
would
be
so
easy
from
ultaganic
in
our
in
our
proposal.
So
right
now,
the
current
condition
is
you
kind
of
have
to
cross
parking
lots
and
it's
unpleasant
here,
you'd
be
walking
in
a
comfortably
shaded,
sidewalk
or
biking
in
a
comfortably
protected
lane
or
driving
into
a
nice
sheltered
parking
garage
and
walking
into
an
open
park
where
the
water
will
be
directly
in
essentially
a
90
degree
angle.
H
E
B
Okay,
it
looks
to
me,
patrick
looking
at
your
financials,
that
it
looks
like
you're
looking
for
you
would
be
looking
for
low-income
housing,
tax
credits
plus
some
additional
local
subsidies
for
the
housing
plus
public
money,
either
state
federal
or
city,
to
provide
the
public
infrastructure.
So
the
parks
and
and
other
things
can
you
just
kind
of
clarify
where
visual
life
you
make
any
equity
investments
towards
the
public
amenities.
E
Sure
we're
happy
to
provide
like
an
equity
gap
in
a
way
that
makes
sense
with
building
the
housing
and
still
maximizing
the
public
resources
that
are
available
so
through
the
states,
public
funding
sources.
Programs
like
the
new
york
state
parks,
capital
fund,
the
canal
way
grants
that
exist.
We
believe
that
we
can
build
a
really
strong
layer
cake
to
cover
a
lot
of
those
costs
and
where
an
equity
gap
exists
and
can
still
support,
building
the
housing
and
isn't
at
the
expense
of
building
the
affordable
housing.
B
Okay,
that's
fine!
If
you
don't
have
enough
the
answer
up
top
your
head,
yeah!
That's
why
I'm
kind
of
looking
at
it
as
well
just
trying
to
find
it
okay!
Now,
let's
maybe
I'll,
pass
over
you
and
we
might
not
have
time
for
that.
Basically,
though,
chris
do.
H
Yeah,
so
how
do
you-
and
I
guess
this
is
kind
of
an
a
question
for
each
of
the
developers
so
I'll
ask
the
same
question
to
the
next
developer
and
and-
and
I
guess
I
should
ask
the
previous
one-
the
the
question
is
about
like
the
contribution
to
the
tax
base.
So
is
there
a
way
to
estimate
the
contribution
to
the
tax
base
of
like
this
much
loan?
This
is
like
predominantly
low
income,
housing
and
very
small
amount
of
retail,
no
hotel.
E
E
Typically,
the
way
that
property
taxes
are
calculated
for
just
a
conventional
house
or
an
apartment
building
would
put
the
that
operating
expense
percentage
above
what
would
be
feasible,
so
affordable
housing
projects
do
tend
to
pay
taxes,
but
through
a
payment
agreement
with
municipalities
so
through
a
pilot
payment
in
lieu
of
taxes.
So
the
project
could
certainly
generate
property
taxes
and
from
the
retail,
that's
for-profit
commercial,
that
would
generate
conventional
property
taxes
and
as
well
as
sales
taxes
from
the
businesses
themselves.
E
I'm
also
imagining
suppose
that
vism
builds
the
parking
garage
and
city
takes
ownership,
that
the
parking
shouldn't
be
free
and
that
could
generate
revenue
as
well
to
support
city
budgets,
especially
if
it
gets
targeted
to
inlet
island.
E
That's
correct
pilot
as
a
form
of
paying
property
taxes.
Okay,.
E
Yeah,
I
don't
have
the
number
in
front
of
me
now,
but
with
our
estimates
of
rent
revenues
from
that
unit
mix
that
I
showed
I
could
calculate
30
to
35
percent
of
that
subtract
again.
Standard
operating
budget
and
what's
left
is
essentially
what
the
project
would
be
able
to
support
from
a
tax
standpoint.
E
B
H
Yeah,
I
mean
I
mean,
I
think
everybody
values
different
things
of
course
right,
so
there's,
there's
low
income,
housing,
there's
a
lot
of
front
access,
there's
aesthetics,
there's
parking,
there's
tax
base
right,
and
so
our
job
as
a
committee
is
try
to
evaluate
each
of
those
things.
So
this
is
the
highest
low-income
housing
number
of
any
of
the
proposals,
but
you
know,
I
think
qualitatively
it
looks
like
it's
going
to
be
the
lowest
tax
income
to
the
city.
H
So
anyway,
those
are
just
trade-offs,
and
so
we
just
have
to
kind
of
balance
that
so
the
more
quantitative
information
we
have
to
be
able
to
make
that
estimate
the
better.
So
thanks,
thank
you.
B
A
You
asked
you
asked
the
question
I
was
thinking
about,
so
thank
you
for
asking
that
in
advance
related
to
that,
though,
I
was
interested
in.
You
know
this
project,
your
proposal
stacks
things
where
a
lot
of
the
other
projects,
particularly
parking,
is
not
stacked
up
vertically,
providing
you
with
this
opportunity
for
a
more
open
space
and
a
public
park.
What's
your
vision
of
who
will
own
that
park
and
who
will
improve
that
park.
E
Yeah,
I,
the
main
source
of
vision
for
paying
to
build
the
park,
would
be
new
york
state
park
grants
and
a
lot
of
those
types
of
funding
require
municipal
ownership
of
the
park
to
make
sure
that
that
remains
a
park
in
perpetuity
which
we
would
we
think
is
a
stellar
use
of
the
property.
So
any
part
of
the
the
project
costs
that
would
require
an
equity
contribution
from
visum
that
again,
wouldn't
detract
from
the
affordable
housing
production
that
can
certainly
be
considered.
E
Part
of
the
upfront
project
costs
yeah,
and
I
bet
city
bonds
through
a
bond
issue,
could
also
like
help
to
pay
for
that.
Did
I
answer
your
question.
I
feel
like
I'm
missing.
I.
A
E
So
I
can't
commit
to
specific
numbers
without
working
through
our
spreadsheets,
but
that's
certainly
like
figuring
out
how
many
thousands
of
dollars
would
make
sense
to
contribute
to
really
make
that
happen,
because
we
would
want
a
park
to
be
part
of
this.
That's
a
calculation
that
we
can
do
in-house.
B
A
A
E
E
Well,
one
dollar
is
more
than
zero
right.
Thank
you
not
saying
one
dollar
hypothetically
of
course,
but.
O
Okay,
great
thanks,
I'm
just
wondering
how
big
is
that
area
that
looks
like
the
broken
up
park
pieces
now,
how
big
is
that
like,
if
you
compared
it
to
our
other
parks
in
the
city?
How
how
big
are
those
park
pieces.
E
That's
a
good
question,
so
the
full
spaces
that
we've
designed
is
1.75
acres.
I'm
actually
not
sure
how
big
other
parks
in
the
city
are,
but
we're
taking
design
cues
from
the
great
traditional
parks
of
ithaca.
For
instance,
what
makes
dewitt
park
great
on
three
out
of
its
four
sides.
Is
plentiful
windows
and
doors
bounded
edges
those
trees
that
create
those
senses
of
open
space
nooks
that
help
to
define
the
space.
So
those
are
the
design
cues
that
we've
got
to
yeah
to
make
that
size
manageable,
because
it.
P
E
Great
question:
I
think
that
can
be
achieved
through
the
type,
the
the
way
that
the
pavement
connects
from
the
sidewalk
directly
to
the
waterfront.
We
can
provide
low-key
signage,
saying,
like
a
water
trail,
access
public
access
by
scheduling
events
frequently
on
the
park
using
that
park
lawn
to
show
people
that
this
is
a
place
that
they
can
gather
by
making
sure
the
active
ground
floor
uses,
even
if
they
might
not
be
retail,
are
things
that
draw
people
in
okay.
N
Thank
you,
so
the
hi
patrick
good,
to
see
you
again
good
to
see
you.
The
sense
that
I'm
getting
is
that
there
is
the
housing
components
and
then
everything
outside
of
the
the
three
buildings
that
are
housing
would
be
basically
owned
in
some
ways:
funded
and
operated
and
maintained
by
the
city
that
the
developer
would
help
to
achieve
grants.
N
But
you're
looking
for
the
city
to
basically
be
the
primary
taker
of
caretaker
of
those
public
amenities.
I
am
concerned
with
regards
to
the
parking
garage.
N
I
I
think
I
agree
that
the
parking
garage
opens
up
a
lot
of
space,
but
parking
garage
are
exceptionally
expensive
to
build
and
maintain,
and
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
my
assumption
is
correct
and
I'm
also
assuming
that,
if
you
are
including
the
coast
guard
and
assuming
no
income
from
them,
that
you're,
also
assuming
that
the
city
is
taking
ownership
of
the
coast
guard
component
and
would
be
the
funder
and
take
caretaker
of
that
part
of
the
project.
E
Correct
so
for
the
coast
guard
component:
that's
the
part
that
we
might
need
to
do
a
little
bit
more
digging
to
understand
the
ownership
and
rent
revenue
that
would
come
from
that.
But
for
the
parking
garage
we
would
want
to
build
it
up
front
and
for
the
retail
space
that
would
also
be
privately
owned
and
as
well
as
the
housing
component,
but
yeah
for
the
park
for
the
parking
garage,
long-term
maintenance.
E
If
it
I
mean
we
don't
want
to
burden
the
city
financially
right.
What
we're
trying
to
achieve
is
by
bringing
all
this
affordable,
essential
worker
type
housing
into
the
heart
of
ithaca,
reducing
a
lot
of
the
long-term
social
and
economic
costs
of
people
who
have
to
spend
so
many
hours
of
their
life
commuting
in
and
out
of
the
city
or
spending
so
much
of
their
budget
on
housing.
E
When
really
that
money
could
be
going
toward
entrepreneurship
toward
child
care
toward
kind
of
achieving
what
people
want
to
do
personally,
and
and
that's
why
we
think
of
our
proposal
as
a
truly
public-private
partnership,
where
each
partner
does
what
they
do
best
and
providing
public
infrastructure
is
something
that
the
public
sector
is
exquisite
at
compared
to
the
private
sector.
For
something
like
this,
did
I
answer
your
questions.
There.
B
E
J
E
Those
are
great
questions.
Daycare
can
totally
fit
into
the
ground
floor
programming
for
the
buildings
and
there's
plenty
of
space
to
put
really
great
play
structures.
I
was
just
recently
in
boise,
idaho,
exploring
the
downtown
and
there's
actually
a
non-profit
foundation
owns
a
massive
park
that
has
scattered
place
structures
and
different
types
of
seating
areas.
E
That's
really
open
for
all
ages
and
I
think
to
have
that
kind
of
that
sense
of
by
scattering
those
types
of
features
throughout
the
park
and
encouraging
people
to
move
between
them
that
that
can
make
the
park
attractive
for
families
with
kids
and
even
adults
to
like
interact
like
in,
for
instance,
the
benches
that
swing
or
different
types
of
gardens
for
parents
to
feel
comfortable
that
they
can
see
their
children
and
the
playscapes
are
safe.
B
Thank
you
good
question.
Thanks
george.
Thank
you,
patrick
thanks
for
doing
the
presentation
all
by
yourself
very
great,
and
we
will
just
be
back
in
touch
with
those
additional
follow-up
questions.
B
Steve
just
checking
to
see
your
entire
team
is
here.
Anybody
missing,
oh
scott's
joined
okay,
yeah,
so
steve
flash
is
your
whole
team
here
now
is
everybody
here.
Let
me.
B
There's
jacob
great,
terrific,
okay,
so
yeah,
so
we
have
30
minutes
in
total.
You
know
15
minutes
for
your
presentation
and
then
15
minutes
for
q.
A
and
dialogue
charles
will
be
keeping
time
on
his
iphone.
So
he'll
just
give
you
a
heads
up
when
we're
at
15
minutes
otherwise
I'll
hand
it
off
to
you
either
steve
or
scott
whoever's,
leading.
R
Maybe
I'll
I'll
lead
it
off.
It's
been
great,
thank
you
and
we'll
try
to
be
uncharacteristically
brief.
The
it's
been
fun
watching
these
captions,
though
I
I
really
wanna,
call
it'll
be
forever
old,
titanic
boulevard.
Now,
in
my
mind,
the
it's
also
been
splendid
listening
to
our
friends
and
colleagues,
link
and
noah
and
patrick
can
hear
their
visions.
R
We've
all
talked
about
this
site
for
decades,
I
remember
being
on
the
planning
board
and
talking
with
for
the
inlet
island
guidelines
and
talking
about
the
potential
of
parking
garage
in
this
edge
and
the
parking
deparking
conversation
that
some
of
you
maybe
remember
from
all
those
years
ago.
But
again
it's
it's
great
to
hear
these
new
visions.
R
I
I
think
what
separates
us
and
what
separates
this
project
is
the
team
that
we've
put
together.
That
indeed
has
the
capacity
to
to
really
do
more
of
not
only
inlet
island,
but
the
surrounding
area
so
on.
Our
team
are
steve,
flash
and
and
jeffrey
rimland,
leading
this
at
the
helm
as
it
were,
and
also
inhs
and
joe
bose
will
be
here
to
speak
for
inhs,
and
we
also
my
firm
wpd
has
been
involved
in
city,
harbor
and
carpenter
and
we
just
kicked
off
the
farmer's
market.
R
Q
Steve
good
afternoon,
I'm
here
and
this
part
of
the
presentation
I
will
talk
about
the
home,
tell
building,
which
is
there
on
the
upper
right
there,
approximately
70
units,
it
is
a
it's
not
exactly
an
apartment
and
it's
not
exactly
a
hotel.
It
is
a
place
where
you
can
come.
Q
Each
unit
will
have
a
kitchen
and
a
washer
and
dryer,
and
so
you
have
to
do
your
own
dishes
and
your
own
laundry
unlike
a
hotel
and
you
can
come
and
you
can
stay
for
a
few
days
a
week
a
month.
You
know
four
months
if,
if,
if
needed-
and
there
are
several
advantages
to
this-
this
type
of
hospitality
one
is
that
it
appeals
to
a
broader,
a
broader
population.
Q
Local
people
are
able
to
stay,
it's
a
staycation,
for
example,
on
the
water,
certainly
and
take
advantage
of
the
area
of
businesses
if
you're
in
transition
or
you're.
Here
teaching
for
a
semester
or
you're
looking
for
a
house
and-
and
are
you
know,
this
is
a
place
to
come
and
kind
of
investigate
the
community,
which
is
a
lot
of
people
do.
Q
This
is
something
that
should
be
able
to
stay.
It
also
offers
rooms
at
less
cost
than
a
hotel,
so
there's
considerable
flexibility.
One
of
the
other
major
advantages
of
this
is
that
it
has
and
creates
less
parking
demand
than
a
hotel
and
we'll
talk
about
the
design
later.
But
it's
a
little
bit
south
more
south
of
the
restaurant,
to
allow
the
restaurant
to
to
operate
better
and
the
it
creates
less
parking
demand
in
and
of
itself.
Q
It
doesn't
have
the
amenities
of
a
restaurant,
or
you
know
big
events
or
anything
like
that,
and
so
again
that
fits
better
on
this
relatively
small
site
to
be
able
to
do
this
sort
of
thing,
and
it
is
a
it's
a
design
concept
that
and
a
business
concept
that
will
promote
the
other
businesses.
Q
If
it's
island
health
people
can
come
and
if
they're
staying
for
a
week,
we
certainly
can
give
promotions
to
give
to
for
people
to
work
out
at
island
health
go
across
the
finger
lakes,
boating
center,
rent,
a
pontoon
boat
power
boat,
whatever
go
up
to
the
restaurant,
go
down
to
link's
place
and
rent
a
kayak.
All
of
that
works
well
and
obviously
has
a
great
access
to
the
waterfront
trail.
Q
Additionally,
it
will
provide.
Q
Capital
for
the
improvement
of
the
finger
exploding
center
through
its
solar
array
there,
and
also
it
is
locally
managed.
So
that
means
the
dollars
that
come
in
from
it
are,
will
stay
local
and
that's
a
pretty
major
major
advantage.
So
and
with
that,
I
will
turn
it
over
to
the
design
concept.
To
respect
for
steve
hugo,
to
talk
about.
I
Sure,
thanks
thanks
steve
and
I'm
gonna,
take
probably
less
than
60
seconds
just
to
give
you
some
high
points
of
of
the
building.
But
you
know
the
first
thing
I
wanted
to
point
out,
which
I'm
sure
steve
will
or
scott
will
later,
is
the
the
way
that
the
two
buildings
that
we're
about
to
talk
about
sort
of
have
this
trapezoidal
relationship
to
the
water.
In
creating
this
green
space
along
the
the
waterfront
trail
in
the
form
of
our
affordable
housing
project,
it
will
include
a
playground
in
a
in
a
public
plaza
space.
I
This
building
is
going
to
house
approximately
40,
I'm
sorry
32
studio
units
and
56
one
bedroom
units,
and
it
is
approximately
five-story
building.
We
intentionally
show
it
in
the
form
of
a
hand
sketch
at
this
point.
As
we
know
in
design
we
like
to
engage
with
the
city
and
the
planning
board
and
the
ultimate
design
of
a
building,
but
we
did
want
you
to
be
able
to
understand
the
scale
of
it
as
represented
in
some
of
our
our
3d
images.
I
A
building
like
this
on
the
waterfront
should
have
balconies
for
every
single
unit,
and
all
of
our
both
buildings
will
have
exactly
that.
You
know
living
on
the
water
being
connected
to
the
water.
I
These
units
would
primarily
face
east
and
west,
but
the
balconies
would
provide
opportunities
to
look
north
and
south
up
the
lake
and
and
down
the
canal.
As
with
most
of
the
projects
we
develop
in
ithaca,
we
will
you
know
we
are
establishing
sustainability
goals.
We've
already.
I
The
development
team,
even
before
we
were
involved,
had
reached
out
to
renovus
and
we're
trying
to
maximize
on-site
solar
for
this
project,
and
I'm
sure
we
would
be
looking
at
electric
source,
heat
pumps
or
vrf
systems
in
probably
both
of
these
buildings,
and
with
that
I'll
I'll
hand
it
back
to
joe.
I
think.
L
Thanks
steve,
so
I'm
joe
boze,
I'm
the
director
of
real
estate,
development
with
inhs
and
inhs
is
really
excited
to
be
a
part
of
the
finger
lakes
development
team.
We
see
this
as
an
exciting
opportunity
to
provide
high
quality,
well-managed
mixed-income
housing
on
ithaca's
inlet
island.
As
I
know
you
all
are
aware.
Inhs
has
a
43-year
history
of
providing
affordable
housing
in
the
city.
L
This
particular
project
we've
designed
with
one
and
two
bedroom
apartments,
it's
primarily
geared
towards
small
families
and
individuals,
earning
very
low
low
and
moderate
incomes.
So
a
real
mix
of
incomes,
one
and
two
bedroom
apartments,
as
well
as
a
community
room.
Laundry
facilities
covered
bike
storage
office,
space
for
on-site,
inhs
maintenance
and
management
staff,
inhs
will
manage
the
property
and
a
playground
designed
as
as
part
of
the
as
part
of
the
site,
so
steve.
L
If
you
have
other
sort
of
design
level
information,
I'm
going
to
turn
it
back
over
to
you.
I
Sure
it's
similar
to
the
other
structure.
You
know
we
are
talking
a
similar
number
of
stories,
double
loaded
corridor
building
approximately
again,
you
know
this
is
early
in
design,
but
approximately
41
bedrooms
and
16
two
bedrooms,
as
jill
mentioned-
and
I
know
there
was
a
question
previously
about
playgrounds,
in
fact,
with
a
project
like
this,
our
projects
that
we
fund
through
the
department
of
housing
and
community
renewal
they
they
require
really
a
separate
playground
for
children.
I
Similarly,
I
I'm
super
excited
been
able
to
work
on
a
number
of
projects
with
ithaca
neighborhood
housing,
but,
to
find
you
know
a
premier
location
on
the
water
and
provide
you
know.
True,
affordable
housing
on
the
water
is
exciting,
just
like
the
other
building
every
unit
would
have
a
balcony
with
opportunities
to
look.
You
know
north
northeast
southeast,
in
sort
of
all
directions.
Both
you
know,
the
views
to
the
east
and
west
are
absolutely
beautiful,
as
well
as
being
able
to
look
up
and
up
and
down
the
canal.
I
We,
we
are
I'll
just
point
out
a
couple
of
things
that
joe
mentioned
in
this
case.
I
We
do
have
an
opportunity
to
provide
and
conceal
some
of
the
parking
underneath
the
building,
so
in
this
hand,
sketch
rendering
the
section
to
the
left,
where
you
see
some
sort
of
shrubbery
covering
about
two-thirds
of
the
facade,
we
would
have
under-building
parking
convenient
there
for
the
tenants
to
walk
right
into
the
lobby
and
that
sort
of
headpiece
of
the
building
facade
at
the
north
end
would
house
primarily
those
amenities
that
joe
mentioned,
like
a
community
room.
I
R
R
We
didn't
mention
that
we
had
been
joined
in
this
effort
as
a
collaborator
by
the
agora
project
immediately
across
the
water,
the
lambro
development
and
team,
so
that
we're
able
not
only
with
the
properties
that
we
already
have
control
of
as
a
project
team
and
with
the
city
properties,
but
also
the
lambro
properties,
and
we
really
have
an
opportunity
here
to
create
a
waterfront
master
plan
that
that
can
be
really
splendid
and
connected
and
open
public
open
space
having
a
real
park
along
the
top
edge
that
relates
not
only
to
the
affordable
but
to
the
home,
tell,
and
to
the
public
to
really
strengthen
the
experience
of
that
public
waterfront
edge,
the
trails
that
are
immediately
adjacent
and
making
sure
that
we
have
connection
to
those.
R
We
appreciate
some
of
the
comments,
fernando
derragon's
comments,
in
particular
about
that
connectivity
and
those
are
all
issues
we're
looking
at
of
how
bikes
how
pedestrians
and
how
cars
get
here.
R
I'm
sure
in
ithaca
is
to
talk
about
the
parking
issues
and
a
wonderful
opportunity
to
to
disagree
on
how
many
cars
and
how
few
cars
I
think
we
found
a
sweet
spot
with
this
at
about
2
25,
while
maintaining
the
the
the
existing
buildings
and
strengthening
those
and
strengthening
their
operation
at
finger
lakes
boating
center,
and
also
the
boatyard
grill
in
particular,
as
well
as
our
neighbors
over
across
the
way
at
huge
med
and
inlet,
island,
health
and
and
all
the
other
neighbors
we
have
here
and
also
making
sure
that
the
space
remains
open
and
doesn't
feel
over
parked.
R
R
The
the
sustainability
of
the
our
sustainability
goals
are
built
right
into
our
planning
and
right
into
the
site,
design
again
with
that
connectivity
and
into
the
building
themselves
steve.
I
don't
know
if
you
want
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
some
of
the
goals
that
initially
you're
looking
at
with
with
the
buildings.
I
Yeah
I'll
be
very
brief,
as
I
mentioned
before,
you
can
see
that
we're
investigating
you
know
these
buildings
being
flat.
Roofed
buildings
maximizing
the
the
on-site
solar
to
the
degree
that
we
can
the
inhs
building
is,
you
know,
joe,
could
probably
tell
you
too.
I
think
all
of
our
ithaca
projects,
and
probably
all
of
our
projects
with
inhs,
have
achieved
some
level
of
lead,
some,
a
number
of
them
platinum,
so
the
highest
levels
of
lead,
and
so
it's
very
early
in
this
process.
I
But
you
know
joe
has
you
know,
suggested
that
we
should
at
least
shoot
for
gold
on
this
project.
So
you
know
who
knows?
Maybe
we
can
do
better
and
then
the
stage
building
as
well
we'd
be
looking
at
electric
source.
You
know
heat
pump
systems
or
vrs
systems
that
utilize,
electric
and
taking
advantage
of
of
the
you
know
solar
energy.
I
We
can
capture
on
site,
that's
not
to
exclude
off-site
solar
if
we
needed
to
balance
things
out
with
with
off-site
solar,
and
you
know
just
the
nature
of
this
being
sort
of
in
an
urban
area
and
near
public
transportation
is
in
itself.
You
know
a
sustainable
approach
and
we
would
certainly
try
to
you
know
follow
through
on
on
those
other
sustainable
strategies.
D
I
B
All
right,
thank
you
for
that
for
that,
charles.
So
if
you
have
a
couple
other
points
that
you
can
leave
them
into
responses
to
questions
charlie,
I
just
will
go
back
to
you
again
for
the
first
question
for
this
round.
M
Q
Yeah,
I
I
think
I'll
try
to
answer
that
one
well,
the
sooner
the
better
is
is
the
first
answer
with
respect
to
inward
island
and
us
and
the
city
parcel.
They
are
the
lambro
agora
side,
I
mean
they
are
independent,
but
they
are
also
connected.
One
is
not
dependent
upon
the
other
either
way,
so
we're
really
primarily
focused
on
this
city
parcel.
Q
You
know
time
is
of
the
essence
right
now,
given
the
current
economic
state
and
the
pressures
that
that
our
face
we're
facing
both
with
respect
to
the
inflationary,
oppressor
pressures
as
well
as
commodities
and
the
cost
of
construction.
S
I
can
speak
to
the
gora
side,
we're
gonna
move
forward
with
you
know.
We've
got
a
lot
of
planning
behind
our
behind
us,
but
we're
gonna
move
forward
on
sort
of
a
phase,
one
which
will
include
a
lot
of
the
entertainment
parts
of
the
project
so
like
a
new
music
venue,
an
association
with
dan
smalls
and
kevin
sullivan
from
luna,
as
well
as
working
towards
opening
up
a
tap
room
with
lucky
hair
and
trying
to
utilize
existing
corks
and
more
building
which
has
been
underutilized
for,
I
guess
over
10
years
now.
S
So
that's
going
to
happen
in
the
next
six
to
12
months.
M
And
as
the
pedestrian
bridge,
part
of
which
proposal
are
both
proposals.
R
We're
looking
at
that
right
now,
there's
actually
a
lot
of
thinking
about
where
larger
boats
stop,
where
sailboats
stop
the
way
that
that's
constructed,
and
we
could.
We've
talked
at
that
at
length,
but
that'll
that'll
be
beginning
the
planning
as
part
of
agora
and
then
be
completed
as
part
of
the
the
the
inlet
island
project.
But
that
could
be
really
splendid.
M
And
can
you
talk
a
little
bit
about?
I
mean
there's
a
lot
of
discussion
in
the
proposal
about
the
importance
of
space
for
the
shall
we
say,
the
more
industrial
uses
of
the
the
boat
yard
or
the
boat
center
there.
How
do
you,
it
seems
like
that,
could
be
incompatible
with
some
of
the
other
proposed
uses.
Hair.
Are
you
concerned
about
that
in
terms
of
the
large
machinery,
large
number
of
boat
storage
and
so
on,
steve
flash?
Yes,.
Q
Thank
you
for
for
asking
that
question.
So
ours
is
the
only
project
that
can
actually
it
comes
from
the
heart.
It
comes
from
the
business
owners
who
have
invested
over
the
last
20
years,
a
huge
amount
of
time
and
expense
in
developing
the
lakes
boating
center,
the
boatyard,
grill
and
and
iowan
health,
and
so
those
all
have
parking
demands
and
use
demands.
Q
Q
So
the
our
plan
shows
you'll
see
in
the
site
plan
that
we
have
an
ability
for
the
you
see,
boat,
lift
indicated
there,
that's
where
the
finger
exploding,
center,
hauls
and
launches
its
boats
from,
and
it
goes
back
towards,
the
inhs
building
that
is
critical
to
allow
that
entire
business
to
continue
to
thrive
and
to
supply
access
to
boaters
on
this
lake,
and
without
that,
this
business
is
severely
severely
hampered
as
well
as
access.
Q
These
are
critical
to
any
development
down
here
in
terms
of
the
jobs
that
we
that
we
have
at
the
at
the
boating
center
there's
full-time
employment
of
skilled
technicians
who-
and
it's
recited
in
our
proposal,
who
need
to
be
allowed
to
continue
to
offer
these
services
to
all
the
boaters
and
provide
the
access.
Q
R
Just
to
add
in
a
larger
planning
sense,
this
proposal
is
one
of
a
real
working
waterfront
community,
so
that
not
only
is
there
a
range
of
housing.
Is
there
guest
housing?
Is
there
public
open
space,
but
a
working
waterfront?
That
is,
that
is
knitted
well
into
that
plan,
and
that
really
is
the
goal
of
of
our
team.
Q
Q
So,
yes,
they
are
incorporated
into
it.
You'll
see
the
the
playground
and
the
open
spaces
to
the
west
of
the
inhs
buildings
there
that
is
there
and
we
protect
and
preserve
and
do
not
encroach
upon
the
waterfront
the
trail
going
along
there.
Additionally,
we've
thought
we
proposed
and
actually
have
designed
a
dock
that
would
go
off
to
the
north
end
that
we
would
pay
for
and
allow
the
connection
to
go
around
the
connection
as
it
exists.
Q
Now
it's
not
falling
in
it's
perfectly
strong
and
it
is
gravel
and
you
can
walk
around
the
point
and
then
we
bring
it
all
the
way
around.
On
the
eastern
side,
that's
right
and
then
the
walking
access
continues,
avoids
the
the
operations
of
the
finger
lakes
boating
center,
where
you
don't
really
want
people
walking
if
boats
are
moving
in
or
out,
but
instead
crosses
the
boulevard
and
then
goes
in
front
of
the
two
buildings
there.
Q
So
there
is
a
connectivity,
and
ours
also
is
a
proposal
that
is
proposing
a
fair
market
value
for
the
city,
for
the
city
of
property
and
for
the
parking
parking
management
which
I
would
expect
would
be
by
meters.
Primarily,.
R
H
Hey
chris,
could
I
ask
one
more
question:
yeah,
of
course,
jordan
go
ahead.
Yeah
thanks
is
the
playground
going
to
be
public,
or
is
it
just
for
that
building.
R
L
So
we
would
envision
it
similar
to
what
we
did
over
on
the
north
side
at
210
hancock,
where
we
developed
the
playground,
but
it's
basically
open
to
the
public.
H
Okay
and
then
the
same
question
about
the
new
kind
of
boat
access
there,
the
the
smaller
boat
access,
it's
on
the
west
side
there
and
then
what's
that
lookout
point,
are
those
places
where,
like
members
of
the
public
could
put
in
a
kayak.
Q
D
Q
Let
me
if
I
could
tackle
that
one.
Yes,
the
one
off
the
north
point
would
be
public
and,
I
think,
would
be
privately
installed,
but
it
would
be
for
the
public
and
the
dock
that
is
showing
on
the
flood
control
channel
is
actually
it
already
exists,
and
what
we
seek
to
do
is
have
that
coast
guard
auxiliary
building
which
is
owned
by
the
state.
Q
We
would
acquire
it
and
we
would
allow
the
coast
guard,
and
hopefully
a
conglomeration
of
waterfront
uses
to
be
able
to
utilize
that
and
maintain
that,
and
then
we
would
also
be
having
that
dock
open,
truly
open
for
the
public.
Q
So
the
public
safety
purposes
of
the
auxiliary
would
continue
to
exist
and
in
fact,
would
would
be
fostered.
H
Q
Yes,
so
right
now,
the
operations
are
that
those
you
know
large
boat,
lift
equipment
has
to
be
able
to
pull
out
and
then
take
the
boats
for
their
winter
storage.
Q
You
know
it's
hundreds
of
boats
and
it's
used
at
different
times
more
intensely,
and
so
yes,
that's
designed
to
allow
that
large,
trailer
and
equipment
to
be
able
to
operate
and
pull
the
when
the
boats
come
out
of
the
left.
It's
the
only
lift
in
the
southern
end
of
kugelais.
We
are
now
the
only
access
for
boats,
and
so
it
is
critical
that
we
continue
to
be
able
to
operate,
and
that
is
designed
to
allow
that
to
happen.
H
D
Q
And
we
pay
for
it
and
have
been
paying
for
it,
and
you
know
we'll
continue
to
pay
for
it
and
have
for
for
decades,
and
it
that's
also.
I
mean
it's
a
true
again,
partnership
that
allows
this
business
to
be
able
to
survive,
and
and
actually
it's
become
even
more
important.
Since
city
harbor
came
in
and
the
other
marina
you
know
went
away.
We
are
now
the
only
going
game
in
town
and
all
the
boats
that
you
see
at
freeman
come
through
us.
H
Okay
and
then
the
parking
issue
on
the
boatyard
grill
is
there's
in.
If
this
were
completed
by
your
proposal,
you
would
end
up
with
more
parking
for
boatyard
than
is
currently
there.
It's
it's
hard
for
me
to
see
like
the
before
pictures
here,
because
some
of
the
other
proposals
don't
have
any
additional
parking
on
that
side.
Q
Q
L
H
D
Well,
I
didn't
have
my
time
on,
but
it's
it's
definitely
been
15
minutes
worth
of
q.
A
that's.
B
Fine
all
right,
so,
let's
pause
here
and
thanks
to
the
two
steves
and
scott
and
joe
for
a
discussion
today
and
yeah.
I
think
I
think
I
suspect
we
might
have
a
consolidated
set
of
next
questions
that
you
might
get
feedback
from
us
before
we
meet
again
in
june.
D
B
B
Yeah,
likewise,
charles,
where
are
we
in
terms
of
people
who
might
want
to
be
making
public
comments?
There.
B
Great
okay,
so
why
don't
we
invite
people
in
for
their
public
comment
with
three
minutes
each
that
should
give
us
a
few
minutes
at
the
end
to
kind
of
plan
on
some
next
steps
or
common
questions.
We
want
to
go
back
to
each
other.
B
All
right
so
just
welcome
everybody,
we're
gonna.
It
looks
like
there's
enough
of
you.
We're
gonna
allow
three
minutes
per
participant
for
public
comment
to
the
to
the
committee.
Thank
you,
charles
for
putting
up
the
timer
that
makes
it
not
just
need
to
open
this
participant
list
so.
B
B
D
B
B
E
All
right,
thank
you
very
much
for
microphones
open
if
people
could
close
it
down
to
one.
I
pass
move
on
to
the
next
person.
Thank
you.
B
B
B
B
That's
like
no
okay,
diana
robinson
nope,
very
good.
This
is
going
to
go
really
fast.
Aaron
martial.
T
T
You
mentioned
a
whole
bunch
of
folks,
businesses
on
inlet
island
that
have
been
investing
for
20
years
in
the
west
end
waterfront,
and
I
just
want
to
give
voice
to
the
many
non-profits
that
are
doing
that
as
well
and
that
are
helping
to
make
the
waterfront
a
place
that
people
want
to
be
already
and
so
I'd
love
to
see
these
proposals
and
designs
evolve
to
to
recognize
that
proximity
to
the
children's
garden,
which
is
a
three
acre
public
space
immediately
across
the
inlet
to
to
just
recognize
that
that
is
an
asset
and
how
to
you
know
how
do
the?
T
How
do
the
designs
relate
to
that
discover?
Kuga
lake,
the
unbroken
promise
initiative,
hanger
theater.
You
know
there
are
many
other
waterfront
non-profits
that,
as
far
as
I
know,
maybe
haven't
been
engaged
as
much
as
they
could
be
in
this
huge
development
that
will
really
make
an
impact
on
the
community
on
tourism
and
also
our
local
community.
So
this
is
just
me
saying:
I'd
love
to
be
better
included
and
and
have
the
voices
of
the
other
local
nonprofits
that
are
included.
B
Great
aaron,
thanks
for
coming
today,
thanks
for
watching
jay
watson,
hey
watson
too,.
C
Hello,
thank
you
for
opening
this
up
to
the
public.
I
have
a
couple
of
quick
questions,
but
I
just
want
to
finish
before
those
questions
are
answered.
I've
heard
I've
listened
to
all
the
proposals
and
thank
you
for
thoughtfully
presenting
them.
We
really
appreciate
that
I've
been
a
boater
in
this
area
for
about
25
years.
I've
worked
for
marine
services
for
five
years
connected
to
the
state,
and
I
did
hear
someone
mention
the
critical
infrastructure
on
the
inlet.
C
C
I
also
value
low-income
housing,
but
there
is
limited
infrastructure
when
it
comes
to
marine
infrastructure.
These
things
are
supported
by
federal
grants,
preserving
waterways
or
vessels
26
foot
and
above
I'm
wondering
if
folks
that
are
touting
canoes
and
kayaks.
Nothing
against
that.
I
own
three
canoes
and
one
kayak:
do
they
realize
how
much
draft
you
need
to
float?
A
kayak
and
how
much
draft
you
need
to
float
a
26-foot
boat,
let
alone
a
56-foot
boat
ithaca.
C
C
I
think
it's
a
wonderful
idea,
but
in
doing
so
look
at
your
entire
waterfront
area,
look
at
stuart
park
recognize
that
these
very
large
boats
need
to
come
out
of
the
water
somewhere.
I
know
there
was
a
question
that
was
put
forth
to
noah
about.
Will
you
affect
any
of
the
businesses
and
the
answer
is
absolutely
not,
but
in
fact
I'd
like
to
know
to
noah,
where
will
all
the
vessels
be
stored
that
are
going
to
be
removed
from
there?
C
I
heard
a
couple
of
other
questions.
I
don't
want
to
overstep
my
time.
Thank
you
very
much.
I
think
ithaca
has
a
unique
opportunity,
and
in
doing
so
you
can
put
low
income
housing
anywhere.
I
think
it's
important
to
take
care
of
each
other,
but
this
is
an
industry
that
has
suffered
throughout
the
country,
which
is
why
they're
federal
grants
for
protecting
26,
foot,
dockage
and
above
so
realize.
If
you
push
out
an
infrastructure,
there
will
be
no
large
boats
there.
B
Great
jen,
thank
you
so
much
for
coming
and
thanks
for
your
comments
and
questions-
and
I
see
kevin,
I
think
kevin
walsh
might
be
our
last
member
of
the
public,
so
kevin.
If
you
want
to
speak,
feel
free
on
newton,
charles,
we'll
start
the
timer.
P
Okay,
thank
you
sorry
flotilla.
I
am
the
commander
of
the
flotilla.
2-2
coast
guard
auxiliary
in
ithaca.
We've
been
serving
the
recreational
boating
community
on
cuga
lake
since
1942..
P
P
Our
base
is
run
as
a
non-profit,
with
a
persistent,
no
rent
lease
from
the
new
york
state
dec,
which
grants
us
the
use
of
the
property
and
building
at
508
old,
tectonic
boulevard,
the
service
we
provide
to
the
cuba
lake
community
cost
the
lakeside
communities,
nothing.
Our
operational
and
public
education
costs
are
largely
provided
for
by
the
contributions
and
fundraising
efforts
of
our
members.
P
P
Our
training
and
readiness
are
practiced
and
carried
out
continuously
by
dedicated
volunteers.
Specifics
of
our
mission
include
training
the
public
with
our
boat
america.
Recreational
boating
safety
course
required
by
new
york
state
for
recreational
boat
operators
performing
vessel
safety
inspections,
performing
safety,
patrols
on
cuga
lake
and
the
inlet
participating
in
search
and
rescue
missions
and
augmenting
coast
guard
personnel,
where
needed
an
example
of
the
value
of
our
organization
is
that,
just
yesterday
our
volunteers
are
on
the
phone
to
the
new
york
state
canal
corporation
reporting.
P
P
This
new
obstruct
this
new
obstruction
was
discovered
by
volunteer
coast
guard
auxiliary
members
and
reported
by
them
to
the
canal
corporation
for
their
action.
So
far
as
we
know,
no
other
entity
detected
the
existence
of
this
increased
sandbar
or
has
done
any
anything
to
mitigate
the
safety
problem.
On
the
cuba
inlet,
we
provide
a
vital
service
to
the
local
community
and
we
appreciate
the
developers
who
have
recognized
that
and
we
would
ask
that
we
be
included
in
any
decisions
that
are
made.
Thank
you
very
much
for
allowing
me
to
speak.
B
Kevin
great,
thank
you
very
much
thanks
for
coming
today
and
thanks
for
the
work
that
you
and
the
volunteers
are
doing
as
well.
Keep
the
waterways
safe.
I
think
that's
it.
I
don't
think
there
are
any
other
public
comments.
B
So,
okay,
I'm
going
to
ass,
not
and
again
for
those
of
you
watching
youtube
stream.
Again,
we
are
welcoming
written
comments.
You
can
send
those
to
the
ura
and
also
a
public
comment
at
our
meeting
in
june.
Doug
had
to
drop
off
charlie
and
nels,
and
so
he
ran
out
of
time
and
we're
close
to
our
bewitching
hour
overall,
but
I
think
maybe
we
could
just
wrap
up.
B
I
think,
there's
I
heard
three
things
that
I
thought
kind
of
across
all
applicants
that
potentially
we
need
to
follow
up
on
that
either
we
asked
or
didn't
ask
consistently,
but
I
have
at
least
three.
Let
me
just
review
what
I
have,
because
it's
also
not
clear
from
proposal
proposal
right.
So
one
is
just
clarifying
again.
B
So
all
three
of
them
are
presented
that
in
slightly
different
ways,
clarifying
tiganic
boulevard
and
I'm
not
sure,
they've-
all
proposed
keeping
it
as
a
city
street
and
whether
or
not
any
of
them
are
proposed,
taking
that
into
private
ownership
and
any
responsibility
again
for
the
city
for
reconstructing
organic
boulevard
or
old
chemical
guard,
it
should
be,
and
then
the
question
that
charlie
was
asking,
but
I
don't
think
we
got
it
to
everybody
which
was
looking
at
the
tax
revenue
implications
for
the
city
and
net,
of
course,
of
any
abatements
or
pilot
right.
B
That
would
be
potentially
negotiated
with
the
idea
or
other
parties.
So
those
are
three
big
areas
that
I
thought
kind
of.
If
we
had
consistent
information
across
each
of
the
applicants
would
be
useful
and
it
was
not
treated
equally
the
same
in
all
their
proposals.
H
Charlie,
so
on
the
land
acquisition
cost,
it
was
presented
slightly
differently
in
in
the
first
proposal
and
the
second,
so
one
had
land
acquisition
and
cleanup
at
a
million
dollars
and
one
just
had
a
2.1
million
acquisition
cost.
H
The
other
question
comes
to
like
impact
on
the
existing
businesses
right,
so
I
asked
a
question
of
one
of
them
and
then
the
answer
was
well
we're
not
doing
anything
outside
of
these
red
lines
and
the
thing
is
the
the
existing
businesses.
Already
you
have
relation,
I
don't
know
the
nature
of
those
relationships,
so
maybe
that's
like
a
staff
question
so
like,
for
instance,
the
boat,
the
the
dock.
H
Sorry,
the
boat
issue
right
so
they're,
taking
the
big
equipment
back
over
the
city
land
and
they
pay
for
that
in
some
way,
I
don't
know
is
that
an
easement
is
that
something
that
every
project
needs
to
accommodate,
so
one
has
one
project
has
trees
in
the
way
and
the
other
project
has
the
driveway
for
the
parking
garage.
A
H
That
and
then
the
second
part
of
that
question
is
really
the
parking
right
so
which
everybody,
I
think
knows
is
my
least
favorite
subject
just
for
the
record,
but
it
looks
like
the
the
boatyard
grill
and
even
the
dock,
which
isn't
even
here
in
in
these
conversations,
use
some
of
the
existing
parking
later
at
night
like
on
fridays
and
saturdays,
and
then
the
island,
health
and
fitness
uses
some
of
that
parking
as
well.
So
is
there
any
formalized.
H
Is
that
is
that
quantified
in
any
way
or
or
is
there
a
relationship
there?
If,
if
we
lose
that
with
a
larger
project
in
terms
of
larger
number
of
housing
units,
for
instance,
then
there's
an
impact
on
the
existing
businesses
and
I'm
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
quantify
that.
A
I
think
we
can
clarify
that
as
well.
The
city
did
make
a
commitment
years
ago
to
provide
80
parking
spaces
on
that
island
to
support
area-wide
businesses,
and
I
think
each
of
these
developers
have
incorporated
that
somehow
in
their
project.
I
think
we
can
get
more
clarity
where
those
spaces
are
so
we
could
better
understand
that
impact
and
and
of
course,
who's,
owning
and
who's
managing
seems
to
be
a
little
bit
unclear
in
some
of
these
proposals
as
well.
For
that
public
parking.
H
Yeah
and
and
then
maybe
to
chris's
point-
and
I
applaud
you
for
trying
to
get
it
commonized
across
everything
like
how
much
parking
do
the
new
unit
do
the
new
things
there
need
so
like
just
looking
at
the
last
one
they've
got
the
anchor
and
the
stays.
How
much
parking
do
those
new
things
need
and
then
the
other
has
three
low
income
housing
units?
How
much
new
parking
does
that
need?
And
then
the
other
has
two
units
and
a
hotel.
H
B
A
B
T
H
Yeah,
so
just
can
you
just
ask
them
how
much
new
parking
do
the
things
that
you're
building
need
so
like
vism,
for
instance,
has
121
units
they've
got
110
parking,
garage
spaces
and
60
on
street
spaces,
so
how
many
of
those
are
going
to
be
used
up
by
the
121
units
so
just
and
ask
the
same
question
to
each
developer?
How
many,
how
many
parking
spots
do
you
need
because
of
what
you
are
proposing
to
build.
A
H
B
A
B
D
H
A
It's
not
a
contract,
but
it
was
in
some
pla
in
planning
documents
and
then
development
documents.
It's
it's
common
council
could
modify
that
if
they
chose
to
the
the
existing
agreement,
calls
for
a
voluntary
payment
from
three
property
owners
on
the
island
and
in
return
for
the
city
committee,
not
to
meter
the
large
parking
lot
on
the
island
right
now.
Okay,
so
there's
there's,
but
we
can
clarify
those.
H
Yeah
yeah,
I
think
it
should
be
clarified
because
there's
a
lot
of
public
there's
a
lot
of
people
here
that,
like
I
think
I
understood
what
you
said,
but
we
need
to
write
it
down.
Q
B
Okay,
and
maybe
I'll
just
see
if
our
council
or
agency
colleagues
have
anything
else,
you
would
like
us
to
add
to
the
list
of
things
that
we
would
require
as
a
next
round
of
questions
of
the
applicants,
anything
that
we
didn't
talk
about,
that
you'd
love
to
see
covered
for
the
next
round.
N
You
know,
as
charlie,
raises
some
very
good
questions
with
regards
to
the
relationship
the
city
has
in
terms
of
parking
for
area
businesses,
I'm
definitely
seeing
in
the
chat
and-
and
I
think
it
also
needs
to
be
articulated.
N
And,
and
honestly,
I
don't
even
know
who
would
be
responsible
for
this
plan,
because
the
city
is
now
distinctively
changing
the
use
of
an
area
that
under
current
uses,
is
pretty
empty
during
the
winter
time.
Therefore,
allowing
for
boat
storage.
N
But
if
we
change
this
use,
there
will
be
no
capacity
for
boat
storage
on
the
island,
so
who,
then
is
is
responsible
or
what
is
the
plan
to
address
boat
storage
so
that
we
can
continue
to
support
the
boating
industry,
the
boating
community
and
and
this
cherish
resource
on
the
south
end
of
the
lake
and
again
it
seems
unfair
to
put
that
burden
directly
on
the
proposed
developers
per
se.
But
I
do
think
it's
something
that
needs
to
be
thought
out
and
planned
for
if
the
city
is
undertaking,
this.
D
H
H
B
A
I
just
wondered
about
making
sure
we
have
commitments
from
the
partners
who
they've
identified
as
playing
a
role
in
their
project,
investment
or
ownership.
They've
included
some,
but
in
some
cases
I
don't
think
we
have
very
comp.
We
don't
have
confirmation
of
their
role
in
the
project
in
terms
of
financial
commitment.
I
think
the
biggest
example
there
is,
I'm
not
really
clear
who's
operating
and
the
home
tell
right.
We
didn't
see
that
there's
not
clearly
a
member
of
the
team,
that's
associated
with
that
aspect
of
the
project.
A
So
if
we
could,
I
would
suggest
a
kind
of
a
cross-cutting
question
about
the
roles
of
the
members
they've
identified,
who
have
major
roles
in
magic
to
get
confirmation.
B
And
I
think
right
so
I
think
anything
right.
It's
a
confirmation
partners
that
they've
listed
right
and
then
like
yeah,
who
are
the
operators,
for
example,
you
use
the
hotel
but
who's
the
operators,
who's
gonna,
be
the
management
of
the
affordable
housing
that
is
being
proposed
by
vision,
for
example.
Right
do
they
have
a
partner
in
mind?
Is
that
partner
on
board
et
cetera?
So
I
think
that's
a
good
question
across
all
three
applicants
as
well.
H
B
Yeah
one
more
time
just
for
everybody's
benefit.
Actually,
so
we
are
meeting
again
just
the
second
tuesday
in
june,
which
would
be
the
eighth.
Is
that
correct
nails?
It's
in
the
meeting
packet?
I
got
to
go
okay,
so
we
will
be.
Thank
you
very
much.
I
should
have
me
pack
it
up
as
well.
I
do
here
somewhere,
I've
got
a
lot
of
tabs
open,
so
we're
going
to
meet
again
on
june,
8th,
where
we
will
hopefully
receive
information
in
advance
of
all
this.
B
So
we'll
figure
out
a
deadline
else
to
put
in
there
to
get
a
deadline
for
getting
all
the
information
and
we're
going
to
score
the
applicants
based
on
the
grid,
which,
hopefully
you
have
using
the
scoring
criteria
and
either
you
know
a
recommendation,
will
emerge
or
a
recommendation
of
no
recommendation
will
emerge
right
so,
but
our
goal
would
be
to
come
with
a
recommendation
out
of
that
meeting,
which
we
would
then
send
on
to
the
full
agency
board
on
for
the
last
meeting
in
june,
which
it
looks
like
will
be
the
24th
of
june,
and
then
they
would
consider
that
recommendation
and
if
they
want
to
then
identify
proposed
preferred
developer.
B
B
A
B
Very
good,
thank
you
for
that,
and,
as
always
charles
thanks
for
all
your
support
and
logistics,
there's
a
lot
of
juggling
going
on
today,
letting
people
in
and
out.
So
I
appreciate
that
appreciate
everybody
who
came
from
the
public
from
the
agency
board
from
common
council.
Thank
you
for
the
comments
in
chat
charles.
If
you
could
save
the
chat,
maybe
that
would
just
be
useful.
There's
some
additional
comments
there.
That
might
be.
B
We
could
just
add
to
our
written
comment,
stack
and
I'm
sure
we'll
see
some
of
you
on
june,
8th
as
well.
Thank
you
very
much
and
we'll
join
the
meeting
of
a
motion
to
return.
Actually,
if
you
can't
even
do
that,
construction.