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A
Let
me-
and
you
know,
as
I
was
working
through
the
minutes-
I
realized
that
you
asked
for
that
to
be
sent
to
you.
I
already
did
not
meet
last
month
or
yeah
in
september.
We
were
going
to
also
just
discuss
it
with
them
and
so
in
discussing
with
nels
I
asked
you
know.
Should
I
bring
a
resolution
to
this
committee
and
he
said
well
actually
as
long
as
we
fulfill
all
of
the
hud's
requirements
it
doesn't,
there
doesn't
need
to
be
a
resolution.
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A
Yeah,
what
would
happen
is
december.
First,
we
would
release
or
the
first
week
of
december
we
would
release
the
rfp
to
people.
The
organizational
meetings
that
need
to
occur
might
occur
at
the
november
meeting
of
ni
or
ira,
but
I've
also,
when
I
looked
over
our
notes,
I
think
we've
also
done
it
in
the
past.
We've
also
done
it
in
the
same
month
as
the
rfp
was
released,
so
I
will
get
that
you
know
again.
I
don't
think
it
says
that
you
have
to
do
it
at
a
certain
date.
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A
D
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A
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A
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A
Yeah,
I
am
so,
as
I
think
you
probably
all
remember
from
the
number
of
resolutions
that
you
had
to.
Oh
no,
you
didn't
have
to
because
nell's
granted
a
number
of
120
day
extensions
for
the
cv
and
2019
projects,
and
this
really
had
to
do
with.
As
you
know,
as
we've
been
talking
about,
the
projects
got
really
backed
up
because
of
the
pandemic,
and
normally
any
project
can
request
an
like
administrative
extension
that
nils
is
enabled
to
give
for
120
days.
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A
So,
really
the
only
one
that
reached
out
saying
that
they
needed
an
extension
was
catholic
charities
to
their
cdbg
cv
security
deposits
and,
as
you
know,
from
reviewing
the
grant
summary
on
a
monthly
basis.
You
know
it's
been
really
hard
for
them
to
get
those
out
the
door,
because
they've
actually
moratorium
is
in
place.
A
They
discuss
with
me
a
number
of
ideas
that
they
have
to
request
of
the
board,
how
they
could
modify
their
contracts,
that
you
know,
because
they
still
have
2019
funds
to
spend
down
the
cdbgb
funds
to
spend
down.
2020
security,
deposit
funds
and
they've
just
been
awarded
2021..
They
expressed
that
they
were
very
concerned.
They
didn't
want
to.
A
You
know
they.
They
wondered
if
ira
felt
that
they
were
not
being
good
stewards
of
the
the
program
because
they
weren't
able
to
spend
down
the
the
money.
I
assured
them
that
ira
is
very
aware
that
you
know
moving
is
not
something
that's
happening
right
now,
but
regardless,
so
they
have
a
number
of
different
ideas,
how
they
would
like
to
sorry.
A
Here
but
oh
no
there's
another,
I
think
he
needs
to
come
back
in.
They
have
a
number
of
ideas,
but
they're
still
developing
them.
So
I
think
that
they'll
be
ready
to
ask
them
to
submit
a
letter
when
they're
ready,
and
so
I
think
that
by
next
month
they'll
be
able
to
come
to
you
for
that.
But
my
point
is
that
none
of
the
other
projects
have
submitted
their
extension
letter.
A
I've
been
reaching
out
to
them
and
it
seems
like
probably
they
do-
need
an
extension
they're
not
going
to
finish
by
october,
28th
or
november
28th,
or
the
the
dates
that
they
have
to
expire,
but
it
seems
like
they
need
more
time
to
figure
out
what
it
is
they're
asking
for
so
nells,
and
I
discussed
this
because
it's
work
in
kind
of
an
unusual
situation.
We've
never
had
this.
Many
that
need
extensions.
A
What's
the
best
way
to
do
it,
nell
suggested
that
probably
what
would
be
a
good
idea
is
if
this
committee
would
recommend
to
ira
the
ira
grant
a
temporary
60-day
extension
to
all
projects
that
needed
and
then
look
you
know
either
we
bring
a
giant
blanket
extension
to
them,
which
we
have
done
before
to
you
saying
like
seeing
if
it's
feasible
to
have
all
these
contracts
have
the
same
end
date,
because
that
makes
it
a
lot
easier.
Administratively,
we
we
don't
have
to
track
like
seven
different
end
days.
A
I
know
you're
wondering
like
well,
why
isn't
there
a
resolution-
and
I
think
the
the
reason
is
because
when
when
this
matter
came
to
light
that
nobody
was
asking
for
extensions,
but
they
actually
needed
one.
We
discussed
it
at
our
staff
meeting
on
wednesday
how
to
proceed
and
that's
what
nels
recommended
so
to
make
a
recommendation
to
ira
to
do
a
temporary
30-day
extension
for
all
projects
that
need
one.
A
So,
there's
that
I
did
want
to
say
so:
that's
the
cdb-gcb
ones,
there's
also
a
few
2019
projects
that
haven't
finished
up
black
girl,
alchemist,
which
I
think
that's
just
an
administrative
thing.
I
think
they
just
need
to
get
their
final
invoice
in,
because
that
project
I
discussed
with
them
over
the
summer
and
they
were
basically
complete
and
the
learning
web
still
has
some
housing
scholarships
funds
and
the
learning
web
is
an
organization
that
their
ed
has
recently
left.
A
So
they
have
an
interim
so
and
actually
that's
true
of
at
least
one
other
reach
has
whose
cdbg
cv
their
finance
person
left,
and
that
might
also
be
why
they
didn't
these
two
organizations
didn't
request
an
extension.
They
you
know
in
the
changeover.
They
might
not
have
realized
that
that's
something
that
was
necessary.
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I
I
think,
I'm
okay
with
the
60-day
extension,
but
I
I
would
hope
that
you
in
contacting
them
are
saying
that
there's
a
danger
of
everything
being
out
of
compliance
if
they
don't
yeah,
because
we'll
run
into
our
unspent
ratio
etc,
and
I
think
yeah,
you
know
some
of
these
projects
may
not
really
be
moving
forward.
So
thank
you.
Yes,
we've
had
other
times
that
agencies
weren't
able
to
spend
their
money
and
we
need
to
know
that.
A
I
did
explain
that
to
people,
but
I
think
people
just
don't
really
I
need
to
be
you
know.
Maybe
I
need
to
yeah
revisit
that
with
them.
Definitely
tracy.
I
just
want
to
let
you
know
that
the
spend
down
requirement-
remember
hud
did
lifted
that
for
the
2019
and
you
know
so
that's
given
a
little
breathing
space,
but
yes
exactly
we
don't
want
to
be
in
this
situation
of
when
hud
comes
back
and
it's
like.
Okay,
we
have
the
spending
limit
again.
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Now
we
have
all
this
money
and
for
your
information
just
so
you
know,
salvation
army
is
one
of
the
groups.
That's
really
they've
spent
nothing
so
far
on
the
mortgage
assistance
and
I've
checked
in
with
her
a
variety
of
different
times
and
what
she
let
me
know
is
they
are.
She
thinks
that
inhs
has
one
homer
owner
to
refer
to
her
right
now
and
she
has
worked
with
various
banks.
A
I
wanted,
I
wanted
to
know
a
little
bit
more
about
which
banks
but
and
has
not
heard
from
any
banks
that
they
have
city
residents
that
have
mortgage
difficulties.
I
also
referred
her
to
the
tompkins
county
office
of
the
aging
because,
as
you
probably
know,
they
also
refer,
they
have
some
rehab
monies
as
well,
so
they
hear
from
seniors
who
have
rehab
needs.
A
They
refer
them
to
inhs,
but
you
know
wanted
her
to
connect
so
that
they
know
about
this,
but
a
lot
of
seniors
have
already
paid
their
mortgage
so
anyway,
their
their
issue
is
like,
like
in
hs,
they've,
had
a
lot
more
trouble
getting
that
money
implemented
than
they
thought
they
would
and
one
option
for
them
is
they
might
I
mean
I
don't?
They
haven't
said
that
they
want
to,
but
of
course
they
could
return
the
money.
A
Sure
it's
the
the
cdbgcv
funds
are
more
flexible
than
other
cdbg
funds
that
we
see
so,
but
they
need
to
be
the
restriction.
Is
it
has
to
be
coded
related,
so
it
has
to
be
preventing
it
related
to
some
covert
related
issue,
and
so
that-
and
we
also-
I
think-
that's
it-
I
I
asked
nells-
did
he
think
that
those
funds
would
be
expiring
and
he
said
no,
and
I
think
it's
really
just
about
us
putting
in
another
amendment,
they
haven't
their
that's
very
backed
up
right
now
too
anyway.
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E
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D
It
sounds
also
as
if
salvation
army
may
need
to
do
some
some
outreach,
some
some
publicity
around
this
program.
This
kind
of
reminds
me
of
what
we
ran
into
with
the
I
keep
want
to
say
mini
repair,
but
whatever
the
new
name
is
with
inhs,
they
really
have
to
up
their
efforts
to
publicize
to
get
the
funds
out.
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A
A
A
E
A
You
know,
I
think,
there's
a
sprinkling
in
there
of
probably
a
random
other
time,
and
so
then
the
60
days
would
cover
them
for
when
their
contract
expires
until
ira
takes
up
the
issue.
Ira
might
take
up
the
issue
before
the
60
days
expires
and
like
give
everybody
their.
You
know
appropriate
extension,
for
whatever
their
project
needs.
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D
And
and
lisa
I'm
sure
you
all
you
I'm
sorry.
I
say
you
all
staff
has
discussed
this,
but
you
know
kind
of
what
lessons
learned
from
this
and
and
perhaps
changes
in
communication
to
the
the
grantees
about
the
importance
of
reporting
keeping
their
eyes
on
the
the
the
dates
that
are
relevant
to
their
projects.
A
I
think
one
of
the
main
lessons
learned
here
for
me
is
like
give
everybody
the
exact
same
expiration
date
to
their
contract,
because
that
allows
us
as
staff
it's
just
a
lot
easier
to
monitor
that
way.
It's
like
oh
december,
31st
2021
is
coming
up.
I
need
to
contact
everybody
who
had
2020
funds.
That's
normally
how
we
do
it,
but,
like
I
said
these
were
all
like
kind
of
piecemeal
as
they
were
coming
through
the
cdbgcb
chain,
so
that,
second
of
all,
I
think
that
you
know
it
really
hasn't.
A
Honestly
in
previous
year,
it
hasn't
been
that
much
of
an
issue
usually
there's
one
or
two
that
need
an
extension
and
this
year
again
pandemic
lots
of
people
have
needed
it
and
because
they've
never
really
done
it
before,
even
though
we
tell
them
how
to
do
it,
they're
just
not
really
attending
to
that.
That's
one
thing,
so,
yes,
having
a
boulder
like
hey,
get
in
touch
with
us
by
x
date.
If
you
need
an
extension
and
probably
an
auto
reminder
would
be
good.
A
A
So
there's
a
little
bit
of
a
balance
there
and
then
the
last
thing
is
that
there
there
have
been
changeovers
in
the
leadership
of
some
of
these
agencies
during
the
time
that
they've
had
these
contracts,
and
so
I
think
those
people
are
basically
just
getting
scrambling
getting
up
to
speed
understanding
what
they
need
to
do
in
the
first
place,
and
so
the
fact
that
it
was
stated
what
they
need
to
do.
They
just
you,
know
they're
new
and
they
need
to
get
on
board
with
that.
So
there's
a
lot
of
things
we
could
do.
A
Neil
said
he
just
needed
a
recommendation
from
you
all,
but
yeah.
I
think
if
I,
if
you
voted
on
it,
it
would
be
helpful,
like
voted
on
the
recommendation,
that
ira
give
expiring
contracts
temporary
60
day
extension,
while
before
you
know,
in
order
to
cover
everybody
who
is
maybe
coming
forward
with
a
request.
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C
A
A
B
C
A
D
F
F
It's
a
hud
requirement
that
any
agency,
that's
getting
even
like
sort
of
one
dollar
of
hud
funding
and
is
serving
people
experiencing
homelessness
is
entering
data
into
our
hmis
required
in
every
community.
In
the
united
states
we
have
sort
of
a
checkered
history
of
hmis
data
in
our
community,
but
for
the
past
two
years
we
migrated
to
a
new
system
two
years
ago
and
it
has
greatly
improved
our
ability
to
do
data
entry,
but
also
sort
of
like
analyze
and
keep
better
track
of
our
data.
F
Prior
to
the
past
two
years
we
had
what
was
called
a
closed
system,
so
nobody
could
really
see
a
person's
like
full
path
through
the
homeless
response
system,
and
now
we
have
what's
called
an
open
data
sharing
system,
which
means
that
providers
who
are
on
our
release
of
information
can
all
see
everything
as
far
as
other
entries
in
by
other
providers.
So
we
can
get
a
much
clearer
picture
of
people's
history.
F
Hud
also
started
requiring
some
longitudinal
reports
in
the
past
few
years,
so
there's
a
couple
years
of
what's
called
lsa
data,
longitudinal
service
analysis
data
and
I
shared
some
of
those
reports
with
anissa
and
I
can
share
them
with
you.
I
never
know
like
how
in
the
weeds
people
want
to
go.
So
I
guess
I'm
curious.
F
Easier
to
look
at
sort
of
on
your
own
time
or
not
on
your
own
time,
but
like
they
take
a
little
like
sitting
with
their
data
visualizations
that
have
to
do
with
there's
a
whole
lot
of
different
ways.
You
can
kind
of
like
slice
and
dice
our
data,
and
so
you
can
look
at
people's
pathways
through
the
system.
You
could
look
at
their
length
of
time
homeless.
You
can
look
at
what
their
exit
ex,
where
people
are
exiting
to
what
their
returns
to
homelessness.
F
Look
like
it's
a
pretty
robust
set
of
data
that
we
collect
locally
and
submit
to
hud
yearly
in
terms
of
the
eight
hmis
itself,
we're
collecting
sort
of
like
all
the
data
points,
you
would
think
a
data
collection
system
would
be
collecting,
so
all
people's
demographic
information,
information
about
their
income,
their
benefits,
sort
of
like
where
they're
at
everything
about
them,
and
then
we
it's.
We
we
do
as
live
as
we
can
data
entry.
F
A
F
Is
it
there
are,
so
I
the
reason
I
sort
of
started
off
by
saying
we
had
a
checkered
hmis
passed
is
the
really
before
20
data
before
2019
is
could
be
imperfect
because
of
sort
of
our
community's
culture
around
data
collection
and
stuff?
We've
we've
made
some
huge
advances
in
the
way
that
we
are
collecting
and
storing
data
in
our
community,
so
some
of
those
2018
numbers
that
you're
going
to
see
or
anything
before
2019.
F
There
are
some
errors.
Like
I
I
know
in
one
of
these
reports.
It
says:
there's
a
child
only
household
that
was
in
the
system
for
like
a
year
and
that
that's
an
error
right.
So
that's
a
those
are
some
kids
who,
like
didn't
get
connected
to
their
parent
in
the
system,
and
then
the
parent
exited
and
the
kids
sort
of
lingered
in
there.
E
F
E
F
F
Reason
there's
really
like
not
another
reason.
It
really
is
sort
of
that
reason,
and
so
it's
an
average
right.
There
are
outliers.
There's
there's
folks
who
enter
shelter
are
in
shelter
for
three
or
four
days,
return
to
permanent
housing
and
never
come
back
right
and
then
there's
another
population.
F
They're
just
aren't
landlords
willing
to
rent
to
people.
There's
the
housing
stock
itself
is
not
great
in
the
price
range
that
people
can
search
in
even
up
to
fair
market
rent.
I
would
say
that
our
housing,
our
rental
housing
stock,
is
pretty
poor
and
so
people
get
kind
of
like
stuck
in
the
shelter
at
bottlenecks
at
shelter
and
jerry
so
like
during
the
warmer
months
shelter
you
have
to
be
approved
for
shelter
and
you
have
to
stay.
There
are
some
compliance
requirements
for
you
to
be
in
shelter.
F
Those
are
compliance
requirements
that
tompkins
county
department
of
social
services
has
as
part
of
their
programming
and
then
in
the
between
october
15th
and
april
15th.
We
enter
into
what's
called
cold
weather
policy.
It's
a
new
york
state
mandate
that
says
anytime,
it's
below
32
degrees
or
colder,
including
wind.
Chill
a
person
has
a
right
to
shelter.
So
there's
no,
the
compliance
pieces
go
away
for
folks
and
there's
also
no
barriers
to
entry.
So
you
can
just
yeah.
F
So
you'd
want
to
talk
to
tompkins
county
dss.
If
you
want
to
know
like
the
super
duper
details
about
compliance,
but
the
sort
of
basics
are
that
folks
are
required
to
be
involved
in
substance
abuse
treatment.
If
that
is
an
issue
that
they
have
so
one
of
the
first
things
for
temper,
that's
for
emergency
assistance
or
for
temporary
housing
assistance,
so
at
sort
of
eligibility.
F
We
think
you
need
to
be
an
inpatient
treatment.
We
think
you
need
to
be
an
outpatient
treatment
or,
like
you,
don't
have
a
substance
use
disorder,
so
they
have
to
comply
with
whatever
that
person
says.
So
if
the
person
says
you
need
to
be
in
treatment,
they
need
to
get
into
treatment
within
a
certain
period
of
time.
F
F
During
the
year
during
cold
weather
policy,
that
stuff
is
all
moot.
The
state
pays,
the
state,
you
know,
picks
up
the
bill
for
people
who
enter
shelter
under
their
cold
weather
policy,
and
so
our
numbers
tend
to
rise
in
the
winter.
For
re.
You
know,
obviously
it's
cold
you
want
to
come
inside,
but
also
there
is
a
reduction
in
those
compliance
requirements
during
the
winter
and
then
what
happens
is
sometimes
people
come
in
during
the
winter.
F
E
F
But
it's
not
it's
all
for
hmis
and
hud
for
our
reporting,
it's
all
self-report,
so
we
ask
the
participant
if
they
are
have
a
substance,
use
disorder
or
mental
health
issue,
but
we
don't
require
verification
at
a
systems
level.
Some
programs
do
so.
We
will
have
it
in
our
system,
but
if
somebody
does
an
intake
and
you're
asking
them,
do
you
have
a
mental
health
problem
and
they
say
nope
we
check.
No,
we
don't
diagnose
we're,
not
you
know
in
that
position.
So
that's
just
a
little
caveat
to
that.
F
F
F
E
F
F
It
means
that
there
are
as
low
as
possible,
like
threshold
for
folks
to
be
able
to
enter
housing,
so
the
continuum
of
care
and
hud
believe
in
a
philosophy
called
housing
first,
which
means
you
know.
Housing
is
a
human
right,
get
people
into
housing
with
no
preconditions.
No,
you
don't
have
to
be.
You
don't
have
to
have
it's,
not
it's
not
based
on
merit.
F
We
need
it's
hard
to
say
because
so
afford
there
are
some
things
happening
right
like
some
of
this
development
that
we've
been
looking
at
and
talking
about
for
years,
is
coming
to
fruition.
So
art
house
is
leasing
up
west
end
heights
is
right
behind
it.
Those
are
two
pretty
large
scale,
affordable
housing
projects,
both
of
which
have
set
units
for
special
populations,
so
things
are
happening,
but
I
would
say
that
we
need
somewhere
between
50
and
100
units
of
permanent
housing
with
a
low
threshold.
F
F
Almost
almost,
I
don't
think
they
do
they
don't
I
mean
they
have
some
preconditions.
They
are
very.
They
walk
with
you
right,
that's
their
that's
their
sort
of
ideology,
but
they
do
have
some.
It's
not
a
traditional
landlord-tenant
relationship
and
it's
also
not
a
traditional
programmatic
relationship.
It's
close
what?
What
the
one
of
the
models
that
I
see?
Other
communities
using
that
does
work
is
basically
like
agency
agency-owned
or
operated
permanent
housing
projects.
F
So,
instead
of
having
a
private
market
landlord
and
being
in
this-
and
like
I
mean
they
could
be
scattered
site,
but
instead
of
having
a
private
landlord,
your
landlord
is
salvation
army
or
whatever,
because
agencies
are
well
better
equipped
and
have
more
patience
and
might
accept
some
of
the
like
risk
of
housing.
First,
in
a
way
that
private
landlords,
like
especially
in
our
market
like
they
don't
have
to,
they
don't
have
to
to
help.
So
they
aren't
is
the
truth.
E
F
So
that's
part
of
what
part
of
what
the
plan
that
lisa
is
working
on.
It
seeks
to
answer
that
question,
I'm
sort
of
like
hesitant
to
to
say
one
way
or
another.
This
is
what
I
will
say.
The
continuum
of
care
will
always,
if
we're
given
the
choice
between
emergency
shelter
or
permanent
housing,
we
will
always
choose
permanent
housing
for
folks.
Emergency
shelter
is
something
that
a
continuum
needs,
but
I
am
not
totally
convinced
that
we
need
a
bigger
emergency
shelter.
E
F
So
if
that
is
the
way
that
the,
if,
if
that
plan
was
achievable
and
feasible
and
realistic,
I
think
it
would
be
a
an
interesting
intervention.
It's
unusual
to
have
to
mix
populations,
but
but
I
think
it
does
all
kinds
of
stuff.
That's
like
slightly
different,
but
nor
I
haven't
seen
a
ton
of
models
that
are
in
one
structure.
F
Both
emergency
shelter
and
permanent
housing,
although
we
already
do
have
that
on
a
smaller
scale
in
our
community,
because
at
st
john's
on
the
third
floor,
are
single
room.
Occupancies
yeah,
I
don't
like
single
room.
Occupancies
hud
doesn't
like
single
room
occupancies,
because
people
should
have
you
know
a
door
that
locks
and
four
walls
and
a
kitchen
and
a
bathroom
of
their
own.
Really
I
I
know
why
they
sort
of
gained
popularity
in
really
it
was
like
the
70s
and
80s.
F
It
was
an
inexpensive
way
to
get
a
whole
bunch
of
people
into
shut
into
housing,
but
it's
not
really
like
a
viable
permanent
housing
option
for
folks.
So
whenever
I
am
talking
about
permanent
units,
I'm
sort
of
talking
about
like
studios
at
minimum
or
like
mini
units
sort
of
tc
action
style,
so
that
their
units
are
small
but
self-contained
have
a
kitchen
and
a
bathroom
in
the
walls.
E
F
F
F
F
F
E
F
E
F
F
F
F
E
F
E
A
60,
okay!
So
here's
what
I
remember
from
the
coc
meeting
that
I
was
at
the
other
day
that
there's
about
120
units
in
our
house,
total
40
of
those
units
are
called
eshai,
which
is
what
liddy
is
the
empire
state?
Okay,
so
set
aside
for
youth,
exiting
homelessness
and
tc
action?
Is
the
service
provider
there
and
they
are
in
the
process
of
like
identifying
and
leasing
those
up.
But
I
don't
recall
that
they
gave
us
a
number
for
how
many
like
we're
set
to
like
they
didn't,
but.
C
A
I
think
they
come
partially
or
with
some
furnishings
and
they
also
have
to
get
those
in
place.
I
think
that's
part
of
what's
going
on
on
the
supported
housing
side
and
then
on
the
affordable
housing
side.
There
are
80
units,
so
that's
a
tax
credit
project
and
60
of
those
80
units
have
been
filled
and
they're
continuing
to
like
interview
people
for
the
other
20.
F
So
the
eshai
units
also
are
using
coordinated
entry,
which
is
a
process
that
might
that
we
run
at
hsc
to
try
to
fill
those
18
units,
but
they
have
some
higher
thresholds
than
a
traditional,
permanent,
supportive
housing.
So
it's
slow,
but
I
anticipate
being
able
to
find
18
people
to
go
into
those
units.
C
E
F
I
mean
there
might
be
one
or
two
turnovers,
but
it's
doing
great
they're
yeah.
They
use
coordinated
entry.
I
can,
I
can
send
a
nissa
or
reply
all
to
a
message
with
everyone.
I
created
a
just
sort
of
like
pretty
brief
chart
of
our
supportive
housing
inventory
and-
and
I
think
people
are
interested
to
see.
F
F
A
A
E
F
F
F
A
A
F
A
F
So
an
sro
is
for
a
single
or
a
couple,
and
it's
really
shouldn't.
This
is
part
of
the
reason
that
sros
are
like
out
of
favor.
It
should
be
people
who
are
choosing
to
live
together.
If
there's
more
than
one
person
in
that
room,
it
should
be
a
person
that
you
are
choosing
to
live
with
a
loved
one,
a
child,
a
family
member.
A
A
A
F
So
we
maintain
coordinated
entry
at
hsc.
Coordinated
entry
is
a
system,
hud
requires
it.
We
do
a
pretty
good
job
of
it
in
in
in
tompkins
county,
where
it
creates
a
single
waiting
list
for
any
supportive
housing
units
that
are
funded
through
hud
funding
and
others,
because
we
have
people
who
participate
without
it.
So
people
who
are
on
that
list
are
prioritized
by
their
vulnerability.
F
F
F
Some
amount
of
eligibility
for
a
voucher
program,
there's
a
few
of
them
right
now.
Voucher,
programs
or
they've
got
been
referred
to
as
one
of
those
shine
units,
and
so
the
people
who
are
moving
into
existing
units
are
just
waiting
until
those
units
are
like
really
available.
Those
people
are
doing
great,
there's
like
64
people
who
have
who
are
eligible
for
vouchers
right
now,
who
have
a
voucher
right
now,
but
most
of
them
are
still
homeless.
I
guess
is
what
I'll
say
because
of
that
lack
of
available
housing.
F
C
F
E
C
F
F
The
people
who
are
not
matched
to
something
are
going
to
be
the
lowest
on
that
vulnerability
index.
So
people
in
a
certain
part
of
the
vulnerability
index
are
generally
able,
often
able
to
self-resolve
they
figure
it
out
and
like
move
in
with
family,
or
they
find
something
or
they
get
a
different
job.
So
they're,
not
it's
not
all
of
our
hardest
to
serve
and
longest
time.
F
So
coordinated
entry
is
a
voluntary
process.
That's
a
good!
That's
something
to
know
about
it.
Everything,
hud,
hud,
coc
continuum
of
care,
stuff,
consumer
choice
is
integral
to
it.
We
are
not
forcing
anyone
to
do
anything
we're
just
not
so.
If
people
all
the
street
outreach
people
know
about
coordinated
entry
anytime,
they
go
into
the
encampment
spaces,
they
say
basically
do
you
want
to
be?
Are
you
into
it?
Would
you
ever
in
a
million
years,
move
into
housing?
Basically,
and
if
somebody
says
yes,
they
get
him
on
that
list.
F
A
Okay,
can
I
jump
in
and
just
try
to
ask
some
clarifying
questions
too:
liddy,
okay,
so
okay,
this
is
based
on
what
I
just
heard
proven.
So,
first
of
all,
you
said:
94
people
have
viable
referrals,
which
is
amazing.
That's
an
incredibly
high
percentage.
If
I'm
not
mistaken,
is
that
right,
very
high
for
our
community.
A
I
think
it's
very
high
for
really
any
community.
I
think
all
communities
do
struggle
with
you
know
having
enough
units,
but
okay,
so,
but
of
that,
so
some
of
those
people
refer
to
actual
units
that
exist
within
within
supportive
housing
developments,
and
so
it's
like
that
units
being
cleaned
out
or
whatever
they're
just
running.
A
F
A
Have
vouchers
because
the
voucher
ostensibly
is
money
in
the
pocket,
but
even
before
we
were
at
this
particular
time
in
life,
where
there's
all
these
other
part
of
the
reason.
My
that
I
perceive
that
so
many
people
at
this
time
have
what
you
call
a
funding
mechanism
or
a
voucher
in
their
pocket
is
because
hud
has
released
a
lot
of
these
to
the
community.
B
A
Of
the
pandemic
and
and
all
that,
but
predating
that,
no
matter
what
kind
of
voucher
that's
out
there,
people
who
have
vouchers
as
the
way
that
they're
going
to
pay
for
their
housing
have
really
had
a
hard
time,
finding
a
place
to
use
them
in
the
city
and
in
general,
because
even
though
these
vouchers
are
guaranteed,
rent
landlords
have
a
lot
of
feelings
about
them
or
know
that
they're
attached,
maybe
to
somebody
who's
in
this
case,
experienced
homelessness
or
whatever
and
landlords
do
not
have
to
rent
to
people
that
have
vouchers.
And
so
the
actual.
A
E
E
F
F
They're
all
different,
and
I
won't
get
you
in
the
weeds
about
them,
but
the
basic,
the
basic
payment
standard
for
a
regular
section,
8
or
housing
choice
voucher
in
tompkins
county.
It
pays
90
percent
of
fair
market
rent,
so
affordable
housing
units
are
still
sometimes
above
fair
market,
rent
for
and
certainly
above
90
percent
of
fair
market
rent
right.
If
fair
market
rent
is
a
thousand
dollars
section,
eight
will
pay
900.
F
and
private
landlords.
Those
are
still
private
landlords
that
the
you
know,
affordable
housing
projects.
They
still
have
screening,
there's
a
lot
of
ways:
there's
a
lot
of
barriers
to
housing,
even
in
tax
credit
properties
or
affordable
housing
properties,
so
landlords
or
property
managers
are
still
you
know.
People
are
still
applying
for
those
units,
the
the
first
barrier
that
we
see
for
people-
and
this
is
something
that
we're
really
like
witnessing
right
now
in
this.
F
In
this
sort
of
like
frenzy
of
getting
people
signed
up
for
voucher
programs
is
like
most
people
do
not
have
a
photo
id
right,
so
most
people
in
this
population.
So
even
if
we
get
them
the
voucher,
we
got
the
voucher.
Then
then
the
landlord
needs
the
photo
id
too
and
then
you're
just
sort
of
like
it's
just
one
of
those
things.
It's
private
market
landlords.
F
F
A
No,
I
think,
lydia
covered
him.
I
think
part
of
what
you
just
said
was
one
of
my
questions
that
people
sorry,
I
had
need
to
learn
how
to
unraise
my
hand,
but
that,
in
addition
to
people
who
are
homeless,
trying
to
get
into
units
they're
still
people
who
are
not
homeless,
who
are
applying
for
the
these
units
that
have
just
been
built.
Yes,
absolutely.
F
Also,
the
eviction
moratorium-
I'm
just
going
to
say
this
because
I
know
we're
probably
out
of
time.
I
can
talk
about
housing
all
day,
but
I
won't
the
eviction.
Moratorium
has
been
a
great
life-saving
public
health
measure
and
it
has
stopped
the
market
in
its
tracks.
People
are
not
moving
the
thing
people
are
not
units
are
not
changing
over
in
the
way
that
they
traditionally
have
so
it.
D
F
F
And
in
fact,
a
single
room
occupancy,
which
we've
discussed
at
length
today,
doesn't
qualify
for
a
payment
from
a
voucher
either
because
hud
doesn't
like
them.
Basically,
because
it's
not
considered
a
suitable,
viable,
permanent
housing,
there's
a
way
to
get
a
waiver
for
to
rent
from
a
family
member.
But
you
can't
anybody.
Everybody
in
a
household
needs
to
be
on
the
same
voucher
together.
So
unless
you
put
your
family
or
friend
on
your
voucher
to
rent
the
unit,
you
can't
do
roommates
with
vouchers.
C
F
I
just
before
I
go,
I'm
gonna
just
we
have
a
some
we've
updated
our
housing
initiatives,
information
on
our
website
and
it
includes
a
little
bit
like
deeper
dive
into
some
of
the
like
systemy
stuff.
So
I'm
just
gonna.
Stick
it
in
chat
for
you
right
and
get
interested
in
coordinated
entry
or
whatever.
A
I
sent
all
of
you
the
data
visualizing
visualization
charts
that
liddy
that
we
saw
at
the
beginning,
and
I'm
sorry
I
didn't
realize
that
I
could
give
those
to
you,
but
I
also
cc
lydia
in
case
you
have
questions
or
want
her
to
come
back
in
the
future.
You
can
tell
me
and
or
maybe
lydia
could,
if
you
just
have
like
one
or
two
questions.
Lady
might
be
willing
to
just
talk
to
you
about
that.
D
D
D
A
So,
as
I
mentioned,
salvation
army
were
flagging
as
one
that
we're
concerned
haven't
spent
anything
down
and
fernando
just
so,
you
know
a
lot
of
the
cdbg
cb
projects
as
well
as
2019
catholic
charities,
security
deposits
and
bg
black
girl
alchemists
are
coming
up
on
their
expiration
deadlines
and
and
learning
web
black
girl
alchemists.
We
believe
just
needs
to
submit
their
voucher.
A
A
D
You
know
anissa,
I
had
a
question
about
founders
way,
so
you
know
they
got
some
funding
for
2019
and
I
think
it's
at
zero
or
a
small.
I
think
it's
a
zero
for
the
home
funds
and
I'm
wondering
if
that
no
obviously
well
well,
we'll
say
obviously,
but
we
oh,
I
anticipate
that
the
funds
will
be
spent
right.
The
the
work
is
is
going
pretty
fast,
but
I'm
wondering
if
that
says
anything
about
the
timing,
so
it
seems
like
they
could
have
gotten
the
funds
in
2020
versus
2019..
D
D
A
A
That's
something
that
nels
usually
does,
and
I'm
going
to
be
helping
him
with
that.
So
I
can
learn
and
do
that.
But
we
need
that
and
that's
something
hud
requires
the
contract
has
been
executed,
but
we
need
some
information
from
them
to
be
able
to
do
that.
Subsidy
layering,
and
I
think
that
it's
like
it's
just
like
a
puzzle
piece
is
how
I
see
it.
It's
like
they
need.
I
need
to
reach
out
to
leslie
ackerman
and
make
sure
that
she
knows
that
we're
still
waiting
for
that,
which
I
do
think
she
knows.
A
But
so
we
need
information
from
that.
In
order
to
do
the
subsidy
layering,
which
would
then
enable
them
to
voucher
for
that
project,
so
I'm
not
sure
what
why
we
don't
have
that
information
yet-
and
I
I
can
report
back
on
that
next
meeting,
but
my
understanding
is.
That
is
why
the
2019
founders
way
hasn't.
They
haven't
vouched
it
for
that
yet,
and
I
think,
in
terms
of
these
very
very
big
projects,
it's
I
mean
I
don't
need
to
tell
you
it's
a
ton
of
money
for
us,
but
it's
not
a
lot
of
money.
A
You
know
in
that
you
know
in
the
world
of
that
project.
So
I
just
think
it's
you
know.
One
of
the
many
requirements
to
get
over
is
that
subsidy
layering
and
that
we
need
access
to
their
financial
data
about
that
like
who?
Are
there
other?
You
know
funders?
What's
the
loan,
whatever
interest
rate
all
of
that
stuff?
A
D
A
Tricky
you're
right,
it's
like
well,
it's
like
the
did.
They
apply
too
soon.
I
I
think,
that's
a
good
question
to
keep
in
mind
for
future
when
large
developments
are
applying
for
this
money
is
asking
them
like.
Why
do
you
need
it
now,
because
sometimes
they
don't
get
the
tax
credit
thing
right
away
like
I
think
we
you
know
it's.
It
is
a
very
just
tricky
process,
you
know,
and
it's
like
is
our
money
being
tied
up
for
something
that
can't
be
used
right
away.
A
C
C
A
A
C
D
A
I
do
and
I'll
keep
it
quick.
So
you
already
know
as
lisa
or
no
as
liddy
said.
Lisa
horn
is
a
consultant.
Who's
been
engaged
to
do.
The
coc
needs
assessment.
That
ira
will
be
contributing,
10
10
000
to
tracy.
I
just
I
don't
know
if
you're
familiar
with
that
name,
but
I
know
that
it
was
particularly.
You
know,
an
item
of
interest
for
you
that
it'd
be
a
local
person
and
she
is
local
and
she
has
worked
with
park
in
the
past.
A
B
C
C
A
A
No,
and
when
we
inquired
about
that,
what
lisa
nicholas
said
is
it
sounds
like
it's
going
to
be
probably
a
lengthy
process.
Lisa
will
be
the
interim
director,
but
I
don't
know
what
all
the
hr
I
you
know
this
seems
like
the
type
of
thing
that
there
could
be.
You
know
a
big
search
for
or
whatever
I'm
not
sure
how.
I
don't
know
that
the
process
is
clear.
What's
gonna
happen
next,
I
I
think
that
hr
handles
that,
but
and
it
has
been
posted,
I
believe,
okay.
A
A
Wasn't
aware
of
that
until
the
other
day,
so
that
has
happened
and
danielle
harrington
is
the
interim
executive
director
there
and
you
know
that
danielle's
been
the
deputy
director
and
involved
in
tca
for
many
many
many
years.
So
I
thought
you
might
be
interested
that
renee
to
know
that
renee
funk
is
a
regional.
A
I'm
not
sure
if
we've
talked
about
that
already
so
and
in
the
coc
meeting
recently
renee
was
there
to
present
and
they
have
a
in
addition
to
what
we
already
told
you
when
lydian
you
know
was
here:
they
have
an
october
15th
lease
up
target
date,
not
including
the
esha
units
that
tca
is
handling.
So
you
know
those
60
have
only
been
leased
up
so
far.
I
believe
their
goal
is
to
have
them
all
leased
up
by
the
15th.
So
that's
just
a
few
days.
A
At
nhs
also,
she
reported
that
you
know
the
cherry
street
arts
collective
has
a
gallery
with
an
art
house
that
is
beautiful
and
also
a
working
studio
and
community.
There's
community
room
at
our
house
garage
parking
property
management
on
site
maintenance
on
site
tca
on
site.
One
thing
that
did
come
up
question
that
came
up
in
this
discussion
from
older
person
from
the
first
word.
George
mcgonagall
was
what
are?
What
are
the
playground?
What
what
are
the
play
facilities
like
for
children?
A
There
is
a
playground
that
looks
to
be
age,
appropriate
for
like
elementary
school
children.
There
and
tca
said
that
they're,
that's
not
something
that
their
their
primary
population
of
young
adults
have
children
in
their
toddler
and
waddler
stage,
so
they
will
be
organizing
trips
to
cass
park
and
city
parks,
where
those
toddlers
and
waddlers
can
play.
A
A
Have
it
continue
there
and
also
that
blocks
near
the
300
block
are
also
affected
by
you
know
all
the
issues
that
have
been
discussed
in
this
committee
before
that
you
know
tracy
and
teresa,
and
I
think
all
of
you
have
observed
in
that
area.
So
it's
a
fairly
the
membership
of
the
task
force
is
very
fairly
small.
There
may
still
be
people
joining,
but
there
is
a
appointee.
A
A
Force
is
relatively
small,
but
they'll
be
hearing
from
a
very
large
set
of
stakeholders
being
called
subject
matter
experts,
so
each
meeting
will
have
kind
of
a
topical
area,
and
then
people
with
expertise
in
that
area
will
be
asked
to
come
and
talk
to
the
to
the
task
force.
Members
answer
questions
and
possibly
be
you
know,
asked
to
be
available
as
a
future
resource.
A
I
think
the
idea
well
what
the
mayor
would
like
is
that
recommendations
to
him
by
the
end
of
march
2022
about
projects
that
the
city
could
that
seem
the
most
viable
types
of
projects
for
the
city
to
fund
there
will
be
funding
allocated
to
a
pot
of
I
feel
like.
I
need
better
words
here
there
there's
funding
attached,
meaning
that
the
mayor
will
designate
a
certain
amount
of
money.
Different
numbers
have
been
put
out
there.
That's
why?
I
don't
I'm
sorry.
A
I
don't
have
confirmation
how
much
money,
but
I'm
thinking,
probably
at
least
in
the
few
hundred
thousand
dollar
range,
then
an
rfp
would
be
issued,
and
I
envision
that
to
be
sort
of
very
similar
to
what
you
see
when
the
ira
issues
a
an
rfp
where
the
amount
of
funding
that's
available
is
stated
and
the
types
of
projects
that
would
be
funded
is
is
stated.
That's
unlike
ira
we're
more
general.
We
have
the
different
categories
and
then
it's
published
so
that
agencies
or
entities
that
think
that
they
could
undertake
those
projects
can
apply
for
funding.
A
Part
of
this
reason
is
because
so
when
the
task
force,
design
was
being
what
was
considered
were
kind
of
what
have
been
barriers
to
task
force,
recommendations
being
able
to
be
implemented
in
the
past,
and
one
of
the
main
ones
is
funding
a
lot
of
times.
Task
forces
talk
about
things
and
develop,
you
know
strategies,
but
there's
no
money
to
fund
them.
Another
barrier
has
been
seen
as
that.
There
aren't
project
sponsors
that
are
willing
to
come
forward.
A
A
A
A
It's
not
meant
to
be
necessarily
in
any
way
like
an
exclusive
membership
and,
like
I
said,
the
number
of
people
could
change,
but
the
idea
was
to
keep
the
task
force
membership
within
a
kind
of
manageable
amount
of
people
that
these
people
could
like
be
there
for
the
for
the
duration
and
kind
of
get
to
the
end
point.
So
that's
those
are
that's
kind
of
a
high
level
about
that.
Do
people
have
questions
about
yeah?
Yes,
yes,.
E
A
So
that
means
like
the
other
blocks
along
state
street
and
kind
of
being
aware
of
like
how
people
might
see
the
quote-unquote
problem
as
being
at
the
300
block,
but
recognizing
that
there's
spillovers.
It's
not
just
this
one
isolated
block,
but
there
are
there's
been
a
lot
of
activity
there
as
you've
mentioned
several
times,
and
there
are
several
vacant
properties
on
that
block.
A
That
could
be
seen
as
possibly
contributing
to
why
there
are
gathering
spaces
and
so
on,
but
we've
also
you
know.
The
city
has
also
heard
from
the
100
block
and
other
blocks
that
the
kind
of
nexus
that
has
been
created
or
is
existing.
Now
I
don't
know
if
it's
been
created,
is
existing
in
the
300
block
is
also
affecting
these
other
places.
So
yeah.
E
E
I
mean
I
mean
it's
yeah.
It
seems
like
that
report
is
going
on
right
now.
This
committee
is
exploring
some
overlapping
issues.
I'm
not
sure
everyone
is
homeless,
who's
hanging
out
right
in
the
blocks,
but
but
yeah
I
mean
is
that
a
legitimate
use
for
the
money
that
before
we
have
to
think
of
extra
money.
E
A
There
are
intersections-
I
just
want
to
be
clear.
This
isn't
my
report,
it's
the
task
force
report,
but,
and
so
part
of
to
answer
part
of
your
question
tracy.
So
just
for
reviews
sake
not
because
you
don't
understand
this,
but
helping
me
oriented
so
ira
will
be
getting
home
american
rescue
plan
funding
in
the
amount
of
about
a
million
dollars,
and
then
the
city
is
getting
a
separate
pot
of
arp
funding
as
well
city's
getting
multiple
millions
of
dollars
more
like
13
million
okay.
A
Funding
that
ira
gets
can
only
be
used
for
specific
types
of
projects
and
it
is
targeted
towards
homelessness,
but
it
can't
be
any
type
of
project.
It
can't
be
congregate,
shelter
it
it
can
be
supportive
services,
but
only
for
a
certain
amount
of
time.
It
can
be
for
acquisition
and
development
as
such
as
what
you
were
asking
lydia
about
tracy,
it
could
be
for
acquisition
of
an
existing
structure
that
would
provide
non-congregate
shelter,
but
it
can't
be.
A
You
know
it
can't
be
like
kind
of
anything
that
comes
up
so,
but
I
believe
that
you
are
correct
tracy,
that
the
city's
arp
funding
is
has
a
lot
more
flexibility
about
the
kinds
of
projects
it
could
fund.
So,
while
the
ira
funding
is
coming
through,
yes,
is
more
targeted
towards
homelessness
than
the
city's
funds.
Are
it's
also
restricted
to
types
of
services
that
could
happen,
whereas
the
city's
funding,
I
think,
is
more
flexible,
but
it's
not
targeted
towards
homelessness.
If
that
makes
sense,
does
that
make
sense?
Okay,.
A
The
county
is
getting
a
lot
of
erp
funding
too
they're
getting
about
17
million.
I
want
to
say
the
city.
I
know
this
is
a
point
of
interest
to
the
group.
The
city,
like
the
mayor,
like
I
said,
has
stated
that
the
city
will
commit
funds
to
this
project.
The
county
has
not
similarly
been
asked
for
that
at
this
point.
It's
not
that
they
won't
be
asked
it's
just
that
the
city,
the
mayor,
was
ready
to
get
rolling
on
this
and
decided
to
get
rolling
in
that
way.
E
A
E
C
C
A
E
A
A
A
C
C
C
Safety,
that's
going
to
happen,
and
then
the
city
is
applying
for
money
to
continue
to
trail
along
the
flood
control
channel
to
buttermilk
falls,
which
will
also
be
a
terrific
amenity.
And
yes,
the
safety
aspect.
I
guess,
can
be
addressed
and
should
be
addressed
in
the
design
of
a
facility
like
that,
whether
it's
putting
a
fence
or
whatever.
C
E
B
A
C
Oh,
no,
the
bridge
has
been
funded
and
it's
in
the
program
and
in
design
and
it's
on
its
way.
So
the
bridge
is
the
bridge
is
sort
of
a
given.
You
know
its
plan
and
program.
The
the
extension
to
buttermilk
falls
is
not
certain,
yet
it's
they
applied
for
the
money,
but
it's
a
competitive
process.
They
may
or
may.
A
C
E
A
E
C
No,
I
I
get
that
and
neither
of
these
trails
are
are
at
the
art
house
location.
So
if
our
house,
if
there
is
a
concern
that
kids
may
gravitate
to
the
water
yeah,
they
should
have
some
fence
in
there.
That
is
probably
not
going
to
have
anything
to
do
with
this
trail,
so
yeah
yeah,
but
but
as
far
as
the
residents
there
having
access
to
amenities
at
cass
park,
the
pool,
etc.
It's
gonna
be
on
a
bike.
It's
gonna
be
eight
minutes
away.