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A
B
And
first
up
it
looks
like
we
have
the
four
two
family
dwellings
on
cascadilla
street
and
I
believe
you
said
lisa.
Perhaps
the
applicant's
not
here
yet.
A
A
Dan,
I'm
gonna
change
your
name
to
what
your
name
is.
You
have
a.
C
C
Okay,
I'm
daniel
burgler,
I'm
the
architect
for
the
project
at
615
617
cascadilla
street,
which
is
supposed
to
become
four
two
family
dwellings,
built
on
a
a
combined
lot,
a
lot
that
is
currently
three
lots
that
has
frontage
both
on
cascadilla
street
and
meadow
street.
A
C
Yeah
yeah,
okay,
so
so
essentially,.
B
We
don't
see
your
screen
yet
if
we,
if
we
should
yeah
hold
on
for
a
second.
D
Building
site
layout
survey.
D
Where
are
all
the
rest
of
them
show
all
the
windows?
Here
we
go
building
plans.
Oh
there
we
go
site
plan
there.
We
go
share.
C
Oh,
you
see
it.
Okay,
because
I
have
two
screens
okay,
so
so
this
is
the
site
plan.
What
we're
seeing
right
now
is
the
corner
of
cascadilla
street
and
north
meadow
street
the
corner
lot,
which
is
a
parking
lot
right
now.
That's
the
purity
ice
cream
parking
lot,
that's
caddy
corner
to
the
to
the
main
place.
C
C
There's
a
sidewalk
that
runs
the
length
or
the
through
into
the
cascadilla
street
part
of
the
parcel
that
all
of
the
the
four
new
buildings
would
their
front
doors
would
access.
So
there's
three
buildings
that
are
similar
that
are,
on
the
right
hand,
side.
Those
are
well
yeah.
Those
are
upper
and
lower
apartments.
So
there's
a
porch
on
the
corner
of
the
building.
You
come
into
and
two
doors,
one
that
enters
the
ground
floor
apartment,
one
that
enters
the
stair.
C
That
goes
to
the
second
floor
and
then,
on
the
left
hand,
side,
there's
a
narrower
building.
That's
a
side
by
side,
two
family
house
that
that
also
enters
off
of
that
sidewalk
street
lighting
or
sight
lighting
wise
those
little
circles
that
are
alongside
the
the
sidewalk
there
would
be
street
lights.
Pole
mounted
street
light
kind
of
things
that
would
light
the
the
entire
sidewalk.
C
C
The
elevation
sure,
okay,
so
that's,
share,
screen
again
here
we
go
new
share.
D
D
C
There
we
go
so
this
shows
the
okay,
so
this
one
actually
is
showing
the
615
building,
which
was
divided
into
an
a
and
a
b
and
a
c
the
front
elevation,
which
is
in
the
middle
of
the
screen
that
shows
615
on
the
left
and
617
on
the
right.
The
narrower
building
on
the
right.
C
C
Then
yeah.
I
don't
think
we
need
to
necessarily
oh
yeah
the
to
see
the.
D
C
So
that
pretty
much
sums
up
the
the
scheme.
F
Sure
are
you
going
for
any
variances.
C
F
Great
well,
I
think
my
first
reaction
is
that
it
makes
sense
to
have
the
parking
on
the
meadow
street
side
and
it's
great
to
have
so
much
green
space
on
the
south
end
of
the
property,
I'm
wondering
about
the
it
looks
like
there's
a
sidewalk
on
the
east
side
and
a
little
lawn
space.
What's
the.
C
Sidewalk,
okay,
oh
yeah,
there's
an
access,
sidewalk,
okay,
so
all
the
meters
and
the
and
the
mini
splits
are
located
on
the
side
yard
sides
of
the
of
both
buildings
and
there's
an
access
sidewalk,
that's
not
for
for
public
use.
The
way
that
is
lit
is
simply
with
motion
sensors,
so
that
if
anybody
goes
back
there,
it's
lit
up,
you
know,
but
essentially
nobody's
invited
to
go
in
well
in
the
east
side
yard.
There's
nothing.
The
west
side
yard
of
the
other.
C
The
617
building,
has
a
rear
door
that
accesses
the
garbage
of
the
the
garbage
cans
of
the
of
that
building,
and
so
the
tenants
actually
have
use
of
that.
But
that's
also
done
with
a
motion
sensor,
because
it's
only
if
somebody
wanders
back
there
that
we
want
that
to
be
safe,
you
know
to
be
occupied,
but
we're
not
encouraging
it
to
be
occupied.
F
Like
a
main
street
feel
down
the
middle
okay,
I
really
like
that
concept
just
like
on
a
higher
level
design,
site
design.
I
think
it's
great
to
be
creating
a
pocket
community
in
there.
That's
all
I
really
have.
I
think
it
looks
like
a
nice
project
so
far.
B
G
Yeah,
I
agree
with
what
emily
said:
how
does
how
would
garbage
pick
up
in
recycling
work?
They
would
take
it
to
the
curb
of
meadows.
C
The
tenants,
the
tenant-
these
are
the
only
two
family
dwellings.
So
it's
not
quite
as
anonymous
as
some
as
if
you
had
say
that
many
units
that
were
in
a
project,
so
each
each
unit
has
its
own
set
of
garbage
cans
and
recycling
containers
and
those
are
brought
to
the
curb
at
on
garbage
and
recycling.
C
Well,
what
I'm
trying
to
do
is
raise
the
buildings
up
enough
that
when
you
walk
past
them
you
don't
the
people
inside
the
buildings
are
not
feeling
that
they're
connected
with
people
walking
by
okay,
that
they're
connected
with
the
landscape
outside
but
they're
not
connected
with
a
passers-by,
and
so
how
I
generally
do
my
my
building
plans
is,
I
generally
try
to
shove
the
windows
up
toward
the
ceiling,
so
I
can
get
sizeable
windows
with
a
sill,
that's
at
three
feet
so
that
essentially,
even
if
you
were
at
ordinary
grade,
you
would
have
some
kind
of
protection
from
people
right.
C
But
then,
if
we
raise
the
buildings
up
a
little
bit,
then
people
on
the
street
have
to
look
up
into
the
windows
and
they
see
the
upper
parts
of
rooms
you
know
without
having
to
you
know
shroud
all
of
the
windows.
You
know
in
order
to
feel
like
you
weren't
entirely
public
so
and
it's
not
a
significant
grave
change.
What's
the
it's
a
it's
sort
of
a
love
between
the
buildings,
that's
built
up
a
little
bit
more
than
a
foot.
C
I
think,
and
and
that
allows
me
to
push
those
buildings
up
up
and
out
which,
for
the
617
building,
which
has
three
stories
of
of
occupied
space,
there's
a
basement
which
has
the
master
bedrooms
for
both
apartments
and
then
a
main
floor
which
is
raised
up.
You
know
it's
typical
to
a
lot
of
the
you
know
the
ethica
houses
that
you
know
are
you
know
about.
C
You
know,
you
know
five
feet
off
the
ground
and
then
so
all
of
its
public
rooms
are
at
that
next
level
and
then
the
four
secondary
bedrooms
are
on
the
top
level,
which
would
be
the
second
floor.
G
Then
I
guess
maybe
you
could
speak
to
the
green
building
code
and
also
if
these
are
affordable
or
market
rate.
You
don't
have
to
go
into
too
much
detail
right
now,
but
maybe
speak
to
that.
C
These
these
are
market
rate,
the
green
building
code.
I'm
not
sure
that
I
understand
what
you're
asking.
A
Oh,
you.
A
C
A
D
C
And
I
can
tell
you
right
now
that
it
was
conceived
to
meet
the
energy
code
of
of
that
current
time.
The
you
know,
whatever
additional
things,
I'm
reasonably
certain
it
can
be
made
to
comply.
It's
not
there's
nothing
about
the
floor
plan
or
its
fenestration,
or
anything
that
I'm
pretty
sure
couldn't
be.
B
Thank
you
unless
mitch
has
more,
I
think
you
know
it
looks
like
a
good
project.
I'm
excited
to
see
development
at
this
particular
scale.
It's
well
cited
in
terms
of
where,
in
the
city,
it
is
it's
a
good
spot
for
additional
housing.
The
thin
building
is
going
to
be
really
visible.
So,
as
we
move
along,
you
know
paying
attention
to
the
impacts
on
that
building.
B
I'll
say
you
know
just
at
first
glance,
I
like
the
design,
and
you
know,
hope
it's
a
smooth
ride
as
we
get
a
deeper
into
the
project.
D
A
A
H
Navigate
technology
here
hold
on
okay
good
morning.
Let
me
do
a
since
this
is
newer
to
everyone
and,
like
lisa,
suggested
I'll,
do
a
quick
sort
of
overview
of
the
project.
If
that
works,
let
me
pull
it
up.
H
Let's
start
so,
this
is
at
407
cliff
street.
It's
the
old
encoderma
site.
We
link
morris,
along
with
our
design
team,
help
move
encodemap
to
a
new
site
in
dryden,
so
we're
trying
to
redevelop
this
site.
Currently
you
know
this
is
this:
is
the
large
sort
of
manufacturing
building
from
in
kotama?
They
have
existing
parking
on
both
the
north
side
and
the
south
side
of
the
building,
because
we're
trying
to
do
not
residential.
H
H
So
now
it's
going
through
site
plan
review
just
a
couple
of
pictures
of
the
existing
building.
You
know
very
industrial
kind
of
metal
exterior.
There
is
an
existing
slow.
There
is
an
existing
office
space
on
the
north
side
of
the
building,
and
so
what
we're
hoping
to
do
is
mix
a
mixed
use,
so
keeping
the
parking
relatively.
H
As
is
we
plan
on
bringing
up
the
edges
of
it
and
the
streetscape
a
bit
taking
away
some
of
the
paving
on
the
back
side,
which
would
be
the
east
side
of
the
building,
trying
to
open
it
up
a
little
bit
for
views
of
the
inlet
in
the
lake
and
our
mixed
use
idea
is
to
have
some
a
mix
of
short-term
long-term
residential
on
the
east
side,
so
units
in
this
area
units
in
this
area
and
then
on
the
street
side.
H
We're
looking
at
retail,
so
there'll
be
retail
along
the
the
cliff
street
side
along
with
sort
of
an
intimate
conference,
room
type
venue
which
would
be
right
in
the
middle
here
and
trying
to
keep
it
kind
of
fun
like
a
little
lounge
type
area
in
the
middle
as
well,
and
so
we're
trying
to
reuse
the
existing
building
as
much
as
possible.
H
We
will
make
modifications
to
it
obviously,
but
we're
trying
to
not
really
change
the
footprint
per
se,
except
you
know,
adding
greening
up
the
east
side
and
adding
some
decks
and
patios
for
the
residential.
Also,
the
the
office
space
which
is
in
this
corner
currently
will
will
probably
retain
his
office
space.
H
Let's
go
to
the
next
one,
show
some
landscaping
so
again
trying
to
sort
of
green
up
the
edges
of
both
the
street
and
the
parking
area
get
a
little
bit
of
screening
on
the
south
side,
because
we
are
pretty
close
to
neighbors.
We
want
to
give
them
a
little
bit
of
a
visual
screen
from
from
the
new
development
or
you
know,
or
what
we're
doing
here
and
also
screen
from
any
parking
cars,
their
headlights
from
the
parking
cars
going
into
the
neighbors
windows
and
whatnot.
H
Let's
look
at
some
elevations,
so
basically
taking
the
existing
building,
we're
trying
to
obviously
add
a
lot
more
glass
get
some
natural
light
into
the
space.
H
We're
popping
up
one
section
of
the
roof,
which
would
be
this
section
here
and
the
residential
to
again
get
some
more
natural
light
into
the
space
and
create
a
little
bit
more
of
a
interesting
interior
experience.
H
Because
that's
going
to
be
sort
of
the,
I
guess,
the
the
greeting
space,
the
lobby
of
the
residential,
otherwise
just
adding
a
lot
of
doors
and
windows
again
and
re-skinning
the
building,
and
that
allows
us
to
obviously
make
it
look
a
lot
nicer,
but
also
add
energy
upgrades
at
the
same
time
to
the
building
shell,
some
early,
some
just
early
renderings,
to
give
a
feel
for
kind
of
the
aesthetic
that
we're
going
for
sort
of
industrial.
H
Modern,
look,
you
know
clean
lines
but
trying
to
make
a
little
bit
more
warmer
materials
on
the
exterior,
but
but
sort
of
maintain
that
industrial
feel
at
the
same
time,
and
so
these
are
early
renderings.
Obviously,
things
are
going
to
change
a
little
bit
both
because
of
feedback
from
you
guys,
but
then
also,
as
we
start
digging
into
the
design
a
little
bit
more.
But
this
is
the
the
general
feel
that
we're
going
for.
H
H
Let
me
go
back
to
the
site
map
is
we'd
like
to
also
have
a
connection
down
to
cass
park,
black
diamond
trail,
children's
garden
kind
of
idea.
So
on
the
on
the
east
side.
Here
it
is
a
steep
slope.
I
totally
understand
that
we're
trying
to
work
through
the
design
of
how
to
make
this
happen,
but
as
soon
as
we
get
east
of
our
property
line,
it's
city-owned
land.
H
So
we
just
started
conversations
with
the
city
recently.
Hopefully
we'll
have
a
meeting
in
the
next
week
or
two.
So
far,
we've
got
a
positive
response
from
them.
It's
just
a
matter
of
logistics
at
this
point
of
how
we
make
it
work
and
ownership
maintenance
and
all
that
kind
of
stuff,
just
an
idea
of
how
we're
going
to
deal
with
the
slope
we're
looking
at
helical
piers
to
really
minimize
you
know,
erosion
or
effects
to
the
the
slope
and
the
soils
we
kind
of
do
an
elevated,
boardwalking
type
path.
H
Here
we
want
to
make
it
wide
enough
for
two
two-way
traffic
for
bikes
and
pedestrians,
so
obviously
a
little
bit
more
to
work
out
with
the
design
with
that
and
also
with
the
city
logistics.
But
that's
the
idea.
I
H
So
access
up
and
down,
we
think
it
would
be
really
interesting.
B
Well,
that's
a
lot
to
a
lot
to
respond
to
so,
let's
open
it
up
for
some
feedback
and
questions
emily.
If
it's
all
right,
let's
start
again
with
you.
F
Sure,
thank
you.
I
mean,
I
think
an
adaptive
reuse
of
a
building
is
great.
I
hope
the
pud
process
goes
well
because
it
seems
like
the
type
of
services
and
program
that
you're
offering
would
be
a
good
fit
for
this
location.
F
I
mean
generally,
I
like
the
look
of
it
too,
and
the
public
connection
to
cast
is
wonderful.
I
hope
that
works
out.
I
feel
like
you're,
going
to
have
to
take
down
a
lot
of
trees.
So
can
you
talk
about
that
at
some
point,
maybe
at
the
meeting
next
time,
if
you
have
a
plan
for
that
so
far,
and
also
I
wondered
about
two
other
cottages-
is
that,
like
a
future.
H
F
H
Added
those
cottages,
besides
the
building
so
yeah
that
would
be
additional
residential,
short-term,
long-term
residential
yeah
sort
of
a.
We
were
thinking
it's
sort
of
a
buffer
as
far
as
the
parking
from
the
neighbors
we'll
see
how
that
that
plays
out.
As
far
as
going
through
municipal
approvals
and
stuff
but
yeah.
G
G
H
They
just
as
a
quick
response.
Those
are
existing
curve
cuts.
H
Trying
to
utilize
those,
especially
because
dot,
doesn't
really
like
new
curb
cuts,
often
especially
if
there's
existing
so
we're
trying
to
just
utilize.
What's
there.
G
I
mean
if
they're
new
and
they're
safer,
maybe
there's
something
there,
but
I
don't
it
just
strikes
me
that
that's
a
pretty
busy
fast
road
and
you're
gonna
have
a
lot
more
people
coming
in
and
out
than
office
use
right.
If
you've
got
a
mix
of
uses,
there's
going
to
be
multiple
times
a
day
with
cars
in
and
out.
I
G
I
To
share
some
details
of
the
living
space
there,
this
is
going
to
carry
the
motif
of
an
industrial
environment
through
the
residential
they're,
going
to
be
loft
departments
made
out
of
both
reclaimed
timber
and
timber.
So
it's
this
flavor
of
really
unique
industrial
is
going
to
carry
throughout
that
and
the
retreat
center.
B
Thanks
mitch
really
neat
project,
it
looks
like
you,
you've
taken
what
could
have
been
a
pretty
simple
reuse
project
and
made
it
as
hard
on
yourself
as
humanly
possible.
A
lot
of
my
questions
like
they're,
not
even
planning
questions
from
a
planning
perspective.
I
think
this
works.
You
know
they're,
like
development
questions
like
how
does
your
lender
feel
about
all
these
mixes
of
uses,
which
you
shouldn't
answer?
It's
not
my
business.
I
think
that
getting
this
through
the
pud
process
is
going
to
be
a
challenge.
B
G
B
It's
a
it's
a
complicated
mix
of
uses
for
you
know,
and
it's
got
to
get
approved
by
common
council,
which
is
a
political
body,
and
I
you
know
I
just
I
see
it
being
potentially
hairy
more
hairy
than
if
they
were
just
going
to
turn
it
into.
You
know
a
thing,
but
you
know
I
could.
I
could
be
misreading
that
I'm
not
I'm
not.
A
A
B
Oh
no,
I
mean
I,
I
I
get
it
it's.
You
know
it's
compelling
all
right.
Well,
I
think
that
maybe
does
it
for
at
least
things
I
have
to
say,
and
I
think
emily
and
mitch
are,
and
they
look
good
anything
that
we
should
address
lisa
before
we
let
them
go.
A
No
we're
just
gonna
do
declaration
of
lead
agency
next
at
the
planning
board
meeting,
so
you'll
get
a
similar
president
board
we'll
get
a
similar
presentation.
A
Impressed
with
your
solution
to
the
to
the
the
connection
to
cass
park,
when
this
initially
came
out,
there
was
a
different.
You
know
there
was
a
lot
of
talk
about
the
slope
and,
if
you're
able
to
build
such
a
boardwalk,
that
would
be
really
incredible.
It
looks
expensive.
H
And
lisa,
I
know
that
you
you've
asked
for
some
additional
materials
and
we're
working
on
those
we'll
get
them
to
you
next
week
before
the
the
next
inhaling
to
the
planning
part.
So,
okay,
if
you
can
just
put
us
back
into
the
waiting
room
as
well,
because
brandon
will
be
on
for
5
10
a
little
bit
later.
That
would
be
great,
so.
A
K
Oh,
I'm
sorry
again
we'll
get
this
straight.
You
can
see
my
face.
My
name
is
nathan
brown,
I'm
with
holtz
architects.
I'm
working
on
the
228
dryden
road
project
with
me
is
adam
fishel.
From
marathon
we
had
an
opportunity
to
give
you
a
brief
rundown,
the
other
night
at
the
planning
board
meeting.
K
A
K
A
K
Okay,
to
kind
of
just
give
you
a
refresher
on
the
orientation
here:
dryden
road
running
east
west:
this
is
the
two-story
residence
right
now.
The
site
that
has
the
good
old
purple
piano
out
front
right
here,
so
we're
kind
of
in
between
and
behind
or
in
front
of
the
lux
right
along
dryden.
This
site,
if
you
recall,
is
very
challenging
in
terms
of
the
grade.
It
drops
probably
20
some
odd
feet
from
the
northeast
corner
to
the
southwest
corner.
K
Down
so
this
was
the
proposed
building
that
we
showed
you
guys
last
week
for
two
weeks
ago.
Some
of
the
comments
that
we
heard
were
really
kind
of
a
lot
about
the
vegetation.
That's
there
I
mean.
I
think
we
all
acknowledge
that
there
is
some
overgrowth
in
the
front
which
provides
kind
of
a
nice
lush
buffer
to
the
building.
In
the
back.
K
We
do
have
an
updated
planting
plan
that
we
are
working
on
implementing
right
now
and
I'll
get
into
kind
of
the
whole
front
of
house
circulation
and
kind
of
show
you
some
of
that
stuff
in
a
second
here
you
know,
but
our
intent
is
really
to
over
plant
as
much
as
we
possibly
can
in
the
front
in
order
to
reestablish
some
of
that
greenery.
That's
there
we
do
have
limitations.
There
is
an
overhead
line
right
over
the
sidewalk,
so
we're
not
going
to
be
putting
any
large
tall
trees
right
against
that
edge.
K
Our
building
is
held
back
about
10
feet
from
the
property
line,
so
we
kind
of
have
limited
space
in
there,
so
we'll
do
as
much
kind
of
green
shrubs
as
we
can
to
kind
of
break
down
some
of
that
frontage.
So
one
of
the
other
questions,
let's
go
to
the
plans
you
guys
had
asked
about
layout
and
kind
of
what
the
what
the
layout
of
the
building
was
going
to
be.
K
So
here
is
the
basement.
What
we're
calling
the
basement,
which
is
the
entry
level
dryden
again
running
east
west
down
at
the
bottom.
Here
we
have
a
set
of
stairs
which
would
take
you
up
to
you,
know
a
lobby
vestibule
and
into
kind
of
the
elevator
lobby
here
that
elevator
lobby
would
access
basement
and
one
through
four
up
above
and
then
you'd
have
kind
of
a
little.
You
know
front
back
elevator,
which
would
get
you
to
kind
of
the
landing
which
has
where
the
first
basement
level
of
residences
are.
K
K
This
unit
here
would
actually
on
the
first
floor,
would
have
kind
of
a
patio
over
the
entrance
and
then
the
units
to
the
north
with
all
on
the
first
floor
now,
if
you
can
kind
of
imagine
you
know
section
cut
kind
of
through
the
building
here,
you
can
see.
K
Of
course,
this
is
going
to
take
forever
to
load
the
grade
difference
between
the
two.
So
these
units,
which
are
on
the
first
floor,
are
actually
at
grade.
This
is
kind
of
in
egress
alley
between
the
lux
and
our
building,
so
there
is
some
space
back
there
and
I'll.
Actually,
I'm
gonna
in
a
second
I'm
gonna
transition
over
to
the
3d
model.
So
we
can
look
at
some
of
this
stuff
three-dimensionally
and
then
we
can,
you
know,
talk
about
it
and
I
can
move
around.
You
guys
can
ask
you
know
questions.
K
So
this
is
you
know
the
floor.
Plate
floors,
one
through
four,
are
all
repetitive
as
it
goes
up.
It's
a
fairly
standard
double
loaded
corridor.
Each
of
these
units
has
big
large
kind
of
storefront
windows.
K
That
really
is
going
to
let
a
lot
of
natural
light,
especially
this
southern
exposure,
a
lot
of
natural
light
into
the
units
themselves,
and
so
that's
essentially
the
plan
and
then
with
material
question,
came
up
in
terms
of
materials,
so
the
brick
itself
we're
looking
in
kind
of
this,
it's
called
a
shadow,
matte
gray,
so
it's
kind
of
a
lighter
grayish
color,
and
that
would
be.
K
The
lower
level
kind
of
basement
level
of
the
building
and
then
the
stair
tower
kind
of
vertical
circulation
core
along
the
side
of
the
building,
so
it
kind
of
you
know,
would
wrap
the
building
and
wrap
up
around
the
side
starts.
To
kind
of
you
know,
pay
homage,
and
you
know
transition
a
little
bit
to
that
kind
of
college.
Town
materiality.
That's
down
there.
K
For
the
metal
panel
for
pardon
me,
this
is
the
nichiha.
The
niechiha
is
kind
of
a
resin
panel.
It
would
be
the
back
of
the
building
and
the
sides.
This
image
would
pause,
which
I
don't
know
that
it
will.
This
is
essentially
the
look
that
would
be
around
the
building.
It's
a
panelized.
Look
that
wraps
the
building.
K
That
look
would
be,
and
it's
hard
to
see
here,
but
I'll
fly
it.
So
it's
the
sides
of
the
building
in
the
back
of
the
building,
and
the
idea
here
was
to
use
a
white
or
a
really
light
color
so
that
it
disappears.
It
doesn't
become
a
large
heavy
mass.
You
know,
especially
with
some
of
the
proximity
of
the
buildings.
It'll,
also
allow
for
a
little
bit
more
kind
of
an
ambient
light
to
bounce
around
back
in
there
and
provide
some
some
extra
light
back
in
there.
K
The
metal
panels
themselves
are
kind
of
a
red,
it's
called
staircore.
We
would
do
the
dry
s.
Pardon
me
the
yeah,
the
dry
seal
system,
so
you
get
kind
of
a
routed
route
and
reveal
kind
of
look
on
this
and
the
color
here
is
kind
of
that
ruby.
It's
called
redwood,
but
it's
kind
of
a
real,
deep,
rich
red.
K
It's
not
bright.
It's
not!
You
know
super
illuminant,
but
you
know,
does
have
kind
of
a
really
rich
color
to
it,
and
then
we
can
talk
a
little
bit
about
materiality
for
the
front.
K
You
know
the
idea
out
front
is
that
the
formed
concrete
walls
that
are
kind
of
creating
some
of
the
retainage
and
allowing
us
to
set
our
buildings
and
get
up
so
some
of
those
patio
spaces
looking
at
something
like
this
board
form.
So
it's
not
a
concrete
wall.
It
actually
has
kind
of
the
grain
texture
of
the
wood
and
looks
a
little
bit
more
kind
of
organic
in
there.
K
So
all
in
all,
you
know
here's
the
the
building
itself.
You
know
you
get
the
kind
of
board
form
concrete
walls
which
is
all
of
our
form
work
down
below
and
then
you
know,
we'd
intersperse.
You
know
plantings
at
various
points.
Lisa
had
asked
the
question
last
time
about
sidewalk
out
front
and
kind
of
how
we
were
starting
to
address
the
sidewalk
and.
A
We
should
probably
we
don't
have
so
much
more
time,
so
maybe
get
some
comments
from
the
board
before.
F
K
There
is
a
outside
of
the
entry
here.
This
terrace,
which
will
be
this,
will
be
for
the
use
of
the
tenants
of
the
building.
You
know
we,
I
think
we've
tried
to
mitigate
that
by
providing
balconies
for
every
unit,
so
everybody
has
the
ability
to
get
outside.
F
Sure,
okay,
I
don't
have
too
many
comments.
I
mean,
I
think,
I'm
glad
to
see
really
high
quality
materials
all
the
way
around
the
building.
Unless
you,
you
know,
pull
out
a
an
east
elevation,
that's
all
stucco
or
something,
but
I
I
think
it's
if
it's
all
nietzsche,
how
that's
great
the
resin
panels-
and
I,
like
the
look
of
the
board
formed
concrete
out
front-
seems
like
high
quality
materials
everywhere.
F
Maybe
that's
all
I
have
right
now.
Maybe
you
can
come
back
to
me
in
a
bit.
G
Yeah
continues
to
look
good,
it's
a
good
project
and
you
know
just
kind
of
building
on
emily's
comment
from
last
time
about
the
landscape
in
the
front.
I
do
think
we
need
to
drill
down
a
little
bit
on
that
some
more.
I
I'm
not
sure
if
you
have
a
landscape
architect
on
this
project,
can
you
just
give
me
a
simple
yes
or
no
on
that
question,.
G
Okay,
so
I
I
think
you
know
we
just
need
a
little
bit
more
depth
in
terms
of
the
thinking,
especially
when
it
comes
to
this
idea
of
plants
spilling
over
those
walls
or
growing
up
those
walls.
I
think
there
is
a
lot
of
opportunities
to
have
this
project
be
a
building
sitting
on
a
green
base,
and
that
would
totally
change
the
perspective,
rendering
that
you
continue
to
show
which
is
a
building
sitting
on
a
lot
of
concrete
walls.
G
I
mean
I
appreciate
the
wood
form
concrete,
but
I
think
there
is
a
lot
to
be
done
with
the
types
of
plants
or
even
a
structural
system
that
begins
to
cover
those
walls,
so
that
you
ensure
that
this
thing
has
a
green
base,
especially
on
the
walls
over
time
and-
and
I
do
think
there
are
other
opportunities
for
columnar
trees
that
work.
You
know
with
the
wires
with
ornamental
flowering
trees
that
could
grow
beneath
the
wires.
You
know,
I
think
there
are
ways
here,
so
it's
it's
kind
of
a
complicated
problem.
G
L
If,
if
I
could
just
make
one
quick
comment
on
that
one,
you
know
we're
kind
of
faced
with
a
few
different
problems
there.
As
you
mentioned,
there's
limited
space,
there's
limited
soil
along
the
sidewalk,
there's
salting
concerns,
and
then
the
planters
that
are
coming
up
up
the
ramps
and
up
the
stairs.
Those
areas
are
likely
to
freeze
because
they're
exposed
on
a
couple
different
sides
and
not
just
the
top,
so
we're
being
challenged
there.
But
we
certainly
hear
what
the
board
is
saying.
D
A
Next,
I
was
just
gonna
say
next
week
I
mean
at
the
planning
board
meeting:
is
we're
scheduled
to
do
design
reviews,
so
that
would
be
a
really
good
time
to
have
your
landscape
architect
come
to
the
actual
planning
board
meeting-
and
you
know,
put
some
thought
into
this:
maybe
you
don't
have
to
have
completely
developed
drawings,
but
just
what
direction
you're
going
to
go
in
to
address
this.
B
Reasonable
emily.
F
Yeah
just
for
the
the
meeting
when
we
see
you
in
a
few
weeks,
I
would
love
to
see
that
section
to
understand
the
grade:
change
the
north
south
section
and
also
in
east
west.
To
understand.
I
see
that
there's
a
building
on
the
east
side
that
looks
fairly
large
so
to
just
get
some
more
context.
Street
view
is
more
context
section
with
more
context.
I
think
that
will
help
a
lot
for
the
discussion
in
a
few
weeks,
yeah.
A
No,
they
will
submit
a
design,
review
application
and
they're
scheduled
for
a
public
hearing
and
design
review
next
month.
So
that
won't
be
the
end
of
the
talk
about
the
design.
But
hopefully
you
can
take
the
planning
boards
committee's
comments
and
integrate
them
into
materials
for
your
design
view
application.
L
A
I
just
want
to
update
the
board
really
briefly.
The
project
did
not
go
to
the
vca
last
month
due
to
just
a
procedural
error,
so
they
so
you
know
they
can
come
back
to
the
board
in
10
days
or
not.
If
you
feel
comfortable
doing
conditional
approval
before
the
bza
makes
their
decision,
you
could
do
that
either
way
is
fine.
G
L
Yeah
so
let's
see
anything
else
lisa
or
should
I
just
jump
right
in.
L
Yeah,
I
think,
there's
not
much
to
really
update
here,
we're
still
waiting
on
a
response
from
state
parks
on
the
sidewalk
connection
to
the
south
south
southeast.
Rather,
I
believe
the
only
comment-
and
I
believe
it
came
maybe
from
emily
from
the
planning
board
meeting
or
the
previous
prc
meeting-
was
to
add
a
railing
around
the
patio
area,
and
we
have
done
that
on
two
sides
facing
a
section
here
facing
the
main
drive
isle
and
then
on
the
on
the
west
side
facing
the
the
kfc
dry
vial.
L
As
I
mentioned
at
the
previous
planning
board
meeting,
we
do
have
some
planters
planting
containers
out
here
for
some
seasonal
seasonal
plantings
to
kind
of
break
up
that
view
and
provide
some
privacy
there.
As
I
mentioned
at
the
meeting,
I
did
not
want
to
put
a
fence
up
just
to
try
to
avoid
impeding
a
line
of
sight
for
a
vehicle
trying
to
turn
from
the
stop
sign.
L
You
know
impeding
that
view
to
the
to
the
right,
so
we
provided
the
site
perspectives
at
the
last
meeting,
and
you
know
I
don't
think
we've
heard
anything
on
that,
so
I
guess
I'll
turn
the
baton
back
over
to
you.
Folks.
B
Very
much
lisa.
A
L
L
You
know
we're
at
20
spaces
and
that
you
know
19
18,
19
20
seems
to
be
the
magic
number
for
kfc
and
I'll.
Let
rich
speak
to
that,
but
I
think
that's
something
that
we
could
certainly
do.
E
Yeah
we'd
like
to
keep
it
around
20.
If
we
need
to
you,
know,
reduce
one
to
get
a
landscape
island
in
there.
For
you,
I'm
I'm
sure.
That's
not
going
to
be
a
dramatic
issue
for
us.
I
mean
it's,
it's
one
parking
spot
and
in
today's
world,
no
matter
how
much
we
try
to
to
make
people
walk.
They're
gonna
want
to
run,
or
you
know,
take,
take
their
car,
go
to
the
drive-through
and
go
home.
L
And
you
know
one
one
thought
rich:
we
could
also
move
some
of
the
parking
one
or
two
spaces
down
here
in
front
of
the
dumpster
enclosure,
because
the
trash
isn't
going
to
be
collected
during
business
hours.
So
we
could
right.
We
could
easily
carve
out
a
spot
here
in
the
middle
tree.
Lisa
yeah.
B
Great
I,
unless
there's
going
to
be
new
stuff
for
us
to
look
at
in
10
days.
I
don't
know
that
there's
value
in
having
you
guys
come
before
the.
B
A
G
I
don't
know
how
to
say
this,
but
I
guess
I
would
apologize
for
having
a
little
bit
of
a
change
of
a
heart
on
this
project
and
it's,
I
don't
think
it's
gonna,
stop
the
process
at
all.
It's
going
to
be
fine,
but
I
just
wanted
to
express
an
opinion
about
the
facade
of
the
building
and
I
I
know
we
had
a
brief
discussion
a
while
back
about
the
you
know
this
idea
of
toning,
the
building
down
and
having
it
be
brown
in
the
back.
G
But
when
I
was
in
cleveland
over
the
past
week,
you
know
there's
lots
of
sort
of
similar
urban
conditions
that
are,
you
know,
similar
to
meadow
street,
and
there
was
a
kfc
there.
That
was
different
than
this.
You
know
it
had
brick,
it
had
the
it
had
the
branding,
of
course,
but
it
had
more
sort
of
openness
and
glass
and
brick,
and
I
just
I
just
struck
me
that
we
spent
a
lot
of
time
talking
about
architecture
and
architecture
detailing
with
other
projects
on
meadow
street.
G
G
So
again,
I
apologize
that
this
is
sort
of
late
news
and
I
and
I
don't
feel
like
it's
gonna
delay
the
project
by
any
means,
but
I
did
want
to
express
that,
and
I
I
didn't
know
what
the
right
form
was,
but
I
thought
I
would
just
say
it
now.
E
Mitch
this
is
rich
wilkinson.
Can
you
tell
me
where
you
were
in
cleveland.
G
It
was,
it
was
in
north
olmsted.
E
It's
yeah,
it's
it's
a
it's
an
older
design,
but
it
is
brick.
So
let
me
let
me
see
if
I
can
pull
up
a
quick
elevation
for
you,
if
not
I'll,
get
something
for
you
guys
to
look
at
so
we
can
discuss
it
for
our
next
meeting.
D
E
I
mean
the
the
big
thing.
Is
you
know
I?
I
don't
want
to
slow
down
the
process,
because
at
this
point
changing
it
right
is
kind
of
going
to
run
into
problems
with
getting
it
done
before
the
end
of
the
winter
yeah.
B
Yeah,
I
I
hear
that,
and
I
don't
know
that
we
need
to
look
at
it
today
right.
It's
not
like
this
committee
is
gonna
gonna
decide
to
go
back
to
an
earlier
stage
in
this
process.
Although
the
board
could.
G
A
F
M
F
And
hopefully
on
the
patio
but
but
yeah
I
mean
I
would
look
at
other
options
too.
I
still
feel
pretty
comfortable
with
it.
It
would
not
hurt
to
look
at
some
of
the
details,
so
I
think
mitch
is
right
that
we've,
you
know.
Sometimes
the
renderings
are
so
good
that
we
feel
like
we
understand
the
building
without
the
details,
but
it
could
be
great
to
just
understand
a
section
of
how
far
the
windows
are
recessed
and
what
is
the
top
coping,
and
so
I'm
sure
you
have
those
already.
F
L
F
B
Thanks
emily,
so
I
did
just
say
that
we
don't
need
you
next
month,
but
I
think
I'm
gonna
walk
that
back,
because
it
sounds
like
there's
some
there's
an
appetite
to
look
at
some
details
and
some
additional
sort
of
design
thoughts
on
this
building.
So
maybe
we
we
have
the
applicant
in
10
days
just
to
talk
about
that.
Not
necessarily
move
on
approvals.
Wait
to
do
approvals
till
after
we're
through
bca.
F
B
A
Start
so
this
project
is
scheduled
for
a
seeker
at
the
june
meeting.
So
in
order
to
achieve
that,
we
have
to
be
really
focused
about
what's
left
in
the
seeker
and
and
how
it's
going
to
be
fulfilled
just
to
set
things
up
for
the
discussion.
B
A
M
A
Part
three
in
the
packets.
J
N
Brandon
just
realized
good
morning,
everyone-
I
don't
know
if
everybody's
had
a
chance
to
see
the
draft
part
three
as
it's
been
updated.
Most
recently,
we
sent
in
yesterday
a
fair
amount
of
added.
No,
we
sent
in
a
fair
amount
of
added
comments
to
help
kind
of
tidy
up
everything,
and
I
could
bring
this
thing
up.
I
don't
know
lisa
how
best
to
go
through
this
seeker
elements
with
everyone.
N
N
N
N
So
what
we
found
is
that
it
is
feasible
for
us,
obviously
to
do
the
same
thing
here.
What
we
don't
know
yet
is,
if
it's
feasible
from
a
budgetary
standpoint,
they
are
reviewing
that
they
have
received
some
preliminary
pricing
and
they
need
to
work
out
a
couple
of
further
logistical
issues
to
see
if
any
added
costs
would
be
involved
with
making
that
work.
But
there's
all
the
it's
it's
kind
of
a
complicated
system,
because,
as
you
do
that
you
start
making
trade-offs
with
how
the
sub
base
of
the
foundation
works.
N
Whether
it's
you
know
this
two-way
reinforced,
structural
slab
or
you're,
just
doing
spread,
puddings
and
grade
beams,
and
so
there's
so
they're
working
out
some
of
that
kinks
to
kind
of
really
get
fine
line
down
to
know
what
they're
comparing
it
against
in
terms
of
what
they
have
for
cost
right
now
on
the
driven
piles.
Obviously
it
is
a
desire
of
the
project
team
to
save
money
because
of
the
way
these
low
income,
housing
projects,
work
with
funding
and,
obviously
very
tight
budgets
anyway.
N
That
being
said,
everybody
is
hopeful
that
it
will
work
because
it
actually
turned
out
to
be
a
little
bit
cheaper
on
the
founders
way
project,
so
there's
some
kind
of
fingers
crossed.
You
know
I
guess,
as
we
get
through
this,
that
hopefully
that'll
that'll
pan
out,
but
I
will
say
you
know
we're
trying
to
make
this
as
a
as
quick
a
turnaround
as
we
possibly
can
and
having
this
kind
of
put
on
us
in
a
very
tight
timeline.
It's
you
know.
N
We
realized
the
you
know,
we're
ten
days
away
from
trying
to
get
this
secret
done
and
we've
only
had
about
a
week
or
so
to
really
start
investigating
this
thing
hard
with
the
alternate.
So
we.
A
B
Has
to
be
a
reason
not
to
do
it.
You
know
if
you're
gonna
go
a
more
impactful
route.
You
have
to
have
a
rationale
for
why
you're
not
going
the
less
impactful
route.
N
Right
all
we
ask
is
that
we
would
be
treated
the
same
way
that
other
projects
have
been
treated
and
it
does
seem
that
ironworks
kind
of
didn't
get
a.
You
know
as
much
of
a
shakedown
in
this
that
we
seem
to
be
getting
at
a
late
point,
because
while
this
may
have
been
a
concern
throughout
the
project,
we
were
only
asked
about
a
week
and
a
half
ago
to
investigate
an
alternate
method.
So
I
just
want
to
make
that
clear.
We
could
have
investigated
this
two
months
ago.
N
If
it
was
said,
hey
we
don't
want
to
see
driven
piles,
go
a
different
route,
and
that
was
not
told
to
us
until
about
a
week
and
a
half
ago.
So
you
know
that
that's
where
we're
at
and
we're
doing
that.
N
But
my
point
is:
is
that
it
takes
a
lot
of
time
and
this
thing
has
been
developed
and
pricing
is
not
something
we
can
just
pull
out
of
thin
air
and
say
it's
going
to
work
and
and
to
back
that
up
as
what
I'm
getting
at
is
that
we
already
do
have
a
system
that
we
know
works,
and
it
is
in
the
budget
and
we're
all
hopeful
that
this
will
come
in
cheaper,
because
we
realize
the
sensitivity
of
the
matter
and
obviously,
saving
money
is
helpful
for
for
this
project
type
and
and
it's
an
important
step.
H
A
So
you
know
more
detailed
information
about
that,
so
just
to
so
that
the
board
can
judge
the
impacts
right
now,
all
we
know
are
they're
driven
piles.
You
know
that's
the
full
extent
of
what
we
know.
So
you
know
if
it's
a
particular
kind
of
driven
pile
that
is
less
impactful
than
another.
K
N
Well,
yeah,
no,
I
don't
think
it
is,
I
think,
driven
pile
with
a
it's,
a
steel,
pile,
that's
driven
and
I
think,
no
matter
what
you're
talking
about.
In
that
case,
it's
it's
a
loud,
noisy,
percussive
process.
I
mean
we,
I
you
know.
We
hear
that
throughout
the
city,
the
library
did
it,
projects
in
college
town
have
done
it
yeah,
it's
noise,
it's
disruptive
so,
and
the
nice
thing
is
obviously
with
the
cmc.
It
is
much
less
so
I
mean
it's
basically
typical
construction,
noise.
N
O
N
That
that's
that
item,
I'm
gonna
bring
up
really
quickly.
So
I
you
know,
I
guess
so.
There's
impact
on
the
impact
on
surface
water.
You
know
we
had
a
we've
got
a
response
from
adam
official.
That
basically
says
you
know
basic
swift's
going
to
be
required
for
the
city
of
visiting
requirements,
site,
roof,
runoff
is
being
collected
and
routed
to
existing
storm
sewers
and
impact
to
surface
water
is
not
anticipated,
basically,
meaning
we're
going
to
be
handling
all
of
that
stuff
so
that
there
isn't
an
impact
surface
water.
N
Scrolling
through
this
quickly,
oh
so
the
precast
one
of
the
board
members,
I
think,
had
asked
about
how
the
precast
window
sills
were
going
to
be
distributed
throughout.
Oh
did
I
lose
you
guys.
Where
am
I.
N
There
we
go
sorry
how
the
the
precast
hills
were
distributed
throughout
the
building.
Our
response
was
that
the
those
sills
occur
within
the
areas
of
the
building
that
contain
the
brick
facades.
So
that's
they're
gonna
be
the
precast
seals
to
there.
We
just
need
to
make
sure
that
that's
a
sufficient
understood
explanation
or
if
we
need
to
provide
further
descriptors
to
to
satisfy
that.
I
think
I
don't
think
that
board
member's
here
today.
It
was
a
woman.
I
forget
her.
G
N
Thank
you.
Yes,
yes,
so
we
have
that
and
then.
N
So
the
part
two
stuff
or
I'm
sorry,
not
part,
two
face
the
phase
two
esa
lisa.
This
is
actually
I
I
raised
this
issue
of
concern
with
the
project
team.
The
development
team
last
week
there's
an
unfortunate
separation
of
communication.
N
That's
been
happening
with
the
development
side
of
things
and
then
the
city
side
of
things
and
the
the
development
side
had
made
an
assumption
of
processing
for
a
phase
2
vsa
once
they
got
their
next
round
of
funding
through
hcr
they've,
now
realized
that
they
need
to
get
on
the
ball
with
this
and
the
questions
that
we
had
for.
You
is
whether
or
not
we
are
able
to
respond
to
this.
These
concerns
without
having
the
phase
two
and
what
sort
of
response
might
that
require.
A
All
right,
so
the
the
issue
is,
is
that
the
phase
one
esa,
that
they
submitted
had
recognized
environmental
conditions,
which
usually
then
means
that
there's
a
phase
two
asa,
and
so
so
you
can
investigate
them
and
how
you
might
have
to
what
you
might
have
to
do
to
mitigate
it.
If
anything
or
you
know
in
this
case
it's
a
residential
project,
so
you
know
what
what
might
you
have
to
do
so?
As
I
see
it,
my
I
mean
my
main
concerns.
P
A
A
What
kind
of
what
kind
of
systems
would
have
to
be
in
place?
If
you
know
the
phase
2
esa
shows
you
know
an
impact
that
needs
to
be
mitigated.
What
would
those
mitigations
be
and
who
would
be
responsible
for
making
sure
those
happen.
N
Okay
and
you're-
okay,
though,
with
us
giving
that
answer
ahead
of
having
a
phase
two
done,
basically
knowing
that
it
does
need
to
be
done
or
should
be
done
and
we'd
be
answering,
because
my
concern
right
now
is
the
timing
of
trying
to
get
a
phase.
Two
is
say
done
before
june.
22Nd.
A
A
B
B
N
A
H
N
That
gives
me
just
a
little
bit
more
like
comfort
or
peace
of
mind,
because
I
I
expressed
to
the
rest
of
the
team,
I
said:
look
if
you
guys
don't
have
the
space
to
essay
and
it's
required
like
we're,
stalled,
we're
not
moving
forward
until
that's
done
and
knowing
how
everything
is
kind
of
happening
right
now
in
the
world
in
terms
of
people
being
busy.
It's
not
like.
N
We
can
probably
get
something
like
that
turned
around
in
two
weeks
like
I
said
so,
it's
like
we're,
probably
gonna
get
bumped
a
month
or
two,
and
that
could
start
having
greater
impacts
in
the
rest
of
the
process,
which
we
want
to
try
to
avoid,
of
course,
but
obviously
we
realize
that
the
reality
is
so.
N
Okay,
then
that
we
did
this
so
a
trap.
Okay,
so
there
the
parking,
there's
a
parking
item
having
an
estimate
of
how
many
people
are
expected
to
own
cars
where
they
make
park.
We
have
so
we
have
data
off
of
the
the
traffic
study
that
I
submitted.
The
srf
had
done
when
this
project
was
a
much
larger
project.
I
think
it
was
like
76
units.
Obviously,
it
was
an
extra
story.
N
We
had
like
a
couple
thousand
square
feet
of
commercial
space,
so
we're
less
than
that
in
terms
of
unit
count
and
commercial
count,
and
the
that
study
showed
that
there
was
ample
parking
they
gave.
N
There
were
certain
percentages
based
on
data
survey,
data
of
car
ownership
and
so
forth
that
we
feel
is
sufficient
to
answer
those
questions
or
give
give
the
board
the
peace
of
mind
in
terms
of
this
part,
three
requirement
that
we
are
not
creating
a
burden
within
that
neighborhood
beyond
what
it
can
actually
absorb
in
terms
of
that
added
parking
and
or
trip
generation.
N
So
if
it
again,
if
that
data
doesn't
feel
up
to
par,
I
mean
obviously
that's
something
else
again.
We
have
to
address
again
in
another
fashion,
but
we
we
feel
that
it
would
so
I'm
if
anybody
wants
to
give
me
feedback
on
that.
A
N
One
being
smaller
yeah,
they
feel
comfortable,
knowing
that
that
that
that
report,
which
covered
a
larger
project,
showed
that
we
were
within
a
compliant
situation
with
you
know,
number
of
you
know:
trip
generation,
car
ownership,
parking,
etc.
N
That
being
now
that
we're
at
a
smaller
scale,
that
that
report
would
kind
of
still
hold
true
in
essence,
that
we'd
actually
be
even
doing
better
than
what
we
were
previously
and
if
the
board
was
comfortable
with
that,
we
would
like
to
be
able
to
just
have
that
as
a
submitted
document
to
suffice
in
these
this
category.
A
Well,
it
doesn't,
it
sounds.
It
sounds
perfectly
reasonable
to
me.
I
think
it
partially
comes
from
you
know
the
transportation
engineer
asking
for
this
for
this
project
and
probably
they
did
not
receive
the
previous
one.
So
I
think
I
need
to
check
with
them.
It
sounds
perfectly
reasonable
to
me,
but
I
can
provide
them
with
that
information
and
ask
for
their
feedback.
N
It's
understandable
that
they,
they
don't
remember
it
or
whatnot
so
and
then
deliveries.
That
was
a
quick
one.
It
said
you
know
asking
about
if
there's
any
designated
delivery
spaces
on
the
street
within
a
block.
The
project's
like
we
look,
there's
not
there's
no
designated
and
part
of
this
came
down
to.
N
I
think,
a
response
that
says
the
project
does
not
propose
to
change
parking
or
delivery
spaces
on
the
street,
which
is
obviously
still
true,
and
we
are
just
confirming
that
there
are
no
designated
delivery
spaces
within
the
immediate
proximity
of
the
project
site.
I
checked
all
three
sides.
N
And
they're
just
there
isn't
it
so
that
was
pretty
minor.
Will
the
building
be
serviced
with
garbage
and
recycling
on
seneca?
Yes,
it
is.
The
garbage
room
is
on
the
ground
floor.
N
Although
it
does
collect
throughout
the
building
on
every
floor,
then
the
main
bui,
the
main
room,
is
on
the
ground
floor
and
that
would
be
pulled
from
the
transition
space
between
the
corn
street
wing
and
the
seneca
street
wing
and
then
there's
a
walkway
that
leads
out
to
seneca
and
that's
where
the
garbage
would
be
pulled
to
for
pickup
and
servicing
out
there
by
building
maintenance.
It
would
not
be
a
tenant
based
process.
You
know
obviously.
N
Pertain
to
the
city
transportation
engineer
the
next
one
is
regarding
bike
parking
on
the
on
the
site,
and
we
do
have
an
interior
bike
storage
size
to
accommodate
one
bike
per
five
bedrooms,
which
is
a
total
of
like
19
bikes.
N
N
Jumping
down.
Oh
so
this
I
think
I
would
where
I
would
let
patrick
jump
in
this
is
pertaining
to
the
applicants
coordinating
with
neighbors
to
seek
preference
between
limited
hours
of
pile
driving
versus
expanded
hours
in
a
shorter
duration.
J
So
I
reached
out
to
the
five
neighbors
who
had
sent
letters
of
concern
or
question
to
planning
board
meetings
in
march
and
april.
I've
only
gotten
response
back
from
so
jenna
milner
who
operates
a
massage
center
about
2.5
blocks
away,
was
really
thankful
for
the
information
it
provided.
J
She
said
she
actually
supports
a
dense
urban
core
with
low
income
housing
and
from
her
standpoint,
she
just
wanted
to
understand
details
about
our
plans
for
construction,
because
her
business
is
based
on
stillness.
The
document
that
I
sent
and
I
forwarded
to
lisa,
listed
lots
of
information
about
what
we're
planning
to
do
in
terms
of
noise,
dust
and
mitigation,
vibration,
control
and
monitoring.
Things
like
that
and
pioneer
of
gimme
coffee
sent
a
quick
note
of
thanks
and
that
she
would
reach
out
to
her
team
for
feedback.
J
The
warner
household
didn't
respond,
fred,
petrilli
who's,
the
one
homeowner
on
the
block
said
he
has
comments,
but
hasn't
had
the
time
to
type
them
up.
Yet
so
I'm
just
reading
this
for
him,
then
I
got
a
fairly
disheartening
letter
from
josh
adams,
claiming
that
we
didn't
open
opportunities
for
communication,
even
though
emailed
twice
with
my
email
address
and
phone
number
on
that
letter
yesterday,
I
called
him
and
left
a
message
with
his
assistant
welcoming
him
to
call
me
back
also
sent
him
a
polite
email.
J
Following
up
with
a
little
bit
more
detail,
I
mean
I
understand
his
position
as
a
landlord
who's,
seeing
this
other
like
developer,
build
a
building
next
door
to
his.
But
I
I
was
disheartened
to
see
how
inflammatory
his
letter
was
when
our
communication
channels
were
plenty
open.
N
Community
and
to
that
note
everyone
like
that
you
know
so
this.
We
want
to
really
make
sure
too,
that
the
board
is
comfortable
with
that
level
of
effort
that
bism
is
taking
to
reach
out
to
neighbors
and
try
to
make
everybody
aware
and
understand
and
comfortable.
I
mean
sometimes,
obviously
not
you
can
never,
please
everyone,
and
that's
maybe
the
case
in
one
of
these
instances,
but
I
it
does.
N
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
the
board
feels
the
same
way
that
the
reach
out
the
outreach
and
maybe
mitigation
on
this
level
coming
from
the
the
developer
side
of
it
is
being
is
sufficient
and.
J
Let
me
add
to
that
respectfully
yeah,
if
I
had
two
todd
negotiated
potential
purchase
prices
with
both
fred
and
josh,
but
both
fred
and
josh
offered
prices
that
would
be
beyond
market
value
and
given
what
the
zoning
allows
us
to
do,
and
those
parcels
wouldn't
make
sense
for
us
to
buy
it.
So.
B
I
think
that
that
you
know
certainly
addresses
that
part
of
the
issue.
You
know,
I
don't
know
what
the
board
is
going
to
say
sort
of
as
a
unit
in
response
to
that.
But
you
know
I
mean
I'll
say
that
I
have
a
level
of
comfort
with
the
level
of
outreach,
and
you
know
we're
gonna
have
to
see
what
the
larger
board
thinks
and
it's
a
bigger
issue
than
seeker.
It's
something.
B
Throughout
the
process,
you
know,
as
we
get
into
site
plan
approval
focusing
on
seeker.
You've
walked
through
the
part
three.
You
know,
hopefully
things
when
we
look
at
the
next
draft,
which
you
know
nobody
in
this
room
on
the
planning
side
of
it
has,
you
know,
read
through
yet
that
you
know
it.
It
makes
sense
and
we're
able
to
to
to
you
know,
execute
on
that
I'll
say
that
you
know
right
now.
B
It
sounds
like
you
have
a
response,
and
you
know
we'll
just
have
to
work
through
it
in
the
meeting
and
and
hopefully
it's
enough
that
we
can.
We
can
take
that
vote
anything
that
we
have
to
talk
about
today.
Lisa,
should
we
wrap
this
up.
A
A
As
possible
so-
and
I
do
agree
with
you-
rob
that
you
know
technically
seeker,
doesn't
you
know
unless
it's
a
pause
deck?
An
environmental
impact
statement
doesn't
include
public
comment,
but
you
know
when
the
when
the
immediate
neighbors
are
saying,
there's
going
to
be
an
impact.
I
think
you
have
to
look
at
that.
So
there's
a
you
know
so,
just
in
in
that
sense
it
can
continue
to
go
into
site
plan
review
too,
but
reasonable.
N
A
All
right,
the
people
from
401
east
state
street
are
also
in
the
waiting
room.
I
want
to
just
give
you
a
quick
update
on
that
that
they
also
did
not
get
their
variants,
so
I
had
them
on
for
preliminary
approval,
but
really
what
we're
going
to
talk
about?
Probably
are
the
conditions.
It's
a
good
time
to
look
at
the
conditions
of
the
site
plan
approval,
so
they'll
be
going
back
to
the
bza
and
they'll.
Give.
D
O
B
O
B
M
If
your
gang's
all
here,
take
it
away
our
gang's
all
here,
so
we
appreciate
you
hearing
from
us,
so
give
brief
update.
You
may
know
we
were
at
the
board
of
zoning
appeals
they
adjourned
our
hearing
to
the
july
6
meeting.
There
was
several
questions
comments
that
came
up
on
some
of
the
architectural
elements,
and
so
I
think
jeff
and
donnie
wanted
to
go
through
some
of
that
today
and
we'll
pick
up
on
some
of
the
other
other
items.
M
So
as
we
try
to
head
towards
final
plan
site
plan,
approval
we're
addressing
all
the
needs
that
you
have
so
I'll,
kick
it
over
to
donnie,
kim
and
jeff,
and
they
can
go
through
what
they
have
been
working
on.
Based
on
some
of
the
sort
of
zoning
appeal
comments
and
just
wanting
to
get
some
of
your
thoughts
and
feedback
on
those
as
well.
So
just
take
it
away.
O
Yeah
well,
thank
you
guys.
What
we'll
cover
is
is
that
item
and
some
things
that
we're
looking
at
in
stepping
back
the
seventh
floor
of
the
building
along
the
creek
side
I'll
show
you
a
recent
update
of
that
still
evolving.
O
O
So
a
comment
that
was
made
by
the
bza
was
the
kind
of
the
view
from
the
creek
walk
back
towards
the
building
where
we
have
the
southernmost
sections
of
the
building.
You
know
the
building
undulates
and
we
have
courtyards,
and
you
know,
portions
of
the
building
are
quite
a
ways
back
from
the
creek
walk,
but
there
was
a
an
ask
to
evaluate
a
step
back
of
the
upper
level
such
that
from
you
know,
a
person's
vantage
point
walking
on
the
creek.
It
would
not
be
visible
at
all.
You
would
see
it
would
be.
O
You
know
the
first
levels
or
the
you
know,
the
underlying
levels.
You
wouldn't
see
the
top
level,
so
we've
studied
this
and
again
it's
still
evolving,
but
what
we
may
end
up
doing
is
stepping
building
back
the
depth
right
now.
What
this
represents
is
a
six
foot
step
back,
and
that
would
be
enough
that
the
average
person
on
the
creek
walk
would
not
be
able
to
see
the
top
level
of
the
building
in
walking
down
the
creek.
O
O
The
real
interesting
opportunity
is
that
we
would
then
have
the
ability
to
add
additional
landscaping
in
front
of
that
level
in
between
the
creek
walk
and
the
creek.
In
you
know
the
top
level.
We
still
want
to
maintain
views
from
those
units
and
their
windows,
but
we
could
certainly
enhance
the
you
know
the
building
facade
landscaping.
So
this
is
an
idea,
that's
evolving!
O
You
know
we'll
be
bringing
it
back
to
you
more
formally
for
the
22nd
meeting,
but
this
is
kind
of
the
initial
take
on
how
we
would
accommodate
that
request
and
and
try
to
you
know,
soften
the
transition
of
the
building.
As
you
approach
the
creek
walk
in
the
creek,
so
any
thoughts,
comments,
feedback.
B
O
Let's
go
then
to
the
next
topic:
donnie
and
let's
show
the
the
balcony
adjustments
that
we're
making
and
why
and
then
the
retaining
wall,
adjustments
or
material
adjustments,
and
why
the
the
top
view
is
the
current
thinking
on
the
balconies
on
the
on
the
south
side
of
the
building.
O
What
we
failed
to
really
think
through
in
the
lower
view,
is
that
those
balconies
that
are
wider
in
the
lower
view
actually
span
across
a
bedroom,
and
we
historically
have
not
done
that
for
privacy
reasons,
we
preferred
to
have
the
balconies
isolated
to
the
living
room
windows
and
in
in
face
of
the
building.
So
the
top
view
does
just
that
it.
It
takes
those
balconies
such
that
they're
facing
and
fronting
a
living
room
area
and
not
spanning
across
a
bedroom
area.
So
it's
a
it's
a
slight
difference.
O
We
wanted
to
you,
know
air
it
with
you
in
full
disclosure
of
what
we're
thinking
and
why
we
would
want
to
do
it
and
then
the
next
item-
that's
also
represented
on
this
page
donnie,
maybe
hover
over
the
the
bubble
there,
the
the
retaining
wall
kind
of
material
option
we've
revisited
in
some.
You
know
in
respect
to
some
of
your
comments
and
to
making
this
retaining
wall
less
of
a
well
an
eyesore
or
less
of
a
you
know,
a
structure
and
and
more
of
a
natural
kind
of
experience.
O
So
what
we're
suggesting
here
is
to
actually
have
this
wall,
be
wood,
lagging
that's
exposed
and
the
benefit,
in
our
opinion
is
a.
It
does,
provide
a
more
natural
kind
of
representation
and
fit
within
the
surroundings.
The
other,
the
the
request
from
the
last
planning
board
meeting
to
add
plantings
along
this
wall.
O
You
know
this
allows
us
to
do
that
to
a
greater
degree
in
both
allowing
things
to
grow
up
the
wall
and
maybe
to
hang
planting
boxes
off
the
wall,
and
so
this
is
what
it's
again
a
different
depiction
of
what
the
retaining
wall
surface
was
in
the
lower
view,
so
in
full
disclosure
we're
just
showing
it
to
you
because
it's
you
know
what
we'd
like
to
do
and
we
think
it's
in
response
to
some
of
you
know
your
earlier
comments.
P
Or
sorry
before
you
leave
there
I'll,
add
two
in
terms
of
the
landscape
updates
that
we'll
bring
forward
to
the
next
meeting.
The
idea
is
to
have
ground
level
plantings.
P
You
know,
there's
the
sky,
pencil
holly
that
can
grow
upwards
from
the
base
of
this
wall
and
provide
some
verticality
to
the
order
of
six
to
eight
feet,
interspersed
with
something
that
can
grow
up
the
wall
like
a
climbing
vine
and
then
actually
at
the
top
of
the
wall,
have
a
similar
planting
that
can
actually
drape
over
the
wall
and
attach
itself
so
again,
some
type
of
vine
that
can
come
from
the
top
down
and
also
plantings
from
the
bottom
up
to
provide.
P
You
know
a
little
bit
of
relief
from
what
is
the
the
face
of
the
timber,
the
timber
wall
itself
as
well
on
the
landscaping
side
in
the
other
corner
too.
That's
not
shown
in
this
mitch
had
also
made
comment
of
that
sort
of
terrorist
landscape
wall
and
we've
reduced
the
volume
of
that
terrorist
area.
P
P
O
The
original
brick
size
in
the
sample
boards
that
we
presented
and
that
we
sent
physical
copies
of
to
your
to
city
hall,
is
on
the
left.
It's
a
modular
size,
brick
and
we
as
we've
evaluated
both
schedule.
You
know
maybe
the
brick
strength
and
you
know
just
appropriateness.
We
we're
suggesting
a
change
in
the
brick
size.
O
It's
not
a
change
in
the
brick,
it's
simply
increasing
the
size
of
the
brick
to
a
utility
size,
brick
and
that's
on
the
right
in
the
benefits
a
we
think
it
provides
a
greater
brick
surface
area
with
less
mortar
joints
b.
You
could
argue
it
may
be
even
a
stronger
facade
than
what
what
it
would
be
with
the
modular
brick
and
in
for
just
speed
in
trying
to
get.
You
know
our
schedule
to
work.
You
know
it
helps
us
to
kind
of
navigate.
O
What's
now
going
to
be
an
august
start
to
our
construction
schedule,
ideally
soon
when
we
get
through
all
of
this,
and
it
just
reduces
the
you
know
the
duration
of
the
the
masonry
effort.
So
we
don't
think
it's
a
departure
in
any
way
from
the
design
aesthetic.
But
you
know
again
it's
a
change
and
we
just
wanted
to
disclose
that
to
you
and
get
your
reaction
to
it.
O
Thank
you
and
then
one
final
rob.
If
you
don't
mind.
One
final
item
is
you
know
for
the
next
planning
board
meeting
and
realize
we
won't
get
the
final
approval
until
july?
Maybe
a
list
of
what
else
you
guys
would
need
from
us.
We
are
working
on
some
building,
signage
exhibits,
exterior
signage,
but
I'd
like
to
know
what
else
is
out
there.
B
That
makes
a
lot
of
sense
and
we
can
work
on
that
at
the
next
meeting.
Definitely
I
want
to
walk
through
the
board
members
who
are
here
and
get
a
reaction
to
what
we've
seen
in
terms
of
updates
mitch.
Could
I
start
with
you.
G
Sure
yeah,
I'm
sorry
to
hear
about
the
situation
with
bza,
but
it
seems
like
you're
doing
your
best
and
being
responsive
to
that.
So
it's
appreciated.
The
setback
seems
like
a
pretty
clever
solution.
If
that
works.
For
you
I
mean
I
could.
I
can
understand
the
diagram,
the
visual
angles
of
that
and
how
that
wouldn't
be
seen.
I
like
the
landscape
addition
to
it.
That's
a
nice
touch,
so
I
mean
I
feel
comfortable
with
what
you
guys
are
up
to
there,
the
the
balconies
one.
G
I
I'm
interested
to
hear
what
emily
thinks
about
that,
but
it
feels
like
some
of
the
buildings
have
been
stripped
of
balconies
all
together,
like
some
of
the
interstitial
building
blocks
and
just
wondering
if
you
might
put
back
some
there
or
even
add
others
in
the
other
places,
because
it
does
kind
of
visually
look
like
a
decrease
in
sort
of
the
transparency
or
generosity
of
of
the
facade.
G
I
mean,
maybe
that's
a
subjective
analysis,
but
you
know
maybe
it
feels
like
less
people
are
out
there
or
less
activity
eyes
on
the
street
sort
of
thing.
So
I'll
put
that
out
there
the
wall
is
appreciated.
I
like
that,
a
lot-
that's
that's
a
great
move
there.
I,
like
the
texture
of
that
a
lot
and
your
description
of
the
planting
brian
sounds,
sounds
good
and
interested
to
see
the
rest
of
the
landscape
plan.
As
you
know,
and
then
the
brick
I
I'm
not
sure
about
that
one
either.
G
I
I
think,
maybe
interested
to
hear
what
emily
thinks
about
that
too,
as
an
architect,
but
you
know
to
me
when
I
think
of
brick
buildings,
it's
the
finer
sort
of
smaller
detailing
that
gives
it
interest
and
the
bigger
the
block,
the
sort
of
more
plain
or
generic
it
gets.
But
I
feel
like
it's
probably
not
a
big
difference
here
but
curious
to
know
what
other
people
on
the
board
will
say
about
that.
So,
thanks
for
the
updates.
F
Thank
you,
yeah,
the
brick
I'll
just
go
backwards.
I
think
for
mitch's
comments.
I
think
the
change
in
size
over
the
size
of
the
facades
is
not
going
to
be
noticeable.
If
you
were
jumping
to
something
triple
or
quadruple
the
size.
I
think
we'd
want
to
maybe
see
a
mock-up,
but
I
feel
like
it's
50
larger,
so
I
I
don't
think
there's
going
to
be
a
change
in
the
quality
from
the
outside,
so
I
feel
comfortable
with
it.
F
The
balconies.
I
agree
with
that.
What
mitch
said
that
you
know
I
understand
where
you're
going
with
it,
that
it
should
only
be
on
living
rooms,
but
some
of
the
the
recessed
facades
of
the
buildings
now
have
none,
and
I
do
feel
like
the
balconies
that
are
left
are
now
kind
of
islands
on
their
own
on
the
facades
and
the
verticality
just
feels
a
lot
more
massive.
So
so
that's
kind
of
I
don't
like
the
large
building
to
the
west
side.
F
I
mean,
I
guess
they
only
had
two
before
but
now,
there's
two
tiny
little
ones
and
then
like
right
in
the
middle.
You
know
the
one
with
the
white
panel
and
the
very
center
has
none
up
above
similar
to
the
one
further
to
the
east.
The
recessed
white
one
has
none
above,
so
I
don't
know
if
you
can
reconsider
some
balconies
on
some
bedrooms.
I
just
feel
like
that
was
a
loss
to
to
lose
so
many.
It
looks
like
you
have
a
lot
more
trees
in
the
new
rendering,
though
like
double,
which
is
great.
B
All
right,
thank
you,
emily,
so
you've
gotten
some
good
feedback,
we'll
definitely
be
looking
at
this.
In
the
in
the
full
board
meeting
and
and
you'll
hear
from
more
board
members,
I
will
say
I
am
fine.
With
the
changes
presented,
I
get
the
logic
for
the
balconies
not
wanting
to
run
from
living
room
to
wind,
to
bedroom,
to
the
extent
that
you
can
find
more
opportunities
to
make
up
for
the
loss,
perhaps
on
other
living
rooms.
B
Perhaps
I
mean
you
know
I
don't
know,
but
you
know
it
does
seem
like
that.
There's
maybe
an
impact
there
that
to
the
design
that
ought
to
be.
B
That
ought
to
be
changed
and
then
we'll
talk
through
what
we
need
to
move
you
into
approvals.
We
can
do
that
at
the
full
meeting.
I'll
say
that
we
were
looking
at
consideration
of
preliminary
approval.
You
know
at
this
upcoming
meeting.
We
just
can't
you
know
really
do
that
in
a
productive
way,
absent
the
variance.
B
So
I
think
we're
all
close.
You
know,
I
think
the
general
consensus
is
that
we're
close,
but
we
can
really
drill
into
that
at
the
full
meeting.
Lisa.
Is
there
anything
we
need
to
be
talking
about
today.
A
I
think
we're
good
for
today
and
I
just
wanted
to
say
there
is
a
draft
list
of
conditions
which
is
basically
what
is
left
as
far
as
I'm
concerned
and
from
you
know
the
forward
and
we
can
add
to
it
at
the
meeting
and
then
you
should
have
a
good
idea,
jeff
of
what
what
anything
that's
outstanding.
O
Okay,
great
well,
thank
you
guys
for
your
feedback,
we'll
study
the
balcony
ideas
again
and
be
better
prepared
for
the
22nd.
A
So
I
just
want
to
give
a
quick
explanation
of
this.
This
project,
you
did
the
subdivision
approval
for
this
project
a
couple
months
ago.
What
did
I
say
november.
A
And
it
specifically
left
out,
it
was
just
for
phase
one
of
the
project
and
it
specifically
left
out
all
the
land
that
was
subject
to
land
transfer,
they're,
taking
a
piece
of
city-owned
property
that
is
want
to
swap
a
piece
of
undevelopable
land
owned
by
the
applicant
up
north
in
the
up
west
in
the
property
to
incorporate
into
the
gardens,
because
that
doesn't
have
to
be
developable,
and
that
was
that
was
specifically
left
out
of
the
subdivision,
because
they
were
just
looking
at
phase
one
well
now
the
land
transfer
is
ready
to
go
and
they
need
the
subdivision
to
do
the
land
transfer
so,
instead
of
making
them
redo
the
whole
process
we're
presenting
at
this
as
a
revision
to
the
original
subdivision.
Q
Matt
nukem
here
with
pastor,
associates
lisa.
You
gave
a
great
brief
description.
It's
a
very
simple
thing.
We
initially
were
intending
on
trying
to
move
forward
with
the
project
at
least
phase
one
of
the
project
and
then
come
to
find
out.
The
land
transfer
had
to
happen
in
order
to
start
construction.
Q
D
Q
So
that's
really
all
it
is,
and
very
simple
and
straightforward
and
kayla
just
shared
her
screen
to
show
the
subdivision
map
that
most
current
one
that
we're
looking
for.
Q
Q
That
works
okay,
so
so
currently
the
gardens
are
on
the
north
side
of
the
roadway
there
that
you
see-
and
you
see,
green
on
either
side,
so
we're
expanding
that
area
where
the
gardens
currently
are
as
well
as
south
of
there,
where
kayla's
circular
circular
mouth
are
also
gardens,
so
we're
giving
the
areas
green
to
expand
their
garden
areas
and
taking
the
area
that's
in
red.
B
Got
it
that
seems
sensible
enough
any
questions
from
mitch
or
emily.
B
I've
seen
nodding
from
emily
as
well
yeah.
This
seems
to
me,
you
know
fine
and
you'll
have
to
explain
it
again
in
the
board
meeting,
because
I'm
not
sure
I'll,
remember
and
there'll
be
people
who
haven't
seen
it
but
yeah.
This
does
not
seem
to
me
like
it
should
be
any
problem
in
the
meeting.
Lisa.
Is
there
something
we
should
be
addressing
here
on
this
today,
just
to
make
sure
we
get
it
discussed.
A
A
So
we
talked
about
all
the
actions
for
next
month
for
this
month.
I
don't
think
any
of
it
changed
during
well.
What
changed
during
the
during
this
meeting
was
that
we
would
take
out
preliminary
approval
for
401
and
just
go
over
the
conditions
and
the
design
changes
and.
A
Also
for
the
405,
mr
road,
we'll
take
out
consideration
of
preliminary
final
approval
and
we'll
just
talk
about
options
for
design
and
landscape,
yeah
so
and
so,
and
new
business
for
the
planning
board.
We
will.
The
I
think
I
met
well
brian
came
and
talked
to
you
about
this.
They
are.
The
ilpc
is
voting
on
the
expansion
of
east
hill
historic
district
a
week
before
the
planning
board
meeting,
and
it's
the
planning
board's
responsibility
to
provide
a
report
to
common
council
about
any
conflicts
with
development
plans
in
that
area.
A
D
B
Also
like
I
am
planning
to
be
there
at
this
meeting,
but
it
is
three
days
before
due
date,
so
yeah
it
could
be
gone.
D
A
I
also
wanted
nikki
we've
been
going
through
as
she's
like
learning
planning
board
and
finding
you
know,
there's
a
lot
of
things
that
could
be
improved
in
terms
of
the
outcome
of
projects
and
how
we
guide
developers
and
we're
kind
of
running
a
list
of
that,
and
she
started
to
work
on
some
of
them
and
we
kind
of
want
to
share
that
with
you
and
see.
If
you
also
have
some
ideas
under
new
business
too,.