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D
B
Carl,
I
just
emailed
you
the
link.
It
should
be
in
your.
E
D
So
I'm
gonna
go
ahead
and
sign
off.
B
Phone,
oh
boy:
oh
okay,
don't
see
him.
C
B
A
D
A
Okay,
good,
yes
I'll
call
the
meeting
to
order
and
again
I
apologize,
as
you
heard,
that
the
link
just
wasn't
working
so
I
couldn't
couldn't
get
into
the
meeting
all
right.
A
A
All
right,
so
we
have
the
minutes
and
you
may
have
seen
in
a
separate
email
that
anissa
sent
out
a
change
to
the
minutes.
Did
everyone
get
a
chance
to
review
those.
E
A
G
Yes,
I
I
did
have
one
question,
though
the
only
thing
I
was
still
missing
was
the
number
of
submitted
applications.
I
don't
think
that
was
in
the
updated
version.
B
Yes-
and
that
was-
I
should
know
that
off
the
top
of
my
head,
I
want
to
say
17,
but
that's
not
true.
We
funded
seven
and
I
believe
there
were
12,
I'm
I'm
looking
right
now,
I'm
sorry.
I
call
it.
B
G
Great,
in
that
case,
I'll
move
them.
Okay,.
B
I'll
second,
was
that
you
seconding
teresa,
yes,
okay,
thank
you.
H
A
Unanimous,
okay-
that
was
our
only
voting
item
and
we
do
have
a
guest
today,
liddy
barger
who's,
going
to
talk
to
us
about
some
of
the
work
she
and
others
in
the
community
have
been
doing
so
literally.
Thank
you
for
being
here
and
thank
you
for
your
patience.
We
appreciate
it
so
if
you'll
unmute
and
then
go
ahead
and
get
started.
C
H
Good,
so
for
those
of
you
who
don't
know
me,
my
name
is
lydie
barger.
I
work
at
human
services
coalition
in
the
role
of
coordinator
of
housing
initiatives.
H
I
sort
of
wear
two
hats
under
that
role.
One
is
as
our
continuum
of
care
coordinator,
which
is
a
large
collaborative
planning
body
that
works
to
prevent
and
end
homelessness
in
tompkins
county
and
then
the
other
sort
of
hat
I
wear
is
in
this
role
of
housing
tompkins,
which
is
kind
of
like
housing
for
everyone
else
and
talking
about
specifically
affordable
housing
issues,
but
really
sort
of
broadly
defined
as
housing
for
everyone.
H
I
think
what
I'm
here
to
talk
about
most
specifically
today
are
the
results
of
a
renter
check-in
survey
that
I
distributed
a
couple
weeks
ago.
So
is
that
accurate?
What
you
want
to
know
right?
Yes,.
E
H
It
became
clear
to
me,
through
many
planning
conversations
that
I'm
involved
in
that
there
was
this
sense
of
people
being
in
a
lot
of
distress
around
paying
the
rent
and
a
fear
of
eviction,
but
we
didn't
have
any
real
information
to
back
that
up.
We
we
couldn't,
we
didn't,
have
data
to
to
center
our
conversations
around
and
center
some
of
our
planning
initiatives
around
specifically
for
eviction
prevention.
H
So
I
put
together
a
very
brief
anonymous
survey.
It
was
distributed
and
available
several
ways,
including
the
human
services
list,
serve
a
whole
bunch
of
different,
like
groups
on
facebook,
mutual
aid,
some
of
the
moms
groups,
just
because
I'm
a
mom.
So
I
have
access
to
those
groups
and
then
the
ithaca
voice
picked
it
up
as
a
little
story
and
they
distributed
it.
H
That
way,
we
had
390
responses
to
the
survey
and
I'm
definitely
still
working
on
the
data,
but
I
did
was
able
to
break
out
some
of
the
city
of
ithaca
data
for
people,
and
that
is
what
I
will
share
with
you
today.
Stay
tuned
for,
like
a
really
nice
graphic
visualization
of
it.
That's
not
what
you're
getting
today,
though,
so
I'm
just
going
to
give
you
some
information,
so
let
me
get
where
I
need
to
be
so.
H
The
for
respondents
from
the
city
of
ithaca
204
of
the
respondents
were
from
the
city
of
ithaca.
The
rest
were
from
tompkins
were
renting
in
tompkins
county
66
of
those
respondents
report
that
they
earn
below
80
percent
ami
seven
percent.
It
was
all
self-report
and
anonymous.
I
think,
that's
important
to
know,
but
seven
percent
report
having
an
extreme
rent
burden
defined
as
61
to
100
of
their
gross
income,
paying
for
their
rent,
43
percent
have
a
rent
burden.
H
31
to
60
percent
of
their
income
is
going
to
their
rent,
60
percent
of
those
people
report
having
a
co-good-related
loss
of
income.
I
defined
that
a
little
bit
more
broadly
than
perhaps
some
other
places
would
so
I
define
that
as
like
a
furlough
complete
job
loss,
but
also
an
inability
to
find
new
work
or
gig
economy
work,
because
I
did
want
to
be
a
little
more
inclusive
in
that
category.
H
H
17
report
that
they
have
a
concern
that
they
are
facing,
that
they
will
be
facing
eviction
47
report
having
significant
trouble
paying
other
bills.
I
can
break
that
out
a
little
bit
another
time,
but
basically
mostly
utilities
and
car
related
bills
are
the
things
that
people
are
reporting
that
they
are
having
a
hard
time
paying.
H
I
was
also
looking
to
sort
of
determine
who
might
be
the
most
at
risk
for
experiencing
homelessness
as
a
result
of
an
eviction,
and
some
national
standards
to
do
so
is
to
sort
of
look
at
who
has
been
evicted,
who
has
experienced
an
eviction
before
and
who
has
an
experience
who
has
experienced
homelessness
in
the
past
so
of
our
city
respondents.
Nine
percent
have
experienced
an
eviction
and
17
report
having
a
history
of
experiencing
homelessness,
which
is
higher
than
I
would
have
expected.
H
Some
of
the
other
stuff
that
I
was
asking
about
was,
if
landlords
had
reached
out
and
communicated
during
this
time
in,
for
any
reason
about
rent
payment
40
of
people
report
that
their
landlord
has
communicated
with
them
about
rent
a
lot
of
those
came
with
a
note
that
was
like
my
landlord
called
to
make
sure
I
was
still
going
to
pay
the
rent,
not
like
my
landlord
was
looking
to
make
a
deal
with
me
and
18
of
the
city.
Respondents
report
feeling
uncomfortable
because
of
communication
with
their
landlord.
H
So
I
had
heard
through
some
other
meetings.
I'd
been
in
that
there's
a
sense
that
people
are
feeling
harassed
by
their
landlord.
So
I
did
ask
a
question
to
try
to
ascertain
like
how
many
people
were
feeling
that
I
have
a
lot
of
comments
if
people
are
interested
to
know
some
of
the
specific
comments
that
people
were
making,
because
I
gave
people
a
chance
to
comment,
but
that's
sort
of
like
the
quick
and
dirty
overview
of
city
of
ithaca,
204
respondents,
mostly
below
80
ami
and
I'd,
be
happy
to
answer
questions.
F
You
were
just
offering
to
tell
us
some
of
the
specific
comments.
I
would
be
really
interested
to
hear
sure
so.
H
Excuse
me
so
real,
so
the
question
said
anything
else
you
want
us
to
know.
Basically,
so
I
got
a
range
of
comments.
Let
me
see
so
my
favorite
comment
for
some
reason
is
my
rent
is
affordable,
but
my
apartment
is
a
dump
the.
I
I
hear
that
I
got
this
one.
My
landlord
is
a
slumlord.
I
have
to
split
the
water
bill
with
two
other
tenants
in
my
building.
There
are
two
restaurants
in
the
building
and
I'm
paying
their
water.
My
heat
hasn't
worked
for
the
last
two
heating
seasons.
H
One
person
said
there
needs
to
be
a
way
that
people
can
break
the
lease
because
of
the
pandemic.
It's
I
can't
remain
in
my
lease,
but
I
also
can't
leave
high
rent
and
discrimination.
Keep
us
from
being
able
to
move
ever
then
there's
some
people
who
are
like
well
landlords
have
bills
to
pay
to
they're
my
priority.
Everything
else
will
work
out.
H
Weird
sentiment:
kind
of
unemployment
covered,
my
expenses.
H
H
G
H
Them
all
everybody
wanted
to
comment,
and
I
can
send
when
I
send
everything
out
when
it's
all
done,
and
you
know
I'm
going
to
compare
tompkins
county
to
the
city
and
do
some
other
sort
of
drilling
down
into
data.
I
will
I'll
also
be
sure
to
send
a
copy
of
the
survey
that
people
filled
out.
H
It
was
open
for
two
weeks.
I
don't
know
if
that
matters
so
and
it
asks
specifically
about
march
through
july
rents,
but
now
we're
in
august,
so
people
might
be
in
a
different
situation.
In
fact,
I
think
they
probably
are
because
the
fed
the
pandemic
unemployment
insurance
has
ended,
and
I
think
now
is
really
when
people
are
starting
to
feel
that
financial
pressure.
H
It
was
just
it
was
all
online,
although
I
did
send
it
to
some
front
line
workers
and
offered-
or
you
know
said:
please
have
them
feel
split
out
in
person
with
people.
If
you
have
an
opportunity
to
do
so
so
yeah
so
lister
anna
kellis
included
it
in
one
of
her
actually
two
of
her
emails
that
she
sends
out
daily.
The
bulk
of
the
respondents
came
from
the
ithaca
voice
story,
so
when
the
ithaca
voice
picked
it
up
as
a
story,
I
it
like
tripled
in
the
number
of
people
who
responded.
E
H
Yes,
so
one
of
the
questions
is,
are
you
concerned
about
being
evicted
and
there
were
a
lot
of
answers
that
said
not
yet,
but
when
this
pui
ends,
I
am
so.
I
think
if
I
did
this
survey
again,
I
would
get
a
different
set
of
responses
around
that,
certainly
and.
H
H
Wrong,
you
know
we'll
see,
we'll
see
how
people
do.
Another
question
that
I
asked
is:
have
you
applied
for
assistance
locally
and
were
you
able
to
access
it
and
that
question
got
a
lot
of
interesting
responses,
but
I
haven't
broken
it
all
out
yet.
So
there
was
a
lot
of
people
who
said
yep
I
applied
locally
nope,
I
didn't
get
it
or
yes,
I
got
assistance,
but
it
wasn't
enough
or
it
didn't
meet.
My
need.
I
I
I
wonder
if
you've
been
in
touch
with
or
oh
what's
his
name,
what
county
planning
their
housing
guy
david,
david
west
yeah
you've
been
talking.
E
A
I
have
a
question
for
maybe
either
anissa
or
liddy.
What
is
the
city
agency
or
authority
that
handles
rental
issues?
So
you
know
the
question
about.
You
know
someone
in
a
with
commercial
properties
on
the
bottom
floor
and
you
know
their
tenants
are
actually
subsidizing
the
water,
you
know,
that's
seems
like
that's
an
enforceable
issue.
A
B
That's
a
good
question.
I
mean
I
don't
know
whether
that
would
fall
under
building
a
code
inspection.
It
does
seem
like
a
you
know.
A
water
metering
issue
would
be
there,
but
this
you're
highlighting
a
problem,
which
is
that
there
is
not
a
clear
authority
for
issues
of
this
matter.
I
can
just
get
that's
a
great
question
carl,
and
I
can
discuss
that
more
with
nells,
but
I
think
what
I
mean
in
a
similar
way
that
fair
housing
issues.
B
You
know
people
have
trouble
finding
a
local
enforcement
authority.
You
know
there's.
I
think
their
recourse
would
be
to
somehow
bring
a
suit
against
the
against
the
landlord
and
that's
very
hard
to
do
unless
you
can
afford
a
lawyer.
I
B
And
on
that
note,
an
update
which
is
very
disappointing
law
new
york's
one
of
la
new
york's,
more
experienced
attorneys
is
going
to
be
leaving
in
september
and
a
paralegal
who's
been
working
to
prevent.
Repeated
homelessness
has
also
recently
left
the
agency,
so
they
have
two
vacancies
at
this
time.
B
Right
on
the
precipice
of
you
know
a
huge
way
potentially
coming.
Through
I
mean
we
could
see
the
eviction
moratoria.
B
I
mean,
I
don't
know
how
lydia
feels
about
this.
I'd
be
interested
in
your
your
thoughts,
lady,
but
you
know
the
governor
just
extended
the
moratorium
as
moratorium
statewide,
as
woody
just
mentioned.
So
I'm
wondering
if
we
might
see
a
month
by
month
extension.
It
doesn't
include
everybody.
It
really
only
includes
people
who
have
a
coveted
covet
affected
who's
who's
who
might
be
in
danger
of
eviction
because
of
a
covet
related
reason,
but
other
evictions
that
were
started
previously
or
not
in
that
extension
is
my
understanding.
B
Is
that
your
understanding,
lady
yeah
yeah,
so
you
know
again
we're
getting
closer
and
closer
to
winter,
and
I
I
think
it's
fair
to
say
that
really
everybody
in
the
human
services
community
is
grappling
with
the
question
of
how
many
people
are
going
to
be
needing
our
assistance
and
what
is
it
going
to
look
like
in
housing
court
when
evictions
can
start
going
through,
and
that's
part
of
the
reason
that
that
lady's
survey
has
been
so
important
in
just
getting
some
idea
of
what
people
are
experiencing
hearing
from
people?
B
You
know
it's,
you
know
a
lot
of
times.
People
want
like
hard
data
like
well
what
it,
how
much
exactly
are
people
you
know
missing
in
the
rent
or
whatever,
but
at
least
this
gives
us
some
figures
and
percentages
to
work
with
around
what
the
what
the
need
looks
like
right
now-
and
you
know
what
we
are
hearing
similar
to
what
lydia's
already
said
is
people
have
been
able
to?
B
It
sounds
like
be
getting
by
with
the
enhanced
unemployment,
but
these
are
people
who
who
qualified
for
that
unemployment
so
and
a
lot
of
other
people,
you
know,
are
very
worried.
So
and
I
can
either
give
an
update
on
the
city's
emergency
rental
assistance
program
through
inhs
now
or
later
I
have.
I
have
some
updated
figures
from
delia,
but
so
whenever
people
are
ready
for
that.
A
Yeah
I
I
want
to
be
conscious
of
liddy's
time,
so
you
know
she
has
other
obligations.
We
certainly
don't
want
to
hold
her,
but
I
do
have
another
question,
so
we
know
that
nationally
evictions
impact
single
mothers,
primarily
single
mothers
of
color
in
a
much
higher
percentage.
So-
and
I
don't
know
if
your
survey
was
designed
to
try
to
get
at
that-
do
you
have
any
kind
of
data
that
might
shed
a
light
on
that.
H
Not
from
this
survey,
I
I
because
I
really
wanted
it
to
be
anonymous
for
reasons
like
that,
I
didn't
feel
I
had
capacity
to
help.
390
people
navigate
the
system.
I
actually
did.
I
didn't
have
any
demographic
data,
but
we
do
know
that
that's
true
in
our
community
as
well.
I
know
carl
fearer.
H
H
Highest
percentage
of
people
receiving
section
eight,
although
people
who
are
have
section
eight
right
now,
are
actually
in
a
much
more
stable
position
than
people
who
don't
because,
even
if
they
lose
their
income,
it's
very
easy
to
adjust
their
rent
to
what
to
30
is
nothing
so
nothing
if
they
go
all
the
way
down
to
zero.
E
B
I
also
was
just
reading
yesterday
and
I'll
try
to
find
the
source.
I
think
it
was
in
the
new
york
times
that,
among
unemployment
claims,
23
of
unemployment
claims
are
filed
by
single
single-headed
households,
single
parents.
F
Can
I
ask
a
question
about
the
section
8
my
understanding
and
I
might
be
wrong:
there's
a
number
of
vouchers
and
there's
a
pool
of
money
and
both
of
those
are
limited.
So
if
a
lot
of
people
who
have
the
vouchers
lose
their
income,
their
section
8
would
increase.
F
H
No,
so
I
actually
asked
a
sort
of
similar
question
of
our
section:
eight
providers,
so
at
the
beginning
of
all
of
this,
nobody
would
lose
their
vouchers.
H
The
agencies
have
reserves
to
cover
everybody
who
is
currently
vouchered,
but
what
would
and
could
happen
is
that
there
would
be
no
new
vouchers
being
issued
for
a
period
of
time,
yeah.
So
there's
about
2100,
voucher
recipients
in
in
tompkins
county
between
both
agencies
and
each
of
them
have
a
wait
list
of
about
a
thousand
people
as
well.
H
So
you
know
people
wait
a
long
time
on
that
list,
so
if
they
do
end
up
having
to
use
those
reserves,
that
list
gets
the
wait.
Time
would
be
longer,
but
nobody
would
lose
their
voucher
if
you
go
through
an
eviction
and
you're
in
the
wrong.
You
know
if
you're
filed
against
you
will
lose
your
voucher,
though
so,
if
you
were
evicted
for
a
lease
violation,
you
know
in
this
context
you
would
lose
your
voucher
and
be
in
a
bad
situation.
B
And
the
the
local
investi
or
local
research
that
lydia
referes
reference
done
by
carl
foyer
carl
found
that,
while
virtually
all
landlords
were
represented
in
eviction
proceedings
locally
at
city
court,
I
think
three
percent
of
tenants
were
represented.
A
The
the
ethica.
A
H
H
A
So
perhaps
a
better
question
I
should
have
asked
was:
how
open
are
they
the
the
union
to
working
through
the
existing
systems?
No
okay,.
F
H
There's
a
lot
going
on
they're,
doing
they're,
saying
when,
when
some
of
this
comes
down-
and
we
return
to
a
more
normal
rental
market,
I'm
hoping
that
they
will
function
a
little
bit
more
like
a
traditional
tenants
union
which
does
work
alongside
systems.
But
right
now
they
choose
to
work
outside
the
system
because
they
have
strong
convictions
about
what
they
want.
B
I'm
sorry,
I
will
say
that
nels
also
thought
that
the
committee
might
want
to
hear
a
little
bit
about
the
emergency,
shelter
grant,
coveted
funding
that
the
county
has
received
and,
ladies
involved
in
that
process,.
H
Sure
so,
emergency
solutions
grant
comes
through
hud.
Typically,
it
goes
to
entitlement
areas
which
we
are
not
one
of.
As
part
of
the
cares
act.
The
state
of
new
york
was
granted
a
large
sum
of
money
to
distribute
to
non-entitlement
areas
like
us.
It
it
so
excuse
me.
There
will
be
two
allocations.
We've
already
received
our
number
for
the
first
allocation.
It's
just
about
434
thousand
dollars.
H
It
can
be
used
for
four
categories:
emergency,
shelter,
stuff
street
outreach
prevention
and
rapid
rehousing
in
our
community.
We've
prioritized
rapid
re-housing.
We
want
to
get
people
who
are
currently
unhoused
into
housing,
using
rapid
rehousing
vouchers,
and
within
that
we
prioritize
the
category
of
people
who
are
experiencing
re-entry
from
prisons
and
jail
as
our
sort
of
highest
priority
populations
is
served
with
the
rapid
rehousing.
The
bulk
of
that
money
is
just
about.
250
000
will
be
going
directly
to
vouchers
for
rapid
rehousing.
We've
also
funded
a
prevention
component.
H
Prevention
is
what
we
call
a
shallow
subsidy,
so
between
one
and
six
months
worth
of
assistance
designed
to
keep
people
in
housing
that
they
already
have
or
quickly
restart
them
in
new
housing.
So
it
could
look
like
a
few
months
of
rental
assistance
where
you
are,
or
it
could
look
like
first
month,
deposit
and
maybe
a
cup,
maybe
first
two
months
in
deposit.
We
are
also
funding
law,
new
york
for
some
additional
eviction,
prevention,
hours,
law,
legal
lawyer
hours
and
then
there's
some
case
management
pieces
that.
G
H
Being
funded
with
that
and
some
physical
supplies
for
street
outreach,
so
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we
can
maintain
the
sanitation
that
we
put
in
place
for
the
people
in
southwest
park,
port-a-potties
hand-washing
stations,
and
then
I
think,
there's
some
talk
about.
You
know.
As
we
know,
winter
is
coming
all
of
the
places
where
people
could
normally
get
warm
are
closed.
H
So
we're
going
to
talk
about
some
kind
of
warming
stations
with
some
of
that
street
outreach
money,
and
so
that's
our
first
allocation.
We
anticipate
our
second
allocation
will
come
in
the
win
like
january-ish
and
should
be
a
similar
amount.
The
total
is
going
to
be
close
to
1
million
dollars
coming
to
our
community
through
esg,
to
support
people
experiencing
homelessness
or
at
imminent
risk
of
homelessness,
which
is
defined
by
hud,
with
as
14
days
away
from
homelessness.
B
We're
excited
lydia
is
my
understanding
correct
that
esg
has
a
requirement
that,
like
virtually
it
really
has
to
be
the
funding
of
last
resort,
like
every
other
kind
of
source
has
to
have
been
attempted
first.
Is
that
correct.
H
Yes,
which
is
tricky
because
so
o2.dss,
our
local
dss,
is
going
to
be
the
lead
of
this
grant
and
their
money.
Their
money
is
also
considered
last
resort,
so
there
will
be
some
it.
It
might
get
a
little
complicated
in
terms
of
deciding
who
who
especially
for
the
prevention
right.
So
the
prevention
folks
will
have
to
show
that
they
weren't
eligible
or
able
to
access
anything
else
before
they
can
become
eligible
for
the
for
the
for
these
dollars
and
there's
this
full-time.
D
F
H
So
right
now,
prior
to
the
esg
money,
people
would
probably
either
show
up
at
dss
or
tompkins
community
action
who
currently
runs
the
step
prevention
program,
which
is
a
similar
program
and
be
go
through
eligibility.
Screening
paperwork
is
a
huge
issue
in
our
community.
It's
a
daunting
barrier
for
many
folks
and
the
truth
is
no.
But
if
you
get
a
good
case,
worker
they'll
help
you
with
your
paperwork
and
if
you
don't,
they
won't
and
there
isn't
any
oversight
around
paperwork
for
people
who
are
experiencing
homelessness.
We
use
what's
called
coordinated
entry.
H
That
spits
out
a
vulnerability,
score
and
coc
me.
I
am
sort
of
the
keeper
of
that
list
and
then,
when
there's
an
opening
in
one
of
the
permanent
supportive
housing
programs,
we
send
them
the
next
the
highest
vulnerability
that
meets
their
eligibility.
So
it
makes
it
so.
People
are
prioritized
on
acuity
instead
of
chronological
lists,
and
that
is
also
sort
of
like
a
centralized
way
to
do
it.
I
made
a
strong
argument
for
our
community
to
consider
doing
some
coordination
around
prevention
resources
and
we
weren't
there.
H
Yet,
when,
when
I
was
making
that
strong
argument,
I
might
make
it
again
because
I
do
want
to
make
sure
that
people
are
have
access
to
anything
that
they're
eligible
for
and
are
aren't
just
settling
for
the
program
that
they
know
about.
If
that
isn't
the
program
that
they
need
so
like,
if
you
know
that
catholic
charities
can
pay
one
month
of
your
rent
and
you
go
there
and
you
do
that.
H
But
really
you
need
this
three
to
five
months
worth
of
rent
you've
now
missed
out
on
that,
because
you
went
to
your
first
availability.
Does
that
all
make
sense?
What
I'm
saying.
H
Like
to
coordinate
some
of
those
pieces,
but
but
it's
not
up
to
me
yet.
H
We're
not
using
it
yet
it
should
be.
We
anticipate
that
it's
going
to
be
able
to
we're
planning
around
september
15th
to
start
actually
using
it,
so
we're
just
putting
all
the
systems
in
place
right
now,
thanks.
H
We're
we'll
do
a
push
to
make
sure
that
everybody
knows
right
now:
we've
just
exited
the
planning
stage,
so
hud
requires
a
specific
group
of
people
to
plan
around
these
dollars.
Most
people
are
css
continuum
of
care,
health
departments.
H
A
Okay,
you
know
I'm
again
lenny
if,
if,
if
you're
having
a
time
issue,
let
us
know
I
do
have
a
question
on
a
different
matter,
and
that
is
in
recent
weeks,
maybe
months
a
lot
of
folks
hanging
out
in
the
300
block
of
west
state.
A
H
So
this
is
a
conversation.
I've
been
having
a
lot
in
a
lot
of
different
groups.
I
think
there
are
a
variety
of
issues
converging.
At
the
same
time,
I
will
say
that
you
know
I
live
in
the
neighborhood
and
I
walk
through
that
area
a
lot
and
I'm
also
familiar
with
a
lot
of
people.
H
I
I
would
say
the
majority
of
those
folks
aren't
actually
experiencing
homelessness,
but
are
housed
in
maybe
substandard
housing
that
isn't
very
pleasant
to
spend
your
day
in
some
of
them
are
in
the
shelter
there's
a
few
unsheltered
folks
that
I
see
in
that
space,
I
would
say,
as
far
as
contributing
factors
you
know,
staff
is
a
safe
space
for
people
and
they
are
committed
to
remaining
a
safe
space
for
people,
but
staff
is
definitely
involved
in
the
conversations
about
this
population
being
growing
and
feeling
a
little
like
riskier.
C
H
All
of
the
places
where
people
would
normally
be
aren't
available
anymore
can't
go
to
the
library.
You
can't
go
to
the
friendship
center.
You
can't
go
to
centauritica,
you
can't
go
none
of
the
indoor
spaces
where
people
used
to
be
sort
of
scattered
about,
but
also
sort
of
just
hanging
out
are
clothes,
and
I
also
you
know,
there's
a
percentage
of
those
people
that
would
be
working
and
are
not
working.
H
H
I
have
some
concerns
about
trafficking.
I
have
some
concerns
about
overdoses.
I
have
some
concerns
about
safety
for
the
for
the
people
in
that
space,
not
necessarily
for
like
the
people
who
want
to
go
shop
on
the
commons.
I
don't
think
that
there's
going
to
be,
I'm
not
concerned
about
that.
I'm
concerned
about
the
safety
of
the
people
who
are
spending
time
in
that
space
staff
change
their
staffing
pattern
so
that
they
are
now
doing
their.
G
H
Exchange
work
outside
so
so
this
during
the
day
there's
at
least
one
and
usually
two
staffers
from
staff
in
that
area
behind
step,
but
they
no
longer
occupy
the
building
across
the
street.
So
the
building
across
the
street
is
actually
empty
and
not
a
stab
space
anymore
and
they
don't
have
any
real
purview
over
that
space,
and
that
is
definitely
where
I've
been
seeing
more
people.
E
H
H
It
is
not
completely
closed,
but
you
can't
hang
out.
You
can't
hang
out
so
you
can
go
in
they.
Let
I
think
at
this
time
it's
three
people
at
a
time
come
in,
but
you
can
only
do
your
business,
so
you
can
check
your
mail.
You
can
take
a
shower.
You
can
get
a
cup
of
coffee,
but
you
can't
spend
time
in
the
space
even
in
the
back
and
that
has
been
sort
of
like
the
living
room
for
the
homeless
for
a
long
time.
There's
no
there's
no
space
like
that.
F
H
H
Yep-
and
I
also
think
that
there's
some
I
mean
this
is
just
sort
of
like
conjecture,
I
guess,
but
you
know,
there's
a
lot
of
conversation
about
reducing
our
reliance
on
police,
which
is
something
that
I
personally
support,
but
it
has
in
the
past.
I
think
police
might
have
been
taking
a
more
proactive
stance
around
people
hanging
out
in
that
space
and
they
are
not
at
this
time
doing
that
which
is
okay,
but
I,
but
I
think
that
it
is
a
factor
in
why
the
crowd
is
like
really
growing.
H
H
H
E
F
H
Well,
here's
I
just
had
this
conversation
with
tammy
baker.
You
know
who's
our
outreach
worker
if
you
walk
it
through
the
scenario
like
okay,
so
you
call
the
police.
What's
the
outcome,
what
is
the
outcome
for
the
people?
Do
they
go
to
jail?
Probably
not
right,
they're,
not
actually
doing
anything.
Some
people.
E
F
H
H
Less
trying
to
say
who
can
and
can't
use
public
spaces
and
how
those
public
spaces
can
be
used,
but
that's
a
big
conversation
right
and
it's
hard
to
have
it's
hard
to
have
at
the
same
time
as
like,
seeing
people
hurting
and
maybe
being
in
some
distress
which
they
are
it's
kind
of
hard
to
have.
Those
conversations.
At
the
same
time,.
F
D
H
D
H
Of
this
stuff-
and
we
have
the
most
restrictive
emergency,
shelter
or
warming
station
or
whatever,
we
call
it
space
that
I've
been
able
to
find
other
communities.
You
know,
homeless,
shelters
are
essential
and
essential
workplace.
H
Some
areas
are
doing
things
like
opening
up
a
series
of
other
spaces
for
people
so
and
providing
information
about
what
those
spaces
are
and
how
many
people
can
be
in
them.
So
in
our
community
it
might
look
like
five
people
can
be
at
the
friendship
center.
Five
people
can
be
in
the
salvation
army
church
state
by
you
know
whatever
it
is,
the
library
could
open
a
space.
A
lot
of
people
have
opened
their
sheriff's
departments,
which
obviously
doesn't
make
sense
for
our
community,
because
it's
way
up
the
hill
other.
F
H
I
mean,
I
think,
realistically
talking
to
the
spaces
in
which
we're
hoping
to
use
for
those
places
so
like
community
centers
churches
and
making
a
compelling
argument
to
them.
People
can
do
what
they
want
right.
You
know
if,
if
community
centers
wanted
to
open
a
space
for
people
who
are
on
the
stably
house
or
vulnerable,
they
could
so
I
I
don't
know,
maybe
some
convincing
it
is
har.
What
people
will
say
is
we'll
open
a
space,
but
we
don't
want
alcohol.
We
don't
want
sex
trafficking,
we
don't
want
drug
use.
G
H
But
but
I'm
not
sure
how
to
answer
that
question
other
than
having
staff
in
a
space
makes
it
a
safer
space
for
everyone.
Hypocovic.
B
Liddy,
I'm
wondering
this
is
related,
not
the
same
idea
as
having
a
space
where
people
can
be
indoors
out
of
the
elements
or
series
of
spaces,
but
it
caused
me
to
think
what
have
you
heard
about
this
winter's
last
year,
churches,
st
john's
community,
center
organized
with
churches
to
be
sites
of
overnight
shelter?
B
H
Yes,
they
are,
and
that's
great,
but
it
still
doesn't
solve
the
day
time
exactly
yeah
yeah
yeah.
I
wish
I
like
I'm
just
saying
this
denise
about
something
else
like
100
times
a
day,
I
think
to
myself
man.
I
wish
I
was
smarter
because,
like
it's
so
easy
to
see,
sort
of
where
the
where
the
gaps
are
and
what
what's
happening,
but
it's
so
much
harder
to
like
get
all
the
pieces
together
in
a
way.
That's
like
satisfactory
for
all
parties-
and
I
I
don't
know-
and
winter
is
coming
so
these
conversations.
H
I
convene
what
we
call
an
enhanced
outreach
group
so
specifically
around
covid
stuff,
with
unsheltered
homelessness,
and
we
spent
our
entire
last
meeting
talking
about
solutions
around
what
the
cold
weather
coming
and
it's
time
to
just
keep
doing
that
work.
Really
we
need
landlords.
We
need
to
leverage
our
landlord
friends
and
family
and
community
to
be
willing
to
work
with
people
who
have
vouchers.
H
G
A
All
right
well,
thank
you
very
much
liddy.
We
appreciate
your
time
and
you
gave
us
some
really
good
information,
the
the
survey,
so
I
I
would
my
assumption
is
that
once
you
get
a
chance
to
go
through
the
data
you're
going
to
send
that
out,
probably
through
the
the
human
services
list
serve
and
so
folks
will
be
able
to
really
dive
into
it,
yep.
Okay,
great
all!
Right!
If
there's
no
further
questions
for
lady
well,
we
thank
you
again
and
we'll
be
talking
to
you
again.
G
B
B
G
B
The
end
of
the
obama
administration-
and
this
was
one
of
you
know
it-
was
suspended.
B
The
requirement
was
suspended
very
early
on
by
the
current
administration's
hud
secretary
and
they've
been
working
on
reworking
that
rule
ever
since,
and
so
what
has
now
happened
is
the
the
mandate
to
do
an
assessment
of
fair
housing
has
been
repealed,
but
also
repealed
has
been
the
previous
requirement
to
do
an
analysis
of
impediments.
B
So
in
the
george
bush,
george
w
bush,
george
bush,
the
elder
administration
1994
came
the.
It
was
a
rule
that
has
the
phrase
that
we're
now
all
familiar
with
there.
There
became
a
rule
to
affirmatively
further
fair
housing,
so,
instead
of
just
having
the
fair
housing
act
on
the
books
and
which
is
important,
it
legislates
non-discrimination
against
those
protected
classes,
but
it
doesn't
necessarily
do
anything
further
to
get
fair
housing
to
advocate
for
for
housing
or
to
assess
the
need
for
free
housing
or
anything
like
that.
B
It's
really
just
legislation
that,
if
somebody
can
find
you
know
an
attorney
that
can
prove
that
they've
been
discriminated
against.
That's
not
that's
not
acceptable,
so
affirmatively
furthering
fair
housing.
Looked
like
doing
the
analysis
of
impediments
which
you
saw
those
reports
before
I
came
to
ithaca
again,
they
were
there,
they
were
not
necessarily.
There
was
no
requirement
that
communities
who
did
the
analysis
of
impediments
take
steps.
It
was
really
more
like
a
snapshot.
Here's
what's
going
on
in
our
community.
That
was
the
difference
with
the
assessment
of
fair
housing.
B
It's
a
snapshot,
and
it's
also
the
community
names
its
goals
and
what
steps
it's
going
to
take
and
becomes
accountable
to
those
things.
So
both
of
those
processes
are
now
repealed
and
we're
back
to
basically
what
it
looked
like
before
1994,
which
is
there
is
legislation
on
the
books,
the
1968,
fair
housing
act
that
that
outlaws
discrimination
against
people
in
housing
and
that's
kind
of
where
we're
at.
B
However,
we
have,
we
are
accountable
to
our
goals
still
because
we
built
them
into
our
consolidated
plan.
The
new
rule
does
say
that
entitlement
communities
need
to
address
fair
housing
in
their
consolidated
plan,
say
something
about
it.
B
Nels's
analysis
of
the
rule
led
him
to
believe
that
you
know
it
would
be
acceptable
for
some
communities
to
do
something,
as
small
as
mini
repair
to
to
say
that
they're
addressing
fair
housing
like
basically
do
one
thing
and
that's
okay
and
it
doesn't
matter
what
the
size
of
the
thing
is
or
anything
like
that,
but
in
our
in
our
consolidated
plan,
which
now
has
we're
entering
the
third
third
year
of
it,
we've
identified
our
fair
housing
goals
and
I
will
say
that
when
our
hud
rep
was
reviewing
our
2020
action
plan,
she
specifically
contacted
me
to
ask
me
what
our
actions
were
going
to
be
about
fair
housing
about
the
fair
housing
goals
we
have,
because
we
did
not
have
dollar
amounts
allocated
to
those.
B
We
don't
have
an
activity,
for
example
that
meets
we.
We
do.
We
have
our.
We
have
activities
that
meet
one
of
our
goals,
which
is
to
expand
the
supply
of
fair
house
or
affordable
housing.
So
we
have
several
projects
that
do
that,
but
there
are
some
some
goals.
For
example,.
B
I'm
trying
to
think
of
one
that
displacement.
We
have
two
goals
related
to
displacement,
preventing
addressing
displacement
from
the
city
of
ithaca
and
we're
not.
We
don't
have
an
action
plan
activity,
that's
tied
to
that,
but
my
staff
time
we
are
doing
activities.
You
know
I'm
actually
part
of
a
anti-displacement
learning
network.
We
have
gathered
a
group
of
stakeholders
we're
working
on
a
proposal,
so
she
wanted
me
to
explain
that
to
her
and
also
create
more
language
in
the
action
plan
that
showed
that
we
were
doing
that
with
my
staff
time.
B
So
I
think
what
it
comes
down
to
is
the
different
hud
reps
will
follow
up.
If
there's
something
in
your
action
plan
or
in
your
consolidated
plan
that
you've
said
that
you're
gonna
do,
I
will
say
she
is
an
extremely
proactive
head.
Rep
she's
been
wonderful.
She
came
from
a
similar
position
as
nels's
in
the
city
of
buffalo
administering
hud
entitlement
monies.
B
Our
previous
hud
rep
never
asked
me
any
any
questions
like
this,
so
I
guess
the
bottom
line
is.
We
will
continue
to
work
toward
our
fair
housing.
B
A
Well,
it's
interesting
to
hear
that
at
least
our
representative
is
interested
in
and
still
working
to
to
ensure
that
you
know
that
the
goals
that
the
municipalities
said
they're
going
to
to
follow
are
being
followed.
You
know
my
assumption
was
that,
especially
when
the
the
kind
of
change
was
announced
was
that
basically
the
administration
was
saying
you
know
we
don't
care
or
hood
was
saying
you
know
we
don't
really
care
about
this,
but
it
sounds
like
there
are
people
within
the
agency
who
are
still
trying
to
do
the
good
work.
B
Exactly
and
carl,
I
will
say
that
I
was
as
surprised
as
you
were
pleasantly
so
that
she
asked
about
this.
I
think
that
you
know
hud
is
filled
with
people
who
are
committed
to
a
higher
standard
and
because
we
have
named
this
in
our
consolidated
plan.
That's
the
mechanism
that
she's
that
and
that
was
required
by
assessment
of
fair
housing
that
we
had
to
name
in
the
consolidated
plan.
I
Great,
you
know
this
reminiscent
and
transportation
of
all
the
planning
we
have
to
do
and
the
federal
oversight
and-
and
that's
all
fine
I
actually
want-
I
usually
want
less
federal
over
cycles.
I
Often
those
don't
align.
So
you
end
up
having
to
meet
a
federal
requirement,
but
that's
not
really
what
you
should
you
know?
That's
not
the
opportunity,
that's
in
front
of
you
in
any
case,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
the
intent
of
the
local
area
is
really
what
counts.
I
If
a
place
is
going
to
give
lip
service,
then
yeah
they're
just
going
to
do
the
mini
repair
and
say:
oh
we're
meeting
all
the
requirements
and
that's
that
if
we
really
want
to
have
change-
and
we
want
to
go
well
beyond
that,
then
you
know
then
change
will
happen
and
so
and
I
think
that's
reflective
in
the
plan
that
we
have
that
you
know
we.
We
want
to
go
beyond
just
doing
the
mini
repair
and
calling
it
calling
it
a
victory.
B
Yes,
I
think
you
know
fernando
it's
you
bring
up
so
many
important
points.
We
can
always
do
more
than
what
is
required
right
and
communities
can
always
do
more.
I
think
what
I
doing
the
assessment
of
fair
housing.
You
know
that
was
one
of
the
first
projects
I
worked
on
when
I
came
here
and
it
it
was
hard
it
was.
B
I
mean,
thank
goodness
that
you
know
nels
worked
on
that
project
too,
because
you
know
I
I
hate
to
re
critique
it
in
retrospect,
but
it
you
know
we
were
nelson
and
I
were
anticipating
that
as
the
tool
moved
forward,
it
was
going
to
become
more
user-friendly.
B
You
know
you
know
this
was
a
very.
We
were
like
working
with
one
of
the
first
versions
or
whatever,
but
what
was
really
good
is
it.
It
really
did
give
the
specific
direction
of
communities
need
to
name
their
own
goals.
Whatever
your
goals
are,
then
you
need
to
work
toward
them.
Tell
us
what
your
milestones
are
going
to
be
that
just
doing
that,
I
think
really
helped
us
focus
where.
B
Gave
me
some,
you
know
just
going
through
that
portion
of
the
exercise
and
naming
what
our
goals
would
be
and
then
like
being
like.
Okay.
Well,
I'm
gonna
work
on
this
in
the
first
year,
then,
first
three
years,
and
then
you
know
it's
too
bad
that
you
know
I
mean
more
than
too
bad.
I
I
don't
even
know
what
to
say
about
that,
but
but
yeah
so
anyway.
That's
all.
I
wanted
to
add.
A
All
right
thanks,
denise,
only
a
couple
more
items
on
on
our
agenda.
One
is
the
the
grant
report
which
there's
a
copy
in
the
in
the
agenda
package.
F
Can
I
just
I
earlier
anissa
said
she
could
either
give
an
update
on
the
assistance
program
then
or
after
living
was
done?
Did
we
get
that
already.
B
F
A
Yeah,
we'll
do
we'll
do
the
grant
report
quickly,
there's
nothing
on
there.
That
looks
that
we
need
to
really
pay
we're
under
the
the
ratio.
So
that's
great.
The
only
question
I
had
was
so
we're
still
showing
and
let
me
get
to
it.
A
Yeah
under
2018
cdbg
neighbor
to
neighbor
yeah
still
showing
unexpected
to
29
753,
but
I
thought
we
had
recaptured
that
money.
B
We
have
it's
just
it's
still
in
that
line
until
kim,
until
not
kim
sorry
until
we
identify
whether
the
this
committee
identifies
a
project
that
it
wants
to
recommend
to
ira
or
iura
itself
identifies
a
project
that
it
wants
to
redirect
that
funding
to
it
kind
of
stays
where
it
is
so,
for
example,
one
usual
place
that
we
have
redirected
past
years,
returned
funding
is
to
the
economic
development
loan
fund
and
then
from
there.
It
can
be
like
earmarked
for
other
things.
B
We
haven't
done
anything
yet
with
it,
so
it
kind
of
needs
a
resolution
it
needs.
You
know
some
project
to
come
forward
or
for
a
recommendation
to
come
forward
to
put
it
in
the
economic
development
loan
fund.
I
have
talked
to
nels
about
that.
B
I
I
mean
I'm
thinking
that
that's
probably
the
direction
that
iua
will
take
at
a
future
meeting,
but
for
now
that
and
a
few
other
pieces,
like
the
advocacy
center,
has,
I
think,
1800
left
over
from
its
roof
repair
program,
we're
waiting
for
a
final
report
for
them-
I
you
know,
but
if,
if
they
have
no
other
use
for
that
fun,
funding
that
that'll
also
be
in
our
returned
income.
Our
return
funding,
pool.
G
A
Yeah,
for
some
reason,
I
thought
that
we
that
we,
the
the
agency,
had
passed
a
resolution
redirecting
that
neighboring
neighbor
money
to
the
relief
fund,
but
maybe
we
just
talked
about
it
and
talked
about
having
a
resolution
at
some
point.
B
I
will
check
on
that.
I
will
look
back
over
ira
minutes
to
see
if
there
was
a
resolution
that
I'm
missing
and
if
so,
then,
if
that
is
the
case,
then
it
really
just
has
to
do
with
kim
the
accountants
needing
to
clear
things
through
her
ledger
and
whatever
her
process
is.
I
Okay,
a
question
so
in
in
looking
at
the
unscheduled
column,
the
second
column,
you
know
everything
seems
to
be
complete
or
okay.
C
I
Those
projects
that
have
had
zero
expenditures,
I'm
wondering
if
any
of
those
are
going
to
be
affected
by
the
whole
covet
thing
and
not
be
able
to
advance
something
like
gx
hospitality
program.
B
Well,
it's
interesting
that
you
mentioned
gx
specifically
because
I
did
reach
out
to
them
more
than
a
month
ago
now,
but
and
they
have
been
recruiting
for
their
program
when
I
don't
know
if
you've
seen
that
on
the
human
services
lister,
but
when
I
initially
spoke
to
them.
I
asked
this
very
same
question.
B
This
was.
It
must
have
been
more
than
two
months
ago,
because
new
york
hadn't
reached
the
state
that
it
is
in
now,
but
what
they
desire
to
do
is
to
still
be
able
to
bring
people
into
a
classroom
setting
and
do
their
normal
curriculum.
B
I
asked
them
if
they
had,
you
know
kind
of
any
sort
of
plans
to
do
more
online
type
class.
At
that
time
they
did
not.
They
said
that
they
could
move
to
a
more
one-on-one
type
program.
We
had.
We
had
discussed
a
couple
of
different
options,
so
at
that
time
they
were
still
planning
on
bringing
people
into
the
classroom,
but
this
is
something
that
we
are
talking
about
with
with
our
partners
to
find
out.
Yes,
like,
how
are
you,
anticipating,
you
know,
meeting
your
goals
and
as
they
kind
of
as
time,
moves
forward?
B
This
may
require
us
to
do
amendments
or
substantial
amendments
to
the
action
plan,
so
that
will
include
changes
to
their
contract
so
that
you
know,
if
they
need
to.
You
know,
change
something
significant
about
what
they're
doing.
I
think
that
all
of
the
grantees
plan
on
continuing
their
services,
it
may
look
different
and
they
are
aware
that
they
do
need
to
continue
to
meet
their
their
obligations
in
terms
of
beneficiaries.
A
So
nice,
at
some
point,
will
you
and
or
charles,
be
reaching
out
to
the
agencies
to
kind
of
do
a
check-in?
I'm
sure
it's
probably
a
regular
part
of
your
job
just
to
then
determine
whether
we'll
need
to
do
an
amendment.
You
know
how
they're
progressing.
B
Yes-
and
I
have
I
have-
I
will
well
I'll
just
talk
about
now,
for
example,
catholic
charities,
their
security
deposits
for
the
final
quarter
of
2019,
which
is
kind
of
where
they're
at
now.
B
Unlike
a
lot
of
our
other
programs,
catholic
charities
security
deposits
program
generally
draws
down
their
money
very
quickly,
so
they've
never
had
to
ask
for
an
extension
before
so
I
think
they
were
kind
of
not
aware
that
that
was
something
that
other
programs
did.
B
You
know
for
for
other
reasons,
and
one
of
those
is,
as
you
know,
housing
for
school
success,
families,
five
and
in
the
upcoming
action
plan
year
2020
at
least
five
oar
re-entry
participants
will
receive
full
security
deposits.
B
B
Is
you
know
it's
only
a
portion
of
what
would
be
a
full
security
deposit,
so
people
still
have
to
kind
of
gather
together
enough
other
money
and
or
what
usually
happens
is
you
know
through
help
with
catholic
charities
and
and
so
on?
They
make
an
agreement.
B
The
the
tenant
makes
an
agreement
with
the
landlord
to
pay
the
rest
of
the
security
deposit
incrementally
going
forward,
so
it
didn't
in
effect,
it
increases
their
rent
burden
until
they
paid
the
whole
security
deposit,
and
they
really
feel
like
this
is
not
serving
their
their
beneficiaries
like
they
want
them
to
they're
they.
B
You
know
so
we
talked
through
what
that
might
look
like,
but
I
just
wanted
to
bring
that
up
to
you
to
ask
you
if
you
would
like
them
to
submit
a
proposal
that
would
need
to
require
include
data
about
like
well.
What
is
somebody,
what
is
the
common
amount
of
a
full?
You
know
security
deposit.
B
You
know:
where
are
they
getting
this?
You
know
kind
of
where
have
they
gathered
information
that
that's
the
need?
What
alternatives,
if,
if
not
a
full
security
deposit,
might
they
otherwise
propose?
That's
that's
something
that
they
could
bring
forward
in
a
future
month
or
next
month.
If
you
want
me
to
reach
out
to
them,.
A
Yeah
well,
of
course,
we
have
to
weigh
that
against
the
amount
of
money
the
number
of
people
they
would
be
serving.
B
A
I
wonder
if
there's
any
room
in
this,
the
the
emergency
shelter
grant
that
liddy
was
talking
about.
You
know
the
the
close
to
a
million
dollars,
that's
going
to
be
coming
in
from
the
fed
from
hud
via
the
state
to
to
assist
with
that,
because
that
seems
to
fit.
You
know
right
under
the
the
goals
of
that
grant,
which
is
to
keep
people
in
housing.
B
I
will
definitely
I
can
definitely
talk
to
lady
about
that
I
mean
I
know
that
for
some
of
the
rapid
rehousing
that
she's
talking
about
that
would
include
security
deposits
for
folks
who
it
and
a
you
know
the
the
esg
money
again.
I
believe
it
has
to
be
tied
to
a
coveted,
related
reason,
which
some
people
may
not
be
able
to
prove
a
cobit-related
reason
to
qualify
for
that.
A
Okay,
any
other
staff
items
you
want
to
report.
B
Yes,
let
me
tell
you
the
latest
about
the
emergency
assistance
rental
assistance
program.
This
is
the
latest
numbers
from
delia
and
I
did
ask
her
for
some
clarification.
It
might
surprise
you,
as
it
surprised
some
of
us
that
46
people
in
the
city
of
ithaca
have
applied
for
this
funding.
B
19
of
them
iehs
has
determined
that
they
cannot
help
through
this
program
and
here's
the
breakdown
of
why
six
of
the
19
were
over
had
assets
in
excess
of
five
thousand
dollars.
Four
of
the
applications
were
incomplete
and
never
completed.
They
do
give
people
time
to
you
know,
find
the
documents
that
they
need,
so
four
remained
incomplete.
B
Three
could
not
demonstrate
a
covid
related
income
loss,
so
perhaps
they
lost
their
employment
before
the
pandemic
or
something
like
that
two
of
the
applicants
had
other
assistants
had
gained
other
assistance
and
therefore
possibly
from
a
federal
fund
that
would
be
duplicated
if
inhs
provided
assistance.
B
Three
of
the
applicants
were
in
a
situation
where
there
were
other
roommates
in
the
in
the
unit
and,
as
you
might
recall,
this
is
kind
of
difficult,
but
the
program
is
designed
to
for
people
with
a
so
they
were
on
a
shared
lease,
basically
and
only
one
of
the
roommates
applied.
So
that's
not
how
the
assistance
is
structured.
Everybody
in
the
household
needs
to
apply.
B
So
those
are
the
ones
that
they
couldn't
assist.
There
are
four
more
that
they're.
They
consider
in
process
that
they're
waiting
for
more
documents.
12
applicants
have
been
pre-screened
and
they
are
currently
signing,
tenant
and
or
landlord
agreements.
B
B
Four
applicants
have
been
helped
not
with
our
cdbg
cv
funds
but
from
inhs's
own
reprogrammed
home
funds,
the
reason
being
that
home
can
pay
higher
rents
home
can
pay
a
month
prior
to
the
income
loss.
B
And
the
home
the
whole
money
that
they
have
does
not
require
this
same
coveted,
coveted
tie-in.
I
believe
so
so
that's
where
we're
at
they
do
anticipate
that.
B
If
I
mean
I
know
you
know,
things
are
going
back
and
forth,
but
if
the
not
if
it
sounds
like
the
supplementary
unemployment
insurance
is
ending,
they
do
expect
that
they
will
get
more
applications
after
that
ends.
This
would
be
congruent
with
lady's
findings
in
the
survey
that
she
shared
that
people
have
been
prioritizing
paying
the
rent
with
their
whatever
money
that
they
have
right
now,
so
that
could
be.
I
have
heard
from
service
providers
in
the
community
that
it.
You
know
this
is
a
heavy
heavy,
lift
with
paperwork.
B
It
seems
very
daunting.
On
the
applicant
end,
inhs
has
said
that
they
do
help
people
if
they
need
help
accessing
their
bank
statements
and
things
like
that,
but
a
lot
of
people.
The
service
providers
have
said
that
you
know
when
they've
tried
to
encourage
some
people
to
do
it.
People
feel
like
they.
B
They
wouldn't
qualify
for
some
reason,
so
maybe
they
go
to
catholic
charities
or
the
robin
fund,
or
something
like
that.
B
F
Can
I
ask
a
question
about
that,
because
my
understanding
is
at
this
time
under
this
moratorium,
tenants
can
just
stop
paying
and
then
they
can't
be
evicted.
So
it's
difficult
for
me
to
understand
why
a
landlord
would
not
want
to
participate
if
one
option
is
that
they
get
nothing
and
they
can't
remove
the
person.
B
F
Have
to
do
do
they
incur
a
right
to
renewal,
then.
B
I
you
know,
I
don't
know
if
they
incur
a
right
to
renewal,
but
I
think
some
landlords
may
see
it.
As
I
mean
that's
an
interesting
question
theresa
because
we
did
have
another
case
where
the
where
the
tenant
was
at
the
end
of
their
lease
period
and
they
were
applying
for
assistance
for
before
they
moved
out
the
money
that
they
owed
before
they
moved
out,
and
so
that
wouldn't
have
added
up
to
three
months.
It
would
have
been
like
more
like
one
month
because
they
were
only
one
month
for
arrears.
B
Yes,
they
could
have
used
the
assistance
to
do
that,
but
somehow
the
the
applicant
or
the
landlord
decided
not
to
go
forward
with
the
agreement,
and
I'm
still,
I
still
need
to
reach
out
to
inhs
to
find
out
if
they
have
any
insight.
Why?
But
you
know
it
is,
it
is
puzzling,
teresa
I'll
say
like
I.
I
think
that
I'm
not
sure
if
the
landlord
just
feels
that
the
agreement
that
they
would
be
signing
with
inhs
would
feel
too
restrictive
to
them.
B
It
really
only
says
that
you
can't
like
accept
this
money
and
then
find
a
reason
to
evict
them
when
the
moratorium
are
lifted,
but
for
for
non-payment
for
non-payment
yeah,
they
could
find
another
lease
related
reason.
F
I
mean
I
just
I
think
it's
some
other
meeting
they
presented
numbers.
Maybe
it
was
the
county
tax,
collector
or
whatever
or
the
city
that
normally
they
have
one
point
something
percent
arrears
from
the
june.
The
part
you
owe
in
june,
like
there's
a
little
tiny
penalty.
If
you
pay
it
a
month
late,
then
the
penalty
starts
going
up,
so
they
say
they're
only
off
by
one
point:
something
percent,
and
this
year
it's
seven
percent.
So
they're
saying
well,
that's
only
five
percent.
F
E
F
Are
behind
in
their
rent,
and
so
it
seems
like
what
you
don't
want
is
landlords
to
go
under
and
then
suddenly
bank
of
america
yeah
old
stuff
like
they
did
in
2008,
and
they
just
let
it
fall
down,
yeah
or
or
you
know,
jared
kushner
now
owns
everything.
So
I
I'm
always
curious
when
you
say
landlords
didn't
want
to
participate
because
it
seems
like
it's
a
way
for
them.
It's
like
a
win-win
and
if
that's
not
getting
across,
you
know,
I
wonder
how
we
could
improve
that
message.
B
Yeah,
I
think
that
that's
a
a
good
point
is
that,
because
inhs
is
now
thinking
like
well,
they're
gonna
need
to
do
again
more
outreach.
I
did
a
month
ago
I
reached
out
to
west
villages,
property
manager
and
chestnut
hills,
property
manager,
and
even
though
it's
not
in
the
city
of
ithaca
meadows
property
manager
to
see
were
they
aware
that
they
could
be
telling
their
tenants
about
this.
This
pool
of
funding
and
none
of
those
property
managers
were
aware.
B
So
this
has
been
written
about
in
the
ithaca
voice.
You
know,
there's
been
various
postings
around
town.
All
of
them
said
that
they
would
post
the
information
for
their
for
their
tenants,
invisible
places
and
so
on.
A
milton
meadows
in
particular
was
particularly
like
grateful
to
hear
about
this.
I'm
sorry,
I
don't
know
what
that
that
place
milton
meadows
is
a
new
development.
That's
in
lansing,
I
believe-
and
you
know
it's
far
out
there,
but
several
of
their
tenants
are
on
section
eight.
B
They
have
72
units
and
at
the
time
that
I
talked
to
them,
I
asked
them
how
many
people
had
gone
into
arrears
during
covet
and
they
estimated
15
percent,
so
they
could
be
applying
to
the
county
for
the
county's
funding,
so
they
were
planning
on
then
I
followed
up
and
they
said
that
their
property
manager
was
helping
them
do
that
so
west
village.
Similarly,
I
I
talked,
I
have
a
very
long
conversation
with
their
property
manager.
It
was
very
interesting
talking
to
her
she
very
interesting
person
anyway.
B
She
also
said
that
she
would
work
with
her
tenants.
She
said
that
you
know
full
full
range
of
why
people
were
in
a
rear.
She
she
didn't
know
she
said
she
wanted
to
do
some.
You
know
kind
of
look
through
her
files
and
find
out
who
said
that
they
were
coveted
affected,
but
I
was.
I
was
surprised
that
these
sites
did
not
know
about
it.
B
So
again,
what
we've
done
on
our
end
is
really
ask
service
providers
to
be
posting
this
information
and
pushing
it
out
to
their
participants,
which,
when
I
reached
out
to
advocacy
center
and
a
few
other
places
that
were
not
in
nhs,
that
have
people
you
know
who
they
know
would
be
in
housing
jeopardy.
They
said
that
they
would,
but
it's
hard
to
know
like
why
it's
not
been
more
subscribed
to
as
a
program.
F
B
Thanks,
okay,
so
that
was
the
e-wrap
update.
I
wanted
to
tell
you
that
this
is
kind
of
related,
very
interesting.
B
The
covid19
funders
response
network,
the
community
foundation
and
park
kind
of
spearheaded
at
the
beginning
of
the
pandemic,
and
have
involved
all
area
local
funders
and
I've
been
meeting
with
them
regularly
too
has
through
their
efforts.
B
You
know
through
people
who
had
donated
for
code
specific
reasons
and
or
their
boards,
having
freed
up
funding
for
code,
specific
reasons
or
just
through
coordination
of
efforts
through
applications,
1.5
million
dollars
has
been
allocated
locally
by
these
funders
for
covet
related
needs,
and
they
still
have
130
000
in
a
covid
related
fund
that
they
can
use.
So
I've
really.
I
think
it's
been
a
really
great
way
to
for
funders
to
share
information
that
they
know
they
looked
at.
B
As
you
know,
they
they
contributed
to
the
icc's
covid
relief
on
top
of
what
ira
did
they
did
they?
Those
funders
contributed
13
000
more
for
dicc,
which
was
badly
needed.
They
looked
at
the
law,
new
york
application
and
and
spoke
with
law
new
york,
the
application
that
we
received.
They
decided
not
to
go
forward
on
that.
They
are
looking
still
at
the
human
services
coalition
application
for
a
housing
linkages
program.
B
So
I
don't
know
what
they've
decided
on
that
one,
but
that
that
has
been
a
very
effective
response.
I
think
in
in
the
community
and
in
response
to
the
black
lives
matter
movement
there.
They
also
are
looking
to
put
together
a
similar
response
network
that
would
put
racial
equity
on
the
forefront
that
looking
at
different
applications.
B
B
So
that's
interesting
thought
you
might
be
interested
in
knowing
that
you
probably
already
saw
this
in
the
ethical
voice,
but
the
dot
facility
near
the
farmer's
market
is
going
to
go
up
for
auction
on
september
15th
for
2.8
million
dollars.
It's
not
likely
that
inhs
or
a
similar,
affordable
housing
organization
could
could
outbid
a
private
developer.
So
it
looks
I'm
I
mean
I'm
thinking
that
private
developer
is
going
to
bid
on
that.
B
B
It's
over
eight
acres,
so
it's
a
little
bit
of
dispute.
If
it's
8.3
or
8.8,
I
think
but
yeah
it's
over
eight
acres
and
it
doesn't
involve.
There
is
an
easement
for
the
waterfront
trail
there.
So
it
does
kind
of
divide
the
the
area
but
yeah
very,
very
desirable
area.
B
B
If
you
looked
in
the,
I
think,
a
voice
recently,
you
saw
that
are
not
real
estate
from
corning
is
proposing
a
mixed
use
site
at
4
430
through
444
state
street,
which
is
where
mama
goose
is
now.
They
would
keep
the
mama
goose
building
but
add
130
residential
units
there,
and
so
they
they
provided
some
preliminary
information
to
the
planning
board.
The
planning
board
was
very
pleased
with
the
design
that
the
the
sketch
plan
designs
and
I
think
a
voice
has
a
picture
of
those
yeah.
F
Right,
but
what
does
that
mean
because
the
two
bedroom
units
aren't
at
realty
did
across
from
the
island
gym
rent
for
3
000
a
month
to
3500
a
month
and
like
I'm
terrified
that
someone
will
try
to
do
that
on
west
state
street,
which
is
our
last
affordable
neighborhood?
So
so
what
what
can
we
do?
Is
there
anything
we
can
do?
I
really
that's
why
I'm
asking
you
about
lynn's.
B
F
If
you
did
on
inclusionary
zoning,
I
just
feel
like
they.
They
can't
think
that
they're
going
to
gentrify
west
state
in
that
whole
west
end
neighborhood.
Can
they?
I
mean
one
reason
why
planning
board
liked.
It
was
because
you
can
make
nice
big
windows.
If
you're,
you
know
making
a
class
a
whatever
yeah,
I
I
mean.
Is
there
anything
we
can
do
if
we
want
to
advocate
for
affordable
housing.
B
I
think
that's
a
you
know
a
really
good
question.
Are
you
aware
that
the
tompkins
county
ida
has
adopted
a
policy
as
of
july
8th.
F
B
I
I
will
send
it
to
you
when
we
end
this
meeting,
but
ida
is
adopting
a
policy
asking
for
projects
that
are
applying
for
abatement
from
ida
to
that
they
will
now
be
required
to
include
20,
affordable
housing
within
their
project
if
they're
applying
for
abatement
and
affordable
defined
as
up
to
eighty
percent
ami
or
an
in-lieu
payment
of,
I
saw
in
the
document
teresa.
Yes,
that
5
000,
but
I
think
it
the
document.
The
amount
that
we've
been
discussing
in
ira
is
25
000
per.
F
G
F
B
Great
I
mean
I
did
ask
nells
this
very
question
which
is
like
so
if
the
amount
that
they
would
end
up
needing
to
pay
in
lewis,
25
000,
which
just
seems
like
they
would
to
the
community
housing
development,
trust
which
is
a
cornell
ithaca
county,
I'm
sorry,
not
trust
housing
development
fund.
You
know,
nels
did
acknowledge
that
that
is
not
anywhere
near
enough
money
to
to
build
affordable
housing.
But
the
thought
is
that
the
community
housing
development
fund
is
an
efficient
way
to
allocate
the
funding.
So
it's
a
game.
It's
something
that.
F
F
Better
than
nothing,
but
it's
very
far,
and
if
you
look
at
the
numbers
of
what
they're
foregoing
no
one
would
ever
put
in
affordable
units,
I
I'll
I'll
send
I
mean,
because
we
didn't
announce
this
of
the
numbers
which
you
know
fell
on
deaf
ears,
but
so
that
so
that's
some.
I
mean
I
wonder
if
it's
time
for
us
to
really
push
hard
to
bring
back
some
incentive,
zoning
or
inclusionary
zoning
before
before.
A
And
what
is
the
the
the
by
zoning,
the
height
for
billions?
Is
it
four
stories
or
that
got
increased.
B
Is
wiley's
included?
I
think
it's.
F
B
A
I
Back
that
whole
corridor
shown
that
one,
the
idea
was
that
all
of
what
state
street
would
densify
now
right
and
there's
a
lot
of
underutilized
properties
like
that
one,
and
you
know
the
the
old
carpet
warehouse
building,
which
is
a
shoe
box.
You
know
this
is
buildings
that
occupy
a
lot
of
land
there,
but
I
I
agree
with
teresa.
I
mean
the
city
should
take
the
steps
to
control
and
manage
that
development,
so
it
doesn't
push
out
people.
I
mean
it's
this.
This
is
set
to
create
it's
a
classic
setup
for
for
gentrification
right.
A
A
You
know
washington
square
park
dewitt
park,
so
it's
just
you
know
moving
folks
around
and
around
until
gentrification
forces
them
out
of
the
new
place.
So
we
have
to
find
a
solution.
B
I
think,
and
also
I
think
with
you
know,
the
current
activism
that
I'm
hearing
about
centered
around
the
west
end
centered
around
you
know
with
community
members
talking
about
you
know
exactly
what
theresa
has
said
not
wanting
to
get
priced
out
of
what
is
essentially
the
last
affordable
neighborhood
in
ithaca
I
mean
there
are
a
lot
of
community
groups
that
are,
I
don't
want
to
say,
a
lot
of
community
groups.
There
are
community
members
who
are
trying
to
address
this,
and
my
question
is
yes
how?
B
B
I
will
say
that
during
my
time
at
iura,
for
example,
tom
knight
has
went
to
the
city
of
burlington
and
studied
their
inclusionary,
just
zoning
policy
and
so
on,
and
it
seems
from
my
vantage
point
that
policy
makers
in
this
city
have
been
reluctant
to
adopt
inclusionaries
zone.
What
they
saw.
What
burlington
saw
happen
is
a
cooling
of
development
inside
their
city
boundaries
and
densification
right
outside
their
city
boundaries,
and
that
was
an
unintended
consequence
that
a
lot
of
policymakers
have
not
been
comfortable
with
that
I
mean
so.
B
F
Call
her
so
that
arnon
no
longer
thinks
they
could
make
their
money
that
they
need.
Then
they
won't
buy.
That
parcel
like
what,
if
no
one
wanted
to
buy,
that
this
army
thing
you're
talking
about,
because
you'd
have
to
put
in
affordable
housing,
and
so
they
wouldn't
bid
on
it,
and
it
would
be
worth
less
so
I
mean,
I
think,
the
person
who
wants
to
sell
it.
F
Would
you
know,
although
in
that
case,
it's
just
surplus
land
but
whoever's
bought
all
these
parcels
paid
much
more
than
the
assessed
value
because
they
like
what
is
for
sale
right
now
on
my
corner?
Is
the
mental
health
or
lakeside
lakeview
lakeview
mental
health
building.
F
Yes
and
so
it's
assessed
at
230
and
it
has
a
sale
price
of
539,
and
I
mean
lake
lake
view
has
a
lease,
so
you,
whoever
bought
it,
would
not
be
able
to
kick
them
out
until
their
lease
ended.
I
don't
know
when
their
lease
ends,
at
least
before
sale
sign
went
up
there
and
I
think
it
said
like
540
000
or
something,
but
that's
a
price
that
suggests
that
they
think
it's
a
potential
redevelopment.
C
F
Site
so
the
people
are
looking
to
make
money
when
they
sell
these
places.
But
if,
if
there's
strings
put
on
the
development,
then
it's
not,
you
know,
because
why
should
it
be
assessed
at
230?
And
then
you
get
double
that
you
know
like
you,
you're,
unlocking
double
the
value
by
allowing
it
to
become
a
market
rate
thing,
but
we
could
put
strings
on
that
it.
It
seems
I
don't
you
know
and
if
burlington
is
not
the
right,
I
mean.
I
also
think
when
lynn
worked
on
that
five
years
ago,
it
was
a
different
yeah.
F
F
B
Okay,
I
mean,
let
me
talk
to
nels,
and
perhaps
others
in
this
group
have
more
insight.
You
know,
I
think
a
proposal
needs
to
be
brought
forward
to
common
council.
I
know
that
a
couple
of
members
of
common
council
were
interested
in
this
were.
B
F
You
know,
challenge
them,
because,
because
seattle,
they
kept
changing
their
city
council
members
until
they
had
a
super
majority
to
vote
for
defunding
the
police,
and
that
you
know
we
could
we
don't.
We
aren't
stuck
with
the
common
council
members
who
you
know,
don't
necessarily
want
things
that
are
good
for
the
city.
I
I
don't.
I
Well,
you
there's
that
there's
also,
you
know,
educating
the
ones
that
are
there
and
saving
change
if
address
their
concerns.
I
I'm
no
expert
in
this
topic,
but
you
know
it's
okay,
to
go
to
burlington
and
see
what
they're
doing,
but
we're
not
burlington.
E
I
I
don't
know
if
they
have
an
inhs
equivalent,
I
mean
there's.
We
need
to
mold
whatever
the
rules
are
to
our
reality
here
and
try
to
find
the
formula
that's
going
to
work
it.
It's,
sadly,
is
it's
going
to
be
real
messy
work.
It's
here,
you're
fighting
against
the
this.
You
know
the
the
capitalist
system,
the
the
you
buy,
the
property
make
the
most
money
you
can
and
that's
very
powerful.
I
So,
but
but
there
are
tools
out
there.
So
you
know
it's
it's
a
good
fight.
It's
likely
to
be
a
long
one.
A
And
with
that
said,
it's
not
something
we're
gonna
solve
now
we're
coming
up
on
10
30,
so
come
on
carl.
I
A
Sell
it
right
here
well
and
there's
a
renewed
spirit
of
activism,
as
theresa
said,
so
that's
going
to
be
important
to
any
kind
of
changes,
because
you
know
fighting
is,
as
fernando
said,
the
the
system.
You
know
the
system
of
capital
is
going
to
take
those
efforts
to
to
force
the
politicians
to
do
what
the
community
wants
them
to
do.
E
A
But
I
will
motion
that
we
adjourn
because
I
do
have
to
get
going.
Thank
you
all.
A
You
okay,
thank
you
all
for
for
being
here.
It
was
interesting
meeting.
Unfortunately,
we
ended
on
a
big
problem
that
we
can't
solve
right
now,
but
perhaps
a
future
discussion.