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A
B
So,
while
we're,
while
we're
just
killing
time
totally
random
question
unrelated
to
anything,
is
anybody
else
overrun
with
tent
caterpillars.
C
D
B
Yeah
there's
a
tree:
it's
not
even
in
my
yard,
it's
in
my
neighbor's
yard,
but
it's
a
huge
tree
and
hangs
over
several
yards
and
it's
got
hundreds
of
nests
and
they're
just
all
over
the
place
and
they
sneak
in
any
nook
or
cranny
that
doesn't
seal
perfectly
like
my
back
screen.
So
I'm
finding
I'm
ready
to
gouge
my
eyes
out
because
I
sweep
hundreds
of
them
out
every
day
and
it's
making
me
absolutely
insane.
D
E
We
have
the
wiggly
asian
worm
up
here,
but
but
I
don't
think
the
tent
caterpillars
yet
well.
I
think
they
really
love.
C
Yeah
for
sure
all
right,
why
don't
we
get
started
if
we
have
quorum
anyway?
So
all
right
if
doug
joins
and
I'm
not
quite
sure,
it'll-
take
us
a
little
while
probably
to
get
here.
C
Is
no
oh?
No
there
he
is,
I
was
gonna,
say
it's
jeffrey,
but
doug
and
jeff
join
the
same
time.
Okay,
so
all
right
we're
getting
started
here.
332
welcome
everybody.
Now,
there's
any
additions
or
deletions
or
anybody
else
additions
or
deletions.
C
C
Nope,
okay,
so
up
to
a
review
of
the
meeting
minutes.
This
is
the
june
16th
meeting.
Would
someone
care
to
move
the
minutes.
C
C
D
C
So
that's
three
in
favor,
yeah,
great,
okay,
all
right
so
green
street
garage
redevelopment
project
again
on
our
agenda
does
a
have
to
become
before
b
or
should
we
deal
with
b,
because
we
have
our
guests
for
b
and
c.
E
There's
no
particular
reason
why
we
have
to
talk
in
the
order
we
can
talk.
We
can
jump.
C
E
Okay,
so
the
ed
committee
recommended
adoption
of
a
disposition
and
development
agreement
at
our
last
meeting
that
that
agreement
went
to
the
ira.
The
ira
did
endorse
that.
Then
that
per
hour
our
approach,
we
then
send
out
to
the
developer
for
their
endorsement
or
for
a
counter
proposal.
E
In
this
case,
they
did
respond
with
some
comments
that
they
would
like
to
consider
for
modifications
in
the
agreement
and
they
wrote
to
our
attorney
mariette
gildenheist,
who
then
responded
back
and
then
I
took,
I
took
a
liberty
to
try
to
develop
a
revision
that
would
address
the
two
concerns,
rather
than
waiting
for
the
attorneys
to
work
out
all
the
issues.
E
So
what
you
have
in
your
packet
is
a
redline
version
of
the
previously
approved
disposition,
development
agreement
that
attempts
to
resolve
the
outstanding
issues
that
were
identified
in
the
correspondence
between
the
developer
and
our
attorney
and
then.
Secondly,
our
attorney
also
suggested
some
edits
for
clarifications
and
clarity
in
there.
So
some
of
the
edits
are
internal
for
clarity
and
then
some
are
in
response
to
the
developers,
concerns
that
were
raised
regarding
prevailing
wages
and
the
maximum
rent
rate
for
the
parking
garage
were
the
primary
concerns
raised
in
writing.
E
That
requires
that
any
project
going
forward
that
includes
multi-family
housing
will
be
required
to
provide
twenty
percent
of
the
units
or
below
market
rates
or
affordable
at
eighty
percent
ami.
E
They
can
do
that
in
one
of
two
ways:
they
can
provide
it
on-site
or
they
can
provide
it
via
a
in-lieu
payment
that
would
go
to
the
community
housing
development
fund
administered
by
the
city,
the
county
and
cornell
for
funding
and
assistance
for
affordable
housing
projects.
Chris
sits
as
one
of
the
city's
representatives
on
that
group,
so
the
that's.
A
new
change
the
ida
adopted
that
policy,
but
did
not
include
any
additional
incentives
for
the
developers.
E
So
it's
basically
the
same
development
incentive
package
that
the
idea
has
been
offering
for
years,
but
now
it
has
a
new
condition
on
it.
So
for
a
project
of
this
size
with
200
units,
the
in
in
lieu
fee
required
to
meet
that
requirement,
if
they
chose
to
make
the
contribution
rather
than
provide,
the
units
would
be
one
million
dollars,
200
units,
20,
affordable
or
below
market
rate.
E
In
this
case,
the
developer
has
proposed
you
know
and
committed
to
the
ira
to
provide
ten
percent
of
the
of
the
units
on
site
so
they're,
ten
percent
short,
which
requires
a
five
hundred
thousand
dollar
payment
if
they
choose
to
make
the
payment
in
lieu
of
providing
twenty
percent
on
site.
E
So
there's
a
change
in
the
economic
environment
from
where
the
developer
expected
things
to
be
earlier
and
they
would
like
to
discuss
ideas
about
modifying
the
distribution
of
below
market
rate
units
in
the
project
seems
to
be
the
primary
concern
they
have
now
in
terms
of
the
dda.
So
I
think
that's
going
to
be
an
issue
we're
going
to
want
to
talk
about
today
with
with
the
development
team
and
see
if
we
can
find
some
consensus
on
how
that
should
best
work.
E
But
there
are
so
there's
redline
revisions
in
the
dda
and
then
there's
this
new
issue.
That's
not
addressed
in
the
dda.
C
Okay,
nels,
that's
great!
Thank
you
for
the
summary,
so
my
suggestion
would
be
to
have
a
discussion
amongst
us,
the
committee,
as
well
as
the
developer,
on
the
substantive
issues,
starting
with
the
one
you're
just
talking
about
which
is
sort
of
changing
hearing
their
ideas
about
how
to
change
the
distribution
of
the
units
and
then
review
any
other
substantive
issues
that
we
need
to
resolve
and
then
go
to
the
red
line
rather
than
work
through
the
red
line
and
find
out
we're
having
a
longer
conversation
about
the
substantive
issues
and
then
does
that.
D
C
Okay,
so
maybe
I'll
turn
to
the
development
team.
Maybe
if
there's
anything
you
want
to
add
to
nell's
overview
or
if
you
want
to
just
sort
of
pick
up
on
the
issue
of
the
distribution
of
the
units
and
kind
of
give
us
a
sense
of
what
you're
proposing
and
then
we
can
sort
of
maybe
kind
of
have
some
q
about
it.
A
Sure
so
this
is
jared
hutter
partners
with
jeff
on
the
project
here,
and
you
know
I
I
think
the
distribution
of
units
is
really
not
an
issue
at
this
point.
You
know
we
we're
working
through
a
number
of
different
things
on
our
side
to
what
those
look
like.
So
I
don't
see
that
that's
an
issue
that
can't
be
resolved,
or
you
know
that
we
think
is
going
to
be
an
issue
moving
forward
where
we
do
have.
You
know
some
significant
concerns.
A
Is
you
know
this
additional
payment
that
is
now
put
in
there,
because
that
really
came
in
at
the
11th
hour?
You
know,
obviously,
it's
a
tough
economic
environment.
That's
out
there.
We've
always
made
the
right.
We
understand
that
you
know
from
a
city
and
iowa
perspective.
It's
always
mentioned
that
the
goal
is
twenty
percent.
We're
not.
A
We
recognize
that
the
minimum
is
ten
percent
and
that
we
are
at
the
minimum
on
that
side,
but
I
think
to
have
in
this
additional
payment
here
without
finding
a
way
to
sort
of
earn
it
back
from
a
developer.
Development
standpoint
is
is
a
huge
problem
that
could
ultimately
really
stall
this
project.
I
mean,
I
think
what
needs
to
be
remembered
here
in
this
process
is
that
you've
got
200
plus
fully
affordable
units
next
door.
So
there's.
A
A
C
A
The
commons
is
is
a
very
exciting
thing:
it's
a
very
attractive
thing
for
many
people,
but
you
know
we'd,
like
you
guys
to
really
find
a
way
to
reconsider
this,
because
at
this
point
an
additional
five
hundred
thousand
dollars
just
thrown
onto
a
construction
budget
or
to
a
development
budget.
Is
it's
a
huge
problem?
I
mean
it's
really
what
it
is
so
so
I
think
you
know
to
those
points
right.
The
only
other
thing.
A
C
Right,
but
just
for
clarification
right
so
so
when
we
started
this
process,
I
can't
even
recall
not
how
many
months
ago
right
so
we
were
talking-
you
know
with
you
all
about
the
goal
of
the
10
and
the
idea
of
the
20
right,
and
so
that's
where
I
think
the
ira
was
coming
in.
I
think,
as
nels
pointed
out
like
the
ida,
separate
body
has
nothing
to
do.
You
know
kind
of
separate
governance
structure
from
us
now.
Has
this
requirement
that
if
you're
going
to
seek
their
tax
incentives,
they
now
have
this
20
20
requirement.
C
C
E
The
standards
are,
quite,
you,
know,
minimal
in
some
respects,
if
you're
in
the
right
district,
which
this
project
is,
if
you're
at
the
right
height
and
density
and
valuation
all
which
meet
this
requirement,
this
project
would
require
would
receive
an
endorsement
from
the
common
count.
You
know
from
the
city,
not
from
the
county
council.
They
don't
vote
on
it.
They've
delegated
that
authority.
This
this
project
would
meet
those
standards
for
endorsement
from
the
city
to
the
ida.
E
For
the
incentive
package,
we
don't
negotiate
the
incentive
package,
we
just
pass
it
forward,
so
to
speak
with
a
public
information
session,
and
so
in
that
regard
there
would
be
support
from
the
city
to
the
ida.
C
Wait,
let
me
just,
can
I
just
clarify
your
comments,
make
sure
I
understand
what
you're
saying
right.
So
if,
if,
if
the
dda
didn't,
if
the
dda,
which
I
think
it
does
talk
currently
says
the
minimum
requirements,
ten
percent
right
correct
right.
So
if
we
left
the
dda,
as
is
saying,
the
minimum
requirement
for
units
is
10
and
the
city
endorsed
the
project
right
then,
ultimately,
the
negotiation
of
whether
or
not
they
can
get
a
waiver
on
the
other
10
percent,
in
other
words,
we're
endorsing
this
product.
C
C
F
C
I
think
that's
a
fair
question
jared
and
I
think
we're
just
trying
to
sort
out
like
what
what
our
package
going
forward
looks
like
right,
coming
out
of
the
city
so
that
as
you're
taking
that
conversation
right,
because
we're
not
a
party
to
that
conversation.
Basically,
once
the
city
endorses
the
project
right.
So
the
key
is:
what
are
we
endorsing.
F
Yeah,
I
I
spoke
with
martha
robertson
lately
and
he
said
that
if
you
know
the
project
being
brought
before
the
ida
can
be
done
on
a
case-by-case
basis,
and
even
though
that
the
500
000
is
is
part
of
their
policy.
Today,
the
fact
that
we're
building
a
parking
garage
that
has
a
community
benefit
they
may
they
may
be
able
to
to
look
at
that
as
an
incentive
for
them
to
reduce
the
amount
of
funds
that
they
would
require
us
to
pay.
F
But,
like
jared
said,
we
would
need
you
know
the
backing
of
the
the
city.
To
emphasize
that
you
know
we're
doing
more
than
just
a
typical.
F
C
F
I
think
they
need
to
hear
it
as
opposed
to
read
it.
You
know
or
look
between
the
lines.
F
You
know
we're
we're
building
a
garage
as
as,
as
you
all
know,
that's
not
going
to
be
an
easy
feat
and
and
there's
getting
getting
the
return
on
investment
is
going
to
be
minimal
if
any
on
that
and
not
portion
of
the
project
so
and
then
and
then
to
have
to
pay
another
500
000
for
the
affordable
component
is
pretty
onerous
and
then
of
course,
then
we're
you
know
we
have
to
we
we're
going
to
provide
the
enhanced
energy,
but
I
don't
know
where
that
stands
now
too,
because
you
know
originally
we're
doing
the
enhanced
energy.
F
Now,
the
enhanced
energy
and
the
20
percent
affordable
becomes
almost
a
deal
breaker
or
it
is.
F
F
B
So
something
I'd
like
to
toss
out
I'd
be
really
interested
when
we
revisit
this
to,
and
this
might
be
a
question
jeffrey
to
take
to
to
the
ida
if
they
insist
on
the
payment
of
the
500
or
a
reduced
amount.
B
What
I
guess
this
is
part
of
the
negotiation
right.
What
change
in
other
requirements
would
make
it
worth
your
while,
because
I
think
there
is
a
community
benefit,
obviously
to
the
garage,
but
there's
also
a
community
benefit
to
funding
going
into
the
housing
development
fund,
because,
especially
in
the
current
climate,
future
funds-
or
I
should
say
future
dollars
going
into
that
fund-
may
be
extremely
limited,
and
you
know
500
excuse
me.
500
000,
going
into
that
fund
is
a
pretty
substantial
chunk
that
could
support
a
lot
of
other
projects.
C
Yeah
I
mean
I'd
like
to
second
just
what
leslie's
saying
there
I
mean
again.
We
may
not
nobody
on
the
call
here
may
not
know
exactly
what
that
number
is
at
the
moment,
but
you
know
that
essentially
long-term
sustainability
for
the
city
that
is
somehow
offset
by
somehow
better
returns
for
you
somehow
on
the
project
could
actually
be
a
win-win
if
the
ida
could
see
it
the
same
way
I
mean.
C
Of
uncharted
waters
here,
because
all
of
this
is
pretty
new
and
they
this
obviously
came
up
before
we
were
starting
to
consider
this-
how
to
structure
this
project
too.
So
we're
also
trying
to
find
our
way,
but
I
think,
but
there
yeah
there
could
be
a
a
a
pathway
there.
I
think
that
I
would
also
be
interested
in
exploring
that
would
still
get
us.
A
nice
building
downtown
with
lots
of
new
units
gets
us
a
garage.
C
You
know
a
nice
again
addition
to
the
comments
which
is
going
to
need
all
the
extra
boost
it
can
get
in
the
next
several
years.
So
there's
still
a
lot
of
other
community
benefit
for
sure.
C
So
nels,
what's
the
chicken
and
egg
here
like
they
do
they
have
to
do?
We
have
to
have
this
dda
squared
away
before
they
can
get
final
approval
from
the
ida,
or
can
they
get
like
some
sort
of
provisional
approval
from
the
ida
and
come
back
to
us,
and
then
we
edit
the
dda
and
have
a
final
dda
that
can
go
back
to
common
council.
E
Well,
the
the
conveyance
is
is
subject
to
the
dda,
so
you
know
at
some
points.
Property
conveyance
is
tied
back
to
this
and
I
think
there
is
a
little
bit
of
flexibility
of
which
goes.
First,
I
mean
the
kind
of
the
the
industrial
development
agency
can't
take
action
prior
to
seeker
being
completed,
which
is
basically
the
site
plan,
approval
process
which
they're
in
the
midst
of
and
are
hoping
for.
I
believe
a
september,
maybe
finding
on
secret,
maybe
even
august,
but
so
that
that
will
drive
the
timeline.
E
When
you
get
to
the
idea,
you
also
have
to
have
a
mandatory
public
hearing.
So
that's
another
step
in
the
process
is
some
time
here.
It
would
be
unusual
for
the
ida
to
reach
a
final
approval
of
a
project
incentive
package,
probably
before
november.
I
would
expect
to
be
closer
to
november,
in
all
likelihood,
so
we
could.
You
know,
I
think
we
can
always
come
back
and
amend
it,
but
if
once
we
bring
it
to
common
council,
if
we
amend
it,
we
got
to
bring
it
back
to
common
council
yeah.
E
E
If
you
recall,
when
the
common
council
recommended
to
the
ida
to
increase
to
add
a
an
affordable
housing
component
to
their
incentive
package
as
a
requirement,
there
also
was
a
recommendation
to
enhance
the
benefits
to
afford
that
that
increased
affordability
and
the
idea
did
not
increase
the
the
package.
So
it
is
creating
a
little
bit
of
attention
here
as
we're
seeing
how
do
you
afford
that
in
a
project?
E
E
That's
going
to
be
provided
so
that
really
will
help
answer
a
lot
of
questions
in
terms
of
the
ida's
perspective,
of
whether
the
project
can
support
that
and
then
there's
also,
the
step
of
the
developer
has
to
go,
get
bank
financing
and
investors,
and
you
know
the
two
may
meet
and
the
two
may
may
not
meet
on
that
on
that
level.
C
E
A
Correct
so
so
let
us
have
that
opportunity
now.
You
know
we'll
go
back
with
the
ida
and
you
know
sort
of
see
where
that
lands
we're
on
top
of
it.
C
A
Let
me
just
double
check
my
notes
here.
I
think
we
really
want
to
push
pause.
Okay,
you
know
we've.
I
think
you
know
we've
worked
through.
Obviously
you
know
one
point:
we
had
some
concerns
about
the
you
know
the
prevailing
wage
on
the
parking
garage
side.
That
certainly
is
going
to
increase
the
cost
there
significantly,
but
so
long
as
you
know,
the
city
understands
that
that
there
is
an
increased
cost
there
that
is
ultimately
being
passed
back.
I.
A
F
A
Just
want
to
at
least
make
sure
everyone's
aware
that
there
will
be
a
significantly
increased
cost
by
building
it
as
prevailing
wage.
But
we're.
C
C
C
Okay,
so
why
don't
we
push
pause?
Well,
you
have
another
conversation
with
ida
and
then
you
know
via
nells
we
can
bring.
This
back
to
committee
sounds.
C
C
Guys,
okay,
that
was
faster
than
I
thought.
Let's
talk
about
the
western
section,
then.
D
Oh
doug,
you
have
one
more
thing
yeah.
I
just
wondered
in
terms
of
the
the
payment
they
have
to
the
housing
fund,
whether
there
be
a
consideration
or
if
it
make
a
difference,
if
they
could
pay
that
over
time,
you
know
so
much
per
year
for
the
first
10
years,
once
the
project's
done
so
get
it
out
of
the
actual
development
costs
and
more
into
long-term
operating
costs.
Just
an
idea.
E
That
actually
doug-
I
was
on
the
committee
that
was
an
advisory
committee
for
them,
and
that
was
one
of
the
suggestions
raised
at
one
point
is
to
defray
that
cost
over
a
couple
years.
Maybe
not
you
know
not
over
30
years,
but
you
know
stretch
it
out
a
little
bit
and
the
concern
of
the
ida
was
they
don't
want
to
be
in
a
position
of
clawback
and
they
want
to.
E
You
know
they
wanted
the
money
up
front
when
it
could
be
utilized
and
that
the
housing
could
the
housing
that
that
money
could
afford
to
help
assist
would
also
come
online
soon.
You
know
on
a
timeline
that
would
be
similar
to
the
project,
but
the
primary
concern
was
really
at
the
ida
was
just
managing
that
over
time,
they're,
not
in
the
business
of
really
managing.
E
You
know
installment
payments
over
a
time
period,
and
what
do
they
do
if
there's
a
missed,
installment
payment?
You
know
they've
paid
two
thirds
of
it,
but
not
the
final
third,
where
what
does
that
leave
them?
They
were
worried
about
those
kind
of
what-if
questions,
but
I
do
think
that
that
is
a
negotiable
point.
They
could
they
could
bring
up.
You
know,
especially.
C
E
So
yeah
there's
there's
three
major
benefits
for
that.
The
idea
can
provide
one
is
the
sales
tax
exemption
on
materials
which
can
be
pretty
significant
in
a
project.
This
scale,
second,
is
a.
They
can
exempt
the
state's
portion
of
the
mortgage
tax
exemption
mortgage
tax
requirement,
so
they
can
exempt
part
of
that.
That
can
be
several
hundred
thousand
dollars
and
those
would
be
up
front
and
then
the
of
course
is
the
abatement
over
time
right
yeah.
So
there
are
some
offsetting
issues,
but
essentially
the
analysis
that
I
think
was.
E
The
overarching
view
was
that
most
developers
maximize
the
amount
of
loan
funds
they
can
get
anyway
with
the
project,
and
so,
if
there's
an
additional
requirement
for
500
000
in
the
cash
payment,
that's
going
to
come
out
of
equity
and
therefore
it's
going
to
reduce
the
return
on
equity,
because
you
need
more
money
to
be
brought
into
the
project
with
the
same
amount
of
you
know:
revenue
and
income.
Coming
back,
it
looked
like
that
that
the
standard
they
said
it
would
drop
the
rate
of
return
by
something
around
one
percentage
point.
E
C
E
C
When
you
can
sit
with
consider,
in
addition
to
the
part
what
the
partners
are
already
making
and
until
leslie's
point,
you
know,
budgets
are
going
to
be
constrained
going
forward
in
at
the
state
and
county
level.
So
if
we
can,
if
there
still
is
positive
housing
development
in
multifamily
in
the
next
several
years,
this
is
a
great
way
to
provide
additional
funds
for
affordable
units
right.
If
it
all
may
be
made
to
work.
B
Yeah,
you
know
another
thing
this
would
be.
I
guess
an
argument
against
spreading
out
that
payment
to
the
fund
over
time
is
that
if
the
city
and
county
budgets,
you
know
the
budgets
of
the
contributing
entities,
don't
allow
for
them
to
contribute
any
further
funds.
The
the
housing
fund
might
cease
to
exist,
and
if
that
happened
before
rimland's
project
or
any
other
had
paid
off
their,
you
know
their
their
debt,
so
to
speak,
their
500
000
or
whatever
it
was.
C
E
Yeah,
so
if
you
remember
remland's,
just
the
eastern
one-third,
the
western
two-thirds
are
the
vasino
project,
which
incorporate
includes
a
mixed-use
building
with
the
conference
center
on
the
bottom
levels
and
then
eight
stories
of
affordable
housing
above
and
then
the
center
section
will
be
the
existing
green
street
garage
with
the
addition
of
four
additional
levels
of
parking,
total
of
350
parking
spaces
in
that
center
section.
Once
rimland
project
goes
forward,
we'll
be
pretty
close
to
500
total
parking
spaces
in
in
the
in
the
development,
both
vecino
and
rimland.
E
Ithaca
properties
is
actually
the
applicant's
name
for
the
rimland
project.
As
I've
been
calling,
it
have
been
moving
well
through
the
planning
board
process,
they've
each
run
into
a
small
little
hiccups
here
and
there
I
would
say,
of
the
two.
The
rimland
project
is
sailing
through
with
less
issues
and
actually
quite
close
to
getting
their
seeker
environmental
review
negative
declaration,
meaning
that
they
can
then
go
to
the
next
meeting
and
act
on
the
actual
site
plan
approval
process.
E
The
vasino
project
has
had
an
article
78
petition
filed
against
it
and
against
the
city
by
harold's
holdings.
The
owners
of
the
herald
square
project
and
they
have
been
asking
for
a
number
of
things.
One
of
the
major
issues
is
they
were
seeking
greater
separation
distance
between
the
residential
towers.
E
So
that
is
an
issue
that
has
to
be
worked
out
or
considered
because
it
can
hold
up
final
approvals
or
effective
final
approvals.
I
don't
don't
believe
there
can
be
an
issuance
of
any
building
permit
while
there's
a
pending
article
78,
so
it
basically
would
go
in
a
hole
pattern
until
that
was
resolved
under
one
scenario,
the
cno
is
reaching
out
to
the
petitioners
to
see
if
they
can
work
at
a
settlement
and
they
are
seeing
if
they
can
find
a
common
ground.
That
would
would
resolve
those
issues.
E
So
the
project
is
advanced
pat,
you
know
well
into
a
site
plan
process
and,
secondly,
has
gone
into
a
very
refined
level
of
budgeting,
so
they
are
very
close
to
being
able
to
prepare
construction
documents
and
go
to
the
state
for
financing
for
their
project
and
work
out
the
agreements
with
the
city
as
well
as
long
as
the
article
78
can
be
resolved.
So
that's
going
to
be
the
big
question
going
forward
in
terms
of
the
timeline
for
the
project.
E
It's
not
unusual
for
an
article
78
to
take
several
months
to
be
resolved
if
it
has
to
go
through
a
court
process.
New
york
state
courts
are
not
particularly
rapid
and
fast
in
in
these
issues.
So
it's
really
important
to
see
if
they
can
figure
out
a
settlement
that
would
meet
both
parties
needs.
So
that's
that's
where
it
stands.
E
They
will,
if
you,
if
you
follow
planning
board
meetings,
there'll
be
something
on
the
agenda
every
month
going
forward
for
the
next
three
months
on
both
these
projects,
it
will
be
a
seeker
review
or
a
site
plan
approval
kind
of
issue.
There
will
be
a
need
for
a
subdivision
of
the
property
as
well,
because
the
city
will
maintain
a
portion
of
what
the
green
street
parking
garage
site
is
currently,
which
goes
right
to
the
city
hall,
building
line
or
sidewalk
entrance
area.
E
So
there's
a
number
of
steps
involved,
but
they
have
both.
Both
these
applicants
have
moved
the
project
forward
significantly.
You
know
very,
very,
very
developed
and
very
timely
and
I
think
they're
gaining
strong
support
from
the
planning
board
for
both
projects.
So
it's
a
good
sign,
they've
managed
to
maneuver
through
many
issues.
The
two
big
issues
that
have
come
up
in
site
plan
have
been
what
happens
during
the
construction
period,
in
terms
of
how
is
it
impact
pedestrian
connections
and
transportation
and
loading
and
unloading
and
parking,
and
then,
secondly,
long
term?
E
Does
the
new
development
of
all
these
well?
This
project
create
some
sort
of
a
parking
shortage
going
forward,
or
is
there
sufficient
parking
in
the
greater
downtown
area?
So
the
city's
done
some
analysis
and
looked
at
that
question
quite
closely
and
hired
a
consultant
who
it
looks
like
the
numbers
are
suggesting
that
there
is
ample
parking
downtown
if
we
just
manage
it
wisely
and
that
there
should
be
sufficient
parking.
There
are
going
to
be
surge
events
at
the
conference
center.
E
That
would
be
more
than
you
would
normally
control,
and
the
conference
center
itself
is
committed
to
manage
some
of
that
parking
demand
by
specialized
kind
of
transit
and
shuttles
and
and
those
kind
of
issues
should
they
have
a
large
event.
If
you
recall
they're,
not
predicting
that
many
events
in
the
first
couple
years
and
and
of
the
events
they
have
only
a
few
of
them
are
large
scale.
E
So
that's
that
that's
an
ongoing
issue
to
figure
out
exactly
how
it's
going
to
work,
but
in
the
short
term
your
green
street
garage
will
be
offline
for
a
number
of
months
and
it
appears
that
there
are
300
or
370
underutilized
parking
spaces
in
the
greater
downtown
area
without
green
street
garage
and
the
green
street
garage
doesn't
even
hold
370
parking
spaces.
So,
logically,
there
should
be
enough
parking
to
support
the
current
needs.
E
You
have
to
add
on
to
that
that
hill
square
is
coming
online.
That's
pretty
new
demand,
but
offsetting.
That
is
the
over
19
impacts,
which
have
shown
that
there's
very
little
parking
demand
downtown
currently
and
probably
will
be
a
reduced
amount
going
forward,
as
a
number
of
downtown
employers
have
moved
to
a
different
remote
workforce,
setting
that
they
hadn't
been
in
before
and
find
that
it
works
very
well
for
the
for
several
the
higher
tech
operations.
E
I
think
we
have
financials.
C
E
Which
show
that
all
of
our
grants
are
moving
along?
Well,
we
don't
have
anybody
delayed.
We
did
terminate
a
couple
of
contracts
that
met
their
deadline
for
time
for
spend
down,
so
we
swept
those
funds
back.
Like
the
love
knows
no
balance
contract.
They
finished
one
project,
but
they
didn't
finish
two
others
that
they
tried
to
get
going
turns
out
that
some
of
their
key
staff
were
medical
workers
and
they
ran
into
other
demands
on
their
time.
E
So
we
pulled
back
some
of
those
monies
that
are
left
over
the
tom.
Can
the
tcat
projects
have
been
completed
at
what
you
know
the
bus
stop
improvements
at
west
state
street
near
meadow
street
was
the
most
recent
one
completed,
so
those
those
took
a
while
to
work
out.
That
was
actually
an
extra
project
added
in
when
they
had
extra
money.
E
They've
got
one
on
elm
street
they've
got
the
one
over
by
the
motor
vehicle
the
department
of
driver
motor
vehicles
yeah.
I
guess
that's
motor
vehicles
on
third
and
hancock
here,
so
the
grants
look
in
good
shape.
We
haven't,
we
just
got
approval
from
hud
for
the
2020
funding,
so
that'll
be
added,
probably
next
month,
I
think
it'll
be
next
month.
It'll
be
it'll,
show
up
here
those
projects.
We
also
got
approval
for
the
cdbg
open,
19
funding.
E
So
again
those
will
start
to
show
up
on
the
sheet.
So
really
this
is
kind
of
an
older
list
of
projects.
I'm
glad
we
don't
have
any
that
are
still
running
as
problematical
projects.
You
know
in
delay.
E
So
that's
that's
the
good
news
on
the
grants
in
terms
of
the
loans
everybody
is
currently
current,
even
though
there
were
some
a
couple
of
current
in
terms
of
their
agreement,
we
have
some
that
we're
providing
deferred
payments
on
with
the
exception
of
the
finger
lakes,
massage
group,
which
our
attorney
is
still
working
on,
so
that
loan
repayment
package
is
is
pretty
solid
in
the
in
terms
of
releases,
even
though
it
shows
two
were
past
due
all-pro
and
quicker
green.
E
Those
are
all
current
is
as
of
this
as
of
today
actually
of
last
week,
so
we
don't
have
any
delinquencies
or
late
payments.
Due
there,
we
did
receive
an
inquiry
from
the
ithaca
farmers
market
that
is
inquiring
about
options
for
them.
They
have
had
reduced
revenues
because
they
can't
they
used
to
part
of
their
business
model,
is
to
lease
out
the
pavilion
for
events,
and
they
have
been
unable
to
do
that.
This
year,
plus
they've
had
reduced
limitations
on
the
number
of
vendors.
E
They
can
have
at
any
one
time
as
well
as
a
number
of
shoppers,
so
they
are
trying
to
figure
out
where
they
are
financially
going
forward
and
how
long
you
know
they're
going
to
be
under
these
kind
of
changes
they
may
be
asking
for
some
assistance
from
the
agency
coming
up.
We've
asked
them
to
put
something
in
writing
of
what
they
would
like
to
explore
with
the
agency
and
see
where
that
goes.
They
were
successful
in
getting
a
nice
grant
to
keep
their
operations
going
recently.
E
They
they
so
they've,
been
pretty
proactive
and
they're,
also
working
on
a
grant.
They
got
implementing
a
grant
they
received
for
doing
long-term
planning
for
their
facilities,
both
the
parking
lot
and
the
pavilion.
So
that's
that's.
You
know,
usually
a
good.
A
good
planning
exercise
to
find
the
resources.
E
Yeah,
I
think
that's
one
of
the
questions
is:
we've
talked
about,
we've
offered
them
deferrals
in
the
past
and
asked
whether
they
needed
a
deferral,
because
we
made
that
blanket
agreement
that
anybody
who
needs
a
deferral.
We
would
consider
that,
and
actually
the
ira
approved
that
so
it's
just
a
matter
of
asking
for
it
and
it
will
be
granted
a
a
discount
or
a
you
know.
E
A
waiver
of
the
rent
is
a
little
more
it's
more
complicated
because
we
again,
if
you
remember
the
agency,
leases
this
property
from
the
city
and
and
then
we
sublease
it
to
the
farmers
market
and
the
and
the
rents
received
flow
to
the
city.
So
they
need
to
probably
be
brought
into
that
discussion.
If
there's
a
a
waiver,
for
you
know
a
period
of
time
to
recognize
hardship
or
something
like
that,
we
certainly
want
to
keep
them
as
a
healthy
economic
engine
and
activity
engine
for
the
city.
E
C
E
They've
they've
been
pre,
I
mean
they're,
they
were,
many
of
them
were
on
a
deferral
schedule
through
october,
so
you
know
we
may
not,
may
see
a
request
continue.
You
know
a
new
request
coming
in
you
know
if
they
are
unable
to
ramp
up
their
business.
Many
have
figured
out
some
solutions
like
the
rook
has
been
able
to
figure
out
solutions
for
generating
revenue
at
a
restaurant,
but
you
know
that
well,
it
remains
to
be
seen.
We
know
that
the
sinapolis
and
you
know
is
still
closed.
E
So
that's
an
issue
that
is
going
to
continue
for
a
while.
Likewise
cultivary
has
has
been
in
negotiations
with
their
landlord.
There
may
be
some.
You
know
additional
requests
coming
coming
from
that
that
side
as
well.
E
C
Okay,
any
other
questions
for
nells
on
the
financials
yeah.
I
think
you
have
a
couple
of
other
staff
updates,
yeah.
E
Yeah
we
got
several
different
things
to
update
you
on.
You
can
tell
me
to
stop
or
speed
up
if
you
want
to
that.
One
isn't
all
this
is
in
your
package,
so
one
is
the
summary
of
the
ira's
response
to
kova
19
and
how
the
agency
is
recommended
in
the
city
has
agreed
to
expend
funds
so
far
receive
to
address
cover
19.
you
can
see
the
focus
was
on
early
small
business
assistance
working
capital.
That
charles
worked
on
a
lot
and
provided
a
lot
of
assistance.
E
Then
we
move
to
the
rental,
emergency
rental
assistance
and
then,
most
recently
it's
been
kind
of
child
care,
focused
immediate
needs
and
homeless
assistant.
You
know
it's
programs
that
assist
the
homeless
population,
so
we
still
have
about
38
000
left
to
deploy
to
the
highest.
You
know,
emerging
needs
has
come
forward.
That's
important
to
keep
in
mind
and
supposedly
the
cdbg
is
supposed
to
provide.
E
Another
tranche
of
funding
of
equal
amount
is
the
first
one
we
received,
which
provided
three
hundred
and
twenty
thousand
dollars
of
pro
project
activity,
but
hud
has
up
to
two
years
to
decide
when
they
want
to
disburse
that
fund.
So
and
they
could
be,
they
could
modify
the
formula.
So
it's
not
something
we
can
count
on,
but
there
is
more
carriers
money
available
that
they
haven't
allocated
under
the
cdbg
category.
C
E
E
Yeah
right,
this
is
something
the
city
has
been
encouraging
for
a
long
time
to
have
a
better
utilization
of
that
site
than
the
maintenance
facility,
and
this
is
you
know
where
everybody's
interested
interested
to
see.
What's
gonna
happen
on
september
15th,
because
that's
when
the
auction
occurs
and
see
who
comes
forward
with
the
highest
bid
or
if
or
maybe
you
know,
maybe
there's
nobody
who
bids
2.8
million
we'll
have
to
see,
but
it
it's
a
good
opportunity
and
we've
we've
been
encouraging
anybody
who
come
we've
decided
internally.
E
Anybody
who
asks
about
zoning
questions
or
ask
city
input
is
we're
going
to
make
sure
that
they
connect
with
the
farmer's
market
to
see
if
there's
some
collaboration
opportunities
there
and
also
make
sure
they're
aware
of
the
feasibility
study
that
was
done
in
2016,
which
did
analysis
of
the
soils,
environmental
analysis
and
looked
at
feasible
development
patterns
for
that
site.
So
they
could
get
a
lot
of
good
information
if
they
asked
the
right
questions
so
we'll
see
where
it
goes.
E
I
don't
know
how
they
came
up
with
that
minimum.
They
didn't
consult
with
us
on
that.
We
know
that
they
offered
to
sell
it
to
the
city
for
a
much
higher
price
and
we
said
that's
way
too
high.
You
know
I
can't
remember.
I
think
it
was
around
seven
or
eight
million,
and
we
said
I
don't
think
it's
you
know
we
could
turn
that
around
and
and
then
we'd
have
to
manage
how
to
offer
it
for
sale,
and
it
would
be
a
long,
drawn-out
process.
E
This
will
be
quicker,
but
because
they're
saying
basically
it's
the
property
is
a
through
auction
available
for
sale,
as
is
you've
got
to
close
within.
I
can't
remember
20
days
or
something
like
that.
Otherwise
you
lose
your
10
deposit.
So
there
should.
You
know
there
should
be
a
transfer
or
conveyance
of
property
in
the
near
term
on
this,
unless
nobody
comes
forward
tough
time
to
go
for
an
auction.
Maybe
but
yeah
we'll
see
what.
E
B
Yeah
that
would
be
neat
to
see
that
it's
developed
as
not
luxury
housing,
but
normal
people,
housing
and
you
know
some
shops
and
some
essential
services
and
businesses
in
the
area.
You
know
that
would
be
really
fun,
but
that's
kind
of
not
the
way.
Things
seem
to
go
these
days.
E
The
minimum
sales
price
number
is
not
that
different
from
the
price
that
I
inhs
had
to
pay
to
acquire
immaculate
conception.
So
it's
not
out
of
the
realm
that
somebody
could
propose
a
low-income
housing,
tax
credit
project
or
a
mixed
income.
You
know
a
mix
of
affordable
and
market
rate,
but
it
would
take
the
right
kind
of
developer
and
maybe
that's.
E
Join
the
club
join
the
club
anyway,
just
so,
you
know
buddy,
you
can
shop
it
around
to
your
friends.
The
other
thing
I
wanted
to
make
you
aware
of
is
that
the
city's
launched
a
new
anchor
storefront
business
loan
program.
This
is
a
program
aimed
at
trying
to
help
some
of
those
existing
retail
and
food
based
businesses
that
everybody
is
familiar
with
they've
been
long
time,
businesses
in
the
community
and
trying
to
provide
some
assistance
to
help
them
get
get
back
up
and
started.
E
The
loans
are
for
working
capital
at
eight
to
eight
thousand
to
fifty
thousand
dollars
on
a
basis
that
would
provide
interest
only
payments
for
the
first
year
and
an
interest
rate
of
1.25
so
pretty
attractive
terms
if
you're
speaking,
loan
financing
still
alone,
though
so
that
could
be
a
problem
for
some
they're,
not
looking
for
significant
collateral.
They
understand
that
this
would
be
part
of
a
work.
You
know
part
of
a
larger
loan
application.
You
know
part
of
a
a
package
of
financing
for
many
businesses
that
would
already
have
existing
debt.
E
The
community
foundation
is
a
big
player
in
terms
of
providing
the
funding
tom
knight,
the
director
of
economic
development
reached
out
to
a
number
of
parties,
and
I
think,
there's
more
than
one.
But
I
know
the
community
foundation
was
a
big
player
in
this.
E
E
You
know
in
an
established
business
location
in
the
city,
I've
got
to
be
a
retail
food
or
beverage,
and
you-
and
if
you're,
I
think,
they're
looking
for
businesses
that
have
been
in
operation
for
several
years.
You
know
it's
not
a
new
startup
model.
It's
for
existing
businesses.
That
will,
you
know
just
need
help
getting
back
on
board
back
on
in
profitability
and
need
maybe
to
make
some
adjustments
to
adjust
to
the
new
realities
physically
or
just
on
a
working
capital
basis.
E
B
For
watching
possible
footprint
is
a
traffic
generator.
That's
that's
a
sort
of
fuzzy
one.
How
do
you
prove
you
know
has
been
in
business
five
plus
years
interesting.
E
Yeah,
they
worked
hard
to
figure
out
how
to
to
shape
this,
and
I
think
that
they
they're
gonna.
They
have
a
review
group
that
can
interpret
these
definitions.
I
think
they
wanted
to
keep
them
a
little
bit
flexible,
but
give
some
guidance,
because
you
can't
anticipate
every
situation,
and
so
they
want
to
make
sure
that
they're
open.
You
know
that
they
don't
eliminate
somebody
who
they
really
think
fits
the
model
for
the
training.
E
I
did
want
to
let
you
know.
There
also
was
another
program
that
afcu
and
the
small
business
administration
have
received
a
grant
from
the
appalachian
regional
commission
for
the
seed
business
assistance
program.
That's
a
modeled
after
a
successful
program
in
albany,
they
got
grant
funding
to
start
the
same
similar
program
here.
E
Tom
knight
has
been
very
active
in
that
one
as
well,
and
that
idea
there
is
really
a
job
entrepreneur
focus,
not
you
don't
have
to
be
an
entrepreneur,
but
it's
a
focus
on
entrepreneurship
and
then
it's
providing
loan
assistance
based
on
a
character
analysis,
not
a
collateral
analysis.
So
people
have
good
ideas
and
a
good
business
plan
they're
willing
to
take
the
risk.
Ifcu
is
providing
the
capital
for
those
loans
and
arc
appalachian
regional
commissions,
providing
some
direct
cash
to
operate
the
program.
E
E
So
they're
they're
they're
going
to
begin
the
marketing
of
recruitment
process
of
trying
just
they're
trying
to
figure
out
if
they
can
get
something
going,
this
fall
or
they
really
want
to
just
start
it
up
in
january
and
get
it
all
worked
out.
They
hadn't
anticipated
a
remote
approach
and
that's
where
they
would
be
right
now,
so
we'll
see
where
that
goes.
But
that's
a
very
exciting
program
to
try
to
you
know,
provide
some
opportunities
and
grow
some
businesses
locally.
E
You
also
should
have
in
your
packet
or
maybe
some
separately,
the
the
idea
workforce
housing
policy
that
we
discussed
already.
E
It's
a
big
change
for
them
to
adopt
that
so
just
want
to
make
sure
you're
aware
of
that
policy
and
can
see
it
in
writing
in
case
you
want
to
reference
it
and
then
the
final
piece
of
information
before
I
look
at
the
materials
that
were
added
to
the
end
of
your
packet
is
the
restore
new
york,
grant
the
grant
disbursement
agreement
for
john
guttridge's
press
bay
court
and
for
teresa
halpert's
redevelopment
of
the
pr
of
the
house,
the
historic
house
next
to
the
red,
the
red
cross,
not
the
red
cross,
salvation
army
site
has
finally
been
approved
by
the
state,
so
we're
now
in
a
position
to
submit
expenses
for
those
projects
for
reimbursement.
E
That's
a
million
dollar
award.
So
it's
really
important
that
we
can
provide
that
funding
assistance
for
those
very,
very
fine
projects
and
they
were
been
waiting
a
long
time
for
that
grant
disbursement
agreement
to
get
executed
from
the
state,
so
that
should
be
able
to
move
forward.
If
you
hear
any
complaints
about
about
where's
the
money,
it's
finally
going
to
be
able
to
be
available
for
application.
E
The
final
thing
I
had
in
the
package
under
a
staff
report
was,
I,
provided
you
with
the
history
of
the
inlet
island,
urban
renewal
site
and
the
the
hoary
history
of
it.
Essentially
we're
at
a
situation
where
we,
the
agency
and
the
city,
designated
a
preferred
developer
or
a
sponsor
for
the
redevelopment
of
that
site
negotiated
a
preferred
developer
agreement,
which
we
would
now
call
a
disposition
and
development
agreement
and
brought
it
to
common
council
for
endorsement,
and
the
common
council
chose
not
to
endorse
it.
E
So
we
ended
up
in
a
situation
where
we
have
a
designated
preferred
developer,
but
no
project
to
go
with
it,
and
it's
been
the
expectation
that
that
developer
would
come
back.
You
know
after
the
fact
and
come
up
with
a
revised
proposal
and
that
preferred
developer
is
stephen
flasch,
who
is
co-owner
of
the
boatyard
grill,
as
well
as
the
marina
building
next
door
to
it
and
and
operating
those
kind
of
marina
functions.
E
E
So
you
know
they
know
each
other
and
they've
talked
a
little
bit,
but
I
don't
think
they've
found
common
ground
yet
between
their
two
visions,
steve
flash
was
was
part
of
the
development
team
that
built
those
new
three-story
units
on
inlet
island
if
you're
familiar
with
those
those
kind
of
connected
town
houses
and
the
vision
that
he
explained
was
at
one
time
if
they
work
well,
there
he'd
like
to
explore
a
variation
of
the
project
on
the
urban
renewal
site,
which
would
involve
kind
of
a
first
story,
efficiency,
size
unit
that
could
be
a
business
location
or
an
affordable
housing
component
and
then
housing
above
a
two-story
housing
or
something
like
that,
and
so
I
think
they're
testing
the
market
with
the
project
they
have
on
the
canal
side
and
wanted
to
see
whether
they,
whether
that
would
be
a
a
model
for
part
of
a
mixed
use
project
for
the
urban
renewal
site.
E
So
that's
been
kind
of
the
thinking,
thoughts
that
that
steve
flash
has
shared
with
us.
We
now
have
a
new
developer
who's
got
interest
in
it
and
we're
kind
of
in
a
kind
of
a
strange
position
where
we
have
a
one
preferred
developer,
who
doesn't
have
a
project?
That's
ready
to
present
forward
to
us
at
least
not
to
my
knowledge
and
another
developer,
who's
indicating
interest.
E
So
my
thought
was
to
just
you
know,
discuss
this
with
you
and
get
your
sense
of
how
you
what
you
think
is
the
best
way
to
proceed,
but
I
I
think
one
way
to
go
forward
is
to
communicate
with
steve
flash
and
say
you
know
we
have
interest
in
the
project.
E
Do
you
still
have
a
project
going
forward
and
and
what
is
it
and
you
know
we
could
consider
that
or
we
could
open
it
up
for
multiple
sponsors
and
say
we're
looking
forward
for
the
best
project
you
know
on
this
site,
even
though
you
had
preferred
developer
status,
that
was
2007,
you've
had
13
years
to
deliver
and
it
hasn't,
you
know,
hasn't
changed.
Having
said
that,
though,
you
should
be
recognized
that
steve
flash
controls
quite
a
bit
of
real
estate
on
this
project
site
and
it's
a
pretty
narrow
island.
B
E
I
don't
know
what
the
word
is:
coordinated
development
with
the
existing
uses
and
the
new
uses,
and
so
most
of
the
existing
uses
are
have
steve
flash
as
an
owner
or
co-owner.
So
you
know
it
would
we
wouldn't
want
to
end
up
with
a
scenario
where
we
have
to
of
parking
for
the
bullier
grill
separately
for
parking
for
a
new
project
or
something
because
there's
just
not
enough
real
estate
out
there
to
meet
to
provide
individual
parking
for
every
separate
use
shared
parking
to
make
it
work.
B
Is
the
parking
for
the
grill?
Is
that
considered
on
public
like
street
parking,
or
is
that
actually
his
property,
where
his
patrons
for
the
grill
park.
E
A
property
line
or
that
the
public
private
property
line
runs
at
an
angle
through
the
parking
lot,
so
part
of
it
is
public
and
part
of
it
is
private
and
there
are
signs
out
there
that
says
it's
public
parking
available
for
public
use,
but
it
also
is
being
used
by
their
customers.
You
know
primarily
by
their
customers,
because
there
isn't
other
other
uses
out
there,
but
that's
a
shared
kind
of
scenario.
E
E
The
city
has
committed
to
provide
80
parking
spaces
on
the
island
for
public
use,
so
where
you
know
so,
a
portion
of
that
development
site
is
reserved
for
public
parking
that
is
required
for
the
existing
uses
on
the
island,
like
the
fitness
club
and
those
kind
of
uses,
and
it
would
that
could
also
provide
parking
for
any
new
development
as
well
as
long
as
they
had
different
demand
times.
E
E
No
well,
we
do
have
an
agreement
with
existing
businesses
that
they
paid
they
paid
10
years
ago.
It's
probably
increased
by
cpi
twenty
thousand
dollars
a
year
to
the
city.
To
so
that
the
city
will
not
meter
the
public
parking
lot,
just
north
of
the
bridge.
So.
E
Was
gonna
meter
it
and
they
said
you
know
they
said
well
what,
where
what
would
it
take
for
the
city
not
to
meter
that,
because
we
don't
want
our
customers
to
have
to
pay
pay
parking,
we'll
pay
for
them
up
front.
So
there's
an
agreement
that
provides
and
that's
basically
for
the
about
80
parking
spaces-
is
the
minimum
that
well
it's
about
wickets
to
make
the
use
on
an
average
basis
when
it's
in
use
yeah.
E
E
It
has
no
expiration
date,
but
it
also
has
no.
You
know
we
can
rescind
it
whenever
we
want
to
now:
it's
not
it
doesn't
guarantee
it.
It's
going
to
last
forever
the
the
regulations
of
the
state
and
the
you
know
the
laws
of
urban
renewal
allow
us
to
create
multiple
sponsors,
and
typically,
we
go
through
a
process
where
we'll
designate
sponsors
and
then
we'll
give
them
kind
of
private
control
through
an
exclusive
negotiation
agreement.
Time
period,
where
we'll
say
we
will
not
negotiate
with
anybody
else,
we've
never
done
that
for
steve
flash.
E
However,
the
resolutions
that
were
adopted
in
2006
did
say
he
was
the
preferred
developer,
not
a
preferred
developer,
and
that
was
endorsed
by
common
council.
So
you
could
make
an
argument
that
he
was
viewed
as
a
a
a
sole
preferred
developer
for
that
time
period.
I
think
when
the
preferred
developer
agreement
was
not
endorsed
by
common
council.
E
I
think
that
changed
a
lot
of
views
and
I
would
interpret
that,
but
to
avoid
that
concern
we
could
give
him
the
opportunity
to
present
a
revised
plan
and
if
he
doesn't
have
something
in
a
reasonable
period
of
time,
then
you
know
that
would
make
its
own
case
for
opening
it
up.
C
E
E
E
He
was
well
no,
I
yeah
there's
no
preferred
developer
agreement.
There
is
a
designation
identifying
steve
flash
as
the
preferred
develop.
E
You
know,
as
a
designation
of
of.
Among
you
know,
there
were
three
proposals
that
were
we
did
an
rfp.
There
were
three
proposals
that
came
in
steve.
Flash
was
chosen
as
the
upper
for
a
developer
through
that
selection
process.
E
C
Right,
that's
what
I'm
guessing,
I'm
saying
right
so
to
the
extent
that
there's
no
preferred
developer
agreement,
because
it
was
never
approved
by
common
council
and
therefore
never
executed
by
the
ira
chair,
which
I
assume
was
the
mayor
at
the
time
right
then
it's
nothing.
That
might
be
my
view
of
it.
That
doesn't
mean
we
shouldn't
carefully
like
make
sure
that
he
doesn't
like
you
know
if
he
has
a
proposal,
we'd
love
to
hear
it
right.
E
Right-
and
he
has-
he
has
mentioned
ideas
in
the
past
so
but
he
hasn't
been
urged
by
any
deadline.
I
guess
is
the
issue.
E
E
Yeah
well,
unfortunately,
a
half
acre
of
this
site
is
got
gross
petroleum
contamination
from
its
historic
bulk
fuel
storage
use
back
40
years
ago,
but
but
still
waterfront.
E
Prep,
I
will
say:
we've
learned
to
be
a
little
better
and
set
set
timelines
on
our
agreements
that
we
didn't
have
the
sense
to
do
back
in
2006
and
seven.
D
C
Okay,
do
you
feel,
like
you
have
enough
from
us.
E
Well,
I'm
hearing
that
there's
no
opposition
to
reaching
out
to
steve
flash
and
suggesting
that
letting
him
know
there's
other
interest
in
it
and
that
we're
interested
to
know.
If
he's
got
a
project
and
you
know
and
a
timeline,
you
know
for
bringing
us
a
proposal
or
or
make
him
aware
that
you
know
we're
discussing
the
issue,
and
you
know
sooner
or
later
we're
going
to
get
a
developer
interest
and
we're
going
to
want
to
be
able
to
make
some
decisions
about
that
property.
C
E
Never
directly,
there's
been
some
queries
here
and
there
some
of
the
issues
are
that
one
of
the
sites
does
have
you
know
environmental
contamination
and
another
one
is
the
coast
guard
auxiliary.
Building
that
is
was
contentious
in
terms
of
acquisition,
because
there
was
a
view
by
some
that
it
was
dislocating.
The
coast
guard
auxiliary
boating
education
programs.
E
So
there
were,
you
know
the
city
as
if
you
read
through
the
preferred
developer
agreement,
the
city's
obligation
was
to
acquire
that
property.
We
never
acquired
it,
that's
still
owned
by
the
state.
So
you
know
there
were
a
few
things
on
both
sides.
I
never
got
completed
in
that
analysis,
but
I
believe
that
those
properties
are
still
available.
You
know
for
requisition
under
the
right
circumstances.
E
I
forgot
to
mention
that
we
have
a
loan
application
from
the
owner
of
the
breathe
business
on
center.
Ithaca
is
working
on
a
project
to
acquire
an
adjacent
business
and
merge
them
together,
and
I've
just
submitted
that
to
our
underwriter.
So
when
you
mention
timeline,
I'm
we're
still
trying
to
figure
out
whether
the
underwriting
can
be
complete
by
september
8th,
which
is
our
next
second
tuesday
meeting
yep,
but
it
given
it's
a
holiday.
E
E
E
C
C
It's
kind
of
an
all
hands
effort.
I
guess
all
right
motion
to
adjourn.