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A
Okay,
so
hey
everyone
and
welcome
to
the
may
meeting
of
the
planning
and
economic
development
committee.
I
think
we'll
just
get
right
into
our
agenda.
The
first
item
is
agenda
review.
Are
there
any
proposed
changes
to
the
agenda?
I
don't
believe
I
heard
from
anyone.
A
D
E
Is
she
muted?
No,
I
am
here,
but
I
think
I
have
to
turn
off
my
my
youtube.
E
E
We
all
know
that
there
is
in
fact
a
rental
housing
emergency,
but
for
any,
but
for
any
but
high
income
people
and
some
of
the
best
connected
ones
in
the
city.
All
others
have
trouble
finding
places
they
can
afford.
E
Tonight,
pedc
can
begin
the
first
step
toward
opting
in
to
eepa,
which
would
stabilize
rents
for
apartments
in
buildings
of
six
units
or
more
and
built
before
1974..
There
are
likely
nine
hundred
such
units
in
the
city.
Is
this
the
approach
to
creating
more
affordable
housing
that
we
would
design
if
we
had
our
druthers,
of
course
not?
But
it
is
what
new
york
state
offers
to
us
right
now.
This
first
step
is
to
commission
a
vacancy
survey
of
eligible
units
tomorrow
at
6
pm.
E
A
Thanks
theresa
and
next
up
is
monica
roth.
F
Hi
good
evening,
sorry,
I
was
having
technical
issues
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
get
here,
but
I'm
here,
I'm
speaking
as
the
chair
of
the
parks
commission.
Our
commission
didn't
meet
this
last
month,
but
we
have
been
meeting
since
december
after
a
year
a
covert
year
of
a
break
in
2019.
F
At
the
end
of
the
year
we
were
presented
with
the
two
art
in
park,
proposals
that
were
one
was
for
well
anyhow,
I
can't
remember
the
name
of
the
park
now.
Anyhow,
those
were
brought
to
our
attention
for
review
and
comment,
and
at
that
time
we
came.
We
commented
to
council
that
we
feel
that
it
was
important
to
have
a
set
of
criteria
for
reviewing
art
in
parks,
and
we
were
starting
to
work
on
that.
F
Does
it
enhance
the
experience
safety
all
of
those
concerns
without
having
criteria
to
address
those,
we
felt
that
we
should
first
have
a
policy
in
place
before
moving
forward
with
art
in
parks,
so
in
the
meantime,
covet
hit
everything
shut
down,
and
so
all
of
a
sudden,
we
are
informed
by
cynthia.
Thank
you
that
there
is
a
proposal
that
is
on
your
agenda
tonight,
which
we
did
not
know
about.
F
No
one
brought
it
to
us
at
all
and
for
the
skyrider
proposal,
that's
to
go
into
cass
park,
and
I
spoke
to
our
two
staff
involved
on
our
commission
and
jim
had
said
that
he
only
heard
about
it
a
week
ago.
F
So
it
seems,
like
staff
was
not
very
well
advance,
informed
that
they
could
have
brought
it
to
our
commission
either,
not
to
say
that
you
guys
can't
do
what
you
want
to
do
and
act
in
the
way
that
you
want
to
act,
but
I
thought
the
commissions
were
set
up
to
provide
input
on
things
like
this.
It's
a
community
project
and
has
impact
on
the
community.
F
We
felt
the
last
time
that
community
input
was
very
important
and
that
we
should
move
forward
with
the
process
where
community
input
is
sought
when
there
is
art
being
proposed,
especially
for
parks
and
especially
we're
not.
You
know,
we
feel,
there's
a
difference
between
cass
park
and
stuart
park,
but
certainly
neighborhood
parks,
and
I
think
probably
people
on
west
hill
feel
like
cass
park,
is
their
neighborhood
park
and
might
want
to
provide
some
input
there
too.
So
so
I
guess
the
the
biggest
issue.
F
Not
only
is
it
that
that
I'm
concerned
about
is
that
it
was
never
brought
to
our
commission.
No
one
was
ever
asked
to
be
part
of
a
community
committee
that
seems
to
have
been
meeting
for
a
year
and
no
one
was
really
even
brought
in
on
the
location
question.
F
You
know
in
the
parks
recently
which
that
decision
looks
like
it's
been
made
fairly
recently.
So
we
sort
of
feel
like
it's
important,
that
we
get
clarity.
F
Role
is,
as
commissions
we
feel
like:
we've
been
kind
of
ignored
for
a
year,
not
just
my
commission,
community
life
and
also
the
transportation
commission
has
has
asked
questions,
and
so
we
hope
that
we
get
some
clarity
that
we
can
move
forward
and
do
the
work
we
actually
have
had.
Since
we've
been
meeting
in
just
starting
in
december,
we've
drafted
a
art
in
parks
policy.
F
We
have
it
in
a
very
early
draft
stage,
but
it's
certainly
something
that
I
think
we'll
have
ready
to
present
to
council
in
or
to
present
to
your
your
committee
and
then
to
counsel.
It
may
be
a
couple
of
months.
I
just
sent
that
out.
I
worked
on
it
and
sent
it
out
to
our
commission
and
I
shared
it
with
cynthia.
So
three.
D
D
F
That's
the
that's
the
message
just
we
feel
like
there
needs
to
be
some
process
for
evaluating
art
and
parks.
Thank.
F
I
A
Okay,
so
is
there
any
response
from
the
committee.
B
Laura
yeah
two
things
we
did
receive
two
other
public
comment,
written
comments
and
one
was
from,
and
cynthia
can
summarize
this
as
well.
One
was
from
rick
manning
who
was
supportive
of
the
the
project
that
we'll
be
talking
about
tonight
in
the
art
in
the
park,
and
the
other
was
from
james
kerrigan,
who
is
expressing
interest
in
potential
purchase
of
215
cleveland
avenue.
So
I
just
wanted
to
make
mention
of
both
of
those
written
public
comments.
B
I
also
wanted
to
respond
to
monica
at
a
meeting
today
with
matcom
the
mobility
and
transportation,
commission
and
duckson,
and
I
are
the
two
council
liaisons
ducks
and
had
a
conflict,
but
I
did
attend
a
meeting
with
matcom
today
and
they
also
are
asking
questions
about
the
role
of
commissions
going
forward
how
to
recruit
new
members,
and
so
I
think
matcom
is
looking
for
clarification
similar
to
pruners.
F
And
we
have
talked
eric
and
I
have
talked
several
times
about
it.
A
Okay,
thanks
laura
was
there
another
cynthia.
Did
I
see
your
hand.
C
C
I
did
actually.
My
comment
is:
I
should
hold
off
until
we
discuss
it
later
on
in
the
agenda,
but
thank
you
for
the
two
speakers
who
came
to
speak
tonight.
I
appreciate
it.
A
C
I
Yeah
I
want
to
thank
monica
for
speaking
up.
I
hadn't
been
aware.
I
knew
that
pruner
was
meeting
or
trying
to
meet
rather
in
covid
time,
but
I
hadn't
been
aware
that
they
hadn't
been
involved
in
this
most
recent
decision.
So
I'm
glad
that
monica
spoke
up.
A
Yeah
I'll,
second,
that
I
think
you
know
I
think
it's.
We
went
through
a
lot
of
effort
to
set
up
these
commissions
and
I
think
it's
important
that
we
we
get
input
from
them
and
that
there'll
be
a
there's
a
process,
especially
for
approval
of
public
art
projects,
because
I
think
you
know
that
worked
relatively
smoothly.
I
thought
when
we
had
the
public
art
commission
and
you
know,
I
think
that
the
understanding
was
that
we
would
have
the
same
kind
of
process
with
pruner,
so
yeah.
A
F
Yeah
and
our
our
intention
is
not
to
approve,
you
know,
be
improving
art
everywhere,
we're
just
concerned
about
art
in
parks
and
the
appropriateness
of
art
in
parks.
Okay,.
F
A
A
Thank
you.
Next
up,
we
do.
We
have
two
public
hearings.
The
first
is
on
the
2021
hud
action
plan.
Is
there
a
motion
to
open
the
public
hearing?
That's
moved
by
laura
seconded
by
steve
all
in
favor
of
opening
the
public
hearing
and
that
carries
unanimously.
A
J
A
The
public
hearing
moved
by
laura
seconded
by
donna
all
in
favor,
carries
unanimously.
I'm
guessing.
There's
no
one
here
to
speak
on
this
topic,
seeing
none
I'll
look
for
a
motion
to
close
the
public
hearing,
move
by
donna
seconded
by
laura
all
in
favor
of
closing
the
public
hearing
and
that
carries
unanimously.
A
A
B
Thank
you
put
myself
on
mute,
not
to
interfere
with
other
people
and
then
forget
to
unmute.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Nells
a
few
of
us
met
on
may
11th
at
the
ithaca
falls,
and
we
met
with
representatives
from
epa
and
dec.
B
What
is
being
proposed
is
in
response
to
soil
samples
that
still
confirm
the
elevated
levels
of
lead
and
arsenic
remaining
in
the
cliff
face
and
continue
to
impact
the
fall
creek
natural
area
below
what
is
being
proposed
is
that
the
epa
will
install
a
containment
barrier
at
the
base
of
the
cliff
within
the
fall
creek
natural
area
so
adjacent
to
the
trail.
That
leads
up
to
the
the
falls
itself.
B
Epa
has
removed
a
large
quantity
of
contaminated
soil
and
debris,
and
it
is
evident
that
more
remains
in
the
cliff
face,
and
so
the
concern
is
to
put
a
barrier
that
will
be
made
of
large,
limestone,
rectangular
blocks
and
a
chain
fencing
that
will
be
installed
to
provide
additional
controls,
in
addition
to
signs
that
are
posted
currently
and
will
continue
to
be
posted
that
inform
the
public
of
the
potential
hazard
associated
with
lead
and
arsenic.
B
What
we
heard
on
may
11th
is
that
the
path
itself
leading
up
to
the
falls
has
been
tested
and
is
not
showing
amounts
of
lead
in
those
samples
and
the
testing.
I
believe
in
nels
jump
in,
if
I
don't
have
this
correctly,
but
there
was
testing
done
in
march
2020
and
again
in
march
2021
and
the
samples
were
below
the
amount
that
would
lead
to
some
concern
or
any
elevated
presence
of
lead
or
arsenic,
at
least
in
the
trail
leading
up
to
the
falls.
B
And
what
I
also
recall
is
that
they
were
not
nominally
below
the
400
parts
per
million,
but
they
were
significantly
below
those
levels.
So
it
wasn't
as
though
it
was
close,
but
the
indication
was
that
it
was
well
below
those
those
levels.
Is
that
correct.
K
B
So
the
concern
and
the
desire
is
to
protect
the
cliff
face
and
protect
people
from
climbing
or
walking
any
closer
to
the
cliff
face,
but
instead
to
remain
on
the
trail.
So
the
epa
is
working
in
coordination
with
the
dec
new
york
state
health
department
and
the
city
continues
to
post
public
warning
signs.
B
The
dec
has
agreed
to
assume
future
responsibilities
related
to
the
contaminated
cliff
face
and
they
will
be
doing
testings
at
least
once
a
year,
and
the
work
is
expected
to
begin
in
mid-may.
K
They
will
first
remove
all
the
scree
and
debris
that
is
accumulated
at
the
bottom
of
the
cliff
face,
and
then
they
will
move
to
install
the
sediment
control
barrier,
the
blocks
which
will
have
sediment
socks
or
those
those
kind
of
tubes
behind
it
to
filter
out
and
those
those
tubes
are
designed
to
both
filter
out
metals
in
that
are
in
the
soil,
as
well
as
dissolved
metals.
K
So
those
will
be
an
important
feature
to
keep
to
maintain
over
time.
B
We
had
quite
a
I
thought,
productive
discussion
about
the
the
barriers.
There
was
some
concern.
Cynthia
was
there.
She
also
raised
concern
about
the
potential
for
kids
in
particular,
to
be
climbing
on
the
rocks.
B
So
we
talked
about
if
the
rocks-
and
these
are
significant-
you
know-
one
thousand
pound
rectangular
limestone
blocks
would
be,
in
fact
located
behind
a
fencing
with
the
the
intention
that
the
fencing
would
be
a
barrier
and
the
rocks
would
be
an
additional
barrier,
but
families
for,
for
example,
with
kids
walking
in
the
area
would
be
paying
attention
to
the
fencing
end
and
then
to
to
the
rocks.
I
see
donna
has
a
question.
I
If
we
stay
on
the
trail
and
don't
eat
the
dirt,
I
I
know
the
risk
of
of
lead
ingestion,
so
I
I'm
afraid
I
don't
understand
what
the
risk
to
the
visitor
is
from
there
being
led
and
arsenic
in
the
cliff.
I
L
B
It
is
only
going
beyond
the
barriers
that
will
be
erected
closest
to
the
cliff
face
where
there
would
be
concern
of
of
any
exposure.
K
If
you
were
to
stay
on
the
trail,
you
you
would
you
wouldn't
be
in
an
area
that
we've
measured
any
higher
levels
of
lead.
However,
it
is
an
active
erosion
cliff
and
it's
you
know,
erosion's
occurring
every
day
there,
essentially
so
there's
a
possibility.
Some
sediments
could
fall
down
to
the
base
and
roll
into
the
trail.
That's
a
possibility.
K
I
mean
you
know
you:
can
they
were
they
that
dc
and
epa
talked
about
controlling?
You
know
worries
about
your
dog
tracking
it
into
the
house,
your
shoes.
It
could
be
on
your
shoes
if
it
were
dust
and
brought
into
your
house
and
then
your
pet
could
could
have
in
contact
with
it
and
your
hand,
could
pet.
You
know
you
could
pet
the
dog,
and
then
it
goes
in
your
mouth.
I
mean
those
it
is.
C
So
by
being
able
to
contain
it
behind
a
big
rock
wall,
I
think
is
very
important
and
during
our
conversation
our
concern
was
that
the
wall
itself
not
be
a
play
area
for
the
kids,
who
will
then
want
to
walk
on
the
wall
and
sit
on
the
wall
and
put
toys
on
the
wall
and
and
any
kind
of
dust
that
would
then
accumulate
on
the
top
of
the
wall.
B
A
Great
any
other
questions
comments
on
this
okay,
so
next
up
is
an
update
on
the
greenfield
garage
project
and
the
conference
center.
K
Okay,
tom
nape
is
joining
me
here,
and
so
we
can
give
you
an
update
and
answer
questions
about
the
conference
center
and
the
status
ed's
schedule.
The
good
news
is
things
are
moving
forward.
You
may
not
recall
when
you
approved
the
disposition
and
development
agreements
with
the
two
different
developers
for
the
green
street
garage
that
there
were
myriad
number
of
contingencies
that
we
that
had
to
be
satisfied
before
the
city
would
be
prepared
to
convey
ownership
to
the
developers
and
that's
what
we've
been
working
on
all
those
contingencies
for
the
last.
K
I
guess
since
january,
in
one
case
since
february,
in
another
case
in
terms
of
the
projects
for
steering
the
main
issues
to
resolve,
was
getting
a
construction
cost.
That
was
within
range
of
the
original
projections
that
has
now
been
accomplished.
K
Secondly,
was
securing
industrial
development
agency
approval
for
the
incentives,
including
a
payment
in
lieu
of
taxes
at
zero
for
the
city
to
be
leased,
parking
garage
and
then
the
enactment
of
the
city
room
tax,
which
has
occurred
beginning
april
1st
and
finally,
and
and
the
most
recently
to
be
resolved
issue,
is
the
lease
between
the
conference
center
and
the
senate.
The
lease
agreement,
the
terms
the
rent,
so
those
things
have
all
now
been
accomplished
in
in
principle
and
we're
on
schedule
to
go
for
the
bond
closing.
K
K
With
a
closing
on
the
residential
loan
to
vesino
for
the
affordable
housing
181
units
on
june
30th,
so
we
expect
that
all
the
fund
and
financing
will
be
in
place
by
june
30th
and
mobilization
on
the
project
can
begin
as
soon
thereafter
as
the
developer
can
get
moving
first
week
of
july.
K
So
that's
that's
really
good
news
that
everything
has
really
come
together
for
the
most
part.
In
that
project,
we've
experienced
some
higher
cost
than
anticipated,
just
like
any
project
and
there's
a
worry
about
that
price
escalation
on
materials
as
we
go
forward
as
well,
but
it
seems
that
there's
been
a
lot
of
research
and
a
lot
of
emphasis
on
trying
to
control
those
costs,
and
we
think
that
we're
in
a
reasonable
position
on
on
that
project.
So
that's
the
update
on
the
exterior
side.
K
The
other
development
is
the
ithacan
project
on
the
eastern
side
of
the
green
street.
Garage
jeffrey
rimland
has
been
a
spokesperson
on
that
project.
They
similar
had
financing.
You
know
they
had
to
secure
their
financing
through
a
bank
and
they
also
went
through
the
ida
for
incentives
for
their
project
again.
K
The
idea
has
has
great
graciously
allowed
the
parking
portion
which
will
be
leased
back
to
the
city
to
have
a
zero
taxable
basis,
even
though
it's
privately
owned
and
not
publicly
owned
and
and
the
main
issue
really
on
that
project
has
been
negotiating
the
lease
agreement
between
the
city
and
the
developer
and
finding
terms
that
are
acceptable.
K
M
I
think
you
did
a
great
job
now.
The
only
thing
I
might
add,
as
an
update,
is
that
the
conference
center
team
has
is
close
to
finalizing
a
contract
with
a
third
party
operator,
they've
selected,
asm
global
as
the
third
party
operator,
and
all
reports
are
that
you
know
we're
lucky
to
have
them.
M
They're
the
they're
top-notch
they're
the
best
game
around
and
they
have
really
been
helping
us
even
before
we
go
on
the
contract
with
them
in
reviewing
the
designs
for
the
compton
conference
center
and
making
recommendations
for
changes
and
then
working
with
both
facino
and
the
conference
center
group
on
approval
of
those
changes
to
optimize
the
operations
and
the
performance
of
the
conference
center.
M
So
it's
been
really
good
to
have
them
at
the
table
over
these
last
couple
months,
and
you
know
overall,
the
the
team
that's
working
on
the
conference
center
is
working
really
well
together,
and
you
know,
we've
there's
been
a
lot
of
agreements
that
have
had
to
been.
You
know:
finalized,
negotiated
lots
of
teas
to
cross
and
eyes
to
dot,
and
you
know
it's
a
it's.
It's
proven
that
the
partnership
that
was
developed
has
proven
to
really
be
a
strong
one.
People
are
working
well
together.
A
Thanks
tom
looks
like
laura,
has
a
question.
B
Thanks
tom,
that's
great
news
and
I
know
you've
been
working
incredibly
hard
on
this.
So
thank
you.
Thank
you.
I
do
have
a
question
for
fornells
about
the
eastern
side
and
specifically
around
the
ithaca
college.
B
Physician
assistant
program
is
my
understanding
correct
that
ithaca
college
is
hoping
that
that
program
in
that
space
will
be
open
in
fall.
2021.
K
B
Okay,
so
it's
not
affected
by
the
ithacan
development.
K
B
G
A
Yeah
appreciate
you
providing
the
information
tonight.
A
Next
up
is
a
update
on
the
inlet
island
proposals
and
nells.
Is
that
you
also.
K
Graham
again,
yes
right
right,
the
ithaca
urban
renewal
agency's
economic
development
committee
has
been
reviewing
responses
to
the
request
for
expressions
of
interest.
Again.
These
are
city
and
ira
owned
lands
on
inlet
island,
a
little
little
under
three
acres
of
a
potentially
available
development
area
on
the
island.
K
There
were
three
proposals
received,
and
we
we
held
a
meeting
at
the
economic
development
committee
meeting
last
month,
where
they
provided
presentations
of
the
project
to
flesh
out
their
written
proposals
and
they're
all
very
intriguing,
and
they
all
feature
below
below
market
rate
housing,
as
well
as
a
myriad
of
of
of
other
uses
as
well.
K
The
goal
of
the
economic
development
community
is
to
rate
and
rank
them
at
their
next
meeting,
which
is
june
8th
and
bring
that
recommendation
forward
to
the
ithaca
urban
renewal
agency
on
june
24th
with
a
and
then
advance
that
to
the
pedc
committee
in
july
that
that
that's
the
preferred
schedule
it
could,
if
there's
some
glitches
there,
it
could
take
an
extra
month.
But
that's
what
they're
working
on
and
again
the
ed.
K
The
ira
is
considering
these
proposals
to
see
whether
these
conceptual
proposals,
whether
they
have
enough
support
to
advance
to
to
bring
them
forward
to
the
planning
economic
development
committee
or
whether
none
of
them,
you
know,
rise
to
a
high
enough
level
that
the
agency
feels
it's
better
than
than
the
current
situation
or
or
at
least
not
good
enough
to
pursue
a
pretty
elongated
process
having
working
through
the
green
street
garage.
We
know
it
is
elongated
process
to
go
through
this.
K
So
that's
that's.
The
schedule
is
to
try
to
bring
something
to
the
pedc
or
as
a
recommendation
in
july
and
again
that
will
be
at
a
conceptual
level,
we're
not
looking
to
drill
down
to
the
exact
development
project
because
we're
trying
to
make
sure
that
we're
not
wasting
the
common
council's
time
nor
the
developer's
time,
if
there's
not
buy-in
to
the
conceptual
proposal
and
so
there'll,
be
an
effort
to
seek
a
soft
commitment
from
the
common
council
to
proceed
with
the
project.
K
If
the
recommendation
is
is
to
recommend
one
but
we're
not
looking
for
final
decisions
and
that's
the
understanding
that
the
proposed
proposals
have
for
this
project.
But
we're
very
fortunate,
I
think,
to
have
three
really
strong
proposals
be
received
for
the
island.
I
think
you'll
find
it
very
interesting.
C
Thank
you,
and
I
I
appreciate
both
the
summary
and
and
the
way
forward.
So
am
I
understanding
you
correctly
that
what
the
iura
is
looking
for
is
comments
about
the
aspects
that
people
would
like
to
see
on
the
island?
Not
necessarily
I
like
this
proposal,
and
I
don't
like
that
proposal
is
so
are
you
are
people
to
comment
on
the
proposals
themselves
or
to
comment
on?
This
is
what
I
would
like
to
see
in
general.
I
would
like
to
see
you
know.
Xyz.
K
Yeah
well,
the
the
committee
is
going
to
be
trying
to
rate
the
projects
and
rank
rank
them.
So
in
that
regard,
anything
that
helps
them.
You
know
in
that
process
is
is
going
to
be
helpful.
I
think
it's
always
difficult
to
look
at
wishes,
because
we
have
to
have
a
developer,
that
that
can
fulfill
the
those
wishes
and
it
has
to
be
financially
feasible
to
go
forward.
K
So
I
think
those
comments
about
whether
the
projects
fall
short
or
could
in
incorporate
additional
elements
are
certainly
welcome,
but
again
they're
going
to
be
ranking
these
three
projects,
as
they've
been
proposed
or
as
whether
you
know
basically
as
a
proposed
as
conceptual
projects,
think
they
can
evolve.
But
I
think
there
is
a
a
core
development
plan
here.
G
N
H
Thank
you
great,
laura.
B
Yeah
I'll
I'll
just
add
that
this
inlet
island
is
yet
another
really
unique
site,
unique
in
the
sense
that
it
includes
city
if
I've
got
this
right
and
so
nels
can
check
me,
but
it
includes
city-owned
land,
which
is
the
largest
portion
of
the
island,
some
state
land,
which
is
at
the
very
tip
of
the
island
and
some
private
land.
So
it's
it's
an
interesting
and
unique
site
that
presents
some
challenges
and
some
opportunities.
B
I
will
say,
too
that
there
will
be
and
nils.
Maybe
you
already
comment
on
this,
but
there
will
be
a
public
hearing
at
the
iura
meeting
on
on
june
24th
and
then
a
second
public
hearing
at
the
july
20th
pedc
meeting
so
there'll
be
multiple
opportunities
for
people
to
weigh
in
ask
questions.
Look
at
the
plans.
The
plans
themselves
are
all
in
detail
on
the
iura
website.
Under
the
economic
development
committee
and
they're
very
interesting
plans,
each
one
of
the
plans.
K
A
B
Thank
you
yes
I'll
present
this
resolution
and
the
reason
seth
asked
me
is
that
I
also
serve
as
the
common
council
liaison
to
the
iura.
So
I've
looked
at
the
plans,
the
proposals
and
have
sat
in
on
a
number
of
the
meetings
and
the
presentations
from
organizations.
B
B
B
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
I
believe
anissa
is
also
here
and
anisa
has
really
been
key
in
this
process
in
advertising
and
working
with
organizations,
and
she
would
be
able
to
answer
any
questions.
People
have
as.
O
C
G
O
O
That
it
is
a
forgivable
loan,
it's
from
a
different
funding
source,
that's
sort
of
a
legacy
funding
source
that
ira
had
in
the
past.
Prior
to
my
coming
to
ira
and
nels
is
here,
has
appeared
on
your
screen
to
tell
you
a
little
bit
more
about
the
hodag
loan.
K
K
The
eddie
gate
project
was
one
of
the
projects
in
college
town
that
we
received
funding
for
that
loan
was
repaid
back
to
the
to
the
ira,
and
we've
been
using
those
funds
for
additional
projects
ever
since
one
clarification
to
a
niece's
comment
is
that
it
actually
is
a
repayable
loan.
It's
not
a
forgivable
loan,
so
it
would
require
that
the
in
this
and
this
money
is
earmarked
for
the
511
south
plain
force
and
I'm
sorry
play
the
state
street
apartments
project.
K
The
initial
ranking
by
the
ira
didn't
have
enough
funding
for
that
project,
but
it
has
so
many
affordable
housing
units
included
in
it
that
the
agency
wanted
to
explore
whether
they
could
provide
some
assistance
and
so
they're
recommending
that
there
be
a
loan
offer
a
low
interest
loan
for
that
project.
If,
if
it
can
receive
the
state
funding
by
the
award
by
the
end
of
the
calendar
year,
so
that's
different
than
the
other
funding
and
that
it's
not
a
grand
funding
and
it's
not.
K
It
doesn't
diminish
funding
for
any
other
project,
because
very
few
projects
would
be
eligible
for
loan
assistance.
The
hodag
grant
funding
can
only
be
used
for
affordable
rental
housing
projects.
C
Okay,
so
so,
if
I
understand
correctly,
it's
listed
as
part
of
this
funding
award,
but
inhs
or
I'm
sorry
vism
will,
if
they
receive
it
and
are
eligible
due
to
the
considerations.
They
will
repay
this
loan
at
some
point
and
then
the
money
will
be
available
again
to
go
back
as
another.
I
Yeah
I'd
first
like
to
suggest
that
we
we
round
the
numbers
to
it's
fine
with
me
to
round
to
the
nearest
hundred,
but
certainly
the
nearest
dollar
from
now
on.
So
my
questions
are
on
the
chart
about
items
two
and
three
for
homeowner
rehab
and
minor
repairs
sponsored
by
inhs
are
those
for
community
housing,
trust
homes
or
other
inhs
clients
that
don't
have
chf
cht
homes.
O
B
And
one
of
the
goals
of
that
program
is
to
encourage
aging
in
place,
for
example.
So,
in
order
to
put
a
railing-
or
you
know
some
other
repair
that
would
be
minor
rather
than
a
major
repair
to
allow
someone
to
remain
in
their
home.
O
And
so
just
attack
on
to
what
laura
said.
That's
absolutely
true
for,
for
my
their
minor
repair
program
and
because
cht
homes
have
normally
been
fairly
recently
sold,
inhs
usually
brings
them
up
to
a
level
that
won't
be
requiring
any
repairs
anytime
soon.
That's
why
I
don't
expect
that
any
of
the
homes
that
are
currently
on
the
waiting
list,
which
is
38
homes
on
the
waiting
list
for
homeowner
rehab,
would
be
a
chd
home.
O
These
are
homes
owned
by
any
person
in
the
community
who
income
qualifies,
and
the
idea
is
that
this
is
a
larger
amount
of
repair.
That's
offered
usually
up
to
25
24
999
per
house
that
prevents
the
home
from
going
into
further
like
deferred
maintenance
and
disrepair.
So
it
really
helps
people
who
are
income
limited.
Do
things
like
replace
a
roof,
replace
leaky
windows
fix
a
basement.
That's
been
leaking
things
like
that,
and
these.
O
I
C
So
I
have
a
follow-up
question
on
the
public
comment
that
was
included
in
the
packet,
and
so
I
don't
know
it's
not
actually
part
of
the
the
proposal
for
funding.
But
I
see
the
public
comment
with
regards
to
the
st
john's
community
shelter.
C
You
know
obviously
they're
identifying
that
there
is
a
high
demand
for
the
services
provided
by
the
shelter.
There
is
a
challenge
to
provide
those
services.
C
O
So
and.
O
So
the
reviewers
had
strong
interest
in
this
project
because,
like
you,
the
reviewers
are
very
concerned
about
homelessness
and
see
the
need
in
the
community
to
provide
adequate
services.
O
So
when
st
john's
put
forward
their
application,
which
the
applications
were
submitted
on
the
last
working
day
of
february
2021,
they
were
not
far
enough
along
in
their
planning.
Nor
had
they
gotten
farther
enough
along
that.
O
They
could
really
respond
to
the
questions
that
the
I
that
the
ira
reviewers
had
in
terms
of
how
exactly
they
planned
to
divide
the
building
that
they
were
looking
at,
which
they
had
not
acquired,
how
they
were
going
to
be
providing
appropriate
services
for
people
who
are
sheltered
and
people
who
were
staying
in
the
sros,
how
they
were
going
to
be
financing
the
project.
That
was
a
very
big
question.
There
are
a
lot
of
question
mark
still
and
there
was
not
a
business
plan
available
from
st
john's
at
the
time.
O
Looking
ahead
to
further
federal
funds
which
may
be
allocated
to
our
community
specifically
to
address
homelessness
to
you
know,
that's
part
of
the
reason
that
we're
continuing
to
be
in
discussions
with
st
jones
to
understand
where
they
are
in
their
process,
because
there
may
be
future
funding
streams
that
could
address
a
project
that
they
may
be
designing
else.
Did
you
want
to
add
anything
there.
C
Well,
I
I
appreciate
that
it's
good
to
know
that,
even
though
they
are
not
being
included
in
this
action
plan,
that
resources
and
supports
are
being
provided
to
st
john
to
try
to
move
them
through
the
process
as
quickly
as
possible
to
get
them
the
funding
they
need.
C
The
you
know
at
this
time,
the
in
covid
and
all
of
the
other
issues
we
are
facing
in
a
community
and
and
definitely
we
are
seeing
the
impacts
on
our
natural
areas
with
this
uncontrolled
homelessness
population,
whatever
we
can
do
to
expedite
the
process
for
them,
I'm
glad
to
hear
that
that
that
is
being
enabled,
even
though
they're
not
receiving
funding
under
the
action
plan.
O
Yes,
I
think
it
really.
Thank
you.
It
really
is
you
know.
St
john's
is
trying
to
meet
a
number
of
challenges,
and
you
know
so
they're
communicating
with
many
different
stakeholders
and
we're
a
part
of
that.
So
we
will
continue
to
do
that.
I
also
did
just
want
to
know
to
let
everybody
know
that,
even
if
for
projects
that
have
not
been
funded
through
an
action
plan
in
any
year,
we
provide
technical
assistance
throughout
the
year.
B
Yeah
I'll
also
just
point
out
that,
in
the
chart,
you'll
notice
under
cdbg
cv,
st
john's,
has
requested
and
is
receiving
funding
for
upgrades
to
the
hvac
system
at
the
friendship
center.
It's
not
directly
responding
cynthia
to
the
point
you're
raising,
which
is
a
very
good
point.
However,
there,
the
committee
was
very
interested
in
improving
the
conditions
in
the
for
safety
reasons
in
the
current
friendship
center,
so
those
funds
have
been
allocated
are
recommended,
are
being
recommended.
B
Okay,
okay,
so
are
we
ready
to
vote
on
this
action
plan
resolution.
A
A
Basically,
community
development
block
grant
money,
that's
been
designated
for
coronavirus
relief
and
in
the
plan
this
has
been
allocated
to,
I
think
it's
the
farmers
market
and
st
john's
black
hands
universal.
There
might
have
been
one
other
in
there.
Sorry,
I
don't
have
it
in
front
of
me,
but
I
guess.
O
Yeah
subdivide,
subdividing
nlfs,
so
they
can
have
greater
capacity
to
meet
with
people.
A
Great,
thank
you
anisa,
so
look
for
is
there
a
motion
on
this
resolution
moved
by
don
a
second
by
laura
any
discussion,
cynthia.
O
H
O
I'm
looking
at
the
one
on
the
internet
right
now,
so
it
starts
with
the
2021
action
plan
and
then
there's
a
matrix.
That's
entitled
ira,
adopted
draft
city
of
ithaca,
2021
action
plan
and
cvgcp
funding
allocations.
That's
an
excel
spreadsheet
that
was
made
into
a
pdf
and
then
after
that,
there's
the
summary
of
public
comment.
So
if
you
were
looking
at
the
public
comment
earlier,
the
the
spreadsheet
is
just
above
it
and
then
after
the
public
comment
is
the
resolution
for
the
cdbg
cv.
H
O
H
B
And
that's
labeled,
maybe
it's
hard
to
see,
but
it's
labeled,
cdbg
cv,
yeah.
H
H
A
A
Next
up
is
the
sale
of
property
acquired
through
tax
foreclosure
for
affordable
housing.
So
we
have
three
different
properties
that
we're
looking
at
here
and
I
guess
the
first
one
is
on
cleveland
ave.
Is
it
215
cleveland
ave?
So
we
have
a
lead
agency
declaration.
So
maybe
we
work
through
the
environmental
review
first
and
then
we
can
get
to
the
resolution
itself.
A
So
is
there
a
motion
on
the
lead
agency
moved
by
several
people
moves
by
laura
seconded
by
steve,
so
this
is
common
council
declaring
itself
lead
agency
to
conduct
the
environmental
review,
all
those
in
favor
and
that
carries
sorry,
cynthia
you're
you're
so
that
carries
4-1
next
up
is
the
environmental
review
itself
and
there's
this
is
a
negative
declaration.
A
Is
there
a
motion
on
the
environmental
review
moved
by
laura
seconded
by
steve
all?
Is
there
any
discussion
on
this
environmental
review?
A
So
this
is
just
for
the
215
cleveland
ave
property,
all
those
in
favor
and
that
carries
for
I'm
opposed,
I'm
assuming
you're
opposed
to
dia
that
carries
4-1,
and
then
we
get
to
the
resolution
itself.
A
Sale
property
acquired
through
tax
foreclosure
for
affordable
housing,
215
cleveland
avenue,
I'll
just
go
ahead
and
read
the
resolve
resolved
at
the
city
of
ithaca
common
council
hereby
determines
that
the
proposed
action
will
result
in
no
significant
impact
on
me.
But,
oh
sorry,
I'm
painting
the
is
that
the
environmental
review
yeah,
I'm
sorry,
I'm
reading
the
wrong
one.
A
Sorry,
sale
property
acquired
through
tax
foreclosure
for
affordable
housing,
215
cleveland
avenue
action
resolve
the
city
of
ithaca.
Common
council
hereby
directs
the
chamberlain
to
withhold
the
following
property
scheduled
to
be
acquired
through
tax
foreclosure
proceedings
from
the
public
auction.
A
It's
215
cleveland
avenue,
resolved
at
the
common
council
for
the
city
of
ithaca,
hereby
authorizes
the
sale
of
the
property
located
at
215
cleveland
avenue,
subject
to
a
number
of
following
terms
which
includes
the
purchaser,
which
is,
if
a
good
neighborhood
housing
services,
the
price,
which
is
the
amount
sufficient
to
pay
all
taxes,
fees
and
penalties
to
all
taxing
jurisdictions
and
the
use
which
will
be
affordable
owner
occupied
housing.
A
The
condition
of
the
property
is,
as
is
to
quit,
claim
deed.
The
closing
costs
and
legal
fees
will
be
the
responsibility
of
the
buyer.
There
are
no
buyer
contingencies.
A
The
sale
is
subject
to
the
city
acquisition
of
title
of
the
property
through
taxable
foreclosure
proceedings
and
the
city
reserves
the
right
to
allow
the
current
property
owner
to
redeem
property,
with
additional
penalties
up
until
the
date
of
city
acquisition
of
title
to
the
property
and
the
schedule
which
is
closing
on
all
sales
transactions
shall
occur
promptly
upon
the
city
taking
title
so
resolve
the
mayor.
Subject,
advice
from
the
city
attorney
is
authorized
to
sign
any
and
all
documents
to
execute
this
resolution,
and
is
there
a
a
motion
on
that's
moved
by
steve?
I
I
I
would
like
to
that
explained
and
I'd
also
like
to
understand
why
it
it
the
way
I
read
this:
we're
selling
this
property
to
I
and
or
we're
proposing
to
sell
this
property
to
inhs
only
for
the
amount
of
taxes
and
fees
and
so
forth,
but
for
the
other
two
properties,
we're
asking
for
the
higher
of
25
or
27
000
and
those
or
those
taxes
and
so
forth.
So
I'd
like
to
understand
the
difference
in
those
two
cases,
so
the
first
question
was:
in
what
cases
can
we
make
this
kind
of
sale?
I
K
I
see
that
ari
is
on
the
meeting,
but
on
his
ipad,
so
he
might
maybe
be
able
to
provide
more
clarification
than
I
can,
but
there's
a
section
of
real
property
tax
law
as
referenced
at
the
bottom
of
page.
One
of
the
resolution
that
specifically
authorizes
the
city
to
sell
property
schedule
that
has
been
foreclosed
on
directly
to
a
purchaser
without
going
through
the
normal
public
auction
process
to
the
highest
bidder
and
part
of
that.
K
Practical
reasoning,
in
my
mind,
for
why
that
is
in
place
is
there's
often
very
little
time
between
the
point
and
decision
where
the
city
has
to
decide
whether
it's
going
to
withhold
it
from
the
auction
or
or
sell
the
property.
There
really
is
a
limited
time
frame
to
act
between
the
foreclosure
occurring
and
the
decision
to
put
in
the
auction.
The
city
puts
all
properties
in
the
auction
unless
they're
withheld,
but
that
time
period
can
be
very
short
period
of
time
to
make
that
decision.
I
I
Okay,
okay,
so
the
second
question
was:
oh:
why
are
we
treating
this
sale
differently
than
the
two
sales
to
habitat.
K
Well,
we
we,
we
asked
not-for-profits,
who
were
following
the
process
of
the
of
the
tax
foreclosure
proceedings
to
submit
proposals
to
the
common
council
for
consideration.
K
This
one
involves
inhs,
acquiring
the
property,
rehabilitating
the
property
and
entering
into
the
community
housing
trust
for
affordable
home
ownership,
which
would
then
be
you
know
remaining
in
affordability
for
perpetuity.
K
But
you
know
this
is
a
proposal
for
a
price.
There
is
an
opportunity
for
negotiation
on
that.
One
clarification
about
the
habitat
price
is
that's
not
the
purchase
price
plus
taxes,
it's
the
higher
of
the
two
from
habitat,
the
purchase
amount
or
full
taxes
being
paid
to
both
the
city,
which
includes
the
school
taxes
and
the
county.
K
So
they're
a
little
bit
different
in
that
respect,
but
lizzie
ackerman
from
ithaca,
neighborhood
housing
services
is,
is
available
to
answer
questions
regarding
their
specific
proposal.
C
I've
had
the
opportunity
to
speak
with
both
leslie
and
and
shannon
in
the
last
couple
days.
They've
contributed
quite
a
lot
of
time
to
have
these
conversations
with
me,
and
I
really
appreciate
that.
C
I
I
fundamentally
would
love
to
allow
affordable
properties
to
be
accessible
for
individuals
to
buy
them
fee,
simple,
not
through
a
housing
trust
program,
and
you
know
if
there
was
a
way.
If
that
is,
our
focus
is
to
have
affordable
homes
accessible
to
individuals.
C
I
do
understand
the
sentiment
and
applaud
the
intent
with
the
housing
trust
program.
I
think
it's
a
great
program
in
the
first
10
years
after
a
house
is
refurbished.
I
think
the
benefits
of
the
program
as
the
house
ages
is
is
a
significant
consideration
and
it
is
the
primary
reason
that
I
have
deep
skepticism
about
the
housing
trust
program.
I
wish
there
was
support
among
colleagues
to
explore
different
ways
to
get
families
into
fee,
simple
housing
at
a
rate
that
they
can
afford.
I
Yeah,
I'm
very
in
that
question
as
well
having
learned
a
lot
more
about
the
community
housing
trust
these
last
couple
of
weeks
also,
but
I
want
to
get
back
to
my
earlier
question
of
it
somehow.
It
just
doesn't
seem
right
to
me
that
that
habitat
has
offered
the
greater
of
25
000
or
the
back
taxes
and
inhs
hasn't
it,
and
there
are,
I
think,
they're
offering
the
same
benefit,
in
other
words
they're
putting
houses
in
community
housing
trusts
for
low-income
people.
I
Q
I,
of
course,
can't
speak
to
how
habitat
determined
the
number
they
would
offer.
I
can
only
speak
for
us.
Nels
sent
me
information
about
the
terms
that
council
would
consider
which
you
listed
and
the
minimum
to
cover
all
of
the
taxes
and
fees
was
a
number
on
the
table
and,
as
I
think
nels
might
have
mentioned
it,
it
can
be
a
negotiation
we.
Obviously
our
expenses
in
rehabilitating
the
house
will
be
substantial.
Q
A
K
A
major
risk
with
anybody
acquiring
a
property
through
tax
foreclosures.
They
don't
really
know
the
condition
of
the
property
they
haven't,
had
an
opportunity
to
walk
through
it
and
inspect
it.
So
there's
a
lot
of
risk
on
the
up
about
the
rehab
costs
going
forward.
Properties
that
have
not
paid
their
taxes
to
the
city
in
two
years
tend
to
have
deferred
maintenance
on
them,
and
this
is
an
older
structure.
K
That's
750
square
feet
in
size,
a
modest
home,
so
there
is,
you
know
there
is
that
all
these
properties
that
our
tax
foreclosure
have
that
risk
associated
with
them
and
the
not
for
profits
have
to
figure
out
how
they're
going
to
you
know
manage
that
risk.
The
we
asked
for
an
offer.
K
I
did
establish
that
in
the
past
the
common
council
has
set
a
minimum
floor
of
at
least
paying
for
all
the
taxes
to
owe
to
all
taxing
jurisdictions,
and
I
believe
that
the
the
other
aspect
of
this
is
that
there
is
an
ability
to
lower
the
sales
price
and
include
more
low-income
homeowners
in
the
offering
if
the
purchase
price
is
lower.
But
I
think
it
is
a.
K
Habitat
has
one
model
of
rehabbing,
which
includes
a
lot
of
sweat,
equity
and
and
volunteer
work
and
inhs
has
a
different
model,
which
is
hiring
local
contractors
to
do
the
work,
so
there's
a
different
model
for
each
of
those
projects.
They
both
have
very
similar
lan.
You
know
requirements
on
resale
to
ensure
permanent
affordability.
C
So
nils
you
mentioned
that
that
you
asked
for
offers.
We
did
receive
a
public
comment
from
james
kerrigan
who's,
a
former
city
court
judge
who
was
unaware
that
an
opportunity
like
this
was
available.
I
know
that
he
is
working
with
a
group
of
people
with
the
same
intent
as
inhs
and
habitat
to
try
to
get
individuals
into
owner
occupancy,
although
not
through
a
land
trust
program,
and
in
the
comment
that
he
submitted
to
council
when
he
was
made
that
this
was
when
this
was
made
available
to
him.
C
He
said
I
will
offer
to
buy
the
cleveland
avenue
property
on
substantially
the
same
terms,
quick
claim,
deed,
twenty
thousand
dollars,
cash
on
delivery
for
the
deed,
unpaid
county
taxes
of
about
three
thousand
will
be
paid
the
same
day.
I
agree
to
sell
the
property
to
a
first
time,
home
buyer
who
will
keep
all
the
profit
if
they
live
in
the
property
owner
occupied
for
five
years,
and
if
they
then
resell
it
any
property
on
such
resale
would
be
paid
to
the
g
act,
pool
reopening
fund
or
to
assist
some
other
first-time
home
buyers.
C
I
will
require
proof
that
the
city
can
agree
to
sell
what
it
does
not
own
and
that
it
can
sell
to
anyone
in
this
fashion
without
public
building.
If
I
buy
it,
I
will
agree
to
contribute
five
thousand
dollars
to
the
giac
pool
reopening
fund
to
avoid
the
risk
of
its
closing
this
year,
any
offer
to
be
from
a
new
llc
to
be
formed.
Thank
you
for
your
consideration.
C
So
I
think
that
goes
back
to
a
question.
Was
this:
was
information
made
available
to
the
public
to
receive
offers
of
how
to
that?
These
properties
may
be
available
to
other
groups,
not
just
inhs
and
habitat,
who
are
also
in
interested
in
taking
homes,
refurbishing
them
and
making
them
available
for
low-income
property
owners.
K
This
was
not
advertised
publicly.
This
is
this
is
the
result
of
two
not-for-profit
housing
agencies,
tracking
the
foreclosures
looking
for
opportunities
to
advance
their
mission,
affordable
housing
mission
and
identifying
these
properties.
It's
really
a
pretty
fast-moving
process
of
a
large
list
that
begins
in
early
spring
of
tax
foreclosures
that
whittles
down.
K
So
there's
a
lot
of
false
starts
tracking
the
list,
and,
finally,
I
believe
the
last
date
for
redemptions
was
the
last
day
of
april
or
the
first
day
of
may
somewhere
around
there,
and
that
was
a
that's
only
when
we
really
realized
what
which
properties
were
on
the
list.
K
So
here
we
are,
you
know
in
mid-may,
there's
not
a
lot
of
time
to
do
a
lot
of
outreach
on
this
and
historically,
the
city
has
focused
when
we've
done
any
transfers
in
the
past,
which
hasn't
been
recent,
because
we've
been
very
fortunate
with
with
zero
or
very
few
tax.
Foreclosures
we've
worked
with
not
for
profits
in
the
past.
Your
options
be
on
this
property
are
at
least
three
here.
One
is
to
take
it
to
auction,
and
it's
all
in
it's
in
all
likelihood,
gonna
fetch
a
higher
price.
K
It's
also
likely
to
be
converted
to
a
rental
property
frankly,
because
the
auction
requires
cash
down
and
it's
hard
for
for
a
homeowner
to
finance
property
at
an
auction
that
has
no
no
inspections
and
those
kind
of
issues.
So
that's
that's
why
we
interceded
and
said
brought
this
as
an
option
to
the
council
is
that
you
want
to
direct
this
to
go
to
affordable
home
ownership.
This
is
an
opportunity.
K
If
your
goal
is
to
maximize
purchase
price,
then
you
probably
should
take
it
through
the
auction.
Now
we
have
two,
you
know:
injustice
submitted
a
proposal.
Mr
kerrigan
has
submitted
a
comment
which
I'm
sure
could
be
converted
into
a
written
proposal
to
the
to
the
city,
but
a
couple
distinctions
between
the
two
projects-
one
is
the
kerrigan
proposal
is
not
by
enough
for
profit:
it's
not
it's
not
committing
to
rehab
the
property
and
it's
not
committing
to
sell
the
property
to
a
low
income,
home
buyer.
K
And
thirdly,
it's
not
committing
to
permanent
affordability,
which
I
think
you
disagree
on
anyway
in
terms
of
the
framework,
but
those
are
some
distinctions.
The
other
distinction
is
that
he's
offering
a
higher
purchase
price
of
twenty
thousand
dollars
and
thirdly,
there's
a
commitment
to
some
funding
flowing
to
the
giac
pool,
but
it's
a
little
hard
to
figure
out
in
that
proposal,
which
I
think
it's
a
minimum
of
five
thousand
dollars,
but
it's
not
clear
how
it
would
work
on
a
resale
from
the
homeowner.
K
A
I
Nils,
thank
you
very
much
for
that.
That
was
really
clear.
So
if,
if
some
enterprising
individual
wanted
to
buy
a
fixer-upper
and
in
foreclosure,
he
or
she
would
have
to
come
up
with
the
cat,
the
total
cash
for
the
purchase
price,
not
just
a
down
payment
at
auction.
K
I
K
I
I
see
so
what
I'm
trying
to
imagine
is
how
an
individual
who
had
enough
money
for
a
down
payment
but
was
willing
to
rehab
a
house,
could
do
it
and
it
sound
it
sound
with
one
of
these
houses
in
foreclosure
going
to
auction.
K
K
I
A
A
B
No,
the
points
you
made
are
exactly
what
I
was
going
to
raise:
we're
seeing
displacement
of
low
and
mod
income,
people
from
the
city,
both
in
terms
of
rental
and
and
whether
it's
inhs
habitat,
we're
looking
at
home
ownership
and
of
ability
in
perpetuity,
and
those
are
important
distinctions.
A
Okay,
are
there
any
further
questions
comments
on
this
one,
so
this
is
just
the
nhs
one,
the
215
cleveland
ave.
It's
been
moved
and
seconded
donna.
I
A
A
So
up
next
is
the
habitat
proposal
and
again
we
have
so.
These
are
for
two
properties:
109
morris
avenue
and
417
south
aurora
street,
and
we
have
like
the
other
one.
We've
got
the
lead
agency,
so
I'll
look
for
a
motion
on
common
council
declaring
itself
lead
agency
to
conduct
the
environmental
review
move
by
steve
second
by
laura
all
in
favor
and
that
carries
4-1.
A
Next
up
we
have
the
environmental
review
itself,
which
is
a
negative
declaration.
Look
for
a
motion
on
that
moved
by
steve
seconded
by
laura.
Is
there
any
discussion
on
the
environmental
review
so
seeing
none
all
those
in
favor
and
that
carries
4-1?
So
then
we
come
to
the
sale
itself.
A
This
language
is
kind
of
boilerplate
from
what
I
read
before.
So
I
won't
repeat
it,
but
I
guess
the
big
difference
with
this
one
is
just
the
the
difference
in
the
price
as
we've
been
talking
about.
So
the
purchaser
is
habitat
for
humanity
of
thompson's
cortland
counties.
109
morris
avenue
is
the
higher
of
a
27,
500
or
b
an
amount
sufficient
to
pay
all
taxes,
fees
and
penalties
due
to
all
taxing
jurisdictions.
A
417
south
aurora
street
is
the
higher
of
a
25.
000
should
be
an
amount
sufficient
to
pay
all
taxes,
fees
and
penalties
due
to
all
taxing
jurisdictions.
So
I'll
look
for
a
motion
on
this
resolution,
move
by
steve
and
second
by
laura
discussion.
A
So
I
did
maybe
just
to
start
up.
I
did
have
a
question
because
I'm
I'm
pretty
familiar
with
nhs
and
how
the
community
housing
trust
model
works,
I'm
less
familiar
with
habitat
for
community.
I
mean,
I
know
that
you
do
a
lot
of
your
work
with
volunteers
and
that
helps
to
keep
the
price
down,
but
long
term
is
the
property
held
in
the
kind
of
trust.
Or
how
do
you
monitor
the
whole
situation
with
like
selling
it
to
low-income
home
buyers?.
L
Sure
so
our
community
housing
trust
is
actually
just
about
identicals
to
ithaca,
neighborhood
housing.
So,
speaking
to
the
the
trust
specifically
really,
the
only
difference
between
ours
is
ours,
and
theirs
is
that
our
annual
fee
is
a
little
bit
lower
than
theirs
is,
but
otherwise
the
structure
of
it.
You
know
resale
all
of
those
details
are
identical
to
what
inhs
is
doing
and
similar
situation.
We
would
put
both
of
these
properties
into
our
trust.
L
I
can
speak
a
little
bit
to
you,
know
home
buyer
selection
and
things
if
people
have
questions,
but
it's
the
trust
itself
is
is
almost
the
same.
Thank
you.
Yep.
A
Any
other
questions
you
know
donna
did
you
want
to
bring
up
your
the
price
differential?
I
did.
I
had
a
question
about
that
too.
I'm
still,
I'm
still
not
totally
understanding
it
like.
Why
there's
a
difference
there
is.
It
was
the
concern
that
the
inhs
property
was
going
to
be,
I
don't
know
potentially
more
expensive
or.
L
We
had
to
settle
on
some
numbers,
so
there
is
not
anything
scientific
behind
our
numbers.
It
is
mostly
we
looked
at
the
assessed
values
we
offered
about
25
of
assessed
value
for
each
of
those
properties.
Honestly,
because
I
didn't
even
think
that
offering
the
taxes
alone
would
even
be
considered
like,
I
thought
our
offers
would
be
too
low
ball
to
begin
with.
So
I
think
it
is
less
of
anything
complicated
and
mostly
just
a
newness
to
the
process
and
trying
to
offer
what
we
could
yeah.
A
L
Well,
it
would
give
us
that
difference
to
put
into
cost
of
construction.
So,
even
though
habitat's
model
is
that
we
work
primarily
with
volunteers,
so
that
we
can
obviously
reduce
our
construction
costs
and
therefore
you
know
build
more
units
of
housing.
You
know
similar
to
inhs
we're
still
experiencing
the
same
increase
in
construction
costs
that
they
are
with
both
materials
and
subcontractors,
and
so
it's
not
that
we
just
have
more
money
to
spend.
L
I
think
it
was
just
yeah,
not
not
thinking
that
offering
taxes
alone
would
be
sufficient.
Certainly
that
difference
would
just
go
into
rehabilitation
of
of
those
homes
they're
both
going
to
need
work.
You
know
done
to
them:
it's
not
that
they're
in
different
condition.
K
I
just
want
to
note
that
shannon
did
some
research
on
the
county
taxes
that
are
owed
on
this,
and
I
think,
when
you
add
them
up,
there's
about
fifteen
thousand
dollars
of
taxes
due
on
each
of
these
properties.
If
you
were
to
round
it
to
a
round
number.
So
this
is
so
you
understand
what
the
taxes
do
are
for
all
taxing
jurisdictions.
C
I'll
just
get
this
comment
in
before
we
move
on,
because
I
know
that
my
position
is
very
confusing
one
for
for
most
people-
and
I
know
nils-
had
just
made
a
comment
that
I
might
my
position
is
that
it
should
not
be
held
to
be
affordable,
and
I
want
to
clarify
that
a
little
bit
the
housing
trust
program
works
very
well.
C
If
you
are
the
first
owner
in
the
first
10
years
of
the
house
after
10
years,
the
house
will
start
to
age
and
will
have
increased
maintenance
costs,
you're
more
likely
to
have
to
rebuild
your
roof
a
deal
with
plumbing
problems,
maybe
foundational
problems,
the
cost
that
goes
along
with
that
in
this
aging
house
starts
to
build
and
the
risk
of
home
home
ownership
expands
as
your
house
gets
older.
But
when
you
have
a
capped
return
on
your
investment,
you're
you're
limited
in
your
return,
but
your
costs
now
will
likely
grow.
C
In
fact,
I
guarantee
that
your
costs
and
maintenance
will
grow.
So
if
your
buyer
number
two
and
heaven
forbid
your
power,
buyer
number
three,
this
program
does
not
work
for
you
economically
and
if
you
are
income
constrained-
and
you
already
have,
for
example,
you've
gotten
a
deposit
assistance
or
or
down
payment
assistance
and
you've
gotten
assistance
for
closing
costs.
You
are
you're
very
limited
in
terms
of
what
equity
you
can
take
out
of
of
your
equity
investment
in
your
home.
C
So
if
you
want
to
send
your
child
to
college,
if
you
want
to
put
an
aging
family
member
and
and
you
have
unexpected
medical
expenses,
you
want
to
take
that
equity
out
of
your
house.
It's
very
very
difficult
unless
you
actually
sell
your
house
so
now
you're
out
of
a
house
just
to
get
your
equity
back
there.
It's
there's
a
lot
of
constraints.
C
So
it's
the
long-term
complexity
of
this
situation,
and
I
only
know
about
this
because
in
hawaii
we
have
hawaiian
homestead
lands
with
a
housing
trust,
that's
been
in
place
for
a
hundred
years
and
people
who
get
into
that.
They
don't
understand
that
they
cannot
take
the
equity
out
of
their
home.
So
when,
when
you
do
have
to
replace
your
roof
it
you
don't
get
that
back.
When
you
try
to
resell
because
it's
not
a
capital
improvement,
it's
a
maintenance
cost
right.
C
You
don't
get
to
add
it
on
to
the
resale
value,
even
though
it
might
be
fifteen
thousand
dollars
for
your
roofer
or
these
really
really
expensive
repairs.
So
this
is
my
problem
with
the
housing
trust
model.
It's
not
to
say
that
I'm
opposed
to
having
houses
be
permanently
affordable.
I
think
that
there
needs
to
be
further
thought
and
learn
from
the
lessons
of
what's
happening
in
hawaii,
and
there
are
myriad
of
articles
where
people
are
criticizing
the
housing
trust
system
in
hawaii
because
of
the
impact
on
the
families.
C
So
I
just
want
to
clarify
to
the
comment
that
was
made
and
seth.
I
think
that's
your
feedback
on
your
side,
but
because
I
know
that
that
my
position
has
been
represented
in
the
media
in
journalists,
just
not
understanding
where
I'm
coming
from
and
it's
a
very,
very
complex
system,
and
I
really
want
to
applaud,
shannon
and
leslie
for
talking
through
this
with
me
as
we're
thinking
through
like
okay.
How
could
this
be
modified
so
that
we're
minimizing
the
risk
for
buyer
number?
Q
I
just
wanted
to
make
a
comment
about
the
maintenance
and
the
repair
issues.
I
agree
with
cynthia
100
that
as
houses
age,
they
need
maintenance.
This
also
addresses
donna's,
comment
or
question
earlier
about
inhs's
major
repair
program.
It
is
something
that
is
absolutely
open
to
cht
owners,
so
the
individual
who
needs
a
roof
is
not
completely
out
of
options,
but
I
will
also
suggest
that
I
don't
think
even
while
houses
do
require
maintenance,
as
they
age
there
aren't
too
many
houses
even
really
shoddily
built
houses
that
start
dramatically
falling
apart
after
10
years.
Q
I
live
in
a
house
that
dates
from
about
1900.
It
was
rehabbed
by
inhs
in
1985
well
before
the
housing
trust
started,
but
that's
now.
What
is
that
21,
35
years
or
so
ago,
the
house
was
rehabbed
the
only
improvements
I've
made
since
that
major
rehab
have
been
cosmetic
ones,
and
that
excuse
me
one
one
more
thing
I
did
actually
replace
the
furnace,
but
furnaces
do
need
to
be
replaced
right.
Q
That's
unexpected,
like
you
need
new
tires
on
your
car,
so
I
think
it's
very
possible
to
build
or
rehabilitate
a
house
such
that
the
owner
is
not
going
to
suddenly
start
have
to
pouring
money
suddenly
going
to
have
to
start
pouring
money
into
it
after
10
or
15
years.
A
C
Yeah,
just
just
a
quick
call:
follow-up,
the
appliances,
the
furnaces,
the
refrigerator,
the
washer
and
dryer.
Those
are
the
things
that
you
know
they
will.
They
do
have
a
set
life.
You
will
start
to
see
those
first
absolutely,
and
I
don't
know
that
you,
if
you
haven't,
been
saving
to
prepare
to
replace
your
washer
and
dryer
and
your
furnace
and
your
refrigerator,
I
don't
know,
are
you
able
to
go
to
inhs
and
get
a
loan
to
do
that?
Perhaps
you
are.
C
But
the
other
thing,
like
I
said,
is
the
idea
that
you
can
take
your
equity
out,
say
you're
in
a
house
for
20
years.
You
want
to
send
your
kid
to
college.
Are
you
able
to
get
that
equity
out
without
selling
your
house
right?
So
there
are
different
constraints
and
and
and
lack
of
of
course,
the
program
in
inhs
has
only
been
in
place
since
2012.
We
don't
know
that
in
hawaii,
people
are
finding
that
they
cannot
take
the
equity
out
to
send
their
kids
to
school,
even
though
the
house
might
be
completely
paid
off.
C
There's
limits
to
that.
So
you
know
it's
I'm
just
looking
for
the
long
term.
I
think
that
again,
the
first
10
years
great
program
get
in
it.
That's
wonderful.
It
starts
to
change
the
calculations
as
you
stay
in
that
house
longer
and
and
it's
it's
those
conditions
that
I'm
paying
a
very
close
attention
to.
A
Q
L
The
situation's
going
to
be
the
same,
I
think,
though,
like
we
have
the
same
two
percent
cap
that
inhs
does
to
annual
cap
on
increase
in
in
resale
value.
I
don't
think
it's
that
they
they
cannot
build
equity.
Is
that
there's
a
limit
to
how
much
families
are
going
to
build
right?
So
it's
not
necessarily
going
to
keep
pace
with
market
rate,
not
that
they
would
not
build
equity
or
build
wealth
through
that
house
at
all.
If
that,
if
that
addresses
your
questions
and.
A
I
think
yeah-
and
I
think
the
thing
to
stress
about
this
too,
is
that,
like
ithaca,
is
an
unusual
housing
market
in
that
the
houses
appreciate
much
faster
than
in
many
other
places
in
the
country.
And
if
you
look
at
the
rest
of
the
country
I
mean
a
two
percent
increase
year
by
year
is
pretty
average.
A
So
I
mean
that's
also
true
of
a
lot
of
places
in
upstate
new
york,
I
mean,
if
you
look
at
elmira,
for
instance,
I'm
sure
it's
about
two
percent
every
year,
so
you
know,
I
don't
think
we
would
propose
that
people
almira
shouldn't
buy
houses.
Just
because
you
know
the
equity
is
only
increasing
by
two
percent
per
year.
I
think
there's
still
a
value
to
people
owning
homes.
The
people
in
those
communities
buy
homes.
A
For
that
that
reason-
and
you
know-
I-
and
I
see
this
much
more
as
about
just
trying
to
provide
another
option
for
people-
you
know,
especially
in
a
really
rising
housing
market,
where
it's
really
expensive.
You
know
somebody
could
really
there's
a
lot
of
advantage
to
having
a
house
downtown.
That's
close
to
schools,
that's
close
to
jobs
within
a
good
school
district.
A
I
mean
that's
the
reason.
I've
always
supported
this
and
I
actually
think
it's
a
pretty
innovative
program
in
a
way
that
we
can
provide
home
ownership
opportunities
to
people
who
otherwise
would
have
to
buy
a
house
in
elmira
and
probably
commute
into
ithaca
in
order
to
go
to
a
job.
So
I
think
this
is
a
great
program.
I
think
both
both
of
these,
both
of
these
nonprofits,
I
think,
are
doing
really
valuable
work
in
our
community
and
I'm
I'm
excited
to
support
this.
Q
To
follow
up
on
your
question
stuff,
I
can
provide
a
few
numbers
related
to
the
appreciation
and
the
equity
building
and
the
overall
financial
impact,
because
I
think
it's
important
to
note
that
the
financial
benefit
to
a
housing,
trust
home
buyer
isn't
just
measured
in
what
do
they
get
out
of
the
house
when
they
sell
it
five
or
ten
or
twenty
years
later,
and
that
that
appreciation
of
it?
What
are
they
also
benefiting
from
along
the
way?
Q
So
cynthia-
and
I
looked
at
an
example
from
a
resale
calculation-
it
was
a
house
that
was
purchased
in
2012.
It
was
held
by
the
homeowner
for
79
months.
What's
that
about
seven
years
yeah
it
was
sold
in
march
of
2019,
the
home
buyer
purchased
it
at
140
000
its
appraisal
at
that
time
was
178
000
when
they
sold
it.
They
sold
it
for
161
000
and
it
appraised
at
that
time
for
235..
Q
So
it
went
up
substantially
more
in
market
value
than
the
two
percent
cap
of
appreciation.
The
the
appreciation
would
have
resulted
in
about
fifty
seven
thousand
dollars
in
equity
in
that
person's
pocket.
Had
it
been
purchased
and
then
later
sold
at
market,
the
the
cht
buyer
walked
away
after
selling
it
with
twenty
one
thousand
dollars.
Q
Q
Keeping
in
mind
also
that
that
individual
might
not
have
been
able
to
qualify
for
the
mortgage
for
38
000
more
in
the
first
place,
in
which
case
they
may
have
been
stuck
renting
or,
as
you
suggested,
buying
much
further
afield,
which
would
have
resulted
in
commuting
costs
or
other
repairs
to
their
home
or
what
whatever
else
could
have
impacted
them.
A
Thanks
leslie,
I
did
want
to
come
back
to
this
question
of
the
differential
in
price,
because
I'm
not
sure
we
really
addressed
that.
I
don't
know
how
do
people
I
see
donna
shaking
her
head.
I
mean
it
made
me
a
little
uncomfortable
just
because,
like
I
think
we
want
to
be
consistent
and
it
feels
maybe
a
little
inconsistent
to
set
a
price
for
one
and
not
the
other.
I
don't
know
what
other
people
are
thinking
donna.
I
I
agree
with
you
completely
and
especially
because
habitat
is
new
to
doing
this
in
the
city
of
ithaca
and
inhs
has
experience,
I
don't
want
it
to
look
like
habitat,
is
unwelcome
or
being
taken
advantage
of,
or
something
like
that.
I
wonder
if
we
could
just
leave
it
to
staff
to
negotiate
more
consistent
sales
approaches
in
these
three
cases.
G
A
K
A
Going
to
be
going
towards
the
rehab
of
the
house,
which
is
going
to
be
beneficial
to
habitat,
I
don't
know
if
what
others
think
laura.
B
Yeah,
I
would
support
that
what
you
just
proposed
so
that
there
is
some
consistency.
A
Do
you
want
to
make
a
motion
of
it?
Yeah
I
heard
steve
is
that
a
motion
moved
by
steve?
Is
there
a
second
seconded
by
cynthia?
Do
we
want
further
discussion
on
this
donna.
I
In
prior
cases
of
well,
maybe
we
don't
have
any,
no,
the
hint
the
house
I
just
looked
at
the
auburn
street
house
was
that
just
sold
for
I'm
sorry,
I'm
having
a
moment
a
moment
of
confusion.
K
Question
it's
been
quite
a
few
years
since
the
last
property
was
sold.
I
believe,
and
I
think
the
last
time
the
city
sold
the
property
as
a
directed
sale
in
lieu
of
you
know.
Through
foreclosure,
it
was
at
just
to
pay
taxes
and
fees
due
to
all
tax
and
jurisdictions
was
probably
2014
or
2015.
When
that
occurred.
A
So
we've
got
a
motion
on
the
floor.
It's
removed
and
seconded
any
further
discussion,
so
this
would
be
to
offer
the
same
proposal
to
both,
which
is
just
to
pay
the
taxes.
A
All
right,
so
all
those
and
sorry
cynthia.
C
So
it's
not
my
intent
that
these
houses
go
to
a
landlord.
It's
not
my
intent
that
I
want
more
houses
to
go
to
rentals.
I
just
think
we
can
do
better
than
what
we
currently
we
I'd
love
to
work
with
the
two
programs
to
come
up
with
some
revisions.
But
that's
that's
why
I'm
opposing
it?
Not
not
because
I
want
these
to
be
rentals.
A
Okay,
all
those
in
favor
and
those
opposed
looks
like
401
all
right.
Well,
thank
you
both
leslie
and
shannon
for
joining
us
tonight.
I.
A
And
good
luck
with
your
projects.
A
Okay,
next
up,
we
have
the
conditional
approval
of
the
pud
for
407
cliff
street,
so
this
is
the
encodema
property
and
we
got
a
pretty
thorough
presentation
on
this
at
last
month's
meeting.
A
Q
J
A
Okay,
so
is
there
a
motion
on
the
resolution
and
then
we
can
open
up
for
discussion,
move
by
donna
seconded
by
laura.
So
any
discussion
on.
A
A
H
I
I'm
sorry,
I
don't
have
anything
earth
shattering
to
say.
I
just
think
it's
a
it's
an
interesting
concept
and
I
think
that
to
me
is
a
pod
is
best
used
for
an
unusual
space
that
already
exists
that
his
has
different
uses
and
it's
posed
sort
of
a
difficulty
like
the
some
of
the
prior
parts.
We've
dealt
with.
So
I'm
pleased
to
see
this
concept
and
I
look
forward
to
learning
more,
as
as
things
progress.
A
Yeah
I'd
second,
that
I
think
this
is
a
really
cool
project
and
you
know
it's
gotten
a
lot
of
really
positive
feedback
from
the
community.
I'm
excited
about
it,
I'm
happy
to
vote
for
it.
I
mean
the
only
thing
I'd
say
is
you
know
I
wish
there
was
a
way
that
we
could
approve
these
projects
by
right
instead
of
going
through
the
pud
process,
because
I
think
you
know
this
really
is
in
line
with
the
city's
comprehensive
plan
and
what
we
want
to
see
a
lot
more
of
that
kind
of
mixed
use.
A
B
J
Yeah
this
allows
this
allows
the
project
to
begin
the
site
plan
review
process
and
then
they'll
develop
the
or
they'll
get
approval
from
planning
board
and
then
they'd
come
back
again
to
planning
committee
and
then
we'd
have
a
public
hearing
and
go
through
full
approval.
At
that
point,
thank
you.
A
B
R
A
And
next
we
have.
This
is
the
project.
The
skyride
project,
which
is
public
art
that-
and
this
is
for
the
location
of
the
public
art
correct-
is
that
right,
tom
and
tom
you
sent
me
a
resolution
that
was
like
an
amended
resolution.
M
The
the
resolution
was
in
the
agenda
packet
and
we
went
to
the
board
of
public
works
last
night
and
they
approved
a
resolution
unanimously
and
suggested
an
additional
whereas
and
passed
their
resolution
with
an
additional.
Whereas
so
I
sent
you
an
additional,
whereas
which
we
we
can
read
into
the
resolution
here
for
consideration.
That
folks
would
like.
I
can.
I
can
say
what
it
is
now
if
you'd
like.
M
The
additional,
whereas
would
be
whereas
this
location
was
approved
by
common
council
in
2019
as
the
preferred
location
for
the
tompkins
giant
sculpture,
but
the
tompkins
giant
sculpture
project
was
subsequently
cancelled
by
the
project
organizers,
so
that
is
the
additional,
whereas
and
joanne
or
jen.
If
you're
the
host,
could
you
let
megan
barber
in
she
says
she's
in
the
waiting
room?
D
A
Okay,
okay,
so
essentially
this
we're
voting
on
this
sculpture.
We
located
where
the
the
cass
park
giant
was
going
to
go.
That's
the
in
cass
park
right.
M
Yeah,
the
location,
how
would
you
like
to
do
this
stuff?
Would
you
like
me
to
speak
a
little
about
the
project?
I'd
also
like
an
opportunity
to
speak
to
the
concerns
that
monica
roth
raised
but
or
or
you
know,
there
is
a
there-
is
a
some
material
in
the
agenda
packet
and
a
resolution
so
happy
to
just
also
answer
questions.
A
Let's
that's
fine,
I
mean.
Maybe
we
could
just
go
ahead
and
move
the
resolution
and
then
we
can,
you
can
present.
That's
probably
the
best
way
to
do
this.
Is
there
a
motion
on
the
resolution
moved
by
laura?
Is
there
a
second
directed
by
steve?
The
floor
is
yours,
tom.
M
Okay,
well,
thank
you.
Yeah.
This
project
was
conceived
as
a
project
to
celebrate
ithaca's
bike
culture
and
promote
active
transportation
as
a
viable
means
of
getting
around
it's
a
project.
That's
been
funded
by
the
park
foundation.
M
Our
role
has
been
to
convene
the
steering
committee
alex
phillips,
worked
really
hard
to
convene
a
diverse
group
of
community
members
and
stakeholders
to
to
work
with
us
on
developing
the
project
concept
and
goals,
putting
out
an
rfp
to
solicit
artists
that
could
respond
to
that
concept
by
the
way
the
concept
started
with
bike,
sculpture
and
then
evolved
to
kinetic
bike,
sculpture
and
then
to
a
kinetic
bike,
sculpture
with
reused
materials,
and
then,
let's
make
it
a
community
build
project
and
somewhat
incredibly,
we
actually
were
able
to
find
an
artist
who
responded
to
the
rfp.
M
M
And
so
we
then
worked
with
the
artist
patricia
vader
through
the
steering
committee
to
develop
a
design
concept
and
from
there
the
committee
looked
at
the
list
that
alex
phillips
developed
when
we
were
most
recently
discussing
sculpture
projects
for
potential
locations
for
for
this
sculpture
and
the
committee
did
a
site
tour
of
a
site
visit
of
of
a
narrow,
a
smaller
list
of
locations
and
identified
a
location
that
is
along
the
kegel
waterfront
trail
in
cass
park
between
the
waterfront
trail
and
the
inlet
just
across
the
trail
from
the
birding
kiosk.
M
Isn't
programming?
That's
you
know
somewhat
normal.
It
was
just
desirable
the
location
by
the
community,
because
it
was
a
nice
mix
of
visibility,
while
also
being
a
place
that
you
could.
You
know
ride
your
bike.
M
Back
again
after
alex
phillips
had
been
leading
it
on
our
behalf.
I
actually
wasn't
aware
that
this
was
the
location
for
the
tompkins
giant,
but
it
turns
out
this.
This
was
a
location
that
was
selected
for
the
thompson's
giant
and
megan
barber
who,
who
planned
to
join
us
tonight
as
the
director
of
cap,
but
isn't
on.
The
call
now
explained
to
board
of
public
works
last
night,
why
this
sculpture,
the
tompkins
giant
that
is,
did
not
move
forward,
and
mainly
it
had
to
do
with
some
funding
challenges.
M
There
wasn't
enough
in
in
their
budget
to
provide
for
the
heavy
foundations
that
would
be
required
for
that
particular
sculpture.
This
project
does
have
adequate
funding.
M
We
next
steps
would
be
to
actually
hire
an
engineer,
identify
the
the
specific
foundation
type
and
invite
the
artists
to
come
to
ithaca
and
work
with
community
members
to
build
the
sculpture.
The
sculpture
itself
is,
as
you
can
see
from
envisions,
would
be
a
tower
that
kind
of
resized,
with
two
or
three
bicycles
on
each
side,
going
upward
towards
some
clouds
at
the
top.
M
That
would
you
know
anchor
it
together
and
provide
the
structural
integrity
and
also
provide
additional
opportunities
for
windmills.
The
bicycle
wheels
themselves
would
be
windmills,
too.
The
committee
really
liked
the
idea
of
of
this
sculpture
for
several
reasons,
and
they
they
act.
M
One
of
the
reasons
was
that
it's
fairly
simple
and
straightforward
and
structurally
strong
to
to
construct,
and
but
it
also
provides
an
opportunity
for
creativity
in
the
riders,
so
the
artist
shared
some
examples
of
other
artwork
she's
done
where
she
has
done
animals
using
metal
parts
and
reused
parts,
and
so
the
vision
is
that
each
of
the
riders
of
these
eight
or
nine
bicycles
would
be.
M
Different
animals
and
to
demonstrate
the
diversity
of
different
types
of
cycling
and
different
types
of
people
who
who
bike
so
that's
an
opportunity
for
creativity
and
community
members
to
get
involved
in
in
the
design.
Further
from
here,
you
know,
in
response
to
monica's
concerns,
I
mean
I
think
we
would
probably
all
acknowledge
that
public
engagement
has
been
a
challenge
for
the
last
14
months.
M
You
know
we
I'm
I'm
not
aware
that
the
commissions
have
been
meeting
formally
during
that
period.
There's
certainly
no
agendas
posted
on
the
city's
website
and
you
know,
while
I
was
vaguely
aware
that
the
pruner
commission
was
working
on
a
policy
for
public
art
in
the
parks,
we
we
don't
have
such
a
policy
in
place
and
so
absent
the
opportunity
to
go
to
the
community
life
commission
who
does
have
a
responsibility
for
public
art
or
pruner.
You
know
we.
M
A
Okay
I'll
say
I'm
sorry
I'll
just
say
quickly:
I'm
fine
with
the
sculpture.
I
think
I'm
more
concerned
just
about
the
issue
with
like
not
involving
the
commissions,
and
I
know
that
that's
obviously
the
pandemic
and
it's
not
the
planning
department's
fault,
but
it's
I
just
you
know.
I
worry,
because
we
spent
so
much
time
setting
up
these
commissions
and
we
invested,
you
know
so
many
hours
and
trying
to
get
this
off
the
ground,
and
then
I
mean
the
pandemic
sent
a
curveball
to
everybody,
but
just
you
know
moving
forward.
A
I
think
we
really
have
to
revive
them
and
make
sure
that
they're
involved
in
the
work
that
we're
doing.
I
think
that,
especially
for
public
art,
where
I
think
you
know
we
did
have
a
process
before
where
it
was
like
a
very
the
commission
was
sort
of
approving
them
and
then
they
get
sent
to
council.
I
think,
having
a
commission
that
could
vet
these
projects
and
then
sort
of
give
their
recommendation
to
council
would
be
really
helpful,
and
you
know
I'm
a
little.
A
I
want
to
prove
this,
but
I'm
also
like
a
little
bit
worried
about
setting
a
precedent
where
we're
like
bypassing
them.
You
know,
but
I'd,
be
curious
to
hear
what
others
think
I
saw
donna
and
then.
I
I
M
Well,
we
it
well,
it
was.
It
was
actually
my
idea:
the
the
location
of
the
artwork
was
never
pre-identified,
the
artist
wasn't
pre-identified.
This
was
really
just
a
a
concept.
G
N
M
I've
been
helping
to
coordinate
the
project
from
the
beginning,
pulling
together
the
partnerships
developing
the
funding,
no
city
funding
is
involved.
Of
course,.
M
Yeah
I
started
this.
I
started
this
before
I
started
working
for
the
city.
It's
been,
it's
been
kind
of
a
fun
side,
project.
I
M
See
but
others
have
certainly
been
involved
on
and
I
can
list
the
steering
committee
members.
We
worked
really
hard
to
engage
lots
of
different
folks
just
to
name
a
few
names.
Ben
ortiz
hector,
chang,
molly,
hajjar,
alex
phillips,
was
helping
with
this
john
jensen,
grace
johnson,
megan,
barber
and
rib
ribs
staff
members.
I
Yeah,
I
didn't
know
that
this
was
going
on,
that
there
is
this
effort
underway
to
find
a
piece
of
art,
possibly
to
put
it
in
a
park,
a
large
piece
of
art-
and
this
is
at
a
time
when
a
lot
of
other
city
business
was
not
getting
done
due
to
covid.
So
I'm
just
kind
of
surprised
by
the
priority
placed
on
this
without
our
knowing
that
it
was
going
on.
M
Yeah,
we
actually
put
this
on
pause
during
cover
to
your
point
because
of
the
the
demands
for
our
staff
time
that
we
were
facing,
and
I
would
argue
that
public
art
is
definitely
in
the
purview
planning
and
economic
development
makes
it
it's
important
contribution
to
the
quality
of
life
and
the
vibrancy
of
our
community.
And
it's
it's
something
that
we
care
about
and
think
about
and
do
spend
time.
A
A
It
wasn't
unusual
even
before
the
pandemic,
or
even
with
the
public
art
commission,
that
the
first
time
we
would
learn
about
a
public
art
proposal
was
when
it
came
to
the
committee
with
a
recommendation.
So
that
doesn't
seem
very
unusual
to
me.
I
think
more.
It's
the
concern
about
just
making
sure
that
all
the
relevant
parties
are
involved,
which
seems
like
that
didn't
happen
in
this
case.
I'm
not
really
sure
how
to
fix
that
cynthia
did
you
have
a
comment.
C
Yeah,
I
I
appreciate
seth
and
donna's
comments.
Graeme
and
I
have
been
meeting
with
pruner.
They
have
been
quite
active
over
the
last
six
to
eight
months.
I
believe
that
I
have
been
submitting
liaison
reports
to
the
planning
department,
as
well
as
council,
with
pruner's
meetings
and
their
work
on
putting
together
the
art
and
park
policy.
C
So
I
am
kind
of
surprised
that
there
was
no
awareness
or
inclusion
or
of
activities
of
pruner
with
regards
to
this,
so
I'm
seeing
a
shaking
head
from
from
joanne.
So
if
I
did
not
include
you
on
those
liaison
reports,
but
I
feel
like
I
did-
but
maybe
but
maybe
that's
my
bad,
but
they
have
been
very
actively
meeting.
They
have
different
subgroups
who
are
working
on
this,
as
well
as
a
tree
maintenance
policy.
I
know
ducks
and
seth
had
brought
that
forward.
C
So
subgroups
are
meeting
on
on
all
of
these
work
plans
that
there
they
have
underway
the
opportunity
to
utilize
pruner,
and
these
commissions,
as
I
recall,
was
when
projects
like
this.
That
involved,
the
public
were
coming
forward.
C
They
should
go
through
the
commission
so
that
the
commission
could
be
utilized
as
a
format
to
have
that
public
outreach
and
input
before
it
actually
came
to
council,
and
there
would
have
been
an
opportunity
to
utilize
that
and
when
the
the
giant
project
and
and
others
had
come
forward
without
that
art
and
park
policy
through
pruner
pruner,
was
very
clear
in
their
desire
to
have
that
policy
in
place
before
more
artwork
came
through
so
to
find
themselves.
C
I
think,
behind
the
eight
ball,
when
clearly
a
group
of
people
had
been
meeting
for
quite
some
time,
but
not
including
pruder
seems
quite
a
surprise.
I
know
that
that
the
chairs
have
been
in
conversation
with
with
dan
cogan
and
other
staff
to
to
keep
them
informed
of
of
the
work
that
the
commissions
were
doing.
C
A
A
I
mean
well
dan
cogan's
gone
now,
so
I
mean
which
is
a
big
loss.
Obviously,
but
you
know
this
is
kind
of
reminding
me
of
like
the
cast
part.
The
mountain
bike
trail
situation
in
cass
park
right,
which
was
another
thing
where
tim
loke
had
brought
this
forward
and
then
turned
out
bruno
hadn't
been
involved
in
like
we
delayed
for
a
month,
especially
so
that
they
could
get
more
feedback.
A
You
know,
maybe
maybe
that's
what
we
want
to
do
in
this
case,
just
make
sure
that,
whether
it's
the
youth
bureau
or
pruner
or
the
you
know,
community
life
commission
that
they're
they've
had
a
chance
to
review
this,
and
I
mean
I'm
sure
they're
going
to
approve
it,
and
I
think
we
all
support
this.
That's
just
a
case
of
making
sure
that
everybody's
had
a
chance
to.
M
C
B
Should
I
go
ahead?
Yeah?
Oh!
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
As
I
mentioned
earlier
in
tonight's
meeting
at
a
matcom
meeting
this
afternoon,
there
was
there
were
questions,
and
you
know
quite
frankly,
there
is
some
frustration
about
the
role
of
the
city
commissions.
B
B
But
it's
been
unclear
what
support
the
city
can
provide
to
commissions.
Everyone
is
short
staffed,
it's
unclear
how
commissions
recruit
additional
commissioners
and
what
that
process
should
be.
B
There
are
a
number
of
uncertainties
and,
as
the
uncertainties,
mount
and
there's
some
fits
and
starts,
and
I
think
this
is
an
example
of
something
that
might
have
in
the
before
times
have
gone
to
pruners,
but
we've
all
been
operating
in
a
situation
that
is
less
than
ideal
and
less
than
what
we
would
like
to
see
as
normal.
That
being
said,
it
does
seem
to
me
there
needs
to
be
a
reset
button
on
the
city
commissions.
B
How
are
they
going
to
be
operating?
B
Certainly,
community
life
commission,
as
donna
mentioned
and
joanne
mentioned,
has
not
met,
so
there
has
to
be
a
whole
reset
restart
on
the
commissions,
if,
indeed,
the
city
has
a
commitment
to
utilize
commissions.
I
think
one
of
the
tremendous
advantages
to
the
commissions
is
having
public
input
in
a
number
of
processes,
whether
it's
community
art,
it's
snow
removal.
B
It's
a
number
of
things
that
at
least
pruners
and
matcom
have
been
looking
at
mobility
and
transportation
issues.
Accessibility
issues
I
mean
matcom-
was
all
prepared
to
give
a
presentation
at
the
last
city
administration
meeting
on
the
work
they've
done
on
snow
removal
and
for
reasons
that
made
sense
that
had
to
be
postponed
until
the
next
city
admin
meeting.
So
you
know
I
I
I
just
wanted.
I
just
want
to
say
that
we
we
have
to
reset
restart
re,
invigorate
and
and
redefine
the
the
role
and
the
purpose
and
how
we
move
forward.
B
If
we
decide
that
we
indeed
are
moving
forward-
and
I
hope
we
are
with
the
commission
structure.
A
Thanks
laura
steve
and
then
decadent
comment.
R
I
yeah,
I
don't
have
much
more
to
add,
I
mean
my
my
thinking
is
since
this
location
was
approved
and
there
there
was
the
ambiguity,
I'm
comfortable
moving
forward
and
inviting
them
to
provide
feedback.
I
don't
know
if
we
need
to
do
that
through,
like
adding
a
resolved
or
by
just
inviting
them
to
join
us
at
council
next
month
to
to
reflect
on
that.
R
So
there's
there's
that
and
then
I
think,
since
this
location
was
approved
inside
the
park
in
the
park,
this
was
a
location
set
aside
a
long
time
ago
for
a
piece
of
artwork.
Like
again,
I'm
fine
maybe
represent
I'm
sorry
thanks
cynthia,
I'm
I'd
be
fine
with
them
moving.
This
is
a
weird
back
and
forth.
I
guess
in
the
chat,
but
I'd
be
fine
with
like
representatives
coming
forward
and
providing
candid
or
like
casual
reflections
on
it.
R
M
It's
my
my
understanding
of
the
of
the
process
in
in
the
you
know.
The
before
times
would
have
been
that
it
would
go
to
the
community
like
commission,
for
approval
of
the
public
art.
The
board
of
public
works
would
approve
the
location
in
the
park
and
that
council
would
approve
both
of
those
and
that
the
role
of
pruner
as
they
just
as
monica
described
it
tonight
as
well,
would
be
you
know.
M
Their
interest
is
in
developing
a
policy
and
criteria
around
public
art
for
the
parks
they've
been
working
on
that
for
some
time
I
heard
monica
say
that
it
won't
be
ready,
for
you
know
at
least
another
couple
months
and
then
there's
an
approval
process.
After
that
I
can.
I
can
tell
you
now
that,
if
we
wait
until
we
have
a
public
art
policy
for
the
parks,
this
project
will
not
move
forward
this
year,
which
you
know
we
have
delayed
two
years
already.
M
The
the
artist
has
been
very
patient,
but
I
would
I
would
have
some
concern
from
both
the
funders
perspective
and
the
artist
perspective
about
our
about
the
feasibility
of
the
project.
M
If
we
waited
another
year,
I
think
that
in
terms
of
timing,
if
we
you
know,
if
we
wanted
to
give
it
another
month
and-
and
you
know
really
make
a
push
for
for
more
public
outreach
through
whatever
ways
council
thinks
is
appropriate,
I
think
you
know,
I
think
the
project
you
know
we
can
live
with
that
in
terms
of
the
timeline
and
still
be
able
to
do
it
this
year.
So
just.
R
With
that
clarification
that
I
mean
this
pruner
doesn't
really
have.
I
mean
if,
like
for
lack
of
a
better
word,
they
don't
have
jurisdiction
over
this,
yet
they
haven't
established
that
for
themselves
yet
and
we
haven't
approved
it
yet,
and
so
I'm
fine
moving
forward,
as
is
because
there
wasn't
a
body
to
move
it
through.
R
I
think,
but
I
think
everything
that
laura
has
said
about
getting
everything
restarted
now
seems
to
be
the
right
time
as
mask
mandates
are
being
lifted
for
us
to
be
looking
at
those
conversations
and
seeing
how
we
have
like
an
official
kickoff
for
for
those
meetings
to
start
those
those
groups
that
haven't
been
meeting
to
start
meeting
back
in
full
person,
so
that
processes
like
this
can
can
move
back
through
through
those
those
appropriate
community
channels
before
they
get
the
console.
R
But
again,
I'm
in
support
of
moving
this
on
the
console
and
inviting
pruner
to
provide
feedback,
but
again
since
they
don't,
they
don't
have
jurisdiction.
Here,
I'm
not
too
concerned.
A
Thanks
steve
duckson
and
then
cynthia.
P
I
had
just
a
quick
question:
could
someone
briefly
explain
what
happened
to
the
tompkins
giant
sponsor.
M
I
wish
megan
were
here
because
she
was
involved
directly
joanne.
Were
you
involved
with
that.
D
Yeah
I
was
involved,
so
what
happened
was
they
did
not
take
into
account
the
cost
of
foundations
for
a
piece
of
sculpture
that
large
and
it
also
required,
because
it
was
so
large
and
heavy.
It
needed
a
structural
engineer
to
design
that
foundation
and
they
simply
did
not
have
the
funds
to
do
that.
P
P
You
recall
steve
very
bravely
saved
it
yeah
last
year.
C
So
I
appreciate
tom
suggesting
that
to
delay
this
a
month.
This
would
allow
pruner
when
they
meet,
which
is
the
second
monday
of
the
month.
They'll,
have
an
opportunity
to
review
the
proposal
and
also
perhaps
receive
community
comment.
C
With
regards
to
this,
I
do
believe
that
they
do
have
jurisdiction
over
over
the
parks
and
their
intent
was
to
come
forward
with
a
policy
with
regards
to
you
know:
different
parts
have
different
characters
and
and
making
sure
that
we're
coming
together
with
a
policy
for
different
types
of
installations
that
would
be
appropriate.
What
would
the
duration
be?
Is
this
going
to
be
a
permanent
installation?
Is
it
a
temporary
installation
who's
covering
the
maintenance
of
this
piece
who
carries
the
liability?
C
There
are
all
of
the
policies
that
they
were
putting
together
with
regards
to
this
and
examining
this,
so
it
would
give
an
opportunity
for
them
to
review
the
project
as
well
as,
as
I
said,
do
public
outreach
if
this
were
to
be
delayed
a
month
and
then
brought
back
to
pedc
in
june.
C
I
suppose
it
was
tom's
suggestion,
so,
yes,
I
would
move
that.
We
delay
this
for
a
month
and
bring
it
back
in
june,
giving
pruner
an
opportunity
to
review
it.
A
M
My
goal
cynthia
was
just
to
articulate
the
options
I
mean.
I
I
think
that
the
group
organizing
this
would
prefer
not
to
wait,
but
I
also
you
know,
I'm
cognizant
of
you
know
the
desire
to
not.
You
know,
try
to
push
this
ahead
and
and
not
have
support
for
it,
and
you
know
so.
If,
if
the
committee
you
know,
would
prefer
to
wait
and
do
that
outreach,
you
know,
I
think
that
we
can
still
move
forward
with
the
project
under
that
circumstance.
That
was
my
comment.
C
I
mean,
I
think,
out
of
respect
for
the
volunteers
who
have
been
meeting
in
the
commission
structure
monthly
and
their
work.
I
I
think
it's
a
respectful
consideration.
C
You
know
a
question
could
be
called
as
to
why
we
have
these
commissions
at
all.
If,
if
you
have
people
who
are
spending
hours,
not
only
in
the
commission
meeting
but
they're,
also
meeting
separately,
to
put
work
together
to
try
to
develop
these
things,
and
then
we
can't
wait
a
month
to
bring
it
forward
to
them
for
their
consideration.
C
A
A
A
I
mean
tom,
what
are
the
downsides
of
just
holding
up
a
month?
I
mean,
if
we
relay
to
the
to
the
rest
of
the
team
and
just
say
like
hey,
everybody's
super
supportive,
but
we're
really
just
doing
this
to
try
to
like
make
sure
that
everybody's
all
the
relevant
parties
are
aware
of
this
and
there's
also
the
youth
bureau
too.
Have
they
been
do
they?
Are
they
aware
of
this.
M
You
know
I
just
what
we
we,
we
structured
the
contract
with
the
artist
in
such
a
way
that
we
really
you
know,
we
won't
move
forward.
You
know
with
the
project.
M
Until
we
have
the
approvals
in
place,
there
will
be
some
time
required
between
the
approval
date
itself
and
when
we
can
actually
begin
fabrication
of
the
sculpture
and
that
will
be
to
contract
with
an
engineer
to
design
the
base
and
confirm
the
structural.
You
know
integrity
and
safety
of
the
piece,
and
so
you
know
I
just
think
it's
at
some
point.
We
start
running
up
against
colder
weather,
which
is
you
know,
not
a
desirable
time
to
to
put
up
a
sculpture
outside
and
and
well
and
pour
a
concrete
pad
for
sculpture.
M
So
so
that's
my
concern
is
just
you
know,
there's
they're,
always
these
steps
and
these
steps
take
time,
and
I
just
you
know
want
to.
I
want
to
try
to
move
it
along
as
quickly
as
we
can
to
get
it
done
this
year.
But
you
know
if
we,
I
think
it
is
helpful
to
hear
you
say
seth,
and
I
mean
just
to
get
a
sense
that
you
know
we
want
to
make
sure
to
follow
the
process
and
get
input.
M
But
this
committee
likes
the
concept
generally,
you
know,
and
that
gives
us
enough
sort
of
of
an
of
a
sense
of
support
that
maybe
you
know
we
can.
We
can
start
to
work
on
these
other
pieces
so
that
we
can
be
ready
for
when
we
have
the
approval
in
place
to
move
forward
the
rest
of
the
contract.
So
I
appreciate
you
saying
that
I
don't
know
if
other
committee
members
share
that
view
generally,
but
a
sense.
A
sense
of
general
support
is
helpful
too,
to
move
to
helping
us
move
it
along.
A
Could
we
I
mean,
maybe
we
vote
on
this?
Could
we
say
like
we,
don't
necessarily
need
to
come
back
to
pdc.
It
could
just
go
straight
to
council
in
july.
A
I
don't
know
I
mean
I
I'm.
My
sense
is
that
this
is
ultimately
gonna
be
approved.
I
think
there's
there's
a
lot
of
excitement
about
it.
I
think
it's
a
great
sculpture,
I
mean
so.
For
that
reason
you
know
everything
and
I
hear
what
you're
saying
tom.
I
think
there
is
an
interest
in
moving
it
forward.
I'm
just
really
concerned
about
the
state
of
our
commissions,
and
I
also
think
that
this
is.
A
Everybody
a
curveball,
but
ultimately
you
kind
of
need
somebody
who's
like
who's
who's,
looking
at
all
the
different
departments
and
was
kind
of
looking
at
the
bigger
picture
to
kind
of
move
things
forward,
and
I
think
you
know
I
think
it's
a
strong
argument
in
having
that
kind
of
position
and
we're
currently
missing
it.
And
I
think
that's
one
of
the
reasons
why
we're
struggling
with
this
kind
of
thing,
so
anyways
I'd
be
in
favor
of
voting
to
move
this
forward.
A
But
I
also
want
to
make
sure
that
we're-
including
you
know,
dolores
comments
about
reviving
the
commissions
and
including
all
the
relevant
parties.
Moving
forward.
B
Are
you
making
an
amendment
friendly
amendment
that
to
delay
a
month
and
go
directly
to
council
or
to
delay
a
month
and
come
back
to
pedc?
I
just
want
to
be
clear.
What's
pointing
at.
A
I
think
the
emotion
as
it
stands
is
to
come
back
to
pedc.
I
just
threw
that
idea
out.
There
is
maybe
if
it
was
friendly
to
cynthia.
A
I
C
So
they
would
have
an
opportunity
to
you
know:
do
public
outreach
to
review
the
proposal
and
then
just
present
it
directly
to
council
rather
than
pedc.
A
A
All
opposed
is
that
no
one,
so
I
was
unanimous,
wow,
okay,
all
right!
So
now
we
come
to
the
resolution
itself.
Is
there
any
more
discussion?
We've
talked
a
lot
about
this
all
in
favor
and
any
opposed
donna.
Were
you
opposed.
I
A
Next
up,
we
have
the
etpa
resolution
and
this
was
a
resolution
that
duck
submitted
and
he
compiled
some
resources
with
links
and
a
memo
that
he
he
provided
as
well
just
kind
of
explaining
the
background.
Why
we're
doing
this?
It's
basically
directing
the
planning
director
to
issue
a
study
of
our
rental
housing,
the
vacancy
and
our
rental
housing,
but
only
those
properties
that
would
fall
under
the
rules
of
the
etpa,
which
I
believe
is
properties
that
were
built
before
1974
and
have
more
than
six
units.
A
So
I
don't
know:
if
maybe
we
could
go
ahead
and
move
it
and
then
duck
you?
Could
we
could
open
it
up
for
questions
moved
by
cynthia,
so
a
second
second
by
donna.
So
are
there
I
don't
know
duck?
Do
you
want
to
say
something
or
do
you
just
want
to
like
take
questions.
P
Yeah
I'll
choose
a
little
bit.
You
know
when
the
housing,
stability
and
temp
protection
act
of
2019
was
passed
and
signed
by
the
governor
that
expanded
etpa.
I
do
remember,
cynthia
was
a
champion
of
it.
I
was
skeptical
at
the
time.
I
didn't
really
pay
much
attention
to
it
beyond
that.
There
has
since
been
a
lot
more
community
interest
in
it
and
thinking
about
it
further,
given
his
limited
scope
and
doing
some
reading,
I
became.
G
P
Open
to
it,
given
that
it
was
unlikely
to
trigger
a
lot
of
the
the
major
fears
that
rent
control
typically
engenders,
chief
among
them
losing
affordable
housing
through
condo
conversions.
Frankly,
I
might
welcome
that
because
we
have
a
lot
of
demand
for
condos
and
they
don't
exist.
G
P
P
If
we
get
a
consultant
to
do
it,
it
will
cost
money,
but
I
I
happen
to
think
it's
a
worthwhile
investment
to
kind
of
get
a
grasp
of
the
scope
of
the
problem.
Thank
you.
C
So
I've
been
thinking
about
the
etp
a
lot
since
I
first
brought
forward
the
resolution
in
support
of
new
york,
state
expansion
of
the
etpa
and
the
good
cause
bill
back
in
2019.,
and
I
really
appreciate
ducks
and
putting
together
the
memo
with
all
of
the
links
a
friend
of
mine,
quantile
basemore
was
on
common
council
in
oceaning
in
the
village
of
ossining
back
in
20.
C
I
think
it
was
2018
or
2019
when
they
were
the
first
city,
I
think
outside
of
new
york
city
who
opted
in
to
the
etpa,
and
there
was
quite
a
interesting
experience
that
they
went
through,
which
duction
mentions
a
little
bit
in
his
memo,
and
he
also
mentions
the
experience
of.
I
think
it's
kingston
new
york
and
what
I'd
like
to
highlight-
and
he-
and
I
did
talk-
is
how
we
do.
C
The
housing
study
needs
to
be
carefully
written
in
terms
of
what
it
is
exactly
that
we
want
the
consultant
to
study
what
the
parameters
are,
so
that
we
could
have
the
information
we
need
to
be
able
to
move
forward
in
the
kingston
study,
as
duckson
articulated
in
his
link.
C
They
did
not
actually
qualify
because
their
study
was
too
narrow,
while
the
new
york
state
guidelines
on
what
the
study
should
include
is
vague
at
best
and
all
they
need
to.
All
we
need
to
demonstrate
is
less
than
five
percent
occupancy
or
less
than
five
percent
vacancy
in
any
one
class
of
housing,
not
necessarily
etpa
eligible
housing.
C
A
Need
donna
and
then
steve.
I
Yeah
I'd
like
to
know
about
how
much
it
cost
to
commission
one
of
these
studies,
and
it
would
make
sense
to
me
that
you
would
want
to
know
what
the
overall
vacancy
rate
is.
I
did
read
that
article
that
said
that
you,
the
law,
isn't
clear
about
that,
but
it
seems
most
useful
to
know
what
the
overall
rate
is.
Isn't
it.
P
P
Yeah
I
just
sent
this
point.
As
for
the
cost
kingston,
I
think,
spent
thirty
thousand
and
rochester
has
allocated
forty.
G
R
Yeah
that
does
sound
pretty
steep.
I
so
I'd
be
interested
in
seeing
a
broader
study
where
we
do
have
a
class
breakout,
but
that
we're
able
to
get
an
updated
picture
of
where
vacancy
rate,
where
our
vacancy
rate
is
as
a
city
in
general,
because
there's
there's
been
talk
for
a
while
of
getting
like
a
healthy
city
being
somewhere
between
three
and
five
percent
vacancy
rate,
and
I
haven't
seen
an
update
on
that
in
a
while.
R
So
if
we're
going
to
be
out
in
the
field,
it
would
be
interesting
to
see
how
much
of
an
incremental
change
would
be
to
do
something
more
thorough.
That
being
said,
a
lot
of
the
research
I've
seen
is
is
highly
skeptical
of
the
potential
positive
impacts
and
of
of
rent
control,
even
something
structured
like
etp,
etba,
the
and
even
the
upsides
that
that
I've
seen
seem
fairly
limited.
So
I'm
still
doing
my
research,
but
I'm
at
this
point
I'm
I'm
skeptical
of
the
potential
upside
to
enacting
this
locally,
because.
R
To
get
to
affordable
housing
is
through
a
market
approach
which
reflects
the
evidence
we've
seen
from
the
impacts
of
government.
D
So
I
the
first
question,
is
how
how
are
we
going
to
pay
for
this,
and
the
second
question
is:
what
of
the
top
priorities
in
my
department.
We
have
10
major
projects
going
on
right
now.
Do
we
want
to
drop
off
the
list?
We
are
stretched
so
thin.
I
I
mean
I
I
I
can't
even
begin
to
imagine
taking
on
this
study,
so
I
will
send
out
the
work
program
and
again,
if
you
don't
have
it
because
there
is,
I
just
don't
see
where
we
can
take
on
this
task
right
now,.
C
Yeah-
and
I
think
this
goes
to
both
steve's
point
and
joanne's
point
if
we
take
a
another
month
and
have
a
chance
to
sit
down
with
gino
and
go
through
the
database
and
find
out
how
many
units
this
would
actually
apply
to,
we
could
evaluate
the
the
benefit.
C
Well,
there's
235
in
west
village
alone,
so
you
know
I
did
an
analysis
of
just
in
the
first
ward,
which
is
40
of
the
city,
and
I
came
up
with
like
500
units
of
the
majority
of
which
are
already
income
focused.
C
So
by
being
able
to
do
that
groundwork
ahead
of
time
to
determine
if
if
there
would
be
a
significant
number
of
units
to
justify
the
creation
of
a
a
county,
rent
control,
commission
and-
and
all
of
that,
I
think
it's
a
good
place
to
start
before
we
say:
let's
go
ahead
and
and
commission
a
larger
study,
so
to
be
mindful
of
both
stephen's
comments
and
joanne's
comments,
it's
kind
of
good
to
have
the
answers.
First
before
we
ask
the
question
a
little
bit
and
just
for
clarification
to
steve's
comment.
C
Etpa
is
not
rent
control.
It
does
not
require
that
rents
be
offered
at
below
market
rate.
It's
rent
stabilization
to
say
that
when
a
house
or
when
an
apartment
turns
over
that
that
that
rent
can
only
go
up
by
a
reasonable
percentage
and
that
the
tenant
will
have
a
guarantee
or
a
right
to
renewal.
So
it's
more
rent
stabilization,
it's
not
rent
control,
and
I
we
need
to
be
very
careful
about
that
word
because
obviously,
rent
control
elicits
a
very
different
response.
C
So
if
we
were
to
take
a
month,
allow
ducks-
and
I
and
and
steve
or
others,
to
look
at
our
existing
building
department
database
look
at
when
these
units
were
built.
Do
they
qualify,
get
sort
of
a
framework
it'll
give
us
a
chance
to
determine
how
high
a
priority
this
is
before
we
move
forward.
C
A
D
D
P
Yeah
in
terms
of
priority,
if
I
remember
correctly,
there's
something
on
the
2021
work
list
about
an
affordable
housing
survey
or
study
or
inventory,
and
I'm
wondering
if
that
could
be.
Was
that
slated
to
be
done
by
a
consultant
or
by
staff,
and
and
would
that
be
something
we
could
combine
efforts
with?
P
G
Yeah,
what.
D
It's
not
one
of
the
top
ten,
it
is
on
the
list,
but
it's
not
it's
not
a
priority
project.
D
D
D
So
we
were
trying
to
get
a
handle
on
just
how
many
units
have
come
online
and
then
how
many
units
that
we
know.
M
A
A
Is
this
something
we
could
potentially
partner
with
the
county
again
to
do,
because
I
mean
it's
obviously
like
there's
a
there's,
affordable
housing
outside
the
city
limits.
D
A
You
know,
I
think
it's
worth
a
discussion
because
you
know,
even
aside
from
the
utpa,
I
think
I
think
you're
right
john.
I
think
that's
a
real
it
would.
You
know,
it'd
be
really
important
to
just
now
have
that
information,
and
you
know
to
know
you
know
how
are
we
doing
in
terms
of
meeting
affordable
our
affordable
housing
goals
and
how
much
farther
do
we
have
to
go
in
order
to
meet
yeah?
D
Yeah
I
mean
it
could
be,
I
mean
I
would
really
have
to
think
about
it
and
run
it
by
staff
and
and
talk
to
gino
about
how
accurate
our
data
is.
C
C
All
the
rental
units
are
making
sure
that
the
the
rent
increases
are
going
up
at
a
particular
rate.
C
It
only
makes
sense
once
you
get
a
wider
population
and
inventory
of
units
to
apply
to
that,
to
justify
the
staff
time.
That
would
need
to
happen
in
the
city
and
the
county
level
to
oversee
it,
so
I
think
just
for
economies
of
scale.
It
makes
sense
if
this,
if
this
were
a
county-wide
program,
that
the
county
opted
into
also
so
any
partnership
we
have
with
them,
I
think
makes
sense.
C
C
C
I
I
I
don't
think
we
should
set
up
a
study
so
that
we
can
justify.
I
think
we
should
set
up
a
study
so
that
it's
most
rational
and
makes
the
most
sense
for
our
community.
I
don't
think
we
should
set
the
parameters
such
that
we
have
a
for
ordained
outcome,
I
mean
choose
the
smallest
choose.
Whatever
subset
will
give
us
the
answer
that
somebody
wants.
I
I
don't.
We
shouldn't
choose
our
parameters
that
way
I
I
have
some
I'm
not
ready
to
approve
this.
I
I
would
not
vote
in
favor
of
commissioning
a
study
tonight,
I'm
in
favor
of
collecting
more
information.
I
need
to
learn
more
about
this
myself
and
if
we
could,
if
cynthia
and
duck
and
and
gino
are
willing
to
spend
a
little
bit
of
time
to
get
kind
of
a
ballpark
idea
of
where
things
stand,
so
we
know
whether
or
not
it
might
be
worth
it.
C
P
You
and
I,
as
as
members
of
the
chdf
we
can
reach
out
to
the
decay
more
gala
at
top
sky
planning,
where
martha
who's,
chair
of
the
housing
economic
development
committee
on
the
legislatures,
see
their
interest
in
partnering
with
us
joanne.
How.
A
D
Yeah
I
mean
I
I
I
I
think
you
know
the
more
options
we
have
the
better
to
move.
You
know
to
move
this
forward.
If
it's
something
that
you
know,
everyone
is
really
interested
in
seeing
happen,
I'm
fine
with
with
approaching
the
county
and
seeing
if
they
have
interest.
G
B
Yeah
I'm
definitely
interested
in
in
this,
but
I
have
similar
questions
to
those
that
have
been
raised.
I
think
understanding
the
scope,
the
cost,
both
in
terms
of
particularly
in
terms
of
staff,
time
and
dollars
and
where
other
priority
projects
stand.
I
mean
joanne
talks
about
10
major
projects,
so
not
something
that
likely
we
can
just
displace
one
of
those
other
major
projects
and
and
insert
this.
So
I'm
also
not,
although
I'm
very
interested
in
this,
I
I'm
not
willing
to
approve
this
tonight
without
more
information.
A
All
right
so
so,
I
think
ducks
what
ducks
and
said
is
probably
a
good
course
of
action
on
this
we'll
reach
out
to
the
county
and
see
if
we
can
have
a
wider
discussion
about
doing
a
county
wide
survey.
P
P
Number
one:
completion
of
downtown
plan
with
the
dia
green
street
redevelopment
conference
center,
waterfront
transportation
and
development,
including
the
build
grant
and
dot
permitting
south
side
zoning.
Actually,
that's
one.
I've
been
looking
forward
to
for
sure
energy
code
supplement.
Thankfully,
that's
done
implement
grenade
deal.
P
C
Yeah
and
in
the
meantime,
it
wouldn't
take
long
to
to
go
through
the
rest
of
the
city
and
see
how
many
apartment
complexes
this
might
actually
apply.
To,
like,
I
said
the
first
ward,
which
is
the
largest
ward.
I
think
we
have
like
six,
maybe
five
yeah.
A
I
would
guess
that
for
older
properties,
it's
still
pretty
low,
because
those
are
the
properties
that
tend
to
be
the
most
affordable
in
the
community.
So
I
think
you
know
I.
I
appreciate
what
you
said,
but
I
also
think
that
like
if
we
do
the
wider
survey,
I
think
it's
it's
likely
that
we'll
find
that,
even
though
we've
built
a
lot
more
housing
that
we're
still
struggling
with
a
pretty
low
vacancy
rate
in
the
city.
C
C
Yes,
older
units
tend
to
be
more
affordable,
but
they
don't
tend
to
have
the
best
management,
and
you
know
again:
west
village
apartments,
10
vacancy
rate.
You
know
for
the
longest
time.
So
I'm
not
I'm
just
saying
if
you,
if
you
make
it
a
very
narrow
study
you
may
not
get.
You
may
not
find
that
there
is
a
five
percent
vacancy
rate,
but
the
the
the
new
york
state
requirement
is
not
to
study
just
those
apartments.
P
I
actually
I've
reached
out
to
hcr
new
york,
state
homes
and
community
renewal
for
clarification,
whether
we
could
use
an
existing
study
or
we
could
use
even
census
data.
So
since
this
acs
data
has
like
an
estimate
of
vacancy
every
year
and
in
2020,
it
was
like
four
percent
or
something.
C
P
I
also
brought
this
forward
to
to
gauge
the
committee's
interest.
You
know
I've
been
saying
it's
useful
to
get
the
vacancy
survey
and
I
still
believe
that,
but
it's
also
kind
of
inevitably
a
referendum
on
on
gtp
itself.
So
I
really
wanted
to
bring
it
to
your
attention
and
get
your
thoughts
on
it
as
well.
A
R
I
was
just
I
was
just
going
to
say
yeah
that
that
portion
has
tripped
me
up
a
few
times.
It's
like
number
three.
How
do
we
opt
into
the
program
on
the
on
the
fact
sheet
so
b
it'd
be
good
to
get
clarity
on
that,
because
it
is
it's
worded
a
little
funky
and
the
way
like
the
way
you
explain
it
just
now
cynthia,
it
makes
sense,
but
it's
still
like
the
way
I
was
understanding
it
before.
R
I
can
still
read
it
that
way
and
see
it
makes
sense
here
so
it'd
be
good
to
get
some
guidance
on
how
that
how
that
actually
works
as
far
as
what
we're
serving
versus
what
we're
regulating.
C
A
A
A
Okay,
so
back
to
the
discussion,
so
adult
use
cannabis.
The
state
has
legalized
this,
but
has
created
a
sort
of
licensing
permitting
role
for
local
governments.
Tom's
been
looking
into
what
would
be
involved
with
this,
with
some
assistance
from
some
cornell
students
right.
G
M
Okay,
we're
gonna
forge
ahead,
so,
as
as
you
said,
steph
we've
been
looking
into
this
for
a
while.
We,
we
anticipated
that
the
state
would
pass
legislation.
M
You
know
this
this
year
we
ended
up
being
right
about
that.
We
we
started
last
september
working
with
some
cornell
students
on
a
project
to
look
at
comparable
cities.
M
Examples
of
local
regulation
do
a
deep
dive
on
what
was
the
bill
at
that
time,
which
ended
up
being
the
law,
with
some
small
changes
and
coming
up
and
doing
some
community
research
reaching
out
locally
to
folks
to
get
input
and
then
coming
up
with
a
policy
proposal.
So
they
worked
between
september
and
february
of
this
year.
To
do
that,
I
I
have
a
slide
deck
that
I
can
kind
of
move
quickly
through
and
then
share
after
the
fact,
if
that
would
be
helpful
to
kind
of
frame
the
issues.
M
The
other
thing
I
would
say
if,
if
you're
open
to
that
side
deck
before
opening
it
is
that
we've
also
been
hearing
from
a
lot
of
folks
who
are
interested
in
in
opening
cannabis
dispensaries
in
the
city
of
ithaca.
M
The
types
of
questions
that
they're
asking
are
you
know:
what's
the
city's
process
for
issuing
local
licenses
or
permits?
What's
the
zoning
say
about
where
it's
allowed
may
be
required,
and
you
know
we
don't
really
have
very
good
answers
to
those
questions
right
now,
and
so
I
I'm
hopeful
that
at
the
end
of
tonight
to
get
some
direction
from
you
about
additional
work
that
staff
may
be
able
to
do
to
to
further
develop.
You
know
some
some
policy
proposals.
So
would
you
like
the
slide
deck
or
I
I
swear?
I.
N
G
M
I'm
gonna
be
fast.
I'm
sharing
my
screen.
M
Now
this
was
the
process
that
the
group
followed,
as
I
said
it
involved,
looking
at
comparable
cities,
the
legislation,
the
economic
benefit,
doing
community
research
and
developing
a
policy
proposal,
and
I
want
to
I
want
to
thank
and
name
aj
johnson
and
paul
whitcow,
who
were
the
johnson
park
fellows,
who
helped
us
with
this.
The
johnson
school
has
a
wonderful
scholarship
program
as
part
of
it.
Students
are
required
to
do
community
service
product
project,
and
so
they
volunteered
with
us
over
this
period.
To
do
this.
M
So
the
merchant
marijuana
regulation
taxation
act
was
adopted.
A
number
of
different
provisions.
We're
going
to
talk,
I
think
about
the
what
the
local
governments
can
do,
but
certainly
this
this
this
law
also
covers.
You
know
what
the
state
licensing
process
will
be,
what
the
different
types
of
licenses
are.
It
regulates
medical
marijuana
in
that
program.
M
It
deals
with
the
establishment
of
an
office
of
cannabis
management,
which
is
like
the
liquor
board
for
cannabis.
It
has
some
fairly
specific
provisions
for
the
use
of
state
funds,
which
some
of
which
are
very
very
interesting,
including
things
like
support
for
entrepreneurship,
for
entrepreneurs
from
communities.
Who've
been
disproportionately
impacted
by
enforcement
of
cannabis,
so
I
I
encourage
you
to
read
the
the
state
law.
Some
of
you
may
have
already
done
that
it
establishes
taxation,
this
local
tax
of
four
percent.
M
It
was
at
three
percent,
so
whoever
on
the
state
legislature
got
it
up
to
where
we
tax,
you
know
other
items.
Thank
you.
It's
not
clear
in
in
reading
in
my
in
reading
the
law
how
this
would
be
distributed,
I
we're
assuming,
for
the
sake
of
the
economic
benefit
or
the
fiscal
benefit
analysis,
that
it's
split
the
same
way
that
it's
that
the
regular
sales
tax
is
split
now,
but
but
we'll
see,
if
there's
additional
rule,
making
or
guidance
on
that.
So
what
are
the
local
considerations
in
the
state
law?
M
M
If
we,
if,
if
we
don't
opt
out,
we
we
we
have
to
allow
for
these
in
in
our
community,
and
the
state
will
manage
the
the
license
process
for
these
in
a
manner.
M
That's,
I
think,
similar
to
the
way
that
they
might
manage
licenses
for
things
like
liquor
stores
and
as
part
of
that,
the
state
application
process
does
require
notice
to
the
city,
and
it
provides
us
with
an
opportunity
to
give
comment
to
the
state
office
of
cannabis
regulation
on
that
and
then
there's
some
enforcement
considerations
I'll
go
very
quickly
through
this,
but
suffice
to
say
that
aj
and
paul
did
a
very
nice
comparative
cities:
analysis
where
they
looked.
M
They
basically
found
cities
that
were
like
ours
in
a
number
of
ways
that
already
had
either
established
or
emerging
cannabis,
retail,
and
then
they
looked
specifically
at
those
cities
and
what
their
local
regulations
were
to
try
to
get
a
sense
of
the
range
of
different
approaches.
Those
are
the
cities
that
they
looked
at.
This
is
what
they
found
from
those
cities,
as
it
relates
to
the
whether
they
had
a
limit
on
the
number
of
retail
stores
within
their
community.
M
The
first
number
in
that
row
actually
references
the
number
of
dispensaries
that
they
that
they
had
at
the
time
of
the
study
between
two
and
and
some
didn't
have
any
yet
the
fees
that
they
charged
for
permits,
local
fees,
tax
issues
and
zoning.
A
number
of
the
communities
you
as
you
can
see,
developed
certain
buffers
around
different
types
of
uses
or
buffers
between
individual
shops
in
certain
zones.
M
I
would
note
that
the
state
law
also
has
some
buffers
from
places
of
worship
and
school
grounds
and
there's
a
definition
in
the
state
law.
First,
what
a
school
ground
is
or
is
not.
As
I
said,
they
did
some
community
outreach.
M
I
talked
with
about
a
dozen
folks
folks
in
the
downtown
business
owners
representing
different
business
sectors,
community
members,
city
staff-
and
these
were
some
takeaways
from
their
interviews.
Around
regulation
folks
were
looking
for
clarity
around
what
our
role
is
and
a
general
desire
to
use
regulation
to
avoid
sort
of
a
clust.
The
cluster
of
head
shops,
kind
of
feel
that
folks
were
thinking
about
in
their
heads
about
perhaps
some
areas
on
the
commons.
M
They
were
interested
in
understanding
what
we
can
do
around
displays
and
advertising
signage
around
permits
they
had.
There
was
some
feedback
about.
You
know
we
do
have
an
adult
use.
You
know.
Restriction
was
only
allowed,
I
think
down
on
cherry
street,
although
there's
one
that's
grandfathered
in
downtown,
they
maybe
felt
that
was
a
little
too
restrictive.
M
There
were
some
concerns,
they
didn't
want
cannabis
or
any
one
thing
to
define
what
we
are
on
the
commons,
equity
and
inclusion
for
shop
ownership
was
very
important
to
them,
and
you
know
that
is
certainly
a
big
part
of
the
the
state
law.
In
fact,
there's
a
special
definition
for
what
they
call
a
micro
business
license
and
they
they
they
did
not
list
a
lot
of
requirements
in
the
law
for
that
type
of
license.
M
Instead,
they
said
you
know
we
will
allow
the
the
control
board
to
establish
those
rules
and
regs,
and
they
want
to
do
so
in
such
a
way
that
supports
you
know
providing
opportunities
for
equity
applicants
to
form
businesses
and
there's
also
money
in
the
state
bill
for
entrepreneurship
support.
You
know
business
incubation
kinds
of
programs
and
for
communities
to
apply
for
funding
to
the
state
to
do
those
kind
of
programs
as
well
sorry
around
retail
shops.
M
The
analysis
that
they
did
was
very
simple,
but,
I
think
very
effective.
They
basically
looked
at
those
comparable
cities
and
looked
at
what
the
size
of
the
overall
cannabis
retail
market
was
in
those
cities
and
then
applied.
You
know
a
a.
M
For
a
range
for
the
market
that
we
might
see
in
tompkins
county,
their
projection
account
for
county-wide
cannabis
retail
market,
as
part
of
this
program
is
somewhere
between
six
and
ten
million
dollars,
initially
growing
to
between
14
and
24
million.
M
Then
they
estimated
some
city
tax
revenue
on
the
basis
of
that
projection
and
projected
they
were
assuming
a
three
percent
local
task,
because
that
was
in
the
bill
at
the
time.
You
would
want
to
add
about
33
to
these
projections.
M
If
it's
a
four
percent
tax
and
those
are
some
of
the
other
assumptions
they
made
so
at
the
at
the
top
end
after
market
match
maturation,
we
might
see
new
city
tax
revenues
through
sales
tax
associated
with
cannabis,
so
somewhere
between
280
and
470
000,
I'm
just
adding
33
to
the
top
of
the
chart
there.
M
So
these
are
their
preliminary
high
level
policy
recommendations.
Look
at
buffers
in
the
commons
in
college
town,
perhaps
a
500-foot
buffer,
that
the
map
here
shows
what
a
500-foot
buffer
would
mean
in
the
context
of
the
commons.
You
know
you
you,
it
might
limit
the
number
of
cannabis
dispensaries
on
the
commons
to
no
more
than
two
essentially
through
by
using
a
buffer
of
500
feet
between
shops.
You
know
they
suggested
a
buffer
from
certain
other
land
uses
suggested
a
limit
on
the
total
number
of
shops
of
perhaps
12.
again.
M
They
used
sort
of
a
market
size
and
comparable
city
approach
in
developing
that
preliminary
recommendation
and
suggested
limiting
developing
a
you
know
a
use
definition
and
then
limiting
that
use
to
certain
zones
and
focusing
it
on
the
commercial
zones
and
recommendations
around
access
licenses
and
hours
and
signage
and
no
drive
through
shops
is
one
of
their
recommendations.
M
So,
as
I
said,
you
know
we're
looking
for
some
early
guidance
from
you
all
on.
You
know
direction
for
staff.
M
We
anticipate
that
sometime
this
year,
the
state
will,
you
know,
publish
their
rules
and
regulations
and
that
they
will
put
out
a
call
for
applications
for
licensed
state
licenses.
We
would
like
to
be
ready
for
that.
At
that
time
you
know,
I
imagine
we
will
start
hearing
a
lot
from
interested
entrepreneurs
and
you
know
we're,
as
I
said,
we're
already
hearing
from
them
and
we
don't
have
a
lot
to
tell
them
at
this
point.
M
So
these
are
kind
of
the
questions
that
I've
developed
for
you
to
chew.
On
a
little
tonight
is:
should
staff
move
forward
with
developing
options
for
zoning
changes,
including
the
use
definition
buffers,
a
local
special
perimeter,
licensing
process
and
allowable
zones
and
then
related
to
cannabis
retail?
What
else
would
you
like
us
to
consider
when
developing
policy
options
to
perhaps
bring
forward
at
some
time
later
this
year?
So
I'm
going
to
stop
sharing
my
screen,
so
we
can
all
see
each
other
better,
and
I
appreciate
the
time
to
have.
M
A
Thanks
tom
for
that
overview,
so
any
any
feedback
I
mean,
I
guess
I
guess
I
can
start
I
you
know
I'm
as
a
starting
point.
I
think
I'm
generally
okay
with
the
recommendations
that
they
came
up
with
and
you
know
if
the
goal
is
to
bring
something
to
council
and
have
us
vote
on
it.
Then
you
know
I'm
comfortable
with
these
recommendations.
A
I
It
seems
fine
to
me,
I
would
just
I
think
they
should
be
just
as
consistent
with
current
regulations
about
alcohol
stores
that
sell
alcohol
as
consistent
with
those
regulations
as
possible
in
the
chat,
I
was
asking
what
the
rationale
is
for
keeping
the
shops
away
from
churches.
I
don't
get
that,
and
but
also
in
your
slide,
there
was
something
about
not
selling
cannabis
at
bars.
Why
would
that
be.
M
It's
it's,
actually,
it
won't
be
allowed
under
the
state
regulations,
alcohol.
I
think
it
was
in
the
memo
alcohol.
M
Sell
alcohol
will
not
be
committed
to
south
canada,
so
the
state
has
determined
that
for
us.
Why?
I,
I
don't
entirely
know
why
the
state
has
determined
that
I
mean
I.
I
could
try
to
hazard
a
guess
here,
but
I
really
I
don't
know
why
they
did
it.
I
M
I
do
know
that
there's
there's
some
rules
and
regs
in
the
cannabis
law
that
are
very
similar
to
those
in
the
in
the
liquor
regulations
that
don't
allow
for
vertical
integration
of
supply
chain.
M
You
know
you
can't
you
can't
own
a
brewery
and
and
and
sell
that
beer
in
your
retail
shop
unless,
unless
you're
a
brew
pub
and
you
sell
it
directly
out
of
your
location,
there's
there's
certain
regulations
like
that
that
apply
here
too,
but
I,
my
guess,
is:
it
has
more
to
do
with.
M
M
On-Premises
consumption,
most
of
the
dispensaries
that
we
that
we
look
that
we've
seen
in
other
communities
have
been
more
like
a
retail
shop
set
up
so
and
and
the
people
we've
been
hearing
from
with
interest
in
starting
businesses
here
have
not
been
inquiring
about
on-site
consumption
businesses.
A
C
I
think
it
definitely
makes
sense
to
come
forward
with
some
guidance
and
have
staff
look
at
that.
Of
course,
I
look
at
you
joanne
with
earth
already
all
the
things
that
are
on
your
list,
I
personally
would
support,
obviously
keeping
it
out
of
the
r1
r2
r3
zones.
Looking
at
the
commercial
zone,
I
like
the
idea
of
a
buffer
between
dispensaries.
C
The
term
that
I
had
used
previously
was
the
saturation
limit.
You
don't
want
to
have
like
one
area
with
a
dense
population,
as
was
mentioned
in
the
chat,
the
students
obviously
were
not
aware
of
the
existing
new
root
school
downtown
on
the
commons,
which
means
that
with
a
50-foot
500-foot
setback,
half
of
the
commons
would
not
be
eligible
because
of
that
so
you're
really
only
looking
at
the
east
end
of
the
commons
that
would
be
eligible
under
new
york.
State
regulations.
M
R
State
law
just
to
piggyback
on
that
cynthia,
the
the
also
the
definition
of
like
a
house
of
worship,
because
it
looks
like
there
are
some
like
religious
groups
that
will
meet
in
buildings
down
there.
But
whether
or
not
those
qualify
as
as
religious
structures
would
be
good
enough.
C
Yeah,
I
mean
it's
good
to
know
that,
but
I
guess
I
guess
I'm
hesitant
to
seek
an
exemption
from
for
the
new
root
school
just
because
it
is
a
multi-use
building.
I
mean
part
of
our
goal
is
to
have
multi-use
buildings,
so
then
to
say
that,
well,
your
10
year
old,
that's
going
you
know
to
new
roots,
is
not
going
to
have
the
same
protections
as
as
a
single
used
building.
I
don't
know
that.
That's
something
I'd
want
to
avoid.
C
N
C
Okay,
at
the
golf
course
I
think,
but
or
that
area,
so
that
would
be
very
informative
for
all
the
developers
who
are
looking
to
put
in
housing
family
oriented
housing
there.
C
So
you
know
how
does
that
change
right?
Thinking
about
that,
but
you
know
this
is
coming
it's
good
to
plan
and
and
have
something
in
place
ahead
of
time.
I
appreciate
you
bringing
this
forward
as
well
as
the
effort
of
the
of
the
college
students
to
look
at
this.
Thank
you.
A
D
No,
I
think
you
know-
we've
already
started
talking
about
this
and
sort
of
coming
up
with
some
recommendations,
so
we
just
thought
it
was
time
to
to
bring
counsel
in
to
see
if
there
were
any
additional
things
we're
not
thinking
about.
So
I
think
what
we'll
do
is
come
up
with
a
proposal
for
you
to
react
to,
and
you
know
continue.
A
A
All
right,
I
think,
that's
the
end
of
the
meeting.
So
do
we
have
minutes.
I
can't
I'm
sorry.
I
just
didn't
look
at
it.
No.
A
Oh
all
right
so
look
for
a
motion
to
adjourn
moved
by
laura
seconded
by
donna
all
in
favor,
and
that
carries
any
sleep
all
right.
Thank
you
have
a
good
night.
Everyone
thank.