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A
B
B
Speakers
ask
for
counsel
to
get
involved
in
overseeing
how
the
city
organizations
treats
its
workers.
In
my
response
that
night
I
shared
my
concerns.
With
the
issues
raised,
I
named
the
HR
Director
and
City
attorney
and
expressed
my
displeasure
with
the
policies
and
strategies
they
have
utilized.
That
was
inappropriate
of
me.
B
B
The
HR,
Director
and
City
attorney
felt
unfairly
attacked
by
me
and
forgot.
I
apologize
following
that
night
acting
mayor,
Lewis
issued
a
press
release
and
on
her
first
day
as
mayor-elect,
she
directed
The
City
attorney
Levine
to
lecture
in
the
rate
Council
on
November
9th,
pressuring
us
off
to
a
four-hour
executive
session,
providing
no
opportunity
to
respond
or
comment.
B
B
B
Instead,
we're
subject
to
a
hostile
and
disrespectful
lecture
by
the
City
attorney
I
feel
the
meeting
was
orchestrated
to
intimidate
our
members
and
silence
the
voice
of
our
Council.
This
treatment
of
counsel
is
unacceptable
and
aesthetic
third,
the
city
attorney's
actions,
substantiated
for
all
to
see
the
validity
of
statements
made
by
employees
and
former
employees
that
there
is
a
hostile
working
environment
that
is
allowed
to
persist.
B
Fourth,
employees
raised
extensive
concerns
about
the
growing
number
of
vacancies
in
our
departments
below
Market
wages,
low
morale
and
inability
to
fill
open
positions.
These
are
valid
concerns
which,
if
left
unaddressed,
impact
our
ability
to
provide
essential
services
to
our
community
I
would
have
liked
to
have
heard
a
response
from
the
mayor
as
to
how
the
administration
plans
to
address
these
pressing
issues.
B
A
seven
percent
wage
increase
over
two
years
for
BPW
workers
when
the
rate
of
inflation
right
now
is
eight
and
a
half
percent
is
not
going
to
get
us
where
we
need
to
go.
We
recognize
that
the
city
faces
Financial
limitations,
but
we
must
also
acknowledge
that
our
current
policy
immigration
approach
is
unsustainable
and
bad
for
our
organization
and
our
community.
B
I
am
worried
that
new
employees
will
not
want
to
work
here
and
that
we
will
lose
the
amazing
employees
that
we
have
and
I
request
that
the
mayor
elect
recognize.
That
council
is
a
partner
in
this
work,
that,
through
open
and
respectful
and
collaborative
engagement
with
Council,
we
are
able
to
protect
and
support
our
employees
and
our
organization
and
continue
to
deliver
the
high
quality
Professional
Services.
Our
community
has
come
to
expect.
B
This
is
not
a
time
where
we're
going
to
engage
in
debate.
We
have
much
City
business
on
our
agenda
tonight
which
I
want
to
move
forward
with.
However,
I
also
want
to
draw
council's
attention
to
an
email
that
was
sent
out
this
afternoon
by
the
City
attorney,
in
which
is
is
clear
that
there
will
be
a
resolution
for
the
city
Administration
committee,
requesting
funding
for
outside
Council
for
labor
contracts.
Negotiations
I
sent
an
email,
so
I
may
not
have
seen
yet
urging
us
to
work
together
going
forward.
B
We
have
a
great
deal
of
business
that
we
need
to
accomplish
on
behalf
of
our
city
and
our
city,
employees,
and
that's
what
I'll
say
at
the
moment.
So,
let's
move
on
with
our
business.
Oh
tonight's
meeting,
we'll
start
with
announcements
turn
to
director
Lisa
Nicholas
for
an
update
on
the
unsanctioned
encampments
working
group.
B
C
B
Well
so
and
I'm
sorry,
I'm
Android,
and
so,
if
I
miss
anything,
please
so
I
just
want
to
remind
everybody
of
the
charge
of
the
group,
which
is
to
develop
a
draft
City
policy
regarding
unexcension
encampments,
on
City
on
property,
including
recommending
methodology
for
policy
enforcement.
Given
Computing
demands
for
limited
City
resources
and
a
desire
and
entrepromise
homelessness
and
by
January
2023,
and
evaluate
and
recommend
if
any
City
lands
currently
used
for
unsanctioned
account.
B
That
should
be
repurposed
for
other
public
uses
and
active
management
and
then
and
the
final
part
of
the
charges,
for
whatever
is
decided
to
to
to
identify
the
city's
long-term
role
in
and
that
it
can
play
in
in
solving
on
homelessness
and
supporting
social
service
agencies
that
do
not
do.
C
B
Since
the
last
meeting
of
planning
committee
meeting,
we
have
met
two
times,
we
have
created
a
timeline
and
it
appears
that
we
are
on
track
to
deliver
a
policy
by
late
January.
B
We've
been
working
on
principles
and
assumptions
to
guide
our
work
and
we've
been
reviewing
responses
from
department
heads
that
we
sent
out
a
few
weeks
ago
to
ask
them
what
the
impact
on
the
Departments
would
be
on
a
variety
of
scenarios
having
you
know,
basically
doing
nothing,
doing
nothing
and
the
population
of
encampments
in
the
encampments,
Grows
Where
I'm
doing
several
other
scenarios.
Next,
our
next
meeting,
which
is
on
December
1st,
we'll
be
meeting
with
the
Continuum
care,
who
is
developing
a
long-term
plan
for
addressing
the
issue
of
homelessness.
B
B
And
I,
if
I
walked
back
just
for
one
moment
they
haven't
anticipated,
they
started
committing
to
be
what
it
was
so
I
neglected
to
announce
that
the
city
of
Ithaca
has
received
an
award.
This
is
a
very
heavy,
a
water.
This
is
the
2022
us
Green
Building
Council
New
York,
Upstate
leadership
award
and
it
is
a
community
climate
Champion
award.
B
This
is
really
quite
an
accomplishment
and
there
was
a
Gala
events.
Rebecca
Evans
sustainability,
planner
attended
the
event
yesterday
afternoon.
I
believe
I
was
unable
to
be
there
on
behalf
of
the
city
to
accept
the
award
which
arrived
in
the
mountain
today.
So
this
is
a
very,
very
nice
recognition
of
the
work
that
our
staff
are
doing
on
the
sustainability
and
I
thank
Rebecca
for
being
at
the
event
to
accept
this
award.
D
Hi
everyone
so
I
wanted
to
follow
up
on
our
work
earlier
this
year
that
was
presented
by
Josephine
Ennis,
who
did
considerable
research
on
short-term
rentals
and
different
policy
options
that
the
city
might
consider
if
you'll
remember,
Josephine
came
to
planning
committee
at
the
September
meeting
gave
an
overview
on
some
of
the
issues,
some
of
our
policy
objectives,
as
well
as
how
some
other
communities
have
handled
short-term
rest
rentals
to
address
some
of
the
concerns
that
have
been
raised,
but
still
allow
them
to
continue
in
different
capacities.
D
So
we
wanted
to
give
you
a
report
on
next
steps
and
where
we'll
be
heading
from
here.
So
what
we
would
like
to
propose
is
that
the
week,
the
first
week
in
December,
we
will
be
sending
out
Josie's
full
report
that
gives
a
written
overview
and
as
well
as
an
in-depth
look
at
her
research
on
what
she
presented
in
September.
So
we
will
send
that
out
for
your
review.
We
also
include
a
memo
from
staff.
D
We'd
also
like
to
pose
some
questions
for
you
to
consider
for
discussion
at
the
December
planning
committee
meeting,
so
I
just
wanted
to
send
them
out
ahead
of
time
to
let
you
give
them
a
little
bit
of
thought
in
light
of
her
report,
as
well
as
a
possible
timeline
for
next
steps,
with
moving
forward
with
a
legislative
policy
on
short-term
rentals
in
the
city.
B
Thanks
very
much
Megan
and
I
think
we
all
really
appreciated
getting
the
PowerPoint
slides
from
Josie's
presentation
in
September,
very,
very
complete,
comprehensive.
So
thank
you.
We'll
look
forward
to
the
December
discussion
as
well.
Next
update
her
presentation
will
be
regarding
the
adult,
Recreation
cannabis
use
and
I
believe
that
will
be
Tom
and
Megan.
So
I'll
turn
it
back
over
to
you.
E
Thank
you,
Laura.
Just
a
little
bit
of
background,
so
I
was
asked
to
provide
an
update
on
the
state's
timeline
and
process
for
issuing
cannabis
licenses.
E
So
that's
why
I'm
here
so
so,
a
bit
of
background
New
York
state
passed
the
mrta
or
murta
or
marijuana
regulation,
a
taxation
act
back
in
March
of
2021
which
legalized
adult
use
cannabis,
while
also
laying
the
groundwork
for
the
office
of
cannabis
management
or
ocm
to
issue
various
types
of
licenses
for
legal,
adult
use,
cannabis
businesses
and,
as
you
may
recall,
the
the
mrta
included
a
provision
for
communities
to
opt
out
of
Hosting
certain
types
of
cannabis
businesses,
including
retail
dispensaries.
E
If
they
did
so
by
the
end
of
last
year
for
communities
that
did
not
opt
out.
The
mercha
includes
Provisions
for
local
governments
to
regulate
time,
place
and
manner
of
cannabis
businesses.
We
did
not
opt
out,
and
so
we've
been
closely
following
the
industry
and
the
rulemaking
process
and
options
for
local
regulation
in
anticipation
of
Hosting
cannabis.
E
Businesses
in
Ithaca
sale
of
cannabis
is
still
illegal
in
New,
York
State,
but
ocm
has
been
gradually
rolling
out
rules
and
regulations
for
different
types
of
licenses,
and
so
we're
here
tonight
specifically
to
update
you
on
one
type
of
license
which
we
expect
to
lead
to
the
establishment
of
the
first
legal
retail
dispensaries
in
New
York
state
within
the
next
few
months.
E
So
in
March
of
this
year,
the
Cannabis
control
board
passed
a
resolution
establishing
a
framework
for
conditional
adult
use,
retail
dispensaries
or
card
dispensaries
to
open,
and
you
know
the
goal
of
card
dispensaries
is
really
to
provide
a
leg
up
to
equity
businesses
and
locally
owned
businesses
in
the
New
York
cannabis
industry.
In
September
of
this
year,
the
application
for
card
licenses
closed
they're,
evaluating
applications
now
and.
E
We
are
aware
that
ocm
is
currently
evaluating
locations
for
placing
these
card
licenses.
This
will
work
a
little
bit
differently
than
a
standard
license
in
a
number
of
ways.
One
of
those
ways
is
that
the
locations
will
be
pre-identified
by
the
state
by
ocm
and
then
the
the
licensees
that
win
those
card
licenses
will
be
placed
into
those
locations.
They're
not
issuing
very
many
of
these
in
our
region,
which
is
the
Southern
Tier
region.
They'll
only
be
three
card
licenses
issued
for
the
entire
region.
E
We
have
been
notified
that
the
state
is
currently
evaluating
a
site
on
the
Ithaca
Commons
for
a
card
license,
and
then
a
final
determination
will
be
made
about
whether
to
move
forward
with
the
site
within
the
next
couple
of
weeks
and
if
they
decide
to
move
forward
as
anticipated,
the
state
will
contract
with
a
highly
qualified
design,
build
firm
to
build
out
the
space
into
a
retail
dispensary
location
which
would
open
as
soon
as
potentially
as
soon
as
early
next
year.
E
So
meantime
ocm
will
be
rolling
out
their
Draft
rules
and
regulations
for
their
regular
dispensary
licenses.
E
E
We
don't
yet
know
how
many
regular
retail
dispensary
licenses
would
be
issued
in
the
city
of
Ithaca.
We
do
know
that
the
state
will
probably
work
to
control
the
number,
but
this
is
a
process,
that's
really
being
driven
and
managed
by
the
state,
and
so
we're
just
trying
to
understand
what
it
is
and
I
think
Megan
may
want
to
speak
a
little
bit
about
how
we're
how
we're
sort
of
preparing
for
and
thinking
about
possible
regulation.
In
light
of
the
the
rollout
of
other
types
of
licenses.
D
Sure
so,
as
Tom
mentioned,
there's
a
lot
of
final
details
that
are
still
being
finalized
by
this
state
and
that's
going
to
be
very
important
to
us
in
terms
of
what
any
legislation
from
the
city
would
look
like.
So
right
now
we're
we're
waiting
to
see
and
considering
different
options.
We've
had
some
conversations
as
Tom
noted
that
the
city
is
allowed
to
help
legislate
time
manner
in
place
of
sales.
So
if
we
see
what
the
state
finalizes
and
decide
that
say,
one
example
might
be
a
distance
requirement
between
dispensaries.
D
If
that's
something
the
city
wishes
to
consider,
consider
that
would
be
an
option,
but
before
we
go
ahead
and
start
considering
our
goals
for
that
and
what
the
what
type
of
requirements
or
restrictions
we
will
want
to
put
in
place,
we
really
need
to
see
what
New
York
state
is
coming
out
with.
We
do
understand
that
there's
going
to
be
pretty
strict
regulations
on
signage
and
displays
and
things
like
that,
but
in
locations
from
schools
and
playgrounds
and
things
but
we'd
like
to
to
see
more
in
terms
of
the
general
requirements.
E
I
think
we
just
wanted
to
give
you
a
heads
up
and
answer
any
questions
that
you
have.
We
have
been
following
this
very
closely
and
I'm
happy
to
happy
to
answer
any
questions
you
may
have
and
to
continue
to
update
you,
as
the
state
continues
to
roll
out
the
different
types
of
licenses.
That.
B
F
I
have
a
question
I'm,
not
clear
what
this
was
of.
F
E
Yeah
you're,
absolutely
right,
Phoebe
and
I
I
think
that's
one
of
the
the
things
that
New
York
state
has
learned
from
other
communities
about
how
to
do
this
differently,
and
so
these
card.
These
card
licenses
will
only
be
available
to
folks
that
have
been
impacted
by
you
know.
Basically,
the
disproportionate
enforcement
of
of
marijuana
laws
in
the
past.
E
There
is
a
focus
on
having
card
licenses
go
to
equity
applicants,
which
includes
people
from
communities
of
color,
and
so
you
know,
we've
we've
done
a
lot
to
connect
with
and
support
individuals
in
our
community
who
are
interested
in
because
in
participating
in
this
industry
and
basically
be
an
information
Source
about
what
you
know.
What
the
different
types
of
licenses
are
how
to
apply.
E
We
understand
that
the
Cannabis
fund,
which
is
a
fund
that's
being
set
up
from
the
anticipated
State
revenues,
will
provide
a
special
funding
business
financing
for
businesses,
we're
we're.
We
haven't
seen
the
details
on
that
yet,
but
we
we're
we're
a
resource
and
we're
we're
talking
with
folks
in
the
community
and
we're
happy
to
talk
with
anybody
who's
interested
on
how
they
can
participate
in
in
this
industry.
E
And
it's
not
just
through
you
know,
running
a
dispensary
there's
going
to
be
a
lot
of
other
business
opportunities
from
connected
businesses,
and
so
so
that's
what
we
that's.
What
we
do
day
in
and
day
out
is
support
people
how
to
access
those
opportunities.
F
B
There
I'll
just
jump
into
report.
There
has
been
a
policy
statement
sent
to
all
businesses
and
anyone
who
is
in
violation
at
the
moment
run
the
runs
the
risk
of
not
receiving
a
license
potentially
in
the
future.
So,
but
your
question
is
about
who
is
going
to
enforce
going
forward?
We
have
to
also
wait
to
see
what
the
locations
are
or
the
licenses.
So
this
is
something
that
is
still
in
development.
E
Yeah
I
think
the
state
is
catching
up
to
all
these
illegal
sticker
stores
and
figuring
out
what
to
do
and
probably
recognizes
that
current
efforts
have
not
been
enough.
There
are
it's
not
legal,
to
sell
cannabis
in
New,
York
state
and
and
we
every
time
we
see
one
or
hear
of
one.
E
We
we
immediately
reach
out
to
ocm
the
office
of
cancer
management,
which
we're
told
then
has
issued,
cease
and
desist
letters
ultimately,
I
believe
it's
ocm's
responsibility
to
enforce
their
state
law
and-
and
hopefully
you
know,
I
know
I
know
ipd's
also
been
responsive
in
terms
of
following
up
to
to
restate
the
city
and
State's
policy,
but
I'm
I'm
hopeful
that
there'll
be
more
enforcement
of
illegal
sales.
Once
we
have
legal
sales
established
and
that
ocm
will
put
some
resources
behind
that
ultimately
I
think
it's
their
responsibility
to
do
so.
C
B
B
I
think
the
next
time
we
have
an
update-
and
we
know
more
from
ocm
than
it
may
be
appropriate
for
I'd-
be
doing
them.
You
know,
presumably
it's
illegal
now,
so
is
it
a
problem
now
of
illegal
cannabis
sales
and
how
much
impact
is
this
happening
along
with
those
much.
G
I
think,
right
now
it
is
technically
illegal,
but
one
of
the
kind
of
the
difference
is
it's:
it's
a
civil
violation,
not
a
criminal
violation.
At
this
point,
so
with
the
sticker
scores
as
times
indicated,
we,
when
we
learned
of
them
we've
gone
out
there.
We've
generally
sent
those
investigators
to
speak
with
the
managers
or
the
employees
kind
of
who
owns
it,
and
we
essentially
tell
them
that
you
know
they're
in
violation
of
the
law
and
that
we
will
be
reporting
them
to
offset
candidates
management.
G
It
could
be
fined
and
potentially
be
ruled
out
of
getting
an
actual
license
once
they
are
issued
and
potentially
lose.
You
know
significant
money,
but
as
far
as
collecting
and
really
doing
any
specific
enforcement,
we
really
have
just
been
make
notifications
to
provide
information
just
by
the
way,
the
law
degree,
and
it's
not
part
of
that
civil
law.
B
Okay,
moving
on
in
our
agenda,
I
did
want
to
report
that,
in
terms
of
timing,
the
next
committee
meeting
planning
committee
meeting
will
be
December.
14Th
I've
asked
Alder
person
Gerhart
to
serve
as
interim
chair
for
the
December
meeting
and
he
has
agreed
and
I'm
grateful
for
him,
sharing
that
December
meeting
that
will
be
scoring
at
that
time
and
not
possible,
obviously
to
the
chair
or
to
vote
on
them.
So
thank
you.
Rob.
B
H
B
That
identifies
the
site,
the
proposed
site
Redevelopment
and
we
have
in
the
pack
and
also
history
and
some
of
the
major
changes
identified
from
not
exactly
or
not
to
the
2007
agreement,
so
I'll
turn
it
over
to
Lisa
and
I
believe
there
are
others
here
as
well
and
help
with
any
questions.
B
Yes,
thank
you
Laura
and
also
there's
going
to
be
one
of
the
project
team
who's
developing
that
site.
If
you
have
questions
about
that,
although
we
didn't
talk
about
it,
I
am
going
to
in
turn
turn
it
over
to
Nelson.
Already,
we've
had
a
much
longer
history
than
I
on
this
project.
D
Lisa,
if
you
don't
mind,
can
you
confirm
if
Rob
from
klausner
cook
is
also
in
the
waiting
room,
I.
I
J
Okay
yeah.
So,
as
Lisa
mentioned,
this
agreement
was
originally
executed
in
2007,
with
a
different
developer
and
since
that
time,
in
this
short
15-year
period,
we've
Advanced
to
a
new
project,
a
new
developer
and
some
relation
to
to
the
program
for
the
site.
J
The
good
news
is
that
the
the
city's
own
parcel,
which
surrounds
the
former
Factory
site
and
includes
what
we
call
the
island
which
has
opportunities
to
enjoy
the
waterfall
view
some
some
limited
views
with
decent
views
has
been
completed,
its
environmental
remediation
and
so
that
site
is
now
free
of
of
higher
levels
of
lead
that
it
had
for
the
one
of
the
challenges.
With
that
with
that
Island
site,
though,
was
in
the
remediation
process.
The
height
of
the
island
was
dropped
about
four
feet.
J
So
what
was
a
little
bit
higher
view
of
the
waterfall
is
now
a
little
bit
lower
view
opportunity,
but
the
development
team,
that's
developing.
The
breeze
project
has
Gone
forward
with
a
with
the
with
the
original
vision
of
the
plan,
to
bring
a
bridge
across
the
Raceway
north
towards
the
island,
which
has
a
views
of
the
waterfall,
and
that
would
be
a
public
access
point
in
the
project
where
the
public
could
enjoy
getting
closer
to
the
waterfall
from
a
higher
elevation
and
that's
still
an
attack
component
of
the
project.
J
So
essentially,
the
agreement
is
very
similar
to
the
original
agreement
in
terms
of
the
public
benefits
the
cities
completed
its
environmental
remediation.
The
factory
site,
of
course,
has
been
demolished
and
is
now
in
the
Brownfield
cleanup
program.
They
are
ready
to
go
towards
remediation
to
finish
the
remediation
and
do
the
development
project,
but
to
really
go
forward.
They
need
to
update
this
this
agreement
that
was
negotiated
in
2007
to
update
it
to
the
current
facts
of
the
project.
I
Sure,
thank
you.
Nels
I
think
you
hit
on
most
of
the
key
points
there.
I'm
not
sure.
Did
you
mention
the
option
on
the
smokestack
just
now,
I'm,
not
sure
that.
J
I
I
I
If
the
city
chose
to
do
that,
which
obviously
has
financial
implications,
because
a
very
tall,
very
old,
brick
Smoke
Stack
is
not
necessarily
going
to
hold
up
well
forever,
and
if
the
city
chooses
not
to
pursue
those
angles
and
and
potentially
take
control
of
the
smokestacks
so
to
speak,
then
the
developer
will
be
free
to
do
as
they
see
fit
with
the
smokestack.
So
I
think
that's
an
angle
that
is
worth
us
supplementing.
Nails
is
otherwise
excellent.
I
B
B
No
thank
you.
Lisa
I
appreciate
them,
because
there
were
a
lot
of
very
helpful
photographs
and
images
in
I,
especially
appreciated
having
things
pointed
out,
so
that
I
could
see
exactly
where
the
island
overlooked
the
building
site
in
relationship
or
the
students.
But
let
me
go
ahead
and
read
me
resolution.
B
Now,
therefore,
be
resolved,
that
the
common
Council
does
hereby
approve
the
execution
of
an
amended
and
restated
Redevelopment
agreement
between
the
city
of
Ithaca
and
121
125
Lake
Street
LLC
regarding
the
Redevelopment
of
the
former
Instagram
Factory
site,
and
yet
further
resolved
that
the
mayor
of
the
city
of
Ithaca,
subjects
were
reviewed
by
the
city
of
attorney
is
hereby
authorized
to
execute
the
above
reference
degree
and
inform
substantially
in
components
with
the
draft
attached
here
too,
and
I
saw
more
than
I'll.
Look
for.
Second,
thank
you,
Patrick,
and
let's
return
to
this
discussion
and.
B
So
here
you
see
an
image
that
shows
in
the
Falls
where
Lake
Street
comes
up
or
down
the
hill,
depending
on
your
perspective,
you
see
in
the
middle
of
the
right,
far
right
and
Ithaca
Gun
smokes
that
the
actual
building
site,
the
island
Overlook
and
because
this
is
the
site-
that's
very
difficult
to
see
from
the
road.
Having
this
aerial
view
is
extremely
helpful,
so
here's
a
site
layout.
B
B
B
There's
there's
there's
a
good
picture
of
that.
C
B
The
city
property
is
the
island,
and
the
city
owns
a
the
city,
owns
a
piece
of
property,
long
side
of
the
develops,
and
they
will.
They
will
grant
us
a
permanent
easement
to
get
access
to
the
amendment.
Yes,
they
will
in
fact
they
have
to
Grant
to
that
across
it
won't
be
open.
You
know
24
7,
but
from
like
sunrise
to
sunset,
there
will
be
a
permanent
basement
kind
of
shows.
A
awesome.
B
I
understand
that
it
will
be
a
four-story
building,
there
will
be
77
apartments
or
units
and
77
parking
spaces,
I
believe
yes,
so
yeah
images
and
these
by
the
way
will
be
market
rate.
Yes,.
B
So,
no,
no,
no!
No!
So
that
is
an
image
of
the
building
from
Lake
Street
and
it
will
have
underground
parking,
oops
site
layout
again.
B
That's
the
this
is
a
rendered
site
plan,
so
you
can
see
the
four-story
building
71
units
parking
on
the
side.
This
will
be
the
easement
going
throughs
that
will
access
the
city
property
and,
like
typically
parking
underneath.
One
really
great
thing
that
we've
been
working
with
developers
on
I
think
is
the
extension
of
the
sidewalk
up
late
Street
along
here
they've
worked
for
a
long
time
about
how
to
cross
the
street
safely
and
you've
determined
that
it
really
wasn't
possible.
There's
a
big
retaining
wall
here.
So
we
did,
they
are
going
to.
B
They
are
going
to
fill
the
sidewalk
on
that
side
of
the
street,
so
you
can
go
from
this
property
all
the
way
up
to
Cornell
or
down
without
having
to
cross
the
street,
because
this
is
like
somewhat
difficult
mode.
F
I'm
I'm
once
again,
I
guess
not
so
I
wasn't
around
for
this,
but
once
again
this
is
a
way
of
removing
our
community
right.
When
you
make
place
of
market
market
price,
that's
just
telling
us
gentrification
is
here
to
stay.
F
This
is
not
I
I'm,
just
maybe
I
have
to
be,
but
what
I've
been
watching
happening
in
this
community
this
community
and
we
talk
a
lot
about
making
sure
our
city,
employees
and
this
are
are.
Are
you
know
that
bit
is
not
gonna
in
the
marketplace?
Market
price,
high
value,
I,
don't
know
who
works
with
these
developers
and
and
how
y'all
come
up
with
this,
but
I
don't
see
the
interest
of
making
sure
that
the
people
Weaver
I
represent
are
going
to
be
better
off.
B
This
is
a
new
build
I
believe
we
need
housing
at
every
price
point,
and
this
will
help
our
city
tax
base.
B
I
I
do
hear
what
you're
saying
and
I
am
pleased
that
we
are
seeing
more
importantly
here,
it's
being
built
as
well.
Can.
F
You
tell
me
where
you
keep
saying
that
and
I
keep
hearing
you
with
this,
how
how
special
I
guess
a
real
important
part
for
many
of
our
city
minister
or
whoever
is
doing
this
work
is
to
see
it
grow
financially.
F
But
what
about
people
who
we're
losing?
Who
isn't
their
history?
And
this
is
where
they
come
from
I'm
I'm
a
little
torn
here.
I'm!
Look
because
you
keep
I've
heard
this
come
said
a
few
times
how
important
it
is
to
have
market
value
apartments
and
when
you
do
these
so-called
affordable
housing
that
nearly
as
nice
of
what
anyway,
okay
well.
B
I
just
recently
went
to
ribbon
cutting
at
Founders
way,
which
is
all
affordable.
We
also
have
in
development
181
units
right
next
door
to
City
Hall
all
affordable.
L
And
I
just
had
a
question
about
I
was
a
little
confused
about
the
Smoke
Stack
smokestack
is
on
this
person.
Oh,
it
is
okay
and.
B
C
B
Okay,
so
it's
separated
from
the
development
parcel,
but
it
is
subject
to
the
development
agreement
because
if.
L
And
I
I
I'm,
not
sure
I'm.
Sorry
I
didn't
see
the
details
of
this,
but
in
the
conversation
I
understood
this
city
might
have
an
opportunity
to
to
get
into
an
agreement
to
maintain
that
open
it
on
the
lands
too
or
just
the
smoke.
Sack
that
wasn't
clear.
B
I
Oh
sure,
yeah,
if
that's
helpful,
yeah
right
the
city
has
the
option
and
I
want
to
be
clear
and
nobody's
necessarily
urging
that
we
pursue
it.
This
is
an
option
that
was
built
into
the
agreement
from
long
ago.
On
the
one
hand,
the
smokestack
has
great
iconic
value
for
the
city,
on
the
other
hand,
that's
old
and
very
tall,
and
what
it
would
take
to
maintain.
It
is
a
big
question
mark,
but
yeah
the
city
has
the
option
to
obtain
the
Smoke
Stack.
I
I
L
B
I
I
I,
agree
and
I'll
just
add
that
the
agreement
does
provide
that
if
we
were
to
go
down
the
road
of
obtaining
the
smokestack
that
we
would
need
to
agree
to
maintain
it
in
perpetuity
and
that
we
would
then
have
an
easement
for
purposes
of
accessing
it
and
maintaining
it.
So
we
we
are
given
those
rights
if
we
want
to
go
there
but
again
whether
Council
wants
to
go.
There
is
quite
a
separate
question.
B
Thank
you
to
two
items.
Nels
you
talked
about
the
remediation
of
the
island.
Can
you
provide
just
an
update?
I
know
that
the
Ithaca
Gun
Factory
site
was
the
topic
of
extensive
EPA
remediation
effort,
and
you
talk
about
the
status
of
that
and
to
what
standard
has
the
site
been
remediated
to.
J
Yeah,
the
factory
site
was
a
focus
of
an
EPA
effort,
as
well
as
surrounding
areas
Circa
2004
through
2007.,
and
they
have,
and
then
EPA
has
come
back
a
couple
of
times
to
do
additional
work
at
the
the
base
of
the
Fall
Creek
Gorge
wall,
the
the
popular
walking
trail
to
the
waterfall
area,
and
they
have
just
completed
a
repair
to
the
work
they
had
done
previously
because
we
had
a
large
storm
about
a
year
ago.
J
That
did
some
damage,
but
essentially
they
have
been
continuing
sampling
and
testing
and
removing
contamination
where
they
find
it
and
we've
seen
a
dwindling
level
of
lead
contamination
over
the
last
couple
of
years,
which
is
exactly
what
we
hoped
for,
and
this
latest
round
of
repairs
and
removals
that
they
did
last
year
is
resulting
in
a
transfer
of
responsibility
of
that
area.
J
And
now
again,
I'm
talking
about
not
on
the
site
here,
but
down
in
the
gorge
itself
that
the
public
in
the
Natural
Area,
that
that
is
popular
with
people
walking
to
the
waterfall
to
transfer
jurisdiction
of
that
from
the
epa's
of
responsibility
to
the
state
of
New
York
DEC,
which
is
a
greeting
principle
to
accept
that
upon
completion
of
their
remediation
and
repair
work,
which
was
just
complete
the
last
week.
J
So
we
think
that
that's
an
a
good
step
forward
and
the
state
has
committed
to
continue
to
do
testing
to
see
that
the
levels
are
declining.
Though
you
know,
they've
seen
steady
progress
towards
reduced
levels
of
lead
in
the
in
the
areas.
What
we
think
happened
was
the
factory
site
operations
spilled
over
in
to
the
edge
and
dropped
down
to
the
gorge
floor
and
that
some
of
the
contamination
was
stuck
on
the
ledges
and
now
that
we've
remediated
the
eye
Island,
the
area
closest.
J
You
know
just
above
the
gorge
floor,
that
that
area
that
we
would
expect
to
see
decreased
amount
of
contamination.
That's
what's
what's
happened
over
time.
The
the
site
itself
was
is
a
subject
of
the
Brownfield
cleanup
program.
Private
developer
enters
an
agreement
with
the
state
of
New
York
to
clean
up
the
site.
If
they
clean
it
up
to
DEC
standards,
they
then
get
an
environmental
indemnification
which
is
very
valuable
for
financing
a
project,
because
the
state
will
then
step
in
if
there
is
any
need
for
further
remediation
this
site.
J
Once
it's
completed
the
cleanup
and
they
have
defined
what
the
cleanup
is
now,
the
state
has
agreed
to
what
they
would
find
as
acceptable
remediation
and
the
development
team
is
prepared
to
go
forward
and
do
that.
If,
if
this
agreement
is,
you
know,
agree
is
is
approved
and
they
say
plan
of
approval
process
as
apprentice
as
well,
then
answer
the
question
you're
asking,
or
did
you
have
something
more
specific?
You
were
looking
for.
B
Yes,
I
mean
it
does
part
IAL
site
had
the
hillside
that
we
see
just
next
to
the
parking
lot.
For
example,
I
know
that
that
is
repeated
cleanup
efforts,
I'm
also
interested
in
the
status
of
the
cleanup
of
the
smokestack
site,
which
had
not
only
led
the
tce
contaminations.
If
I
recall.
J
Yeah,
the
smokestack
parcel
is
being
treated
as
part
of
the
factory
side,
cleanup,
so
that'll
to
be
cleaned
up.
At
the
same
time,
the
dec
will
not
Grant
the
environmental
indemnification
until
both
the
smokestack
parcel
and
the
factory
site
parcel
are
remediated
there
is.
There
is
both
surface-led
issues:
shallow
depth,
issues,
a
few
Deep
Pockets
of
soil
issues
and
some
groundwater
issues
that
they're
all
addressing
in
the
remediation.
B
Thank
you,
my
other.
Thank
you
now.
B
B
You
know
when
it
comes
to
private
property,
Property
Owners
when
they
purchase
a
proper
property,
they
get
a
basket
of
Rights
and
that
basket
of
Rights
allows
them
to
develop
within
the
boundaries
set
for
by
council
with
regards
to
use
land
use,
so
the
boundaries
that
we
step
forward
are
you
know,
density
height
and
so
on.
What
we
cannot
prescribe
by
law
is
the
type
of
people
who
can
live
there
right,
we
can't
say
just
Chinese
people
or
just
older
people
who
are
actually
federal
government.
Consider
that.
C
B
Know,
but
we
can't
in
terms
of
private
property,
we
cannot-
and
this
is
a
private
parcel
that
went
through
private
development.
It
does
have
some
government
assistance
who
did
own
part
of
it,
but
so,
in
terms
of
these
commercial
properties,
we
are
limited
yeah.
Now,
in
other
situations,
where
it
was
a
property
that
we
own
like
what
used
to
be
the
garage
and
explore
when
we
sell
it,
we
can
say
we
have
certain
goals
and
we'll
sell
it
to
the
people,
we're
going
to
meet
our
goals.
C
B
We
use
those
opportunities
to
mold
the
development
we
want
to
see,
but
in
terms
of
a
private
development
and
private
use,
there
are
limits
as
to
what
the
government
can
do.
We
can
offer
incentives,
we
can
encourage
you,
know,
partnership
with
certain
developers
or-
or
you
know,
tax
credit
programs,
but
in
terms
of
legislating
over
private
property
that
that
is
not
I
mean
at
least
I
can
correctly.
Obviously
she
wants
to
currently.
B
B
This
site
is
also
unique
in
in
that
the
city
has
wanted
it
redeveloped
for
decades
and
it's
incredibly
intense.
So
it
has
a
value
just
to
be
developed
up
from
the
fund.
You
know
contaminated
Factory
site
to
some
kind
of
other
use,
so
a
site
like
that
it
would
be
hard
to
make
the
numbers
work,
I,
think
more
affordable
housing
for
money.
B
K
One
that
might
be
also
help
with
you
is
I
think
something
else
we
see
in
terms
of
keeping
communities
as
as
Courthouse
population
their
student
population
grows.
They
move
it
deeper
into
the
town
people
from
their
homes
where
they've
been
for
decades.
This
is
new
housing,
pretty
close
to
pour
out
so
as
much
as
those
market
value.
It's
you
know.
I
was
like
looking
at
the
map.
K
K
Okay,
that's
good
to
know,
and
then
the
last
quick
thing
I
had
it's:
okay,
if
your
number's
not
right
there
right
now,
but
how
much
would
it
I
was
just
curious
as
to
what
do
you,
if
you
had
an
estimate
for
that
cost
of
we're?
Gonna,
look
at
the
smokestacksavers
sure,
but
I
know
that
kind
of
thing.
If
we
were
to
do
an
assessment,
how
much
for
that
assessment
costs.
B
We
have
we
have
gotten
some
estimates
for
structural
assessments
but
and
they're
in
the
what
were
they
in
the
25
to
50
000
range,
but
we
also
asked
Brian
to
crack
in
the
neighborhood
store,
because
they've
been
planner
to
look
at
this
and
see
if
there
was
a
company
that
specialized
in
this
particular
type
of
feature,
because
it
could
have
historic
significance
and
we
haven't
gotten
the
price
back
to
that.
Thank
you.
I
Again,
oh
thank
you.
Yes,
yeah!
That's
perfect
timing,
just
to
follow
up
on
the
smokestack
point
and
following
on
Rob's
previous
question
Tom.
If
anybody
wants
to
see
more
about
the
particular
Provisions
around
opportunity
to
acquire
the
smokestack
if
the
city
wanted
to
go
in
that
direction,
it's
at
the
bottom
beginning
in
the
paragraph,
that's
numbered
eight
number,
eight,
which
is
beginning
at
the
bottom
of
the
third
page
of
the
development
agreements
in
your
agenda,
packets
and
then
running
through
the
fourth
page
down
until
just
above
the
paragraph.
That's
numbered
nine.
I
In
fact,
it's
the
on
the
end
of
that
section
that
I
just
described
it
actually
describes
the
specific
ability
to
acquire
it
in
the
end
and
I
do
want
to
slightly
correct
what
I
said
earlier
to
clarify
that
Rob
to
your
question,
we
would
if
we
were
to
exercise
that
option
I
believe
we
would
be
acquiring
the
little
tiny
parcel
that
contains
the
smokestack,
so
I
think
it's
not
I'm,
literally
just
the
Smoke
Stack,
it's
that
bit
of
land
around
the
Smoke
Stack
as
well,
which
would
be
conveyed
to
us,
along
with
an
easement
across
the
other
Parcels
to
access
that
parcel.
I
I
I
believe
the
former.
If
Council
wants
to
go
in
this
Direction,
that's
something
we'd
want
to
give
a
very
careful
and
hard
look
for
sure.
B
C
B
Comments
questions
you've
seen
that
the
developers
here
as
well
as
Lisa
mentioned.
I
And
when
we
say
that
decision,
there's
six
months
from
the
expert
from
the
execution
of
this
agreement
to
make
a
decision
about
whether
to
participate
in
the
cost
of
the
structural
assessment
of
the
Smoke
Stack
and
then
some
additional
time
after
we
get
that
report
to
not
to
decide
whether
to
acquire
the
Smoke
Stack.
B
Yeah
Ari,
thank
you
for
pointing
to
that
point
in
the.
I
B
Okay,
again,
just
a
reminder
that
the
vote
tonight
that
we're
considering
is
to
send
this
on
to
council,
as
everyone
understands,
there
will
then
be
opportunity
for
full
Council
to
review
this
and
discuss
it
and
ask
questions
and
obviously,
for
the
community
task
Edition
questions
like
that
tonight:
okay,
so
we're
ready
to
go
all
those
in
favor
of
moving
this
on
to
council.
B
B
And
Lisa
and
Jen
and
Ari
I
will
turn
this
over
to
you
just
to
say
that
there
is
once
again
a
very
helpful
cover
memo
to
this
item.
I
am
going
to.
C
B
You
all
right,
so
thank
you
very
much.
We
have
before
you
tonight
a
presentation
on
a
proposal
for
a
new
Public
Safety
facility.
B
L
B
Evaluate
City
facilities
and
for
the
reasons
that
we'll
show
in
this
presentation
the
facility
currently
housing,
Police
Department,
was
identified
as
the
as
the
most
urgent
facility.
B
So
we'll
be
talking
about
the
work
that
the
committee
has
done,
the
problems
and
conditions
of
the
current
police
facility,
the
timing,
the
the
Alternatives
considered
the
proposal
and
the
next
steps.
C
B
Okay,
so
the
evaluation
of
City
facilities.
So,
as
I
said
in
2016,
the
mayor
point
is
succeeding:
facilities,
Master
planning
committee
to
evaluate
existing
City
facilities
and
make
recommendations
for
improvements,
relocations
and
consolidations
and
the
master.
The
city
Master
planning
facility
committee
is
imposed
of
superintendent,
Public,
Works,
City
attorney,
City
controller
Nelson,
director
of
Ira,
director
of
planning,
John
Kushner
senior
planner
there
and
the
the
chair
of
the
ca
committee,
Robert
Canton
Ohio.
B
So
the
group
in
2016,
the
group
Toradol
City
facilities
and
hired
a
consultant
to
evaluate
the
space
needs
and
the
conditions
of
all
the
buildings,
and
despite
the
fact
that
we
have
many
old
buildings,
the
if
the
police
department
was
identified
still
as
the
building
with
the
most
safety
concerns,
space
needs
and
storage
capacity
and
repair
and
required
repairs.
And
so
this
all
happened
several
years
ago
and
and
there
was
a
bit
of
a
pause
during
the
pandemic.
B
But
in
2022
we
reconvene
and
hired
another
consultant
Mitchell
Associates
to
kind
of
re-check
the
work
that
had
been
done
previously
and
make
sure
that
space
needs
and
conditions
were
still
were
still
the
same
and
they
verified
that.
This
was
still
a
top
priority,
so
so
the
problem
that
has
been
identified,
but
the
thing
is
that
and
that
will
bring
to
you-
is
that
the
building
currently
housing,
the
Ithaca
Police
Department
no
longer
needs
the
needs.
B
The
community
due
to
its
inadequate
size
or
interior
layout
functionality
and
advanced
state
of
deferred
maintenance
of
systems.
In
this
current
state,
it
does
not
provide
a
fully
ADA,
Compliant,
healthy,
respectful
and
inclusive
environment
for
civilian
and
law
enforcement
staff,
victim
suspects
visitors.
B
In
addition,
the
city
is
faced
with
a
decision
fairly
urgent
about
investing
in
several
expensive
repairs
needed
in
the
next
two
to
five
years.
Following
about
two
and
a
half
million
dollars
and
the
full
renovation
we've
studied
this
a
bit
and
gotten
a
professional
opinion.
A
full
renovation
of
the
building
would
be
a
comparable
cost
to
a
new
facility
in
a
different
location,
but
would
not
also
provide
any
additional
space
and
wouldn't
solve
the
layout
problems.
B
M
B
B
Jen
Kushner
will
bring
us
through
the
conditions
in
a
minute
in
the
next
slides,
but
renovation
at
the
women's
locker
room
would
cost
about
350
000
HVAC
replacement
would
be
about
2
million
and
a
need
for
a
vehicle
in
a
kind
of
garage
is
about
a
hundred
thousand
so
I'm
going
to
let
Jen
take
you
through
some
of
the
conditions
in
the
building
and
which
will
explain
why
it
was
is
a
priority
project.
H
Thanks,
so
we
just
wanted
to
give
you
a
really
brief
overview
of
some
of
the
conditions
in
the
that
exist
in
the
building
that
made
this
a
priority
for
the
facilities
committee.
H
So
the
images
you're
seeing
here
are
the
building
entrances
on
the
bottom.
Here
is
the
sally
port
carport
area,
air
of
the
building,
and
this
is
a
shared
area
that
is
used
by
officers
to
bring
in
Witnesses
victims
suspects
all
in
the
same
space,
it's
poorly
laid
out
and
it's
very
tight
and
it
creates.
There
are
several
areas
that
create
very
tight
spaces,
for
where
officers
may
be
put
into
very
small
confined
areas
with
suspects.
H
There
are
security
risks
because
there
are
hidden
areas
that
are
are
unmonitored
and
concealed
locations,
there's
no
separate
entry,
Port
to
transfer
juveniles
or
or
members
of
the
public,
the
upper
area.
The
upper
image
here
is
once
you
get
into
the
building.
This
is
a
shared
space
where
they
are
doing
fingerprints
and
entering
people
in
and
doing
it
and
taking
pictures
all
in
the
same
space.
The
door
swings
into
the
space
where
the
person
is
sitting
and
the
officers.
It's
very
tight.
H
There's
very
limited
space
and
there
there
really
isn't
much
room
to
move
around.
You
can
go
on
to
the
next
slide.
Thanks.
H
Okay,
another
issue
that
causes
a
lot
of
security
risk
in
the
building
are
the
shared
spaces.
So
what
you're,
seeing
here
in
the
upper
image
is
a
waiting
area?
That's
shared
for
again
Witnesses
suspects,
members
of
the
public
juveniles.
Everybody
is
passing
through
the
same
place,
which
can
create
a
situation
where
a
victim
of
physical
or
mental
trauma
may
have
to
cross
Pathways
with
a
suspect.
H
It's
not
it's
not
a
safe
or
ideal
situation.
Also,
members
of
the
public
that
might
be
visiting
the
the
the
facility
would
also
cross
in
the
same
space
where
suspects
may
be
transported
that
includes
the
elevator
is
also
a
shared
space.
There's
only
one
elevator
that
is
often
not
working
also
and
and
it
creates
an
unsafe
situation.
H
H
They're
excuse
me,
they're
a
non-functioning
showers
they're,
the
lockers
are
all
undersized
and
they're
unventilated,
there's
not
enough
room
to
store
their
uniforms
and
their
gear
and
their
boots
and
everything
and
there's
no
way
to
dry
anything.
Some
of
the
lockers
are
being
used
for
storage
space
because
they
have
very
limited
record
and
file
storage.
H
The
the
uniforms
and
gear
are
being
hung
on
the
outside
of
lockers
because
they
don't
fit
and
the
pathway
between
them
is
so
limited
that
you
can't
open
lockers
from
both
sides
at
the
same
time,
and
so
there
isn't
enough
room
to
move
around
and
the
next
image
is
more
of
the
locker
room
images,
and
it
shows
that
one
of
the
showers
is
actually
being
used
for
storage
space.
H
H
Record
storage
is
also
a
major
problem.
Files
are
being
stored
everywhere
under
desks
in
the
hallways.
The
image
on
the
on
the
lower
picture
there
actually
shows
records
are
stored
in
in
a
vent
room
that
is
above
the
elevator,
where
the
arrow
is
pointing
and
staff
has
to
get
a
ladder
to
climb
up
there
and
and
get
the
access
to
the
files.
So
there's
there's
just
no
room
for
any
file
storage
anywhere
in
the
building.
H
It's
just
kept
everywhere
and
in
the
workspaces,
and
it
creates
a
very
chaotic
space.
H
B
In
addition,
as
many
of
us
know,
or
we,
there
is
a
rising
cost
of
both
land
values
and
construction
costs,
so
there's
a
certain
you
know
there
is
a
cost
of
waiting
on
this.
We
are
seeing
a
lot
of
development,
as
you
know,
so
the
availability
of
appropriate
undeveloped
land
in
an
appropriate
location
is
low.
If
we're
not
going
to
find
a
you
know
a
new
location,
we're
not
going
to
pick
a
location,
that's
fully
developed,
it
would
have
to
be
something
that's
underdeveloped
or
undeveloped.
B
So
that's
a
consideration
and,
in
addition,
a
new
facility
would
allow
for
potential
restructuring.
Expansion
of
the.
B
We
did
look
at
in
evaluating
this.
We
did
look
at
some
Alternatives.
We
looked
at
renovating
the
current
facility
reconstruction
of
the
new
facility
on
the
parking
lot
across
the
street
and
reconstruction
of
a
new
facility
on
the
same
location.
We
didn't
do
an
incredibly
in-depth
study
in
this.
We
did
ask
a
professional
to
give
an
evaluation,
so
the
first
one
renovating
the
current
facility,
though
you
know
that
building
was
not
built
for
its
purpose.
B
B
You
couldn't
expand
if
there's
very
limited
ability
to
expand
the
footprint
work
to
go
up
on
the
building,
so
you
really
couldn't
ever
make
it
to
the
size
that
is
needed
and
then,
in
addition,
if
you
were
to
fully
renovate
the
building
and
not
even
get
what
the
size
and
the
layout
you
would,
that
would
be
ideal.
B
You
would
have
to
relocate
staff
for
quite
a
long
amount
of
time
in
order
to
do
that
and
it
was,
we
did
get
a
professional
opinion
that
the
cost
would
be
very
comparable
to
reconstruction
part
of
a
new
side
on
the
location.
B
We
did
also
ask
about
reconstruction
of
the
new
facility
on
the
other,
the
parking
lot
site
and
again
it's
a
comparable
cost,
but
the
site
isn't
really
large
enough
and
then
reconstructing
a
new
facility
on
a
new
location
in
a
new
location
was
the
alternative
that
seemed
the
most
the
most
logical.
Given
all
the
other
factors.
B
When
again,
we
had
Mitchell
Associates,
look
at
at
a
new
facility,
they're,
estimating
that
it
would
be
approximately.
We
need
approximately
44
000
square
feet
for
the
total
building,
with
approximately
1900
foot
square
footprint.
Again
this
is
a
conceptual
that
could
change,
but
this
is
we're
just
talking
about
scale.
So
this
this
is
the
scale
of
the
of
the
project.
We
would
include
a
public
meeting
space,
it
would
need
about
84
parking
spaces
and,
at
the
estimated
to
be
a
cost
of
between
20
and
30..
B
Again,
this
is
about
scale.
This
is
not
exact,
but
this
is
the
estimate
and
the
given
the
sale
of
the
existing
facility
in
the
parking
lot.
The
sale
of
the
existing
facility
and
the
parking
lot
would
be
estimated
to
be
about
2
million.
Is
anybody
on
the
does?
Anybody
else
want
to
add
anything
to
this?
What
I'm
saying
so
far.
B
So
next
steps
and
decision
points
you
do
have
a
resolution
in
your
in
your
packet
Ari.
Would
you
like
to
walk
us
through
that.
I
I
That's
been
meeting
for
you
know
since
2016,
with
a
pause
for
the
pandemic,
and
it
also
walks
through
the
Consultants
that
Lisa
mentioned
both
Kingsbury
Architects
and
the
Mitchell
Associates,
and
then
the
bottom
line
is
that
if
Council
would
like
to
move
forward
in
this
direction,
the
resolution
provides
an
opportunity
for
Council
to
authorize
up
to
four
million
dollars
to
enable
a
site
acquisition
process
to
commence.
I
There
would
obviously
be
many
other
Council
touch
points
along
the
way
before
a
facility
was,
it
came,
came
to
to
into
reality,
but
but
this
would
be
a
crucial
step
if
Council
wants
to
move
in
that
direction.
Thank
you.
B
Thank
you.
I
will
add
that
council
members
have
been
encouraged
to
take
a
tour
of
the
activity
facility
and
I
believe
a
number
of
my
colleagues
have
done
so.
The
slides
are
very
helpful,
but
I
think
actually
walking
through
the
building
gives
you
a
first-hand
view
of
the
constraints
of
the
the
current
building
acting
Chief
Jolie
is
here
tonight
to
answer
you're
going
to
answer
any
questions.
Are
there
any
comments
or
questions
from
pretty
members?
At
this
point.
B
Okay,
thank
you.
So
the
resolution
that
is
in
front
of
us
tonight
Ari
just
walked
through
it.
So
I
will
just
read
the
result,
because
Lisa
very
thoroughly,
Lisa
and
Jen
have
covered
all
the
information
and
then
Ari
mentioned
stallion
points
too.
So
the
resolve
is
the
common
household
does
hereby
establish
Capital
project
917
for
a
public
safety
facility
in
an
initial
amount
not
to
exceed
four
million
dollars,
be
it
further
resolved
that
such
funds
shall
be
derived
from
the
issuance
of
Serial
bonds
Patrick
seconds.
F
Sure
I'm,
sorry,
yes,
I
just
need
to
know
yeah
I'm,
not
clear
of
when
y'all
say
what
what
what
will
the
support
million
dollars
do
like
like
it
says
issuance,
so
what
what?
What
will
it
be
doing
it?
It's
not
gonna,
be
a
part
of
helping
to
build
it
or
you
know
constructing
them.
This
is
just
to
get
to
hire
someone
to
look
at
look
around.
Oh.
I
No
great
question
this
is:
this:
is
to
actually
buy
land
to
start
a
process
of
acquiring
of
site
acquisition
to
acquire
land,
so
that
so
that
the
process
could
then
move
forward.
Okay,.
B
Okay,
ready
to
vote
all
in
favor
of
holding
this
on
the
council
and
that
passes
5-0
thanks
so
much
and
thank
you
to
Lisa
and
Jen
for
a
very
helpful
presentation
and
the
PowerPoint
slides
will
be
shared.
C
I
And
I'm
sorry
Laura
can
I
can
I.
Add
one
tiny
thing
to
that.
Very
briefly,
thank
you,
which
is
just
to
say
the
the
predominant
use
would
would
be
to
buy
land.
It
is
possible
that
other
ancillary
costs
associated
with
the
project
can
also
be
covered
by
on
those
ones.
Thank.
B
Okay.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Now
we
have
a
an
item
or
circulation
and
I'll
turn
it
over
to
Lisa
again.
B
I
will
just
add
that
this
this
is
to
consider
the
a
new
commission
to
add
to
the
four
existing
commissions,
and
this
would
be
a
commission
to
focus
on
sustainability
and
again.
Lisa's
covered
in
a
memo
covers
a
great
deal
of
the
detail,
so
I
will
turn
it
over
to
Lisa
again
yeah.
Thank
you.
Laura
and
Ari.
Is
here
too,
who
drafted
the
legislation
so.
B
So
we
are
proposing
and
the
we
are
proposing
the
establishment
of
a
new
commission
which
could
be
named
the
sustainability
and
climate
Justice
Commission,
and
this
is
because
the
sustainability
work
that
the
committee
that
the
council
has
committed
to
is
bringing
forward
lots
of
proposals
in
a
fairly
rapid
base
and
there
really
needs
to
be
advisory.
A
dedicated,
Advisory
Board
to
oversee
this,
to
get
public
comment
for
it
to
vet
proposals
and
plans
before
as
they're
going
through
an
approval
process.
B
So
we
looked
at
various
options
for
that
and
really
thought
that,
since
there
were
already
commissions
and
what
the
Community
Life
Commission
adds
sustainability
in
its
charge.
But
at
that
time
the
commission
was
made,
sustainability
was
and
didn't
have
wasn't
a
whole
initiative
that
the
city
was
undertaking.
It
was
just
threaded
through,
so
we
are
recommending
that
we
establish
an
advisory
commission
dedicated
to
the
work
of
sustainability,
to
help
support
it
and
get
public
comment,
and
we
have
the
guidance
of
professionalism
and
subject
area
experts
and
all
the
other
things
that
I
mentioned.
B
B
None
of
them
have
been
needing
for
I
guess
the
last
couple
years.
So
this
makes
sense
if
we
have
active
operational
advisory
groups.
B
So
is
there
an
intent
to
reopen
all
of
those
advisory
boards
as
they
are
described
in
our
code
and
Charter?
There
I'll
take
a
first,
a
response
to
that.
There
was
a
working
group
assigned
tasked
by
the
former
mayor
to
look
at
and
review
commissions.
B
As
I
mentioned,
there
have
been
four
commissions,
they
were
a
pause
they
were
suspended
during
covet,
but
there
is
a
plan
and
a
process
in
place
for
restarting
those
those
commissions,
all
four
and
one
I
hope
will
be
all
filed
permissions.
The
other
boards
and
commissions
you
mentioned
some
of
them
have
either
met
met.
Virtually
members
have
been
appointed
to
a
number
of
those
commissions
and
committees.
So
it's
up
to
those
committees
to
issue,
so
they
have
not
a
problem
system.
C
B
As
which
I
was
liaison
to,
they
were
instructed
directly
not
to
me
that
their
membership
was
was
disbanded,
so
they
have
not
been
leaving
because
they
were
instructed
longitude.
So
I
know
that
this
Advisory
Board,
this
working
group
has
been
meeting
over
the
last
two
years.
I
understand
before
the
plan
to
reopen
these
commissions
and
I'm
I'm
wondering
what
what
the
product
of
their
their
work
has
been
and
have.
They
made
a
recommendation
of
how
to
re-initiate
The
Advisory
groups
and
include
this
one
in
a
yeah.
B
Well,
the
commissions
before
that
I've
referred
to
were
paused.
There
was
no
step
in
support
available
and
there
must
be
for
the
commissions.
B
There
was
no
infrastructure
in
place
for
commissions
to
to
meet,
and
that
is
why
they
were
suspended
and
they
were
also
suspended
so
that
there
was
opportunity
to
evaluate
the
effectiveness
and
how
to
move
forward
with
permissions
commissions
were
implemented
at
a
time
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
Rob,
because
he
was
Central
to
the
initial
formation
of
of
the
commissions
and
I
believe
on
the
working
group
that
was
chaired
by
former
alderperson
wallenhoff
included.
B
All
the
person
with
heart
and
all
person
can
tell
them
all
and
Faith
Barbara
also
served
on
that
commission.
So,
yes,
there
should
be
a
report
that
can
be
shared.
L
Yeah
I'll,
add
I,
believe
we
had
the
other.
This
word
older
person
on
the
working
group,
and
so
she
became
active
mayor
I,
think
raised
hot
second
and
so
that
that
work
group
has
not
been
in
action
for
the
last
two
years.
It
only
was
founded
last
year
late
in
the
year
and-
and
you
may
remember
also
that
one
of
the
things
we
were
addressing
as
the
working
group
was
to
align
the
position
we
funded
in
this
year's
budget
this
year,
meaning
2022.
L
to
support
commissions
and
so
I'm,
not
sure
where
that
sits
right
now
in
in
coming
forward.
But
that
was
one
of
the
elements
that
was
going
to
help
us
bring
back
the
commissions
from
a
staffing
standpoint,
because
that
position
was
at
least
considered
initially
to
be
the
position.
That's
staffed,
all
four
commissions.
L
So
if
I
could
switch
gears
to
a
question
about
this,
so
I
think
logistically.
That's
that
raises
an
interesting
question
about
how
we're
going
to
stay
on
now,
five
advisory
commissions
and
whether
you
know,
as
as
we
were
coming
forward
with
some
suggestions
about
how
to
bring
the
commissions
out
of
pause.
L
There
was
also
some
conversation
about
how
we
would
ensure
that
the
structure
of
the
commission's
two-
you
know
two
years
later
or
now,
maybe
a
little
more
than
two
years
later,
would
if
they
needed
any
kind
of
tweaking
right,
so
that
there
might
be
some
rebalancing
of
the
activities
that
each
commission
would
be
responsible
for.
So
in
in
considering
the
fifth
commission
I'd
love
to
have
a
better
sense
of
whether
there
was
any
opportunity
to
do
that
kind
of
rebalancing
in
a
way.
L
That
would
help
allow
us
to
maintain
four
commissions
and
therefore
only
have
the
staff
poor
commissions
and,
as
a
reminder
to,
we
were
all
very
hopeful
that,
on
the
other
side
of
having
this
new
position,
we
would
that
position
would
take
play
a
huge
role
in
recruiting
volunteers
to
staff
these
commissions
as
Commissioners,
and
not
only
these
four
commissions,
but
any
of
our
other
boards
and
committees
and
commissions
that
needed
citizen
volunteers,
because
we
had
a
really
struggled
with
that
in
the
you
know,
prior
to
the
pandemic,
in
making
sure
that
we
had
a
good
pool
of
candidates
to
be
nominated
in
these
commissions.
L
So
so
I'm
wary
about
it
instead
need
for
that
and
would
love
to
hear
more
about
what
are
the
plans
to
help
us
do
that
level
of
improving
for.
B
The
deputy
City
Clerk,
who
would
have
responsibility
in
the
position,
description
or
recruiting
members,
volunteers,
I,
should
say
for
our
various
committees,
boards
and
commissions,
and
then
reporting
regularly
to
council
I,
hear
what
you're
saying
about
the
challenge
of
Staffing.
Potentially
a
fifth
commission
I
know
that
I
was
liaison
to
the
Community
Life
Commission.
C
B
Then
transitions
to
the
manicon
commission,
so
I
I
was
liaison
to
two
different
commissions
and
I
know
from
the
community
life
mission.
There
was
often
discussion
about
the
threat
abroad.
The
charge
was
for
that
commission.
Some
of
the
other
commissions
may
have
had
more
focused
charged,
but
certainly
for
community
life.
B
It
was
a
very,
very
Broad
charge,
so
I
think
you're.
You
know
I
think
you're
raising
a
good
question
and
again
this
is
on
tonight
for
circulation,
because
we
do
need
to
restart
discussions
based
on
the
work
that
the
working
group
that
you
served
on
also
did,
and
now
that
we
have
redesigned
the
deputy
city
clerk
position
as
well,
so
yeah
I
think
there's
opportunity
for
discussion.
I
I
actually
think
that
sustainability
is
such
a
tabith.
B
That
has
an
impact
on
all
of
the
commissions
that
it
might
very
well
be
substantially
enough
topic
for
separate
commission
to.
L
To
address
yeah,
if
I
could
I'm
I'm,
not
arguing
that
I
think
that's
actually
a
really
great
point
and
I
think
that's
why
we
need
to
support
this
I
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we
do
the
right
level
of
load,
balancing
across
all
the
commissions
to
make
sure
that
that
we
we
have
all
of
them
doing
really
meaningful
functional
work
for
the
city.
L
So,
for
example,
I
was
the
liaison
to
psi
the
public
safety
and
information
commission,
and
we
struggled
a
little
bit
in
our
generation
and
I.
Think
in
part,
because
we
had
thoughts
about
how
we
might
participate
in
that
Define,
Public,
Safety
and
public
information,
but
I
think
it
was
easier
for
us
to
be
focused
on
Public
Information
and
a
harder
for
us
to
figure
out
how
to
weave
into
the
work
of
Public
Safety.
So
so,
yes,
I
think
that
that
should.
B
F
So
I
wanted
to.
You
did
something
earlier:
I
want
to
back
up
about
the
award
that
was
given
to
the
city
and
I
I.
Just
wanted
to
remind
that.
You
were
you
mentioned
thanks
to
Rebecca,
and
we
forgot
or
forgot
to
thank
Louise
I,
don't
think
we
would
have
even
been
recognized
without
his
charge
right.
So
thank
you.
Luis
right
for
helping
us
get
this
award.
F
Also
with
this
new
commission
putting
together
or
Ithaca
Green
New
Deal
right,
that's
pretty
much.
What
it's
for
right.
C
B
F
F
B
Related
to
the
agreement
exactly
and
and
so-
and
you
know
often
when
a
plan
or
a
big
proposal
happens,
there's
a
Advisory
board
or
commission
or
committee
or
working
group
that
reviews
that.
But
we
need
something,
that's
going
to
be
long-term
and
you
know
stable,
for
because
this
is
an
initiative.
That's
going
to
go
on
a
full-time,
so
it
would
be
really
helpful
to
have
a
group
that
was
gathering
public
input.
F
B
Question
yeah:
this
commission
would
not
in
any
Norm
replace
take
the
place
of
the
work
of
the
sustainability
staff
moments.
No.
F
What
I'm
saying
is
the
work
that
he's
done
so
far:
how
how
how
would
that
integrate
with
this
Commission,
because
he's
done
a
lot
of
work.
That's
really!
Okay
and
that's
good
that
just
the
city
hadn't.
So
what
I'm
saying
is
this
commission?
Will
they
would
this
continue?
Something's,
not
feeling
really
right
to
me
about
this
right
now.
B
Right
one
of
the
so
there
have
been
staff
members
who
have
worked
with
the
various
commissions
depending
on
the
areas
of
expertise,
so
Rebecca
Evans
right
now,
sustainability,
planner.
B
This
final
audience
this
sustainability
commission,
but
it
would
be
my
expectation
that
Rebecca
would
work
as
a
resource.
She
would
be
the
expert
to
advise
you
know
the
members
of
such
a
commission.
If
there
were
to
be
such
a
position,
yeah.
L
Just
for
people's
benefit,
maybe
when
we
established
these
commissions,
they
were
nine
member
commissions.
C
L
So
as
an
example
I'm,
a
public
safety
and
information
on
that
public
information
side,
Julie
Holcomb
as
the
city
clerk,
could
use
our
commission
as
a
sort
of
a
feedback
Organization
for
the
creation
of
the
new
City
website
yeah
as
part
of
the
public
information,
and
we
also
worked
on
a
project
that
was
beginning
to
lay
out
a
structure
of
a
system
for
volunteer
applications
for
boards
and
missions,
and
we've
recently
heard
about
the
snow,
plow
or
the
sidewalk
clearing
project,
and
that
came
out
of
some
research
done
by
one
of
our
other
clinicians.
B
B
Particular
areas
so
taking
that
a
proposal
to
them
like
Community,
Choice,
aggregation
and
say,
okay
from
different
perspectives.
How
could
this
impact
the
city
and
what
do
we
have
to
look
out
for
and
so
and
they
can
advise
you
on
the
big
picture,
as
you
look
to
adopt
initiatives
and
laws,
I'm
sending
them
yeah
I
have
a
follow-up
on
previous
question
and
I
have
my
own
question.
B
You
know
definitely
the
The
Advisory
boards
or
these
commissions
they
really
sort
of
a
function,
because
obviously
our
Council
agendas
they
get
really
full
and
we
don't
have
a
chance,
and
we
can't
do
the
back
and
forth
to
really
delve
into
it
as
much
as
we
would
like,
and
the
advisory
boards
and
commissions
they
function
as
that
Community
body,
between
the
suggestions
of
staff
and
the
community
and
experts
and
neighborhoods
to
be
to
get
into
it
to
ask
questions
to
engage
with
it
and
then,
when
it
goes
through,
that
process
can
say
you
know.
B
Yes,
after
all
of
this
deliberation,
you
know-
and
we
as
council
members
of
course-
can
attend
and
participate
if
it's
something
that
we're
interested
in,
but
it
allows
that
in-depth
engagement
that
we
don't
have
a
chance
if
it
comes
directly
from
staff
to
council.
B
So
like
it's
a
really
strong
tool
and
it's
been
a
disadvantage,
I
think
to
the
community
that
we
haven't
had
it
functioning
for
for
many
years,
so
I
definitely
see
the
value
in
it
and
and
I
I
regret
that
we
haven't
had
active
advisory
committees
and
commissions
for
quite
some
time
so
yeah,
it's
it's
not
the
diminishing
staff
work.
It's
allowing
us
to
elevate
it
into
the
public
and
engagement
I'm.
F
F
Not
respect
that
they
input
so
I'm
just
saying
they
are
having
a
commission.
Yeah
I
I
know
what
it
is,
but.
B
B
I'm
just
being
impressed,
no,
no
thank
you.
Well.
I
do
to
Rob's
Point,
as
liaison
to
parks,
recreation,
natural
areas
committee,
which
also
includes
the
community
conservation
Advisory
Group.
It
also
includes
shade
tree
advisory.
I
mean
we
had
so
many
charges
underneath
this
one
commission-
and
there
was
a
lot
of
feeling
that
important
items
were
not
allowed
to
really
get
discussed,
because
we
only
had
this
month
one
monthly
meeting.
B
It
was
two
hours
long
and
it
was
very
you
know:
things
got
supplanted
or
put
aside
so
in
reevaluating,
the
advisory
committees,
making
sure
if
you
had
some
that
were
light
and
some
that
were
heavy.
How
could
we
distribute
this
workload
because
many?
What
I
had
heard
from
individuals
who
were
in
the
disability
advisory
in
the
shade
tree
advisory
committee
and
so
on?
They
all
felt
like
their
they're.
B
The
topics
deserved
focused
attention
by
a
group
of
people
who
specialized
and
were
interested
in
those
topics,
rather
than
the
nine
committee
nine-member
commission,
which
was
then
covered.
Many
many
different
things
and
so
I
hope.
That's
something
that
is
evaluated
by
the
working
group
that
was
charged
with
us.
B
L
Yeah,
just
it's
a
good
point
that
Cynthia
brings
up
and
I'll
just
remind
us
that
the
original
design
of
these
conditions
allowed
for
the
commissions
to
have
I
can't
remember
the
language
we
used.
It
was
sort
of
like
the
subcommittees
that
were
allowed
to
bring
on
additional
members
that
are
on
focused
topics,
but
I.
Think
it's
important
to
note.
L
The
difference
between
the
commission
and
a
work
of
a
subcommittee
that
might
then
feed
into
the
commission
is
one
of
Staffing,
and
that
was
one
of
the
challenges
we
were
trying
to
handle
because
the
city
was
having
a
hard
time.
Staffing.
All
of
these
different,
smaller
boards
and
committees
and
I,
don't
think
like,
for
example,
the
shade
tree
Advisory
Group
might
still
be
able
to
function
as
a
subcommittee
of
one
of
the
commissions.
B
Would
be
reserved
for
the
commission
right
so
in
that
in
particular
pruner
you
have
a
very
active,
very
intense
subcommittees
and
the
channel
it
through
that
one
committee
meeting
and
it
was
very
hard
to
fill
that
work
in
and
again
a
good
of
that
attention.
B
Thank
you,
okay!
Thank
you.
This
is
a
good
discussion
and
I
think
it
would
also
be
helpful
to
have
a
oh
sorry.
Sorry,
I
didn't
see
your
hand
up
as
well.
I
Oh
no
problem:
if
now
it's
convenient,
you
tell
me,
go
right
ahead.
Oh
thank
you.
Yeah.
Two,
two
brief
comments.
One
is
I
do
hear
the
committee
discussing
the
question
of
whether
the
other
commissions
should
be
re-examined
in
terms
of
precise,
some
topical
alignment
and
and
I
just
want
to
flag
that
around
that
question.
I
A
a
sub
question
that
you
may
want
to
ask
yourselves
is
on
what
time
frame
to
do
that,
because
I
think
there
may
be
some
good
reasons
to
move
forward
with
this
commission
now,
while
a
longer
potential
examination
of
the
other
commissions
can
take
a
longer
period
of
time.
So
that's
one
point:
I
wanted
to
flag.
The
other
very
different
point.
I
wanted
to
flag
is
that's
an
administrative
Point,
a
legal
administrative
point,
which
is
that
this
is
just
for
circulation
tonight.
I
So
you
have
what
you
need
for
that
purpose.
I
believe
I
do
want
the
committee
to
be
aware
that,
should
you
be
ready
to
move
forward
at
your
next
meeting
with
a
vote
on
to
council
that
we
will
also
provide
you
with
an
additional,
very
minor
piece
of
legislation
that
we'll
need
to
accompany
this,
which
would
be
a
local
law
and
to
amend
section
C5
C1
of
the
city
Charter,
and
it
would
simply
add
the
existence
of
this
commission.
I
Should
you
choose
to
create
it
to
that
portion
of
the
city
Charter?
It
would
be
a
one
lot.
One
line
change
to
the
city
Charter.
That
would
basically
just
say
yep.
There
are
these
nine
members
of
this
commission
who
are
now
City
officials
as
well
I.
Just
want
you
to
be
aware
that
that
would
exist
if
we
head
in
this
direction,
foreign.
B
L
All
right,
thanks
for
that
reminder,
so
am
I
right
in
interpreting
that
if
we
did
make
changes
to
any
of
these
other
commissions
that
we
were
going
to
be
going
through
a
similar
process
and
if
we
just
renamed
them,
would
we
have
to
go
through
that
same.
I
That's
a
great
question,
so,
if
you
rename
them,
we
will,
and
let
me
start
by
saying
you
asked
about
a
similar
process.
Let
me
note
that
the
local
law-
this
is
not
a
referendum,
it's
nothing
like
that.
It's
just!
We
will
also
need
a
local
law.
In
addition
to
the
ordinance
it
will
need
to
be
laid
on
the
table.
It
will
need
to
age
and
get
a
council
vote,
but
it
shouldn't
be
too
big
a
deal.
I
If
that's
where
Council
wants
to
go
and
an
indirect
answer
to
your
question,
if
you
merely
amend
the
particular
subject,
matters
covered
by
the
commissions,
meaning
if
you
amend
chapter
eight
of
the
city
code
rather
than
the
charter
I,
don't
believe
you'll
need
a
local
law
for
anything
there.
I
I
think
you'll
just
need
an
ordinance,
much
like
what's
in
your
agenda
packet
tonight
that
adjusts
the
particular
provisions
of
chapter
8
of
the
city
code
pertaining
to
the
particular
commissions
that
you're
looking
at
that
said,
you
did
just
ask
about
changing
the
name
of
a
commission
if
you
change
the
name.
The
name
also
exists
in
the
city
Charter
in
section
C5
C1,
and
then
you
would
need
a
local
law
to
because
you
can
only
amend
the
city
Charter
by
local
law.
C
I
I
would
need
to
get
back
to
you
if
you're
looking
to
eliminate
a
commission
yeah.
Okay.
Thank
you.
Thank.
L
I
The
road
I
believe
I
think
from
a
legislative
process
perspective,
which
is
what
you're
asking
me
I
believe.
The
answer
is
yes,
if
Council
actually
knew
that
it
wants
to
end
up
with
four
commissions,
not
five
the
best
legislative
path
to
get
there
would
be
to
rebalance
amongst
the
four
rather
than
creating
a
fifth
that
said,
I,
clearly
that
we
could
find
a
path
to
eliminating
one
of
the
commissions
once
created.
B
Yeah,
the
rebalancing
question
is
a
very
good
one
when
the
commissions
were
formed
in
2017..
We
are
in
a
different
landscape
now
and
there
will
be
opportunity
to
have
further
discussion
on
this
and
to
get
further
information.
One
of
the
information
points,
I
think
would
be
helpful,
is
to
go
back
Circle
back
to
the
working
group
and
get
a
written
or
distributed
which
I'll
have
to
try
to
all
up
from
other
members
of
the
of
that
working
group.
B
Again
this
tonight
is
to
circulate
so
there
will
be
opportunity
for
additional
staff
input.
It
would
then
come
back
to
planning
in
December
December,
so
the
first
opportunity
for
it
to
then,
if
Council
so
chose
to
move
forward
and
I'm
pausing.
As
I
say.
This
move
forward
on
a
fifth
Mission
or
move
forward
on
renaming
and
rebalancing
to
four
commissions
that
would
not
occur
would
not
be
moved
forward
until
a
January
councilman.
B
So
one
of
the
goals
is
to
continue
to
move
forward
on
sustainability
initiatives
and,
and
that
is
one
of
the
goals,
but
only
one
potential
positive
outcomes.
L
I
I
do
think
you're
remembering
that
right.
I
also
would
note,
of
course,
that
Deb
molinoff
was
chair
of
CA
at
that
time
and
that
and
then
she
also
LED
that
the
onboards
and
committees
working
group,
but
but
I
do
see
your
point.
That
said,
obviously
the
sustainability
focus
of
this
particular
proposal
is
very
much
aligned
with
pedc.
You
know
planning
objectives,
so
I
just
want
to
make
sure
we're
not
missing
a
step
that
we
would
regret
later.
But
that
sounds.
M
I
just
wanted
to
just
follow
up
super
quick
about
the
initial
position
that
was
funded
through
the
2022
budget
and
that
initial
position
was
supposed
to
come
through
the
mayor's
office,
and
it
was
like
almost
like
a
part-time
position.
It
was
like
the
end
of
the
year
position,
and
so,
when
the
committee
met,
you
know
we
kind
of
decided
that
maybe
there
was
going
to
be.
M
We
decided
on
a
job
description
and
Rob
can
certainly
speak
to
that,
and
the
job
description
then
turned
into
the
deputy
clerk
position
and
from
there
what
was
decided
on
the
committee
was
that
we
should
hire
somebody
and
then
we
could
then
reconvene
and
see
where
we
were
going
to
end
in
those
commissions
and
how
we
were
going
to
restructure
if
we
were
going
to
or
if
we
were
going
to
change
names
or,
however,
it
was
going
to
be
and
I
think
rob
you
know
like
we,
we
met
a
bunch
about
the
actual
job
description
of
what
we
needed
and
what
we
thought
would
be.
M
The
most
efficient
way
to
you
know
give
information
to
not
only
counsel
but
also
involve
staff
and
make
sure
that
those
commissions
ran
smoothly.
Some
commissions
ran
very
smoothly,
and
some
did
not
so
just
a
little
tiny
update
on
that
and
we'll
certainly,
you
know,
be
able
to
give
you
more
information
at
the
next
meeting
too.
B
Okay,
thank
you,
everyone
for
the
comments
and
questions
all
those
in
favor
of
circulating.
This.
B
Thank
you.
We
finally
have
a
review
and
approval
of
minutes.
These
are
the
seventh
September
2022
minutes.
Is
there
a
motion
to
thank
you
Patrick
for
the
minutes?
Is
there
a
second
baby
comments
or
questions
on
the
September
minutes.
B
B
Okay,
so
all
in
favor
of
the
September
minutes
and
that
passes
5-0.
Thank
you.
Okay
motion
to
adjourn
Patrick
seconded
by
Phoebe
wish
everyone
a
very
Happy
Thanksgiving.
Oh
we
didn't
vote,
there's
all
those
in
favor
of
adjourning
anyone,
okay,
five
zero
for
a
journey.
Thank
you
and
wishing
everyone
a
very
Happy
Thanksgiving
break.