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A
A
And
before
we
start
our
meeting
with
public
comment,
I
I
do
want
to
say
something
that.
A
This
has
been
a
very
painful
week
for
our
community
and
our
friends
in
buffalo.
A
On
monday
morning,
we
sent
a
letter
to
the
mayor
of
buffalo,
and
I
just
want
to
read
that
dear
honorable
mayor
brown,
our
community
stands
with
residents
of
buffalo,
as
you
grieve,
the
loss
of
lice
life
from
saturday's,
racially
motivated
murder
of
innocent
citizens,
our
hearts
with
the
people
of
buffalo,
especially
the
families
and
victims
of
this
racist
hate
crime
committed
by
an
individual
who
is
not
from
buffalo
the
city
of
good
neighbors.
A
A
A
And
I
see
that
zach
nguyen
is
joining
us
and
zach,
just
a
reminder
that
you
have
opportunity
to
speak
for
three
minutes
and
we'll
give
you
a
heads
up
when
that
three
minutes
is
over.
So
please
go
ahead.
B
A
B
Thank
you.
I
had
a
chance
to
read
over
the
plan
for
dealing
with
the
illegal
homeless
encampments,
and
my
question
is:
if
drugs
will
be
allowed
on
site,
what
options
will
be
available
to
people
who
wish
to
get
or
remain
clean
and
sober,
and
will
there
be
two
separate
camps
and,
if
so,
how
that
will
that
affect
the
viability
of
the
project
and
also
I'd
like
to
know
if
drugs
are
allowed
on
site?
B
B
Excuse
me,
crime
surrounding
drug
addiction
is
principally
involving
property
crime
and
the
violence
between
rival
drug
dealers
for
the
opportunity
to
deal
those
drugs
and
I'm
curious
if
the
viability
of
providing
free
or
low
cost
drugs
to
drug
addicts
in
a
controlled
environment,
specifically
ones
not
contaminated
with
fentanyl,
could
break
the
economic
life
cycle
of
drug
addiction
and
rob
the
black
market
of
the
cash
which
you
know,
fuels
not
only
the
day-to-day
life
of
an
addict,
but
also
is
such
a
lucrative
trade
for
drug
dealers,
and
I
know
there
are
federal
laws
that
would
prevent
the
distribution
of
you
know,
schedule
one
substances
to
people
who
do
not
have
legitimate
medical
need
and
it
I
believe
it
would
be
possible
to
classify
long-term
opiate
addiction
as
a
medical
condition
and
treat
it
as
such.
B
Also
consider
the
fact
that
there
are
meth
addicts
who
are
occupying
these
camps
and
they
are
not
particularly
known
for
their
rational
thinking
or
ability
to
be
kind
of
corralled
into
a
controlled
environment.
And
I
could
see
this
project
you
know
leading
to
other
issues,
if
not
handled
properly.
So
I'd
like
you
to
encourage
you
all
to
look
at
the
work
of
a
gentleman
named
michael
shellenberger.
B
He
is
running
for
governor
of
california
and
he's
examined
the
similar
situation
in
san
francisco
and
I
would
just
be
very
cautious
moving
forward.
You
know
to
make
sure
there
aren't
unintended
side
effects
to
this
plan.
So
thank
you
very
much
and
I
yield
the
remainder
of
my
time.
A
D
I
do
want
to
thank
zach
for
his
comments.
I
hope
that
you
will
share
them
with
me
by
email,
because
there
is
a
lot
of
material
that
you
included.
The
proposal
for
the
sanction,
encampment
site
is
actually
not
on
the
agenda,
nor
was
it
included
today.
D
D
We
do
want
to
make
sure
that
we
reduce
any
barriers
for
participation,
but
finding
that
balance,
as
you
mentioned,
is
going
to
be
a
nuanced
process
and
very
thoughtfully
done.
Thank
you
for
the
reference
to
looking
at
michael
schellenberger.
I
hadn't
heard
of
this
individual
be
happy
to
look
into
that
and
again,
please
forward
your
comments
by
email
so
that
we
can
take
a
look.
A
Thank
you
any
other
comments.
Response.
Okay,
let's
move
to
our
public
hearings.
We
have
two
public
hearings
tonight.
Is
there
a
motion
to
open
the
public
hearing
on
the
2022
action
plan?
Thank
you,
patrick
sir.
A
second
thank
you
rob
all
those
in
favor
of
opening
the
public
hearing.
C
Yeah
she
got
cut
off
or
something
so
we'll
let
her
back
in
when
she
comes
back.
A
Yeah
debbie,
if
you
could
watch
for
her
in
the
waiting
room.
Thank
you
and
I
understand
we
do
not
have
anyone
here
for
the
public
hearing
so
kind
of
a
motion
to
close
patrick
and
seconded
by
rob
all
those
in
favor
of
closing
the
public
hearing,
that's
4-0!
Thank
you.
A
Next
we
have
a
public
hearing
on
the
east
hill
fire
station
and
I
should
mention
that
both
of
these
public
hearing
topics
will
be
discussed.
As
we
move
through
our
agenda
tonight.
Could
I
have
a
motion
to
open
the
eastfield?
Thank
you
and
a
second
again,
thank
you.
Rob
all
those
in
favor
of
opening
this
public
hearing.
A
A
That
is
4-0
all
right.
Thank
you
very
much
and
as
mentioned,
we
will
have
these
discussion
on
both
of
these
later
in
the
agenda.
So
now,
let's
turn
to
our
agenda
item
4a,
which
is
a
presentation
of
an
update
actually
on
the
west
end
and
I
believe
eric
hathaway,
the
director
of
transportation
and
parking
is
here
with
us
hi
eric.
So
do
you
want.
E
A
E
Okay,
great
well,
I'm
here
because
10
months
ago
I
came
to
pedc.
I
apologize
it's
dark
in
this
room.
E
I
came
to
pedc
to
discuss
some
analysis
that
had
been
done
in
the
west
end
and
really
wanted
to
give
everyone
an
update,
while
those
who
were
on
pedc
at
that
time
give
them
an
update
and
those
who
are
new
to
council
to
give
them
a
little
bit
of
history
on
the
current
situation
and
so
I'll
go
into
the
first
slide
here.
So
the
history
is
that
there
are
two
significant
developments:
just
west
of
route
13
that
came
in
several
years
back
and
as
part
of
site
plan
review.
E
We
took
a
look
at
traffic
impact
studies
for
both
of
these
developments
since
they're
fairly
large-
and
you
can
see
here
the
number
of
intersections
20-
that
we
had
the
developer
review
to
look
at
the
potential
traffic
impact,
and
so
out
of
that
came
some
concerns
from
the
dot,
because
route
13
is
a
is
a
roadway
owned
by
the
state,
dot
and
operated
by
them.
E
Though
it's
in
the
city
of
ithaca,
so
it
really
needs
to
meet
their
operational
and
safety
standards,
and
so
through
that
discussion,
the
dot
did
some
investigation
of
their
own
of
ways
that
they
could
mitigate
some
of
the
traffic
impacts.
We
brought
that
to
pedc,
and
I
know
there
were
lots
of
concerns
expressed,
and
so
since
that
time
we've
done
some
additional
analysis
of
our
own
to
see.
E
If
maybe
we
could
still
meet
the
dot
standards,
but
maybe
accomplish
a
few
more
of
the
city's
goals
of
what
we're
looking
to
do,
and
so
I
feel
kind
of
hopeful
that
we're
moving
in
that
direction.
But
I
want
to
give
you
a
little
bit
of
a
background
here
on
some
specifically
of
what
the
dot
had
proposed
previously.
E
E
So
it
was
logical
with
the
dot
put
together,
but
I
know
common
council
and
others.
The
city,
including
myself,
were
concerned
about
the
wayfinding
problems
that
may
result
from
this
and
inefficiencies
in
getting
around
the
city,
and
so
that
was
so.
We
did
a
little
bit
of
further
analysis
here
and
you
can
see
that
it's
a
significant
amount
of
traffic
that
we'd
be
talking
about
moving.
E
So
multiple
concerns
here
and
then,
of
course,
you'll
see
from
the
next
slide
that
that
that
rerouted
movement
coming
seneca
street
and
then
up
to
ganeck
boulevard,
there's
about
240
feet
or
260
feet
of
sorry
240
feet
of
storage,
space
and
260
feet
of
of
cued
up
cars
is
what
is
what
was
anticipated
there
at
times
and
that
could
certainly
have
a
cascading
effect
of
creating
traffic
problems
throughout
throughout
that
area.
So
that
was
a
concern
that
we
had.
E
You
can
see
here
today
the
configuration
of
that
intersection
where
all
traffic
movements
are
permitted
and
what
they
proposed
was
to
restrict
left
turn
movements
from
buffalo
street
onto
toganic,
the
eastbound
to
northbound
left
and
the
west
bound
to
southbound
left.
Now,
that's
not
a
high
number
of
vehicle,
turning
movements
at
any
given
time,
but
the
alternative
for
those
vehicles
is
not
very
efficient.
E
So
we
had
with
our
consultant
stantec
he's
been
helping
us
with
some
traffic
related
issues.
Let
them
take
a
look
at
this
corridor
and
see,
if
maybe
there's
another
way
we
could
address
some
of
these
safety
issues,
specifically
first,
that
the
dot
raised
and
there
were
sort
of
three
I
won't
get
into
all
the
details,
but
there's
sort
of
three
general
types
of
principles
that
that
we
thought
could
certainly
help
signal.
Heads
there's
not
very
good
availability
or
not
very
good
visibility.
E
Also
wayfinding
was
a
big
issue,
obviously
that
what
was
proposed
there
could
be
problematic
from
a
wayfinding
standpoint,
but
even
what's
there
today
is
probably
not
as
good
as
it
could
be
and
could
lead
to
some
side,
swipe
accidents
and
other
things
that
we're
seeing
on
the
corridor.
E
The
third
is
finding
a
better
way
to
transition
speeds
down
southbound
coming
on
meadow
street
into
this
area,
so
those
were
sort
of
the
three
things
that
we
started
to
take
a
look
at
and
had
a
dialogue
with
the
dot
about,
and
in
the
end,
what
we've
come
up
with
is
sort
of
a
counter
proposal
to
the
dot
which
we
presented
to
them
two
weeks
ago
was.
This
is
a
very
busy
figure.
I
realized,
but
I'll
talk
you
through
it
a
little
bit
in
the
end.
E
We
feel,
and
we've
shown
through
analysis
that
we
could
accomplish
their
delay
and
operational
goals
without
having
to
make
a
one-way
section
on
buffalo
street
was
our,
which
was
our
biggest
concern.
We
do.
We
do
have
to
restrict
the
left
turn
movements
on
toganic
boulevard
at
buffalo
during
peak
hours.
We
think-
maybe
even
just
during
the
evening
peak
hour
and
not
it
wouldn't
have
to
be
a
full
restriction.
E
E
So,
but
we
feel
that
by
not
you
know
the
dot
who's
currently
reviewing
our
plan
does
not
require
the
one-way
section
on
buffalo
street,
that's
a
really
big
win
for
the
city
and
for
wayfinding
and
for
probably
for
safety.
In
the
end,
too.
The
other
thing
that
we
have
recommended
here
is
that
at
these
intersections
that
show
a
star
purple
star
around
that
we
do
something.
E
So
for
that
reason
we
found
that
even
with
the
inefficiencies
that
a
leading
pedestrian
interval,
which
essentially
is
giving
a
pedestrians
a
three
to
six
second
head
start
into
the
intersection,
so
they're
more
visible
to
cars,
who
might
be
turning.
But
even
with
with
that,
we
have
better
efficiency
than
the
current
system.
E
E
That'll
really
be
an
overall
improvement
to
the
quarter
and
some
pedestrian
enhancements
at
other
crossings
too.
I'm
not
going
to
get
too
far
into
the
weeds
here,
but
the
other
significant
thing
that
we're
proposing
is
that
this
is
probably
something
a
little
bit
larger
project
down
the
road.
We
currently
have
a
grant
to
look
at
creating
this
area
of
route
13
as
more
of
a
boulevard
and
we're
looking
to
basically
north
of
the
gas
station.
E
That's
located
at
the
split
in
route
13
as
you
come
southbound
your
purity
ice
cream
to
basically
re-stripe
and
probably
put
a
curb
up
against
the
west
or
they'll,
be
the
north
side
of
the
road
there
to
create
a
third
lane
further
north
and
then
is
today
and
to
carry
that
through
as
a
shared
through
right,
all
the
way
down
to
buffalo
street
or
before
buffalo
street
at
buffalo
street.
A
Questions
for
eric
cynthia.
D
Thank
you
eric.
I
hope
this
can
be
shared
with
council.
I'd
love
to
take
a
closer
look
at
this
and
then
also
talk
with
you
about
it.
I
guess
I'm
I'm
a
little
confused.
D
I
recognize
that
the
dot's
recommendation
was
to
turn
west
buffalo
into
one
wake
going
eats
east,
that's
right,
so
that
basically
addresses
something
that
I
know
happens,
which
is
morning
rush
hour.
Traffic
gets
backed
up
on
buffalo
all
the
way
up
the
hill,
so
that
definitely
would
release
that
backup.
D
But
you're
saying
as
an
alternative,
you
would
reduce
turns
on
buffalo
and
turganic
during
the
evening
peak
hours,
which
is
an
entirely
different
direction.
That's
when
you
actually
have
traffic
going
west
and
you
want
to
open
up
traffic
going
west.
So
I'm
I'm
curious.
Is
there
any
accommodation
in
here?
That
would
also
deal
with
what
was
originally
proposed,
which
was
to
address
the
morning
rush
hour
traffic,
which
is
traffic
going
east.
F
F
E
G
H
H
E
Say,
what's
on
the
table
now
with
two-way,
isn't
necessarily
would
cause
any
more
eastbound
delay
than
than
their
their
proposal.
D
C
D
Guess,
since
we
still
have
the
problem
of
draining
the
eastbound
traffic
in
the
morning,
I'm
hoping
that
that
might
be
something
that
could
be
incorporated
in
it
into
a
proposal,
because
that
is
definitely
a
consideration.
I
do
appreciate
recognizing
the
inefficiencies
that
the
original
proposal
would
have
resulted
in
in
terms
of
like
all
of
the
roundabout
circular
connotations
that
would
have
to
be
done.
D
One
of
the
things
that
I
had
wondered
about,
and
I
wondered
if
was
considered
was
there-
was
surge
lanes
considered
it
all
when
you
take
a
lane
and
then
in
morning
rush
hour,
it's
one
way
and
then
in
the
afternoon
rush
hour,
it's
the
other
way,
and
then
you
have
that
that
additional
flow
and
that's
also
comes
down
to
signage
and
and
training,
which
also.
I
E
Yeah,
no,
that
wasn't
something
that
we
looked
at.
I
don't
know
I
I
don't
know
if
region
three,
if
that's
something
that
they're
open
to
in
their
roadways
or
not,
we
can
certainly
talk
to
them
about
that.
I
don't
know
if
there's
a
precedent
for
them
doing
that
in
this
region,
but
I
think
it's
a
complicated
enough
problem
and
I
think
we
all
recognize
that
there's
there's
significant
delay
there
that
you
know
out
of
the
box
thinking
is
certainly
welcome.
So
yeah.
G
D
Thank
you.
The
the
last
question
I
have
is
you
had
talked
about
a
leading
pedestrian
interval.
D
E
It
can
be
done
at
intersections
where
you
have
to
push
the
button
or
once
when
you
don't,
but
essentially,
instead
of
the
green
light
coming
on
for
traffic
first,
the
pedestrian
walk
indication
would
come
on
three
to
six
seconds
before,
and
so
you
know
you
as
a
pedestrian
would
be
able
to
get
three
to
six
seconds
into
the
intersection
before
any
other
traffic
can
move,
and
what
what
research
has
sort
of
shown
is
that
it
just
makes
you
more
visible
as
a
pedestrian
instead
and
eliminates
some
of
the
confusion
where
you're
coming
off
the
curb
at
the
same
time
as
somebody
who
wants
to
make
a
right
turn
in
front
of
you,
but
by
getting
three
to
six
seconds
ahead,
you
may
have,
you
may
already
have
gotten
halfway
through
the
intersection,
so
if
you've
completely
eliminated
some
conflicts
and
others
you've
positioned
yourself
in
a
way
that
drivers
should
be
more
aware
of
you.
D
E
D
A
A
And
that
has
proved
to
be
helpful
because
that's
a
major
access
point
to
get
to
the
waterfront
trail
to
the
farmers
market,
so
it
does
make
a
difference.
I
hope
that
we
will
be
successful
in
pushing
for
a
minimum
of
six
seconds
three
seconds,
especially
for
someone
on
a
bike.
Someone
pushing
a
stroller
three
seconds
is
a
bit
too
brief.
So
if
we
have
opportunity
to
encourage
the
longer
lpi,
I
think
it
would
be
helpful.
A
K
G
Oh
yeah,
thanks
thanks
eric,
for
this
is
really
helpful,
and
I'm
happy
also
to
see
that
that
one
block
of
buffalo
street
is
remaining
in
a
two-way.
I
think
that's
really
helpful.
My
question
is
about
the
the
restriction
on
left
turns
for
tagonic
boulevard.
G
I
I
I'm
trying
to
follow
the
pattern
for
someone
who
and
I
granted.
I
know
this
is
probably
done
more
with
signage
than
it
is
in
any
kind
of
physical
restriction,
but
for
someone
who
is
following
those
rules
coming
eastbound,
so
they
can
turn
right
on
togenic
boulevard,
and
that
would
be
would
that
be
the
pathway?
Would
they
would
follow
to
to
eventually
go
north
on
tagonic
boulevard.
E
E
E
Higher
percentage
of
the
traffic
on
the
weekends
is
probably
making
that
that
maneuver,
just
because
of
you
know,
parks
and
things
like
that
that
are
up
to
the
north.
So
it's
not
fully
determined,
but
I
think
it's
only
been
proven
that
it's
very
effective
in
the
pm
peak
hour.
Just
because
of
the
you
know,
the
high
number
high
amount
of
traffic
on
the
roadway.
G
G
E
A
Yeah-
and
I
I'm
glad
to
hear
that
some
of
what
first
of
all,
I'm
glad
to
hear
that
you
have
a
strong
working
relationship
eric
with
the
dot,
so
I
have
two
questions:
one
will
the
changes
that
you're
working
on
will
satisfy
dot
in
relation
to
the
city,
harbor
and
carpenter
park
developments?
That's
one.
E
Sure,
well,
I
guess
I
should
say
all
this
you
know
is
up
in
the
air.
It's
an
open
conversation
right
now.
We
we've
brought
this
new
analysis
to
the
dmt
a
couple
of
weeks
ago.
We've
had
ongoing
conversations
with
them,
but
really
what
we
were
able
to
present
a
couple
weeks
ago
was
a
lot
of
new
and
helpful
information.
I
spared
you
about
30,
slides
worth
of
information
that
we
shared
with
them.
You
know
we
wanted
to
prove
as
thoroughly
as
possible
that
that
this
is
a
good
idea.
E
So
that's
that's
still,
I
guess
technically
up
in
the
air,
but
your
question
was
about
sorry
here.
A
The
development
will
these
changes
satisfy
the
the
needs
of
the
developments
right.
E
What
was
on
the
table
is
because
the
the
kyuga
park
development
needed
a
break
in
access
to
route
13
in
order
to
basically
be
viable,
especially
from
an
emergency
response
standpoint,
and
so
at
that
time
it
was
tied
up
in
at
that
time
the
dot
was
requiring
these
changes
to
be
a
mitigation
that
the
developers
had
to
do
in
order
to
mitigate
their
impact.
E
But
as
time
went
on
and
the
dot
took
a
look
at
the
this
option,
they
had
looked
at.
They
liked
it
just
from
the
standpoint
of
something
to
address
even
existing
concerns
and
because
they
already
had
a
project
that
was
lined
up
and
funded
within
the
next
couple
of
years
to
resurface
and
restrike
this
area.
They
basically
created
additional
funding
for
that
project
to
to
do
this
work,
so
then
it's
no
longer
tied
to
mitigation
of
the
development
itself,
so
it
sort
of
changed
the
it's
changed.
The
whole
dynamic
around
these
improvements.
E
C
I'll
just
add
from
what
eric
was
saying
that
it,
it
wasn't
just
the
break
in
access,
but
also
we
asked
that
both
projects
to
install
very
significant
pedestrian
and
bike
improvements
on
route
13,
and
that
was
also
what
we
wanted
dot
to
approve.
C
I
just
added
to
what
you
said
eric
to
say
that,
as
part
of
site
plan
review
and
mitigation
for
the
traffic
as
the
city,
the
planning
board
and
coordination
transportation,
engineer
director
of
transportation
eric
we
required
pretty
extensive
pedestrian
and
bike
improvements
on
route,
13
and
d.o.t
needs
to
improve
those
too.
So,
in
addition
to
the
braking
process,
that's
right.
A
Thank
you.
Cynthia
did
you
have
another
question.
F
D
Mentioned
that
this
third
lane
would
be
added.
Yes
in
that
area,
was
it
I
mean
one
thing
about
having
three
lanes:
it
does
seem
less
pedestrian
friendly.
D
D
E
E
That's
not
what
we're
trying
to
do
in
the
city
we're
trying
to
make
things
safer
and
more
efficient
for
pedestrians,
bicyclists
and
all
users,
but
in
this
case
some
years
ago
there
was
a
situation
where
route
13
southbound
was
laid
out
differently
and
I'm
not
going
to
go
into
all
the
details,
but
it
did
create
a
situation
where
there
was
some
more
weaving
and
back
and
forth,
and
in
with
this
particular
proposal,
where
the
three
lanes
basically
flows
into.
E
What's
already
the
existing
configuration
further
south
of
here,
so
it
basically
transitions
that
a
little
bit
further
north
and
I
think,
as
part
of
the
long-term,
build
project
here
to
make
this
more
of
an
urban
boulevard.
It's
a
more
natural
speed
transition
in
this
area,
and
you
can
barely
see
it
here.
I
apologize
in
this
graphic,
but
in
basically
in
the
orange
section,
is
where
the
taper
begins
for
that
lane,
and
so
it's
actually,
I
think
more.
E
It's
less
confusing
for
vehicles
there's
an
opportunity
to
do
more
advanced
way,
finding
there
and
get
people
in
the
position
where
they
want
to
be
earlier.
So
I
think
we're
in
in
principle.
Certainly,
I'm
not
for
making
roadways
wider,
but
in
this
particular
instance,
I
think
it's
going
to
minimize
side,
swipe
type
crashes,
and
so
I
think
it's
actually
worth
it.
The
other
thing
is
that,
instead
of
being
a
road
over
the
shoulder,
it
would
be
with
a
curve
most
likely,
and
so
it's
going
to
create
a
little
bit
more
friction.
M
B
A
E
E
Yeah
and
that's
where
I've
had
some
conversations
with
stantec
and
the
dot
about
that
there's
some
considerations,
but
there's
the
emergency
preemption
for
or
the
preemption
for
the
for
the
rail
railroad
there
that
sometimes
having
a
separate
right
turn
lane
at
buffalo
and
other
places
can
be
good
from
a
safety
standpoint-
and
I
know
buffalo
has
a
very
high
right
turn
volume
there,
but
we
we
may
still
investigate
a
little
bit
if
that
through
right
could
continue
further.
E
G
Yeah.
Thank
you
thanks
again
as
we're
talking
about
this
section
eric
at
one
point,
I
think
you
refer
to
it
as
some
kind
of
boulevard.
H
G
That's
the
approach,
we're
looking
at
remind
me:
was
there
ever
any
talk
about
doing
some
kind
of
median
in
the
middle
that
might
offer
a
sort
of
midpoint
respite
for
pedestrians,
or
I
know
that
further
north,
I
guess
it's
not
at
third
street,
it's
probably
after
day
street
it
it
does
provide
that
break
between
northbound
and
southbound,
and
was
that
ever
considered
in
this
area
as
well?
Is
there
enough
space
there
for.
E
E
This
is
more
of
a
long-term
long-term
through-the-build
project
that
the
tim's
managing
for
a
long-term
improvement,
and
but
I
think,
that's
the
exact
type
of
concepts
that
are
being
considered,
we're
not
far
enough
along
in
that
process
to
say,
and
some
of
the
mitigations
for
the
city,
harbor
project
are
exactly
that
that
we've
required
is
more
of
a
median
pedestrian
refuge
type
of
design.
So
I
could
see
I
would
I
would
anticipate
that
would
continue
in
the
future
through
this
through
this
area
of
the
corridor.
Yeah.
That.
E
C
A
Okay,
so
eric
what?
What
now
is
the
is
the
timeline?
Will
you
be
able
to
provide
us
with
another
update
and
in
what
amount
of
time,
if
so,.
E
Yeah,
so
it's
a
little
bit
undetermined,
how
long
of
a
period
of
time
the
dot
is
going
to
need
to
process
what
we've
given
to
them.
It's
a
like.
I
said
it's
a
lot
of
information.
It
probably
will
take
them
a
number
of
weeks.
I
would
think
at
least
because
you
know
it
has
a
very
large
impact
on
on
their
design
project
that
they're
looking
at
for
the
resurfacing
today.
E
So
I
don't
know
we'll
have
some
follow-up
conversations
with
them
in
the
coming
weeks
and
I'll
probably
have
a
better
sense
of
when
we'll
be
able
to
know
definitively
if
they,
if
they're
willing
to
go
this
direction,
but
certainly
keep
everyone
up
to
date
and
I'll
be
back
to
to
provide
information
once
I
have
it,
but
I
don't
think
you
know
they're
eager
to
they
need
to
move
their
design
project
along.
You
know
in
order
to
get
it
implemented
on
time,
so
I
don't
think
there's
any
benefit
to
them
to
taking
too
long
with.
A
All
right,
let's
move
on
next,
we
will
welcome
liddy
barger
from
human
services
coalition
who
and
once
again,
let
me
just
remind
the
public
and
the
committee-
this
will
be
a
presentation
that
is
not
a
voting
item
but
liddy.
Thank
you
for
the
slides
you've
sent
along
and
I'll
turn
it
over
to
you
for
the
presentation
on
the
tompkins
county
homeless
needs
assessment.
J
Great
thanks,
hello,
good
evening,
everyone,
my
name,
is
lydie
barger,
I'm
actually
going
to
turn
it
right
over
to
someone
getting
she's
sort
of
kicking
us
off
today.
My
colleague
at
the
continuum
of
care
and
and
I'll
be
checking
in
in
just
a
second.
N
Yeah,
I'm
just
going
to
share
the
presentation,
real,
quick,
so
hi
everyone,
my
name
is
simone
gatson.
I
work
at
the
human
services
coalition
as
a
housing
specialist
and
I'm
staff
for
continuum
of
care.
N
I'm
also
the
coordinated
entry
lead
for
new
york,
510
or
tompkins
county,
and
I'm
obviously
here
with
lady
barger
she's,
the
director
of
housing
initiatives
of
the
human
services
coalition,
as
well
as
the
coordinator
for
our
continuum
of
care
and
today
we're
presenting
on
a
needs
assessment
that
was
commissioned
by
thompson's
county,
the
city
of
ithaca
and
our
continuum
of
care
from
lisa
horn
from
foreign
research
and
to
really
kind
of
look
at
the
gaps
and
barriers
in
our
homeless
response
system
in
tompkins
county.
N
So
she
generated
that
report
that
we
shared
fees
finding
and
recommendations
in
particular,
were
those
that
were
highlighted
by
our
coc
governance
committee
that
we
wanted
to
share.
So,
although
we
weren't
able
to
capture
all
of
the
elements
of
the
report
in
this
presentation
today,
these
are
the
ones
that
our
governance
committee
found
to
be
most
salient
for
this
presentation.
N
Great.
So,
in
terms
of
our
agenda,
we're
going
to
start
off
with
some
definitions
and
methodologies
that
they're
all
on
the
same
page
about
what
we're
talking
about
and
then
some
data
video
will
chime
in
on
the
recommendations
and
then
we'll
open
it
up
for
questions
so
first,
I
just
wanted
to
start
with
the
mission
of
rectangulum
of
care.
So
in
case
you
weren't
aware
the
tompkins
good
thing
about
care.
N
New
york
510
is
a
local
community
planning
network
of
public,
private
and
nonprofit
partners,
so
everyone
from
housing
providers
to
street
outreach
to
city
planners
anyone
who
has
an
interest
or
some
kind
of
stake
in
our
homeless
response
system.
N
We
invite,
in
with
the
mission
of
making
homelessness,
rare
brief
and
one
time
in
toxins
county
and
there's
a
few
ways
that
we
meet.
That
goal
first,
is
by
organizing
that
community-wide
effort
to
prevent
and
end
homelessness,
so
we
have
regular
meetings
as
a
part
of
our
education
arm.
We
also
have
committees.
We
also
manage
our
county-wide
homeless
management
information
system,
which
is
kind
of
a
live
database
about
who's
experiencing
homelessness.
N
Now,
in
tompkins
county
we
also
provide
funding
and
support
to
nonprofit
agencies,
so
we're
the
collaborative
applicant
to
hud
for
a
lot
of
our
supportive
housing
funding,
and
then
we
also
support
access
to
supportive
housing,
supportive
services
and
housing.
So,
like
I
mentioned,
I'm
the
coordinated
entry
lead,
so
coordinated
entry
is
a
system
where
we
can
maintain
a
waitlist
for
all
homeless
individuals
to
get
access
to
the
supportive
services
that
they
are
best
suited
for.
N
So
that's
a
little
bit
about
the
continuum
of
care
and
why
we're
giving
you
this
presentation
today
and
just
some
definitions
to
get
started.
So
how
do
we
define
homelessness
in
our
continuum
of
care?
We
follow
hud's
definition
of
homelessness.
So
when
we
talk
about
literal
homelessness,
we're
talking
about
people
sleeping
in
a
place
not
meant
for
human
habitation
so
outside
in
a
car
or
in
our
emergency
shelter
through
dss
individuals.
N
Individuals
who
are
fleeing
domestic
violence
are
also
considered
homeless,
but
this
doesn't
cover
people
at
risk
of
homelessness,
so
people
are
doubled
up
couch
surfing
people
who
have
to
leave
their
residents
are
not
included
in
our
definition
of
literal
homelessness.
N
How
do
we
define
permanent
housing?
This
is
just
housing
where
tenants
can
live
indefinitely
and
provides
rights
of
tenure,
and
then
how
do
we
define
supportive
housing
is
really
affordable.
Housing
where
tenants
have
access
to
support
services,
so
regular
case
management,
so
methodology.
How
did
lisa
find
this
data
and
generate
these
findings
and
recommendations?
First,
she
did
a
deep
data
dive,
so
she
looked
at
our
point
in
time
count
which
is
kind
of
a
snapshot
of
where
we
count
our
sheltered
and
unsheltered
homeless
population.
N
One
night
in
january
and
report
that
to
hud
she
looked
at
our
housing
inventory
count.
So
what
is
the
available
housing
in
our
coc
and
how
many
of
those
subsidies
how
many
of
those
supportive
housing
beds
are
being
used?
She
looked
at
our
annual
performance
report,
our
system
performance
measures.
So
that's
really
looking
at
how
well
our
coc
is
performing
and
exiting
people
to
permanent
destinations.
N
So
through
that
we
can
see
how
quickly
people
are
moving
through
the
system
where
people
are
being
exited
to
and
if
they're
returning
to
homelessness
and
then
finally,
like
I
mentioned
our
homeless
management
information
system,
so
that
real
life,
real-time
tracking
of
who's,
experiencing
homelessness
in
tompkins
county
there's,
also
some
other
assessments
that
were
included
that
were
performed
within
the
last
10
years.
That
also
kind
of
looked
at
homelessness
and
housing
in
tompkins
county.
N
She
also
did
some
qualitative
interviews
with
stakeholders
and
people
with
lived
experience
of
homelessness
and
then
compared
all
that
data
to
9
coc,
so
those
immediately
surrounding
concrete
county,
as
you
can
see
in
this
map
here,
as
well
as
some
other
cocs
that
have
similar
population
sizes
or
geographic
makeup,
so
now
getting
to
the
data.
So
these
are
the
primary
data
observations
that
we
wanted
to
highlight.
N
So
the
first
one
is
the
length
of
stay
and
it's
exactly
what
it
sounds
like
it's
how
long
people
are
staying
in
our
emergency
shelter
and
we
have
seen
that
has
increased.
So
in
funding
year
2020,
the
average
length
of
stay
for
all
households
was
91
days
in
our
emergency
shelter.
So
on
average,
that's
about
three
months
that
people
are
spending
in
our
emergency
shelter
before
they
are
exited
to
any
destination
measure
two
is
returns
to
homelessness.
N
So
after
we
exit
someone
to
a
permanent
destination,
how
many
people
are
returning
to
homelessness
and
that's
about
32
for
us,
so
we
are
seeing
a
lot
of
returns
to
homelessness
in
tompkins
county
when
we're
comparing
that
to
those
cocs
in
that
previous
map,
and
then
the
final
measure
that
we
just
wanted
to
highlight
is,
first
time
homelessness
and
chronic
homelessness.
N
So
we
are
seeing
more
chronic
homelessness
in
our
continuum
of
care,
about
half
of
our
homeless
population
at
this
point
or
45.1
percent
are
chronically
homeless,
and
I
just
have
a
few
breaths
and
you
know,
representations
to
kind
of
bring
home
those
points.
So
we're
talking
about
length
of
stay.
You
know
looking
at
why
people
are
why
are
like
the
stay
in
emergency?
Shelter
is
increasing
it's
because
we
are
seeing
this
bottleneck
effect
across
our
programs.
N
So
if
we're
looking
at
2021,
we
had
122
people
that
we
knew
were
experiencing
literal
homelessness
in
tompkins
county,
but
we
only
had
22
beds
available
in
our
continuum
of
care
to
support
those
people.
So
what
we're
seeing
is
between
you
know,
low
vacancy
rates
across
our
programs
across
low-cost
housing
in
tompkins
county
generally
are
there's
just
no
beds
to
move
people
into
between
those
local
vacancy
rates.
There's
also
the
high
cost
of
rents
in
the
city
of
ithaca.
N
Even
when
people
do
have
subsidies
to
be
able
to
afford
you
know
other
permanent
beds
or
permanent
destinations.
Sometimes
those
high
rent
costs
are
too
high
for
them
to
be
able
to
use
the
subsidy
on
that
unit.
So
we
are
really
seeing
a
lack
of
low-cost
housing
to
be
able
to
move
our
homeless
population
to
once.
They
enter
our
homeless
response
system.
N
Yeah.
That's
pretty
much
demonstrated
here,
there's
a
little
graph
about
returns
to
homelessness.
So,
as
you
can
see,
these
are
all
the
cocs
that
lisa
compared
rcoc2
and
you
can
see
that
ours
are
the
highest
at
32
in
funding
year.
2020.
N
And
then,
finally,
types
of
homelessness,
so
we
are
seeing
a
decrease
in
the
first
time
enrolled
proportionally
compared
to
people
who
are
previously
enrolled
in
the
shelter
or
other
programming,
or
that
we
know
of
a
homeless
history,
and
we
are
seeing
that
increase
in
our
chronic
chronically
homeless
population
to
being
about
half
of
our
homeless
population.
N
What
is
causing
these
trends?
So
I
kind
of
touched
on
this
already,
but
our
low
cost
housing
stock
is
critically
low.
We
are
simply
having
a
hard
time
moving
people
out
of
our
emergency,
shelter
and
out
of
our
homeless
response
system,
because
there's
no
beds
for
them
to
go
to
individuals
experiencing
homelessness
are
having
trouble
both
accessing
and
maintaining
housing
and
services.
N
So
that's
when
we're
talking
about
chronic
homelessness
and
returns
to
homelessness,
we're
just
finding
that,
even
when
people
are
exited
to
permanent
destinations,
there
are
some
difficulties
with
maintaining
that
housing
and
then
finally,
the
projects
who
are
that
are
funded
through
our
coc
are
constrained
in
their
capacity
to
adequately
serve
our
homeless
population
in
its
entirety.
So
we
have
that
low
number
of
feds,
but
also
just
eligibility
for
those
units
just
constrains
our
capacity
to
adequately
serve
everyone
who's
experiencing
homelessness.
N
So
some
other
data
observations
that
I
just
we
wanted
to
mention
as
well.
So
first
is
couchsurfers.
So,
like
I
mentioned
earlier,
people
who
are
couch
surfing
and
people
who
are
doubled
up
are
not
included
in
that
hud
definition
of
literal
homelessness,
but
they
do
represent
a
sizeable
population
of
tompkins
county.
That
is
a
at
a
high
risk
of
homelessness,
so
they're
not
served
by
our
coc
they're,
not
counted
by
our
cuc,
despite
the
likelihood
that
they
are
going
to
experience
continued
homelessness.
N
I
just
wanted
to
note
that
our
emergency
shelter
system
at
this
moment
does
require
that
if
someone
has
somewhere
else
to
stay,
if
someone
has
somewhere
else
to
be
doubled
up
with
someone
that
they
go
to
that
situation
before
they
enter
emergency
shelter.
So
we
those
diversion
efforts
exist,
but
there's
no
targeted
outreach
for
that
population
once
they
return
to
that
double
up
situation
to
serve
them
before
they
need
emergency
shelter.
N
So
and
some
other
data
observations.
We
are
seeing
some
racial
disparities
and
who
is
experiencing
homelessness
in
our
coc.
So
we
see
that
black
and
african
american
and
hispanic
latino
households
are
disproportionately
represented
in
our
homeless
population
and
that
black
and
african
american
adults
in
particular,
are
more
likely
to
return
to
homelessness
than
households
led
by
white
adults,
and
so
we're
interested
in
kind
of
determining
why
we're
seeing
these
racial
disparities.
N
We
do
see
a
lot
of
them
more
in
our
transitional
housing
than
in
some
of
our
other
destinations
for
people,
but
we
are
interested
in
kind
of
exploring
some
more
of
those
and
then
finally,
considerations
for
youth.
So
a
lot
of
interviewed
youth
indicated
that
they
generally
just
have
a
lack
of
knowledge
of
the
available
resources
and
are
more
resistant
to
utilizing
the
emergency,
shelter,
so
they're
more
likely
to
be
represented
in
that
couch,
surfing
population
and
underserved,
because
there
isn't
as
much
targeted
outreach
to
couch
surfers
to
prevent
them
from
becoming
literally
homeless.
N
So
those
are
just
a
few
data
observations,
though
our
governance
committee
wanted
to
bring
up
and
decide.
It
was
notable
for
this
presentation.
I'm
gonna
pass
it
over
to
lydia
to
talk
about
some
of
the
recommendations
that
our
governance
committee
also
put
together.
J
Thanks
simone,
so
what
are
we
going
to
do
right?
We
just
got
a
pretty
like
heavy
bit
of
data
and
information.
I
just
want
I'm
just
going
to
add
that
it
was.
It
was
interesting
to
go
through
this
really
deep
dive
into
our
data
and
the
process
of
this
pretty
large
scale
report,
because
I
the
whole
time
I
was
hoping
that
we
were
going
to
find
something
new
and
we
didn't
right.
J
I
just
wanted
to
start
by
saying
that,
so
these
are
our
recommendations.
They
are
ranked
in
order
of
priority
by
our
continuum
of
care
governance
committee,
as
simone
mentioned,
so
this
is
them
briefly,
but
we'll
just
move
on
to
the
next
slides
and
I'll
dive
into
each
of
them
a
little
bit.
So,
let's
see
our
next
slide,
please
our
number
one
recommendation
to
disrupt
the
high
level
of
returns
to
homelessness
and
long
lengths
of
stay
and
chronic
homelessness
in
our
system
is
to
support
the
creation
of
additional
permanent
supportive
housing
in
our
community.
J
Currently,
in
our
community,
we
have
about
83
beds
of
permanent
supportive
housing
units,
we'll
call
them
units,
because
some
of
them
are
larger
than
one
bedroom
and
they
worked
pretty
well
at
both
quickly
using
a
housing
first
perspective
to
get
somebody
quickly
stabilized
into
permanent
housing
and
then
adding
person-centered
wrap-around
supports
to
those
folks
once
they've
already
entered
the
housing
unit.
J
So
it
takes
away
folks
who
are
able
to
enter
into
permanent
supportive
housing,
face
a
lot
less
barriers
at
entry
to
housing
and
can
easily
transition
from
the
shelter
or
even
the
street,
into
permanent
supportive
housing,
because
those
locations
are
set
up
to
serve
people
with
higher
needs.
So
the
data
shows
us
that
people
have
much
lower
returns
to
homelessness,
who
who
exited
to
a
permanent
supportive
housing
destination
and,
like
it
says
this.
This
held
true
for
everybody,
but
it
showed
up
the
most
for
black
and
african
american
households
in
our
system.
J
J
J
We
are
choosing
to
be
really
careful
about
using
the
word
affordable
housing
in
this
presentation,
because
we
are
sort
of
eminently
aware
that,
while
there's
a
known
definition
of
what
affordable
housing
is,
it
doesn't
feel
affordable
to
the
population
that
we're
talking
about
here.
So,
even
though
there
have
been
sort
of
a
lot
of
affordable
housing
units
developed
in
the
last
year
and
there's
some
more
in
the
pipeline,
those
units
are
still
out
of
reach
for
people
who
are
currently
experiencing
homelessness
or
using
a
number
of
subsidies
or
vouchers
to
pay
for
their
housing.
J
We
are
also
using
the
word
sros
in
this
slide
single
room
occupancies,
but
what
we
really
mean
are
small
units,
so
the
single
room,
occupancy
model
is
sometimes
associated
with,
like
a
boarding
house
model.
I
think
what
we're
really
saying
here
are
small
units
for
single
households,
and
that
is
illustrated
in
the
data
that
you
can
see
on
the
slide.
J
Just
to
show
you
what
the
household
composition
types
were
like
for
household
in
our
system,
so
there
were
53
families
in
our
system
in
that
year,
adults
with
children
in
their
household
they
had
a.
J
J
Our
third
recommendation
is
to
create
and
fund
an
enhanced
housing
navigation
style
service.
So
one
thing
that
we
heard
and
are
aware
of
our
data
reflects
is
that
people
for
an
array
of
reasons,
struggle
kind
of
at
every
point
of
their
journey
to
from
homelessness
to
permanent
housing
and
feel
unsupported
by
any
particular
agency
or
group.
In
that
journey
it
feels
fragmented
to
people
there's
a
lot
of
frustration
about
repetitive,
having
to
fill
the
same
thing
out
a
lot
of
times,
it's
sort
of
hazy
and
unclear
to
navigate
a
housing
system.
J
I
think
probably
a
lot
of
us
have
experienced
being
in
one
of
these
kinds
of
meetings
and
somebody's
trying
to
explain
like
section
aid,
public
housing
and
the
systems
are
very
complicated.
They
are
complicated
for
professionals
to
navigate
and
even
harder
for
people
experiencing
homelessness.
So
this
recommendation
speaks
to
the
need
for
intensive
case
management
services
for
people
who
are
invested
and
interested
in
accessing
those
services
in
order
to
attain
their
hou
a
permanent
housing
destination,
as
we
call
it
in
hudland.
J
J
Oh,
this
is
our
quote
that
this
is
a
lot,
I'm
not
going
to
read
the
whole
quote
because
I
don't
like
reading
whole
quotes,
but
what
really
stood
out
to
us.
We
have
put
an
orange
for
you
today
today,
but
this
speaks
to
that
decentralized
feeling
in
our
homeless
response
system.
J
People
struggle
they
struggle
to
navigate
the
system,
and
it
is
hard
to
do
alone
and
it's
hard
there's
communication
barriers,
sort
of
built
into
the
silos
that
exist
within
our
system
right
now,
so
providers
even
struggle
to
communicate
with
one
another
about
housing,
navigation
and
actually
end
up
spinning
their
wheels
a
lot
so
because
one
person
is
getting
helped
by
a
lot
of
little
places.
J
This
is
our
fourth
recommendation.
We
recommend-
and
this
is
a
little
like
out
of
the
box
for
coc
who
traditionally
has
been
like
we
serve
people
experiencing
literal
homelessness,
but
one
thing
that
this
research
has
brought
to
the
forefront
is
that
we
do
have
a
lack
of
prevention
services
in
our
continuum
and
so
a
common
pathway
to
homelessness
involved
like
there
are
places
at
which
prevention
could
have
stepped
in
and
made
it
so
that
person
never
came
into
our
homeless
response
system
at
all.
J
But
we
don't
know
how
to
find
the
people.
There
are
people
who
need
prevention
services
and
there
are
some
actual
prevention
services,
but
there's
no
way
to
we
aren't
doing
outreach
with
our
prevention.
I
guess
is
the
best
way
to
say
that,
so
we
recommend
heightening
our
outreach
specifically
to
youth
who
are
experiencing
homelessness.
People
of
color
and
people
who
are
in
that
couch
surfer
doubled
up
position.
J
We
believe
in
investing
that
energy
could
prevent
people
from
experiencing
homelessness
for
the
first
time
or
returning
to
homelessness
after
having
exited
homelessness.
J
J
Our
fifth
recommendation
from
the
report
is
to
expand
the
capacity
of
our
emergency
shelter.
We
have
a
pretty
small
on-site
shelter,
there's
20
beds
on
site
in
in
our
emergency
shelter.
Here
since
coveted,
I
don't
believe
that
they've
ever
been
at
full
capacity
for
those
beds,
but
they,
but
they
could
be,
and
then
we
use
hotels
and
motels
for
our
overflow
beds
for
people
when
the
shelter
is
full
and
there's
usually
about
60
of
those
hotel
motel
beds
in
use
at
any
given
time
in
our
system.
J
So
the
expansion
of
capacity
of
the
size
of
our
emergency
shelter
would
mitigate
some
of
the
things
that
we
have
heard
and
found
which
is
has
to
do
with
well,
a
the
emergency
shelter
if
it
was
in
its
current
location,
is
much
more
accessible
to
services
and
appointments
and
places
that
people
are
required
to
be
as
part
of
their
maintaining
their
approval
for
the
shelter
it
helps
people
be
a
little
more
connected
to
social
services,
loaves
and
fishes
all
of
the
places
that
people
expect
it's
a
lot
of
work
to
be
homeless
and
it
all
happens
in
downtown
ithaca.
J
Currently,
it
would
also
increase
the
level
of
contact
between
shelter,
staff
and
shelter
stayers.
In
a
way
that
we
believe
would
support
people
experiencing
homelessness
in
their
ability
to
transition
out
of
the
emergency
shelter,
because
they'd
be
building
those
relationships
of
trust
with
professionals.
Currently,
people
who
are
in
the
hotel,
motel
part
of
the
emergency
shelter
do
have
some
contact
with
shelter
staff,
but
they
are
primarily
interacting
with
motel
staff,
which
is
they
have
different
training
requirements
and
levels
of
compassion.
Then
I
would
say
our
shelter
staff.
We
do
next
slide.
J
Thank
you.
That's
our
last
slide.
That's
a
lot
of
information.
I
I'm
pretty
sure
that
everyone
has
the
full
report
at
their
disposal
as
well.
It's
a
big
read,
but
it
it
is
worth
the
read.
I
think,
there's
a
lot
to
digest.
There's
different
people
have
definitely
like
landed
on
different
parts
of
the
report.
There
are
things
that
we
were
not
able
to
include
in
this
presentation
that
are
are
certainly
important
to
so.
I
hope
that
you
find
the
time
to
read
the
real
report
and
we're
happy
to
answer
any
questions
for
you
now.
A
Thank
you,
simone
and
liddy
very
sobering
and
insightful
report,
and
you
have
demonstrated
through
this,
these
slides
and
the
full
report
the
need
the
need
in
our
community
so
open
it
up
for
questions
from
committee.
D
A
H
J
Yes,
so
there
are,
I
believe,
18
it
could
be
20.
I
can't
remember
one
of
those
numbers
of
units
in
the
founders
way:
project
that's
funded
through
its
empire
state,
supportive
housing
initiative,
you'll,
hear
people
call
it
eshai.
Those
units
come
with
a
subsidy,
a
rent,
subsidy
and
a
significant
amount
of
money
for
case
management.
J
Those
are
being
managed
by
a
partnership
between
salvation
army
and
the
learning
web
and
focus
on
youth,
but
actually
have
a
number
of
different
categories
that
are
eligible
and
then
green
street
austere
project
has
40
units
of
also
eshai
funded
housing
that
has
a
chronic
homeless
priority.
J
J
A
I
wonder
if
you
could
also
comment
on
housing
choice,
vouchers
and
if
there
has
been
any,
I
I
hate
to
even
ask
this
question,
but
is
there
any
expansion
of
units
landlords
taking
housing,
choice,
vouchers
and
vouchers
themselves?
Any
increase
in
our
community.
J
This
is
something
that
hsc
is
working
on
and
has
a.
We
have
a
small
program
devoted
to
increasing
the
number
of
people
with
the
number
of
units
available
people
vouchers.
The
short
answer
is
no:
no,
no
people
don't
want
vouchers,
they
want
money
and
they
want
more
of
it
than
the
voucher
can
pay,
for.
There
are
additional
vouchers
coming
into
our
community
right,
so
there
are
more
people
who
are
able
to
get
either
a
housing
choice.
J
Voucher,
there's
a
few
like
there's
an
emergency
housing
voucher
program,
there's
a
few
additional
vouchers
floating
around
right
now,
but
I
have
not
seen
any
sort
of
loosening
in
the
available
units
for
voucher
holders.
I
will
say,
without
getting
too
like
off
the
script
that
there's
a
and
a
a
small
wave
I'd
call
it
like
a
small
eviction
wave
coming
bigger
than
small
medium
eviction
wave
coming
on
the
docket
already
we
know
it's
there
starts
tomorrow.
Some
of
those
persons
will
lose
their
housing
and
a
voucher
holder
will
access
it.
J
That's
not
a
perfect
solution,
it's
literal
musical
chairs,
but
the
rental
market
is
covid,
has
skewed
it
in
a
number
of
ways,
and
one
of
the
ways
is
that
there
wasn't
a
natural
sort
of
people
leaving
a
unit
and
other
people
coming
into
the
unit.
People
were
staying
with
their
in
their
units
a
little
bit
longer
during
covet.
J
A
D
Hi
lydia
and
simone.
Thank
you
so
much
for
the
presentation,
one
of
the
things
that
I'm
hoping
that
you
can
touch
on
and
there's
there's
two
questions
of
the
numbers
of
of
homeless,
that
you
are
you're
monitoring.
What
is
the
percentage
of
individuals
that
are
sanctioned?
D
D
Because
I
I
do
see-
and
I
I
absolutely
100-
support
all
of
these
recommendations,
but
I
am
also
very
mindful
that
there
you
might
go
forward
with
these
recommendations,
but
there's
a
bulk
of
individuals
that,
even
if
this
was
done,
they
still
would
not
have
access
to
it
because
of
their
sanction
status.
So
what
is
that
percentage?
And.
J
J
J
No
better
terminology,
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
I
I
understand
what
you're
saying
now
so
for
cont
for
housing
for
permanent
housing,
for
any
of
her,
for
anything
that
the
coc
is
referring
to
your
ability
to
attain
dss
services
or
not,
is
irrelevant.
J
There's
a
sanction
does
not
prevent
you
from
being
housed
at
a
permanent,
supportive
housing
site
at
all,
so
it
doesn't
sanctions
dss
sanctions
which
are
local
or
county
or
state.
However,
you
want
to
think
about
it.
Don't
aren't
connected
to
permanent
supportive
housing.
A
person
with
a
sanction
can
go
into
permanent,
supportive
housing.
J
There
is
a
plan
that
there
is
a
population
of
people
who
are
unable
to
enter
into
permanent
supportive
housing
or
voucher,
federally
funded,
voucher
programs
and
there's
two
groups
that
are
like
100
not
allowed,
and
one
are
people
who
have
a
conviction
for
manufacturing
methamphetamines
in
housing,
which
is
a
pretty
specific
conviction,
but
that's
the
rule
and
then
other.
The
second
category
are
people
who
are
required
to
be
lifetime,
registrants
of
the
sex
offender
registry,
other
than
that
all
persons
are
theoretically
eligible
for
any
of
those
permanent
supportive
housing
options.
J
J
Not
directly
linked
to
continuum
of
care
project
projects,
it's
hard
to
explain.
We
don't
have
a
number
for
the
number
of
people
who
are
sanctioned,
but
dss
probably
does,
I
would
say,
know
how
many
people
are
sanctioned
of
this
population
because
they
share
our
hmis
data
but
have
their
own
database
for
local
data.
D
E
I
J
J
It's
the
lowest
barrier
way
to
house
people
with
barriers
to
housing.
A
A
Yeah,
okay,
did
you
have
a
follow-up
cynthia.
D
I
guess
one
of
the
things
I'm
I'm
also
observing,
and
I
wondered
if
you
could
touch
on
is
you
know,
there's
also
individuals
who
struggle
working
within
a
society
where
there
are
expectations
and
normative
behaviors
that
we
expect
of
others,
and
perhaps
again,
as
you
mentioned,
permanent
supportive
housing
would
be
the
most
appropriate
way
to
assist
individuals
and
transition
them
into
into
other
permanent
housing
options.
But
having
that
wraparound
support
and
assistance
is
really
key
to
addressing
the
needs
of
of
our
growing
population.
A
L
Thank
you
for
that
that
that
informational,
very
good
that
was
that
was
just
really
so
I
mean
y'all
really
did
your
work.
You
really
did
your
work.
You
really
really
did
your
work
and
it
brought
up
a
lot
of
things
for
me
right.
It
brought
up
that
for
one
when
you
talk
about
it,
it
was
clear
about
who
this
homelessness
affects
as
most
everything
in
in
in
our
community.
L
You
know
black
and
brown
and
latino
and,
though,
are
hit
the
hardest
with
a
lot
of
these
things,
and
I
think
what
what
kept
coming
to
me
is
the
point
of
that,
because
housing
in
ithaca
is
so
high.
It
still
does
not
so
people
hit
the
housing,
but
they
still
are
behind
right,
so
they
will
wind
up
homeless
again
right
because
of
you
know
other
things.
So
what
I'm
saying
is
we
talked
about
having
a
wraparound
but
a
wraparound
of
more
like
other
services
working
together.
L
L
I
know
been
there
done
that
right,
and
so
so,
so
what
what
was
coming
up
for
me
too,
is
that
how
do
we
interact
all
these
different
pieces
that
go
together
right,
because
a
lot
of
it
is
about
systemic
racism
is
why
many
of
those
people
are
in
the
places
that
they're
in-
and
I
don't
know
so-
that's
a
conversation
that
doesn't
come
up.
People
kind
of
go
over
that
and
dodge
that
type
of
stuff.
But
many
people
are
in
the
situation
because
of
the
way
our
systems
have
been
set
up.
L
L
So
I
work
at
the
alliance
of
families
for
justice,
so
I
have
a
lot
of
people
who
come
through
there
who
talk
about
how
long
and
how
hard
it
is
to
try
to
get
housing
right,
and
we
have
this
big
thing,
so
I'm
so
glad
y'all
said
that
piece
about
not
using
affordable
housing
right.
So
I
really
want
to
thank
y'all
for
a
valuable,
valuable
presentation
and
it's
going
to
make
me
really
think
tonight
and
really
talk
more
about.
L
How
do
we,
you
know
and
another
thing
people
don't
bring
up-
is
gentrification
right,
do
not
bring
up
gentrification
in
these
conversations
and
that
has
pushed
while
we're
at
where
we're
at
so
anyway.
Thank
you
very
much.
I
just
wanted
to
thank
you
all.
C
N
N
That's
called
the
housing
stability
supplement
program
and
through
that
we,
you
know,
people
receive
a
basic
income,
but
they
also
work
with
our
two
on
one
housing
specialist,
which
is
someone
who
has
a
special
focus
on
housing,
but
also
knows
about
all
of
the
resources
that
are
available
through
our
two-on-one
information
and
referral
line,
and
it
kind
of
helps
to
provide
some
of
those
wraparound
like
resources
and
referrals,
to
help
support
people
in
all
those
different
elements
and
really
build
that
relationship
and
so
that
they
can
have
one
person
they
go
to
and
say,
like
hey,
you
know
my
car
broke
down.
N
I
need
some
help
with
that.
Where,
where
do
I
go?
So
we're
really
seeing
some
success
like
with
that
program
with
that
model?
And
that's
my
co-worker
here,
brad
iris
she's,
doing
a
really
great
job,
I'm
just
connecting
people
with
those
resources
and
focusing
on
that
sustainability
of
okay.
You
know
we
were
working
on
housing
stability
right
now,
but
how
can
we
also
sustain
future
housing
stability
even
after
the
program
is
over,
so
that
has
been
a
model.
N
We've
seen
be
very
successful
and
I'm
interested
to
see
what
we
can
build
on
that
when
we're
thinking
about
enhanced
habit,
housing,
navigation
and
the
potential
for
that.
So
thank
you
for
your
comments.
It's
nice
to
meet
you.
A
A
Actually,
this
is
a
very
nice
segue
because
we
will
now
be
turning
to
the
and
this
will
be
a
voting
item.
The
hud,
the
2022
action
plan-
and
there
was
a
revised
resolution
sent
out
late
this
afternoon
to
committee
members.
A
But
we
can
walk
you
through
wesley.
We,
I
will
turn
to
my
very
talented
colleague,
anissa
mendez,
who
does
just
great
work
in
getting
information
out
to
individuals
and
to
organizations
about
the
programs
that
are
available
through
the
hud
entitlement
program
and
then
meeting
with
organizations
and
working
with
the
iura
on
making
recommendations.
A
Resolution
in
your
packet
and
then
I
will
turn
it
over
to
to
anissa
for
questions
and
in
your
packet.
You
also
have
the
recommendations
of
awards
that
have
been
discussed
and
determined
by
the
iura.
I
I
A
A
And
one
and
ninety
six
cents
cdbg
recaptured
on
allocated
funds;
three
hundred
thirty
thousand
dollars
home
2022
allocation,
13
dollars,
three
hundred
fifteen
dollars
and
forty
cents
in
home,
recaptured
on
allocated
funds
for
a
total
of
one
million.
One
hundred
thirty,
two
thousand
one
hundred
seventeen.
A
Whereas
the
iura
recommended
action
plan
includes
contingencies
to
accommodate
the
possibility
that
actual
hud
allocations
may
differ
from
the
anticipated
allocation
specifically,
should
the
city's
2022
home
allocation
be
greater
than
anticipated.
Funding
for
the
following
recommended
activities
will
be
increased,
inhs
homeowner,
rehab
project,
inhs
sears
street
development
project.
A
A
A
Should
the
city's
2022
cdbg
allocation
be
less
than
anticipated.
Funding
for
the
following
recommended
activities
will
be
decreased
according
to
three
priorities
in
the
following
order:
catholic
charities
building
inhs
deduct
85
percent
of
the
project.
Funding
decrease
from
this
project,
latino
no
mos
lagramas
deduct
up
to
1400
of
the
project.
Funding
decrease
from
this
project.
A
Gia
computer
lab
1896
per
computer
station
deduct
any
further
project
funding
decreased
from
this
project,
whereas
the
iura
used
an
open
and
competitive
project
selection
process
for
development
of
the
2022
action
plan,
in
accordance
with
the
city
of
ithaca's
citizen
participation
plan
and
whereas
a
public
hearing
on
the
draft
action
plan
was
held
earlier
this
evening,
may
18
2022
now,
therefore
be
it
resolved.
The
common
council
hereby
adopts
cities,
2022
hud
entitlement
annual
action
plan,
including
the
attached
summary
table.
A
2022
action
plan
and
iso
move
rob
seconds
and
we'll
open
this
up
for
discussion
before
we
open
it
for
questions.
It
may
be
helpful
anissa.
If
you
don't
mind
me
turning
to
you
for
clarification,
because
I
understand
there
were
updates
from
hud
that
came
just
yesterday.
So
thank
you
for
you
and
nells
having
very
speedy
worked
on
these.
These
changes
that
we'll
hear.
I
A
I
Yes,
thank
you.
Thank
you
for
reading
that
very
lengthy
resolution,
a
lot
of
complexity,
a
lot
of
numbers.
So
yes,
I'm
here
to
talk
about
the
plan
that
has
been
created
and
also
provide
this
update
that
laura
just
spoke
about
just
yesterday.
Hud
notified
us
of
our
official
and
actual
awards
for
the
upcoming
2022
program
year,
so
just
to
clarify
up
until
this
variable
might
we've
been
working
with
estimates.
I
I
We've
had
to
work
with
these
estimates
throughout
the
planning
process,
because,
due
to
the
delay
in
the
federal
budget
process,
hud
did
not
have
its
official
awards
to
be.
You
know
could
not
calculate
those
awards
until
the
federal
budget
was
adopted,
and
so
then,
following
its
statute,
it
had
until
may
14th
to
notify
us,
which
I
think
it
actually
may
have
done
through
the
postal
service.
But
we
just
found
out
yesterday
what
our
actual
awards
are,
and
there
is
a
there's,
been
a
reduction
in
both
streams.
I
So
the
actual
award
for
cdbg
instead
of
the
668
000
that
you
see
on
the
screen,
is
going
to
be
six
hundred
and
thirty,
three
thousand
three
six
hundred
thirty
three
three
hundred
thirty
three
dollars.
So
six,
three,
three
three
three:
three,
and
instead
of
the
330
000
that
you
see
on
the
screen
for
home,
we
will
receive
316.
I
I
If
my
math
is
correct
on
the
fly
there,
so
that
means
that
we
will
implement
the
contingencies
that
were
put
in
place
inc
in
case
our
our
award
was
decreased,
so
the
homeowner
rehab
project
will
be
deducting
funds
from
that.
The
total
amount
that
will
be
deducted
is
in
the
11
000
range,
because
please
remember
that
there
there's
also
money,
that's
going
to
be
directed
to
our
admin
lines
and
then
but
the
seer
street
development
will
not
be
affected.
I
Then
we'll
move
down
to
further
in
the
resolution
where
the
cdbg
allocation,
where
that
is
less,
the
catholic
charities
building,
will
be
affected
primarily
and
that
will
receive
23
573
dollars
less
than
anticipated
or
less
than
was
recommended
for
them.
Then
nomus
lagrimas
will
receive
fourteen
hundred
dollars
less
and
the
gi
computer
lab
will
receive
two
thousand
seven
hundred
sixty
dollars
less
so
part
of
how
this
the
cdbg
area
was
structured.
I
To
give
you
a
little
background
on
why
the
catholic
charities
portion
is
so
much
larger
as
a
scaling,
then
number
two
and
number
three
no
muslims
in
the
gi
computer
lab
is
that
only
15
of
any
hud
award
that
we
were
any
cdbg
award
that
we
receive
can
be
used
for
public
services,
both
nomas
lagrimas
and
the
computer
lab
are
in
the
public
services
category,
so
catholic
charities
building,
which
is
cdbg
funded,
is
a
public,
is
in
the
category.
I
That's
considered
a
public
facility
and
so
85
of
the
cdbg
funds
go
to
the
three
categories
that
are
not
public
services.
So
that's
why
the
re,
the
reduction.
When
you
look
at
these
three
programs,
why
the
reduction
in
the
catholic
charities
building
was
so
much
greater
than
either
of
the
public
services.
I
can
explain
that
in
more
detail,
if
you
want,
but
just
wanted
to
give
you
a
little
overview
of
that,
so
that
that
is
the
resolution.
I
I
can
answer
detailed
questions
on
that,
but
before
we
go
there,
I
thought
you
might
like
a
little
bit
of
a
snapshot
of
what
the
applications
were.
This
year
you
did
see
the
black
and
white
matrix
in
your
in
your
packet.
Was
there
to
show
you.
You
know
a
little
bit
more
about.
What's
been
going
on
in
the
process
we
received
21
on
time
applications
this
year.
Those
are
the
ones
that
are
outlined
on
the
black
and
white
matrix
in
your
packet.
I
I
The
total
amount
of
requests,
the
dollar
amount
of
requests,
far
exceeded
the
anticipated
amount
of
funds
or
and
even
the
actual
amount
of
funds
that
we
received
by
about
a
million
dollars.
That's
not
unusual,
though,
in
some
years
that
ratio
is
much
greater.
We
have
a
dollar
amount
of
requests.
That
is
much
much
greater
than
just
a
million
dollar
differential.
I
That
I
mentioned
it's
good
to
remember
that,
no
matter
what
amount
of
home
and
cdbg
funding
the
city
has
to
work
with,
these
funds
leverage
a
lot
of
other
funding
in
the
community,
and
you
can
see
that
on
the
spreadsheet
the
colorful
matrix
down
at
the
bottom
gives
you
some
of
those
numbers.
I
I
When
we
are
soliciting
applications
for
the
process,
we
often
we
do
ask
on
our
application.
How
much
secured
matching
funds
and
unsecured
matching
funds
that
have
been
applied
for
each
project
brings
with
it.
So
we
have
an
idea
of
how
how
many
other
funds
are
coming
to
the
table
to
to
be
able
to
make
these
projects
in
actuality?
I
Normally,
these
hud
funds
do
not
fully
fund
any
one
project.
That's
out
there
and
hud
does,
does
encourage
and
does
like
to
see
funds
being
leveraged
from
other
sources
with
the
hud
dollars.
The
applications
all
go
through.
A
very
careful
and
comprehensive
review
process
by
the
ira,
which
includes
included
another
public
hearing
where
there
are
public
presentations
by
all
the
applicants
and
the
reviewers,
had
a
chance
to
ask
questions,
and
there
are
actually
several
review
meetings
by
the
board
and
committees
prior
to
making
the
recommendations.
I
see
a
hand.
F
I
Oh
okay,
yes
let
me
go
there.
I
was
going.
I
was
going
to
talk
about
that
afterwards,
but
let
me
I
have
that
here
so
jack
will
receive
two
thousand
seven
hundred
and
sixty
dollars
less
than
was
recommended
and.
F
I
So
yeah
just
wanted
to
give
you
a
little
additional
information
that
we
don't
always
talk
about
in
terms
of
you
know
how
what
else
happens
in
the
action
planning
process,
we
have
five
new
applicants.
This
year,
two
of
those
five
new
applicants
were
funded.
It's
very
exciting
to
see
new
applicants
new
to
us
applicants,
not
that
they're
necessarily
new
organizations,
and
we
will
continue
to
do
outreach
to
all
of
the
community
to
try
to
always
have
more
new
applicants.
I
We
actually
have
some
plans
to
do
some
outreach
this
summer
to
that
end,
so
I
think
I
can
stop
there,
since
I'm
sure
you
have
a
lot
of
questions
or
some
questions
anyway,
that
I
hope
that
I
can
answer.
A
Yeah,
thank
you
and
I,
as
I
said,
I
do
appreciate
the
revisions.
I
know
that
this
is
complex
every
year.
There
is
the
possibility
that
funds
may
increase,
may
decrease
it's
unfortunate
this
year
that
we
saw
the
decrease
in
both
cdbg
and
home
funds,
but
those
figures
that
we
see
on
the
resolution
that
we'll
vote
on
after
discussion.
J
L
So
forgive
me
if
I'm
I'm
not
so
I'm
I'm,
I'm
I'm
a
little
un.
I
I
don't
know
much
about
this.
This
process
here
you
know
this
is
pretty
new
to
me,
but
after
listening
to
liddy
and
her
her
co-worker
and
then
listening
to
hud,
I'm
just
so,
I
I'm
trying
to
understand
what
is
housing
urban
development.
I
L
Yeah
so
and
and
then
so,
it's
kind
of
behooving
to
me
that.
L
We
still
have
the
issues
that
we
have
when
we
receive
this
kind
of
money.
Right
and
again
we
get
this
money
for
a
for
so-called
affordable
housing
and
those
same
people
get
funded
pretty
much
every
year,
but
we
just
hear
lydia
and
them
talk
about
that.
That
is
not
helping
the
population
right
right.
A
I'll
jump
in
I'll
just
jump
in
and
say
that
the
iura
and
nisa
in
particular
does
a
fair
amount
of
outreach
to
alert
organizations
in
the
community
about
the
hud
entitlement
program
and
what
you
do.
F
A
On
the
chart
is-
and
it's
very
small
print,
but
you
do
see
the
the
name
of
the
project,
the
sponsor
of
the
project,
the
funding
request.
So,
for
example,
if
you
look
down
under
public
services,
the
first
item,
the
first
project
listed,
is
2-1-1
information
and
referral
and
they
requested
from
the
iura
25
000.
They
there
is
a
recommendation
and
all
of
this
will
be
approved,
will
come
before
common
council
comes
before
pedc
first
and
the
iura
makes
recommendations
on
based
on
what
the
the
organization
is
requesting.
G
A
I'm
sure
I'm
sure
anissa
can
give
you
far
better
explanation
and
more
complete
explanation.
Thank
you.
I
Well,
I
appreciate
your
question
very
much
pb
and
I
would
absolutely
be
happy
to
sit
down
with
you
and
any
members
of
counsel,
any
member
of
the
community
who's
listening
tonight
to
talk
about
this
more
because
it
is
there's
a
lot
of
complexity
to
this,
and
it's
confusing
too
and
hud
does
not
necessarily
use
like
super
easy
to
understand
language,
at
least
for
me.
I
A
million
dollars
does
not
do
as
much
as
we
would
like
it
to
be
able
to
do
to
solve
all
the
problems
that
are
out
there.
So,
even
when
we
talk
about
especially
when
we
talk
about
establishing
housing,
constructing
housing.
I
But
I
hear
you
and
I
think
that
you
are
voicing
what
I
I've
heard
from
many
community
members
is
how
can
these
big
problems
still
exist
when
we
get
funds
like
this
from
hud
and
one
one
answer
to
that
is
like
we
do
not
receive
as
anywhere
near
as
much
money
as
we
would
need
to
to
really
solve
those
problems,
but
the
funding
the
funding
that
week
it
was
important
and
I'd
be
happy
to
talk
more
another
time,
because
I
know
that
other
people
have
questions.
A
Yeah
I'll
turn
to
rob
in
a
moment.
I
just
want
to
reiterate
something
that
elsa
anisa
said,
and
that
is
that
these
funds
also
help
these
organizations
leverage
other
funds,
so
that
too,
is
really
valuable
to
keep
keep
in
mind,
let
me
turn
to
rob.
L
A
G
Yeah,
thank
you
really,
not
a
question,
but
just
the
comment
that
picks
up
on
on
a
lot
of
the
this
conversation,
which
is
you
know,
as
the
as
the
new
liaison
from
common
council
to
the
iura,
replacing
laura
who
got
to
slide
into
the
mayor's
seat.
I
I
I
want
to
just
thank
anita
and
and
really
all
the
members
of
iura,
because
it
is
a
very
heavy
lift
to
go
through
and
and
try
to
make
connections
between.
G
G
I
hope
you
do
take-
take
them
up
on
the
opportunity
to
learn
more
because
I
think
it's
important
for
us
to
on
council
to
understand
how
this
comes
about
and-
and
I
think
when
we
can't
meet
the
needs
of
some
of
these
organizations
through
this
kind
of
funding.
It's
important
for
us
to
know
what
their
needs
are
and
we
might
be
able
to
find
other
sources
of
funding
for
them.
So
that's
that's
important.
So
thank
you
all
for
that
work.
A
Great,
thank
you
that
is
unanimous
and
thank
you
anissa
for
all
your
work
on
this.
It
is
it's
a
complex
and
important
part
of
of
the
work
you
do
for
the
iura
and,
as
mentioned,
the
resolution
will
be
updated
with
those
numbers,
as
it
comes
to
council
for
our
june
1
review.
A
Okay,
we'll
now
turn
to
the
east
hill
fire
station.
I
see
that
chief
parsons
has
joined
us
and
nells
is
here
as
well.
There's
a
very
helpful
cover
memo
in
our
packet
that
lays
out
what
is
being
asked
tonight.
I'll
just
refer
to
a
couple
of
lines
in
lisa's
memo.
A
So
I
will
well
let
me
read
the
the
resolution
and
then
we
can
begin
with
discussion
and
comments
from
nels
and
the
chief,
both
of
whom
will
be
far
far
better
at
explaining.
Yet.
B
A
A
That
permits
but
does
not
require
the
city
to
sell
309
college
ave
to
the
developer.
In
exchange.
For
two
parcels
located
at
403,
elmwood
avenue
and
408
dryden
road,
in
addition
to
cash
consideration
of
5.1
million
dollars
to
be
paid
to
the
city
on
the
terms
contained
within
the
option
agreement
and
whereas
section
507
of
general
municipal
law
authorizes
disposition
of
real
property
without
auction
or
sealed
bid
via
an
urban
renewal
process.
A
And
whereas
the
common
council
requests
the
iura
review.
The
terms
of
the
proposed
option,
agreement
and
structure
a
proposed
disposition
agreement
to
relocate
the
east
hall
fire
station.
Now,
therefore,
be
it
resolved
that
the
acting
mayor
subject
to
review
by
the
city
attorney
is
hereby
authorized
to
one
transfer.
The
309
college
app
site
to
the
iura
via
a
city,
iura
option
agreement,
two
assign
the
option
agreement
to
the
iura
and
three
execute
any
other.
A
Such
documents
as
may
be
necessary
to
enable
the
ira
to
undertake
an
urban
renewal
procedure
that
authorizes
a
negotiated
acquisition
and
sales
agreement,
and
we
had
further
resolved
that
the
option
with
the
developer
shall
not
be
exercised
by
iura
on
behalf
of
the
city.
Nor
shall
the
iura
authorize.
A
So
let
me
now
turn
it
over
to
mel's
and
chief
parsons.
I
do.
A
Yeah,
thank
you.
Thank
you.
Is
there
a
second
thank
you.
I
saw
rob's
hand
and
I
do
understand
there
were
some
comments
submitted
and
lisa.
There
were
a
few
comments
submitted
and
I
don't
know
if
there
are
any
that
you
want
to
read,
but
what
I
recall
the
comments
had
concerns
with
traffic.
A
With
road
conditions,
suitability
of
the
site,
it
is
the
case
and
chief
parsons
can
comment
on
this
in
greater
detail
that
currently,
from
the
college
ab
site,
fire
trucks
have
to
navigate
a
90
degree
turn
onto
college
avenue.
If
I'm
not
mistaken,
and
there
were
also
questions
about
number
of
calls
and
lisa
is
there
any
of
any
additional.
C
That
really
covers
it,
particularly
I
I
want
to
say
that
the
suitability
of
dryden
road
as
a
place
for
it
as
a
corridor
for
fire
trucks.
It
would
be
really
helpful
if
chief
carson's
contacted.
A
Yeah
and
I'll
just
add,
one
final
comment,
then
I'll
turn
it
over.
Cynthia
has
a
question
that
what
we're
reviewing
and
what
has
been
worked
on
up
to
this
point
is
almost
the
combination
of
about
eight
years
of
searching
for
another
site
for
the
east
hill
fire
station.
A
So
this
has
been
a
lengthy
process
and
I
think
this
proposal
is
one
that
benefits
the
city
considerably.
D
D
The
second
comment
I
had
received,
which
I
think
actually
makes
a
lot
of
sense,
is
what
assurance
is
built
into
the
contract
to
make
sure
that
the
property
that
we
are
disposing
of
will
remain
on
the
tax
rolls
and
not
become
a
tax
abated
or
or
tax
free
property.
As
a
result
of
this
transfer.
A
Nells,
do
you
want
to
comment
on
the
first
question
that
has
to
do
with
the
rfei.
O
Sure
the
the
rfei
did
receive
responses
and
those
responses
were
proposals
that
that
were
conceptual
in
nature.
In
most
cases,
and
both
the
applicants
that
had
detailed
responses,
proposals
were
given
the
opportunity
to
flesh
out
their
proposals
to
the
committee.
O
One
thing
I
want
to
note
is
that
the
agency
members
have
had
some
preliminary
discussion
on
this,
and
one
of
the
things
they
want
to
do
is
review
the
rfei
responses
and
make
sure
the
city
is
getting
the
best
deal
it
can
for
for
the
in
the
best
interest
of
the
city,
so
there'll
be
an
opportunity
now
that
the
confidential
property
negotiation
phase
of
this
project
is
completed,
for
an
opportunity
for
the
ira
and
a
public
forum
to
take
a
look
at
those
competing
proposals
and
and
and
evaluate
whether
the
one
chosen
going
forward
at
this
point
with
the
option
agreement
is
in
fact,
in
the
best
interest
of
the
city.
O
D
What
assurances
are
going
to
be
built
in
part
of
the
evaluation,
obviously
in
terms
of
the
attractiveness
of
one
proposal
for
over
the
other,
is
protect.
Projected
property
tax
revenue
of
the
parcel
into
the
future.
And
so
is
there
a
structure
built
into
the
agreement
to
ensure
that
that
tax
revenue
will
be
received
in
the
sense
that
that
parcel
will
not
be
become
either
part
of
the
university
or
otherwise
a
tax
abated
property.
O
I
don't
believe
the
option
agreement
that
was
executed
incorporates
special
terms
regarding
the
tax
status
going
in
the
future,
but
that's
an
issue
that
the
urban
renewal
agency
can
explore
and
develop
some
recommendations.
They
have
done
that
in
the
past
on
another
property,
where
they
have
required
the
purchaser
of
a
property
to
enter
into
a
pilot
agreement
that,
in
the
event
that
they
get
a
tax
exemption,
they
would
have
to
pay
the
city
an
equal
amount
of
funds
that
would
have
been
owed
in
taxes
to
the
city.
O
D
Thank
you,
I
mean,
I
think,
if
we
are
basing
this
decision
based
in
part
on
expected
tax
revenue
that
should
be
incorporated
and
secured
in
some
way.
Thank.
H
H
I've
just
been
listening
here
in
the
background,
but
I
just
wanted
to
add
that,
in
terms
of
comparing
the
and
negotiating
with
the
rfp
responses
that
the
other
that
this
response
has
no
zoning
guarantees
that
come
with
it
in
terms
of
what
will
be
done
with
the
college
ab
site
and,
as
you
know,
also
did
have
specific
parcels
of
new
land
upon
which
the
city
could
build
the
station,
and
I
think
those
are
two
very
important
elements
that
were
not
equally
present
in
the
other
proposals.
O
M
M
The
width
of
the
roadway
is
roughly
18
feet
with
when
you
exclude
the
parking
it's,
which
is
the
same
width
as
college
ave
is
when
you
exclude
the
parking
or
make
adjustments
to
allow
the
parking
to
remain
so.
The
width
of
college
ave
and
the
width
of
drying
road
or
virtually
identical,
so
the
access
of
being
narrower
on
dry
road
may
seem
like
it's
narrower,
but
in
the
reality
of
measurements.
It's
not
so.
I
verified
that
today
there
was
a
comment
relative
to
pulling
in
and
out
of
dryden
road.
M
The
access
to
the
fire
station
actually
is
from
elmwood
ave,
so
the
the
fire
truck
will
be
driving
an
elmwood
ave
and
entering
in
the
fire
station
from
that
side,
not
actually
blocking
traffic
on
dry
drought,
the
fire
the
east
hill
fire
station
responds
to
about
over.
I
did
a
number
from
2017
2021
about
1800
calls
a
year
which
averages
about
five
and
a
half
calls
a
day
and
that's
a
24
hour
period.
Maximum
number
of
calls
are
just
under
14.
M
You
know
we
have
a
few
spikes
through
there
and
fewest
number
calls
is
one
or
zero
through
it
through
that
time
period
the
responses
primarily
go,
and
I
I
have
a
drawing
it
can
show
people.
Let
me
get
switched
here
to
I
can
share
the
screen.
Let
me
see
if
I
can
do
that
here.
L
M
Sorry
there
we
go
sorry,
so
this
is
the
area
we're
talking
about.
So
this
fire
station
covers
a
large
area,
not
just
the
cornell
campus,
but
it
covers
out
into
the
town
it
covers
into
the
northern
part
of
the
city,
cornell
heights
and
down
into
fall
creek,
it's
pretty
centrally
located.
M
If
anything,
we
could,
if
we
were
gonna,
be
perfectly
centered,
it
would
move
north
of
block,
but
it's
pretty
close
to
where,
where
it
should
be
in
in
the
service
area
and
and
that's
the
most
important
thing
about
locating
the
fire
station
is
where
is
it
operationally
most
effective
there?
I
believe
in
one
of
the
comments
that
was
suggested.
Was
it
looked
at
about
placing
it
out
on
out
on
east
hill
plaza?
M
The
problem
is
when
we
start
looking
at
routes
coming
out
of
east
tel
plaza.
It
runs
a
lot
of
those
routes
down
through
the
bell
sherman
neighborhood,
so
we
were
trying
to
so.
That
was
not
necessarily
a
a
very
good
response
area
for
us
to
to
come
in
and
serve
not
only
college
town,
but
it
also
made
a
very
long
run
to
go
downtown
and
get
into
the
northern
part
of
the
city
without
the
still
fire
station.
M
Those
parts
of
the
city
when
the
downtown
engines
busy
would
have
to
be
covered
from
the
fire
station
out
beyond
ithaca
college
or
out
up
by
the
hospital,
which
is
very
lengthy
in
time
to
respond
down
into
into
those
areas
so
operationally
we're
distributed
appropriately
and
this
new
station
and
its
location
would
not
have
any
negative
impact.
As
far
as
its
operational
effectiveness,
I
think
I'll
stop.
Sharing.
A
Number
of
calls
suitability
of
the
site
condition
road
conditions.
Those
were
the
questions
that
I
sell.
M
There
was
also
a
question
I
believe
ellen
mccallster
asked
about
as
far
as
demolition
or
reclaiming
the
building
we'll
certainly
look
at
trying
to
de-deconstruct
the
building.
If
it's,
you
know
what
we
can
regarding
the
schedule
and
the
feasibility
and
the
financial
feasibility
of
it.
M
I
I
spoke
with
the
developers
on
college
ave
because
they
did
do
some
deconstruction
on
some
of
those
buildings.
We
would
look
at
probably
working
on
some
type
of
arrangement,
similar
to
what
what
they
did
with
the
deconstruction.
Actually
deconstruction
is
more
expensive
than
demolition,
just
to
pay
a
contractor
to
do
deconstruction
so
working
out
those
two
costs
making
sure
we
get
the
best
out
of
the
the
process
is
certainly
what
we'll
try
to
do.
G
Yeah
thanks
laura
and
thank
you
chief
for
for
hitting
on
those
points.
I
think
one
other
thing
that
it
may
have
been
ellen
mcaulister's
comment
as
well
was
asking
about
the
the
design
of
the
building
and
how
it
would
fit
into
the
character
of
the
neighborhood,
and
maybe
just
for
the
public's
understanding
of
this,
and
I
don't
know
who
to
turn
to
this.
Maybe
it's
lisa
or
the
chief
or
others
can.
C
C
In
addition
to
public
comment
at
any
any
public
meeting
and
the
project
will
go
through
a
full
site
plan
review
process,
as
would
any
development
project,
it
is
subject
to
the
college,
town
design
guidelines
and
so
the
planning
board,
as
it
always
does,
we'll
be
looking
at
the
quality
of
materials,
the
compatibility
of
the
design
with
the
neighborhood-
and
you
know
the
attractiveness
of
the
landscaping
and
all
all
of
the
things
that
would
make
it
make
it
a
better
project
rather
than
just
a
new
project.
A
F
Yeah,
it's
less
of
a
question
more
just
I.
I
know
you
guys
when
you
first
proposed
this
to
us
a
month
or
so
ago
it
looked
fantastic.
I
think
it
still
looks
fantastic,
I'm
really
happy
with
the
development
in
college
town.
I
know
rob
and
I
have
chatted
about
the
shift
of
the
station
from
world
four
to
three,
but
at
least
in
terms
of
our
little
very
dense
part
of
college
town.
I
think
this
is
something
that's
gonna
make
it
more
walkable,
I'm
sure
it's
going
to
help
you
guys
from
everything.
F
A
Okay,
that's
unanimous!
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you,
chief
parsons
for
joining
us
and
answering
many
of
the
questions
too
and
nels
as
well.
A
Okay,
we'll
now
turn
to.
A
Here
too,
there
is
a
resolution
that
I
will
read
proposed
policy
regarding
encampments
on
city
property,
whereas
former
mayor
myra
requested
iura
staff
to
develop
a
draft
policy
regarding
encampments
on
city
property,
for
consideration
by
common
council
and
whereas
an
initial
draft
was
developed
and
presented
for
input
from
the
ithaca,
tompkins
county
continuum
of
care,
community
outreach
workers
and
the
tides
working
group,
and
whereas
several
modifications
have
been
incorporated
into
the
final
proposed
policy
and
whereas
common
council
procedures
allow
for
reports
to
be
accepted,
endorsed
or
adopted.
A
A
And
I
can
also
turn
it
over
to
nells,
who
pardon
me
has
really
done
the
major
work
on
this
draft
policy
statement.
So
nels
I
I
don't
know
if
you
want
to
walk
through
some
of
the
key
factors
here
and
then
we'll
open
it
up
for
questions
and
comments.
O
Sure
sure
it
was
great
that
we
had
liddy
and
simone
come
earlier,
because
they
laid
the
groundwork
for
the
issues
that
we
have
in
the
community
in
terms
of
our
housing
prices
and
the
level
of
homelessness
that
occurs
here,
and
certainly
this
issue
is
very
directly
related
to
those
issues.
O
But
essentially
the
city
has,
as
a
landowner
has
a
major
challenge
here.
We
know
that
there
are
people
camping
on
city,
property,
it's
not
authorized
nor
regulated
and
the
city's
laws
on
this
are
a
little
bit
vague.
I
mean,
but
but
clearly
zoning
does
not
permit
camping
anywhere
in
the
city,
certainly
not
without
going
through
a
site
plan
review
process
in
the
domain
review
process
and
our
our
city
code
clearly
prohibits
camping
in
natural
areas.
O
So
the
prior
mayor
asked
me
to
take
a
look
at
this
question
and
provide
some
some
ideas
to
think
through
and
and
maybe
even
a
potential
policy
to
adopt
at
some
point
the,
but
the
challenges
really
are
faced.
O
When
there's
a
complaint
received
about
about
an
encampment,
the
city
is
faced
with
a
challenge
of
what
is
the
right
response
and
responding
by
by
clearance
of
of
a
property
can
lead
to
negative
outcomes
for
that
person
in
terms
of
their
their
options
for
alternatives,
they're
oftentimes
in
a
desperate
situation,
but
they're
also
our
neighbors,
who
are
adversely
impacted
by
encampments
as
well.
O
So
there's
this
balance
issue
that
is
hard
to
find
the
right
balance
for,
particularly
when
the
homeless
response
system
is
at
capacity,
as
you
heard
earlier,
so
there
there
are
oftentimes
not
an
opportunity
to
direct
somebody
to
another
housing
option
because
they
are
few
and
far
between
or
the
the
occupants
of
the
encampments,
have
mental
health
or
substance
use
disorders
or
have
tried
working
in
the
housing
system
and
have
not
been
successful
in
it.
O
So
the
one
thing
I
want
to
note
is
that
the
what
makes
sense
to
me
is
for
the
city
to
align
its
policy
in
coordination
with
the
continuum
of
care,
and
it's
important
to
also
note
that
they're
continuing
with
care.
If
you
agree
with
that
concept,
the
containment
care
has
a
couple
of
goals.
One
is
that
homelessness
should
be
rare,
brief
and
non-recurring.
O
And
of
course,
encampments
do
not
are
not
are
not
brief
and
they
are
recurring.
So
we
really
have
a
failure
of
addressing
of
meeting
that
goal
of
the
kingdom
of
care.
Secondly,
the
continue
of
care
feels
very
strongly
that
homelessness
should
not
be
criminalized
that
will
lead
to
you
know
further
negative
outcomes
for
that
person.
Typically,
if
they
just
move
into
the
criminal
justice
system,
somehow
and
usually
they're
expensive
expensive
for
the
community,
as
well
as
for
the
individual.
O
So
it's
important
to
treat
every
individual
with
dignity
and
respect
in
accordance
with
their
rights.
They
are
residents
of
the
city,
but
recognize
that
you
know
really.
O
Homelessness
is
very
much
entwined
in
the
larger
societal
issues,
and
so
it's
hard
to
pull
it
out
as
a
separate
issue
and
you'll
see
this
as
we
as
we
think
through
the
policy,
it's
hard
to
say,
there's
one
right
solution
that
solves
everything,
because,
like
probably
a
hundred
communities
across
the
us
they're
they're
facing
the
same
issue-
and
I
assure
you
nobody
has
found
the
absolute
successful
response
yet
so
we're
in
good
company.
O
In
that
regard,
what
the
continued
care
thinks
is
is
a
is
a
good
approach
to
the
issue
is:
is
to
expand
housing
first
options
which
are
housing
opportunities
that
have
no
preconditions
for
getting
into
the
housing.
They
find
it's
much
more
successful
when
there
is
housing
provided
for
somebody
to
work
through
the
issues
that
they
have
and
that
without
housing,
responding
getting
back
in
your
feet
is
is
much
much
harder,
but
so
the
the
the
recommendation.
O
O
But
really,
you
know
it
looks
at
the
options
that
are
available
to
a
city
to
manage
encampments,
and
you
know
they
fall
into
four
major
categories:
there's
clearance
with
no
support,
which
is
a
no
tolerance
policy
clearance,
with
some
support
when
you
have
housing
options
available
to
provide
them
or
other
choices
for
them,
tacit
acceptance
in
which
you
don't
really
address
the
issue
in
any
direct
way
and
fourth,
formal
sanction.
Encampments
communities
usually
follow
one
of
these
primarily,
but
they
often
you
know,
dabble
in
mixing
a
few
components
of
the
other
ones.
O
Right
now,
I'd
say
that
the
city
is
in
the
tacit
acceptance
phase
of
our
policy,
but
really
it's
not
a
policy
at
all,
because
it's
never
been
publicly
adopted.
It
has
not
been
clear:
it's
not
clearly
communicated
to
city
staff.
What
the
policy
is,
and
that's
one
of
the
problems
I
think
is
city
staff
doesn't
know
what
the
correct
response
should
be
to
these
instances.
O
O
The
planning
office
might
have
some
direction,
so
nobody
has
a
real,
focused
approach
to
this
issue,
because
it's
it's
a
real
treated
as
individual
situations
come
up
the
best
we
can
so
I'm
recommending
that
the
city
should
think
about
a
policy
and
should
adopt
a
policy
but
recognize
that
any
policy
that's
adopted,
really
really
needs
to
be
enforced
and
and
be
consistently
applied
to
be
successful,
to
adopt
a
no
tolerance
policy
and
then
not
apply.
O
So
I'm
recommending
that
that
in
this
document
that
the
city
consider
or
I
essentially
recognize
that
we
don't
have
enough
options
to
offer
to
people
who
are
living
on
shelter
right
now
in
the
system,
as
was
mentioned
by
lydian
and
her
presentation,
and
that
the
kind
of
permanent
support
of
housing
that
might
be
a
supportive,
really
needs
to
have
a
lot
of
support
services
attached
to
it
to
be
successful.
O
Otherwise,
you'll
have
returns
to
homelessness
in
all
likelihood,
so
recognizing
that
there
is
not
great
choices
for
everybody
in
every
situation,
but
also
recognizing
the
responsibilities
the
city
has
to
manage
its
own
property
and
to
address
concerns
of
neighborhoods,
recommending
that
the
city
adopt
a
policy
in
which
it
prohibits
camping
on
city
property,
but
applies
the
implementation
and
the
enforcement
of
that
in
a
very
structured
way,
which
focuses
enforcement
on
those
areas
of
public
property
that
are
most
sensitive
and
have
the
most
adverse
impacts
of
camping,
natural
areas,
areas
adjacent
directly
to
residents
those
kind
of
examples
and
de-emphasize
enforcement
in
those
areas
where
there
is
less
adverse
impact
or
external
impacts.
O
So
an
example
of
that
is
the
area
behind
walmart
and
lowe's
tends
to
have
fewer,
neighbors
and
and
and
less
natural
sensitive
areas
than
several
other
areas
of
the
city
would
be
one
area
that
I
would
recommend
be
considered
as
a
low
area
for
enforcing
a
prohibition
of
camping,
and
there
are
other
areas
that
are
listed
in
this
agreement
in
this
document.
That
would
be
areas
to
consider
for
high
higher
priority
enforcement.
O
It
may
not
have
any
impact
on
the
total
number,
but
it
would
do
some
concentration
and,
if
encampments
are
concentrated,
they
can
be
better
served
by
service
workers
and
service
providers.
They
can
find
where
people
are
and
they
can
develop
some
sort
of
service
services,
whether
it's
bathrooms
and
hand
wash
or
medical
care
facilities.
O
O
I've
learned
to
facilitate
camp
camping
on
city
property
in
resp,
in
in
in
understanding
what
the
liability
of
this
city
is,
because
if
the
city
were
to
formally
authorize
camping
on
city
property,
that
comes
with
some
liability
risk.
If
somebody
gets
hurt
on
that
property,
the
city
takes
on
a
responsibility
that
those
structures
would
be
meeting
code
requirements
for
example.
So
you
think
you
need
to
be
careful.
O
I
think,
if
you're
going
to
authorize
a
camping
anywhere,
that's
why
the
policy
is
recommended
that
there
be
a
prohibition,
but
the
enforcement
be
very
structured
based
on
on
careful
thinking
about
what
are
sensitive
areas
that
should
be
high
priority
areas
for
enforcement
in
areas
of
the
city.
That
should
be
lower
priority
areas,
and
I
would
expect
that
any
high
priority
areas
where
there
is
camping
would
require
a
program
of
the
city
to
figure
out
how
to
do
clearance
with
with
responsible.
O
You
know
advanced
notice
and
as
much
support
as
possible
and
be
consistent
about
it.
You
know
it's
again.
This
is
issue.
Is
that
it's
natural
for
somebody
who
is
who
is
redirected
away
from
a
campsite
to
eventually
to
find
another
location
or,
as
we've
seen
historically
come
back
to
the
same
location
several
months
later,
and
so,
if
that's
you
know,
if
that's
the,
if
that
occurs,
that
we're
not
making
any
progress
on
the
issue.
So
this
is
a
balancing
kind
of
issue.
O
I
think
and
there's
no
right
answer,
and
there
certainly
is
no
solution.
That's
going
to
meet
it's
going
to
work
for
everybody,
but
it
would
provide
time
for
the
continue
of
care
to
expand
its
offerings
and
it's
kind
of
viewed
as
a
transition
that
the
ultimate
goal
being
that
there
would
be
enough
offerings
in
the
continuum
of
care
system
where
there
would
be
good
choices
for
people
all
other
than
camping
on
city
property.
O
So,
in
that
respect,
the
final
component
here
is
that
I
strongly
encourage
the
city
to
try
to
be
proactive
in
trying
to
expand
the
system
and
the
options
available,
because
what
liddy
didn't
mention
is
that
the
kingdom
of
care
gets
a
total
of
240
000
a
year
from
from
hud.
It's
not
they're,
not
going
to
be
able
to
solve
it
by
themselves.
O
The
not-for-profit
agencies,
for
the
most
part,
are
the
ones
who
develop
the
pro.
The
projects
that
meet
the
needs
of
people
are
experiencing
homelessness
and
I
think
if
we
wanted
to
advance
this
in
a
timely
way,
that
would
be
important
for
the
city
to
consider
what
resources
it
can
provide
to
support
a
not-for-profit,
and
I
suggest
that
the
city
issue,
perhaps
in
conjunction
with
the
county
issue
and
our
request
for
expressions
of
interest
to
not-for-profits,
to
see
what
interests
there
is
out
there
and
what
needs
they
would
require
to
advance
their
project.
O
We
have
some
pretty
strong
not-for-profits
that
are
looking
at
different
projects,
but
I
you
know
in
almost
all
cases,
land
is
a
problem
for
them
to
get
a
site.
Utilities
can
be
a
problem
in
many
cases,
and
I
think
ties
can
be
viewed
as
one
of
those
options
that
are
out
there
that
can
address
some
of
the
need
in
the
community,
because
you
have
some
familiar
with
that
familiarity
with
that
proposal.
O
But
again,
I
think
it's
really
important
that
we
work
on
this
as
a
twin
focus.
One
is:
is
managing
city
property
and
a
you
know,
kind
of
a
humanistic
way
to
recognize
that
there
is
many
of
these
people
are
in
desperate
and
vulnerable
situations,
but
also
that
you
look
at
how
we
can
expand
the
continuum
and
I'll
stop
with
that.
A
Thank
you,
nells
thanks,
so
much
patrick,
I
see
your
hand
up.
F
A
F
Hoping
if
we
could
just
explain
for
the
public
and
the
policy
in
the
sorry
resolution
itself,
where
we
have
them,
whereas
that
common
council
procedures
left
reports
to
be
accepted,
endorsed
or
adopted.
If
we
could
just
explain
what
each
three
of
those
mean
and
why
we're
interesting.
A
Yeah
accepting
the
policy
means
that
council
acknowledges
receipt
and
thanks
the
author
of
the
policy.
It
does
not
endorse,
but
rather
accepts
what
has
been
submitted
and
thanks
in
this
case
nels.
The
author
of.
K
Thank
you
and
nels.
I
really
appreciate
how
hard
you've
worked
on
this
and
cynthia
as
well.
K
Some
areas
are
more
important
than
others
in
terms
of
where
people
camp
can
we
make
conditions
based
on
certain
behaviors,
for
example,
could
we
ban
a
person
who
is
camping
on
city
property
and
has
a
meth
lab
or
a
person
who
is
creating
so
much
trash
that
it's
an
environmental
hazard
to
the
creek
things
like
that
to
to
basically
encourage
better
camping.
O
I
I
think
the
policy
could
incorporate
some
of
those
issues.
I
don't
know
if
ari's
still
here,
you
know
you
want
to
make
sure
that
your
policies
that
you
adapt
are
not
in
any
way
discriminatory
or
or
addressing
for
housing
issues
in
a
negative
way
or
other.
You
know
kind
of
fairness
issues,
but
I
do
think
there
could
be
criteria
based
on
behavior
could
be
another
approach
to
it.
But
again,
remember
that
the
you
know
the
policy
is
to
prohibit.
O
K
O
Yeah,
I
do
think
you
want
to
think
about
how,
in
practice,
you're
going
to
make
those
determinations
in
a
way
that
is
provides
for
some.
You
know
some
opportunity
for
appeal
or
something
when
it's
not.
You
know
when
there
is
some
question
about
whether
that
you
know
I'm
just
trying
to
you
know
there
should
be
good
evidence.
I
guess
just
to
draw
that
conclusion.
K
I
I
see
what
you
mean
well
if,
for
example,
if
somebody's
been
arrested
several
times
at
one
store
in
a
week,
the
police
would
know
who
they
are.
K
A
lot
of
the
complaints
I
get
from
residents
are
based
on
not
just
camping,
but
harassment
and
and
garbage.
K
So,
that's
that's
why
I
brought
it
up.
I
realize
it
it's
complicated
complicated.
I
think
you
could.
O
A
Yeah,
but
I
I
think
also
george,
you
said
complicated
and
I'll
just
add
that
this
is
a
very
complicated
and
complex
issue
to
to
address
and
it
does
not
have
easy
answers.
It
does
not
have
single
responses
and
I
think
that's
what's
helpful
to
read
in
nels's
report.
A
D
Thank
you.
I
think
george
has
kind
of
touched
on
some
of
my
underlying
concerns,
with
without
clear
direction
as
to
what
locations
we're
going
to
allow
camping
and
what
locations
we
aren't.
You
know
to
set
to
say
we
have
high
priority
areas,
but
if
you're
not
in
a
high
priority
area,
then
it
might
be
allowed.
D
You
know,
there's
by
by
design,
you
would
have
an
area
that
doesn't
have
access
to
resources.
It's
not
going
to
have
access
to
perhaps
emergency
vehicles.
If
there
were
a
fire,
if
there
was
something
that
occurred
on
site,
you
might
not
even
know
that
someone
was
there
for
an
extended
duration
of
time
in
which
there
might
be.
You
know
not
only
trash
that
people
are
talking
about,
but
of
course,
I'm
going
to
assume
human
feces
and
others,
because
you
don't
have
sanitation
support.
D
So
I
I
am
concerned
about
without
a
clear
direction.
There
might
be
dispersal
individuals
who
sort
of
set
up
in
hidden
little
spaces
that
if
they
feel
that
nobody
can
see
them,
if
they're
they
don't
draw
attention
to
them,
then
they'll
be
allowed
because
they
aren't
in
a
very
visible
space
and
are
do
we
really
want
to
allow
that.
Is
that
acceptable?
If
we,
if
a
police
officer
sees
them
or
someone
sees
them
and
says
well,
this
is
a
low
priority
space.
D
D
And
I
don't
draw
a
necessary
association
that
it's
the
individual
who's
living
there
that's
doing
this,
but
I
do
believe
solidly
that
individuals
who
are
engaging
in
illegal
illegal
activities
will
run
off
into
this
area
and
get
lost
and
and
do
things
there,
whether
or
not
it's
manufacturing
or
or
chop
shops
about
bicycles
or
you
know,
I
don't
have
no
idea
if
they
live
there
or
not.
But
but
when
you
have
these
sites,
it
covers
up
a
lot
of
other
activities.
D
D
If
someone
is
in
a
place
that
nobody
knows
about,
there's
a
fire,
a
neighbor
calls
there's
a
fire.
Well,
where
do
you
send
them
to?
Well,
I
don't
know
they're
in
the
bushes
over
here
and
there's
no
address
and
you
could
have
emergency
crews
going
around
in
service
circles
and
then
not
able
to
actually
get
into
that
area.
You
know
that's
another
reason,
so
I
I
do
caution
that
I
I
would
support,
I
think,
being
very
explicit
if
you
are
going
to
allow
this.
D
Where
is
it
you're
going
to
allow
it
rather
than
sort
of
here's
a
high
priority,
but
everything
else
is
low
priority
area,
but
other
than
that,
I
I
fully
support
this
proposal
for
a
myriad
of
reasons,
and
I'm
very
grateful
that
we
are
having
this
conversation.
A
Yeah
agreed-
and
this
too,
when
we
vote
on
it
tonight,
would
then
go
on
to
counsel
for
the
larger
council
discussion.
Any
other
comments
rob.
G
Yeah,
just
picking
up
on
cynthia's
point,
so
I
just
want
to
make
sure
I
understand
that
the
policy
that
we're
moving
forward
is
not
specifically
identifying
it's
just
making
possible
that
we
then
can
have
a
plan
that
identifies
certain
areas
as
high
or
low.
Is
that
am
I
understanding
that
correctly
or
because
we're
we're
not
looking
at
the
specifics
of
location
at
this
through
this
policy
correct.
A
C
A
A
D
A
Right
yeah
right
phoebe
did
you
have
your
hand
up.
L
Yes,
I
did,
but
I
think
the
question
was
kind
of
answered
and
and
and-
and
I
think
god
neil's
again
I'm
what
it
sounds
like
you're
saying-
is
that
that
we,
what
we
do
is
some
of
these
encampments.
L
Okay,
some
of
them
the
city,
will
say.
Okay,
like
you
talked
about
the
one
behind
lowe's
in
walmart,
where
there
are
not
a
lot
of
apartments
and
houses
and
stuff
right.
So
this
is
talking
about
having
some
enforced.
L
Some
of
the
work
that
I
believe
cynthia
talked
about
building
out
in
these
encampments
is
this:
are
these
together
some
kind
of
way
in
the
last
meeting
we
talked
about
with
the
oh,
what's
his
name
with
the
saint
john's-
and
you
know
so
I
mean
is
this.
This
is
what
we're
like,
okay
and
kind
of
we're,
not
okay
in
that,
but
this
is
just
to
have
the
discussion
when
we
all
come
together
and
that's
sort
of
included.
O
Right,
I
would
encourage
to
linking
the
policy
from
partic
potential
solutions,
because
there
could
be
several
different
things
and
and
there's
probably
no
single
solution-
that's
going
to
solve
the
problem,
so
there
needs
to
be
a
myriad
number
of
approaches
or
multiple
approaches.
Okay,
that's
my
recommendation.
Yes,.
A
A
D
M
M
M
We're
going
to
continue
to
have
fires,
we're
going
to
have
medical
emergencies
in
very
remote
areas,
which
we
do
now
and
and
there's
going
to
be
still
more
environmental
damage
done
to
a
lot
of
what
was
natural
areas.
But
I
was
pretty
much
contaminated
with
trash
and
debris
and
waste,
and
I
again
I
don't-
I
don't
see
anything
getting
better
without
actually
adopting
and
implementing
the
policy,
and
even
there
oops
sorry,
obviously,
no
movement.
I
I
just
don't
know
where
you
go
from
here:
the
supportive
services
to
be
successful.
M
The
people
have
to
reach
them,
but
some
people,
if
they're
allowed
to
go
into
the
vast
in
the
areas
out
behind
I'll,
give
you
we're
both
behind
home
depot
or
buffalo
wild
wings,
where
they
can
get
very,
very
secluded
and
live
back
there.
And
then
we
have
large
amount
of
rain
and
we
have
flooding
down
there
and
people
in
their
homelessness
camps
get
washed
out.
M
We
can't
access
them,
we
can't
help
them,
and
then
we
hear
a
cry
from
the
advocates
saying
what
are
you
doing
for
them?
Well,
we
didn't
even
know
they
were
there.
So
I
you
know,
I'm
I'm
not
necessarily
saying
that
things
are
going
to
get
worse,
but
I
don't
see
any
change
without
actually
adopting
the
policy
and
implementing
it,
defining
the
areas
where,
where
it's
going
to
be
permitted-
and
there
is
where
we're
going
to
try
to
encourage
people
not
to
have
encampments.
A
A
Nells
was,
I
heard
one
recommendation
that
perhaps
the
city
and
county
should
partner
and
work
together
to
expand
continuum
of
care
programs,
the
recommendations
that
we
heard
from
simone
and
liddy
tonight
that
that
is
something
that
we
could
be
discussing
and
potentially
moving
forward
with
simultaneously
developing
a
policy.
But
we
don't
have
a
policy.
A
M
One
challenge
for
the
folks
moving
out
of
homelessness
into
housing
is
that
they've
lived
without
a
home
for
so
long
they
have
developed
skills
to
survive,
but
those
skills
are
not
adaptive
to
going
into
organized
housing.
M
This
is
problems.
What
we've
seen
over
at
art
house,
people
that
have
got
moved
in
there,
that
just
don't
have
any
support
services
to
help
them
organize.
We
just
had
a
fire
up
on
219
elmwood
last
week,
where
somebody
who
moved
in
there.
It
was
a
large
hoarding
situation
and
the
person
was
you
know.
Just
did
not
have
the
skills
to
be
organized
and
not
only
did
the
fire
displace
him,
but
he
displaced
one
of
his
neighbors
and-
and
it
was
a
very
sad
situation.
He
didn't
it
was
an
accidental,
accidental
fire.
M
The
sprinkler
took
care
of
it,
but
the
damage
from
the
water,
as
well
as
the
apartment,
just
being
filled
with
a
tremendous
amount
of
collected
belongings
just
made
it.
You
know
un
uninhabitable
in
its
condition
when
we
arrived
even
before
the
fire
happened,
it
was
probably
uninhabitable
for
for
folks
that
would
be
living
in
normal
organized
housing.
M
So
there's
a
gap
that
needs
to
be
filled
that
people
need
to
be
prepared
to
live
in
that
environment
and
I
think
what
lydi
mentioned,
but
I
don't
think
we've
really
gone
into
it
is
how
many
people
get
into
housing
and
then
come
right
back
out
and
go
into
homelessness
because
they
can't
they
don't
they
can't
survive
in
that
environment
they're
not
prepared
they're,
not
no.
There's,
there's
no
services
to
help
them.
A
Well
and
it's
that
supportive
services
that
I
heard
lydia
and
simone
talk
about
the
tremendous
need
for,
if
there's
not
the
wrap
around
services,
if
there's
not
the
housing
navigator
to
intense
case
management,
then
it
is
more
likely
to
see
people
return
to
to
homelessness.
A
Yeah
george,
I'm
sorry,
I
see
your
hand
nels
did
you
want
to
jump
in
first.
O
Excuse
me,
I
was
just
gonna
mention
that,
based
on
chief
person's
comments
that
really,
I
think
this
report
should
be
viewed
as
a
opportunity
to
to
discuss
the
issues
and
figure
out
among
the
council
members.
What
you
think
is
the
best
policy.
O
It's
there's
no
clear
right
answer
here,
but
there
are
but
there
you
know
it
is
important
to
give
guidance
to
city
staff,
how
you
want
to
respond
to
these
issues,
and
I
think
the
tacit
acceptance
approach
is
really
not
going
to
benefit
the
community
or
the
city,
and
I
expect
we
will
see
an
expansion
of
encampments
if
we
continue
to
follow
tested
acceptance.
O
There
is
an
opportunity
once
a
year
in
april
when
the
cold
weather
policy
ends,
and
it's
a
very
opportune
time,
because
people
people
are
moving
from
kind
of
the
emergency,
shelter,
cold
weather
policy,
where
they're,
typically
moving
into
hotel
rooms
and
moving
back
out
during
the
summer
into
encampments,
and
that's
a
time
when
there
can
be
some.
You
know
real
real
impact
on
how
or
an
influence
on
what
happens
with
those
people
and
where
they
go.
O
So
it's
something
to
keep
in
mind
if
you're
thinking
about
a
timeline
at
all
you
know
april
is
a
good
time
to
have
a
policy.
That's
ready
to
be
implemented,
because
it
can
have
a
much
greater
impact
on
the
on
the
on
the
encampments.
A
Yeah
thanks
nels
for
that
reminder,
and
that
is,
I
think,
what
we're
we're
seeing
is
an
incredible
increase
in
enchantments
george,
sorry,
you
had
your
hand
up
and
then
cynthia.
K
Yes,
thanks
laura,
I
I
agree
with
both
nels
and
tom.
In
order
to
make
things
better,
we
need
a
policy
and
in
order
for
to
discourage
certain
types
of
behavior
that
are
dangerous,
we
need
enforcement.
K
K
K
D
Yeah,
I
know
we
keep
talking
about
wraparound
services
and
I
know
we're
talking
about
case
management.
D
D
You
know,
there's
other
behaviors,
the
the
skills
you
need
to
survive.
Unhoused
like
hoarding
you
don't
have
the
skills
you
need
to
survive
in
a
in
an
apartment
like
knowing
to
shut
off
the
stove,
knowing
to
not
allow
your
your
toilet
and
your
bathtub
to
overflow
and
then
therefore
flood
the
unit
and
the
unit
below.
How
do
you
manage
keys
so
that
you're
not
letting
outside
people
into
an
apartment
complex?
There
are
so
many
skills
that
individuals
have
lost.
D
I
think
perhaps
due
to
a
myriad
of
factors,
but
there's
an
intensity
to
that
which,
which
I
think
supportive
housing
would
help,
but
in
terms
of
case
management
and
just
outreach
into
the
encampments.
I
don't
know
how
you
train
people
in
those
areas,
so
I
think
that
needs
to
be
part
of
the
conversation
that
chris
teitelbaum
mentions
this
explicitly
over
and
over
again
as
one
of
the
benefits
that
he
sees
tides
offering
is
being
able
to
provide
that
one-on-one
education
process
to
help
people.
D
So
I
think
that
is
as
important
as
partnership
with
the
county
and,
of
course,
getting
their
support
for
any
program
having
a
program
that
that
gains
their
support
would
is
essential
to
our
success.
L
I
I
agree
with
cynthia,
I
believe
chris,
when
he
spoke
with
us
the
last
time
he
spoke
about
many
of
the
people,
so
I
was
just
thinking
in
my
head,
like
I
came
here
in
1993
and
the
jungle
was
it
was
there
then?
So
this
is
not
new.
These
encampments
and
people.
L
A
lot
of
these
people
choose
to
be
there.
It's
not
that
you
know
so
so
so
we
really
need
a
lot
of
that
education.
Piece
of
you
know
taking
steps
of
bringing
people
out.
So
we
also
had
the
gentleman
on
here
yeah
yeah,
but
this
is
just
policy
tonight.
This
is,
I
don't
even
know
why
I'm
having
this
little
discussion
but
yeah,
because
this
is
just
a
doctor
yeah,
but
excuse
me
I
was
thinking
about
what
chris
talked
about
and,
and
there
are
some
things
in
place.
L
D
If
I
may,
because
I
I
know
we
we
use
the
word
enforcement
and
there's
just
the
word-
has
a
heavy
hand
to
it.
Phoebe
when,
when
I
heard
about
what
missoula
montana
had
done
when
they
talk
about
enforcement,
they
talk
about,
they
go
out
into
a
community,
they
see
an
encampment
and
their
first
interaction
is
like
I
see
you're
here
there
are
options.
D
D
I
I've
not
seen
anyone
looking
at
this
as
criminalizing
homelessness,
so
enforcement
doesn't
mean
a
ticket.
It
means
working
compassionately
with
an
individual
to
try
to
get
them
to
a
more
appropriate
location.
So
I
don't
have
a
better
term
than
enforcement,
but
that's
what
I
think
about
when
we
talk
about
enforcement.
D
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you
good
point.
Enforcing
compassion
and
yeah,
that's
a
thumbs
up
from
george
all
right.
Are
we
ready
to
vote
then
on
this
proposed
resolution
and
again
it
is
a
resolution
to
accept
the
proposed
policy
report.
A
Okay,
all
those
in
favor
and
I'm
sure,
we'll
have
a
very
full
sum
and
that
passes
5-0.
Thank
you
and
I'm
sure
we'll
have
a
very
fulsome
discussion
at
at
council
as
well,
and
thank
you
nels
for
your
work
on
this.
It's
extremely
helpful.