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A
Okay,
so
welcome
to
the
november
meeting
of
the
planning
and
economic
development
committee.
I
guess
we'll
launch
right
into
it.
Tonight.
We've
got
our
regularly
scheduled
public
comment
and
then
we
have
a
public
hearing
on
dogs
on
the
commons.
I
did
we
receive
any.
I
had
like
two
comments
that
were
requested
to
read
out
loud,
but
were
there
more
than
that?
Did
anybody
receive
us.
A
E
I
have
some
comments
received
with
regards
to
the
city
agreement
with
cycle
cny.
E
E
A
It
would
be
best
to
until
we
discuss
that
later
in
the
agenda,
so
I
will
go
ahead
and
read
out
the
comment
from
teresa,
which
is
on
ctap.
I
just
gotta
find
it
real.
A
A
So
this
is
from
theresa
alts
and
okay,
theresa
alts
and
teresa
halpert
hello
council,
especially
pdc
members,
the
original.
We
would
like
to
suggest
that
it
is
time
for
the
city
to
rescind
the
ctap
program.
The
original
purpose
of
ctap
was
to
encourage
densification
and
hard
to
build
central
downtown
areas.
Now
some
of
the
hardest
lots
have
been
built
up
and
we
have
made
strides
towards
the
density
we
envisioned
by
this
metric
ctap
has
been
a
success.
A
However,
the
relatively
automatic
availability
of
tax
abatements
in
the
downtown
core
has
driven
up
property
values,
which
has
deterred
increase
the
likelihood
that
the
developed
housing
units
will
be
offered
at
luxury
prices.
Therefore,
ctap
has
played
a
role
in
the
gentrification
of
downtown
and
appears
to
be
headed
toward
the
same
influence
on
west
state
and
what
was
previously
one
of
our
most
affordable
neighborhoods.
A
Meanwhile,
developers
of
workforce
have
housing
have
to
compete
with
deeper
pockets
who
rely
on
luxury
rents,
combined
with
tax
abatements
to
recoup
the
increased
land
costs.
It
is
unlikely
that
abolishing
ctap
will
lead
to
a
significant
slowdown
in
development.
Downtown
building
has
been
vigorous
in
college
town
without
any
tax
abatements,
even
with
per
bedroom
rents
lower
in
college
town
than
downtown.
A
Nor
will
abolishing
ctap
make
it
impossible
for
the
ida
to
offer
tax
abatements
to
in
the
city
or
even
to
offer
abatements
on
residential
developments.
The
scope
of
ida's
abilities
to
justify
abatements
has
been
growing
over
the
years,
however,
without
the
relatively
automatic
and
premature
of
ctap
projects
throughout
the
city
and
the
county
would
have
to
compete
on
their
own
merits,
showing
public
benefits
to
justify
the
abatements.
A
It
is
also
reasonable
to
hope
that
without
ctap
land
values
in
the
west
end
may
moderate
somewhat
somewhat
facilitating
the
development
of
mixed
income
and
workforce
housing.
We
also
suspect
the
ida
uses
the
ctap
application's
20
roi
measurement
as
its
own
justification
of
financial
hardship.
While
this
threshold
for
hardship
may
have
once
been
city
policies
written
in
the
no
longer
used
ctap
application
form,
it
is
scarcely
a
reasonable
policy
in
these
times
of
zero
percent
interest
rates.
A
F
Alt
is
has
signed
up
and
I
think
she's
in
the
waiting
room.
So
let
me
just
check.
A
I
actually,
I
think
she
might
be
here
to
talk
about
the
the
college
town
plan.
Okay,
it
is
ann
sullivan.
A
A
G
A
H
H
J
J
Just
thank
you
from
the
bottom
of
my
heart.
I
just
can't
imagine
it
what
it's
what
it's
like,
so
thank
you,
I'm
really
just
starting
to
absorb
the
pud
request
for
college
town
and
I
think
it'll
take
a
while
for
me
to
totally
absorb
it.
I
just
three
things
I
want
to
say.
First
take
your
time.
J
This
is
a
big
change
and
I
think
it's
going
to
need
a
lot
of
explaining
to
see
the
rationale
behind
it.
You
guys
worked
very
very
hard
on
the
college
town
plan
and,
in
my
opinion,
this
blows
it
up
with
the
height
of
the
buildings
and
to
blow
it
up.
I
saw
the
the
the
dig
ready
date
was
september
and
that's
very
very
quickly,
so
the
height
is
just
really
kind
of
striking.
It's
not
adding
a
couple
stories.
J
It's
doubling
the
strike
and
I'm
seeing
joanne,
and
I
remember
when
jason
fain
introduced
a
similar
project
with
his
big
thing.
You
said
you
joe,
and
you
just
shook
your
head
and
said
this
will
never
happen,
but
someone
wants
to
make
it
happen
now
and
second,
the
benefits,
I
think,
have
to
be
weighed.
I'm
not
necessarily
against
this,
but
don't
sell
yourselves.
Cheap
three
million
dollars
is
not
a
lot
of
money.
J
If
you
look
at
the
profits
that
this
building
is
going
to
bring
in
so
hold
out
for
all
you
can
get,
I
don't
I'm
not
so
excited
about
the
idea
of
spending
a
million
dollars
on
the
old
firehouse
when
the
firehouse
that
we
need
that
we
have
right
now
probably
needs
some
improvements
itself
and
it's
serving
a
population
much
larger
than
what
it
was
designed
for.
So
if
you're
talking
about
benefits,
look
at
the
firehouse
that
we
actually
need
and
rely
on,
that's
just
a
suggestion
and
third,
the
benefits.
J
I
think
we
still
have
a
real
workforce
and
affordable
housing
crisis
in
the
city,
a
million
dollars
I
looked
up.
The
statistics
might
pay
for
four
units
of
affordable
housing.
J
This
project
calls
400
apartments
and
my
preference
would
be
given
the
fact
that
cornell
is
one
of
the
biggest
employers
and
a
lot
of
people
work
there
who
aren't
paid
that
well,
would
be
instead
of
a
million
dollars
to
negotiate
that
perhaps
10
to
15
percent
of
those
apartments
would
be
workforce,
housing
and
affordable.
That
would
add
40
to
50
units
of
workforce
housing
close
to
one
of
the
biggest
employers
in
town.
J
So,
if
you're
going
to
do
this,
go
big,
go
big,
make
make
sure
there's
workforce
housing
in
college
town
close
to
where
people
can
work.
I
think
that
would
do
a
lot
to
make
this
project
much
more
palatable,
rather
than
just
being
400
luxury
apartments,
with
a
million
dollars
to
purchase
a
few
units
someplace
else
in
town,
it
would
be
terrific
if
we
had
40
to
50
workforce
housing
apartments
in
college
town
where
people
could
walk
to
work.
So
I
just
want
to
throw
that
out
there.
Other
cities
have
done
that.
J
F
Yeah,
it
was
the
only
speaker
that
had
signed
up.
A
Okay,
so
then
we
have.
We
have
the
public
hearing
on
dogs
on
the
commons.
Is
there
a
motion
to
open
the
public
hearing
moved
by
cynthia?
Is
there
a
second
seconded
by
laura
all
in
favor
of
opening
the
public
hearing
and
that
carries
unanimously?
A
I
will
read
this
comment,
so
this
is
from
maria
tomadaki,
who
says
hi.
This
is
probably
redundant,
but
I
am
ready
to
voice
my
support
of
dogs
in
the
commons,
as
long
as
they
are
curved
unleashed
would
make
it
easier
for
dog
owners
who
live
on
and
or
around
the
commons
and
those
who
could
go
to
a
restaurant
and
sit
outside,
but
also
stop
wasting
people's
time
on
trying
to
regulate
dog
walking
in
the
commons,
based
solely
on
complaints.
A
You
know
he
recommended
forming
a
kind
of
committee
of
people
who
could
advise
on
dog
issues
in
the
city
through
our
our
commission
structure,
and
I
also
emailed
you
know.
I
have
a
monthly
newsletter
that
I
send
out
and
I
can
say
that
I
emailed
my
own
constituents
and
they
seem
to
be
unanimously
in
favor
of
approving
this.
So
so
thanks
is
there
a
motion
to
close
the
public
hearing
or
do
you
have
a
comment
laura.
H
Yeah
we
did
receive
one
other
comment
and
online
comment
from
todd.
Kurzweil.
H
A
Okay,
great
so
there's
no
other
comments.
I'll
look
for
a
motion
to
close
the
public
hearing
moved
by
steve
second
by
cynthia,
all
in
favor
of
closing
the
public
hearing
and
that
carries
unanimously.
A
So
next
up,
we
have
a
presentation
on
the
college.
Town
innovation
district,
planned
unit
development,
so
is
that
is
the
is
the
development
team
here
to
give
the
presentation
or
is
this
staff
is
going
to
be
given
the
president.
F
No,
the
development
team
is
here
so
we're
going
to
let
them
in
and
lisa
nicholas
and
jennifer.
Kushner
are
also
here
who
are
working
on
it.
Okay,.
C
K
Let's
see
so
I
well
there's
our
vend.
I
see
our
vindicator
is
here
at
bill.
Herman
sieberden
and
phil
poganski
are
both
on
the
phone.
I
see
them
up
there
and
actually
john
novar
and
kim
michaels
are
here
with
me.
We're
we're
all
here
together.
K
A
So
again,
so
thank
you
all
for
joining
us.
I
know
this
is
a
very
big,
exciting
project.
It's
planned
for
college
town
with
a
lot
of
changes
for
the
neighborhood
up
there.
I
think
you
all
just
you
just
introduced
yourselves,
so
maybe
maybe
from
here
you
could.
You
could
take
it
away
and
do
your
presentation,
okay,
terrific.
K
Thank
you.
Let
me
see
if
I
can
share
my
screen
see
if
that
works
host,
disabled
participant
screen
working
on
it.
Okay,
we
got
it.
Okay,.
K
Okay,
great-
and
you
can
hear
me
speaking-
yes,
okay,
all's
good
great,
okay,
terrific
good
evening,
as
I
said,
I'm
catherine
wolff
of
trophy
michael's,
landscape,
architects,
and
we
really
thank
you
for
this
opportunity
to
present
to
you
the
proposed
college
town,
innovation
district.
K
So
I'd
like
to
let's
see
here,
let
me
see
how
to
switch
the
slides,
so
I'd
like
to
first
provide
an
overview
of
the
project
and
then
a
major
focus
will
be
to
review
the
pud
zoning
request,
as
well
as
the
community
benefits
and
we'll
also
be
describing
the
project
proposal
there
as
we
go
along
and
then
finally
wrapping
up
with
next
steps.
K
So
I'd
like
to
orient
you
to
the
project.
First
of
all,
just
give
you
a
quick
orientation
and
then
we'll
talk
in
more
detail
about
the
zoning
request.
So
dryden
center,
located
at
the
corner
of
dryden
road
in
college
avenue
is
a
proposed
professional
office.
Building
the
ground
floor
would
be
a
lobby
space
with
also
with
space
for
pop-up
events,
the
nines
or
the
former
nines
site
would
be
a
new
mixed-use
development
with
activated
space
on
the
ground
floor.
K
K
Catherine
north
located
on
the
north
side
of
catherine
street,
is
an
aggregate
of
seven
parcels
and
will
be
a
residential
use
with
activated
ground
floor
space
on
college
avenue,
and
the
same
is
true
for
catherine
south,
which
spans
the
block
between
boole
and
catherine.
That
will
be
excuse
me
cook.
Thank
you
cook
and
catherine.
That
will
be
residential
use
with
an
activated
ground
floor
on
college.
K
Avenue
so
this
this
slide
summarizes
the
zoning
request
and
then
we'll
go
through
it
in
in
detail
as
it
relates
to
the
site
plan,
but
I
first
of
all
just
wanted
to
summarize
it
so
the
project,
the
the
overall
project
is
in
compliance
with
the
vast
majority
of
the
college,
town
area
forum,
district
regulations
and
design
guidelines.
I
think
there's
some
misconceptions
about
this.
The
vast
majority
of
the
project
is
in
compliance
with
those
form
form
district
regulations
and
design
guidelines.
K
The
exceptions
are
here
so
the
primary
exception
is
height.
There
are
of
ten
buildings
being
proposed.
There
are
eight
locations
where
we
are
seeking
a
variance
for
what
would
be
allowed
under
the
existing
zoning.
The
other
variances
from
the
existing
zoning
are
actually
quite
minor
and
I'll
also
describe
those.
So
there
are
five
exceptions
to
setbacks.
K
There's
one
minor
variation
to
lot
coverage,
one
exception
to
parking
and
then
there's
one
possible
exception,
we're
not
sure
yet
we're
not
sure
if
the
lobby
space
with
the
pop-up
events
actually
qualify
technically,
it
might
not
qualify
for
your
activated
use
on
ground
floor.
K
So
now,
I'd
like
to
you
know
in
more
detail,
take
a
look
at
the
zoning
request.
So
as
a
as
an
overview,
the
greatest
density
is
proposed
for
the
properties
that
front
college
avenue
and
then,
as
you,
move
away
from
college
avenue,
the
the
density
steps
down
as
you
transition
into
the
surrounding
more
residential
neighborhoods.
K
K
The
balance
of
the
buildings
that
front
college
avenue
which
are
in
the
purple
outline
these
then
step
down
from
the
one
at
the
corner,
and
these
are
proposed
to
be
108
feet
tall.
So
that
would
be
this
group
of
buildings
facing
college
avenue.
So
the
greatest
density
is
concentrated
on
college
avenue
and
then,
as
we
move
away,
we
transition
down
in
response
to
surrounding
neighborhoods,
so
the
blue
outlines
along
catherine
and
along
cook
street.
K
Those
are
what
I'm
calling
at
this
point:
the
transition
zones,
because
that's
where
we
then
really
are
the
heights
are
stepping
down
on
linden
avenue.
We
have
two
residential
structures
proposed
here.
These
structures
are
in
complete
compliance
with
the
existing
zoning
along
linden,
including
height,
and
no
change
to
the
zoning
is
proposed
in
this
location,
so
again
densifying
around
college
avenue
and
then,
as
we
move
away
from
college
avenue,
transitioning
down.
K
K
The
front
yard
is
actually
set
back
strictly
for
the
purpose
of
allowing
a
more
generous
sidewalk
space
at
the
entrance
and
we'll
look
at
that
a
little
more
closely.
A
little
later,
the
current
nines
site
is
proposed
to
be
a
108
foot
tall
building
in
lieu
of
80
allowed
by
existing
zoning
and
would
be
10
stories
in
lieu
of
six
again.
Here
we
are
requesting
a
front
yard
variance
to
the
setback,
so
this
is
actually
a
20-foot
setback.
K
So
the
the
setback,
the
front
yard
setbacks,
are
all
for
the
benefit
of
creating
more
generous
sidewalks,
creating
public
plazas
on
private
property
and
creating
this
more
generous
social
outdoor
space
with
amenities
in
in
the
case
of
this
building,
we're
proposing
to
actually
locate
the
front
of
the
new
building
in
the
same
location
where
the
nines
currently
exist
today,
so
that
same
front,
courtyard
space
would
be
reconstructed
as
a
new
public
plaza.
And
so
you
know
this
is
the
whole.
K
I
think
kind
of
idea
of
a
pud
it
it
allows
by
not,
but
by
not
in
exchange
for
the
developer,
not
building
a
building.
You
know
a
ten
story,
building
or
or
a
six-story
building
on
this
20
feet,
portion
of
the
private
property
and
instead
turning
that
over
into
a
very
high
quality
public
plaza
in
order
to
achieve
that
level
of
amenity.
Throughout
the
district,
additional
height
is
required
to
really
make
that
feasible.
K
So
that's
just
one
of
the,
I
think,
really
important
benefits
to
the
college
town
district
is
this
development
of
all
of
these
social
spaces
moving
down
then
to
the
catherine
summit
site
here.
This
is
also
proposed
as
108
feet
in
height
on
what
is
currently
zoned
mu2,
that
is
currently
an
80
foot
height
limit
and
the
mu1
is
a
70
foot,
height
limit,
and
so
that's
proposed
as
a
10
story,
building
in
lieu
of
six
stories
and
in
lieu
of
five
stories.
K
This
is
the
one
exception
to
the
lot
coverage.
We
have
82
percent
coverage
as
opposed
to
70
coverage
and
then,
once
again,
the
front
yard
setback
to
allow
the
the
more
generous
sidewalks
catherine
north.
K
This
is
proposed
as
a
residential
facility,
approximately
222
units,
the
height,
is
proposed
108
feet
along
college
avenue
in
lieu
of
the
80
feet
allowed
by
existing
zoning,
and
then
that
is
stepping
down
to
66
feet.
You
know
it
might.
I
can't
see
that
yeah
66
feet,
sorry
and
then
56
feet,
66
in
lieu
of
45
and
56
in
lieu
of
45.,
and
so
we
have
10
stories
along
college
avenue,
six
stories
and
five
stories
and
then
finally
catherine's
south.
This
is
also
a
residential
facility.
K
The
height
is
proposed
along
college
avenue
at
108
feet
in
lieu
of
70
feet
allowed
by
the
existing
zoning
and
that
steps
down
to
96
feet
and
56
feet.
So
again
we
have
10
stories
and
nine
and
five
in
the
case
of
this
building
on
cook
street.
Actually,
the
existing
zoning
would
allow
a
10-foot
setback,
but
here
we're
actually
providing
a
30-foot
setback
so
that
the
building
actually
aligns
with
the
other
houses
further
west
on
cook
street.
K
So
that
summarizes
the
the
ask
for
the
and
the
the
changes
to
the
zoning.
This
is
just
these
are
actually
elevations
along
catherine
street.
So
this
is
looking
north
on
catherine's
street.
You
can
see
that
steeply
sloping
street.
This
is
the
building
that
faces
college
avenue,
and
then
you
can
see
how
those
buildings
are
stepping
down
as
you
go
down
as
you
move
west
on
catherine
same
thing
on
cook
street.
K
There
are
extensive
benefits
to
this
project
and
I'd
like
to
just
I'd
like
to
go
through
each
of
these
bullet
points
and
just
highlight
some
of
the
more
significant
ones.
K
This
new
employment
center
is
what
is
going
to
create
the
24
7
12
month,
a
year
economy
that
has
really
been
the
goal
for
college
town.
For
many
many
years
I
mean
you
look
through
all
of
these
plans
that
have
been
done
over
the
years
and
they
all
say
that
you
know
the
goal
should
be
to
have
a
workforce
there.
That
is
more
diversified,
and
that
is
there
12
months
a
year,
and
this
is
what
is
going
to
create
a
strong
college
town
economy.
K
This
is
really
the
foundation
of
the
success
of
this
project
and
of
college
town,
and
this
is
what
this
project
proposes
to
do.
This
density
of
employment
is
what
is
going
to
allow
you
to
realize
this
vision,
and
this
density
of
employment
and
residence
will
increase
the
consumer
demand
for
neighborhood
services
and
restaurants.
K
It's
going
to
make
existing
businesses
stronger
and
it
will
make
new
commercial
activity
viable,
and
so
you
know,
we've
talked
a
lot
about
the
idea
of
having
these.
You
know
transparent
spaces
on
the
ground
floor
that
are
activated.
You
know
those
kinds
of
spaces
those
commercial
activities
really
become
viable
because
of
the
injection
of
the
job
creation
and
this
greater
density
of
resident
residences
in
college
town
and
as
as
well
as
keeping
the
residents
out
of
the
surrounding
neighborhoods.
K
So
then
moving
on
to
many
benefits
to
the
neighborhood
itself
and
college
town
district
improvements,
so
we've
already
covered
the
plus
planning
endeavors.
I
think
a
lot
of
that
is
this
economy,
as
well
as
quality
architecture
and
streetscapes
increased
pedestrian
space,
improved
housing,
safety,
it's
and
supply,
and
density.
K
So
I'll
just
touch
quickly
on
a
few
of
these
in
terms
of
quality
architecture,
I
just
wanted
to
you
know
as
an
example:
the
brezano
center
that
was
recently
constructed
on
dryden
road.
I
think
it
demonstrates
the
very
high
quality
architecture
that
this
developer
and
architect
bring
to
this
project
as
well.
I
think
one
of
the
major
strategies
that
we're
using
on
all
of
the
buildings
on
college
avenue
and
dryden
road
are
this
transparency.
K
At
the
ground
floor,
all
of
the
buildings
will
have
be
very
transparent
at
the
ground
floor
entrances
that
really
activate
provide
activity
from
the
street
and
abroad.
Sidewalks,
you
know,
certainly
the
design
of
the
streetscape
is
not
complete,
but
you
know
this
suggests
the
kinds
of
things
that
can
be
done
to
really
create
a
higher
level
of
amenity,
and
so
just
you
know
thinking
about
this
kind
of
transparency.
K
Here's
a
view
of
the
proposed
project
on
college
avenue.
So
this
is
looking
towards
the
west
side
of
college
avenue.
This
is
the
catherine
north
site
and
the
catherine's
south
side.
So
these
are
residential
buildings.
These
would
be
brick
buildings
more
in
keeping
with
the
materials
along
college
avenue,
but
you
can
see
the
ground
floor
here.
The
suggestion
of
this
very
transparent
ground
floor
here.
The
suggestion
is
a
fitness
center
lobby,
other
commercial
spaces.
K
The
ground
floor
is
stepped
back,
creating
this
wider
sidewalk
space
and
then
here
the
suggestion
of
some
of
the
plaza
space
at
the
corner.
I'm
now
going
to
walk
further
down
college
avenue
further
south
and
look
back
at
this
corner.
So
here
now
I've
walked
down.
K
I'm
looking
back
here,
you
can
see
the
existing
312
college
avenue,
that's
an
existing
building
here
and
the
the
new
building
then
in
brick,
again
catherine,
north
and
here
you
can
see
this
large
plaza
space
and
the
transparent
ground
floor
at
the
corner
of
dryden
road
and
college
avenue
this
building
because
of
the
great
density
and
congestion
at
the
corner
of
dryden
in
college.
The
entrance
is
actually
moved
south
on
college
avenue,
giving
it
an
address
on
college
avenue
that
entrance
is
pulled
back.
K
There
is
the
black
dotted
line
indicates
a
building
overhang,
but
the
entrance
is
pulled
back,
so
we
actually
have
a
30
foot,
34
foot
wide
sidewalk
in
this
location
to
really
open
that
intersection
up-
and
here
you
see
that
here
I
am
standing
at
the
corner
of
dryden
road
looking
south
and
you
can
see
this
more
generous
sidewalk
space.
You
can
also
see
the
transparency
of
the
ground
floor.
K
We
see
this
as
being
illuminated
at
night
and
so
that
this
space
really
becomes
sort
of
a
beacon
at
this
most
important
corner
and
intersection
in
college
town.
K
K
I've
already
touched
on.
You
know
the
fact
of
you
know
creating
these
numerous
plaza
open
spaces.
Currently
today,
there's
virtually
no
other
than
the
schwartz
plaza,
there's
virtually
no
outdoor
social
spaces,
and
so
this
project
is
going
to
result
in
this
whole
sort
of
string
of
pearls
of
spaces
all
along
college
avenue
that
we
think
will
be
extremely
inviting
and
with
the
increased
density,
we
see
these
as
very
important
to
the
quality
of
life
in
college
town.
K
In
addition,
many
of
the
backyards
of
an
interior
courtyard
spaces
of
these
buildings
will
also
be
converted
to
green
space.
Most
of
these
spaces
today
are
really
these
are
asphalt.
Parking
lots
just
like
building
property,
lined
property
line,
so
there
actually
is
an
increase
in
green
space
on
the
interior
as
well.
So
these
will
be
developed
as
green
space
for
the
residents
of
these
buildings
on
both
catherine,
north
and
south.
K
Oh,
in
addition,
the
other
thing
I
wanted
to
point
out
here
is,
as
you
know,
the
city
is
currently
undertaking
a
street
improvement
project
on
college
avenue.
We
are
actually
coordinating,
we've
been
talking
with
tim,
loge
and
others
at
the
city
about
this
street
improvement
project
and
really
talking
about
how
the
two
projects
can
work
together
for
the
greater
benefit,
and
so
one
of
the
things
that
has
been
discussed.
The
city
likes
the
idea
of
potentially
using
one
of
the
plazas
as
to
double
as
a
bus
stop.
K
So
here
we
are
looking
north
on
college
avenue.
This
is
cook
street
on
the
left,
and
so
it's
thought
that
this
up
covered
plaza
space
could
be
really
functional
as
a
as
a
covered
bus
stop
area,
and
so
one
discussion
is
the
possibility
of
moving
a
bus,
stop
to
immediately
adjacent
to
that
location.
K
Another
thing
that
you
can
see
in
this
sketch
along
college
avenue
in
this
section:
there
are
a
series
of
townhouses
and
these
townhouses
have
individual
entrances
onto
the
street,
and
so
that's
what
we're
seeing
here-
they're
little
stoops
and
little
porch
fronts,
and
so
this
is
a
strategy
from
the
design
guidelines,
one
of
those
strategies
again
to
really
make
the
street
fun
front.
More
activated
people
coming
and
going
and
making
the
architecture
more
articulated.
K
K
So
this
is
what
we're
calling
the
catherine
summit
site
and
at
this
intersection,
we've
actually
created
generous,
plaza
spaces
on
all
sides
of
the
intersection,
and
so
together
we
feel
like
this
really
becomes
a
very
significant
outdoor
social
space
along
the
summit
building.
You
can
see
the
siri
because,
of
course,
the
site
is
sloping
pretty
dramatically.
K
There
are
a
series
of
terraced
green
spaces
with
seating
all
along
the
edges,
we're
trying
to
really
maximize
the
amount
of
green
space
as
well
as
seating
opportunities
throughout.
So
these
are
seating
all
along
the
edges
with
terraced
green
spaces.
K
In
this
case
the
there
is
a
building
overhang,
but
this
is
three
stories
up,
and
so
we
believe
that
with
that
height
and
these-
and
these
are
tall
stories
because
it's
an
office
building
as
you
have
a
taller
than
normal
story,
so
we
believe,
with
that
height
and
this
western
expo
western
and
southern
exposure,
this
really
becomes
a
really
favorable
sun
pocket.
We
can
get
trees
growing
up
under
there.
People
won't
really
even
perceive
that
there's
an
overhang
in
this
particular
circumstance.
K
L
L
This
entire
proposed
development
really
is
going
to
meet
the
sustainability
initiatives
that
have
been
adopted
by
the
city
of
ithaca,
and
we
know
that
all
of
them
really
are
designed
to
reduce
the
use
of
natural
gas
and
therefore
reduce
greenhouse
emissions,
eventually
leading
to
carbon
neutrality
and
no
use
of
fossil
fuels
by
2030..
L
L
This
proposed
development
will
also
meet
the
requirements
of
the
green
building
policy,
which
requires
extensive
electrification
of
building
energy
systems.
Therefore,
again
significantly
reducing
the
use
of
natural
gas,
we're
also
going
to
meet
the
ithaca
energy
code,
supplement
requirements
which
includes
meeting
the
new
york
state,
energy,
commerce,
conservation,
construction
code,
as
well
as
the
new
green
building
policy,
which
again
limits,
provides
a
tremendous
amount
of
electrification
of
the
building
systems
and
therefore
reducing
greenhouse
emissions.
This
is
the
overall
view
of
what
we're
planning
for
sustainability.
L
We
have
as
we
go
through
the
process
itself,
we'll
share
all
of
those
details
as
to
our
successes
in
making
this
fit
within
all
of
the
green
building
policies.
Catherine.
K
Great,
thank
you,
airbend,
okay,
just
a
couple
more
points,
so,
in
addition
to
all
of
the
benefits
that
we've
already
outlined,
the
developer
is
proposing
to
contribute
a
million
dollars
toward
neighborhood
improvements
in
college
town.
K
One
of
the
ideas
that
we
had
is
the
possibility
of
reconstructing
and
relocating
the
old
fire
station
number
nine.
Here
you
see
a
photo
of
that
old
fire
station.
The
the
bottom
portion
of
this
is
behind
the
nines
restaurant.
I
think,
as
most
of
you
know,
at
the
top
is
not
there,
so
the
idea
would
be
to
actually
reconstruct
the
old
fire
station
to
be
used
as
a
community
center.
You
know
the
idea
is
that
there's
a
community
center,
possibly
there's
a
way
to
combine
this
idea.
So
that's
that's
one
thought
we
have.
K
K
So,
in
addition
to
the
million
toward
the
neighborhood
improvements,
the
developer
is
also
offering
a
million
to
ithaca
neighborhood
housing
for
affordable
housing
projects
to
be
mutually
agreed
upon,
as
well
as
an
additional
million
to
the
city
for
budget
shortfalls.
K
We
know
that
covet
has
been
devastating
for
all
of
our
cities,
and
so
the
idea
is
that
that
could
provide
some
assistance
there.
But
again
these
are
suggestions,
and
we
certainly
want
to
work
with
the
city
to
identify
what
the
city
believes
would
be
the
best
investment
for
the
greatest
community
benefit
and,
of
course,
there
are
significant
state
plan
review
and
building
permit
fees
that
will
be
generated
by
the
project
as
well,
especially
given
the
size
of
the
project
and
then
finally,
taxes
there
will
be
significant.
K
K
The
other
projects
are,
the
specific
schedule
is
unknown
based
on
market
conditions,
but
the
hope
is
that
they
would
follow
closely
on
the
heels
of
catherine,
north
and
catherine
south,
and
that's
the
conclusion
of
my
presentation
and
I'd
be
we.
The
team
would
be
happy
to
take
the
questions.
A
Thank
you
for
the
presentation,
I'm
sure
we're
going
to
have
questions,
there's
a
lot
of
interest
and
questions
about
this
project.
So
why
don't
we
go
ahead
and
open
it
up?
I
know
we're
joined
by
several
of
council
members
tonight
as
well
as
the
mayor.
Does
anybody
have
any
questions
or
comments
for
the
project.
H
H
One
question
I
have
is:
if
you
have
met
with
the
neighborhood,
I
believe
bell.
Sherman
has
a
neighborhood
association.
We
heard
from
one
member
of
the
neighborhood,
and
I
expect
other
residents
closest
to
the
development
you're
proposing,
would
have
a
number
of
questions
and
comments.
So
what
outreach
have
you
done
with
the
specifically
the
bell
sherman
neighborhood
residents?
H
K
K
K
I
M
Have
had
conversations
with
people
in
the
neighborhood
who
I
know
well,
the
plan
was
to
get
this
material
out
to
the
public
and
then
in
the
coming
several
weeks
try
to
meet
with
a
variety
of
people
and
committees.
If
that
seemed
to
be
the
the
best
way
to
do
it.
But,
yes,
the
intention
is
to
have
conversations
with
with
people
in
the
neighborhood
and
neighbor.
What
do
they
call?
Neighborhood
association.
M
None
have
been
had
formally
yet
because
we
wanted
to
put
our
presentation
together
ahead
of
trying
to
do
that.
The
the
drawings
and
everything
in
there
would
be
very
useful
in
terms
of
trying
to
explain
what
exactly
we're
doing.
So.
A
Thanks
john
donna.
D
I
have
a
few
questions.
Tell
me
more
about
this
360
jobs,
not
not
other
than
construction
worker
jobs
that
you
anticipate,
creating.
M
N
Sure
so
it's
our
hope
and
expectation
that
we
will
be
able
to
bring
some
technology
related
company
jobs,
both
tech
transfer
and
startup
companies
to
college
town
in
order
to
have
better
proximity
to
various
departments.
At
cornell.
N
We've
had
success
with
this
in
the
past,
with
the
building
of
essentially
2
000
jobs
in
the
cornell
business
and
technology
park,
which
utilizes
both
technology
hires,
as
well
as
light
manufacturing
workforce.
N
We
believe
that
this
is
going
to
work
in
college
town
and
it's
our
hope
that
the
same
people
who
are
working
there
will
live
there
in
some
of
the
same
buildings
so
that
they'll
be
permanent
residents
of
that
area.
That's
that
was
our
primary
goal
in
seeking
the
bud
in
order
to
be
able
to
accomplish
that
goal.
D
N
Well,
I
think
catherine,
do
you
want
to
take
that
or
arvind
or
I'm
happy
to
to
take
it?
That's
an
open
floor
plate
building.
N
We
we're
at
a
higher
height
limitation,
we're
trying
to
accomplish
some
goals
as
far
as
the
workforce
that
can
be
in
that
building.
That's
our
actual!
Actually,
our
next
planned
project
to
follow
shortly
on
the
heels
of
catherine,
north
and
south,
and
it's
specifically
for
digital
enterprise
startup
opportunity,
and
there
are
a
number
of
companies
that
we
work
with,
who
we
think
are
perfect
for
that
location.
So,
we've
lowered
the
building
from
the
original
goal
still
trying
to
make
it
a
meaningful
location
for
relocation
of
some
of
the
companies.
D
E
Thank
you
so
you're
you're
talking
about
creating
360
jobs,
an
environment
for
people
to
live
and
work
there.
So
can
you
tell
me
more
about
the
housing
units
and
how
what
actions
you're
going
to
be
taking
to
target
them
to
families?
Will
there
be
playgrounds,
will
be?
Will
there
be
other
amenities
to
support
families?
What
are
the
types
of
bedroom?
E
How
many
bedrooms
are
you
looking
at?
Can
you
give
us
an
assurance
that
these
units
are
going
to
be
available
for
sale
or
at
the
very
minimum,
be
12
month
leases
instead
of
11
month
leases.
N
I'm
happy
to
jump
in
again
if
catherine
and
arvin
and
john,
if
you'd
like
the
first
two
projects,
catherine
north
and
south,
are
student-based
projects
graduate
student
and
undergraduate
much
like
what
we've
accomplished
at
college
town,
terrace,
the
what
we
call
the
big
building
and
frankly
harvard.
I
cannot
remember
the
name
you
pick
on
that
catherine
summit.
Okay,
thank
you
very
much,
catherine
summit.
N
I
call
it
the
big
building
that
is
a
mixed-use
building
and
we
would
love
to
see
some
family
location
in
there
as
part
of
the
workforce
and
we're
still
we're
still
in
the
in
the
works
on
creating
the
vision
for
exactly
how
that
building
will
function.
N
As
you're
probably
aware,
there's
been
some
reluctance,
particularly
on
college
avenue,
for
some
families
to
locate
there
in
recent
period,
and
so
yes,
we
are
looking
at
this
as
being
transformative
and
it's
a
really
challenging
project
and
that's
why
we're
going
down
the
path
of
a
pud.
So
that
we
can
try
and
accomplish
some
of
these
goals,
we
could
build
2
000
student
apartments
as
of
right
on
this
on
these
sites.
N
We
we
took
that
as
our
bible
and
then
tried
to
find
ways
to
make
it
economically
feasible
to
accomplish
these
goals.
We
think
we
have
the
right
relationships,
the
right
experience
to
do
this.
It
took
20
years
to
build
the
business
and
technology
park
to
the
level
that
it's
at
right
now
we're
trying
to
accomplish
this
in
a
far
shorter
period
with
a
greater
density
and
it's
challenging,
but
our
goal
is
to
is
to
accomplish
some
of
the
goals
that
were
just
asked
about.
E
I,
if
I
may
follow
up
with
that,
you
know
I.
I
appreciate
that
you,
the
presentation,
started
off
talking
about
the
transformation
of
college
town
to
being
a
a
area
of
the
city
that
has
more
of
a
12-month
per
year
activity
population,
as
you
mentioned,
a
big
part
of
that
is
going
to
be
to
attracting
attracting
young
professionals
and
families
and
permanent
residents,
and
I
am
very,
very
interested
to
know
more
about
how
you
intend
to
do
that.
E
We
are
seeking,
obviously,
a
variety
of
housing
types
at
a
variety
of
income
levels
and
definitely
more
opportunity
for
for
for
people
to
own
their
homes
and
supports
for
families.
So
I'd
be
very
curious
to
see
how
you
plan
to
incorporate
that
if,
indeed,
your
overall
mission
is
to
create
this
space
as
a
12
month
per
year,.
A
H
Yes,
thank
you
and
my
question
follows
up
on
cynthia's
questions.
I
I
believe
I
heard
you
say
that
the
housing
would
be
primarily
student
housing,
whether
it's
undergraduate
graduate
housing,
but
that's
400
plus,
is
that
units
of
of
housing?
H
That's
my
my
question,
but
my
related
question
has
to
do
with
all
of
the
student
housing
that
has
been
built
in
recent
years
and
is
in
the
process
of
being
built,
including
maplewood,
north
campus,
residential
unit
building
city
center,
that
houses
students.
So
my
question
really
is:
what
assessment
is
there
on
the
need
for
more
student
housing,
particularly
as
cornell
is
looking
to
require
on-campus
housing
for
first
and
second
year?
Students.
H
H
Right,
yes,
primarily,
I
I
understand
that
there
are
222
units
in
catherine.
N
Yeah
there
are,
there
are
670
or
so
bedrooms
in
those
two
projects.
L
N
Right
and
with
all
of
the
other
building
sites,
far
more
could
be
accomplished.
What
we
can
tell
you
is
that,
although
we're
not
building
out
that
aggregate
number
of
beds
on
the
other
sites,
because
we're
targeting
that
for
the
workforce,
what
we
are
doing
is
clearly
part
of
what
we
assess
as
the
market
demand.
We
know
well
what
the
bedroom
count
is
for
on
campus
and
what
the
plan
is
now.
N
Obviously,
this
is
an
unusual
year
where
roughly
somewhere,
between
70
and
75
of
the
enrollment
is
here
in
ithaca,
as
opposed
to
a
typical
year,
so
the
covet
factor
is
certainly
certainly
different,
but
I
guess
I
would
point
out
that
when
we
talk
about
college
town
and
particularly
central
college
town,
there
is
a
strong
desire
in
the
student
population
to
live
there,
and
it
was
my
understanding
that
city
center
was
never
targeted
for
student
housing.
That
was
part
of
their
approval
and
tax
abatement
process
that
they
weren't
going
to
be
targeting
student
housing.
N
There
are
students
living
there,
perhaps
inappropriately,
based
on
the
abatement
that
was
granted,
but
with
that
fact
we
expect
that
in
this
location
we
will
see
students
gravitating
close
into
campus
and
frankly,
our
student
housing
pricing
at
our
projects
is
lower
than
city
center
and
is
lower
than
the
other
projects
that
are
abated
right
now.
O
M
If
I'm
sorry,
if
I
could
add
one
other
thing
to
answer
your
question,
I'm
sorry
to
interrupt
sure
lots
of
people
build
student
housing
in
a
variety
of
different
ways,
and
some
number
of
the
projects
that
have
been
built
in
college
town
are
really
not
suitable
for
anybody,
but
students
to
live
in
them,
they're,
two-story
spaces,
with
hammocks
hanging
off
the
top
floor,
and
things
like
that.
We
build
adult
apartments.
M
We
have
some
number
not
a
lot,
but
some
number
of
adults
that
live
in
college
town
terrace
and
I
think
they
feel
they're
in
some
of
the
best
and
most
suitable
adult
apartments
in
ithaca.
So,
even
if
our
expectation
at
least
to
begin
with,
is
that
is
that
there'll
be
a
lot
of
students
living
in
this
apartment
project
that
is
catherine,
north
and
south.
M
The
the
apartments
are
built
to
accommodate
anybody.
They
come
with
washers
and
dryers
real
bedrooms,
multiple
bathrooms,
a
kitchen.
You
could
make
thanksgiving
dinner
in
that
sort
of
things.
M
Simply
good
business
because
I
don't
think
anybody
knows
where
the
next
20
or
30
years
is
going
and,
and
you
want
to
build
something-
that's
suitable
for
more
than
one
you.
So
I
think
to
try
to
answer
at
least
a
piece
of
your
question:
we're
happy
to
rent
to
adults
and
expect
to
do
some
of
it.
I
think
we
all
understand
that,
particularly
with
undergraduates,
it's
difficult
to
accommodate
that
particular
segment
of
the
student
market
and
adults.
M
H
Oh
no
problem,
but
if
I
could
just
follow
up
then
with
with
my
question,
this
came
up
in
one
member
of
the
public
during
public
comment
pointed
to
the
need
in
the
community
for
workforce
housing,
affordable
housing-
and
I
understand-
and
I
think
phil
you've
mentioned
this-
that
the
rents
would
be
less
expensive
than
some
of
the
downtown
rents,
especially
in
the
new
developments.
But
can
you
comment
on
if
there
will
be
affordable,
workforce
housing
included
in
your.
N
If
we
have
to
address
an
affordable
need,
along
with
the
building
office
relocations,
then
we're
going
to
find
a
way
to
address
it.
But
we
haven't
worked
out
the
economics.
Yet
what
we
do
know
is
that
we're
targeting
a
large
number
of
jobs,
and
particularly
for
startups,
which
is
a
younger
demographic,
many
of
them
want
to
live
in
the
same
building,
want
to
be
able
to
essentially
fall
out
of
bed
into
work
and
vice
versa,
and
so
we'll
be
exploring
that.
But
I
really
don't
have
a
clear
answer
for
you:
laura.
A
B
B
Much
since
then
is
that
affordable
housing
is
difficult
to
implement
in
a
in
a
college
town
environment,
because
the
vast
majority
of
students
are
reporting
zero
income,
if
they're
on
there,
if
they're
still
as
I'm,
not
sure
how
that
overlays
with
whether
or
not
they're
a
dependent
on
their
on
their
parents,
taxes,
but
the
way
it
was
explained
to
me
by
someone
from
inhs
was
that
that
makes
it
very
difficult
to
to
administer.
A
N
When
we
came
up
with
the
concept
of
a
pud
is
to
bring
community
benefit.
As
we
understand
it,
we
tried
to
do
that
with
design
standards.
We
tried
to
do
that
with
our
approach
to
energy.
We
have
natural
gas
at
every
building
and
could
hook
up
the
natural
gas
and
build
market
rate
housing,
utilizing
that
and
trying
to
control
it
as
much
as
possible.
N
We're
taking
a
very
aggressive
approach
relative
to
energy
and
carbon
footprint
really
aggressive
to
address
all
of
those
needs
we're
still,
even
though
we
are
going
to
be
taxable
as
opposed
to.
I
guess
you
could
say
our
competitors
who
are
working
with
tax
abatements,
we're
still
under
pricing
them,
and
we
plan
on
doing
that
going
forward
and
finding
ways
to
find
more
affordable
housing.
N
In
our
last
phase
at
college
town
terrace,
we
did
something
we
felt
was
pretty
innovative,
providing
a
separate
room
and
a
private
bathroom
in
clustered
units
that
were
well
below
market
price
for
those
bets.
In
order
to
not
be
excluding
those
who
did
not
have
resources
and
wanted
to
live
in
the
same
graduate
student
environment,
we
have
the
exact
same
mindset
for
what
we're
trying
to
do
here.
Can
we
bring
a
methodology
like
inhs
to
college
town?
N
Probably
not,
but
that's
exactly
why,
when
we
explored
our
benefits,
we
allocated
dollars
for
that
purpose,
and
we
allocated
them
in
a
way
that
we
felt
might
be
most
helpful
to
our
community.
Could
all
of
the
dollars
that
we're
talking
about
go
towards
affordable
housing.
That's
run
by
folks,
like
inhs
sure
we're
open
to
those
kinds
of
discussions.
N
We
certainly
don't
want
them
going
to
support
other
developer
programs
for
affordable
housing.
We
rather
it
be
something
that's
city-centered
and
inhes-centered,
but
we're
eager
to
pursue
things
like
that
ideas
like
that,
and
we
think
that
we
can
accomplish
it.
It
was
the
motivation
that
the
county
had
when
they
tried
to
create,
in
our
opinion,
when
they
tried
to
create
a
method
for
affordable
housing
to
be
part
of
new
housing
stock.
That's
being
built.
O
O
So
I
think
part
of
the
reason
for
providing
funds
to
inhs,
as
laura
well
knows,
is
that
to
the
extent
you
can
provide
them
equity
right
that
they
can
then
use
to
leverage
those
other
federal
and
state
funds
for
new
housing
projects.
I
think
that's
that's
the
benefit
of
the
money
that
we
would
be
providing
in
terms
of
you
know
promoting
more
affordable
housing.
It's
a.
O
Than
the
person
who
commented
saying
that
you
know
the
million
dollars
are
owned
by
four
units,
that's
not
really
the
way
to
look
at
it.
The
way
to
look
at
it
is
that
this
provides
equity
to
inhs
that
they
could
then
use
to.
You
know
leverage
state
and
federal
funds
which
they
do
with
every
one
of
their
projects.
I
mean
you
guys,
know
you've
seen
their
pro
formas.
Typically,
there's
eight
to
nine.
D
When
what
do
you
think
would
be
the
answer
to
people
who
kind
of
miss
the
charming
human
scale
feel
of
college?
Who
are
imagining
this
and
thinking
that
they
would
miss
the
charming
human
scale,
small
town
feel
of
college
town?
What
what
do
we
say
to
constituents
who
moan
among
the
increasing
number
of
massive
buildings
in
what
used
to
be
a
small,
charming
city?
D
I
mean
what?
What
do
you
think
is
the
answer
to
those
sorts
of
feelings.
F
L
I
think,
based
on
the
quote,
form
based
zoning
that
is
already
in
place.
L
I
think
what
you
have
currently
in
stock
is
going
to
change
over
time,
no
matter
what
the
way
the
parcels
and
their
quote,
equities
built
into
those
parcels,
there's
already
an
understanding
based
on
your
form-based
zoning
ordinance
that
the
two-story
single-family
residences
are
no
longer
viable
in
those
places,
and
so
I
think
the
the
issue
is
that
for
the
vitality
of
this
environment,
for
this
space
and
place
to
constantly
be
thriving
and
growing,
it
needs
to
change,
and
that
change
is
not
an
ad
hoc
change,
but
a
well-designed,
well-planned
change
that
accommodates
all
of
the
inhabitants
that
are
not
only
on
college
avenue,
but
also
all
on
east
and
west
and
the
north
and
south
side
of
this.
L
So
yes,
we
understand
that
the
1930s,
the
1940s,
the
1950s
there
is
this.
What
I'll
call
this
romanticism
with
what
the
its
environment
of
college
town
was?
But
I
think,
even
today,
if
one
was
to
go
out
and
walk
on
college
avenue,
the
1930s
and
40s
are
no
longer
in
place.
There
are
already
tall
structures
on
college
avenue
and
they're
extending
to
the
east
and
west,
and
what
we're
providing
is
we're
providing
a
very
sophisticated
design
solution
to
a
fragmented.
L
O
I
I
would
add
to
that,
I
think
you
know
the
existing
housing
stock
there.
You
know
they're
all
houses
that
have
been
cut
up
somewhat
haphazardly
into
a
really
small.
You
know
apartments,
a
lot
of
them
lack.
You
know.
Sprinkler
systems
centralized
fire
alarm
systems,
I
mean
they're,
older
wood
buildings
that
have
been
really
cut
up
into
a
small
apartment,
so
I
think,
there's
a
big
difference
in
terms
of
the
overall
quality
and
safety
of
the
new
housing
stock
that
will
be
provided.
K
You
know
I'd
like
to
add
one
additional
point
in
response
to
that
question.
I
think,
by
putting
the
density
on
college
avenue,
you
have
the
greatest
opportunity
to
save
the
charm
of
the
neighborhoods.
That
you
know
lie
to
the
east
right,
and
so
I
think
that
that's
where
you
can
really
save
that
that
sort
of
smaller
scale
by
really
putting
the
density
here,
which
has
been
identified
in
in,
I
think
all
of
your
plans
have
have
identified
that
as
a
goal.
M
You
know,
I
think,
if
you
want
to
see
the
the
future
of
college
town,
one
might
look
at
the
rehab
public
space
in
in
front
of
the
performing
arts
center
and
the
redone
space
bed
next
door
to
sheldon
court,
which
has
now
become
a
place
to
grab
a
bagel
and
hang
out
outside.
M
I
drove
there
up
there
several
times
on
pretty
days.
This
fall,
and
that
was
the
single
nice
place
in
all
of
college
town
and
the
kids
understood
that
they
were
all
there
having
conversations
having
a
cup
of
coffee,
it
was
it,
it
really
gave
you
a
sense.
If
you
could
you
do
the
same
thing
in
the
rest
of
college
town,
how
much
nicer
it
would
be
than
it.
A
Yep,
laura
jackson,
cynthia.
H
Oh,
thank
you.
Thank
you.
I
certainly
hear
what
you're
saying
about
the
challenges
when
there
are
changes
to
what
has
been
the
case
buildings
and
so
on
that
that
have
existed,
and
when
there
are
changes
there,
there
can
be
some
challenges
with
that.
We've
seen
that
throughout
the
city,
whether
it's
downtown.
H
On
the
north
side
in
fall,
creek
we've
we've
seen
that
I
wanted
to
come
back
to
something
that
was
said.
I
think
phil.
You
mentioned
that
with
the
job
creation,
you're
really
exploring
and
expecting
that
young
entrepreneurs
would
be
drawn
to
the
tech
fields,
text
startups,
and
that
leads
me
to
ask
a
question
about
all
of
the
housing
units
being
for
rent
and
wondering
if
you
have
given
any
consideration
to
some
number
of
condos,
for
example,
that
that's
one
question.
Then
I
also
wanted
to
ask
you
if
you
could
comment
on
parking.
N
We
haven't
explored
any
forms
of
ownership,
third-party
ownership
of
the
units,
yet
we
don't
know
for
a
fact
what
will
be
the
exact
nature
of
the
companies
that
will
be
coming
to
these
buildings,
we're
expecting
and
hoping
that
when
we
ex,
we
go
down
the
path
of
mixed-use
buildings
that
as
much
commercial
use
as
possible,
can
be
developed
and
delivered.
N
Well,
john,
can
answer
this
as
well
as
I
we,
as
you
might
know,
we've
developed
parking
with
our
other
projects,
particularly
312,
in
an
abundance
of
parking
at
college
town
terrace,
and
we
were
granted
a
resolution
by
the
city
to
be
able
to
utilize
that
parking
for
other
projects
that
we
control
in
college
town
and
it's
our
expectation
to
do
exactly
that.
M
We
we
have
about
650,
give
or
take
parking
places
at
college
town
terrace.
That
number
was
was
derived
from
a
need
to
meet
the
parking
code.
At
that
time
we
never
rent
more
than
50
of
those
parking
places
and
we're
running
to
a
fairly
affluent
population
that
you
would
think
at
least
hasn't
have
enough
money
to
own
a
car
if
they
wish
to
own
a
car.
M
So
in
the
old
days
we
used
to
think
that
about
half
the
people
we
rented
to
have
cars
and
now
we're
looking
at
more
like
a
quarter
or
30,
perhaps
of
the
people
we
leased
to
have
cars
and-
and-
and
I
think
things
continue-
the
numbers
continue
to
drop
and
you
know
everything
gets
a
bit
greener.
So
those
are
the
numbers
behind
what
phil
was
was
addressing.
O
And
the
bus
that
john
is
referring
to
laura
is
a
shuttle
service
that
runs
back
and
forth
between
college
town
and
campus
and
goes
up
and
down
college
out
of
throughout
the
day.
And
so
it's
not
so
far-fetched
right.
It's
a
pretty
easy
connection
to
make
not
dissimilar
from
what
people
do
on
campus
between
the
a-lot
and
b-lot
and
central
campus.
M
College
down
terrace
to
two
or
three
different
locations
on
campus.
M
Yes,
in
fact,
we've
asked
as
part
of
our
plan
we've
tried
to
identify
some
places
on
college
ave,
as
college
avenue
gets
changed
where
we
we
can
stop
this
bus
without
holding
up
traffic
and
pick
people
up
that
we're
running
to
in
buildings
that
we've
either
built
or
are
going
to
build
in
college
town,
so
it'll
be
an
expanded
service.
A
All
right,
we
still
have
a
lot
of.
We
still
have
a
lot
of
people
who
want
to
speak,
so
we
should
probably
move
on
the
line
we
had
jackson
and
then
cynthia
steve
and
cevante
ducks,
and
you
said
you
wanted
and
then
george
so
I'll
forego
my
comments
since
we
have
so
many
people
want
to
speak
ducks
and
why
don't
you
go
ahead
and
then
we'll
move
down
the
list.
P
P
Editorialize
first
and
then
have
a
question,
so
there
are
a
lot
of
things
I
like
about
this
project.
The
streetscaping
is
beautiful.
I
think
the
setback,
france
requests
are
a
no-brainer.
The
urbanization
is
really
good.
I
think
we
all
know
this,
but
urban
living
is
more
sustainable
and
produces
a
lot
of
community
vibrancy.
P
The
work
of
the
architect
speaks
for
itself,
giving
the
other
projects
in
in
ithaca.
So
I
do
think
it'll
look
good
and
a
24
7
365
economy
is
something
I
want
that
will
diversify
us
beyond
the
ends
and
meds
that
we're
reliant
on
enemies
and
tourism.
I'm
a
software
engineer,
so
obviously
I'm
enthusiastic
about
getting
more
tech
jobs
here,
but
my
concerns
are
and
you've
addressed
a
little
bit
of
it,
but
the
the
jobs
plan
still
seems
vague
to
me.
P
P
P
I'm
also
personally
not
that
interested
in
moving
fire
station
number
nine.
I
think
that
money
can
be
used
better
elsewhere.
I'd
defer
to
the
fourth
word
older
persons
on
that,
but
that's
just
my
personal
opinion
and
in
general
I
I
feel
like
we
want
to
see.
P
I
would
like
to
see
more
community
benefit
and
what
I
have
in
mind,
as
just
a
counter
proposal
is,
is
more
money
to
not
to
nhs
who
I
adore,
but
to
the
community
housing
development
fund,
the
joint
county
city
fund,
that
supports
a
lot
of
affordable
housing
projects
and
the
reason
why
I
say
that
is
we're
getting
an
increasingly
diverse
set
of
applicants
of
all
different
sizes
from
very
large
ones,
like
casino
to
individuals
who
are
building
duplexes
in
their
backyards
that
are
they're
making
available
to
section
eight,
and
so
the
chdf
goes
through
this
whole
vetting
process
with
a
lot
money
and
to-
and
I
actually
wanted
to
address,
anne's
comment
earlier
too-
that
yeah,
you
don't
spend
a
million
dollars
directly
building
housing,
you
use
it
to
leverage
grants
and
tax
credits
and
the
last
funding
round
at
the
community
housing
development
fund.
P
We
averaged
about
five
thousand
dollars
per
unit,
and
so
you
know
five
thousand
of
the
average
construction
cost
of
three
hundred
thousand
dollars
per
unit
isn't
much,
but
it
demonstrates
community
support
and
helps
convince
the
state
to
to
give
us
that
money
or
to
give
the
project
that
kind
of
money,
so
donation
to
the
chdf,
throw
out
five
million
dollars.
P
So
my
question,
though,
is
there's
a
line
in
the
in
the
application
about,
and
you
may
have
addressed
it.
I
just
missed
it
that
you're
working
on
agreement
with
local
tax
and
jurisdictions,
so
you're
pursuing
like
a
pilot
agreement
with
with
the
tax
jurisdictions.
N
So
I
can
answer
that
question
directly
and
our
goal
is:
we
are
not
seeking
an
abatement.
As
we've
said,
we
are
seeking
to
have
a
structured,
real
estate
tax
pilot,
similar
to
what
we
did
with
brazano
and
primarily
because
we've
been
asked
to
consider
that
by
those
in
city
and
and
county
government,
with
the
goal
that
the
properties
could
not
be
removed
from
the
tax
rolls
for
a
long
duration.
N
The
brezzano
structured
real
estate
tax
deal,
which
I
might
add,
increases
at
a
tax
rate
in
excess
of
what
we're
seeing
as
tax
rate
increase
in
the
county
was
done
for
a
50-year
duration
to
ensure
the
viability
for
the
community
and
we've
had
we're
we're
in
embarking
on
similar
conversations
with
the
county
ida
now
so
we're
trying
to
have
that
long-term
structure
in
place
so
that
this
always
remains
part
of
the
taxable
roles
within
our
community.
N
Well,
you
know
I,
I
guess
the
the
way
to
really
put.
This
is
john,
and
I
have
been
at
this
for
a
long
time.
We've
been
doing
this
stuff
for
a
long
time.
We
wanted
to
do
something
different
and
and
fun
and
transformative,
and
we
think
that
we
can
bring
real
value
to
the
community,
given
the
opportunity
to
achieve
it,
and
I
understand
your
your
comment
relative
to
well,
you
know
it's
not
that
easy
to
to
get
tech
companies
that
are
viable
to
move
in
and
have
employment,
and
you
are
absolutely
100
percent
spot
on.
N
A
So
next
up,
I
think
it's
cynthia
I'll
just
say
quickly.
I
was
gonna.
My
comment
actually
were
gonna,
be
very
similar
to
ducks
I'm
glad
he
mentioned
the
community
develop
housing
funds.
I
was
also
gonna
mention
that
as
a
possible
source
of
contribution
and
he
threw
out
the
five
million
dollar
number.
I
think
that
sounds
like
a
great
starting
point
for
negotiations.
A
Before
we
move
on
to
cynthia's,
we
got
an
email
from
historic
ithaca
that
raised
the
concern
about
the
construction
debris
and
making
sure
that
since
there's
going
to
be
so
many
demolitions
with
this
project
that
there's
a
plan
in
place
for
the
recycling
and
and
salvaging
of
construction
debris,
so
just
to
make
sure
that
that
isn't
going
to
the
landfill
and
obviously
that's
in
line
with
the
the
city's
green
new
deal
and
all
our
environmental
goals.
So
I
hope
I
hope
that
that's
something
you're
also
looking
at
you
know.
O
O
On
that
herman,
yeah
sure
in
fact
steph,
I
I've
already
had
conversations
with
susan
holland
as
historic,
ethica
we've
actually
already
been
working
with
diane
cohn.
You
know,
we've
done
all
the
interior
abatement
on
these
houses
that
are
going
to
be
demolished.
O
Diane
and
her
crew
and
ithaca
reuse
went
through
and
salvaged
all
the
furniture
that
they
thought
they
could
use.
Susan
is
interested
in
getting
together
with
diane
and
rich
johns.
He's
got
a
project
in
mind
for
reusing
building
materials
and
to
see
sometime
during
this
process
that
we
can
get
in
and
start
salvaging.
All
the
interior
architectural
elements,
doors
door
trim
base
molding
that
kind
of
stuff
before
these
buildings
are
demolished.
A
E
I
I
echo
and
appreciate
ducks
in
and
seth
bringing
forward
with
regards
to
the
housing
development
fund
and
the
amount
that
they've
proposed.
I
like
dexton.
I
really
need
to
be
convinced
with
regards
to
the
job
creation,
I'm
I'm
feeling
not
very
supportive
of
the
12
story,
building
at
the
the
dryden
at
the
corner
of
dryden.
E
I,
when
you
talk
about
parking,
I
will
say,
is
one
of
the
representatives
for
south
hill.
One
of
the
comments
that
I
hear
repeatedly
from
residents
who
live
in
south
hill
is
they
believe
that
many
of
the
cars
parking
in
the
neighborhood
there
are
actually
owned
by
residents
who
live
over
over
the
creek
in
college
town.
So
I'm
not
sure
what
assurance
you
have
that
your
residents
are
just
choosing
not
to
rent
a
parking
spot
and
parking
instead
in
adjacent
neighborhoods,
so
that
they
don't
have
to
pay.
E
But
that
seems
to
be
just
the
anecdotal
feeling
by
many
of
the
residents
in
in
south
hill.
I
do
have
a
a
difference
in
perspective
when
you
talk
about
public
amenities
with
regards
to
these
quote:
unquote:
plazas
or
green
space.
You
you
mentioned
the
sheldon
court
new
you
and
the
schwartz
center.
I
think
that
those
instances
are
distinctively
different
because
they
are,
they
have
more
of
a
feel
of
a
park
at
pocket
park.
E
They
don't
have
a
building
overhead,
it
does
feel
very
public
and
inviting
the
open
spaces
that
you
have
along
college
avenue
are
actually
very
much
within
the
the
footprint
of
your
buildings.
They
have
an
overhang
over
it.
It
feels
like
a
private
space,
even
though
members
of
the
public
could
access
it.
E
For
example,
even
though
there
are
seating
areas
off
of
aurora
street
next
to
the
marriott
oh
gosh,
the
restaurant
there
has
madeline's,
I
don't
even
remember
who's
there
now.
You
know
it
feels
very
private.
I
wouldn't
sit
there
as
a
member
of
the
public
unless
I
were
going
to
the
restaurant
there
or
or
had
business
there.
So,
even
though
it
I
don't
think
of
it
as
a
public
amenity,
the
way
that
you
are
introducing
it
as
a
public
amenity.
I
Would
realize
that
for
a
second
I
would
just
actually
start
to
interrupt,
but
I
think
that
there
I
appreciate
the
comment
I
think
there
are.
K
Strategies
that
we
can
undertake
to
address
that
so,
for
example,
you
know
in
the
examples
you're
quoting
you
know,
the
developer
of
the
building
is
designing
those
spaces
as
integral
to
the
building
architecture,
whereas
in
this
case
we
are,
the
developer
is
actually
rebuilding
all
of
the
sidewalks.
K
You
know
from
the
curb
to
the
face
of
the
building,
and
so
the
the
materials
and
the
the
streetscape
amenities
will
all
be
it's
it's
the
palette
of
the
side
of
the
public
sidewalk
in
the
public
right-of-way,
and
it
will
feel
like
a
continuation
of
that
and
will
be
designed
with
that
in
mind,
as
opposed
to
being
specifically
designed
as
an
extension
of
the
building.
So
I
think
there
are
strategies,
I
think
it's
a
you
know
it's
something
that
we
can
address.
L
L
Cynthia,
it's
going
to
feel
like
a
semi-private
space
for
the
people
who
occupy
that
building,
but
if
you
enter
the
space
off
of
the
large
sidewalks
and
therefore
you
are
accessible
right
to
the
space
in
and
out,
it
doesn't
feel
like
a
semi-private
space,
and
I
think,
as
we
look
at
these
spaces,
there
are
they're
already
starting
to
form
in
that
manner.
The
catherine
summit
is
totally
accessible
from
the
curb
all
the
way
to
the
building
edge.
L
Yes,
it
has
an
overhang,
but
it
has
a
three-story
overhang,
and
that
is
a
space
that
I
have
been
a
part
of
in
in
other
cities,
which
does
not
feel
like
a
private
space.
The
same
thing
goes
with
catherine,
north
and
catherine.
South.
The
entrance
into
those
public
spaces
is
off
of
the
sidewalk
itself
and
you're
not
mixing
entrances
to
the
building
with
those
spaces,
which
is
it's
a
very
astute
observation
on
your
point.
L
Our
goal
is
to
expand
on
that
and
open
them
up,
so
they
do
not
even
feel
like
a
semi-private
space
itself,
so
we'd
still
see
them.
As
as
I'm
going
to
go
back
to
what
catherine
said,
these
are
pearls
that
are
going
to
march
up
and
down
college
avenue
as
public
environments
and,
frankly,
what
we
hope
is
that
over
time
they
will
become
truly
truly
integrated
to
a
point
where
it's
just
a
natural
occurrence
and
really
will
have
some
of
those.
L
What
I'll
call
those
intermittent
pop-up
type
of
environments
that
are
that's
just
what
create
a
city.
I
mean
a
creative
vibrancy
which
is
there's
an
art
show
that
is
out
there.
There
is
sales
of
little
trinkets
that
sometimes
happen
as
just
an
event
that
will
happen
or
a
tent
goes
up,
and
then
there
is
an
event
going
on
and
all
of
these
spaces
are
going
to
be
designed
fully.
Towards
that
extent,.
E
Thank
you.
I
appreciate
that
that
clarification
and
expanding
on
that
when
we
talk
about
the
the
pud
and
I
came
at
the
pud,
with
a
different
perspective
than
I
think
it's
been
talked
about
now
with
regards
to
allowing
expansions
with
regards
to
the
zoning
in
return
for
community
benefit.
E
You
know
the
original
rationale
for
the
pod
was
to
get
away
from.
You
know
euclidean
zoning,
whereby
we
have
residential
housing.
Here
we
have
commercial
here.
It
was
to
allow
us
to
incorporate
these
mixed
uses
and
and
so
on,
and
and
provide
some
flexibility
to
that.
What
you
were
proposing,
obviously,
is
is
a
significant
increase
in
height
in
return
for
well,
you
know,
I
think
one
of
the
units
is
mixed
use,
but
the
others
are
are
strictly
residential.
E
I
am
I'm
looking
forward
to
hearing
more
about
what
would
be
considered
the
you
know.
I
guess
you
were
using
the
term
adult
housing.
E
I'm
I'm
not
yet
persuaded
that
the
that
what
you
are
bringing
forward
justifies
the
ex
additions
of
height
that
you
are
proposing
here,
and
I
would
really
need
a
lot
more
information
to
understand
how
you
attend,
intend
to
achieve
the
goal
of
providing
that
year-round
community
and
also
addressing
our
housing
needs
for
a
huge
mix
of
of
of
income
levels
in
where
people
are
in
their
life.
So
I'd
like
to
hear
more
about
that
in
your
future
iteration
you.
K
Know
just
very
briefly,
just
very
briefly:
I
wanted
to
mention
that
there
are
actually
two
mixed
unit
mixed
use,
buildings,
and
so
those
are
envisioned
as
a
combination
of
office
space
with
residential
above
so
that
would
be
the
quote-unquote
adult
housing.
K
So
there's
two
that's
the
nines
site,
as
well
as
the
largest
building,
which
is
katherine
summit.
Those
are
both
mixed
use,
again:
professional
office
and
residential
and
commercial
and
and
then
the
dryden
center
at
the
corner
is
100
office
space.
K
So
I
I
believe
that
and
arvind,
maybe
you
can
back
me
up
here.
I
believe
that
approximately
50
of
the
square
footage
is
office,
space,
mixed
use
and
50
residential.
L
In
which
site
are
we
talking
about.
L
L
L
and
then,
in
the
other,
building
we're
asking
for
56
instead
of
45.,
that's
a
nine
foot,
and
so
when
we
talk
about
my
math
is
off.
I'm
sorry.
L
When
we
talk
about,
you
know
we're
asking
for
a
tremendous
height,
there's
only
one
building
that
we're
really
asking
for
tremendous
height,
which
is
the
dryden
center
site,
and
you
know
that
is
the
one
that
the
height
is
the
greatest
and
part
of
the
reason
why
the
height
is
really
the
greatest
is
because
of
the
program,
that's
supposed
to
be
an
office
space,
and
we
have
tried
to
condense
that
down
on
a
floor-to-floor
basis
and
that's
why
it's
driving
itself
to
that
height.
L
In
our
opinion,
as
professional
architects,
that
is
one
of
the
most
iconic
corners
that
you
have
in
college
town,
that
corner
with
that
size
in
many
ways
that
I
think
I've
described
it
before
was
this
is
the
one
place
where
you
can
accept
a
taller
building
that
will
mark
the
college
town
district
from
far
away,
as
just
as
the
other
towers,
for
example,
the
library
tower
does
for
the
cornell
campus.
L
A
We
do
have
several
more
speakers,
so
I
think
we
should
probably
move
move
along
and
savant
up
next
and
I
think
then
it
was
steve
and
then
george.
Q
Yes,
thank
you.
I
want
to
thank
you
for
this
proposal.
I
think
it's
a
good
proposal.
I
believe
it'll
get
better
because
well,
I
believe.
R
Q
Good
proposal,
because
it
is
better
than
everything
that's
there
now
I
mean
it
looks
better
it'll
be
more
useful.
It'll
certainly
be
safer
than
what
exists
now
and
it'll
be
of
a
higher
quality
than
what
exists
now
and
those
are
really
important.
Why
am
I
sure,
as
well
get
better
it's,
because
now
you
have
to
negotiate
with
this
common
council
and
somebody
who
negotiates
with
this
common
council
every
month.
I
can
tell
you
that
they
are
tough
but
fair
and
they
will
their
their
insistences.
Q
The
project,
I'm
sure
that
I
wanted
to
say,
though,
that
I
really
really
feel
donna's
question,
which
is
you
know?
What
do
we
do
about
this
changing
character?
The
changing
nature
of
cholesterol,
especially
somebody?
I
I
I'm
one
of
the
few
folks
who've
who's
lived
in
college
town
for
a
long
time,
so
most
of
us
get
the
pleasure
of
visiting
from
time
to
time.
Some
people
are
lucky
enough
to
live
there
for
two
years,
some
for
very.
I
Q
It's
not
exactly
the
same
anymore,
but
there's
a
reason
that
folks
only
stayed
there
for
two
years
or
three
years
or
four
years
we
used
to
say
there
was
a
saying
that
it
was
and
you'd
hear
it
for
joining
a
fraternity
too
and
you're
for
basic
training
in
the
military.
They'd
say
it's
the
most
fun.
You
never
want
to
have
again
right
and
living
in
college
house
the
most
fun.
Q
You
never
want
to
have
again
because
it
was
not
only
expensive,
but
it
was
unclean
and
it
was
unsafe
and
that
the
quality
of
life
that
happens
in
that
neighborhood
is
too
poor
and
has
been
too
poor
for
too
long
and
the
businesses
and
restaurants
that
many
of
us
love
have
already
long
closed,
because
they've
been
forced
onto
the
eight
or
nine
month,
calendar
or
business
column,
and
not
having
people
that
frequent
or
live
in
or
work
in
the
neighborhood
12
months
a
year
has
been
devastating
for
the
congress
up
there,
but
what's
even
more
I
find
is
I
mean
my
colleagues
know
that
that
you
know
I
I
don't
usually
judge
a
building
based
on
its
size,
but
on
its
aesthetics,
I've
seen
tall
buildings
that
are
lovely
and
short
buildings
that
are
ugly
and
to
me,
what
you
know
just
because
college
town
is
getting
taller,
doesn't
mean
it
has
to
be
getting
uglier.
Q
In
fact,
I
think
it's
quite
an
opportunity,
especially
if
you
choose
a
firm
like
icon
five,
it's
an
opportunity
for
the
neighborhood
to
become
even
better
looking,
even
if
it's
bigger
it's,
especially
because
of
where
we
are
right
now
in
terms
of
college
time,
right,
some
of
colorado,
california's
short
and
some
of
it's
tall,
but
it's
not
of
a
similar
character.
It's
reminds
me
of
a
butterfly.
That's
you
know,
a
caterpillar
is
beautiful,
a
butterfly
is
beautiful.
Halfway
between
it
gets
and
college
town
is
halfway
between.
Q
I
do
think
even
that
signpost
building
at
college
and
dryden
will,
for
those
ogs,
the
city
of
ithaca
municipal
ogs,
familiar
with
the
goody
clancy
plan
of
2007
2008.
Remember
that
all
those
stakeholders,
the
last
time
we
really
gathered
neighbors
residents,
students
graduate
students,
commercial
tenants.
They
decided
that,
yes,
that
particular
corner,
especially
because
the
way
the
hill
slopes
up
is
an
opportunity
for
for
bigger
heights
and
for
a
signpost
building.
Q
So
I'm
not
I'm
not
afraid
of
it,
especially
if
you
know
it
comes
with
public
benefits,
the
form
that
can
help
us
keep
up
with
our
infrastructure
and
keep
our
employees
on
staff,
doing
great
work
that
they
do
make
contributions
to
affordable
housing.
Q
I
I
think
that
this
would
be
a
vast
improvement,
and
I
I
really
do
believe
that
that
sort
of
character,
the
folksy
small
town
character,
the
diamond
described,
and
that
some
of
us
still
remember
from
the
old
college
town
is
not
only
still
present
in
so
many
of
our
neighborhoods,
but
can
in
a
real
sense,
only
remain
present
in
many
of
our
other
neighborhoods.
Q
If
we
lean
into
the
urban
character
of
the
new
college
town,
that
is
to
say,
by
absorbing
the
demand
for
housing
and
other
services,
we
can
make
sure
that
our
small
scale,
but
still
walkable
livable
detached
single-family
residential
neighborhoods
stay.
That
way
by
easing
the
pressure
and
sucking
in
a
lot
of
the
demand.
A
Thanks
devonte,
I
think
steve
was
up
next
and
then
george.
B
Yeah,
I
really
can't
put
it
much
better
than
that,
and
I
think
the
the
only
thing
I
would
add
is
is
that
as
someone
who,
for
the
past
eight
years
nearly
has
been
walking
through
college
town
twice
a
day
on
his
way
to
and
from
work,
occasionally
bumping
into
donna
on
her
way
to
and
from
work
and
occasionally
bumping
in
the
ground
on
his
way
to
and
from
work.
B
Khalashan
we've
seen
khalashan
slip
into
that
messy
middle
as
we
try
to
turn
it
into
the
urban
dense
place
that
it
needs
to
be
to
alleviate
those
pressures
on
the
outlying
neighborhoods
and
to
provide
the
safe
quality
housing
that
that
students
need
in
that
area,
and
you
know
I'll
also
admit
that
I
don't
walk
through
it
as
much
now,
especially
during
the
pandemic.
B
But
when
I
do
head
up
to
greenstar,
I
am
reminded
that
that
the
growth
that
it's
seen
so
far
has
already
led
to
some
successes
and
will
continue
to
lead
to
more
successes.
The
fact
that
we
have
a
grocery
store
in
college
town,
especially
one
that's
homegrown
like
like
green
star,
like
that's
a
that's
the
success
of
the
development
we've
seen
so
far,
and
we
really
are.
B
We
have
an
opportunity
here
and
I
forget
who
said
it,
but
it
is
a
disjointed
community
right
now
the
it
would
have
been
great
if
the
development
rippled
outward
from
college
and
dryden,
but
it
it
hasn't
it.
It
jumps
up
here
it
pops
up
there
and
we
have
a
real
opportunity
to
kind
of
knit
this
together,
and
I
think
there's
some
stuff
in
here.
B
That
definitely
is
is
grounds
for
negotiation
and
there's
there's
you
know
the
the
entire
proposal
is
really,
but
there
are
the
things
that
have
been
hit
by
duck
by
cynthia
by
by
sef
and
others.
There
are
some
things
in
here
that
that
definitely
do
need
to
be
negotiated,
but
I
I'm.
I
hope
that
we
as
a
as
a
collective
here,
can
approach
this
with.
You
know
open
minds
on
how
this
can
be
really
good
for
college.
B
I'm
genuinely
excited
by
the
idea
that
we
could
have
community
spaces
throughout
college
avenue
and
that
it
doesn't
turn
into
one
long,
narrow
pedestrian
corridor
and
that
the
idea
that
we
could
have
people
in
our
communities
who
are
having
a
positive
impact
on
the
businesses,
making
it
easier
for
them
to
stay
open
when
students
aren't
in
town,
that's
really
exciting.
To
me
I
mean
there
are
business
owners.
B
I
know
in
college
town
right
now
who
had
been
ready
to
sell
their
businesses
and
when
they
saw
briazano
moving
in
across
the
street,
they
started
to
look
at
the
numbers
again
and
they
decided
to
stick
it
out
another
couple
years
and
they're
having
their
best
years,
because
there
are
professionals
with
disposable
income
working
across
the
street
people
who
need
business
services,
people
who
need
to
go
to
restaurants
for
for
food
people
who
need
to
need
to
find
a
place
to
grab
a
drink
after
work,
and
I
think
as
much
as
we
can
support
that
as
much
as
we
can.
B
A
Thanks
steve
george
is
next.
S
Thank
thanks,
steph.
I
have
a
question
for
john
novar
john.
I
heard
through
the
rumor
mill
when
you
bought
the
nines
that
you
were
gonna
keep
the
nines,
so
I'm
I'm
real
disappointed
that
you're
not
and
or
not
planning
to.
S
As
you
know,
college
town
is
pretty
much
devoid
of
townies
now.
So
what
are
your
plans
for
for
locally
owned
businesses
and
for
live
music
in
these
buildings?.
M
M
I
I
don't
have
an
answer
for
you
on
the
music
end
of
things,
but
I
like
rock
and
roll,
and
I
suppose
I
could
learn
to
like
some
other
things.
Local
businesses,
I
I
think
having
local
business
in
college
town
is
is,
is
one
of
the
ways
to
go.
We
always
go
local
when
we
can.
Our
architect
is
is
is
from
princeton,
but
any
number
of
the
people
that
that
work
under
arvind,
like
catherine
wolfe
to
my
left,
are
all
lithicans.
M
That's
that's
true
of
frank
centenelli
in
miller
engineering,
I'm
a
big
fan
of
of
doing
business
with
with
the
people
that
I
know
and
grew
up
with,
I'm
in
no
position
to
tell
you
at
this
point
in
the
game
who
we
might
bring
in
that
can
do
business
locally
in
college
town.
But
I
wouldn't
disagree
with
you.
If,
if
they're
out
there,
the
effort
should
certainly
be
made
to
try
to
get
them
involved
the.
A
Thanks
john
sure,
so
I
had
a
quick
question
just
about
next
step.
This
isn't
down
for
a
vote
tonight.
It's
just
a
presentation.
I
guess,
if
jennifer's
he's
still
here
or
lisa,
is
the
plan
now
to
take
it
to
a
public
information
session
and
get
more
input
from
the
public.
T
And
then
we'd
come
back
to
planning
committee
with
the
comments.
Okay,.
A
I
mean
I
I
what
I'm
hearing
tonight,
I
think,
there's
the
mixed
levels
of
support,
but
in
general
I'm
guessing
that
everybody's
in
favor
of
soliciting
more
public
input
on
the
presentation
that
we've
been
given
tonight.
So
I
think
if
we
can
move
ahead
with
that
and
then
we'll
be
revisiting
this
again
down
the
line
and-
and
once
again
I
want
to
thank
the
project
team
for
coming
tonight
and
doing
the
presentation-
I
thought
it
was
a.
It
was
a
really
good
discussion
and
we'll
be
having
more
discussions
in
the
future.
K
Jennifer
or
lisa
do
we
want
to
talk
about
dates
now
or
you'll
just
handle
that
internally.
F
We're
going
to
talk
about
tomorrow,
I
think
internally
and
we'll
get
back
to
you.
Yeah.
A
So
I
believe
next
up
is
the
as
a
update
on
the
energy
code
supplement,
the
green
building
policy
and
nick
is
here,
and
apologies
nick
we're
running
a
little
late.
So
I
appreciate
you
waiting
through
that.
U
No
worries,
it's
part
of
the
game.
Can
you
hear
me?
Okay,
yep
you're,
just
fine
great
hello,
everyone
glad
to
see
your
faces,
if
not
the
rest
of
your
body
better
than
nothing
so
yeah.
The
point
of
tonight
is
really
just
to
mainly
tee
up
a
broader
discussion
for
next
month's
meeting
when
we'll
bring
the
final
draft
of
the
energy
code
supplement.
U
So
we
can
jump
right
in
in
that
december
discussion.
So,
in
the
past
months
we've
been
codifying
the
energy
code
supplement.
You'll,
remember
the
last
version
that
you
saw
was
a
sort
of
plain
english
version
from
august
2019
and
we're
putting
that
into
more
code
language,
we're
working
with
the
attorney's
office
in
the
town
of
ithaca.
U
So
going
down
to
the
second
section
there,
there's
gonna
be
three
documents
that
work
together
for
this.
The
ordinance
is
gonna,
be
the
part
that
lives
in
city
code
and
it
it's
the
it'll,
be
in
chapter
146
with
building
building
permits
and
it's
the
enabling
legislation.
But
it
will
point
to
the
ithaca
energy
code
supplement
document
for
the
bulk
of
the
regulations.
U
The
energy
code
supplement
is
the
major
one.
That's
what
you've
seen
before
and
then
the
reference
manual
would
be
there's
some
parts
of
the
plain
language
version
which
were
not
needed:
they're
not
related
to
actual
regulations,
they're,
more
informational.
Those
were
point
out,
but
didn't
want
to
lose
so
we're
putting
those
into
this
reference
manual,
which
will
help
both
developers
and
code
enforcement
staff
sort
of
understand
and
implement
the
code.
So
things
like
background
information
and
code
interpretations,
so
those
those
three
documents
will
work
together.
U
The
code
supplement
applies
to
all
new
construction,
I'm
moving
down
to
the
next
paragraph
here,
all
new
construction,
most
additions
and
major
renovations,
and
you
remember,
there's
two
different
ways
to
comply
through
the
easy
path
or
what
we're
going
to
also
be
calling
the
prescriptive
path
or
which
is
a
point-based
system
or
the
whole
building
path,
which
has
more
flexibility.
U
U
The
figure
that
we're
discussing
now
is
a
three
month
craze
period.
So
if
this
were
adopted
one
day,
any
projects
coming
in
for
a
building
permit
three
months
after
that
would
be
subject
to
it.
But
if
they
came
in
after
two
months
they
would
not
be
subject
if
that
three
month,
grace
period
is
what
we
go
with,
and
the
trigger
point
is
that
application
for
a
building
permit.
U
So
that's
that's
the
moment.
When
we
come
into
city
hall,
you
will
be
have
to
start
showing
that
you're
planning
on
complying
with
the
policy
application
for
building
permits,
that's
for
large
or
small
projects.
That's
early
enough
in
the
project
that
we
can
catch
them
and
and
they'll
have
enough
time
to
revise
the
design
accordingly,.
U
The
town
is
still
discussing
if
they're
going
to
go
with
that
exact
same
trigger
point
or
not,
but
fyi,
I'm
going
to
jump
past.
The
timeline
section
come
back
to
it
and
just
quickly
highlight
one
or
two
things
from
the
tables.
So
I'm
on
the
commercial
table
on
page
three
here
so
we
did
add,
point
ee4
for
commercial
cooking.
So
that's
electrification
for
commercial
cooking
equipment,
that's
a
new
one
and
another
new
one.
Since
the
last
draft
in
the
august,
8th
2019
draft
is
toward
the
bottom
of
the
table.
U
And
then
coming
back
to
timeline,
which
is
the
bottom
of
page
two
sorry
so,
as
I
mentioned,
we'll
come
back
with
the
final
draft,
sorry
for
the
draft
and
we'll
be
looking
to
circulate
that
for
public
comment,
we'll
be
coming
back
next
month
with
that
circulate
and
do
public
outreach
for
a
month
and
then
the
what
we're
hoping
is
to
have
public
comment
through
january
20th,
which
is
the
next
pedc
meeting,
have
a
public
hearing
there
to
close
out
the
public
comment,
section
revise
as
needed
and
then
bring
the
final
draft
back
in
february
to
this
committee.
U
So
that's
the
current
timeline
we're
working
with.
I
thought
prepared
so
happy
to
hear
any
comments
or
answering
questions.
E
Cynthia,
thank
you
thank
you
for
all
of
this
we've
been
working
on
this
for
such
a
long
time.
It's
really
hard
for
me
to
keep
track
of
all
the
pieces.
So
I
apologize
so
when
you
put
out
the
the
package
for
a
public
comment.
Are
you
circulating
the
entire
thing
together
because
it
obviously
makes
more
sense
if
you
have
all
the
pieces
together,
you
had
said
that
the
you
had
a
version
that
was
circulated
in
august
2019.
E
U
Yeah,
so
the
table
is
really
just
a
summary
just
to
as
a
kind
of
refresher
on
what
are
the
different
points
that
are
involved
in
the
easy
path
system.
The
code
document's
really
much
more
extensive.
It's
got
those
tables
in
there
as
sort
of
a
sort
of
a
summary,
but
there's
obviously
a
lot
of
background
info,
so
that
in
entirety
makes
up
the
energy
code
supplement.
So,
yes,
that'll
be
the
main
piece
for
circulation.
U
I
don't
want
to
answer
this
definitively.
I
don't
know
if
this
is
typical
to
to
put
out
for
public
comment
the
ordinance,
but
I
think
we
are
going
to
and
again
the
ordinance
is
just
actually
enabling
peace,
but
it's
still
right
now
it's
about
10
pages,
so
it
is
still
somewhat
lengthy,
yeah.
So
at
least
those
two
things
I
don't
know
if
the
resource
document
will
be
ready
for
distribution
next
month,
but
that's
also
really
just
an
informational
piece.
It's
not
there's
no
requirements
in
there.
E
Right
so
I
think
for
me
personally,
I'm
I
want
to
see
actual
actually
the
legislation,
not
the
summary
of
the
legislation,
and
that
I
think,
is
appropriately
what
people
should
be
commenting
on
and
so
making
sure
that
both
the
ordinance
and
the
the
code
itself
is
complete
and
allowed
for
circulation
and
comment.
That's
really
what
we
want
to
be
looking
at
rather
than
the
summary.
So
I'm.
O
E
And
I
don't
recall
you
know
if
there's
a
grievance
procedure,
if
somebody
is
trying
to
put
on
an
addition,
you
know
again
I'm
going
to
think
about
the
the
small
family
homeowner
trying
to
put
on
an
addition.
They,
for
some
reason,
can't
get
to
six.
You
know:
is
there
a
process
that
they
can?
Who
do
they
go?
To
the
other
question
I
have
and
again
I
apologize
because
I
I've
probably
forgotten
you've
probably
addressed
this
already.
U
Sure
so,
to
your
first
point,
yeah
we'll
bring
the
complete
documents.
It
won't
be
a
summary.
U
Really
just
a
refresher,
so
it's
the
briefest
summary
possible,
basically
we'll
bring
the
whole
thing.
Thank
you
grievance
process.
Yeah.
We
made
some
progress
with
that,
so
any
applicants
can
claim
undue
hardship
and
then
the
planning
department
could
handle
that
at
a
staff
level
could
approve
that
or
not
at
a
staff
level.
If
the
developer
doesn't
like
the
answer,
they
can
appeal
it
to
the
building
code
board
of
appeals.
U
That
would
be
the
the
body
that
deals
with
that.
Thank
you,
okay,
and
you
know
that
being
said,
this
law
was
created
to
be
fairly
simple
to
understand
and
to
use
so
we
don't
anticipate
that
a
lot
of
projects
will
need
that,
but
we
obviously
need
a
clear
appeals
process
and
that's
what
I
just
laid
out
and
then
to
your
question
about
legislative
authority.
The
short
answer
is
yes,
we
can
do
it.
We
can
have
a
more
restrictive
than
state
code.
U
U
If
I
understand
it
from
talking
with
rob
up
in
the
code
department,
sorry
to
cut
you
off,
it
doesn't
sound
like
there's
a
lot
of
chance
that
they
would
deny
it's
more
of
after
we
adopted.
We
would
inform
them,
and
we
have
talked
with
the
department
of
state
about
right.
E
So
I
recall
that
we
we
tried
to
establish
legislation
where
plumbing
had
to
be
installed
in
a
particular
way
in
order
to
reduce
the
amount
of
off-gassing
that
was
happening
with
the
sewer
system.
It
was
you
know
what
everyone
here
said.
This
is
what
we
need
to
do
here.
They
went
to
new
york
state
to
ask
the
for
the
approval
to
allow
us
to
include
that
in
our
requirements
and
new
york
state
said
no.
I
U
May
respond
to
that
yeah
yeah,
so
one
important
distinction
is
we
made
a
point
of
not
touching
the
building
code
or
the
plumbing
code,
so
this
is
just
the
energy
code
in
my
understanding.
So
at
some
point
early
on,
we
were
talking
about
water
efficiency
requirements.
U
Those
ultimately
fell
out
one
because
they
didn't
they
weren't
far
enough
about
to
make
a
huge
difference
above
the
state
code
and
two
they
would
have.
They
would
have
required
changing
the
building
code
and
we
heard
from
the
code
division.
Let's
not
do
that.
That's
going
to
be
a
lot
heavier
lift.
I.
E
See
I
see
thank
you
for
that
clarification.
That's
that's
good
to
know.
Thank
you.
Then.
I
only
had
one
question
really
with
regards
to
the
table
on
page
three
re1
renewable
energy
systems.
It
says
up
to
three
points
for
onsite
or
off-site
renewable
electric
systems.
E
So
let's
say,
for
example,
I
I
say:
well,
I'm
just
going
to
purchase
my
energy
from
this
off-site
system.
It's
not
actually
a
structural
addition
to
to
the
project
and
any
future
user
could
just
change
the
source
of
their
electricity
from
that
that
off-site
renewable
electric
system.
How
do
you
ensure
that
that
obligation
is
going
to
continue
for
the
life
of
the
building
in
order
to
justify
the
one
to
three
points.
U
Thank
you
for
that.
It's
a
good
question
and
this
candidly
is
one
of
the
most
difficult
sections
of
the
code
to
formalize
and,
and
we
are
still
working
on
it,
it's
extremely
difficult
to
to
meet
the
direction.
The
strong
direction,
we've
gotten
from
all
the
folks
in
the
city
and
the
town
of
this
year
about
really
wanting
to
encourage
and
promote
off-site
solar.
U
What
we
have
in
place
right
now
requires
that,
so
you,
I
think
what
you're
referring
to
is
basically
community
seller,
where
you
have
the
option
like
as
a
homeowner,
you
can
buy
into
it
and
a
month
later
opt
out.
We
obviously
want
to
avoid
that,
so
we're
asking
for
a
long-term
contract.
U
We
are
asking
for
the
energy
from
the
renewable
energy
project
to
be
allocated
specifically
to
the
building
project
for
the
for
the
lifetime
of
the
building
and
we're
asking
for
them
to
obtain
the
renewable
energy
credits,
which
is
the
method
that
we
have.
This
is
like
by
federal
regulation
like
the
green
e-certified
wrecks
are
like
certified
renewable
energy
credits,
so
you
can't
double
count.
We're
asking
for
that.
E
A
Any
other
questions
or
comments
I
mean
we
are
going
to
have
many
many
more
conversations
about
this
when
it
comes
back
to
council
all
right
well,
thank
you
nick
for
that
update,
really
appreciate
it.
I
appreciate
all
the
work
that
you've
been
doing
on
this
and
I
look
forward
to
continuing
conversations.
U
A
Bye
now
and
next
up
is
this-
is
a
resolution
to
approve
entering
into
an
agreement
with
cycle
cny
for
mountain
bike
trails
in
cass
park,
and
I
believe
that
tim,
oh
yeah,
there
he
is
tim
and
his
son
connor.
C
A
Tim,
you
just
emailed.
You
said
that
the
seeker
form-
I
guess
that
didn't
make
it
into
the
agenda
packet,
but
I'm
assuming
this
is
a
negative
declaration.
V
A
So
why
don't?
Why
don't
we
go
ahead
and
we
can
move
the
lead
agency
into
neg
deck.
So
look
for
a
motion
on
common
council
declaring
itself
lead
agency
to
conduct
environmental
review
moves
by
steve,
like
by
cynthia
any
discussion.
A
A
So
then
we
have
the
resolution
itself.
I
don't
know
tim.
Do
you
want
to
maybe
just
say
a
little
bit
about
this
and
like
what
sort
of
motivate
this
and
why
this
change
is
being
proposed.
V
Yeah
and
so
again,
I'll,
introduce
connor
log
and
then
also
joining
us
is
donald
federer
who's.
V
The
president
of
the
cycle,
cny
board,
they're
very
active
out
in
shendegan,
hollow
state
forest
and
connor's
been
riding
around
out
there
and
a
few
other
places
around
the
county,
and
I
think
he
kind
of
got
inspired
with
the
idea
of
being
nice
to
have
some
trails
that
were
kind
of
learner
trails
and
introductory
things
that
were
here
in
the
city
a
little
easier
to
get
to
and
as
he
became
a
member
of
cycle
cny
and
connected
with
donal.
It
looked
like
donal
and
cycle.
V
Cny
were
interested
in
supporting
this
and
they
have
a
volunteer
group
that
can
help
build
and
maintain
trails.
That's
what
they
do
out
at
shendegan.
I
have
20
miles
out
there
and
I've
been
doing
it
for
15
some
odd
years,
and
it
seemed
like
an
opportunity
to
partner
here
and
see
if
there
was
an
opportunity
to
get
this
done.
V
So
we
modeled
an
agreement
off
of
a
little
bit
of
what
they've
got
with
the
department
of
environmental
conservation
out
in
shendegan
and
brought
it
to
the
board
of
public
works
for
first
discussion,
there's
a
fair
amount
of
support
at
the
board
and
they
ultimately
recommended
approving
it.
There
was
a
little
bit
of
conversation
just
about.
I
think
there
are
a
couple
of
wet
areas
that
the
board
wanted
to
make
sure
would
be
addressed
properly.
V
They
were
a
little
worried
about
city
risk
and
just
making
sure
that
there
was
either
some
introductory
signs
or
something
that
would
just
be
clear
that
you
know
people
do
need
to
pay
attention
or
you
know,
use
their
best
judgment
when
riding
around,
but
I
don't
think
the
intention
is
to
do
anything
particularly
crazy,
so
that's
kind
of
where
we
are
and
that's
where
we
got
to
we've-
had
a
little
bit
of
back
and
forth
with
donald
and
our
legal
office
about
insurance
requirements,
and
I
can
talk
more
about
those
in
a
minute.
V
But
I
guess
I'd
want
to
make
sure
that
conor
and
donald
have
an
opportunity
to
add
to
anything
that
I
just
said.
W
W
You
know,
kids,
on
balance,
bikes
to
really
try
it
out
all
the
way
up
to
you
know
people
my
age
who
are
building
their
skills
and
getting
into
the
sport,
which
is
what
we
want
and
that's
what
cycle
cny
is
working
on
so
this
area,
it's
nothing
crazy,
it'll,
it's
very
flat!
The
grade
is
not
yeah,
it's
very
flat,
so
there's
nothing
really
steep
there.
That
could
be
an
issue.
W
We've
been
planning
on
having
a
couple
features
or
like
writable
features
that
people
can
build
their
skills
on,
but
of
course,
there'll
be
a
ride
around
and
they'll
be
very
simple
for
learning.
Yeah
donald.
Do
you
have
anything
to
say
about
that
donald?
I
think
you're,
muted.
C
G
Yep,
so
the
features
connor's
talking
about
are
simple,
drops
and
bump
trails,
or
basically
have
little
humps
that
you
ride
over
and
it
just
goes.
Your
bike
goes
up
and
down
how
the
drop
would
be
like
one
foot,
maybe
one
and
a
half
and
there'd
be
a
ride
around
for
people
that
don't
want
to
drop
their
bike
off
of
it.
It's
not
the
kind
of
drop
you
see
on
the
rampage
tv
or
where
they're
going
100
feet
or
anything
like
that.
A
Okay,
are
there
any,
I
guess,
comments
or
questions
about
this
and
I'll
just
say
briefly.
Before
we
talk,
we
did.
We
did
cynthia
forwarded
a
few
emails
before
the
meeting.
One
was
from
gene
grace
and
also
rick
manning
from
friends
of
stewart
park
and
monica
roth,
who
chairs
the
the
pruner
commission
and
it
seems
like
there's.
It
sounds
like
there's
sort
of
general
support
for
this,
but
there
might
be
some
parties
that
still
need
to
be
talked
to.
A
I
mean
gene
especially
was
saying
that
she,
she
didn't
really
know
anything
about
this,
and
this
is
the
city
forester
jean
grace,
and
she
would
want
to
be
consulted
if
there's
any
impact
of
vegetation-
and
she
had
mentioned
that.
There's
some
issues
there,
with
like
personality
and
whatnot
and
she's,
assuming
she's,
going
to
be
pulled
into.
A
At
some
point,
so
it'd
probably
be
good
to
talk
to
talk
to
those
parties.
I
don't
know
if
there's
like,
if
this
is
time
sensitive,
if
we
slow
this
down
for
just
like
one
more
month,
just
to
give
an
opportunity
for
everybody
to
get
up
to
speed
on
it.
Is
that
is
that
possible,
or
is
there
some
urgency
to
this.
W
There's
no
okay,
I'm
an
impatient
child
and
would
love
to
move
forward
with
this,
because
it's
something
I'm
passionate
about.
But
of
course,
if
people
have
no
idea
this
is
happening.
We
want
it
to
get
spread
around,
especially
jean
grace,
so
it's
totally
fine
to
table
this
for
now.
Obviously
I
would
be
excited
if
we
could
move
through
and
talk
about
all
the
fun
details
that
I'm
into
but
yeah.
It's
not
a
big
deal
and.
F
Jim
delterio
from
cass
park
is
here
also,
and
I
didn't
know
if
he
had
anything
to
add
to
this.
I
didn't
mean
to
interrupt
you,
but
no.
A
C
R
Not
not
a
whole
lot.
I
I
think
the
area
that
we're
discussing
is
a
you
know,
one
of
the
few
areas
in
cass
park
that
is
unused
and
does
not
currently
have
a
plan
for
so,
and
this
would
be
an
opportunity
to
provide
an
activity-
that's
not
available
elsewhere
in
the
city,
so
I
think
there's
definitely
a
lot
of
benefits.
I
do
you
know
this
is
a
difficult
time
to
try
to
welcome
in
any
new
projects
or
initiatives.
R
So
I
I
do
have
some
concerns
as
far
as
you
know,
just
kind
of
the
unforeseen
as
to
what
the
added
responsibilities
for
cast
staff
along
with
I'm
sure
there
will
be.
You
know,
need
for
gene
and
her
crew
to
be
involved
as
well
for
different
tree
removal
aspects
and
things
along
those
lines,
and
you
know,
as
far
as
making
sure
that
it's
used
the
way
that
we're
going
in
intending
it
for
it
to
be
used.
R
Then
there's
not
you
know
a
tremendous
amount
of
garbage,
that's
left
or
that
it's
a
it's
not
in
a
visible
area
so
and
there
will
be
very
little
supervision
or
opportunity
to
supervise.
R
So
I'm
sure
we
will
be
going
in
to
kind
of
check
the
area
and
pick
up
garbage
and
doing
things
along
those
lines,
but
I'm
anticipating
that
there
will
be
some
responsibilities
that
come
our
way
that
that
are
kind
of
unforeseen.
At
this
point,
so
that's
always,
you
know
difficult
to
add
on,
but
I
think
it's
a
good
project
and
hopefully
we
can
work
through
the
challenges
that
would
present
themselves.
G
Yes,
I
just
want
to
say
that
gene's
husband,
jules
is
on
our
board
of
directors
for
cycle
cny,
so
we
can
talk
to.
We
can
get
together
between
pretty
easily.
I
think
talk
to
her
about
it.
V
A
Sounds
like
we
have
a
plan
then
so
I
just
yeah
connecting
with
them
and
then
we'll
come
back
to
this
next
month
sounds
like
okay.
Thank
you
for
bringing
this
forward.
I
think
it's
a
great
idea,
I'm
not
a
mountain
biker,
but
I
do
a
lot
of
hiking
in
shenzhen
and
I'm
I'm
very
impressed
with
the
the
trail
system
out
there.
A
V
So
seth
just
to
clarify
we'll
connect
with
gene,
and
we
talked
to
her
a
little
bit
but
I'll
circle
back
around
with
her
is
there's
anything
you
wanted
us
to
do
with
pruner
formally
or
it
sounds
like
monica
kind
of
got
a
hold
of
things.
That
way,
I
wasn't
really
sure
what
their
status
is.
So
we
haven't
really
talked
with
her
or
the
committee
really.
A
F
Yeah
it
feels
like
it
should
be
circulated
to
a
little
bit
of
a
wider
audience.
I
I
mean
I
didn't
know
about
this
till
you
know
until
I
saw
it
was
on
the
agenda
and
then
I
did
a
little
more
poking
around,
but
it
does
seem
like
we
might
want
to
just
skip
this
out
to
a
little
bit
of
a
wider
audience.
A
F
V
A
G
A
Okay,
so
next
up
we
have
our
favorite
topic
dogs
on
the
comments.
So
this
has
been
circulated
and
sounds
like
we've
received
mostly
favorable
commentary,
and
we
have
there's
a
memo
from
jennifer
and
also
a
proposed
change.
The
ordinance
and
I
did
see
there
was
some
back
and
forth
by
email,
some
suggestions
for
like
more
specific
language
about
leashes
and
cleaning
up
waste.
I
guess
jennifer,
you
would
send
an
email
in
which
you
had
sort
of
proposed.
That
list.
T
You
do
you
want
me
to
read
out
the
additional,
so
the
what
I
had
sent
around
is
actually
what
was
discussed
the
last
time.
This
came
up
with
the
commons
advisory
board.
They
came
up
with
a
list
of
things
that
they
thought
could
be
added
to
the
ordinance.
So
it's
number
one
as
dogs
will
be
leashed
at
all
time.
Number
two
dogs
will
be
limited
to
no
more
than
two
per
person
number
three
handheld
leashes
will
be
no
longer
than
six
feet.
T
Number
four
tethering
a
dog
to
a
stationary
object
will
not
be
permitted
and
number
five.
No
person
will
allow
a
dog
in
his
or
her
custody
to
defecate
on
primary
or
secondary
comments
without
immediately
removing
said
waste
and
then
donna
had
also.
There
was
another
one
that
I
thought
would
be
good
to
add,
which
is
that
at
no
time
yeah
I'm
trying
to
find
where
it
was,
would
the
dogs
be
allowed?
Oh,
that
dogs
may
not
enter
any
planter
for
any
reason.
T
D
Also
a
reference
to
urination
somewhere
in
the
existing
code
that
I
think
we
should,
unless
I
think,
it's
crazy
to
be
referring
to
defecation.
T
Go
very
far:
no,
it
was
home,
we
we,
I
don't
know
if
it
came
here
when
the
last
time,
but
we
did
talk
about
it
with
dpw
staff
too,
and
I
think
there
was
a
lot
of
concerns
about
how
often
it
would
need
to
be
cleaned,
and
you
know.
T
H
A
F
It's
hard
to
track,
if
you
know
the
urination
aspect
of
it.
Definitely
we've
had
problems
in
the
planters.
C
A
I
think
it's
good
to
mention
that
I
appreciate
that
change
donna.
So
so,
oh
cynthia.
E
Question,
though,
I
mean
it's
more
damaging
to
have
waste
on
the
bricks
than
in
a
planted
area.
If,
if
you
really
want
it
to
happen
anywhere,
presuming
as
required
somebody's
going
to
clean
it
up,
you
would
prefer
to
have
it
in
a
planted
area
than
on
the
bricks.
So
I'm
not
quite
sure
why
we
want
to
do
that
if
we
already
have
the
requirement
that
people
have
to
clean
it
up,
because.
F
F
Oh
and
it's
also,
the
dogs
get
in
the
planters
and
they
rip
up
the
plants,
and
we've
spent
a
great
deal
of
time
and
money
on
those
planters
on
getting
them.
You
know
they
are
part
of
the
overall
design
and
to
now
think
that
dogs
will
be
let
in
there.
It's.
I
don't
think,
that's
where
we
want
to
go.
E
F
F
People
and
resources
to
keep
those
planters
in
good
shape.
F
E
C
D
F
T
Read
it's
not
what
I
read,
but
I
can
the
what
I
read
was
what
had
come
out
of
the
comments
advisory
board,
but
I
can
change
if
that
number,
five
to
the
language
that
you
had,
which
includes.
Okay,.
D
And
I
like
I
like
that
the
length
of
the
leash
is
specified.
You
know
we've
talked
about
this
before
and
I
kind
of
rummaged
around
in
the
code
and
I
couldn't
find
any
definition
for
adequate
leash.
It's
in.
F
Yeah
because
we
talked
about
that
when
we
allowed
the
dogs
in
stuart
park
on
the
waterfront
trail,
the
retractable
leases
had
to
be
maximum
of
six
feet
long,
but
maybe
it
didn't
make
it,
but
so
let's
add
it
here:
yeah
couldn't
do
any
harm.
Okay,.
A
T
Can
I
ask
one
more
question?
Sorry,
the
other
question
was
whether
or
not
we
keep
the
subsequent
sections
which
are
we're
pretty,
which
were
really
towards
dogs,
but
it
was,
it
says,
animals
and
about
permits
and
allowing
animal.
You
know
reasons
for
offering
a
permit
to
have
an
animal
on
the
commons.
D
Well,
I
mean
is
that
from
the
odd
chance,
somebody's
going
to
walk
their
pet
goat
down
the
commons.
T
G
B
You
bring
up
a
good,
a
good
question,
though,.
E
H
A
A
D
A
A
T
A
I
A
Jennifer
and
and
that
will
go
to
the
next
common
council
meeting.
F
G
F
H
On
and
near
the
common,
and
so
there
will
be
people
with
dogs,
not
just
who
don't
read
our
signs
but
well
there.
F
Already,
are
I
mean,
do
you
see
a
lot
more
people
with
dogs
around
the
commons
city
center
allows
them
and
they
have
a
grooming
station
and
yeah.
So.
A
I
E
A
So
is
there
a
motion
on
the
minutes,
as
amended
by
cynthia
moved
by
donna
seconded
by
all
in
favor
of
approving
the
minutes,
and
that
carries
unanimously
motion
to
adjourn
steve
seconded
by
everyone?
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Everybody.