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A
B
He's
with
remlin.
C
Ahead,
okay,
so
welcome
to
the
december
meeting
of
the
planning
and
economic
development
committee,
I
think
we're
gonna
go
ahead
and
get
started.
We
did
have
several
people
who
contacted
us.
I'm
just
speak
during
public
comment
at
the
moment.
We're
not
seeing
those
people
in
the
waiting
room
and
it's
a
little
unclear
whether
that
is
just
that,
maybe
due
to
some
technical
difficulties
that
we're
having
getting
people
to
speak
during
public
comment.
Lisa,
you
still
don't
see
anyone
in
the
waiting
room.
C
No,
so
so
what
I
can
say
if
there
are
people
out
there
who
wish
to
speak
but
are
unable
to
speak
tonight
because
they
haven't
gotten
the
information
or
they
can't
get
into
the
waiting
room.
You
know
we
will
be
doing
looking
at
the
green
building
policy
in
january
and
I
would
absolutely
welcome
people
to
come
and
speak
at
that
meeting
if,
for
whatever
reason,
you're
unable
to
speak
tonight.
C
So
with
that
said,
we'll
get
started.
We
had
did
have
two
requested
changes
to
the
agenda.
One
was
to
move
up
the
report
from
brian
mccracken,
the
city's
historic
preservation,
planner
and
then
the
second
was
to
move
up.
The
watershed
rules
and
regulations,
so
I
guess
we
could
go
ahead
and
get
started
brian.
Do
you
want
to
do
your
report
first
and
then
maybe
we'll
we'll
move
to
roxy
for
the
watershed
rules.
D
Absolutely
thank
you
seth,
so
I'm
here
tonight
to
present
information
on
a
proposed
shared
service
between
the
town
and
city
of
ithaca.
D
Again,
this
is
still
just
a
work
in
progress,
but
the
basic
outline
is
the
town
of
ithaca
and
their
2014
adopted
comprehensive
plan
identified
the
goal
of
creating
their
own
landmarks
ordinance
to
protect
some
of
their
historic
resources
and
in
investigating
opportunities
to
to
do
this
work.
They
contacted
me
to
ask
about
what
the
city
of
ithaca
does
and
you
know
would
I
be
willing
to
help
them
explore
opportunities.
D
These
conversations
led
to
the
idea
of
creating
a
combined
landmarks,
ordinance
and
and
shared
staffing
and
a
combined
ithaca
landmarks
preservation
commission
that
would
review
projects
in
both
the
city
and
town
so,
but
but
establishing
something
like
that
would
create
a
lot
of
work.
Additional
work,
for
you
know,
city
staff,
who
would
be
responsible
or
could
be
responsible
for
implementing
it.
D
So
in
their
2021
budget,
the
town
of
ithaca
has
allocated
funds
to
help
cover
a
portion
of
my
time
to
investigate
this
opportunity
further,
and
you
know,
with
input
from
both
municipalities.
If
the
town
and
the
city
feel
it
is
mutually
beneficial,
I
would
be
responsible
for
implementing
the
the
shared
service.
The
memo
that
I
circulated
has
some
of
the
tasks
that
I
I
would
be
working
on
as
part
of
this.
C
All
right
are
there
any
comments
or
questions
for
brian
see,
laura.
E
Yeah,
thank
you,
seth
and
thank
you
brian
for
sharing
this
memo.
I
think
this
could
be
a
very
good
opportunity
for
shared
services
and
I'm
glad
to
see
that
the
mou
is
being
developed.
It's
currently
under
review
by
the
city
attorney's
office,
and
it
looks
like
we
will
take
this
up
at
the
january
pedc
meeting
at
this
point.
It
looks
like
a
very
good
partnership.
We
have
other
partnerships
with
the
town
and
this
seems
like
another
good
opportunity.
So
thank
you
for
bringing
this
forward
great.
C
F
G
Yeah
as
the
liaison
to
the
ilpc,
I
think
this
is
a
great
idea.
I
liked
it.
I
think
it
was
over
a
year
ago
when
it
was
first
brought
up,
and
so
I
think,
it'd
be
a
terrific
opportunity
for
shared
service
and
to
help
promote
historic
preservation
in
the
broader
community.
So
I
look
forward
to
hearing
more
about
it
and
to
supporting
it
fully
later.
D
D
H
C
Is
roxy
roxy's
here
yes
he's
here,
so
we
have
a
memo
and
a
proposed
resolution
that
cynthia
sent
us
and
and
also
roxy,
just
to
spell
out
this
proposal
we're
bringing
forward
for
trying
to
convince
the
state
to
set
up
new
watershed
rules
and
regulations
roxy,
I
thought
you
did
a
great
job
of
that
memo
really
spells
out.
The
history
of
this
seems
like
it's.
Some
of.
C
At
this
point,
something
you've
been
working
on
for
a
long
time.
I
don't
know
if
other
folks
got
a
chance
to
look
at
the
memo
or
if
you
have
questions
for
for
roxy,
she's,
very
kind
to
come
here
tonight
to
answer
any
questions
that
people
may
have
or
cynthia.
If
you
want
to
say
anything
since
you're,
the
the
member
who
brought
this
forward.
H
Yes,
I
think
this
is
a
tremendous
opportunity
of
support
to
basically
endorse
a
process
that
cayuga
county
and
the
municipalities
in
the
lake
watershed
have
undertaken
to
to
update
their
watershed
rules
and
regulations,
actually
I'll.
Let
roxy
talk
a
little
bit
about
this
history
and
the
process
and
and
where
we
are
now
and
what
what
we
as
a
city,
hope
to
do
in
the
future.
J
Thanks
for
giving
us
time
on
the
agenda
tonight
for
this,
I
really
appreciate
that
so
yeah.
This
predates
me
quite
a
bit
a
hundred
years
or
so
so.
Watershed
rules
and
regulations
were
were
created
as
a
way
to
protect
drinking
water,
the
source
of
drinking
water
in
the
absence
of
any
other
kind
of
agency
or
regulatory
body,
and
so
everything
every
every
water
purveyor
that
was
that
came
into
business
through
the
40s
or
50s
or
so
created
these
and
and
have
them
on
the
books.
But,
as
you
can
imagine,
they're
really
dated.
J
J
You
might
remember
they.
They
actually
have
quite
a
history
of
harmful
algal
blooms
and
algae
blooms
in
alaska
lake,
and
they
have
actually
measured
the
toxin,
the
microcystin
toxin
in
their
drinking
water,
not
at
a
level
that
would
impact
health.
But
the
fact
that
it
was
measurable
was
a
first
in
new
york
state
and
and
got
everyone
pretty
concerned
about
the
issue.
J
Other
areas
have
used
watershed
rules
and
rags
or
updated
them
in
the
late
90s
when
they
were
doing
filtration
avoidance
waivers.
So
they
didn't
want
to
build
a
lot
of
new
water
treatment.
Facilities
in
new
york,
city
and
syracuse
have
both
done
that
for
the
new
york
city
for
their
catskills
and
other
upstate
water
sources
and
new
york
city.
J
I'm
sorry
syracuse
for
skinny
atlas
lake,
so
it
has
happened,
but
it's
been
infrequent
in
the
last
few
decades,
and
so
there
there
is
a
sense
that
there'll
be
some
resistance
to
go
ahead
and
promulgate
these
at
the
state
level
and
put
them
into
law,
and
so
kuga
county
has
spent
three
years
working
with
all
of
the
stakeholder
audiences
and
getting
a
lot
of
buy-in,
but
they
would
like
support
supporting
resolutions
for
the
process
to
send,
along
with
their
packet
to
the
state.
J
They
don't
have
watershed,
rules
and
regulations,
but
again
it's
a
big
task
for
them,
so
we're
all
we've
all
been
looking
to
wasco,
as
as
our
our
trailblazer
and
they've
set
up
such
a
good
process
to
follow
and
and
so
we're
just
looking
to
support
them
tonight
and
the
work
they've
done
and
let
the
state
know
that
we
support
this
process.
C
Great,
thank
you.
Roxy,
laura.
E
Yeah,
thank
you
roxy
for
the
the
memo
and
for
this
description,
can
you
just
say
a
couple
words
about
the
basis
for
the
resistance
that
was
experienced
in
the
past
and
why
there
was
no
new
york
state
support
and
what's
your
best
sense
of
how
can
we
anticipate
support
from
the
state
going
forward.
J
I
think
it
was
originally
police
officers
simply
to
protect
their
source
water
reservoirs
up
there,
because
that
was
far
cheaper,
but
it's
not
an
easy
task,
and
so
not
many
people
have
tried
to
do
it,
and
most
people
have
have
the
sense
that
the
agencies
in
a
place
are
adequate,
but
haves
have
changed.
The
have
changed
the
equation
for
people.
J
J
It
also
has
to
go
through
review
of
the
ag
markets
and
there
is
some
push
back
there
because
most
of
our
regulations
don't
actually
address
farm
practices
and
there's
good
reasons
for
that.
But
I
think
we
are
reaching
a
point
where
the
only
thing
we
have
left
that
we
aren't
addressing
is
non-point
source
pollution
inputs
and
farmland
is
the
biggest
acreage
in
many
of
our
watersheds,
and
so
even
if
any
one
particular
farm
isn't
creating
a
lot
of
pollution
by
ignoring
all
of
the
farms.
J
C
C
Is
there
a
motion
moved
by
cynthia
a
second
by
laura
any
further
discussion,
so
this
would
go
to
the
january
meeting
of
common
council
all
in
favor
and
that
carries
unanimously.
Thank
you
both
to
cynthia
and
roxy
for
bringing
this
forward.
H
Thank
you
and
just
some
information
for
those
who
would
like
to
learn
more
steve.
Lynch
who's,
the
director
of
planning
for
cuyuca
county,
will
be
attending
monday's
tompkins
county
water
resource
committee
meeting
to
talk
about
the
process
that
they've
undertaken
with
regards
to
the
rules
and
rags
and
people
are
available
to
able
to
attend
at
4
15..
C
Okay,
so
it
does
turn
out
that
we
did
have
a
technical
problem
with
sending
out
the
zoom
information
for
tonight's
meeting.
For
the
public
comment,
so
I
know
dan
cogan
is
our
chief
of
staff
is
really
sending
that
information.
Now,
so,
if
you're
watching
at
home-
and
you
originally
signed
up
to
speak
during
the
public
comment,
we
you
should
be
getting
a
link
to
your
email.
C
So
if
you,
if
you
follow
that
link,
you
will
be
able
to
sign
up.
I
I
hope-
and
I
apologize
for
this-
that
you
know
we
had
intended
to
send
this
out
earlier,
but
I
guess
it
didn't
happen,
so
we're
trying
to
do
it
right
now.
I
don't
know
lisa.
Is
there
anyone
in
the
room.
B
F
I
have
the
list.
I
have
one
name
that
is
not
on
my
list.
E
As
we're
working
this
out,
would
it
be
helpful
if
we,
I
know
we
usually
do
public
comment
first,
but
would
it
be
helpful
to
have
the
public
hearing.
C
This
is
yeah
the
green
street
garage
yeah.
Why
don't
we
go
ahead
and
do
that?
I
just
want
to
move
the
public
hearing
moved
by
laura
for
a
second
second
by
donna.
So
this
is
a
public
hearing
on
the
disposition
of
the
the
green
street
garage,
the
eastern
section
of
the
green
street
garage,
which
is
planned
for
an
urban
development
project.
C
A
lot
a
lot
of
people
want
to
speak
on
the
screen
building
policy.
I
know
right
we'll
do
that
during
the
regular
public
comment.
So
is
there
a
motion
to
close
the
public
hearing,
I'm
moved
by
a
bunch
of
people.
Second,.
C
F
B
F
A
B
Why
I
have
janelle
maggie
katie,
sims,
okay,.
F
Katie
sims,
okay,.
B
C
B
Yeah
people-
I
that's
everybody
for
the
moment.
Okay,.
F
Speakers,
I
have
the
list
of
speakers
in
the
order
that
they
signed
up
to
speak.
So
why
don't
I
just
start
going
through
those
and.
C
F
C
And
just
I'll
just
remind
everyone
quickly
that
the
rules-
I
don't
know
if
some
folks
may
have
spoken
at
these
meetings
before,
but
basically
our
rules
are
that
you,
you
get
three
minutes
to
speak
and
joanne
or
another
member
of
staff
will
give
you
a
warning
when
there's
a
minute
left
and
we
also
we
have
a
number
of
speakers
tonight.
I
realize
a
lot
of
people
are
here
to
speak
on
the
the
green
building
policy.
C
It
isn't
on
the
agenda
tonight,
but
we
I
I
think
it
will
be
on
the
agenda
in
january.
I'm
pretty
sure
just
given
that
there's
a
lot
on
our
agenda
tonight.
We
have
a
pretty
busy
night
if
you
find
that
you're
repeating
things
that
have
already
been
said.
If
you
maybe
would
consider
shortening
your
remarks
or
even
forgoing
your
turn,
that
would
certainly
be
helpful
to
us
to
move
the
the
meeting
forward
tonight.
C
So
joanne,
do
you
want
to
call
on
the
first
speaker?
Do.
F
F
Okay,
I
certainly
will
so
we
are
going
to
be
seeing
this
at
the
planning
committee
next
month.
I
do
want
to
remind
people
that
we
had
a
very
good
start
on
this
and
then
the
pandemic
hit
and,
of
course
many
of
our
staff
were
furloughed
and
we
were
spread
very
thin
during
that
time,
so
some
projects
had
to
take
a
back
seat.
Some
staff
members
that
were
working
on
this
have
young
children
at
home
that
they
had
to
take
care
of
during
that
pandemic.
F
So
I
just
want
to
put
it
in
that
light,
because
I
know
there
was
a
lot
of
criticism
about
how
long
it's
taking,
but
we
will
be
seeing
this
in
january.
The
planning
committee
will
give
a
green
light
for
it
to
be
circulated.
We'll
circulate
it
for
about
30
days
and
then
so
we
will
be
taking
written
comments
and
then
we
will
bring
it
back
to
to
the
february
meeting
of
the
planning
committee,
which
will
be
on
february
17th
in
march.
We're
going
to
hope
that
we
will
be
able
to
adopt
this.
F
So
we
are
seeing
the
end
of
this
portion
of
the
green
building
policy.
Once
it's
been
adopted
by
common
council,
we
will
move
on
to
the
green
building
policy
for
existing
buildings,
and
I
just
want
to
give
a
shout
out
to
nick
goldsmith
who
was
our
sustainability
planner
and
he
works
20
hours
a
week
for
the
city
and
20
hours
a
week
for
the
town.
So
this
has
been
a
heavy
lift
for
him,
but
he's
really
done
a
very
good
job
and
you
will
all
be
able
to
see
it
soon.
B
M
Sims,
hey
hi
yeah,
I'm
katie
sims,
and
I'm
here
to
talk
about
the
green
building
policy
and
when
it
go
past
the
green
new
deal
last
year,
it
promised
as
a
city
to
be
a
visionary
and
a
municipality
and
a
leader
in
mitigating
climate
change.
M
I
don't
really
see
that
in
the
green
building,
the
the
green
building
policy
based
on
the
revisions
that
were
made
since
the
last
draft,
I
think
allowing
new
fossil
fuel
projects
and
providing
points
for
them
is
setting
the
city
up
for
failure
to
meet
its
carbon
neutrality.
Commitment.
I'd
like
to
see
the
points
number
increased,
and
I'd
also
just
like
to
see
that
this.
M
This,
like
is
truly
a
priority
coming
up
over
the
next
couple
months
and
getting
it
out
speedily
and
making
sure
that
the
policy
is
is
truly
getting
us
on
on
track.
So
eliminating
or
re
sorry
having
the
fossil
fuel
prerequisite
for
the
for
the
efficiency
projects,
so
no
fossil
fuels
on
those
efficiency
projects
and
then
also
increasing
the
points
number
because,
as
you
know,
this
policy,
the
original
timeline,
was
to
have
it
in
place
in
2019,
going
into
we're.
M
Looking
at
it
starting,
you
know
if
it's
adopted
in
march
and
then
it
takes
six
months
to
go
into
effect
coming
at
the
end
of
2021,
that
you
know
it's
a
different
situation,
we're
a
lot
closer
to
the
to
the
carbon
neutrality
goal,
and
I
think
that
the
points
need
to
reflect
that
so
yeah.
That's
all
I
have
to
say
thank
you.
F
Who's
that
gabrielle
ewing.
A
There
we
go,
I'm
also
you're
talking
about
comments
about
the
the
green
building
policy.
I
think
there's
a
there's
a
lot
of
different
sections
of
it
that
that
needs
some
revision,
whether
it's
like
specifically
about
the
number
of
points
or
the
fact
that,
for
some
reason,
natural
gas
is
included
in
it.
Obviously
a
lot
of
people
are
going
to
talk
about
that.
I
think
my
main
gripe
is
just
in
general.
A
It
seems
really
really
conservative
and
it
seems
like
this
is
kind
of
something
that's
aimed
to
just
get
passed
and
get
done,
as
maybe
just
like
a
publicity
stuff
from
the
city
of
ita,
and
I
really
have
doubts
that
this
is
gonna.
Allow
us
to
lead
to
that
goal
of
being
carbon
natural
by
2030
as
a
city.
A
I
think
you
know
when,
when
we're
building
buildings,
we
have
to
be
thinking
about
how
long
they're
going
to
last-
and
as
far
as
I
know,
all
the
buildings
like
around
here
are
much
older
than
10
years,
so
we
have
to
be
building
these
buildings
in
a
way
that's
going
to
reflect
what
our
goals
are
as
long
as
they're
going
to
be
standing,
and
although
maybe
this
policy
is
all
right
for
right
now,
by
the
time
these
buildings
are
10
years
old
when
they're
still
fairly
new.
A
It's
going
to
be
really
difficult
to
have
this
really
kind
of
lacking
green
building
policy
transition
into
the
the
more
robust
goals
that
we
have
laid
out
in
the
green
new
deal.
So
I
think
a
lot
of
the
things
need
to
be
changed
that
it's
a
lot
more
radical
in
its
actions.
It
has
a
lot
more
control
over
making
sure
that
things
are
carbon
neutral,
making
sure
that
they
can
be
able
to
be
so
once
we
get
the
energy
grid
set
over
and
right
now.
That's
that's
just
not
the
case.
A
I
think
right
now
I
was
looking
through
it
earlier
today
and
the
draft
which
I
guess
is
from
2019,
but
unfortunately
like
the
only
thing
that
we're
working
with
right
now
as
it
is,
you
could
get
a
building
approved
just
with
things
like
affordability,
improvements
and,
like
other
points
for
walkability,
which
means
that
you're
not
required
to
have
something.
That's
heated
by
heat
pumps,
you're
not
required
to
take
those
energy
efficient
savings
into
account.
A
You
can
just
do
kind
of
these
small
things
to
make
it
pass,
and
that's
really
not
going
to
stand
the
test
of
time.
That's
going
to
make
it
really
difficult
for
the
city
of
ithaca
to
to
meet
its
goals
of
being
carbon
neutral
by
2030
and
then
also
the
additional
ones
that
come
in.
You
know
2025
with
the
transportation
sector,
and
things
like
that.
So
I
think
we
need
to
be
a
lot
more
thorough
with
the
actions
that
we're
taking
now
so
that
they
can
reflect
what
we
want
to
meet
in.
N
I
do
yeah,
I
do
all
right
all
right.
This
is
from
theresa
alt,
206,
eddie
street
and
teresa
helper
209
south
geneva
street.
They
say
we
would
like
to
suggest
that
it
is
time
for
the
city
to
rescind
ctap.
The
original
purpose
of
ctaf
was
to
encourage
densification
in
hard
to
build
central
downtown
areas.
Now
some
of
the
hardest
lots
have
been
built
up
and
we
have
made
strides
towards
the
density
we
envisioned
by
this
metric
ctab
has
been
a
success.
N
However,
the
relatively
automatic
availability
of
tax
abatements
in
the
downtown
core
has
driven
up
property
values,
which
has
in
turn
increased
the
likelihood
that
the
developed
housing
units
will
be
offered
at
luxury
prices.
Therefore,
ctap
has
played
a
role
in
the
gentrification
of
downtown
and
appears
to
be
headed
towards
the
same
influence
on
west
state
and
what
was
previously
one
of
our
most
affordable
neighborhoods.
N
Meanwhile,
developers
of
workforce
housing
have
to
compete
with
deeper
pockets
who
rely
on
luxury
rents,
combined
with
tax
abatements
to
recoup
the
increased
land
costs.
It's
unlikely
that
about
abolishing
ctap
will
lead
to
significant
slowdown
in
development.
Downtown
building
has
been
vigorous
in
college
town
without
any
tax
payments,
even
with
per
bedroom
rents
lower
in
college
town
than
in
downtown.
N
Nor
will
abolishing
ctap
make
it
possible
for
the
ida
to
offer
tax
abatements
in
the
city
or
even
to
offer
abatements
on
residential
developments.
The
scope
of
ida's
abilities
to
justify
abatements
has
grown
has
been
growing
over
the
years.
However,
without
the
rel,
relatively
automatic
and
premature
of
ctap
projects
throughout
the
city
and
the
county
would
have
to
compete
on
their
own
merits,
showing
public
benefits
to
justify
the
abatements.
N
I
was
yeah,
I
was
all
right,
so
I'm
sorry
about
that
teresa
I'll,
try
to
find
the
right
one,
but
we
can
move
on.
F
Back
to
teresa's
comment:
okay,
james
warren.
O
Hi,
I'm
james.
I
live
on
green
street
525
west
green
street,
I'm
also
a
grad
assistant
with
the
ithaca
green
new
deal.
So
I
do
some
work
with
that
in
town.
Obviously,
I'm
here
to
speak
about
the
green
building
policy
as
well,
I'm
echoing
some
of
the
comments
that
we've
heard
thus
far
about
raising
the
point
limit.
Specifically
some
of
us.
O
I
I
don't
want
to
speak
for
every
single
person
sort
of
in
this
green
new
deal
work,
but
we
are
looking
for
a
point
increase
from
six
points
to
12
points
in
the
rule
released
in
january.
O
That
would,
in
our
view,
give
us
the
ability
to
actually
push
developers
and
new
buildings
to
standards
that
actually
will
improve
our
environment
as
it
stands
right
now,
six
points
most
of
them
won't
have
to
change
at
all
to
meet
that
goal,
and
so
it's
it's
effectively
a
useless
goal
for
at
least
in
current.
D
C
Sorry,
I
think
somebody
was
interrupting.
We
don't
typically
have
interruptions
or
like
cross
conversation
during
public
comment,
so
james,
if
you
can
continue
your
comment.
O
Thank
you.
Yes,
I
appreciate
that,
additionally,
the
it
would
be
in
the
best
interest
of
of
renters
and
to
utilize
market
forces
to
include
heating
and
cooling
costs
in
in
to
have
owners
pay
for
heating
and
cooling
costs
when
that
those
payments
are
transferred
to
renters
they'll,
be
able
to
identify
these
costs
as
they
pay
rent
enable
the
market
to
help
address
some
of
these
climate
issues.
So
I
don't
want
to
repeat
too
much
of
what
others
have
said.
C
Thank
you,
james
appreciate
it
just
one
note,
so
our
lisa
who's
nicholas
who's
sort
of
the
moderating.
This
is
going
to
remove
people
from
the
meeting
after
they've
spoken.
You
can
still
watch
the
meeting
on
the
live
stream
of
the
youtube.
So
just
a
heads
up,
if
that,
if
that
happens
to
you
after
you've,
spoke,
go.
F
In
next,
okay,
yep
lila
and
forgive
me
but
symphony
dorfer.
P
C
Thank
you
was
that
your
comment,
or
you
finished,
that
yeah
I
want
to
cut
you
off.
Okay,
thank
you.
F
Moving
right
along,
let's
see,
eliza
everett.
F
L
Hello,
I
agree
with
everyone
who
has
spoken
previously
about
the
green
new
deal
and
the
comment
that
mr
sarah
regansman
has
put
in
the
comments.
I
appreciate
all
the
work
of
elected
officials
who
have
been
working
their
butts
itself
and
taking
care
of
kids.
At
the
same
time,
no
further
comment.
Thank
you
very
much.
Q
Yes,
here
I
am
hi
yeah.
I
also
wanted
to
comment
about
the
green
building
policy
considerations
and
I'm
another
one
who
takes
issue,
I'm
a
grandma
and
a
mom,
and
I
take
issue
with
the
natural
gas
part
of
the
part
of
the
policy.
Q
I
feel
very
strongly
that
the
time
has
come,
that
all
buildings
should
be
required
to
use
sustainable
and
renewable
sources
of
energy,
and
this
most
emphatically
does
not
include
so-called
natural
gas,
which
is
produced
by
fracking,
a
dangerous
and
extremely
polluting
technology
that
has
for
the
last
decade
or
so
been
damaging
farms,
soil
and
drinking
water
sources
for
our
neighbors
in
northern
pennsylvania
and
causing
all
kinds
of
disruption
and
health
risks
and
emotional
stress
for
communities
there.
F
C
Julian
I
saw
that
steve
said
he
now
has
the
correct,
theresa
all
comment.
I
don't
know
if
you
want
to
do
that.
N
All
right
round,
two
from
theresa
alt,
I
start
from
the
ithacan
215
east
state
street,
but
I'm
speaking
neither
for
nor
against
that
project.
You
don't
really
have
a
choice.
Rimlin
has
you
in
his
talents
and
as
he
points
out,
if
you
don't
go
ahead
with
this
project,
the
city
is
stuck
with
a
crumbling
east
portion
of
the
green
street
parking
garage,
but
reflect
on
how
dedication
to
cars
has
gotten
you
to
this
point
now
I
turn
to
novar
and
prazhansky's
request
for
the
innovation
district,
but
in
college
town.
N
N
The
city
should
also
demand
subsidy
for
more
public
transit,
perhaps
also
conversion
of
the
private
buses
serving
college
town
terrace
to
public
ones
that
serve
the
whole
community.
It's
not
clear
to
me
why
young
adults
can't
walk
a
mile
to
campus
when
whole
families
on
west
hill
badly
need
more
frequent
bus
service.
F
Okay,
so
next
up
I
have
cold
and
pro
I
don't
see
that
name
in
here,
so
we
will
go
to
the
next
person.
R
R
R
F
S
Good
job
yup,
that's
me
thank
you
for
having
us
today,
I'm
coming
today
as
somebody
who
lives
I
work
in
ithaca.
I
spend
most
of
my
money
in
ithaca.
First,
I
want
to
say
that
there
is
no
room
for
natural
gas
and
a
green
building
policy,
a
plan
that
allows
for
new
natural
gas
infrastructure
just
sabotages.
I
think
it's
commitment
to
carbon
neutrality
by
2030,
because
it
just
it
commits
us
to
the
lifespan
of
that
infrastructure.
S
S
So
incorporating
natural
gas
into
a
green
building
policy
is
simple
hypocrisy.
At
this
point,
we
get
to
keep
our
green
washed
image
of
the
fracking
moratorium
while
continuing
to
cause
harm.
We
can
do
far
better
than
that.
It's
like
it's
a
prize
for
developers.
We
have
a
chance
to
set
an
appropriately
high
bar
and
speaking
of
those
kind
of
high
bars,
I
did
notice
in
the
there
was
like
a
byline
in
the
green
building
policy
about
social
justice
in
terms
of
affordable
building,
affordable
construction,
affordable
housing.
S
Tax
breaks
for
a
luxury
apartment
building
how
about
incorporating
a
quota
into
any
new
housing
projects
for
section
8
recipients,
we're
at
a
national
moment
also
where
the
political
common
sense
is
shifting
away
from
the
idea
that
government
is
there
for
protecting
business
interests
and
we're
shifting
back
towards
the
idea
that
government
is
there
for
protecting
people.
That's
one
minute:
that's
a
wave!
That's
coming
and
let's
be
on
the
front
of
that
wave,
let's
be
real
about
what
needs
to
be
done,
and
let's,
let's
do
it.
Thank.
C
F
Next,
we
have
david
bradley.
I
didn't
see
that
name
marissa
lansing,
whose.
L
T
T
Hi
everyone,
my
name,
is
marissa
lansing
and
I'm
a
renter
in
the
first
ward,
128
east
spencer
street.
Thank
you
for
your
time
this
evening.
Right
now,
I
currently
serve
on
the
ithaca
green
new
deal,
advisory
board
and
the
community
outreach
and
engagement
working
group
as
well.
It's
with
my
fellow
local
youth,
led
sunrise
movement
and
ithaca
green
new
deal
staff.
T
These
groups
developed
out
of
the
city's
bold
commitment
to
passing
a
green
new
deal,
and
I'm
here
to
speak
about
the
green
building
policy.
Surprise
that
was
initially
slated
for
the
agenda
tonight.
This
is
a
policy
that
has
been
stalling
to
pass
for
over
three
years.
We
are
so
excited
to
see
it
finalized
in
the
boldest
form
that
it
can
take
as
a
young
person,
I
felt
so
empowered
and
so
excited
to
implement
real
change
around
climate.
T
When
the
green
new
deal
was
passed
last
june
a
year
and
a
half
ago,
we
were
so
excited
to
meet
with
the
mayor
brainstorm
together
and
really
light
this
fire
to
get
something
meaningful
done
here.
It
wasn't
going
to
be
an
empty
promise,
however.
Much
of
what
we've
witnessed
in
this
past
year
and
a
half
from
city
leadership
has
been
really
disappointing
and
status
quo.
There's
been
no
real,
embrace
and
celebration
of
the
green.
You
do.
The
city
has
to
be
a
leader
and
be
public
and
be
seen.
T
You
have
committed
us
to
reach
carbon
neutrality
by
2030,
but
carbon
neutrality
is
not
possible
if
the
city
continues
to
burn
natural
gas,
which
is
still
allowed
under
this
new
policy.
Here
in
ithaca,
the
green
green
new
deal
has
been
green
washed
and
used
as
a
buzzword.
That
doesn't
mean
much,
which
is
so
heartbreaking
for
so
many
of
us
who
put
real
faith
in
this
government
to
stick
to
their
work.
We're
not
going
to
accept
this.
The
green
building
policy
is
the
first
real,
tangible
teeth
of
the
green
new
deal.
T
It's
been
the
first
real
commitment
from
the
city
that
you
can
follow
through
on,
as
community
partners
have
worked
tirelessly
to
engage
folks
that
have
been
left
to
the
margins
to
build
the
equity
aspect
of
the
green
meat
deal,
but
the
technical
code
aspect
of
this
resolution
is
on
you.
So
as
it
stands,
it's
not
enough.
I
know
that
you
and
nick
and
everyone's
been
working
so
hard
on
it.
But
right
now
it's
not
the
green
new
deal
standard.
It's
not
what
the
city
committed
to.
T
When
you
said
you
would
take
bold
climate
action
to
protect
us
from
the
climate
crisis.
We
have
to
go
further.
We
cannot
allow
any
new
gas
installations
in
the
city.
Methane
emissions
are
accelerating
the
disastrous
effects
of
climate
change
and
over
45
percent
of
our
greenhouse
gas
emissions
community-wide
is
from
the
burning
of
natural
gas.
So
we
can't
add
more
so.
T
This
policy
is
for
all
new
buildings
and,
logically,
if
we
know-
and
we
agree
that
fossil
fuels
are
destroying
our
future,
why
would
we
allow
new
fossil
fuel
infrastructure
when
we
can
fully
prevent
that
when
we
have
a
green
new
deal
in
ithaca?
Previous
drafts
did
not
allow
points
for
natural
gas,
and
recent
revisions
have
dropped.
T
The
clause
and
optional
points
number
five
that
actually
give
up
to
two
points
for
developers
that
decide
to
build
with
natural
gas
or
any
fuel
type
for
that
matter,
and
as
we've
seen,
developers
are
already
adhering
to
this
building
code
and
even
going
beyond.
This
means
that
we
have
to
do
more
require
at
least
12
points,
not
six
on
the
easy
path
and
clearly
we
don't
need
a
six
month
grace
period.
I
think
that
we
can
give
more
credit
to
the
developers
ability
to
to
adopt.
So
we
in
the
city
of
ithaca
can.
V
Hi,
my
name
is
maggie,
I'm
also
currently
a
renter
in
ithaca,
and
I
would
just
like
to
also
lend
my
support
to
the
expansion
of
the
green
building
policy
and
its
removal
of
the
fossil
fuels
exception.
But
I'm
sure
you
guys
will
speak
more
about
that
next
month
and
I'll
be
happy
to
come
back
next
month
and
give
more
in-depth
explanations
for
my
my
support.
Thank
you.
So
much.
F
Okay:
next,
we
have
hannah
brodsky.
F
Okay,
megan,
I
didn't
get
the
last
name,
I
don't
know
if
there's
a
mega.
U
Okay,
I
was.
I
Just
so
impressed
with
the
comments
of
the
people
who
came
before
me,
I'm
also
here
to
talk
about
the
green
building
project.
The
the
the
fracking
issue
is
the
closest
thing
to
my
heart
in
this
reading
about
what
is
being
allowed
and
welcomed
and
given
points
for.
I
also
worked
extremely
hard.
My
family
and
many
other
families
that
I
know
put
our
lives
on
hold
to
fight
fracking
in
new
york,
and
I
remember
where
I
was
and
how
I
felt
and
how
it
was
the
moment
that
fracking
was
banned
in
new
york.
I
It
was
a
huge
moment
for
so
many
people
in
our
community,
because
we
worked
so
hard
on
this,
and
so
the
people
in
pennsylvania
are
still
suffering
those
consequences.
Just
like
all
the
other
folks
have
said.
I
I
can't
believe
that
ithaca
would
move
forward
with
a
plan
to
to
do
anything
in
support
of
fracked
gas
coming
into
the
city
and
all
of
the
other
concerns
that
go
along
with
natural
gas
as
a
power
source,
and
then
I
also
want
to
echo
what
celia
said
about
social
justice
and
equitable
fare,
affordable
housing
being
really
inseparable
from
the
issue
of
green
building
that
if
we
have
the
inefficiencies
and
inequity
that
comes
along
with
houselessness
and
people
aren't
able
to
afford
housing
right
now,
the
crisis
is
so
huge.
I
There
are
literally
hundreds
of
empty
apartment
units
in
ithaca
they're
listed
as
available.
However,
those
renting
companies
are
not
willing
to
rent
to
section
8
renters.
The
housing
crisis
is
unbelievable
and
there's
a
ton
of
backwards
practice.
That's
keeping
people
out
of
housing
and
keeping
them
on
the
streets
and
keeping
them
in
the
shelter
in
the
middle
of
covid.
F
Say
thanks:
we
have
dave
bradley,
I
don't.
I
don't
think
I
don't
see
anyone
else
in
the
waiting
room.
Lisa.
Is
that
correct.
F
Okay,
well,
that
went
smoother
than
we
thought
it
would
at
the
beginning
of
the
meeting.
So
there
is
an
iphone
and
I'm
not.
C
And
I'll
just
say
to
all
the
speakers
who
showed
up
tonight,
thank
you
for
coming
and
apologies
again
for
not
sending
out
the
zoom
link
more
in
a
more
timely
manner.
I
will
say
that's
a
second
what
joanne
said
earlier.
You
know
the
covid
obviously
threw
a
real
curveball
at
the
city
and
it
really
has
impacted
our
our
finances
and
our
ability
to
move
forward,
not
just
on
the
green
building
policy,
but
on
all
kinds
of
things.
Everything
from
you
know
road
work
to
other
planning
initiatives.
C
That
said,
I
realize
obviously
how
important
this
is.
Reducing
greenhouse
gas
emissions
is
a
major
priority
for
the
city
and
has
to
be
incorporated
into
everything
we're
doing
in
terms
of
our
city
operations.
I'm
very
pleased
that
we're
bringing
this
forward
next
month-
and
you
know
I'll,
say
that
I
realize
we
have
some
technical
difficulties
tonight.
If
there's
anyone
out
there
who
didn't
who's
watching
who
didn't
get
a
chance
to
speak,
please
feel
free
to
come
back
next
month
and
we'll
make
sure
that
everybody
has
a
chance
to
be
heard.
So,
thanks.
C
Everybody
who
came
out
tonight
so
next
up
on
our
agenda
is
the
annual
lead
agency
concurrence.
So
we
do
this.
I
know
we're
we're
pretty
familiar
with
this
at
this
point.
This
is
something
we
do
yearly.
There
are
some
projects
for
which
common
councils
is
what
is
known
as
an
involved
agency.
C
C
C
H
Yeah,
thank
you.
I
really
want
to
thank
everybody
who
came
out
to
speak
and
highlighting
aspects
of
the
green
new
deal
proposed
green
new
deal
policy.
You
know
I
I
appreciate
those
who
who
shared
their
experiences
with
the
the
fight
against
frack
gas.
I
also
remember
the
day
that
we
that
you
and
we
won
that
battle.
H
It
gave
me
goosebumps
just
thinking
about
it,
so
I
I
did
want
to
ask
mainly
to
staff,
since
this
is
coming
back
next
month,
will
there
be
an
opportunity
for
for
staff
to
evaluate
the
impact
of
possibly
changing
the
point
structure
with
regards
to
the
use
of
natural
gas
in
new
construction
or
or
it's
just
mainly
we're
just
gonna
go
with
what
we
have
and
then
go
through
public
comment,
and
that
would
be
the
time
to
look
at
the
point
structure
and
any
possible
changes.
Then.
F
Well,
I
can
certainly
speak
to
nick
about
it
and
to
to
our
smaller
group
and
see
what
we
can
do.
I
think
we
heard
loud
and
clear
the
concern
about
that
whether
we
bring
it
forward
in
advance
of
next
month's
meeting.
I
I
can't
guarantee,
but
I
will
I
will
talk
to
nick
and
and
we'll
see
where
that
fits
into
the
to
the
timeline.
H
Okay,
thank
you.
I
realize
that
these
point
structures.
You
know,
I'm
always
very
concerned
when
you,
when
you
pull
the
thread
in
one
place
and
lots
of
other
things
that
you
don't
anticipate,
become
affected.
So
it's
it's
not
necessarily
an
easy
thing,
just
to
say
we'll
change
the
point
structure
here,
but
if
there
is
an
opportunity
now
to
to
look
at
this
with
a
different
point
of
view
to
being
able
to
address
the
concerns
that
were
raised
today,
that
would
be
helpful.
C
Okay,
next
up,
I
think
we're
we're
at
dogs
on
the
commons,
because
we
we
did
the
watershed
rules
earlier.
E
C
So
obviously
we
had
this
last
month
that
went
to
council.
There
was
still
some
concern
about
the
language.
I
know
that
staff
took
this
back
and
tried
to
address
some
of
the
concerns
that
have
been
proud
of
at
the
council
meeting.
So
the
resolution
you
see
in
the
packet
is
it's
those
that
revision.
C
G
Okay,
so
what's
let
me
find
it
so
I
gotta
work
through
all
these
green
new
deal.
Comments
to
find
it
here
so
what's
written
now
is
that
no
animals
are
allowed
on
the
primary
commons,
except
by
special
permit.
This
provision
does
not
apply
to
leash
dogs,
as
as
allowed
by
chapter
164
and
any
service
animals
providing
assistance
to
people
with
special
needs
and
police
working
dogs.
I
suggest
that
we
simplify
that
to
no
animals
are
allowed
on
the
primary
commons,
except
those
with
special
permits
and
leash
dogs.
G
G
Dogs
can't
be
tied
to
a
stationary
object
and
something
else
that's
already
in
the
code.
Let
me
find
that
as
well,
so
we
might
be
able
to
simplify
it
even
further.
If
we
take
that
out.
Oh
what's
already
in
the
code
is
that
no
animals
can
climb
on
any
structure
in
the
commons,
and
also
no
animals
shall
be
tied.
A
fixture
bound
to
any
light.
Poultry
plant
or
blah
blah
and
animals
are
prohibited
from
entering
planters
on
the
commons.
G
So
if
we
want
to
simplify
our
resolution
even
further,
we
can
take
out
line
four
and,
let's
see
yeah
just
take
out
line
four,
because
we
already
have
a
prohibition
about
tying
a
dog
up.
G
C
Thanks
yeah,
I
mean
I,
I
generally
support
trying
to
make
this
simpler,
rather
than
more
complicated.
That
was
a
point
that
the
dia,
who
originally
actually
passed
a
resolution
encouraging
us
to
do
this
had
made.
There
was
an
email
they
sent
around
just
saying
like
they
want
us
to
try
to
make
this
as
simple
as
possible.
Right,
I
think
you
know
there.
There
may
be
some
common
specific
rules
like
yeah.
I
think
the
this
the
retractable
leash,
the
six-foot
retractable
leash
yeah.
That
makes
sense,
but
yeah.
H
H
H
I,
what
I'm
saying
is
that
paring
things
down
may
not
necessarily
make
it
easier
and
by
listing
all
the
items
that
people
would
automatically
refer
to
in
one
place
would
be
helpful.
So,
rather
than
removing
item
four
and
item
six,
I
would
keep
it
in
place
and
perhaps
add
an
item
seven
if
it
is
already
elsewhere
in
the
code,
add
an
item,
seven
that
no
dog
shall
be
on
the
comments
during
special
events.
C
E
Thank
you
and
I
appreciate
cynthia's
comments
and
I
certainly
appreciate
donna's
help
on
this
one.
The
thing
we
might
do
is
to
I
wouldn't
agree
with
keeping
this
simple
and
we
could
always
put
in
a
reference
a
direction
to
other
parts
in
the
city
code.
Rather
than
repeating
the
information,
we
could
simply
refer
people
to
the
other
code,
as
I
believe
we've
done
in
other
types
of
documents,
so
that
would
be
my
preference
eliminate
number
four
and
number
six
and
we
can
refer
people
to
where
that
information
exists.
Elsewhere.
G
Yes,
oh
so
it's
currently
written
dog
owners
are
responsible
for
promptly
cleaning
up
after
their
dogs.
I'd
suggest,
dog
handlers
or
owners
must
promptly
clean
up
their
dog's
waste.
E
C
Yeah,
I
agree
with
those
comments.
I
think
it's
best
to
try
to
make
this
simpler.
I
think
for
the
lay
person
who's
interested
in
finding
out
what
the
rules
are
in
the
commons,
I
think
you're
far
more
likely
to
to
target
them
through
signage.
G
Comment
I
wanted
to
so
what
we
should
do
in
that
case.
Is
this
phrase
all
dogs
in
the
comments
are
subject
to
all
rules
outlined
in
chapter
164
of
the
city
code.
We
should
add:
what's
the
other
one
157
article
2
157
also
has
other
rules
about
dogs
on
the
commons,
so
we
should
refer
them
to
164
and
157.
C
Okay,
jennifer
are
you?
How
are
you
are
you,
okay,
with
these
changes.
W
No,
the
only
thing
is,
I'm
not
sure
where
in
the
code
it
says
that
dogs
are
banned
during
events,
I
I'm
not
I'm
trying
to
do
a
search,
and
so
I'm
not
sure
if
that
exists
or
not.
So
if
you
want
it,
it
may
make
sense
to
put
it
here,
because
I'm
not
finding
it
or
it
might
exist,
I'm
just
not
finding
it.
C
W
H
Yeah,
I
think
I
would
be
if
it's
not
already
there.
I
would
be
hesitant
because
it
would
be
a
hard
thing
to
you
know
when
you
have
special
conditions,
if
people
think
that
they
can
always
bring
their
dog
onto
the
commons
with
certain
conditions,
they
will
continue
to
do
that
so,
especially
at
a
special
event.
H
I'm
not
sure
how
someone
would
advise
against
it,
whether
or
not
there
would
be
signs
all
over
the
place
or
or
what
you
would
require
in
order
for
people
to
be
advised
ahead
of
time
that
dogs
weren't
allowed,
especially
because
special
events.
C
H
Bring
in
people
from
up
out
of
town
yeah,
so
they
wouldn't
know
so,
just
from
an
enforceability
standpoint,
I
find
it
difficult
and
and
partially
I
thought
that
one
of
the
reasons
to
allow
dogs
on
the
commons
was
the
signs
themselves
were
were
ineffective.
So
I'm
I
guess,
I'm
hearing
that
what
now
currently
says
no
dogs
will
now
say
dogs
under
these
conditions,
so
we
would
still
be
putting
up
signs
with
regards
to
dogs,
I'm
just
not
sure
how
effective
that
is.
As
we
engage
in
that
discussion.
C
G
We
run
into
the
enforceability
problem
again,
so
if
somebody
brings
their
dog
to
the
ithaca
festival,
which
I
think
would
be
a
bad
idea,
somebody's
got
to
say:
do
you
have
a
permit?
Do
you
live
on
the
commons?
Are
you
from
out
of
town?
You
know
blah
blah
blah,
so
we
run
into
the
same
problem
all
over
again.
So
maybe
I'm
not
as
crazy
about
that
idea.
F
I
I
just
wanted
to
say
that
I'm
sure
many
of
you
have
been
to
our
festivals
on
the
commons
and
probably
at
the
ithaca
festival.
There
are
more
dogs
there
than
at
the
westminster
dog
show,
so
I
do
think
it
would
be
difficult
to
enforce.
E
Yeah,
thank
you.
I
wanted
to
make
note
of
the
report
we
received
from
the
public
safety
and
information
commission.
They
sent
a
very
thorough
report
that
I
found
really
helpful.
They
did
a
lot
of
research.
Commissioners
did
research
on
other
communities
and
what
they
have
in
place
for
their
public
commons.
Similar
areas
to
our
public
comment
comments.
E
They
also
make
note
of
the
downtown
ithaca
alliance
and
the
work
they
did.
The
dia
informed
the
commission
in
february
2019
that
13
of
16
business
owner
owners
responded
to
a
survey
favoring
permitting
dogs
on
the
commons,
so
we
are
hearing
from
businesses.
We
are
hearing
from
a
number
of
individuals
from
the
visitors
bureau
that
there
is
an
interest
in
making
this
ordinance
on
the
commons
consistent
with
the
ordinance
throughout
the
rest
of
of
the
city.
So
I
just
wanted
to
thank
psi
for
their
work
and
their
report.
C
Great
thank
you
for
remembering
that.
So
we
have
some
proposed
changes.
Wanna
propose
the
changes.
I
don't
know.
If
donna
wants
to
maybe
move
those
and
then
we
can
discuss
it
further.
If,
if
necessary,
donna
do
you
want
to
make
a
motion
on
your
changes.
G
G
No,
I
I,
as
I
was
reading
it.
I
realized
I
was
mistaken,
so
the
line
should
be
no
animals
are
allowed
on
the
primary
commons
except
no,
no
animals
are
allowed
on
the
primary
commons
except
those
with
special
permits.
A
C
Okay,
so
we
have
the
so
we
have.
The
amendment
is
on
the
floor
to
want
to
vote
on
the
amendment,
so
this
is
donna's
amendment
kind
of
outline,
the
email
she
sent
in
her
comment
for
all
those
in
favor
and
that
carries
unanimously
so
back
to
the
original
resolution.
P
W
G
Well,
we
had
my
intention
was
to
remove
number
six
because
it's
elsewhere
in
the
code
number
six
and
number
four
cynthia
had
disagreed
with
that.
So
it
was
not
a
unanimous
sentiment.
N
N
Yeah
sure
I
was
just
gonna,
I
thought
that
point
cynthia
made
about
the
importance
of
specificity
in
the
law
itself
is
is
a
really
good
point,
because
I
don't
think,
like
the
average
person
who's
walking
on
the
commons
isn't
going
to
be
referring
to
the
raw
law.
N
The
law
is
is
to
help
provide
as
much
clarity
as
possible
as
to
what
we're
trying
to
enforce-
and
I
think
that's-
that's
kind
of
what
we've
run
into
in
the
past
is
just
a
little
bit
of
ambivalence
on
as
far
as
like
what
we're
really
trying
to
enforce,
and
so
I'm
all
for
making
sure
that
this
is
as
specific
and
nailed
down
as
possible
so
that
we're
not
leaving
making
making
a
judgment
call
for
the
enforcers.
N
And
so
if
we
want
to
leave
that
in
here,
I
would
I
would
support
it
and
then
I'm
also
just
realizing
like
if
we
say
stationary,
no
tethering
your
dog
to
a
stationary
object.
The
planters
aren't
technically
stationary.
So
would
that
be
some
kind
of
a
weird
loophole
because
they
have
those
wheels
on
them
and
they
can
move
around.
C
I
think
cynthia
had
a
comment
and
then
donna,
I
think,
wanted
to
say
something.
H
My
comment
mainly
was
before
we
vote
on
the
final.
If
we
could,
since
we
do
have
the
capacity
over
zoom
to
actually
look
at
the
language
that
we're
changing,
if
jennifer
could
share
her
screen.
That
would
at
least
allow
me
to
know
exactly
what
we're
voting
on.
W
I
need
permission
to
share.
Joanne
looks
like
you're
the
host.
G
I'm
sorry,
I
couldn't
move
my
hand
fast
enough.
I
wanted
to
note
to
steve's
point:
I'm
I'm
fine
with
what
stephen
and
cynthia
said
about
making
it
as
clear
as
possible.
I
think
that's
a
that's
fine,
but
to
the
the
full
part
of
157
says
no
animals
shall
be
tied
affixed
or
bound
to
any
light
pole
tree
planter,
pavilion
or
other
infrastructure
on
the
commons,
so
it
kind
of
covers
everything
in
addition
to
stationary
object.
So
I
think
we
might
be
okay
on
that.
C
C
C
C
And
then
the
the
rules
below
I
mean
I'm
fine
with
them.
I
don't
know
if
others
are
I've.
Oh
sorry,
cynthia.
W
C
This
looks
fine
to
me.
Are
we
ready
to
vote
on
this.
C
This
is
the
ordinance
itself
all
those
in
favor
see
if
I
can
see
everyone,
it
looks
like
it's
unanimous
so
that
passes
unanimously
and
that
will
go
to
council
back
to
council
in
january.
Thank
you
all
for
your
work
on
this,
especially
donna
for
making
those
changes.
It
really
helped
improve
the
clarity
I
think
and
jennifer.
Thank
you,
okay.
C
So
sorry,
I
don't
have
the
agenda
in
front
of
me.
Next
up
is
the.
Is
it
the
green
street
garage,
the
dda?
It's
the
dda
okay,
great
all
right!
So
there's
a
lot
of
so
nels
is
here
together
with
the
project
team.
There's
a
lot
of
materials
in
the
agenda
packet,
including
a
resolution
plus
the
agreement
itself,
as
well
as
some
project
designs.
C
Obviously
this
is
a
really
big
project
right
in
the
core
of
the
city.
You
know
which
could
get
us
some
parking
and
some
affordable
housing.
Definitely
those
are
our
big
goals,
as
we
seek
to
to
figure
out
what
to
do
about
our
aging
parking
garage.
So
I
don't
know
if
anyone,
maybe
the
maybe
the
thing
to
do
is
to
to
move
the
resolution
and
second
it
and
then
we
can
open
up
the
discussion
for
questions
and
comments.
So
is
there?
C
Is
there
a
motion
on
the
resolution
itself
moved
by
laura
seconded
by
steve
discussion,
any
questions
for
nells
or
for
the
project
team?
I
saw
laura
had
her
hand
up.
E
Thank
you,
seth
yeah.
I
did
have
one
friendly
amendment
to
the
resolution
in
our
packet
and
it
is
in
the
fifth
whereas
and
has
to
do
with
a
deadline,
an
expiration.
This
is
whereas
the
dda
expires
as
written.
It
says
january,
31st
2020.
In
fact,
as
we
see
later
in
the
documents,
the
expiration
is
actually
february.
1
2022
and
I
had
shared
that
with
nels
ahead
of
time.
C
H
X
The
this
agreement
is
subject
to
a
common
council
approved
lease
agreement
which
has
not
been
developed
in
final
detail.
Yet
so
that's
an
issue
that
could
still
be
addressed.
My
expectation
is
that
that
it
will
be
similar
to
the
discussions
we've
had
with
casino
for
the
center
and
center
sections
of
the
garage
in
which
the
property
owner
is
not
interested
in
maintaining
the
garage
it
would
be.
You
know
the
city
would
be
operating
leasing,
the
garage
operating
the
garage
setting
the
parking
rates
and
maintaining
the
garage.
X
There
may
be
some
issues
about
warranties
and
you
know
quality.
You
know,
structural
elements
that
would
fall
outside
of
that,
but
by
and
large
the
expectation
is
that
the
city
would
maintain
it.
The
alternative
is
that
there
would
be
a
higher
lease
rate.
If
we
ask
the
owner
to
you,
know
fulfill
some
of
those
obligations
over
a
30-year
period.
H
All
right,
can
you
confirm,
I
believe
the
agreement
stated,
but
could
you
just
confirm
that
the
prevailing
wage
requirements
will
will
be
retained
for
this
developer.
X
There
is
a
clause
in
the
agreement
that
they
have
to
meet
the
prevailing
wage
requirements
for
construction
labor
on
the
project
unless
they
get
an
explicit
approval
from
the
department
of
labor
that
this
project
is
not
subject
to
that
requirement.
H
X
The
ithaca
urban
renewal
agency
will
enter
into
an
affordability
agreement
with
the
developer
so
that
that
would
be
the
the
agency
will
be
executing
an
agreement
with
the
developer
for
a
30-year
time
period
to
meet
the
affordability
requirements.
X
The
project
will
include
ten
percent
on-site
as
well
of
of
below
market
rate
housing,
so
the
the
ida's
goal.
Our
goal
was
twenty
percent
at
the
ithaca
urban
renewal
agency
of
below
market
rate
housing
and
that
will
be
satisfied
with
10
percent
on
site
and
a
and
a
in
lieu
payment
of
10
percent,
an
in-law
payment
of
500
000
to
meet
the
other
10
percent.
Pursuant
to
the
ida's
workforce.
Housing
policy.
X
X
As
long
as
the
return
on
the
cash
and
cash
return
of
the
developer
is
8
or
more
so
they
they
will
still
have
to
show
us
that
they're
not
making
more
than
eight
percent
on
cash
and
cash
return
if
they
are
they'll,
have
to
increase
the
10
on-site
housing
upwards
until
they're.
At
that
limit.
C
C
C
C
X
The
they
it
would
it's
a
little
more
complicated
straight,
a
straight
answer.
The
parking
agreement
will
survive
the
conveyance
of
the
property
and
the
city's
operation
of
the
garage
will
still
maintain
that.
However,
we're
in
negotiations
with
the
marriott
to
re
to
amend
that
agreement
and
replace
it
they
are
seeking
to
have.
X
They
currently
have
90
spaces
designated
for
shared
use
between
their
hotel
gas
and
short-term
hourly
parking
by
the
public,
and
they
pay
a
rate
based
on
90
parking
spaces,
among
the
same
monthly
rate
that
the
public
pays
for
a
monthly
parking
pass
for
those
90
spaces.
They've
observed
that
they
don't
act,
their
guests,
don't
actually
use
90
spaces
on
a
regular
basis.
They
use
closer
to
55
and
we're
negotiating
amendments
to
reduce
that
down
to
55
parking
spaces.
X
That
agreement
would
come
back
to
common
council
for
your
review
if,
if
it,
if
we
get
to
a
point
where
both
parties
are
recommending
approval
for
that,
but
in
any
event
the
hotel
parking
agreement
currently
in
place
unless
there's
a
change
would
survive
the
conveyance.
G
Yeah,
I'm
a
little
confused
about
a
lot
of
things,
but
it's
my
understanding
that
that
fencing
has
already
gone
up
for
this
site
and
that
there's
already
a
site
plan.
G
X
Yeah,
the
project
site-
that's
under
consideration
for
sale
to
the
developer
is
the
air
rights
above
the
eastern
section
of
the
garage.
The
developer
also
owns
215
east
state
street,
the
the
rothschild
building
that
comes
out
to
the
commons.
So
it's
technically
not
part
of
the
conveyance,
that's
an
operating
building
on
the
commons,
but
it
will
be
joy,
joined
together.
Basically,
with
this
project,
they'll
be
coordinated
and
connected
all
the
way
through
between
green
and
state
street.
G
C
You
other
comments,
laura.
E
Yes,
thank
you
just
as
follow-up
to
donna's
comment
and
some
of
us
have
heard
from
one
of
the
business
owners
adjacent
to
this
project.
I
would
once
again
encourage
the
developer
to
share
information
and
progress
reports
with
the
city
also
with
the
local
businesses,
the
businesses
that
are
on
the
commons,
so
that
it's
transparent
what
work
is
taking
place
when
and
how
it
might
impact
local
businesses.
E
So
that's
just
a
comment
and
a
encouragement
for
the
developer
to
be
open
in
communication
with
the
city
on
progress
reports,
but
also
with
local
businesses.
C
Any
other
comments
on
this,
so
this
will
go
to
the
january
council
meeting,
so
it's
been
moved
and
seconded
all
those
in
favor
any
opposing
that
carries
you
namelessly,
thank
you
and
thank
you
especially
to
nels,
who
has
done
yeoman's
work
on
putting
this
all
together
and
shepherding
it
forward
and
to
the
ira
committee.
C
I
know
laura
is
a
member
really
appreciate
all
the
hard
work
that's
been
put
into
to
bring
this
project
forward,
it's
a
big,
very
transformative
project
for
for
downtown
and
certainly
serves
a
very
important
purpose
and
helping
us
rebuild
our
parking
garage
and
get
affordable
housing
in
the
core
of
downtown.
So
thank
you.
C
I
think
the
last
single
agenda
is
the
cass
park.
Mountain
bike
resolution.
E
Are
we
also
five
e
is
rescind
the.
C
Yes,
I'm
sorry,
I
skipped
one
so
thanks
and
I
guess
we
could
do
the
same
here.
We
have
a
resolution
in
the
packet
from
nells.
Someone
want
to
move
the
resolution
moved
by
laura
seconded
by
cynthia
any
discussion.
I
really
appreciated
reading
through
the
minutes
and
the
ancient
history
and
the
votes
on
this
project.
Before
my
time
it
seems
like
it
was
pretty
contentious,
essentially
nells.
What
we're
trying
to
do
here
is
rescind
the
designated
developer
status,
because
we
have
multiple.
X
And
we
just
wanted
to
be
clear
that
there's
no,
nobody
has
a
leg
up
on
other
developers
based
on
a
2006
or
2007
designation.
C
Me
and.
C
You
next
up
is
the
cass
park.
Mountain
bike
trail
resolution.
C
We
this
was
in
the
committee
last
month
and
we
we
waited
a
month
tabled
it,
because
there
was
a
request
for
some
more
just
to
take
a
little
more
time
on
this
and
just
make
sure
that
all
the
different
parties
that
were
impacted
could
weigh
in.
I
know
that
this
was
circulated
and
did
we
receive
I.
I
saw
a
few
comments
that
all
seemed
positive.
C
And
I
know
donald
federer
is
here:
if
anyone
has
any
questions
about
this,
I'm
not
a
mountain
biker,
but
I
generally
support.
I
support
this.
I
think
it's
great
to
add
a
resource
for
mountain
bikers
downtown.
I
know
we
do
have
a
lot
of
great
mountain
biking
trails
outside
of
the
city.
I
think
somebody
mentioned
shindegan
at
last
month's
meeting,
but
you
know
I
think
it's
great
to
have
opportunities
for
mountain
bikers
on
cass
park.
E
Yeah,
thank
you.
I
counted
up
ten
people
who
were
supportive
of
this.
We
have
one
who
is
not
supportive
of
of
this
in
terms
of
those
who
are
supporting.
E
One
email
of
support
came
from
megan
powers,
who
is
the
vice
chair
of
matcom
and
another
letter
of
support
from
monica
roth,
who
is
the
chair
of
the
parks,
commission,
pruners,
commission
and
I
think
pruner's
just
met-
I
I
think
she
said
last
night
and
that
jean
grace
and
jim
delterio
were
at
that
meeting.
So
one
of
the
concerns
we
had
the
last
time
we
spoke
about
this
or
the
first
time
we
spoke
about.
E
G
I
wanted
to
note
that
dave
nutter,
I
thought,
wrote
a
very
thoughtful
and
sensitive
letter.
He
was
concerned
about
the
loss
of
habitat
for
birds
and
some
plantings.
He
was
concerned
about
erosion
because
it's
a
wetland
and
I
think
it
was
a
very,
as
I
said,
very
sensitive
letter
very
thorough,
and
it
gave
me
pause,
but
I
I
think
the
park
as
distinguished
from
a
natural
area
should
serve
recreational
purposes,
and
this
is
one
area
when
this
is
one
place
where
we
can
expand
the
outdoor
recreational
opportunities
in
the
city.
G
So
I
think
I
still
continue
to
support
it,
but
I
wanted
to
acknowledge
that
he
raised
legitimate
concerns
that
should
be
given
some
consideration,
and
I
appreciate
his
continued
interest
in
so
many
things
in
the
city
and
is
speaking
up
about
natural
areas
in
his
very
informed
way.
G
H
Did
you
have
a
comment?
Yes,
so?
Yes,
I
am
also
a
liaison
to
the
parks,
recreation
and
natural
areas
committee.
So
we
had
a
very
nice
conversation
with
regards
to
this.
There
was,
as
as
mentioned,
general
support.
It
is
some
of
the
concerns
that
had
previously
been
discussed
with
regards
to
impact
to
trees.
Gene
grace
had
a
chance
to
look
at
it
and
determine
that
the
way
the
design
is
proposed,
it
would
go
around
the
existing
trees.
H
There
might
be
one
or
two
dead
trees
that
would
need
to
be
removed
in
order
to
to
make
the
trap
usable,
but
that
would
not
be
a
concern.
The
one
of
the
you
know,
overlying
concerns
has
to
do
with
funding
for
for
ongoing
maintenance
of
the
of
the
track.
H
K
Trump
are
able
to
answer
sure.
I
think
I
can
answer
that.
Essentially,
most
of
the
maintenance
will
be
done
by
cycle
cny
volunteers.
Essentially,
that's
going
to
be
clearing
brush
and
not
taking
any
sort
of
debris
outside
around
where
we
would
be
riding
any
sort
of
features
that
are
there
that
need
maintenance.
We
would
work
on
that
as
well
we're
trying
to
minimize
any
sort
of
cost
to
the
city
into
the
parks
department.
K
That
was
one
of
the
things
that
jen
was
stressed
with
us
and
I
don't
really
expect
any
sort
of
real
expense
for
the
park,
and
if
we
were
to
do
something
that
required
some
money,
I
think
we
would
do
some
fundraising
from
within
cycle
cny.
H
C
E
Yeah,
I'm
sorry,
I
did
have
one
more
question
and
it
might
have
actually
been
in
dave's
email
that
he
asked
this.
I
didn't
see
the
information
on
the
width
of
the
trail.
K
We
try
to
make
them
as
narrow
as
possible.
I
would
say,
probably
on
the
order
of
two
to
four
feet,
depending
on
the
area
and
what
we're
working
with.
If
there
is
something
that
is
more
advanced,
that
we
that
they're
going
to
ride
over,
we
need
to
have
more
width,
so
somebody
can
ride
around
it.
But
essentially
these
trails
are
going
to
be
the
width
of
a
normal
walking
trail,
maybe
a
little
bit
less
at
times.
K
C
Thanks
any
further
discussion,
have
we
moved
this
yet
do
we
need
to
move
it?
Yes,
sir
see
steve's
hand
is
creeping
up.
Second,
advice,
cynthia,
all
those
in
favor
and
that
carries
unanimously.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Donal
appreciate
you
coming
tonight.
C
Holidays,
happy
holidays,
and
next
is
the
minutes.
C
Did
we
actually
get
the
minutes?
Okay,
I
don't
think
we
got
them.
Actually,
I
think
it
said
said
under
separate
cover
on
the
agenda,
but
we
might
have
to
hold
off
on
the
minutes.
C
It
sounds
like
she's
she's
got
audio
we'll
have
to,
I
guess,
revisit
the
minutes
next
month.
F
C
Okay,
is
there
a
motion
to
adjourn
moved
by
laura
seconded
by
steve,
wow
yeah?
Well,
then,.
F
I
just
want
to
give
a
shout
out
to
marissa
lansing
and
sunrise
ithaca.
I
did
contact
marissa
and
just
ask
her
to
ask
everyone
who's,
very
passionate
about
the
green
building
policy
to
be
as
brief
as
they
could
and
still
get
their
point
across,
and-
and
I
was
really
appreciative
that.