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We
can
just
do
a
quick
round
of
of
introductions,
I'm
seth
merza.
I
represent
the
second
ward
and
chair
of
the
committee,
we're
joined
by
donna
fleming
from
the
third
ward,
laura
lewis,
from
the
fifth
ward,
steve
smith,
from
the
fourth
ward,
cynthia
brock
from
the
first
ward
and
joanne
cornish,
our
planning
director.
D
So
we'll
start
off
with
any
changes
to
the
agenda.
I
don't
believe
there
were
any
so
seeing
none.
The
first
first
thing
on
our
agenda
is
public
comment
and
I
do
believe
there
are
some
folks
that
are
signed
up
to
speak.
Is
that
right,
joanne.
D
Okay,
just
so
folks
know
it's
the
the
rules.
Are
you
get
three
minutes
to
speak
and
you'll
get
a
warning
when
there's
a
minute
left.
C
E
All
right,
so
I'm
celia,
I
am
with
sunrise
ithaca.
I
work
in
ithaca
with
developmentally
disabled
population,
we're
at
a
point
in
history
where
we
have
all
these
interlocking
crises,
climate
crisis,
racial
justice,
crisis,
economic
crisis.
They
demand
attention
now
and
that
need
for
change.
E
Gives
us
all
this
incredible
opportunity,
we're
all
agents
in
how
this
story
plays
out
it's
it's
our
moral
imperative
to
use
whatever
tools
we
have
available
to
us
to
build
a
society.
That's
just
and
livable,
and
policy
making
is
a
pretty
powerful
tool
and
as
the
public
we're
here
tonight,
using
our
voices,
which
are
our
tools
to
empower
you
to
use
your
power
as
policy.
E
Speakers
to
act
to
the
full
extent
of
your
ability
and
act
to
create
that
just
and
livable
future
we're
witness
to
the
snowballing
of
the
climate
crisis
we're
sort
of
at
the
beginning
and
we're
already
committed
to
increasing
damage
right.
We
all
know
that,
but
we
do
have
agency
in
determining
how
far
we
let
it
go.
Natural
gas
has
no
place
in
the
green
building
policy.
We
fought
so
hard
to
ban
fracking
in
new
york.
We
worked
our
butts
off
and
we
are
doing
the
thing
where
we're.
E
We're
being
hypocritical
and
continuing
to
allow
harm
to
occur,
to
our
neighbors
just
to
the
south,
in
pennsylvania
and
to
all
of
us
collectively,
of
course,
so
we
can
be
on
the
front
line
of
the
wave.
With
this
we
can
be
on
the
front
of
this
wave,
because
in
a
decade
requirements
for
fossil
fuel
free
development
will
just
be
the
norm.
E
F
E
Fact,
because
of
our
position
and
leverage
as
a
city,
it
is
our
duty
to
be
out
on
the
front
of
that
curve
and
in
the
same
way,
so
that
I
guess
that's
my
request
for
that's.
My
main
request
is
no
natural
gas
in
this
green
building
policy
and
second,
we
need
to
recognize
that
this
green
building
policy
is
just
the
very
first.
E
Baby
step
in
our
commitment
to
a
green
new
deal,
is
it
committed
to
green
new
deal,
which
includes
social
justice
measures
and
because
all
of
these
crises
that
we're
facing
are
so
interlocked,
we
need
to
do
a
lot
of
reflection
on
how
our
social
policies
all
contribute
and
compound
these
interlocking
crises.
So
there
must
be
language
that
contextualizes
the
green
building
policy
within
a
greater
social
justice.
C
D
G
Great,
thank
you.
Thank
you
for
your
time
this
evening.
Yeah,
my
name
is
hannah.
I
live
in
the
fourth
ward
and
I'm
also
going
to
be
discussing
the
green
building
policy,
so
I
I
saw
in
this
policy
that
fossil
fuel
energy
project.
G
G
Difficulties
but
it's
figured
it
out,
so,
as
I
was
saying,
I
found
the
policy
that
the
fossil
fuel
energy
projects
can
qualify
for
points
under
the
custom
energy
improvement
category,
since
these
buildings
are
going
to
be
in
use
in
2030.
Most
likely
it
doesn't
seem
like
this
policy
is
in
line
with
our
goal
of
2030
carbon
neutrality.
G
C
Okay,
let's
see
next
we're
gonna
bring
in
zazu.
C
I
Get
situated
but
yeah
hi
everybody
thanks
for
having
me
my
name's
zazu,
I'm
an
organizer
at
climate,
justice,
cornell,
and
I'm
here
representing
climate
justice
cornell
today,
so
cjc
has
been
engaging
with
the
city's
green
new
deal
since
it
was
passed
in
2019
and-
and
we
just
want
to
make
sure
that
the
version
of
the
green
building
policy
that
goes
into
effect
is
just
and
equitable.
I
So
cjc
strongly
supports
sunrise's
policy
recommendations
which
I
believe
rebecca
submitted
via
email
and,
and
I
think
she'll
be
speaking
on
later
now.
While
we
support
all
of
sunrise's
recommendations,
I'm
just
gonna
speak
briefly
on
two
recommendations
that
we
feel
strongly
about.
I
So
in
particular,
we
really
feel
that
we
need
to
raise
the
minimum
number
of
points
required
for
develop
development
from
six,
maybe
to
ten
or
twelve
new
buildings
need
to
lead
the
way
towards
our
goal
of
carbon
neutrality
by
2030,
and
we
worried
that
the
six
point
minimum
is
kind
of
a
handout
to
developers.
I
We're
also
specific.
We
also
specifically
want
to
elevate
sunrise's
recommendation
that
a
no
fossil
fuel
prerequisite
be
included
for
all
custom
energy
points.
I
So
my
understanding
is
that
in
the
latest
draft
the
prerequisite
has
been
removed,
and
I
just
don't
see
how
this
is
in
line
with
our
goals
of
carbon
neutrality
by
2030,
since
the
new
fossil
fuel,
heating
or
other
structures
will
likely
still
be
in
use
in
in
nine
years.
So,
overall,
you
know
cjc's
really
thrilled
to
see
movement
on
this
policy.
I
It's
been
a
long
time,
but
you
know
we
just
wanted
to
raise
some
specific
concerns
and,
as
we
continue
with
the
green
pill,
building
policy,
we
just
want
to
remember
that
an
energy
code
alone
doesn't
ensure
that
a
building's
production
meets
our
values
of
climate
justice
and
committing
to
a
green
policy
building
policy.
That's
really
compliant
with
the
city's
grand
new
deal
requires
additional
policy
to
ensure
strong
labor
standards,
community
input
and
development,
affordable
housing
and
building
accessibility.
I
So
we
just
kind
of
wanted
to
air
that
that
final
point
just
that,
we
need
to
be
thinking
holistically
about
not
just
the
sustainability
implementation
implications
of
the
green
new
deal,
but
you
know
also
also
the
social
ones
but
yeah.
Thank
you
for
your
time
and
I
appreciate
your
service.
C
Thank
you,
okay,
so.
C
Steph
got
booted,
let's
see.
D
C
C
D
G
K
All
right,
so
my
name
is
chelsea.
I
live
in
the
second
ward.
K
However,
I
feel
like
the
green
building
policy
in
its
current
state,
doesn't
really
address
either
of
those
issues
sufficiently.
New
buildings
are
still
allowed
to
use
fossil
fuels,
which
doesn't
push
us
closer
to
carbon
neutrality.
They
can
get
buildings
for
following
the.
They
can
get
points.
Sorry
for
following
the
new
york
stretch
code,
instead
of
just
making
that
default
that
all
new
buildings
should
be
following.
K
I'm
also
saddened
to
see
that
this
policy
doesn't
really
make
true
on
its
goal
of
trying
to
reduce
inequality.
I
think
that
we
have
to
have
something
in
there.
That's
going
to
actually
make
sure
that
all
communities
are
seeing
the
benefits,
as
the
green
new
deal
sets
out
to
do.
I'm
also
just
concerned,
as
other
people
have
voiced,
that
you
only
need
six
points
and
increasing
that
I
think
would
be
beneficial
to
actually
meeting
our
goals
of
this
policy
so
yeah.
K
K
C
L
L
Regarding
the
green
building
policy
summaries,
it
has
been
working
diligently
to
fairly
review
the
newest
version
of
the
energy
code
supplement
in
a
way
that
acknowledges
both
the
urgency
with
which
we
must
eliminate
greenhouse
gas
emissions
here
and
globally,
and
the
need
to
swiftly
adopt
on
the
iecs
intensity
code
and
outside
we've
developed
a
list
of
recommendations
that
we
urge
the
pedc
to
consider.
L
We
believe
that
these
recommendations
are
fair
and
can
be
reasonably
adopted
within
the
existing
green
building
policy
timeline.
Our
recommendations
are
as
follows:
one
increase
points
required
for
development
from
six
to
twelve
two
includes
some
narrative
or
framing
on
the
climate
crisis
and
additional
equity
justice
framing
in
previous
versions.
Mention
of
the
climate
crisis
was
included,
but
for
some
reason
that
has
since
been
removed
sunrise,
it
has
also
provided
some
potential
language
that
could
be
used
as
a
resource
as
well.
We
provided
that
via
email,
three.
L
L
Five
eliminate
that
six
month,
grace
period
for
adoption,
six
require
an
independent
review
of
all
documentation
and
reporting
and,
lastly,
seven
require
every
new
building
meet
the
standards
of
the
new
york
stretch
code,
as
I'm
sure
you've
noticed
sunrise.
It
remains
committed
to
the
targets
and
principles
of
the
green
new
deal
and
we're
extremely
grateful
to
the
pedcb
for
your
consideration.
C
That's
all
we
had
signed
up
for
public
comment.
D
Okay,
I
had
one
person
who
explicitly
asked
me
to
read
out
their
statement.
D
It's
katie,
sims
and
katie
writes
I'm
a
member
of
ithaca
hub
of
the
sunrise
movement
and
I'm
commenting
in
support
of
all
the
demands
the
organization
has
made.
I
think
the
outline
demands
make
the
policy
much
stronger,
put
us
on
a
reasonable
path
to
carbon
neutrality.
It
has
become
so
feasible
to
electrify
and
move
away
from
fossil
fuels.
That
taking
baby
steps
is
unnecessary
and
considering
the
pace
of
climate
change
unacceptable.
D
This
is
the
time
to
take
big
steps
to
challenge
developers
to
create
buildings
that
actually
build
a
city
that
lives
up
to
our
values.
Six
points
isn't
a
challenge
and
it
won't
create
buildings
that
will
be
carbon
neutral
by
2030,
as
this
city
is
committed
to,
we
need
more
points,
speedy
implementation
and
to
revise
the
point
system
to
do
away
with
points
that
don't
actually
confer
a
building
being
green
and
I'll.
D
Just
I
should
just
say
that
we
haven't
had
a
number
of
written
comments
that
that
reflected
the
bullet
points
that
rebecca
listed
in
her
last
comment.
Moving
the
six
points
to
12
points,
improving
the
framing
and
mentioning
climate
change,
and
some
of
the
other,
the
other
issues
that
she
mentioned
most
of
the
emails
that
we
received
kind
of
echoed
those
points.
D
So
just
wanted
to
mention
that,
because
I
realized
you
know
they,
they
didn't
necessarily
ask
to
be
read
out,
and
I
think
if
we
read
all
of
them
out,
we
would
be
here
until
four
in
the
morning.
So
I
just
wanted
to
mention
that
that
we
have
received
a
number
of
emails
today
on
this
topic.
So
with
that
I'll
ask
if
there's
any
response
from
committee
members
to
the
public
comment.
J
D
I
mean
we
could
mention
the
comment
he
said
earlier,
which
memory
recalls
was
to
for
any
development
that
this
board
is
approving.
We
have
to
improve,
communicate
with
any
affected
property
owners
or
business
owners
that
could
be
affected
by
the
development.
That
was
the
gist
of
the
email
that
we
received
earlier
so
with
that
is.
Is
there
any
response
from
committee
members.
D
Get
to
the
topic?
Okay!
So
with
that
the
next
item
in
our
agenda
is
announcements:
do
we
have
any?
Oh?
Actually?
No,
we
have
a
special
order
of
business.
This
is
a
public
hearing
green
street
garage
urban
renewal
project.
D
I
don't
believe
there
was
anyone
here
to
speak
on
a
topic,
but
we
were
legally
required
to
do
this,
so
why
don't
we
go
ahead
and
move
that
public
hearing?
Is
there
a
motion
to
open
the
public
hearing,
move
by
cynthia
seconded
by
steve,
all
in
favor
of
opening
the
public
hearing
and
that
carries
unanimously?
D
So,
as
I
said,
we
didn't
get
any
comment
on
that,
but
I
still
look
for
a
motion
to
close
the
public
hearing
moved
by
laura
seconded
by
cynthia
all
in
favor
of
closing
the
public
hearing
and
that
carries
unanimously.
So
next
up
there
is
announcements.
I
don't
know
if
we
had
any
and
now
we
don't
have
any
listed
in
the
agenda,
but
I.
D
A
good
time
just
to
like
mention
the
the
the
whole
council
development
101.
C
Yeah
and
that's
what
I
was
just
going
to
say
yeah
we
several
years
ago,
we
did
sort
of
an
informational
session
for
common
council
kind
of
economic
development
101
just
to
go
over
some
of
the
terms
and
ideas
of
return
on
investment,
and
so
we
thought
that,
probably
after
april
15
tax
day,
we've
got
a
lot
of
things
on
the
agenda.
C
But
sometime
in
the
spring,
we'd
like
to
do
just
sort
of
a
information
session
on
economic
development
and
share
with
council
and
also
have
you
share
with
us
questions.
You
may
have
about
certain
things:
we'd
like
it
to
just
be
an
open
dialogue,
but
but
one
that
may
be
helpful
to
you
as
you
consider
projects.
D
Thanks,
jordan,
okay,
any
other
announcements,
all
right,
so
first
action
item
we
have
is
the
authorization
for
the
mayor
to
execute
an
inner
municipal
agreement
regarding
historic
preservation
staff
services.
So
this
is
an
intermunicipal
agreement
between
the
town
of
ithaca
and
the
city
of
ithaca,
and
I
believe
brian
is
here
to
address
this.
D
There's
a
there's,
a
nice
memo
from
brian
in
there
and
a
resolution.
So
why
don't
we
go
ahead
and
move
the
resolution
and
then,
if
we
have
any
discussion
we
can
do
that.
Is
there
a
motion
on
the
resolution
moved
by
laura
seconded
by
donna
any
discussion
or
questions
for
brian.
O
Thanks
chef
and
thanks
brian
for
providing
the
information,
I
did
have
a
question
about
the
future
membership
of
the
joint
city
in
town
of
it's
the
landmarks
preservation
commission.
Can
you
share
some
thoughts
on
who
would
comprise
that
commission
and
what
the
voting
rights
would
be
on,
for
example,
city,
specific
projects.
F
F
Who
is
the
supervisor
for
the
town
about
what
an
ideal
composition
would
be
and
and
for
me
I
think,
that's
keeping
it
under
10
members,
ideally
nine,
so
that
there's
rarely
a
thai
vote
and
then
having
at
least
three
members
from
the
city,
at
least
three
members
from
the
town
and
then
having
three
members
that
have
expertise
in
historic
preservation
that
could
be
either
town,
city
or
other
municipality
residents,
because
it
is
sometimes
difficult
to
fill
those
positions.
F
There's
a
requirement
now
to
have
three
individuals
with
with
training
in
historic
preservation,
architecture,
landscape
architecture,
architectural
history,
there's
a
list
of
items
and
sometimes
it's
difficult
to
find
people
that
can
fill
those
positions
from
within
the
city.
And
so
we
we
often
look
outside
of
the
city
for
that
expertise.
D
P
Is
this
coming
about
from
the
feeling
that
there
are
large
areas
of
in
need
of
historic
preservation
in
the
town.
F
So
the
town
feels
that
they
do.
They
do
have
some
historic
resources
that
they
would
like
to
protect.
One
that
that
is
mentioned
frequently
is
forest
home.
It's
a
national
registered
historic
district,
but
without
the
local
protection
property
owners
are
allowed
to
to
modify
their
their
buildings
without
some
type
of
oversight,
to
make
sure
that
the
alterations
are
appropriate.
F
A
lot
of
the
discussion
about
creating
a
landmark's
ordinance
in
the
town
stemmed
from
a
greek
revival
house
that
was
purchased
by
a
developer
and
the
building
was
slated
for
demolition
and
the
lot
subdivided
into
three
smaller
parcels
for
student
housing
projects,
and
there
was
a
groundswell
of
people
that
felt
that
that
building
should
be
saved
and
it
was
eventually
moved.
But
that
was
really
the
impetus
behind
it.
They,
the
town,
feels
they
have
historic
resources
that
are
worthy
of
protection
and
would
like
to
find
a
way
to
make
that
happen.
D
M
Is
so
is
the
vision
that
you
or
whoever
your
successor
might
be
would
jointly
serve
the
city
and
the
town
much
like
nick
does
in
in
his
role.
F
That
that
is
the
I
think,
the
vision
right
nick's
position
is
pretty
balanced.
He
spit
he
splits
his
time.
50
50.,
it's
probably
not
going
to
be
an
equal
split
for
the
historic
preservation
position,
just
because
the
city,
you
know,
for
the
foreseeable
future,
we'll
have
far
more
desert
locally
designated
historic
resources
than
the
town.
But
you
know,
maybe
in
15
or
20
years
it
would
be
a
more
equal
balance,
but
for
right
now
it
that's
kind
of
the
vision
is,
is
a
split
of
time,
but
not
an
equal
split.
Q
Yeah
thanks
for
bringing
this
friend
I
I
guess
the
the
only
question
I
really
have
is:
do
you
feel
like
there's
a
way
to
accommodate
this
without
impacting
the
services
that
the
the
city
receives,
or
that
the
the
amount
of
work
you're
able
to
do
for
the
the
city.
F
Absolutely
I
do
think
you
know
my
my
schedule
is
is
always
full,
but
I
think
it's
a
great
opportunity
to
collaborate
with
the
town,
and
you
know
they're
with
with
using
the
same
commission
or
you
know
it,
there
is
a
lot
of
overlap.
That
would,
you
know,
would
be
time
saving
if
we're.
If
I'm
hosting
one
meeting
a
month,
it
makes
the
the
preparation
just
slightly
more
than
I
already
do
so
I
do
think
I
don't
think
I'm
sorry.
M
Okay,
so
the
the
draft
mou
is
currently
being
reviewed
by
the
town's
attorney
and
there
could
be
some
minor
nod.
Non-Substantive
changes,
so
the
there
should
be
a,
whereas
that
says,
whereas
this
draft
memorandum
of
agreement
is
currently
under
review
by
council
for
the
town
of
ithaca.
Now,
therefore,
be
it
resolved
that
the
committee
recommends
to
common
council
authorizing
the
mayor
to
execute
the
inter-municipal
agreement
regarding
historic
preservation
staff
services,
including
any
non-substantive
changes
that
may
result
from
the
documents
review
by
the
town
of
ithaca's
attorney.
D
Okay,
are
we
ready
to
vote
on
this
any
other
discussion,
all
right,
ready
to
vote
all
those
in
favor
aye
and
that
carries
unanimously
thanks
fran,
although
you're
up
for
the
next
one
too,
so
so
next
up
is
the
certified
local
government
subgrant
authorization
to
apply.
D
So
this
is
a
resolution
to
support
a
grant
that
would
support
a
conference.
Is
that
correct?
I
don't
know.
If
maybe
you
want
to
say
a
little
bit
about
what
the
conference
is
and
then
we
can
move
it.
F
Absolutely
so,
each
year
the
landmark
society
of
western
new
york
hosts
a
statewide
historic
preservation
conference.
It
gathers
you
know:
preservation
professionals,
elected
officials,
community
and
economic
developers
from
all
over
the
state
for
a
three-day
conference.
F
There
are
training
sessions,
information
sessions
on
best
practices
for
historic
preservation,
what's
new
and
changing
in
the
field,
and
it's
a
great
networking
opportunity,
and
so
the
the
landmark
society
of
western
new
york
each
year
partners
with
a
community
to
host
the
the
conference
and
usually
the
host
community,
is
both
the
financial
host
as
well
as
the
physical
host.
Last
year,
the
conference
was
supposed
to
be
held
in
syracuse
and
at
the
syracuse
hotel
and
because
of
the
pandemic
it
was
held
virtually
this
year.
F
The
conference
will
be
held
virtually
again
and
the
landmark
society
was
looking
for
a
partner
that
they
could,
one
that
had
an
established
preservation
program
that
was
well
respected
and
two
they
felt
the
staff
there
would
be
responsive
and
helpful
with
the
project.
So
they
approached
me
and
I
thought
it
was
a
great
idea.
F
It
was
a
great
opportunity
to
promote
what
ithaca
is
doing
to
preserve
its
historic
resources,
and
I
I
agreed
to
bring
it
to
council
for
review,
so
the
grant
would
be
used
to
fund
the
conference
sessions,
the
keynote
speaker
and
scholarships
for
certified
local
government
communities,
some
of
their
commission
members
and
and
elected
officials,
city
and
city
elected
officials,
as
well
as
our
commission
members
and
some
other
residents
throughout
the
state.
It's
it's
hopefully
going
to
fund
around
100
conference
attendees,
usually
there's
between
400
and
500
attendees
to
this
conference.
F
The
the
certified
local
government
grant
is
one
that
we're
eligible
for
because
we
are
a
certified
local
government
and
the
funds
are
100
reimbursable,
so
the
the
city
would
have
to
front
the
money,
but
all
of
our
expenses
would
be
reimbursed.
There
is
no
local
match
and
with
our
partnership
with
the
landmark
society,
there
would
be
very
little
work
on
our
end.
Apart
from
some,
you
know,
accounting
work
as
well
as
some
reporting
work.
For
me,
great.
D
Thank
you
seems
straightforward
enough.
Is
there
a
motion
on
the
resolution
moved
by
laura
second
by
cynthia
any
any
discussion
on
this
sounds
like
a
great
opportunity,
donna.
M
Yeah,
it's
funny
to
think
about
planning
not
hosting
a
different
sense
of
hosting
for
a
conference,
but
who
would
manage
the
technology.
F
So
there
is
a
private
technology
company
that
would
that
handles
the
the
all
aspects
of
the
virtual
conference
they
used.
I
forget
the
company's
name
last
year,
but
they
handled
you
know
all
of
the
sessions
coordinated
with
the
speakers.
I
was
actually
speaker
last
year
and
I
can
say
that
the
the
company
that
they
used
was
seamless
for
both
the
speakers
and
the
participants
in
the
conference.
O
Laura
thanks
and
thanks
once
again,
brian
happy
to
hear
that
you
were
a
speaker
last
year
and
happy
that
you've
brought
this
forward.
I
think
it's
a
great
way
to
promote
the
work.
The
very
good
work
that
staff
in
the
city
of
ithaca
are
doing
it's
a
great
opportunity.
I
I
think
it's
terrific,
so
I'm
all
for
it.
F
Yes,
yeah
there
there's
the
the
planners
and
organizers
felt
one
we're
applying
for
for
funding
now,
and
the
cost
of
hosting
a
virtual
conference
is
is
far
less
than
hosting
an
in-person
conference.
So
there
are
budgetary
issues
that
need
to
be
ironed
out
before
before
we
apply
for
the
grant,
and
so
one
of
them
was
whether
it
was
going
to
be
virtual
or
not,
and
there
was
no
certainty
that
hosting
a
conference
in
person
would
be
practical
in
november.
So
we
decided
to
go
with
virtual.
D
All
right,
so
it's
been
moved
and
seconded
any
further
discussion,
all
those
in
favor
and
that
carries
unanimously.
Thank
you,
brian
great.
D
So
next
up,
we
have
a
very
big
item.
This
is
the
disposition
and
development
agreement
for
the
west
and
center
sections
of
the
green
street
garage
mixed
use,
urban
renewal
project-
and
there
are
a
number
of
resolutions
tonight
under
this
the
category
of
the
green
street
garage
redevelopment.
This
first
one
is
the
dda.
D
You
know
that,
obviously,
we've
all
been
working
on
this
for
a
while,
now
common
council
identified
kind
of
tasked
the
ira
with
seeking
out
the
programmatic
elements
that
would
go
into
the
redevelopment
of
the
garage,
which
is
a
conference
center
housing
units
specifically
targeted
targeted
to
affordable
street
level,
active
uses
along
green
street
retention
of
the
cinemas
movie
theater
and
a
public
walkway
between
green
street
and
the
commons
at
least
450
parking
spaces
open
to
the
public,
of
which
at
least
90
will
be
available
for
short-term
parking.
D
You
know
the
common
council
kind
of
laid
that
out
as
the
as
the
guideline
iua
went
away
and
negotiated
this
and
has
come
up
with
this
dda
and
voted
conditionally
approved
a
revised
dda
in
november,
subject
to
common
council
approval
for
a
redevelopment,
a
project
that
includes
the
following
at
least
181
housing
units,
affordable
to
households,
earning
between
40
to
80
of
area,
median
income,
approximately
356,
new
and
refurbished
public
parking
spaces
located
in
the
center
section
of
the
garage,
a
49
000
square
foot
conference
center
with
street
level,
active
use,
2
000
square
feet
of
dpw
lease
space
for
the
city
of
ithaca
department
of
public
works,
retention
of
the
cinemapolis
movie
theater,
and
retention
and
improvement
of
the
public
pedestrian
connection
between
east
green
street
and
the
commons.
D
So
this
is
the
step
you
know
we
pass
it
at
the
committee
level.
It
will
go
on
to
common
council
for
the
full
full
approval.
So
we've
got
this
resolution
here,
maybe
maybe
the
best
way
to
handle
this
is
to
go
ahead
and
move
the
resolution,
and
then
we
can
open
it
up
to
discussion.
D
D
I
see
steve
so
any
any
discussion.
I
know
we're
probably
going
to
have
a
lot
of
questions
about
this,
and
nels
is
here
as
well
as
tom,
as
well
as
representatives
from
the
project
team,
and
I
know
all
everybody
has
been
working
on
this
for
a
very
long
time.
So
there's
a
lot
of
very
complicated
details
in
this
negotiation.
D
O
Thanks
jeff
nels,
I
I
wonder
if
you
could
comment
on
the
reason
we're
seeing
this
revision
on
the
dda
in
the
document
in
the
resolution.
O
I'm
glad
there
has
been
this
negotiated
agreement
and
this
change,
but
it's
my
understanding
that
those
36
housing
units
or
some
such
number
of
affordable
housing
units
that
have
been
removed
from
the
vasino
project
will
possibly
be
incorporated
in
another
development
in
the
future.
So
we're
not
necessarily
losing
all
of
that
affordable
component.
Is
that
true.
R
That's
correct
we're
at
the
the
negotiation
with
the
adjacent
owners
of
the
herald
square
building
that
provided
the
expanded
space
between
the
two
buildings
did
have
a
second
component
to
it.
Bruce
adebiasi
from
facino
is
here
with
us.
If
we
want
to
get
in
look
take
a
look
at
that
separation,
distance
physically,
or
follow
up
on
more
details
about
this,
but
generally
speaking,
they
have
secured
an
option
agreement
to
acquire
a
an
area
of
land.
R
It's
sufficient
in
size
for
about
a
hundred
units
at
the
chain
work
site
when
that
becomes
available
for
development.
So
it's
both
of
them
are
very
excited
to
work
towards
a
second
project
at
the
chain
work
site
that
would
be
focused
on
affordable
housing,
maybe
as
many
as
a
hundred
units.
D
Any
other
questions
I
had
a
question
about.
I
sat
down
and
I'll
just
I'll
do
mine,
real,
quick
and
then
we'll
jump
to
donna
about
the
affordable
housing.
I
saw
that
the
housing
is
181
units
between
40
to
80
of
ami.
Is
there
do
we
know
what
the
breakdown
is
of
the
40
versus
50
percent.
R
Yes,
we
do,
it
should
be
in
the
term
sheet.
If
you
go
to
the
term
sheet
section
of
the
attachment
to
the
dda
and
I'm
trying
to
run
through
it
and
pull
it
up
right
now
as
we're
looking
at
it.
And
if
you
go
to
the
housing
component,
you
can
look
at
the
middle
of
the
page.
R
We
have
eight
percent
is
at
40
or
less
of
area
median
income
24
of
the
units
are
at
50
percent,
very
immediate
income,
47
had
60
percent
area
media
income
and
the
remaining
13
percent
at
80
area,
median
income.
So
there's
a
a
broad
spectrum
of
income
levels
here
designed
in
the
project
all
at
the
affordable
ranges.
D
M
No,
I
don't
have
a
question,
but
I
believe
that
I've
been
clear
and
honest
from
the
very
beginning
that
I
don't
support
the
conference
center
and
I
have
not
found
reasons
to
change
my
mind
and
so,
with
all
due
respect
to
people
who've
been
working
this
and
who,
who
see,
who
do
have
reasons
for
supporting
it.
I
I
can't
support
agreements
that
continue
to
plan
for
the
conference
center,
which
I
think
which
I've
always
thought
is
a
bad
idea.
Now,
I
think,
is
a
worse
idea
than
ever.
M
So
I'm
sorry,
but
I
won't
vote
for
this.
D
R
That's
correct
what
we,
what
we've
learned
from
the
state
of
new
york's
housing
finance
agency,
is
that
this
is
an
expensive
project
from
their
perspective,
it's
a
high-rise
urban
project
and
in
a
large
number
of
units
and
the
term
sheet
that
they
use
to
score
projects
and
pro
to
approve
them.
R
For
this
project
requires
subsidy
levels
above
their
normal
term
sheet
amounts
and
by
building
in
community
development
components
such
as
a
conference
center
it
it
makes
it
more
a
a
better
project
from
the
state's
perspective,
one
that
has
additional
advantages
and
allows
them
to
make
the
argument
that
it's
justified
to
have
higher
subsidy
per
unit
to
make
this
project
work.
M
Why
does
one
of
the
documents
have
a
clause
about
in
the
event
that
the
conference
center
is
abandoned,
then
this
space
will
be
used
for
9
000
feet
of
commercial
space
and
more
apartments?
Why
is
that
clause
still
in
there?
Then.
R
Well,
it's
a
is
a
fallback
plan
and
we
would
give
it
a
try
if
we
had
to
to
to
make
that
work,
but
it
loses
that
argument
that
it's
a
community
development
project
at
that
point
there
would
be
an
increased
number
of
housing
units
back
to
the
you
know
above
the
original
number,
which
does
help
spread
the
costs
among
our
units.
R
So
there
is,
you
know
some
mediating,
you
know,
impacts
on
it
would
reduce
the
per
unit
subsidy
to
some
degree,
but
it
would
ask
for
a
larger
amount
of
money
overall,
and
we
would
make
our
best
effort
to
try
to
make
that
argument.
But,
as
we've
gone
down
the
road
for
two
years
discussing
the
project
with
the
state
state
and
its
representatives,
it's
become
clear
that
there
needs
to
be
the
best
case
for
getting
the
financing
is
to
integrate
a
community
development
component
in
the
project.
P
P
My
biggest
concern,
obviously,
is
the
financial
guarantee
that
the
city
is
providing
for
the
30-year
debt
for
both
well,
mainly
for
the
conference
center.
P
P
I
still
think
that
that's
fairly
optimistic
during
that
six
year
recovery
period,
we
will
be
having
to
rely
on
tourism
income
or
our
hotel
income
to
pay
this
guarantee,
and
if
that
doesn't
result
there,
it
puts
additional
stress
on
our
community.
P
If
we
were
to
look
at
this
again
and
make
this
decision
now,
I
agree
with
donna.
I
would
have
preferred
to
have
these
resources
go
into
something
that
would
benefit
the
community
at
large.
For
example,
a
downtown
bus
depot.
P
So
I
also
have
very
specific
questions
about
the
agreements
themselves.
The
financing
that's
been
put
forward.
I
I
really
want
to
thank
staff
for
for
doing
their
best
to
answer
these
questions
in
a
very
short
period
of
time
and
anyway
we
I
know
we
have
several
versions
of
this
that
will
be
coming
to
us
for
a
discussion
tonight,
but
that
provides
some
background.
As
to
my
vote.
T
Thanks
seth,
I
just
have
a
quick
question
that
won't
surprise
nells,
I'm
concerned
about
access
to
the
businesses
on
the
south
side
of
the
commons,
in
the
rear
of
those
businesses
and
the
fact
that
there
used
to
be
a
loading
dock
as
part
of
the
plan.
That's
I
understand,
is
no
longer
there
because
of
the
size
of
the
conference
center.
T
So
could
one
of
the
developers
speak
to
how
they're
ensuring
that
businesses
on
the
south
side
of
the
commons
and
herald
square,
for
example,
will
have
loading
access
after
this
project's
completed.
R
I
think
bruce,
would
you
would
you
we
have
some
images
that
could
you
can
help
share
in
this,
but
the
general
issue
here
is
that
there
is
a
currently
a
shared
right-of-way
that
goes
through
the
parking
lot
of
city
hall
that
serves
several
of
those
buildings
from
home,
dairy
alley
wet
you
know
westward
and
that
easement
is
going
to
be
retained
after
completion
of
the
street
and
its
current
legal,
you
know
framework
and
boundaries.
What
has
happened
over
you
know
historical
time
periods
with
the
city
ownership
of
the
garage
is.
R
The
city
has
been
generous
to
let
people
utilize
areas
that
the
city
owns
under
the
garage
for
various
loading
unloading
uses,
there's
that
will
continue
with
this
project
to
the
extent
feasible,
but
it
the
building's
getting
is,
is
a
large
building
and
there's
not
a
lot
of
room,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day
that
easement
after
construction's
completion
will
be
fully
intact.
With
the
you
know,
inconsistent
with
the
current
agreements-
and
I
think
bruce
may
have
some
imagery
that
he
could
perhaps
share
if
we
can
share
screen.
S
So,
as
nels
pointed
out
once
we're
done
with
the
construction
project,
we've
developed
a
conceptual
plan
of
how
that
western
area
west
between
us
and
city
hall
would
look.
I
think
you
guys
can
see
my
screen
here.
It's
a
little
sket
diagram
of
the
proposed
future
parking
and
unloading
area,
and
so
city
hall
entrance
remains
as
is,
and
there's
some
new
bicycle
parking
here.
There's
some
nice
egg
work
that
needs
to
happen
in
this
area.
S
As
you
point
out,
george,
the
loading
area
for
the
conference
center
is
recessed
and
underneath
the
second
floor
of
the
building
is
over
here
in
the
upper
right
hand,
corner
of
the
sketch,
so
a
truck
can
back
in
and
unload
for
the
conference
center
not
be
blocking
the
in
and
out
access
for
the
business
owners
and
buildings
to
the
south
side
of
the
commons.
S
Our
plan
is
to
provide
some
new
parking,
and
most
of
this
would
be
15
minute
or
30
minute
loading
zones.
There
will
be
one
city
designated
parking
space
for
city
vehicles
and
then
a
couple
of
15-minute
parking
spaces.
Then
a
30-minute
handicap
parking
space.
Then
a
couple
of
more
15
minutes.
These
are,
you
know,
get
in
unload
your
car,
go
to
the
business
or
go
do
what
you
need
to
do
at
the
city
hall
and
come
back
out.
S
Then
there's
a
striped
area
over
here
on
the
right
hand,
side
that
would
allow
for
a
truck
to
come
in
and
unload
it
over
a
period
of
time
and
come
out
without
hindering
access
back
and
forth.
So
that's
sort
of
the
high
level
plan
of
that.
S
Correct
and
we've
been
working
directly
with
some
of
the
city
staff
and
constituents
to
develop
this
plan.
This
is
not
completely
set
in
stone,
but
it's
something
we
feel
and
we've
reviewed
this
with
the
business
and
property
owners
to
the
north,
and
everybody
seems
agreeable
that
this
is
a
good
approach.
P
R
P
And
at
that
time,
when
I
researched
it,
then
this
was
a
company
whose
primary
expertise
have.
It
was,
if
I
recall
correctly,
mainly
senior
and
housing
for
seniors
and
disabled,
usually
in
complexes
of
about
40
units.
Is
that
correct.
R
I
don't,
I
know
that
their
inventory
of
5
000
units
that
they
manage
includes
several
low-income
housing,
tax
credit
projects
and
some
of
the
ones
that
they
categorize
as
disabled
are
also
public,
assisted
housing
projects
as
well.
They
did,
they
may
have
started
out
with
senior
and
they
have
a
focus
on.
They
certainly
have
a
expertise
in
senior
housing,
but
they
are
currently
managing
several
vecino's,
affordable
housing
projects,
including
the
one
utica
in
utica,
as
well
as
down
in
elmira.
R
So
there's
a
strong
history
of
working
with
them,
and
the
state
has
also
recognized
them
as
very
able
and
capable
housing
managers.
The
agency
that
the
garb
renewal
agency
was
a
little
concerned
about
this
issue
because
we
want
to
make
sure
we
have
professional
and
responsive
management.
So
we've
imposed
a
couple
of
additional
safeguards
in
the
project
on
in
this
regard.
R
One
is:
the
manager
is
required
to
conduct
a
resident
survey
somewhere
between
the
first
year
and
the
second
year
and
share
that
with
the
ira
and
meet
with
the
ira
and
the
at
the
ira's
option.
We
can
require
the
developer
to
make
some
management
changes
and
require
some
responses
to
those
survey
responses.
R
Secondly,
we've
also
imposed
a
minimum
investment
in
property
management
so
that
there's
sufficient
staffing
on-site
staffing
at
the
project,
so
it'll
be
4.5,
full-time,
equivalent
employees
dedicated
to
the
project,
two
for
kind
of
physical
operations
and
two
for
leasing
and
management.
I
guess
that
leaves
us
with
a
half
one.
I
don't
know
I
can't
designate
for,
but
where
we,
I
think,
we've
got
some
safeguards
built
in
to
ensure
that
we're
gonna
have
responsive
community
oriented
management
on
the
site
and
their.
You
know.
R
Their
experiences
is
broad
and
very
much
based
out
of
a
central
new
york
headquarters
in
rome,
new
york,
so
they
know
upstate
new
york.
S
I
know
if
I
knels,
if
I
could
add
to
that
too,
I
mean
I
appreciate
your
concern
about
that,
and
I
also
believe
that,
as
you
mentioned,
the
state
and
our
tax
credit
investors
are
all
pretty
highly
scrutin
scrutinizing
those
those
partnerships
as
we
move
forward,
and
so,
if
there
is
a
problem,
it'll
come
up
in
that
process
as
well.
P
Okay,
thank
you.
You
know.
One
of
our
largest
housing
facilities
of
235
units
in
in
west
hill
is
experiencing
has
always
experienced
some
management
issues
that
we've
had
I've.
You
know
we've
struggled
to
address
so
I'm
I'm
clearly
concerned
when
we're
dealing
with
a
complex
of
this
size
and
complexity
and
density.
P
We
are
not,
unlike
you
know,
lindeman
creek
and
others
where
the
housing
units
are
spread
out.
This
is
all
in
one
one
central
space
around
one
corridor
and
an
elevator
shaft
distribution
system.
There's
there's
concerns
with
that.
So
making
sure
that
the
management
company
has
expertise
and
experience
in
complexes
of
this
size
is
is
important.
So
if
the
irra
has
a
close
hand
in
making
sure
that
that
the
needs
are
being
met,
then
I
appreciate
that
that
impact
for
that
element.
Thank
you.
D
Thanks
laura,
did
you
have
a
comment
or
question.
O
Oh
yeah,
I
had
a
comment.
We've
talked
about
this
project
for
quite
some
time
and
as
with
many
projects,
many
efforts
there's
been
some
pause
and
delays
resulting
from
the
pandemic.
I
appreciate
the
comments
of
of
my
colleagues.
I
I
will
say
that,
as
liaison
to
iura,
I
know
how
in-depth
the
discussions
have
been
in
the
iura
members
have
asked
many
of
the
questions,
for
example
cynthia
the
questions
that
you
were
just
asking,
so
the
management
group
crm,
for
example,
that
has
been
discussed
and
looked
at
in
the
iura.
O
O
There
will
be
measures
in
place
to
ensure
financial
resort
reserves
leading
up
to
2024,
and
there
is
some
partnership
of
community
members,
community
organizations
and
investors
in
in
this,
in
the
belief
that
this
will
benefit
our
community.
It
will
provide
a
diversity
of
housing
in
our
center
city.
O
It
will
provide
jobs
and
so
for,
for
those
reasons,
the
partnership,
the
financial
planning
that
has
gone
into
this-
I'm
supportive
of
this,
and
in
saying
that
I
don't
at
all
intend
to
ignore
that
there
are
some
risks,
but
I
think
sometimes
it's
important
to
take
measured
and
calculated
risks
going
forward
for
the
better
long-term
benefit.
O
D
Thanks
laura,
I
see
ducks
and
as
a
stand
up.
H
Ask
about
the
potential
for
adaptive
reuse
if,
if
the
worst
should
happen,
let's
say
in
20
years,
the
the
conference
center
fails
and
we
want
to
use
it
for
housing
or
retail
space.
Is
there
anything
in
the
configuration
of
that
space
that
would
prevent
a
good
adaptive,
reuse.
R
Well,
that's
something
we've
been
thinking
about.
It
is
a
purpose-built
structure.
A
conference
center
is
is
going
to
be
very
free
of
columns
in
in
the
ballrooms
area,
which
adds
some
cost
to
construction,
but
maybe
provide
some
flexibility
for
adaptive
reuse
at
some
point,
but
there
are
tall
floor
to
ceilings
on
both
levels.
So
it's
not.
It's
probably
not
easily
adaptable
to
every
use
without
some
modification-
maybe
maybe
I
don't
know
bruce-
has
thought
a
little
bit
about
this.
He
knows
more
about
the
construction
or
maybe
nick
robertson.
R
Who's
on
the
on
this
have
may
have
some
thoughts
about
that
kind
of
adaptive.
Reuse
potential.
In
the
worst
case
scenario,.
S
Yeah,
I
mean
in
a
in
a
worst
case
scenario
this
the
conference
center
fails
and
you
want
to
do
something
else
with
it
my
mind
as
a
as
a
developer
and
as
an
architect
in
some
ways,
I
suppose
is
because
that
is
my
background
and
by
license
I
anything
is
possible
for
that
space
I
mean
you
could
go
in
and
put
some
new
columns
in
the
ballroom
and
the
in
the
pre-function
spaces
and
or
the
I'm
sorry
the
meeting
rooms
on
the
first
floor
and,
and
you
know,
by
building
building
codes.
S
It
would,
if
you
tried
to
add
a
level
in
there.
We
can
do
that
in
the
ballroom
area,
because
we
already
have,
it
would
basically
be
filling
in
where
the
mezzanine
or
the
third
floor
wraps
around.
You
could
add
some
columns.
You
could
add
some
floor
structure
in
there
and
be
very
expensive,
but
in
that
case
physically,
it's
possible
whether
you
want
to
spend
that
kind
of
money
to
to
do.
That
would
be
a
whole
nother
exercise
of
discussion,
though.
R
With
some
modifications
it
would
make
a
lovely
city
hall,
for
example,
but
it
you
know
it's
it's
designed
to
accommodate
a
large.
You
know
assembly
space
and
that's
you
know
if
we
found
another
use
that
took
advantage
of
that
aspect,
it
could
be
adaptively
reused.
Like
you
know,
for
example,
you
know
an
event
center.
You
know
it
would
be
very
adaptable
for
something
like
that.
R
But
it's
it
is
a
you
know,
a
specific
designed
building,
which
will
be
very
structurally
sound
for
75
to
100
years,
so
we'll
certainly
have
a
building
that'll
be
standing
that
we
can,
you
know,
can
be
utilized,
but
it
will
take
an
additional
investment
at
that
point
in
time.
If
there
ever
was
a
need
for
it
for
adaptive,
reuse,.
H
T
Yeah
thanks
steph
bruce
I
my
question
is:
is
vecino
willing
to
honor
a
local
labor
agreement
in
the
construction
of
this
project.
R
George,
would
it
be
the
same
standard
that
we
talked
about
with
the
rimland
project,
30
yeah.
S
I'll
I'll,
say
I'll
say
a
little
bit
about
that
and
then
I'll
turn
it
over
to
nick
to
talk
about
the
tactical
stuff
and
the
the
reality
of
situation,
but
I
mean
we
were
always
willing
to
honor
setting
that
30
as
a
goal
to
to
require
a
mandate.
S
You
know,
I
I
think
I
it's
going
to
be
tough
to
understand
with
all
the
projects
that
are
going
on
right
now
are
starting
to
go
on
and
with
the
labor
pool
that
we
have,
whether
we
would
be
able
to
or
not
I
don't
know,
but
I
I
suppose
at
some
point
it
could
potentially
increase
the
cost
of
the
project.
S
If
we
get
a
bid
and
it's
not
local
labor,
then
we
have
to
go
to
the
next
one,
but
we
really
won't
know
that
and
for
some
of
the
tactics
on
that
and
some
of
the
kind
of
current
situations
I
want
to
turn
over
to
nick
robertson
from
well
over
construction.
He
can
talk
a
little
bit
to
that
point.
U
U
Most
of
our
employees
are
local,
but
one
of
the
things
that's
challenging
and
I'm
running
the
north
campus
project
up
at
cornell
right
now,
and
one
of
the
challenges
about
local
labor.
Unlike
some
of
the
other
labor
requirements
or
you
know,
minority
women
owned
business
participation.
Is
you
you
really
don't
know
at
the
time
of
procurement,
whether
you're
actually
going
to
satisfy
those
requirements,
because
you
could
hire
a
maco
electric
which
has
an
aw.
U
You
know
as
an
an
office
based
in
ithaca
or
a
frying
camp
belt,
plumbing
and
heating
contractor
that
would
be
considered
local,
but
like
most
local
union
contractors,
they
rely
on
the
local
halls
to
provide
labor
for
them
and
in
certain
times,
particularly
like
this
past
summer,
you
know
you
can
call
the
halls
and
the
halls
will
be
empty,
and
over
the
last
couple
of
years
we
have
seen
the
local
labor
utilized
pretty
pretty
heavily
and
we've
had
to
draw
labor
from.
U
You
know
monroe
county
onondaga,
county
broome
county
and
you
you
start
to
see
having
to
stretch
out
further
and
you
don't
know
what
environment
you're
going
to
exist
in
when
you
procure
those
contracts.
So
you
know
we
as
in
you
know
this
project
team
we've
already
sat
down
with
the
building
trades
council,
we've
talked
to
todd
brewer
and
all
the
all
the
union
representatives
we've
talked
to
them
about
the
project.
We've
asked
them
to
talk
to
their
their
local
contractors.
U
We've
asked
them
to
cooperate
with
us
in
the
bidding
process
to
try
to
make
sure
that
we
get
as
much
participation
as
possible
so
that
we
do
have
an
outcome
that
that
everybody's
happy
about,
and
we
don't
have
people
coming
in
from
outside
of
our
local
community
and
having
our
local
workforce
sitting
home.
So
you
know
one
of
the
things
when
bruce
came
to
me
and
talked
to
me
about
it.
It's
you
know
yeah.
U
We
want
to
pursue
it,
but
it's
really
hard
for
me
to
give
him
a
commitment
that
we're
going
to
know
when
we
sign
contracts,
whether
or
not
we
can
actually
at
the
end
of
the
day,
have
those
hour
counts
and
meet
that
percentage.
T
Comments
if,
if
the
reason
a
project
couldn't
reach
30,
which
is
pretty
modest,
is
because
all
the
local
halls
were
already
employed.
That's
a
problem,
that's
acceptable.
In
my
opinion,
I
I'd
like
to
speak
with
the
local
electricians
and
plumbers
and
laborers
etc,
to
see
if,
if
they're
thinking
along
the
same
lines
and
if,
in
fact,
they're
all
real
busy,
because
not
too
long
ago,.
T
They
they
weren't,
even
though
there
were
big
projects
going
on
so,
but
that's
that's
good
to
hear
that
you
are
looking
at
local
labor.
First,
thanks
be
good
to
hear
from
the
labor
unions
as
well.
D
Just
looking
at
there's
a
question
from
ducks
and
about
the
the
ban,
the
bans
for
affordable
housing
that
the
percentages
add
up
to
92.
He
was
wondering
where
the
additional
eight
percent
is.
How
did
you
see
that
nils.
R
I
just
noticed
that
I'm
going
to
go
to
a
resource
and
see
if
I
can
iron
out
that
question
and
I'll
I'll
try
to
get
back
to
that
question
in
a
second.
D
All
right,
I
did
have
a
question
about
the
conference
center
and
you
know
like
laura.
I'm
I'm
definitely
very
support,
I'm
supportive
of
this
project.
I
think
I
think
it's
visionary.
I
mean.
I
think
this
is
an
incredible
project.
I
mean
what
it
achieves.
You
think
about.
The
the
parking
garage
alone
would
be
a
major
achievement
for
the
city,
and
then
you
also
have
affordable
housing,
which
is
incredible
to
have
affordable
housing
located
downtown.
You
know
close
to
amenities
and
transportation.
D
Jobs
is
great,
and
the
conference
center,
which
I
understand
is,
is
probably
the
part
of
this
project
that
that
people
are
the
most
worried
about.
You
know
when
I
sit
down
and
I
look
at
all
of
the
thought
and
the
planning
that's
gone
into
this,
I'm
I'm
incredibly
impressed.
D
I
mean
I
think
that
especially
the
work
that
you've
done
tom
working
with
everybody
to
really
come
up
with
these
reserve
funds
and
really
try
to
calculate
this
out
and-
and
you
know,
build
in
a
layer
of
layers
of
protection
for
the
city,
I
think,
is
reassuring.
I
think
there
is
a
question
and
where
you
know
there
might
not
be
a
great
answer
for
this.
D
I
think
this
is
presuming
that
there's
going
to
be
like
a
return
to
some
kind
of
pre-pandemic
normality
in
people's
behavior,
and
I
did
have
a
question
about
just
you
know:
has
there
have
we
looked
into
like
the
industry
with
conference
conferences?
Is
there
an
assumption
that
we
are
going
to
return
to
in-person
conferences?
D
I
mean
my
sort
of
person
on
the
street
perspective
is
is
yes
just
because
I
think
zoom
conferences
are,
they
might
be
cheap,
but
I
think
they're
they're
not
very
pleasurable,
for
people,
but
I
I
wanted
to
just
ask
if
there
had
been
more
of
like
a
kind
of
deep
dive
into
that
into
that
future
and
if
there
was
any
kind,
if
there,
if
you're
concerned
about
it,
if
you
have
a
concern
that
you
know
there
might
be
more
virtual
conferences
in
the
future
and
whether
this
that
could
impact
this.
This
project.
V
Thanks
thanks
for
that
question
steph
I
can
take
our
first
stab
and
peggy
coleman
is
also
here
from
the
cvb
and
is
knowledgeable
on
this
subject,
and
so
I
also
have
a
presentation-
and
I
see
cynthia
wants
to
ask
about
financing
on
the
conference
center.
V
That
includes
a
couple
slides
on
this
topic
that
we
can
jump
into
at
any
point,
if
that's
helpful,
but
to
answer
to
answer
your
question:
yeah
we've
we've
looked
into
it
and
I
mean
from
a
couple's
perspectives,
actually
one
the
future,
the
meetings
business
and
what
that
means
for
our
facility,
but
also
you
know
the
future
of
tourism
more
generally,
as
it
relates
to
room
tax
projections,
because
the
conference
center
is
funded
primarily
by
room
tax.
V
So
I
think,
as
laura
said,
you
know
the
conference
center
opens
in
mid-2024,
so
you
can
imagine
the
question,
then,
being
you
know
what
is
what
is
the
likely
state
of
the
meetings
business
at
the
point
when
the
conference
center
opens
in
in
2024,
we
took
a
look
at
a
study
called
the
state
of
the
meeting
industry.
It
was
a
national
survey
of
event
planners
by
noland,
and
one
of
the
results
of
that
was
that
45
of
meeting
planners
believe
the
number
of
meetings
and
attendees
will
return
to
pre-coveted
strength
in
2023.
V
You
know
in
a
lot
of
ways:
yeah
meeting
facilities
are
are
are
hurting
right
now,
as
is
the
entire
hospitality
industry,
but
you
know
being
able
to
open.
You
know
at
the
time
when
projections
indicate
that
the
meetings
business
is
going
to
return
is
a
is
a
strength
for
our
facility.
V
Another
thing
I
think
that's
important
to
keep
in
mind
is
we.
We
have
a
strong
community
safety
record
community
culture
around.
V
The
pandemic
and
safety
around
the
pandemic-
and
you
know
we're
building
a
facility
in
a
community
that
you
know,
does
a
good
job
of
addressing
those
concerns
and
the
facility
itself
will
be
able
to
be
built.
You
know
with
merv
13
filters
and
we're
not
going
to
retrofit
this
to
to
be
pandemic,
ready
we're
going
to
be
able
to
build
it
with
the
appropriate
hvac
system
appropriate
av,
because
a
lot
of
meetings
at
conferences
are
going
hybrid.
V
Now
we
expect
that
will
continue
and
so
we'll
be
able
to
build
in
the
av
facilities
to
be
able
to
accommodate
those
hybrid
meetings
of
the
future,
and
the
other
thing
that
the
meeting
planners
said
in
that
survey.
That
I
mentioned
is
that
smaller
meetings
are
likely
to
dominate
in
the
future,
probably
a
20
to
40
percent
reduction
in
attendees,
which
may
translate
to
greater
demand
for
booking
into
facilities
of
our
size.
V
And
I
know
I've
said
this
before,
but
I
think
it's
important
to
reiterate
in
the
context
of
this
conversation
that
you
know
what
we're
proposing
to
build
is
a
pretty
small
conference
center
by
industry
standards.
V
We're
in
a
tertiary
drive
market
we're
closer
in
size.
To
many,
you
know:
hotel
conference
centers
like
the
albany
marriott
as
an
example
rather
than
first
tier
large
city
convention
centers
like
mccormick
place
or
javits
center
and
those
kinds
of
facilities
are
going
to
have
different
challenges.
We're
not
trying
to
attract
the
you
know
two
thousand
dollar
national.
V
Two
thousand
members
excuse
me
two
thousand
member
national
conference,
we're
not
competing
with
those
kinds
of
facilities,
we're
a
regional
business
kind
of
facility
and-
and
you
know,
ithaca-
continues
to
be
attractive
as
a
destination,
and
so
that
puts
us
in
a
very
different
place.
The
other
thing
that
we're
hearing
from
the
industry
and
the
those
research
items
is
that
there's
a
lot
of
pent-up
demand
for
travel,
face-to-face
interaction,
networking's,
better
accomplished
face-to-face
learning
is
better
accomplished.
V
Face-To-Face
we've
certainly
seen
that
as
a
result
of
the
pandemic
and
and
some
of
that
business
will
will
take
place
in
this
center.
So
I
mean
that
that's
that's
kind
of
a
high
level.
Some
of
the
things
that
you
know
we've
seen
as
we've
looked
into
different
research.
Peggy,
did
you
want
to
add
to
that.
W
A
D
We
did
have
some
questions
about
the
financing,
but
maybe
I
know
cynthia
does
to
me.
We
can
hold
that
those
when
we
get
to
the
occupancy
tax.
I
did
just
have
a
very
quick
question.
I
saw
laura
had
her
hand
up.
We've
talked
in
the
past
about
the
local
community
being
able
to
use
this
space.
D
J
X
Want
to
take
that
one
yeah,
I
think
the
answer
is
yes,
we
did
we're
in
the
process
of
finalizing
a
contract
with
our
operator,
and
we
can
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
that.
Their
organization
called
asm.
X
They
are
one
of
I
guess
they
are
the
the
the
largest
operator
of
conference
centers
eastern
united
states,
if
not
further,
but
they
in
in
in
in
the
in
the
documents
that
we're
working
back
and
forth
with
them
on
right.
Now
that
provision
is
in
there
that
we
would
have
differential
pricing
for
community
rates,
we've
yeah.
No,
it's
it's
from
the
from
the
very
beginning.
X
The
sense
was
that
yes,
this
is
obviously
something
that's
going
to
be
helpful
for
conferences
and
for
for
bringing
people
into
our
community
for
adding
adding
wealth,
but
it
also
is
going
to
be
an
asset
for
the
community.
X
We
as
a
community
need
a
a
place
to
meet
and
to
do
things
and
and
and
and
we
struggle
to
do
that-
a
lot
and-
and
this
is
one
opportunity
to
do
that,
and
so
we
are
very
much
committed
to
make
sure
that
there's
a
differential
pricing
so
that
we're
able
to
get
those
kind
of
community
events
in
in
in
this
center
on
a
regular
basis.
Thanks,
that's
good
to
hear.
V
Time
for
me
to
mention,
because
it
relates
to
the
asm
contract.
Another
question:
that's
come
up
and
that's
around
the
living
wage,
so
in
those
same
documents
of
gary
reference,
all
projected
salaries
will
meet
the
living
wage
requirement,
as
defined
by
the
most
recent
bio
topic
county
living
wage
survey.
So
so
we
put
that
right
in
the
rfp
we
had
a
preference
for
that
and
they
took
that
to
heart
and
they
built
all
of
their
their
operating
budget
projections.
Off
of
that
assumption,.
D
Great,
oh,
I
asked
you
a
question.
Gotcha
samantha
did
I
see
your
hands?
No.
Did
I
imagine
that
sorry
look.
So
we
have
like
three
different
resolutions
we're
voting
on.
So
maybe
we
should
move
forward
with
this
one.
Unless
there's
any
other
discussions.
Oh
it's
nells.
I
thought
his
nails
may
be
raised.
I
thought
it
was
semantics.
R
I
just
wanted
to
correct
the
math
question
that
tucson
raised.
I
did
have
the
percentage
that
I
were
using
were
based
based
on
the
percentage
of
units
in
this
project
compared
to
the
original
unit
count
of
217..
R
So
here's
the
correct
number
there'll
be
28
units
below
40,
ami
43
units
below
50,
ami
85
units
below
60
percent,
ami
and
24
units
at
80
or
less
that
works
out
to
16
in
that
first
category
24
in
the
second
category,
47
in
the
60
ami
category
and
13
in
the
80
category.
That
actually
adds
up
to
100
this
time
so
and
we'll.
X
D
Thank
you
thanks
nils
appreciate
it,
so
we
ready
to
move
forward
with
the
vote
on
this
resolution
unless
there's
any
further
discussion.
Okay,.
V
Whenever
you
like,
I
think
that's
what
we
were
planning
on,
but
if
it's
helpful
to
have
it
before
then,
whenever
you
want.
D
D
So
I'll,
just
I'll
read
out
the
beginning
of
this,
whereas
at
february
5th,
on
february
5th
2020
common
council
adopted
a
resolution
stating
the
city's
commitment
to
pursue
a
city
of
ithaca
hotel,
occupancy
tax
and
commitment
to
provide
a
shared
financial
guarantee
with
tompkins
county.
Whereas
in
june
3rd
2020
common
council
adopted
a
resolution
requesting
that
the
new
york
senate
and
assembly
enact
the
home
rule
legislation
submitted
by
assemblywoman,
barbara
lifton
and
senator
tom
o'mara
to
enable
the
city
to
implement
a
hotel
occupancy
tax.
D
H
A
V
So
let
me
let
me
I
mean-
we've
been
working
over
the
past
several
months
on
a
variety
of
fronts,
so
just
to
kind
of
reference.
The
checklist
here
of
all
the
different
areas
of
work.
V
Obviously,
the
room
text
state
enabling
law
a
big
deal
that
we
got
that
passed
at
the
legislature
and
the
governor,
signed
it
and
and
tremendous
amount
of
advocacy
and
thank
yous-
are
due
to
the
industry
and
peggy
and
her
partners
at
the
state
level
and
to
cevante
the
governor
didn't
sign
all
the
room
tax
bills,
but
he
signed
ours,
that's
a
big
deal
and
it
was
a
big
effort,
ldc
formation.
V
The
ldc
is
formerly
known
as
the
downtown
of
the
local
development
corporation.
It
has
been
formed.
The
founding
board
members
are
me
gary
ferguson
and
jennifer
tavares.
At
our
next
board
meeting.
We
will
be
expanding
the
board
membership.
I
think
the
membership
is
12
members.
Dan
cogan
will
also
be
a
member
county.
Reps
hotel,
reps
and
community
reps
and
that'll
be
the
group
that
will
receive
the
room
tax
and
manage
the
contract.
V
Man
have
the
lease
with
casino
for
the
facility
and
manage
the
contract
with
the
third-party
operator,
so
lots
of
progress
there
in
setting
that
up
project
design
and
construction
budget
bruce
has
offered
to
to
share
some
of
that.
Obviously,
a
ton
of
work
done
there,
including
with
site
plan
approval
getting
through
that
vasino
engaged
some
some
help
and
so
did
the
ldc,
and
some
of
that
is
ongoing.
V
We
worked
with
the
group
called
city
level
cine
little
to
do
the
the
kitchen
design,
a
consulting
firm
that
focuses
on
that
worked
with
david
greizel
on
the
overall
conference
center
program
and
now
are
working
actually
on
a
pro
bono
basis,
pre-contract
with
asm
global,
on
reviewing
all
of
the
the
details
of
the
of
the
of
the
project
to
make
sure
that
we
optimize
the
performance
of
the
conference
center
from
the
perspective
of
the
group.
That
would
be
the
operator.
V
Working
on
the
state
grant
contract,
I
think
we
have
if
we
don't
already
have
the
the
incentive
agreement
in
place.
It's
very
close.
V
And
partner
agreements,
you
know
all
of
the
financial
support
that
was
part
of
your
march
resolution.
You
know
we
have
worked
to
codify
that
in
actual
contracts
and
agreements
and
and
and
that
work
has
been
done.
I
want
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
third
party
contractor
now
and
nels
is
going
to
cover
the
project
financing
structure
in
the
next
item
and
that's
been
a
lot
been
a
lot
of
work
done
on
that.
So
the
ldc
put
out
an
rfp
for
operators
and
received
three
pretty
good
responses.
V
Two
were
particularly
good
and
the
group
ended
up
selecting
asm
global
as
the
preferred
contractor.
V
They
have
a
proven
track
record
in
upstate
new
york
operating
the
on
center
and
the
albany
capital
center,
and
you
know
part
of
the
reason
that
they
they
were
preferred
contractor
is
there's
a
sense
that
they'll
be
able
to
leverage
the
those
networks
and
relationships
in
and
resources
in
the
state
to
be
able
to
bring
business
to
ithaca.
V
They
really
have
an
excellent
management
operations
and
marketing
credentials.
Their
references
were
excellent.
They've
opened
other
venues.
This
is
a
new
venue,
so
we
there's
there's
a
whole
set
of
things
to
think
about
when
opening
a
new
venue
and
they're
expert
at
that,
we
also
have
a
on
a
a
proposal
from
them
that
incorporates
a
base
fee,
but
also
a
performance
incentive
fee
and
and
that's
something
we
wanted
to
see
and
we'll
be
negotiating
the
specifics
of
it.
V
It
can
be
both
qualitative
and
quantitative,
but
basically
it's
it's
our
way
of
making
sure
that
they
are
meeting
and
exceeding
our
expectations.
As
the
operator
I
mentioned
the
living
wage
piece
and
they're
helping
now
with
a
lot
of
pre-opening
elements
on
a
pro
bono
basis.
We
are
and
we're
in
negotiations
with
them
about
other
activities
that
they
might
undertake
in
the
pre-opening
period.
In
support
of
you
know,
opening
strong.
V
V
Peggy
can
tell
me
if
this
is
accurate,
but
perhaps
the
worst
ever
as
measured
by
the
county
room
tax
collections.
It
was
down
58
in
2020
over
the
29
peak
20
2019
peak.
We
we
are
projecting
that
2021,
be
it
will
be
a
little
better,
but
still
not
great
we're
projecting
it'll
be
down
35
anecdotally.
I
had
a
conversation
with
one
of
our
major
downtown
properties.
V
Last
week
asked
you
know
asking
for
corroboration
of
this
assumption
and
they
are
budgeting
for
30
down
over
20
21
for
their
property,
so
we're
a
little
more
pessimistic
than
them,
but
I
mean,
I
think,
I
think
in
a
lot
of
ways,
we've
tried
to
be
very
pessimistic
and
conservative
in
the
way.
We've
approached
this
in
order
to
make
sure
that
the
center.
V
V
However,
you
know
we
are
we're,
projecting
that
we'll
get
back
to
there
in
2025
and-
and
why
is
that?
I
mean
basically
the
strong
consensus
that
occupancy
is
going
to
return
more
quickly,
but
it
will
take
some
time
for
the
the
rate
to
recover
back
to
the
2019
levels
and
the
room
taxes.
The
memo
described,
you
know,
will
be
used
in
a
variety
of
ways
for
a
variety
of
purposes.
V
During
the
pre-opening
period.
The
proposal
is
to
start
collection
on
april
1
and
collect
for
three
years
before
it
opens.
That
would
allow
us
to
accrue
4.37
million
in
room
tax
prior
to
opening,
and
you
know
that
would
that
would
go
to
supporting
the
construction
budget,
pre-opening
soft
costs
and
capital
capitalization
of
reserves
a
little
more
on
the
assumptions
behind
that
projection,
and
then
I
want
to
actually
walk
through
the
pro
forma
briefly,
so
we
are
assuming
a
fairly
hefty
rate
of
exemptions.
V
V
There's
there's
two
pieces
here
that
are,
I
think,
really
important
to
mention
it's
that
our
model,
I
mean
we
base
it
on
actual
revenues.
Excuse
me
actual
rate
supply
exemptions
and
occupancy
from
2019
and
then,
as
I
said
in
the
earlier
slide,
you
know
backing
it
down
from
there.
What
we
don't
include
is
also
important.
We
don't.
V
We
do
not
assume
any
induced
demand
from
the
conference
center
and,
if
you
take
the
hundred
study
and
apply
the
number
of
net
new
rooms
to
an
assumed
rate
and
then
take
up
a
five
percent
of
that,
we're
looking
at
at
stabilization
likely
an
additional
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
dollars
in
additional
annual
revenues.
That's
not
accounted
for
in
our
projection.
That's
out
of
a
desire
to
be
conservative
in
our
approach.
The
other,
I
think
really
important
thing
to
mention
here
is
that
we
are
not
assuming
any
room
tax
collection
related
to
airbnb
stays.
V
The
reason
that
that's
important
is
that
we're
actually
a
pretty
big
airbnb
market
I've.
You
know
done
a
lot
of
work
on
this
and
the
the
market.
The
total
revenues
in
airbnb
properties
in
the
city
likely
ranges
between
five
and
eleven
million
dollars.
V
You
take
five
percent
of
that,
and
you
know
200
000
additional
annual
revenue
is,
is
a
conservative
estimate
of
the
amount
above
what
we've
projected
would
come
from
airbnb
to
to
be
successful
in
collecting
that
I
strongly
believe
it'll
be
really
important
to
have
a
voluntary
collection
agreement
in
place
with
airbnb.
V
I
did
that
with
the
county
when
I
was
there.
Airbnb
was
very
willing
to
do
it
and
it
makes
makes
it
a
whole
lot
easier
to
for
for
us
as
a
city
to
collect
the
tax
rather
than
going
to
a
whole
bunch
of
different
hosts.
We
just
go
to
one
company
that
that
that
collects
the
tax
on
behalf
of
all
of
their
hosts
and
remits
it
directly
to
the
city.
So
it's
a
yeah,
I
mean
as
a
service
to
the
host
too.
V
They
don't
have
to
worry
about
submitting
quarterly
payments
to
the
city,
so
we
would
we're
going
to
pursue
that,
and
it's
and
again
it's
not
assumed
as
part
of
our
revenues
under
this
model.
So
that
makes
me
feel
more
confident.
V
So
let
me
just
very
briefly:
walk
through
the
the
operating
budget.
I've
got
this
broken
up
into
three
pages,
and
this
was
in
your
agenda
packet
here
this
this
page.
These
numbers
are
from
asm
they're,
pretty
close
with
some
differences
to
the
the
numbers
that
we
had
from
hunden,
except
now,
they're
they've
actually
developed
a
real
budget.
V
They
operate
conference
centers
similar
in
size
to
our
conference
center.
So
they're
actually
based
you
know,
they're
basing
their
their
projected
budget
off
of
budgets
and
and
actuals
from
from
other
other
facilities,
and
they
gave
it
to
us
for
three
years
and
so
the
net
operating
income
after
the
incentive
at
the
below
at
the
bottom
line
beyond
year.
Three
is
just
an
assumed
rate.
V
We
assume
it
goes
up
because
we
assume
that
the
business
goes
up
and
and
therefore
just
as
a
marginal
piece,
the
the
net
operating
income
would
would
the
loss
would
go
up
as
well.
So
one
thing
I
didn't
include
in
this
area
of
the
pro
forma
is
the
hotel
payments.
However,
one
could
assume
that
they
are
part
of
the
operating
budget,
so
you
can
assume
that
that
net
operating
income
after
incentive
at
the
bottom
line
there
is
is
probably
about
fifty
thousand
dollars
less
than
that.
V
There
is
a
significant
loss
in
year,
one
and
then
stabilizing
at
around
what
they're
saying
128
are
actually
in
their
proposal:
78,
that's
128,
minus
50.
V
in
year,
three
out
of
an
abundance
of
sort
of
conservatism.
You
know
in
this
assumes
that
that
that
grows,
that
loss
grows
in
our
ears.
Let
me
turn
to
the
next
page.
This
is
this,
is
the
actual
you
know
room
tax
budget?
If
you
will
it's,
the
the
ldc
will
will
take
the
room,
tax
and
pay
the
lease
payments
cover.
Any
operating
losses
work
with
the
operator,
and
so
this
this
is
the
really
important
sort
of
budget.
V
From
the
city's
perspective,
I
think
to
pay
attention
to,
and
basically
the
net
operating
line
is
just
carried
from.
Above
that's
the
the
anticipated
net
operating
loss.
We
have
a
city
of
ithaca
room,
tax
collection,
and
that
is
with
all
of
the
assumptions
built
in
that
I
just
shared
with
you
year.
V
Two
here
is
kind
of
like
2020:
five,
it's
actually
a
period
a
12-month
period
that
probably
begins
in
mid
2024
for
year,
one
or
mid
2025
for
year,
two,
but
that's
a
12
month
period,
and
so
you
see
1.9
million.
That's
the
base
assumption
from
2019
when
we
return
to
that
assumption,
and
then
that
grows
two
percent
a
year
from
there,
which
is
some
less
than
we
have
seen
historically
in
an
average
annual
growth
rate
pre-cove
in
our
local
tourism
industry.
V
That
rate
has
been
more
in
the
neighborhood
of
five
to
six
percent
average
annual
growth,
but
we
do
assume
some
growth
there.
Two
percent
there's
an
amount
from
the
retail
rentals,
there's
an
amount
for
dpw
rent
and
here's
where
the
downtown
hotel
sponsorship
shows
up.
That
is
a
commitment
that
that
they
are
making
as
part
of
the
agreements
that
we've
developed
for
10
years
and
that's
a
collective
sponsorship.
V
I
guess
the
amount
works
out
to
12
and
a
half
thousand
for
each
of
the
four
downtown
hotels
there.
It
gets
you
to
your
total
revenue
on
the
expense
side,
the
annual
debt
service.
Basically,
you
know
it's
a
34
million
dollar
project
we're
putting
one
and
a
quarter
in
pre-opening
room
tax
revenues
directly
to
construction.
The
hotels
are
putting
in
a
hundred
thousand
and
we
have
a
five
million
dollar
state
grant,
so
we're
borrowing,
27
million
and
change,
and
that
is
the
at
debt
services.
V
The
amount
given
the
interest
rate
that
would
be
required
over
a
30-year
period
annually
to
support
the
the
bond
financing
the
vasino
additional
rent,
that's
basically
their
carrying
costs.
They
have
committed
to
not
charge
us
anything
that
you
know
isn't
is
in
profit
here,
it's
basically
just
their
costs
for
legal
and
and
the
accounting
audit.
V
That's
for
the
that's
for
the
ldc
sales
and
marketing
is
an
additional
amount
beyond
what
the
operator
asm
global
will
provide
just
to
help
us
make
sure
that
you
know
we're
we're
getting
eyeballs
on
our
conference
center
as
a
as
a
place
to
do
business,
and
then
this
capital
reserve
contribution
piece,
we're
gonna,
start
and
I'll
show
the
reserves
in
a
second,
with
a
500
000
reserve
from
pre-opening
revenues.
V
But
then
we
want
to
grow
that
over
time,
so
starting
in
year
three,
we
start
to
have
a
contribution
to
a
capital
reserve
of
25
000
and
then
that
grows
to
250
000
annual
in
years
7
8,
9
10..
You
know
you
want
to
make
sure
that
you've
got
a
sizable
amount
of
funding
in
place
to
do
a
refresh
of
the
facility
to
keep
it
attractive
for
business.
V
So
that's
that's
what
we've
done
there
and
then
there
are
some
administrative
expenses
borne
by
the
ldc,
including
their
insurances
and
a
part-time
staff
member
to
help
manage
the
finances
that
gets
your
total
expense
line.
The
difference
here
I
should
one
line
is
showing
the
difference.
V
Basically,
the
net
profit
or
loss
with
the
capital
reserve
contributions
and
without
I
think,
it's
important
to
show
without
because
you
would
have
some
flexibility
in
any
year
about
how
much
to
put
into
the
capital
reserve
basically
based
on
how
well
you
ended
the
year,
but
as
anticipated,
we
see
a
a
pretty
sizable
loss
in
year,
one
a
small
loss
in
year,
two
and
then
we
start
to
see
net
positive
bottom
line
that
can
replenish
that
primary
operating
reserve
and
then
start
to
go
into
the
capital
reserve,
so
I'll
wrap
up
here
in
just
two
minutes.
V
This
is
what
happens
with
the
reserves
over
time,
given
the
assumptions
in
the
pro
forma
that
I
just
shared
above
as
we
previously
shared
we're,
starting
with
some
reserve
balances,
some
of
those
are
from
pre-opening
room
tax
revenues,
primary
I'll
list,
the
ones
that
are
from
pre-opening
room
tax
from
the
primary
operating
reserve,
the
rental
reserve,
the
capital
reserve
and
the
city
final
reserve.
V
There
are
also
some
partner
reserves.
The
dia
starting
in
2024,
will
contribute
50
000
annual
to
a
reserve,
and
the
hotels
will
start
with
150
000
reserve
that
in
any
given
year,
if
it's
used
or
needs
to
be
used
will
be
replenished
back
up
to
150
000.
What
you're
seeing
here
is
that
it's
not
needed,
so
it
just
stays
there
in
case
it
ever
is
needed,
and
basically
you
know,
I
show
I
showed
above
the
the
net
loss
in
year,
one
of
negative
445
that
does
reduce
your
primary
operating
reserve.
Balance
down.
V
V
We're
we're
utilizing
a
little
of
the
rental
reserve
balance.
The
capital
reserve
starts
to
grow
up
to
1.4
million
in
the
year
10..
V
The
dia
reserve
balance
is
not
utilized
and
grows
to
500
000
hotel
reserve
is
not
utilized
and,
finally,
the
city
final
reserve
balance
grows
because
we
have
county
payments
coming
in
to
support
the
city
in
our
role
as
providing
the
financial
assistance
agreement
for
the
financing,
starting
at
111
000
and
growing
to
137
000
in
year,
10,
which
allows
our
city
final
reserve
balance
to
grow
to
2.37
million.
Somebody
asked
in
the
recent
meetings
you
know
looking
at
these
numbers.
V
So
what
happens
you
know
if
you
hit
all
these
numbers
or
you
know
cross
your
fingers
do
better
than
this,
with
these
pretty
sizable
reserves
that
you
may
or
may
not
need
to
continue
growing,
and
I
think
you
know
the
city
would
have
some
options
at
that
point.
If
we
find
ourselves
in
that
situation
of
you
know
making
sure
we
have
a
robust
capital
reserve,
putting
more
and
more
mark
toward
marketing,
potentially
or
even
going
so
far
as
to
reduce
the
the
the
room
tax
rate.
V
So
those
are
all
nice
problems
to
think
about.
Having
you
know,
I
think,
just
to
leave
you.
The
final
comment:
the
combined
amount
of
50
000,
plus
150,
000
that
we
are
not
tapping
into
under
this.
You
know
base
scenario
here,
the
the
projected
scenario.
V
If
you
did
worse
than
your
projected
scenario
in
either
the
room
tax
collections
or
in
the
the
operating
loss,
you
know
you
you
could
afford
to
be
worse
by
two
hundred
thousand
dollars
a
year,
basically
ongoing
before
you
start
to
tap
into
the
city
final
reserve.
V
So
that
does
provide
a
little
bit
of
assurance
to
us.
As
a
city,
we
will
be
setting
up
a
financial
oversight
committee
that
will
be
comprised
primarily
of
city
staff,
that
we
will
develop
the
annual
room,
tax
budget
and
review
the
finances
of
the
conference
center.
We're
embedding
some
powers.
You
know
for
that
group
into
the
agreements
with
the
partners
into
the
ldc
documents
that
you
know
basically
allow
the
city
to
force
certain
remedies.
V
If
we
start
seeing
things
go
in
a
bad
direction,
and
you
know
we,
we
do
have
some
buffers
here,
which
gives
us
some
time
in
the
case
that
we
start
to
see
things
go
in
a
in
a
in
a
bad
direction.
So
hopefully
that
gives
you.
You
know
a
good
sense
of
of
the
how
the
finances
are
working.
D
Thanks
any
questions.
P
Thank
you.
So
I
have
a
couple
questions
first
off
I
understand:
is
it
correct
that
by
state
law
the
room
tax
can
only
be
used
for
the
conference
center?
It
cannot
be
used
for
say
the
parking
associated
with
the
conference
center
or
other
other
elements
associated
with
city
operations.
V
That's
that's
correct
the
way
that
we
wrote
the
the
use
clause
in
the
state
enabling
legislation
and
understand
this-
is
you
know
a
a
partnership.
You
know
with
the
lodging
industries
and
and
their
support
has
been
critical
to
achieving
that
legislation,
and
that
was
that
was
important
to
them.
V
We
did
build
in,
on
the
one
hand,
a
a
up
to
four
percent
withholding
for
administration,
so
so
we
can
withhold
up
to
four
percent
to
support
the
tax
collection
and
enforcement,
and
it
the
use
clause,
is
also
written
in
such
a
way
that
if
there
are.
V
If
there
are
services
that
are
supportive
of
the
conference
center,
you
know
it's
it's
it's
expansive
enough
that
you
know
other
things
besides,
you
know
necessarily
just
the
debt
service
or
the
operations
of
the
conference
center
could
potentially
be
supported,
but
we
probably
would
not
want
to
stretch
that
too
far.
You
know
it's
things
like
if
transportation
begins
to
become
an
issue
around
the
conference
center
and
you
need
to
shuttle
people
from
a
remote
site
to
the
conference
center.
You
know
you
one
could
see
an
argument
where
that
would
be.
V
You
know
directly
supporting
the
operations
of
the
conference
center
and
therefore
it
would
be
allowable
under
the
law.
P
N
Yeah,
you
know
I've
been
here
the
whole
time
actually
yeah.
I
just
wanted
to
say
to
your
question
cynthia.
There
is
a
bit
of
wiggle
room
that
we
built
into
the
legislation
there.
It
certainly
can't
go
and
be
used
on
random
other
city
purposes,
but
it
was
a
reasonably
broad
association
with
the
conference
center
in
terms
of
the
definition
of
scope
for
for
those
expenditures.
So
we
can.
P
N
P
Thank
you.
The
second
question
I
had
has
to
do
with
the
the
new
financing
proposal
that
we're
looking
at.
I
think
it's
called
a
lease
back
revenue
bond
fund,
something
like
that
and
if
I
understand
correctly,
I've
been
trying
to
wrap
my
head
around
the
the
33-year
term.
P
R
Right
now,
actually
a
technical
way.
Yes,
the
financial
support
from
the
city
is
required
throughout
the
entire
life
of
the
bond
finance
bonds.
However,
there's
no
payment
due
for
the
first
two
years
of
the
parking
garage
or
for
the
first
three
years
of
the
conference
center,
because
the
interest
only
payments
are
capitalized
into
the
initial
funding.
R
It's
a
lot
like
a
construction
loan
in
a
in
a
construction
project
where
they're,
where
there's
interest
that
is
due
on
those
on
that
loan,
but
it's
also
covered
in
the
initial
loan
amount,
so
we're
taking
out
a
little
additional
debt
to
cover
the
interest
payments
that
are
due
the
first
two
years
for
the
parking
garage
in
the
first
three
years
of
the
conference
center.
So
that
money
is
prepaid
and
available
already.
R
So
there's
no
new
obligation
for
the
city
at
that
point
in
time,
because
the
money's
already
in
place
for
that
then
there'll
be
a
30-year
period
which
coincides
with
the
lease
terms
and
which
we
will.
The
city
will
be
committing
to
support
those
projects,
to
the
extent
that
there
is
any
deficiency
in
the
and
in
the
pro
formas
as
tom
just
showed,
should
there
be
a
shortfall,
then
the
city
is
obligated
to
make
those
bondholders
whole.
P
P
Cynthia,
I
did,
but
now
I've
completely
forgotten,
oh
quickly,
why
is
it
called
a
voluntary
collection
agreement
and
not
just
an
obligation
agreement
by
airbnb
to
collect
taxes
on
behalf
of
their
vendors,
because
that
volunt
that
word
voluntary
it
just
gives
me
pause.
So
does
that
mean
something?
Why
is
it
called
a
voluntary
agreement?
If
it's
not
voluntary?
P
V
Think,
strictly
speaking,
the
host
would
be
the
one
who
would
be
required
to
collect
and
remit
the
tax
to
the
city
as
as
the
owner
of
the
lodging
property.
Essentially
airbnb
is
just
a
you
know:
it's
just
a
booking
platform
that
will
tell
you,
but
it
so
it's
it's
voluntary,
because
you
know
they
can
put
that
on
their
hosts.
P
And
so
that,
therefore,
obviously
in
the
the
hotel
tax
legislation,
it
describes
the
recourse
that
the
city
can
take
if
it
finds
a
vendor
that
is
not
actually
collecting
the
hotel
tax
and
and
then
goes
after
them,
and
I'm
I'm
just
assuming,
but
just
for
a
point
of
clarification.
P
Airbnb
is
starting
to
be
replaced
by
other
big
players
in
this
arena,
like
vrbo
and
so
on.
I'm
presuming
that
the
city
county
so
on
will
be
pursuing
agreements
with
those
other
venues
who
who
manage
or
use
as
facilitators
for
bnb
type
lodging.
V
It's
a
good
question.
Definitely
something
to
keep
our
eye
on
right
now.
Airbnb
is
still
the
dominant
player,
so
that's
kind
of
the
low
hanging
fruit
for
sure
and
for
a
long
time.
Vrbo
also
has
a
kind
of
a
built-in
tax
collection
and
permission
system.
They
use
avalara,
but
you're
right,
there's
expedia
getting
into
it.
V
There
are
other
players,
and
so
I
think
it's
something
that
we
track
with
data
and,
as
we've
talked
about
a
council
in
the
past,
you
know
you
know,
there's
also
some
interest
on
the
part
of
the
industry
and
having
the
city
look
at
right.
You
know
other
types
of
rules,
you
know
related
zoning,
etc
and
they're.
V
The
county
is
looking
at
contracting
with
a
third-party
vendor
to
support
basically
tracking
the
information
and
also
support
them
with
compliance
with
their
county
room
tax.
There's
an
opportunity
for
us
to
partner
with
them
in
that,
if
we
needed
to
pursue
individual
properties,
we
would
have
some
more
tools.
V
Basically,
if,
if
the
county
does
move
forward
with
that
contract
with
with
that
vendor,
so
yeah,
I
think
I
think
we'll
definitely
be
keeping
our
our
eye
on
it
and
trying
to
you
know,
respond
and
come
up
with
solutions
to
make
sure
we
maximize
compliance
with
the
new
room
tax
law.
N
Just
to
close
the
loop
a
little
more
clearly
on
your
question
of
a
moment
ago,
cynthia
I
just
pulled
up
the
actual
statutory
language
from
the
state
bill
that
authorized
the
room
tax
and
what
we
got
authorized.
There
was
that
the
funding
could
be
spent
on
construction
promotion,
maintenance,
capital
improvements
and
operations
of
the
conference
center
and
other
directly
related
and
supporting
activities,
including
all
financial
costs
and
obligations
incurred
by
the
city
related
to
the
creation
of
the
conference
center.
N
N
D
All
right,
thank
you,
so
I
think
donna
had
a
comment
or
a
question.
M
Yeah,
I
have
a
couple
questions
for
tom
on,
so
I'm
looking
at
our
agenda
packet,
which
is
page
39
for
us,
so
you
mentioned
the
four
percent.
The
county
will
contribute
four
percent
of
county
room
tax,
which
you
estimate
will
be
somewhere
between
seventy
six
thousand
and
a
hundred
and
eleven
thousand
so
on
and
so
forth.
You
mentioned
that
and
then
you
mentioned
the
dia
fifty
thousand
dollars
per
year.
Now,
why
don't?
M
We
see
those
two
funding
sources
in
the
on
the
next
page,
we're
under
under
revenue,
because
we
we're
show
your
show
the
you
show
the
room
tax
and
then
you
show
the
downtown
hotel
sponsorship
at
50
grand
a
year.
I
don't
understand
why
the
dia
contribution
and
the
county
room
tax
are
not
there.
So
that's
one
question.
V
Yeah,
that's
a
good
question.
Dia
one
is
the
easiest
answer:
they
they
start
their
payments
in
2024.
So
there
aren't
any
payments
from
the
dia
before
that,
but.
V
2024
is
year
one.
This
is
an
operating
pro
forma,
essentially
so
there's
actually
a
three-year
period
when
we're
collecting
roon
tax
yeah
and
actually
we're
also
collecting
payments
from
the
county.
M
V
That
don't
that
don't
show
up
here,
because
this
assumes
a
mid-2024
opening,
and
so
the
total
that
I
estimate
will
be
collected
in
county
room
tax
yeah
in
2021,
2022
and
2023
will
be
around
280
thousand
dollars.
M
V
And
that
amount
would
be
available
to
the
city
to
use
in
support
of
the
conference
center
in
whatever
way
you
know
made
the
most
sense
for
the
project.
My
sense
is
that
the
best
use
of
those
funds
will
be
to
support
some
of
the
pre-opening
soft
costs.
V
But,
for
example,
if
we
needed
a
portion
of
those
funds
to
go
somewhere
else,
and
we
had
the
flexibility
and
the
soft
cost
budget,
we
could
put
them
there.
So
they're
kind
of
they're
kind
of
fungible,
flexible
funds
for
us.
M
But
I
still,
I
still
don't
understand
why
they're
not
why
they're
not
in
the
pro
forma.
V
Yeah
no
good
question
I
mean
the
reason
is
that
the
pro
forma
begins
in
2024
and
all
those
that
three
year
period
starts
now
and
goes
from
from
now
until
mid-2024.
So
it's
it's.
I
think
it's
referenced
separately
in
the
memo,
what
happens
with
both
pre-opening
hotel
room,
occupancy
tax
revenues
and
county
payments,
but
it's
it's
not
in
the
pro
forma,
because
the
performer
really
starts
on
the
day
that
the
conference
center
opens.
M
Okay,
I'm
sorry
to
belabor
this,
but
you
refer
to
the
county
tax
growing
to
more
than
two
thousand
hundred
thousand
dollars
annually
by
the
year.
Thirty.
V
The
the
county
payments
start
showing
up
in
the
pro
forma
beginning
in
in
2024,
okay,.
M
V
Three-Year
period
of
of
county
payments
that
are
not
that
are
not
included
in
the
pro
formula.
M
Y
Sorry
tom
can
I
jump
in
and
maybe
help
with
just
one
piece
of
this,
so
the
the
performa
for
the
actual
capital
project
is
a
separate
document,
and
that
is
where
you'd
be
able
to
see
more
clearly
donna
like
the
extra
money
from
the
hotels
that's
coming
in
towards
the
capital.
Construction
cost
is
reflected
in
that
document.
It's
not
in
this
packet.
This
is
not
the
construction
pro
forma.
Y
This
is
the
operating
pro
forma
and
they're,
just
they're
just
two
different
places,
so
the
the
room
tax,
that's
going
in
on
the
front
end
towards
capital,
which
is
where
maybe
tom,
would
be
also
reflecting
the
county's
contribution
on
the
front
end
might
be
going
into
that
bucket
of
money.
That's
on
the
the
capital
project
document,
the
actual
construction
forma,
not
the
operating
proforma.
So
that's
why
you're
not
seeing
some
of
those
extra
contributions
on
this
document?
M
All
right,
never
mind,
I'm
going
down
a
rabbit
hole
here.
So
so
looking.
M
M
But
I
know
I'm
in
the
minority
and
that's
all
my
questions.
Z
Well
I'll
just
say
that
it's
not
unusual
for
conference
activities
to
be
paid
for
by
the
people
who
are
coming
to
visit
the
conferences,
it's
sort
of
how
it's
fed
right.
The
people
will
come
to
the
conferences
stay
in
the
hotels,
they'll
pay
the
tax.
The
tax
pays
for
the
conference
space,
it's
how
it
would
work
if
the
conference
center
were
built
into
one
of
the
hotels,
but
in
this
case
the
downtown
hotels
are
going
to
split
the
the
business
more
or
less
equally,
so
the
tax
helps
it
work
in
that
fashion.
A
L
D
I
had
a
question
about
which
is
kind
of
related
to
this.
Actually,
the
the
airbnb,
because
you
mentioned
tom,
I
think,
when
you
were
in
your
presentation,
that
you
know
the
two
percent
assumption
growth
of
the
the
room.
Taxes
is
conservative.
D
V
So
I
I,
if
I
understand
your
question
correctly,
you
know
I
I
was
speaking
about
the
historic
rate
of
growth
of
revenues
in
the
lodging
industry
and
to
answer
your
question:
yes,
that
historic
rate
of
growth
in
watching
industry
would
include
airbnb.
It
would
include
the
growth
in
supply
over
time
of
hotels
in
our
market
and
peggy.
You
were
about
to
say
something-
and
I
know
you're
close
to
this
as
well.
D
I
think
it's
really
important
that
it's
included,
that
the
tax
include
that,
because
I
think
that
would
be
a
more
accurate
reflection
of
those
numbers
that
you're
you're
referring
and
you
know
I
it
sounds
like
you're
playing
there's
a
plan
to
to
do
this.
I
wasn't
really
sure
what
you
meant
by
pursue
is
it.
Is
this
something
that
we
know?
Does
the
enabling
legislation
like
allow
us
to
expand
this?
The
room
tax
to
airbnb?
Is
that
something
that
is
there
a
plan
like?
D
AA
D
Us
a
cushion,
at
least,
you
said,
I
think
it
was
like
two
hundred
thousand
dollars.
V
V
If
you
pass
this
legislation,
they
will
be
required
by
law
to
register
and
pay
the
tax.
We
know
from
experience
and
history
that
it
is
very
challenging
to
collect
the
tax
from
well
peggy,
just
posted
the
number
of
folks
in
the
county,
hundreds
and
hundreds
of
individual
property
owners
who
may
or
may
not
see
themselves
as
being
a
lodging
operator
in
the
community
as
subject
to
business
requirements
or
this
tax.
V
The
law
is
quite
clear
that
they
are
subject
to
it,
but
you
have
a
you:
have
a
you:
have
a
compliance
and
collection
and
enforcement
problem
on
your
hands.
The
way
to
solve
that
problem
is
to
go
directly
to
airbnb
and
say:
hey.
V
We
we
increased
compliance
with
the
room
tax
by
airbnb
hosts
from
maybe
25
to
30
to
100
overnight.
So
do
I
have
confidence
that
the
airbnb
is
willing
to
enter
into
a
voluntary
collection
agreement
with
the
city?
Yes,
I
do
because
they've
done
it
with
the
county
and
the
county
has
actually
been
a
very
recent
conversation
with
them
about
this,
because
the
county
last
week
voted
to
increase
their
tax
on
smaller,
lodging
properties
of
ten
rooms
and
under
from
three
to
five
percent.
V
So
they
need
to
go
back
to
airbnb
to
modify
their
agreement
airbnb.
So
I've
been
in
touch
with
jonathan
wood,
the
county
attorney
about
that,
and
he
said
yeah,
I'm
I'm
in
touch
with
general
counsel.
They
have
no
issue
with
it,
so
I
assume
we
would
also
have
no
issues.
Does
that
answer
your
questions.
D
Yeah
yeah-
and
I
guess
the
concern
is
just
that
you
know
if,
if
the
two
percent
as
your
assumptions
right
now
calculations
right
now,
it
sounds
like
the
two
percent
only
applies
to
the
hotels.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
you
know
there
actually
has
been
historically
two
percent
growth
in
the
hotel
industry
and
that
you're
not
sort
of
relying
on
this
broader
number
of
like
the
airbnb
and
the
small
inns
and
the
rest
for
calculating
that
number.
I.
W
D
B
V
D
P
Comment
so,
while
I
have
stated
that
I'm
not
actually
in
support
of
the
conference
center-
and
I
will
vote
that
way,
knowing
that
I'm
in
the
minority
in
the
conference
center
is
underway,
I
want
the
city
to
be
successful.
I
want
to
secure
our
financial
future
and
that's
why
I'm
going
to
support
this
vote
thanks.
D
All
right
further
discussion,
all
those
in
favor
all
those
opposed
and
that
carries
401.,
and
then
we
have
the
final
resolution,
which
is
the
city
participation
to
finance
the
public
portions
of
the
green
street,
garage
mixed
juice,
urban
renewal
project,
so
I'll
just
I'll.
Just
try
to
summarize
this.
As
best
I
can
it's
another
long
resolution,
so
vecino
has
proposed
separate
financing
for
each
of
the
three
major
components
of
the
mixed
use:
project:
the
affordable
housing,
the
parking
garage
renovation
and
construction
and
the
conference
center.
D
D
And
then
it
lists
the
the
major
parties
and
roles
involved
in
the
contemplative
funding,
which
is
the
tompkins
county
industrial
development
agency,
yestery
conference
center
llc,
which
would
be
the
owner
of
the
conference
center.
D
Mnt's
banks
leasehold
mortgage,
an
assignment
of
rents
held
on
the
green
street
garage
premises,
and
so
the
results
just
kind
of
list.
Basically
what
I've
just
said,
those
terms
so
I'll
move
the
rest
as
as
written
and
seconded
by
steve
discussion.
I
don't
know
nels
did
you
actually
have
like
a
presentation
on
this
or
is
it
more
just
sort
of
a
q,
a.
R
I
think,
in
more
of
a
q
a
I
did
have
that
memo
in
the
packet
that
tried
to
explain
the
efforts-
and
I
think
you
know
the
framework
you
want
to
I
I
we
kept
in
mind
looking
at
this-
was
we're
trying
to
find
a
way
to
build
public
components
of
the
project.
R
So
we
can't
expect
the
developer
to
to
finance
this
and
take
this
on
unless
we
can
mitigate
the
risk
associated
with
it,
they
are
willing
to
be
the
technical
ower
of
the
bonds,
but
they
can
only
do
that
if
they
have
lease
agreements
in
which
the
beneficiaries
of
those
public
components
agree
to
make
payments
to
them
sufficient
to
repay
the
bonds.
And
so
we
looked
at
a
couple
of
different
approaches
to
financing
this.
You
know
bank,
financing
or
general
obligation.
R
Debt
like
the
city
does
on
a
lot
of
other
public
components,
and
really
this
seemed
to
be
the
most
advantageous
means
of
financing
it
because
it
locks
in
our
historically
low
interest
rates
during
at
the
issuance
of
the
bonds
that
will
stay
steady
for
the
32
or
33-year
term.
We've
got
low
interest
rates
now,
and
we
want
to
try
to
lock
those
in
at
a
fixed
rate.
You
can't
get
that
with
bank
financing
and
actually
general
obligation.
Debt
financing
for
the
city
usually
doesn't
go
30
years
either.
R
So
we're
trying
to
keep
an
affordable
rent
payment
for
the
conference
center
in
the
parking
garage,
knowing
that
these
facilities
are
going
to
last
at
least
30
years
at
the
lowest
cost
possible,
and
that
requires
the
city
to
take
a
role
to
support.
The
two
projects
with
the
conference
center,
as
times
explained,
is
primarily
through
the
hotel
tax
collections,
which
will
be
supporting
that
for
the
parking
garage
it'll
be
through
parking.
R
Revenues
from
the
project
will
be
the
chief
source
of
resources
available
to
the
extent
that
that
covers
it.
We
do
expect
that
there
will
be
a
gap
between
the
revenues
from
the
parking
garage
and
the
actual
cost,
because
above
ground
parking
is
very
expensive
and
we
have,
as
a
community,
really
supported
the
concept
of
shared
parking
in
a
downtown
area
that
doesn't
interrupt
the
urban
fabric
and
tries
to
maximize
you
know
the
minimum
number
of
parking
spaces
downtown
to
support
everybody's
needs
at
a
shared
parking
facility
operated
by
the
city.
R
You
could
argue
that
the
parking
rates
are
also
a
subsidy
to
the
users
because
they
do
not
cover
the
true
costs.
So
this
is
really
an
effort
to
try
to
find
the
best
way
to
finance
this
project
and
the
debt
service
on
the
bonds
is
in
tom's
pro
forma.
As
that
rent
payment,
which
was
1.55
million,
projected
for
the
conference
center
and
we're
projecting
about
84
840
000
a
year
for
the
parking
garage.
D
Thanks
questions
comments,
donna.
M
Yeah
so
now,
as
I'm
looking
at
your
memo,
which
is
on
page
62
of
our
packet
and
I'm
wondering
if
you
could
like
give
me
like
the
kindergarten
version
of
steps,
one
through
seven
so
step,
one
tcida
issues,
taxable
lease
revenue
bonds
with
proceeds
flowing
to
casino.
Does
that
mean
tcida
borrows
money
from
somewhere.
R
No,
it
doesn't
mean
that
really
what
it
means
is
that
the
ida
is
going
to
be
the
issuer
of
of
the
bonds,
but
they're,
not
the
buyers
of
the
bonds
they're
going
to
put
those
make
those
available
on
the
market
for
bond
purchasers
to
buy
those
bonds
based
on
the
structure.
That's
designed
here
so.
R
A
conduit
they're
not
taking
a
risk
position,
they're
facilitating
the
issuance
of
bonds,
they
have
the
power
to
issue
bonds
and
we've
asked
them
to
support
this
and
they've
agreed
that
they
would
play
that
role
as
an
issuer
of
of
the
bonds.
But
they
really
don't
have
any
financial
obligation
to
repay
those
bonds.
They
push
that
on
to
vesino
in
this
case,
which
then
passes
them
on
to
the
tax.
R
This
is
where
it
gets
kind
of
overly
complicated,
and
the
reason
for
that
is,
the
idea
has
to
have
a
way
to
assign
the
tax-exempt
the
pilot
agreements
and
the
tax
abatements
and
the
way
the
ida
does,
that
is
they
take
leasehold
interest
of
the
property.
The
ida
is
a
tax-exempt
entity,
so
they
can
then
then
negotiate
a
payment
and
loop
program
with
the
developer
or
the
property
owner
at
that
point,
and
this
is
the
method
they
use.
They
take
a
leasehold
interest
in
the
property
and
they
lease
it
right
back
to
the
developer.
R
So
that's
the
lease
and
the
lease
back,
I'm
just
yeah
and
then,
and
so
then
the
cno
would
do
what
was
technically
a
sub
lease
to
to
the
parking
garage
for
the
parking
garage
in
the
conference
center.
R
M
D
Any
other
questions
I
I
had
a
question
just
about
the
parking
revenues
just
reading
through
this,
it
seems
like
the
assumption
is
that
the
revenues
from
the
hotel
tax
will
cover
the
lease
for
the
conference
center,
but
it
sounds
like
there's
you're,
anticipating
a
short
shortfall
with
the
the
parking
garage
revenues
coming
in
is.
That
is
the
assumption
that
there
will
be
more
parking
or
there
will
be,
will
down
the
line.
There
will
be
a
need
to
raise
rates
to
cover
that
is
that
something
that
we're
assuming
or.
R
Where
generally
where
we
would
be
with
this,
we
would
not
generate
enough
revenues
to
repay
the
debt
on
the
bonds
for
the
new
construction.
R
We
expect
with
381
new
housing
units
built
on
this
super
block,
along
with
a
conference
center
that
there's
going
to
be
a
lot
of
induced
demand
for
parking
and
that
there
should
be
a
higher
occupancy
rate
and,
as
we
increase
the
occupancy
rates,
it's
often
very
appropriate
to
look
at
the
part.
You
know
the
occupancy
rates
will
increase
and
then
there
could
be
a
potential
increase
in
the
parking
rates.
D
R
To
the
extent
we
I
mean,
we
have
capacity
at
the
keuger
garage
as
well,
so
once
that
one,
if
we
can
push
some
of
the
demand
over
to
kew
garage,
that
would
also
help
offset
the
overall
city
subsidy
for
parking,
because
we
can
continue
to
fill
that
up
as
well
and
create
some
more
revenue
there.
So
I
think
it
makes
sense
to
take
a
look
at
it
in
the
larger
downtown
public
parking
sphere,
but
I
don't
want
to
sugarcoat
it
public
parking
in
upstate
new
york.
R
P
In
my
earlier
today,
I
had
a
list
of
questions
which
both
nells
and
tom
very
diligently
and
thoroughly
answered.
Thank
you
to
both
of
you.
You
may
not
have
seen
and
at
the
very
bottom
of
that
email.
I
had
offered
a
slight
edit
to
that
final
resolved,
just
to
say
that
in
that
first
bullet
point
execution
of
a
city,
tompkins
county
agreement,
to
provide
four
percent
of
county
room
tax
collections
to
support
the
conference
center.
P
I
just
wanted
to
include
that
in
case
you
didn't
see
it
yeah.
M
So
now,
as
you
commented
earlier
about
the
city,
the
contributions
from
the
city,
making
a
public
commitment,
the
city's
taking
some
risk,
isn't
the
fact
that
the
city
is
selling
this
property
for
just
a
dollar.
R
No,
I
think
that
is.
It
does
show
that
there's
very
strong
commitment
by
the
city
to
support
this
project,
I
think
the
affordable
housing
component
is,
is
maybe
the
driver
for
the
public
benefit
initially,
because
we
didn't
know
if
the
conference
center
was
going
to
be
feasible
at
that
point
in
time,
and
that
was
that
is,
that
is
part
of
the
consideration
the
state
has
taken
in
looking
at
their
you
know.
R
Not
sufficient
to
repay
bond
costs
for
the
yeah
there's,
it
really
doesn't
help
cover
the
bond
repayments
in
any
direct
way,
because
there's
no
vasino
is
not
seeking
to
make
a
profit
on
the
garage
or
the
conference
center.
They're.
G
M
Yeah,
I'm
not
ready
to
vote
yeah
go
ahead.
D
That's
very
profound:
I
see
cynthia
had
her
hand
up.
P
Yeah
I
mean
I
I
shared
donna's
hesitation,
I
mean
this
is
this
is
a
very
difficult
time.
I
understand
people's
desire
to
get
back
to
normal
people's
desire
to
to
see
some
normalcy.
You
know
in
december
we
had
not
heard
about
the
the
british
variant
now
there's
a
variant
that
was
that's
coming
out
of
brazil.
You
know
so
we
are
far
from
the
end
of
this,
and
this
is
a
huge
commitment
on
behalf
of
the
city
and
obligation
and
it's
this
is
hard,
it's
hard.
So
I
I
appreciate
donna's
hesitation.
D
Yeah,
I
think
it's
a
huge
it's
a
huge
decision
and
there,
as
we've
said
throughout
the
evening.
I
think
there
is
some
risk
to
it.
You
know,
I
think,
though,
if
you
look
at,
we
have
to
rebuild
our
parking
garage,
I
mean
that's,
you
know.
If
we
weren't
doing
this
project,
we
would
be
pouring,
however
many
millions
of
dollars
into
rebuilding
the
garage.
D
We
need
affordable
housing
in
our
community
and
we
desperately
need
affordable
housing
in
the
core
of
the
city
and
we've
talked
for
years,
and
the
chamber
of
commerce
has
been
in
the
dia
and
groups
that
are
really
invested
in
the
conference.
Industry
have
been
pushing
for
years
to
expand
conference
space
downtown
because
there's
a
demand
for
it
and
we've
seen
that,
and
I
agree
that
the
pandemic
is
is
frightening.
D
D
That
right
now,
as
has
been
said,
I
think
that,
even
though
I
don't
think
we'll
ever
get
back
to
the
normality
that
we
experienced
pre
covet,
I'm
hopeful-
and
I
know
that
you
know
the
community
continues
to
be
hopeful,
and
certainly
the
county,
which
has
done
unbelievable
work.
Responding
to
this
pandemic
locally
continues
to
be
hopeful
that
we
will
persevere
and
we
will
move
past
this
terrible
time
and
will
emerge
stronger
because
of
it.
D
So
I
I
remember
I
choose
to
be
hopeful,
even
though
I
understand,
and
I'm
certainly
conscious
of
the
risk
involved
with
this
project.
P
Yeah,
you
know,
I
think,
if,
if
this
were
a
project
with
the
parking
with
the
housing,
more
housing
and
then
included
something
like
again
like
a
bus
depot,
I
don't
think
any
of
us
would
be
voting
against
it,
but
the
pandemic
is.
This
is
something
new.
This
is
something
unusual
until
the
world
has
access
to
vaccines
until
the
variant
doesn't
you
know
now,
this
new
variant
is
saying
that
people
who've
gotten
it
are
getting
sick
again.
P
So
you
know
it's
it's
disturbing
and
I
I
think
that
of
all
times
to
be
putting
constraints
on
what
the
city
can
be
spending
money
on
now
is
not
the
time
and
the
the
city
obligation
for
the
next
30
years
is
what
gives
me
great.
D
Pause
any
other
comments,
excellent
conscience,
all
right,
ready
to
vote
all
those
in
favor
and
all
those
opposed,
and
that
carries
three
too.
I
I
really
want
to
thank
especially
nels
and
tom
on
the
city,
side
and
obviously
jennifer
and
peggy,
and
everybody
else
who
have
worked
so
hard.
I
mean
this
has
been
unbelievable.
This
is
a
very,
very
challenging
project.
It's
really
complicated.
It's
got
a
lot
of
intricate
moving
parts,
but
I
think
the
project
really
reflects
the
values
of
this
of
this
community.
D
You
know
being
creative
about
the
rebuild
of
a
big
parking
garage,
downtown
and
figuring
out
how
to
work
in
our
affordable
housing
goals
and
also
our
goals.
You
know
it's
to
expand.
You
know
conference
activity
in
in
our
community.
I
think
this
is
it's
incredibly
laudable
effort,
and
I
just
really
wanted
to
thank
all
of
you
for
for
the
incredible
work
that
you've
done
to
get
us
to
this
point.
P
C
Yes
and
I'm
just
gonna
let
ian
shapiro
and
nick
goldsmith
him.
D
Okay,
so
hello
to
nick
and
ian
so
just
to
clarify
I
mean
this
is
another
big
thing:
we've
been
working
on
for
for
many
years
and
just
to
clarify
tonight
we're
we're
getting
sort
of
a
first
review
of
this
and
we'll
be
voting
to
circulate
it
for
more
public
comment.
I
know
we've
gotten
a
lot
of
public
comment
already
a
lot
of
people
who
emailed
us
today
and
last
month
and
we'll
circulate
this
for
for
comment
and
then
it'll
come
back
and
I
believe,
we'll
hold
a
public
hearing
next
month.
F
D
Least
next
month
of
the
following
month,
hold
a
public
hearing.
It's
just
to
get
that
wider
community
input,
it'll.
C
Probably
be
next
month
right.
G
C
D
Yeah,
so
I
guess
at
this
point
you
know
I
could
open
it
up.
I
don't
know
nick
or
ian.
If
you
have
any
sort
of
preliminary
words
you
want
to
say
about
this
or
we
can
just
sort
of
open
it
up
for
for
q,
a.
C
I
just
wanted
to
sort
of
lay
a
little
bit
of
the
groundwork
for
for
this,
and
I
know,
there's
been
quite
a
bit
of
you
know
quite
a
lot
of
emails
and
some
criticism
about
the
length
of
time
it
has
taken
to
do
this.
C
I
do
want
to
remind
everyone
that
you
know
we
did
start
this
several
years
ago,
but
in
that
time
frame
was
also
the
pandemic
which
slowed
us
up
and
also
the
you
know,
the
the
launching
of
the
green
new
deal,
which
we
spent
a
considerable
amount
of
time
on
and
with
nick
to
kind
of
launch
that
and
support
the
mayor
in
that
effort,
and
so,
but
now
we're
getting
to
a
point
where
we're
really
closing
in
on
it,
and
so
I'm
going
to
let
nick
and
ian
take
over,
but
I
I
did
just
want
to
put
that
out
there
for
for
people
who
are
watching
this.
C
B
Yeah,
why
don't
I
just
give
you
a
if
it's
okay,
a
quick
update
of
where
the
documents
are
at
this
point.
I
also
wanted
to
acknowledge.
One
of
the
great
things
that
happened
today
is
is
that
the
u.s
is
back
in
the
paris
climate
agreement,
so
on
the
right
track
again,
so
the
ordinance
there
was
one
substantive
change
which
I'm
happy
to
show
you
it's
one
line.
There
was
a
error
but
kind
of
big
error.
B
Where
we
incorrectly
stated
the
the
grace
period
was
nothing
when
in
fact
we're
proposing
a
90-day
grace
period
between
adoption
and
effective
date.
That's
in
line
with
state
code.
We've
got
consensus
on
that
from
the
town
and
the
city,
heads
of
planning
and
codes
and
buildings
agree
that
90
days
would
be
inappropriate.
So
that's
what's
in
the
ordinance
now
and
then
for
the
energy
code
supplement
several
changes,
but
I
would
say
non-substantive
so
I've.
B
You
know
I
marked
in
that
review
copy
that
was
in
the
agenda
packet,
which
sections
are
still
being
worked
on,
so
those
are
now
more
advanced,
we're
nearly
done
with
the
performance
path,
whole
building
path
and
the
future
sections
renewable
energy,
as
indicated
in
the
document,
still
needs
to
be
updated,
so
I'm
shooting
for
a
end
of
week.
Maybe
a
little
work
needed
over
the
weekend
to
finish
up
the
energy
code
supplement
draft.
D
Great,
so
are
there
any
questions?
I
know
that
we
have
received
a
lot
of
emails
on
the
you
know,
specifically
from
sunrise,
and
they
had
laid
out
a
sort
of
set
of
bulleted
concerns.
I
don't
know
nick
if
you
had
had
a
chance
to
look
at
those.
B
D
There
was
the
concern
about
the
framing
that
there
I
guess
there
had
been
some
language
about
climate
change
that
had
been
in
the
previous
draft
that
it,
I
guess,
is
not
in
this
one
and
then
there
was
there
was
a
number
of
other
concerns
that
they
had
had
listed.
I
could
probably
find
the
email.
B
Yeah,
so
I
will
say
that
from
the
last
draft
that
was
august
2019,
we
got
a
couple
hundred
comments,
there's
a
few
new
slants
to
the
comments,
but
mostly
as
we've
addressed
in
some
way
or
other
so
they've
been
reviewed
and
have
made
changes
to
the
document.
Accordingly.
From
those
previous
comments,
I'm
happy
to
address
the
ones
that
came
in
today
specifically,
but
I
don't
know
if
you
want-
maybe
just
ask
if
you're
interested
in
specific
ones,
I'm
happy
to
address
them
with
dean's
help.
D
I
mean
the
one
that
we
heard
a
lot
of
is
that
the
six
points
is
now
is
insufficient
and
that
we
should
increase
it
to
12.
B
Okay
and
I'm
going
to
take
a
stab
at
this
and
then
kick
it
to
you
so
yeah,
it's
it's
fair
enough,
so
so
a
lot
of
the
comments
from
before
also
we're
on
the
same
line
of
why
not
advance
the
timeline
instead
of
waiting
for
2025
or
2030.
Why
not
move
up
those
timelines
to
make
it
more
stringent?
Why
not
ban
natural
gas
sooner?
Why
not
require
net
zero
sooner
we've
gotten
several
comments
in
that
line.
B
I
will
say,
regarding
the
12
points
immediately,
I'm
a
little
hesitant
to
do
that,
partly
because
I'd
like
to
see
how
it
works
sort
of
as
planned.
First,
even
if
it's
for
a
shorter
period
and
part
of
that
reason,
is
that
the
12
points.
B
A
I
think
you
captured
it
well,
nick
all
right.
D
Yeah
I
mean
you
know,
I
obviously
I
don't
know
this
nearly
as
well
as
the
two
of
you
do,
but
it
kind
of
seems
to
me
that
most
of
the
projects
that
are
going
up
now
and
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
would
meet
this.
Is
that
correct,
better
being
bill.
B
I
will
say
that
a
lot
of
projects
have
been
using
it
as
a
yardstick
they
have
been
saying
either
we
aim
to
pass
the
energy
code
supplement
or
here's
how
we
stack
up
we'll
get
four
points,
but
they
are
already
using
it
as
a
tool.
Joanne
do
you
have
any
more
to
say
about
the
likelihood
of
existing?
You
know
current
projects
passing.
C
I
think
most
of
them
are,
you
know
we
do
tell
them
to
look
at
our
energy
code
supplement,
although
it's
not
been
adopted,
that
they
should
be
striving
towards
that,
and
I
think
that
most
of
the
projects
not
all
and
of
course
there
are
always
some
some
issues
with
it,
but
most
of
the
developers
are
looking
at
it
and
are
trying
to
hit
those
marks
for
the
you
know
for
the
success
of
their
project
because
it
ultimately
it's
going
to
be
less
expensive
and
more
environment,
environmentally
friendly
for
them.
C
B
And
I
should
I
should
mention
one
more
point
actually
too,
which
is
that
there's
a
healthy
idea
incentive
available
if
you,
if
you
do
the
ian
it's
the
2025
requirements
currently
which
gets
you
the
iga
standard.
Is
that
incentive?
Is
that
correct.
A
A
You
know,
which
is
that
the
residential
heat
pumps
have
come
down
in
cost,
so
we've
got
people
using
them
just
purely
for
cost
reasons.
Not
for
environmental
means.
That's
not
the
case.
Quite
yet,
with
commercial
heat.
D
C
Correct
me,
if
I'm
wrong
nick,
but
I
do
I'm-
we
do
want
to
collect
the
comments,
including
those
that
came
in
today
and
then,
if
we
circulate
it,
the
comments
that
come
in
over
the
next
couple
of
weeks
and
they
will
be
addressed
and
they'll,
be
looked
at
and
and
will
formulate
answers
to
those
that,
then
you
will
be
able
to
review
and
should
some
of
those
concerns
that
were
raised
today
or
in
previous
comments,
make
sense
to
change.
C
Then
those
you
know
that
recommendation
will
be
brought
back
to
the
planning
committee
and
ultimately,
the
common
council,
so
does
that
make
sense
nick.
Is
that
that's
what
we
talked
about
today
right.
B
Yeah,
that
makes
perfect
sense.
I
mean
I
I
can
comment
on
just
a
couple
of
them
that
we
already
have
thought
out
fairly
well
from
the
previous
round
of
comments.
So
the
last
one
I'm
going
off
of
the
the
list
that
rebecca
evans
mentioned.
J
B
Bullet
points,
so
so
her
last
one
making
new
york
stretch
code
mandatory.
We
did
discuss
that.
You
know
from
day
one
of
developing
this
energy
code.
One
of
the
things
we
really
wanted
to
focus
on
besides
reducing
emissions,
was
keeping
construction
affordable.
That
was
stated
as
a
really
strong
value
for
the
city
and
the
town,
and
that
gets
to
the
point
of
that's
the
closer
we
get
to
the
social
justice
argument
that
the
folks
from
sunrise
are
making
too.
B
So
affordability
is
a
big
emphasis
and
we
didn't
want
to
include
making
the
stretch
code
mandatory
because
it's
we
don't
see
it
as
affordable
for
the
amount
of
greenhouse
gas
reduction.
You
get.
We
wanted
to
make
it
an
option,
but
it's
not
in
the
affordability
section
there.
We
think
it's
a
good
option.
We
wanted
to
support
that
state
effort,
but
didn't
believe
that
making
it
the
baseline
for
all
buildings
was
the
way
to
go.
B
There
are
the
town
of
bedford,
who
we
are
partnering
with
on
a
different
project,
are
considering
that
either
this
past
week
or
the
next
week.
I
believe.
B
I
think
that
compared
to
some
of
the
other
elements
in
the
code
as
written,
it's
more
expensive
per
unit
of
carbon
reduced.
If
that
makes
sense-
and
also
I
want
to
note-
I
mean
it-
is
part
of
the
code-
our
code
seeks
a
40,
immediate
reduction
in
emissions.
The
stretch
code
is
something
in
the
ian.
Is
it
5
to
15
range
somewhere
in
there.
B
B
And
actually,
maybe
I'll
also
mention
one
of
the
other
concerns
that
came
up
from
some
of
the
commenters,
which
was
they
were
referring
to
the
point.
Op5
other
points,
five,
which
is
this
custom
energy
improvement.
B
This
is
the
one
it's
through
the
easy
path,
but
let's
say
you
use
some
technology
or
some
method
of
reducing
energy
use,
which
is
not
on
the
list
you're
free
to
do
that,
as
long
as
you
can
prove
the
energy
reduction
in
a
previous
version.
There
was
a
prerequisite
for
that
point,
which
was
that
no
fossil
fuels
be
used
in
the
building,
so
it
had
to
be
an
all-electric
building.
Already
due
to
comments
we
got
in
the
last
round,
we
decided
to
remove
that
exemption.
B
In
other
words,
even
if
you
have
a
gas
heated
building,
but
you
made
it
more
efficient,
you
could
earn
that
point
and
why?
I
guess,
because
partly
we
are
already
allowing
gas
projects
as
written,
although
I
know
there's
a
lot
of
discussion
to
be
had
there
too,
if
we're
allowing
gas
well,
we
felt
because
some
people
commented
that
way
we
had
to
we
could
give
in
that
area.
So
in
some
ways
the
newest
version
is
a
little
more
stringent
than
the
old
version.
B
D
B
Yes,
so
I
do
want
to
make
the
point
that
we
have
analyzed
the
code
and
a
ban
on
natural
gas.
Whether
it
happens
now
or
in
the
future
is
totally
would
mesh
fine
with
the
code
as
written.
It
doesn't
know
any
work
we've
done.
B
The
effect
would
essentially
be
people
will
be
starting
off
with
more
points,
most
likely
to
be
using
heat
pumps.
So
you
get
the
points
for
the
heat
pumps,
but
it
doesn't
require
any
changes
to
the
code
if
we
were
to
as
a
part
of
the
code
as
a
separate
initiative,
if
we
were
to
ban
fossil
fuels
in
new
construction.
B
D
M
Yeah,
could
you
could
you
comment
on?
I
didn't
understand
on
the
rationale
that
some
of
the
well:
it's
not
some
of
the
people.
Since
everybody
used
the
same
language,
whoever
originally
wrote
that
email
I
didn't
unders.
Could
you
comment
on
what
the
possible
rationale
is
for
them
to
want
to
eliminate
the
walkability
criterion.
B
I
can
speculate,
I
don't
know
if
that's
helpful,
I,
like
speculation,.
M
B
B
I
guess
individual
thought
to
add
flesh
to
the
sunrise
recommendations,
but
this
person
was
saying
that
most
because
most
projects
in
the
city
of
ithaca-
or
I
don't
think
it's
totally
accurate,
but
I
agree
that
many
projects
in
the
city
of
iska
would
get
it
anyway.
H
D
D
So
unless
there's
further
questions
on
this,
I
guess
we
can
just
move
to
circulate.
Does
that
sound
right?
Is
there
a
motion
to
circulate
moved
by
cynthia,
second
by
donna
all
in
favor,
of
sending
this
out
for
circulation
and
that
carries
unanimously
so
we'll?
I
guess
we'll
be
back
next
month
and
we'll
continue
this
conversation
and
thank
you
both
for
joining
us
tonight
and
answering
our
questions
and.
B
May
I
ask
a
clarifying
question
yeah
thanks.
I
appreciate
the
willingness
to.
Certainly
I
think
it's
will
be
welcomed
by
the
community,
given
that
it's
very
close
to
a
much
more
done
phase.
Is
it
okay
with
this
group?
If
I
take
the
weekend
finish
it
up
and
then
circulate
that
version
starting
next
week?
Yes,.
C
Yeah
we
talked
about
it
today
and
there
really
are,
you
know
it
won't
change
the
intent
or
it's
not
substantive
it'll
just
be,
and
it's
clearly
outlined
in
the
document
that
you
received
what
the
updates
are
for.
C
P
So
just
a
process
question
so
that
people
in
the
who
might
be
watching
could
understand
this.
So
we
have
the
the
version.
That's
in
the
agenda
packet,
which
is
now
publicly
available
it's
on
the
website.
We
know
that
nick
is
going
to
do
some
work.
P
B
What
we've
done
in
the
past
is
is
to
email
it
out
to
our
list.
There's
a
ithaca
green
building
website
which
we'll
also
post
it
on
and
if
there's
another
place
on
the
city
website.
To
put
it,
I
think,
joann's
indicating
we
can
do
that.
Also.
P
So
it'd
be
like
under
go
under
department
and
then
planning
and
then
ethically
building
I
mean
because
our
website
is
not
really
intuitive,
so
if
we
could
just
say
really
quickly
how
somebody
would
find
it
so
that
they
would
know
where
to
look,
because,
honestly,
sometimes
with
our
city
website,
if
I
don't
know
exactly
where
to
look,
I
just
can't
find.
H
B
G
AA
But
I
will,
I
will
chime
in
to
say
that
when
we
redid
the
website,
we
did
try
to
put
the
search
box
at
a
much
more
prominent
location,
because
that
is
generally
the
best
to
find
something
is
to
type.
In
the
you
know,
keywords
and,
and
generally
it
seems
that
what
you're
looking
for
tends
to
be
in
the
in
the
top
few
hits.
D
Thank
you
yeah.
Thank
you
to
both
of
you
for
all
your
work
on
this
and,
at
the
end,
many
many.
D
Great
and
then
I
think
the
last
last
item
is
the
minutes
right.
I
think
debbie
minutes
earlier.
So
is
there
a
motion
on
the
minutes?
D
I
didn't
have
a
chance
to
read
that
by
donna
seconded
by
steve,
all
in
favor
of
approving
the
minutes
and
that
carries
unanimously
motion
to
adjourn
moved
by
donna
seconded
by
steve
all
right.
Well,
thank
you
all
thanks!
So.
P
P
Have
a
process
question
I
guess
for
seth
and
joanne
really
quickly
or
and
counsel,
as
I
mentioned
in
our
our
meeting
earlier
this
month,
that
there's
a
slate
of
agenda
or
agreements
that
will
be
coming
out
of
the
sjc
recommended
for
the
city
with
regards
to
the
city,
harbor
and
guthrie
project,
it's
about
70
pages.
P
I
don't
want
to
wait
for
people
to
see
it.
You
know
friday
before
a
meeting.
So
how
would
you
recommend
that
I
just
circulated?
I
did
cert,
send
it
to
scott
gibson
and
mike
that
they're
going
to
try
and
get
it
on
whatever
the
appropriate
agenda
is
for
it
to
be
on,
but
I
just
wanted
to
ask
you:
how
would
you
best
like
me
to
share
it
with
you.
D
C
P
C
Dollars,
let's
talk
offline
cynthia,
I
think.
Maybe
we
can
either
do
it.
We
can,
you
can
send
it
to
us,
we
can
put
it
in
pdf
or
we
can
put
it
in
dropbox
or
but
we
could
figure
it
out.
Okay,
okay,
so
I'll
talk
to
you
separately,
offline.