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B
Great
well
since
we're
live
and
it's
after
six
and
we
have
forum,
I
suggest
we
go
ahead
and
get
started.
There
will,
of
course,
be
some
other
members
joining
us
here
in
a
minute.
So
this
is
the
june
meeting
of
the
ithaca
planning
and
development
board
and,
let's
start
with
introductions
emily.
Could
I
start
with
you.
E
G
B
Well,
rather
than
wait
for
that
to
load,
let's
go
ahead
and
move
into
a
gender
review.
Lisa.
Are
there
any
changes
to
the
agenda
as
written.
F
There
may
be
so
so
well,
one
thing
is:
is
that
under
zoning
appeals
we
oh
yeah,
we
have
both
stunning
kills.
That's.
I
Right
and
then
815
south
aurora
may.
E
B
Reasonable
thank
you.
Next
up,
we
have
approval
of
minutes.
I
did
see
a
couple
months
worth
go
out
of
email
and
I
don't
remember
what
months
those
were
anya.
What
months
were
those.
B
B
Seeing
none
all
those
in
favor
of
approving,
said
minutes,
those
minutes
are
approved
and
gary
I
didn't
see
your
hand.
B
So
perhaps
that's
an
abstention
with
that
we
go
into
public
comment.
Oh
eric
garrick
also
approves
the
minutes.
All.
J
B
Understood
that
seems
entirely
reasonable,
thanks,
garrick
lisa.
Is
there
any
public
comment
on
today's
meeting.
F
Wait:
okay,
why
don't
I
I'll
read
it
first
and
then
we
can
let
let
him
actually
okay
or
you
can
let
him
in
now
and
I'll
read
this
first
okay.
So
this
is
from
historic,
ithaca,
dear
planning
board
members.
Several
proposed
projects
on
the
june
agenda
indicate
that
the
applicants
will
demolish
existing
buildings
for
their
new
projects.
F
These
are
615
to
617
cascadilla
street
to
demolish
one
existing
two-story
residential
house,
228,
dryden
road,
demolish
the
existing
two-story
structure,
510
west
state
street
mlk
junior
boulevard,
remove
the
one-story
commercial
building
fronting
on
state
and
two
storywood
frame
house
franticon
west
seneca.
As
you
know,
the
demolition
and
removal
of
these
structures
means
the
considerable
loss
of
embodied
energy
through
existing
building
materials.
To
help
divert
the
volume
of
materials
being
headed
to
landfills
and
to
keep
items
out
of
the
waste
stream.
F
Historic
ithaca
and
significant
elements
request
that
the
planning
and
development
board
question
the
applicants
about
their
plans
for
any
opportunities
for
salvage
of
materials
from
the
existing
buildings
or
deconstruction
of
the
buildings.
Will
any
of
the
applicants
allow
for
local
nonprofits,
such
as
historic
ithaca
and
our
significant
element
store
to
do
a
survey
visit
before
the
proposed
demolition
in
order
to
remove
materials
such
as
doors,
windows,
fixtures,
etc?
F
B
Thank
you
and
then
I
believe
we
also
have
hector
cheng
here
from
the
public
hector.
You
have
three
minutes.
K
K
Affordable
housing
has
always
been
a
hot
topic
in
our
community
and
I'm
here
to
just
kind
of
speak
on
support
of
the
510
west
mlk
project,
I'm
very
excited
to
hopefully
see
58
families.
Finally
live
in
the
city
of
ithaca,
who
are
not
necessarily
can
can't
necessarily
afford
it
right
now,
especially
in
a
neighborhood
that
is
very
walkable,
bikeable
transit.
K
You
know
like
with
a
lot
of
transit
options
so
that
people
don't
necessarily
have
to
buy
a
car
to
make
their
life
work
and
also
live
a
more
sustainable
and
equitable
life,
so
just
putting
it
out
there.
Hopefully,
you
guys
can
get
that
project
into
bca's
hands
out
of
here,
and
then
you
can
be
done
with
it.
K
K
B
B
Great,
so
we
do
have
some
time
allocated
for
board
response
to
public
comment.
Is
there
any
member
of
the
board
wishing
to
respond
to
anything
we
heard
in
public
comment
seeing
none
that
brings
us
to
subdivision
review
and
first
up
we
have
carpenter.
F
L
G
B
M
B
If
the
gang's
all
here,
you
could
take
it
away.
L
Sure
my
name
is
matt
newcomb,
I'm
with
patrol
associates,
I'm
here
on
behalf
of
park,
grove
realtors
realty,
representing
them
for
the
subdivision,
application
for
the
cayuga
medical
center
subdivision
and
carpenter
park
project.
L
The
first
time
we
came
in,
we
we
included
a
land
swap
gardens
and
the
and
the
developer,
which
was
always
planned
and
always
in
the
works,
and
we
decided
to
halt
that
particular
subdivision
map
or
subdivision
approval
and
move
forward
with
one
that
that
did
not
include
a
land
swap
quite
yet
because
we
felt
we
could
move
forward
with
cayuga
medical
because
there
were
some
some
logistical
things
between
the
city
and
the
owner
or
developer.
Rather
that
were
being
worked
out
and
in
hopes
that
we
could
keep
things
moving.
L
L
B
No,
we
we
appreciate
you
being
quick,
as
I
recall,
in
prc,
this
was
pretty
simple,
but
you
also
had
a
map
up
during
prc
or
somebody
did,
and
I
think
that
would
be
helpful
to
look
at
before
we
move
into
questions
and
probably
quickly
into
a
vote
here.
L
So
this
is
the
the
subdivision
map
that
also
shows
the
colored
landscape,
so
the
green
areas
are
to
be
conveyed
the
city
of
ithaca.
L
Currently,
this
is
gardens
right
now,
where
you
see
my
mouse
and
we're
adding
this
portion
to
this
garden,
this
this
part
of
the
gardens
to
expand
it
and
a
small
portion
over
here
to
square
this
off
we're
also.
This
is
also
garden
area
that
we're
adding
this
portion
of
it
to
and
then
we're
taking
the
red
portion.
L
So
that's
that's
the
gist
of
the
land
swap
again
it's
a
one-for-one
swap
as
far
as
the
amount
of
land
we've
also
worked
with
the
gardens
on
improving
their
their
areas,
their
plots
and
getting
some
them
some
irrigation
and
doing
lots
of
other
things,
some
fencing
and
some
sidewalks
and
some
barriers
to
keep
some
of
the
animals
out.
L
So
that's
part
of
the
land
swap
you
know
further
down
the
road
when
it
comes
to
construction,
and
then
we
also
have
this
lot
here
which
encompasses
this
carpenter
park
drive
here.
In
fact,
that's
the
medical
office
building
parcel
known
as
lot
one
lot.
Two,
where
my
mouse
was
circling,
would
be
the
mixed
use,
housing,
retail
project
and
then
lot
three
up
here
in
the
corner
is
the
workforce
housing
portion
of
the
project.
I
B
Great
thank
you
for
that.
I'm
just
going
to
open
up
the
florida
board
members.
Are
there
any
questions
about
what
we've
seen
or
questions
about
this
revision
to
subdivision
approval?
B
All
right,
I
see
nods
elizabeth.
You
just
joined
us
we're
talking
about
a
revision
to
the
subdivision
approval
for
carpenter
circle.
B
O
Yeah,
just
out
of
curiosity
matt
can
you
let
me
know
the
level
of
involvement
of
the
community
gardens
and,
like
you
know,
their
understanding
of
this
and
agreement
with
the
swaps
as
it
with
any
changes,
and
also
I'm
curious
like
what
their
level
of
involvement
was
with.
You
mentioned,
fencing
and
irrigation.
Those
sound
like
great
improvements,
you
know,
were
those
were.
L
L
To
use
it
more
as
an
animal
barrier,
so
we've
worked
pretty
diligently
with
them
over
the
past
year
year
and
a
half
as
we've
moved
forward
on
the
other
portions
of
the
project,
to
make
sure
they're
getting
an
improved
area
that
works
well
for
them,
and
I
think
we've
come
up
with
a
really
good
solution
for
them,
as
well
as
a
lot
better
setup
for
everybody.
So
they're
happy
we've
worked
like
I
said.
We
worked
side
by
side
with
them
the
whole
way.
L
B
Great
with
that,
if
there
is
a
motion,
I
would
look
for
someone
to
move
for
revision
to
this
final
subdivision
approval.
It's
the
orangish
pinkish
resolution
in
your
packet.
I
see
emily
move
is
very
second,
I
see
mckenzie
second
before
we
move
into
a
vote
which
will
be
a
roll
call
vote.
Is
there
any
member
seeking
further
discussion,
seeing
none
emily?
How
do
you
vote.
B
Garrick,
yes,
I
also
vote
yes
making
this
unanimous
so
great.
We
appreciate
your
time
today
glad
we
were
able
to
handle.
That
is
simply
enough
and
good
luck
with
the
rest
of
your
project.
Thank.
B
Well,
that
makes
that
real,
simple
is
the
team
for
401
here.
B
G
F
N
C
M
M
Yeah
so
good
evening,
folks,
james
trasher
jeff
is
here,
you
know,
donnie
kim
and
tim
fish
tim
fish
is
on
now
as
well.
So
just
a
brief
update,
we
were
with
the
zoning
board
last
month,
then
we're
back
at
the
zoning
board
further
next
meeting,
but
in
the
meantime,
while
we're
working
through
that
approval
process
just
want
to
go
through
some
updates.
M
M
We
do
okay,
it's
regenerating
so
we've
gone
through
multiple
iterations
of
this
and
we'll
start
at
the
first
page,
where.
M
It's
regenerating
slowly
so
the
landscape
plan,
as
as
we've
gone
through
time,
there's
been
different
comments
as
it
remains
on
trees
and
the
fire
access
way
and
its
interaction
with
six
mile
creek.
So
the
the
pages
that
you
see
right
now
is
the
overall
landscape
plan
we've
put
in
to
the
plan,
as
well
as
requested
sort
of
examples
of
what
things
would
look
like
in
terms
of
the
benches.
The
park
benches.
M
We've
highlighted
the
trees,
there's
been
comments
as
it
relates
to
the
trees,
making
sure
that
they're
more
native
species,
so
we've
our
landscape
architect,
amy
frame
franco,
has
tried
to
accommodate
that
the
last
meeting.
The
biggest
comments
were
on
the
end
section
where
we
have
the
fire
turn
around
and
this
area
that
we
show
here.
M
So
our
architects
and
our
landscape.
Architects
have
worked
on
showing
representative
scenarios
of
what
this
would
look
like
in
terms
of
the
design,
and
so
these
two
renderings
that
were
prepared
that
are
part
of
your
package
highlight
what
we're
looking
at
doing
and
putting
in
a
virginia
creeping
vine
on
that
wall.
We've
we've
changed
the
retaining
wall
from
to
a
a
wood
lag
wall
and
then
we've
terraced
this
area
in
the
landscaping.
M
So
I
apologize
with
internet
things
are
changing
on
my
screen
and
I
don't
even
know
why
they
are
but
this
area.
So
those
are
comments
that
mitch
had
had
previously
and
other
folks
on
the
board.
So
we've
updated
that
and
then,
at
the
end
of
the
trail
as
well,
where
we
head
off
into
city
water
property,
we
have
the
historical
information
trail
signage
board,
where
we
we
head
off
in
those
regards
picnic
tables
benches,
planter
boxes
that
we
have
highlighted
through
the
site.
M
Updates
have
been
on
the
end
section
to
provide
you
know
some
greater
life
in
the
vegetation
at
the
end
of
the
building.
So
that's
what
we've
done
on
landscaping
tim!
You
want
to
go
through
the
few
updates
that
we
have
made
on
the
bricks
in
the
facing
six
mile,
creek
yep.
P
Let
me
actually,
we
did
have
some
more
landscape,
renderings
hot
off
the
presses,
so
this
is
again
that
retention
area.
You
know
we
talked
about
doing
some
additional
landscape
in
that
area
and
then
also
you
know
we
we
attempted
to
rendering
you
know,
basically
how
how
the
planting
would
start
to
you
know,
tear
us
down
the
walls
around
that
light
lagging
wall.
You
know
over
on
the
other
side.
P
So
with
that
click,
the
right
I
can
you
know
I
can
go
over
the
basically
the
facade,
changes
first
and
then
I'll
I'll
jump
into
the
to
the
updated
kind
of
just
brick
size.
So,
as
you
may
or
may
not
know,
I
assume
you
know.
As
you
know,
we've
been
working
on
some
revisions
to
the
elevations
to
get
them
to
set
back
at
the
top
floor.
Consistent
with
the
you
know,
requests
on
from
the
zoning
review,
so
you
can
start
to
see.
P
You
know
how
how
those
start
to
step
back
in
the
elevation
a
little
bit
as
compared
to
the
previous
design.
So
again,
just
the
way
the
elevation
is
drawn
a
little
bit
in
three
dimension.
You
can
see
the
setbacks
from
the
top
of
the
building,
and
you
can
also
see
we
actually
added
back
the
basically
the
juliet
balconies
in
these
recessed
areas
on
on
the
east
wing
tim.
R
P
P
P
E
P
There
we
go,
I'm
sorry
about
that
too
many
screens
going
on
so
again
I'll.
P
Go
back
to
so
they're
the
current
elevations.
P
Okay,
so
you
can
see
the
the
new
elevation
up
above
and
the
previous
elevation
down
below
and
start
to
see
those
setbacks
on
the
top
level.
As
you
see
the
elevation
in
in
perspective,
so
then
to
zoom
in
a
little
bit,
so
we've
also
added
back
the
juliet
balconies
over
on
the
east
wing
in
these
insets.
That
was
that
was
mentioned
before.
P
So
that's
the
kind
of
overall
approach
to
that.
Any
any
comments
on
that
and
I
can
show
you
the
the
new
brick
size.
P
Okay,
materials:
okay,
fine!
Thank
you
get
to
the
right
view
here
too.
P
Well,
just
moving
on
to
the
setback
so
again
here
you
can
see
the
setbacks
again
in
perspective,
how
that
works
from
the
upper
floor
setting
back
over
here
and
setting
back.
You
know
from
the
top
floor.
P
Yeah,
for
some
reason
I
lost
that
tab.
So
if
you
can
share
that
one,
thank
you.
P
There
we
go
thanks,
so
so
we
originally,
you
know,
looked
at
a
modular
brick
as
shown
on
the
left
and
basically,
as
you
know,
as
the
scale
of
the
building
and
frankly
also
the
you
know,
the
the
cost
analysis
we're
now
proposing
to
use
a
size
brick.
E
B
We'll
go
around
the
room
and
try
to
get
reactions
from
various
members
of
the
board
emily.
If
I
could
start
with
you.
C
Sure
I
think
the
changes
seem
good.
It
seems
like
there's
more
balconies
today
than
there
were
in
prc,
which
I
think
is
a
good
thing.
The
brick
size
makes
perfect
sense
to
me.
I
think
the
facades
are
so
large
that
that
slight
change
in
scale,
if
it
saves
labor
and
money.
I
think
that
is
fine
from
a
aesthetic
perspective
and
I'm
I
really
like
these
perspectives.
Looking
west
and
looking
east
that
are
new
because
we've
been
you
know,
we've
been
looking
at
the
long
elevations
and
everything
looks
so
flat.
C
But
when
you
see
this
perspective
from
a
person's
height,
there's
a
lot
of
movement,
there's
a
lot
of
reveals
and
detail
between
windows
and
the
different
panels.
So
I'm
really
glad
to
see
those.
I
have
a
question
about
parking,
so
this
is
kind
of
diverging
from
what
you
presented
today.
It
occurred
to
me
that
I
don't
remember
hearing
what
you're
doing
with
parking
that
is
for
the
gateway.
Is
it
the
gateway
building?
C
R
R
That's
one
solution.
I
don't
think
it's
the
only
solution.
There
may
be
other
alternatives
that
are
kind
of
one-off
from
that,
but
at
a
minimum
that
would
be
available
to
our
you
know:
the
gateway
tenants,
employees
of
the
construction
company
or
subcontractors.
R
R
And
we,
thankfully
we're
not
taking
away
all
of
the
gateway
parking,
the
parking
that
exists
right
as
you
come
into
gateway
center
and
kind
of
around
the
the
office
building
will
remain
for
the
most
part,
so
it
won't
be
void
of
parking
and
there'll.
Be
the
short-term
parking
option.
R
That's
still,
you
know
that
will
remain
intact
and
you
know
if,
if
we
need
to
make
some
improvements
during
the
process
to
you
know
support
the
tenants
and
our
neighbor,
I
mean
we'll
be
as
accommodating
as
we
can
be,
but
I
think
we've
got
a
reasonable
solution
that
seems
to
satisfy
the
gateway,
landlord
and-
and
I
know
the
tenants
are-
you
know
now
involved
in
that
discussion.
B
J
Sorry
rob
yeah,
I
agree
with
everything.
Emily
said,
I
don't
have
anything
else.
O
S
O
N
O
In
the
effort
of
transparency
with
the
with
the
public
and
also
out
of
my
own
curiosity,
I
have
two
questions.
One.
Is
there
any
commitment
to
local
or
union
labor
on
this
project.
Q
R
Writing
together
and
in
that
the
in
our
application,
we
stated
a
goal
of
local
labor,
and
this
is
construction
labor
during
the
construction
period
of
35.
R
In
reality,
I
think
it
will
be
much
higher
than
that
and
city
center
is
a
good
cop.
We
have
the
same
contractor
and
as
they
audited,
that
local
labor
number
completion.
I
think
it
was
closer
to
50
percent
of
the
construction
employees
being
from
the
local
region,
which
would
include
hopkins
county.
I
think
local
is
is
a
little
bit
broader.
I
think
it's
also
the
adjacent
counties,
so
you
know
not
completely
sure
of
the
definition
of
local
in
that
context,
but
you
know
that
is
certainly
the
goal.
R
You
know
our
own
permanent
staff,
you
know
which
we
will
have
call
it
10
full-time
employees
working
at
the
property
ongoing
will
they'll
become
local.
You
know
we
may
hire
within
ithaca.
We
may
bring
in
you
know
some
candidates
from
elsewhere,
but
over
time
you
know
they
will
become
residents
of
ithaca.
There's
no
doubt.
O
Thank
you.
I
appreciate
that
response
and
and
that
commitment
and
I'm
hoping
for
the
high
percentage-
and
you
spoke
of
the
iga
and
the
tax
abatement,
can
you
let
me
know
what
level
of
transparency
can
we
have
into
payments
into
the
affordability
fund
and
how
does
that
coincide
with
the
tax
abatement
or
you
know
how
do
those
two
things.
R
Exist
in
the
ida
yep
they
are,
they
are
closely
linked
and
in
the
payment,
and
what
we're
doing
in
that
vein
is
a
payment
in
lieu
of
and
it's
five
thousand
dollars
per
unit.
In
our
case,
it's
it's
1.7
million
dollars
or
so
plus
or
minus,
and
we
make
that
payment,
at
least
in
part,
at
the
closing
of
the
ida
agreement,
which
would
coincide
with
our
closing
of
the
land
and
and
and
so
in
order
for
us
to
be
in
receipt
of
the
tax
abatement.
We
have
got
to.
O
D
Yeah
thanks,
I
appreciate
the
your
responses
to
the
comments
from
the
prc
meeting,
adding
some
balconies
back
in.
I
thought
that
was
good
and
appreciate
the
upper
level
setback.
I
think
that
makes
a
lot
of
sense,
so
I
wish
you
luck
with
the
bza
and
I
think
we
should
continue
to
support
this
project.
D
You
know
they're
going
to
be
people
places
who,
where
people
don't
live
in
the
building
and
they're
going
to
be
used
a
lot,
and
I
and
I
know
it
kind
of
ties
into
the
what's
the
name
of
the
fraternity
there
that
that
space
also,
but
it
would
really
help
to
see
that
whole
composition
when
it's
ready
in
much
more
detail,
you
know
with
even
a
rendering
and
night
views
lighting
is
critical
to
make
it
safe
and
accessible,
but
yeah.
I
just
appreciate
the
work
that
you
continue
to
do
on
this
project.
B
Thank
you
mitch.
I
think
you've
gotten
good
comments
from
the
crew
like
emily
and
mitch.
I
appreciate
the
changes
that
were
made
since
prc.
I
think
the
general
sense.
Oh
elizabeth,
I
am
sorry
it's
elizabeth.
Could
you
let
me
turn
it
over
to
you.
I
apologize
for
that.
N
Hi
everyone
I'm
having
trouble
with
my
camera,
so
I
keep
turning
it
off
because
it
freezes
all
of
you.
I
I
think
I
really
like
the
elevation
now
I
I
think
that
you're
headed
in
the
right
direction.
I
don't
think
the
larger
brick
is
going
to
be
an
issue.
Actually
it
might
be
a
good
thing,
I'm
still
not
all
that
happy
about
the
terrace.
The
way
that
it
looks.
I
almost
wanted
that
whole
retention
wall
to
be
terraced
but
yeah
is
the
payment
that
you
have
to
make
just
one
time.
R
I
think
it
can
be
structured
in
a
series
of
payments,
we're
still
working
through
the
agreements
with
the
ida,
but
I
think
historically
they've
allowed
it
to
be
paid.
I
think
in
two
installments
and-
and
I'm
not
certain
of
that,
but
I
have
heard
that.
M
Approach,
it
is
so
they
you
can
either
have
a
lump
sum
or
an
installment
payment
and
based
on
size.
You
know
being
the
number
of
units
and
the
amount
they
request.
They've
allowed
multiple
payments
so
and
typically
a
portion
comes
at
the
beginning
and
a
portion
comes
in
after
like
year,
one
when
they
have
some
stabilized
rents.
N
R
R
You
know
they're
comparable
to
city
center
and
herald
square.
I
think
those
are
the
two
most
relevant
cops
given
proximity
and
in
size
of
property,
and
you
know
just
type
of
building
with
slight
discounts
in
certain
areas
I
mean
it's,
you
know,
driven
by
unit
size
in
some
cases,
by
location
of
unit.
You
know
unit
with
a
balcony
unit
without
the
balcony
there's
a
lot
of
variables
that
dictate
the
ultimate
rental
program,
but
it's
it's
driven
ultimately,
by
market
data
in
ithaca.
R
N
R
So
a
typical
studio
rent
is
approximately.
Let's
call
it
17.50.
R
In
current
dollars,
a
one
bedroom
is
what's
called
right
around
2000
in
current
dollars,
a
two
bedroom
is
called
twenty
five
hundred
dollars
per
month.
Current
dollars
and
a
three
bedroom
is
right.
Around
three
thousand.
F
I
just
I
had
a
comment
and
a
question.
The
first
is
I'll.
Do
the
question?
Well
I'll.
Do
the
comment
first,
I
really
think
that
the
reduction
in
the
balconies
is
it
was
so
much
better.
The
elevations
are
so
much
better
with
those
larger
balconies
and
with
the
more
balconies,
and
I
would
love
to
see
that
back.
F
I
think
it
really
added
a
lot
to
the
building
and
I
think
that's
a
shame
that
they've
been
reduced
so
much
because
they
don't
really
seem
to
follow
a
pattern
now
they're
just
seemed
dispersed,
so
the
other
ones
were
longer
and
there
were
more
of
them
in
a
more
regular
pattern.
F
I
And
then
the
other,
the
question
is
the
the
we
gotta.
Where
is
this
lagged
wood.
F
M
M
P
Correct,
okay,
all
right
right
and
then
get
to
the
right
rendering.
So
so,
basically
the
intent
is,
you
know
to
get
to
to
grow
landscape.
You
know
from
the
base
and
from
the
top
of
the
you
know
the
grade
over
the
lagging
of
you
know
so
over
time
it
it
really
should
become
a
green
wall.
Not
initially,
but
you
know,
nature
will
take
its
course
and
but.
H
P
No,
it
it
varies
okay,
but
it
goes.
P
D
Can
we
just
take
a
step
back
and
and
pick
apart,
lisa's
comment
about
the
balconies
a
little
bit
more,
because
I
I'm
interested
in
having
a
deeper
discussion
about
that.
I
I
wasn't
aware
of
that.
Her
opinion
on
that
which
I
respect,
and
I
thought
they
had
removed
a
lot
but
then
put
back
some.
So
so
I'd
like
to
be
clear
on
on,
what's
been
lost
specifically
here
and
what's
been
put
back.
P
Right,
we
put-
we
put
balconies
back
here,
basically
at
these
insets
here
and
here,
but.
B
So
I
I
think
that,
having
looked
at
this
a
little
more,
you
know
I'm
inclined
to
agree
with
lisa's
comment
and
I'd
be
interested
in
the
reaction
of
anybody
else
on
the
board
on
that.
D
Yeah,
I
think
so
too.
I
I
didn't
realize
those
were
juliet
balconies
and
I
I
thought
there
might
have
been
a
move
on
the
actual,
the
other
brick
facades,
but
it
doesn't
appear
that
you
did
any
there
and
especially
on
that,
like
far
left
wing
the
wing
to
the
far
west
there's
those
two
lonely
belt,
there's
those
two
lonely
balconies
right
there.
If
you
pan
over
the
elevation,
you'll
see
like
a
much
longer
facade
that
I
think
emily
had
said.
P
Gotcha,
it's
yeah.
It's
you
know
it's
we're
just
trying
to
trying
to
get
the
budgets
to
work
too.
I
mean
yeah
and
that's.
R
Part
of
this,
to
be
honest
with
you,
yes,
it
really
is.
We
are.
We
are
facing
such
material
price
increases.
R
You
know
we're
trying
to
be
smart
with
the
choices
we
made,
some
of
it's
programmatic,
but
some
of
it
is
budget
driven
and
just
to
be,
very
you
know
transparent
about
it.
So
we're
we're
trying
to
to
weather
a
armageddon
of
material
shortages
and
price
increases
that
are
continuing
to
rise,
so
that
influences
some
of
our
decisions
here.
O
Thank
you.
Do
we
have
a
percentage
of
like
greenery
to
pavement,
or
you
know,
percentage
of
greenery
on
the
site
and
any
comparison
from
existing
or,
if
there's
even
any
change
from
the
existing
state.
O
M
Yeah
and-
and
I
don't
have
it
sitting
right
off
the
top
of
my
head,
but
existing
condition
between
building
and
parking
areas
in
our
proposed
development
of
the
green
space.
I
think
we're
fairly
even-
and
I
will
try
to
find
it.
O
Okay,
lisa
some,
I
feel
like
sometimes
there's.
I
feel
like
I'm
unclear
about
if
it's
like,
12
or
25.
F
So
yeah
down
yeah
downtown
is
slightly
different.
We
don't
actually
have
a
percentage.
I
it
was
in
the
part
three
under
stormwater,
and
we
could
talk
about
that.
Next,
I
mean
you're
not
taking
any
action
tonight,
but
I
mean
part
of
the
conditions
can
be
a
list
of
things
you'd
like
to
continue
to
look
at
or
want
more
information
on.
F
O
B
Seeing
none
there's
a
document
in
your
written
materials,
titled
401,
state,
mlk,
junior,
spa
conditions
has
you
know
three
quarters
of
page
of
standard
conditions
that
I
think
are
not
necessarily
worth
diving
into,
and
then
you
know
another
pageish
of
other
conditions,
which
I
think
is
worth
thinking
about.
Thinking
about.
If
there's
anything
that's
missing
thinking
about.
If
there's
we
want
to
be
very
specific
about
the
form.
B
Some
of
these
take
and
also
the
applicant
team
at
prc-
and
I
think
in
general,
has
expressed
an
appetite
to
sort
of
have
the
complete
list
of
what
they
owe
us
so
that
they
can
have
line
of
sight
towards
the
end
of
their
process
and
the
conditions
are
a
good
way
to
get
at
that
right,
because
I
mean
at
this
point
anything
that
we
don't
have.
You
know
we
sort
of
need
to
put
on
their
radar
or
have
written
down
that
we
need
it
in
a
condition
type
format.
B
So
this
is
worth
taking
a
little
time.
D
On
the
landscape
plan,
submission
and
revised
landscape
plan
showed
detail
of
the
plaza
between
state
and
pre-clock.
B
I
mean
because
I
don't
know
I
feel
like
what
you're
asking
for
with
with
the
with
your
with
your
pass
through
as
you
described,
it
is
more
extensive
than
just
a
landscape
plan.
M
Of
we're
going
to
be
in
front
of
them,
so
they're
going
to
sort
of
tie
into
us,
we've
been
in
coordination
with
them
throughout
the
process.
We've
had
several
calls,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day
you
know
they
got
to
come,
see
you
and
you
may
want
some
changes
of
how
they
do
their
memorial
and
their
improvements.
M
But
you
know:
we've
shown
for
coordination
purposes,
the
connection
point
in
terms
of
stairs
connecting
from
state
street
through
their
site
to
our
site,
so
we
can
give
you
perspectives
and
renderings
and
lighting,
and
you
know,
hardscape
details
of
what
we
would
do
between
the
building
and
the
adjacent
structure
and
the
alpha
phi
alpha
area
in
six
miles
creek.
So
we
we
can
show
that
for
the
next
meeting.
F
T
F
Because
you'll
still
have
to
build
it
in
the
future,
that
seems
like
something
you
could
wait
until
you
really
know
what
you
know
or
or
the
board
knows
what
they
want
there
and
it's
coordinated
with
the
other
project.
I
don't
know
with
the
landscape
issues
they
can
be.
You
know
you,
you
can
wait
till
during
construction
to
satisfy
them,
because
things
change.
F
I
have
one
I
have
one
I've
been
thinking
about
this
rob
about
the
the
so
between
the
city,
retaining
wall
and
the
building
there's
a
big
gap,
which
you
know
I
think
right
now,
the
the
on
the
landscape
planet
says
that
there'll
be
cobble
or
rip-rap
or
something
at
the
bottom
of
that
gap.
I
think
I
mean
it.
Might
you
might
want
to
see
how
that's
going
to
look
from
the
street,
because
it
will
be
something
that
you
look
over
the
edge.
You
will
see
that
area
be
somewhat
prominent.
B
I
think
that
makes
sense
you
mentioned
riprap
and
you
mentioned
looking
out
over
it
or
down
into
it.
You
know.
The
thing
that
comes
to
my
mind
immediately
is
is
the
ability
to
clean
it
and,
of
course,
rip
rap's,
not
the
easiest
thing
to
go
in
and
sweep
so
I
mean,
I
think,
even
you
know
a
conversation
about
the
maintenance
of
that
kind
of
area
and
actually,
as
soon
as
I
say
it,
I
I'm
thinking
about
maintenance
of
more
than
that.
B
G
B
So
I'm
not
getting
a
sense
that
there's
these
big
glaring
chunks
of
project
that
we
haven't
addressed,
which
is
good,
you
know
I
it
seems
like.
We
need
a
little
bit
more
detail
on,
what's
going
to
happen
with
the
pass-through,
but
maybe
we
don't
have
that
yet
because
it's
just
not
at
a
place
where
you,
you
know
what
you're
doing
there
yet
and
we
can
hold
that
as
a
condition.
B
We
also
have
some
other
conditions,
obviously
on
here
there's
a
couple
pages
of
them,
but
by
and
large
they
seem
reasonable
to
me.
They
don't
seem
like
things
that
necessarily
will
take
forever
to
to
meet
so
what's
what's
next
steps,
lisa.
F
Well,
they
are
going
to
go
back
to
the
bza
at
the
beginning
of
july
and
if
they
get
their
variance,
they
will
be
back
here.
For
you
know,
preliminary
or
preliminary
and
final
approval
in
july.
B
F
F
B
There
released
a
couple
voices
on
balconies.
I
think
I
think,
looking
at
that
next
month
makes
sense.
I
think
you
know,
without
having
you
do
a
bunch
of
work.
That's
not
representative
of
anything.
That's
a
real
plan.
Taking
a
look
at
the
pass-through
makes
a
lot
of
sense.
B
I
would
personally
be
interested
in
seeing
you
know
some
sketch
out
of
what
the
maintenance
of
your
public
areas
would
be.
The
publicly
accessible
areas
would
be
what
else,
if
anything
from
the
board,
would
you
want
to
try
to
see
next
month
and
have
eyes
on
before,
at
least
taking
a
vote
on
preliminary.
J
Kirk
yeah
rob
sorry.
This
may
have
been
mentioned,
and
forgive
me,
but
just
on
the
issue
of
maintenance
and
also
doubling
down
on
mitch's
comment
about
the
benches
and
so
on
is
I'm
just
want
to
be
sure.
It's
clear,
you
know
what
are
the
maintenance
responsibilities
moving
forward
on
the
boundaries
of
public
land
and
private
land
when
it
comes
to
regard
to
the
trail
just
to
be
clear.
J
So,
for
example,
I
I'm
agnostic
at
how
it's
done,
but
if
it's
the
expectation
the
city
is
going
to
go
in,
for
example,
and
do
maintenance
in
the
future,
then
they
have
to
have
some
kind
of
way
to
access
the
property
through
the
site,
and
they
just
want
to
make
sure
they're
clear
that
that's
all
laid
out.
However,
it
wants
to
be
done
so
just
say
that
and
it's
another
just
why
I
have
the
floor.
Just
a
small
comment.
J
I
really
like
these
interpretive
signs
and
I
really
appreciate
the
project
has
that
I
would
you
know,
certainly
not
a
requirement
from
my
point
of
view,
but
I
would
I
would
appreciate
getting
a
chance
to
look
at
what
they're
thinking
about
putting
on
there
and
just
point
out
that
mary
tomlin
city
historian
has
done
some
really
great
work.
If
you
go
up
to
college
town
terrace,
I
think
she
did
the
interpretive
signs
for
them.
J
So
you
know
it
might
be
worth
reaching
out
to
her
or
people
like
that,
but
really
really
great
to
see
that.
N
Yeah
thanks,
I
was
gonna,
say
I'd
like
to
see
more
detail
on
that
masonry.
Terraced
wall
that
you
have
in
that
one
corner.
It
seems
like
it's
hidden
by
a
tree
in
your
rendering,
so
I
feel
like
maybe
it's
not
worked
out
or
like
to
see
some
sections
and
how
you
plan
on
getting
that
built.
B
Right
any
other
things
we
want
to
make
sure
we
look
at
next
month,
seeing
some
shaking
heads
all
right.
Well,
I
think
that
might
be
it.
You
know,
there's
a
list
of
conditions,
there's
a
list
of
things.
We
definitely
want
to
see,
and
I
think
that
there's
an
expectation
we're
going
to
take
some
kind
of
vote
next
month.
Assuming
everything
goes
the
way
you
hope
it
will
at
zoning
board
so
I'll
wish
you
luck
with
that
and
we'll
see
you
in
a
month.
F
Well,
I
mean
I
will
add
to
the
conditions
from
what
I
heard
tonight
and
the
board
can
always
change
them
on
the
floor
and
add
to
them
again,
but
you
will
get
the
resolution
before
the
meeting
with
the
final
draft
of
the
conditions
that
will
be
discussed
at
the
board.
So
I
yeah.
B
So
yes,
yes,
but
they,
but
it
could
change.
B
G
B
G
F
B
We
can
do
that
just
let
them
in.
F
U
Excellent
brandon's
here
as
well
so
before
we
jump
into
510,
I
noticed
815,
south
aurora
wasn't
on
the
agenda
that
had
been
mailed
out,
so
we
do
have
materials
to
share
for
that.
That's.
B
Fine
yeah
we're
ready
to
look
at
that
and
yeah
we'll
we'll
see
what
action
if
any
we
can
take
on
that
tonight.
U
So
we
took
into
account
the
comments
that
the
board
gave
us
last
time
about
our
proposed
material
change,
and
we
sent
a
letter
as
well
to
the
board
detailing
it
verbally.
But
essentially,
what
we
want
to
do
is
like
keeping
in
mind
like
how
most
of
the
structural
construction
costs
are
going
up.
How
can
we
keep
the
facade,
still
interesting,
high
quality
and
more
budget
friendly?
So
our
proposal
is
actually
to
keep
the
brick
on
the
ground
floor.
The
middle
floors
are
already
ifis.
U
So
the
idea
is
that
visually
there
really
won't
be
any
change
in
the
material
just
in
terms
of
how
it's
perceived-
and
I
something
I
that
we
outlined
in
the
letter
as
well-
is
that
the
idea
that
spending
a
little
bit
more
money
on
facade
materials,
where
it
matters
most
and
then
being
a
bit
more
utilitarian
on
the
rest,
is
a
time-tested
tradition
in
ithaca.
Look
at
any
old,
traditional
building
where
they'll
put
tin
cornices
on
the
front
and
the
rest
is
just
utilitarian
punched
windows
and
masonry
walls.
U
B
Right
thanks,
so
we
did
get
your
letter
via
email.
There
was
some
email
discussion
that
I
could
summarize
as
generally
supportive,
but
need
to
see
it
and
not
everybody
weighed
in
on
that
so
like
I
think
it's
worth
going
around
the
room
and
sort
of
seeing
where
the
board
stands
and
garrick
you're
on
the
top
of
my
screen.
So
I'd
start
with
you.
D
I
I
support
this.
I
think
it's
a
good
good
good
strategy,
appreciate
the
brick
being
put
back
and
I
think
your
approach
is
is
fine.
So
thanks
for
meeting
us
in
the
middle
on
this.
O
I
also
like
the
brick-
I
think
it's
just
kind
of
where
we
are
with
materials.
You
know
a
lot
of
projects
have
to
like
cut
some
corners,
and
so
we
can
be
flexible.
I
think
maybe
flexible
around
stuff
like
ephis,
that
we
don't
normally
want
to
see,
but
I
I
trust,
those
that
went
to
see
the
materials
also,
and
so
I
I
will
be
upfront
that
I
didn't
look
at
them
in
person
when
they
were
available.
C
I
think
it's
a
good
compromise
and
I'm
happy
with
the
proposal,
and
I
you
know,
I
think,
probably
for
the
record.
We
would
want
to
have
elevations
interior.
C
You
know
of
the
the
interior
not
into
your
elevations
of
the
building,
but
the
passageway
into
your
passage
elevations,
as
well
as
around
all
the
sides
identifying
exactly
where
the
metal
paint
on
drive
it
is
going
just
so
that
it
it
isn't
a
record.
I
don't
know
that
that
needs
to
come
back
to
us,
but.
F
N
Yeah,
I'm
also
happy
that
you
brought
the
brick
back
to
the
bottom,
of
course,
on
the
bottom
floor
and
did
your
mock-up
have
the
painted
aethos
the
the
metal
painted
for
evas?
No,
I
should
have
gone
and
checked
that
out.
I
didn't
realize
you
were
proposing
metal
painted.
I
don't
think
I've
you
know.
Is
there
like
any
kind
of
reflective
quality
to
that
like
metal
or.
U
I've
been
working
remotely
recently,
so
I
didn't
see
the
material
myself,
but
the
intent
from
the
architects
is
that
it'll
look
like
metal
panels,
especially
kind
of
where
it
is
in
the
building.
Further,
at
a
distance,
I
can
pull
up
the
drive
it
pages
again
or.
B
N
Okay,
all
right,
I
was
just
curious.
I
think
it's
a
fine
compromise
now
that
you
have
the
brick
underneath.
B
Well,
that
sounds
like
a
consensus
and
with
oh
garrick.
J
B
Great
definitely
a
consensus
then,
and
in
that
case
I
think
it's
worth
looking
at
a
resolution.
Lisa,
you
said
you
might
be
able
to
dig
one
up.
F
Yeah
I
thought
I
had
written
one
before,
but
I
didn't
so
I
don't
have
a
resolution
for
you.
What
it
would
say
if
I
had.
One
would
be
that
you
know
they
are
requesting
you.
You
approved
this
particular
project
on
this
date.
They
are
requesting
changes
to
the
materials
and
then
it
would
describe
the
way
the
materials
are
changing
and
it
would
reference
a
drawing
showing
those
changes.
B
So,
given
that
the
drawing
doesn't
really
exist
and
the
resolution
doesn't
really
exist,
I
question
the
wisdom
of
taking
a
vote
on
a
resolution
that
doesn't
exist
referencing
a
drawing
that
doesn't
exist.
You
know
it
sounds
pretty
baked.
I
think
I
think
you
know
we
support
the
changes,
but
I
just
I
don't
think
it
makes
sense
for
us
to
take
an
action
on
this
today.
So
I
appreciate
you
bringing
it
to
us,
patrick,
but
I
don't
think
we
can
do
anything
with
it
yet.
F
B
Yeah
I
mean
it
sounds
like
we
had
the
discussion,
so
I
mean
I.
I
think
we
can
knock
it
out
and
I
think
that
brings
us
to
510.
V
V
I
guess
I
would
prefer
to
answer
any
concerns
or
questions
from
the
board
that
pertain
to
the
part.
Three
I
mean.
I
know
we
submitted
updated
information
to
you,
know
kind
of
help
fill
in
the
blanks
that
we
had.
V
I
submitted
a
more
comprehensive
and
updated
set
of
drawings
to
lisa
for
record
more
or
less
covering
everything
that
had
been
submitted
previously.
B
Well,
we
do
have
the
part
three.
I
understand
it's
been
updated
significantly
since
the
last
one
we
saw-
and
I
understand
that,
there's
an
additional
update
that
we
do
not
have
on
paper,
but
that
exists
digitally
that
incorporates
the
letter
you
sent
that
we
saw
via
email
about.
Basically
what
would
happen
if
things
popped
up
on
a
phase
two
when
you
had
to
mitigate
sort
of
what
those
mitigation
strategies
would
be.
I
found
that
letter
to
be
fairly
reasonable.
B
V
Not
necessarily,
no,
I
mean
our,
I
think
my
biggest
goal
and
our
objective
for
tonight
is
to
make
sure
we
we
can
answer
and
you
know,
kind
of
qualify
everything
we've
submitted
thus
far.
You
know
so
I'd
leave
it
up
to
you
guys
to
kind
of
kick
things
at
us
and
hopefully
we
can.
B
Okay,
so
I
think
I
think
we
just
need
to
focus
on
the
document
there.
So
then
everybody
has
oh
mitch.
D
Maybe
this
will
come
up
through
the
part
three,
but
I
was
hoping
we
could
spend
some
time
talking
about
this
sort
of
barrage
of
feedback
we've
been
getting
from
neighbors
who
are
concerned
about
the
coordination,
the
communication,
the
impacts
to
their
properties.
I
mean
we've
heard
a
lot
now
and
I
and
we
heard
from
patrick
at
prc
that
things
were
cool
and
you
were
reaching
out
but
clearly
there's
two
stories
going
on
here
and
I
think
we
need
to
really
get
to
the
bottom
of
that.
B
I
agree
so
just
for
the
benefit
so
that
we're
all
on
the
same
page,
there
does
seem
to
be
a
real
chorus
from
you
know.
I
don't
want
to
say
everybody
to
that's
adjacent
to
this
site,
but
maybe
everybody
that's
adjacent
to
the
site,
pretty
pretty
upset-
and
you
know
I
I
think
that's
worth
addressing,
especially
with
as
it
relates
to
construction
impacts,
so
we've
sort
of
talked
through
the
light
and
their
stuff.
B
I
think
that
there
was
a
consensus
on
the
board
that
we
were
comfortable
with
the
massing
of
the
building
and
that
we
weren't
going
to
push
on
that,
but
you
know,
I
think
I
think
that
there's
things
you
can
do
and
things
that
we
could
decide
that
we
that
we
need
to
see
with
respect
to
noise
or
vibration
or
construction
hours
or
foundation
strategies,
whatever
it
ends
up
being
that
could
make
those
you
know,
construction
impacts
better
or
worse,
and
I
think
it'd
be
worth
hearing
from
the
applicant.
U
Sure,
well
I'll
begin
by
saying
that
the
two
most
critical
comments
that
we've
been
getting
are
from
the
the
owner
of
the
duplex
next
door,
josh
adams
and
then
the
only
homeowner
on
the
block,
fred
picturely,
two
doors
down.
U
We've
gotten
fairly
positive
responses
from
oh
I'm
blanking
on
her
name,
but
she
owns
a
massage
therapy
office
couple
blocks
down
and
she
was
like
thankful
with
the
transparency
that
I'd
given
all
the
construction
information
and
then
the
owner
of
512
west
state
who
had
asked
a
question
about
the
driveway
between
the
two
buildings.
We
agreed
with
with
them
that
we'll
pave
the
full
length
of
the
driveway
and
they
were
satisfied,
wished
us
good
luck
on
the
project
with
josh's
letter.
U
If
I
can
be
totally
honest,
I'm
I
sometimes
I
can't
tell
how
genuine
they
are
because
I
had
spoken
with.
I
sent
him
first,
the
broad
letter
to
all
the
neighbors
listing
out
all
the
construction
details
that
I
was
able
to
get
hold
of
from
the
project
owners
and
from
the
architects,
and
I
said,
I'm
available
by
email
by
phone.
Please
reach
out
to
me.
U
Instead
of
reaching
out
to
me,
he
sent
an
angry
letter
to
the
city,
saying
that
I
was
writing
like
a
five-year-old
that,
oh
sorry,
like
a
fifth
grader,
that
you
know
just
inflammatory
language
and
I
reached
out.
I
called
him,
left
a
voicemail
and
sent
an
email
saying:
hey
I'm
available.
Let's
talk
like
I'll
answer,
what
I'm
able
to
answer-
and
if
I
don't
have
the
answers
I'll,
be
honest
and
say
that
somebody
else
above
me
because
I'm
an
employee
of
the
company,
I'm
not
an
owner
like
I
can
try
to
get
the
answer.
U
But
I'll
be
honest.
If
I
can't
gave
him
plenty
of
answers,
we
had
a
little
bit
of
back
and
forth
about
construction
or
acquisition
price.
If
we
were
to
try
to
buy
him
out
both
josh
and
fred
proposed
purchase
prices
that
would
be
like.
If
we
were
to
acquire
the
third
building
over
for
free,
then
the
project
might
break,
even
if
we
were
to
do
a
redevelopment.
So
right
now,
with
the
purchase
prices
that
they've
proposed
any
redevelopment
project
on
those
two
sites
would
generate
a
negative
return.
U
So
that's
kind
of
where
the
purchase
negotiations
are
so
then,
with
josh
after
our
feedback-
and
I
made
myself
clearly
available
said
please
reach
out
to
me
by
email
or
by
phone-
then
I
learned
heather
yesterday
or
today
that
he
sent
another
angrily
worded
email
to
the
planning
division.
So
I
sent
another
email
and
saying
hey.
I
made
myself
available,
let's
talk,
what
are
your
remaining
answers?
U
Past
few
days
have
been
busy,
so
I
may
have
like
not
answered
a
few
things
and
we
had
another
pretty
cordial
exchange
this
afternoon,
so
I've-
I
I
don't
know
I've
made
myself
plenty
available.
I've
been
going
to
city
hall
meetings
for
about
a
third
of
my
life,
and
sometimes
I
can
tell
when
neighbors
are
saying
things
that
makes
it
seem
like
they're
trying
to
stall
a
project,
and
I
can't
tell
sometimes
how
genuine
questions
are,
for
instance,
two
public
private,
oh.
B
I
I
I
think
I
need
to
stop
you
there.
In
fact,
maybe
I
should
have
a
while
ago,
because
the
back
and
forth
between
you
and
a
particular
neighbor
isn't
within
our
purview,
sort
of
a
range
of
comments
that
are
worried
about
the
impacts
of
your
building
and
the
construction
of
your
building
are,
and
you
know,
regardless
of
your
opinions,
on
how
genuine
any
individual
neighbor
might
be
like.
B
That's
that's
totally,
not
our
department
and
not
necessarily
appropriate,
for
what
we're
talking
about
what
is
appropriate
would
be
a
discussion
of
what
foundations
the
system
are.
You
are
you
trying
to
settle
on?
What
are
the
impacts
of
that
going
to
be?
What
are
you
thinking
about
in
terms
of
what
you
need
in
terms
of
construction
hours?
You
know,
and-
and
you
know
in
the
absence
of
that-
I
think
that
the
board
can
just
work
through
the
part
three
and-
and
you
know,
make
our
best
guesses.
V
Most
recently,
the
change-
or
addition,
I
should
say,
is
to
the
the
inclusion
of
a
potential
for
the
cmc
piles,
which
is
a
controlled
modulus
column
where
they're
drilled,
piles
pumped
with
a
you
know,
basically,
a
concrete
slurry
or
grouted,
as
they
drill
back
out
the
drill
and
menard
group.
You
know
they're
the
same
outfit,
that's
doing
inhs.
I
think
you
all
were
familiar
with
that
project
and
and
why
that
one
particularly
went
the
way
that
it
did.
V
You
know,
I
think
we
we're
doing
a
lot,
I
think,
to
accommodate
or
cater
to
the
comments
from
one
neighbor.
Specifically,
I
think
the
part
three
covers
some
of
the
questions
that
you've
raised,
certainly
from
working
hours
conditions.
I
don't
think
anything's
being
asked
for
in
terms
of
working
hours
that
goes
above
and
beyond
what
the
city
requirements
or
allowances
are
or
beyond
what
typical
construction
projects
ask
for
you
know,
certainly
with
any
construction
project.
V
There's
going
to
be
noise,
there's
going
to
be
impacts,
there's
going
to
be
debris,
but
I
think
to
date
we
have
now
provided
a
majority
of
that
that
I
hope
would
satisfy
the
board
and
certainly
if
additional
things
are
needed,
we're
we're
we're
on
it.
I
mean
we
are
trying.
You
know
we
really
scrambled
also
just
to
get
the
cmc
stuff
put
together
as
quickly
as
we
did,
and
I
think
the
the
positive
outcome
of
that
is.
It
looks
like
a
really
good
potential
direction
for
us.
V
To
where
being
being
that
it's
a
new
investigation
for
us,
the
team
as
a
whole
is
not
ready
to
fully
commit
to
the
cmc
piles
specifically,
but
I
do
I
do
have
my
you
know.
I
guess
I'm
I'm
hopeful
that
perhaps
we
it
it
is
found
that
that
is
the
most
beneficial
path,
but
for
now
we
certainly
we
have
two.
We
have
two
pile
systems
designed,
I
guess
for
the
project
that
will
work.
One
being
the
steel.
V
You
know
steel,
piles,
driven
and
the
cmc
option,
which,
as
we
get
a
little
further
on
and
investigating
it
and
having
some
team
coordination
meetings
that
might
become
more
of
the
winner
in
this.
I
think
I
think
people
are
hopeful
for
that,
but
just
not
quite
ready
to
make
that
100
commitment
to
it.
So.
B
Fair
enough,
I
appreciate
you
letting
us
know
where
you
are
there.
I
think
at
this
point
the
thing
that
makes
sense
is
for
the
the
board
to
go
through
the
document.
Conveniently
the
first
section
of
the
document
is
impact
on
land
and
the
highlight
is
about
you
know,
foundations.
So.
U
B
I
I
understand
that
you're
in
it-
and
you
know
you're
by
virtue
of
being
in
it
you're
going
to
have
a
very
different
perspective.
I
I
totally
understand
that
so
I'd
open
the
floor
to
board
members
or
staff
questions
or
perspectives
on
impact
on
land
and,
of
course
the
highlight
there
is
on
foundation,
impacts,
mckinsey
yeah,.
O
This
memo
from
david
elwyn
from
emp
just
making
sure
you
know
they
say
that
they
to
ensure
like
pre-surveys
and
post
surveys
and
whatnot,
but
they'll
include
it
in
there
that
the
bid
specifications
will
have
similar
requirements
if,
whatever
that
final,
like
documentation
is
of
who's
responsible,
if
it's
enp
or
if
it's
vism
or
like
who's
whoever's
orchestrating
it
both.
I
guess
I
think
that
should
be
included
as
referenced
in
part
three
lisa.
I
think
this
so.
F
Just
the
normal
language,
about
okay
reference
that
and
say
that
I
mean
you
could
also
say
that
you
want
them
to
provide
you
with
the
monitoring
plan.
Once
it's
ready.
O
O
Yeah
who's
responsible
for
it.
Let's
just
include
that,
especially
because
there
has
been
tension
about
the
potential
for
nearby
property
damage.
We
definitely
want
to
leave
a
clear
paper
trail
about
huta
who
to
discuss
that
with.
Should
anything
happen
in
the
future.
But
that's
the
only
thing
I
have
to
say
about
that
part.
B
We
have
looked
at
this
document
before,
but
this
is,
I
think,
pretty
considerably
fleshed
out
since
then,
and
if
at
any
point
people
feel
like
they
need
to
see
the
section
that
incorporates
the
letter
from
vism
or
from
vism's
consultant.
I
believe
that's
the
impact
on
human
health
section.
I
believe
we
have
that
digitally.
You
can
pull
it
up.
V
Yeah
I'll
add,
if
I
can,
that
that
document
was
provided
by
geologic,
who
is
the
company
that
also
performed
the
phase
one
psa,
so
you
know,
I
think,
certainly
familiarity
and
continuity
with
them
is
going
to
be
helpful.
Moving.
B
B
I
will
say
I
feel
comfortable
with
most
of
this
part
three
as
I
as
I
look
back
through
it.
The
only
thing
I
wish
is,
I
wish
we
were
settled
on
the
less
impactful
foundation
strategy
and
it's
not
like
we
can
prescribe
a
strategy
at
this
stage.
Is
my
understanding,
garrick.
J
So
rob
I'm
I'm
you
know
maybe
asking
looking
to
help
from
you
or
lisa
or
anyone
who
knows
the
answer,
but
you
know
in
my
recollection
you
know:
we've
had
pile
drivings,
but
it's
almost
always
been
on
a
site
that
is
not
directly
adjacent
to
people's
homes.
It's
my
recollection,
that's
right
and
you
know
people
were
at
across
the
street,
but
you
know
you
look
at
the
you
know
the
map
from
mr
pickerel.
I
mean
this
is
like
right
on
his
property
line
and
you
know
if
it
was.
J
If
someone
proposed
coming
right
to
my
property
line
and
driving
pylons
for
four
months.
You
know
I
mean
I
mean
it
it.
It
does
make
the
home
uninhabitable
and
I
don't
know,
what's
the
resolution
of
that.
I
don't
know
if
there's
case
law
on
that,
I
don't
know,
I
don't
really
know
kind
of
how
to
deal
with
it,
but
it
it
seems
like
an
unacceptable
environmental
externality.
J
So
I
don't
know
what
the
solution
is
if
it's
to
put
the
neighbors
in
a
hotel
or
temporary
housing,
or
you
know,
especially
with
so
many
people
working
at
home.
Now
I
don't
know
you
know
it,
but
something's
got
to
be
done
and
and
the
answer
that
that
construction
costs
are
going
up
while
true,
is
really
not.
I
mean.
V
J
V
Could
if
I'll,
I
I'd
like
to
comment
on
that
gear,
so
yeah,
we
don't
bring
that
up
to
make
that
part
of
the
board's
concern.
We
make
that
we
bring
that
up
to
make
that
a
point
of
the
project
scenario
as
it
exists,
but
one
of
the
things
that
you
know
you
mentioned
yeah,
it's
on
the
property
line.
You
know
to
what
extent
is
far
enough
away
from
the
property
line
acceptable
to
the
board,
to
the
neighbor.
V
To
whomever
I
mean
one
of
the
one
of
the
things
that
was
written
in
in
one
of
the
emails
from
dave
alwyn
was
you
know
if
the
board
wanted
to
see
some
sort
of
provision
where
driven
piles,
specifically,
if,
let's
just
say
a
determined
path
needed
or
wanted
to
be
made,
you
know
tonight
or
whatever
sooner
than
later,
let's
say
to
you
know
that,
because
we
know
that
the
cmc
piles
can
work
to
a
degree.
V
Obviously
it
requires
coordination
and
modification
to
the
to
the
actual
foundation
system
itself
and
how
it
would
integrate
in
with
a
driven
pile
system,
essentially
talking
about
going
a
hybrid
style
right.
You
know
so
at
what
distance
away
from
a
property
line
does
driving
a
pile,
become
you
know,
okay
or
accepted
by
anybody,
that
being
the
board's
opinions
or
the
neighbors
opinions.
V
You
know,
I
don't
know
that
that
we
would
find
a
distance
that
we
could
put
down
on
paper
and
say:
if
we're
this
far
away,
then
we
will
drive
piles
or
or
not
so
we're.
This
is
where
it's
difficult
for
us
too,
because
we
are
battling
budget
and,
like
I
I
mentioned
earlier,
I
think
the
hope
is
that
the
cmc
piles
will
will
win
out.
I
you
know,
I'm
hopeful
of
that.
V
So
more
time
needs
to
be
spent.
We
do
have
plans
for
a
coordination
meeting
with
the
whole
group
in
monarch
group
to
get
involved.
You
know
at
that
ground
level
to
start
hashing
out
real
plans
for
that
we're
just
not
there
yet.
J
So
can
I
just
I
mean
I
mean
this
this,
although
it's
new
to
this
board,
or
at
least
it's
new
to
me,
I
don't
think
it's
a
new
problem
in
general
and
you
know
I
mean
people
live
in
cities,
there's
noise
in
cities,
there's
disruptions,
there's
vibrations,
and
so
sometimes
surely,
over
the
course
of
all
this
case
law
there's
been
some
establishment
of
what
is
sort
of
an
acceptable
disturbance
that
people
just
have
to
put
up
with
as
part
of
living
in
the
city
and
what's
an
unacceptable
disturbance
that
the
person
creating
the
externality
has
to
somehow
compensate
the
neighbor.
J
For
and
you
know,
noise
can
be
measured
in
decibels
and
and
vibration
can
be
measured
in
some
unit.
I
don't
know
what
it
is,
but
I'm
sure
the
engineers
know
so
it
seems
like
we
ought
to
be
able
to
go
to
a
document
that
says
you
know
in
new
york
state
case
law.
This
is
the
acceptable
level
of
noise
and
vibrations
that
neighbors
have
to
just
put
up
with
as
part
of
living
in
the
city
and
beyond
that
threshold.
J
F
Don't
know
yeah,
it's
not
part
of
seeker,
I
mean
seeker
is
about.
You
know
that
magnitude
of
the
impact
is
about
how
many
people
are
affected.
So
that's
not
wouldn't
be
a
seeker
thing,
but
you
know.
Certainly
the
impact
is
real
and
the
and
the
and
the
this
site
is
very
unique
in
the
way
it
goes
through
and
in
between
different
buildings.
We
haven't
ever
seen
a
project
like
this
before,
specifically.
B
Yeah
I
find
myself
looking
for
the
same
things
that
I
feel
like
derrick's
looking
for
I
mean
yeah
and
and
yeah.
Maybe
you
could
just
expand
on
sort
of
the
role
of
seeger,
because
I
mean
because
eric
referenced
case
law
a
couple
times.
I
think
that's
interesting,
because
sort
of
part
of
me
goes
but
wait.
This
is
for
the
courts,
this
isn't
for
us
and,
of
course,
that's
work,
but
you
know
you
say
it's
it.
So
so
what?
What?
B
What
does
seeker
say
when
there
is
a
real
impact?
You
know
in
a
potentially
very
significant
impact,
but
only
on
a
small
group
of
people
like
like
what
does?
What
does
that
mean.
I
S
F
I
mean
you
know
what
seeker
would
say
is
if
you
don't
have
enough
information
to
determine
an
impact.
You
need
to
get
more
information.
So,
if
like,
for
instance,
what
brandon
was
saying,
what
would
be
the
distance
that
you,
if
you
were
going
to
do
a
hybrid
foundation
system,
for
instance,
what
would
be
the
correct
distance
between
you
know
from
a
property
line?
You
know
that
would
be
a
study.
F
You
know
if,
if
you
were,
if
you
were
going
to
propose
a
hybrid
foundation,
that
would
be
a
study
to
study
that,
because
you
don't
know
that
you
can't,
we
can't
determine
that.
We'd
have
to
have
somebody
help
us
with
that.
So,
but
yes,
seeker
is
about
magnitude,
but
it's
not.
You
know
you
have
to
make
the
boat
the
you
have
to
base
your
decision
on
what
you
know
or
or
if
you
don't
know
enough,
you
ask
for
more
study
on
it.
J
I
guess
it's
just
to
understand.
When
I
talk
about
magnitude,
I
mean
if
a
construction
worker
is
whistling,
why,
while
he
works,
that's
a
noise,
but
it
has
a
minimal.
You
know
minimal
impact
right.
It's
a
minimal
magnitude
of
pylon
driving
is
a
large
magnitude,
and
so
you
know,
if
you
talk
about
magnitudes
of
environmental
impact,
I
think
you
need
to
quantify
it
with
something,
and
so,
if
it's,
if
it's
not
case
law,
then
maybe
the
dec
has
guidelines
on
what's
acceptable
noise
pollution.
I
F
U
One
thing
that
the
project
team
is
definitely
open
to
is,
if
it
takes
a
bit
longer
to
put
the
foundations
in
the
ground
like
by
doing
reduced
hours
during
the
day,
like
we're
happy
to
do
that.
I
F
O
Also,
if
I
may
like
to
me
being
able
to
mitigate
it,
means
being
open
to
helping
to
fix
something
that
goes
wrong,
that
we
don't
know
about
yet,
and
we
don't
you
know
often
our
mitigations
are
very
front
loaded
during
construction.
But
what
happens
if
a
neighbor's
foundation
does
crack
during
pile
driving?
We
know
and-
and
we
know
that
it
does,
because
there
have
been
surveys
before
and
after
who,
who
is
responsible
for
it?
V
I
I
I
have
a
few
a
few
things
to
add
to
a
couple
of
comments
here
that
we
made
so
I'll
back
I'll
go
backwards.
All
answers
mackenzie's,
first
dave's
email
does
actually
talk
about
the
vibration,
monitoring
and
visual.
Both
you
know
from
a
visual
inspection
before
and
after
and
throughout
duration
and
so
forth,
and
that
you
know
damages
incurred
along
that
time
frame.
If
there
were
to
be
any
that
it
would
certainly
be.
You
know
the
project
owner
developer.
What
if
you
will
need
to
rectify
that
correct
it
fix
it,
etc?
V
One
of
the
interesting
things
that
he
did
point
out-
and
I
forget
if
it
was
in
the
specific
emails
that
I
included
there
if
it
was
in
a
prior
discussion
I
had
with
dave
but
in
other
projects
where
they've
done
decimal
rated
readings
throughout
pile
driving
operations,
and
actually
it
was
a
downtown
project.
V
The
highest
decibel
rating
that
was
recorded
on
site
was
actually
put
by
a
passing
truck,
not
not
from
the
pile
driving
operation,
and
I
know
a
lot
of
the
discussion
here
tonight
is
all
about
this
proximity
to
neighbors
and
closest
and
stuff.
But
I
work
on
west
state
street
right
across
from
the
state
theater
and
when
the
pile
driving
was
going
on
at
the
new
library
location
blocks
away,
you
know
it
was.
It
was
impactful
to
us
that
far
away,
so
I
I
think
to
to
say
that
we
are
a
unique
situation.
V
We,
where
we
are
the
only
ones
or
the
first
ones
in
the
city
to
have
this
kind
of
an
impact
on
residential
properties
is,
is
really
short-sighted
and
incorrect.
There's
I
I'd
argue
that
just
about
every
pile
driving
operation
that's
occurred
in
this
city
has
been
impactful
to
neighboring
properties
now
granted
to
garrett's
point,
maybe
not
on
their
property
line
to,
and
maybe
that
maybe
the
concern
here
isn't
so
much
the
the
noise
impact
of
it.
V
If
it's
happening
during
the
day,
although,
like
you
said
people
working
from
home,
but
perhaps
it's
vibratory
concerns
to
where,
if
you
know,
if
this
is
the
path
we
go
and
again
we're
still
talking
hypotheticals
to
an
extent
because
we
haven't
made
that
decision
yet
that
you
know
if
a
mitigation
measure
was
you
know
if,
let's
say
fred,
being
the
one
neighbor
who
who
has
this
concern
because
he
does
work
from
home
and
that
would
virtually
make
it
a
you
know
impossible
task
to
achieve.
V
If
you
know
there
was
a
way
to
provide
him
a
working
space
during
the
during
the
construction
hours
that
he
could
go
to
perform
those,
I
don't
know
I'm
and
I'm
throwing
this
out
there
from
the
standpoint
of
saying
you
know.
I
know
you
guys
are
talking
like
we
are
a
unique
site.
Ironworks
is
literally
50
feet
away
from
those
same
houses
and
they're
doing
you
know
I
mean
it's.
We
are
unique
to
an
extent,
but
we
are
not
creating
new
or
unseen
scenarios
within
the
city
itself
in
terms
of
foundation
systems.
So.
V
V
You
know
all
this
happens
within,
because
part
of
the
reason,
I
think
they
record
decibel
levels,
is
to
make
sure
that
they're
not
exceeding
a
an
accepted
level,
and
if
that,
if
that
exists,
maybe
that's
language
that
gets
put
in
there,
that
if
a
driven
pile
system
goes
in
that
that
decibel
levels
have
to
be
kept
below
a
certain
level,
or
so
you
know,
I
don't
I'm
sure
outfits
that
do
this
on
a
regular
basis,
have
ways
to
mitigate
that
component
of
their
system.
To.
W
V
Extent
I
mean
I
I
don't
know
because
I'm
not
an
expert
in
it,
but
maybe
I
don't
know,
maybe
that's
a
possible
ad.
If
that
were
to
happen.
B
So
I
think
it's
worth
taking
a
pause
going
around
the
room
and
seeing
where
board
members
are
in
terms
of
this
issue,
the
part
three.
What
if
anything,
they'd
want
to
see
before
taking
a
vote
on
a
neg
deck
or
whether
they
feel
ready
to
take
a
vote
on
an
egg
deck
garrick?
I
feel
like
I
get
a
sense
where
you
stand
so
I'm
gonna
come
to
you
last
and
emily.
I
would
start
with
you.
C
However,
I'm
not
yet
comfortable
with
this
construction
piece
of
it,
the
noise,
the
vibration,
I
think
it
either
has
to
be
a
study
that
that,
like
quantifies
as
garrick
said-
or
I
read
in
one
of
the
letters
from
a
tenant
that
it
was
thrown
out
there-
maybe
maybe
the
owner,
developer,
subsidizes,
rent
or,
like
you
said,
brandon-
provides
a
workspace
and
that
would
I
don't
think
we
can
regulate
that.
But
I
feel
like.
F
N
N
I
don't
think
there's
a
way
to
mitigate
it
and
I
in
25
years
of
construction,
you
know
they've
all
complained
and
I've
never
had
to
negotiate
a
temporary
rental
for
any
neighbors.
It's
if
you
know
if,
if
it
bothers
them,
they
can
make
those
arrangements,
but
they
don't
own
the
property
next
door.
And
if
the
contractor
and
the
designer
are
meeting
all
state,
federal
and
local
regulations.
O
I
think
that
there
are
probably
some
minimal
mitigations
we
can
do
that
we
would
often
require.
I
mean
I
think,
that
providing
some
parking
you
know
cornering
some
parking
off
or
something
if
construction
parking
is
gonna
limit.
O
Certain
things
I
mean,
I'm
I'm
open
to
incorporating
some
mitigations
like
that,
but
they
seem
but
they're
they're
personnel
involved
they're
not
related
to
construction.
I
think
they're,
administrative
and
so,
as
lisa
pointed
out,
we
can't
really.
We
can't
really
police
those.
I
agree
with
elizabeth
that
this
is
an
urban
environment
and
this
this
building
has
merit,
and
even
if
it
didn't
have
merit
it
is
it's
a
legal
building.
I'm
aware
that
that
might
make
me
sound
insensitive,
but
I
feel
especially
like
motivated
to
push
affordable
housing
through
in
the
city.
O
You
know,
especially
when
we're
getting
letters
from
people
who
don't
own.
We
we
haven't
heard
from
tenants
of
the
building
that
they're
that
they're
concerned.
You
know
we've
heard
from
owners
of
the
building
and
I
think
owners
who
I
I
believe,
don't
reside
next
door,
and
it
doesn't
mean
that
they're,
you
know
those
valid.
Those
concerns
are
obviously
valid
and
if
they're
you
know
like
my
to
my
point
before,
if
there
is
damage,
I
think
there
has
to
be
some
mechanism
for
people
to
recoup
like
those
costs.
O
That's
only
like
the
generous,
you
know,
like
good-hearted
thing
to
do
and
I
want
wreck.
I
think
we
need
to
have
a
record
of
all
of
those.
You
know
like
the
the
plan,
and
I
think
I
think
that
the
board
can
totally
encourage
you
to
go
with
whatever
system.
We
know
the
cmc
system,
that's
going
to
have
less
impact,
but
I
yeah
I
mean
I've.
O
I've
also
been
coming
to
city
hall
meetings
for
a
significant
portion
of
my
life
and,
and
I
do
think
that
we
often
see
a
case
of
people's
devotion
to
a
place
allowing
them
to
feel
entitled
to
the
surrounding
environment,
and
I
think
that
this
project
is
going
to
be
really
good
for
the
city
and
I'd
like
to
see
some
of
those.
You
know
potential
like
mous
or
whatever
might
exist,
but
I'm
not
going
to
hold
up
an
egg
deck
for
this
like
affordable,
infill
development
project.
J
So
I've
been
wondering
when
university
of
chicago
nobel
prize
winning
economist
ronald
coast
would
come
into
the
planning
board,
but
he
has
come
in
now,
so
he
did
a
lot
of
the
pioneering
work
in
law
and
economics
on
the
resolution
of
externalities
right.
So
we
have
a
property,
a
that
is
going
to
pursue
a
lawful
development
right
and
generate
a
negative
externality
to
neighboring
property
b
right.
J
Now
the
idea
that
you
can
do
anything
on
your
property,
irrespective
of
you,
know
the
negative
externalities
on
your
neighbor.
We
all
agree,
that's
ridiculous,
because
we
readily
accept,
for
example,
that
you
can't
drive
pylons
at
3am,
no
one's
proposing
that
you
drive
pylons
at
3am.
But
if
you
subscribe
to
the
view
that
you
can
do
anything
you
want
on
your
property,
then
then
you
wouldn't
have
a
problem
with
that.
So
what
we
all
acknowledge
is
that
there's
there's
some
you
know
there's
some.
J
You
said
that
I'm
just
saying,
but
nobody's
saying
that
which
is
which
is,
which
is
an
indication
that
we
all
agree
implicitly
that
there's
some
limit
on
the
exercise
of
property
rights.
Of
course
you
didn't
say
that
no
one
would
say
that
right,
but
the
fact
that
no
one
would
say
that
is
is
an
implicit
understanding
of
that
there
are
limits
and
what
I'm
trying
to
get
at
is
what
is
the
middle
ground
there?
You
know
the
the
neighbors
have
a
certain
right
to
some
peace
and
quiet.
J
The
developer
has
a
certain
right
to
develop
and
what
we're
looking
for
is
sort
of
the
median
compromise.
What
I
would
like
to
hear
from
the
applicant
is
okay.
This
pylon
system
is
going
to
generate
this
level
of
noise
and
this
is
it
a
richter
scale.
That's
the
vibration
or
this
level
of
richter
scale,
and
you
know
this.
This
is
what
it's
going
to
be
and
either
they
the
developer,
can
say
that
falls
below
some
established
guidelines
set
by
the
dec
or
case
law
or
whatever.
But
the
developer
can
make
the
case.
J
The
applicant
can
make
the
case
that
this
level
of
noise
and
vibration
is
acceptable,
see
this
regulation
or
see
this
case
law,
and
all
that
I
would
then
gladly
say
you
can
go
ahead,
okay,
but
I
think
that's
on
the
developer,
not
on
us,
okay,
alternatively,
plan
b
for
the
developer
is
to
privately
work
it
out
with
the
neighbors,
in
which
case
there's
no
one
complaining
so
but
either
come
to
us
with
the
regulation
that
says
this
is
an
acceptable
level
of
noise
and
vibration.
It
must
exist.
It
must
because
this
has
happened.
J
B
Hear
that
so
I'm
gonna
lean
on
lisa
pretty
hard
in
terms
of
what
I
should
do.
Next,
I'm
gonna
I'm
gonna,
try
to
summarize
what
I
feel
like
I've
heard.
I
feel,
like
I've,
heard
a
majority
of
the
of
the
majority
of
this
board
ready
to
vote
for
an
egg
deck
today,
and
I
think
that
there's
you
know
oh
mackenzie.
O
I'm
in
favor
of
voting
for
a
neg
deck,
but
I
don't
want
to
vote
on
it
yet
today,
because
I
think
that
there
are
still
some
discussions
to
be
had.
As
garrick
said,
there
are
like
a
couple
of.
There
are
options
that
might
be
the
developer,
bringing
us
more
information
either
about
an
agreement
with
the
neighbor
or
existing
research
yeah.
O
I
and
I
am
generally
in
favor
of
a
negative
declaration,
but
I
think
we
have
to
kind
of
like
do
our
due
diligence
and
if
this
is
a
question
that
is,
that
remains
for
members
of
the
board
and
for
members
of
the
public,
it
seems
fair
for
us
to
request
that
we
get
some
information
about
it
with
the
hope
of
coming
to
an
egg
deck.
You
know,
like
my
hope,
is
not
to
create
more
work
and
then
say
that
we
we
want
to
go
through
a
three-year
environment,
impact
statement
or
study,
or
anything
like
that.
B
Okay
and
then
the
other
thing
I
wanted
to
mention
is
that
you
know
I
feel,
like
the
two
sort
of
opposite
poles
to
to
sort
of
unfairly
put
them.
That
way
is
garrick
saying
that
we
are
reaching
for
a
standard
and
elizabeth's
saying
that
there
is
a
standard
and
this
meets
the
standard,
and
so
it's
an
egg
deck,
and
I
I
kinda
you
know
I
I
can
almost
see
both
sides
there,
and
so
I
would
lean
on
lisa
and
ask
what
are
the
reasonable
ways
forward.
F
So
I
mean,
I
think
it's
really
your
job.
Yes,
yes,
there
are
standards.
Yes,
we
have
a
noise
ordinance.
Yes,
you
know
all
of
this,
but
you
know
it's
really
your
job
to
look
at
the
evidence.
That's
been
presented
and
determine
if
the
applicant
either
you
don't
either.
The
applicant
has
mitigated
the
impacts
to
this
particular
project
to
the
maximum
extent
practicable
or
you
don't
know.
Yet.
F
So
you
know
what's
practicable,
you
know.
So,
yes,
we
have
standards,
but
things
can
still
be
impactful.
So
if
you,
you
could
determine
based
on
a
recent
argument
that
the
standards
that
are
in
place
are
enough
to
mitigate
the
impact
in
this
case,
but
not
in
another
case
or
whatever.
F
So,
and
you
know,
how
long
is
it
going
to
be?
How
permanent
is
the
impact,
and
you
know
how
how
many
people
does
it
affect?
Really
is
the
you
know,
and
that
might
be
unique
to
each
situation
now,
if,
if
your
concern
was
that
the
building
is
too
big,
that's
a
permanent
impact
that
has
a
bigger
magnitude.
You
know
that's
a
different
situation,
so.
F
You
have
to
just
reason
through
it
and
consider
all
the
evidence,
and
that's
all
that
seeker
asks
of
you.
So
it's
not
that
you
have
to
yeah
so.
O
What
we're
dealing
with
is
not
like
board
generated
issues
with
the
design,
but
we're
talking
about
neighbors
and
like
while
there
is
an
impact
on
community
character.
There
isn't
really
a
just
like
flat
out.
Do
these
do
the
immediate
neighbors
like
this
project
or
not,
you
know,
and
so
we
kind
of
have
to
address
it
through
other
areas
through
the
mitigations,
and
so
I
think
that's
why
like,
if,
if
you
can
come,
if
you
come
up
with
a
parking
agreement,
you
know
for
the
neighbor
who's
concerned
about
his
tenants
parking.
O
I
feel
like
that's
right.
I
don't
I
don't
I
don't
I'm
not
requesting
like
a
an
independent
study.
I
think
garrick's
point
about
wanting
some
evidence
about
thresholds
is
fair
and
I
also
feel
like
none
of
us
own,
the
sunlight
and
it
I
feel
called
to
say
that
we're
all
on
stolen
land
in
the
first
place
anyway.
So
some
of
this
quibbling
about,
like
you
know,
pile
driving
and
whatnot
feels
it
just.
It
feels
incredibly
privileged.
I
suppose
which
it
is
right.
O
We're
talking
about
ownership,
home
ownership
in
the
city
of
ithaca,
that's
privilege,
development
being
a
developer
in
the
city.
That's
privileged,
like
I
just
want
to
be
really
sensitive
to
these
to
these
issues,
and
so
lisa,
while,
like
affordability,
might
not
have
anything
to
do
with
it.
It
does
have
something
to
do
with
it,
because
a
lot
of
people
are
building
buildings
that
aren't
meant
to
be
affordable
to
like
improve
the
quality
of
life
for
people
in
the
city
who
don't
have
access
to
other
ways.
I
don't
see
any.
O
I
can't
see
all
these
things
as
separate
and
there
isn't
you
know,
seeker
doesn't
talk
about
these
social
things
and
I
feel
like
we
have
we.
We
have
to
talk
about
them.
We
have
to
bring
them
up,
but
I
feel
like
if
we
have
like
construction
information
about
parking.
You
know
that's
kind
of
like
where
I'm
at.
C
I'm
wondering
if
we'll
find
out
about
the
cmc
in
six
months,
is
it
a
cost
problem?
You
know
I
feel
like
this
would
be
a
slam
dunk
if
the
applicant
would
commit
to
the
cmc
now
it
would
be
a
very
easy
name
deck
for
me.
V
Yeah,
I
I'm
not
I.
I
can
speak
from
the
architectural
side
of
things
that
I'm.
I
am
not
at
liberty
to
make
that
decision
tonight.
I
don't
know
if
patrick
would
be
either,
but
I
you
know
I
certainly
understand.
There's
a
lot
of
irony
in
this
conversation
happening
right
now,
which
is
well.
I
hear
you
it's
ironic.
B
B
You
know
about
just
the
question
that
lisa
raised,
which
is
are
the
impacts,
mitigated
to
what
you
would
consider
as
an
individual
board
member
the
maximum
extent
practicable,
and
do
you
need
to
see
anything
else
to
know
that
I
mean
so
it's
just
really
those
questions,
and
I
think
I
just
I
think
for
me
to
be
able
to
do
my
job
as
chair
at
this
point.
I
just
need
to
know
where
everybody
on
the
board
stands
on
those
two
questions
and
right
now
I
know
it
for
maybe
three
people
so
garrick.
J
Oh,
I
think
you
said
it
well
rob
I
mean
that's
that's
what
I
want.
I
just
feel
like
right
now
we
don't
have
the
information
and
so
by
next
month.
If
we
have
the
information,
how
much
noise,
how
much
vibration?
Is
it
a
reasonable
amount
or
not?
Can
there
be
an
accommodation
made
with
the
neighbor
if
that's
fully
fleshed
out
to
the
maximum
extent,
then
I'm
on
board
for
this
project.
I
support
this
part.
I
want
us
to
move
forward.
J
I
just
don't
think
we
have
all
the
information
we
need
and
I
don't
think
it's
okay
for
the
neighbors
to
just
you
know
let
this
you
know
for
sake
of
the
neighborhood
to
let
this
move
forward
without
getting
full
information.
The
one
thing
I'd
say
is
that
you
know
as
much
as
I
and
everyone
else
is
in
favor
of
affordable
housing.
I
don't
think
the
environmental
stand
standard
changes,
because
the
the
project
being
built
includes
affordable
housing.
I
think
it's
the
same
standard
irregardless
of
what's
being
built,
whether
it's
market
rate,
affordable.
C
I'd
agree
with
eric
more
information
next
time
on
the
noise
and
vibration.
B
Okay,
thank
you.
Emily
elizabeth.
N
O
O
To
that
the
sooner
I
think
we
can,
we
can
feel
as
if
this
was
mitigated
properly.
B
Okay,
so
with
that,
I
am
definitely
not
calling
for
a
vote
on
a
neg
deck
tonight.
We've
also
spent
way
more
time
on
this
project
than
we
said.
We
were
going
to
per
the
agenda,
so
I
want
to
circle
back
with
lisa
again
and
just
say:
what
do
we
want
to
make
sure
we
look
at
before
we
let
the
applicant
go
today.
F
Well,
I
think
that
you've,
given
them
some
direction
about
what
to
provide
for
next
month.
We
can
update
the
part
three
based
on
the
information
they
provided
today
and
yesterday,
and
I
don't
I
think
that
that's
fine,
I
don't
think
we
need
to
look
at
anything
else.
I
can't
identify
anything
else.
No.
I
I
G
F
I
mean
I
mean
I
wouldn't
from
a
procedural
point
of
view.
B
So
we'll
handle
that
presumably
next
month
we
do
the
neg
deck
month.
I'll
say
personally
that
elizabeth
eventually
convinced
me,
you
know
I
trust
her
professional
judgment,
so
I
probably
would
have
voted
neg
deck
tonight,
but
I
feel
relieved
that
we're
going
to
have
more
information
to
look
at
and
I
think
we'll
be
able
to
make
a
a
more
full
fully.
You
know
knowledgeable
decision
and
emily.
I
saw
your
hand.
C
C
Haven't
fully
read
it,
but
I
think
I
will
for
next
time
and
yeah,
that's
all
from
the
dec.
So
maybe
every.
B
Applicant
should
as
well
thank
you
for
sharing
that
garrick.
I
saw
your
hand.
J
I
just
point
out
that
elizabeth
may
be
entirely
correct,
and
so
then
it's
just
a
matter
of
if
whoever
knows
the
answer
bring
back
the
document
that
says
she's
correct,
and
I
will
gladly
admit
that
that
she
was
right.
B
You're
here
no,
I
mean,
and
I
I
feel
I
feel
pretty.
Similarly,
I
I
do
feel
a
sense
of
relief
not
having
to
vote
on
this
tonight,
not
knowing
what
I
don't
know
so
lisa.
F
Yeah,
I
just
want
to
say
that
I
you
know,
I
know
this
is
probably
disappointing
for
the
applicant,
but
just
you
know,
I
think
everybody
should
remember
that
we
all
have
the
same
goal
right
to
to
eventually
do
a
neg
deck
based
on
a
solid
argument,
and
if
there's
doubt
then
that
is
you
know
that
affects
the
you
know
that
could
affect
the
you
know
the
reasoning.
So
I
think
that
we
all
want
the
same
thing.
We
want
a
solid
neg
deck
to
stand
up.
B
B
C
Road,
so
I
will
say
this:
the
cec
document
on
noise.
It
gives
specific
thresholds
and
decibel
levels,
so
that's
all
in
a
quick
scan.
This
might
be
what
we
need.
W
B
Can
looks.
W
B
W
No,
I
don't
think
so.
I
think
heinrich
fisher
is
on
for
the
next
project,
which
is
fine,
but
here
tonight
we're
here
to
talk
about
the
kfc
project
at
405,
elmira,
road,
quick
updates
based
on
feedback
from
the
prc
committee
meeting
there
we
had
on
the
11th
and
rich
wilkinson
will
give
us
some
updates
on
the
building
facade
here,
because
we
were
asked
to
discuss
and
possibly
consider
some
alternatives
to
the
ephis.
W
That
was
basically,
you
know,
discussed
and
kind
of
agreed
upon
in
the
early
stages
of
the
planning
board
review,
quick
updates
on
the
site
side
lisa.
I
will
acknowledge
that
I
did
not
get
the
tree
that
the
suggested
tree
planting
on
the
the
southwest
side
of
the
plans
incorporating
the
submission
that
we
sent
in,
but
they
have
been
added.
W
So
we
just
added
some
landscape
plan
through
areas
with
two.
I
believe
red
maple
trees
in
there
resulted
in
a
net
zero
change
in
the
provided
parking.
So
that's
that's
in
there
that's
part
of
the
plan
set
now
the
patio.
I
believe
we
talked
about
that
the
prc
meeting.
The
patio
does
have
a
railing
around
it
and
really
you
know.
W
On
the
slight
side,
there
have
been
minimal
changes
since,
since
we
last
spoke
on
the
sidewalk
side,
if
you
recall
the
sidewalk
extension
out
to
the
south,
just
a
quick
reminder:
that's
on
state
park
land.
We
have
engaged
state
parks
over
the
last
month
or
month
and
a
half
this
friday.
They
are
supposed
to
be
talking
internally
with
their
council
on
how
they're
in
favor
of
it,
okay,
they
just
want
to
figure
out
a
way
to
ensure
maintenance
of
it
because
they
don't
they
don't
want
to
have
to
take
care
of
it.
W
So
whether
it's
going
to
be
an
easement
to
to
the
applicant
or
possibly
if
the
preference
for
them
is
to
have
the
city
take
care
of
it
because
it
connects
to
the
city
right
of
way.
Then
you
know
that
that's
a
separate
conversation
I
have
to
have
with
streets
and
sidewalks
and
then
state
parks.
So
as
a
friday,
we
should
have
a
direction
as
to
which
way
they
want
to
go
for
sidewalk
maintenance,
and
that's
really
that's
really
it
on
the
site
side.
B
Okay,
thank
you
for
that
any
further
updates.
B
I
know
that
there
was
discussion
in
prc
of
possibly
looking
at
materials,
or
I
don't
remember
exactly
where
we
with.
We
left
that.
But
then
you
know
mitch
brought
up
some
aesthetic
concerns
and
I
believe
the
applicant
was
open
to
those
concerns.
T
Yeah,
I
I
have
submitted
the
samples
to
the
city
of
the
the
the
different
color
ephesus
and
that
we
currently
use
on
our
buildings.
T
I
did
review
the
comment
on
the
building
in
ohio.
That
building
is
like
30
years
old.
So
it's
a
a
very
old
look
that
does
have
some
brick
to
it
and
and
eefus
mix.
T
It's
it's
something
that
we've
moved
away
from
as
a
company
for
branding
purposes.
I
mean
I'm
open
to
some
suggestions
if,
if
there's
an
issue
but
we'd
like
to
keep
our
branding
the
way,
we
discussed
it
in
the
the
first
meetings
that
we
had,
if
possible,.
B
I
do
want
to
say,
for
the
benefit
of
those
who
were
not
at
prc,
mitch,
reopened
the
sort
of
facade
as
a
topic
of
discussion
and
was
having
second
thoughts
on
the
direction
of
that
facade,
with
the
the
powerful
brand
statement
with
the
red
and
white
ephis
and
mentioned
a
particular
kfc
that
he
had
seen
while
traveling,
and
we
discussed
that
with
the
applicant-
and
I
don't
know
to
what
extent
we're
looking
to
reopen
that
conversation
today,
we
don't
have
any
action
on
this
project
today,
other
than
a
bza
wreck.
B
So
it's
not.
You
know
a
problem.
If
we
take
a
a
couple
minutes
and
talk
about
to
what
extent
we
want
to
reopen
things
on
that
and
mitch,
I
would
turn
it
over
to
you.
If
you'd
like
that,
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
your
thoughts,
there.
D
Yeah
I
mean,
I
think,
you've
framed
it
properly.
That's
what
I
had
seen
and
that's
what
I
had
reflected
on
when
I
was
in
vacation
in
cleveland
and
the
sense
that
they
have
a
situation
in
a
village
called
north
olmsted,
that's
very
similar
to
elmira
road.
D
It's
it's
auto
oriented,
but
I
think
you
know
whether
it's
30
years
ago
or
you
know
a
year
ago,
they
seem
to
for
some
buildings.
Have
it
adhered
to
a
more
traditional
style
of
architecture
that
I
think,
creates
a
different
character
on
that
road.
That
downplays
the
the
sort
of
primacy
of
the
automobile
makes
a
little
bit
softer.
I
you
know,
and
what
I
said
at
prc
was
that
we
as
a
board
spend
a
lot
of
time
talking
about
the
details
of
facades
of
buildings
on
elmira
road.
D
You
know
the
the
projects
that
we
look
at
and
I
just
feel
like
we've,
we've
kind
of
I
don't
know
how
it
was
phrased
in
the
notes,
but
that
was
that
was
right
that
we
had
sort
of
given
up
on
this
one.
Maybe
too
quickly-
and
I
know
garrick
had
mentioned
it
early
on
and
you
know
I'm
guilty
of
that
as
well
of
just
saying
like
yeah.
This
is
the
brand.
D
This
is
the
building
we
get,
but
I
feel
just
like
in
a
place
like
ithaca
that
maybe
we
should
just
take
another
look
at
it
and
that's
what
I
was
really
asking
the
applicant
and
perhaps
the
board
colleagues
to
do.
B
B
We
gave
a
sort
of
set
of
feedback
and
picked
a
direction
and
we've
gone
down
the
process
and
we're.
You
know
a
lot
further
down
like
down
the
process,
and
you
know
I
I
don't
have
a
huge
appetite
for
for
revisiting
the
facade.
My
thoughts
are
what
they
were
then,
but
I
mean
we
can
do
that
and
I
think
if
the
board
wants
to
you
know
we
should.
B
We
should
talk
about
that
and
I
think
it's
worth
just
going
around
the
room
and
sort
of
getting
a
sense
of
where
people
are
and
emily
since
you're
at
the
top
of
my
screen
and
start
with
you.
C
Sure
I
feel
good
still
about
the
ephes
and
the
colors.
I
haven't
seen
the
product
samples,
yet
I
will
make
sure
to
do
that
before
the
next
prc,
but
I
agree
with
mitch
that
we
do
spend
a
lot
of
time,
especially
when
we
get
a
building
with
a
lot
of
a
high
percentage
of
ifis.
We
spend
a
lot
of
time
looking
at
the
details
to
try
to
make
sure
where
the
panels
meet
is
detailed.
Well,
where
the
the
roof
coping
is
detailed.
C
Well-
and
I
was
looking
for
that
in
this
packet
today
and
I
see
more
site
details,
so
I
feel
comfortable
moving
forward
if
we
can
see
more
details
on
the
building
exterior,
perhaps
next
time.
N
Yeah,
I
think
I
agree
with
what
our
board
colleagues
have
said
so
far,
although
I
do
feel
that
I'm
ready
to
approve
this,
I
mitch.
What
specifically,
would
you
like
to
see
different.
D
Well,
I
mean,
I
think,
a
building,
that's
more
sensitive
to
architectural
styles,
more
brick,
more
masonry,
less
screaming
kfc
frankly,
but
I'm
interested
in
these
in
these
thoughts.
So
let's
keep
keep
going
around
the
room.
O
Yeah
thanks
mitch
for
bringing
it
up
like.
I
don't
think
that
we
should
ever
be
afraid
of
talking
about.
You
know
like
reopening
conversations.
I
think
it's
really
important
that
we
do
it.
That
being
said,
I'm
actually
like
I'm
okay.
I
wouldn't
I
wouldn't
block
moving
forward.
If
you
know,
I
also
would
appreciate
seeing
some
of
these
details
that,
like
mitch
and
emily,
are
discussing,
but
this
is
a
it's.
You
know.
O
A
tight
commercial
area
already
like
in
a
commercial
part
of
town,
and
there
are
chains
already
and
like
it-
might
not
be
like
the
the
most
perfect
vision
that
we
have
of
ithaca,
and
you
know
I
mean
I
think
as
planners.
We
have
to
be
kind
of
realistic
about,
like
it
looks
like
a
kfc.
It
is
a
kfc
they're
coming
here,
because
they've
probably
done
the
market
research
to
know
that
people
are
going
to
like
it
and
want
to
look
at
it
and
go
there
and
that
matters.
O
I
guess
that
matters
to
me,
and
I
mean
it
would
be
awesome
if
there
was
masonry.
You
know
what
I
mean
like.
I
feel
like.
There
are
definitely
materials
that
we
could
explore.
That
would
kind
of
lift
up
the
like
the
quality
of
the
building,
but
I'm
not
I'm
not
attached
to
it.
N
J
Sorry,
I've
got
too
many
screens
and
I
need
to
make
sure
this
zoom
is
highlighted.
Before
I
get
the
space
bar.
I
don't
know
what
to
say.
You
know
the
design
came.
It
looked
to
me
like
too
much
like
like
a
bucket
of
chicken,
and
so
I
suggested
that
we
tone
it
down
and
then
I
think
it
was
emily
and
others
who
have
much
better
design
sense
than
I
do
said.
J
I
guess
I
was
okay
with
the
red
and
white
striping
just
so
long
it
was
it
was,
you
know,
done
at
the
height,
you
know
at
a
relatively
high
quality
level,
then
you
get
into
well
what
what
defines
high
quality
of
materiality
for
ifis
on
the
building
like
this,
and
I
defer
again
to
mitch
and
emily
because
there
are
architects
and
I'm
not
so
I
don't
really
know
where
to
go
on
that.
I
I
think
I'm
I
I
think
I
stand
with.
I
was
I
made
my
point.
J
I
was
corrected
and
I
think
I'm
okay
with
that.
I
mean
the
only
thing
I'd
say
is
just
to
be
fair.
I
said
the
same
thing
with
texas
roadhouse
and
you
know-
and
I
said
you
know-
is
it
appropriate
to
have
in
ethica
in
terms
of
character
of
neighborhood,
to
the
extent
that
you
can
call
route
13
character
event,
you
know,
if
anything,
is
it
appropriate
to
have
a
ranch?
J
You
know
flying
a
texas
flag
and
what
the
board
said
is
that
it's
a
okay
to
have
a
ranch
as
long
as
it
had
a
sidewalk
to
the
street,
and
you
know
sort
of
we
met
the
design
guidelines
that
we
were
okay
with
the
ranch
house.
So
I
guess,
if
we're?
Okay
with
the
ranch
house,
I
mean
to
be
consistent.
I
think
we're
okay
with
the
big
bucket
of
chicken,
so
I
leave
it
there.
B
Eric's
on
fire
tonight-
and
I
I
think
I
agree
with
the
ranch
house
analogy
just
personally-
I
buy
it
and
I
think
that
taking
a
look
at
architectural
details
on
ephesus,
you
know
is
something
we
should
do
with
this
project,
and
I
think
that
that's
something
I
would
lean
on
emily
and
mitch
to
help
me
understand
one
in
particular.
B
We
need
because
I'll
say
that
I
don't
and
yeah
that's
where
I'm
at
I'm,
I'm
I'm
down
with
the
fun
and
whimsy,
I'm
I'm
fine
with
the
color
scheme
and
the
general
strategy,
but
I
think
having
a
clear
understanding
of
the
details
on
how
the
materials
are
interfacing
with
one
another
would
be
a
way
for
us
to.
You
know,
take
a
look
at
building
quality
and
hold
that
standard,
and
so
I
would
go
back
to
emily
and
mitch
and
ask
them
in
particular
what
we
should
be
looking
for.
B
C
I
would
suggest
looking
at
a
detail
of
how
the
building
interfaces
with
the
ground
there's
going
to
be
splashback
of
water
onto
ifas.
We've
talked
about
cleaning
before
so
I
think
the
detail
at
the
base
is
important.
A
detail
at.
I
can't
remember
if
there's
any
horizontal
coping,
or
maybe
it's
all
vertical,
but
at
a
windowsill
at
a
window
head.
C
You
know,
I
think
cheaper
buildings,
cheaper
building
materials
tend
to
have
a
very
co-planar
window
and
wall
system,
and
so
when
you
start
to
get
relief
of
windows
in
set
and
more
detail
at
the
jam,
it
appears
like
a
more
high
quality
building
and
then
maybe
at
the
top
to
round
it
out
the
coping.
How
is
the
top
finished
off?
What
is
the
detail
to
cap
the
efus.
T
Yeah,
I
can
pull
all
those
we've
submitted,
a
full
set
of
architectural
plans,
they're
in
for
review
with
the
building
department.
Now
based
on
the
original
meeting
we
had
a
couple
of
months
ago.
T
So
all
of
those
details
are
part
of
the
plans.
I
I
notice
everybody
keeps
referring
to
ephesus
as
a
panelized
system.
This
is
not
panelized
efus.
This
is
a
field
applied
ephis,
so
there
are
no
I'll
call
it
breaks
between
panels
or
breaks
between
colors,
it's
a
color
impregnated
surface
and
it's
all
one
smooth
surface.
T
Now
there
is
some
differentiation
on
some
of
the
panels
and
they're
scored
a
little
bit
differently,
but
overall,
it
is
a
very
serviceable
face
from
both
the
ground
level
and
the
upper
levels
and
then
at
the
top,
it's
it
it's
a
simple
u-channel
coping
across
the
top.
That
leaves
very
little
view.
It's
it's
about
a
three
inch
return
down
the
front
face
of
the
building
so
yeah
I
can.
I
can
get
you
whatever
details,
you'd
like
off
those
plans
and
submit
them
separately
to
you.
T
O
You
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
you
saw
the
city.
Foresters
know
about
use,
choosing
a
tree
species
that
is
more
drought,
resistant
than
red,
maple.
W
O
Yeah
great
yeah
and
and
garrick
not
to
believe
the
point,
but
I
I
I
do
you
remember
that
I
put
up
a
big
fuss
about
texas
roadhouse
because
of
this
wall.
They
needed
a
wall
and
it
was
this
weird
place,
and
I
also
remember
having
lots
and
lots
and
lots
of
discussions
about
how
to
make
the
marriott
more
ithaca
centric
and
we,
you
know
it
whittled
down
to
the
curtains
and
the
windows
like
at
a
certain
point.
O
We
we
are
limited
in
what
we
can
request
of
people
who
you
know
own
space
and
want
to
build
buildings.
G
J
I
would
just
say
that
that
I
think
we
did
distinguish
between
the
entrance
to
the
commons
being
more
central
to
the
sort
of
the
the
theme
and
identity
of
ethica
than
route.
13
is
my
recollection.
B
Perhaps
I
think
that
that
brings
us
to
the
bza
recommendation
for
this
project.
So,
as
I
recall,
the
variance
focuses
on
the
front
yard
setback
and
is
needed
because
of
the
way
the
length
the
turn
in
lanes
route
to
multiple
retail
uses.
There
is
that
is
that
a
fair
encapsulation.
W
B
So
to
me,
that's
cut
and
dry,
and
we
can
just
say
that
what
if
anything
else
do
we
want
to
say.
B
Oh
I've
forgotten
about
that
yeah.
With
that
we
generally
support.
You
know
we
generally
support
parking
variances
to
reduce
dependence
on
cars
and
move
towards.
You
know
a
less
car
centric
city.
Is
there
anything
else
we
want
to
say
on
the
parking
variants,
mckinsey.
C
B
W
B
W
J
You
have
you
checked
out
the
the
curtains
in
the
marriott.
Are
they?
Are
they
still
the
descending
shade
of
blue.
O
I
haven't
checked
recently
there
there
were
some
blue
and
white.
There
was.
There
was
an
attempt.
I'll
say
there
was
an
attempt.
I
don't
know
what
it
looks
like
now.
J
For
those
of
you
don't
know
they,
they
had
proposed
a
cascading
thing
of
led
lights
to
come
down
the
corner
of
the
building
to
mimic
at
the
falls
in
the
area,
and
then
they
value
engineered
that
out,
and
then
there
was
an
attempt.
I
think
it
was
john
schroeder
who
suggested
that
they
vary
the
color
of
blue
and
the
curtains
from
the
top
of
the
building
to
the
bottom
of
building
to
mimic
the
fall
of
water
in
the
curtains
as
they
pressed
up
against
the
outside
windows.
Q
Yes,
nathan
with
holt
is
here:
we've
got
adam
fishel
with
marathon
as
well.
Heinrich
should
be
on
and
steve
hugo
with
holt
should
be
here
as
well.
B
Excellent,
so
I
think
the
plan
for
this
project
today
is
to
have
a
short
present.
Well,
no,
have
the
full
design
review
presentation.
Do
the
public
hearing
which,
for
reasons
of
distribution,
may
not
count
as
an
official
public
hearing
and
then
move
into
design,
review
comments
from
the
board
and
have
that
back
and
forth?
So
if
you
would,
please
take
it
away
with
the
presentation.
Q
Q
This
project
has
been
before
you
guys
already,
so
I
think
you've
seen
the
building.
What
I
wanted
to
do
today
was
kind
of
just
update
you
a
little
bit
on
it,
some
of
the
changes
that
we
made
since
the
last
time
we
met
in
terms
of
the
building
itself.
The
building
has
not
really
changed.
There
have
not
been.
You
know,
updates
to
the
building
itself.
Q
The
biggest
focus
that
we
spent
our
time
on
was
responding
to
some
of
the
comments
that
we
heard
from
the
board
last
time
in
terms
of
the
the
plantings
and
stuff
out
in
the
front.
So
what
we've
done
in
the
front
of
the
building
is
to
remove
some
of
the
grasses
along
the
sidewalk
start
to
to
utilize
more
kind
of
vertical
plantings.
Q
In
the
way
of
these
kind
of
pencil
point
junipers
they'll
get
to
be.
You
know,
six
to
eight
feet.
Tall
and
start
to
create
kind
of
a
little
bit
more
verticality
along
the
street
edge.
There
we've
reduced
a
little
bit
of
kind
of
the
concrete
wall.
That's
in
here
and
added
some
more
verticality
there
installed.
Q
You
know
the
purple
piano
made
sure
that
that
is,
you
know
there
and
then
we've
planted
and
what's
shown
here
and
what
was
submitted
as
part
of
this
package
looks
a
little
bit
more
kind
of
refined,
but
the
actual
intent
would
be
something
more
like
this,
which
would
create
a
little
bit
more
of
kind
of
a
natural
infill
with
some
hicks
you
and
then
it'll
start
to
kind
of
drape
over
that
concrete
wall.
The
concrete
wall
is
the
board
form
concrete,
so
it
will
have
kind
of
that
that
board
texture
to
it.
Q
It's
not
going
to
be
just
a
flat
concrete,
so
it
will
have
kind
of
the
graining
and
stuff
to
it.
Really
that
is
the
biggest
update.
I
mean
we're
still
basement,
plus
four
stories
40
units
we
did
supply
the
building
layout,
so
you
can
kind
of
get
a
sense
of
how
those
studio
units
are
laid
out.
Q
So
all
of
our
kind
of
views
are
looking
north
and
south.
In
there
the
there
was
a
question
last
time
about
the
sidewalk,
the
sidewalk
width
right
now
it
is
very
narrow
along
the
street.
You
can
kind
of
see
just
to
the
west,
it's
about
a
five
foot
sidewalk
and
what
we've
done
to
kind
of
relieve
that
pressure.
As
you
know,
we
are
at
the
intersection
of
bryant
in
228,
and
so
what
we've
done
to
relieve
that
pressure
is
actually
pulled.
The
wall
back
and
created
these
these
bench
seating
spaces.
Q
So
the
sidewalk
width
and
the
public
space
has
gone
from
about
five
feet:
up
to
nine
foot,
six
ten
foot
and
its
widest
up
here
to
about
eight
foot
at
kind
of
its
narrowest.
So
you
know
that
public
realm
we've
kind
of
expanded
and
provided
moments
where
people
you
know
walking
along
dryden,
can
stop
and
sit
on
the
benches
people
can
be
waiting
for
tenants
of
the
building.
Q
Q
So
I
think
the
the
biggest
modifications
we've
made
since
the
last
time
we
talked
was
really
on
the
planting
and
trying
to
utilize
what
limited
space
we
have
because
of
grade
and
how
we
have
to
get
up
into
the
units
and
from
the
front
of
the
site
to
create
a
little
bit
more
kind
of
verticality
and
interest
in
some
of
the
planting.
That's
there
is
there.
I
guess
at
that
point,
that's
the
update.
You
know.
Since
the
last
time
we've
talked
I'm
open
to
answering
any
questions
that
you
may
have.
B
Thanks,
I
think
we'll
pause
it
there
and
I'll
ask
you
to
stop
sharing
we'll,
probably
have
you
share
again
after
public
hearing
and
lisa.
I
know
it's
gonna
be
a
little
different
for
a
distribution
snafu,
but
we
are
going
to
not
move
public
hearing.
We
are
instead
just
going
to
open
up
public
comment
and
then
comments
from
members
of
the
public
will
be
entered
into
the
record
as
normal,
but
it
won't
be
an
official
public
hearing
we'll
do
an
official
public
hearing
next
month.
Did
I
get
that
correct.
A
Yeah
we
we
had
had
the
pastor
of
a
nearby
church.
She
was
here
for
a
while
and
now
she
doesn't
seem
to
be
here,
but
we
did
receive
comments
from
a
representative
of
the
church
and
they
were
worried
about
vibration
monitoring
I
submitted
those
I
distributed
them
to
the
group
ahead
of
time.
I
don't
know,
I
think
you
have
them.
If
you
don't,
I
can
print
them.
If
you
guys
want
to
read
them
or
you
want
me
to
read
them,
I
can
read
them
right
now.
A
B
A
That
is
true.
Oh
there
was
one
other
comment
that
had
also
distributed.
I
think
that
everybody
has
received
this,
but
I'm
going
to
I'm
just
going
to
send
them
out
to
everybody
in
the
group
so
that
the
applicants
also
have
them.
One
was
from
a
neighbor's
lawyer
named
decer
or
disarray,
who
was
concerned
about
a
retaining
wall
and
I'll
just
send
those
out
to
the
group
right
now,
so
that
just
to
be
sure
everybody
has
them,
although
I
did
email
them
before
this
meeting.
Thank.
Q
You
very
much
for
the
left
side
of
the
property,
correct
onion,
the
retaining
wall
that
you're
referring
to
is
the
one
on
the
west
side
of
the
property
correct.
Is
that
the
one.
A
G
B
Okay,
so
since
there's
nobody
here
to
speak
and
there's
no
comments
requested
to
be
read,
there's
not
much
of
a
public
hearing
that
doesn't
exist
as
a
public
hearing.
So
that's
fine.
I
think
it's
reasonable
to
just
move
straight
into
design
review.
B
I'm
going
to
open
up
the
floor
for
questions
from
members
of
the
board
comments,
and
then
you
know
if
we
need
to
we
can
we
can
ask
the
applicant
to
share
their
their
presentation
again,
so
we
can
dive
into
that
and
if
there's
no
questions
or
comments,
I'm
just
gonna
go
around
the
room.
N
Sure
I
really
like
the
changes.
I
think
the
benches
are
a
great
addition.
The
rendering
looks
great.
B
Thank
you,
mackenzie.
O
I
also
think
it's
a
really
handsome
building.
I'm
looking
right
now,
but
it'll
probably
be
faster.
If
you
can
point
out
for
me
bicycle
parking
and
at
which
entrance.
Q
Yep,
so
the
the
bicycle
parking
for
the
tenants
actually
will
be
internal.
So
we're
gonna
have
a
storage
room
for
bikes
inside
the
building.
Q
Visitor
bike
parking:
we
can
accommodate
probably
on
that
upper
tier
level.
Here
it
it's
not
shown
now,
but
we
will.
Q
Things
yeah,
so
here
I
am
pointing
on
the
screen,
assuming
you
guys
can
see
it.
You
know
so,
I'm
assuming
on
this
on
this
upper
tier
here
we
can
accommodate.
You
know
some
sort
of
bike
parking
at
this
point.
Yeah,
okay,.
B
Thanks
mackenzie
garrick.
J
So
I
really
like
this-
I
think
it's
a
very
attractive
design,
very
appropriate
for
the
location
seems
like
based
on
some
recent
sales
of
neighboring
properties.
This
is
the
hot
area,
so
a
good
place,
a
good
place
to
invest
so
I'm
all
for
it.
I
think
the
only
question
I
had
as
I
had
asked
last
time,
I
was
just
confused
on
the
calculation
of
square
footage
and
I
got
asked
if
we
could
just
resolve
my
confusion
on
that,
but
other
than
that
you
know
full
speed
ahead.
E
Q
Can
see
so
the
the
basement
floor
is
about
4
100
square
feet,
it's
kind
of
built
into
the
hillside
and
kind
of
the
back
side,
so
all
of
our
units
are
facing
out
to
the
south
and
we've
embedded
kind
of
the
mechanical
spaces
and
storage
and
trash
and
sprinkler
stuff.
In
there
that's
about
4
100
square
feet.
Q
The
upper
floors
typical
is
about
5200
square
feet
up
there,
so
it
totals
out
at
about
24
900
square
feet
for
the
entire
building
and
there's
four
floors
at
the
5
200
square
feet
one
floor
at
the
4100
square
feet.
Q
Yep
nope
and
that's
exactly
so.
Our
rear
yard
right
now
will
be
extending
into
the
rear
yard.
So
two
variances
that
we'll
be
attending
or
we'll
be
pursuing
with
bza
are
a
rear
yard
variants
and
a
lot
area
variants.
The
current
building
right
now
sits
about.
I
think
we
cited
about
four
foot
off
the
4.7
feet
off
the
rear
property
line.
Q
Our
building
right
now,
the
face
of
the
envelope
of
the
building
is
eight
feet,
so
we're
pulling
the
building
back
from
where
the
existing
building
is
currently
on
the
site,
but
we
actually
will
our
balconies,
which
is
on
the
upper
floors.
Sorry,
this
is
the
first
floor,
but
there
are
balconies
on
the
on
the
upper
floors
of
two
three
and
four.
Q
Those
will
effectively
be
five
foot
off
the
rear
property
line
and
they
will
align
no
closer
than
the
lux
next
door
in
there
and
then
our
you
know,
total
block
coverage
will
be
about
66
percent.
B
D
F
B
C
Sure
I
think
this
looks
great
the
material
basis
of
design.
You
sense
is
exciting
and
I
think
it's
a
really
smart
move
to
pull
back
that
retaining
wall
in
front
to
give
relief
to
the
sidewalk.
So
I
think
all
your
changes
have
been
good
for
this
week.
I
really
want
to
see
I
really
want
to
see
the
the
neighboring
properties
in
the
back
of
your
pocket,
there's
some
sections
and
I'm
starting
to
understand
that
there's,
like
maybe
10
or
15
feet
between
the
building
behind
you.
C
So
I
just
am
excited
to
see
what
the
other
sides
look
like.
I
feel,
like
we've
been
getting
the
front
view
for
a
while,
which
is
great
but
yeah.
That's
what
I
would
look
for
next.
C
I
was
just
gonna
say
that's
what
I'm
looking
at
at
home
to
that
sheet
and
I
feel
like
it's
hard
to.
I
mean
I
see
the
you
see
the
section
through
the
building,
but
if,
if
you
can,
I
don't
know
give
us
more
information
than
the
outline
in
some
way.
I
don't
know
if
it's
a
rendering
or
a
bird's
eye
view
or
something
to
really
understand,
maybe
in
3d
how
those
buildings
interact
go
ahead.
G
G
Ask
are
you,
are
you
imagining
a
site
plan,
but
I'm
guessing
maybe
a
site
plan
that
shows
the
outline
of
the
other
buildings
and
dimensions,
their
proximity
and
then
some
site
sections
with
something
like
that
seem
right.
C
C
B
Thanks
emily
cj,
I
realize
that
you
just
joined
us,
but
if
you're
ready
we're
in
design
review
for
228
dryden
road,
if
you
had
any
questions
or
comments.
X
Yeah,
you
probably
already
covered
this
but
really
appreciate
the
inclusion
of
the
funky
piano
for
scale.
It's
a
just
clever
and
the
project
project
looks
really
great.
I
concur
with
emily
about
looking
for
that
3d
view.
Thanks
very
much.
B
Great
thanks,
cj
elizabeth.
B
She
might
have
stepped
away
for
a
second
which
is
fine,
I'll
say
for
my
piece.
I
think
it's
an
attractive
building.
I
think
it
works.
We've
talked
about
the
design
on
this
for
a
while,
and
I
think
it's
come
a
long
way.
You
know
it
it's
a
it's.
It's
a
nice,
it's
a
nice
fit,
I
think,
understanding
the
interactions.
The
adjacent
buildings
as
emily
is
requested
makes
a
lot
of
sense.
B
We
should
take
a
look
at
that
and
either
3d
way
or
the
the
site
plan
variations
mentioned,
and
then
I
think
I
want
to
check
in
with
lisa
to
see.
If
there's
anything,
we
want
to
make
sure
we
get
at
in
this
design
review,
because
if
we,
if
there's
not,
we
might
be
ready
to
wrap
up
for
the
day.
F
Yeah,
I
mean
normally
in
design
review.
We
talk
a
lot
about
the
materials
and
you
know
look
at
all
the
facades
and
the
site
and
landscape,
but
I
think
you
know
it'll
continue
in
future
meetings.
So.
B
Yeah,
I
think
I
think,
we've
given
a
direction
where
what
we
want
to
look
at
next
and
we
have
talked
about
some
of
those
things
in
in
prior
meetings.
So
I
feel
a
level
of
comfort,
but
I
want
to
open
it
up
to
any
members
of
staff
or
board
for
any
questions
or
comments
or
really
anything
that
you
want
to
make
sure.
We
look
at
you
know
in
the
in
the
coming
meetings.
Lisa.
F
I
do
I
mean
I
want
to
reiterate
mitch's,
since
especially
we
heard
that
he
lost
power.
That's
why
he's
gone.
I
do
want
to
reiterate
his
comment
about
really
continuing
to
work
on
the
landscape,
because,
if
you
really
think
about
you
know,
this
is
going
to
feel
like
a
lot
of
concrete
on
the
streets.
We
really
want
to
make
sure
that
that
really
comes
alive,
and
I
want
to
say
I,
like
those.
F
You
know
it's
nice
to
have
this
landscaping
on
the
street
between
the
benches
but
you're
going
to
have
to
have
a
curb
around
that
or
some
protection,
because
people
will
just
walk
right
over
it
and
it'll
be
gone.
So
I
know
that's
a
tiny
detail,
but
it
will
make
a
big
difference
in
how
the
building
ends
up
looking.
F
F
Gene
grace
did
submit
a
comment
that
we'd
like
to
have
addressed
for
the
net
for
as
soon
as
possible.
Really
so
we
can
put
it
into
the
seeker
about.
You
know
that
which
we
actually
always
ask
for
is
the
number
and
size
of
the
trees
to
be
removed,
and
she
said
there
was
one
very
large
tree
on
the
site
that
was
not
slated
for
removal,
but
probably
that
was
an
oversight
because.
D
Oh
okay,
thanks
yeah,
I
was
just
going
to
comment
on
you
know
there
was
the
possibility
to
do
some
climbing
vines
on
the
walls,
because
it's
still
looks
you
know
pretty.
D
Solid
base
that
the
building
is
sitting
on
it
like
I
said,
I
appreciated
the
extent
that
you
did
add
landscape
and
I
really
like
that
part
of
it,
but
keep
going.
If
you
can,
you
know,
add,
add
green
grids
to
those
walls
and
have
vines
climbing
up
them,
so
that
the
appearance
is
that
this
building
sits
on
a
green
plinth
and
not
just
this
big
masonry
composition.
So
that
was
the
only
comment
if
you
can.
H
E
A
I
don't
I
don't
want
to
interrupt,
but
elizabeth
said
she's
been
going
for
a
long
time.
She
requested
a
short
break.
A
B
Yeah,
let's
do
that
it's
8
38,
let's
be
back
here
at
8
43..
Thank
you
very.
M
W
W
B
B
E
I
E
It
should
be
off
okay,
it's
on
my
email.
Now,
do
you
still
see
it.
B
So
we're
a
minute
past
when
we
said
we'd
be
here
so
and
we
do
have
quorums,
we
go
ahead
and
get
started.
All
we
have
to
do
today
is
declare
lead
agency.
So
it's
not
a
heavy
lift,
but
if
you
could
go
ahead
and
give
us
any
updates
on
the
project
and
anything
that
we
should
be
looking
at,
that
would
be
great.
Y
Sure
do
you,
since
this
is
the
first
full
planning
board
meeting.
I
did
a
small
presentation
at
the
prc.
Do
you
want
me
to
do
a
show.
Y
Y
All
right
can
people
see
my
screen,
yes,
okay,
great,
so
the
building
we're
talking
about
is,
it
was
formerly
occupied
by
encodermaw.
We
helped
moving
kodama
out
to
dryden,
and
so
lincoln's
stream
are
looking
to
repurpose
the
building
for
what
we
think
is
an
interesting
project,
it's
in
a
residential
zone,
but
we're
trying
to
incorporate
some
other
features
to
it
too,
to
make
it
interesting
and
so
we'll
see
that
in
a
few
minutes
this
is
the
existing
building
just
to
give
people
a
frame
of
reference.
Y
There's
existing
parking
on
the
north
side
of
the
building,
there's
kind
of
a
gravel
and
some
asphalt
type
on
the
east
side
of
the
building,
and
then
there's
also
existing
parking
on
the
south
side
of
the
building.
Y
We're
going
to
oh
just
to
sort
of
show
you
what
the
existing
building
very
manufacture,
based,
sort
of
building
metal
corrugated,
not
very
interesting,
there's
one
end
of
the
building
and
then
the
other
end
has
some
existing
office
space
in
it,
for
that
was
being
used
by
encoderma,
again
very
manufacturing
sort
of
aesthetic.
Y
So
our
plan
is
to
repurpose
the
building,
not
really
touch
the
footprint
of
it
so
much,
but
try
and
really
spruce
up
the
outside
the
interaction
with
the
street
and
the
road
green
up.
The
parking
lots
a
little
bit,
but
still
utilize
them
for
parking,
get
rid
of
the
asphalt
on
the
east
side
of
the
building.
The
again
there's
there
are
potentially
views
from
the
east
side
out
to
the
inlet
down
to
the
children's
garden
and
places
like
that.
Y
We're
trying
to
kind
of
green
it
up
and
also
give
outdoor
spaces
for
some
of
the
residential
units,
we're
looking
at
short-term
and
long-term
residential
and
that's
what
these
sort
of
deck
areas
would
be
on
the
east
side,
a
larger
deck
area
just
outside
our
our
proposed
conference
space,
the
west
side,
the
street
side
we're
looking
at
a
few
retail
about
six
retail,
currently
retail
spaces
on
the
street
side,
and
then
the
office
space.
Y
Y
Y
Y
But
this
is
the
direction
we're
going
in
wood
on
the
sort
of
lower
portions
corrugated
metal
up
up
top
opening
it
up
with
a
lot
of
glass,
especially
on
the
street
side,
trying
to
create
a
connection
with
the
sidewalk.
You
know
maybe
a
cafes
in
this
retail
space,
we're
not
exactly
sure
who
the
tenants
are
yet
and
then
on
the
back
side,
the
hillside,
the
residential
areas
will,
you
know,
all,
have
decks
and
or
patios
trying
to
really
connect
the
indoor
space
with
the
outdoor
space
and
really
cleaning
it
up.
Y
Currently,
you
know
it
sort
of
was
industrial
use,
it's
where
the
dumpsters
were
and
everything
else,
and
so
we
really
want
to
clean
it
up
and
make
it
more
much
more
inviting
for
the
for
the
people
staying
there,
but
then
also
the
public,
just
a
few
more
shots
of
the
exterior
on
the
residential
side.
Y
The
more
long-term
would
have
a
little
bit
more
space.
Obviously
we'd
like
to
be
able
to
give
them
sort
of
garden
space,
besides
sort
of
an
outdoor
patio
type
area
to
hang
out
in,
and
then
we're
also
talking
about
trying
to
connect
the
path
down
to
sort
of
the
children's
garden
cass
park
area,
the
idea
being
a
using
helical
piles.
Y
So
they're
they're
twisted
into
the
ground
not
pounded
into
the
ground,
but
using
helical
piles
to
minimally
impact
the
hillside,
while
creating
a
boardwalk
style
trail
down
the
hillside,
so
trying
being
sensitive
to
the
hillside
and
the
environment
there,
but
also
create
a
really
nice
connection
between
the
site
and
the
park
space
below,
and
this
would
be
completely
open
to
the
public
as
well.
It's
not
just
for
people
staying
at
you
know
at
the
site,
it's
completely
open
to
all
residents
and
public
in
general,.
B
We
only
have
to
do
the
one
action
tonight,
but
it's
worth
giving
initial
feedback
before
we
do
that.
Let's
go
around
the
room
mackenzie,
I
would
start
with
you.
O
Thank
you.
This
is
my
first
time
really
looking
at
it.
You
know
miss
mailing
and
I'm
so
excited
about
this.
I
really
love
adaptive,
reuse,
it's
so
it's
really
attractive
and
it
seems
really
usable.
I
have
just
a
few
comments
and
questions.
O
O
Maybe
this
is
still
kind
of
a
preliminary
idea,
but
you
know
there
was
a
whole
lot
that
went
into
like
the
like
downtown
meeting
and
conference
space,
and
so
I
would
want
to
make
sure
that
you're
piggybacking
on
like
having
realistic
expectations
about
what
can
be
expected
for
just
you
know
just
outside
of
the
downtown
area,
and
then
I
love
the
the
trail
bridge.
That's
awesome!
O
I
this
this
area.
You
know
because
cliff
street
can
be
like
kind
of
fast,
even
though
it's
right
at
the
edge
of
town
like
signage,
is
one
thing
that
we
want
to
see
like
and-
and
that
relates
to
my
question
around
like
what
cur
there
are
two
existing
crypt
cuts
or
more
and
how
what
will
the
flow
of
like
entrance
and
exits
be
because,
if
you're
adding
a
lot
of,
I
don't
know,
you
know
like,
I
feel
like
the
the
parking
lot
was
never
very
busy.
O
There
wasn't
a
whole
lot
of
traffic,
but
it
sounds
like
this.
This
new
development
would
create
more
ins
and
outs,
and
so
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that,
like
pedestrian
access
and
car
flow
are
all
kind
of
jiving
together,
you
can
speak
to
any
of
those
things
when
we
get
to
the
end
of
the
round
or
not.
I
just
just
the
thoughts
that
I
have,
but
really
really
awesome.
Building
I'm
excited
about
it.
N
Elizabeth
yeah
mckenzie,
I
really
like
the
building
too.
Those
back
decks
are
really
nice
you're
on
a
roll
there
greg
craig
with
designs.
I'm
excited
to
hear
more
about
it.
B
Thank
you,
cj.
X
Yeah
thanks:
this
is
the
first
time
I'm
seeing
it
too.
There's
four
parcels
involved
in
the
in
the
development
is
that
right.
Y
T
Y
Started
discussions
with
different
people
in
the
city,
tim
logan,
jean
grace
and
whatnot,
about
the
path
and
how
that
might
happen.
X
Okay,
great
yeah,
I
love
the
adaptive
reuse
like
to
echo
mackenzie's
comments.
Thanks.
X
D
Yeah
great
great
reuse,
we
talked
about
this
at
prc,
really
nice
project
thanks
for
taking
it
on
and
reusing
that
building
love
the
path
down,
curious
to
know
if
there
will
be
any
views
to
the
inlet
or
beyond
from
those
units
off
the
back
or
if
it's
just
too
much
forested
area,
and
you
can't
see
through
it
and
then
I
had
mentioned
the
curb
cuts
and
safety
issue
about
write-ins,
right
outs,
left
outs
and
the
sort
of
speed
of
traffic
on
cliff
street
there
and
having
those
curb
cuts
so
close
to
the
building
and
being
able
to
see
around
the
corner
of
that
building
and
whether
those
curb
cuts
might
be
rethought
in
terms
of
safety.
C
I
don't
have
much
to
add,
I
think
it's
a
great
project,
high
quality
materials
I
like
that
you're
still
going
for
an
industrial
look,
even
though
you're
repurposing,
the
shell,
it
kind
of
nods
to
the
history
of
it,
and
even
though
it's
maybe
a
recent
history.
But
I
like
the
aesthetic-
and
I
think
all
the
other
points
are
good.
The
safety
of
the
curb
cuts-
and
I
hope
we
can
see
the
connection
to
cass
park
happen
as
well.
J
Gerk
yeah
like
emily,
I
I
don't
have
much
to
add.
I've
been
on
this
board
for
about
a
decade
now,
and
it's
rare
to
find
a
project
that
I
mean.
The
word
that
comes
to
mind
is
delights
me,
it's
just
such
a
clever,
interesting.
You
know
it's
interesting
in
the
architecture
and
the
design,
but
also
in
the
purposing
I
mean
the
the
programming
that's
going
to
go
on
there
and
it's
just
such
a
a
fun
and
whimsical
change
of
use,
so
big
thumbs
up.
B
Excellent,
so
you've
heard
some
comments.
You've
heard
some
enthusiasm.
It
sounded
like
none
of
those
comments
necessarily
had
to
be
addressed
today.
We've
got
a
we've
got
a
whole
process
ahead
of
us,
but
anything
that
you
want
to
respond
to
now
would
be
a
reasonable
time
to
do
so.
G
B
Y
Currently,
the
breakdown
we're
looking
at
six
400
square
foot,
sort
of
short-term
rentals,
six
longer
term
rentals
at
575
square
feet
and
about
six
retail
spaces
that
are
about
650
square
feet,
each
which
could
be
combined
and
mix
to
match,
depending
you
know,
on
the
tenant
for
the
retail
as
far
as
the
traffic
flow,
I
I
just
want
to
say
that
you
know
currently
we're
we're
actually
thinking
that
the
traffic's
not
going
to
be
any
more
than
what
what
in
kotama
had
and
to
be
honest,
there
won't
be
tractor
trailers
coming
and
going
so
in
some
ways,
it'll
probably
be
easier.
Y
Y
The
only
last
thing
I
would
just
want
to
comment
on
is
the
the
views
we're
really
looking
forward
to
and
hoping
for
some
views
there's
a
lot
of
invasive
species
on
the
back
hillside.
Y
So
it's
just
a
matter
of
coordinating
with
gene
grace
and
really
identifying,
which
are
the
main
trees
that
should
go
away
because
they
are
invasive
and
selectively
opening
up
different
spaces
so
that
we
can
capture
sort
of
good
snapshot.
Views
for
for
everybody
really.
B
Thank
you
very
much.
We
do
have
an
action
before
us.
We
should
go
ahead
and
take
that.
Is
there
a
motion
to
declare
lead
agency
on
this
project?
B
I
saw
elizabeth
move
and
garrick
second,
because
we
are
doing
roll
call
votes
on
resolutions.
Now
I
will
do
a
roll
call
vote,
no
discussion
needed
on
the
declaration
of
lead
agency
mckinsey.
Could
I
start
with
you.
H
B
D
I
B
And
I
vote
yes
as
well,
so
you
have
a
lead
agent
on
this
project,
any
other
questions
or
comments
from
board
or
staff
before
we
wrap
up
on
this
for
tonight,.
B
M
B
Alrighty,
so
we
have
a
declaration
of
lead
agency
before
us
tonight
and
a
public
hearing
that
is
not
going
to
be
an
actual
public
hearing,
but
a
period
for
public
comment
before
we
do
that.
If
you
have
anything
to
present
before
the
public
hearing,
we
would
be
excited
to
see
it.
S
Okay,
let's
see
so
hold
on
here,
we
go
share
screen
and
okay,
so.
S
So
I
have
to
share
it
from
here.
Is
that
what
happens?
Let's
see
so
do
I
have?
I
have
to
have
files
open?
Is
that
what
it
is.
S
Okay,
so
I
do
that
here,
first,
okay,
good
hold
on
for
a
sec
and.
S
Okay,
great
so
this
project
is
the
address
of
this
project
in
the
end
will
be
615
and
617
cascadilla
street.
It's
proposed
that
we
take
three
existing
parcels,
combine
them
and
create
a
place
for
four
two
family
dwellings
and
the
accessory
parking
that
would
be
required.
S
S
So
what
we're
considering
doing
is
putting
the
housing
on
cascadilla
street
with
a
pedestrian
sidewalk
that
runs
through
the
center
and
has
each
of
the
four
two
family
dwellings
accessed
off
of
that
central
pedestrian
way,
which
would
also
connect
to
covered
bike
parking,
which
is
actually
you
can
see
my
where
the
little
palm
is,
which
would
also
be
next
to
the
parking
which
would
be
accessed
off
of
north
meadow
street,
the
hold
on
for
a
sec.
B
S
Great
great
okay,
so
now,
oh
there
we
go
new
share
and
this
is
on
my
screen
at
the
moment.
Are
you
seeing
the
elevations.
S
S
I
can
figure
it
out.
I
don't
know
how
to
do
this
so
anyway,
the
the
buildings
along
so
you're
still
so
we
don't
have
there's
nothing
at
all.
There.
S
Yeah,
well,
I
don't
know
it's
it's,
so
if
it's
here
is
it
now,
do
you
see
it.
E
H
S
Okay,
so
so
this.
S
So
in
this
area
this
is
the
cascadilla
street
elevation,
so
there's
a
series
of
three
buildings
that
are,
on
the
left
hand,
side
that
these
are
the
front
elevations
of
they
they're
detached
buildings,
but
they're
of
they're
the
same
floor
plan
each
of
the
three
they
work
off
of
that
central
sidewalk,
the
other
building
that
is
617..
This
is
this
set
of
three
is
615,
a
b
and
c
a
617
which
is
a
narrower
building
and
is
a
little
bit
taller.
S
So
that's
that's
pretty
much
how
this
thing
works.
B
Thank
you
very
much
before
we
move
into.
S
B
So
before
we
move
into
public
hearing,
let's
declare
ourselves
lead
agent
on
this
project.
Is
there
a
motion
to
declare
ourselves?
I
say:
oh
garrick,
move
and
elizabeth.
Second,
no
discussion
needed
we'll
go
ahead
and
go
around
the
room
I'll
start
with
mckenzie.
Yes,
elizabeth.
R
B
And
I
vote
yes
as
well.
You
have
a
lead
agent.
We
don't
need
to
move
public
hearing,
because
this
is
not
an
official
public
hearing,
but
I'll
ask
lisa.
If
there
are
members
of
the
public
wishing
to
speak.
I
B
Well:
okay,
that's
brief!
With
that,
we'll
stop
with
the
non-public
hearing,
go
straight
into
feedback
for
the
project
mckinsey.
Could
I
again
start
with
you.
O
Yeah,
I
really
like
this.
You
know
I
would
love
to
see
you
know:
contextual
elevations,
I
guess
with
neighboring
houses
and
stuff
like
that,
but
in
general
I
think
that
this
looks
like
appropriate
and
attractive.
I
look
forward
to
talking
about
materials
and
things
too,
but
I
think
for
just
like
the
first.
O
For
the
first
view,
I
I
have
positive
reflections
of
it.
So
thank
you.
B
D
Yeah,
I
think
you've
done
a
really
nice
job
of
creating
a
kind
of
interior
space.
That's
really
quite
interesting
and
the
architecture
looks
really
nice.
I'd
love
to
see
some
perspective
views
with
the
building
dropped
into
its
context,
so
from
meadow
street
and
also
from
cascadilla
about
what
this
thing
looks
like
from
from
all
sides.
As
you
would
experience
it
walking
on
a
sidewalk
or
in
a
car,
but
good
start.
B
Thank
you,
garrick.
J
Yeah,
so
I
really
like
this,
I
mean,
I
think
I
think
daniel.
This
is
the
third
project,
at
least
I've
seen
from
you
that
does
a
really
excellent
job
of
finding
underdeveloped
or
undeveloped
parts
of
the
city
and
finding
ways
to
upgrade
them
and
put
in
next.
Actually,
the
fourth
one
I
think
from
you-
a
sort
of
of
this
nature
of
finding
little
blocks
of
underutilized
space
and
putting
housing
in
there,
and
I
appreciate
that
you
know
the
housing's
going
into
walkable
neighborhoods,
it's
a
reasonable
density.
J
So
in
terms
of
the
project,
keeping
with
the
comprehensive
plan,
I
think
it
scores
very
highly
in
terms
of
the
particular
design.
I
don't
know
if
anyone
else
on
the
board
was
around
other
than
mckenzie,
but
the
adjacent
parking
lot.
So
the
parking
lot,
I
guess
just
to
the
north-
is
the
one
that's
kitty
cornered
from
purity,
and
there
is
some
history
to
that
parking
lot.
J
I
see
mckinsey
nadi
because
you
know
in
general
I
I
think
the
design,
the
design
guidelines
for
route
13
discouraged
putting
the
parking
lot
on
the
corner,
and
I
remember
we
had
a
long
debate
about
the
parking
lot
just
to
the
north
of
where
yours
would
go,
and
I
I
think
then
the
conclusion
was
that
it
was
going
to
be
the
best-looking
parking
lot
in
ithaca,
with
lots
of
landscaping
and
so
on,
and
you
know
I
I
think
that's
pretty
much
held
true.
J
I
know
there's
a
lot
of
vegetation
down
there
and
it's
pretty
thick
in
vegetation
anyway.
The
nice
thing
is
that
you
know
what
meadow
street
at
that
point
is
northbound
only,
and
I
think
that
you
have
landscaping
on
what
would
be
the
north
side
of
the
entrance
to
your
parking
lot.
So
I
guess
only
I
would
ask
it's
a
small
thing
is
that
if
you
could
just
kind
of
carry
through
you
know
the
the
high
quality
landscaping
through?
J
What
is
it
that
you
know
five
or
six
feet
where
it
would
be
between
your
parking
lot
and
route
13?
Just
to
since
we
you
know,
we
did
ask
purity
just
a
nice
job
in
the
corner
parking
lot.
We
could
just
extend
kind
of
purity's
landscaping
down
another
five
or
six
feet,
southbound
on
the
edge
of
your
project
and
route
13,
so
it
all
fits
together.
J
J
You
know
a
little
bit
hidden
and
the
nice
thing
is
that,
as
as
people
are
pulling
out
of
the
parking
lot
since
it's
one
way
northbound,
even
if
you
had
pretty
lush
vegetation
on
the
north
side
of
that
parking,
it
wouldn't
be
a
safety
hazard
or
anything,
because
people
would
be
looking
southward
to
see
if
there's
incoming
traffic
so
anyway,
I
think
the
whole
design
works
really
well.
You
know
I
just
I
like
the
way
you've
integrated
everything
together,
so
that
those
are
my
comments.
C
I
didn't
know
the
history
of
that
parking
lot,
because
my
comment
was
going
to
be
I'm
so
glad
you
put
a
parking
lot
facing
route
13..
I
understand
the
rationale
and
I
agree
with
what
garrick
said
to
try
to
make
it
the
most
beautiful
parking
you
can
in
terms
of
planting,
but
I
think
for
the
residents
of
this
pocket.
Neighborhood
you're
creating
you've
done
a
good
job
to
insulate
and
isolate
them
from
route
13.
As
best
you
can-
and
I
really
like
the
green
space
on
the
south
side.
B
Thanks
so
you've
heard,
you
know
a
fair
bit
of
feedback
and
I
think
some
consistent
support
for
the
project.
The
only
thing
I'll
add
is
I
I,
like
the
project
a
great
deal.
I
think
when
I
looked
at
it,
I
felt
like
the
three
buildings
that
were
of
a
peace
and
in
kind
or
maybe
a
little
bit
more
developed
than
the
long
long
thin
building
and
that
long
thin
building
is
going
to
be
super
visible
from
route
13.
B
B
We
already
did
our
zoning
appeals,
which
is
great.
That
brings
us
to
old,
new
business.
I
F
So,
as
you
may
remember,
some
of
you
have
done
this
before
some
of
you,
maybe
not
when
there
is
a
proposal
by
the
ithaca
landmarks.
History,
landmarks,
commission
that
there's
an
expansion
of
a
district
or
a
designation
of
a
new
historic
historic
resource
that,
as
it
goes
to
common
council,
for
a
vote,
that
the
planning
board
prepares
a
report.
So
I
drafted
this
report,
it's
very
again:
it's
very
prescribed
what
it
has
to
cover,
and
so
this
is
the
description
of
the
of
the
the
proposal.
F
This
is
what
the
planning
board's
supposed
to
do
from
the
report.
Let's
talk
about
the
relationship.
The
comprehensive
planet
is
in
a
resident,
mostly
residential,
district
b
b1
as
well,
but
it
really
so
really.
You
know
one
of
the
very
few
recommendations
for
the
comp
plan
that
it
touched
on
was
designation
of
identity,
additional
resources.
So
in
that
way
it
was
consistent
with
the
comp
plan.
F
It's
in
three
zones
that
I
just
wrote
what
their
uses
are
and
and
that
the
expansion
of
the
historic
district
wouldn't
affect
zoning
in
any
way,
public
improvement.
So
that's!
What
is
that
you
know?
Are
there
city
projects
in
that
area?
It's
again
it's
primarily
residential
some
business
area.
So
it's
really
limited
to
sidewalk
construction.
F
F
And
that
is
the
report.
If
you
would
like
to
change
it
or
add
anything
to
it,
please
let
me
know
I'd
like
it
to
be
more.
You
know
the
report
that
the
report
really
doesn't
ask
for
the
board's
opinion
on
whether
it
should
be
designated.
It's
just
ask
for
its
assessment
of
the
the
expansion
under
different
categories,
but
certainly,
if
you
wanted
to
add
a
recommendation
to
extend,
they
were
not
whatever
you
want.
You
could
add
that.
G
J
Yeah,
I
would
just
note-
I
mean
there
was
a
letter
that
came
in
that
I
think
you
know
made
some
good
points,
so
I'm
I'm
agnostic
and
I
think
we
should
be
agnostic
as
to
whether
these
buildings
meet
the
level
of
historic
or
not.
I
believe
leave
that
to
others,
but
in
terms
of
the
relationship
with
the
comprehensive
plan.
J
The
only
thing
I
would
say
is
that
every
time
you
add
a
level
of
bureaucracy
on
the
ability
of
people
to
renovate
improve,
expand
or
otherwise
make
their
property
better,
it
does
sort
of
raise
a
barrier
and
increase
costs,
and
so,
if
we
have
a
goal
as
a
city
to
see
more
housing
and
more
affordable
housing
and
improvement
of
existing
housing.
So
on
that
anything
that
makes
that
a
little
bit
more
difficult,
you
know,
has
potentially
a
little
bit
of
a
negative
effect.
J
I'm
not
saying
this
should
weigh
in
one
way
or
another,
but
I
just
think
it's
worth
noting
that
it
is
putting
an
additional
cost
on
people
improving
their
properties,
a
bureaucratic
cost
of
applying
and
potentially
sometimes
in
order
to
comply
with
historic
district
regulations.
The
cost
of
renovation
and
improvement
could
be
substantially
more
and
certainly
it
does
limit
the
ability
of
people
to
upon
additions
or
additional
floors
or
otherwise
expand
their
property.
So
I
would
just
think
that
should
be
noted.
D
You
know
at
the
same
time,
improvements
of
historic
houses
that
don't
have
guidelines
can
lead
to
detrimental
effects
and
we've
seen
that
a
lot
which
impact
the
historic
nature
of
some
of
our
buildings
and
streets
in
town-
and
I
think
you
know,
I
think,
there's
a
balance
here.
You
have
to
find
you
have
to
strike
a
fight.
You
know
strike
a
balance
and
you're
right.
D
We're
not
really
here
to
dictate
what's
historic
and
what's
not,
but
I
I
want
to
counter
what
you
just
said
garrett
and
say
that
there
are
some
really
detrimental
improvements
over
the
years
that
have
taken
place,
that
really
ruin
good
buildings
and
and
and
that's
a
loss
for
the
city.
So
I
think
there's
a
there's
kind
of
a
nice
goal
behind
this,
but
yeah
more
regulations,
not
necessarily
a
great
thing.
O
No
proposed
edits,
but
yeah
just
to
kind
of
hit
home
that
once
once
historic
resources
are
gone,
they're
gone,
we
can't
get
them
back
and
I
think,
as
ithaca
is
booming
and
there's
lots
of
new
development,
it
feels
wise
and
prudent
to
preserve
and
you
know
create
historic,
designation
and,
as
far
as
regulation
goes
in
my
memory,
I
can't
recall
any
time
that,
like
historic,
designation
truly
stopped
a
project,
I
know
that
it
has
created
speed
bumps
for
some,
but
I
don't
feel
like
it's
ever
made
something
impossible.
O
Maybe
that's
because
things
don't
get
to
us
if
they're
impossible,
but
you
know
what
I
mean
like
I
feel
like.
Ilpc
is
reasonable
to
work
with,
and
the
planning
board
supports
historic
development
and
stuff,
like
that,
I'm
in
favor
of
more
designation.
B
Saying
none,
we
don't
take
a
vote
on
this
right
lisa.
This
just
exists
and
we're
comfortable
with
it.
Well
I
mean,
I
think,
we're
comfortable
with
it.
You
know,
I
appreciate
you
doing
it.
F
So
since
nikki
started
she's
been
you
know,
we've
been
talking
about
different
ways
to
improve
things,
so
I
thought
it
would
might
be
nice
for
you
to
hear
some
of
the
things
that
she's
doing
and
also
your
suggestions
on
things
you
might
think,
are
important.
H
Yeah
suggestions
would
be
very
helpful
yeah,
so
I'm
trying
to
streamline
the
process
a
little
bit
here
internally,
looking
at
creating
timelines
and
tasks,
for
you
know,
intakes
etc
for
the
flow
of
things,
and
also
looking
at
like
creating
a
flowchart
for
projects
of
limited
scope.
H
So
that's
kind
of
internal
for
the
staff
to
make
the
steps
easier
for
the
applicant
thinking
of
creating
resource
resources
for
them
some
extra
resources,
probably
at
the
you
know
the
application
packet,
one
of
which
would
be
for
the
planting
plans,
planting
plant
resources,
so
links
for
invasive
plants,
particularly
in
pompkins
county,
there's,
a
great
resource
for
that
alternatives
for
these
invasive
plants.
So
we're
not
just
giving
them.
H
You
know
don't
plant
these,
but
this
is
what
you
can
plant
instead
and
then
I've
seen
so
far,
some
plants
that
have
bioretention
but
really
no
bio-retention
plants,
so
some
links
really
for
some
bioretention
plants
and
rain
garden
plants
that
people
could
use
in
their
in
their
plants.
Another
thing
that
came
up,
especially
with
this
meeting
from
the
historic
ithaca,
is
also
maybe
making
sure
in
our
list
that
we
are
looking
for.
Maybe
in
the
demolition
plan
weighs
opportunities
to
salvage
materials
in
buildings.
X
H
Tree
ordnance,
looking
at
closing
that
loophole
of
some
developers
and
other
people,
you
know
with
infill,
where
they
can
right
now
clear-cut
properties
and
then
go
ahead
and
apply
for
the
submit
a
site
plan
review
afterwards,
so
really
trying
to
work
on
a
tree
ordinance,
and
that
is
what
I
have
right
now.
If
you
have
any
suggestions,
you
guys
have
been
in
this
longer
for
site,
fan,
review,
streamlining
help,
making
it
easier
for
applicants
or.
B
Sounds
like
a
good
list,
anything
that
leaps
out
at
people
for
for
us
to
add
and,
of
course
we
can
follow
up
in
addition,
as
we
as
we
move
forward
here
together,
absolutely.
C
Emily
at
one
point,
we
talked
about
a
short
list
of
things
that
that
we
could
use
as
a
checklist
but
also
maybe
give
applicants
and
one
was
like
dumpster
enclosures
trash
like
trash
plan,
bike
racks
enclosures
for
the
hvac
on
the
roof.
I
can't
remember
the
rest,
but
yeah.
I
F
I
J
Yeah,
if
we're,
if
we're
are
we
are
we
thinking
of
items
putting
that
list
yeah.
Okay,
when
I
my
number
one
item,
I
think
it's
one
mckinsey
mentions
a
lot
too.
Is
it
would
be
really
really
great?
I
don't
know,
I
don't
know
if
he
can
require
it,
but
I
just
wish
every
applicant
would
talk
to
their
neighbors
before
they
would
come.
J
See
us
just
every
single
time,
and
it
just
seems
to
be
that
they
applicants
always
want
to
think
that
they're
going
to
wait
to
the
last
minute
and
that's
going
to
help
them,
and
I
think
the
opposite
is
true.
You
know
if
they
would
talk
to
the
neighbors
to
begin
with,
they
can
agree
to
disagree,
but
it's
just
like
our
meetings
are
not
the
best
forum
for
applicants
and
neighbors
to
be
discussing
for
the
first
time.
What's
going
on.
F
We
can,
I
mean
we
meet
with
them
before
they
before
they
submit,
and
you
know
we
can
tell
them
that
too.
J
Yeah,
the
problem
is
that
I
mean
this
happens.
Every
single
time
is
by
the
time
the
neighbors
are
contacted,
their
architectural
renderings
and
elevations
being
circulated
and
so
on,
and
so
it
tends
to.
I
mean
how
many
times
rob
have
we
had
a
reaction
where
someone
comes
to
the
first
meeting
of
a
project
to
say
I
just
heard
about
this
two
days
ago.
J
I
mean
it
happens
every
single
time,
and
I
I
just
think
that
that
the
applicants
would
be
better
off
if
there
had
at
least
been
one
meeting,
and
you
know,
and
it's
it's
non-binding.
The
the
applicant
can
disagree
with
every
single
complaint
the
neighbor
has,
but
at
least
we
just
didn't
get
that.
I
just
heard
about
this
yesterday
comment.
B
B
Cj's
hands
up
next
and
I
I
don't
want
to
don't
want
to
delay
that.
But
I'll
say
that
to
me
it.
You
know
if
you're,
a
real
professional
developer.
You're
on
that
right,
like
you,
you've
got
your
ducks
in
a
row
and
it's
just
part
of
you
know
keeping
things
smooth.
So
you
don't
get
surprised
at
these
meetings
and
I
think
that
you
know
in
some
instances
there's
not
that
level
of
professionalism,
and
I
don't
know
how
we
can
say
you
guys.
B
X
Yeah,
so
I
would
concur
with
the
recommendation
that
perhaps
it's
recommended
that
applicants
you
know
reach
out
to
surrounding
properties
informally
and
I
hate
to
really
take
a
contrarian
position
in
this
way.
But
there
are
you
know,
rights
that
people
have
to
be
able
to
apply.
You
know
and
and
there's
some
kind
of
some
history
of
you
know
a
neighbor
that
may
not
be
so.
You
know
neighborly
shall
we
say,
and
perhaps
you
know
talking
to
them.
X
A
B
Hear
that
mitch.
D
I
just
wanted
to
say
that
I'm
really
happy
to
hear
about
the
triordan
ordinance.
That's
great
news-
and
maybe
you
said
this,
but
I
hope
that
it
will
include
requirements
for
developers
who
are
taking
down
large
trees
and
replacing
those
not
with
two
inch
or
even
three
inch
caliper
trees,
but
something
that
is
substantial
enough
to
replace
a
16
inch.
Caliper
60
foot
high.
B
O
Seeing
you
nikki,
for
you,
know,
working
on
all
this
and
taking
her
suggestions.
Something
else
that
I
feel
like
we
ask.
Every
project
is
about,
like
you
know,
affordability
and
tax,
abatements
and
stuff,
and
I
know
that's
not
quite
designed,
but
I
feel
like
I
wish
developers
were
more
transparent
about
that.
It
often
feels
like
they
kind
of
want
to
not
let
us
know
that
they
have
profit-driven
motives.
Development
is
a
business.
O
We
know
that,
but
I
feel
like
for
the
public,
at
least
and
for
us
understanding
like
if
they're
prioritizing,
affordable
units
or
paying
into
the
fund,
how
much
and
how
much
and
and
what
the
rationale
is,
and
if
they're
going
for
tax
payments
or
whatnot.
I
just
think
that
those
things
are
they're
part
of
the
process,
so
I
feel
like
if
we
didn't
have
to
like
dig
for
that
information
and
people
could
just
kind
of
let
us
know
right
away.
That
would
be
really
helpful.
O
C
That's
okay.
I
want
to
start
asking
about
how
each
project
complies
with
the
new
ithaca
green
building
policy,
which
I
believe
goes
into
effect
in
august,
to
receive
a
permit.
Is
that
right.
F
That's
right
so
any
project
that
applies.
You
know,
after
after
the
90
days.
You
know
they
have
to
comply.
So
after
like
august,
whatever
it
was
maybe
the
fourth
of
august,
any
new
projects
that
submit
applications
will
have
to
comply
so
emily.
I
want
to
ask
you
a
question
about
that.
Do
you
mean,
like
I,
don't
see
the
any?
I
don't
see
like
a
role
for
the
planning
board
in
this.
C
C
I
think
that
would
be
useful
for
everybody.
I've
been
reading
up
on
it
because
I
have
to
my
projects
have
to
comply.
H
C
Five
points
or
six
points
as
a
starting
point
to
maybe
jump
into
more
sustainability
materials,
hvac
systems,
everything.
F
That's
a
really
good
question
and
about
this
really
good
point
like
how
can
I
don't
know
what
form
it's
going
to
take
that
they're
going
to
submit
it
to
the
building
division,
but
there
should
be
like
a
a
more
planner
planning
friendly
synopsis
of
what
okay?
How
are
you
going
to
meet
the
building
code.
J
B
B
Brings
us
to
reports,
I
don't
have
anything
as
planning
board
chair
other
than
to
say
I
will
almost
certainly
not
be
here
next
month.
I
will
hopefully
have
a
one
month
old
and
I
really
appreciate
everybody
helping
us.
You
know
get
through
this
meeting
as
efficiently
as
we
did.
You
know
these
zoom
meetings
have
been.
B
You
know,
they've
gone
about
as
well
as
one
could
hope
for
really,
and
you
know
I.
I
really
appreciate
everybody's
help
with
that
bpw
liaison.
B
All
right,
director
of
planning
and
development.