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A
Good
evening
everybody
we
are
already
streaming
on
a
live
stream
on
youtube,
so.
A
We
just
had
some
problems
last
week
with
getting
the
stream
going,
so
we
wanted
to
make
sure
we
were
good.
D
E
A
F
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C
I
A
D
Okay,
well,
it
is
602
and
we
are
all
here,
so
I
guess
we'll
call
this
meeting
to
order.
This
is
the
september
meeting
of
the
city
of
ithaca's
planning
and
development
board.
I
thought
we
could
start
with
introductions
and
if
you
don't
mind
elizabeth
since
you're
in
the
top
left
of
my
screen,
I'd
start
with
you.
D
D
D
One
of
the
things
that
I'm
going
to
try
to
get
out
of
the
way
early
because
I've
been
missing
it
first
thing
and
I've
been
having
to
take
care
of
it
during
the
meeting
is
that
I
will
need
to
recuse
myself
during
project
c
on
our
agenda
tonight.
It's
215
east
state
street
due
to
a
conflict
of
interest
and
mckinsey,
assuming
it's
all
right
with
her
we'll
step
in
his
chair
and
run
the
show
for
that.
We
also
have
two
cornell
projects
on
the
agenda
tonight.
D
A
Oh
elizabeth
said
that
she
has
to
recuse
herself
from
bulge.
D
Great
and
if
that's
all,
then
I
would
open
it
up
for
agenda
review
lisa.
Are
there
any
changes.
C
D
All
right
that
brings
us
to
public
comments,
and
I
understand
that
public
comments
are
going
to
be
a
little
different
tonight
and
I
wondered
lisa
if
you
could
take
the
lead
on
that.
C
Sure
we
have
three
people
who
have
signed
up
to
speak
and
I
have
one
comment
to
read
out
loud,
so
I
could
start.
C
C
So
it's
from
marty,
hiller
board
president
of
project,
growing,
hope
and
resident
of
fall
creek.
It
says
the
terms
of
the
carpenter
circle
pud
state
that
the
project
will
provide
a
permanent
and
improved
space
for
the
community
gardens
and
that
the
applicant
will
work
with
project
growing
hope
to
reconfigure
and
improve
ithaca
community
gardens
and
support
its
establishment
as
a
permanent
site.
The
conditions
of
the
current
proposed
resolution
for
tonight's
planning
board
approval
and
of
the
preliminary
approval
issued
in
may
are
not
sufficient
to
accomplish
that.
C
We
signed
a
non-binding
memorandum
of
understanding
with
the
applicant
on
october
22nd
2019
that
outlines
our
expectations,
but
for
the
re
configuration
of
the
gardens
to
be
complete
and
successful,
those
details
still
need
to
be
fleshed
out,
updated
and
specified
in
a
binding
agreement.
By
leaving
out
the
requirement
for
a
binding
agreement
from
the
conditions
of
tonight's
planning
board
resolution,
the
board
will
be
admitting
a
crucial
component
of
the
comprised
community
benefit.
C
That
admission
needs
to
be
corrected
before
final
approval
of
tonight's
resolution
and
before
it
is
passed
on
to
common
council
for
final
pud
approval,
the
community
gardens
must
be
allowed
to
continue
to
operate
during
phase
one.
We
will
be
completely
surrounded
by
construction,
including
reconstruction
of
the
road,
and
we
need
both
our
access
to
the
gardens
and
our
current
infrastructure
to
be
protected
from
interference
during
the
growing
season
to
correct
these
omissions.
We
have
drafted
two
additional
conditions
and
supporting
whereas
clauses
and
have
requested
that
they
be
added
to
tonight's
resolution.
C
We
have
also
requested
that
a
representative
from
project
growing
hope
be
allowed
into
tonight's
meeting
to
answer
questions
during
the
discussion,
and
I
don't
see
anybody
from.
I
don't
know
if
that's
amenable
to
you,
but
I
don't
see
anybody
from
project
grant
I
mean
when
it
comes
up.
You
can
tell
me
whether
you
want
somebody
to
be
admitted
or
not
sure.
C
N
Speak,
oh
thank
you
for
everyone,
for
let
me
speak.
I'm
speaking.
N
N
Okay,
so
thank
you
for
giving
me
the
time
to
speak
tonight.
I'm
wanted
to
talk
about
the
project
on
hate,
street
and
or
corn.
I
mean
sorry
stay
in
corn.
I
should
have
been
speaking
last
month,
so
I
apologize
for
not
showing
up
to
that
meeting.
I
do
want
to
say
I
really
love
the
design
of
the
project.
I
love
the
project
as
a
whole.
I
think
it's
gonna
be
great
for
the
neighborhood.
N
You
know
I
own
the
property
at
510
state
street
and
507
west
seneca
street.
My
concern
and
what
I
wanted
to
speak
about
was
the
existing
three-story
brick
building
on
the
corner.
There
are
only
three
actual
brick
buildings.
You
know
on
that
several
block,
you
know
area
you
know
and
that
really
helps
with
the
character
of
the
that
area
and
I'm
really
concerned
about
that
building
being
demolished.
N
So
you
know
I
really
wanted
to
voice
my
concern
and
I
I
also
want
to
be
sympathetic
to
the
developers,
because
I
know
that
that's
part
of
their
project
and
I
understand
it's
difficult
to
make
projects
pencil
out.
So
I
was
wondering,
if
there's
some
sort
of
consolation
where,
if
they
decided
not
to
touch
that
building
where
they
could
get
additional,
you
know
building
or
square
footage
in
the
building
that
they
have
right
now.
You
know
whether
that's
through
variance
or
through
a
pud.
N
You
know
the
community
benefit
being
that
this
one
of
these
very
few
buildings
that
we
actually
have
on
state
street
is
protected,
because
I
just
realistically
do
not
see
how
it's
possible
to
actually
save
that
facade.
I
just
you
know
my
my
gut
is
telling
me
that
that's
gonna
end
up
coming
down
and
you're
gonna
get
a
brand
new
building,
and
you
know
no
matter
how
hard
you
try.
You
can't
really
rebuild
you
know
and
replace
that
old
brick.
So
that's
just
and
again
like
I.
I
definitely
want
to
be
sympathetic
to
the
developers.
N
I've
been
in
their
shoes
and
I
don't
want
it
to
impact
their
project
financially.
But
if
there's
a
compromise
where
they
can
get,
you
know
additional
square
footage
in
their
existing
building.
I
would
be
super
supportive
of
that
yeah,
and
that
was
it.
That's
all
I
had
to
say.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
Okay,
as
for
the
other
people
who
had
signed
up
to
speak,
I
just
received
a
message
from
anthony
cosgrove
and
he
said
that
he
will
wait
until
next
month
when
we
hold
the
formal
public
hearing-
and
I
have
not
heard
anything
back
from
mr
elkire
either.
But
he
submitted
comments
in
writing.
D
Okay,
so
lisa,
do
you
want
to
read
those
comments,
or
are
we
done
with
public
comment
for
this
portion.
C
It's
up
to
you,
they
didn't
come
to
speak
to
you
and
they
submitted
written
comments.
So.
D
No,
I
don't
necessarily
need
that.
That's
fine!
We
have
them
in
writing.
Is
there
any
person
wishing
to
respond
to
what
we
heard
in
terms
of
public
comment?
We
do
have
a
board
response
to
public
comment
here
on
the
agenda,
seeing
none
that
brings
us
on
to
the
first
portion
of
the
work
which
is
subdivision
review.
A
C
P
C
P
Hi,
I'm
craig
mosher,
with
stream
collaborative
adam
fishel
with
marathon
engineering,
should
be
joining
us.
We
are
representing
the
owners
at
the
property
at
the
end
of
campbell
ave.
P
This
is
a
subdivision
of
a
5.45
acre
parcel
into
five
building
lots.
They
are
all
single
fit.
The
lots
are
designed
for
single
family
homes
and
I'll,
try
and
share
my
screen
of
the
best
picture
or
drawing
that
we
have
so
far,
so
this
shows
oh
hold
on.
P
So
this
shows
that
in
the
eight
parcels
or
lots
so
we'd
be
coming
off
of
the
existing
campbell
ave
cul-de-sac,
which
is
right
basically,
where
it
crosses
the
old
hector
street
now
and
the
the
arrangement
of
the
the
road
came
out
of
some
discussions
with
tom
parsons
and
being
able
to
meet
his
requirements
for
grading
of
that
road
for
fire
truck
access,
and
then
we
have
the
t
turn
around
at
the
end.
Here
we
went
through
a
zoning
conversation
with
megan
wilson
about
all
the
buildable
lots.
P
So
the
white
portions
that
you
see
is
the
buildable
section
of
each
lot.
The
pink
is
the
setbacks,
essentially
the
hashed
area
around
the
perimeter.
P
We
we
have
been
proposing
a
a
walk
down
sort
of
the
old
hector
street
area,
a
sidewalk,
a
gravel
path,
something
along
those
lines.
I
did
get
noticed
earlier
this
week
that
there
was
at
least
one
neighbor
that
didn't
like
the
idea
of
that.
So
we
thought
it
would
be
a
nice
amenity
for
the
neighborhood,
a
nice
connection,
maybe
down
to
you,
know
79,
but
if
that
doesn't
pan
out
it
doesn't
pan
out
the
bill
each
of
the
building
lots.
P
We
have
the
footprint
that
we
have
on
the
lots
right
now
is
a
reasonably
sized.
It's
about
1700
1700
to
1800
square
foot.
Three
family
house
just
a
prototype
that
we
that
we
sort
of
designed
up
with
a
two-car
garage
just
to
sort
of
illustrate
what
a
typical
three
three
family
or
sorry,
three
bedroom
house
might
look
like
on
each
of
the
sites,
but
we're
not
actually
proposing
to
build
out
any
of
the
sites
at
this
time.
P
The
owner
just
wants
to
separate
it
and
either
you
know,
could
sell
it
as
a
an
approved
subdivision
or
could
sell
each
lot
individually
and
the
houses
may
be
designed
by
us.
They
may
be
designed
by
somebody
else.
We
don't
really
know
so
architecturally
we
don't,
we
weren't
really
getting
into
the
nitty-gritty
of
each
of
them.
Yet
there
are
some
challenges
to
the
site
as
far
as
the
steepness
of
it,
which
led
to
the
the
road
coming
down
through
it
more
than
we
wanted.
P
We
wanted
it
to
sort
of
hug
the
north
side
a
little
bit
more,
but
we
couldn't,
and
because
of
that
we
have
some
bio,
bio
retention
ponds
and
other
grading
that
needs
to
be
dealt
with,
and
we've
started
that
the
preliminary
civil
plans
we
sent
out,
we
sent
the
lisa-
I
don't
know
if
they
actually
got
to
the
board
yet,
but
we're
still
working
on
those
for
this
next
month.
P
D
Great
thank
you
for
the
presentation
so
yeah.
I
might
ask
you
to
unshare
your
screen
just
for
my
ease
of
vision
and
might
given
that
there
has
already
been
pushback
from
the
community
go
ahead
and
go
around
the
room
before
we
take
any
action
on
this.
Although
all
we're
doing
today
is
declaring
lead
agency.
D
If
members
of
the
board
haven't
had
a
chance
to
read
any
of
the
letters
that
we've
gotten,
the
main
issue
was
that
there
was
some
brush
removal
that,
depending
on
whose
version
you
accept
is
reality,
was
a
little
bit
of
brush
hogging
or
bulldozers
going
in
and
scraping
down
to
the
bare
soil,
everything
that
wasn't
a
large
established
tree
now,
of
course,
people
have,
you
know
the
right
to
do
what
they
want
with
their
property,
but
also,
if
you're,
in
an
approvals
process.
D
You
are
not
supposed
to
go
around
the
approvals
process
and
do
work.
That's
not
been
approved.
That
said,
you
know
we're
not
we're
not
here
to
really
litigate
that
we're
really
to
respond
to
the
concerns
of
the
community
and
what
we've
seen
before
us
for
my
piece.
I
think
what
I
see
before
me
is
relatively
unobjectionable
and
I'd
go
around
the
room
and,
if
mitch,
if
it's
all
right
with
you,
I'd
start
with
you.
K
Yeah
we
talked
about
in
project
review
how
this
is
a
change
from
the
previous
project
that
was
proposed,
which
was
micro
units,
I
think
or
small
houses,
which
I
think
was
a
much
better
approach
for
the
site.
It
actually
utilized
the
topography
in
an
interesting
way.
I
think
it
was
a
thoughtful
proposal
and
something
that
would
would
be
a
benefit
to
the
city,
and
I
think
what
we
have
before
us
is
a
typical
subdivision
that
I'm
not
excited
about.
K
I
think
it's
you
know
in
some
ways
it's
a
little
bit
of
sprawl,
it's
continuation
of
single-family
houses
that
does
not
take
advantage
of
the
topography,
cuts
down
trees,
so
I'm
not
thrilled
with
this
project.
But
you
know,
assuming
that
it's
all
according
to
zoning,
then
you
know,
I
think
I
think
it's
fine,
but
otherwise
I
think
it
could
have
been
better.
D
E
Thanks
rob
yeah,
I'm
curious
after
we
do
a
round
to
hear
the
applicant's
response
to
the
letter
we
received.
I
assume
that
you
received
the
same
letter.
We
did
concerning
the
removal
of
an
ecosystem,
and
I
agree
with
mitch
that
this
feels
a
little
bit
more
suburban
and
sprawl-like
than
than
we
saw
before.
E
I
understand
that
we're
we're
only
declaring
lead
agency
tonight,
and
so
we
may
not
be
getting
into
the
weed
so
to
speak
of
of
the
design,
but
I
would
be
curious
to
hear
some
rationale
around
updates
to
it
and
and
if
there's
room
for
us
to
you
know,
make
recommendations
around
how
this
might
fit
in
characteristically
with
the
west
hill
neighborhood
and
be
connecting
point
to
downtown
without
feeling
kind
of
like
its
own
separate
little,
maybe
affluent
neighborhood,
or
something
like
that.
Thanks.
O
L
Yeah,
well,
I
I
live
close
to
here
and
I
think
west
hill
is
a
really
good
place
to
add
housing.
That's
within
the
city
limits
and
it's
still
a
reasonable
walking
distance
to
downtown.
I
live
very
close
by
and
I
can
walk
downtown.
L
So
you
know
the
houses
are
gonna
go
someplace
and
we
can
put
them
here
in
city
limits
in
a
walkable
area,
or
you
know
we
can
let
the
houses
be
built
further
out.
So
I'm
I'm
sympathetic
to
the
comments
it.
You
know
it
does
look
like
a
typical
subdivision
and
does
look
a
little
bit
suburban
or
maybe
sprawling
in
that
sense.
L
On
the
other
hand,
if
we
don't
build
here,
we'd
probably
build
further
out,
and
so
you
know
this
is
better
than
that
but
anyway,
so
I
just
think
in
general
this
is
a
a
good
place,
an
appropriate
place
to
put
houses.
I
understand
that
for
people
in
the
neighborhood,
myself
included
as
one
of
those
it's
it's
nice
to
have
kind
of
a
nature
preserve
you
know
close
by,
but
you
know
this
is
not
an
area
that
is
designated
to
be
a
nature
reserve.
It's
an
area.
L
That's
designated
for
housing,
it's
in
city
limits,
and
so
you
know
it's
unfortunate
to
see
to
see
a
wooded
area
disappear,
but
on
the
other
hand,
I
think
it's
better
to
have
the
houses
here
than
have
them
further
out.
So
I'm
broadly
in
support
of
housing.
Going
here,
there's
two
questions
I
I
had,
but
I
share
the
comments
I
kind
of
like
the
micro
houses
more,
but
you
know
this
is
what
they've
settled
on
the
two
questions
I
had
is
more
from
a
bpw
perspective.
L
What's
and
I
realized
we're
not
approving
this
now,
I'm
just
asking
moving
forward.
What
kind
of
a
range
would
I
be
looking
with
in
the
city
in
terms
of
a
road
is
built?
Who
maintains
it?
Who
plows
it
who
repairs
it,
and
then
I
think
there
was
also
a
mention
of
some
kind
of
pond
to
for
water,
runoff
and
so
on.
I
guess
the
same
question
there.
You
know
who
builds
it,
who
maintains
it
10
years
from
now
needs
repair
who's
responsible
for
that.
So
those
my
questions.
J
Yes,
thank
you.
I
didn't
see
any
elevation
drawings
of
the
houses
or
like
a
sample
house.
Maybe
I
just
missed
it,
but.
J
And
there's
another
question
I
had
and
now
I
can't
recall,
but
what
are
the
lot
sizes
here
they're
like
10
000
square
feet?
I
think
right.
J
Minimum
lot
size
is
ten
000
square
feet,
okay,
and
then
so
is
this
the
is
this
the
most
yield
they
can
get
out
of
this.
I
guess
I
would
ask,
and
then
I'm
just
curious
also
what
the
price
point
is
of
these
just
kind
of
tangentially.
J
D
Thank
you,
emily.
F
Thank
you.
I
share
those
comments.
You
know
I
was
more
excited
about
the
first
project,
but
this
is
what
we're
looking
at
now
I
like
the
idea
of
a
conservation
movement.
I
think
it
goes
a
little
ways
towards
meeting
the
neighbors
if
that's
intended,
to
be
a
wildlife
buffer
or
preserve
the
largest
trees
on
the
site.
So,
as
we
move
forward,
I'm
interested
to
hear
more
about
that
easement.
Q
I
don't
have
much
to
add.
I
think
I
mirror
garrix
comments.
I
think
it's
an
appropriate
use
of
the
parcel
and
would
like
to
hear
more
about
maintenance
of
those
site
features.
D
Excellent,
oh
I
see
I
see
both
members
of
staff,
please
jump
on
in.
B
Maybe
lisa
was
going
to
say
this,
but
we
do
have
a
provision
in
our
subdivision
ordinance
for
for
cluster
subdivision,
which
does
allow
you
smaller
lots
and
more
green
space.
So
to
that
was
to
answer
cj's
question
and
the
other.
Well,
I
guess
you're
going
to
respond
to
the
questions
about
the
removal
of
vegetation
and
typically
when
we
are
in
a
especially
for
a
lot
that
is
so
heavily
vegetated.
B
C
No,
I
just
wanted
to
say
what,
although
yeah,
obviously
that
had
to
be
mentioned.
I
wanted
to
just
say
that
this
is
a
little
bit
different
than
you
know.
Normally,
you
have
two
lots
of
one
lot:
two
lots
of
divisions.
So
in
this
case
this
is
a
kind
of
subdivision
that
you
don't
see
very
often
so
you
will
be
approving
the
layout
of
the
roads,
the
layout
of
the
lots,
the
grading,
the
drainage
and
you
know
doing
a
much
more.
C
You
know
and
you're
doing
everything
but
approving
the
houses,
which
is
why
the
houses
they
will
come
through
separately,
I
guess
or,
however
they're
going
to
come
through
and
if
you
feel
like
you
want
to
see
them,
you
know
you
could
add
that
to
the
approval,
but
so
it's
a
little
different
than
your
regular
subdivisions
and
and
so
far
they
haven't
said
that
you
know
they
haven't
offered
the
road
to
the
city.
D
It's
good
context.
Thank
you.
So
there's
a
bunch
of
questions
for
the
applicant
at
this
point.
You've
heard
questions
about
the
vegetation
removal.
You've
heard
questions
about
maintenance
of
these
features.
Ongoing
you've
heard
questions
about
target
price
points
and
in
any
order
that
you
wish
I'd
love
it.
If
you
took
a
few
minutes
and
walked
us
through
those
responses,
and
then
we
can
declare
the
agency.
P
Okay,
great
yeah,
let
me
see
if
I
can
hit
all
those,
so
we
we
did
offer
the
road
to
the
city.
They
politely
declined.
P
They
don't
want
to
deal
with
the
maintenance
and
whatnot,
so
we
we
would
assume
that
a
homeowners
association
would
take
care
of
the
the
road
maintenance
and
the
storm
water
management
maintenance
would,
whether
it
be
the
ponds
or
the
the
catchment
system.
Re
bioretention
areas,
things
like
that,
the
as
far
as
the
change
in
design
when
we
were
a
lot
of
the
feedback,
I
feel
like
we
got
from
the
original
kind
of
cluster
design,
was
that
it
didn't
really
fit
with
the
neighborhood
there.
P
You
know
which
we
sort
of
came
back
from
you
know,
thinking
about
and
as
we're
redesigning,
we,
you
know
really
did
look
at
the
neighborhood
and,
to
be
honest,
it's
a
lot
of
you
know
two.
You
know
two
three-bedroom
single-family
homes
about
the
same
size
that
we're
proposing
now,
and
so
that's
part
of
the
reason
why
we
kind
of
shifted
to
that
idea.
P
P
The
road
ended
up
being
just
meet
the
grades
for
his
truck
and
the
turn
turning
radiuses
and
everything
else,
there's
no
way
he
would
have
been
able
to
get
in
to
where
we
were
proposing
before
with
the
cluster
subdivision,
and
this
one
we
had
to
expand
the
road
where
we
didn't
want
to
anyway,
just
to
be
able
to
meet
all
the
grades
anyway.
P
As
far
as
the
vegetation,
as
soon
as
I
got
the
notice
of
a
complaint
from
lisa,
I
went
up
to
the
site
and
talked
to
the
home
talked
to
the
land
owner.
My
so
my
understanding
is
he
he
brush-hogged
this
site
three
years
ago,
when
they
were
first
talking
about
potentially
developing
it,
he
used
the
same
equipment
to
brush
hogging
again
this
year.
P
He
was
concerned
about
the
surveyors
being
able
to
get
in
and
access
points
and
from
from
what
I
remember
walking
the
site
before
it
was
brush-hogged
it.
It
was
rose
and
raspberry.
Honeysuckle,
you
know,
I
don't
know
what
I
would
consider
invasive
species
and
as
far
as
I
know,
no,
you
know,
that's
all
he's
done,
no
trees
or
anything
were
touched
and
there
was
no
plan
to
so.
That's
what
I
can
say
about
the
brush
hogging
price
point.
P
It
is
a
difficult
site,
I
mean,
I
think,
we're
talking.
You
know
somewhere
in
the
400
000,
ultimately
for
houses.
But
again
it's
selling
lots.
So
I
don't
know
what
people
will
end
up
actually
building,
but
the
lots
yeah.
So
I
guess
we'll
see
as
far
as
the
actual
price
point
of
the
homes
that
are
being
built
there.
D
Thank
you
very
much
before
we
go
back
around
and
see.
If
there's
any
additional
questions,
we
do
have
a
resolution
before
us.
It's
the
blue
resolution
in
your
packet
that
says
the
declaration
of
lead
agency.
Is
there
a
motion
to
declare
lead
agency
on
this
project.
I
saw
mitch
move
and
I
saw
elizabeth
second
any
discussion
seeing
none
all
those
in
favor
of
declaring
ourselves
lead
agent.
Please
raid
your
hand,
raise
your
hand
cj,
I'm
not
seeing
your
hand
there
you
go
and
that's
unanimous.
D
K
This
isn't
a
question
for
the
applicant
so
much
as
a
question
for
the
board,
but
is
I'm
curious
about
what
the
comprehensive
plan
says
about
west
hill?
I
mean
I
I
want
to
maybe
just
talk
a
little
bit
further
about
carrick's
comments.
You
know,
I
don't
really
see
this
as
the
difference
between
a
subdivision
on
west
hill
versus
farther
out.
I
see
it
as
the
difference
between
a
subdivision
on
west
hill
and
something
closer
in.
K
So
I
think
there
are.
There
are
options,
for
you
know
better
density
and
I-
and
I
would
push
back
a
little
bit
in
terms
that
this
is
walkable
garrick.
I
think
this
is
a
car
oriented
development,
but
but
I
am
curious,
you
know
I
don't
think
many
people
are
going
to
be
walking
downtown
from
that
site
in
the
back
up
the
hill,
but
maybe
you
do,
but
I
think
for
the
most
part,
those
are.
Those
are
homes
with
two
cars,
at
least
so
it's
adding
cars
to
the
roads.
K
C
Well,
actually,
there
is
a
west
hill
master
plan.
That
is
still
you
know,
it
hasn't
been
updated.
So
it's
still
the
plan
that
of
the
day
or,
however,
you
would
say
that
so
I
will.
I
will
forward
you
all
a
copy
of
the
west
hill
master
plan.
I'm
not
exactly
sure
what
it
says
in
terms
of
density.
It
was
written
in
the
90s,
so
it
you
know
probably
doesn't
look
at
it.
B
It's
a
it
as
I
recall
it
was
written
a
long
time
ago.
It's
a
very
suburban
oriented
subdivision
plan
for
most
of
that
hill
for
most
of
west
hill,
so
yeah.
B
But
it
is
definitely
thank
you
for
bringing
that
up,
because
we
we
should
take
a
look
at
it
and
see.
D
K
D
Any
other
questions
or
comments,
mckenzie.
E
Thank
you
yeah.
I
would
just
like
to
ask
the
applicant
in
your
as
you
continue
planning
with
the
property
owners
that
they
consider.
Perhaps
some
kind
of
you
know,
variation
in
housing
type.
400
000
is
a
steep
price
point
that
a
lot
of
people
in
ithaca
cannot
afford,
and
you
know
that
might
not
be
the
goal
of
the
of
the
owners,
but
adding
some
multi-family
units
or
smaller
units
mixing
it
in
having
some
diversity,
I
think,
could
could
help
with
a
lot
of
things
contextually
and
also
with
affordability,.
L
L
It's
certainly
less
walkable
than
a
project
downtown
we'd
all
like
to
see
projects
downtown,
but
for
people
who
are
looking
for
a
sort
of
single
family
home
there's
not
a
lot
of
places
to
build
them
in
in
the
downtown
flats.
This
is
one
of
the
few
areas
where,
if
you're
looking
for
a
single
family
home,
you
can
get
it.
L
You
know
within
the
city
limits,
and
I
agree
it's
a
long
walk,
but
it
is
still
a
walk
and
I
point
out
that
a
route
79
just
about
a
month
ago
had
a
brand
new
sidewalk
installed
all
the
way
up
to
the
city
limits.
And
so
again,
I
guess
you
know
the
question
is:
are
we
gonna
put
single-family
homes
that
are
quasi-walkable
in
city
limits
or
we're
gonna
put
them
in
danby
or
lansing,
or
you
know
truman's
burger?
L
So
I
think
this
is,
you
know,
perhaps
better
than
what
might
be
the
alternative,
but
to
the
to
really
to
maybe
get
more
at
the
question
of
walkability.
If
that
little
old
hector
road
trail
could
be
put
in,
that
would
actually
cut
the
distance
of
a
walk
downtown
quite
a
bit,
it
would
cut.
You
know
you
save
you
about
three
blocks,
going
up
the
hill
and
around
it
onto
campbell,
so
I
would
really
encourage
the
developer
to
try
to
put
that
little
connector
in.
D
Thank
you
any
other
questions
or
comments
all
right.
I
think
that
does
it
for
the
for
today.
Thank
you
to
the
applicant
and
we
will
move
on
to
the
next
project.
Carpenter.
C
Circle,
the
rob
and
the
rest
of
the
planning
board
the
community
gardens
requested
that
someone
be
led
into
the
meeting
to
answer
questions.
If
you
have
any
about
the
community
gardens,
I
don't
know
if
you
do
or
if
you
would
want
to
ask
questions
to
someone
from
the
community
gardens,
but
I
told
them.
I
would
ask
you
that.
D
D
H
Hello,
can
you
hear
me
I
can
we
are
ishibila
kayla.
C
I
don't
see
you
mela
yet
she's
coming
her
in
and
tim.
C
Yeah,
andy,
I
think,
is
he
is.
H
R
Hi
there,
milo
fournier,
with
wooden
planning
and
design
on
behalf
of
the
applicant,
so
hello
again,
it's
nice
to
see
you
all.
Thank
you
for
having
us
here
and
kayla
is
going
to
share
her
screen.
She
just
has
a
couple
of
things
to
kind
of
help,
run
us
and
remind
us
of
all
the
various
things
that
we've
gone
through
with
this.
G
R
Okay,
so
you're
all
really
familiar
with
this
project.
We've
seen
this
so
many
times
before
so,
rather
than
go
through
anything
really
long.
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
you
can
see
how
we
have
addressed
the
various
outstanding
items
that
were
part
of
this.
R
R
You
asked
for
exterior
mechanicals
and
associated
equipment
from
the
rooftop,
so
that
is
for
the
cmc
workshop.
So
there
are
the
plans,
the
drawings
and
a
couple
of
renders
of
what
it
would
look
like
from
one
of
the
upper
floors
of
the
proposed
adjacent
building.
Next.
R
You'd
ask
for
a
submission
of
a
final
landscape
plan.
Clearly
this
is
a
tiny
one.
You
can
see
it,
but
it's
all
in
your
packet.
So
please
let
us
know
if
any
questions
about
that-
and
one
thing
to
to
know
of
is
that
we
did
submit
a
proposal
to
the
dot
for
the
landscape
and
they
were
fine
with
the
plants
that
we've
chosen
after
a
little
bit
of
back
and
forth.
They
wanted
a
little
bit
more
of
a
buffer
between
route,
13
and
the
beginning
of
the
plantings.
R
The
next
item
that
was
outstanding
development
of
the
screening
of
the
parking
decks
and
of
the
west
facing
facades.
So
that's
something
again
that
you've
already
received.
So
here's
a
rendering
of
the
west
side
of
building
b.
R
R
And
then
a
plan
and
schedule
for
the
financing
and
implementation
of
transportation
and
emergency
access
improvements
as
detailed
in
thief
part
three.
So
that's
all
those
changes
that
were
asked
to
be
addressed
with
dot.
So
we've
included
our
phasing
plan
to
meet
the
requirements
in
phase
in
in
part
one
and
phase
one.
R
We
are
looking
at
only
having
access
via
third
street
with
the
phase
two,
including
the
break
and
access,
so
we've
kind
of
split
the
development
of
the
site
into
these
two
phases
so
that
the
the
pieces
of
the
changes
to
transportation
that
we've
been
asked
to
look
at
are
tied
with
phase
two
of
this
plan,
and
that
gives
us
a
little
bit
more
time
because,
as
you
know,
it's
a
complex
project
and
it's
the
city
working
with
us
and
working
with
the
d.o.t
to
figure
out
how
other
things
need
to
change
within
the
city
to
make
the
traffic
impacts.
R
Mitigated
and
then
tdm
plan
we
had
submitted
already
to
you
a
detailed,
descriptive
plan
of
all
the
different
tdm
options.
R
R
The
other
thing
that
came
up
at
the
prc
meeting
is
how
we
are
going
to
be
phasing
this
plan
and
how
the
construction
phasing
is
working.
So
I'm
going
to
hand
this
over
to
just
to
discuss
the
phasing
and
the
construction
phasing.
S
Sure,
thanks
emily
and
good
to
see
everybody
this
evening,
you
know-
obviously,
we've
been
at
this
for
quite
some
time.
We
have
a
couple
of
things
going
on
that
are
quite
complicated,
as
emilia
mentioned
earlier,
primarily
the
break
and
access
process
which
we
are
making
some
good
progress
with
and
moving
through,
but
it's
still
taking
some
time.
S
It's
obviously
the
project
sponsor's
primary
discern
concern
to
get
going
with
the
medical
office
building
for
the
medical
center,
as
well
as
the
affordable
housing
building,
which
is
on
the
excuse
me
northernmost
portion
of
the
site
and
obviously
those
are
two
services
that
are
very
much
in
demand,
which
is
why
we've
broken
it
up
into
these
two
phases
is
our
hope
that
we
can
start
construction
on
these
in
the
fairly
short-term
future.
So
that
is
the
plan
I
do
want
to
point
out.
S
There
was
some
public
comment
with
regards
to
the
community
garden
at
the
beginning
of
the
agenda
this
evening,
and
I
do
want
to
say
that
our
intention
for
the
first
phase
is
to
have
zero
disturbance
to
the
community
garden
as
part
of
this
first
phase
other
than
some
minor
road
improvements.
S
The
road
is
already
there,
but
it
will
be
slightly
improved
as
part
of
our
project
with
respect
to
the
terms
of
the
agreement
between
the
city,
the
community
guardians
and
the
developer
park
grove
all
those
details
are
being
hatched
out
and
we're
pretty
close
to
coming
to
agreement.
But
it
is
our
position
that
you
know
all
those
agreements
will
be
part
of
the
land
transaction,
not
necessarily
have
to
be
part
of
these
site
plan
approvals.
S
But
again
we're
just
we've
been
at
this
for
a
long
time,
we're
very
anxious
to
get
started,
especially
with
the
medical
building
and
the
affordable
housing,
which
has
a
application
pending
with
the
state
currently
so.
Hence
the
reason
for
us
to
break
it
off
in
these
two
phases.
Our
hope
is
that
in
the
very
near
future,
we
will
finalize
the
break
and
access
and
our
agreement
with
the
community
garden
so
that
we
can
expeditiously
move
forward
with
the
second
phase
after
we
get
started
with
the
first
phase.
S
But
for
the
first
phase
again,
we
will
be
utilizing
much
of
the
existing
infrastructure
for
access
at
the
third
street
and
the
existing
signalized
traffic
light,
and
that's
just
the
thought
process.
Behind
the
phasing.
R
There's
nothing
else
that
we
prepared
for
presentation,
but
we
know
there's
a
fairly
lengthy
resolution
in
your
packet
and
there's
a
couple
of
items
up
there
for
discussion.
So
we're
happy
to
enter
that
piece.
D
Got
it
so
you
guys
want
to
talk
conditions
which
is
reasonable
enough
before
we
can
do
that,
we
do
need
to
move
the
resolution.
Is
there
a
motion
for
the
green
resolution
in
your
packet
for
final
site
plan
approval?
I
saw
mckenzie
move.
Is
there
a
second?
I
see
emily.
Second,
we
won't
take
a
vote
for
a
while
yet,
but
we
will
open
it
up
for
discussion
since
the
applicant
went
ahead
and
mentioned
some
conditions
that
they
had
issues
with.
R
There
we
go
all
right,
so
all
the
whereases
are
all
things
that,
as
we
know,
are
kind
of.
Some
of
them
are
historic
in
the
context
of
how
this
program
project
has
kind
of
moved
forward.
The
things
that
we
wanted
to
really
look
at
in
this
is
actually,
after
the
resolved
portion
so
page
five
of
that
resolution.
R
And
let
me
pull
up
mine,
so
I
have
a
copy
of
it
here
and
what
we
really
wanted
to
look
at
is,
let's
see
so
item
number
three
in
before
issuance
of
a
building
permit
for
phase
one.
R
So
it
states
submission
and
approval
of
a
letter
of
commitment,
as
requested
by
the
director
of
planning
and
building,
including
commitment
of
a
surety
for
the
cost
of
the
improvements,
and
so
that's
something
that
we
were
a
little
surprised
to
see
in
the
packet.
I
understand
that
that
in
drafting
this
planning
staff
is
really
looking
at
how
the
city
harbor
approval
was
drafted
because
it
was
under
similar
conditions
with
the
d.o.t
and
and
the
transportation
questions.
R
D
Is
there
any
particular
issue
that
you
want
to
raise
to
it
or
just
a
general,
you
know
reluctance
or
unwillingness
to
go
through
that.
R
Well,
there
we've
never
had
a
discussion
about
what
terms
of
a
surety
would
be
so
there
would
be
we'd
have
to
have
a
discussion.
D
Fair
enough,
I
will
say
that
this
particular
condition
came
out
as
a
compromise.
D
D
That
are
proposed
as
mitigations
for
traffic
related
to
that
project,
and
similarly,
this
project
is
facing
a
similar
sort
of
impediment.
Approval
impediment
from
from
the
state
d.o.t
is
my
understanding
and
rather
than
having
there
as
a
condition,
you
know
waiting
on
common
council
approval
of
a
d.o.t
plan
that
may
or
may
not
happen,
be
the
condition
that
this
was
more
actionable,
that
this
was
something
that
we
could
you
know
have
in
and
have
it
be
something
that
would
allow
you
guys
to
move
forward.
D
I
think
the
the
other
alternative
that
we
could
totally
consider
if
it's
preferable
to
you
guys
is
have
that
condition
that
you
know
the
old
original
condition
about
common
council.
I
don't
know
if
that
sounds
any
better.
I
will
say
that
if
I
were
in
your
position,
that
would
sound
sound
much
worse,
but
I'm
not
you.
H
Okay,
I
think
at
this
point,
leaving
the
language
as
it
is,
makes
sense
to
us.
D
Okay,
well,
that
that's
easy:
are
there
any
other
conditions
that
that
were
problematic?
On
your
end,.
R
I
don't
think
there
was
anything
else
that
we
discussed
at
our
pre-meeting
today
that
that
looked
as
if
it
was
problematic,
only
one
very
minor
thing
after
eleven,
you
have
two
instead
of
twelve,
so
it's
tiny
item
and
then,
let's
see,
oh,
we
read
this
pretty
carefully
and
then
I
know
that
andy
you
brought
up
in
the
next
page
before
issuance
of
building
permit
for
phase
two
of
the
project,
execution
of
a
community
garden,
lease
for
permanent
retention
of
community
gardens.
That's
item,
20.
R
and-
and
that's
always
been
the
intention.
But
one
of
the
questions
I
think
andy
brought
up
is
that
that
lease
would
have
to
be
between
the
city
and
the
community
gardens
not
between
the
applicant
and
the
community
gardens.
So
I
just
wanted
to
be
clear
about
the
responsibilities
there.
D
Sure
that
makes
sense
I
mean.
T
T
R
But
it's
it's
part
of
the
phase
two
before
issuance
of
a
building
permit.
D
T
So
yeah,
I
guess
we're
saying
we
because
we
don't
have
control
over
that,
so
we
can't
really
be
tied
to
something
we
have
no.
D
Yeah,
I
think
that's
a
fair
objection,
so
I've
got
that
marked
down
as
request
to
strike
and.
G
D
D
Great
with
that,
I'm
going
to
go
around
the
room
for
the
board
and
I
see
mckenzie's
hand
already
so
I'll
start
with
you.
If
that's
all
right.
E
I
appreciate
striking
the
lease
because
the
lease
wouldn't
be
between
the
applicant
and
the
community
gardens,
but
I
wonder
if
we
do
want
to
include
language
there,
it's
a
little
bit
tricky
right,
because
we
want
like
how
how
do
we
state
as
a
board
that
we
understand
that
the
jurisdiction
of
the
garden
isn't
under
the
applicant,
but
that
we,
you
know,
really
want
the
city
and
common
council
to
approve
a
pud
that
incorporates
a
lease
with
the
city
for
the
community
garden
and
so
on
and
so
forth.
E
I
mean
maybe
this
isn't
the
right
place
for
it,
but
it
does
seem
like
something
worth
having
on
the
record
and
I'm
not
quite
sure
how
to
say
it,
because
there
are
so
many
varying
parties
involved.
C
I
mean
my
understanding
is
that
it
hasn't
been
100
determined
who
the
parties
of
the
least
will
be.
I
think
that,
as
my
understanding
joanne
correct
me
from
wrong
that
the
applicant
has
to
negotiate
with
the
community
gardens
first
before
the
city
negotiates
with
the
community
gardens.
So
it
is
all
kind
of
connected
and
I
don't
think
you
could
develop
the
phase
two
unless
that
was
in
place.
E
C
So
it's
it
whether
it's
a
condition
of
yours
or
not
it
won't.
It
will
be
somebody's
condition
before
that
gets
any
building
permit
gets
issued.
Would
you
agree
with
that
joanne?
I.
B
Think
that
the
the
agreement
between
the
applicant
and
the
community
gardens
needs
to
be
worked
out,
and
I
think
that
the
city
then
has
to
negotiate
with
community
gardens
about
what
the
agreement
is
for
today
and
what
the
agreement
is
20
years.
30
years
I
mean
we
don't
know
that,
and
that
is
something
that's
between
the
city
and
that's
community
guarded.
So
I
and
to
answer
mckenzie's
question
or
to
address
that
question.
You
could
always
put
awareness
in
here
the
planning
board.
B
It
is
the
hope
of
the
planning
board
that
the
city
will
negotiate.
You
know
a
permanent
solution
or
permanent
location
for
the
community,
gardens
on
city-owned
property
or
something
like
that.
E
R
So
we
already
have
an
mou
agreement
with
the
gardens
and
so
that
never
end
of
understanding-
and
I'm
sure
you
saw
the
letter
from
marty
that
referenced
that
so
we
do
have
a
non-binding
mou
where
we've
laid
out
the
relationship
between
park,
grove,
cmc
and
community
gardens,
and
I
wonder
if
that
piece
would
be
the
piece
that
would
satisfy
them.
H
We
also
have
a
site
plan
that
includes
the
land
transfer
and
we
also
in
the
pud
one
of
the
community
benefits
listed
is
the
garden,
so
I
I
think
that
really
does
pretty
strongly
cover
those
two
pieces.
I
think
awareness
makes
a
lot
of
sense
for
the
board
to
show
their
their
support
for
that
as
well.
D
B
C
C
Happen
simultaneously
and
be
locked
down
simultaneously
yeah
exactly.
D
Mean
it
has
to
happen,
I
mean
I
I
get
that
it
has
to
happen.
It
just
doesn't
make
sense
to
me
that
our
condition
is
on
the
one
part
of
this
long
sequence.
Events
that
the
app
that
the
applicant
doesn't
touch,
it
seems
to
me
like
we
could
put
a
condition
on
one
of
the
parts
the
applicant
does
touch,
whether
that's
transferring
the
land
to
the
city
or
negotiating
something
binding
with
community
gardens.
We
can
do
both.
We
do
either.
D
I
I
almost
don't
care,
but
it
seems
like
a
better
place
to
have
a
condition
than
on
the
lease
between
the
city
and
the
community.
Gardens
is
because,
by
the
time
we
get
there
it's
out
of
the
applicant's
hands,
but
maybe
that's
already
in
there,
and
I
missed
it
because
that's
entirely
possible.
D
No,
I'm
seeing
shaking
heads-
that's
not
in
there
all
right.
So
maybe
it's
time
to
go
around
the
room.
People
can
talk
about
their
feelings
on
the
project.
The
feelings
on
the
resolution
things
that
they
want
changed
or
not
changed
in
this
resolution,
and
we
may
have
to
go
around
a
couple
times
because
there's
a
lot
going
on
here
mitch.
If
it's
all
right,
I'd
start
with
you.
K
O
S
So
it's
not
as
if
we're
at
an
impasse
with
the
state
things
are
moving
forward
which,
when
it
comes
to
the
state,
sometimes
is
in
fact
good
news.
Just
the
idea
of
progress
and
moving
forward.
L
I
don't
have
any
comments
on
actually
the
project
or
or
the
memorandum.
I
don't.
I
don't
know
on
the
memorandum
on
the
project
like
in
the
past.
D
D
Q
D
I
agree
with
that.
Okay,
so
not
a
lot
of
comments,
which
means
maybe
we're
pretty
close
to
a
vote
here.
I
think
we
should
decide
whether
we're
comfortable
just
striking
that
item
20
execution
of
a
community
gardens
lease
and
whether
we
want
to
replace
that
with
just
a
whereas
or
another
condition-
and
I
heard
some
support
for,
whereas
so
that
might
be
where
we
go
and
just
real
quickly.
I'd
like
to
go
back
around
the
room
to
see
you
know
on
that
issues.
D
E
D
Makes
sense
garrick.
D
F
Q
D
All
right,
so
it
sounds
like
we're
heading
towards,
whereas
so
there
was
some
language
mentioned
earlier.
I
think
I
think
joanne
had
a
good
riff
that
was
about
the
nature
of
what
has
to
be
accomplished
in
order
for
a
successful
project
to
take
place
in
terms
of
agreements
between
the
applicant
and
the
community
gardens.
D
I
don't
remember
what
the
details
on
that
were,
but
I
bet
staff
does
I'm
going
to
ask
lisa
if
you
need
any
guidance
from
us
on
how
that,
whereas
should
read
beyond
what
joanne
said
earlier.
C
I
think
from
what
I
understand
or
remember
it
was
about
the
you
know:
planning
board
understands
that
before
the
phase
two
can
be
developed
these
you
know
things
have
to
happen,
so
you
know,
and
then
we
can
list
them
more
than
them
being
conditions
of
again.
I
think
whether
or
not
you
say
it's
a
condition
of
the
building
permit.
C
It
will
de
facto
be
a
condition
of
the
building
permit
because
they
don't
wouldn't
have
site
control
if
they
didn't
have
these
things
in
order,
so
sure,
just
that
you
understand
that
these
things
have
to
be
done
before
you
know
the
police
has
to
be
negotiated
before
with
other
parties
before.
B
B
D
All
right!
Well,
that
seems
reasonable
enough.
I
don't
know
unless
any
member
of
the
board
indicates
to
me.
Otherwise
we
need
to
go
into
that,
whereas
any
further,
since
there
was
so
little
comment
on
the
first
time
around,
I'm
just
going
to
look
for
nods
and
raising
of
hands.
Do
people
have
extra
things
that
they
want
to
say
about
this
project.
Before
we
move
towards
a
vote,
I'm
seeing
shaking
heads
emily.
F
S
Oh
I'm
happy
to
answer,
and
essentially
because
we
are
filtering
out
the
mob
traffic
through
third
street
on
the
very
short
interim
and
that
phase
one
is
complete
and
all
of
our
traffic
does
go
to
third
street
people.
Exiting
out
onto
third
street
would
have
some
longer
delays
until
such
time
that
the
break
and
access,
and
that
curb
cut
is
completed.
S
O
S
Actually
going
to
catch
up
to
the
phase
one
of
the
project
and
that
the
whole
thing
will
more
or
less
be
delivered
and
operational
at
a
very
similar
time,
so
that
any
increased
delay
at
third
street
as
a
result
of
the
phasing
would
be
very
short-term
in
nature.
And
again,
none
of
these
calculations
considerations
even
take
into
account
the
whole.
You
know
new
transportation
world
that
we'll
be
living
in
with
what
we
feel
is
going
to
be
a
greatly
reduced
volume
as
a
result
of
the
whole
copic
thing.
S
So,
yes,
there
will
be
a
slight
increase
in
the
very
short
term,
but
we
feel
that
that
slight
inconvenience
is
far
outweighed
by
the
benefit
of
getting
the
mlb
and
the
affordable
housing.
Starting,
quite
frankly,
are
very
hopeful
and
optimistic
that
that
situation
will
never
actually
materialize,
because
the
rest
of
the
phases
would
have
eventually
catch
up.
Once
we
finalize
the
breaking
access
and
our
community
current
agreement.
D
G
C
I
just
wanted
to
say
that
there
are
three
one,
two
one,
two
four,
whereas
is
on
page
four
that
I
drafted
in
there
as
like
a
framework.
You
can
certainly
change
them
to
kind
of
think
about
this,
but
I
mean
it's
not
a
slight
increase.
It's
it's
significant,
so
you
should
recognize
that
I
mean
don't
try
to
don't
try
to
pretend
it's
not
a
significant
increase,
but
it's
like
what
do
you
want
to
what's
the
trade-off?
So
maybe
you
should
look
at
this
yeah.
S
S
Again,
we
hope
that
it
never
does
in
fact
materialize.
It
certainly
has
been
recognized
by
this
board
by
including
these,
whereas
is-
and
I
think
the
board
has
said
pretty
consistently
all
along
that.
You
know
there
is
a
significant
trade-off
with
all
the
public
benefit
that
comes
from
the
project,
whether
that
bit
is
the
additional
medical
use,
the
affordable
housing,
the
tcat
route,
the
pedestrian
connectivity
and
the
bus
stops
and
everything
that
goes
along
with
it.
So,
but
certainly
we
do
recognize
it,
and
it
is
recognized
in
this
resolution.
D
Thank
you
for
that.
So
I
mean
lisa
makes
a
fair
point
that
this
is
a
significant
change
that,
from
you
know
what
we
had
contemplated
as
far
as
traffic,
but
I
will
say
for
my
piece:
I
am
reasonably
comfortable
with
it.
Given
the
benefits,
especially
the
affordable
housing
coming
online
in
the
first
phase
might
be
worth
going
around
the
room
and
engaging
a
level
of
comfort
on
this,
and
before
I
do
that
emily,
I
think
I
saw
your
hand,
so
I
don't
want
to
skip
that.
F
D
C
O
D
Okay,
is
there
any
other
board
member
wishing
to
speak
to
the
the
traffic
issue,
because
now
would
be
the
time
to
make
yeah
mckinsey.
E
Yeah,
I
mean
I'm
generally
in
support
of
moving
forward
with
voting
on
phase
one,
because
I
think
the
complete
street
and
yeah
the
affordable
units
and
a
downtown
medical
you
know
within
city
limits.
Medical
office
are
really
valuable,
but
I
guess
I
do
want
to
be
really
clear
like
I
always
get,
I'm
just
never
quite
sure.
When
we're
approving
a
project
that's
coming
in
phases,
is
there
a
potential
right?
E
You
know,
if
that's
the
case,
I
think
it's
worth
the
board
just
like
really
understanding
that,
because
I'm
sure
we
we
would
all
applicants
and
all
of
us
we
would
want
something
different
than
just
like
half
of
the
project.
So
I
just
want
to
be
really
clear
about
what
you
know.
What
final
site
plan
approval
really
guarantees
us
knowing
that
there's
this
big
dot,
question
kind
of
hanging
out
there.
S
And
I'll
comment
out
that
quickly,
if
I
can
before
staff,
you
know
without
the
inclusion
of
the
mixed-use
component
and
phase
two,
you
know
the
project
is
not
as
beneficial
to
any
of
the
stakeholders.
The
developer
the
applicant
and
the
owners
included
is
very
important
to
us
that
we
see,
through
the
entire
completion
of
the
project,
we're
very
much
confident
and
committed
to
working
with
the
state
dot
to
making
that
happen.
S
The
real
reason
why
this
thing
got
broken
into
phases
is
not
because
there's
any
doubt
on
our
side
that
we
won't
be
able
to
work
things
out
with
our
access
point,
but
it
really
is
the
urgency
of
the
affordable
housing
and
the
medical
building
and
finding
a
pathway
for
us
to
be
able
to
start
construction
on
that,
and
this
was
really
the
most
logical
way
of
going
about
that.
I
don't
know
if
andy
or
scott
want
to
comment
on
that
any
further,
but
you
know
we're.
S
The
completion
of
the
entire
project
is
paramount
to
our
mission,
our
vision,
our
financial
performance
and
everything
that
goes
along
with
that.
So
this
is
really
a
path
forward
that
we're
very
appreciative
of
everybody.
This
board
included
and
city
staff
of
working
with
us
to
allow
us
to
get
things
off
on
the
right
foot.
D
C
I
mean
that's
always
a
that
is
always
a
when
you
phase
a
project.
That's
could
always
happen.
I
will
say
that
in
this
case
the
city
just
got
a
very
large
grant
to
plan
and
design
changes
to
route
13
that
include
that
intersection
so
and
we're
talking
about
it.
So
I
feel
like
there's
a
lot
to
there's
a
lot
going
on
to
make
that
intersection
happen,
but
of
course
there's
always
that
could
happen.
C
B
No
only
that,
if
they,
if
they
weren't
able
to
move
forward
with
the
second
phase
of
this
project,
they
have
to
return
to
first
of
all
the
planning
board
and
also
to
the
common
council
for
the
planned
unit
development,
because
this
is
all
part
of
that.
So
they
and
it's
doubtful.
You
would
reopen
seeker
because
without
phase
two,
it's
a
lot
less
impactful.
B
But
that's
what
would
have
to
happen
and
they'd
have
to
go
back
through
the
process
to
to
get
approval
for
what
actually
was.
E
D
Thank
you
for
that,
so
that
may
may
do
it
for
discussion.
I
know
that
there
that
there
haven't
been
a
lot
of
hands
or
a
lot
of
folks
jumping
in,
but
I
do
want
to
just
look
for
hands
or
any
signal
from
anybody
that
there's
anything
else
to
say
any
final
comments
and
if
there's
not
I'm
going
to
call
for
a
vote
all
right,
I
think
we're
ready
for
a
vote.
This
is
the
green
resolution
for
final
approval
on
carpenter
circle.
Mixed
use,
development,
all
those
in
favor.
Please
raise
your
hand.
D
T
O
K
Ask
a
question
before
we
shoot
about
the
the
build
grant.
Is
that
what
it's
called
build
grant
yep?
Are
we
gonna
have
a
chance
to
maybe
like
talk
about
that,
a
little
bit
about
what's
included
and
where
the
focus
is.
I
have
some
thoughts
about
it,
but
you
know
I'm
happy
to.
V
C
Yeah
I
mean
we
could
do
it
at
the
special
meeting
next
week
or
I
can
provide
you
with
a
grant.
It
is
a
planning
and
design
grant.
So
the
planning
part
I'm
sure
you
can
be
involved
with
it
and
should
be
involved
with
that.
D
H
C
H
Is
that
you,
the
perfect
architecture
team
with
us?
Okay,.
C
And
there's
171
is
that
bruce
171.
M
Bruce
is
one
four
one:
seven,
okay,
so
bruce
is
not
here
yet
okay.
He
should
be
here
any
minute
while,
while
bruce
is
joining
as
he
is,
I
think
the
last
member
of
our
team
to
join.
We
can
give
a
quick
recap
on
where
we
are
so.
We
submitted
design
updates
for
the
past
september
prc
meeting.
We
gave
copies
of
the
current
site,
landscape
and
civil
drawings.
M
So
we
have
our
legal
consultants
here
from
phillips
little
so
they're
here
to
address
those
and
as
we
look
ahead,
we'll
be
submitting
a
full
design
update
for
all
trades
architecture,
landscape,
civil
for
the
new
building,
the
asteria
building,
as
well
as
the
garage
ahead
of
the
october
prc
meeting.
M
So
we'll
be
able
to
talk
about
more
design,
detail
then,
and
we're
hoping
for
a
consideration
of
preliminary
and
final
approval
in
october,
of
course,
pending
attending
this
meeting
and
also
pending
our
october
bza
meeting
where
we
will
be
requesting
the
variances
that
have
been
discussed.
So
that's
just
a
brief
summary
we're
here
to
talk
with
you
about
the
the
latest
draft
of
the
thief.
So
I'll.
Let
adam
and
matt.
Take
it
away
great.
W
Thank
you
all
right.
Can
everybody
hear
me
yes,
excellent
good
evening,
everyone
pleasure
to
be
here,
adam
walters,
from
philip
slidell
on
behalf
of
the
applicant
also
with
me,
is
matt
fitzgerald,
who
will
cover
some
more
recent
updates
but
high
level.
Obviously
we
were
at
the
prc.
Earlier
this
month
we
discussed
some
updates
to
the
final
environmental
assessment
form.
W
As
I
explained
it.
Prc
part
one
of
the
form
has
been
updated
to
reflect
project
changes
that
have
really
happened
since
the
project
was
initially
applied
for
as
well
as
we
just
really
went
through
carefully
to
make
sure
every
question
was
careful
and
fully
answered
in
terms
of
part
three
again,
as
we
discussed
at
prc,
there
have
been
a
number
of
changes
to
the
part
3
since
the
board
last
reviewed.
It
we've
added
a
lot
of
detail
to
the
project
description.
W
W
We
also,
we
really
went
through
it
carefully
and
just
tried
to
add
additional
information
and
facts
to
the
analysis,
particularly
parking
and
traffic,
which
had
been
kind
of
the
major
concerns.
If
you
will
relative
to
the
project-
and
all
of
that
is
the
the
thief
that
was
updated
in
in
the
latest
package.
W
There
is,
I
understand,
a
an
updated
version
of
part
three
which
you
may
have
received
this
afternoon
and
to
explain
that
and
what
those
changes
are
from
the
version
that
was
in
the
package.
I
am
going
to
hand
it
off
to
my
associate
matt.
X
Thanks
adam,
can
everyone
hear
me?
Okay,
yes
great.
So,
as
adam
said,
there
have
been
some
minor
updates
to
the
thief
part
three
and
all
of
those
are
located
in
the
cloaking
section
of
the
traffic
portion
of
the
analysis.
So,
as
the
planning
board
is
aware,
we've
been
working
with
eric
hathaway
over
the
past
few
weeks.
The
city
transportation
engineer
reviewing
the
document
and
going
over
the
parking
and
traffic
information.
X
X
So
references
to
the
stantec
study
have
been
updated
to
indicate
that
it
has
been
finalized
and
some
of
the
numbers
in
the
inventory
have
been
updated
as
well.
So
you
would
see
minor
changes
in
the
total
number
of
spaces.
The
differentiation
between
garage
versus
on-street
parking
there
have
been
minor
shifts
to
those
numbers
throughout
the
document.
There
have
been
no
changes
to
the
analysis
or
the
conclusions
that
were
previously
reviewed
by
the
planning
board,
so
otherwise
the
document
is
the
same
as
the
planning
board
is
familiar
with.
W
Right
and
what
you
have
overall,
obviously
this
is
a
very
lengthy
part.
Three
you've
probably
seen
some
before,
but
this
one
goes
on
about
26
pages,
so
there
is
a
lot
of
detailed
analysis
from
our
perspective
again,
we
wanted
to
make
sure
the
record
was
clear
that
the
board
had
taken
a
very
hard
look
at
all
potential
adverse
environmental
impacts
associated
with
the
project,
and
we
think
this
part
three
does
that
quite
well.
I
guess
I
know
the
board's
going
to
go
through
it
tonight.
D
Great
thank
you
for
that.
So
we
do
have
the
part
three.
I
believe
the
part
the
version
we
should
be
looking
at
is
the
version
in
your
email
and,
let's
run
through
it.
I
will
say
that
you
know
we
have
definitely
looked
at
this
before.
D
I
don't
know
that
we
have
to
spend
a
ton
of
time
on
it
tonight,
just
because
you
know
we,
I
think
we're
reasonably
comfortable
with
prior
versions
of
this,
and
it
has
ballooned
since
then
and
generally
when
we
have
a
lack
of
comfort
with
one
of
these
documents.
It's
not
because
it
says
too
much,
but
because
we
want
it
to
say
more.
So
I
will
say
I
don't
have
a
lot
of
anxiety
about
this
document
where
it
stands
right
now.
That
said,
we
should.
D
We
should
go
through
it
together
here
and
and
check
to
see
if
there's
any
any
issues
outstanding.
You
know
with
what
we're
looking
at
and
with
that
you
know.
I
have
it
open
on
a
second
screen
over
here
and
I've
gotten.
D
You
know
down
to
the
seventh
page
so
far
since
we
sat
and
and
haven't
seen
anything
that
that
you
know,
needs
attention
or
change,
but
we'll
take
a
couple
minutes
go
through
it
and
again
the
version.
The
current
is
the
version
in
your
email,
not
necessarily
the
version
in
your
packet,
so
you're
going
to
want
to
look
at
the
digital
copy.
D
F
I
have
a
question
about
deliveries
and
loading.
It
looks
like
in
both
places
where
that
appears
on
page
12,
which
is
the
larger
loading
dock
and
then
also
on
11,
which
is
out
front.
It
seems
like
this
has
all
been
resolved.
I
know
this
came
up
several
times
as
a
relationship
with
the
city
and
also
to
the
back
alley.
M
V
So
I'll
I'll
speak
to
that
and
thanks
everyone
for
joining
tonight.
I
was
a
couple
minutes
late,
but
got
on
I'm
actually,
as
you
can
tell
I'm
at
a
at
a
lodge
in
a
state
park
here.
So
the
the
the
delivery
area
and
joint
access
area.
V
We
are
completely
amenable
to
making
sure
that
that
is
available
both
during
the
construction
period
and
when
we
are
done
with
with
construction,
and
we
are
working
with
joanne
at
the
city
to
go
ahead
and
facilitate
a
final
agreement
on
how
we're
going
to
go
about
doing
that
during
construction.
V
Much
like
harold
square
did
in
that
similar
process,
and
so,
as
we
are
going
to
work
through,
and
you
know
detail
out
how
each
of
the
business
owners
can
access
that
space
during
construction,
that's
probably
going
to
be
the
biggest
issue,
and
so
that
is
still.
You
know
that
document
that
agreement
has
not
been
drafted
and
finalized,
but
we
are
committed
to
doing
that.
D
D
J
So
the
the
part
three
also
is
making
a
finding
for
the
special
permit
determination
as
well
for
the
street
level
active
use
overlay
zone.
D
C
C
D
K
Sorry,
I'm
just
comparing
the
the
section
on
parking
on
page
10
with
the
the
last
iteration
that
we
got
in
our
packet
compared
to
the
digital
version
and
there's
a
sentence
there
at
the
bottom
of
the
first
paragraph
in
the
digital
version
that
the
september
22
version
that
says,
the
stantec
study
notes
that
the
green
and
kuga
street
garages
operate
below
capacity
and
that
the
seneca
street
garage
is
estimated
to
approach
capacity
without
exceeding
capacity
and
that
that
was
changed
from
the
version,
the
printed
version
and
I'm,
I
guess,
I'm
just
curious
if
there
are
any
numbers,
specific
numbers
attached
to
what
the
the
extra
capacity
is
at
the
green
and
huge
street
garages.
K
Are
we
talking
about
15
cars
at
peak
hour?
Are
we
talking
about
100?
What's
the
delta
in
there
and
how's
the
parking
going.
G
X
Yeah,
so
you
know
just
to
back
up
just
a
couple
of
steps
as
a
part
of
the
stantec
inventory,
some
of
the
numbers
just
kind
of
cascaded.
So
when
the
overall
parking
changes,
what
you
get
is
you
know
if
you
move
one
number
here,
you
affect
20
numbers
down
the
line,
so
that's
part
of
the
spread,
but
with
respect
to
the
actual
number
of
spaces
that
are
available,
I
have
to
dig
into
you
know
the
exact
breakdown
as
to
where
they
come
from.
X
Some
of
them
come
from
the
existing
seneca
and
cayuga
street
garages,
and
then
some
of
them
are
on
street
parking,
but
the
end
takeaway
and
eric
hathaway.
The
city's
transportation
engineer
also
took
a
look
at
this
and
his
conclusion
was
that
if
you,
you
know,
once
you
remove
green
street
garage,
there's
still
sufficient
capacity
in
the
other
garages,
even
if
you
ignore
on-street
parking.
X
So
you
know
the
numbers
are
detailed
in
the
stantec
report.
So
there's
a
specific
number
you're
looking
for
those
are
certainly
in
there,
and
some
of
them
are
iterated
in
the
eaf
part
three.
But
but
all
that
detail
is
is
explained
and
has
been
carefully
reviewed
by
the
city's
transportation
engineer
as
well.
W
Right
and
that
report
is
available-
I
think
it
came
out
this
late
this
afternoon
in
final
form,
so
in
the
last
72
hours
or
so,
matt
has
become
an
expert
on
parking
in
ithaca
and
capacity
and
inventory,
as
he's
worked
with
stantec
and
eric
to
really
finalize
those
numbers
and
make
sure
that
they
were
really
accurate.
D
V
V
There
today
sits
within
the
10
foot,
rear
yard
setback
completely
and
in
order
to
fit
the
conference
center
functional
requirements
that
we
need
in
the
building
and
the
space
that
we
have,
then
we
had
to
have
that
same
10,
foot,
rear
yard,
setback
included
as
part
of
the
construction
of
the
project,
so
we're
asking
for
variants
for
the
10
foot,
rear
yard
setback
we're
within
maybe
six
to
eight
inches
from
the
property
line,
with
the
face
of
the
building
for
the
first
four
floors
of
the
project.
V
From
that
point
upward
we
have
pulled
the
facade
of
the
building
back
to
be
outside
that
rear
yard
setback.
So
that
is
one
item.
The
second
item
is
a
height
variance
we're
going
12
stories,
which
is
it
by
by
right
in
the
zoning
district.
But
we
have
one
portion
of
that
12th
floor,
which
is
called
the
sky
terrace.
The
sky
terrace
is
in
the
southwest
corner
of
the
building
at
the
very
top
floor.
It's
an
amenity,
a
sort
of
a
community
room
space,
and
we
pop
that
ceiling
up
at
a
couple
of
feet.
V
V
D
All
right,
thank
you
very
much,
so
we're
looking
for
language
on
our
recommendation
to
the
bza
on
these
variances
and
you
know
the
typical
things
that
we
talk
about
are
the
impacts
of
the
project
and
then
the
nature
of
the
variances
in
terms
of
impacts
on
the
project.
We
can
talk
about
the
city's
interest
in
affordable
housing.
We
can
talk
about
the
city's
interest
in
the
conference
center.
What
else
do
we
want
to
talk
about
with
respect
to
this
project
and
these
variances.
C
D
We
could
talk
about
the
constraints
on
the
site
and
the
need
to
waive
this
rear
yard
setback
in
order
to
make
the
core
amenities
of
the
project,
especially
the
conference
center
at
all,
buildable.
V
V
In
that,
in
that
light,
rob
I
would
also
maybe
include
that
we've
done
some
fairly
extensive
visioning
of
what
that
resultant.
Space
on
the
ground
level
will
be.
You
know,
with
some
art,
displays
and
work,
we're
working
directly
with
herald
square
now
on
the
paving
pattern,
coordination
of
how
that
paving
ties
into
what
we're
doing
and
so
there's
a
whole
series
of
things
happening
at
the
ground
level
down
there
that
I
think
we've
enhanced
that
space
a
lot
from
what
it
is
now.
D
Thank
you
for
that
bruce
lisa.
When
I,
when
I
was
mentioning
some
language
earlier,
I
saw
a
big
frown
on
your
part,
so
I
would
check
in
with
you
and
make
sure,
okay
good
my
imagination,
anything
else
from
members
of
staff
or
the
board
about
what
we
would
want
to
include
in
our
recommendation
to
bza.
B
I
think
you
did
mention
this,
but
the
fact
that
the
ground
floor
and
the
con
the
conference
center
has
a
minimum
acceptable
height,
which
is
bruce
remind
me
what
that
is.
It's
because
it's
quite
the
floor-to-ceiling
height
in
the
conference
center
is.
V
V
B
Yeah,
so
I
think
that
should
be
included
in
the
recommendation
just
mentioning
that
those
spaces
were
designed,
for
you
know
a
certain
height,
which
also
makes
the
site
variants
more
acceptable.
D
So
we've
got
a
couple
of
positive
impacts:
we
we
will
talk
about
affordable
housing
and
the
importance,
affordable
housing
and
the
need
for
that
in
the
city
of
ithaca.
We'll
talk
about
the
conference
center.
The
fact
that
city
of
ithaca
has
decided
that
once
a
conference
center
and
a
conference
center
has
to
be
built
a
certain
way
and
that
you
know
it
requires
this
particular
shape
and
including
this
22
feet
and
because
of
the
the
nature
of
what
a
conference
center
has
to
be
things
like
hype,
variances
and
rear
yard.
Variances
make
sense.
V
V
K
I
guess
my
my
thoughts
go
to
the
precedents
that
have
been
set
for
bga
approvals
downtown
and
that
others
have
been
afforded
variances,
similar
variances,
and
that
you
know,
there's
would
be
disappointing
if
the
the
second
developer
or
the
third
developer
in
would
not
be
afforded
similar
approvals.
I
don't
you
know
it's
kind
of
a
negative,
but
I
was
just
wondering
if
that
would
be
something
we
might
want
to
speak
to.
K
B
V
You
know
but
bc.
The
bza
group
did
specifically
say
they
do
look
at
each
project
individually
period,
emily.
F
L
D
L
Yeah
yeah
rob
I
just
want
to
double
down.
I
think
what
emily
said
is
is
really
important,
but
I
wonder
if
we
could.
You
know
lisa
mentioned
this,
but
I
wonder
if
we
could
just
include
the
part
three
or
at
least
reference
page,
seven
of
the
part
three,
because
it
it's
pretty
nicely
laid
out
here
about.
You
know
some
of
the
other
properties
and
then
one
other
thing
is
maybe
just
I
I
don't
know
where,
where
this
comes
from
in
in
the
code,
but
it
must
be
in
there
someplace.
L
But
every
time
I've
heard
the
word
precedent
said
in
the
bza
meeting.
Someone
in
the
bza
will
immediately
say
we
don't
set
precedence.
So
I
would
just
just
not
use
the
word
precedent,
but
maybe
just
point
out
that
nearby
properties
have
received
similar
variances
but
don't
don't
say
we're
precedent,
adam
you're
naughty,
maybe.
C
I
can
also
because
this
is
such
a
big
I
feel
so
chill
we
can.
I
can
draft
the
language
and
we
can
look
at
it
at
the
special
meeting
next
week
and
because
they
don't
meet
until
the
first
second
week
of
october,
so.
V
You
I'm
at
roaring
river
state
park
in
missouri,
it's
about
an
hour
and
a
half
from
our
house.
It's
a
sort
of.
H
V
Trout,
fishing
sort
of
ccc
resort
sort
of
place,
so
wow.
B
V
B
B
D
All
right!
Well,
that
brings
us
to
215
state
street.
I
do
need
to
recuse
myself
due
to
a
conflict,
so
I
will
turn
things
over
to
mckenzie.
Thank
you
very
much.
D
C
Yes,
so
you
were
provided
with
the
draft
report.
You
know
in
the
last.
O
Z
E
AA
Z
E
AB
James
isn't
jeff
in
ithaca
right
now.
G
E
All
right:
well,
we
have
a
pretty
short
topic
this
evening
to
discuss
with
you
all,
which
is
just
your
signage
package
which
we
received.
E
So
maybe,
if
you
want
to
go
through
a
little
bit
of
you
know
what
you're
thinking,
let
us
know
more
specifically
locations
lighting
size
stuff
like
that,
and
then
we'll
hear
some
comments
from
the
board
and
we'll
make
we'll
check
in
with
staff
to
make
sure
that
we're
you
know
within
size
limitations
and
whatnot
or
discuss
what
we
need
to
do.
If
we
aren't
wonderful.
AA
So
we'll
go
through
that,
and
so
just
one
thing
when
you
start
looking
at
the
signs,
you
start
reading
the
names.
Some
of
the
names
are
finalized
and
you'll
see
some
new
names
on
the
building.
So
just
so,
everyone
on
the
planning
board
is
aware
that
ithaca
college
has
signed
a
lease
with
the
rothschild.
It's
like
a
properties
llc
to
take
a
good
portion
of
the
first
floor
and
the
second
floor
where
the
former
massage
school
was
so
when
we,
you
start
seeing
this
in
signage.
AA
Our
floor
plans
are
being
worked
on
by
architects
for
ithaca
college
to
bring
in
their
pa
school,
their
physicians
assistant
school
down
into
the
commons.
So
when
you
see
ithaca
college
on
the
building,
it
is
correct
and
they
will
become
a
tenant
so
that
we
can
officially
announce
that
as
of
today.
So.
O
AA
Z
All
right,
so
the
building
name
currently
for
the
building
is
the
ithacan.
Now
this
might
be
subject
to
change,
but
right
now
the
ownership
is
going
with
the
ithacan,
so
along
east
green
street,
this
signage
used
to
say
signage,
so
we
did
change
it
and
based
on
the
frontage
calculations
per
the
signage
code
requirements,
we
have
204
linear
feet,
so
we're
allowed
1.5
square
feet
per
linear
feet,
so
we're
allowed
366
square
feet
on
east
green
street.
Z
The
rear
facing
the
commons,
where
the
building
science
signage
is
the
ithacan
is
also
there
at
the
top
of
the
parapet.
It's
the
same
size
along
east
green
street,
so
it's
25
square
feet
and
that
overlooks
the
commons
right
at
the
main
entry
along
the
commons,
and
just
so
you
know
the
font
is
still
being
worked
on
from
a
stan,
a
standpoint
of
the
just
the
font
for
the
building
right
now.
Currently,
it's
just
aerial
bulb,
but
we
we
will
be
tweaking
that
and
refining
it
as
we
move
forward.
Z
We
also
have
building
signage
for
exit
entry
along
east
green
street
for
the
parking
as
you
drive
in
and
exit,
and
these
are
just
8.3
square
feet-
square
footage
for
the
exit,
sign
and
12.8
square
feet
for
the
entry
sign.
These
signs
are
face,
lit
led
lights.
Z
They
can
be,
they
will
not
be.
You
know
very
harsh
bright.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
they
are
a
softer
tone
of
led
lighting,
so
we'll
be
working
through
that
so
they're
three
inch
deep
aluminum
returns
with
one
inch
trim
cap,
the
aluminum
will
be
a
dark
bronze
and
the
led,
as
I
said,
will
be
on
the
face
of
the
letter
they
go
to
the
next
sheet.
Z
We
get
along
the
comments,
so
at
the
main
entry
at
the
canopy
ithaca
college
will
have
their
sign
for
the
physicians
assistant
program.
We
will
be
providing
signage
at
the
main
entry
through
the
commons
to
the
other
side.
Graphics
here
for
for
building
graphics,
but
ithaca
college
will
have
this
canopy.
Z
That
sign
is
40
square
feet
and
that
will
be
face
lit
led
just
like
our
building
sign
as
well,
along
east
aurora
street.
Currently
there
is
the
finger
lakes
massage
school.
What
we're
going
to
do
is
replace
that
with
the
ithaca
college
logo,
so
it'll
be
a
one-to-one
swap
and
it'll
be
dark.
Bronze,
just
like
the
current
signage
is
shown
right
now.
Z
The
miller
mayor
sign
that
is
facing
east
aurora
street
right
now
will
will
remain,
and
also
there
is
a
sign
along
the
commons
for
miller,
mayor
right
now.
That
will
be
shifted
over
to
the
center
window
of
the
millimeter
space,
above
because
this
is
where
the
canopy
is
going
to
go.
Z
E
Thank
you.
I
wasn't
calculating
in
my
mind.
Where
are
we
with
limitations?
Are
you
within
the
I
think
you
said
306.
Z
E
Okay,
great,
we
appreciate
that
my
only
other
question
before
we
go
around
the
room
is:
are
your
like
front
facing
led
lights,
dark
sky
lighting
compliant.
Z
That
is
the
plan.
Yes,
just
like
we
talked
about
the
on
the
building
facade,
some
of
those
linear
lightings
that
are
in
the
masonry.
It's
the
same
same
idea,
making
sure
they're
dimmable
to
a
point
so
that
they
are
they
are,
you
know
we're
protecting
them
from
other
from
the
property
line.
G
E
All
right,
let's
just
go
around
the
room
and
feel
free
to
share
thoughts
or
questions
board,
keeping
in
mind
placement
lighting
size
so
on
and
so
forth.
I'll
start
with
you
mitch.
G
J
F
I
think
generally,
it's
a
really
respectful
might
be
the
wrong
word,
but
reasonable
signage
package.
I
don't
see
any
red
flags
for
size
or
lighting.
I
guess
I
would
like
to
see
the
final
font,
but
as
long
as
it's
in
the
same
vein,
I
think
this
is
reasonable
and
good.
Q
I
guess
I
just
have
a
question
about
the
color
temperature
for
the
lighting.
Can
you
just
talk
about
what
your
intent
is
for
that.
Z
The
the
intent
is
to
be
a
softer
white,
not
too
harsh.
I
just
we
just
don't
want
it
to
be
too
bright
and
too
flashy.
It
needs
to
kind
of
blend
in
and
be
a
little
more
respectful
to
the
surrounding
character.
So
yeah.
E
E
Wonderful
and
mitch
you
you
back
and
able
to.
K
Yeah
thanks,
I
think
the
the
I
think
the
college
part
of
this
is
fantastic.
Congratulations
on
that.
That's
a
great
to
have
their
presence
on
the
commons,
I
think,
is
really
wonderful,
and
I
am
the
signage
reflects
that
on
both
both
sides-
the
commons
and
then
on
aurora.
I
I
guess
my
concern
is
the
exit
and
entry
signs.
I
to
be
honest,
I
don't
like
them,
I
think
they're
too
big
and
I
think
front
facade
on
a
main
street
like
green
street,
for
the
building.
K
Z
Okay,
you
know
there's
an
option
to
just
have
a
ground
sign
versus
signage
over
the
entry.
I
think
that's.
Z
Because
I
think
there's
there
are
two
options
there
I
mean
this
is
the
option
we
went
with,
but
we
could
scale
it
back
to
not
be
lit
up
more
of
a
dark
bronze
like
east
like
aurora
street,
but
I
have
to
be
visible
at
night.
So
could
be
more
of
a.
K
I
personally
think
at
ground
level
design
for
that
sign,
which
would
be
better
but
you'd
have
to
ask
the
board
as
well
other
members.
E
Anyone
have
thoughts
on
that
on
maybe
john
bringing
back
some
options.
It
seems
like
possibly
ground
sign,
option
or
smaller
lit
sign.
I
agree
that
lighting
at
night
for
parking
way
finding
is
important,
but
I
agree
with
mitch
that
we
don't
want
it
to
feel
too
car
oriented
emily.
F
I
wonder
if
it
could
be
backlit
instead
of
front
illuminated
the
same
way.
The
main
building
sign
is
that
could
differentiate
it.
You
know,
allow
it
to
be
a
little
bit
receding
on
the
building
but
still
be
safe.
I
feel
like
this
is
going
to
be
difficult
to
know
which
way
is
in
and
out,
and
I'm
just
worried
that
cars
are
going
to
go
the
wrong
way.
Often
I
I
agree
with
mitch
that
we
don't
want
it
to
seem
automobile
forward-facing,
but,
but
I
don't
know,
I
think
safety
is
important
too.
E
Yeah,
I
mean-
and
you
know
with
that
elevation.
I
know
it
still
says
signage
behind
the
tree
as
opposed
to.
But
there
is,
you
know,
there's
there's
a
gradient
of
sizes
there
so
yeah,
I
suppose
play
around
with
that
one,
but
but
otherwise
it
looks
really
good.
I
feel
as
if
we
might
have
lost
everyone
who
was
in
city
hall.
Their
internet
must
have
gone
down
or
something
so
I
can't
ask
staff
right
now
if
they
have
any
feedback,
but
this
I
agree
with
emily
that
this
is
like
a
it's
a.
E
This
is
a
tasteful
package
and
I
don't
see
any
big
red
flags
and
we,
I
think,
if
you
bring
this
back
as
part
of
our
you
know,
final
discussions
around
site
plan,
I'm
sure
we
can
come
to
a
conclusion
pretty
easily
any
any
questions
from
you.
E
E
Good
glad
all
right!
Well
then,
I
think
I
assume
we'll
be
seeing
you
next
month
and
I
think
we're
working
towards
our
approvals
so.
AA
Yeah,
so
the
we
just
have
to
get
through
the
zoning
board
of
appeals
with
the
variances,
and
so
your
previous
folks
who
are
in
looking
for
rear
yard
and
hype
variances
I'll
just
and
I
think,
for
an
email
from
lisa.
She
wanted
to
have
a
conversation
about
tonight,
because
the
zoning
board
of
appeals
really
wanted
to
hear
from
the
planners
that
you
guys
have
looked
at
the
height
of
these
buildings.
So
I
know
people
use
the
word
precedent
or
other
projects
and
each
one.
AA
So
we
really
didn't
do
that,
but
in
our
meeting,
but
they
were
like-
has
have
planners
looked
at
this
at
the
height
of
the
building
that
you
guys
are
proposing
something
that
is
over
140
feet
and
there's
a
benefit
and
we
went
through.
We
got
three
levels
of
parking.
Those
are
fixed
heights
to
make
this
financially
work.
So
after
our
zba
meeting,
I
think
it's
important
both
for
our
project
in
the
scary
project
that
you
know
professional
planners,
the
planning
board,
the
county
planning
board
have
all
looked
at
this
and
you
guys
recognize.
AA
You
know
what
people
are
trying
to
do
and
there
is
a
public
benefit
and
it's
good
for
the
urban
area
because
they
spent
we
spent
like
two
hours
with
them
going
in
circles
and
you
know
have
the
planners.
Both
the
city
staff
and
the
planning
board
really
looked
at
this,
and
we
read
your
entire
resolution
to
them
and
they
were
sort
of
confused
and
they
said
hey.
Can
you
get
some
more
information
and
bring
it
back
to
the
next
meeting?
E
AA
E
G
AA
E
AA
100
we
had
your
full
support.
We
had
the
county
black
planning
board,
full
support
and
they're
like
actually
what
came
is
like
they
were
like.
I
can't
believe,
no
one's
here
in
opposition
and
we're
like
well,
we
really
haven't
had
opposition
all
along
the
way.
We've
tried
to
work
hand
in
glove
with
the
planning
board
with
the
iura,
the
you
know,
the
council
and
they
were
sort
of
flabbergasted
that
no
one
was
there.
E
Opposing
it,
that
is,
it
is
very
rare
that
we
get
that
kind
of
pushback
from
the
board
of
zoning
appeals.
So
it
does
seem
like
it
might
warrant
a
conversation
for
this
board
to
have
later
about
how
to
update
our
language
to
them,
but
yeah.
I
think
that
we,
we
all
maintain
our
our
support
for
you
and
first
dairy,
and
you
know
the
the
downtown
business
district
is
the
place
for
tall
buildings.
E
AB
Okay,
wait
this.
This
is
jared
just
to
reiterate
some
of
james's.
You
know
comments
there,
the
you
know
the
specific
comments
that
the
the
zba
was
referring
to
was.
You
know
they
were
concerned
about
both
height
and
actual
number
of
stories,
even
though
obviously
one
of
our
stories
was
counted,
the
roof
was
being
counted
as
a
story.
I
think
they
had
a
little
bit
of
a
trouble
grasping
some
of
that.
So
I
do
think
you
know
a
gentle
clarification
from
you
know.
AB
The
planning
staff
here
from
you
guys
and
the
planning
staff
is
going
to
is
going
to
go.
Really.
You
know
very
far
away
with
them
just
because
they
were,
they
seemed
to
get
hung
up
on
a
couple
items
that
they
didn't
want
to
make
a
decision
on
and
wanted
some
further
clarification
from
you
guys.
AB
So
we
we
appreciate
all
the
help
you
guys
can
get,
because
it's
kind
of
it's
both
us
anesthesia,
some
of
their
concern
was
you
know
how
it
was
not
that
long
ago
that
the
the
rezoning
was
done
and
a
lot
of
these
practices
were
put
in
so
why?
Why
couldn't
all
of
the
projects
live
within
that?
So
whatever
we
have
osteria
is
going
to
have
the
same
issues.
E
I
was
going
to
say
that
that
there's
I
can
imagine
that
they
might
want
to
see
a
lot
more
projects
fitting
within
recent
rezoning
for
the
central
business
district
before
granting
variances
but
yeah.
We
can
discuss
your
rationale
and
our
support
a
little
bit
more.
E
I'm
sorry
that
staff
isn't
here
to
do
that
right
now,
but
I
don't
know
how
long
we
can
or
if
we
should
wait
for
them,
so
we'll
definitely
discuss
it
at
the
end
of
the
night,
assuming
they're
back,
if
not
we'll,
do
that
by
email
and
are
you
going
to
the
bza
again
in
october.
AA
Yeah,
okay,
so
we're
we're
on
the
agenda
same
evening
as
this
theory,
and
they
just
asked
for
more
information.
They
asked
for
more
information
really
from
like
joey
and
cornish
and
lisa,
who
were
on
the
the
staff
side
and
whoever
was
the
drafter
of
the
ordinance
of
like
hey.
You
know:
how
did
you
come
up
with
this
and
you
know
how
is
everyone
good
with
this?
You
know
so
that
was
their
statement,
so
I
think
there
was.
It
was
like
a
50
50
split
and
they
were
like.
AA
We
just
need
to
have
more
conversation
with
them
from
the
mayor's
office
to
the
iura,
because
we're
like
guys,
we
didn't
come
up
with
this
in
a
vacuum.
We've
gone
from
the
iura
to
the
common
council
to
the
economic
development
committee,
to
the
planning
commission
back
to
the
iura,
but
so
it's
not
like
we
haven't
been
around
for
a
year
and
a
half
talking
about
this.
G
AA
G
AA
E
Either
joanna
or
anya
are
back
well
lisa
I'll,
bring
you
to
speed
that
we
okay.
We
had
a
good
and
brief
conversation
about
about
signage
and
generally,
we
feel
really
good
about
the
package
and
john's
gonna.
Do
some
reworking
of
the
parking
entry
and
exit
signs
to
see
if
ground
level
is
preferable
or
a
little
smaller,
or
something
like
that?
But
then
james
brought
up
that
their
bza
determination
was
tabled
earlier
this
month,
because
the
zoning
board
is
hoping
to
have
more
clarification
around
the
city's
support.
E
James,
do
you
want
to
say
any
more
to
lisa
or
it
seems
like
you
have
there's
an
email
thread
around
it
lisa?
Maybe
you
already
know
what's
going
on.
C
Yeah,
so
the
oh
hansen,
let
me
turn
on
my
camera,
so
it
was
tabled
and
for
various
reasons,
I
think-
and
one
of
the
reasons
not
all
of
the
reasons,
but
one
of
the
reasons
or
one
of
the
things
they
wanted
to
know
was
more
information
and
they
found
the
planning
board's
recommendation
should
be
confusing,
and
now
that
I
look
at
it,
I
see
why
and
I
can
pull
it
up.
C
Actually,
if
you
would
stop
sharing
your
screen
john,
I
can
share
mine
and
I'll
pull
up
your
your
your
my.
C
This
was
the
recommendation
you
see
and
the
confusing
part
was
this
part
to
allow
for
a
smaller
florida
floor
height,
and
that
is
not
correct.
Did
you
explain
that
james.
AA
C
Okay,
so
do
you
want
to
do
you
want
to
bring
up
the
building?
You
know,
I
think
that
section
drawing
that
was
in
your
bza
application
is
really
good.
Do
you
have
that?
I
can
share
my
screen
again.
I.
Z
Z
Z
Z
And
what
we
have
is
a
10
foot
floor
to
floor
height.
We
still
get
a
9
foot
ceiling
in
the
unit,
so
it
feels
good
we're,
not
crunching
it
down
to
an
unlivable
situation
by
any
means.
This
is
going
to
be
quality,
design,
quality,
construction,
quality
living,
that's
the
intent,
and
then
we
go
up
to
level
13
and
level.
14
is
the
roof,
so
from
average
grade
we're
at
142
foot
three
inches
to
the
roof
deck.
So
we're
two
foot
three
over
to
get
to
the
roof.
Z
G
Z
Foot
seven,
so
what
that
does?
Is
you
get
156
feet
from
average
grade
to
that
overrun?
But
as
we've
discussed
in
the
past,
none
of
this
is
perceived
from
ground
level.
It's
not
a
perceived
height
at
all.
It
doesn't
affect
shadows
along
the
commons
or
anything
like
that,
because
it's
such
a
small
perimeter
in
the
center
of
the
building
on
the
roof,
so
the
perceived
height,
is
really
142
feet
with
a
very
minimal
parapet.
C
Z
Z
You
know
on
paper
and
two
dimensions
you
might
be
able
to
start
comparing,
but
from
a
massing
standpoint,
being
two
foot
six
higher
than
the
required
140
feet
to
the
roof.
B
Yeah,
I
I
think
you
need
to
stick
with
the
you
know:
the
reason
that
it
is
high
and
you
need
that
extra
level
is
because
you
are
rebuilding
the
parking
garage
in
the
in
the
eastern
ocean
and
which
the
city
would
have
had
to
afford
the
bill
for
that.
But
it's
been
able
to
be
incorporated
into
your
project
right,
and
so
that
is
what
really
is
adding
to
the
height
and
that's
why
you
need
that
extra
story.
C
AB
Huge
amount
and
one
other
clarification
on
that,
because
obviously
we
did
try
and
present.
You
know
our
case
in
that
to
to
the
zoning
board
in
regards
to
the
need
to
rebuild
the
parking
garage
and
their
response
to
that,
which
you
know,
I
think
was
a
little
misinformed
was
well
that
us,
as
the
development
group,
should
have
known
what
the
conditions
were.
You
know
upon
entering
into
the
agreement
to
go
about
this,
so
we
should
have
known
that
you
know
and
found
a
way
to
stay
within
all
that
which
you
know.
AB
Ultimately,
I
don't
think
anyone
could
have
really
known
the
extent
of
the
parking
garage
deterioration
and,
ultimately,
what
the
ultimate
the
true
cost
was
going
to
be
to
rebuild
that
and
that's
going
to
be
a
very
expensive
rebuild.
Obviously
you
know
there's
going
to
be
agreements
with
the
city.
You
know
to
lease
that
back
and
from
a
cost
perspective,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day
you
know
us
the
development
group
we're
still
committed
to
putting
up
those
dollars
up
front,
so
the
the
bza
was
a
little.
AB
AB
Q
I
appreciate
the
discussion
about
the
parking
and
the
roof,
but
what
I'm
really
concerned
about
now
that
you've
shown
this
section
is:
how
are
you
going
to
get
away
with
only
10
foot
floor
floor
like
and
you're
going
to
have
nine
foot
ceilings?
You
said.
Z
Q
Okay,
yeah
because
I'd
be
concerned
that
this
would
end
up
adding
two
feet
on
each
one
once
you're
at
it.
Z
If
it
was
a
length,
metal
frame,
we'd
have
18
inch
or
20
inch,
deep
trusses
and
that
would
really
affect
the
height.
But
when
you
go
to
concrete
or
composite
concrete
with
steel,
you
really
minimize
that
floor
to
floor
that
floor
thickness,
which
allows
you
to
to
to
get
that
level
of
ten
feet.
Four
to
four,
we
can
communicate
at
least
nine
foot.
AB
Q
E
C
AA
I
think
we
just
need
the
inclusion
of
the
public
benefit
that
the
city
was
going
to
have
to
spend.
You
know,
somewhere
around
seven
and
a
half
to
ten
million
dollars
to
rebuild
the
eastern
section
of
the
parking
garage
they
were
going
to
have
to
purchase
the
rothschild
building
because
to
rebuild
it,
you
can't
have
occupiable
space
underneath
and
the
public
benefit
is.
We
need
this
floor
to
make
it
financially
work
and
our
building
height
variance
is
based
on
the
fact
that
the
first
40
feet
six
inches
or
42
feet.
AA
Six
inches
is
based
on
a
parking
deck
where
the
first
level
in
the
typical
parking
deck
wouldn't
be
20
feet
six
inches
from
ground
to
first
level.
So
we
have
the
height
and
the
floor
is
to
pay
for
the
cost
of
public
parking.
That's
going
to
be
utilized
by
everyone
in
the
commons.
E
Great
thanks
james
any
any
additions
or
descent
from
board
members.
AB
The
the
only
other
piece
I
would
add
on
there
is,
you
know,
obviously
a
strong
recommendation
from
you
guys,
but
that
the
you
guys
have
looked
at
the
massing
and
all
of
that
and
that
the
the
piece
of
it
that
is
you
know
really
exceeding
the
height
limitation
here,
is
not
going
to
cast
any
additional
shadows,
sits
in
the
building.
It's
not
the
entire
story.
It's
really
the
core
that
sits
right
in
the
middle
there,
yeah.
C
H
C
B
We're
also
working
on
a
memo
to
the
bca
that
sort
of
is
explains
the
evolution
of
the
project.
B
With
these
two
large
projects
as
dairy
and
the
remoon
project,
we
realized
that
the
board,
the
bza,
has
been
somewhat
isolated
from
some
of
the
larger
projects
they
haven't
really
been
brought
along,
so
they
don't
know
what
the
evolution
of
it
was
and
how
we
ended
up
where
we
are
so
that
was
sort
of
an
eye-opener
for
us
and
taught
us
that
we
really
need
to
do
better
in
the
future.
So
so
we'll
also
be
preparing
some
background
information.
B
E
Okay,
well,
I
think
that's
it,
then
we,
you
know
we'll
we'll
do
our
best
to
to
prepare
you
for
the
next
meeting,
with
the
zoning
board
and
you've
gotten
good
feedback
on
the
signage
package,
and
I
think
that
that's
all
that
we're
really
looking
to
discuss
tonight,
anything
that
any
of
you
guys
need
before
we
send
you
anyway,.
G
E
Right,
let's,
let's
aim
for
just
a
few
minutes,
get
up
and
stretch
get
a
glass
of
water.
Whatever
you
need
come
back
at
quarter
after
and
hopefully
rob
will
have
returned
and
we
can
invite
the
applicant
team.
E
A
G
A
I
I
sent
a
text
message
to
everybody
on
the
board
and
and
staff
saying.
A
Like
it
was
sorry,
my
my
but
yeah
I
just
I
sent
a
message
saying
sorry:
it
looks
like
everything
just
crashed
to.
Let
them
know
that
the
why
we
all
three
of
us
must
have
disappeared
simultaneously.
G
G
G
A
In
light
of
what
just
happened,
I
just
made
rob
the
co-host
as
well.
In
case
we
have
another.
G
G
B
C
D
D
All
righty
we
certainly
have
quorum
so
that
works
for
me,
so
that
brings
us
to
balch
hall
unless
I'm
wrong.
No,
that
brings
us
to
bulge
hall.
Are
the
applicants
here
or
can
we
let
them
in.
C
D
U
Excellent,
my
name
is
ram
binted,
I'm
the
cornell
project
manager
for
a
ball
chall
renovation
project.
I
think
there's
two
or
three
other
people
that
have
joined
with
me
I'll.
Let
them
introduce
themselves.
AA
Okay,
frank
santelli
with
tg
miller
engineers
and
surveyors.
D
Yeah
tell
us
a
little
bit
about
what
let's
see
we
have
on
our
agenda
window
design
intent.
So
if
you
walk
us
through
that,
please.
U
Sure
so
before
I
get
into
that
the
last
time
we
met,
I
think
it
was
the
end
of
july
and
we
went
through
a
number
of
items
and
did
an
overall
project
overview,
and
at
that
meeting
we
received
we
completed
seeker
and
the
project
received
a
negative
declaration.
U
U
These
are
some
information
that
you've
already
seen
in
the
past,
but
as
a
at
high
level
overview.
You
know
the
project
includes
both
site
work
and
building
renovation
work.
This
is
a
summary
of
everything
that
this
project
involves
with
site,
there's
a
number
of
accessibility
improvements
that
are
being
made,
there's
miscellaneous
sites,
air
repair,
work
and
replacement,
there's
an
overall
storm
water
system
replacement
and
a
general
landscape
renewal
and
a
lot
of
tree
preservation.
U
U
That
includes
overall
energy
improvements.
It
includes
building
system
replacement,
four
new
elevators
being
added
to
the
project
in
order
to
make
the
building
accessible
along
with
that
comes,
the
exterior
wall,
improvement,
added
insulation,
window
replacement,
repairs
to
the
roof,
the
chimney,
and
generally
with
the
interior
layout
changes,
there's
additional
beds
that
are
being
added
to
the
facility.
U
The
proposed
site
modifications
there's
really
no
change.
Since
the
last
time
we
met
the
overall
site.
Modifications
that's
happening
is
really
on
the
southwest
corner
of
the
building,
with
a
few
modifications
that
happen
towards
the
towards
the
east
end
and
the
main
focus
here
being
the
accessible
entry
coming
into
the
building.
U
As
far
as
the
storm
water
system,
this
is
a
slide
that
has
been
presented
in
the
past.
This
is
just
a
general
coordination
slice
that
looks
at
all
of
the
storm
water
replacement,
piping
and
the
soil
disturbance
associated
with
it.
The
only
update
here
is
that
there's
a
little
bit
more
coordination,
that's
taken
place
since
the
last
meeting,
where
we've
been
able
to
reduce
the
scope
slightly,
but
generally,
like
I
mentioned,
the
project
has
already
gone
through
the
sequel
review.
U
This
was
a
coordination
slide
that
was
presented
before
again
related
to
the
the
tree
preservation
and
the
overall
landscape
renewal.
Back
in
july,
when
we
presented
it,
the
arbus
report
hadn't
been
submitted,
and
since
then
I
think
a
report
has
been
submitted.
So
if
you
have
any
questions
on
that,
we
can
certainly
answer
those.
U
The
construction
impact
hasn't
really
changed
since
the
last
meeting.
I
think
the
project
boundary
has
remained
the
same
and
the
staging
areas
have
remained
the
same.
U
The
proposed
building
modifications
still
no
change.
There
are
still
four
new
elevators
being
proposed
to
the
building.
There's
miscellaneous
repairs
to
the
exterior
walls,
chimney,
repairs,
exterior
wall,
insulation,
roof,
repair,
work
and
window
replacement
limestone
surround
gutter
replacement.
These
are
all
items
that
we've
gone
through
before.
U
This
is
a
slide
that
was
presented
before
on
showing
what
the
proposed
dormer
would
look
like.
These
are
the
four
new
dormers
that
are
being
added
to
the
building
because
of
the
four
new
elevators
that
have
a
required
overrun
that
pulls
through
the
roof.
U
Beyond
this,
we've
done
few
more
renderings
for
the
other
dorma
locations,
just
you
haven't
seen
before,
and
just
to
go
back
for
a
minute.
The
unit,
one
two
three
and
four.
This
is
an
image
of
unit
two.
This
is
the
one
that
we
focused
on
in
the
past
because
of
the
view
from
the
jason
historic
district,
the
other
dormers
unit,
one
three
and
four
generally.
U
The
idea
is
to
keep
the
aesthetics
very
similar
to
the
adjacent,
smaller
dormers
that
you
would
see
here
and
these
windows
are
are
fake
windows,
given
that
this
is
an
elevator
shaft,
but
the
general
aesthetic
here
is
that
this
is
a
slightly
enlarged
dormer
with
the
same
cladding.
The
exterior
slate
with
the
wood
surround,
trim
painted
in
a
similar
color
as
the
adjacent
dormer
and
the
roof
profile
is
taking
the
same
cues
of
this
small
dormer
on
the
side.
U
Since
then,
we've
looked
at
slave
samples
and
looked
at
how
the
proposed
slate,
which
are
these
smaller
samples
overlay
on
top
of
the
existing
roof
slate
and
in
general,
our
intent,
is
to
match
the
existing
slate.
So
what
you
see
here
on
the
sides
of
the
dormer,
the
intention
is
to
match
what's
happening
on
the
roof
plate
and
that's
what
this
slide
represents.
D
I
saw
that,
let's
keep
going,
hopefully
they
come.
U
Back
all
right
now
to
windows
in
the
past,
we've
talked
about
the
existing
condition
of
the
windows,
but
we
wanted
to
make
one
clarification
to
that.
So
when
we
talk
about
existing
windows,
the
building
is
composed
of
two
types
of
existing
windows,
and
the
reason
for
that
is,
the
dormers
were
recently
replaced.
U
U
There
is
an
existing
dormer
that
is
being
repaired
and,
along
with
that,
the
window
in
that
dormer
is
being
replaced,
replaced
in
kind
and
there's
some
miscellaneous
glazing,
repairs
and
and
replacements
that
take
place,
but
generally
the
dormers
remain
untouched.
The
scope
of
this
project
is
all
related
to
the
original
steel
windows
that
are
obviously
non-thermally.
Broken
single
pane
glass
with
cayman,
lead
gaming,
and
that's
what's
represented
here
in
all
of
the
orange
rectangles.
U
What
we've
put
together-
and
this
is
ultimately
going
to
translate
into
or
go
into
the
bit
specs
the
way
we're
we're
defining
the
overall
window
performance
spec
is
based
on
these
five
key
categories.
One
is
to
maintain
the
architectural
character
and
what
I
mean
by
that
is
some
of
the
existing
characteristics
of
the
window
that
the
window
is
in.
The
limestone
surround
that
the
window
is
a
casement
window
with
divided
lights,
narrow
frame
and
muntin
pivot
hinges,
in
some
cases,
we're
going
for
concealed
hinges
and
the
custom
color.
U
So
we
know
that
some
of
these
really
define
what
the
characteristics
are
of
the
window
that
we
intend
to
maintain.
But
beyond
this
we
know,
there's
many
lacking
features
that
we
want
to
enhance-
and
this
is
a
summary
of
all
of
those
items
that
are
being
enhanced,
such
as
adding
an
insect
screen
or
continuous
seals
or
improving
the
the
window
operator.
U
U
U
values
that
that
meet
the
energy
code
and
also
the
solar
heat
gain
coefficient
that
meet
the
energy
code,
and
this
should
go
without
saying
in
a
large
project
like
this
there's
a
certain
amount
of
budget
that
gets
allocated
towards
windows
and
we're
given
the
scale
of
this
project
and
the
overall
renovation
of
the
project,
the
full
gut
renovation
and
the
building
system
replacement.
There's
a
small
budget,
that's
being
allocated
towards
window
replacement
and
that's
what
we
are
working
with.
U
And
the
way
in
which
we're
going
about
evaluating
this
before
we
put
any
of
these
manufacturers
in
our
bitspec
is
by
looking
through
all
of
the
product
literature
what's
available
online
and
through
the
product
literatures
from
the
from
these
four
manufacturers
are
general
dimensions
of
these
windows
and
what
those
features
are,
and
this
is
a
representation
that
goody
clancy
has
put
together.
That
shows
what
our
intent
is
for
each
of
these
four
manufacturers,
along
with
the
details
below
and
generally
what
you're
seeing
here,
is
that
not
every
window
has
six
individual
windows.
U
So
if
you
can
picture
for
a
moment
of
the
previous
slide,
with
the
three-dimensional,
axon,
there's
a
whole
range
of
window
types
in
this
project
that,
in
some
cases,
there's
maybe
two
windows
or
three
windows
together.
This
is
an
example
of
a
series
of
windows
that
are
probably
in
a
historic
lounge.
U
The
intent
here
is
to
replace
the
windows
with
one
operable
window
per
bedroom,
when
keeping
all
of
the
other
replacement
windows
has
fixed
windows.
The
advantage
in
doing
this
is
that,
when
going
with
a
fixed
window,
we
have
the
ability
to
keep
the
window
frames
really
small,
and
when
we
go
with
the
casement
window
because
of
the
operator
operator
and
the
window
operator
and
the
frame
and
the
sash
dimensions,
naturally
the
frame
and
the
sas
dimensions
grow.
So
that's
why
you
see
a
difference
here
between
operable
windows
and
a
fixed
window.
U
U
The
overall
depth
of
these
windows
generally
not
relevant,
because
you
don't
really
perceive
that
from
the
exterior,
but
this
is
important
in
terms
of
the
design
because
we're
limited
to
the
limestone
surround
and
what
available
still
dimension.
That's
there
with
the
limestone
surround.
So
this
is
something
that
has
to
be
within
three
and
three
and
a
quarter
inch,
and
that's
really
what
we're
targeting
here
the
month
in
dimensions
matter,
because
we're
trying
to
match
what's
happening
with
the
left,
taming
and
all
of
the
window.
U
U
And
beyond
this
we've
reached
out
to
some
of
the
manufacturers
and
gotten
some
some
of
them
to
install
samples
of
their
window
as
mockups
generally,
the
mockups
that
are
installed
are
not
per
performance,
specs
that
we
have
outlined,
because
we
gave
them
a
very
short
time
frame
to
produce
these
mock-ups
and
in
some
cases
they
were
able
to
meet
the
performance
spec.
In
other
cases,
they
just
said
they
couldn't
and
in
order
for
them
to
meet
it,
it
takes
a
significantly
long
time
and
cost
a
lot
of
money.
U
So,
as
a
team,
we
want
to
be
comfortable
with
any
of
these
windows,
meaning
any
of
these
dimensions
are
what
we
want
to
be
ultimately
comfortable
with
and
want
to
be
assured
by
the
manufacturers
that
they
can
meet.
So
we've
taken
these
mock-ups
and
obviously
you
can
see
all
of
the
markups
here.
These
are
all
the
feedback
we've
given
the
manufacturers
and
gotten
some
responses
back
from
them.
U
One
response
is
this:
window:
manufacturer
diamond
has
been
able
to
show
us
with
some
additional
mockups
that
they've
done
in
their
factory
that
they
can
come
up
with
a
concealed
hinge
and
it
doesn't
change
the
frame
width,
but
these
hinges
that
you
see
on
the
surface
go
away.
Similarly,
graham
window
has
said
that
they
can
come
up
with
a
muntin
profile
that
is
half
inch
wide,
but
in
the
time
frame
that
we
gave
them,
they
were
not
able
to
do
that.
U
These
were
the
two
manufacturers
that
we
were
able
to
get
mockups
installed.
We've
seen
some
small
samples
from
other
manufacturers,
but
generally
our
takeaway
is
that
we
have
a
good
set
of
manufacturers
that
we
can
move
forward
with
in
these
dimensions
that
they're
telling
in
the
product.
Literature
is
customizable
and
they're
able
to
deliver
on
the
details
that
they're
that
they
state
that
they
can
deliver.
U
So
this
is
where
the
project
is
currently
with
the
window
selection,
the
mock-up
started
in
july,
and
you
heard
a
little
bit
about
it
in
the
previous
meeting,
we're
currently
evaluating
these
mock-ups
and
there's
a
lot
of
back
and
forth
that
goes
on
between
the
design
team
and
the
manufacturers
evaluating
and
reviewing
their
details.
U
Ultimately,
we
want
to
include
three
to
four
different
manufacturers
in
the
bitspec
competitively
bidded
as
part
of
the
full
building
renovation
and
when
we
get
the
bids-
and
we
select
the
contractor,
their
bids
will
include
any
one
of
these
manufacturers
that
we
will
not
be
aware
of
on
bid
day.
We
will
become
aware
of
it
once
the
contractor
is
selected,
but
when
we
include
these
three
three
to
four
manufacturers,
we
feel
comfortable
with
any
of
those
manufacturers
being
included
as
long
as
they
meet
the
performance
bet.
That's
what
I
reviewed
before.
U
D
Thank
you
very
much.
I
take
it.
That's
the
the
end
of
the
presentation
great.
So
we
do
have
you
know
preliminary
and
final
before
us
tonight.
D
We
also
have
a
letter
from
brian
mccracken
who's,
the
historic
preservation
planner
for
the
city
of
ithaca,
about
this
project,
and
he
has
been
in
communication
with
the
applicant
and
it
has
in
the
resolution
before
us
a
place
to
insert
some
information
from
brian
as
a
whereas,
so
we
would,
we
would
need
to
consent
to
that
as
a
board
along
the
way
towards
approval
of
this
resolution
before
we
mope
in
discussion,
and
I
won't
move
straight
into
a
vote,
but
before
we
open
discussion,
perhaps
we
could
get
a
motion
for
the
resolution.
D
Is
there
a
motion
for
preliminary
and
final
approval
on
this
project?
I
see
emily.
Is
there
a
second
I
see
mitch,
and
so
now
we
have.
The
resolution
moved
with
that
I'd
like
to
go
around
the
room,
get
responses
from
what
we've
seen
today,
the
project
in
general,
anything
that
brian
said
in
his
letter
and
general
feelings
going
into
potentially
a
vote
emily.
Could
I
start
with
you.
F
All
right,
thank
you.
A
lot
about
windows
I
feel
comfortable
with
you
know
everything.
The
applicant
said
that
they're
doing
working
with
these
manufacturers
to
develop
a
performance
spec
and
I
think
what
brian
said
is
spot
on
as
long
as
they're
working
together
and
we
have
that
in
a
whereas
I
think
the
project
I
feel
comfortable
moving
the
project
forward.
J
Yes,
thanks
for
being
responsive
to
city,
historic
preservation,
comments
and
appreciate
the
hard
work
on
the
project.
Thank
you.
E
Thanks
yeah
everything's,
looking
good
to
me,
I
echo
that
I'm
really
happy
you'll
be
working
more
closely
with
brian.
It
feels
a
little
like
premature
to
me
to
be
voting
on
final
approval
hearing.
You
say
that
you're
going
to
continue
working
on
designs
through
the
winter,
but
I
do
trust
that
working
with
a
city
preservation
planner
will,
you
know,
keep
you
steered
in
the
right
direction
and
I
feel
good
about
all
the
complete
designs
that
we
are.
You
know
voting
on
tonight.
L
Yeah,
I
would
just
echo
the
comments
of
my
colleagues
and
say
by
the
way
I
I've
learned
a
lot
about
windows.
D
Thank
you
mitch
to
mckenzie's
comment
I'll.
Ask
you
lisa.
Is
it
unusual
for
us
to
be
moving
into
final,
given
where
we
are
in
this
design
process.
C
Well,
I
mean
ram
what
you're
talking
about
with
design
is,
is
like
design
like
construction
drawings
right
and
like
the
final
design
of
the
windows
and
how
right
that's?
That's
the
design
you're
talking
about
right.
U
Very
detailed,
well
yeah,
I
think
we're
talking
about
the
level
of
detail.
That's
not
it's
construction
documents,
level
right
right
and
the
design
is
really
to
to
confirm
that
these
manufacturers
can
meet
the
performance
stuff.
C
U
C
G
D
C
So
brian
said
I
had
a
question
for
the
app
that
brian
said
in
his
email
that
he
was
going
to
work
with
you
through
the
bidding
process.
Do
you
agree
with
that
statement?
I'll
continue
to
work
with.
U
Yeah,
I
agree
with
that.
I
think
what
brian's
comments
were
really
on
par
with
everything
that
we
were
doing
and
I
think
he
put,
he
actually
pointed
out
a
couple
of
things
that
we
would
have
eventually
looked
at,
but
it
was
really
good
to
get
that
feedback.
C
So
as
an
alternative
to
adding
what
brian
said
in
the,
whereas
you
could
just
say
as
a
condition
if
the
applicant
would
agree
to
it
or
if
you
that
mean
or
not,
that
brian
continues
to
work
with
them,
that
last
statement
in
advisory
capacity
until
bid
documents
are
finalized
and
published.
D
So
I
think,
adding
that,
as
a
condition
makes
a
lot
of
sense.
I
think
that's
stronger
than
aware,
as
and
and
basically
speaks
to
the
same
thing,
any
other
questions
or
comments
from
board
or
staff.
D
Seeing
none
are
we
comfortable
moving
towards
a
vote,
I'm
seeing
some
nods
all
right,
I'm
seeing
a
preponderance
of
nods,
we're
moving
towards
a
vote
all
those
in
favor
of
preliminary
and
final
approval
for
this
project
of
box
hall.
Please
raise
your
hand
and
it
looks
like
that
is
unanimous.
You
have
your
final
approval.
Congratulations.
U
D
D
D
Great,
so
we
have
design
review
on
the
agenda
tonight
and
if
you
would
introduce
yourself
and
take
it
away.
Y
Peter
dugo,
with
arnold
realty,
I
think
marissa's
gonna
pull
up
her
screen
and
eric
can
take
the
presentation
away.
Thank
you.
AC
I
think
one
of
the
most
important
things
that
we
was
a
driving
force
in
the
initial
design
was
that
of
all
the
existing
structures
on
the
site.
Only
in
the
corner
building
was
deemed
worthy
of
reservation
and
the
driver
of
our
whole
design
was
to
keep
the
old
facade
salvage
materials
and
preserve
history.
AC
We
will
be
painting
the
brick
a
lighter
color
than
previously
proposed
in
response
to
earlier
comments
from
the
city
to
celebrate
this
old
building.
We
step
back
our
new
construction
above
the
setback
forms
a
transition
between
our
five-story
development
and
the
three-story
building
across
north
corn
street,
when
viewed
from
west
state
mlk
street.
The
development
will
have
more
density
on
the
east
side,
which
is
closer
to
the
greater
density
of
the
buildings
to
our
east.
AC
Our
desire
to
save
the
old
facade
has
significant
plan
implications.
We
will
be
preserving
the
space
between
the
existing
south
facade
and
the
sidewalk.
Our
plan
includes
lowering
this
raised
terrace
down
the
street
level.
This
move
will
create
a
semi-public
transition
zone
between
the
sidewalk
and
our
apartment,
building
and
many
of
the
areas
inside.
AC
AC
AC
Our
facade
composition
includes
a
field
of
dark
metal
panels
and
windows
set
in
front
of
that
are
brick.
Rectangular
forms
the
brick
sections
more
literally
note
the
site's
industrial
past,
with
their
added
muntins
and
their
abstract
coinus
expression,
a
decorative
hoist
beam,
punctuates
the
main
entrance
and
provides
a
structural
support
for
the
canopy
below
the
brick
elements,
help
break
up
the
horizontality
of
the
facade,
giving
it
a
more
vertical
expression
in
correcting
the
proportions.
AC
AC
AC
AC
AC
Recommendations
from
the
ithaca
landmarks
preservation
commission
will
be
incorporated,
they
asked
us,
could
we
go
back
to
the
previous
exhibit
for
a
minute,
please
yeah,
so
on
the
historic
building?
AC
Next
to
the
alley
there
there's
a
hoist
beam
that
they
asked
us
to
preserve,
and
we
intend
to
do
that
and
then
also
the
window
at
the
lowest
level
near
the
alley
is
a
little
larger
than
the
existing
opening
and
they
asked
us
to
go
back
to
the
size
of
the
original
opening
and
it's
our
intention
to
also
move
forward
with
that
recommendation,
and
then
another
element
of
the
proposal
is
that
the
loading
is
supposed
to
be
in
a
way
in
an
area.
AC
That's
not
readily
visible
from
the
street
and
we
recessed
it
way
back
in
the
back
part
of
the
alley
that
you
can
see.
From
this
perspective,
we
are
going
to
preserve
existing
trees
where
possible
and
the
roof
consistent
is
consistent
with
overall
designs
of
flat
roofs
in
the
neighborhood
on
the
roof.
We
will
minimize
the
visual
impact
of
our
mechanical
equipment
by
having
it
recessed
considerably
back
from
the
roof
edge,
so
that
you
won't
see
it
from
the
street.
AC
AC
So
this
is
our
north
facade,
so
this
facade
is
one
story
less
in
height
and
set
back
from
the
property
line,
10
and
a
half
feet
and
we've.
This
is,
you
know,
as
one
of
the
guidelines
suggests,
to
limit
the
number
of
access
to
the
parking
areas
which
we've
done
to
this
one
entrance
and
also
providing
brick
panels
on
either
side
of
the
entrance
to
help
screen
the
parking
from
seneca
street.
We're
also
incorporating
native
vegetation
to
add
some
screening,
also
with
with
plantings
around
this,
the
street
level.
AC
Next,
we'll
look
at
some
building
materials,
and
so
in
keeping
with
the
industrial
theme
that
was
the
historic
part
of
the
site.
Originally,
we
are
showing
here
a
sample
of
the
metal
panels.
AC
On
the
upper
left
hand,
side,
the
color
would
be
a
kind
of
a
medium
gray
color
in
the
middle
of
the
state
street
mlk
facade,
there's
a
little
bit
of
a
recessed
area,
and
so
the
corrugated
panel
in
the
middle
shows
a
vision
of
what
we
imagine
that
to
be
like
and
then
on
the
right
hand,
side,
our
modular,
brick,
again,
connoting
kind
of
an
industrial
aesthetic
with
the
dark
mortar
and
then
the
glass
will
be
as
clear
as
possible.
AC
AC
So
this
is
a
sample
of
some
of
the
neighborhood
that
we
have.
Of
course,
the
state
diner
on
the
lower
left
directly
across
the
street
is
the
gas
station
you
see
on
the
lower
right
and
then
directly
across
north
corn
street
from
us
is
the
image
of
the
building
on
the
upper
right
hand,
corner
of
this
document
and
then
in
the
center
and
then
the
upper
left
hand.
Corner
are
two
other
buildings
that
are
on
the
north
side
of
west
day
street.
AC
This
is
a
zoning
diagram
to
show
you
how
our
site
fits
in,
and
so
the
majority
of
it
is
in
a
predominantly
commercial
zone
on
the
south
and
then
there's
a
kind
of
mixed
use
zone
in
the
middle,
where
about
70
feet
of
our
building
projects
into
that
area
and
then
across
the
street.
As
a
more
residential
zoning.
AC
So
this
is
a
diagram
of
how
we're
distributing
the
different
unit
types
in
the
typical
floor
plan
and,
as
you
can
see,
our
corners
are
graced
with
the
larger
two
bedroom
units
and
then
next
to
that
we
have
the
with
a
typical
sort
of
typical
one
bedroom
and
then
the
purple
collar
represents
the
what
we're
calling
a
junior
one
bedroom
as
part
of
the
project.
AC
This
diagram,
our
clients,
did
a
study
or
were
gaining
access
to
studies
of
housing
demand
in
the
area,
and
we
feel
that
this
project,
the
unit
distribution,
is
really
responsive
to
the
demand.
That's
in
tompkins
county
and
in
this
area
downtown.
AC
So
one
of
the
things
that
is
unique
about
this
project
is
the
fact
that
it
has
a
very
awkward
site
and,
as
you
can
see,
the
plan
has
a
lot
of
different
elements
to
it,
because,
instead
of
just
being
a
rectangular
piece
of
land,
it's
kind
of
a
little
bit
non-geometric,
but
as
part
of
the
layout.
In
order
to
really
have
achieved
any
kind
of
efficiency.
With
the
apartment
plan,
it
was
necessary
to
have
a
greater
depth
of
the
apartments
along
the
part
of
the
building.
AC
That's
parallel
to
west
state
street,
and
so
what
we
recommended
is
to
introduce
a
unit
type
that
we've
used
in
many
buildings,
we're
calling
it
a
junior
one
bedroom
and
what
it
has.
What
the
advantage
of
this
unit
is.
It's
really
upgraded
from
a
studio
where
there
is
the
bed
has
its
own
area
and
then
the
dwelling,
the
majority
of
the
dwelling
areas
on
the
facade.
AC
But
what
this
does
is
it
a
typical
apartment
building
is
probably
about
60
to
65
feet,
deep
with
a
double
loaded
corridor,
and
what
this
does
is
it
allows
you
to
increase
the
depth
of
the
building,
creating
a
greater
efficiency
on
the
site,
but
also
allowing
us
to
take
advantage
of
the
awkwardness
and
the
unusual
shape
of
our
particular
piece
of
land
that
we're
dealing
with
here.
AC
That
would
be
if
we
had
a
restaurant
ton
of
cooking
could
be
accepted,
but
other
than
that
all
the
heating
and
hot
water
for
the
building
will
be
with
the
heat
pump,
which
is
the
kind
of
the
hot
water
heat
pump,
is
kind
of
a
very
new
technology
that
you
know
we
were
going
to
incorporate.
AC
You
know
we're
very
paying
a
lot
of
attention
to
the
the
facade
of
the
building,
because
one
of
the
things
that
is
a
real
energy
problem
construction
is
the
way
that
the
heat
or
air
conditioning
in
the
and
it's
hot,
outside
the
thermal,
bridging
between
the
outside
of
the
building
and
the
inside,
and
so
we're
working
very
carefully
with
our
energy
consultant
to
make
sure
that
we're
providing
a
lot
of
extra
insulation
and
detailing
to
make
sure
that
the
building
skin
is
as
efficient
as
possible.
AC
And
then
there
was
another
exhibit
that
talked
about
the
lighting,
we're
going
to
be
using
all
led
fixtures
and
the
lighting
power
density
will
be
at
a
very
high
ratio,
much
more
than
required
by
code,
and
so
that's
another.
Those
are
the
elements
that
were,
we
will
be
using
in
the
building
and
that's
kind
of
the
end
of
our
main
presentation.
D
Thank
you
very
much,
so
our
main
task
for
today
is
design
review.
We
also
have
review
of
the
thief
on
here,
but
I
actually
don't
think
we're
going
to
do
that,
given
our
time
constraints.
D
So
I'd
like
to
go
start
by
going
around
the
room,
getting
feedback
from
all
the
folks
on
the
board
on
the
design,
as
it
relates
to
our
role
here
in
design
review,
and
you
know
things
you
like
and
don't
like
and
would
like
to
see
changed
emily
with.
If
it's
all
right,
I'd
start
with
you.
F
F
I
think,
as
we
go
through
design
review
and
get
into
the
public
areas
like
you
know,
on
state
street
and
there
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
that
alley
is
focused
on
as
well
for
lighting,
and
it
seems
like
it's
pretty
dead
at
this
point
and
could
be
scary.
So
I
just
want
to
in
the
future,
take
a
closer
look
in
there
and
make
sure
you
know
that
it's
a
safe
place
and
then
inviting
because
you
have
a
three-sided
building.
D
J
E
E
E
Thank
you
yeah.
My
only
con
concern,
I
guess
is
like
you
know,
views
and
line
of
sight
with.
Is
that
maybe
the
transformers
right
there
and
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
it's
safe
for
you
know
this
person
on
their
bicycle
or
pedestrians,
as
people
are
coming,
it's
both
entering
and
exiting
the
garage
at
that
spot
right.
E
E
Otherwise,
I
think
it's
looking
really
really
nice
and
I
know
that
you
will
update
us
when
you
have
an
update
and
of
course,
I'm
just
you
know
curious
about
the,
where
you're
deciding
to
go
with
like
the
tompkins
county
affordability
decision,
so,
whether
that's
tonight
or
later,
I
know
that
it's
an
ongoing
conversation
for
you
but
yeah.
I
think
it's
looking
really
great.
Nothing
else
to
add.
Thank
you.
Q
Hi
eric
great
presentation-
and
I
really
enjoy
these
renderings,
and
I
said
I
think
you
did
a
great
job
to
address
my
comment
at
the
last
meeting
about
the
horizontal
element
on
the
existing
building
as
a
simple
solution
that
looks
really
good
about
this
elevation.
I
think
a
common.
Q
Q
Q
AC
K
Mitch,
yeah,
I
agree
with
my
colleagues.
I
think
it's
a
very
thoughtful
design,
a
very
nice
design.
I
appreciate
the
materials
that
you're
using.
I
think
it's
a
design
approach,
that
a
lot
of
local
projects
could
actually
learn
from
benefit
from.
So
I
applaud
you
on
that.
Like
mckenzie,
I'm,
you
know
still
concerned
about
the
affordability
issue
and
you
know
which
option
you're
you're
looking
at
understood,
it's
an
ongoing
conversation,
but
it's
an
important
one
for
this
part
of
town,
to
build
an
affordability
or
to
contribute
to
the
affordability
fund.
K
Preservation
of
the
mama
goose
building
is
like
I've
said
before
super
critical.
For
me,
we
had
a
speaker
earlier
tonight
in
the
public
comment
period.
Who
said
the
same
thing
I
I
imagine
there
are
many
others
who
feel
this
way,
particularly
the
ilpc,
and
I
know
you
got
a
letter
from
them
and
you
spoke
to
that
eric
a
bit.
K
They
had
one
comment
in
their
letter
about
aligning
the
facades
and
not
projecting
your
project
out
towards
state
street
that
that
it
would
hide
the
mama
goose
building.
I'm
just
curious.
If,
if
you
actually
looked
at
any
strategies
that
did
align
those
facades,
so
they
had
a
more
consistent
street
facade
which
would
allow
for
outdoor
dining
and
things
on
the
sidewalk.
But
I
assume
that
was
about
square
foot
calculations
and
the
need
to
get
as
much
square
feet
as
possible.
D
It
would
solve
your
depth
of
unit
problem
it'd,
give
you
a
more
reasonable
depth
to
your
studios
that
are
trying
to
be
one
bedrooms
and
something
to
think
about.
Cj,
okay,.
J
Yeah,
just
one
of
the
just
kind
of
dawning
on
me,
the
the
dry
cleaners
they
weren't
interested
in
this
whole
parcel
assembly
or,
in
this
whole
project,
just
occurring
to
me
that
when
that
parcel
on
seneca
and
corn
gets
developed,
just
wondering
how
that
might
impact
those.
You
know
those
balconies,
and
you
know
I'm
just
thinking
about
it's
kind
of
I'm
realizing
and
seeing
the
dry
cleaners
in
context
and
how
different
that
will
be
to
turn
that
parking
lot.
J
You
know
into
activating
that
is
is
a
great
thing,
but
I'm
just
wondering
kind
of
how
this
will
play
nicely
when
that
corner
gets
re.
Redeveloped.
O
L
Yeah,
I
think
mitch
said
it
well,
I
I
agree
with
with
his
comments
and
the
others
of
my
colleagues.
You
know
this
is
a
project,
great
presentation,
by
the
way,
very
thorough,
very
clear.
L
AA
C
I
had
a
couple
questions:
can
you
go
back
to
the
one
of
the
first
drawings
that
showed
us
streets?
It
was
like
a
rendering,
a
visualization
of
the
streetscape
and
the
building
on
the
first
floor.
Yeah
so,
and
maybe
it
was
more
towards
the
front
door,
so
you
said
eric
that
yeah
that
that
one
exactly
so
that
looks
like
a
very
wide
sidewalk.
C
What's
how
is
that
happening,
and
you
also
said
that
you're
gonna
remove
a
utility
pole.
So
where
is
that
pole
gonna
go
or
what
are
you
doing
with
that?.
AC
The
pole
is
really
just
there
to
serve
the
existing
buildings
that
we
have.
You
know
as
part
of
the
site,
and
so
we
can
get
our
power
from
the
north
side.
You
know
seneca
street.
C
G
AC
Y
Okay,
lisa,
if
I
could
just
jump
on
and
on
I
mean
much
of
this-
of
the
existing
sidewalk
space
is
actually
curb,
cut
parking
lot,
entry
and
so
on.
The
the
state
street
mlk
side
here
we're
putting
that
curb
back
in
and
the
sidewalks
getting
that
full
depth
that
right
now
pedestrians
don't
really
experience,
because
it's
essentially
all
of
the
driveway
that's
a
good
point,
and
also
on
the
the
corner
of
corn
street.
That's
where
there's
a
right
now,
there's
a
raised
podium
platform
and
so
we're
lowering
that
and
marisa.
Y
If
you
can
go
back,
one
slide,
two
slides
you
know
on
that
corner.
It's
also
vastly
expanding
the
the
depth
of
the
potential.
Y
Q
I
think
that
you
know,
I
think
that
works
well
and
the
depth
of
the
sidewalk
is
adequate,
and
what
I
really
wanted
to
ask
is,
as
a
matter
of
curiosity
eric.
What
is
your
intended?
Floor-To-Floor
height
for
the
building.
AC
Y
And
actually
zoning
specifies
the
not
only
the
overall
building
height
but
the
actual
florida
floors
so
per
the
zoning
code.
We
couldn't
do
anything
different
on
the
floor
floors
in
the
cbd,
52.
D
Other
questions
and
comments
from
members
of
the
board
on
design
review.
D
K
I'm
just
just
to
clarify
I
I
wasn't
suggesting
that
the
developer
pushed
the
building
back
for
a
greater
setback.
I
was
just
flagging
the
ilpc
comment
that
was
made
in
terms
of
aligning
the
facade,
so
I
I
just
wanted
to
note
it
as
a
point.
I
I
really
don't
have
an
opinion
on
it.
I
just
wanted
to
ask
the
architect
if
they
had
explored
it
in
earlier
iterations
of
the
design
and
what
came
of
those
explorations.
E
I
I
also
really
like
the
spaciousness
that
exists
in
front
of
like
mama,
goose
and
or
sorry
mimi's
attic
right
now
with
it
feels
like
a
wide
sidewalk.
I
know
that
it's
a
parking
lot,
but
it
feels
like
a
wide
sidewalk
so
maintaining
as
much
of
that
width
as
possible,
because
it's
already,
you
know
paved,
I
think,
is
awesome.
AC
So
if
you
had
pulled
the
new
building
back,
you'd
want
people
to
be
walking
up
against
the
storefront,
so
they
could
see
the
commercial.
You
know
the
the
goods
in
the
building.
You
know
if
it
was
a
store
or
something
for
show
windows,
then
you
would
establish
a
kind
of
walking
plane
that
would
be
right
up
against
the
historic
building,
and
so
it
would
kind
of
it
wouldn't
give
you
as
much
of
that
space.
That's
semi!
You
know,
halfway
between
the
public
space
and
the
private
space.
Does
that
make
any
sense.
D
Thank
you
for
that
lisa.
I
want
to
check
in
with
you.
I
know
that
you
know
there
are
certain
boxes
we
have
to
take.
You
know
as
we
go
through
the
design
review
process,
and
it
does
seem
like
feedback
from
the
board
has
been
mostly
positive
without
too
much
in
terms
of
pushback
on
the
design
as
presented.
Is
there
anything
we
need
to
make
sure
we
look
at
beyond
what
we've
talked
about
in
order
to
be
fulfilling
our
obligations
here.
C
C
F
Thank
you
I
think
in
the
future.
It
would
be
great
if
we
could
see
the
north
side
of
the
building.
I
know
that
it's
less
accessible
from
the
ground
level,
but
I
think,
driving
and
and
from
other
buildings.
It
would
be
important
for
us
to
get
a
sense
for.
What's
on
that
north
side
and
my
comment
about
the
corn
street
alleyway
entranceway,
I
think
also
pertains
to
the
seneca
street
to
the
east
of
the
parking
garage
entrance.
D
Thank
you,
emily.
That's
excellent,
any
other
pieces
of
feedback
from
the
board
or
anything
that
members
of
the
board
would
like
to
see
as
we
move
forward
on
this
project
in
the
future.
D
I'm
seeing
some
shaken
heads
and
silence
without
okay.
That
might
do
it
for
today.
Thank
you
very
much
the
applicants
for
that
presentation
and
we
are
done
with
design
review
and
I
guess
we'll
see
you
in
about
a
month.
I
Could
I
ask
a
question
sure,
with
regard
to
the
thief
part
three,
I
know
it
got
pushed
off
the
agenda
this
month
and
the
thief
part
two
got
pushed
off
the
agenda
last
month
and
I'm
just
wondering
if
there's
any
way
that
we
can
make
sure
that
there's
time
for
the
board
to
review
those
documents.
D
I
mean,
I
think
it's
always
hairy
when
it
comes
after
a
big
task
and
design
review
is
a
big
task
and
your
presentations
while
thorough
or
you
know,
thorough-
and
you
know
we
we
hope
to
get
through
that
next
month,
and
it
will
also
be
good
for
staff
to
have
a
chance
to
review
that
part
three.
D
It
is
your
document
rather
than
a
staff
document,
and
usually
when
we
review
part
three,
it's
a
staff
document,
so
I
don't
think
you're
losing
much
by
not
having
the
board
go
through
your
document
with
staff
going
through
making
the
changes
they
want
you're,
going
to
get
more
value
out
of
a
board
review
anyway.
AC
AD
AD
So
tonight
we
are
here
for
determination
of
environmental
significance
and
preliminary
site
plan
approval.
We
were
with
you
last
month
and
made
a
presentation.
I
made
a
presentation
with
an
overview
of
the
project.
We
have
since
prepared
some
additional
materials
which
I
could
I
could
share
and
go
through
again
tonight
we
went
it.
We
went
over
them
at
committee
meeting
on
two
weeks
ago
on
a
tuesday
morning.
I
think
so.
D
Sure
why
don't
we
go
through
those
quickly?
I
don't
totally
remember
what
had
changed
in
that
committee
meeting,
so
it
might
be
worth
to
run
through
it.
AD
Sure,
let
me
bring
it
up
here,
so
nothing
that
really
changed.
We
just
had
a
few
additional
presentation
materials.
So
this
this
pdf
just
shows
some
of
the
areas
impacted
by
the
project.
So
we've
got
our.
You
know
a
plan
showing
the
pavement
sections.
AD
The
pavement
areas,
different
types
of
pavement,
the
crosswalk,
the
general
layout
of
the
project
also
shown
here
is
kind
of,
and
these
are
not
new
landscaped
areas
or
re-landscaped
areas,
they're
just
simply
landscaped
areas.
So
we
do
have
some
some
changes
going
on
in
landscape
areas,
but
I'll
talk
about
that
a
little
bit
later.
D
Might
be
helpful
for
you
to
share
your
screen
if
we're
going
to
go
through
this,
I
I
I
know
we
have
this
on
paper,
but
it's
always
a
little
bit
easier
to
know.
I'm
looking
at
what
you're
looking
at.
AD
I
had
one
more
button
to
hit.
I
I
shared
it,
but
there
was
a
one
more
share.
Okay,
still
see
it
yep
so
yeah.
This
is
the
overview
of
the
plan
for
the
dwyer
dam
replacement
project.
It's
replacement
kind.
AD
The
project
will
consist
of
new
super
structure
so
or
keep
retaining
the
existing
beams
and,
like
I
was
saying
some
of
this,
the
green
areas
are
just
showing
landscaped
areas.
So
that's
not
new
landscape.
It's
just
existing
landscape.
We
have
a
couple
of
crosswalks.
I
think
we
talked
about
those
the
last
time.
AD
This
one
is
a
raised
crosswalk
and
in
conformance
with
dot
standards,.
AD
Let's
see
I'll
go
to
the
next
page,
here's
a
cross-section
or
elevation
of
the
bridge.
So
there
were
some
questions
can't
remember
at
what
meeting
it
was
about
a
couple
of
the
elements
that
maybe
you
can
see
a
little
better
here
in
the
in
the
in
this
elevation.
AD
The
means,
restriction
and
kind
of
the
extent
of
the
means
restriction
as
a
as
as
it
compares
to
the
abutments
and
then
the
gorge,
the
sides
of
the
gorge.
So
you
can
see
here's
our
our
means
restriction.
It
just
hangs
down
it's
it's!
AD
It's
pretty
much
kept
within
this
area
of
the
abutment
and
then
wings
out,
as
shown
in
the
previous
page
and
plan,
and
again
reminder
just
to
everybody
that
this
is
only
on
the
south
side
of
the
bridge,
where
we
have
those
deeper,
deeper
channels
on
the
other
side
of
the
bridge.
There's
just
it's
it's
it's
not
as
much
of
a
fall,
so
it's
not
as
much
of
a
risk.
AD
There
was
also
a
question
at
one
of
the
meetings
about
concrete
parapets,
so
here
you
can
see-
and
this
will
be
shown
again
in
another
slide.
The
concrete
parapets
are
just
simply
this
area
of
kind
of
transition
from
the
bridge
railing
to
the
railing
these
transition,
railings,
which
kind
of
float
off
and
then
blend
into
the
landscape
as
part
of
a
d.o.t
standard
for
just
protection
from
the
abutments
scrolling
to
the
next
again.
Here
we
have
a
cross-section
showing
the
widths
of
the
sidewalks.
I
think
I
showed
this
the
last
time
around.
AD
We
have
a
little
bit
of
utility
work.
All
of
the
utilities
will
be
uninterrupted,
except
for
maybe
some
intermittent
shutdowns
for
ty
to
to
do
some
might
be
some
sealant
repairs
and
whatnot,
or
we're
going
to
be
putting
new
hangers
on
and
rehanging
all
of
the
utilities
in
the
existing
same
places.
AD
So
again,
you've
got
the
means
restriction
shown
on
the
one
side,
and
you
know
hanging
off
the
existing
structure.
So
no
elements
are
are
proposed
to
kind
of
be
embedded
in
the
gorge.
I
think
that's
pretty
similar
to
some
of
the
other
ones
that
are
around
campus,
and
then
this
is
just
a
let's
see
here.
Let
me
switch
to
something
maybe
a
little
bit
more
useful,
so
just
for
just
showing
a
little
bit
on
the
lighting.
AD
So
there
was
a
question
at
one
point
about
the
lighting,
so
this
this
shows
some
of
the
the
new
lighting
locations.
We've
got
a
couple
light
poles
being
added
security.
Camera
associated
with
the
means
restriction
will
also
be
mounted
on
this
light
pole
here
that
I'm
pointing
to
so
just
one
light
pole
will
have
a
security
camera
which
we'll
be
able
to
view
this
whole
sidewalk.
Other
security
cameras
are
going
to
be
mounted
on
the
underside
of
the
bridge
to
monitor
the
means
restriction
itself,
just
like
the
other
installations
around
campus.
AD
This
is
just
lighting
study,
and
here
you
can
see
on
the
stairs
which
again
is
going
to
be
an
alternate
to
the
bid
documents.
We're
certainly
hoping
to
do
it.
It
needs
to
be
done,
but
this
is
with
the
lighting
plan
for
the
the
stairs
and
we're
using
the
shorter
poles.
I
think
they're,
the
13
or
15
foot
areas
as
opposed
to
the
street
lights
down
on
the
street,
so
these
have
been
used
throughout
campus
too.
It's
the
same
model.
AD
That's
been
used
on
some
other
trails,
here's
another
rendering
or
actually
a
photo
from
another
bridge
project,
with
some
similar
railing
details
to
what
the
dryer
dam
bridge
will
have.
We
won't
have
these
concrete
intermediate
abutments,
but
we
will
have
this
this
one
from
the
main
bridge
railing
to
these
extension
rails.
AD
Then
we
got
a
you
know
just
another
rendering
I
wanted
to
show
you.
This
was
the
actual
that
four
rail,
a
typical
on
dot
crash,
tested
a
crash
tested
railing
system.
I
should
say
which
meets
dot
standards
getting
into
yeah
landscaping
here.
So
these
plans
show
a
little
bit
of
the
some
of
the
landscaping
to
be
removed.
AD
And
another
plan
showing.
AD
So
we've
got
four
tree
removals
and
they're
identified
in
this
document.
These
have
been
shared
with
lisa
too.
They
might
even
be
part
of
your
package
of
information
that
you
have
tonight,
so
that's
just
showing
these
four
trees
to
be
removed.
AD
And
we've
got
a
preliminary
planting
plan,
so
erosion
and
sediment
control
and
some
of
those
planting
details
shown
on
this
set
of
pdfs
here
with
some
new
new
plantings
going
in
here,
which
we're
working
with
the
university
landscape.
Architect,
david
cutter,
helping
our
designer
make
these
selections.
AD
AD
I've
gotten
a
preliminary
word
that
the
project
might
be
accelerated
so
the
last
time
I
was
here,
I
indicated
that
it
might
be
delayed
and
now
it
might
be
accelerated,
so
new
york
state
dot
was
out
on
the
site
about
two
weeks
ago
and
gave
us
another
yellow
flag
which
they've
consistently
given
us
for.
I
think
this
is
the
third
year
in
the
row
in
a
row,
but
they
found
a
little
bit
more
corrosion
of
the
bearing
steel,
and
so
we
are
right
now
working
on
making
a
remedy.
For
that.
AD
D
Thank
you
for
running
running
us
through
that.
That
was
helpful,
good
context.
D
Before
I
go
around
the
board,
I
want
to
mention
that
we
have
two
potential
actions
tonight.
The
first
is
a
neg
deck,
it's
the
yellow
resolution
in
your
packet
and
the
second
is
preliminary
approval,
which
is
the
orange
resolution
in
your
packet
to
get
through
the
negg
deck.
We
do
need
to
review
the
part
3
which
I've
reviewed
and
looks
pretty
baked,
but
we
haven't
spent
much
time
on
it
that
I
recall
so.
We
definitely
want
to
spend
time
on
that
before
we
dive
into
the
park
three,
I'm
just
gonna
look
for
hands.
D
Is
there
any?
You
know,
comment
or
question
for
the
applicant
before
we
start
looking
at
the
part
three.
A
D
Any
questions
or
comments
for
the
applicant
before
we
move
into
the
part
three
review
sing:
none.
Okay,
we
have
a
part
three,
it's
not
a
huge
26
pager,
which
is
nice,
it's
seven
pages,
which
is
a
reasonable
length,
and
I
did
not
see
anything
of
concern.
Lisa.
Is
there
anything
in
particular
that
I
should
be
looking
for
or
looking
at
as
we
review
this.
C
No,
I
mean
you
know,
the
project
is
in
a
unique
natural
area.
It's
in
open
space,
so
you
know
it's
a
very
sensitive
area,
but
it's
you
know
the
mo.
For
the
most
part,
it's
almost
a
replacement
in
kind
project.
So,
yes,
there
are
certain
impacts
during
construction,
but
then,
once
it's
over,
it's
all
going
to
be
put
back.
So
even
though
it's
in
a
very
sensitive
area,
you
know
they're
taking
a
lot
of
precautions
in
the
way
they're
constructing
it
and
the
pedestrian
access.
C
So
I
I
feel,
like
you
know,
I
don't
didn't,
have
any
real
concerns.
E
AD
So
that
might
include
more
than
around
what
was
on
that
pedestrian
bypass
yeah,
so
these
trees,
some
of
them
are,
I
would
imagine,
are
native
and
we'll
be
replacing
them
with
similar
trees
in
terms
of
the
caliper,
I'm
not
sure
what
our
replacements
are
going
to
be
and
what
caliper
tree
we're
going
to
be
using.
G
C
Great
great
and,
of
course,
the
cornell
natural
you
know,
cornell
landscape,
architect
and
the
natural
areas
person
todd
bittner
will
be
involved
with
whatever
changes
or
revegetation.
You
do.
AD
O
K
AD
Yes,
so
construction
would
start
after
commencement,
so
we
would
be
doing
some
enabling
work
prior
to
commencement
such
as
the
temporary
pedestrian
bridge,
so
that
that
was
all
in
place
by
the
time
the
bridge
was
taken
out
after
commencement,
but
of
course,
for
commencement
weekend
everything
will
be
back
and
fully
functional
after
commencement
it's
kind
of
everything
gets
rolling,
the
bridge
will
be
closed
and
construction
will
commence
in
june
and
be
wrapping
up
in
the
fall
in
that
september,
so
students
will
be
coming
back
and
classes
will
have
started,
but
the
bridge
will
be
put
back
in
service
sometime
in
early
september.
K
C
D
Are
people
ready
to
vote
on
seeker
all
right?
Is
there
a
motion
for
a
seeker,
negative
declaration?
It's
the
yellow
resolution
in
your
packet.
I
see
mitch
move.
I
see
emily.
Second,
all
those
in
favor
and
yeah.
I
think
that's
everybody
all
right,
so
that
is
unanimous.
You
have
your
neg
deck.
Congratulations!
D
D
D
And
I
think
that's
everyone,
you
have
preliminary
approval
excellent
well,
that
is
it
for
that
tonight.
Thank
you
very
much
for
your
time.
AD
D
Okay,
that
brings
us
to
zoning
appeals,
one
of
which
we
already
did
and
I'll
confess
for
the
others.
I
wasn't
able
to
find
the
information,
I'm
sure
I
have
it.
I
just
I
just
couldn't
find
it,
and
so
could
someone
share
a
screen
with
the
the
zoning
appeal
info
on
it?
Is
that
a
possible
thing,
I
think,
you're
talking
lisa
but
you're,
muted.
C
I'm
gonna
pull
it
up.
It
came
in
a
updated
agenda
that
was
released
today,
so
I
can
just
give
me
a
second.
D
L
Rob
yep
yeah,
maybe
just
use
them
since
we
have
a
little
pause
here.
This
is
a
bizarre
world
we're
living
in,
but
I
actually
start
teaching
my
class
on
tuesday
nights
at
10
pm.
I
sort
of
hoping
we
finish
before
then,
but
if
there
is
any,
I
think
we're
winding
up.
But
if
there's
anything
that
requires
a
vote
or
anything
if
you
want
to
get
that
squeeze
it
in
before
10.
L
D
A
A
D
G
G
C
All
right,
419.,
okay,
so
this
this
case
is
a
house
that
was
permitted.
It
was
bought
by
the
applicant
or
the
appellant,
it
was
renovated
and
it
had
been
a
terrible
vacant
building.
You
probably
might
be
familiar
with
that
on
kyogre
street
it
was
renovated
and
it
was
approved
and
then,
when
the
inspection
happened,
they
realized
that
there
was
an
area
deficiency
for
the
the
minimum
lot
width,
it's
supposed
to
be
50
feet
and
it's
49
feet.
C
So
that
means
because
it's
deficient,
they
can't
use
all
of
the
bedrooms
within
the
within
the
the
structure.
It's
like
there
was
two
you
know
anyways.
There
are
two
changes
for
two
one
bedroom
units
with
two
studies,
so
so
now
they're
they
have
to
make
the
bedrooms
extra
bedroom
studies,
so
they
want
to
have
two
two-bedroom
units
and
two
yeah.
They
want
to
turn
them
all
into
two-bedroom
units.
So
it's
already
been
done.
The
renovation
has
been
done,
but
the
width,
the
lot
width,
wasn't
sufficient.
D
So
I
can
think
of
any
numbers
of
things
to
say
some
of
them
unhelpful,
but
it's
already
been
done
and
we
need
housing
and
we
need
larger
units
that
can
more
easily
fit
the
the
the
families
we
want
to
be
able
to
live
in
ithaca,
and
this
is
yeah,
I'm
out
of
helpful
things
to
say.
If
anything
else
is
needed,
others
others
can
jump
in.
D
Board
supports
increased
housing.
This
housing
is
needed,
it's
it's
a
fade
accompli.
It's
already
been
done.
There's
there's
no,
no
physical
impact
to
this
change.
We
can
point
out
that
it,
it
was.
You
know,
blight's
loaded
word,
but
it
was
a.
It
was
a
blighted
building,
it
was
it
was
it
was.
It
was
a
problematic
building,
and
now
it's
not
it's
an
asset.
We
want
to
reward
that
type
of
investment.
D
C
All
right,
so
this
one
is
just
for
a
it's
on
a
building
in,
on
brian
f,
it's
a
it's
a
dormer.
It's
the
addition
of
a
dormer
pros
to
construct
a
third
story
dormer
to
provide
additional
space
within
an
existing
apartment
as
part
of
a
larger
renovation
and
reconfiguration
of
the
building.
There
are
four
apartments
in
the
building
two
one-bedroom
units,
one
two-bedroom
unit
and
one
four-bedroom
unit.
C
The
property
has
established
rights
and
provides
for
parking
spaces.
The
proposed
alternations
will
not
alteration,
will
not
add
additional
occupancy
or
require
additional
off-street
parking.
It's
just
because
it's
deficient
already.
You
have
to
get
a
variance
for
the
deficiencies.
So
there
are
some
pictures
of.
D
So
the
letter
on
this
one
was
really
funny,
because
the
neighbor
would
like
us
to
make
them
do
more
because
they
see
it
as
the
ugly
house
on
the
street.
That's
not
as
good
as
the
historic
houses.
D
D
D
G
D
D
C
Yeah,
I
was
supposed
to
send
you
out
talking
points
and
I'm
really
sorry.
I
didn't
do
that
things
that
you
had
discussed.
I
remember
you
talking
about
transportation,
a
lot.
E
Think,
well,
I
feel
like
we
also
have
some
things
to
wrap
up
from,
or
at
least
like
move
forward
from
our
discussions
around
inclusivity
and
anti-racism
in
planning.
That's
like
an
ongoing
conversation.
E
C
Yeah
I
didn't
like
we
hadn't
that
wasn't
really
like
a
you
weren't,
making
any
decisions,
so
it
was
kind
of
a
retreat.
So
I
didn't
like
publish
those
notes
anywhere.
You
feel
comfortable
with
me
doing
that
I
mean
once
yeah.
E
You
can
I
mean
yeah,
I
mean
for
now.
It
feels
like
an
internal
conversation
and
I
think
our
goal
was
to
develop
something
that
we
wanted
to
publish
broadly
together,
but
maybe
we
can
talk
about
what
we
want
to
do
next
week.
I
guess:
okay,
it
was
also
hard
because
at
that
retreat
meeting,
you
know,
like
a
few
people,
were
not
able
to
be
fully
participating
because
of
like
audio.
D
Be
good,
so
that's
that's
race
and
that's
traffic,
any
other
things
we
want
to
try
to
tackle.
During
that
meeting
I
mean
that
could
certainly
be
enough.
C
I
do
want
to
run
that
zoning
appeal
by
you,
but
that
won't
take
long.
C
Maybe
mystery
too,
I
don't
know
I
think
hysteria
I'm
clear
on,
but
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
the
language
is
right
for
the
rambling
one.
E
C
D
All
right,
well
that
may
do
it
for
agenda
items
for
the
special
meeting
tonight.
If
people
come
up
with
things,
they
want
to
talk
about,
send
those
to
lisa
or
you
know,
toward
the
board
as
a
whole.
Depending
on
the
conversation,
you
have
an
appetite
for
and
yeah.
That
brings
us
to
reports.
I
don't
have
a
report.
I
thought
this
went.
You
know
well
enough,
given
the
technical
difficulties
that
we
had,
we
got
through
it
and
I'll.
Thank
you
all
for
your
patience
for
that
bpw
liaison.
L
Yeah,
so
just
one
thing:
if
you've
been
looking
at
the
west
west
hill
area,
the
britley
street
bridge
has
been
complete.
If
you
haven't
yet
gone
down
there
and
looked
at
it,
please
do-
and
I
think
they're
at
the
last
week
or
two
of
trying
to
repurpose
the
old
bridge
as
a
pedestrian
bicycle
bridge,
so
between
that
the
changes
that
occurred
all
along
state
street
there
and
then
the
the
new
sidewalk
up
on
on
hector
street.
You
know
the
whole.
L
You
know,
west
hill
part
of
town
has
really
gotten
dramatically
better
and
into
boot.
Of
course,
the
railroad
replaced
all
those
rail
crossings,
so
those
are
all
brand
new
and
much
smoother.
So
it's
difficult
to
see
to
know
how
much
it's
improved
things
over
on
west
hill,
because
the
pandemic
kind
of
throws
off
all
the
measures,
but
certainly
from
my
point
of
view,
the
infrastructure
has
been
improved
dramatically
and
if
any
of
you
guys
see
tim
loge
I'd
give
him
a
shout
out
for
kind
of
this
whole
this
whole
project.
L
He
got
a
lot
of
grief
about
it,
but
I
think
everyone
agrees
that
it's
kind
of
come
together
very
nicely.
So
that's
all
I
have.
D
C
I
don't
have
a
report,
you
know
main
thing
I
want
to
report
out
on.
Is
a
bill
grant
and
we'll
do
that
next
week.