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C
B
D
Hello,
everybody
welcome
to
the
may
25th
2021
meeting
of
the
city
of
ithaca
planning
and
development
board,
we'll
start
with
a
round
of
introductions,
I'm
mackenzie
jones
vice
chair
of
the
board.
This
evening
I
am
chairing
the
meeting
in
the
absence
of
rob
lewis
our
chair,
emily,
we'll
take
it
around.
C
D
Thank
you,
everybody
so
nice
to
have
us
all
here
tonight.
First
order
of
business
is
a
gender
review.
I
know
that
there's
one
small
change
placement
you
want
to
watch.
A
Yeah
yeah
it's
with
405
elmira
road,
which
is
the
kentucky
fried
chicken.
They
for
some
reason
that
I
can't
remember
what
it
was
were
removed
from
the
bc
agenda.
Oh,
I
think
it
was
a
notification,
so
you
won't
be
doing
the
recommendation
for
them
tonight.
That's
the
only
change
it.
D
Okay,
great,
I
personally
am
not
prepared
if
there
was
something
in
the
day,
so
thank
you
for
pushing
them
all
right.
Next
order
of
business
is
public
comment,
lisa
or
anya.
Do
we
have
any
comments
that
are
asked
that
have
been
asked
to
be
read
for
the
board?
I
know
that
we
have.
We
have
a
public
hearing
on
just
one
project,
so
any
project
comments.
B
D
A
Do
you
have
any
comments
that
were
to
be
read,
although
I
do
have
his
comment?
Oh
he's
he's
unmuted.
Now.
Are
you
with
us
now,
thomas.
A
So
sometimes
people's
audio
doesn't
work
for
whatever
reason,
so
we
want
to
keep
things
moving
along.
Do
you
want
me
to
read
his
comment?
Yeah.
D
A
Okay,
so
you're
welcome.
I'm
gonna
remove
you
from
the
meeting
now
and
you're
welcome
to
watch
the
the
meeting
on
our
live
stream.
Thank
you
for
the
city
of
the
public
meetings,
youtube.
A
Oh
all
right,
so
that's
the
plan,
yeah
I'll,
do
it
to
the
planning
board.
I
know
the
site
of
the
this
is
about
401
east
states.
I
know
the
site
of
the
proposed
development.
Well,
my
kitchen
and
bedroom
windows
look
down
on
it
from
across
the
creek.
I
have
always
known
this
parcel
would
someday
be
developed
and
thought
that
that
I
thought
that
a
good
thing,
in
fact
I
used
site
several
times
in
my
teaching
of
landscape
architecture
at
cornell
regardly.
A
My
first
year,
landscape
architecture,
student
came
up
with
better
proposals
than
the
one
on
offer.
The
project
as
conceived
is
breathtaking
and
its
lack
of
vision.
While
I
have
little
doubt
it
will
proceed
with
only
cosmetic
changes.
It
is
my
duty
as
a
neighbor
and
a
citizen
to
know
the
following
number
one:
the
project
is
being
driven
by
the
financial
needs
of
a
single
downtown
land
owner
not
by
an
urban
design
vision
for
the
city
as
a
whole.
This
is
quid
pro
quo
will
only
further
cement
public
cynicism
and
resignation
about
the
city's
development
priorities.
A
Number
two:
the
project
is
wholly
inappropriate
for
its
location,
architectural
design,
details
and
programming
aside.
The
proposed
structure,
size
and
massing
are
excessive
and
fail
utterly
to
respond
to
this
unique
and
uniquely
sensitive
waterfront
site.
The
last
of
its
kind
in
ithaca
number
three:
the
project
developer,
is
cynically
exploiting
the
site
conditions
to
obtain
a
zoning
variance.
These
conditions
are
no
different
today
than
when
the
64
height
limit
was
established.
A
If
the
current
developer
could
not
realize
an
acceptable
profit
within
the
existing
regulatory
regulatory
constraints,
the
city
should
initiate
an
rfp
process
to
find
one
that
can
number
four.
This
project
will
have
long-term
environmental
impacts
on
its
surroundings,
particularly
with
respect
to
light
noise
and
pollution
or
light
and
noise
pollution.
The
latter
will
be
particularly
severe
during
the
construction
phase.
A
Giles
street
neighbors
have
already
had
a
forecast
for
taste
of
these
effects,
with
the
construction
of
the
state
street
retaining
wall
whose
incessant
noise
and
vibration
penetrate
houses
and
gardens
from
7am
to
5pm
every
day,
every
weekday,
absolutely
no
further.
Expansion
of
working
hours
should
be
allowed
for
the
proposed
project.
Thomason
111
giles
street.
B
No,
we,
we
don't
have
anybody
else
signed
up
to
speak
and
I
have
not
received
any
comments
that
were
indicated
to
be
read
into
the
record.
Okay,.
D
Thank
you.
Well,
let's
do
a
quick
round
see
if
anyone
has
any
feedback
for
that
before
we
get
to
that
project,
and
then
we
can
move
into
subdivision.
I've
seen
garrick
shake
his
head.
No
emily
cj
mitch,
okay,
anything
from
staff,
any
responses
from
staff.
No!
Thank
you.
I
will
the
thomas
your
your
words
have
been
heard
and
are
taken
into
account.
Thank
you
for
sending
them
moving
along
to
subdivision
review
major
subdivision.
C
C
J
D
Good
good!
Well,
this
is
not
your
first
time
in
front
of
us,
so
I
suppose
we
could
just
ask
if
you
have
any
updates
to
share
this
evening.
Otherwise
we
can
move
to
open
our
resolution
for
final
subdivision
approval.
K
I
have
no
updates.
The
subdivision
plan
is
the
same
plan
that
was
approved
with
the
preliminary
approval
resolution,
but
I
do
have
an
update
actually
on
one
of
the
conditions.
One
of
the
conditions
to
the
preliminary
subdivision
approval
resolution
was
a
submission
of
a
site
plan
for
the
trash
enclosures
and
I
believe
we
have.
My
client
has
submitted
all
the
necessary
materials
for
the
site
plan
approvals
and
I
would
request
modification
to
that
condition.
Okay,.
D
D
Emily
moved
any
one
second
cj
seconds,
let's
open
it
up
and
we're
looking
on
the
back
side
of
the
yellow
resolution
before
certification
or
signature
of
the
final
subdivision
plot
condition
I
or
condition
one
sorry,
dumpster
enclosures
to
be
permitted,
constructed
and
inspected,
and
so
your
request
is
that
they
not
necessarily
be
constructed
and
inspected.
But
let
us
what
are
you
thinking?
Instead?
How
would
you
like
to
modify
this.
K
D
Yeah
lisa:
what
are
your
thoughts
about?
The
dumpster
enclosure
condition.
A
Well,
as
you
all
know,
because
you've
heard
me
say
it
so
many
times
at
this
point
that
the
the
open
dumpsters
in
the
back
of
that
building
have
been
out
of
compliance
for
much
longer
than
I've
been
at
the
city,
so
they
really
need
to
be
correct.
However,
they
are.
I
I
think
that
you
know
I
feel
comfortable
if
you
wanted
to
give
staff
discretion
on
when
they
feel
that
has
been
satisfied.
Maybe
it's
not
all
the
way
completely
constructed,
maybe
if
they're
substantially
under.
A
D
Perhaps
change
that
to
say
you
know
before
certification,
a
staff
approval,
city
staff,
approval
of
progress
of
the
dumpster
enclosures
yeah.
A
They
have
no,
I
mean
they
have
90
days
once
it's
signed
once
it's
certified,
but
we
won't
sign
it
until
the
conditions
are
met.
Okay,
does
that
make
sense.
A
Yeah
they
have
to,
they
have
to
have
the
the
dumpster
will
be
under
construction
or
substantially
constructed
before
we'll
sign
this
subject
and
they'll
they
have
90
days
from
when
we
sign
it
or
when
the
chair
signs
it
to
to
file
it.
Okay,
thank
you.
D
I
think
cj,
let's
just
do
a
quick
round
and
see
if
anyone
else
has
questions
or
comments
gary
mitch,
emily.
Okay,
any
concerns
from
staff
sounds
like
lisa's
on
board.
D
I
have
no
objections,
so
we
can
update
that
condition.
Any
other
questions
or
comments
on
the
resolution
for
final
subdivision
approval.
D
Eric
awesome,
thank
you.
All
opposed
looks
like
nobody
that
passes
unanimously
with
our
quorum
tonight.
C
D
So
yeah.
A
A
Mackenzie
we
did
talk
last
time
about
having
a
roll
call
vote.
I
think
it's
fine
this
time,
but
maybe
the
next
the
remaining
votes.
The
next
applicant
has
not
arrived
yet.
So
I
just
I've
been
emailing
him.
If
I
look
distracted
sorry,
I've
been
emailing
him
to
tell
him
he's
up
next.
B
I
just
tried
to
call
his
cell
as
well,
but
so
I
got
no
answer.
Sorry,
okay,
so.
D
Yeah,
let's
move
on
to
our
zoning
appeals,
so
we
are
scratching
405
elmira
for
this
evening,
postponing
it
to
a
future
meeting
and
401
east
state
mlk.
We
will
discuss
as
we
get
to.
D
So,
first
order
of
business
on
appeals
there
would
be
106
cascadilla
park.
Road
are
any
of
these
applicants
here,
probably
not,
or
were
they
planning
to
be
here.
B
D
Okay,
okay,
thank
you!
So
cast
106
casteville
park
road.
The
owners
are
hoping
to
put
a
carport
with
a
green
roof
on
a
slope
on
the
property
which
will
exacerbate
the
existing
front
yard
deficiency
and
also
they
have
an
existing
deficiency
and
maximum
lot
coverage.
D
So
this
would
project
this
project
would
result
in
26
lot
coverage
by
buildings
exceeding
the
20
allowed.
So
we're
looking
at
two
appeals
here.
D
And
there
are
some
images:
the
folks
have
it
for
a
covered
parking
lot.
I
personally
find
this
to
be
a
pretty
ingenious
design
for
working
with
the
working
with
the
existing
site
and
we
often
want
to
promote
homeowners
upgrading
existing
properties.
So
let's
do
a
round
for
feedback
and
then
we
can
give
lisa
our
recommendation
start
with
you.
Emily.
E
Thank
you.
I
think
it's
great
to
get
a
parking
spot
off
of
the
street
on
this
tight
to
drive
on
and
looks
like
always
packed
with
parking
street.
I
think
the
the
detailing
of
it
fits
in
with
the
kind
of
craftsman-style
houses
on
the
street,
so
a
great
mackenzie
that
it's
a
kind
of
ingenious
way
to
do
it.
I
have
no
feelings
about
the
green
roof
one
way
or
another,
and
just
in
terms
of
the
zoning
I
think
it's
I
would
support
it.
H
Seems
fine
from
a
design
perspective,
I'm
just
curious
if
any
of
the
neighbors
on
that
road
have
chimed
in
on
this
or
how
they?
How
they're
feeling
about
it.
D
Good
question:
I
assume
that
before
this
project
goes
to
the
board
of
zoning
appeals,
they'd
have
to
notify
their
neighbors,
but
I
don't
know
the
process.
B
So
I've
seen
one
letter
of
support
from
a
neighbor.
Oh
that's
good!.
E
There
was
one
excuse
me:
there
was
one
letter
that
specifically
questioned
runoff
stability
of
the
gorge
construction
practices.
E
Those
were
all
really
valid
points,
maybe
not
under
our
purview
until
it
comes
back
after
zoning
approved
it,
but.
D
G
Far,
it
was
the
wrong
app
was
activated,
so
I
know
a
lot
about
this.
The
board
of
public
works
has
probably
spent
close
to
an
hour
discussing
this
curb
cut
over
the
course
of
two
meetings.
G
Let
me
just
cut
to
the
chase
city
engineering
staff
has
looked
at
this
carefully
has
worked
with
the
applicant's
architect
has
examined
it
from
every
angle,
from
every
point
of
view.
If
you
go
and
look
at
the
site,
this
is
a
very,
very
complicated
site.
You
know,
you
know
the
street
is
a
difficult
street,
so
I
I
would
just
say
this:
this
is
a
a
project
that
has
been
well
vetted.
I'll,
just
say
that.
D
Hopefully
that
answers
your
concerns
and
the
concerns
of
anyone
writing
about
runoff
and
construction
practices
and
whatnot.
So
as
far
as
our
preview
is
concerned,
it
seems
like
we
don't
have
any
objections
to
this
hello,
elizabeth.
C
D
To
see
you
do
you
feel
ready
to
jump
in,
or
do
you
want
to
kind
of
take
a
minute
until
we
get
to
the
next
project,
which.
D
You're
here
now
we
our
the
applicants
for
site
for
special
permit
approval
weren't
here
yet
so
we're
looking
at
our
zoning
appeals
and
we're
discussing
one
of
the
park
road,
which
is
a
carport
in
a
on
a
slope,
an
existing
house
and
it
there
are
two
existing
deficiencies
for
lot
coverage
and
front
yard
setback.
D
And
if
you
had
a
chance
to
review
it,
we
would
love
to
hear
your
thoughts
before
we
talk
about
language
for.
L
Lisa,
I
didn't
hear
the
presentation
so
I'll
skip
this
one,
but
the
next
one
I've
definitely
reviewed
everything
and
then
the
cornell
one
that
are
they
gonna,
be
talking.
L
D
That,
okay,
so
let's
yeah.
A
Lisa
I
I'd
like
to
make
a
comment
on
this
one
I
mean.
A
Is
extraordinarily
steep
there
and
it's
a
lot
of
excavation
for
carport,
which
is
not
necessarily
a
bad
thing,
but
I
would
just
want
to
make
sure
that
they
put
in
stormwater
practices.
We
are,
you
know,
and
erosion,
control
and
stormwater
practices,
and
you
know
it
was
evaluated
for
environmental
impacts
properly.
Before
you
know
I
would.
I
would
like
to
see
that
in
the
language.
H
Not
on
that
per
se,
but
the
more
I
think
about
this
and
understand
that
it's
you
know
exacerbating
the
front
yard
deficiency
to
six
and
a
half
feet,
which
is
where
it's
a
25
foot
requirement,
and
I
think
we
saw
a
project
a
couple
of
weeks
ago.
That
was
talking
about
getting
rid
of
parking
in
the
front
yard
of
a
multi-family
project,
and
I
you
know,
I,
I
think
the
more
I
think
about
this
one.
H
I
guess
I'm
a
little
bit
torn
about
it
because
I'm
sure
they
need
the
parking
it
works
with
the
slope,
but
I,
but
it
does
feel
like
it
sets
a
bit
of
an
example
to
say
that
if
you
want
parking
in
your
front
yard,
no
matter
the
site
condition
you're,
you
can,
you
know,
get
it
through
through
these
channels,
and
I
I'm
not
sure
uncomfortable
with
that.
D
J
D
Is
tasked
with
taking
things
on
a
case-by-case
basis
and
and
so
you're
right
that
we
don't
want
to
set
precedent,
and
I
think
that
can
be
part
of
what
we
recommend
to
the
bca.
If
we
want
to
recommend
this
project,
perhaps
we
can
say
we
think
that
this
particular
case
is
you.
J
A
D
And
we
don't
want
to
set
precedent,
especially
just
for
parking,
although
we
do
appreciate
getting
parking
off
of
the
streets,
I
think
our
recommendation
doesn't
necessarily
have
to
be
ostensibly
positive
or
negative.
We
can
just
share
our
thoughts
with
the
bza.
How
do
others
feel
about
that?
Anyone
have
any.
If
I
show
of
hands,
I
can
call
on
you.
If
you
have
more
thoughts
about
it,.
G
Yeah,
I
would
just
say
I
I
think
it's
it's
fair
to
characterize
this
is
that
the
the
board
of
public
works
felt
that
this
overall
was
an
upgrade
of
the
kind
of
public
view,
and
you
know
that
street's
very
particular,
and
getting
cars
off
the
street
and
into
you
know.
Basically,
it's
moving
the
car
off
the
street
and
into
private
property,
and
I
you
know,
I
don't
know
that
we
have
a
policy
on
that,
but
I
think
that's
a
good
thing.
D
I
don't
think
that
we
have
a
policy
on
that
this.
This
road,
in
particular,
is
a
challenging
road
for
vehicles
to
navigate,
and
I
mean
I
walk
it
with
my
children,
and
so
I
can
vouch
for
you
know
how
how
narrow
it
can
be
for
pedestrians
and
cars
to
share.
D
Well,
do
we
want
to
send
the
bza
this
kind
of
like
lukewarm
recommendation,
where
we
say
you
know
we
appreciate
this
particular
case,
but
we
might
have
concerns
about
setting
a
precedent
for
car
usa.
You
know
cars
determining
front
yard
setbacks.
G
I
mean
mckenzie,
it's
it's
stated
in.
I
think
the
code
for
the
bza
that
bga
rulings
never
set
precedent.
So
the
idea
of
of
a
variance
is
that
it's
a
particular
circumstance.
D
G
Particular
circumstances
I
I
fully
take
mitch's,
you
know
mitch's
broader
point,
but
you
know
recommending
this
project
go
ahead.
It
says
nothing
one
way
or
another
about
future
cases.
And
again
I
just
say
this
is
a
very
odd
property
city.
Engineering
staff
has
spent
an
enormous
amount
of
time
on
it
and
really
looked
at
it
carefully.
It's
gone
through
two
rounds
of
review
and
board
of
public
works,
so
I
I
really
think
this
is
something
that
we
could
either
say
at
the
minimum.
G
We
can
say
it
has
no
effect
on
the
comprehensive
plan,
but
I
think
on
the
other
end,
we
could
even
say
that
it's
been
carefully
vetted
by
city
staff
and
it
does
remove
a
car
from
the
street
and
puts
it
in
private
property.
On
a
street
where
you
know
having
one
car
gone,
makes
a
big
difference,
because
that
street
is
so
narrow
and
windy.
For
example,
in
the
winter
when
they're
plowing
having
one
car
off
the
street
actually
makes
a.
C
Difference
mitch,
I
want
to
come
back
to
you
to
see
how
you're
feeling
about
that
feedback.
H
Yeah
I
mean
I
I
get
it.
It
seems
like
a
particular
circumstance.
I'm
I'm
not
moved
one
way
or
the
other
that's
been
vetted
so
intensely.
I
don't
really
don't
care,
it's
really.
What
we're
looking
at
in
terms
of
a
project-
and
I
one
thing
I'm
noticing-
is
a
stair
step
in
the
sidewalk-
is
that
existing
or
is
that
also
being
built,
because
that
reduces
accessibility
for
somebody
walking
on
the
sidewalk?
G
And
that's
the
vetting
I
mean
so
they've
gone
and
looked
at
a
zillion
ways.
There
is
either
going
to
be
stare
there
or
stare
a
little
further
up
on
the
sidewalk,
so
it
has
to
do
with
the
way
the
grade
fits.
You
know
again,
I
I
don't
think
it's
really
in
the
board,
this
board's
an
interest,
but
there's
a
lot
of
engineering
issues
that
went
in
there
and
it's
the
only
question
of
where
the
stair
goes.
G
G
It's
only
a
question
of
whether
they
hit
a
stair
a
little
bit
sooner
before
the
last
house,
or
a
little
bit
later
before
the
last
house,
but
there's
going
to
be
a
stair
and
again
you
really
have
to
go
and
look
at
the
site
and
look
at
the
very
unique
great
issues.
The
other
thing
to
consider
is
at
that
site.
The
curb
is
about
two
feet
high,
so
it's
not
a
normal
curve
but
because
of
the
radiation
of
the
street,
it's
more
like
a
wall.
G
You
know,
and
so
you
know
it's
a
very
tough
engineering
problem.
D
You
know
lukewarm
feeling,
like
I
said
among
the
board,
and
also
that
there
might
be
concerns
about
accessibility
because
of
the
stare,
but
we
understand
that
it's
a
difficult,
a
difficult
grade.
I
mean
this.
Isn't
our
decision
to
make?
I
think
that
you
know
the
bga
will
take
into
account
if
we
give
them
a
not
very
strongly
worded
letter
of
support
or
recommendation.
You
know
we
don't.
D
We
don't
necessarily
see
negative
long-term
impacts,
as
it
relates
to
the
comprehensive
plan,
perhaps
with
this,
and
we
think
it's
a
a
reasonable
solution
for
freeing
up
the
street,
but
yeah
not
having
an
accessible
sidewalk
is
a
concern
any
any.
Anyone
want
to.
I
mean
lisa,
do
you
feel
like
you,
yeah
yeah,.
A
I
think
I
mean,
I
think
that
I
would
say
you
know
normally
something
like
if
I
could
sort
of
codify
what
it
was
like.
Normally,
you
wouldn't
seek
to
approve
any
front
yard
parking,
but
on
this
unique
site
on
this
unique
street,
it's
it
is
an
advantage
and
then
I
could
just
list
all
the
other
comments.
I
heard
that
occasionally
you
do
give
a
recommendation.
That
is
not
unanimous
and
has
you
know,
ways
different
things
and
I
think
that's
fine.
A
C
G
I
don't
want
to
go
too
long
in
this,
but
I
you
know,
I
guess
I
just
not
sure
I
characterize
it
as
as
lukewarm
and
maybe
I'm
miss
hearing
the
room,
but
the
the
one.
You
know
the
the
one
concern
I've
heard
is
about
precedent
setting,
but
the
language
of
the
bza
explicitly
expressly
says
that
there
is
no
precedent
setting.
So
that's
I
mean.
G
It
can't
it
can't
be
a
concern
about
precedent
and
then
the
other
concern
I'm
hearing
is
about
ada
and
I
can
just
assure
you
it's
been
looked
at
every
which
way
that
site
will
be
ada
non-compliant,
no
matter
how
you
do
it.
So
if
you
get
rid
of
the
step,
then
you're
going
to
have
an
incline.
That's
that's
so
that's
way
over
the
maximum
incline,
so
there's
simply
no
way
to
do
it.
G
So
it's
not
as
if
there's
an
ada
compliance
site,
that's
being
made
non-ada
compliant,
it's
just
a
matter
of
it's
it's
non-compliant
now
and
it
will
be
non-compliant,
but
what
we're
doing
is
getting
to
a
slightly
better
solution
that
takes
one
car
off
the
street.
So
again,
I'm
maybe
I'm
mishearing
the
room,
but
you
know
I
think
at
worst.
We
could
be
totally
agnostic
about
this
to
say
and
say
that
it
has
no
impact
on
the
comprehensive
plan,
but
I
don't
think
there's
really
a
negative
on
it.
But
again
maybe
I'm
misunderstanding.
D
H
No,
no
I'm
pretty
good.
I
mean
I
mean
I
guess
for
me
it's
just
what
you're,
comparing
the
trade-off
is
allowing
parking
in
the
front
yard
of
a
building
which
you
know.
I
go
back
to
the
broader
point
which
we're
trying
to
not
do
versus
taking
a
car
off
a
particular
street
that
I
don't
underst.
You
know
I
don't
know
what
the
the
data
is
behind.
Removing
one
car
from
cascadilla
park
road,
how
many
cars
parked
there
during
the
winter
what
the
parking
regulations
are
during
plowing.
You
know
like.
H
I,
don't
really
understand
the
benefit
cost
benefit
of
allowing
a
private
property
owner
to
exacerbate
a
really
big
front
yard
setback,
condition
versus
taking
a
car
off
a
road.
I
I,
and
so
I
guess,
garrick
if
you're
asking
us
to
decide
based
on
the
vetting
and
you're
saying
you
know
it's
been
looked
at
and
then
I
guess
that's
what
I
mean
we'll
trust
you
and
go
with
that,
and-
and
you
know
I
I
removed
the
lukewarm
adjective
to
it
and
I
can
say
yeah.
We
support
that.
But
I
don't
I'm
not
there.
So.
G
G
B
E
I
think
if
this
were
just
an
argument
of
a
property
owner
wanting,
you
know
a
private
spot
off
the
street,
I
would
be
less
inclined
to
support
it,
but
the
fact
that
it
gets
a
little
bit
of
dpw
support
getting
off
the
street.
I
mean
I
agree
with
you
mitch.
I
don't
know
the
data
but
having
driven
up
and
down
that
in
the
winter.
Also,
I
always
worry.
I'm
gonna
just
knock
into
somebody,
so
I
think
getting
one
car
off
the
street
from
a
non
from
person
who
doesn't
live.
E
L
I'm
not
sure
if
that's
a
advantage
in
general,
I
don't
like
additional
curb
cuts
in
residential
areas,
because
you're
benefiting
one
resident
and
when
that
car
you
know
if,
if
that
person
is
not
there,
then
that
parking
spot
is
not
available
for
the
general
community
or
public,
so
you're,
making
like
you're
privatizing
the
street
so
and-
and
this
is
relative
to
like
urban
design
best
practices,
so
in
general
I
would
not
be
supportive
of
this
kind
of
application.
L
Regardless
of
settings,
you
know
precedence
or
it's
just
not.
I
don't
think
it's
good
for
room
planning
with
design
so
yeah,
that's
my
feeling.
I
would
not
be
supportive
of
recommendation
to
the
bza
for
this
project
for
this
change.
Yeah.
F
Oh,
you
know
I
feel
about
parking.
Well,
you
know
I
can.
I
can
certainly
see
both
perspectives,
that
this
is
certainly
a
request
for
individual
relief,
and
I
can
also
see
the
perspective
of
you
know
removing
what
is
essentially
shared
parking
to.
In
essence,
you
know
take
that
you
know
off
the
off
the
street
and
and
as
elizabeth
is
saying,
you
know
privatize
that
that
said,
I'm
certainly
inclined
to
listen
to
the
recommendation
of
the
liaison
to
the
board
of
public
works.
D
Thank
you,
everybody.
I
wasn't
expecting
there
to
be
such
a
rich
conversation
around
this.
I
sort
of
I
stand
by
my
statement
that
I
don't
think
we
have
unanimous
like
support
or
dissent
on
either
side.
I
do
you
know
I
think
that
there's
a
little
bit
of
wishy-washy
feeling
about
it
but
lisa.
I
trust
you
to
say
what
we've
all
said
garrick.
D
I
do
trust
that
the
city
has
vetted
it
many
times
and
it's
the
best
solution
possible
within
this
realm
of
solution
finding
and
I
trust
the
bza
to
ultimately
make
the
decision
that
they
see
most
of
it
for
the
for
the
neighborhood
and
for
the
property
owners.
So
thanks
for
that,
and
I'm
I'm
happy
when
things
that
seem
simple
end
up
getting
our
urban
planning
gear
is
really
turning
so
I'll
call
this
one
complete
for
the
evening.
I
think
you
have
what
you
need
lisa.
Thank
you.
D
L
L
State,
oh
yes,
I
mike
stewart
is
a
colleague
of
mine
and
I
feel
that
I
am
not
able
to
be
impartial.
I
do
probably
most
cornell
projects
as
I
work
with
the
construction
group
and
project
management
group.
So
good
luck.
D
And
I
believe
we
still
have
quorum
for
voting
anyway.
Okay,
so
we've
got
a
few
different
things
that
we're
going
to
be
discussing
tonight.
Declaration
of
lead
agency.
There
will
be
a
public
hearing,
we're
going
to
talk
about
environmental
significance
and
approval
of
the
special
permit
so
before
we
get
into
any
of
those
things,
michael
and
leslie.
If
you
could
please
introduce
yourselves
in
the
project
that
would
be
great
and
then
we'll
take
it
from
there.
M
D
Yeah,
I
was
just
asking
you
actually
to
introduce
yourself
and
then
and
then
to
give
us
a
brief
introduction
to
the
project
and
we
can
kind
of
go
through
our
to-do
list.
M
I
I
did,
I
made
a
couple
slides
because
that's
what
we
do
at
cornell,
and
so
my
name
is
mike
stewart.
I
am
a
project
manager
for
cornell,
specifically
student
in
campus
life,
which
encompasses
housing,
dining
athletics
and
various
support
services
and
we're
here
to
to
request
a
special
permit
for
223
thirst
and
have,
and
it's
currently
a
vacant,
r2
residential
apartment
use
and
we're
requesting
a
special
permit
for
use,
as
required
by
an
ru
zone,
to
use
as
administrative
support
offices
for
for
educational
purpose.
M
M
Okay,
great
so,
like
I
said,
requesting
a
special
use
permit
for
thirsting
port,
and
this
is
the
location
relative
to
other
buildings
on
north
campus,
it's
just
west
of
balch
and
risley
and
anacomstock,
and
about
a
block
and
a
half
west
from
the
undergraduate
admissions
office
and
here's
a
photo
of
the
site
and
the
building
it
was
built
in
1932
and
it's
in
the
cornell
heights,
historic
district.
M
That's
the
west
facade
that
faces
the
parking
lot
and
thurston
ave
is
to
your
left,
so
the
existing
use.
So
it's
been
vacant.
Since
july
of
last
year
there
were
22
apartments
which
would
house
a
maximum
of
44
residents,
and
I
apologize
lisa.
I
think
in
my
response
to
your
letter
I
said
48,
the
correct
number
should
be
44.
M
and
it
is
in
an
ru
zone
which
allows
this
use
the
proposed
use
by
special
permit.
The
existing
parking
lot
has
24
spaces,
and
one
of
the
issues
that
led
us
here
is
for
continued
residential
use.
We
would
have
had
to
made
and
make
hvac
upgrades
that
were
cost
prohibitive
and
that
was
per
the
property
maintenance.
M
M
And
the
proposal
is
to
convert
it
to
an
office
use
the
most
employees
I
could
see
being
housed.
There
would
be
approximately
60
we're
not
proposing
large
interior
renovations.
J
M
Are
more
spaces
available
at
adjacent
properties,
helen
newman,
risley
and
anacomstock,
lots
that
are
available
and
and
also
the
the
rest
of
the
lots
through
cornell's
demand
management
program?
M
M
M
There
would
also
be
minor
changes
in
the
path
of
travel
for
the
sidewalk,
and
there
would
also
be
creation
of
one
ada
parking
spot
and
an
adjacent
access
aisle.
So
the
final
lot
would
have
23
spots,
we'd
be
losing
one
for
the
ada
access
aisle
and
that
would
still
be
within
what's
required
for
the
square
footage
of
the
building
for
office
use
per
the
zoning
requirements.
M
M
So
this
is
a
diagram
of
the
approximate
layout
and
impact,
and
then
there
is
also
so
I
wanted
to
state
this
in
full
disclosure.
There
is
a
tree
that,
as
we
were
scoping
out
the
side
that
the
ramp
project,
it
is
dropping
limbs
and
it's
adjacent
to
a
sidewalk,
but
on
cornell
property
that
we
would
be
removing
in
the
future.
M
Again
whether
or
not
the
the
ramp
project
goes
forward.
D
Awesome,
thank
you
michael
probably
stop
sharing
your
screen
for
now,
so
we
can
see
each
other
a
little
bit
easier.
D
Do
anything
to
add
to
the
presentation
before
I
go
to
staff
and
okay
awesome.
Thank
you.
So
before
we
declare
a
lead
agency
lisa,
I
just
want
to
ask
you
about
the
process
of
a
special
permit,
because
we
are
approving
this
we're
not
necessarily
approving
any
changes
that
would
be
made,
but
we
can
trust
other
bodies
like
ilpc
or
city
staff,
to
work
on
the
ada,
accessible
ramp
and
so
on
and
so
forth.
J
A
That's
right
right
so
for
you
in
the
general
public
yeah
special
permits
are
required
for
uses
that
are
allowed
by
right
in
zoning,
but
they
also
they
require
a
special
extra
level
of
review
because
they
potentially
may
have
impacts
so
there's
a
whole
category
of
uses
that
are
like
that
and
they're
in
different
in
different
zones.
You've
done
them
before
for
bed
and
breakfast
and
other
things
this
particular
one
is
a
use,
is
a
is
a
that's
categorized
as
a
school
use
in
a
residential
zone.
D
Thank
you
all
right,
so
let's
do
a
round
of
feedback
from
the
board.
I
will
start
with
you
cj.
That's
all
right!.
H
Yeah
I
walk
by
this
building
often,
and
I
think
this
is
a
great
change
in
use.
It
feels
like
it'll,
have
more
daytime
activity
if
the
parking
lot
gets
repaved.
That
would
be
nice
part
of
it.
I
think
the
ramp
looks
right,
glad
you're,
talking
to
brian
about
the
project
and
yeah.
No
other
comments,
maybe
there'll
be
some
new
signage.
You
could
tell
us
about
at
some
point
and
no,
I
think
it's
a
it's
a
good
change
and
I
don't
think
it
will
impact
the
residential
areas
greatly.
D
I'm
sorry
that
I
didn't
have
us
vote
on
lead
agency
before
we
started
discussing
it.
So
let's
do
that
and
then
we'll
get
back
into
our
round.
Pardon
me:
does
anyone
move
that
the
planning
and
development
board
be
lead
agents
on
this
mitch.
J
D
It
and
garrett
seconds
it
all
in
well:
no
emily
yay
or
nay.
E
H
D
Great
thank
you
and
I
also
vote
yay
on
being
lead
agents.
Thanks
for
that,
and
let's
go
back
into
our
feedback,
emily.
E
Thank
you.
The
fact
that
the
office
of
admissions
is
across
the
street
essentially,
I
think,
makes
this
a
compatible
use
for
the
neighborhood
and
hopefully
gives
daytime
business
to
like
the
food
trucks
and
other
establishments
on
north
campus.
So
I
agree,
you
know,
I
think
it's
a
great
use
and
I
support
it.
D
I
also
agree
that
this
is
a
perfect
reuse
of
what
we've
got
already.
There
are
no
other
questions
or
comments
on
that.
Should
we
move
on
to
the
negative
declaration,
which
is
our
gray
resolution
and
there's
a
part
one,
which
is
all
that
we
need
to
go
through
right
lisa.
This
is:
is
this
a
type,
not
a
type
two
type
one?
This.
A
Is
a
type
one
action?
I
know
it's
weird
right.
It's
a
type
one
action,
because
it's
in
a
historic
district
and
it
wasn't
there
was
no,
it
didn't
fit
into
any
clearly
into
any
type
two
category.
So
it's
a
type
one
action,
but
I
didn't
do
a
part
three.
I
just
did
a
part
two.
So.
D
Okay,
do
you
folks
feel
the
need
to
go
through
it
piece
by
piece
or
do
we?
I
see
no
one
thinks
so
anyone
have
any
questions
or
comments
about
seeker
on
this
project.
What
would
you
read
now
it
doesn't
look
like
any
comments
or
questions
okay,
so
I
will
do
a
round
of
voting
on
this
negative
declaration.
D
D
Move
it
I'm
sorry
too
yeah
anyone
want
to
move
it
emily
moves
it,
who
seconds
mitch.
Thank
you,
okay,
so,
and
now
we
can
vote
on
it
right
now
that
it's
open,
do
it.
Okay,
emily.
E
N
D
E
D
M
D
N
D
D
Okay,
thanks
team,
thanks
for
sticking
it
out,
there
were
a
lot
of
things
to
do
there
and
do
we
have
our
gateway
property
applicants
with
us.
Yet
in
the
waiting
room.
O
D
J
D
There
might
be
one
of
you
with
a
youtube
live
stream
still
on
if
you
could
pause
or
mute
that
as
we
while
you're
in
the
zoom
call.
That
would
be
helpful
and
elizabeth.
Thank
you
for
coming
back
anya.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
texting,
her
okay.
We've
got
everybody
with
us.
Then,
let's
start
with
the
project
team,
providing
any
high
level
project
updates
that
might
be
related
to
us
going
through
the
seeker.
D
Our
main
goal
tonight
would
be
to
kind
of
get
into
the
weeds
of
environmental
significance,
and
we
will
also
be
discussing
a
recommendation
to
the
bza
so.
O
Thank
you
very
much
yeah,
so
brian
bouchard,
with
cha
consulting
project
engineer
also
with
us,
is
jeff
giffins
the
applicant,
and
we
have
the
architectural
team
with
tim,
fish
and
donnie
kim
really,
since
the
last
meeting,
the
only
things
that
we've
submitted
back
to
the
city
were
some
clarifications
regarding
the
part
three
review
and
some
of
the
questions
that
we've
answered
for
that,
that
was
all
provided
to
lisa
and,
I
think,
was
memorialized
within
the
part
three
review
document
that
we
are
prepared
to
listen
to
your
discussion
and
answer
or
clarify
any
questions
that
you
might
have
as
we
do
go
through
it,
because
it
is
quite
a
long
document.
O
So
if
you
need
anything
else
from
us,
we
can
answer
it
along
the
way,
otherwise,
we're
ready
to
get
started.
D
A
I
was
wondering
if
the
the
board
would
be
interested
interested
in
looking
at
a
drawing
of
the
easements,
because
that
was
new
information
that
was
provided.
We
haven't
really
discussed.
We
discussed
it
in
project
review
committee,
but
not
the
full
board,
and
it
is
in
the
environmental
review.
If
you
want
to
see
the
easements,
they
could
show
those
to
you.
C
O
Yeah
I
can,
I
can
screen,
share
really
quick.
We
did
go
through
it
with
the
prc,
so
let
me
I
believe
I
have
the
ability
to
share
that
with
you
all.
O
So
this
is
the
existing
condition
survey
where
we've
highlighted
each
one
of
the
individual
easements,
and
I
have
a
couple
other
figures
that
I
can
show
you
very
quickly
currently
within
the
center
of
the
site.
There's
an
existing
drainage
easement
to
the
benefit
of
the
city
which
collects
drainage
from
the
right-of-way
and
conveys
that
drainage
through
the
center
of
the
site
and
discharges
through
a
bulkhead
within
the
six
mile
creek
wall.
This
is
in
the
location
of
the
proposed
building
and
within
our
new
utility
plans.
O
We've
proposed
to
permit,
with
the
new
york
state
d.o.t
a
rerouting
of
this
drainage
easement
that
would
go
down
east
state
street
and
connect
with
the
existing
drainage
system
at
the
existing
driveway.
So
we
would
be
constructing
this
as
part
of
the
project
relocating
that
drainage
and
we've
provided
the
capacity
analysis
and
stormwater
report
to
the
city
engineer,
but
because
there
is
no
easement
that
covers
the
existing
drainage
pipe
through
the
driveway.
That
does
discharge
to
the
creek.
O
We
would
be
offering
a
new
newly
proposed
easement
to
cover
that
drainage,
conveyance
and
relocation
of
that
easement.
So
that's
one
which
I've
shown
here:
the
abandonment
of
the
existing
drainage
easement
and
the
proposed
drainage
easement.
That
would
convey
that
there's
also
within
the
existing
map,
a
joint
right-of-way
for
pedestrian
access,
which
is
a
very
small
five-foot
strip
of
land
that
is
along
the
north
part
of
our
east
wing
of
our
building.
O
It's
really
not
traversable
at
this
point
and
it
would
be
behind
the
building
and
topography
really
makes
it
unusable,
so
we're
proposing
to
vacate
that
existing
pedestrian
easement
in
collaboration
with
extending
you
know
the
pedestrian
access
off
the
east
end
of
the
site
and
the
discussion
that
we've
had
for
alpha
phi
alpha's
memorial
to
have
that
stair
access
there
so
proposing
vacating
that
pedestrian
easement
that
exists,
there's
also
a
need
for
the
building
to
retain
the
earth
that
is
just
below
the
existing
city's
retaining
wall,
and
this
is
more
of
a
constructability
issue
for
our
building,
which
I'll
show
this
figure
for
this
is
an
isometric
view
of
the
lagging
wall.
O
That's
here
we
would
be
requesting,
through
the
city,
a
proposed
easement,
to
occupy
a
portion
of
that
city
property
with
the
necessary
tie
backs
that
won't
conflict
with
the
city's
wall.
That
will
be
proper
to
structurally
support
our
site.
Retaining
wall,
which
is
shown
in
plan
view
here
again
you're
familiar
with
the
site.
So
this
is
the
west
wing
of
the
building
in
the
east
wing
of
the
building,
and
the
blue
lines
are
the
new
city
wall
and
their
construction,
and
then
this
thick
dark
line,
that's
up
against
the
building.
O
Is
our
site
retaining
wall
again
just
to
make
sure
that
we
don't
undermine
the
city's
wall,
and
these
small
black
lines
that
extend
up
to
the
north
would
be
just
off
of
our
property,
which
is
this
line
that
you
see
here?
So
the
tie
backs
would
go
into
the
city
property
and
we're
working
with
the
city
to
provide
or
to
obtain
an
easement
for
those
tie
backs,
and
this
is
basically
the
section
view
of
that
where
you
can
see
that
this
is
the
section
view
that
shows
our
retaining
wall.
O
And
then
these
are
the
tie
back
anchors
that
would
go
into
the
city's
property
to
support
the
excavation,
that's
needed
within
that
hillside
adjacent
to
the
city's
wall,
so
just
to
go
back
to
the
plan
drainage
relocation
in
order
to
convey
drainage
in
a
appropriate
manner
to
the
creek
vacating,
the
existing
easement
and
providing
a
new
easement
to
the
city,
the
pedestrian
easement,
which
hasn't
been
utilized
and
is
kind
of
unmanageable
behind
the
building
within
that
sloped
area,
and
then
the
tie
back
easement
that
would
be
in
the
location
of
our
retaining
wall.
D
When
get
to
there,
maybe
more
questions
lisa.
A
L
O
I
believe
they
would
run
with
the
land,
so
you
know
we
have
coordinated
with
the
city.
I'm
not
sure
that
there's
an
actual
time
frame
that's
been
established
with
that.
Typically
they
would,
they
would
run
with
the
land.
I'm
not
sure
they
expire
unless
lisa
or
jeff
has
any
other
input
on
that.
D
Later,
do
I
have
a
motion
resolution?
I
see
elizabeth
moves
it
and
we
seconds
it
right.
So
let's
we've
seen
this
before,
but
we
have
new
information
and
there
might
still
be
some
pieces
that
we
wanted
to
learn.
So,
let's
take
some
time
tonight,
look
through
it
and
lisa
has
highlighted.
Do
you
want
to?
Let
us
know
what
the
green
and
blue
highlights
mean
is
that
where
we've
gotten
more
information
since
last
time.
A
But
they
were
an
organizing
principle
before
and
then
I
removed
the
key
to
what
they.
E
A
A
May
have
new
information
and
yeah,
and
I
have
highlighted
a
few
places
in
the
document
where
they
need
particular
documentation.
D
Okay,
thank
you,
yeah
and
just
to
give
the
board
a
little
bit
of
overview
and
lisa,
and
I
met
before
the
meeting
tonight
certain
things
that
we
discussed
that
we'll
want
to
get
to
are
the
easements,
as
we
just
mentioned,
pile
driving,
a
parking,
relocation
plan,
community
plans
and
character
and
an
engineering
approval
plan,
and
something
that
I
also
just
want
to
bring
up
to
orient
us.
This
particular
project
has
we've
received
a
lot
of
feedback
that
the
massing
seems
too
large.
D
It
seems
like
too
big
of
a
building,
and
so
this
is
an
opportunity
for
us
to
make
sure
that
any
mitigations
to
that
can
be
made
by
the
applicants.
So
keep
that
in
mind
as
we're
going
through
that
we
we
want
to
be
balancing
any
anything
that
we
see
as
detrimental
to
the
community
with
things
that
are
going
to
benefit
the
community,
and
so
this
is
our.
This
is
our
place
to
do
that.
Keep
vote.
Keep
that
in
mind
please!
So,
let's
just
go
through
one
page.
At
a
time.
D
We've
we've
seen
a
lot
of
it,
but
go
ahead
and
just
we,
our
all
of
our
eyes,
will
be
down
so
go
ahead
and
just
speak
up.
If,
even
when
you
get
to
a
spot,
we
want
to
discuss
and
sorry
to
our
viewers
for
the
less
than
exciting
movement.
Here,
it's
like
a
commercial
break.
A
I
have
something
on
page
two
great
so
we
have
received.
Thank
you
very
much
information,
geocheck
information
and
information
about
pile
driving,
but
there's
not
any
information
about
the
type
of
pile
driving
and
some
pile
driving
is
less
impactful
than
other
types.
Some
of
it's
pounded
and
some
of
it's
like
an
auger
type
thing.
So
can
you
describe
the
kind
of
pile
driving
and
the
duration.
O
O
So
they
are
deep
rock
bearing
steel,
driven,
hp,
piles
and,
as
part
of
our
materials
that
we've
provided
to
you.
You
know:
we've
described
that
the
depth
varies
significantly
to
rock
throughout
the
site,
so
some
of
the
piles
will
be.
You
know,
10
feet
deep
and
and
a
portion
of
the
building
will
actually
be
a
typical
spread
footing,
but
in
the
areas
where
the
piles
will
be
driven,
they
vary
between
10
feet
and
70
feet.
O
Should
there
be
a
an
access
and
a
threshold
of
any
vibrations
within
either
the
existing
city
wall?
That's
being
constructed
the
existing
creek
wall,
that's
being
constructed
or
thresholds
off
of
the
property
to
the
adjacent
properties.
So
it
is
a
method,
that's
required.
In
order
to
support
the
building.
Other,
you
know,
drive
drilled,
piles,
aren't
capable
of
supporting
the
building
based
on
the
subsoil
conditions
that
we
have
and
we've
put
in
place,
the
necessary
monitoring
plan
to
mitigate
any
of
the
impacts
associated
with
the
pile
driving.
L
O
O
You
know
the
construction
documents
that
outline
that
in
detail,
but
again
the
the
concern
is
to
make
sure
that
you
know-
and
this
this
is
very
typical
of
any
construction
project,
that's
adjacent
to
existing
structures,
so
documenting
things
that
are
in
the
existing
state
and
making
sure
that
you
know
if
there's
cracks
in
the
existing
wall,
that
those
are
documented
and
monitored
throughout
construction,
along
with
the
the
site
monitoring.
So
there
would
be
a
plan
in
place
to
stop
construction
and
make
sure
that
construction
wouldn't
proceed
until
the
concern
can
be
addressed.
D
A
D
The
the
reports,
the
like
pre-during
and
post
reports
of
foundational
cracks
and
things
I
would
hope,
are
something
that
could
be
shared
with
the
city.
Wonderful.
O
Along
with
the
monitoring
plan
itself
and
in
part
of
the
material
that
I
did
submit
back
to
lisa
today,
obviously
will
stay
within
the
the
hours
of
operation
that
are
allowed
for
the
city,
so
there
wouldn't
be
any
extended
hours
that
we'd
be
requesting
for
that,
and
we've
also
provided
the
approximate
timeline
for
those
construction
activities
which
is
scheduled
for
the
late
part
of
september
to
start
taking
about
40
days
to
complete
and
being
completed
within
7
30
to
5
pm
within
the
city's
noise
ordinance.
F
Is
there
another
method
for
the
piles
beyond
this
method.
O
No
so
again,
we've
we've
split
up
the
building
as
best
we
could
based
on
feasibility.
So
there
is
some
where
the
rock
is
shallow,
which
is
the
northwest
portion
of
the
site.
That'll,
be
a
typical
spread
footing
that
can
bear
right
on
rock
and
then
based
on
the
geotech
report
and
the
exploratory
borings
that
we
took.
O
There
are
some
obstructions,
whether
it
be
rock
or
hard
pan,
soils
that
are
prohibitive
to
drilled
piles,
which
would
be
the
alternative
to
cast
those
within
a
drilled
casing,
but
we
wouldn't
be
able
to
get
the
same
depth
that
we
would
need
to
support
the
building
with
those.
So
we've
broken
up
the
site
as
best
we
could
to
limit
the
impacts
and
the
driven
piles
are
what's
needed
to
support
the
building.
So
we
did
look
at
that,
though
cj.
H
Can
I
have
a
clarification
on
impact
on
groundwater?
Page
four?
I
guess
I
didn't
notice
this
one
before
due
to
the
long
commercial
industrialization
site,
there's
potential
that
subsurface
contamination
may
be
encountered
during
construction.
I'm
just
wondering
what
the
process
is
like.
How
do
you
know
that
who's
monitoring
it
and
how
does
it
get
resolved?
H
In
the
face
too
right,
but
so
so
is
the
answer
that
that
it's
not
expected
then
correct.
O
O
There
was
potential
and
that
you
know,
we've
performed
the
both
the
phase,
one,
which
is
a
desktop
study
for
the
environmental
site
assessment
and
in
august
2020.
The
phase
two,
which
did
the
sam,
the
necessary
sampling
and
laboratory
analysis,
and
they
all
came
back
that
there
was
no
further
investigation
or
active
remediation
or
site
management
plans
that
were
needed
to
mitigate
any
concerns.
So
those
reports
were
submitted
to
the
city
for
our
file
as
well.
H
D
We
on
page
six
through
through
eight,
I
want
to
pay
close
attention
to
impact
on
aesthetic
resources,
given
that
the
you
know
this,
this
building
being
a
prominent
view
shed
is,
has
been
a
topic
of
a
lot
of
public
feedback,
so
you
know
taking
note
especially
towards
the
bottom
of
page
seven
about
how
we
feel
we
are
balancing
those
factors
if
we
are
missing
or
editable
mitigations.
D
C
C
L
O
Yeah
sure
so,
obviously
you
know
we
started
this
process
quite
a
long
time
ago
with
the
architectural
drawings
that
were
initially
submitted,
and
you
know
just
acknowledged
that
the
board
has
had
a
lot
of
feedback,
and
I
think
it
was
all
positive
feedback.
You
know,
we've
submitted
numerous
iterations
of
the
building
that
have
dealt
with
both
the
mass
and
scale
and
the
architectural
features
that
have
been
captured
at
the
board's
request
to
you
know
mitigate
the
mass
and
scale
of
the
building
and
provide
certain
architectural
features
that
diminish
that
scale.
O
All
the
way
down
to
you
know
things
like
the
the
height
of
the
parapets
and
some
things
that
we've
done
to
actually
reduce
the
height
of
the
stair
enclosure
and
some
of
the
things
that
are
at
the
roof
line.
Various
finishes
where
we've
provided
numerous
renderings
that
show
you
know
the
previous
iterations
of
the
architecture
side
by
side
with
the
new
architecture,
so
that
the
board
could
accurately
see
what
had
changed
and
what
those
perceived
benefits
were
to
the
facade
of
the
building.
O
You
know,
along
with
that,
we
definitely
got
into
some
of
the
the
fire
lane
access
and
reducing
its
width
so
that
we
could
provide
more
green
space
up
against
the
building,
while
still
be
cognizant
of
different
firefighting
apparatus.
That
chief
parsons
had
guide
us
through
his
ability
to
reach
the
building,
and
still
you
know,
address
any
emergencies.
O
You
know
things
like
the
color,
the
color
palettes,
different
architectural
treatments
along
the
various
ins
and
outs
of
the
building
and
the
fenestrations.
O
You
know
the
state
street
facade
with
a
home
and
an
entrance
along
there,
and
you
know
just
generally
the
the
perception
of
all
the
renderings
that
we've
had
from
different
points
of
view
and
how
it
will
be
perceived
was
a
very
lengthy
and
iterative
process,
both
from
the
architect's
creativity
and
a
lot
of
input
from
the
board.
So
I
know
that
we've
kind
of
settled
in
on
the
design
that
I
think
had
addressed
all
those
concerns-
and
you
know
obviously
tim
and
donnie-
are
on
the
line.
O
If
there's
something
more
specific
that
comes
to
mind
elizabeth,
but
definitely
a
long
process
that
has
gotten
us
to
this
point
and
has
drastically
changed
the
look
and
feel
of
the
building
since
the
first
iteration
that
we
provided
a
long
time
ago,.
P
Yeah,
can
I
add
to
that
brian,
the,
if
you
didn't.
P
Pin
but
the
the
reduction
in
the
fire
lane
from
26
feet
to
20
feet
was,
you
know,
a
considerable
improvement
over
the
initial
designs
and
allowed
for
additional
landscaping
and
buffering,
where
we've
now
split,
that
with
three
feet:
additional
to
the
creek
and
three
feet:
additional
to
the
building
side.
Just
to
reduce
the
you
know,
the
scale
and
impact
of
the
fire
lane
on
you
know
the
creek
side
of
the
of
the
building.
L
Answer,
I
feel
like
a
lot
of
the
changes
you
made.
Aesthetically
are
just
general
planning
board
requests.
I
don't
think
there
are
really
mitigations
to
respond
to
the
fact
that
the
building
is
too
dense.
As
far
as
the
six
feet,
I'm
not
sure
that
that
really
addressed
the
density.
I
was
looking
for
mitigations
that
would
add
to
the
community
because
of
that
density
and
other
many
other
features
that
you've
created
as
an
extra.
You
know,
I
feel,
like
I'm
not
hearing
that
you've
really
made
too
many
mitigations.
O
Yeah,
so
I
mean,
I
guess
just
to
go
all
the
way
back
right.
This
is
the
cbd60
district.
It
allows
for
100
lot
coverage,
which
is
you
know
something
that
you'd
see
500
feet
away
with
some
of
the
recent
projects
on
green
street,
but
we
do
have
the
benefit
of
being
on
the
creek
and
wanted
to
make
sure
that
you
know
not
only.
We
maintain
that
creek
walk
trail
but
provide
a
new
destination
for
it
and
continue
it
through
the
site
so
definitely
well
within.
O
I
think
the
density
and
what
I
was
trying
to
I
guess
just
mention-
was
that
you
know
there
was
a
vision
of
the
project
for
the
architect
in
the
beginning
and
that,
as
we
have
heard
the
comments
from
the
board,
we
have
addressed
them
down
to
even
the
the
finer
details
of
of
what
the
board's
input
for
mass
and
scow
was
and
have
provided
all
the
feedback,
and
you
know
visualizations
and
renderings
that
were
needed
to
capture
what
the
building
would
look
like.
O
So,
together
with,
I
guess,
what's
allowed
and
what
we're
trying
to
preserve
with
the
walking
trail
and
the
public
amenities
that
are
on
the
site
and
making
best
use
of
them
off
to
the
east
of
the
site
and
the
building
design.
You
know,
I
don't
feel
we've
left
a
lot
out
there
that
we
haven't
been
able
to
address,
at
least
at
this
point.
J
P
I
would
add
brian
if,
if
you
don't
mind
that
you
know
the
parking
discussion
where
we
reduce
parking
considerably
in
the
later
iterations,
and
then
we
have
structured
a
shared
parking
arrangement
such
that
the
public
benefit
is
that
there
were.
J
P
Of
our
spaces
available
after
hours
for
anyone-
and
you
know,
we
thought
that
was
a
great
value
to
desire
the
city
and,
given
you
know,
the
parking
challenges
that
exist
in
downtown
ithaca,
you
know
we
were
able
to
kind
of
maintain
the
parking
count
in
a
lesser
account,
but
then
provide
those
spaces
that
were
not
used.
You
know,
after
business
hours
to
you,
know
the
general
public
and
you
know
so.
P
I
think
this
is
a
a
good
benefit
to
the
city,
along
with
the
other
extensions
of
the
trail
along
the
property
and
then
also
on
to
the
city's
property.
D
While
we're
on
this
topic
of
you
know
aesthetic
resources
and
mitigations
due
to
mass
and
size,
I
mean
this
is,
I
think,
gonna
be
a
big
big
portion
of
what
we
talk
about
going
through
part
three
tonight.
Let's
do
a
round
of
feedback
based
on
what
we've
heard
from
the
applicant
so
far
and
what
is,
in
the
part
three
and
and
let's
keep
in
mind
like
if
we
feel
that
there
are
mitigations
missing.
If
we
feel
as
if
certain
things
haven't
been
addressed,
then
we
should
talk
about
that
lisa.
I
see
your
hand.
A
Oh,
I
just
wanted
to
mention,
and
it
might
not
be
obvious
as
you're
reading
through
that,
like
the
the
section
on
historic
resources
actually
is
quite
more
detailed
about
the
specific
mitigations
because
they're
responding
to
each.
So
that's
also
a
reference
point
as
you
right.
D
D
H
Are
you
asking
about
the
the
height
conversation
and
the
density
conversation?
Is
that.
H
H
Yeah,
no,
I
I
feel,
like
I
feel,
pretty
comfortable
with
the
project.
I
think
I've
said
it
in
the
past
and
I
you
know,
I
think
it's
related
to
the
comp
plan.
It's
you
know,
filling
a
need
for
density
around
downtown
which
is
going
to
serve
local
businesses.
It's
walkable,
we've
talked
about
this
creek
access
from
state
street,
I
think,
is
fantastic.
H
That's
a
huge
win
for
the
city
and
having
the
trail
extension
to
the
six
mile
creek
natural
area,
I
think,
is
a
big
win
for
the
city
and
the
the
reduction
in
the
width
of
the
fire
lane.
So
I
I'm
comfortable
with
the
benefits
of
this
project,
including
the
public
parking.
You
know.
I
think
there
are
some
very
good
things
happening
here
for
the
city.
It
feels
like
a
good
project.
I
do
have
some
outstanding
questions
about
the
dot,
documentation
and
the
height
variance,
but
maybe
we
can
get
into
that
in
a
bit.
D
Yeah,
let's
get
into
dot
stuff
as
we
talk
about
traffic
and
we
can
maybe
circle
back
to
height
in
general,
and
I'm
just
going
to
let
the
board
continue
their
round
of
feedback
on
this
topic
before
we
keep
moving
emily.
E
Thank
you.
I
do
feel
comfortable
with
the
mitigations
that
have
been
made
in
terms
of
to
offset
the
massing
and
scale
of
the
building.
I
have
kept
coming
back
and
questioned
that,
because
we've
gotten
feedback
from
residents
over
time,
rather
than
up
front
when
we
had,
we
were
supposed
to
have
a
you
know.
What's
it
called
the
public
hearing?
Thank
you
mackenzie,
so
that
has
trickled
in
which
has
been
unfortunate,
because
I
do
think
we've
seen
progress
every
meeting
and
I
feel
like
the
mitigations
are
substantial.
E
You
know
the
thing
that
clinches
it
for
me
is
that
this
project
would
happen
in
a
neighborhood
in
a
piecemeal
fashion,
which
would
be
more
disruptive,
I
think,
than
on
this
site,
which
has
a
history
of
industrial
use
and
large
buildings,
and
so
with
all
the
mitigations
that
are
listed
and
as
mitch
mentioned,
I
think
I
feel
comfortable
with
the
mitigations
for
the
negdec.
E
C
G
Yeah,
I
agree
fully
with
mitch
and
emily's
comments.
I
just
want
to
acknowledge.
I
I
do
hear
the
concerns
from
some
colleagues
and
from
the
public
about
the
massing.
I
I
hear
it.
I
understand
the
concern.
I
respect
the
concern.
I
just
don't
share
it.
I
don't
think
it's.
I
don't
think
the
building
is
inappropriately
large.
I
think
the
mitigations
were
substantial
and
addressed
addressed
the
issue
and
I
think,
like
mitch
and
emily.
G
You
know
it's,
it's
an
open
surface
parking
lot
right
now,
it's
a
big
pile
of
asphalt-
or
you
know,
big,
sorry,
big
sea
of
asphalt
and
it's
going
to
be
replaced
with
an
attractive
building
with
a
lot
of
public
amenities,
that'll
bring
people
to
the
water
and
let
them
explore
part
of
the
city
that
they
haven't
had
much
access
to
up
until
now
and
the
ability
to
put
a
lot
of
cars
in
a
garage
and
out
of
the
way,
I
think,
makes
a
lot
of
sense
and
the
way
the
building
is
structured
with
the
train
of
the
site,
I
think,
makes
it
look.
G
D
J
L
Their
opinion,
but
I
feel
like
it
is
a
large
mass
and
rather
than
looking
into
the
creek
and
the
hill,
we're
gonna
have
this
huge
building
in
the
way,
and
I
feel
that,
for
example,
permeable
paving
would
have
been
a
good
one,
a
more
innovative
way
to
use
that
blank
wall
in
the
back,
providing
like
a
recreational
area
in
that
space.
L
Additional
setback
by
reducing
the
number
of
units
would
have
been
nice,
maybe
more
translucent
or
more
spacing
between
the
building.
So
it's
not.
It
doesn't
read
as
much
of
a
like
a
huge
mass,
but
I'm
also
concerned
with
the
traffic.
I
don't
think
we
had
a
traffic
analysis
done
and
I'm
worried
about
how
that's
gonna
work
out,
but
I
guess
we'll
hear
more
about
that
in
the
next
things.
D
We
will
talk
about
traffic
really
soon.
We
can
speak
more
specifically
to
existent
or
non-existent
analysis
of
that.
Some
of
what
you've
mentioned
elizabeth
seems
like
it
could
still
be
things
that
we
discuss
in
site
plan
review.
So
I'm
curious,
you
know
permeable
pavement,
additional
setbacks,
I
mean
we're
nearing
the
end
of
the
you
know
the.
What
I
imagine
would
be
the
end
of
the
project,
soon
our
site
point
of
view
process.
D
So
if,
if
these
are
mitigations
that
you
feel
really
strongly
about,
we
we
might
want
to
talk
about
them
as
a
board
and
discuss
whether
or
not
we
want
to
hold
the
applicant
to
providing
them
and
discussing
them
in
site
plan
review.
It's
kind
of
do
a
temperature
check.
Are
these
things.
D
Feel
strongly
about
elizabeth,
including
in
the
part
three
right
now,
if
so
fellow
board
members
do
others
feel
that
any
of
these
mitigations
are
things
that
we
want
to
include
within
the
part
three.
As
far
as
you
know,
official
mitigations,
or
do
we
wanna,
maybe
bring
some
of
these
things
up
during
site
plan
review
garrick?
What
do
you?
What
are
you.
G
I
think
no,
I
think
it
should
be
part
of
the
environmental
review.
Okay,.
D
Okay,
emily.
D
My
question
I'll
clarify
my
question:
a
little
bit
elizabeth
just
listed
five
or
so
additional
mitigations
that
she
think
would
bring
the
project
to
you
know
negative
declaration
status
as
far
as
massing
and
setbacks
are
concerned.
D
I'm
curious
if
we
want
to
kind
of
hold
the
applicant's
like
feet
to
the
fire
with
some
of
these
without
describing
them
specifically,
I
think
we
need
to
talk
about
them
at
site
plan
review
either
way
I
mean
I
heard
garrick
and
I
heard
mitch,
and
I
heard
emily
say
that
they
generally
think
that
the
mitigations
are
sufficient.
D
So
if
you
know
if,
if
some
board
members
are
desiring
more,
our
other
board
members
opposed
to
having
stricter
mitigations
or
are
we
comfortable
with
the
mitigations
as
as
they
exist?
And
do
we
want
to
only
talk
about
some
of
these
things
during
safe.
G
Interview.
Sorry,
mr
mackenzie,
I
misunderstood
you
before,
but
I
don't.
I
don't
disagree
with
any
of
elizabeth's
proposed
mitigations,
and
so
you
know
if
the
applicant
wants
to
undertake
them.
You
know
that
would
be
great,
but
I
I
for
me
personally,
they've
they've
met
the
bar
now
about
that
about
the
transportation
I
mean
the
transportation,
I
think,
should
be
part
of
the
part
three
and
should
be
part
of
seeker
and
not
go
to
the
site
plan.
D
E
Does
that
helped?
Does
that
clarify
a
little
bit
yeah
I
mean
I
support
talking
about
them
further.
I
think
they
I
agree
with
garrett.
I
think
they
have
met
the
bar.
I
would
love
to
continue
to
talk
about
the
landscape
plan
and
and
that
in
sight,
plane
review,
but
I
would
support
elizabeth
to
talk
about
medications
further
now.
C
H
Yeah,
I
like
the
idea
of
porous,
paving
and
doing
something
in
in
the
back
that
connects
to
the
trail,
but
I
think
those
are
absolutely
things
we
should
talk
about
in
site
plan
review.
I
I
don't
think
reducing
number
of
units
increased
setbacks
is
is
where
we
are
right
now.
I
feel,
like
you
know,
we've
been
through
that
and
the
project
is
where
it's
at
and,
like
we
said,
look
what
I
said
is
I'm.
D
F
Yeah,
I
would
concur
with
these
comments.
I
guess
I'm
just
a
little
lost
on
where
exactly
we
are
in
the
seeker.
D
We
are
generally
between
pages
eight
and
ten
on
the
impact
of
historic
and
archaeological
resources.
D
Before
we
go
into
transportation,
I
think
we're
trying
to
decide
if
we
feel
that
these
are
sufficient
or
not,
and
I
think
that
the
what
I'm
sensing
is
that
the
majority
of
the
board
feels
as
if
the
mitigations
that
exist
are
sufficient,
but
that
there
are
some
topics
that
elizabeth
has
brought
up
tonight,
that
we
want
to
discuss
more
insight
plan
review.
F
Right,
okay,
so
would
they?
Why
won't
the
applicants
just
address
it
in
the
part?
Three,
I
didn't
get
your
question.
What
did
you
ask
sorry?
I
just
was
asking
why
the
applicants
wouldn't
address
the.
D
I
don't
think
it's
that
they
wouldn't.
I
think
we're
just
determining
right
now,
if
we
as
a
board,
want
to
have
additional
mitigations
to
accommodate
the
the
massing
in
the
size
of
the
building
or
if
we
are
comfortable
with
these
mitigations,
and
we
know
that
there
are
topics
that
we
will
continue
to
discuss
inside
the
interview.
D
So
lisa,
I
see
your
hand
in
one
moment.
I
just
want
to
say
elizabeth.
I
I
think
we,
I
think
a
lot
of
many
of
us
do
agree
with
some
of
these
issues
that
you're
bringing
up,
but
I'm
not
getting
the
sense
that
that
the
board
as
a
whole
feels
that
they
need
to
be
incorporated
as
part
of
the
part
three
and
that
we're
not
going
to
hold
them
as
mitigations,
but
that
we
might
discuss
things
like
permeable
pavement.
You
know
spacing
in
between
you
know.
D
There
are
certain
things
that
we
can
talk
about
inside
point
of
view,
and
so
you
do
have
the
option
of
not
voting
in
favor
of
this
negative
declaration.
Should
we
get
to
the
end
of
it
and
you
feel
as
if
we
haven't
addressed
mitigation
sufficiently
and
I'll
pause
there.
Lisa.
A
You
had
something
to
say
yeah.
I
just
wanted
to
say
that
of
the
things
that
I
heard
elizabeth
mentioned
the
blank
wall,
the
porous
paving
those
are
both
things
that
could
continue
to
get
discussed
during
site
plan
if
you're
redesigning
the
building.
If
you're
gonna
do
it,
you
know
like
adding
more,
which
I
understood
like
making
more
space
at
the
openings.
That's
a
redesign
of
the
building
that
probably
you
would
want
to.
You
would
not
be
on
great
ground
to
do
that
after
you
made
it
make
deck
just
to
let
you
know
yeah
so.
D
Go
ahead,
I
think
what
lisa
is
saying
is
that
there
are
certain
things
that
we
can
continue
to
talk
about
in
site
plan
review.
That
could
be,
you
know,
mitigating
factors
such
as
permeable
pavement,
but
other
things
like
the
number
of
units.
Once
we
vote
on
the
negative
declaration,
we're
not
going
to
change
the
size
or
the
scale
of
the
building,
and
so
this
is.
You
know
this
is
like
a
crucial
decision-making
moment.
D
I
suppose-
and
I
think
I'm
just
moving
slowly
to
make
sure
that
everyone
has
the
opportunity
to
voice
if
they're,
comfortable
or
not
comfortable
with
the
I'll
say
severity
of
mitigation
that
we
currently
have.
D
It's
not
complete,
yet
I
mean
we
do
have
some
updated
materials
and
there
are
things
that
we
might
be
able
to
add
tonight,
because
the
applicant
sent
things
to
lisa.
Today,
I
think,
is
that
right.
A
Yeah,
the
part
three
is
has
been
drafted
over
many
many
months.
You've
had
very
many
many
iterations
of
it,
including
of
these
two
sections
that
we're
discussing
now:
aesthetic
resources
and
historic
resources,
and
so
this
is
the
final
draft.
If
you
want
to
make
any
changes
to
it.
Now,
that's
what
we're
talking
about
so
you,
you
know
to
understand
it
and
if
you
want
to
make
changes,
no,
but
we
have,
through
this
time
board,
has
agreed
on
many
things
and
taken
a
certain
path.
D
And
all
of
these
mitigations
listed
here-
or
at
least
many
of
them
did
come
out
of
board
conversations:
okay!
Well,
let's,
let's
keep
moving
through
this
open
space
and
recreation
and
critical
environmental
areas.
I
think
blue
means
that
things
were
updated.
Is
that
right,
and
so
we
we
did
receive.
A
Some
updates,
I
could
sort
of
walk
you
through
this.
What
the
sections
say
if
that
would
be
helpful
again,
it's
all
based
on
your
discussions
and
information,
we've
gotten
from
the
applicant
and.
J
A
All
right
so
open
space
and
recreation,
there
isn't
any
public
well.
Actually
there
is
public
open
space.
Oh
you
know,
there's
a
publicly
accessible
trail
on
most
of
the
property,
and
so
it's
next
to-
and
it's
also
next
to
a
una,
which
has
a
you
know,
is-
is
public
open
space?
A
So
the
then
the
applicant
is,
you
know
ultimately
expanding
those
features
on
the
site,
so
so
the
they're
extending
the
trail
they're
finishing
the
trail
to
the
end
of
the
site
and
then
extending
it
into
the
city
natural
area
at
the
end
of
the
site.
So
from
our
conversations,
the
part
three
or
from
your
conversations,
the
part
three
determines
that
you
know
this
is
there
is
a
lot
of
public
open
space
on
the
site,
already
they're
increasing
the
public
open
space?
So
it's
a
net
benefit.
A
I
guess
would
be
the
way
that
critical
and
any
questions
or
discussion
on
that,
okay,
critical
environmental
areas,
it's
right
next
to
a
unique
natural
area,
six
mile
creek
gorge,
and
so
the
main
issues
it
will
be
visible
from
within
the
gorge.
That's
not!
That
is
the
terminal
end
of
the
una
right
in
front
of
the
site.
This
the
slope
across
from
the
site
and
the
gorge
of
the
down
below
the
wall
are
part
of
that
una.
A
It
would
be
a
visual
impact
for
someone
within
the
una
in
that
area,
and
then
the
landscape
plan
could
have
impact
to
you
know,
is
we're
looking
we're
continuing
to
review
the
landscape
plan,
for
you
know
invasive
species
things
like
that,
and
then
the
other
issue
for
the
una
would
be
dark
sky
compliance
for
the
lighting,
so
that
no
light
spills
on
the
is
goes
into
the
una
to
disrupt
birds
or
other
animals,
and
also
looking
at
details
during
site
plan
review
of
the
garage
and
how
that
is
how
the
headlights
are
screened.
D
Transportation
is
a
is
a
fairly
big
topic.
You
know
we're
on
a
it's
a
busy
spot,
it's
a
busy
spot
and
if
you
see
page
14,
there
are
highlighted
spots
where
we
need
to
talk
about
dot
documentation.
Is
this
something
that
has
been
submitted
by
the
applicant
yet.
J
O
A
A
I
think
you
all
got
it,
and
there
was
a
lot
of
back
and
forth
between
the
transportation
engineer,
d.o.t
and
the
city,
and-
and
this
is
all
documented
in
here-
the
conversation
about
what
the
impact
was,
how
many
trips
in
and
out
and
the
main
issues
ended
up
being
the
ingress
and
egress
off
from
the
from
the
the
driveway
on
east
state
street,
particularly
left-hand
turns
during
the
am
pm
peak
hour
and
and
what
were
the
mitigations
for
that?
That
was
really
the
main
thing.
There
were
a
lot.
A
There
was
a
lot
of
conversation
about
the
parking
and
how
would
the
parking
would
be
accessible
to
the
public
and
that's
all
documented,
and
so
ultimately
d.o.t
did
well.
You
could
you
you
know
more
about
this
than
I
do
brian,
I'm
sure
you
can
describe.
O
Yeah
yeah,
I
mean
that
was
a
that
was
a
good
overview
right.
So
we
did
a
comprehensive
traffic
study
where
we
did
data
collection
on
the
spot
for
all
the
different
peak
hours.
We
did
the
existing
operations
within
the
intersection
and
the
adjacent
intersections
collecting
all
the
various
data
out
there.
We
did
an
accident
analysis.
We've
done.
You
know
the
background
operations
forecasted
to
the
future
years.
O
We've
done
trip
generation,
the
the
future
build
operations
and
then
recommended
mitigation
which
did
have
concerned
with
left,
turns
at
the
existing
driveway
to
state
street,
and
what
the
recommendations
within
the
traffic
study
stated
was
basically
that
that
full
access
driveway
has
issues
during
the
am
and
the
am
and
pm
peak
hours,
which
we
consider
to
be
the
commuter
periods
from
seven
a.m,
to
nine
am
and
from
four
pm
to
six
pm,
and
we
discuss
this
at
length
in
numerous
meetings,
half
dozen
or
so,
with
both
the
director
of
transportation,
eric
hathaway
and
his
staff,
along
with
the
new
york
state
d.o.t,
who
controls
the
adjacent
tuning
fork,
intersection
and
basically
talked
through
it
in
a
way
where
the
you
know,
there
is
long
periods
of
time
in
the
off-peak
hours
for
people
to
take
left
turns.
O
That
would
be
a
benefit
to
the
intersection
so
that
people
aren't
forced,
by
way
of
a
hard
physical
barrier
like
a
raised,
curb
to
create
a
right
in
right
out.
That
would
force
people
eastbound
and
have
to
navigate
if
they
want
to
go
west
through
the
residential
neighborhood.
O
So
that
wasn't
something
that
we
wanted
to
do
so
we
recommended
signage
restrictions
at
the
intersection
to
say
that
left
turns
would
be
prohibitive
during
the
morning
the
morning
peak
hours
and
the
pm
peak
hours,
and
this
turned
into
a
discussion
with
the
dot
and
eric's
office
on
you
know
how
how
possible
that
is
to
restrict
that
traffic
right.
It's
a
sign,
it's
nothing
more
than
a
stop
sign
where
you're
kind
of
there's
a
large
percentage
of
people
that
would
abide
by
it.
O
But
the
worry
was
really
that
the
gateway
building
itself
kind
of
shields
that
driveway.
So
if
you
do
leave
our
garage
as
you
approach
the
internal
intersection,
where
you
have
a
choice
where
you
can
either
turn
right
to
get
to
the
state
street
driveway
or,
as
you
all
know,
there's
a
slip
lane,
that's
an
exit
lane.
Only
that
does
get
you
to
green
street.
O
So
what
we've
done
is
provided
directional
signage
as
you
leave
the
garage
and
start
to
leave
the
site.
That
is
additional
signage
that
would
direct
either
downtown
traffic
or
westbound
traffic
to
utilize
that
existing
slip,
lane,
which
is
egress
only
laying
onto
green
street,
so
that
they
can
have
a
proper
approach
to
the
intersection
and
further
avoid
left
turns
out
of
the
site,
which
would
still
have
the
benefit
that
all
the
departments
agreed
on
in
leaving
the
left
turns
available
during
the
non-peak
hours.
O
So
we've
added
those
signs
to
the
plan.
There
was.
The
other
mitigation
was
some
signal.
Timing
changes
and
what
I
provided
to
lisa
was
the
email
from
the
new
york
state
dot
that
has
accepted
the
directional
signage
that
was
added
and
the
signal
timing,
changes
for
the
traffic
signal
at
state
and
green
street,
and
also
a
copy
of
the
email
from
eric
hathaway's
office.
That
acknowledges
that
he
has
no
other
concerns
based
on
the
answers
and
mitigation
that
we've
provided
in
our
responses
to
his
office.
O
So
it
was
a
long.
It
was
a
long
process.
On
the
order
of
the
last
six
months,
we've
had
numerous
meetings.
We've
provided
a
lot
of
extra
data
to
eric's
office
in
terms
of
our
the
model
and
the
syncro
files
that
analyze
traffic
accident,
the
accident
analysis
and
some
other
things
that
he
wanted
clarified
along
the
way.
O
But
in
the
record,
there
is
now
the
the
emails
from
both
the
department
of
transportation
and
the
transportation
director
for
the
city
that
they're
in
agreement
with
the
proposed
mitigation
that
we've
provided.
D
All
right,
let's
do
a
quick
round
of
discussion
around
transportation,
knowing
that
lisa
will
add
that
dot
confirmation
into
the
part
three.
I
will
start
with
you
garrick.
E
I
agree,
I
feel
comfortable
with
it,
as
stated.
F
Yeah,
it's
my
only
question
relative
to
the
publicly
accessible
parking
or
you
can
have
any
kind
of
indicators
to
let
people
know
where
parking
is
available
or
what
parking
might
be
available.
Just
there's
a
lot
of
spaces
there.
So
I
was
just
wondering
if
you
had
any
more
information
about
how
you
intended
to
manage
them.
O
Yes
and
jeff
can
can
step
in
when
he
needs
to
there.
There
is
a
section
of
the
garage
that
would
be
dedicated
for
those
spaces
that
are
used
during
the
business
hours
for
the
business,
so
it
is
very
much
separated
where
the
residents
of
the
gateway
building
have
their
own
section.
Residents
for
the
new
apartments
have
their
own
section
and
then
those
business
related
would
turn
turn
over
at
the
end
of
the
business
hours
and
be
accessible
to
the
public.
O
I
believe
our
intent
was
to
use
one
of
the
payment
apps
so
that
those
parking
spaces
could
be
sort
of
designated
for
those
time
frames
and
that
you
wouldn't
get
spill
over
until
like
the
next
day,
where
they
wouldn't
become
available
anymore.
So
you
know
there
is
designated
spaces
and
they
would
be
kind
of
managed
to
be
a
smartphone
in
the
apps
to
make
sure
that
people
have
the
ability
to
get
in
and
out
when
they
need
to.
P
P
It's
all
camera
controlled,
monitored
and
enforced
for
both
monthly
parkers
and
then
hourly
and
daily
parkers.
The
other
is
to
gate
and
allow
the
same
functionality.
P
I
think
it's
ultimately
going
to
be
a
hybrid
where
there
are
some
designated
areas
by
signage
for
residents,
office,
tenants,
the
public
during
after
business
hours
and
in
the
gateway
commons
tenants
and
then
we'll
manage
it
through
technology.
So
parking
technology
has
come
a
long
way
in
recent
years,
and
you
know
it's
a
it's
a
very
you
know
appropriate
thing
to
do
in
this.
Setting
is
ideal,
for
you
know,
really
optimizing
the
use
of
a
garage
where
you
have
multiple
users
with
technology.
P
N
P
Guests
arriving
you
know,
may
need
a
little
guidance.
You
know
there
will
be
a
little
bit
of
communication
needed
to
make
that
a
little
more
known,
I
think,
to
everyone.
D
C
H
Yeah,
I
think
the
the
fact
that
there's
a
significant
public
parking
benefit
here
in
an
area
you
know
downtown
that
needs
it
again
is
a
is
a
real
clincher
for
me.
You
know
I'd
be
concerned
if
there
wasn't
that
public
parking
benefit
with
the
traffic
on
state,
but
it
seems
like
a
reasonable
solution
seems
like
it
has
dot
approval,
so
you
know
I'm
okay
with
it,
and
I
also
want
to
point
out
the
I
think
you
had
a
really
good
parking
ratio
for
a
project
of
this
size.
H
L
So
my
thoughts
continue
with
the
massing
and
how
busy
that
street
is-
and
I
I'm
still
worried
about
the
traffic
analysis,
because
I
believe
that
it
was
all
done
during
coped,
and
I
mean
it's
very
clearly
evident
even
here
where
I
live
and
I'm
right
off
of
state
street
as
well,
that
there
is
way
more
traffic
now
than
you
know
just
a
few
months
ago.
L
So
I'm
still
concerned
about
the
amount
of
traffic
that
this
will
generate
right
there
at
that
intersection.
O
Throughout
the
last
year
there
has
been
really
a
benchmark
as
to
what
to
do
to
analyze
traffic
for
projects
like
this
during
covet
and
and
we
did
make
those
adjustments
and
they're
accepted
by
the
state
on
numerous
projects
going
back
and
analyzing
the
historical
data
that
you
have
and
forecasting
that,
through
and
using
using
data
that
we
can
collect
in
real
time
adjusting
it
for
covid,
but
then
cross-checking
it
with
the
historical
data
that
we
have
to
make
that
forecast
and
that
strategy
is
well
accepted
by
the
dot
and
described
in
our
traffic
study.
O
So
the
covid
adjustments
have
been
made
and
we
weren't
benefiting
ourselves
just
counting
zero
cars
that
were
out
there
just
because
of
covid,
so
that
was
all
captured
in
the
study.
Thanks.
L
That's
really
good
to
know
that
you
had
that
safety
factor
and
redundancy.
So
I'm
glad
to
hear
that.
Thank
you.
D
Remaining
board
comments
or
questions
around
transportation.
I
see
that
we
also,
we
have
a
highlighted
part
on
page
15,
about
the
relocation
plan
during
construction.
Is
that
something
that
has
been
provided
to
lisa
yet
or
that
you
can
describe
to
the
board?
I'm.
A
Gonna
ask
brian
because
he
sent
me
some
things
late
in
the
day
that
I
wasn't
able
to
look
at.
Have
you
provided
a
relocation
plan
yeah.
P
And
I'm
fine
to
take
that
lisa
we
gave
brian
the
response
to
send
to
you,
but
we've
been
working
with
david
lubin
for
over
a
year
now,
I'm
I'm
guessing
and
in
several
others
in
the
city
niels
bond
and
gary
ferguson
to
identify
a
parking
solution
during
construction
and
what
we
landed
on
with
the
most
capacity
and
probably
the
best
location
for
the
existing
gateway,
tenants
and
residents
during
construction
is
the
chain
works
site
which
is
just
up
the
hill
from
us.
P
We've
got
a
draft
agreement
in
front
of
david
lubin
to
officially
utilize.
The
existing
surface
lots
there
for
our
residents.
Our
residents
are
the
gateway
residents
and
tenants
and
construction
workers
until
they're
able
to
park
on
site
within
the
garage
itself
during
construction.
So
I
think
it's
a
it's
a
very
good
solution.
It's
you
know
ample
and
capacity.
We
will
serve
it
with
a
shuttle.
P
Details
of
the
shuttle
operation
is
still
being
refined,
but
you
know
in
given
how
critical
parking
is
and
how
many
other
projects
are
going
on
in
ithaca.
We
felt
this
was
a
a
good
outcome.
D
D
Maybe
we
want
to
make
note
of
a
condition
on
site
plan
approval
for
having
that
parking
having
that
parking
agreement-
and
you
know
I
without
wanting
to
rush
us,
but
also
while
trying
to
stay
somewhat
timely
if
we
feel
complete
discussing
transportation
lisa,
do
you
want
to
just
highlight
any
changes
on
the
final
four
sections
between
energy,
human
health,
community
plans
and
character.
A
Yes,
so
human
health,
I
think
the
blue
is
from
the
last
time
they
submitted
a
phase,
two
essay
that
brian
described
at
the
beginning
of
their
presentation
and
the
borings.
It
just
goes
into
more
detail
about
the
industrial
history
on
this
site
and
the
results
of
the
borings,
which
were
surprisingly
that
there
was
no
contamination
on
the
site.
Then
consistency
with
community
plans.
We
just
went
through
each
section
how
it
complies
with
the
comprehensive
plan.
I
summarize
the
design
guideline
discussion,
the
zoning
consistency
with
zoning.
A
This
is
a
discussion
of
the
variance
which
is
a
height
variance
which
and
the
purpose
of
the
height
variance
or
the
reason
for
the
height
variance
is
needed.
It's
a
9
foot
variance
the
allowed
height
is
62
feet.
The
height
they're
asking
for
is
71
feet,
and
if
my
understanding
is
that
is
because
the
florida
floor
for
the
parking
decks
to
to
levels
of
parking
decks
is
higher
than
a
residential
floor
before.
A
Yeah
you
I
mean
we
can
discuss
yeah
exactly,
but
I
think
that
your
recommendation
should
also
reference.
Whatever
conclusion
you
made
in
the
course
or
if
this
is
an
accurate
conclusion
of
what
the
discussion
was
in
part
three
and
then
consistency
with
community
character.
This
discusses
the
easements
which
they
and
the
only
easement.
That
really
has
a
planning
impact
is
the
removal
of
the
extinguishment
of
the
pedestrian
easement,
and
they
are.
A
They
have
offered
an
alternative
from
state
street
by
the
stairway
throughout
the
alpha
phi
alpha,
the
alpha
by
alpha
plan
that
hasn't
actually
come
to
you
yet,
but
will
soon
the
fire
access
also
wrote
the
I
referenced
the
the
different
scenarios
that
you
looked
at
and
the
one
you
chose
as
being
the
most
balanced
approach.
Given
the
fact
that
you
need
fire
access,
it
has
to
be
a
certain
width.
So
how
do
you
balance
all
of
that
with
decent
design
or
good
design?
A
The
only
thing
I
would
say
in
the
the
the
one
piece
of
information
we
don't
I
don't-
we
don't
really
have,
but
we'll
have
you'll-
have
to
have
it
before
a
building
permit
is
or
it
will
have
to
be
to
the
satisfaction
of
the
city.
Engineer
is
yes,
they're
going
to
monitor
the
wall
for
vibration
and
damage
during
construction,
but
I'm
not
sure
that
he
is
satisfied
with
the
structural
analysis
of
the
wall.
B
A
Will
be
a
requirement
of
site
planner
viewing
requirement
of
your
building?
Permit,
I'm
sure.
So!
That's
just
to
his
satisfaction.
A
And
then
also
information
about
affordable
housing.
What
the
as
you've
asked
many
times
for
the
for
the
the
unit
mix
or
what
the
what
their
intention
is
to
meet
the
affordable
housing
requirements,
because
they
are
we'll
be
seeking
tax
abatements,
and
so
this
is
that
is
in
this
part,
so
they
won't
be
incorporating
affordable
housing
into
the
development,
but
they
will
be
because
they're
seeking
tax
abatements
and
that's
a
basic
requirement
of
the
tax
events.
A
They
will
be
donating
five
thousand
dollars
per
unit
to
the
tompkins
county,
housing
trust
which
goes
to
fill
gaps
in
funding
for
affordable
housing
projects.
D
So
I'm
happy
that
the
industrial
development
agency
came
up
with
that
policy.
J
C
D
So
that
takes
us
to
the
end
of
the
part.
Three
we've
reviewed.
You
know
a
lot
of
the
things
we've
been
discussing
this
whole
time
about
mitigations
and
how
this
project
benefits
the
community.
So
before
we
vote
on
it,
are
there
any
final
thoughts
or
questions
or
concerns
around
part?
Three
mitch,
I
see
your
hand.
H
Just
the
the
height
variance
just
so
I
understand
where
the
extra
nine
feet
is
coming
from.
Maybe
tim
or
donny
can
answer
this
question,
but
is
it
fair
to
say
that
a
florida
floor
for
the
residential
is
about
10
feet
and
floor
to
floor
in
the
garage?
Is
14
and
a
half
because
you're
carrying
some
infrastructure
uses
things
like
that?
I
I'm
not
aware
of
garage
design,
it
seems
kind
of
high.
H
I
Yeah
donna,
you
want
to
talk
about
the
florida
floor
heights
and
I
can
you
know,
follow
up
on
that
sure.
N
The
floor
four
is
not
14
at
the
parking
deck
mitch.
It's
about
11
feet
of
parking,
11,
exactly
11
and
a
half
at
a
parking
deck
right
now,
where
the
residential
are
10
feet
floor
to
floor.
O
Yeah
and
part
of
that
mitch,
too,
gets
into
you
know
the
viability
of
the
project,
obviously,
with
the
unit
count
that
supports
the
construction
and
I
think,
as
we
get
into
more
of
the
there's
a
lot
of
other
reasons.
Just
then
the
florida
floor
right,
just
the
the
whole
idea
of
incorporating
parking
into
the
cbd
district
occupies
space
within
the
building,
something
that
we
want
to
provide,
obviously
for
the
benefit
of
the
existing
tenants,
the
new
residents
and
the
public.
O
O
If
you
will
of
of
of
another
site
that
may
be
not
as
equivalent
to
this
and
there's
a
lot
of
other
unique
things
that
are
happening
aside
from
that
to
justify
the
variance
where
you
know
we
we
do
have
ourselves
embedded
in
a
hillside,
and
we've
talked
about
this
and
shown
it
in
the
renderings,
where,
although
you
know
we're
exceeding
the
height
by
some
nine
feet,
or
so
the
perceived
height,
especially
along
state
street,
is
basically
matching
the
book
ends
of
of
either
building
where
it
first
it's
perceived
to
be
three
stories.
O
O
The
topography
is
a
benefit
to
us
to
kind
of
conceal
the
perceived
height
of
the
building,
and
then
it's
really
just
the
constructability
of
being
able
to
provide
parking
in
the
building
the
number
of
units
that
it
supports
and
the
surrounding
site.
You
know
to
keep
the
public
space
and
the
safety
aspects
available
as
well.
I
And
brian,
I
would
just
just
add
and
mitch
you
know
calculating
the
grade
plane
on
this.
You
know
rather
unique
site.
Was
you
know
something
that
you
know
kind
of
wasn't?
You
know
it
was
difficult
to
find.
You
know
based
on
you,
know
the
zoning
requirements
and
so
forth.
So
in
some
ways
it's
not
so
much
as
a
as
a
height
variance
is
possible,
possibly
a
you
know,
a
grade
plane,
variance
but
again
that
it
was
just
a
interpretation
about
this
unique
site.
A
Yeah,
I'm
I'm
confused.
How
many
stories
is
this
building.
A
Okay,
so
your
zoning
variant
says
six
and
the
allowed,
so
it's
not
just
that
you're
seeking
a
nine
foot
height
variance.
You
also
I'm
sorry
that
this
is
kind
of
late,
but
you're
also
seeking
an
additional
floor.
J
P
N
P
C
D
I'd
like
to
wrap
up
the
seeker
declaration
and
click
on
that,
and
then
we
can
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
both
of
the
variances
in
front
of
us,
including
height,
and
discuss
whether
or
not
we
also
need
a
floor
variance.
So.
D
To
the
kind
of
orangish
resolution
for
negative
declaration
I'll
go
through
one
at
a
time,
we've
we've
been
through
this
a
lot
and
we've.
We
had
a
nice
kind
of
wrap-up
conversation
about
things
today,
so
derek
yay
or
nay.
J
Q
D
Yay
that
passes.
Thank
you,
everybody
for
your
thoughtful
conversation
and
votes.
Now,
let's
move
on
to
the
variance
where
we
we
know.
D
Looking
to
subdivide
the
parcel
into
four
different,
the
four
different
parcels-
and
it
sounds
like
you
might
also
be
needing
to
seek
an
extra
floor.
Variance
from
the
bca.
Have
you
made
an
application
to
the
board
of
zoning
appeals?
Yet.
O
D
O
A
J
A
Who's,
the
zoni
administrator,
so
she
says
it's
six
stories.
I
guess
you
have
the
zoning,
you
have
the
application
in
front
of
you
and
it
says
it's
six
stories
so.
D
My
yeah,
my
recommendation,
would
be
to
to
provide
a
statement
to
the
bza
on
the
two
variances
that
are
before.
O
D
So,
let's
do
we
do
we
want
to
split
them
up
and
talk
about.
You
know
one
at
a
time
talk
about
the
height
one
first.
Does
that
make
sense
and
then
talk
about
the
subdivision
or
do
we
do?
People
have
maybe
not
have
strong
feelings
and
we
can
just
make
a
kind
of
blanket
recommendation
for
both
lisa.
A
The
subdivision
is
included
in
the
description,
but
it
doesn't
require
a
variance.
It
needs
an
easement.
It
needs
an
across
property.
C
D
It
looks
like
we're
just
going
to
be
discussing
the
the
height
variance
right
now,
so
let's
just
do
a
quick
round
to
see
if
there's
anything
that
we
want
to
add
to
the
bza
language.
Aside
from
our
standard
language
around,
you
know
whether
or
not
we
see
no
long-term
impacts.
We
think
the
project
mitigates
things
successfully
and
we
are
not
sure
about
whether
or
not
we
need
to
add
a
floor
variance.
P
P
With
the
retaining
wall
under
construction,
the
second
would
be
a
conveyance
from
gateway
center
to
alpha
phi
alpha.
I
don't
think
that's
been
completed,
but
the
bounds
of
that
site
are
defined
now
and
then
there's
our
side
and
then
what
remains
of
gateway
center.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
was
clear.
D
D
Okay,
all
right,
so,
let's
just
let's
do
around
and
discuss
height
and
mitch.
I'll
start
with
you.
H
You
know
zoning
is
one
thing.
I
think
it's
an
abstract.
You
know
regulation
in
a
lot
of
ways
that
doesn't
take
into
account
into
account
these
unique
conditions
that
are
being
described
by
the
applicant.
H
I
do
think
that
the
way
the
terrain
works
that's
been
described
many
times
before
how
the
building
sits
down
into
the
site
will
reduce
its
massing.
So
I,
for
those
reasons,
I'm
okay
with
a
proposed
height
of
71
feet.
I
do
think
they
need
to
clarify
the
number
of
stories,
though
that's
important.
F
Yeah,
I
would
agree,
the
topography
of
the
site,
obviously
is
is
very
unique.
So
that
said,
I
also
have
some
kind
of
mixed
feelings
about
projects
penciling,
but
only
with
a
lot
of
extra
height.
So.
L
I
still
feel
that
there
are
not
enough
documented
mitigations
that
would
warrant
this
kind
of.
G
Yeah,
if
we're
gonna
characterize
our
recommendation
on
the
curb
cut
as
as
lukewarm
I
I
think
we
have
to
recognize
here
that
there's
a
direct
split
in
the
board
right.
We
have.
We
have
conflicting
votes
on
the
environmental
review,
so
maybe
even
to
say
that
the
majority
of
the
board
you
know
is
supportive
and
I
think
the
reasons
you
know
pretty
obvious
it's
in
keeping
with
the
comprehensive
plan
adding
density
to
the
downtown
core.
It's
replacing
the
surface
parking
lot
with
a
covered.
G
You
know
parking
parking
garage,
it's
going
to
provide
formalized
public
access
to
a
waterway
in
a
city,
natural
area.
You
know,
I'm
sure
there
are
other
things
that
we
could
say,
but
I
think
all
those
are
in
keeping
with
the
comprehensive
plan-
and
I
agree
with
the
comments
of
others-
that
height
is
really
a
pretty
abstract
concept
here,
given
the
train.
E
D
Thank
you.
Thank
you
thanks
everybody
so
lisa,
I
think
derek
something
like
well.
I
think
you've
got
some
information
about.
You
know
that
there's
there's
not
consensus
on
the
board
about
our
recommendation
to
the
bza,
but
you
have
some
reasoning
for
why
the
majority
of
the
board
supports
it
and
we
do
want
to
just
you
know,
be
explicit
with
the
bca
about
the
confusion
around
six
versus
seven
stories
and
whether
or
not
there's
a
needed
additional
variants
for
stories.
A
Do
you
just
do
you
want
to
add
in
the
things
that
it's
you've
been
working
on
this
project
for
a
long
time,
so
there
are
specific
things
they
did
to
make
the
perceived
this
height
look
smaller,
which
was
lowering
the
parapet
having
dark
colors
up
the
top
yeah
gohari.
Do
you
want
to
add
those
bulleted.
D
A
bulleted
list
of
those
mitigations,
I
think,
would
be
people
for
the
bca
to
have
easy
access
to.
So
with
that
we
have
completed
our
tasks
for
the
evening
and
we're
a
little
bit
over
time.
So
I'm
inclined
to
to
call
it
a
night
at
that,
and
I
think
that
we,
you
know
we're
going
to
continue
seeing
you
for
site
plan
review
and
we
know
that
you're
going
to
the
bca
and
that
you
might
come
back
for
the
subdivision.
So.
P
Can
I
ask
a
question
back
to
the
number
of
stories
we
just
pulled
up
the
zoning
code
for
cbd60
and-
and
there
is
no
maximum
number
of
stories
in
the
divisional.
Q
O
A
P
A
I
think
we
can
follow
up
with
her
and
okay.
Okay.
P
O
D
Board
members,
how
are
you
feeling
do?
We
need
a
five
minute
break,
we're
a
little
bit
late,
but
that
was
a
doozy.
So
let's
it's
808,
let's
reconvene
at
8,
13
and
staff.
If
you
just
want
to
let
the
you
know,
probably
craig
or
whoever
is
here
from
stream
know
that
we'll
be.
D
D
C
C
B
It's
okay
with
you
all!
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
admit
the
applicants
for
321,
oh
baby
times.
Q
D
B
Hello
link
and
craig
we
just
took
a
little
break
last
item,
took
a
little
longer
than
planned.
Thank
you
for
being
patient.
R
R
C
You
just
gonna
give
it
a
minute
to
make
sure
that.
D
We
just
need
emily.
I
already
saw
lisa
emily's
back
wonderful.
The
board
has
returned
okay,
so
tonight
craig
and
link.
I
think
what
we're
going
to
be
discussing
with
you
is
preliminary
and
final
approval,
which
is
very
exciting,
and
so,
let's
just
turn
it
over
to
you
and
see.
If
you
have
any
project
updates
for
us
to
know
about
before
we.
R
Move
on
with
approval,
the
only
updates
just
mine
are:
we
got
a
written
approval
from
canal,
corp,
dec
and
army
corps
as
far
as
the
removal
of
a
tree
on
the
inlet
side
of
the
property.
D
R
Oh,
so
so
the
truth,
I
guess
to
just
bring
yeah
people
up
to
speed,
so
the
tree
is
actually
not
on
his
property
or
lynx
property.
It's
actually
on
the
the
section
of
property,
it's
owned
by
canal
corp,
and
it's
integrated
into
the
steel
structure.
That's
currently
on
link's
property
and
so
in
canal
corp,
some
of
the
conversations
with
calcorp.
As
far
as
removing
the
section
of
steel,
that's
that's
on
their
property.
R
Currently
it's
going
to
require
that
tree
coming
down
just
because
they're
so
intertwined
currently
so
so
that
was
always
part
of
the
conversation
and
just
recently
we
just
made
sure
we
had
in
writing
from
canal
corp
and
dec
and
army
corps
there.
Everybody
was
okay
with
the
removal
of
that
tree,
assuming
that
the
correct
permits
are
pulled,
and
so
that's
that's.
The
current
plan.
D
C
D
Right
there
so,
okay!
Well,
thank
you
for
that.
Thanks
for
the
update
and
if
there's,
if
there's
nothing
else,
then
let's
just
do
a
quick
round
among
the
board
see
if
there
are
any
outstanding
issues
with
this
we
you
know,
we've
talked
about
it,
we've
done
we've
done
seeker
and
I
think
that
we
are
generally
pretty
pleased
and
prepared
to
vote
tonight,
but
I
just
want
to
leave
room
for
any
concerns
or
questions,
so
I
will
start
with
elizabeth.
J
D
Awesome
well
I
that
I
I
wasn't
planning
on
that
being
a
vote,
so
I
will.
We
do
need
to
open
up
the
preliminary
and
final
resolution,
but
yeah
thanks
everybody
for
your
voice
of
support
and
it's
great
to
know
that
there
are
no
questions
thanks
so
much
to
project
team
for
being
thorough
and
creative
with
you
know,
design
and
communication.
So
let's
just
do
a
quick
round
feel
free
to
just
raise
your
hand
as
I
call
your
name
if
someone
can
move
the
resolution.
First.
D
D
R
Great
thanks,
I
I
am
impromptu
lee.
Staying
on
for
510
as
well.
One
of
our
staff
is
having
hopefully
a
minor
medical
issue
and
links
or
noah's
having
technical
issues.
So
I
was
asked
to
stay
on
for
5,
10.,
okay.
It
will
be
mostly
a
listening
role
because
I
don't
actually
know
a
whole
lot
about
the
project
but
I'll,
try
and
convey
whatever
is
needed
back
to
the
team.
D
Wonderful
thanks
craig,
that's
fine,
hello,
patrick!
So
it's
just
the
two
of
you
that
we're
expecting
tonight,
hopefully.
D
Medical
emergency
does
all
right
my
best
to
them.
Sorry
noah
that
you
can't
join
us
because
of
technical
difficulties,
so
tonight
we're
just
gonna
get
any
project
updates
from
the
team
and
we
have
a
draft
part
three
that
is
the
same
as
last
month.
So
if
you
have
one
moment
on
you,
if
you
have
additional
information
to
share,
please
do
share
that
with
us,
but
we'll
go
through
that
in
just
a
moment.
Anya.
B
B
B
D
Well,
we'll
get
started,
I
suppose,
with
project
updates,
and
if
that
person
is
on
your
team,
they
can
come
on
in.
So
it
sounds
like
patrick
or
craig,
not
sure
which
one
of
you
is
able
to
take
it.
Probably
patrick.
D
Yeah,
do
you
have
project
updates
to
share
with
us
tonight
any
changes
to
design
or
anything
that
we
will
want
to
discuss
in
part
three
of
the
environmental
review.
R
A
Well,
I
didn't
receive
any
information
to
continue
working
on
part
three,
so
I
didn't
provide
a
revised
draft.
I
did
receive
a
geotechnical
letter,
I
think
maybe
yesterday,
but
did
not
provide
it
in
the
mailing.
It
was
too
late
for
me
to
do
anything
with
r2,
so
I
don't.
I
also
don't
have
an
update
of
the
part
three,
although
we
could
talk
about
this,
you
know
anything
that
you
would
like
to
see
in
the
part.
Three
that
you
know
has
not
already
been
outlined
as
outstanding.
D
Yeah,
I
suppose,
from
the
board,
if
there
are
any
things
that
we
want
to
discuss,
you
know
we've
gotten
some
comments
from
neighbors
that
we
could
potentially
discuss
now
as
part
of
community
character.
It
sounds
like
we
don't
have
the
information
that
we
need,
for
you
know
pile
driving
discussion.
D
This
might
be
a.
There
might
not
be
a
lot
for
us
to
discuss
tonight
unless,
unless
the
board
has
anything
that
they're
hoping
to
be
incorporated
before
next
time,.
D
Anything
so
it
sounds
like
you
might
just
it
might
be
most
appropriate
for
you
to
go
back
with
the
whole
team
when
everybody's
available
and
go
through
the
part
through
that
we
have,
which
was
most
recently
updated
at
the
beginning
of
this
month,
and
the
third
we've
got
some
highlighted
things
about.
You
know
piles
and
foundation
and
ground
water
and
so
on
and
so
forth.
So
does
that
seem?
Does
that
seem?
Oh
yeah,
lisa.
A
One
thing
that
I
would
like
to
see
next
time
and
I'm
sure
everybody
else
would
too
would
be
more
detailed
discussion
of
the
type
of
piles
you'll
be
using
and
and
why
you're
using
them,
I
mean
obviously
in
such
close
proximity
to
these
other
buildings.
The
least
impactful
type
of
pile
driving,
if
it's
technically
possible,
would
be
vastly
preferable
to
driven
piles
or
pounded
pets.
D
Similarly,
to
what
was
discussed
in
the
with
the
401
project
around
affordability,
I
think
it
might
be
nice
to
include
in
consistency
with
community
character
that
this
is
an
affordable
project
that
may
or
may
not
just
become
standard.
You
know
a
part
of
the
fifth
to
kind
of
incorporate.
J
G
Yeah
mackenzie,
I
was
just
gonna
double
down
on
on
on
your
point
about
the
letters
from
the
neighbors
and
it'd
just
be
nice
to
see
a
proactive
plan
to
mitigate
environmental
externalities
that
will
affect
neighbors
and
particularly
you
know,
with
pot
and
pile
driving.
G
You
know
it'd
be
nice,
but
unless
try
to
come
up
with
mitigations
after
the
fact
it'd
be
nice.
If
maybe
you
could
meet
with
the
neighbors
and
reach
an
agreement
beforehand,
rather
than
that's
going
to
do
it
at
the
meeting.
Q
Sure
and
then
I
can
also
add
that
todd
spoke
with
fred
pitch,
really
the
nearby
property
owner,
as
well
recently
so
to
follow
up
on
fred's
most
recent
letter.
So
that's
great.
Q
Q
Yeah
we're
happy
to
talk
with
neighbors
as
a
general
rule
of
thumb.
We
understand
that,
even
though
we're
still
the
position
that
this
project's
going
to
be
an
awesome
community
benefit
in
a
community,
that's
been
struggling
to
provide
affordable
housing
for
longer
than
I've
been
alive.
We
also
understand
that
change
has
its
pain
points
so
yeah
we're
happy
to
discuss
everything
with
the
neighbors
and
find
a
way
to
get
the
project
done
in
a
way
that
you
know
is
respectful
of
their
experiences
too
awesome.
D
Okay,
I
don't
see
any
other
burning
topics
for
us
tonight,
we'll
we'll
just
wait
for
your
team
to
come
back
with
more
information
for
part
three,
and
I
think
that's
probably
what
we'll
focus
on
next
month
and
then
maybe
also
site
plan
review.
But
I
guess
it
depends
on
how
much
information
we
get
for
environmental
review.
If
you
don't
have
any
questions
for
us,
then
I
think
I
can
probably
let
you
go
for
the
evening.
Craig
you're
off
the
hook
for
your
spontaneous
coverage
is
hopefully
simpler
than
you
might
have
imagined.
D
D
Are
we
okay?
I
can
hear
you
okay,
yeah
are
we,
it
looks
like
we
have
ken
shaw
on
the
line
adam.
Are
we
expecting
anything
anyone
else
this
evening.
B
Okay,
yeah,
it
seems
you're
still
missing
a
couple
of
people.
So,
okay.
D
Well,
as
they
come
in
on
you,
please,
please
admit
them
from
the
waiting.
J
D
Awesome,
thank
you
so
much
so
tonight
we
are
going
to
be
discussing
environmental
significance.
We
will
not
be
talking
about
the
variants
because
I
think
you're
back
to
the
drawing
board
on
that.
Is
that
right,
adam,
we'll
we'll
see
it
at
a
future
meeting
or
it's.
S
S
D
Okay,
thank
you
for
that.
Okay,
so
we
have.
Let's
see
we
have
a
part.
Two.
Is
that
right
lisa?
Are
we
looking
at
part
two
yeah.
A
D
Great,
I
guess
before
that
adam.
I
can
just
ask
you
if
there
are
any
project
update
that
you
want
to
share.
S
Very
briefly,
we
you
know,
based
on
the
feedback
we
received
from
the
planning
board
last
month
and
then
through
prc
and
the
engineering
commons.
We
made
some
updates
to
the
plan
to
say
I
believe,
include
a
crosswalk
across
from
tim
hortons
that
we
touched
on
last
month.
We
added
some
plantings
along
the
buttermilk,
plaza
side
of
the
of
the
of
the
development
we
swapped
out
the
norway
maple
tree.
S
We
are
going
to
reinstate
the
raised
concrete
median
at
the
entrance
drive,
as
I
explained
at
the
prc
meeting
it's
going
to
be
at
what's
called,
what's
called
a
traversable
curb,
so
that
plows
and
fire
trucks
can
can
get
up
and
over
without
causing
damage
to
the
vehicles.
You
know
that's
common
common
practice,
there's
only
so
much.
We
could
do
at
that
entrance
right.
S
So
we're
going
to
put
that
in
there
it's
going
to
be
infilled
with
concrete,
because
we're
expecting
vehicles
to
have
to
drive
over
with
the
bigger
trucks
and
that
kind
of
thing
we
have
reached
out
to
state
parks.
Regarding
the
sidewalk
connection
to
the
south,
I
believe
when
we
first
started
talking
about
this
project,
we
and
I
think
city
even
thought
that
that
parcel
to
the
south
of
us
this
site
was
city
property,
but
it's
actually
state
parks
land.
S
So,
while
the
developer
is
is
in
agreement
with
making
that
connection
and
rebuilding
the
stairs
going
up
and
south
of
their
property,
there's
only
so
much,
we
could
do,
and
you
know
looking
closer
at
the
plans
that
the
town
had
provided
us
for
the
rail
trail.
The
rail
trail
is
about
you
know.
I
went
out
there
it's
about
eight
to
ten
feet
above
that
flat
state
park
land,
that's
directly
to
the
south
of
this
project,
so
making
a
direct
sidewalk
connection
from
the
southern
part
of
this
property
to
the
rail
trail
directly
would
require.
S
You
know,
essentially
zero
to
eight
feet
of
great
great
change
going
up
to
the
rail
trail.
So
our
suggestion
is
to
instead
of
going
direct
to
the
rail
trail,
go
out
to
the
city's
dead
end,
which
is
the
old
sp,
which
is
spencer
road.
I
believe
right.
There
tie
it
into
the
existing
edge
of
pavement
there,
provided
we
can
get
state
parks
approval.
S
You
know,
I
think
that
there's
far
fewer
great
issues
out
that
way
and
the
rail
trail
actually
does
tie
into
some
state
or
some
city
roadways
or
walkways
south
east
of
that
development
to
our
to
our
east
there
he
did
submit
some
site
perspectives,
as
requested
by,
I
believe,
emily
and
some
other
board
members.
I
could
share
my
screen
and
bring
those
up
if
you
want,
or
we
can
move
on.
D
R
C
D
Talking
about
your
your
renderings,
maybe
because
we're
we'll
spend
a
little
bit
more
time
doing
site
plan
review,
I
think
next
month,
but
yeah.
Thank
you
for
that.
So,
okay
for
the
board,
let's
pull
up
the
very
short
part,
two
and
part
three.
On
the
other
side,
everything
on
the
front
is
denoted
as
a
small,
you
know,
no
impact
or
small
impact
may
occur,
and
then
lisa
has
a
short
description
on
the
back.
So
I
will
just
read
it
out
loud.
The
public
can
be
aware.
D
Also,
the
project
site
is
in
a
highly
developed
commercial
area.
However,
it
is
continuous
to
buttermilk
fall
state
park.
There
is
an
approximately
30-foot
sloped
vegetative
buffer
at
the
rear
of
the
property
that
will
remain
undisturbed
that
backs
up
to
a
service
area
of
the
park
above
the
project
may
be
visible
from
some
limited
areas
within
the
park,
but
will
not
look
significantly
different
from
the
current
conditions.
D
All
exterior
lighting
will
be
dark
sky
compliant
and
lighting
at
the
rear
of
the
building
will
be
kept
to
a
minimum
to
prevent
impacts
to
the
park.
The
applicant
is
willing
to
provide
a
pedestrian
connection
from
the
site
into
the
park
and
is
in
communication
with
the
park
to
determine
if
this
is
desirable.
D
Let's
just
do
a
quick
round
of
feedback
from
the
board
to
see
if
that
feels
satisfactory
as
part
of
as
far
as
our
short
form
part.
Three
goes
I'll
start
with
you,
cj.
C
D
D
I'll,
just
go
around
feel
free
to
raise
your
hand
if
you
are
in
favor
of
this
secret
neck
deck
I'll
go
around
the
room
again
cj
in
favor
mitch
in
favor,
emily
in
favor
elizabeth
in
favor
garrick
in
favor.
I
myself
also
vote
in
favor,
so
you've
got
your
negative
declaration,
it's
great
because
that's
all
we
needed
to
talk
about
tonight
and
we
have
a
couple
of
extra
minutes.
D
J
S
You
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
you
know,
I
think,
the
general
tone
of
the
board
at
last
month's
meeting.
I
believe
someone
asked
about,
can
we
change
the
colors
and
then
through
the
discussion?
I
think
the
consensus
with
the
board
members
was
that
the
red
and
white
was
essentially
preferred.
So
here's
you
know
we
did.
You
know
three
site
perspectives
taken
from
elmira
road.
S
You
know
the
vantage
points
on
our
road,
so
here's
a
section
here
looking
toward
it
as
you're,
I
guess,
heading
out
of
town
and
then
here's
a
section
coming
as
you're
coming
in
and
where's
my
head
on
one
here's
coming
in
coming
in
the
driveway.
S
You
know
it's
a
lot
of
the
areas
already
paved
and
it's
going
to
be
paved
again.
Here's
the
patio
there
one
comment
that
came
out
of
the
prc
meeting
was
to
add
railing
and
that's
something
we're
going
to
do
and
actually
emily.
I
think
you
had
a
comment
about
providing
some
sort
of
privacy
screen
here
and
we're
I'm
not
necessarily
open
to
putting
up
a
screen
fence
or
wall,
primarily
because
that's
going
to
have
a
line
of
sight
issue
here
for
cars,
turning
out
of
the
kfc
a
lot.
S
So
what
I'm
going
to
suggest
we
do
is
instead
put,
I
think,
I
have
in
the
plan
three
three
or
so
planters
that
would
have
seasonal
plantings
in
there
set
to
a
max
height
so
that
they
would
have
some
visual
buffer,
but
not
also,
but
not
providing
a
substantial
enough
buffer,
that
it
would
impede
motorists
view
of
a
right
turn
if
that
makes
sense.
D
Okay,
thank
you
for
sharing
that,
let's
just
you
know
we'll
continue
with
doing
rounds
adam.
Do
you
mind
maybe
well
you
can
keep
screen
sharing
we're
gonna
be
talking
about
it,
I'll
just
go
through
the
line
of
memes,
as
I
see
them
feel
free
to
pass
this
round
if
you
want
to,
but
if
you
have
feedback
for
the
project
team
before
they
come
back
for
site
plan
review
now
would
be
a
good
time
to
provide
something
brief.
Cj.
F
No
further
comments.
Thank
you.
Q
S
Material
of
choice
for
the
sighting
is
ken
shaw
on
the
line
he
can
maybe
talk
about
that.
S
T
The
the
red
is
like
a
panelized
system
and
the.
K
White
and
other
accents
are
drive.
M
G
Yeah,
I'm
just
you
know,
I'm
just
I
I
was
the
person
I
think
initially,
who
was.
It
was
a
little
bit
too
much
in
terms
of
the
color
scheme
and
then
others
convinced
me
it
was
fine.
G
I
just
think
that
if,
if
we're
going
to
turn
the
side
of
the
building
into
you
know
kind
of
a
feature
of
the
brand
and
the
the
destination
yeah,
I
just
wanted
to
be
sure
the
materials
are
of
high
quality,
because
they're
they're
featured
so
prominently
in
the
appearance
of
the
building,
and,
as
I
understand
it,
you're
going
to
have
lights
all
around
it.
You
know
to
light
it
up,
and
so
I
just
want
to
be
sure
that
it's
going
to
look
good.
You
know
for
for
a
while.
T
This
is
rich
wilkinson,
I'm
the
director
of
construction
for
kbp.
What
it
is
is
it's
a
color
impregnated
system,
so
it
is
a
color
fast
system.
That's
guaranteed,
not
to
fade
for
a
period
of
seven
years,
which
is
typically
our
remodel
schedule.
So
it
won't
turn.
I
guess
like
a
pink
or
a
rose.
Rosy
color
it'll
stay
that
that
vibrant
bread.
G
Okay
and
and
the
white
is
that
is
that
you
know
I
mean
I
realize
this
is
not
a
long-term
building,
but
it
looks
good
it's
white
if
it
kind
of
grays
with
vehicle
exhaust
and
so
on.
After
a
few,
is
it
pretty
easy
to
wash
and
keep
clean
or.
T
Oh
yeah,
it's
it's
a
fully
washable
efa
system
like
you
would
see
on
any
shopping
center
or
any
building
like
that.
Yeah,
it's
it's
yeah!
It's
completely
waterproof!
You
can
power
wash
it
and
do
all
those
things
that
you
can
do
to
any
other.
Regular
building.
T
D
Thank
you
thanks.
My
my
only
comment
about
that
is
that
you
know
not
all
ethos
systems
are
created
equally,
so
we
will
want
to
probably
see
material
samples,
and
maybe,
if
you
can
provide
some
physical
samples
to
city
hall,
we
can
we
could
visit
lisa's
office
to
see
them
and
and
whatever
you
when
it.
When
we
see
you
next
for
site
plan
review,
I
think
that'll
definitely
be
something
that
we
want
to
discuss
is
the
type
of
ethics
that
we're
using
yeah.
With
that,
I
think
that's.
D
That
seems
like
all
the
feedback
that
we
can
give
you
tonight
on
site
plan
done
with
environmental
determination.
So
I'm
guessing
we'll
see
you
next
month
and
of
course,
we'll
keep
our
eyes
open
for
an
updated
variance
schedule.
D
Hi
steve
and
whoever
else
is
here
from
holt
good
evening,
hello,
hello,
any
are
we
waiting
for
anyone
else.
D
Okay,
wonderful,
okay,
so
we're
we're
a
little
ahead
of
schedule.
So
I
don't
know
if
you
have
a
presentation
prepared
or
not,
we've
got
your
drawings
with
us,
so
maybe
you
want
to
spend
10,
let's
say
no
more
than
15
minutes
giving
us
the
project
and
a
little
orientation
to
it,
and
the
only
thing
that
we're
going
to
be
discussing
tonight
is
the
only
thing
that
we
are
tasked
with
tonight
is
declaring
lead
agency.
So
we
will
do
that
and
maybe
we'll
have
some
feedback
for
you
after
presentation.
But
why
don't.
I
U
U
Okay,
okay,
just
to
kind
of
orient
everybody
right
now:
dryden
road,
east,
west,
bryant,
ave
kind
of
bisects
into
the
site.
It
is
the
location
where
the
good
old
purple
piano
is
elevated
up
above
dryden.
I
think
everybody's
familiar
with
that
and
then
there's
the
residential
structure
kind
of
sitting
up
on
top
of
the
hill
up
there.
U
So
what
we're
going
to
talk
about
tonight?
I'll
kind
of
give
you
the
location
plan
here
so
dryden,
dryden,
sits
down
below
our
site
is,
if
you've
been
up
there
right
now,
it's
kind
of
covered
with
a
lot
of
trees,
but
it's
very
steep
from
dryden
up
the
hill.
It
really
slopes
kind
of
from
the
back
of
the
hill
or
from
the
top
of
the
hill
down
to
dryden
and
there's
a
big
set
of
stairs
and
steps
that
kind
of
lead
you
up
to
the
existing
building
right
now.
U
So
what
we're
proposing
in
the
cr4
zone
is
to
create
a
40
unit,
studio
apartment,
building,
we're
going
to
design
this
and
you'll
see
the
renderings
in
a
few
minutes.
A
lot
in
the
kind
of
row
house,
aesthetic.
U
And
then
you
know
main
building
entry,
so
our
building
right
now
is
is
very
much
challenged
with
the
site
and
how
we
access
the
site
currently,
like
I
said
before,
there's
a
set
of
stairs
that
kind
of
run
up
to
the
building,
we're
trying
to
find
a
way,
and
what
we've
done
here
is
create
a
series
of
steps
and
ramps
that
allow
for
an
accessible
entrance
off
of
dryden
road.
U
It
creates
a
real
public-facing
building
on
dryden,
whereas
the
existing
building
is
kind
of
tucked
up
behind
the
trees
way
up
the
hill
right
now
adjacent
to
the
building.
This
is
the
recently
completed
lux
building
and
also
in
the
back
behind
our
building,
so
we're
bound
and
then
there's
another
apartment
building
to
the
west
here.
So
we're
kind
of
bound
on
three
sides
with
other
apartment
buildings
as
well.
U
U
Right
now,
just
to
kind
of
give
you
a
sense
of
kind
of
the
topography
in
here.
It's
about
a
24
foot
differential
between
pardon
me,
23
foot
differential
between
sidewalk
at
the
bottom
on
dryden
and
kind
of
the
back
corner
of
the
site,
so
that
kind
of
gives
you
a
sense
of
almost
a
little
over
two
stories
of
grade
that
we've
got
to
kind
of
deal
with
with
our
building
and
you'll,
see
how
we
kind
of
solve
that
in
a
few
minutes.
U
Is
kind
of
set
up
so
that
you
know
each
of
these
apartments
has
you
know
open
kind
of
a
glass
wall
that
faces
out
to
the
south
or
to
the
north,
depending
on
which
way
the
orientation
of
the
building?
You
know
your
unit
faces
all
of
the
units
will
have
balconies
so
that
there's
you
know,
accessibility
to
the
outdoors
and
fresh
air
into
the
views,
we're
gonna
use
kind
of
some.
You
know
more
kind
of
organic
materials.
In
terms
of
you
know,
this
gray
is
kind
of
a
lighter
color
brick.
U
You
know
the
red
would
be
a
metal
panel
and
the
white
that
we're
showing
here
would
be.
You
know
a
resin
panel
of
some
sort,
so
we're
going
to
kind
of
you
know,
mix
some
of
these,
these
colors
to
really
kind
of
give
it
some
identity.
U
We've
created,
you
know
an
additional
space
for
mural,
which
you'll
see
in
the
rendering
you
know
to
kind
of
really
embrace
the
the
excitement
activity.
That
kind
of
happens
around
college
town
I
mean,
I
think
we
have
an
opportunity
to
create
like
a
really
fun
and
energetic
building
here.
So
coming
up
from
dryden.
You
would
have
kind
of
a
lowered
entry
lobby
which
is
kind
of
in
the
lower
left
here
that
would
take
you
into
you
know
the
elevator
core
which
allow
you
to
access.
U
You
know
all
four
floors
the
way
that
the
building
is
set
up
right
now
is
it's
actually
four
stories
over
a
basement.
This
lower
story
that
you
see
here
is
just
a
half.
You
know
half
story,
that's
kind
of
set
into
the
hillside.
U
U
So
these
are
kind
of
the
renderings
that
we've
got
right
now
I
mean
we
are
kind
of
in
the
early
stages,
but
I
think
we've
kind
of
come
up
with
a
fun,
exciting
building.
You
know
this
view
here
is
kind
of
from
the
southwest
looking
up
the
hill
towards
the
building.
We've
created
kind
of
this
plinth,
which
creates
kind
of
enough
separation
between
dryden
and
the
front
of
the
building,
but
also
creates
a
little
bit
of
you
know,
space
for
the
public.
U
To
kind
of
you
know
get
up
onto
a
patio
space
outside
the
main
entry
you
know
or
get
up
and
access
some
of
the
you
know
first
story
units
you
can
see
kind
of
the
mural
wall.
You
know
we
have
an
exposed
stairwell.
So
there
there
will
be
kind
of
activity,
you'll
see
people,
you
know
walking
up
and
down
the
the
stairs.
You
know
they
are
directly
accessible
off
the
vestibules.
So
you
know
they
are.
U
You
know
right
there
to
be
used
yeah
I
mean
so
that's
that's
kind
of
the
building
that
we
have
right
now,
I'm
open
to
answering
any
questions
about
it
or
see.
If
there's
anything
else
that
you
want
to
add,
but.
C
D
You
thanks
so
much
if
you
wouldn't
mind
stopping
your
screen
share.
D
Better
view
of
the
group:
well,
let's,
let's
handle
our
task
at
hand,
which
is
declaration
of
lead
agency
lisa.
I
might
have
missed
it
in
the
mailing.
I
don't
actually
have
a
paper
resolution.
Do
others
have.
C
A
Happens
to
all
of
us
right,
I
think
you
can,
because
what
the
resolution
would
say
would
be
that
you
have
a
planning,
a
project
before
you.
The
project
is
at
228
dryden
road,
a
description
of
the
project,
the
requirement
to
declare
to
have
a
lead
agency
and
then
that
you
resolve,
then
the
resolve
would
be
that
planned
award
does
hereby
declare
itself
lead
agency
for
the
project.
A
D
C
D
In
favor
same
eye
neighbor,
so
you
have
a
lead
agent
and
it's
us
wonderful
yeah.
Thank
you
for
that
presentation.
I
would
say
probably
the
best
use
of
our
time,
we'll
just
do
one
round
among
the
board
to
give
some,
you
know
kind
of
gut,
check,
first
impression,
feedback
and
then
we'll
plan
to
discuss
this
a
little
bit.
You
know
a
lot
more
in
detail
in
sight,
planner
view.
I
will
start
with
elizabeth.
L
Thanks
for
the
presentation,
looks
like
a
handsome
building,
I'm
interested
in
a
little
bit
more
information
on
the
materials
that
mural.
What
is
the
substrate
material
for
the
mural.
U
U
There's
a
stair
that
would
lead
you
from
dryden
up
to
the
kind
of
first
floor
level
or
basement
level.
I
guess
which
is
the
entry
there.
That's
the
only
exterior
stair
that
we
have.
L
I
think
that's
all
I
have
for
now.
Have
you
developed
any
floor
plans.
F
Yeah,
thanks
for
the
presentation,
looks
like
a
nice
project
so
far,
looking
forward
to
seeing
it
thanks.
Thank
you.
C
H
Yeah
first
impression
is
really
nice
that
looks
like
a
very
sharp
building.
It's
very
clever
the
way
you've
built
it
into
the
extreme
slope
there
just
wondering
about
the
affordability
of
units
and
the
parking
situation.
U
So,
with
the
parking
we're
looking
at,
you
know
complying
with
the
cr4
and
the
traffic
plan.
That's
there.
You
know
we've.
We
know
that
you
know
with
the
targeted
housing
of
college
students.
You
know,
there's
usually
a
low
low
demand
in
terms
of
the
amount
of
parking
and
that
when
parkings
are
provided,
people
typically
don't
have
parking.
This
site
is
serviced
by
tcat.
It
is
got
ride.
Share
you
know
close
by
it's
easily
walkable
to
campus.
So
we'll
do
a
full.
U
E
Emily,
thank
you.
I
think
it
looks
great.
My
first
impressions
are
really
good.
I
think
it's
great
that
all
the
units
have
balconies
the
light
and
the
air
through.
That
is
really
clever.
The
way
you'll
achieve
that.
I
think
the
terraces
and
the
steps
are
a
great
opportunity
for
some
really
interesting
like
public
and
private
interface
there,
and
you
know,
I
think
we
all
recognize
that
there
are
lots
of
trees
and
vegetation
street
side
where
those
where
the
stairs
are
going
in
that
this
has
to
come
out
necessarily.
J
E
E
I
think
the
materials
sound
high
quality,
I'm
excited
to
see
the
resin
panels
and-
and
I
think
oh,
are
you
seeking
any
variances?
That's
my
last
question.
U
Yes,
so
we'll
be
seeking
a
lot
area
variance
and
a
rear
step,
back
variance
for
the
rear
yard.
Okay,.
G
U
G
In
the
basement,
so
I
just
a
quick
question
and
maybe
don't
answer
this
now
but
somewhere
my
math
is
off,
but
if
it's,
if
it's
an
8
000
square
foot
lot
and
the
lot
coverage
is
50,
then
that
means
it's
four
thousand
square
feet
per
floor
and
you're
seeing
five
floors.
So
that's
twenty
thousand.
But
then
it
says
it's
a
twenty
five
thousand
square
foot
project.
So
I'm
just.
Can
you
get
back
to
me
at
some
point
or
again.
G
D
I'll
say
that
I
echo
that
I
think
it's
a
handsome
building
and
you
know
clever
use
of
the
site
lisa.
I
see
your
hand.
A
Yes,
thank
you
kenzie.
I
would
I
think,
as
you
move
forward,
I
think
the
board
will
be
interested
in
the
interface
with
the
street.
Sidewalk
is
extremely
narrow
there
and
then,
with
those
big
retaining
walls.
I
don't
know
if
there's
a
setback
or
what,
but
whatever
in
visual
information,
you
can
provide
to
show
how
this
feels
good,
when
you're
in
front
of
it
on
the
sidewalk
yeah.
U
So,
and,
and
to
kind
of
quickly
answer
and
elaborate
on
that,
we
did
discuss
that
early
on.
What
we
actually
did
was
push
some
of
those
retaining
walls
back
from
the
sidewalk,
the
current
sidewalk
to
create
space
for
some
benches
and
vegetated
plantings
right
on
that
street.
So
it
does.
It
will,
as
you
kind
of
move
east
to
west
up
dryden
and
you
get
to
our
site.
That
sense
of
the
width
of
the
sidewalk
will
feel
wider,
because
that
wall
will
be
pushed
back.
U
A
D
D
D
This
is
for
an
area
variance
for
off
street
parking
lot
coverage
and
front
yard
and
accessory
structures
is
this?
All?
Is
that
all
true
am
I
reading
this
right?
They
want
to
expand
their
front.
Porch
create
a
deck.
It
will
add
an
eight
foot
deep
by
17
foot
wide
uncovered
deck
in
the
front
yard.
It
has
an
existing
front
yard
deficiency
that
will
be
exacerbated.
D
The
new
deck
will
reduce
it
from
ten
to
one
and
we'll
also
add
136
square
feet
to
the
footprint
and
exacerbate
an
existing
deficiency
in
lot.
Coverage
will
increase
it
by
you
know
two
percent
exceeding
the
maximum
of
35
percent
allowed.
It
also
has
existing
off-street
parking
and
accessory
structure
deficiencies
that
will
not
be
changed
by
this
project,
but
because
the
project
is
brought
forward,
anything
existing
must
be
corrected.
D
So
does
everybody
have
this
in
front
of
them?
There's
a
an
image
of
the
deck.
D
Let's
do
a
quick
round
of
thoughts
on
this
I'll
start
with
you
cj.
That's
all
right!.
F
Sorry,
I
didn't
get
to
take
a
look
at
this
one.
This
is
just
a.
This
is
a
replacement
of
the
deck.
I.
D
H
I'm
just
trying
to
wrap
my
head
around
it.
I
I
think
it's
fine.
I
know
we
talked
about
front
yard
setbacks
earlier
tonight,
but
this
I'm
just
looking
at
the
street,
I'm
just
trying
to
get
a
sense
of
this
particular
situation
since
we're
talking
about
the
unique
character
of
streets
where
we
have
these
variances,
and
this
one
looks
you
know
very
residential:
it's
got
nice
porches
along
the
whole
length
of
it.
It
looks
like
people's
homes
are
basically
right
on
the
sidewalk
anyway,
there
are
nice
gardens
along
that.
L
I
agree
mitch,
it
would
have
been
nice
to
see
a
plan
of
how
much
is
how
far
it's
going.
The
picture.
I
you
know
I
kind
of
see
where
they're
going,
but
a
plan
would
have
been
better,
but
I
don't
have
a
problem
with
with
the
expansion
of
the
duck.
So
in
that
location.
D
Thank
you.
I
agree
that
the
images
it's
a
little
lacking
in
clarity,
but
we
get
the
general
impression
garrick.
E
A
I
mean
I
just
want
to
point
out
that
they're
saying
that
they're
gonna
be
within
one
foot
of
the
sidewalk.
So
if
I
read
this
correctly,
there's
a
there's
an
existing
okay,
the
existing
setback
is
a
the
existing
setback
is
the
required
setback
is
whatever
it
is,
and
they
have
an
existing
deficiency,
but
now
they're
proposing
to
be
one
foot
off
the
cycle
as
opposed
to.
Maybe
that's
fine,
but
I
didn't
you
know,
maybe
that's
fine,
that's
certainly
not
shown
in
the
drawings.
D
Yeah,
my
thoughts
are
that
this
is
a
you
know,
yorkshire,
just
kind
of
in
my
neighborhood,
and
it
is
very
residential
and
very
porch
oriented
and
it's
a
it's
a
fairly
like
neighborly
communal
area,
where
I
don't
feel
that
a
deck
close
to
the
sidewalk
is
going
to
impede
on
anybody's
experience
of
the
street.
A
You
know
yeah
I'll,
say
no
long-term
impacts,
you
know,
improvement
to
property
and
I
will
say
better
drawings
would
be
helpful
to
understand
the
project
right.
E
It's
a
school
and
it
looks
like
I'm
just
looking
in
the
street
view
and
it's
it
looks
like
the
front
yard
is
not
usable
because
there
are
concrete
piers.
Maybe
something
was
there
before,
so
I'm
guessing
it
to
be
used
as
outdoor
space
for
the
school
like
to
capture
that
yard.
That's
unusable
right
now,
which
might
be
something
we
want
to
see
right.
D
It's
a
benefit
if
we,
if
it's
taking
an
unusable
yard
and
beautifying
it
and
making
it
more
functional,
perfect
thanks,
emily,
okay,
lisa,
you
have
everything
you
need
for
that,
yep
great
all
right.
Let's
discuss
old,
new
business,
anything
on
the
anything
for
us
to
talk
about.
A
D
Yeah
good
question
I
do
feel
like
it
would
be
really
nice
to
have
another
retreat.
I
don't
know
if
we
want
to
do
it
next
month.
I
feel
open
to
it
how
to,
but
no,
it
doesn't
feel
required.
Elizabeth.
L
C
D
D
That
we
don't,
we
don't
get
to
do
nearly
enough,
especially
these
days
I
miss
going
out
for
drinks
after
meeting
so
okay,
well,
let's
lisa
wanna,
lisa
or
anya.
If
you
want
to
send
out
an
invitation
to
that,
we'll
say
that
it's
optional
for
people
but
we'll
highly
encourage
that
everyone
come
and
bring
their
families,
and
we
can
maybe
make
a
little
bit
of
a
plan
and
we'll
keep
it
we'll
keep
it
short.
D
D
It
doesn't
look
like
it
moving
on
to
reports
in
rob's
absence.
I
have
no
planning
board
share
report.
Garrett.
Do
you
have
a
bpw
report.
G
Yeah
it's
the
last
meeting
as
you.
If
you
haven't
heard,
there
was
a
lot
of
sorry
unexpected
damage
at
the
water
treatment
plant,
that's
going
to
cost
the
city
quite
a
bit,
so
it's
unfortunate
they're,
hoping
that
maybe
some
of
the
federal
funds
from
the
last
stimulus
package
might
help
with
that
and
just
last
comment
is
I
always
find
it
interesting.
G
It
happened
both
in
this
meeting
and
at
the
board
of
public
works,
but
we
spent
about
five
minutes
talking
about
the
two
million
dollars
of
damage
and
then
about
half
an
hour
talking
about
that
curb
cut
which
repeated
itself
here.
So
it's
always
funny
how
something's,
like
a
seemingly
small,
you
know
small
thing:
can
it,
but
it's
a
it's
a
complex.
It's
a
complicated,
curb
cut,
it's
a
really
complicated
site,
so
I
mean
that's
all
I
have
yeah.
D
Funny
thanks
gary
lisa
or
anyone
else
from
staff
have
any
direct
reports.
A
As
you
probably
know,
the
energy
code
supplement
for
green
buildings.
New
buildings
was
adopted
at
the
may
common
council
meeting,
so
yeah
that
will
be
in
take
in
effect
in
90
days
and
we'll.
A
Maybe
you
know
we're
sorting
out
what
the
training
will
be
for
that
and
how
exactly
it
will
integrate
into
site
plan
review
and
obviously
you
won't
be
evaluating
board
or
planning
staff
for
that
matter
won't
be
evaluating
buildings
for
compliance,
but
I'm
sure
you'll
be
interested
and
it'll
be
really
interesting
to
see
how
buildings
change
once
that
goes
into
effect,
or
we
have
had.
A
C
H
Lisa
is
there
any
determination
of
the
inlet
island
proposals?
There
were
three.
A
What
happens
next,
I
think
that
the
ira
has
another
meeting
and
then
they
make
a
recommendation
to
planning
committee
at
the
june
meeting.
I
think
that's
what
they're
targeting
but
we'll
see
if
I'm
not
sure
when
they're
when
they're
meeting
it
would
know
when
that
committee
is
meeting
and
what
we
should
know
soon,
and
I
will
let
you
know
if
they
plan
to
take
a
recommendation
to
planning
committee
or
if
they
need
more.
C
Time:
okay,
eric.
G
A
We
are
discussing
all
the
time
this
topic.
I
will
say
that
the
zoom
public
meetings
are
not
like
do
not
feel
at
this
point
like
an
urgent
topic
to
discuss.
We
seem
to
be
managing
it,
fine
and
and
the
governor's
you
know,
the
executive
order
is
still
in
place.
That
allows
us
to
do
this.
So
that's
not
you
know
we
talk
about
it,
but
not
like
in
a
way
that
we're
planning
it
we're
right.
A
Now
we're
sort
of
planning
more
how
to
get
people
back
in
the
office
and
what
the
right
method
is
and
what
how
much
density.
And
what
do
we
do?
We
haven't
even
opened
city
hall
up
to
the
public,
yet
so
that's
sort
of
our
shorter
term
goal
and
you
know
again
we
definitely
talk
about
the
zoom
meetings,
but
there's
no
decision
on
when
that
will
start
to
happen
again.
A
The
in-person
meetings-
and
you
know
a
lot
of
it-
depends
on
this
executive
order
and
I
think
you
know
it's
really
expanded
access
for
a
lot
of
people.
Of
course
it's
left
behind
some
people,
but
it's
really
made
these
meetings
successful
to
other
people
and
I'm
sure
all
of
the
you
know
hard-working
volunteer
p
people
who
do
you
know,
staff
who
are
in
these
boards?
Would
you
know,
I
assume
that
you
all
prefer
something
but-
and
I
think
we
have
to
grapple
too
with
you
know.
A
How
do
we
have
a
hybrid
meeting,
because
even
when
we
go
back
in
person,
it
seems
like
it
would
be
helpful
to
have
be
able
to
include
people
in
zoom
or
include
the
public
and
zoom
or
some
other
platform.
You
know
to
participate
if
they
can't
be
there
in
person.
So
again,
we've
talked
about
all
of
this,
but
we
haven't.
We
don't
have
a
plan,
yet
I
will
definitely
keep
you
posted
as
a
city
thanks.
D
I
know
I
know
some
folks
who
have
benefited
from
the
live
stream,
so
I
think
that's
a
great
would
be
a
great
addition
to
fold
into
our
regular
meetings.
D
Oh
everybody,
all
at
once
I'll,
say
elizabeth
and
mitch
seconded
and
let's
just
I'm
going
to
make
an
executive
decision
and
not
do
it
by
not
do
roll
calist
all
voting
all
in
favor
of
adjourning.
That
is
unanimous.
There.
We
have.