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B
Great
well,
I
think,
with
cj
being
out
tonight,
the
rest
of
us
are
here
and
we
can
go
ahead
and
get
started.
So
this
is
the
october
26th
meeting
of
ithaca's
planning
and
development
board,
we'll
start
with
introductions
and
I'll
just
go
around
my
screen.
Mckenzie
I'd
start
with
you.
B
B
B
B
A
I
don't
see
her
in
the
waiting
room,
yet
I
did
send
out
some
minutes.
Oh.
B
Why,
in
august
there
we
go,
are
there
or
is
there
a
motion
to
approve
june
july
and
august
minutes?
I
see
mitch
move.
I
see
emily.
Second,
any
discussion
seeing
none
all
those
in
favor
of
approving
the
aforementioned
minutes.
B
D
I
Great
I'm
cheryl
swink,
I
live
at
321
north
albany
street,
and
I
have
just
a
general
comment
today,
not
related
to
necessarily
to
any
of
the
projects
following
the
very
hot
and
humid
spring
and
summer
that
we
just
had.
I
would
like
to
share
my
concern
regarding
the
impact
of
changes
in
the
last
decade
to
downtown
zoning
density,
that
is,
allowing
very
substantial
increases
in
height
and
mass
of
new
buildings
and
little
to
no
setbacks
resulting
in
substantial
decrease
in
airflow
and
green
spaces
around
buildings.
I
These
changes,
I
realize,
are
exacerbating
the
heat
island
effect
of
density
in
the
downtown
ithaca
area
and
nearby
flatland
neighborhoods
and
as
more
buildings
go
up.
This
is
something
the
planning
and
development
board
and
the
planning
department
need
to
take
into
serious
consideration
in
their
determinations
of
environmental
significance
and
design
review
of
new
projects
coming
online
and
perhaps
even
take
a
careful
review
of
such
dense
zoning
as
it
relates
to
climate
change
predictions.
I
I
This
amount
of
heat
and
humidity
is
predicted
to
be
more
common
and
even
increase
with
the
long-term
effects
of
our
climate
change.
As
could
be
seen
on
the
news,
such
conditions
can
become
life-threatening,
especially
to
those
who
have
low
incomes,
inadequately
cooled
houses,
pre-existing
health
conditions
or
have
to
work
outside.
During
the
heat
of
the
day,
we
have
an
opportunity
to
look
down
the
road
and
begin
to
moderate.
I
These
impacts
on
on
how
we
treat
density
in
how
we
treat
density,
mass
and
open
space
in
our
city's
core
and
by
keeping
a
careful
eye
to
this
issue
as
new
developments
are
considered.
So
I
thank
you
for
becoming
more
attentive
to
this
aspect
of
our
future
development.
I
think
it's
something
we
may
I
haven't
heard
discussed
and
I
think
we
may
be
overlooking
okay.
Thank
you.
So
much.
B
C
B
J
Wonderful,
thank
you
so
much
and
again,
thank
you
all
for
taking
the
time
this
evening
to
meet
and
to
include
our
project
on
your
agenda.
This
is
the
second
time
before
the
planning
board.
As
you
know,
the
last
time
we
were
this
subdivision
was
advised
to
move
forward
to
the
zoning
board
of
appeals
for
review
and
approval,
which
did
happen
earlier
this
month
at
its
october
6th.
I
guess
it
was
meeting
so
this,
I
believe,
is
final
subdivision
approval.
B
Great
so
because
I've
been
out
of
the
loop
a
little
bit,
I
want
to
check
back
in
I'll
say
that
this
looks
relatively
uncomplicated
to
me,
but
has
this
been
before
the
board
before?
Has
there
been
discussion
on
this?
What
has
been
the
general
tenor
of
that
discussion?.
D
So
it's
a
two
lot
subdivision.
The
plan
is
for
two
single
family
homes
in
the
future.
They
haven't
yet
been
designed
and
there
was
some
concern
about.
D
They
have
to
bring
in
a
water
line,
and
there
was
some
concern
with
the
original
alignment
of
that
water
line
that
it
would
remove
too
many
trees.
So
they
did
a
sort
of
an
analysis
of
it
and
re-aligned
it
slightly
so
that
it
would
not
remove
as
many
trees
or
even
any
I'm.
Not,
I
can't
quite
remember
brett.
Was
it
no
trees
or
was
it
just
a
few?
I
can't
remember.
D
Okay,
so
that
was
the
only
main
issue:
it's
a
very
sloped
site,
a
lot
of
vegetation
and
they
plan
to
develop
very
with
very
low
density
on
a
level-ish
part
of
the
site.
B
Well,
that
to
me
sounds
relatively
uncomplicated.
I
think
it's
worth
going
around
the
room
and
checking
in
for
questions
comments
and
whether
people
feel
comfortable
moving
forward
towards
a
boat
mckenzie.
Could
I
start
with
you.
C
Yeah
no
questions
or
comments
from
me.
I
continue
to
be
in
support
of
this.
K
B
G
B
B
H
B
So
let's
go
ahead
and
move
towards
a
vote.
Is
there
a
motion
to
approve
the
orange
resolution
before
us?
Preliminary
and
final
subdivision
approval
emily
moves
elizabeth
seconds,
as
I
recall,
we've
been
trying
to
do
roll
call
votes
on
resolutions,
so
we
will
start
with
that.
Mckenzie.
B
M
Hello,
everyone,
I
think,
we're
running
a
little
bit
ahead
of
schedule.
We
had
told
our
team
that
we
were
on
the
agenda
at
6
40.,
so
it
may
take
a
moment
for
everyone
to
join
us.
B
You
are
on
the
agenda
for
6
30
you're
supposed
to
be
available
well
before
then.
So,
that's,
that's
disappointing.
Is
there
anything
else
we
could
accomplish?
In
the
meantime,
lisa.
D
Yeah,
so
I
mean
jacob
could
go
through
the
responses
he
could
go
through
the
material.
Do
you
want
to
start
now,
dick?
Could
you
go?
Can
you
start
and
go
through
the
material
in
the
packet
and
responding
to
the
plenty
board's
comments.
M
Yes,
I
may
not
be
able
to
answer
specific
questions
related
to
architecture,
but
I
can
certainly
go
through
given
general.
M
Okay,
so
can
everyone
see
my
screen?
Yes,
all
right,
so
we
are
looking
at
final
sight,
plane
approval
for
buildings
b
and
building
c
of
yuga
park,
formerly
carpenter
park.
M
M
So
in
the
last
month
we
had
very
productive
meetings
with
robert
feldwaldt
tom
parsons
and
megan
wilson
for
code
fire
and
zoning
respectively.
It
is
our
understanding
that
we
have
met
all
of
the
requirements
for
those
reviews,
so
we
are
here
again
looking
for
final
cycle
and
approval
vote
tonight.
M
There
have
been
some
additional
changes
from
what
we
presented
last
month,
so
I
can
go
through
those
fairly
quickly
while
we
wait
for
the
rest
of
my
team
to
show
up
the
major
change
directly
addressing
one
of
the
concerns
that
was
brought
up
at
the
previous
meeting
was
the
addition
of
about
3
000
square
feet
of
commercial
space.
M
Back
into
the
first
floor
of
building
b,
that
is
in
response
to
the
board's
concerns
about
the
street
frontage
and
the
display
boxes
and
the
character
of
that
line
along
the
the
street
there,
so
that
has
also
resulted
in
the
reduction
of
about
eight
parking
spaces
inside
the
building.
That's
these
two
commercial
spaces.
M
On
the
end
here,
I
I
believe
there
also
have
been
some
minor
rearrangements
internally
to
the
building
on
the
second
floor,
but
I
can't
really
speak
specifically
to
those
until
the
architect
show
up
goes
up
so
again:
reduction
in
building
height,
which
we've
already
went
over
there,
have
not
been
any
changes
to
the
floor
plan
of
building
c
only
building
b
from
the
previous
meeting.
M
M
We
we
did
realize
that
the
previous
renderings
actually
were
missing
a
few
landscape
elements
that
were
part
of
the
landscaping
plans
that
had
been
submitted.
These
trees
and
planters
were,
for
whatever
reason,
just
missing
from
the
rendering
and
the
previous
submissions,
so
we've
rectified
that
we've
also
looked
at
enlivening
some
of
those
window
boxes
and
instead
of
doing
display
cases,
some
alternating
alcoves
with
bench,
seating
and
planters,
we're
also
exploring
the
potential
to
do
some
vertical
green
wall
screening
along
that
as
well.
M
So
not
too
much
in
the
way
of
changes
to
civil.
We
have
been
in
conversations
with
nyseg
about
some
of
the
locations
for
transformers,
so
we're
starting
to
work
out
where
those
will
be
located.
We
expect
once
we
have
finalized
those
locations
as
those
discussions
move
forward,
we'll
we'll
probably
be
submitting
those
as
changes
to
city
staff,
to
review
whether
or
not
they're
significant
enough
to
come
back
for
further
site
plan
review.
M
That
is
the
bulk
of
it.
We
also,
in
speaking
with
lisa,
have
resubmitted
the
updated
tdm
plan.
We
understand
that
that
will
probably
be
a
condition
for
further
discussion
with
the
city
working
out
the
details
of
implementation,
but
it
is
our
understanding
that
that
can
happen.
M
Basically,
the
concern
there
was
that,
if
any
future
buildings
were
to
be
built
on
the
other
side
of
the
subdivision
property
line,
there
might
be
fire
code
separation,
fire
separation
issues,
but
that,
as
robert
has
indicated
in
a
memo
to
the
city
early
this
morning,
been
resolved
due
to
the
fact
that
the
easement
will
preclude
any
possible
legal
construction
of
buildings
within
that
area
of
concern.
D
I
think
that
can
best
be
seen
jacob
on
the
layout
on
just
the
layout
plan.
The
cover.
M
So
that
that
issue,
specifically,
basically
where
this
red
line
is
shown,
if
my
computer
can
catch
up
with
me
here,.
M
That
red
line
is
approximately
the
subdivision
line
and,
as
you
can
see,
building
b
is
very
close
to
that,
as
well
as
the
corner
of
building
c,
and
the
south
side
of
building
c
is
also
very
close
to
that.
However,
because
there
is
a
public
way
easement
proposed
along
that
entire
border,
it
would
preclude
any
future
building
in
that
area
and
therefore
the
fire
separation
issue
should
should
not
be
an
issue.
M
L
You
are
wonderfully
running
early
and
and
again
thanks.
This
has
been
a
long
multi-year
process,
so
we're
pretty
excited
about
the
potential
of
moving
this
tonight.
We
have
andy
botowitz
from
park.
Grove
we're
going
to
be
really
quick
about
this,
but
I
know
andy
had
a
couple
things
to
say,
as
we
did
listen
in
here
at
both
the
prc
and
at
the
last
planning
board
meeting.
I
think
we've
made
some
some
responses
and
andy
if
you
just
want
to
address
that
quickly.
L
I
think
we'll
also
be
joined
by
matt
from
from
pastoral
engineers
and
also
the
architects
from
barton,
but
go
ahead.
Andy.
P
Yeah
thanks
scott
and
very
quickly.
We,
we
appreciated
the
feedback
and
comments
not
only
at
the
prc
in
the
in
the
last,
but
also
the
last
planning
board
meeting.
We
are
very,
you
know,
challenged
in
terms
of
what
we
can
do
in
in
terms
of
additions
to
the
to
the
program
here,
as
as
I
laid
out
last
time,
given
the
challenges
with
dot,
but
we
are
making
good
progress
with
dot
and
we
want
to
keep
it
going
in
that
direction.
P
Nevertheless,
we
we
feel
we've
come
up
with
what
we
think
is
really
the
best
solution,
with
a
little
bit
of
a
compromise
on
our
part
and
added
a
little
bit
more
commercial
space
to
help
address
any
concerns
with
respect
to
the
frontage
and
that
street
front
and
having
that
commercial
space
on
13.,
I
think
it
totals
now
about
17
000
feet
and
essentially
takes
away
12
parking
spaces
and
swaps
that
for
a
commercial
you
know,
just
importantly,
we
also
feel
that
we,
you
know
beyond
the
traffic
issue
which
wouldn't
allow
us
to
increase
any
more.
P
We
think
this
is
a
good
compromise,
but
we
wouldn't
want
to
be
kovitz
really
changed
everything
quite
honestly
in
terms
of
commercial,
and
we
feel
this
ultimately
is
the
right
mix
and
the
right
number,
not
only
given
the
traffic
issues
we
have
but
going
beyond.
That
would
really
stretch
the
feasibility
and
viability
of
the
project
to
have
too
much
commercial.
So
we
feel
it's
a
good
compromise.
P
We
appreciate
the
feedback
we
wanted
to
try
to
address
some
of
those
comments
and
I
think
the
design
stuff
that
barton
did
with
the
remaining
space
is
very
effective
and
we
feel
it
will
address
any
other
concerns
and
hopefully,
seth
will
join
and
can
speak
to
a
little
more
detail.
What
he's
done
there,
but
thank
you
all
for
all
the
time
on
this
project.
We
we
do
look
forward
to
hopefully
a
good
resolution
tonight
to
final
approval,
and
we
we
look
forward
to
being
able
to
move
this
project
forward.
We're
excited
about
it.
B
Great,
I
cut
out
for
a
little
bit
internet
issues.
I'm
not
totally
sure
what
happened
while
I
was
gone
sounds
like
more
of
the
applicant
is
here
which
is
great.
Are
we
ready
to
go
around
the
board
and
get
feedback
on
what
we've
seen
or
does
the
applicant
have
more
to
show
us.
L
M
Also
for
the
benefit
of
the
team
members
that
have
just
joined
the
the
board
did
ask
that
I
go
through
the
changes
already,
so
we
have
gone
through
as
a
general
overview
of
what
has
been
updated
from
the
previous
meeting,
but
we
did
not
touch
on
any
specifics
relating
to
architecture.
M
B
So,
let's
maybe
go
around
the
board,
get
reactions
to
what
we've
seen
see
what
our
next
steps
are.
Mckenzie.
Could
I
start
with
you.
C
Yeah,
thank
you.
I
appreciate
the
context
about
how
much
the
the
industry
has
changed,
both
the
the
building
and
then,
of
course,
the
occupancy
side
of
it
with
retail.
I
don't
think
that
we'll
regret
moving
some
of
those
commercial
spaces
back
in
and
like
limiting
that
you
know
those
those
window
blocks
like
I,
I
think
that's
a
good
decision
and
I
really
love
the
addition
of
you
know:
potential
living,
green
walls
and
seating,
and
I
was
actually
going
to
ask
tonight
about
outdoor
seating.
I
feel
like.
C
C
I
have
a
sense
of
outdoor
seating
spaces
throughout
yeah
throughout
the
site,
so
apologies,
if
I'm
just
not
remembering,
and
thanks
for
the
transportation
demand
management
plan,
is
I
assume
that
you
know
this
is
something
that
I
find
interesting,
but
I
mostly
want
to
put
my
trust
in
like
city
engineer
and
so
on
and
so
forth,
and
so,
if
they've
signed
off,
then
I'm
I
feel
I
feel
comfortable
with
it
and
appreciate
the
breakdown
and
thoughtfulness,
particularly
around
the
you
know:
strategies,
education
and
vancouver
bicycle
parking.
F
B
G
G
You
know
I
think,
taking
the
blue
color
off
of
the
top,
where
you
reduce
the
height
of
this
building.
That's
that's
shown
right
now
makes
it
look
less
massive.
So
from
an
aesthetic
point
of
view,
it
feels
lighter
it's
still
a
dynamic
structure,
and
you
know
I
saw
that
the
parking
was
cut
almost
in
half,
but
the
commercial
space
was
only
cut
by
a
third,
and
that
feels
I
understand
the
rest
is
for
residential,
but
that
to
me
feels
like
the
right
ratio
to
keep
the
main
street
feel
that
was
so
compelling
early
on.
O
E
Yeah
looks
good,
I'm
glad
you
put
the
retail
back
thanks
for
that,
and
you
know
this
continues
to
be,
I
think,
a
really
great
project
for
the
site
in
proximity
to
the
waterfront,
and
on
that
note
I
just
had
a
couple
of
points
here.
You
know
it's
a
nice
destination,
I'm
hoping
that
at
the
end
of
the
day,
this
thing
feels
more
related
to
ithaca,
and
I-
and
I
guess
I
don't
know
how
to
put
this,
but
it
feels
a
little
generic
to
me
right
now.
E
I
mean
you
call
the
buildings
steamboat
apartments,
I
think
so
you
know
signage
maps,
context
maps,
something
that
makes
it
feel
like
it's
more
a
part
of
our
community,
and
I
don't
really
have
any
suggestions
for
that,
but
I
hope
that
you
might
do
that
in
some
of
the
public's,
but
the
main
public
space
or
when
you
come
in
or
where
pedestrians
are
it's
also
about
relating
it
to
the
community
garden.
E
Potentially,
you
know
to
be
able
to
kind
of
have
that
collaborative
impact
and
that
synergy
of
the
community
garden
and
this
development
together,
I
think,
would
be
really
nice.
So
that's
one
kind
of
point.
The
other
one
is
more
specific
related
to
those
alcoves
and
the
sidewalk
space
in
front
of
the
retail
you
took
away.
E
I
feel,
like
those
planter
boxes,
aren't
really
cutting
it
with
the
trees
and
I'm
wondering
if
there's
an
approach
where
you
could
have
a
continuous
kind
of
planted,
curb
that
that
allows
a
bit
more
landscape
in
front
of
those
alcoves.
You
know
right
now,
you
can
see
the
benches
are
kind
of
sitting
there.
Looking
out
on
the
parking
lot,
I
don't
think
that's
a
great
condition.
E
So
if
that's
something
you
could
rethink
about
adding
a
strip
of
landscape,
that's
more
continuous
and
more
planted.
I
think
that
would
be
nice
and
then
my
third
comment
is
about
the
color.
You
know
emily.
You
just
mentioned
the
blue
top,
which
I
agree
with,
but
this
rendering
shows
the
punch-outs
there
and
the
windows
as
orange,
which
I
think
is
better
than
the
what
you
sent
in
the
package,
which
is
terra
cotta,
which
makes
it
look
like
a
red
white
and
blue
kind
of
flag.
E
And
I
you
know
I've
talked
about
the
color
of
this
building
since
way
back
and
I
don't
think
red,
white
and
blue
is
the
right
color
palette,
I
think
orange
and
brown
is
probably
more
appropriate.
This
is
subjective
comment,
but
I'd
like
to
bring
it
up,
and
I
hope
you'd
consider
that
seriously,
because
I
think
the
red,
white
and
blue
and
even
the
light
blue
on
building
c
is
not
really
cutting
it
for
me.
So
anyway,
great
project
and
I'm
definitely
willing
to
move
this
forward
tonight.
B
H
I
agree
with
mitch's
and
emily's
comments.
I
do
like
the
orange
better.
The
red,
white
and
blue
would
be
a
little
keychain.
I
also
think
there
might
be
an
opportunity
for
public
art
on
those
alcoves.
H
I
really
enjoy
seeing
all
those
murals
around
ithaca
and
then
popping
up
very
famous
international
artists,
actually
all
over
new
york.
I
think
buffalo
has
a
few
as
well
and
I'm
not
sure
if
you'll
have
room
for
more
landscaping,
but
I
think
the
addition
of
some
public
art
would
be
great
and
I'm
really
happy
to
see
the
mixed
use
back,
and
so
I'm
ready
to
vote
on
this
project
today.
Great.
B
M
Yes,
so
it's
this
face
here,
which
does
directly
face
the
community
gardens
which
will
have.
I
believe
that
is
an
opaque
fence
close
to
that
side
of
the
building.
B
Okay,
well,
I'm
not
sure
to
what
extent
the
board
has
an
appetite
to
have
you
revisit
that,
but
I
feel
like
that
facade
used
to
be
better
and
it's
it's
a
pretty
visible
facade.
Q
C
C
M
M
We
do
not
have
renderings
of
that
side
of
the
building
to
share
with
you.
D
M
So
previously,
this
second
access
was
an
additional
five
bay
angled
parking
area.
With
the
rearrangement
of
the
parking
interior
to
the
building
yeah,
it
became
a
second
entrance
exit
for
parking
and
removed
those
five
surface
parking
spaces,
so
that
that
is
the
primary
change
to
that
facade.
Aside
from
the
fact
that
the
overall
height
of
the
building
was
reduced,.
B
So
I
feel
like
the
overall
effect
of
that
facade
is
very
back
of
house,
especially
for
how
visible
I
believe
that
facade
is
going
to
be
mitch.
I
saw
your
hand.
E
E
I
think
it's
a
larger
issue
with
the
architecture
of
the
buildings
which
I'm
not
thrilled
about,
and
you
know
that's
why
I
take
your
point,
but
I
don't
think
there's
really
much
that
we
can
do
here
in
terms
of
the
service
access
and
what
they're
doing
what
they're
trying
to
accomplish
with
just
getting
this
thing
off
the
ground.
So.
B
B
D
Yeah
I
just
if
did
anybody
have
a
another
opinion
on
this,
that
this
is
something.
D
So
this
isn't
on
your
specific
site
plan,
but
it's
just
something
I
was
noticing
on
the
layout
plan.
Actually,
if
you
could
go
back
to
it,
there's
something
there's
a
gap
in
the
sidewalk
to
you
know
on
the
to
the
right
of
this
at
the
entrance.
I
guess
it's
at
an
entrance
to
something
I
don't
know
the
sidewalk
comes
in
from
third
street
and
then
there's
a
gap
where
it
seems
to
stop.
O
M
Yeah,
so
that's
that's
where
the
adjacent
property
line
basically
corners
in
tight
to
the
road
alignment.
There's
certainly
the
potential
to
put
a
crosswalk
there,
but
it
would
need
to
go
across
the
adjacent
property
owner's
parcel,
which
is
why
it's
not
currently
shown.
L
Right,
it's
a
it's!
The
driveway
for
the
for
the
kitchen
store.
C
C
M
C
L
K
Will
certainly
look
at
that,
and
this
is
matt
with
pastoral.
You
know
what
we
can
do
is
we
can
talk
with
that
property
owner
to
see
if
they'll
allow
us
to
stripe
a
crosswalk
there
that
doesn't
seem
like
a
very
big
deal
and
I'm
sure
they're
going
to
be
okay
with
it.
D
B
Yeah,
I
think
if
you
could
work
it
out
with
a
neighboring
property
owner
that
would
be
ideal.
I
think
mckenzie's
point
that
you
can
always
do
it
on
your
own
property
is
well
taken.
It
does
look
like
it
wants
to
cut
across
that
property.
I
mean
it
it
that's,
certainly
where
the
straight
line
is
but
yeah.
If
you
could
just
commit
to
reaching
out
and
trying
to
push
that
forward.
I
think
that
there,
the
board
could
probably
get
comfortable.
L
We
will
indeed
can
I
address
a
couple
things
that
were
raised.
Sure
mckenzie
had
raised
the
point
earlier
about
seeding
around
and
there
is
an
area
that
we
looked
at
earlier
in
the
project
that
hasn't
changed
much
between
building
b
and
building
c,
that
has
landscape
and
seating,
and
that's
where
the
primary
part
of
that
will
be.
L
We
are
right
in
the
middle
right
now
of
doing
the
wayfinding
for
the
entire
neighborhood
and
that's
very
much
on
our
mind
of
the
connectivity
between
the
gardens
between
the
market
between
the
new
green
star,
the
all
the
neighborhood
signage
that
will
tie
this
together
and
you'll
be
seeing
that
as
a
as
a
separate
package.
B
Great
lisa,
I
believe
the
applicant
mentioned
that
the
code
issues
were
resolved.
At
this
point.
I
did
have
some
notes
here
about
an
outstanding
building
code
issue
that
was
going
to
require
something
on
the
resolution.
I'm
just
going
to
ask
you
to
explain
whatever
the
current
situation
is
to
us.
D
Sure-
and
I
put
it
in
the
resolution-
if
you
would
like
to
move
the
resolution,
I
can
pull
up.
I
actually
rewrote
the
resolution
based
on
what
happened
today
with
this
issue,
so
I
can
show
you
it's
explained
in
the
revised
resolution.
I
can
pull
it
up
on
the
screen.
Let's.
B
Do
that,
okay?
Is
there
a
motion
for
said
resolution,
final
approval
for
this
I
see
emily
and
then
I
see
mckenzie.
Second,
we
will
hold
off
on
discussion
for
a
little
bit
while
lisa
pulls
up
the
resolution.
B
Do
you
see
it?
I
do.
D
So
I
added
two
warehouses
in
here,
and
so
this
should
be
a
familiar
situation
to
you
because
we
just
dealt
with
it
at
401,
east
state
street,
so
because
the
buildings
are
right
on
the
property
line.
D
When
they
subdivided
the
property,
but
it
doesn't
matter
building
code
doesn't
care
about
that.
They,
because
the
building's
right
on
the
property
line,
they
have
a
fire
separation
issue.
And
if
you
recall,
the
property
line
is
the
road
right.
So
they
have
several
options
on
how
to
resolve
this.
But
what
they
have
selected
is
to
dedicate
or
establish
a
public
way
on
the
road,
and
that
is
the
only
without.
R
D
The
buildings
or
moving
the
property
line
that
is
really
their
only
option,
can't
be
a
no
build.
Easement
has
to
be
an
actual
public
way
which
is
defined
in
building
code.
So
I
added
these
two
whereases
to
explain
that
that
it
doesn't
comply
with
fire
separation
and
then
the
applicant
intends
to
pursue
the
establishment
of
the
public
way
within
the
road
and
that
would
have
to
be
a
condition
of
the
building
permit.
D
B
D
All
right,
so
I
added
those
two
whereases
and
then
I
added
a
condition
in
here:
the
establishment
of
required
public
ways
to
find
a
building
code
to
resolve
compliance
with
fire
submission
distances.
Those
are
the
differences
from
the
resolution
that
you
have.
B
Great
now
would
be
a
reasonable
time
to
open
up
said
resolution
for
discussion,
especially
concerning
conditions,
any
conditions
that
people
either
have
questions
about
that
currently
exists
or
would
wish
to
add
relating
to
any
of
the
concerns
that
were
brought
up
today.
I
know
I
heard
things
about
planting
and
I
heard
things
about
the
crosswalk
there's
some
enthusiasm
for
a
screen
wall.
B
The
resolution
has
been
moved
and
then
lisa
talked
us
through
her.
E
I
was
just
hoping
we
could
add
something
about
the
planting
along
the
east,
facade,
sidewalk
and
also
something
about
colors.
I'd
really
like
to
push
this.
I
don't
want
to
ignore
this.
I
think
we're
getting
some
colors
wrong
on
buildings
that
we've
been
approving.
So
if
this
can
be
like,
I
don't
know
how
we
do
it,
but
if
there
are
options
that
they
could
submit
to
staff
and
then
that
submit
you
know
disseminated
through
email
and
we
vote
on
it.
I'm
not
sure
how
that
works.
B
I
would
punt
to
lisa
and
say:
how
would
we
want
to
work
those
two
resolutions
in
one
about
go
ahead.
D
So
you
propose
that
amendment
and
you
propose
whatever
amendment
you
want
and
then
they
can
vote
on
the
amendment
to
the
to
the
propose
of
the
amendment
about
the
colors
and
it
can
be
staff
related
if
you
want
staff
approval
and
then
the
board
can
vote
on
your
amendment
to
the
resolution.
E
E
B
Okay,
so
that
has
been
moved
lisa
is
that
we
need
anything
more
on
that
fleshed
out
before
we
we
vote
on
that.
B
Is
there
a
second
for
mitch's
amendment?
I
saw
emily
move
also,
our
emily
ii
also
saw
elizabeth
second,
and
does
this
need
to
be
a
roll
call
vote,
or
can
amendments
be
voice,
vote
or
you
know,
hand,
vote.
B
Anything
it's
totally
fine.
Any
discussion
on
mitch's
proposed
amendment.
E
B
Come
right
back
to
you,
so
let's
go
ahead
and
vote
on
mitch's
amendment
concerning
color
and
submission
of
color
choices
to
staff
for
review
by
board
garrick.
I'm
going
to
start
with
you.
F
B
Okay,
emily.
G
B
Yes,
I
also
vote.
Yes,
I
think
garrick's
point's,
a
good
one.
I
don't
know
how
I
mean,
I
think,
probably
for
email
dissemination.
It's
gonna
not
be
a
material.
You
know.
I
am
personally
comfortable
enough
with
that,
but
I
think
I
think
it's
worth
checking
to
see
if
there's
a
general
level
of
comfort
with
that.
E
I
think
it's
the
the
elevations
with
the
color
sample
the
color
themes
in
the
package.
It's
the
elevation
with
the
color
theme
and
the
rendering
should
obviously
match
in
in
any
determination
of
whatever
color.
That
is,
they
should
match,
but
they're
not
matching
right
now
and
that's
why
I'm
bringing
it
up-
and
I
again
you
know
what
I
think
so.
B
Fair
enough,
I
think
that's
pretty
clear
as
far
as
a
resolution
lisa
do
you
need
any
more
on
that.
D
I
don't
need
any
more,
but
just
to
give
guidance
to
the
applicant
is
it
I
just
is
it
that
you
would
prefer
orange
to
terra
cotta?
Would
that
take
care
of
the
would
that?
Would
that
satisfy
the
the
the
request,
or
is
it
deeper
than
that.
E
I
mean
I,
I
think,
that's
an
option.
I
I
think
yeah
I
mean
that.
Would
that
would
help?
I
don't.
I
don't
know
if
that
then
goes
with
light
blue
or
if
they
want
to
rethink
that.
You
know
you
have
to
look
at
it
kind
of
holistically
like
it
would
help
to
actually
see
now,
I
think
of
it,
a
rendering
that
shows
both
buildings
in
one
scene,
so
you
can
sense
the
color
pattern
of
this
whole
development
as
you're
driving
down
route
13..
E
You
know,
I
think
we
need
to
look
at
it
holistically,
so
possibly
orange,
but
I
think
there
might
be
other
ideas
too.
L
So
just
a
question
on
that
is
just
for
clarity,
as
we
understand
it.
So
so
we
hear
that
the
orange
more
orange,
as
opposed
to
more
terra
cotta,
is
preferable
and
just
in
terms
of
action
for
us
we'll
when
we
do
have
we're
in
our
final
drawings.
For
that
now,
as
that's
chosen,
we'll
submit
that
to
lisa
for
for
informational
purposes,
correct.
B
It
sounded
to
me
like
it
was
more
than
informational.
It
sounded
like
there
was
a
gun.
B
B
P
This
is
andy,
we'll
submit
something,
but
I
can't
guarantee
everybody's
going
to
be
happy
with
the
colors.
I
mean
really.
This
isn't
something
that
it's
our
building
we
own
it.
We
got
to
be
happy
ourselves
with
it
too.
So
we're
happy
to
work
with
you
as
we
have
been
the
whole
time,
but
I'm
not
going
to
sit
here
tonight,
guarantee
you
guys
are
all
going
to
say.
Yeah
we
love
it.
Somebody
might
not
be
happy.
That's
just
the
way
things
work
so.
S
E
S
P
B
P
I
said
we'd
share
and
we'd
work
with
you,
but
we
don't
want
to
be
dictated
to
either.
So
that's
I
just
wanted
to
make
that
clear.
That's
all
we've
been
very
cooperative
the
whole
way
and
we
will
continue
to
be
try
to
be
cooperative,
but
we
I
just
say-
and
I
think
it's
important
point-
I
can't
assure
that
everybody's
going
to
be
happy
we're
going
to
try
our
best,
but
we
need
to
be
happy
with
it
too.
That's
all
it's
a
huge
investment
sure.
D
E
L
D
B
Does
that
capture
what
you
want
mitch
nods
any
questions
or
comments
on
mitch's
proposed
amendment
all
right:
let's
go
ahead
and
move
into
a
vote
on
set
amendment
garrick
I'll
start
with
you
eric
says
yes,
emily.
O
B
Elizabeth
says:
yes,
I
also
say
yes,
so
the
amendment
is
approved
any
other
further
discussion
before
we
move
to
a
vote
on
this
resolution.
B
O
B
G
N
B
Emily,
I'm
sorry
my
screen
just
changed
and
so
everybody's
in
a
different
order.
Elizabeth!
That's
to
you
right.
H
B
I
believe
I
did
all
right,
so
that
should
be
unanimous
approval
for
this
project.
L
P
U
Yep,
I
think
adam
fishel
should
be
in
the
waiting
room
as
well.
U
All
right
so,
between
our
last
meeting
and
now
really
nothing
has
changed.
I
think
at
the
last
meeting
I
was
in
front
of
you
guys
and
updated
the
layout,
based
on
constructability
conversations
that
we've
had.
U
We
had
to
eliminate
the
unit
on
the
ground
floor
on
the
east
side,
so
we
now
have
the
grading
kind
of
wraps
around
the
corner
and
down
the
face
of
the
building
which
allows
us
to
kind
of
bench
back
some
of
the
soils
that
are
in
there,
so
that
kind
of
that
that
created
kind
of
the
the
current
plan
that
we
see
here.
U
In
doing
so,
it
added
a
couple
of
items
to
the
variance
request
which
we've
outlined
to
you
guys
I
can
kind
of
go
through,
but
I
wanted
to
kind
of
just
show
some
of
the
the
updated
renderings
you
know
this
is
the
the
view
from
bryant.
You
know
the
old.
U
So
I'll
kind
of
back
up
a
little
bit,
but
this
is
where
that
old
unit
used
to
be
and
that
we
had
to
remove
so
that
we
could,
you
know
bench
back
our
foundations
and
soils
from
the
property
line
on
the
east
here.
U
So
what
it
actually
has
allowed
us
to
do
is
to
bring
the
the
grading
back
to
the
building,
wrap
it
around
the
corner
and
extend
some
of
the
plantings
on
that
corner.
So
we've
got
kind
of
you
know.
Some
additional
plantings
here
created
some
more
space.
We've
got
a
larger
shade
tree
on
that
kind
of
southeast
corner
and
then
we've
kind
of
you
know
reworked
some
of
the
patios
and
tried
to
increase
our
planting
plan.
U
In
the
front,
we
created
some
space
for
some
growing
ivy
up
the
the
retaining
walls
here
to
try,
and
you
know
layer
that
a
little
bit
with
some
of
the
the
additional
greenery
on
that
you
know
the
the
layout
hasn't
changed,
so
those
are
really
the
biggest
the
biggest
change
between
kind
of
the
last
time
when
I
updated
you
guys-
and
here
is
you
know
when
we
had
to
eliminate
this
one
unit
in
the
lower
right
corner,
I
did
go
through
per
the
request,
so
here's
kind
of
an
updated
street
elevation
showing
kind
of
the
shade
tree
and
the
units
that
are
there,
as
well
as
the
view
looking
west
from
dryden
road
and
what
you
can
see
here
is
you
know
from
the
sidewalk
with
the
shade
tree:
that's
there
you
can
you
can
unless
you're
right
up
on
the
building,
you
can't
make
it
out
it's.
U
It
is
concealed
back
there.
So
I
think
what
I'd
like
to
do
is
kind
of
just
cover
a
little
bit
of
well.
I
think
tonight
we're
going
to
be
looking
for
negdeck
on
seeker
as
well
as
recommendation
to
bza.
So
I'll
walk
you
through
kind
of
a
couple
of
the
the
variance
requests
that
we'll
be
looking
for
recommendation
on
the
the
two
that
we've
kind
of
always
maintained
the
area
variance.
You
know
our
lot
coverage
based
on
the
building
and
the
grade.
U
If
everyone
recalls
we've
got
kind
of
about
a
27
foot
grade,
difference
between
the
elevation
on
dryden
and
the
northeast
corner
of
the
property,
the
existing
house
that
sits
up
here
sits
on
the
flat
part
up
at
the
top,
so
we've
actually
had
to
you
know
we
brought
the
building
down
to
the
street
to
engage
dryden
in
doing
so.
U
You
know
in
order
to
kind
of
access
some
of
that
space
in
the
back
we've
kind
of
you
know,
the
building
layout
hasn't
changed,
but
you
know
it
does
exceed
the
building
area
variants
on
that
one
which
we'll
be
looking
for
recommendation
on
and
the
other
was
the
rear
yard
the
existing
building.
I
can
actually
bring
it
up
here,
just
as
a
refresher.
U
The
existing
building
is
only
about
4.7
feet
off
the
rear
property
line.
We're
actually
looking
to
go.
Eight
foot,
six
off
the
property
line
to
our
rear
yard.
That
would
be
to
the
face
of
the
building.
The
variance
house
that
we're
looking
for
is
five
foot
from
the
rear
property
line.
That
would
allow
us
to
have
the
balconies
that
are
in
the
rear
that
you'd
see
here.
U
U
The
other
one
in
these
the
next
couple
are
ones
that
are
a
result
of
changing
or
eliminating
that
unit.
On
the
ground
floor
when
we
did
so
down
here,
it
actually
kicked
us
out
of
the
row
house
that
we
had
been
kind
of
designing
towards
the
entire
time
and
maintaining-
and
you
know,
I
think
it
still
hits
all
the
points
of
the
the
row
house.
U
But
in
doing
so
we
no
longer
have
the
benefit
of
the
verbiage
in
in
the
cr4
district
of
a
zero
lot
line
or
a
zero
setback
on
the
side
yard.
So
we'd
be
asking
for
a
variance
on
the
side
yard
setbacks
on
both
sides.
We'd
have
a
six
yard.
Six
inch
setback
on
the.
O
U
Additionally,
it
was
the
building
length
in
the
cr4.
With
the
row
house,
we
were
allowed
to
have
up
to
100
foot
length
of
the
building.
You
know
with
it
kind
of
varies,
so
we
created
this
kind
of
sawtooth
edge
and
you
know
set
the
building
back
and
kind
of
played
with
that
that
alignment
to
to
dryden
in
kind
of
losing
that
we
lost
that
ability
for
row
house,
so
we're
looking
for
relief
on
that
building
length
requirement
and
then
the
last
is
green
space.
U
You
know
in
looking
at
the
overall
coverage
of
the
lot
we've
taken
every
available
opportunity
we
can
to
create
whatever
green
space
plant.
It
create
varied
heights
and
depths
and
colors.
You
know
we
provided
landscaping,
it
grows
over
the
walls
and
down
the
walls
and
from
the
bottoms
up-
and
you
know
so
I
think-
and
I
can
show
these
are
some
of
the
plants
that
we're
intending
on
using.
So
we've
got
some.
You
know
daylilies,
which
would
be
down
along
the
street.
We've
got
some
pencil
point
junipers
in
there.
U
The
rug
juniper
is
what
we
have
kind
of
at
the
top
of
the
wall,
which
is
growing
down.
We've
created,
you
know,
use.
K
U
U
So
we
need
to
use
something
that
doesn't
have
a
large
canopy
on
it,
but
still
gives
us
some
height
and
some
body,
and
then
we
have
you
know
grasses
and
iv
growing
up
the
wall.
Some
other
lower
kind
of
ground
cover.
So
you
know.
U
So
really,
I
think
that's
the
the
biggest
update
to
this.
I
think
we're
you
know.
Realistically,
not
a
whole
lot
has
changed.
So
it's
tough
to
talk
for
a
long
time
about
things
that
haven't
changed
so.
B
Thanks
for
walking
us
through
it,
our
actions
tonight
are
a
potential
neg
deck
and
then
a
recommendation
to
the
bza
about
the
variances
that
were
just
mentioned.
Unless
there's
any
member
of
the
board
wishing
to
go
ahead
and
respond
to
what
we've
seen,
I
would
suggest
we
go
ahead
and
get
into
the
part
three.
B
E
I
just
had
one
question:
what
is
the
percentage
of
green
space?
That's
required
with
this
change
out
of
town
homes,
and
what
do
you
have?
We've.
D
Yeah,
it's
all.
If
you
look
at
the
part
three
at
the
end,
the-
and
you
also
have
a
zoning
analysis
in
your
packet.
The
green
space
requirement
is
25
and
they
are
providing
11.3,
and
that
has
been
the
case
all
along.
This
was
not
triggered
by
the
change
in
row
house,
the
things
that
were
triggered
by
the
change
to
not
be
a
row
house
where
the
maximum.
B
D
Yeah,
the
variances
I
I
drafted
some
of
the
I
in
the
variances,
I've
described
them
and
I
drafted
based
on
what
I've
heard.
You
say
what
I
thought
I
heard
you
say
for
reasoning
about
impact,
but
not
all
of
them,
because
the
new
ones
we
haven't
had
time
to
talk
about.
So
I
would
like
you
to
review
the
draft
language
and
then
give
me
some
feedback
on
what
to
put
for
things
that
I
haven't
actually.
O
D
So
again,
starting
on
page
nine
consistency
with
community
plans,
I
do
want
to
point
out.
I
put
the
intent
of
the
cr4
district
at
the
top
for
your
review
as
you
evaluate
these
variances
and
then
the
different,
the
each
of
the
variances
is
described
with
some
rationale.
H
D
H
And
why
is
39
units
still
highlighted?
Was
that
number
change.
G
Thank
you,
I
mean,
I
think.
The
reason
for
the
lot
coverage
is
the
same
reason
for
the
green
space,
the
additional
planting
in
the
front.
B
D
D
B
B
D
U
D
O
U
O
D
D
G
I
think
we
should
make
that
a
condition
that,
if,
for
some
reason,
you're
not
able
to
use
that
side
transformer,
it
should
come
back
for
review
of
placement,
and
just
just
so,
we
know
where
it
is,
and
we
can.
I
don't
know
how
much
we
can
do
about
it,
but
maybe
there's
options
as
to
placement
if
it
has
to
go
in
the
front
yep.
U
B
I'm
noticing
a
highlighted
area
that
we
need
to
see
location
and
layout
for
bike
parking
bike
storage
room
that
can
wait
till
site
plan
review
right.
We
don't
need
that
for
tonight.
Okay,
I.
B
And
I
see
you
know
a
bunch
of
highlighted
headers
under
construction-related
impacts.
Is
there
anything
especially
concerning
that
we
want
to
make
sure
we
dive
into
tonight.
O
D
An
official
construction
logistics
plan,
so
this
was
just
you
know
what
they
know
at
this
point,
so
it
was
just
for
a
review.
U
E
I
just
wanted
to
comment
about
the
the
zoning
analysis
and
the
fact
that
there
are
now
five
zoning
variances
required
after
the
the
redesignation
from
row
house
to
something
else.
You
know
this
question
came
up
in
last
month's
meeting
about
how
many
variances
are
too
many
or
too
little,
and
I
just
want
to
say
that
every
project
is
contextual
right,
like
it
matters.
E
What
are
the
surrounding
buildings
and
what
are
the
surrounding
neighbors
thinking
and
what
is
the
condition
along
the
street
and
what's
the
condition
of
the
lot,
the
topography
and
here's
a
project
that
has
five
variances,
that
I
think
we
should
support,
because
the
redesignation
from
row
house
is
it's
basically
semantics.
This
is
a
row
house
typology,
and
so
it
makes
sense
for
us
to
kind
of
support
these
variances
and
say
the
things
we're
saying
and
even
with
other
projects,
I
think
variances
are
supportable.
E
So
I
just
I
kind
of
want
to
just
put
that
out
there
in
terms
of
how
we
review
these.
You
know
variances
from
zoning
zoning
is
not
the
final
be-all
and
end-all
ruling
of
how
projects
get
designed
and
built
right.
There's
a
matter
of
interpretation
based
on
context
and
community
feedback.
So
I
I
would
just
like
to
say
that,
as
part
of
this
project.
B
Thanks
mitch,
other
questions
or
comments
on
the
part
three.
B
Oh
great,
is
there
a
motion
for
the
negative
declaration
resolution
before
us?
I
see
mckenzie
move.
I
saw
elizabeth
second
before
we
move
into
voting.
Is
there
any
discussion
of
that
resolution?
D
There's
nothing
tricky.
I
do
see
a
mistake
that
it
should
be
a
f-e-a-f,
not
an
s-e-a-f.
O
G
D
B
Great
does
that
work
for
you
great
yeah,
any
other
discussion
of
the
resolution.
B
G
B
No,
I
didn't
that
could
have
been
my
end.
Garrick
garrick
votes,
yes,
mckenzie.
O
B
B
I
want
to
use
the
phrase
row
house
typology,
the
mix
the
mitch
pulled
out
earlier.
I
think
that
that
definitely
supports
two
of
the
the
five
lisa.
D
D
C
J
D
B
I
think
that
makes
sense
anything
to
add
at
this
point
from
any
member
of
the
board.
Garrick.
F
F
I
mean
you
could
have
five
variances
and
it'd
be
a
minor
thing
and
one
variance-
and
it's
a
major
thing,
and
I
just
I
really
think
we
want
to
kind
of
back
away
from
this
notion
that
you
know
five
variants
is
asking
for
a
lot,
but
one
error
is
variance,
is
not
asking
asking
for
a
lot
or
whatever.
I
think,
there's
no
relationship
between
the
impact
on
the
the
community
and
the
number
of
variances
at
least
that's
my
view.
E
Well,
I
just
wanted
to
just
reconfirm
this
notion
of
of
landscape,
because
there
is
a
difference
in
the
percentage
coverage
here
and
I
know
you've
showed
those
plant
images
and-
and
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
not
talking
about
one
or
two
plants
here
and
there.
This
needs
to
be
really
substantial.
It
needs
to
be
packed
with
plants
and
that
honey
locust
needs
to
be
a
four-inch
caliper
honey.
You
know
you
know
what
I'm
talking
about
like
if
we're
gonna,
you
know,
support
this
notion
of
of
that
variance.
E
D
U
Yep-
and
I
know
adam's
looked
at
that-
you
know
he's
on
the
line
with
us
as
well,
but
that
that
was
the
intent.
You
know
some
of
those
things
I
think
are
evergreen
right.
I
mean
they're
meant
to
stay
green
all
year,
correct.
T
And
this
has
been
prepared
and
and
consultation
with
our
landscape
architect
out
of
rochester
so
and
who
was
available
at
one
meeting
to
discuss
the
plantings.
So
if
they
need
to
come
back
on
be
concerned,
certainly
do
so
during
site
plan
review.
B
Great
so
that
I
think,
does
it
for
this
project
today,
thank
you
to
the
applicant
and
that
oh
nose
or
more.
B
We
were
working
through
language
with
lisa
lisa
said
she
had
what
she
needed.
There
was
a
consensus
on
what
to
say
and
lisa
will
draft
it
and
it
will
go
to
bza.
W
B
T
D
T
X
I
don't
want
to
keep
okay
and
and
link
should
be
on
as
well.
T
X
B
Here
great,
so
take
it
away.
X
X
We
just
coordinated
our
site
plan,
our
site,
layout
and
planting
plan,
and
things
like
that
with
what
was
needed
for
fire
truck
turnarounds
and
then
I
also
provided
a
sheet
for
exterior
materials
for
the
buildings
which
we
hadn't
provided
earlier.
So
that's
really
the
updates.
I'm
happy
I'm
happy
to
pull
them
up.
If
you
want
to
discuss
them
or
ask
questions.
B
B
There
was
pretty
uniform
enthusiasm
and
support,
and
I
understand
a
lot
can
happen
as
the
process
cranks
on,
but
I
do
want
to
check
in
just
around
the
room
where
people
sit
if
they're
comfortable
with
preliminary
and
final
tonight
and
any
concerns
they
might
have
outstanding,
and
then
we
can
dive
into
those
concerns
mitch.
If
it's
all
right,
let's
start
with
you.
E
No,
this
continues
to
look
fine
to
me
ready
to
move
forward
great.
B
B
So
I
am
not
hearing
a
lot
of
appetite
to
go
over
what
sound
like
relatively
minor
polishing
changes
at
the
finish
line
here,
do
want
to
check
in
with
lisa
before
I
get
into
the
resolution,
to
make
sure
there's
not
anything
that
we
want
to
make
sure
we
do
beforehand.
D
The
only
thing
that
came
up-
I'm
not
even
sure
I
talked
to
the
applicant
about
the
stakes
that
just
came
up
yesterday-
was
that,
although
they
did
provide
fire
access
diagrams
for
the
main
building,
they
did
not
do
so
for
the
cottages,
so
that
would
obviously
have
to
be
done
before
the
cottages
could
be
built.
B
Seeing
none
is
there
a
motion
for
preliminary
and
final
approval
on
this
project.
I
saw
elizabeth
move
and
mitch.
Second,
any
discussion
of
that
resolution.
B
B
B
B
O
B
A
One
of
you
has
your
youtube
going.
Would
you
please
vote.
B
G
K
A
Oh
thank
you.
I
will
submit
that
to
the
group,
although
it
did
go
out
also
in
the
mailing.
I'm
sorry
for
the
oversight.
Y
I
thought
I'd
just
start
by
walking
through
the
project
whoops
catching
up,
so
I'm
on
dryden
road
here
the
neighbor
neighboring
apartment
house
is
the
white
mass
there
and
then
I'm
just
going
to
move
eastward
just
to
show
you
where
the
project
is
at.
You
know,
since
the
original
submission
this
face
has
essentially
been
the
same.
The
porch
has
now
squared
up
and
it
was
reduced
a
little
bit.
Y
The
big
change
to
the
project
and
this
was
presented
last
month,
but
I
just
thought
I'd
go
through
it
quickly.
Here
this
wing
on
the
east
side
was
pushed
back
to
be
more
than
50
of
the
total
building
depth.
So
that
was
the
big
change
and
that
addresses
the
maximum
building
length
variants
requested
and
then
one
other
thing
that
was
discussed
at
the
last
meeting.
We
had
a
shed
dormer
and
based
on
the
feedback.
We
ran
with
the
three-story
porch
and
the
the
gable
dormer
on
that
section
there.
Y
So
that
was
updated.
You
do
not
have
your
elevation
sheet
still
show
the
shed
dormer,
but
this
is
the
direction
that
we're
gonna
move
in
and
then
working
around
the
block
here.
Y
Going
down
elmwood,
you
can
see
it
even
though
the
building
on
325
on
the
right
side
is
a
larger
structure,
really
reads
the
same
as
we
move
down
into
this
other
more
residential
area
off
of
dryden
road,
and
then
we
vary
the
materials
a
little
bit
between
the
two
buildings.
We
did
a
side,
porch,
there's
a
a
bay
window
here.
Y
Y
I
do
have
a
there's
a
stairwell
here.
There's
a
little
bump
out.
I'd
rather
keep
it.
It
does
exacerbate
the
spacing
between
buildings,
we're
16
feet
now,
and
that
was
the
big
change
which
was
presented
last
month
and
it's
actually
16
feet
now.
I
think
last
month
it
might
have
read
15
so
that
changed
slightly
because
we
couldn't
share
the
driveway
with
the
neighbor.
So
anyway,
you
know
worth
that
a
little
bit.
Y
This
was
part
of
the
10-1
cycling
resubmission
that
you
had,
but
the
variance
reads
is
the
distance
between
the
porch
and
bump
out.
So
that
is
a
little
bit
tighter
in
that
area,
but
the
big
change
is,
we
do
have
16
feet
predominantly
between
the
buildings
yeah.
I
think
I
think
that's
enough
of
the
just
overview
of
where
the
project's
at
I
know
the
agenda
talks
about
design
review.
I
spoke
with
lisa
earlier
and
I
guess
design
review.
Y
Isn't
really
happening
this
month
and
we're
gonna
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
the
part
three.
But
what
I
thought
I'd
do
is
you
know.
We've
talked
a
lot
about
variances
and
I
think
maybe
this
this
time,
we'll
just
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
you
know
what
the
project
is
and
address
some
of
the
other
items,
but
I'm
just
pointing
out
the
north
elevation
on
the
the
latest
submission
of
the
elevations.
Y
Again,
you
can
see
that
shed
dormer,
which
is
now
a
gable
dormer,
but
on
this
elevation
we
had
called
out
the
materials
since
the
original
submission
and
it's
we're
looking
at
lp,
smart
side,
siding
and
and
trim
products.
Y
And
I'm
assuming
everyone's
probably
pretty
familiar
with
that,
I'm
sure
it's
come
across
in
other
projects,
but
you
know
this
is
a
a
picture
from
the
brochure
you
know
it
works
as
a
racquetball
court.
I
guess-
and
I
just
wanted
to
show
you
there's
a
good
shot
in
here
kind
of
oops.
That's
not
it
this!
You
know,
we've
got
some
shakes
on
the
building,
we've
got
lap,
siding
and
we've
got
board
and
batten.
Y
So
this
is
the
feel
of
the
project.
The
I
think,
maybe
I'll
just
go
now
right
into
a
just
a
discussion
in
response
to
the
the
part
three
so
lisa
had
highlighted
a
a
few
things
here
on
the
list
and
let
me
go
back
and
an
additional
sheet
was
added.
Y
Sorry,
I
got
a
little
lag
on
the
computer
here,
this
ac
400
sheet.
You
know
we've
provided
more
detail
on
the
plantings.
You
know
some
ideas
for
the
lighting,
the
hoop
bike
racks
that
are
in
that
courtyard
space
between
the
buildings.
Now
you
know
just
some
detail
on
the
the
trees
that
have
always
been
shown
on
the
site
plan.
You
know
the
standard
planting
details,
visual
of
the
fence
and
then
the
planting
beds
around
the
project.
Y
You
know
these
these
light
green
areas.
Those
are
all
just
ornamental
plantings,
but
we've
got
elm
trees
proposed
here
here
and
here
there's
an
existing
ginkgo
tree
right
here,
existing
maple.
Here,
it's
actually
a
small
tree.
The
survey
calls
it
out
as
a
much
larger
tree
than
it
than
it
is
looks
like
it
might
have
been
replanted
recently
and
then
we're
pro
proposing
some
northern
white
cedars
here
and
here
and
then
an
ornamental
dogwood
tree
in
the
middle
here.
Y
So
that's
that's
described
in
a
little
bit
more
detail
on
this
sheet.
Here
I
can
point
to
some
trees
on
the
existing
plan.
I
know
that
was
another
question
on
the
part
three
we're
removing
three
maples,
the
one
two
three
a
little
hard
to
see.
Let
me
zoom
in
a
little
for
you,
we're
gonna,
reconstruct
a
railroad
tie
retaining
wall
here
and
extend
it
a
little
further
to
make
this
driveway
work.
Y
So
those
three
maples
are
gonna
have
to
go
a
six
inch
and
two
twelve
inch
and
with
permission
of
the
neighbor
we
could
explore
planting
in
the
back
corner
here
they
don't
really
use
that
corner
and
we
do
have
green
space
in
that
corner.
This
is
an
older.
This
is
has
since
changed.
The
10-1
site
plan
shifted
this
parking
area,
but
just
to
show
the
trees.
There's
a
16
inch.
Y
Norway,
spruce
right
in
the
middle
that'll
come
out,
and
then,
oh
I'm
sorry.
I
forgot
about
18
inch
maple
up
here.
I
forgot
to
document
that
I
am
working
on
a
submission,
just
a
narrative
to
talk
that
talks
about
all
of
this.
But
let
me
just
reference
so
we've
got
a
hybrid
site
plan,
planting
plan.
Y
You
know
it's
it's
a
very
small
project
in
the
grand
scheme
of
things
and
there's
not
a
lot
to
it
in
the
narrative,
I'm
just
speaking
about
the
size
and
the
species
of
trees
are
called
out.
So
I
feel
like
we're
beginning
to
cover
that
building
materials.
I
can
submit
more
on
the
lp
smart
side
products.
Y
You
know
it's
a
gentle
slope.
The
city,
stormwater
law
has
a
threshold
of
ten
thousand
eight
ninety
square
feet
to
require
a
stormwater
pollution
prevention
plan,
so
we're
below
that
threshold,
we're
technically
bound.
It
appears.
I
don't
have
information
back
yet
from
scott
gibson
at
the
city,
but
I've
begun
a
conversation
with
him.
So
I
mean
it's
a
simple
site.
You
know
we're
bound
to
the
the
dc's
small
home
site
control
requirements
and
what
that
really
entails
is
just
construction
entrance,
silt
fencing.
Y
So
we
would
have
to
build
a
construction
entrance
into
the
site,
we'll
have
silt
fencing
along
the
bottom
of
the
site
and
any
disturbance
of
the
site.
You
know
the
the
practices
to
stabilize
as
as
quickly
as
possible.
One
thing
about
this:
you
can
see
on
this
site
plan
here
the
original
building
footprint
325,
that's
going
to
come
out,
it'll
be
a
controlled
demolition
process.
Y
You
know
we'll
do
the
environmental
testing
to
determine
if
there's
any
hazardous
materials
and
if
we
have
to
remediate
we
will
and
if
we
can
do
a
controlled
demo
and
air
monitoring
and
such
you
know
it's
common
practice.
Y
The
whole
idea
is
these
houses
will
come
down
in
a
day
and
be
hauled
off
immediately,
basically
leaving
the
foundations,
and
then
the
foundations
would
be
removed
and
then
even
the
excavation
work
is
done
in
the
same
fashion.
There's
no
room
on
the
site
to
create
stockpiles,
so
there's
not
really
a
lot
of
disturbance.
The
construction
is
create
these
holes
in
the
ground
for
the
foundation
and
remove
the
materials
and
then
what
we're
bringing
back
is
really
stone
which
doesn't
produce
silt
in
any
significant
way.
Y
The
other
thing
that
we've
always
been
trying
to
do
is
might
be
a
little
hard
to
pick
up
fully,
but
this
cross-hatched
area
in
here,
although
and
it
runs
up
through
the
whole
lot
and
down
through
here-
that's
the
existing
asphalt
parking
area,
so
we're
we're
trying
to
reconstruct
right
on
that
footprint.
Tell
you
what
let
me.
Y
The
current
plan
that
we're
talking
about
so
that
parking
lot
will
remain
for
the
most
part
and
I
think
the
grading
of
the
site
is
we're
not
really
doing
more
than
actually
creating
these
window
wells
we're
digging
down.
You
know,
so
it's
not
really
a
major
scrape
the
site
and
start
fresh.
So
I
just
wanted
to
speak
to
the
construction
process
a
little
bit,
because
that
is
requested
in
the
the
thief
or
the
you
know
as
part
of
seeker.
What
else
can
I
tell
you?
You
know
public
utilities.
Y
Everything
comes
right
in
here,
scott
confirmed
for
me.
There's
a
six-inch
sewer
line,
we'll
probably
have
to
upgrade
the
water
service
because
we
will
be
doing
a
sprinkler
building
at
3
25..
Y
Y
Y
Excavations
range
from
five
to
eight
feet
as
a
pre
pre-developed
site,
with
basements
in
the
existing
structures,
we're
fairly
confident
that
we're
gonna
find
suitable
soil
to
do
conventional
spread
footings
on
you
know,
cast
concrete
foundations,
possibly
a
precast
foundation
system.
Y
So
at
this
time
we're
not
looking
to
do
a
geotech.
You
know
that
would
be
more
of
a
construction
document,
phase
type
determination
or
even
possibly
on-site.
What.
F
B
For
today,
actually,
in
terms
of
part
three
response,
I
know
that
in
my
notes,
I
have
us
focusing
on
the
zoning
part
of
the
part
three
which
I
understand
is
perhaps
the
least
interesting,
but
I
do
appreciate
this
additional
context
because,
obviously,
as
this
moves
forward,
we'll
need
all
of
that
and
then
some
before
we
move
into
the
zoning
section,
I
want
to
open
it
up
to
the
board
to
respond
to
anything
we've
heard
or
seen
on
this
project
so
far,
today
or
previous
for
that
matter,
I'm
seeing
some
shaking
heads.
B
Okay,
so
the
zoning
section
really
starts
on
page
six
with
all
the
little
highlighted
lead
agency,
discussion,
sections
on
seven
and
eight,
which
is
the
end.
N
D
D
How
important
it
is
for
the
board
to
go
through
the
zoning
tonight,
and
this
is
why
they
are
going
to
the
bca
for
their
public
hearing
on
november
3rd,
and
at
that
point
I
think
they
will
have
a
better
idea
of
the
bca's
appetite
for
the
zoning
requests
and
then
and
then
after
that
meeting
would
be
good.
We
may
go
over
all
of
it
and
the
bza
may
say
it
may
be
fine.
The
bca
may
say
great
we're
going
to
move
forward,
or
they
may
say.
D
B
Just
to
confirm
we're
not
giving
a
recommendation
to
the
bza
on
these
variances
yet
because
we're
not
at
that
stage
in
the
process,
correct
all
right
great.
So
with
that,
I
think
it
does
make
sense,
given
that
we
have
seen
some
updates
to
the
building
and
given
been
given
some
context
on
the
impacts
or
potential
impacts
of
that
building,
what
it
might
be
like
for
us
to
give
sort
of
a
temperature
check
to
the
to
the
applicant
before
we
part
ways
here.
B
I
can
lead
off
myself
and
say
that,
for
my
part,
I
actually
really
like
this
project.
You
know
I
don't
know,
what's
going
to
happen
at
bza.
B
But
you
know
I
mean
I
I
I
think
it's
an
interesting
project
and
would
love
it
or
a
version
of
it
to
come
to
fruition
and
let's
just
go
around
the
room,
get
sort
of
a
reaction
to
what
we've
seen
mckenzie.
Could
I
start
with
you.
C
Yeah
thanks
for
the
updates
happy
with
the
like
roof
and
decks
and
everything
it's
really
coming
together.
It
feels
comfortable
and
appropriate
here
and
yeah.
I
support
the
variances
and
I
guess
it
makes
sense
lisa
what
you're
saying
I
think
also
makes
sense
to
me.
I
don't
have
anything
that
I
need
to
talk
about
with
those
variances
tonight.
I
think
it's
fine
to
wait.
G
Thank
you
for
the
renderings.
I
think
that
went
a
really
long
way
to
convince
me
that
it
is
looking
really
contextual.
It
seems
to
fit
in
in
terms
of
massing,
which
is
aided
by
the
different
color
schemes
from
floor
to
floor.
You
know
the
shape
of
the
roofs.
The
gables.
Everything
I
think
is
is
fitting
into
the
neighborhood
better
than
previous
proposals.
G
G
B
E
This
is
a
nice
project.
I
really
appreciate
the
amount
of
time
and
effort
you've
put
into
the
architecture
and
I
think
it's
really
coming
together.
You've
responded
to
a
lot
of
our
comments
and
I
think
the
spirit
of
the
zoning
I
think
you're
addressing,
and
so
I
think
this
would
be
a
nice
addition
to
to
the
area.
B
F
Yeah,
I'm
I
agree
with
my
colleagues,
I'm
liking
this
more
and
more
and
what
I,
what
most
attracts
me
to
it
is
just
you
know
the
high
quality
of
the
building.
You
know
this
is
a
area
of
the
city
where
building
quality
is
often
not
so
high,
and
so
you
know
I
understand
there
are
pros
and
cons
and
it
does
add
some
density,
but
it
adds
density
in
a
very
attractive,
high
quality
way.
You
know
on
net.
F
I
think
that's
a
benefit.
You
know
it's
hard
to
say
too
much
more
about
it
until
we
know
what
what
the
bza
says-
and
you
know,
that's-
that's
a
process,
that's
hard
to
read.
You
know.
I
know
that
the
the
input
of
of
neighbors
matters
a
lot.
So
I
would
just
encourage
the
applicant
to
talk
and
listen.
F
You
know
the
the
neighbors
that
have
expressed
concern
seemed
like
reasonable
people
to
me.
So
I
would
just
you
know,
try
to
continue
that
dialogue
and
we'll
see
what
happens.
H
D
I
don't
think
so.
If
we,
you
know
we'll
find
out
what
the
bza
says
on
november
3rd
and
if
it's
a
go,
we
will
continue
working
on
the
environmental
and
update
it
with
the
new
information.
Some
of
the
new
information
that
jason
presented
tonight.
B
Q
All
right,
a
couple
other
members
from
the
team
should
be
joining
here
as
well
as
jim
cummings
from
shoemaker
and
david
stern
from
the
farmers
market.
B
Q
Ife,
if
you
see
them
while
we're
talking
just
let
them
in
so
my
name
is
kate
chesbro
here
to
give
some
updates.
I
know
we
have
a
couple
of
students
on
the
agenda
for
the
project
tonight,
so
we'll
give
a
quick
overview
of
some
of
the
materials
that
we're
in.
Are
you
seeing
my
screen
with
the
diagrams
on
them?.
B
Q
Wanted
to
give
a
quick
overview
of
these
materials,
we
have
a
couple
of
updates,
as
we've
been
looking
in
some
detail
with
the
engineering
department
at
the
pedestrian
routing
through
the
site
and
we're
doing
that
at
the
same
time
as
we're
preparing
the
draft
traffic
analysis,
which
we
thought
was
a
good
way
to
do
both
at
the
same
time
as
you
know,
while
we're
thinking
about
circulation
as
a
whole.
Q
Q
A
copy
of
the
presentation
that
we
gave
to
the
special
joint
committee
of
the
wastewater
treatment
facility,
which
is
the
farmers
market
neighbor
to
the
northeast,
and
they
did
provide
their
conceptual
understanding
and
agreement
with
the
approach
that
we
have
so
far
to
the
building
design,
as
well
as
the
site
and
utility
design,
as
they
relate
to
the
existing
sewer
easements
that
are
on
the
site.
So
we
did
see
that
essentially
addressed
in
the
fif
part.
Q
Three
draft
that
was
circulated
in
the
agenda
and
we're
working
to
provide
the
additional
information
that
was
noted
in
that,
hopefully
in
time
for
the
meeting
next
month.
So
I
might
hand
it
over
to
ife
I'll
keep
presenting.
But
if
you'd
walk
us
through
some
of
the
things
we're
looking
at
for
pedestrian
circulation
would
be
great.
N
Yep
sure,
thanks
kate,
so
as
k
was
mentioning
that
we
have
incorporated
some
of
the
comments
that
we
have
received
during
last
20,
more
meetings
and
also
from
the
city
engineering
department.
We
have
proposed
three
different
circulation
diagrams,
so
the
first
option
is
being
our
preferred
option.
N
In
this
option
we
have
the
pedestrian
pathway
going
from
3rd
street
and
street
to
the
building.
We
believe
this
is
the
most
straightforward
and
safe
pathway
for
the
pedestrian,
and
we
have
provided
more
pedestrian
access
point
throughout
the
parking
lot
and
near
the
building.
They
are
flat
feet
pathways,
they're,
not
a
parking
space
they're
just
you
know,
designated
designated
access
for
the
pedestrian
to
use
to
getting
from
the
parking
lot
toward
the
beauty,
and
we
believe
this
is
more
safe
for
the
pedestrian.
Also
for
the
circulation
in
general.
N
Can
we
go
to
the
next
one?
Okay,
sure.
Q
N
Yep
so
yeah
you
can
see
in
the
left
corner
and
also
the
up
lower
yup
right
there.
We
have
proposed
two
covered
back
shelter.
We
will
have
back
parking
underneath
to
provide
access
to
the
cyclos
on
the
kyogre
waterfront
trail
or
people
who
are
from
third
street
to
park
there,
and
this
is
proposed
to
kind
of
encouraging
people
to
back
here.
Instead
of
driving
kind
of
part
of
our
multi-modal
theme
that
we
have
been
talking
about.
We
also
have
a
bus
stop
right
there
near
the
entrance
of
third
street.
N
This
will
also
providing
more
traffic
through
bus
than
people
driving
here
by
car.
N
Q
N
Yep
so
this
option
we
have
shifted
the
main
pedestrian
pathway
to
the
third
row
of
the
parking
aisle.
This
is
slightly
longer
than
the
other
one
we're
showing,
and
we
are.
We
think
that
this
one
is
not
as
good
as
the
other
one
just
because
people
have
to
trap
across
the
traffic
twice
to
get
toward
the
pedestrian
pathway
and
also
it
could
cause
like
potential
traffic
back
up
to
the
third
street,
which
is
something
that
we're
trying
to
avoid
to
do,
and
then
the
next
one.
N
This
one
we
have
the
longest
pathway
to
get
to
the
building
and
people
still
need
to
cross
the
traffic
toys,
and
you
know
just
similar
effect
of
the
other
one
that
we
just
showed.
Q
So
you
know
it's
not
to
say
that
they
couldn't.
We
couldn't
do
both
at
the
same
time.
We
just
think
that
in
number
one
it's,
it
would
be
a
lot
more
straightforward
and
effective
to
bring
people
in
as
straight
aligned
to
the
building
as
possible
from
third
street,
and
we
also
think
that,
with
the
new
planted
buffer
to
the
existing
waterfront
trail
spur
that
this
will
be
a
more
pleasant
experience
than
it
is
now
right
now.
The
drive
lane
is
very
close
to
the
that
trail
extension
and.
D
Q
So
yeah
the
the
square
does
go
down
here,
so
we're
proposing
plantings
on
this
side
as
well
as
working
within
the
third
street
right
away
to
do
what
we
can
to
formalize
the
street.
We'll
work
we'll
be
working
with
the
city
on
this,
but
right
now
it's
you
know,
curbless
and
very,
very
informal
in
this
area,
so
as
we
consider
the
development
coming
to
the
former
dot
site
and
thinking
of
third
street
as
a
connector
to
the
cuba
park,
development
and
the
north
side
and
fall
creek
neighborhoods,
and
so
on.
Q
Q
Q
So
just
tell
me
where
you
want
me
to
go
jim
I'll,
keep
sharing.
Z
I
I
don't
know
if
there's
really
one
of
the
figures,
kate,
probably
would
be
most
pertinent.
Really.
The
the
traffic
study
looked
at
traffic
along
third
street
and
third
street
and
yeah
that
in
in
the
route,
13
intersection,
essentially
the
long
story
short.
The
traffic
study
determined
that,
while
there
are
some
traffic
issues
there,
it's
not
really
resulting
from
the
market.
Z
The
the
market
is
not
expanding
in
size,
so
the
the
premise
is
that
the
traffic
volume
will
not
dramatically
increase.
Z
The
number
of
vendors
of
the
market
is
not
not
expanding,
so
the
the
the
project
is
also
exploring
trying
to
bring
more
more
multimodal
to
the
site,
as
ife
pointed
out,
we're
we're
planning
for
a
bus.
Stop
we're
also
looking
at
you
know,
providing
some
access
better
access
for,
like
a
ride,
share
and
park
share.
Z
Currently,
the
parking
lot
circulation
is
very
poor,
which,
which
does
lead
to
some
backups
on
the
third
street,
so
by
improving
the
circulation
within
the
lot.
We
believe
that
that
will
help
that
situation
somewhat.
Z
Also
it
also
as
we
okay
nephew,
we're
pointing
out
better
circulation
within
the
lot
for
pedestrians
will
also
better
the
overall
traffic
experience
both
for
pedestrians
and
for
vehicles
right
yeah
and
though,
and
right
now,
there
is
really
no
accessible
parking
in
the
lot.
So
one
other
you
know
aspect
of
this
is
that
we're
providing
you
know
the
adequate
number
of
accessible
parking
spots
with
you
know,
accessible,
accessible
routes
to
the
to
the
building.
Q
As
a
whole,
the
project
is
improving
accessibility
considerably
compared
to
what
is
that,
while
still
retaining
some
of
the
character
of
the
site.
So
that
was
an
overview
of
our
submission
and
we
are
giving
things
now
to
help
address
secret
concerns.
We
saw
circulation
as
a
major
one
of
those,
as
well
as
the
coordination
with
the
sjc.
Q
So
how
would
you
would
you
like
to
discuss
that?
I
know
we
also
have
the
draft
part
three.
B
Well,
we
also
have
the
public
hearing
so
so,
ideally
we
would
get
through
the
public
hearing.
If
there's
anything
you
want
to
have
presented
before
the
public
hearing,
I
would
say,
go
ahead
and
do
that,
but
in
a
perfect
world,
we'd
move
through
the
public
hearing
relatively
quickly.
Q
Sure,
as
a
very
quick
overview,
this
is
the
current
site
plan
for
the
african
farmers
market
project,
which
will
be
delivered
in
three
phases:
we're
looking
at
the
parking
area,
improvements
starting
as
early
as
next
season.
Q
We
have
some
of
those
images
that
we
can
quickly
go
through
here.
The
building
has
a
number
of
constraints
that
it's
dealing
with.
This
is
a
layout
of
the
different
vendor
stalls,
so
there
will
be
multiple
access
points
and
the
way
that
the
site
and
building
have
been
designed
to
date
are
allowing
for
vendors
to
sell
both
indoors
and
outdoors,
so
that
the
market
is
more
outward
facing
really
inhabiting
this
beautiful
waterfront
site
there.
Q
Each
vendor
will
have
at
least
10
feet
of
space
outside
of
all
of
this
falls
and
vendors
will
be
able
to
drive
around
the
site
on
this
side
and
pull
up
next
to
the
stalls
before
and
after
market,
so
that
they
can
load
and
then
unload,
but
the
way
it's
designed
now
is
flexible
and
allows
there
to
be
the
vendor
vehicles
parked
away
from
the
building
in
the
so
we're
going
back
and
forth
here
away
from
the
building
here,
so
that
creates
an
abundance
of
pedestrian
space,
outdoor
dining
and
so
on.
Q
Around
the
building
and
a
quick
look
at
some
of
the
current
renderings
of
the
building
are
here
and
apologies.
These
do
have
some
labels
that
are
related
to
the
sewer
easement,
but
these
are
a
few
zoom
in
shots
of
the
exterior
of
the
building.
This
is
on
the
water
side.
You
see
the
openings
to
the
sky.
Q
Q
Looking
back
from
the
dock,
you
can
see
how
the
activity
could
be
wrapping
around
the
building
as
people
are
selling
outdoors.
This
shows
one
side
of
the
year-round
building
that
has
this
rustic
wavy
board
facade
and
a
lot
of
fenestration,
so
that
there's
sight
lines
through
this
shot
is
taken.
Looking
north
in
the
outdoor
covered
pavilion
on
that
side,
it
has
a
steel
frame
with
a
lot
of
wood
shown
here.
B
Great
thank
you.
I
don't
think
I
want
to
get
into
diving
into
the
question
of
which
route
is
best
until
afterwards
through
the
public
hearing,
because
I
think
that
could
stretch
on
maybe
forever
so,
let's,
let's
do
the
public
hearing
and
then
go
back
and
try
to
get
reactions
from
the
board
to
what
we've
seen
thus
far
and
then
see
how
we're
doing
as
far
as
time
to
dive
into
the
transportation
utility
sections
of
the
thief.
Is
there
a
motion
to
open
a
public
hearing
for
this
project
mckinsey,
so
moves?
B
D
D
The
first
is
from
anya
gibeon
on
the
fifth
page
of
the
attached
traffic
study
is,
is
this
important
sentence?
Currently
vendors
are
allowed
to
park
at
their
stalls
along
the
building.
Vendors
have
stated
that
this
direct
access
to
their
vehicles
during
the
market
is
critical
for
them
to
perform
inventory
management
and
other
backup
house
functions.
That's
the
end
quote
as
far
as
I
can
tell
this
is
the
only
mention
of
the
concerns
and
needs
of
a
crucial
group
of
stakeholders
in
this
decision.
The
farmers
market
vendors,
who
make
the
market
a
vibrant
tourist
attraction.
D
D
Unable
to
find
the
market
pavilion
from
their
car,
quite
the
opposite,
in
fact,
the
market
has
been
very
crowded
every
time.
I
have
visited
this
center,
as
the
committee
heard
from
any
long-time
market
vendors
about
their
current
needs
and
issues.
These
are
the
people
that
are
there
every
week
have
been
coming
and
selling
for
decades.
They
are
the
ones
who
can
tell
this
committee
better
than
architects
from
200
miles
away
what
improvements
are
needed.
I
will
note
that
to
sell
at
the
ithaca
farmers
market,
you
must
be
within
30
miles
of
steamboat
landing.
D
Why
are
we
looking
at
a
brooklyn
architectural
firm
when
everything
else
about
them?
Ithaca
farmers
market
is
local.
The
proposal
lists
the
frustrations.
The
public
has
with
parking
lots,
potholes
overgrown
brush.
My
biggest
question
is
about
the
current
maintenance,
log
and
schedule
for
existing
parking
lot.
When
was
the
last
time
it
was
re-grappled
who
is
trimming
the
trees
and
bushes
that
provide
shade
in
the
summer
heat?
What
is
the
budget
for
maintaining
the
parking
lot?
The
current
lot
cannot
be
maintained
and
the
budget,
as
with
the
budget
and
staff
required.
D
All
right,
second
one
is
from
cheryl
swing,
your
planning
and
development
board
members.
I
love
the
farmers
market,
but
there
is
a
gaping
hole
in
the
markets,
traffic
impact
study
and
the
site
plan
for
circulation
that
I
hope
you
will
give
serious
thought
to
and
addressed
with
them
and
their
designers.
D
An
increasing
number
of
people
are
already
biking
to
the
farmers
market
to
do
their
shopping.
Many
arriving
from
third
street,
not
just
from
the
recreational
waterfront
trail
mixing
bicyclists
in
parking
traffic
ways
is
just
as
hazardous
as
it
is
for
pedestrians.
Many
of
us,
cyclists
coming
in
from
3rd
street,
are
currently
using
the
pedestrian
paved
path
that
comes
out
to
the
out
at
the
bike
racks
by
the
market
building.
I
was
really
hoping
the
farmers
market
folks
would
get
the
bike
accessibility,
not
just
the
parking
on
their
radar.
In
the
proposed
redesign.
O
D
Bicyclists
on
the
waterfront
trail,
inferring
interfering
with
pedestrian
patron
circulation,
the
emphasis
in
the
comprehensive
plan,
and
especially
the
waterfront
plan
on
pedestrian.
First
then
bicyclists
and
motor
vehicles
is
the
city's
transportation
mode.
Prioritized
and
new
development
really
needs
to
be
addressed
by
the
needs
to
be
addressed
by
the
farmers
market
site
plan.
Once
cyclists
have
arrived
at
the
market
property
from
third
street,
they
need
to
be
separated
from
parking
traffic,
an
extreme
hazard
for
cyclists,
as
they
stop
go
back
out,
etc.
D
This
is
often
done
with
wider
traffic
separated
walkways
with
marking
zone
to
designate
site,
but
cyclists
and
pedestrian
lanes.
It
is
anticipated
that
there
will
be
increasing
numbers
of
persons
from
the
local
neighborhoods,
including
those
including
the
soon
to
be
built
apartments
adjacent
to
the
market,
who
will
opt
to
bicycle
or
walk
to
the
farmers
market
in
response
to
the
limited
parking
and
decreasing
ownership
of
cars
in
the
walkable
bikeable
future.
Thank
you
for
addressing
this
issue.
Cheryl
swink.
B
Thank
you
very
much.
Is
there
anything
else
from
members
of
the
public
seeing
none?
Is
there
a
motion
to
close
public
hearing?
B
I
saw
elizabeth
move
mackenzie.
Second,
all
those
in
favor
of
closing
public
hearing
public
hearing
is
now
closed.
The
applicant
has
an
opportunity,
but
is
in
no
way
obligated
to
respond
to
anything
said
by
members
of
the
public.
W
Thank
you,
kate.
I'm
about
dave
stern,
I'm
the
president
of
the
farmer's
market
board
and
I've
been
involved
in
this
project
for
about
six
years,
since
we
started
really
working
on
it
and
you
know
there's
a
little
bit
of
a
grab
bag
of
comments
in
the
first
one.
I
I
do
think
there's
you
know.
W
Vendors
have
been
involved,
they're
been
on
the
site,
design
committee
from
the
beginning,
they've
been
in
focus
groups,
vendors
are,
you
know,
independent
business
units
and
some
of
them
have
different
views
than
than
others,
and
I
think
that's
part
of
the
charm
of
the
market.
It's
something
we've
been
navigating
during
the
process,
so
I
don't
really
think
the
vendors
haven't
been
involved.
W
I
think
vendors
have
you
know,
views
on
parking
in
some
cases
that
have
really
taken
a
lot
of
oxygen
and
in
the
discussions,
but
we
are
trying
to
make
life
good
for
the
vendors
but
working
within
the
constraints
of
the
building
site.
The
same
vendors
also
want
more
bathrooms
and
they
want
various
other
facilities
and
so
we're
doing
what
we
can
with
the
site
and
also
thinking
about
the
public
experience.
W
The
customer
facing
experience
the
community
experience
outside
of
market
hours
and
the
balance
is,
you
know
really
where
what
we're
trying
to
achieve,
and
I
think
communicating
that
to
vendors
and
getting
them
to
accept.
It
is
an
ongoing
process
and
I
think
our
friends
at
whitman
and
architects
have
been
great
partners
in
doing
that
and
I
yeah
and
into
the
selection
of
an
architect
as
a
firm.
We
we
had
an
rfp.
We
went
through
a
long
process
again.
W
Community
and
vendor
committee
went
through
a
selection
process
and
we're
absolutely
delighted
with
their
proposal
and
the
way
they've
been
able
to
work
with
them
on
this
project.
So
again
I
mean
those
comments
are
helpful,
they're
not
so
new
to
us,
and
we
appreciate
that
daniel's
given
them
to
us
on
the
biking
side.
You
know,
I
think
those
comments
are
also
well
taken.
We
were
very
interested
in
providing
multi-modal
access,
as
we
said
already
by
jim
and
kate.
W
We
are
also
interested
in
perhaps
people
coming
over
from
the
the
development
on
the
what's
the
one
on
the
water,
the
other
side,
not
the
cube
one,
the
city
harbor,
the
city,
harbor
yeah.
So
we
were
kate
and
I
were
talking
about
the
path
from
over
there
and
whether
that
could
be,
you
know
somehow
improved,
maybe
for
bicyclists
and
pedestrians
and
separate
those
groups
out
and
maybe
make
that
a
major
access
point
for
the
farmers
market
and
maybe
in
fact
reduce
some
of
the
traffic
pressure
to
the
market.
W
Q
To
add
to
what
david
said
and,
what's
already
been
said,
as
part
of
our
presentation
just
want
to
say
that
we
do
take
the
maintenance
of
the
proposed
plantings
very
seriously.
The
comment
in
one
of
the
public
comments
about
existing
maintenance
is
as
close
to
our
hearts
as
we
are
designing
this.
So
we
really
look
forward
to
that
being
a
planting
plan
that
works
ecologically
and
it
works
aesthetically
and
that
is
taken
care
of
in
the
long
term.
So
we're
working
closely
with
the
farmers
market
team
on
on
how
that
will
be
achieved.
W
Yeah
and
I
think
to
the
comment
about
the
maintenance
of
the
existing
site:
it's
not
really
maybe
part
of
the
planning
process,
but
it's
one
of
the
big
headaches
the
market
has
had
it's:
it's
basically
a
black
hole
for
money,
trying
to
put
gravel
on
that
lot.
So
this
we're
looking
forward
to
maybe
less
intensive
maintenance,
because
we
can't
keep
up
with
the
lot
we
have
now.
B
I
know
you
presented
three
options
and
I
think
it's
worth
you
just
showing
them
again
and
then
us
going
around
the
room,
so
you
can
get
feedback
on
preferences
from
board
members.
C
Can
I
ask
you,
kate,
to
point
something
out
too:
what
what
are
the
materials
or
like
what
what's
the
state
of
the
walkways
that
they'll
be?
I
can
imagine
that
that
might,
if
they're
paved
versus
mulched
versus
some
combination
or
if
it's
different,
depending
on
the
options,
I
could
imagine
it
making
a
difference.
Q
Q
Q
Q
The
area
in
white
is
for
accessible
parking
and
other
kind
of
car
share
loading.
I
haven't
really
figured
out
that
exact
programming,
yet
maybe
expecting
mothers.
I
mean
we're
talking
about
everything
for
those
there's
a
path
that
goes
from
the
main
entrance
toward
the
proposed
relocation
of
the
barn
area.
Q
Here,
there's
a
pathway
here
as
well,
but
the
main
thing
in
the
first
example
is
this
straight
path
from
the
third
street
connection
through
the
parking
area,
and
there
would
be
some
kind
of
a
planted
buffer
right
now,
it's
shown
as
a
five
foot
path,
with
a
three
foot
planted
buffer
all
together.
It
has
an
eight-foot
footprint
second
option.
Z
Hey
kate,
before
we
go
on,
can
can
we
just
point
out
one
thing,
especially
in
that
first
option,
based
on
one
of
the
public
comments
about
bicycle
access
from
third
street?
It's
anticipated
that
they
would
use
that
waterfront
trail
spur
that
goes
back
over
to
the
market.
Z
You
know
which
is
kind
of
already
built
in
it's
it's
wide
enough.
It's
a
multi-use
path
so
and
not
intermix
not
come
through
the
parking
lot
itself
and
intermix
with
the
traffic
trying
to
park.
They
they
would
have
a
separate
path
to
go
down
that
would
be
safe
and
and
separated
from
the
from
the
traffic.
Q
But
that's
that
okay
quickly,
the
other
two,
this
one
crosses
third
street
and
then
it
would
be
in
the
planted
vegetated
area
between
the
farmers
market
and
the
wastewater
treatments
facility.
So
that
would
mean
that
we
need
to
look
really
closely
at
what
existing
trees
are
here
and
what
that
experience
would
be
like.
So
there's
a
crossing
on
route
on
third
street
here,
as
well
as
on
the
main
through
one-way
route
around
the
market.
Q
And
then
we
would
route
pedestrians
through
the
parking
lot
here
and
the
final
path
is
crossing
near
the
bus,
stop
as
shown
in
fact
number
one
and
then
going
along
the
edge
of
the
wastewater
treatment
facility
crossing
the
main
one-way
circulation
near
the
barn
and
then
going
toward
the
main
entrance.
So
this
would
focus
a
lot
of
pedestrian
activity
to
this
spot.
B
C
Thank
you.
This
is
so
helpful,
so
I
have
a
couple
of
thoughts
that
are
leading
me
to
the
third
street.
This
first
option:
that's
up
here
right
now,
one
I
just
love
the
the
clean
urbanism
of
that
of
the
street.
Continuing
it's
what
I
really
wanted
with
green
star
and
cascadilla,
but
the
orientation
didn't
work
that.
O
C
I
feel
like
as
much
as
we
can
tap
into
the
existing
grid,
the
better,
because
people
are
gonna
behave
that
way
and
on
the
topic
of
human
behavior.
In
that
sense,
I
think,
even
if
the
way
that
we
we
try
to
direct
people
is
towards
the
wastewater
treatment
facility,
or
you
know,
towards
the
north
or
something
I
we're
gonna
see
traces
of
people
taking
that
straight
shot
anyway.
C
Similar
to
to
now
I
mean
you
can
see,
you
can
see
walkways
that
people
have
created
that
weren't
intended
to
be
there
all
over
that
parking
lot.
I
think,
that's,
I
think,
that's
the
best
option
for
like
main
thoroughfare
traffic
and
honestly,
I
would
recommend
a
hybrid
where
there
are
also
offshoots
and
people
can
peel
off
to
the
side.
C
There
are
going
to
be
situations
where
people
you
know
someone's
going
to
want
to
connect
through
to
the
waterfront
trail
on
the
on
the
north
end,
or
something
like
that.
So
I
think
I
think,
having
a
couple
of
branched
options
might
not
hurt,
but
that
third
street
one
feels
to
me,
like
the
most
direct
and
like
rational
route
to
plan.
For
being
the
main
thoroughfare
for
pedestrians,.
F
I
don't
have
a
strong
thought
on
it.
I
mean,
I
think
what
mckinsey
says
makes
sense
that
it,
you
know,
sort
of
building
off.
The
extension
of
the
grid
kind
of
you
know
is
good
urban
design,
and
it
makes
the
farmer's
market
seem
like
an
extension
of
the
city
that's
attractive,
but
at
the
same
time
you
know
I
haven't,
sat
down
there
for
a
long
time
and
really
observed
people's
habits,
and
people
are
going
to
do
what
they're
going
to
do,
and
I
just
haven't,
absorbed
carefully
enough
to
really
know
what
that
is.
H
Yeah,
I
was
gonna
say
something
in
the
same
kind
of
flavor.
Here
I
think
pedestrians
were
end
up
using
all
these
packs
right.
Is
there
a
reason
why
they
can't,
but
this
one
is
definitely
preferable,
but
people
are
just
gonna
find
other
ways
to
get
there,
especially
on
the
days
that
it's
you
know,
high
traffic.
G
I
also
have
a
strong
preference
for
this
one.
I
think
that
anything
you
can
do
to
not
cross.
You
know
the
right
side.
The
main
circular
car
circulation
is
great,
as
you
put
it
in
the
other
ones,
to
not
back
up
3rd
street
back
to
route
13.,
but
I
I
think
there
could
also
be
some
improvements
to
this
one.
I
understand
that
bikes
are
intended
to
use
that
waterfront
multimodal
path,
but
on
a
busy
farmer's
market
weekend.
G
There's
a
lot
of
strollers
and
folks
walking
on
that,
and
if
there's
space
on
the
right
side,
can
there
be
a
one
lane
for
bikes
that
take
them
around
to
the
north
bike
parking
lot?
In
addition
to
that,
I
also
wonder
if
you
can,
I
think
people
are
going
to
want
to
enter
through
this
main
axis
entry
point
in
the
middle,
and
so
is
there
a
way
to
connect
the
left
side
of
the
parking.
G
What
is
it
called
along?
The
storage
multi-use
shed,
it's
not
the
south
side,
the
bottom
side.
I
think
it's
the
east
side
sort
of
along
there
yeah
along
that
the
bottom
edge
of
that
to
connect
them
from
the
large
left
side
of
the
parking
lot
through
to
the
middle
pedestrian
access
that
you
already
have
yeah
kind
of
along
there.
I
feel
like
that
would
be
something
that
people
are
going
to
create
anyway,
so
you
may
want
to
add
a
sidewalk
there
instead
of
some
of
those
plantings.
G
I
also
think
racks
at
the
east
end
might
solve
some
of
these
bike
issues
that
we're
hearing
about,
instead
of
encouraging
bikes
to
come
from
third
street
all
the
way
to
the
racks
on
the
waterfront
trail.
I
don't
think
people
would
have
any
problem
parking
at
the
bottom
east
end
and
walking.
G
You
know
on
this
lovely
path
with
new
yeah
sort
of
down
there
at
just
stacking
it
with
racks
on
the
sidewalk.
At
that
end
as
well,
and
my
last
question
is
sort
of
a
question:
what
are
the
chances
that,
in
the
tdm
study
I
saw
they
proposed
a
right-hand
turn
coming
out
of
the
parking
lot?
So
there's
two
lanes
instead
of
one,
what
are
the
chances
that
that
can
be
part
of
this
project
or
is
third
street
sort
of
not
in
the
scope
changing
that
intersection?
Not
the
scope
of
this
project.
Q
We
in
the
traffic
study
basically
said
that,
because
the
program
of
the
farmers
market
is
not
changing
that,
if
there's
additional
traffic
demand
on
that
intersection
in
addition
to
the
market,
such
as
as
a
result
of
more
development
in
the
area
that
another
turning
lane
that
you
mentioned
would
help
that
intersection,
but
that
we
don't
we're
not
seeing
an
increased
traffic
demand.
That
would
warrant
that
as
a
result
of
this.
G
B
E
I
agree
with
emily's
really
good
comments,
and
I
trust
that
kate
and
nifay
and
their
team
will
pick
the
right
strategy
here
and
make
this
walkable
inviting
clear
circulation
pattern.
I
am
curious,
just
by
a
matter
of
information
as
to
why
city
engineering
is
promoting
option
two
and
what
the
reasoning
and
logic
is
behind
that,
so
that
I
can
understand
why
I'm
liking
one
better.
I
mean
intuitively
one
is
better,
but
there
must
be
a
reason
why
they're
pushing
two
and
three
so
I'd
like
to
know
that.
Q
Well,
we
discussed
all
three
options
with
them.
We
first
only
had
option
one
and
they
wanted
to
explore
this,
and
I
think
that
part
of
it,
if
I
recall
correctly-
and
jim
and
ife-
please
jump
in
if
I'm
saying
this
wrong,
but
they
were
questioning
the
test,
pedestrian
experience
of
being
on
a
path
surrounded
by
parked
cars
and
the
scale
of
that
path
is
eight
feet
wide.
Q
N
If
I
may
add,
I
think
one
of
the
reason
to
move
the
pedestrian
pathway
from
the
second
row
to
the
third
row
is
because
they're
thinking
that
the
second
row
is
a
little
closer
to
the
spur
like
they
wanted
to
kind
of,
it
just
feel
feeling
too
close
to
each
other,
those
two
pedestrian
pathways.
B
Thanks,
that's
helpful
context,
so
it
sounds
to
me
like
there's
a
consensus
among
board
members
supporting
option.
One
there's
been
some
ideas
on
how
that
could
be
enhanced,
so
I
feel,
like
we've
addressed
that
issue
we
have
caught
up
on
time.
We
do
also
have
on
our
agenda
for
today
reviewing
the
transportation
utilities
and
the
thief.
I
want
to
check
in
with
lisa
what
it
is
we
need
to
accomplish
there
and
whether
it
needs
to
be
accomplished
today.
D
I
don't
think
it
needs
to
be
accomplished
the
I
think
the
information
you
gave
on
what
option
you
prefer
was
really
helpful
and
that
discussion
was
really
helpful.
The
purpose
of
the
utility,
the
draft
utility
section
that
you
have
is
was
just
to
provide
the
information
for
the
agreement
that
was
reached
with
the
sjc,
and
you
know
I
think
we
need
to
discuss
it.
B
Great,
so
I
think
that
might
do
it
for
tonight.
I
appreciate
you
know
the
applicant's
time
and
what
they
presented,
and
I
hope
that
the
feedback
on
the
path
choices
was
useful
to
you
and
I'm
sure
we
will
see
you
again
soon.
B
V
V
Yep
we
can
hear
you
and
you
should
be
seeing
the
cover
sheet
up
before
the
public
hearing.
R
So
good
evening,
so
you
want
me
to
just
I'll
launch
into
this
lisa.
R
Okay,
so
we're
going
to
give
a
representation
of
the
project
with
some
additional
new
information,
specifically
as
it
relates
to
some
of
the
questions
that
we
heard
from
the
board
last
time,
and
then
we
understand
we
have
a
public
hearing
and
some
discussion
so
first
of
all
for
project
overview
next
slide.
Armin.
R
And
yes,
I
guess
I'm
katherine
wolfe
of
trevor
joe
michael's,
landscape,
architects.
Our
vind
tiku
is
here
with
icon5
architects,
and
we
are
also
joined
by
john
novar
and
phil
poganski
developers.
R
So
the
proposed
catherine
commons
project
is
located
in
college
town
at
the
intersection
of
catherine
street
and
college
avenue.
That
portion
of
the
project
that
is
on
the
north
side
of
catherine
street
is
not.
We
are
referring
to
as
catherine
north
and
that
portion
on
the
south
side
of
kaplan
street
is
referred
to
as
catherine
south.
R
R
O
R
If
tenants
require
a
parking,
the
developer
owns
and
has
available
excess
parking
at
their
home
terrace
project,
which
is
just
a
few
blocks
away,
and
so
parking
will
be
made
available
to
any
tenants
who
require
parking
at
that
location.
R
This
is
the
site
plan
for
the
project.
Again,
maybe
you
can
sort
of
point
to
the
areas
as
I
described
them.
The
katherine
north
site
has
three
interconnected
buildings:
the
building
one
fronts
primarily
on
college
avenue,
and
there
is
commercial
space
and
the
commercial
space
is
all
there
along.
The
college.
Avenue
frontage
are
wrapping
the
corner
there
at
catherine
street
and
will
be
primarily
a
would
be
transparent,
glass
of
facades.
To
really
enliven
that
streetscape.
R
Two
very
large
plazas
are
proposed
for
catherine
south
one,
each
at
the
north
intersection
and
at
the
south
intersection
near
the
south
intersection.
There's
a
bus
stop
right
proposed
to
be
located
there,
that
we've
coordinated
with
the
city
of
ithaca
and
so
the
covered
space.
The
covered
plaza
space
is
intended
to
double
as
a
projected
area
for
the
bus
stop
and
you.
R
See
there,
the
small
parking
area
that
is
accessed
off
of
cook
street
for
accessible
and
service
parking,
and
now
I'd
like
to
hand
it
back
to
irvin
and
have
arvin
speak
about
the
development.
V
On
the
facades,
thank
you
katzman.
The
following
is
a
further
development
of
the
catherine
north
and
the
catherine
south
elevations
along
college
avenue,
and
our
design
addresses
the
college
town
design
guidelines
through
scale
to
a
three
part,
articulation
of
a
base,
a
middle
and
a
top,
and
by
creating,
as
catherine
had
described
before,
a
friendly
street
life
with
trees,
generous
walks
and
street
amenities
for
the
college
town
and
the
public.
V
A
continuous
glazed
vertical
element
breaks
up
the
horizontal
massing
at
the
street
level
on
college
avenue
and
the
covered
overhang
can
be
utilized
all
year
round
for
socializing,
as
well
as
daily
events.
The
catherine
south
elevation
continues.
The
two-story
grid
pattern
language,
but
the
scale
is
further
minimized
by
increasing
the
ratio
of
glass
to
the
terracotta.
V
The
following
is
a
view
on
catherine
street
looking
north
building,
one
which
is
along
college
avenue,
turns
to
the
west
on
catherine
street
and
continues
with
its
scale
and
architectural
language,
while
building
2a
and
2b
are
further
west
and
they're
designed
to
respond
to
the
residential
environment.
The
buildings
are
separated
to
eliminate
a
monolithic,
wall-like
effect
and
vertically
emphasized,
to
reduce
their
overall
mass
we're.
Introducing
a
different
color
palette
here
for
variety
and
the
bridge
connectors
are
de-emphasized
by
treating
them
as
just
fencing
around
an
open,
courtyard
type
of
enclosure.
V
Also,
the
farthest
building
on
the
west
is
designed
to
be
proportional
to
the
existing
residences,
while
the
middle
building
is
transitional
in
its
scale.
The
following
view
is
on
cook
street
again,
looking
north
building
3b
along
college
avenue
turns
west
on
cook
street
and
continues
the
light
structural
grid
with
an
infill
of
metal
panel
and
glass.
V
The
plaza
at
the
lower
level
is
further
integrated
into
the
streetscape
by
a
glazed
lower
level
which
activates
the
three
street
through
its
public
gathering
place,
as
well
as
the
fitness
center,
as
we
had
stated
before,
building
four,
which
is
the
farthest
west.
On
cook
street
is
designed
to
be
stylistically
vernacular
to
its
neighbor
in
its
form
and
scale,
but
the
details
will
be
more
in
keeping
with
modern
materials.
V
The
following
studies
are
partial
views
at
the
vertical
element
on
katherine
north,
and
what
we're
doing
here
is
we're
exploring
several
color
options
that
enhance
the
grid
pattern.
The
undulating
pattern
of
the
opaque
terracotta
provides
a
relief
against
the
quote
voids
the
voids
are
actually
what
there
are
is
an
infill
of
glass
and
metal
panels
to
give
it
a
planar
difference
and
activate
the
facade.
V
Concurrently,
we're
also
developing
the
facade
on
catherine's
south
and
the
following.
Partial
views
are
really
at
the
juncture
of
building
3a
meeting
3b.
V
There
are
many
similarities
to
katherine
north
that
tie
the
two
sides
together,
such
as
the
opaque
panels
and
the
relief
voids,
but
there
are
also
some
unique
differences,
such
as
the
opaque
to
void
proportions
in
here,
they're
much
greater
and
therefore
the
building
is
a
lot
less
monolithic
in
its
nature.
It's
more
transparent.
V
V
As
one
looks
close
up
to
the
katherine
south
options.
It
provides
an
understanding
of
the
terracotta
tile
texture,
the
articulation
and
the
rhythm
of
the
red
accent,
bands
and
the
smooth
metal
panel
grid
system
and
the
expansion
of
the
street
surface
by
lifting
the
ground
floor
for
public
use
now
drawings
are
have
a
great
understanding
of
the
materials,
the
colors
and
the
texture,
but
they're
really
not
a
substitution
for
the
actual
materials,
and
so
our
materials
really
are
richer.
V
They're,
textural
and
they're,
vibrant
and
the
following
photographs
really
show
the
dynamic
richness
and
the
scale
of
the
great
terracotta
sample,
as
well
as
an
actual
installation.
These
are
not
flat
and
dull
tiles.
These
have
a
vibrancy
and
a
life
to
themselves
and,
unfortunately,
the
drawings
don't
reflect
that.
But
these
materials
should
give
you
an
understanding
of
that.
V
The
standing
seam
metal
panels
that
we've
been
showing
as
the
infills
in
the
voids
they
have
a
profile
that
will
create
distinct
shadow
lines
and
the
angle
of
the
sun,
and
the
person's
viewpoint
will
create
an
ever-changing
dynamic
facade
at
different
times
of
the
day.
We
believe
these
materials,
working
together
with
the
right
color
options,
are
going
to
create
a
real
dynamic
facade
that
is
constantly
evolving
at
your
viewpoint,
as
you're
going
up
and
down
college
avenue.
V
Finally,
we've
also
produced
a
set
of
sun
studies
in
the
planning
board,
submission
packet,
which
has
based
on
four
standard
times
of
the
year
as
such
as
the
summer
and
winter
solstice,
as
well
as
their
vernal
and
autumnal
equinox.
V
The
following
sun
study
is
for
the
autumnal
equinox,
which
is
taken
over
three
times
a
day,
starting
at
nine
o'clock
12
o'clock,
as
well
as
three
o'clock.
We,
our
buildings
in
here,
are
identified
with
the
height
of
the
building,
as
well
as
the
nomenclature
of
catherine,
north
and
captain
south
on
the
site
itself.
Catherine.
R
Yes,
okay,
so
one
of
the
questions
that
was
raised
at
the
last
planning
board
meeting
was,
I
think,
planning
board
members
had
indicated
that
they
were
curious
to
understand
the
visibility
of
the
project,
particularly
from
the
west,
and
so
this
actually,
this
study
is
in
the
packets
that
you
had
received
previously,
but
we
did
a
pretty
rigorous
analysis
to
identify.
R
Where
is
the
project
visible
from,
and
so
this
study
illustrates
10
different
viewpoints,
which
we
believe
represent
those
locations
where
it
is
most
visible
in
the
vicinity
and
also
we
down,
we
look
downtown
et
cetera,
and
so
I
just
wanted
to
and
again
the
the
the
full
set
of
simulations
is
in
your
packet,
but
I
was
just
going
to
highlight
a
few
here
for
your
understanding,
so
next
slide.
R
So
the
first
view
is
from.
I
believe
that
this
is
the
location
where
the
building
the
buildings
are
most
visible
from
downtown.
So
this
is
a
view
on
seneca
street.
Looking
east,
you
can
see
the
new
tompkins
trust
building
right
there
on
your
left,
we're
actually
at
the
intersection
of
cayuga
and
seneca
street,
and
so
looking
up
the
hill.
Again,
perhaps
you
could
just
kind
of
trace
the
outline
of
the
so
the
new
building
there
that
exists.
R
Don't
don't
show
the
just
show
the
new
building,
so
it's
it
sits
within
the
context
of
the
other
buildings
on
on
east
hill,
and
the
red
line
is
actually
the
red
line
demarcates
the
height
that
would
be
allowed
at
the
top
of
a
parapet
under
the
existing
zoning,
and
so
the
difference
between
the
red
height
and
what
is
projecting
above
is
what
the
difference
that
is
being
requested
by
the
variants,
and
so
you
can
understand.
R
You
know
what
the
reality
is
of
the
visual
impact
of
that
variance,
and
so
in
this
case
it's
it's
like
a
six
foot.
Difference
next
slide.
R
So
this
is
a
view
from
eddie
street
looking
up
katherine
street
to
the
west,
and
so
again
you
can
see
the
new
two
new
buildings
there,
one
on
the
left
and
and
on
the
right
and
again
the
red
line
indicating
the
height
that
would
is
allowed
by
the
existing
zoning.
And
then
you
can
see
how
much
of
the
buildings
project
above
that
next
slide.
R
O
R
Here
we
have
a
viewpoint
from
the
intersection
of
college
avenue
and
dryden
road.
Looking
south,
you
can
see
the
existing
312
college
avenue,
building
and
then
directly
south
of
there
are
the
new
buildings
and
once
again,
we've
shown
the
red
line,
which
indicates
the
existing
height
allowed
and
you
can
understand
the
differential
there
next
slide.
B
Katherine
I'm
going
to
interrupt
you.
I
don't
know
that
we
necessarily
need
whatever
on.
Oh,
I
guess
you
are
you're,
not
necessarily
doing
all
the
views
right.
R
So
here
we
are
so
now
I've
just
driven
down
the
street
here
I
actually
included
a
view
of
the
existing
conditions,
because
I
think
it's
also
on
college
avenue.
Of
course
the
city
is
currently
undertaking
this
reconstruction
of
college
avenue
and
that
is
going
to
include
the
varying
of
the
oregon
utility
lawyers
and
so.
O
R
Also
is
a
major
change
to
the
view
on
college
avenue,
and
so
I
think
it
was
just
interesting
to
compare
that.
So.
Here's
a
view
south
of
the
project
and
looking
north
on
college
avenue
under
the
existing
conditions
and
next
slide
and
here
is
that
same
view
with
the
college
town
street
improvement
project
enacted
with
the
overhead
wires
underground
and
there
you
can
see
the
new
building
on
the
left.
The
the
new
buildings.
R
And
I
think
that's
the
end
of
my
views
is
that
right,
urban
next
slide.
Yes,
so
that's
the
end
of
our
presentation.
This
is
just
a
summary
of
our
schedule,
looking
at
next
month,
beginning
to
address
the
secret
review,
followed
by
the
design
review
in
december,
intending
to
go
before
the
bca
in
the
spring
of
next
year
and
final
state
plan
review
and
approval,
hopefully
in
the
spring,
so
that
we
can
get
started
on
construction
and
have
buildings
ready
for
occupation
in
august
of
2023.
B
I
appreciate
that
before
I
open
it
up
for
questions,
I
do
want
to
try
to
get
through
this
public
hearing
and
since
you
did
have
a
have
a
great
presentation
overview
of
the
project.
It's
a
great
time
to
do
that.
Is
there
a
motion
to
open
public
hearing?
I
see
mitch
move.
Is
there
a
second,
I
see
emily.
Second,
all
those
in
favor
of
opening
public
hearing
public
hearing
is
now
open.
Lisa.
Is
there
any
member
of
the
public
wishing
to
speak.
D
V
D
V
D
This
is
from
graham
curselik,
dear
planning
and
development
board
members.
I
write
to
you
regarding
item
6f
on
the
agenda
for
your
october
26th
meeting
site
interview,
catherine
commons.
As
you
know,
after
significant
community
engagement
and
diligent
work
from
our
city
staff.
Over
many
years,
the
college
town
area
forum
districts
were
approved
by
council
on
march
2014,
followed
by
approval
of
the
college
town
design
guidelines
on
in
february
2018.
D
These
efforts
and
our
current
regulations
have
resulted
in
many
innovative
projects
which
have
improved
housing
options
for
residents
in
the
core
of
college
town,
while
preserving
the
character
of
surrounding
residential
neighborhoods.
The
proposed
catherine
commons
project
has
the
potential
to
continue
such
progress
by
further
increasing
housing
options
in
college
town.
However,
the
proposed
project
seeks
an
excessive
number
of
variances
and
will
likely
have
a
significant
impact
on
two
historic
building
adjacent
to
the
project
site.
The
excessive
variances
sought
will
undermine
public
confidence
in
the
city's
ability
to
guide
and
regulate
development.
D
D
Shadow
studies
ignore
the
benefits
of
mid-block
breaks
between
existing
buildings,
which
provide
light
and
views
from
college
app
views
from
west
hill
are
focused
on
catherine
street
and
cook
street
and
do
not
adequately
represent
the
significant
impact
the
buildings
will
have
on
the
street
streetscape
college
ave.
The
inclusion
of
public
space
and
large
scale
projects
is
an
essential
element
in
the
city's
plan
for
college
town.
It
is
encouraging
to
see
the
renderings
of
such
space
integrated
into
the
catherine
south
building
between
cook
and
catherine.
D
D
It
is
encouraging
to
read
the
project
team
appreciates
the
city's
construction
reconstruction
of
college
app,
including
the
bearing
of
the
overhead
utilities,
which
improve
the
views
of
the
grand
view
house.
This
project
will
also
improve
the
views
from
this
historic
building.
Sadly,
the
proposed
project
will
undo
much
of
this
improvement.
I
urge
the
board
to
take
a
critical
look
at
the
negative
impact
of
the
project
on
the
two
neighboring
historic
buildings.
D
B
AA
Hi,
my
name
is
gregor
browse
college
town
bagels.
I
also
have
agava
in
the
local
neighborhood.
I've
been
doing
business
on
college
ave
for
over
40
years,
and
my
belief
is
that
the
entrance
to
cornell
is
really
represented
on
that
street
and
that
we
deserve
to
have
a
very
elegant
entry
and
an
entry
which
you
know,
makes
a
statement.
As
you
drive
towards
the
campus.
AA
I
think
that
that
the
street
has
really
been
underserved
to
a
certain
extent
in
terms
of
its
thought
process
and
its
development,
and
I'm
really
honored
that
two
local
guys
would
would
come
and
want
to
put
so
much
money
and
time
into
this
street
in
such
a
comprehensive
and
holistic
looking
project.
I
think
that
it
connects
the
street
to
the
buildings
in
a
very,
very
urban
way.
AA
I
think,
there's
green
space.
I
think,
there's
walkability.
I
think
the
the
infrastructure
is
improved
dramatically
by
the
the
work
that
they're
doing
on
the
on
the
whole
area
and
what
this
adds
to
the
the
whole
dynamic.
So
the
the
entry
you
know
up
that
street,
I
think,
will
be
phenomenally
better
and
their
whole
vision
about
how
they
can
both
add
to
the
street
and
and
continue
that
up
the
street
with
the
other.
You
know.
AA
The
other
projects
going
on,
I
think
is,
is
really
a
great
addition
to
college
down
into
the
city.
I'm
pleased
to
see
that
the
city
values
college
town.
Sometimes
it
feels
like
we're
just
a
step
child
up
there,
but
I
don't
think
so,
and
I
think
that
people
here
at
this
meeting
realize
that
this
is
key
to
the
city
and
I'm
very
pleased
to
see
you
know
you
thinking
about
it,
considering
this
project
and
and
and
looking
at
this
to
to
add
to
our
environment.
So
thank
you
very
much
for
having
me.
AA
B
You
lisa,
am
I
correct
in
understanding
that
that
is
it
as
far
as
people
wishing
to
speak
at
this
public
hearing,
that's.
D
B
Is
there
a
motion
to
close
public
hearing?
I
saw
elizabeth
move
and
mackenzie.
Second,
all
those
in
favor
of
closing
public
hearing
public
hearing
is
now
closed.
With
that
we
have
seen
a
lot
on
this
project
today.
I
think
it's
worthwhile
to
go
around
the
room
and
get
a
reaction
to
what
we've
seen
mitch.
If
it's
all
right,
I
would
start
with
you.
E
Yeah
sure,
thanks
thanks
for
the
updates,
I
was
just
taking
a
couple
of
notes.
I
I
am
interested
in
understanding
more
about
graham
kirslik's
comments
about
the
two
historic
buildings
I
wasn't
really
quite
sure
which
ones
he
was
referring
to
and
if
you
could
highlight
that,
maybe
in
the
next
presentation
I'd
appreciate
that
there
was
also
a
letter
that
we
received
about
a
mid-block
crossing
the
graphic
didn't
the
map
did
not
come
through,
at
least
for
me,
and
so
I
didn't
quite
understand
what
that
person
was
getting
at.
E
Thank
you
very
much
for
the
color
and
facade
studies,
like
that's
really
helpful,
and
I
appreciate,
when
applicants
actually
go
out
of
the
way
to
do
that
and
provide
that
information
that
allows
us
to
kind
of
have
input
into
these
really
important
pieces
of
the
architecture.
So
thank
you
for
that
for
the
shade
study.
It
would
be
good
to
understand
the
difference
between
the
by
right
shadows
versus
the
the
shadows
with
the
variants
you're
seeking.
So
I
can
understand
the
difference.
E
E
We've
in
the
past
generally
supported
this
idea
of
more
hype
in
exchange
for
the
public
space
at
the
bottom,
but
the
comment
that
mr
kurslick
brought
up
was
that
other
projects
have
done
it
within
the
zoning
code,
and
I
I
would
just
like
to
say
that
I
think
every
project
is
different
and
every
context
is
different
and
every
pro
forma
is
different
right.
So
we
don't
have
access
to
the
economics
of
these
projects.
E
E
I'll
stop.
There.
B
Thanks,
thank
you.
Emily.
G
Thanks,
I
really
appreciate
gregor's
comment
about
this
being
an
entrance
into
college
town.
I
hadn't
thought
of
it
like
that
before
I
kind
of
thought
of
this
as
a
back
entrance,
but
but
I
think,
he's
really
right
and
totally
agree
that
what
you're
adding
to
this
block
will
be
the
new
face
from
the
south
of
college
town.
G
I
also
really
appreciate
those
facade
studies.
I
don't
know
that
I
have
an
opinion
yet,
but
I
am
increasingly
convinced
that
the
materials
you're
choosing
are
really
dynamic
and
when
you're
up
close
to
them,
I
think
it'll
create
a
really
interesting
experience
to
walk
alongside
them,
and
I
also
think
that
the
height
is
absolutely
worth
the
activation
of
the
streetscape.
G
So
you
know
I
agree
with
mitch
anything
you
can
do
to
give
some
insight
on
the
pro
forma
and
economic
side
of
it
is
helpful,
I'm
already
leaning
in
the
direction
of
very
much
supporting
the
height
variants,
but
that
would
just
be
another
notch
that
we
can,
that
we
can
look
towards
and
support
and
I'll
stop
there
as
well.
Thanks.
C
Thank
you
in
the
interest
of
time.
I
won't
add
anything
mitch
and
emily
have
already
encompassed
my
comments.
Well,.
B
F
Yeah,
I
have
the
same
feelings
as
mitch
and
emily
only
they
said
it
more
eloquently
than
I
could
have.
Maybe
one
thing
I'd
add
is
that
I
think
the
the
mid-block
crossing
is
that
you
can
go
from
lyndon
to
college
on
the
path
that
goes
between
the
green
star
college
town,
crossing
building
and
the
fire
station
uphill
of
it,
and
I
believe
that
in
the
in
the
college,
town
design
guidelines
and
in
the
or
maybe
was
in
the
comp
plan,
but
there's
been
a
stated
goal
of
trying
to
carry
that
through.
F
So
the
idea
would
be
that
you
could
start.
I
have
to
go
back
and
check
where
this
is,
but
I
think
it
is
in
the
college
town.
So
maybe
it's
the
goody
clancy.
Sorry,
I
think
it's.
The
goody
clancy
report
has
had
asked
for
trying
to
extend
these
mid-block
crossings
as
much
as
possible.
F
So
the
idea
is,
you
could
start
at
linden,
go
down
through
college
and
then
the
question
is,
I
don't
know
the
answer
is:
is
there
an
opportunity
to
carry
that
mid-block
crossing
through
down
to
eddie
street
and
it
may
be,
you
know.
Obviously
not
you
couldn't
do
all
that
in
this
project,
but
could
we
at
least
create
the
opportunity
for
that
mid-block
crossing
to
be
completed
at
a
later
stage,
and
so
that's
just
a
question.
I
think
that
we
should
put
before
the
applicant.
Let
them
answer.
B
Thank
you,
elizabeth.
H
Yeah,
I
was
just
trying
to
find
the
button
here.
You'd
think
I
spent
all
day
on
zoom.
I'd
know
how
to
do
that
better
yeah,
I'm
I'm
really
happy
with
the
project
I
enjoy.
Listening
to
your
thought
process
on
the
different
facade
studies,
and
I
agree
that
a
mid-block
pass-through
would
be
great
if
you
could
incorporate
it
into
the
project.
B
Thank
you,
so
I'm
hearing
a
positive
consensus,
a
positive
reaction
to
what
we've
seen
here
today
we
are
over
on
time,
but
I
do
want
to
check
in
with
lisa.
If
there's
anything,
we
want
to
be
sure
and
cover
before
we
part
ways
on
this
today,.
D
Yeah
there
was
just
there
was
one
additional
thing,
which
is
that
I'm
going
to
talk
about
the
demolition.
Is
that
what
you're
going
to
bring
up
catherine
yeah?
So,
as
you
are
aware,
if
you've
been
up
to
college
town
and
from
just
the
the
project
proposal,
there
are
several
houses
that
are
currently
vacant
and
they've
been
disconnected
from
utilities,
and
they
will
not
be
coming
back
online
they're
part
of
this
project.
They
will
be
demolished
when
this
project
is
implemented,
but
they're.
D
D
As
per
our
ordinance,
demolition
requires
design
review,
so
yes
in
college
tone.
So
I
wonder
if
I
could
get
comments
from
you
about
what
you
think
about
demoing
the
buildings.
Generally,
we
don't
let
people
demo
buildings
until
at
least
after
the
seeker
is
completed,
but
in
this
case
we
are
in
the
process
of
site
plan.
Review
and
buildings
are
somewhat
of
a
nuisance,
but
we
haven't
really
gotten
to
that
point.
So
I
was
wondering
if
you
could
provide
some
your
thoughts
or
comments
about
them.
B
E
I
just
need
to
understand
which
buildings,
but
also
there's,
there's
a
lot
of
research
going
on
right
now
at
cornell
about
reusing
and
recycling,
building
demolition,
waste
and
materials.
So
I
would
encourage
you
to
reach
out
to
those
folks.
It's
really
good
work
and
I
think
that's
a
really
important
thing
that
we
should
be
looking
at.
You
know
in
terms
of
recycling
and
salvaging
and
production
of
new
material,
and
you
know,
reuse
and
I
think
it's
good
stuff.
So
please
check
that
out.
M
AB
The
development
group
we
actually
have
been
working
with
those
folks.
AB
T
AB
And
we've
also
met
with
diane
cohn
and
felix
and
gideon
stone
kind
of
looking
into
the
possibility
of
doing
this
on
at
least
one
of
the
buildings.
So
we've
been
pretty
actively
discussing
this
possibility
with
that.
E
G
AB
I
I
I
think
the
idea
would
be
that
if
we
can
demolish
these
buildings
would
be
to
install
a
construction
fence
around
them,
to
which
we
could
add
scrim,
similar
to
what
we
did
at
325
college
avenue
that
maybe
even
shows
images
of
what
the
project
is
going
to
be.
AB
You
know
that
will
take
the
place
of
these
lots,
but
they
are
an
ongoing
liability
issue
already
with
people
constantly
breaking
in,
I
think
we've
had
the
police
department
up
there
at
least
a
half
a
dozen
times,
if
not
more,
investigating
people
who've
been
ripping
the
plywood
panels
off
doors
breaking
in
breaking
windows,
yeah
other
sort
of
nuisance
stuff,
like
that,
I
think.
AB
AB
C
Yeah,
if
the,
if
the
buildings
aren't
providing
a
service
to
the
community
more
so
than
empty,
lots,
would
then
obviously-
and
they
can
come
down
and
totally
appreciate
that
you've
been
putting
effort
towards
exploring
ways
to
deconstruct,
and
I
mean
sometimes
I
worry
about
like
phase
one
and
phase
two
and
what,
if
we
approve
phase
one
and
then
phase
two
never
happens,
and
so
saying
like
yes,
demolish
the
buildings
now,
because
something
better
is
going
to
go
in
its
place
like
if
that
doesn't
happen.
AB
C
AB
In
terms
of
sequence,
you
know
catholic.
C
That,
if
the
question
at
hand
is
demolishing
the
buildings
in
order
to
be,
you
know
to
be
able
to
to
build
like,
I
don't
see
why
there
would
be
weather.
Why
that
wouldn't
just
be
a
natural
chain
of
events.
O
F
F
They
just
see
more
abandonment
like
what's
going
on.
You
know
why
are
there
all
these
boarded
up
empty
buildings?
And
you
know
this
area
looks
depressing
and
you
know
my
response,
of
course,
is
to
say
well
just
look
at
what's
coming
and
then
show
them
the
ethical
voice
articles
on
it,
but
you
know
a
boarded
up.
Empty
building
is
depressing
and
a
construction
site
is
signed
a
product
to
look
forward.
B
H
B
Great
go
ahead.
H
Yeah,
I'm
100
in
support
of
taking
these
down
as
soon
as
we
can
have
proper
approval
documentation.
I
feel
like
bordered
up.
Buildings
are
a
hazard
fire
hazard
and
safety
hazard.
H
So
we
don't
want
what
do
we
call
them
squatters
during
the
winter
and
there's
potential
for
it
being
a
life
safety
issue.
So
I
fully
support
that
being
something
that
we
go
ahead
and
improve.
B
Eric
you're
back,
I
went
ahead
and
turned
it
over
to
elizabeth,
but
if
there
was
anything
else
you
wanted
to
add,
you
certainly
have
the
floor.
F
I
don't
know
where
I
cut
off,
but
I
guess
to
summarize
I'm
I'm
all
for
demolition,
and
I
just
encourage
you
know
some
signage
or
something
to
let
people
know
that
progress
is
on
the
way
that
this
is
we're
moving
forward,
not
abandoning
more
buildings.
Great.
B
D
I
just
I
heard
a
couple
comments
about
well,
maybe
some
of
the
buildings
that
I
I
just
want
to
make
sure
the
board
understands
how
many
buildings
would
be
demolished.
Catherine
g,
could
you
pull
up
a
quick,
a
survey,
or
I
mean
it's
in
your
app
it's
in
your
packet
or
just
state
the
number.
So
you
know
we're
not
talking
about
just
a
couple
buildings.
C
E
R
Let's
see
here,
I
don't
know
that
I
have
them
out,
but
you
know
if
you
have
your
packet
on
page
page,
six
in
your
in
the
bookmark
that
you
all
received,
there's
a
survey
that
shows
all
of
this
shows
the
existing
condition
and
all
of
the
existing
buildings
are
shown
there.
O
H
R
G
B
D
Yeah,
it's
not
that
you
need
enough.
I
mean
we
don't
need
a
vote
exactly
from
you,
but
but
if
I
mean
or
possibly
you
know,
catherine
and
arvin
could
could
you
know,
send
you
images
of
the
buildings
and
you
know
you
have
the
survey
or
just
in
a
package.
So
you
can
see
it.
B
Yeah,
I
mean
some
sort
of
summary
memo
with
exhibits
and
if
they
just
emailed
it
to
staff
and
staff,
circulated
it
to
the
board,
I
mean,
I
think,
there's
a
consensus.
I
don't
think
that
this
is
actually
going
to
be
a
controversial
decision.
That's
just
the
way
we're
going
about
it
right
now
doesn't
feel
quite
right.
So
let's
just
put
a
code
of
polish
on
what
we're
looking
at
and
then
we'll
get
them
a
decision,
and
I
think
it'll
be
the
decision.
They
want.
B
D
And
I
did
hear
I
just
want
to
make
sure
you
know
they
did
mention
putting
construction
fencing
up
with.
You
know
some
kind
of
image
or
information
about
the
new
project,
which
I
would
definitely
want
to
mention
that
so
can
we
do
that
tomorrow?
Can
we
circulate
the
survey
with
images
of
the
buildings
and
for
the
board.
B
Great,
thank
you
very
much,
so
I
think
that
does
it
for
tonight.
Thank
you
very
much.
I
appreciate
all
the
time.
B
D
We
are
not
we're
doing
what
228,
which
you
already
did
and
then
201
east
tompkins.
D
G
B
It's
the
second
to
last
page
of
the
attachment
that
got
sent
out
earlier.
It's
a
it's
a
mock-up
photo
and
it's
fine.
I
mean
I'll,
say
I
also
think
it'd
be
justified
with
one
sign,
but
you
know
it
seems
inoffensive.
O
O
D
C
B
B
I
apologize
for
that,
so
that
would
bring
us
to
old
new
business
unless
there's
something
else
we
need
on
that
variance
which
I
I
don't
imagine
there
is
all
right
potential
special
meeting
for
catherine
commons,
there's
a
fifth
tuesday
in
november.
I
suppose
how
excited
are
people
to
spend
that
fifth,
tuesday,
in
november
on
catherine
commons.
D
I'm
bringing
this
up
now
because
it
is
a
big
project
and
it
probably
merits
a
special
meeting
at
some
point.
I
don't
know
when
the
next
fifth
tuesday
is
if
it
works.
Let
me
see.
D
F
I
can
do
it.
I
just
say
that,
given
the
importance
of
the
size
of
the
project,
I'd
like
to
at
least
talk
about
it
before
9
00
pm,
because
I
start
fading
around
8
39.
I
don't
trust
my
judgment
anymore.
D
B
I'll
say
I'm
fine
with
doing
it.
I
I'd
wanna
have
some
pretty
clear
idea
of
what
we
were
trying
to
accomplish
before
we
said
yes
to
doing
it
right
now
I
mean
as
big
as
it
is.
It
just
feels
early
enough
that
I
mean
I
feel
like
we're,
not
necessarily
making
the
most
efficient
use
of
our
time
on
this
particular
project.
Anyway,
I
mean
it's.
Fine
today
was
fine,
but
I
mean
it's
not
like.
B
If
they'd
had
another
hour
tonight,
they'd
have
filled
it,
I'm
not
sure
we
would
have
accomplished
anything
more
and
until
we're
up
against
the
clock,
where
we're
actually
making
meaningful
accomplishments
with
our
minute
to
minute
interactions
with
the
project,
it
seems
to
happen
sort
of-
maybe
you
know,
maybe
two-thirds
of
the
way
through
seeker.
You
know
I
feel
like
they
get
the
shift
and
it
all
gets
a
little
more
productive.
D
Just
advance
one
of
the
other,
I
think
we
have
all
the
information,
almost
all
the
information
we
need
for
seeker,
it's
just
a
matter
of
having
enough
time
to
discuss
it
all
at
different
meetings.
So
let
me
let
me
look
at
it.
I
mean
I
think
we
could
have
we
could
have
you
know
we
could
just
advance
the
schedule
by
one.
You
know.
B
B
I've
heard
a
couple
other
voices
that
say
they're
open
to
it.
I've
heard
no
strong
enthusiasm
from
anyone,
but
you.
H
D
H
Yeah
yeah,
I
could
do
november
30th,
then.
B
I
think
that
probably
brings
us
to
a
november
and
december
meeting
schedule.
Conversation
more
broadly.
O
D
D
Yes,
we
can't
just
skip
that
good.
We
wish
we
could.
That
would
be
great,
okay,
so
the
november
december
meeting
november,
we
traditionally
do
not
change
the
date
of
the
meeting,
it's
the
same
week
as
thanksgiving,
but
it's
the
tuesday
before
and
seems
reasonable.
Almost
anybody
has
an
objection
to
that.
D
I
know:
mckenzie
said
that
she
wouldn't
be
able
to
be
here,
but
as
long
as
other
people
can,
that
should
be
fine
and
the
december
meeting
we
sometimes
or
usually
switch
it
from
the
week
of
the
christmas
holiday,
but
this
year
it's
on
tuesday
and
christmas
is
on
sunday,
so
we
don't
have
to
switch
it.
We
can
have
it
on
the
21st.
Usually
we
bump
it
forward,
like
you
know,
or
back.
C
D
G
A
G
C
A
Just
from
noticing
past
experience,
it's
almost
impossible
to
get
a
hold
of
anybody
during
that
week.
A
lot
of
people
take
it
off.
A
lot
of
people
are
traveling,
even
if
we're
doing
zoom
stuff,
they
won't
have
their
architects
and
stuff
in
their
offices.
In.
D
A
B
D
Yeah-
and
you
know
we
did
talk-
we
have
talked
over.
This
is
diverting,
but
you
know,
as
mackenzie
has
said,
she
has
to
resign
and
we're
all
incredibly
sad
about
that
and
we'll
miss
her
so
much,
and
so,
if
any
of
you
have
any
recommendations
for
new
board
members,
we
can
give
them
to
the
mayor
as
soon
as
possible.
So
we
can
get
her.
C
D
C
Yeah,
I
would
absolutely
be
a
pinch
hitter
and
I
was
gonna
say
that
I
hope
that
when
you
get
tours
of
buildings,
you
still
invite
me
to
those.
O
C
Yeah,
I'm
gonna,
I'm
gonna
miss
you
all.
It
was
a
big,
hard
decision,
as
I'm
sure
I
think
you
all
know
how
much
I
love
and
have
felt
really
committed
to
the
board
and
yeah
and,
like
I
said
in
my
email,
it's
not
just
like
meeting
that
needing
extra
space
in
my
life
or
feeling
like
life
is
a
little
bit
squished
right
now,
but
I've
been
on
the
I've
been
here
for
around
a
decade
or
so,
and
I
feel
like
other.
C
I
want
to
make
space
for
other
people
to
have
an
impact,
and
I
don't
want
to
say
necessarily
that
I've
like
peaked
or
anything,
but
I
know
that
I've
been
part
of
like
really
impactful
important
work
and
it
feels
important
that
other
voices
get
to
be
at
the
table
too.
I
guess
I'm
feeling
ready
to
like
pass
the
baton.
It's
what
it
is.
C
D
D
B
I
don't
have
a
planning
board
chair
report
except
to
say
it's
good
to
be
back,
and
I
appreciate
the
the
thoughtful
gift
from
from
all
you
guys,
and
you
know
it's
it
tonight
felt
good.
I'm
sorry
we're
a
little
over,
but
we're
not
too
bad,
and
the
meeting
was
fine
enough
and
you
guys
carried
most
of
the
weight
as
usual
and
it's
all
fine
bpw
liaison.
F
Not
much
to
say
other
than
the
two
big
projects
we're
looking
at
a
401
state
street
that
just
got
approved-
and
you
know
katherine
commons-
are
maybe,
coincidentally
or
not,
coincidentally,
also
the
the
site
of
some
of
the
biggest
public
works
projects
in
the
city
and
the
retaining
wall
was
just
finished
on
state
street
and,
of
course,
the
whole
street
on
college
town
has
been
ripped
up.
So
I
just
think
it's
important.
We
try
to
make
sure
we're
coordinated
with
the
new
construction
and
the
in
the
infrastructure.
Changes
make
sure.
F
That's
all
you
know
coordinated
well
and
that
we
don't
destroy
any
of
the
new
infrastructure
and
a
demand
them
demolishing
those
buildings,
for
example
on
college
avenue
and
putting
new
ones
up
so
exciting.
One
of
the
things
that's
going
on
at
bpw
is
street
lights.
F
I
don't
know
if
you
guys
picked
up
on
the
fact
that
the
city
bought
them
from
nysig
and
they've
now
gone
around
and
reinstalled
led
heads
and
led
bulbs
in
a
lot
of
them
and
turns
out
people
don't
have
strong
feelings
about
street
lights
and
you
know
you
can
make
them
bright
or
not
bright
and
people
just
don't
seem
to
care
one
way
or
another.
F
So
no
complaints,
everyone's
happy
and
that's
where
we
are
on
street
lamps.
O
F
Are
pouring
in
and
people
feel
very
strongly
about
it.
It's
it's
unbelievable.
I
mean
I,
I
can't
sleep,
I'm
up
all
night,
you
know
with
the
glare
or.
O
F
No,
oh,
well
I
mean
people,
don't
ever
call
in
to
say
a
new
new
bulb.
I
love
it,
so
it's
either
too
dark
or
too
bright,
but
it's.
D
D
D
So
I
guess
our
biggest
news
is,
as
you
know,
joanna
is
retiring
as
the
director
of
planning
on
thursday.
D
If
you
have
any
messages
to
send
to
her,
you
should
I'll
be
acting
director
well
until
they
do
a
search
which
they
don't
expect
to
do
for
quite
some
time,
but
we'll
I'll
keep
you
posted
on
that
and
the
other
news.
It's
not
specifically
planning
news,
but
that
you
might
want
be
aware
of
is
that
we
are
in
the
budget
process
and
the
budget
is
set
potentially
to
be
adopted
on
november
3rd,
but
there's
also
a
meeting
scheduled
for
november
10th.
In
case
they
don't
adopt
it.
D
You
can
see
the
budget
on
our
website.
2022
mayor's
proposed
budget.
There's
some
and
it
has.
It
does
have
a
list
of
the
capital
projects
that
are
going
forward,
we'll
see
which
ones
make
it
a
you
know
it's.
The
they've
already
been
through
a
whole
analysis
process
and
the
mayor
recommended
certain
capital
projects,
some
of
them
that
might
interest.
D
You
are
money
for
the
design
of
the
400
block
of
college
ab
to
finally
design
that
streetscape,
so
that
then,
can
be
implemented,
because
you
know
the
whole
2
and
300
block
are
now
under
construction
and
the
fair
streetscapes
will
be
implemented
and
also,
you
know
much
lots
of
money
for
our
sustainability
initiatives
and
money
for
to
implement
the
intersection
at
fifth
street
related
to
kyogre
park
development,
encourage
you
to
look
at
the
budget
and
look
at
the
capital
projects.
If
you
have
any
comments
to
me
to
make
them
to
comment.
D
Yes,
so
I'd
like
to
just
tell
you
about
training
opportunities
every
every
month,
this
month
there
is
a
upstate
american
planning.
Association
conference
is
happening
right
now.
It's
been
happening
all
month
and
tomorrow
there
is
a
session
on
planning
board
ethics.
I
wish
I
had
told
you
this
sooner.
D
If
anyone
can
make
it,
I
think
it's
twenty
five
dollars
to
register,
but
we
can
reimburse
you
it's
at
two
o'clock,
it's
online,
if
you're
interested,
if
you
would
like
a
particu,
any
kind
of
particular
session
or
training,
I
can-
and
you
can't
make
this
one-
I
can,
you
know,
locate
a
different
training
session
for
you.
I
know
it's
hard
to
go
through
training
when
you're
already
doing
so
much
work
on
planning
board.
D
I
can,
I
can
send
it
out
I'll,
send
it
out
after
this
meeting
yeah.
Thank
you.