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A
Elmira
road
sidewalk,
so
pedestrians
do
not
have
to
go
through
the
curb
cuts
to
get
in.
They
can
come
directly
into
the
front
door.
We
will
also
keep
the
side
door
for
fuel
customers
for
access.
Is
there
so
we
cover
pedestrian
access
there
we
propose,
we
know.
Biking
is
important.
We
propose
a
bike
rack
underneath
the
overhang
on
the
front
of
the
store
the
fuel
can.
A
Canopy
is
gonna,
be
on
the
east
side,
83
by
40,
with
six
fueling
dispensers,
two
underground
petroleum
tanks,
one
of
twenty
thousand
and
one
ten
thousand
double
wall.
Fiberglass
state
of
the
art
100
approved
by
the
epa
feds
dec.
From
a
parking
space
standpoint
you
can
see,
there's
a
significant
decrease.
A
A
I'll
get
going
yep
alcohol
continues
so
currently
there's
approximately
61
spaces.
We're
going
to
go
to
30..
There
is
going
to
be
a
decreasing
impervious
surface,
we're
talking
about
when
all
said
and
done,
we
will
have
a
20
okay.
A
Can
you
see
it
good?
This
will
help
me
clean
this.
So
currently,
on
this
site
plan,
there
is
20
green
space.
Okay
on
our
property.
The
catch
here
is,
if
you
look
at
the
front
of
our
property
between
the
building
and
elmira
road,
there's
a
lot
of
green
right
there.
A
We
can't
count
that
green,
because
that's
that's
the
right
way,
the
city
right
away.
Okay,
so
you
will
there's
a
jag
in
the
property
line
around
the
free
standing
sign
if
you
can
see
it
over
there.
So
when
you
include
our
frontage
green
space
right
away,
if
you
extended
that
out,
the
green
space
would
be
25.6
percent,
okay,
which
I
that's
that's
a
great
deal
of
green
space.
You
can
see
that
the
canopy
is
not
there,
of
course,
we'll
be
adding
that
we've
kept
the
drive
lanes
very
wide.
A
If
you've
noticed
that
43
feet
30
feet
29
feet,
that's
something
we
always
try
to
do.
For
you
know,
vehicles
and
and
larger
vehicles
and
whatnot.
We
want
to
use
the
existing
curb
cuts.
I
did
speak
to
eric
hathaway,
your
director
of
transportation.
It
is
in
your
jurisdiction
right
in
that
area.
It
turns
from
the
new
york
state
d.o.t
to
the
city,
but
the
city
does
have
jurisdiction
over
that.
I
also
spoke
with
the
new
york
state
d.o.t
up
here
in
region.
A
Three
and
she
said
nope,
it's
all
the
city,
so
they
have
no
comment,
no
saying
anything.
Okay,
so
we
want
to
reuse
the
exact
curb
cuts,
as
they
are
there's
nothing
wrong
with
them.
Actually,
it
looks
like
somebody
re-concreted
them
and
repaved
them
here
within
the
last
couple
years,
so
we
have
no
intentions
of
changing
those
in
regards
to
lighting
we're
gonna
rip,
all
the
lighting
out
again.
A
This
is
basically
a
you
know:
a
rebuild
right
now:
there's
old
yard
lighting,
we're
proposing
a
hundred
percent
dark
sky
friendly,
compliant
lighting,
as
well
as
a
hundred
percent
led
lighting,
nine
yard
lights.
The
canopy
lights
will
be
recessed
and
again
they're
100,
dark
sky
and
led
same
thing
with
the
wall
packs.
A
There's
a
foot
candle
lighting
plan
done
with
an
imaging,
that's
in
the
package
as
well,
but
you
will
see
there's
no
spell
on
any
property
line,
so
we're
very
good
there.
Actually,
I
would.
It
would
be
a
significant
better
situation
than
what's
there
now
from
what
I
see.
A
From
a
building
standpoint,
well
finish
the
site
plan,
you
can
see
we're
proposing
some
landscaping
underneath
the
building
over
the
overhang.
We
have
approximately
10
new
trees
that
will
be
planted.
Six
of
them
are
red
maples.
On
the
east
side,
four
of
them
are
pairs.
I
did
get
the
county
comment
from
the
city
forester.
She
didn't
like
our
pear
trees,
so
we
would
change
that
to
a
different
type
of
pear
tree
again,
not
a
problem
at
the
least
bits.
B
I
think
we
would
want
shade
trees,
not
pear
trees,.
A
D
A
pretty
good
overview,
I'm
gonna,
I'm
gonna
break
in
on
you
do
you
have
any
particular
concerns
about
things
that
might
come
up
over
the
course
of
the
approvals
process.
Here,
we've
already
gotten
a
comment
or
two
from
people
who
don't
like
gas
stations.
D
I
think
it's
very
possible
that
that
could
happen
in
the
public
hearing.
You
know-
and
you
know
that's
just
something
to
expect,
but
is
there
anything
that
you
are
worried
about
or
or
focused
on?
You
know
in
the
context
of
the
approvals
process,
you're
about
to
start.
A
C
Do
you
have
any
feedback
either?
I
saw
there's
no
variances
needed.
There
was
a
comment.
Public
comment
about
the
height
of
the
sign
and
the
sign
blocking
some
views.
Do
you
know
what
the
current
height
of
the
denny
sign
is
or
you're
going
to
20
feet?
I
saw
yeah
bigger
than
the
denny's
sign
or
something.
A
B
So
I
think
these
are
residences
back
here,
so
I
think
we
really
want
to
look
at
a
couple
things.
I
don't
know
if
you
have
fencing
proposed,
so
we
want
to
make
sure
this
is
screened.
A
Or
there's
we
do
not
do
that
anymore.
We
used
to
about
five
years
ago.
It's
called
muse
act,
but
we
do
not.
The
only
thing
we
have
is
you
legally.
You
have
to
be
able
to
speak
to
customers
in
case
of
emergency
sure,
but
it
is
not.
There
is,
should
be
no
music
sound
at
the
canopy
at
all.
B
A
B
A
There
you
can
see
the
south
elevation
of
the
front
of
it.
We
do
it
very
simple:
we
do
a
green
vinyl
wrap
that
matches
basically
the
roof.
All
the
other
burn
dairy
stores.
We
have
burned
dairy
all
over
it,
but
I
knew
that
wouldn't
go
well
here,
so
I
left
all
the
signage
and
verbiage
off
of
there,
but
you
you
can
see
it.
I'm
holding
this
up.
There's
an
info
package
about
the
fifth
page
back
in
it
just
shows.
You
know
that
we
try
not
to
draw
attention
to
our
canopies.
A
A
D
Okay,
yeah:
we
want
to
see
details
on
the
canopy
and
the
next
next
strongest
package.
That'd
be
great
yeah.
D
So
I
think,
all
of
lisa's
you
know
concerns
there
are
worth
taking
into
account.
I
think
that
that
that's
all
stuff
that
we'll
want
to
hit
before
we're
through
all
this
I'm
interested
to
see
how
the
public
hearing
goes
in
a
couple
weeks,
I'm
hoping
it's
smooth,
but
because
it's
ithaca
and
a
gas
station
I
could
imagine
it
not
not
going
particularly
smooth
I'll
say
from
my
piece.
This
seems
like
an
appropriate
site
for
this
use.
It
seems
like
a
tidy
project.
D
It
seems
like
a
good
adaptive,
reuse,
the
building
that
has
trouble
hanging
on
to
a
tenant.
You
know
I
I
like
it
and
I
don't
think
it'll.
You
know
all
we're
doing
as
far
as
actions.
You
know
this
first
time
is
listening
to
people
and
declaring
ourselves
lead
agent,
so
we'll
definitely
get
that
done
right,
we'll
definitely
make
it
through
the
public
hearing
and
you'll
definitely
get
a
lead
agent,
and
then,
at
the
end
of
that,
I
think
we'll
have
a
good
sense
of
you
know
how
things
will
shake
out
afterwards.
B
B
A
F
D
Necessarily
expect
changes
between
now
and
a
couple
weeks
from
now,
okay
and
then
that'll
give
you
a
chance
to
listen
to
people,
and
you
know
see
if
there's
you
know
things
to
incorporate
in
the
next
round
of
changes
but
yeah.
I
think
this
first
meeting
should
go
smooth
enough
and
you
know
I
hope
I
hope
the
whole
process
goes
smooth
for
you.
F
C
A
Well,
thank
you
very
much.
Christian
okay
sounds
good,
wonderful
and
I'll
see
everyone
via
zoom
on
two
weeks.
Yeah
see
you
then
all
right.
Thank
you.
Bye,
bye,.
B
D
Great
excellent,
so
the
only
action
item
we
have
for
this
first
meeting
is
the
query
lead
agency
on
the
project,
which
is
easy
because
it
will
definitely
happen
and
then
beyond
that
we'll
just
want.
You
know,
have
an
initial
presentation
from
you
guys
and
in
the
meantime,
for
this
meeting.
Maybe
you
could
just
introduce
yourselves
and
tell
us
a
little
bit
about
what
we'll
be
reviewing.
F
I'll,
let
eric
take
us
away
and
then
we
can
do
that
arc
site.
G
Good
morning
my
name
is
eric
colbert
and
I
was
actually
born
in
ithaca
and
I
raised
there
and
went
to
school
at
cornell,
where
I
got
my
architecture
degree
and
since
then
I
have
been
kind
of
my
firm
has
been
very
dominant
in
the
field
of
urban
residential
projects.
G
For
a
long
time
we
were
doing
you
know.
Before
doing
new
apartment
buildings
became
in
the
vogue
in
dc.
We
were
doing
for
17
years
a
lot
of
affordable
housing,
including
renovations
of
these
huge
garden
apartment
complexes
and
different
areas
of
inner
city
areas
and
then
around
2000
or
before
that
when,
when
they
started
building
apartment
buildings
for
market
rate,
condominiums
and
rental,
we
were
involved
in
that
transition,
and
so
we
really
continued
to
you
know,
develop
our
practice.
I'd
be
glad
to
have
you
look
at
our
website.
G
It's
eca-pc.com
and
you
can
see
you
know.
Most
of
our
projects
are
very
actually
similar
to
what's
going
on
here
in
the
sense
that
you
have
a
site.
That's
kind
of
irregular
has
some
more
complex
zoning
issues
and
you
know
up
you're
going
up
to
the
property
line
in
a
lot
of
cases.
So
I
was
sitting
in
my
office
one
day
and
I
got
this
call
and
you
know
the
area
code
607
I
was
like.
G
Oh,
I
know
that,
and
it
just
turned
out
that
one
of
the
associates
that
my
client's
company
an
architect
also
was
in
spent
some
time
living
in
dc
and
working
here
and
that's
how
he
became
familiar
with
our
work.
So
when
he
asked
us
to
be
considered
as
an
architect
for
this
project.
I
was
very
delighted
because
I
love
ithaca
and
the
idea
of
being
able
to
do
a
project.
G
Our
proposal
is
to
capture
the
feeling
of
the
existing
building
on
the
corner
and
then
just
you
know,
build
a
new
apartment
building
that
is
conforming
with
the
zoning
requirements
as
much
as
possible.
G
G
So
this
zone,
this
area,
I
guess-
was
recently
reduced
a
little
bit
in
terms
of
density,
so
that
you
were
unable
to
have
52
total
feet
of
height,
and
so
the
way
that
factors
out
is
that
you
get
12
feet
for
the
first
floor
for
the
commercial
uses
and
then
10
feet
floor
to
floor
for
the
the
four
floors
above
that
and
because
of
the
fact
that
the
previous
diagram
showed
that
we
were
in
this.
You
know
our
site
is
kind
of
in
a
in
two
different
zones.
G
The
zone
on
the
north
side
is
allows
a
40-foot
height
and,
since
part
of
our
building
extends
into
that,
we
are
going
to
reduce
the
building
by
one
story.
But
what
we'd
like
to
ask
for
in
terms
of
flexibility
from
a
zoning
perspective
is
if
we
can,
because
the
first
floor
is
12
feet.
G
And
the
the
building
program
itself
is,
you
know
because
of
the
water
table?
We
don't
really
have
any
underground
basement
or
solar.
G
So
the
first
floor,
as
you
can
see
here,
we
were
enter
the
parking
from
the
north
from
west
seneca
street,
we'll
we'll
have
approximately
50
parking
spaces
and
and
then
there
will
be
three
commercial
spaces
facing
west
state
street
between
the
state
street
diner
site
and
our
residential
lobby
entrance.
G
One
thing
we
try
to
do
is
design
the
floor
plans
of
the
apartments
as
efficiently
as
possible
to
minimize
wasted
space,
and
that
enables
our
client
to
you
know
achieve
efficiency,
and
you
know
produce
these
different
unit
types
that
they
feel
were
going
to
be
something
that
will
be
really
acceptable
in
the
market
in
this
area.
G
Another
thing
we're
doing
is,
in
addition
to
capturing
the
historic
feeling
of
the
building
on
the
corner,
we're
also
setting
back
above
that
so
that,
when
you're,
looking
at
the
project
from
the
intersection
of
north
corn
street
and
west
state
that
you'll
the
older
part,
the
way
we
want
to
capture,
it
will
become
a
dominant
element
on
the
corner.
F
G
Looking
forward
in
a
couple
weeks
to
showing
you
the
we
have
some
very
exciting
renderings
of
this
project
that
we
hope
you'll
appreciate
and
I
guess
that's
a
basic
introduction
to
our
project.
D
To
do
anything
next
couple
weeks,
other
than
see
an
overview,
what
you
just
did
would
be
sufficient,
although
I'm
excited
to
see
some
renderings
and
then
declare
ourselves
lead
agent,
which
is
trivial
and
then
we'll
be
sort
of
off
to
the
races.
With
the
you
know
the
approvals
process
from
there.
I
expect
this
to
be
pretty
visible
and
to
bring
people
out
and
support
and
opposition,
because
it's
just
big
enough.
D
So
that's
something
to
to
look
forward
to.
I
think
the
sides
that
face
north
so
that
parking
entrance
and
such
I
mean
that's,
going
to
be
something
to
really
get
right,
but
in
general
I
I,
I
think,
there's
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
positives
with
this
project.
It's
a
it's
a
good
use
of
this
site.
I,
like
that
you're
keeping
the
the
the
existing
building
sort
of
appearance
on
the
corner.
D
I
like
that
you've
got
parking
integrated
in
the
inside.
You
know
ground
floor
activation
is
going
to
be
tricky
for
you
on
various
facades
because
of
that
parking,
but
it's
definitely
going
to
be
something
that
the
board
will
be
looking
at.
So
you
know
the
pedestrian
experience
around
the
building
from
all
sides.
D
You
know
will
be
key
and
then
there's
probably
a
bunch
of
other
stuff.
I'm
not
thinking
about
that'll
it'll
come
up
as
important
as
we
go
through
this
process
mitch.
You
have
stuff.
D
C
It's
important
to
the
board,
it's
important
to
the
city
really
important
to
the
city
and
the
more
we
can.
You
know,
bend
this
kind
of
infill
housing
towards
affordability,
the
better
off
we'll
all
be
so.
I
really
would
like
the
development
team
to
consider
that
take
that
into
serious
consideration
when
you're
presenting
the
project.
D
Great,
I
think
that's
really
worth
doing,
and
then
let's
see
what
are
what
are
other
key
issues
for
this
to
put
on
their
radar
early.
Obviously,
you
know
the
whole
board's
going
to
get
a
chance
to
respond
in
a
couple
weeks.
B
Yeah,
I
think
visualizations
from
you
know
showing
the
context
I
mean
this
kind
of
does
because
you're
taking
almost
a
whole
block
but,
like
you
know
from
different,
you
know
interfaces
with
r3,
so
you
know
just
kind
of
show
how
this
looks
from
different
angles.
In
more
of
a
you
know,
visualization
way,
I
think
that's
going
to
be
important.
I
do
think
the
parking
is
really
important.
I
do
have
a
question
about
the
the
ground
floor
of
the
existing
building.
B
G
Exactly
it's
maybe
18
to
20
18,
inches
or
24
inches
above
the
sidewalk
level,
so
for
handicap,
accessibility,
we're
and
also
you
know,
to
help
people
from
the
sidewalk
to
be
able
to
gain
access
to
it.
We
do
intend
to
lower
that
down
to
grade
that's.
F
G
Yeah
and
then
also
you
know
we're
making
inside
the
building,
that's
going
to
become
our
kind
of
recreation
and
areas
for
the
residents
to
gather.
So
that's
another
reason
that
we
want
to.
You
know,
bring
it
down
to
grade
not
only
to
make
it
more
porous,
but
also
just
handicap.
Accessibility
requirements
dictate
that
that
should
needs
to
be
done.
B
G
B
I
I
have
to
say
I
really
like
you
know.
This
differs
from
other
projects
that
we've
seen
that
are
kind
of
like
you
know,
trying
to
consolidate
parcels
and
move
through
the
block.
In
that
there's
a
lot,
I
don't
really
see
blank
walls,
I
see
you
pulled
the
building
back
and
there's
windows
and
balconies
and
there's
a
lot
of
interest
on
the
facade
which
I
personally
appreciate
so.
F
C
Other
sorry,
all
right,
better.
G
Sorry,
I
was
just
gonna
make
a
point
about
the
state
street
facade,
and
one
thing
we
try
to
do
is
by
along
state
street.
So
we
have
these
brick
elements
that
create
kind
of
a
hierarchy
in
the
facade,
so
it
kind
of
breaks
down
the
larger
mass
into
smaller
building
elements
visually
and
then
also
on
the
north
side.
You
know
in
the
lower
drawing
you
can
see
that
the
part
that's
in
brick
that
is
dominant
there.
G
You
know
it's
also
lower
on
the
north
side,
but
also
we
have
a
rear
yard
aquarium
and
so
that
part
of
the
building
will
actually
be
set
back
from
the
property
line
about
ten
and
a
half
feet
and
in
terms
of
continuity,
state
street
typically
has
more
buildings
that
are
right
up
to
the
property
line
or
close
to
it.
Whereas
on
the
north
side
on
corn
street
I
mean
on
seneca
street,
you
really
the
buildings.
The
pattern
is
kind
of
more
in
and
out
so
in
that
sense,
we're
also
consistent
with
that
pattern.
D
E
C
Guess
it
would
be
that
you're
asking
for,
I
think,
a
series
of
diagrams
or
a
diagram
clearly
explaining
what
you're
asking
for
and
what
the
trade-off
is,
would
really
help
the
board.
Understand
that,
because
I
I
sort
of
get
a
sense
of
it.
But
I
think
everyone
needs
to
see
what
that
will
look
like
and
what.
F
D
E
F
E
D
Anybody
with
you
today
or
just
you,
I'm
here
awesome
tell
us
a
little
bit
about
what
we're
looking
at.
It
looks
like
we're
we're
going
for
preliminary
and
final.
H
The
attorneys
are
still
working
on
it.
I
met
personally,
I
met
with
them
the
other
day
and
told
them.
This
is
important
and
it
has
to
be
done
right
away,
so
they
promised
me
they
will
get
to
it
this
week
or
so,
and
the
next
drawing
you
know,
normally
a
demolition
plan
site
layout
plan.
Co
103
has
the
new
expanded
building
with
the
patio
in
the
back.
H
H
E
B
D
Recently,
the
feedback
had
been
fairly
positive.
I'm
thinking
in
the
context
of
the
the
subdivision
approval
this
seems
pretty
straightforward
to
me.
I
I
don't.
I
don't
anticipate
a
lot
of
issues
in
a
couple
weeks.
Lisa
is
there
anything
I'm
not
thinking
of.
H
E
One
yeah
yeah,
so
the
drawing
one.
B
And
you
know,
let
me
just
pull
this
up.
So
people
know
what
we're
talking
about.
Okay,
I'm
gonna
do
that
is
that
all
right,
yeah.
B
B
So
I
mean
we
probably
have
the
same
issue,
so
why
don't
you
go
ahead
mitch.
C
Yeah,
why
don't
you
get
to
the
image?
I
I
think
the
the
issue
here.
Jagged
is
the
retaining
wall
example.
Photograph
on
page
sheet,
1.04
is
kind
of
a
concrete
block.
C
H
C
And
I
think
we'd
really
like
to
see
the
retaining
wall
elevations
as
opposed
to
the
retaining
wall
example.
H
The
it
will
be
constructed
of
the
hearthstone
fieldwork,
not
the
union
block
retaining
wall.
We
just
at
that
time.
We
just
had
one
photograph
that
we
could
see,
but
in
reality
it
will
be
the
one
you
see
in
the
elevations.
C
Okay,
but
the
the
typical
wall
section
also
shows
the
the
concrete
block
so.
C
H
E
And
yeah.
E
That
was
what
I
was,
that
was
my
initial
and.
H
I
did
get
a
comment
from
a
city,
forester
yeah.
I
passed
it
on
to
the
landscape
guy
he's
working
out
of
the
out
of
town
this
week,
but
he
promised
me
to
email
that
he
will
look
into
it
and
I
think
I
do
recall
that
he
addressed
these
things
last
time
around,
but
he
will
regroup
and
and
and
give
you
give
a
new
response
to
that.
I.
H
Yeah
yeah,
he
I
looked
at
drawing
and
he
did
not
have
they
just
had
a
wise
drawing
on
this
side
plants,
so
I
will
have
that
this
week.
Okay,
so
with
his
comments
in
response
to
the
city
forester,
I
will
turn
in
the
new
drawings
incorporating
all
those
things
are.
F
C
C
B
H
The
the
elevation
drawing
and
the
material
details
are
the
same.
Nothing
has
changed.
The
floor
plan
was
extended.
As
you
recall,
we
made
the
floor
plans
wider
longer
in
the
stands
and
we
created
a
patio,
and
the
second
floor
now
looks
at
a
master
bedroom
with
his
own
bath.
So
it's
family
oriented
now
the
layout
and
then
we
have
and.
D
Yeah,
I
might
think
this
goes
smooth.
I
do
hope,
though
yeah,
I
think
especially.
H
H
D
The
retaining
whole
thing,
but
yeah
I
mean
I'm
hoping
that
this
is
not
a
not
a
controversial.
You
know
decision
that
we've
got
before
us
in
a.
A
D
Weeks,
I'm
hoping
it's
smooth
sailing.
E
D
Yeah,
it
wouldn't
have
to
be
long.
I
mean,
I
think,
five
minutes
to
do
it
just
sort
of
what
we're
about
to
make
might
just
sort
of
get
everybody
navigated.
B
We
can
do
that
or
you
can
do
that.
It's
up
to
you.
B
H
B
D
H
B
Okay,
so
I
see
ram
then
cat
lesson:
shell
and
david.
B
I
D
Hello,
so
the
last
time
we
all
got
together,
I
feel,
like
you,
guys,
got
fairly
positive
feedback
on
everything
you'd
shown
and
now
we're
looking
at
determination
of
environmental
significance
and
public
hearing.
I
say
I
haven't
seen
a
lot
of
negative
comments
in
my
email
about
this
project.
D
So
that's
a
good
sign
for
the
public
hearing.
I
hope
it
goes
as
smooth
in
person
as
it
has
an
email
thus
far,
and
then
I
don't
know
I
can't
bring
to
mind
any
outstanding
issues
for
seeker,
but
we'll
go
through
the
part
three
and
we'll
see
if
we
see
anything
concerning
in
the
meeting
and
are
there
any
issues
that
are
top
of
mind
for
you
guys
that
you
guys
are
at
all
concerned
about
going
into
this.
I
I
I
We've
reduced
it
a
little
bit
within
the
courtyard
of
the
building,
but
for
the
most
part,
we're
still
looking
at
replacing
the
storm
water,
piping
and
many
other
trees
around
the
building
because
of
facade
improvements
or
because
the
storm
water
piping
itself
needs
to
be
replaced.
So
that
challenge
just
remains
and
you'll
hear
more
about
it.
I
When
we
get
ready
for
the
the
next
round
of
meetings,
not
july,
but
the
round
after.
D
Reasonable,
I
mean
the
fact
that,
even
with
the
worst
case
scenario,
you're
not
doing
worse
than
what
you
said
you
were
going
to
do
to
me
is
is
a
level
of
comfort.
You
know,
I
suppose
it's
all
in
your
framing.
I
Yeah
we
have
an
arborist
who
has
been
really
involved
in
coordinating
with
our
contractor
the
pre-construction
contractor
to
figure.
I
You
know
what
the
site
storm
design
is,
and
it's
been
a
good
collaboration
but
challenging
to
try
and
salvage
things.
But
it's
going
well
and
we
do
have
a
replacement
plan
in
the
works
for
many
of
the
trees
that
are
that
are
needing
to
be
cut.
We're
needing
we're,
also
planning
to
replace
them.
D
Great
lisa
mitch:
do
you
guys
have
any
questions
or
feedback
or
concerns
on
this?
I
see
you
not
lisa.
B
Well,
the
only
outstanding
item
I
can
think
of
is
the
windows.
I
don't
know
where
you
landed
on
those.
I
know
emily
asked
for
information
about
energy
efficiency
or
performance
data
or
whatever,
but
that
sort
of
has
to
be.
We
need
more
information.
I
think
the
board
needs
more
information
in
order
to
you
know
state
why
you
know
to
right:
they
just
need
more
information.
I
So
the
windows,
what
we're
doing
as
a
as
a
overall
project
team
is
testing
out
multiple
samples,
so
we're
getting
certain
windows
installed
in
the
building
so
that
we
can
evaluate
it
both
for
sight
lines
and
for
constructability.
Many
of
them
have
various
profiles
and
various
lead
time
issues
and
performance,
wise
energy
performance,
wise.
They
are
very
similar.
They
all
meet
the
code
requirements,
they're
all
double
pane,
glass
and
they're,
all
thermally
broken
so
they're,
very
alike.
I
If
you
need
more
information
than
that
from
individual
manufacturers,
I
can
certainly
share
that
with
you,
but
when
it
comes
down
to
the
actual
construction,
it's
going
to
depend
on
which
contractor
selects,
which
window
our
specs
are
not
proprietary
by
any
means
they're
just
going
to
be
a
performance
spec.
So.
C
And
I
I
guess
my
concern
that
I
expressed
last
time
is
just
making
sure
that
aesthetically
they
match
the
historic
existing
window
profiles
as
much
as
possible
closely
as
possible,
because
I
think
we've
gotten
some
feedback
about
that.
And
I
think
that.
F
C
Me
is,
is,
is
probably
more
of
an
issue
than
the
energy.
I
know
the
energy
is
important,
but
if
they're
all,
if
you're
telling
me
that
they're
all
similar
telling
us
that
they're
all
similar
to
me,
it's
the
the
width
and
the
color
and
the
you
know
getting
that
right
for
the
historic
character
of
the
building.
I
So
any
aluminum
window
that
goes
on
the
building
will
be
compared
in
our
mind
to
a
replacement
steel
window
profile
and
we're
able
to
find
aluminum
window
profiles
that
are
very,
very
close
to
that
replacement
steel
window
profiles,
but.
C
Why
can't
the?
Why
can't
you
match
the
the
original
width
of
the
of
the
mullions?
I
suppose
is
that
is
there
an
issue
with
that.
I
I
I
Don't
quote
me
on
this
and
I
don't
remember
the
numbers,
but
I
think
the
replacement
steel
windows
are
two
and
a
half
inches.
If
I
remember
right
and
the
aluminum
windows
might
be
two
and
five
eighths,
two
and
three
quarters
at
the
smallest
dimension
at
the
greatest
dimension,
they
do
go
up
to
three
inches.
So
our
effort
is
to
try
and
target
the
smallest
dimension
without
narrowing
our
overall
bid
package
to
a
proprietary
spec
which
really.
J
I
So
if
it's
helpful,
I
can,
I
can
certainly
share
with
you
a
comparison
of
dimensions
so
that
you
get
a
sense
for
the
existing.
You
know
replacement
steel
window
and
what
a
replacement
aluminum
window-
that's
essentially
a
steel
replica
window
and
all
the
manufacturers
now
have
a
separate
line
that
has
a
steel
replica
window.
They
match
the
similar
profiles,
but
when
it
comes
to
sight
lines
in
order
to
meet
energy
requirements
or
thermally,
broken
frames
all
of
these
requirements
and
to
accommodate
a
you
know:
double
pane
glass.
I
So
what
we're
doing
is
getting
samples
from,
I
believe
three
window
manufacturers
installing
them
in
the
building
and
comparing
them
and
also
comparing
them
against
the
existing
windows.
So.
B
Do
you
have
an
image
like
you
know?
I
think
I
think
that
having
a
dimensions,
a
dimensional
like
comparison
would
be
visual
would
be
really
helpful
because
we
really
haven't
really
we've
just
been
talking
about
it.
We
haven't
seen
anything
and
since
you're
doing
this
test,
it
would
be
great
to
have
three.
B
I
I
think
that's
doable.
I
think
our
schedule
is
impacted
at
the
moment
a
little
bit
in
terms
of
seeking
the
final
approval
because
of
the
window,
installation
we're
expecting
to
submit
any
updates
to
our
site
plan
review
package
in
the
middle
of
august
and
then
seeking
both
preliminary
and
final
in
september.
I
We
could
get
preliminary,
for
example,
in
august
and
then
final
in
september,
but
we're
looking
at
getting
the
window
information
out
to
you
in
mid-august
time
frame
in
an
updated
package,
along
with
the
updates
for
tree
preservation
and
storm
water,
pipe
scope,
changes.
D
D
I
B
Yeah-
and
I
think
you
know
just
in
terms
of
your
schedule-
I
I
think
for
a
project
like
this
preliminary
and
final
in
the
same
meeting
is
normal
and
I'm
sure
the
board
would
appreciate
you
waiting
for
one
meeting
to
do
that,
because
they're
so
busy.
D
I
F
I
Yeah
I
mean,
I
think,
somebody
clear
you
just
so
I'm
clear
the
meeting
that's
coming
up
in
a
couple
weeks.
Are
you
saying
that
the
seeker
determination
would
be
delayed
or.
D
I
don't
know
if
it
will
be
delayed
to
me.
It's
a
slam
dunk
if
you
can
just
tidy
up
the
window
issue,
because
I
feel
like
a
lot
of
the
issues
in
seeker
in
this
project
are
about
the
tension
between
historical
resources
and
green
goals
and
because
so
much
of
that's
tied
up
in
the
windows.
If
you
can
really
lay
out
where
you
are
so
that
the
board
can
wrap
their
head
around
the
energy
and
aesthetic
impacts,
then
I
think
seeker
is
a
lot
simpler.
B
Yeah,
I
mean,
I
think
you
just
you
know
what
you
just
said
about
testing
the
windows
and
going
through
this
whole
methodology.
If
you
could,
just
you
know,
send
a
paragraph
and
describe
that
to
the
board,
then
they
can
hold
the
final
decision
for
final
site
plan.
When
you
have
more
information,
sounds
good.
D
D
All
right
anything
else
for
this
project
mitch
lisa
all
right.
Well,
thanks
guys.
I
hope
it
is.
You
know,
smooth
sailing
in
a
couple
weeks.
D
All
righty
so
we're
looking
at
preliminary
and
final
on
this.
It's
about
time
to
get
you
guys
out
the
door,
yep
will
say-
or
I
guess,
jerry's
coming
in.
D
Welcome
so
I
was
just
saying
it's
great
that
you
guys
are
are
looking
at
the
home
stretch
of
this
glad
that
we're
we're
nearing
the
finish
line
before
as
we're
going
into
preliminary
and
final.
Do
you
have
any
concerns
or
issues
that
you
think
might
throw
a
hiccup
into
the
rent?
You
know,
and
then
the
mix
here
in
the
next
couple
weeks
any
outstanding
issues
on
your
end.
K
I
I
don't
think
so
I
mean
you
know
nice
egg.
We
still
don't
have
any
information
on
on
power,
how
we're
getting
the
power
run,
but
we
feel
that's
just
a
technical
issue.
If
that
doesn't
work
out,
there's
no
project
right
so
other
than
that
you
know,
I
think
the
building
design.
K
You
know
there
were
some
comments
from
past
board
meetings,
so
you
know
I'm
playing
around
with
that
a
little
bit
but-
and
I'm
not
sure
if
you'd
like
to
see
a
new
submission
like
say
next
week,
just
so
there's
a
little
time
to.
D
What's
changed
between
now
and
the
last
submission.
K
I
was
just
playing
around
with
the
color
I
you
know.
I
know
there
was
some
question
about
the
liking,
the
the
contrasting
filler
panel,
between
the
columns.
K
This
the
stair
towers
would
be
more
of
a
would
be
the
we're
planning
the
metal
panel.
But
in
this
limestone
look
it's
kind
of
a
textured
stone
finish
on
the
the
metal
panel
insulated
metal
panel,
but
you
would
see
joints.
So
if
you
look
at
the
dark
here,
you
know
that's
a
panel
size,
so
that
would
be
have
some
accent
lines
on.
D
Yeah,
so
for
that
level
of
change
we
definitely
want
a
new
submission.
Just
so
everybody
can
see
it.
K
Yeah
well
and
I
haven't
jerry,
and
I
need
to
talk
because
you
know
we're
still.
You
know
this
is
where
we're
at
we
were
kind
of
liking.
The
idea
that,
once
you
got
above
a
certain
level,
we
change
over
for
a
cost
reasons
to
just
the
insulated
metal
metal
panel.
It's
doing
a
lot
of
work
for
us
in
terms
of
thermal.
K
Capabilities
and
it's
finished
on
the
outside,
so
the
brick
walls
actually
have
a
raw
insulated
metal
panel
behind
it.
I'm
trying
to
use
that
same
system.
So
wherever
we
put
brick
it's
just
it's
added
cost,
so
I
might
bring
the
columns
up,
but
I
think
jerry-
and
you
tell
me
what
you're
thinking
now
that
you're
comparing
this
to
this
look,
do
you
want
to
stick
with
the
the
brick.
J
I
think
I
like
that.
I,
like
the
look
of
this
this
I
think
just
smartens
it
up
a
little
bit.
I
I
I
think
this
is.
This
is
going
in
a
good
direction.
My
opinion
yeah.
K
Okay,
well,
so
then
we'll
make
a
new
new
submission
on
on
aesthetics
really,
but
other
than
that,
I
know
there
were
some
comments.
You
know
about
some
covered
bike
parking.
We
were
thinking
about,
maybe
adding
it
to
the
end
of
the
the
dumpster
area
here,
just
because
we're
building
a
a
structure
and
then
there
is
some
garage
space
here,
that's
currently
used
or
can
be
used
as
or
is
used
as
bike
parking.
K
The
new
building
here
does
not
have
a
space
as
of
yet
a
lot
of
things
are
sort
of
up
in
the
air.
With
with
what's
really
going
to
happen
with
this
project,
you
know
with
cove
at
19
and
all
so
you
know
the
project's
delayed
further
jerry.
I
think
it's
fair
to
say
we're
at
best
we're
looking
more
at
a
spring
start.
J
K
So
you
know
we'll
we
might
be
back,
but
we'll
give
you
a
submission
to
to
sign
off
on
other
than
that.
I
think
you
know
there
were
some
deer
resistant
comments.
You
know
that
will
will
address
up
lighting
in
the
ornamental
trees,
we'll
we'll
change
that
to
down
lighting
or
or
maybe
even.
J
K
Correct
yeah
psd
we're
really
looking
at
at
doing
that
this
year,
so
that's
kind
of
a
reversal
of
how
the
the
project
description
is
listed,
so
this
was
kind
of
listed
as
a
as
a
phase
two,
it's
really
all
phase
one,
but
now
with
covet
it
is
kind
of
changing
it.
So
and
this
design
is
pretty
really
working.
You
know
the
bump
out.
The
addition
here
is
based
on
the
original
aesthetic.
So
these
lights
should
be
the
dark
bronze,
but.
D
Well,
I
think
it's
worth
sort
of
planning
for
a
brief
presentation
about
not
only
the
aesthetic
changes,
but
you
know
the
phasing
changes
so
to
speak.
Just
so
we
can
understand
where
you're
at
I
mean
I
get
that
it's
a
weird
time,
but
I
think
that'll
help
the
board
sort
of
understand,
what's
happening
as
we're
we're
going
through
closing
out
this
project,
and
I
wanted
to
check
in
with
mitch
for
any
feedback
on
the
aesthetic
changes.
C
I'm
good
with
it.
I
think
it's
fine,
interesting
direction,
yeah,
fair
enough.
D
I
like
it,
you
know,
I
I
feel
like
you,
never,
I
I
don't
ever
know
sort
of
sort
of
what
the
feedback's
going
to
be
on
architecture
from
the
board.
I
definitely
feel
like
one
of
the
less
architecturally
educated
members,
but
I
mean
to
me
this
is
a
is
a
neat
building,
and
so
I
I'm
hoping
that
everything's,
you
know
tidy
and
and
and
ready
to
go
this
this
final
meeting
and
that
you
get
all
your
approvals
yeah.
J
Well,
we're
trying
to
we're
trying
to
catch
that
warehouse.
He
feel
down
there
and-
and
I
think
everything
that's
everything
that's
going
to
go
up
around
this
is,
I
think,
is
going
to
be
somewhat.
You
know
really
quite
a
bit
different,
but
this
parcel
has
always
had
this
industrial
feel
to
it.
So
it's
why
I
like
this
and
what
the
changes
jason
has
made,
because
it
does
you
know.
Even
it
does
evoke
that
sort
of
warehouse.
You
look
even
a
little
bit
more.
D
I
agree
with
you
I'll
say
that
working
in
tension
with
your
warehousey
housing
look
is
is
the
size
of
those
residential
windows.
D
I
mean,
I
think
I
think
if
they
were
a
little
bit
bigger,
I
think
you'd
really
sell
the
warehouse.
Look
in
a
way
that
you're
not
quite
there
yet.
But
I
also
think
that
you
know
every
project
has
cost
constraints,
and
I
I
get
I
get
why
you
have
residential
size
windows
in
a
residential
project.
So
you
know.
J
D
There's
an
opportunity
to
sell
it
more
than
you're
selling
it
with
the
window
selection.
Okay,
but
that
said
you
know
it's
a
handsome
building.
I
I
hope
it
goes
smoothly
in
a
couple
weeks.
Lisa
mitch,
do
you
have
any
concerns
on
this
that
that
we
haven't
talked
about
today.
J
J
For
you,
guys
that
jason
and
I
were
have
been
talking
about-
and
that
is
and
there's
nothing
for
you
guys
to
decide
on
it's
just
maybe
you
can
give
us
some
direction.
Is
the
you
know,
coordination
with
the
you
know
the
bridge
project
and
the
road
project
that's
happening
down
there.
You
know
in
terms
of
not
wanting
them
to
put
things
in
that
are
just
going
to
become
undone
as
we
put
in
new
sidewalk
or
new
curb
cuts,
and
things
like
that.
J
B
Yeah,
I
think
you
would
coordinate
directly
with
him
he's
out
of
the
office
this
week,
but
I
would
definitely
coordinate
directly
with
him.
J
K
K
Up
wider
than
what
we
proposed
so
we're
not
sure
what
the
curve
cut
over
here
whoops.
You
know
that
went
in
according
to
the
drawings,
but
we
did
narrow
it
a
little
bit.
So
we
we
might
have
to
move
some
curbs
around,
but
that's.
K
B
K
D
B
Okay,
well
then,
yeah
I
mean
tim's
not
there,
but
maybe
we
can
reach
out
to
eric
and
adiso
and
copy
tim
today
and
just
talk
about
this.
B
Don't
we
all
do
it
together?
Why
don't
I
send
the
email
and
you
and
I'll
copy
you
and
then
we
can
just
you
know.
K
E
D
F
D
Well,
it
sounds
like
there's
some
some
interface
there
to
to
work
out
and
I'm
glad
lisa's
going
to
be
helping
you
with
that
and
that
maybe,
as
far
as
I
can
tell,
is
it
for
this
project
today
you
know
as
far
as
planning
board,
okay.
K
B
E
F
B
B
Project
memo
I
mean
it's
burn:
dairy
declaration
of
lead
agency,
public
hearing
state
street
declaration
of
lead
agency,
presentation,
hudson
street
preliminary
final
falch
public
hearing
seeker.
B
215
east
state,
I
think
we'll
just
continue
on
their.
You
know
the
development
of
their
seeker
document,
as
will
with
hysteria.
A
lot
of
things
should
get
answered
tonight.
I
think,
or
more
questions
could
come
up
tonight.
B
Street
preliminary
final,
I
don't
know
about
city
center
and
carpenter
circle.
I
don't
believe
they're,
probably
coming
back,
we've
run
into
another
sort
of
roadblock
with
dot
that
we
have
to
sort
out
before
we
can
move
to
final
approval
and
really
struggling
with
how
to
do
that.
Help
them
with
that,
but
hopefully
we'll
just
we'll
figure
it
out.
B
So
d.o.t
came
up
with
a
counter
proposal
of
all
these
changes
to
buffalo
street
to
improve
traffic
flow
in
the
whole
west
end
and
they're,
saying
it's
required
mitigation
for
these
projects,
but
it
will
take
months
to
figure
out
what
what
like
layout.
We
want
of
these
proposed
changes
that
they're,
saying
or
mitigation
and
then
there's
issue
of
who
is
supposed
to
pay
for
them
because
they're
like
a
half
mile
from
these
projects,
so
yeah
so
yeah,
so
we
just
need
to
keep
well.
I.
B
Not
happy
and
yeah
so
yeah.
B
Yeah,
I
think
it'll
be
your.
You
know
your
average
longish
agenda,
but
not
brutal
unless
they
come
back,
which
I
don't
I
don't
know.
B
Yeah
manageable
yeah,
I
did
we
did.
I
did
have
a
meeting
yesterday
with
ithaca
housing
authority
and
there
they
are
on
their
north
side
project
they're
going
to
re.
Do
the
whole
project
rebuild
the
whole
project,
so
that
should
be
coming
next
month.
That
would
be.
B
B
It's
a
it's
a
housing
authority
on
it's
on
hancock,
it's
two
sites
on
either
side
of
the
street
on
like
hancock,
fourth
and
fifth
street
and
madison.
They
will
it's
a
older
housing
development
and
they're
going
to
rebuild
it.
B
F
D
So
that's
exciting
yeah
yeah
yeah
those
things
improved.
Oh.
E
D
Of
course,
I
won't
be
there
tonight.
Do
we
want
to
try
to
pick
up
some
of
the
diversity
stuff
in
the
new
business
section
of
the
meeting
in
a
couple
weeks,
and
if
so,
how
do
we
want
to
structure
that.
C
I
think
it
might
just
be
nice
if
you
know
we
stated
that
we've
met
yeah,
that
we're
talking
about
these
issues,
and
you
know
if
there
are
some
notes
that
could
be
distributed.
C
C
D
I
think
it's
reasonable,
you
know
I'll
read
those
notes
and
I'll
touch
base
with
you
lisa
to
see,
if
there's
any
sort
of
direction
that
I
could.
I
could
help
with
this
chair
to
sort
of
make
that
productive
sort
of
at
the
tail
end
of
the
meeting,
yeah.
Okay,
that
seems
good.