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C
B
All
right,
so
we
are
meeting
today
as
the
project
review
committee
of
the
planning
and
development
board
of
the
city
of
ithaca,
we'll
go
ahead
and
introduce
ourselves
to
start.
I'm
rob
lewis
your
chair,
elizabeth.
C
I'm
lisa
nicholas
I'm,
the
deputy
director
of
planning
and
staff
to
the
planning
board
and
cj
is
joining
us
great.
D
B
Great
lisa,
if
you
would,
what
comes
first.
C
So
it
is
a
special
permit
for
office
use
in
the
ru
district,
michael
stewart,
from
cornell
university.
I
see
him
in
the
waiting
room,
so
I'm
going
to
let
him
in
I
know
elizabeth
is
going
to
recuse
herself.
I
need
to
recuse
me,
you
could
just
yeah.
You
can
just
turn
off
your
camera
and
meet
yourself.
I
don't
think
you
need
to
actually
leave
the
meeting
because
there's
no
voting
happening.
B
All
right,
lisa
you'll,
let
in
the
applicant
all
right.
E
B
Great
we're
glad
to
have
garrick
here,
michael
when
you're
ready,
just
introduce
yourself
and
tell
us
a
little
bit
about
your
project.
E
B
E
So
before
I
get
too
far
in,
I
had
a
meeting
internal
meeting
with
cornell
yesterday
and
they
asked
me
about
the
feaf
and
I
looked
back
at
the
dates
and
I
realized.
I
did
not
get
that
to
you
on
wednesday
and
I
was
supposed
to
get
it
to
you
on
wednesday.
C
Let's
we
don't
need
to
worry
about
that.
What
mike
is
talking
about
is
he
submitted
a
short
form,
but
because
this
project
is
in
a
historic
district,
it
requires
a
long
form,
because
that
makes
it
under
city
regulations
that
makes
it
a
type
one
action,
so
that
will
be
for
we'll
have
that
all
set
up
for
the
next.
D
E
Okay,
so
the
the
project
itself,
so
we
have
thurston
court
apartments
and
those
were
graduate
student
apartments
and
I
think
about
two
years
ago
it
was
identified
that
the
mechanical
ventilation
system
was
inadequate.
E
So,
as
as
you
can
imagine,
every
apartment
had
its
own
bathroom
and
the
the
ventilation
that
was
provided
did
not
meet
the
property
maintenance
code
and
to
fix
it
would
cost
a
very
large
amount
of
money
and
it
was
completely
disproportionate
to
what
we
could
ever
earn
back.
You
know
what
we
would
net
on
the
apartments.
So
there's
like
a
structural
imbalance
for
that
property
and
at
the
same
time
we
have
balch
hall,
which
is
going
down
for
renovations,
which
houses
a
lot
of
student
campus
life,
support
offices.
E
And
that's
when
you
know
the
so,
the
apartments
have
been
vacated
for
the
past
academic
year
and
we're
seeking
a
special
permit
for
the
reu
district
to
use
as
administrative
support
offices
for
the
for
the
building
and
that
that
necessarily
requires
the
special
permit.
So
that's
that's
what
we're
seeking
to
do
as
far
as
physical
changes
to
the
building
we're
we're
not
obliged
to
make
any.
We
are
seeking
and
we're
about
to
put
in
the
full
application
for
ilpc
review
for
a
ramp
on
the
west
side
of
the
building.
E
Just
you
know
it's.
We
can
do
the
change
of
use
under
the
building
code,
but
for
you
know,
civil
law
and
also
to
try
to
do
the
right
thing.
So
if
you
have
visitors
that
are
coming
to
the
building
to
meet
with
people
there
or
also
if
we
make
hires
to
accommodate
people,
we
want
to
provide
ada
access
to
the
first
floor.
E
B
E
E
You
so
the-
and
you
know,
let's,
if,
for
whatever
reason,
if
ilpc
takes
a
lot
of
umbrage
at
the
idea
of
adding
the
ramp,
we
we've
been
working
with
brian
the
whole
time.
You
know,
we've
been
designing
this
and
he's
supportive
of
what
we're
proposing
is
reasonable,
but
if
they
took
great
umbrage
we
can
still
occupy
the
building
and
and
use
it
for
what
we
want
to
without
a
ramp
like
it's,
not
it's
not
make
or
break
for
the
change
of
use.
E
It's
just
the
right.
You
know
we're
viewing
it
as
the
right
thing
to
do,
and
we're
trying
to
do
that
and
the
the
interior
renovations
are
pretty
minimal.
We're
decommissioning
a
bunch
of
bathrooms,
so
you
know
thanks
to
kovid,
we're
we're
not
spending
a
lot
on
the
interior
reno.
So
if
we're
taking
it
pretty
close
to,
as
is.
C
E
E
We'd
basically
be
doing
what
people
who
who
work
in
bulge
do
now,
which
is
you
you
use
a
lot.
You
use
clara
dixon
lot
or
the
anacomstock
lot
and
you
walk
right.
So.
B
Reasonable
enough,
so
I
think
that
might
do
it.
I
think
unless
there's
any
other
questions
or
comments,
that's
all
we
need
from
you
today.
You
know
on
best
of
luck
and
a
couple
weeks
when
you're
at
the
main
meeting.
C
All
right,
I
do
see
the
next
project
in
the
waiting
room.
It's
405
elmira
road,
which
is
a
proposal
to
build
a
kentucky,
fried
chicken.
G
I
see
rich
wilkinson
is
on
yeah
and
that's
probably
yeah.
I
don't
think
anybody
else
from
kvp
is
going
to
be
joining
us:
okay,
okay,
okay,
everybody
from
the
city
here.
G
You
can
introduce.
G
Sure,
adam
fishel
marathon
engineering
civil
engineer
for
this
project.
This
is
for
the
kfc
drive-through
restaurant
proposed
at
405
elmira
road
here
in
the
city.
We
have
you'll
be
getting
some
revised
plans
here
this
morning,
lisa
hard
copies
for
this
upcoming
planning
board
meeting
and
what
we've
done
is
responded
to
the
pr.
The
original
prc
comments,
the
town
engineer
comments
and,
as
well
as
the
verbal
comments
that
we
received
from
the
planning
board
at
the
last
meeting,
you.
G
So
I
guess
I'll
start
with
the
easy
one.
The
planner
board
asks
for
some
3d
perspectives
of
the
site
showing
the
building.
You
know.
Here's
here's
the
front
view
coming
in
off
in
in
the
main
entrance
there
again
the
red
and
white
facade
some
plantings,
there's
the
patio,
here's
an
outbound
view.
So,
if
you're
heading
out
of
town
there's
the
kfc
building
and
then,
if
you're,
coming
inbound,
here's
here's
the
building
here
we
have
the
sign
also
rendered.
G
There,
okay,
civils,
really
there's
there
are
only
a
few
minor
updates
on
the
civil
plans.
We
added
a
raised
concrete
median
here
with
with
what's
called
a
traversable
curb,
so
that
trucks
and
plows
can
not
do
a
lot
of
damage
to
themselves.
If
they,
if
they
roll
up
and
over
the
curb
there,
it's
not
going
to
be
landscaped,
it's
too
small.
I
think
it's
just
going
to
get
run
over.
G
G
So
right
here
between
the
edge
of
the
patio
and
kind
of
providing
some
visual
buffer
between
the
patrons
there
on
the
patio
and
passerbys
and
vehicles
on
elmira
road,
what
I
didn't
want
to
do
is
put
up
a
fence
or
a
taller.
You
know
juniper
screen
shrub,
because
you're
going
to
have
line
of
sight
issues
here
at
the
stop
sign.
G
So
what
I'm
offering
is
you
know,
somewhere
in
the
range
of
a
30,
dime
30
inch
diameter
planter
with
some
seasonal
plantings
to
be
put
in
it
and
with
a
max
height
of
about
48
inches
off
the
patio
so
providing
some
buffering,
but
also
trying
to
still
maintain
that
line
of
sight
ability
there
for
a
car
stopped
at
the
stop
sign
to
be
able
to
see
any
oncoming
traffic
from
the
plaza
okay.
We
looked
at
the
potential
connection
from
the
stairs
back
here
to
the
rail
trail.
G
G
So
we
don't
think
it's
very
practical
to
to
try
to
extend
you
know
120
feet
of
sidewalk,
but
then
also
have
to
raise
it
eight
to
ten
feet
to
get
up
to
the
rail
trail
over
here.
One
thing
you
know
rich
and
his
team
is
is
open
to
doing
is
extending
the
sidewalk
about
50
feet
this
way
to
the
east,
where
it
comes
in
the
dead
ends
at
the
spencer
road
roadway.
G
G
I
Yeah
and
it
really
comes
down
to
trying
to
get
that
10
feet
of
going
the
other
direction,
10
feet
of
fall,
and
you
got
the
hill
she's.
I
I
would
imagine
we'd
have
to
put
some
sort
of
hand
rail
on
it
because
of
the
steepness
of
it
right
and
then
you
know
making
sure
that
it
meets
whatever
ada
guidelines
are
out
of
that.
It
could
probably
end
up.
Looking
like,
like
you,
were
getting
on
a
ride
at
an
amusement
park,
because
it
would
have
had
to
have
all
kinds.
I
C
I
Yeah,
we'll
definitely
we'll
definitely
do
our
part,
because
I
think
it
would
be
a
great
idea
to
connect
everything
for
people
to
get.
You
know
down
from
the
rail
trail.
They
could
stop
it.
You
know
our
facility
or
the
shopping
center
or
you
know
even
make
their
way
to
the
amphitheater.
If
there
was
something
going
on
that
particular
night
as
they
were
out
walking
around
the
trail.
G
So
I
think
that's
the
long
and
short
of
the
the
main
prc,
planning
board
and
engineering
comments.
The
one
comment
that
you
know
that
we
were
already
well
aware
of
lisa-
and
you
you
forwarded
on
to
me-
was
the
the
council,
the
the
attorney
for
the
buttermilk
plaza,
which
is
next
door
to
us,
they're
they're
concerned
about
the
I
guess
backing
up.
We
are
relocating
their
288
spaces
that
that
were
right
here
to
be
out
in
front
to
help.
G
You
know
with
their
compliance
and
and
also
not
be
in
conflict
with
this
project,
but
it's
it
is
re.
It
is
resulting
in
a
slight
reduction
in
their
parking,
so
rightfully
so
they're
concerned
about
hey
is
that
reduction
in
parking
going
to
cause
a
code
violation?
So
I
don't
think
the
plaza
personally
was
based,
on
my
analysis,
code,
compliance
to
begin
with
from
parking
perspective,
but
we're
working
with
megan
wilson
to
also
get
the
city's
ruling
on
that,
so
that
we
can
go
back
to
their
attorney
and
their
team
iron.
G
This
all
out,
I
think
things
are
going
in
the
right
direction.
It's
just
a
matter
of
them
approving
what
we're
doing,
and
you
know
also
confirming
whether
or
not
this
is
going
to
be.
You
know
a
code
violation
and
what
we
have
to
do
to
you
know
to
address
that.
C
A
G
Yep,
I
think,
that's
understood
if
we
could,
if
possible,
keep
seeker
moving.
I
think
that
would
be
beneficial,
but
I
certainly
understand
that
this.
Obviously
the
relocation
of
those
two
spaces
are
integral
to
this
project.
If
we
can't
get
their
their
buy-in
to
do
it,
then
we
have
to
revisit
you
know.
I
Just
to
give
the
board
a
an
idea
of
what's
what's
going
on
here,
apparently
the
the
original
owner
of
the
shopping
center
that
sold
that
is
selling
us
our
parcel
and
sold
the
shopping
center
portion
of
the
parcel.
I
There
was
an
easement
that
said
that
there
would
be
two
handicapped
spots
for
use
by
the
buttermilk
plaza
on
this
particular
site.
You
know
they
could
conceivably
use
our
two-speed.
It
doesn't
give
a
location
or
anything
and
that's
why,
with
this
plan,
we,
you
know,
we
went
back
and
said:
hey
look
the
two
that
you
had
there
currently
don't
meet
ada.
I
Why
don't
we
do
what
we're
showing
here
on
this
plan
the
existing
owner
of
the
shopping
center,
I'm
paying
for
for
all
of
the
work,
so
they
don't
have
to
do
any
of
the
work.
I
The
existing
owner
of
the
shopping
center
or
the
prior
owner
of
the
shopping
center
was
paying
him
for
the
easement
rights
and
the
attorney
that
he
has
has
gone
back
and
forth
with
us,
because
there's
a
a
lack
of
knowledge
on
how
to
read
plans
so
the
the
neighboring
owner
has
has
he
thought
he
had
182
parking
spots,
but
that
was
like
a
plan
that
said,
you
know
our
when
the
whole
thing
was
redeveloped,
which
would
have
been
the
tim
hortons
our
site
and
the
plaza
site,
it
would
have
had
182
parking
spots.
I
C
B
Yeah,
I
think
that's
fine,
so
yeah
I
mean
we
are
limited
in
what
we
can
do.
It
sounds
like
until
this
is
resolved
because.
D
B
Places
to
be
buttoned
up
to
be
part
of
the
plan
for
us
to
approve
it,
so
hopefully
that's
buttoned
up
by
the
time
we
see
each
other
next
and
then.
C
C
C
Between
property
owners,
it
affects
your
approvals,
you
know
I
and
it's
my
so
I
don't.
I
don't.
B
Sure
well,
so,
let's
leave
that
there,
that's
not
our
that's,
not
our
jurisdiction.
You
know
we're
limited
in
what
we
can
do
and
we
don't
have
any
anything
about
it
say
in
terms
of
what
we
can
do.
I
think
that
you
know.
I
appreciate
you
responding
to
the
comments
and
I
you
know,
let's,
let's
go
around
the
room
and
see
if
there's
any
feedback
on
that
cj.
Can
we
start
with
you.
D
Yeah
thanks
for
working
with
parks
and
it
seems
to
be
coming
along
nicely.
I
hope
you
can
work
this
out
with
the
neighboring
property.
A
A
That
dark
one,
no,
the
horizontal
one
yeah.
What
is
that.
G
A
B
I
think
rob
all
right
so
yeah
I
mean
I
think
this
is
coming
along.
You
know,
similarly
to
what
people
were
asking
for.
Last
time
we
met.
Assuming
that
you
know
your
ducks
are
in
a
row
on
the
other
parts.
I
don't
expect
anything
difficult
to
come
up
during
seeker
in
a
couple
weeks.
Lisa
is
there
anything
else
we
should
be
talking
about
on
this
project.
C
C
B
Doing
fine
is
anybody
else
with
you
today.
B
B
Well,
tell
us
a
little
bit.
Introduce
yourself
tell
us
a
little
about
anything,
that's
different!
Since
the
last
time
we
saw
you.
K
This
is
my
name,
is
francis
gorman,
I'm
the
attorney
for
the
applicant,
and
there
have
been
no
changes.
Since
we
made
our
initial
presentation
back
in
march,
we
received
a
negative
declaration
and
no
changes,
since
we
received
our
variances
on
april
6th
and
no
changes.
Since
the
preliminary
subdivision
approval
we
received
on
april
27th.
B
All
right
anything
that
you
want
to
present
new
or
at
all
today,
nothing
new
great
that
makes
it
simple.
So
this
I
thought
was
pretty
cut
and
dried
last
month.
I
think
the
only
reason
you
didn't
get
final
approval
is
because
we
weren't
allowed
to
give
it
lisa.
Is
there
anything
we
need
to
check
in
on
on
this
today?.
C
Well
so,
for
instance,
I
have
talked
about
this
a
lot
there's,
there
will
be
a
condition
as
of
right
now
there
will
be
a
condition
on
the
final
approval
to
install
dumpster
enclosures
around
the
property,
because
that
property's
been
out
of
compliance
with
zoning
and
the
southwest
design
guidelines
for
decades
or
well,
at
least
since
I've
been
here-
that's
maybe
not
decades,
but
at
least
two
decades
almost
two
days,
so
we're
working
with
them
on
that
and
we
have
talked
about
you
know
what
the
cut-off
point
should
be.
C
Should
it
be
construction
installation
of
the
of
the
dumpster
enclosures,
or
can
it
be
something
different
I'll
look
into
that
for
the
next
meeting,
but
as
it
is
now
there
is,
that
will
be
continues
to
be
a
condition.
B
That
seems
fine
any
questions
or
comments
from
the
board
on
this
all
right.
Well,
I
appreciate
you
making
the
meeting,
but
we
might
not
need
anything
else
for
me
today.
I
hope
it's
simple
in
a
couple
weeks,
yeah.
K
B
K
J
B
C
The
people
as
the
next
project
is
321
tiganic,
preliminary
and
final
approval
this
month
and
link
and
craig
motorshire
are
in
the
waiting
room.
So
I'm
letting
them
in.
C
I
C
C
L
Craig
mosher,
with
stream
collaborative
and
link
morris,
the
owner
of
the
property,
is
on
the
meeting
as
well.
We
don't
really
have
anything
new
to
present.
We
did
get
the
variances
from
the
bza
at
the
beginning
of
this
month,
so
we're
all
set
on
that.
L
The
only
other
item
that
came
up
was-
and
it
was
through
a
comment
from
the
bza-
was
the
a
back
a
tree
in
the
back
along
the
inlet
that
was
claimed
to
be
on
both
the
properties,
but
in
reality
it's
actually
on
canal
core
plan
and
so
we're
just
in
the
process
of
getting
written
confirmation
from
the
canal,
corp
that
they're
approving
or
allowing
us
to
take
that
tree
down,
because
it's
it's
grown
in
and
around
the
steel
structure
that
we
actually
have
to
remove.
So
that's
about
it.
B
That
sounds
like
a
lot
of
fun.
So
last
time
you
were
here,
feedback
for
the
project
was,
I
don't
think,
basically
uniformly
positive
and
I
don't
remember
a
lot
of
outstanding
issues
for
us
to
go
through
lisa.
What
am
I
forgetting.
C
I
don't
remember
a
lot
of,
I
don't
see
a
lot
of
outstanding
issues
either,
so
I
think
it
would
just
be
the
standard
conditions.
You
know
any
details
that
we
haven't
had
access
to,
or
you
know
like
rooftop
mechanicals
or
you
know,
outdoor
lighting.
If
we
don't
have
that
I'll
go
through
the
plans
and
then
any
you
know,
the
conditions
would
be
also
any
other
permissions.
They
need,
like
army
corps
d.o.t.
B
And
none
of
those
conditions
sound
to
me
like
they
should
be
surprises
to
the
applicant
that
all
seems
fairly
typical
and
in
lines
with
what
we've
been
talking
through
any
questions
or
comments
from
the
board.
B
C
L
Yeah
yeah
it
was,
there
was
a
pump
station,
but
that
we
worked
that
out
with
the
city.
They
are
replacing
it.
I
believe,
starting
in
june.
B
Great,
so
that
might
do
it.
You
know
because
we've
been
through
this
product
project
before
and
I
think
we're
all
fairly
familiar
with
it,
and
I
don't
know
that
there's
too
much
to
go
through
today
and
I
hope
it's
smooth
in
a
couple
weeks.
C
So
craig
hang
on
so
the
next
project
is
510.
I
don't
know
if
noah
is,
I
don't
see
him
here
yet.
B
J
I
heard
you
no
it's
just
me
and
I
don't
you
know
we
don't
have
anything
new
to
present.
I
do
you
know
we
are
working
on
getting
the
final
items
wrapped
up
for
part
three
for
lisa
dave,
alwyn's
working
on
that
narrative
now
he's
actually
kind
of
had
a
hectic
week.
J
So,
even
though
he
tried
to
get
to
it
earlier
this
week,
he's
only
probably
going
to
get
to
it
today,
which
I
hope
to
have
out
to
you,
if
not
by
the
end
of
day
today,
hopefully
by
early
next
week,
and
I
think
that
should
complete
the
kind
of
the
missing
items
that
you
were
looking
for
for
that.
J
And
we're
really
ahead
of
the
game
in
a
way
too,
because
I've
actually,
I
was
anticipate
well.
I
had
myself
ahead
of
schedule,
which
doesn't
always
happen
and
I
have
the
application
and
documentation
into
megan
already
for
the
bza.
I
don't
believe
anything's
really
going
to
change
or
should
change,
but
I'll
have
to
update
her.
If
anything,
you
know
we
have
to
modify
anything
or
whatever,
but
I
am
on
her
schedule
to
have
a
bza
like.
J
That
she's
doing
now
for
june's
first
or
second,
I
believe
I'm
stuck
yeah.
So
I
think
we're
we're
in
pretty
good
order
for
all
of
that
and
then-
and
I
think,
certainly
knowing
you
know
that
we're
not
on
until
july
gives
us
more
than
enough
time
to
iron
out
any.
You
know
missing
items
that
might
need
to
be
completed
or
added
to
and
so
forth
from
the
part
three
and
as
far
as
drawing
information
and
things
like
that,
I
don't.
B
Okay,
so
the
the
agenda
for
a
couple
weeks
from
now
is
just
going
through
the
part
three,
and
then
we
have
on
the
the
deck
potential
determination,
and
you
know
I
I'll
say
I
just
don't
know
if
that'll
happen,
but
it
sounds
like
it
doesn't
necessarily
have
to
and
then
lisa
is
there
anything
else
we
should
be
talking
about
today
to
set
up
that
review
in
a
couple
weeks.
C
B
C
Exactly
I
just
I
put
I
put-
I
put
shouldn't
put
that
on
there.
So
it'll
just
be
updates
and
review
the
part
three
so
that
next
month
you
know
any
outstanding
items
can
be
addressed,
and
you
can
do
your
both
the
recommendation
to
bca
and.
J
J
Like
a
reference,
that's
what
I
would
I
know
we
had
tr.
There
was
some
correspondence
of
potentially
doing
the
bza
recommendation
this
month,
but
then
I
that's
why
I
was
questioning
because
I
was
like,
but
we're
not
until
july,
so
it
makes
sense
right
now.
B
Okay,
any
questions
or
comments
from
the
board.
B
All
right,
no
updates
nothing
for
us
to
dig
into
other
than
just
getting
ready
to
get
through
this
part,
three
right.
J
B
All
right,
well,
that
makes
it
nice
and
tidy
we'll
see
you
in
a
couple
weeks
and
we'll
dig
through
the
document
together.
C
Well,
we
are
going
gangbusters
here
you're,
getting
your
wish
elizabeth,
so
the
I
just
texted
the
applicants
for
401
they're
in
the
waiting
room.
So
I'm
going
to
let
them
in
great.
C
I
had
asked
them
to
present
information
on
some
easements
that
they
need,
because
we
hadn't
discussed
that
in
the
part
three
yet
so,
okay
good
morning.
B
H
This
is
jeff,
givens
rob
and
I
I'm
where
my
camera's
not
working,
so
I
apologize
for
that
no
worries,
but
let
me
I
can
at
least
hear
my
screen.
Let
me
pull
the
easements
up.
B
J
H
Yeah
and
if
you
can
follow
my
cursor,
we've
identified
well,
two
existing
easements
and
one
new
easement
to
make
way
for
the
project
starting
in
the
middle
of
the
site,
and
I
believe
we've
discussed
this.
It's
just
now
showing
it
to
you.
This
is
a
an
existing
storm
drain
that
runs
from
state
street
down
to
six
mile
creek
that
we
will
relocate
to
run
actually
down
state
street.
H
I've
got
another
exhibit
here
that
shows
that
storm
drain
really
running
down
state
street
and
then
down
the
drive
aisle
to
six
mile
creature
running
through
the
middle
of
the
site.
So
that's
you
know.
We've
had
some
preliminary
discussions
with
some
city
engineering
about
that,
but
that's
one
that
we'll
need
to
have
vacated
it's
an
easement
from
property
to
the
city
of
ithaca.
H
That
runs
all
the
way,
I
believe
the
state
street.
It
either
terminates
here
or
terminates
the
state
street,
clearly
unnavigable
and
even
in
current
conditions,
and
while
we're
not
building
it
within
this
easement,
we
do
have
some
retaining
walls
that
will
encroach
this
easement.
H
H
Alpha
phi
alpha
property
in
between
our
building
and
the
gateway
center
building,
so
those
are
the
two
existing
and
then
there
is
a
new
instrument
need
where
we
are
going
to
the
other.
You
know
we
have
full
understanding
of
the
city's
replacement,
retaining
wall
and
in
this
area
the
retaining
wall
is
it.
It
doesn't
come
all
the
way
to
our
grade.
H
If
that
makes
sense
to
you,
so
we
have
a
little
bit
of
grade
in
between
the
the
new
city
retaining
wall
in
in
our
site
or
building
footprint
that
we're
going
to
need
to
retain
back
with
a
retaining
wall
on
our
property.
So
in
order
to
do
that
effectively,
there's
going
to
be
tiebacks
that
are
needed
from
the
retaining
wall
that
we
would
build
below
grade
and
it
wouldn't
be
visible
into
what
has
been
conveyed
to
the
city
of
ithaca
for
the
new
retaining
wall.
So
that's
a
will,
be
a
new
easement
request.
H
So
that
would
be
a
new
request
to
be
further
defined
once
we
have
this
completely
engineered
and
understand
the
extent
of
the
tie-backs.
This
is
our
structural
engineer's.
Drawing
of
the
retaining
wall.
The
retaining
wall
itself
will
go
to
a
an
engineered
design
with
a
wall
contractor
it's
in
the
process
of
being
designed
by
them
now
so
once
the
tie
back
needs
are
known,
then
we'll
you
know
we'll
know
what
easement
kind
of
extent
we
we
need
from
the
city
and
then
also
have
some
additional
tie
back
needs
from
some
of
the
neighborhood
property
owners.
H
A
F
There's
like
plans
in
set
of
yeah
there.
It
is
elizabeth
if
you
can
understand
the
key
plan
here
with
the
building
footprint
itself
right.
State
street
is
just
to
the
north,
the
blue
line,
which
is
fairly
small.
I
don't
know
if
there's
a
way
to
zoom
in,
but
the
blue
line
is
the
existing
cities
wall.
F
A
But
if
you,
if
you
had
a
section
through
the
site,
a
cross
section
through
the
site,
it
would
be
low
right.
F
Correct
yeah,
what
we,
what
we
discussed
with
the
city's
retaining
wall
contractor,
is
that
they've
designed
the
city's
retaining
wall
in
a
way
where
it
requires
a
certain
amount
of
back
fill
up
against
the
back
side
of
that
wall.
So,
ideally,
you
know
we
would
excavate
down
alongside
their
wall
and
not
need
our
own
retaining
wall,
but
just
based
on
the
design
of
that
city
wall.
We
can't
take
out
that
backfill
material.
F
F
H
H
I
think
it
can
be
anywhere
from
five
to
maybe
12
feet,
maybe
even
15
feet
as
we
get
further
down.
It's
it's
following
the
same
wall
type
is
what
the
city
is
currently
building.
So
there's
consistency
there.
It
is
brian
mentioned
in
this
area
where
my
cursor
is.
The
city
wall
does
not
go
all
the
way
down
to
our
grade.
They're
backfilling
against
that,
and-
and
thus
you
know,
we
don't
want
to
disturb
that.
So
you
know
we
would
leave
the
backfill
in
place
and
simply
build
our
wall
downstream.
F
And
and
jeff,
if
you
just
scroll
down
again
just
to
the
right
of
that
key
plan,
there
is
a
section
view
so
to
answer
the
height
of
the
wall
question
the
height
of
the
wall
is
actually
zero.
Elizabeth
yeah,
just
scroll
down,
jeff
and
then
over
to
the
right
is
the
section
view
of
that
wall.
There
you
go
so
what
this
does
is
it
retains
the
earth
that
is
required
on
the
left
side
of
this
section
up
against
that
city.
Retaining
wall,
and
this
wall
is
basically
a
construction
wall
right.
F
It's
going
to
allow
us
to
dig
down
place,
our
footers
build
our
building
and
our
building
will
directly
abut
this
wall.
So
it's
really
more
of
a
a
construction
wall
which
will
turn
into
part
of
the
building,
but
there's
no
vertical
exposed
height
of
it.
In
the
end,
in
its
constructive.
C
I
forget
what
I
was
had
my
hand
raised,
but
I
think
that
the
only
you
know
these
the
easement
that
brian
is
describing
as
well
as
utility
easement
will
be.
You
know
just
use
of
city
properties
meant
with
the
board
of
public
works,
but
the
one
the
pedestrian
access
easement
is.
C
The
is
the
one
that
I
see
that
has
you
know
some
planning
implications
that
I
mean
we
have
to
include
these
all
in
the
part
three,
but
and
no,
and
because
you
had
discussed
and
just
like
jeff
said
you
know
that
was
intended,
even
though
it
hasn't
been
used.
C
Yet
you
know
it,
it
was
intended
to
provide
access
from
state
street
down
to
the
creek,
and
now
you
know
they've
provided
an
alternative
access,
but
I
do
have
to
say
you
know
board
has
to
be
aware
that
that
access
that
they've
provided
through
alpha
phi
alpha
has
not
been
agreed
to
by
alpha
phi
alpha.
Yet
so
it's
not.
You
know
that.
H
Well,
they
have
agreed
to
us
in
writing,
so
you
know
their
plans
are
still
to
be.
I
think,
submitted
to
you,
but
they
have.
You
know
they've
agreed
to
us
in
riding
on
the
concept
of
of
the
stair
and,
ultimately
you
know
the
path
sidewalk
leading
down
to
the
creek
to
their
property.
C
B
Yeah
I
mean,
I
think
this
is
a
question
for
the
whole
board,
but
to
frame
it
a
little
bit,
it
looks
like
there's
gonna,
be
a
pedestrian
easement
that
will
be
vacated.
There
will
be
new
pedestrian
access
created
and
then
there's
this
you
know
creek
walk
pedestrian
strip.
That's
you
know
an
an
amenity
and
to
what
extent
do
the
replacement
amenities
and
access
need
to
be
protected
by
easements?
Similarly
to
the
easements
that
are
being
vacated-
and
I
don't
know
the
answer
to
that.
B
B
Okay,
so
that's
that's
helpful
to
know
so
it's
really
the
question
the
alpha
phi
alpha
and
I'm
sure
that
you're
limited
in
what
you
can
secure
in
terms
of
easements,
given
that
their
plans
are
not
totally
final
and
it's
not
your
property,
so
I
mean,
I
think
I
think
that
is
a
discussion
for
the
whole
board
and
then
I'm
not
I'm
not
totally
sure
what
the
board
will
have
to
say
about
it,
but
I
would
I
would
open
it
up
to
any
questions
or
comments
on
that
or
other
issues.
H
A
H
Follow
my
cursor
elizabeth
you'll
see
a
dashed
line
here
and
that's
a
no
build
line
that
we
can't
encroach,
and
then
you
see
another
dashed
line.
That
is,
I
believe,
the
easement
related
to
the
actual
creep
wall.
Correct
me.
If
I'm
wrong.
H
F
F
A
A
But
your
development
only
had
like
a
five
foot.
I
think
sidewalk
right.
F
Yeah
it's
well
so
this
include
the
13
feet
includes,
you
know,
all
of
the
landscaping
and
the
six
foot
wide
stone
dust
trail
and
the
light
poles
and
the
other
things.
So
all
the
features
of
the
creek
walk
trail
are
contained
within
that
easement.
J
F
F
Yes,
I
believe
and
jeff
you
can
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
I
believe
we've
changed
from
a
shot,
cree
faced
wall
to
more
of
a
natural
timber
wall
which
would
blend
a
little
bit
more
into
the
surroundings
with
the
timber
look
to
it,
along
with
the
landscaping
that
we've
kind
of
provided
along
that
turnaround
area
in
the
back.
F
If
you're
talking
about
the
east
end
right-
and
that
is
a
that-
is
an
exposed
wall
which
we've
we've
looked
at
in
some
of
the
other
renderings
but
yeah,
we
we
did
change
it
from
just
a
shot,
creek
concrete
face
to
a
timber-legged
wall.
I
believe
that's
right.
A
C
I
asked
for
that
vines
on
the
wall
and-
and
I
feel
like
you
responded
that
you
would
include
that
but
elizabeth
at
the
last
meeting
we
talked
about
continuing
developing
the
landscape
plan
after
seeker,
so
that
is
definitely
something
that
we
can
continue
to.
A
B
B
B
Thank
you
rob
so
I
mean
I'm
sure,
we'll
talk
about
the
easement
stuff
before
we
finish
seeker
because
it
will
have
to
it'll
be
worth
talking
through
the
retaining
walls,
because
not
all
the
board's
seen
them
worth
getting
feedback
from
the
board,
and
I
don't
know
how
much
time
we'll
spend
on
that,
because
I
think
the
goal
is
to
finish
seeker
and
that
can
take
some
effort
and
then
the
last
thing
is
the
determination
of
not
the
determination.
B
The
recommendation
of
the
bza
remind
me
of
the
nature
of
this
rec.
This
variance.
Is
it
just
the
height
or
is
there
more
going
on.
B
Okay,
so
we'll
talk
about
that
in
a
couple
weeks,
I
don't
know
that
there's
necessarily
too
much
to
be
gained
by
going
through
it
with
the
smaller
group
when
nothing's
changed
since
the
last
time
we've
talked
about
it
with
you
vis-a-vis
the
height
lisa.
Is
there
anything
else
we
should
be
talking
about
today?.
C
Well,
they
did
submit
a
response
letter
to
all
the
outstanding
items
in
the
seeker
and
I
don't
know
that
we
have
time
to
do
that
today
or
that's
of
interest,
but
I
will
definitely
be
incorporating
all
of
that
into
the
part
three.
I
would
definitely
recommend
reviewing
that
carefully
and
you
know
for
the
next
meeting
we're
just
going
to
have
to
go
through
and
slog
through
it.
I
think.
C
And
I
just
want
to
mention
again:
we
talked
we've
talked
about
this
many
times
just
because
we
do
a
secret
determination
or
the
board
does
a
secretary
doesn't
mean
you
can't
continue
to
work
on
things
during
site
plan
review,
and
so
I've
kind
of
just
for
your
information,
I've
kind
of
started
to
separate
out
those
things,
as
I
did
in
the
last
draft
of
the
part
three
of
things
that
could
be
dealt
with
in
site
plan
review
if
they
don't
rise
to
the
level
of
a
seeker.
Thing
like
you,
know,
defunct.
C
B
B
I'll
also
mention
that
elizabeth
sent
out
some
links
for
green
walls
on
highway
and
green
retaining
walls.
I
think
that
would
be
worth
fording
along
to
your
landscape
architect,
as
we
move
you
know,
hopefully
through
seeker
and
back
into
those
those
design
issues.
We'd
love
to
see.
You
know
a
response
to
that.
H
C
Aside
from
the
projects
that
we
saw
today
and
the
actions
that
are
scheduled
for
next
month,
the
only
additional
project
on
the
agenda
will
be
228,
dryden
road,
which
is
a
right
next
to
todd,
fox's
project
232
dryden
word,
which
you've
seen
several
times
for
several
different
reasons,
including
subdivision
last
month.
So
this
is
a
new
project
new
owner
and
that
will
just
be
a
lead
agency
declaration
and
I'm
not
even
sure
you'll
have
time
for
a
presentation
and
that's
fine.
C
If
you
don't,
you
know
we
can
that's
all
you
have
to
do
so.
You'll
have
you
know
several
months
to
do
that
and
I
have
not
recently
heard
from
noah
about
815
south
aurora
street.
I
I
don't
know
if
they're
going
to
respond
to
your
comments
from
last
time,
so.
C
B
We
certainly
left
it
open.
I
have
personal
skepticism.