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A
Thank
you
good
evening,
mayor
and
council
tonight
is
the
february
22nd
council
briefing.
We
have
three
items
on
the
agenda
for
tonight
to
discuss
the
first
one
is
one
of
the
council
priorities
that
was
just
reaffirmed
with
the
new
council
a
couple
of
months
ago,
and
that
is
the
review
phase.
Two.
Last
year
we
conducted
phase
one
which
was
to
clean
up
a
handful
of
items
that
were
specific
to
the
council
direction.
A
Phase
two
is
effectively
a
review
of
the
entire
charter
document.
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
the
city
attorney
and
cliff
shepard
to
speak
a
little
bit
more
on
this
particular
initiative.
B
Hi
there
everyone
okay,
so
this
is
the
briefing
item
on
charter
phase
two
revisions
and
the
prior
city
council
set
some
initiatives
for
charter
review
phase
one
and
phase
two
we
handled
phase
one
and
the
four
referendum
were
adopted
and
approved
and
those
are
in
place
and
in
our
charter
so
based
on
the
timeline
that
was
established
for
the
city
council
initiatives
we're
coming
up
on
the
phase
two
work
as
scheduled
on
the
timeline-
and
you
all
know
some
of
most
of
you
know
and
for
those
council
members
that
don't
know
cliff
shepard
is
an
expert
in
everything
he
is
he's
our
outside
consultant
for
the
cra
he's.
B
Also,
our
charter
review
expert
and
cliff
you
may
council
members
may
have
reviewed
cliff's
videos
with
respect
to
the
ethics
training
and
the
public
wreck.
Public
records
laws-
and
I
mentioned
that
cliff-
is
one
of
our
outside
expert
consultants
and
anyhow
he
is
an
expert
and
he's
here
to
help
us
through
the
charter.
Two
phase
of
revisions,
we
attached
a
cliff's
memorandum
and
recommendation
on
how
to
approach
the
phase
2
revisions
and
in
our
in
my
memorandum,
mike
that
mike
submitted.
B
C
Well
well,
thank
you,
chris,
and
I
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
be
before
you
today
in
preparing
me
to
prepare
you.
One
of
the
things
that
both
chris
and
mike
agreed
on
is
that,
while
my
memo,
the
memo
that
you've
already
been
provided
with
a
copy
could
have
been
significantly
longer
that
that
would
not
be
in
my
interest
if
I
wish
to
continue
to
be
your
counsel
or
your
interest
in
trying
to
get
to
the
bottom
line,
and
so
I
appreciate
bottom
line
kind
of
folks.
C
The
reason
I
mention
that,
though,
is
because
that,
while
this
is
a
bullet,
pointed
memorandum
that
goes
through
the
procedure,
I
recommend
I
can
expand
and
expound
on
any
of
these
points
based
on
actual
experience,
because
all
of
these
points
are
based
on
actual
experience,
I've
done
charter
reviews,
I'm
going
to
say
conservatively
20
times,
and
I've
done
various
configurations
of
those
that
have
taught
me
lessons
along
the
way
about
what
not
to
do
as
much
as
they've
taught
me
about
what
to
do
most
recently
and
actually
in
a
certain
way.
It's
ongoing.
C
I
was
the
charter
review
council
for
orange
county's
charter
in
orange
county
down
here
in
the
orlando
area,
is
a
growing
county
of
almost
1.6
million
people
once
we
get
the
next
survey
from
the
census
done,
and
so
it
was
pretty
big
deal
with
17
members
on
the
charter
review
commission
that
definitely
would
fall
in
the
category
of
how
not
to
do
it
and
I'll
be
happy
to
give
you
why
the
more
successful
ones
I've
been
on
are
the
ones
that
are
some
version
of
what
I've
outlined
here
so
I'll
go
through
the
points.
C
Give
you
a
little
bit
of
additional
explanation
and
then
I'll
be
free
to
answer
questions
whatever
you
want.
So
a
lot
of
times
in
the
cities
that
I've
represented,
there's
been
a
temptation
from
the
elected
officials
to
point
some
sort
of
a
blue
ribbon
or
selected
citizen,
council
or
commission
to
do
the
review
process.
C
That's
looked
at
from
a
political
standpoint
is
a
favorable
way
of
getting
community
involvement
and
also
from
getting
additional
input.
It
sounds
great.
It's
terrible
and
the
reason
it's
terrible
is
not
because
I
don't
value
citizen
input
it's
because
the
citizen
input
has
to
be
informed
input
and
that's
where
the
problem
is
because
frequently
people
who
are
picked
while
they
may
be
very
smart
people,
they
don't
always
have
the
knowledge,
the
working
knowledge
of
how
government
works
on
a
day-to-day
basis
and
perhaps
and
again,
I'm
not
obviously
pointing
fingers.
C
I
don't
know
any
of
you
that
well
the
same
kind
of
uninformed
but
interested
background
that
you
might
have
brought
as
a
newly
elected
official
at
some
point,
and
so
what
happens
in
that
situation
is
that
the
politicians
didn't
get
bound
up
and
not
because
citizens
would
think
what
they
think
are
good
ideas
bring
to
the
table,
ideas
that
are
not
workable
in
the
government
structure
and
then
the
politicians,
the
elected
officials,
have
the
unpleasant
duty
of
telling
them.
No.
C
We
can't
do
that,
so
you
who
created
your
own
obstacle
that
makes
you
look
like
you're,
not
trying
to
do
their
will
when,
in
fact
all
you're
really
trying
to
do
is
follow
what
the
law
permits.
So
that's
the
primary
basis.
There's
more
reasons
behind
that,
but
that's
that's
the
primary
one
scheduling
a
series
of
special
public
meetings
limited
to
charter
review
itself,
rather
than
an
add-on,
is
simply
to
keep
you
focused
and
on
task
when
you
try
to
add
them
on
as
a
add-on
to
a
meeting.
C
The
meetings
can
go
much
longer
than
what
they
may
already
go,
and
it's
better
to
focus
on
the
task
at
hand
and
and
get
it
done
in
that
way.
It
also
allows
you
to
limit
the
meetings
to
specific
portions
of
the
charter
and
take
them
on
in
a
way
that
you
know
when
the
meeting
begins
and
when
you
get
to
that
last
section.
You're
reviewing
you
know
when
it
ends.
C
That's
why
I
suggested
bullet
point
number
three,
which
is
to
make
an
agenda
specific
to
each
meeting.
That's
specific
to
the
portions
of
the
charter,
the
sections
of
the
charter
and
your
charter
has
11
sections
that
you
were
reviewing
at
that
meeting
in
certain
meetings
where
the
sections
are
longer
or
more
complicated
or
may
have
more
issues.
You
may
use
review
less
sections
in
other
meetings
where
they're,
incredibly
short
or
non-consequential.
C
That
is
stark
contrast,
for
example,
to
the
system
I
just
went
through
and
because
of
litigation,
I'm
still
going
through
to
some
degree
with
orange
county,
where
there
was
no
attempt
to
review
the
charter
from
start
to
finish.
But
instead
these
citizens
appointed
by
the
county
commission
just
came
with
ideas
of
things
they
wanted
that
had
nothing
to
do
with
the
existing
charter.
Things
like
we
want
to
put
in
a
rights
of
nature
provision
so
with
anybody
who
wants
to
consume.
C
If
water
is
polluted
again,
whether
you
feel
good
or
bad
about
that
as
an
idea.
It's
the
kind
of
thing
that
allows
the
train
to
run
off
the
tracks
and
avoids
the
actual
issue,
which
is
reviewing
the
charter
at
hand,
not
to
say
that
new
ideas
are
important,
but
they
also
have
to
be
ideas
that
can
get
have
a
reasonable
chance
of
success
legally
and
passage,
but
also
such
you'll
want
the
new
ideas
to
overcome
that
the
general
purpose,
which
is
to
review
the
actual
charter.
C
You
conduct
your
meetings
like
regular
meetings.
You
allow
the
public
comment
period
like
that
you're
all
familiar
with
before
you
get
to
the
actual
discussion
of
sections
where
it
should
be
amongst
the
the
members
there.
C
You
have
the
public
input
and
that's
where,
for
example,
you
may
well
hear
some
new
ideas
or
ideas
for
additions
that
you
hadn't
considered.
That's
where
you'll
get
your
citizen
input,
but
you
keep
the
discussion
part
of
the
issue
once
you've
gone
to
that
portion
of
the
meeting
amongst
you
all
and
that
way
they
work
more
like
a
workshop.
C
So
you
can
discuss
pros
and
cons,
bounce
ideas
off
each
other
and
off
me
as
your
legal
counsel
as
to
what
is
legally
doable
and
those
kinds
of
things,
and
you
don't
need
to
waste
time
on
drafting
you're,
certainly
free
to,
but
one
of
the
reasons
you
have
a
lawyer
to
do
a
charter
view.
Is
you
come
up
with
the
idea
of
what
you
want
and
then
you
turn
it
over
to
the
lawyer
to
come
up
with
the
language
that
meets
all
the
requirements
of
the
law.
C
The
title,
the
summary,
the
actual
amendment
themselves
for
the
charter-
part
amendments
we
just
did.
I
think
chris
will
back
me
up.
We
had
two
or
three
amendments
that
were
desired
by
you
all,
or
at
least
most
of
you
all,
and
I
was
able
to
knock
those
things
out
pretty
quickly
and
turn
them
around
in
a
way
that
was
legally
enforceable,
met
all
the
requirements
and
avoided
non-lawyers
trying
to
draft
things
with
which
they're
unfamiliar
and
so
that's
the
reason
for
that.
C
C
And
then,
when
you're
looking
at
a
two-hour
time
window
you,
then
you
can
appropriately
decide
okay
well
for
this
two-hour
meeting.
We
can
really
only
handle
this
one
section,
because
it's
very
complicated
it's
got
a
lot
of
stuff
or
for
this
two-hour
block.
As
I
mentioned,
we
can
cover
three
or
four
sections,
because
these
next
sections
are
pretty
de
minimis
and
we
may
even
finish
early
and
then
last
but
not
least,
is
to
include
legal
counsel,
and
that
may
seem
self-evident.
C
Come
up
with
an
idea
that
I
would
have
been
able
to
say
immediately
is
contrary
to
florida
law
unconstitutional
or
whatever,
and
it
gets
a
lot
of
momentum
both
on
the
committee,
but
also
in
the
community
at
large
before
they
realize
that
somebody's
got
to
pump
the
brakes
and
when
that
person
happens
to
be
me,
that
is
an
unpleasant
situation
because,
as
I
say
to
anybody
who
ever
hires
me,
I've
never
been
elected
to
anything.
That's
your
role
or
appointed
officials.
I've
never
been
appointed.
C
It's
not
my
job
to
stand
in
the
way
of
the
speeding
train,
it's
simply
to
keep
the
train
on
the
tracks,
and
so
for
that
reason,
having
me
in
person,
as
opposed
to
consulting
me
after
the
fact
is,
probably
the
better
way
to
go
so,
like
I
say,
I've
had
experiences
with
all
of
these
things.
C
That
went
the
other
way
and
it's
why
I've
concluded
with
these
bullet
points
is
what
I
think
is
the
most
workable
and
best
way,
but
I
haven't
opened
to
answer
any
questions
and
at
the
end
of
the
day,
it's
your
process,
because
I've
done
it
all
manner
of
ways.
I
don't
object,
but
I
was
asked
for
my
recommendations
and
so
here
it
is.
B
D
Hey
cliff
good,
to
see
you
first
off
and
thank
you
for
the
work
that
you've
done
so
far.
So
have
you
had
a
chance
to
review
our
charter
at
all
or
just
kind
of
take
a
a
superficial
overlook
at
it
or.
C
Very
superficial,
in
that
I
was
able
to
count
to
11.,
and-
and
I
did
that
for
the
idea
of
okay-
I
wonder
how
many
sections
we
would
have
to
split
up
amongst
whatever
number
of
meetings
you
all
come
up
as
as
appropriate,
but
because
I
have
zero
knowledge
of
the
politics
or
sensitive
issues
in
the
community
or
what
may
have
been
a
problem
in
the
past.
C
No,
definitely
you
definitely
as
a
matter
of
law.
You
don't
look
at
a
charter
section
separate
from
the
other
sections,
because
if
there's
any
conflict
or
potential
conflict
between
sections
on
a
given
issue,
you'll
want
to
see
that
and
you
want
to
resolve
it
because
how
the
law
provides
for
that
is
that
you
have
to
read
all
sections
together
and
try
to
read
meaning
into
all
of
them,
and
it
can
be
an
impossible
task
if
there's
an
obvious
conflict
and
it
creates
for
whomever
might
decide
it.
C
The
judge,
in
the
case
male
or
female,
trying
to
figure
out
what
is
the
intent.
An
example
of
this
in
the
current
charter
review
that
I'm
involved
with
with
one
of
my
cities.
C
Their
intention
at
the
time
was
they
were
only
thinking
about
the
mayor
and
for
a
lot
of
reasons
that
I
won't
get
into.
They
really
weren't
pleased
with
the
possibility
of
that
particular
mayor
at
that
time,
coming
back
very
quickly
and
running
again,
so
they
made
a
term
limits
provision
that
called
out
the
mayor
only
but
didn't
apply
to
any
other
council
members
so
that,
as
written
the
mayor
position
once
vacated,
you
cannot
run
for
essentially
effectively
two
terms
two
of
two
years
of
qualifying.
C
Whereas
if
you've
been
elected
to
council,
you
can
arguably,
if
you
resign
just
a
little
bit
early
before
the
end
of
your
term,
you
could
literally
run
in
the
next
general
election
cycle,
which
is
roughly
a
year
later,
not
what's
the
intended
and
one
of
the
things
they
intend
to
fix
now
with
a
charter
view,
but
that's
because
they
didn't
read
the
sections
together.
The
mayor
section
is
one
section:
the
council
people
is
another
section
and
creates
this
conflict.
So
that's
the
way.
C
It
goes
now
as
a
general
rule-
and
I
know
this
from
having
looked
at
the
portions
of
your
charity
that
have
already
been
amended
by
public
one
of
the
things
we
always
look
for
in
older
charters
and
even
some
of
the
newer
ones
is
trying
to
get
achieve
gender
neutrality
and
that's
not
a
political
statement,
it's
just
a
practical
one.
So
that
was
something
that
we
would
tell
you
to
do
regardless,
but
short
of
that.
A
D
F
I
thank
you
for
the
succinct
bullet
points,
because
my
first,
you
know
question
mark
was
about
why
you
opposed
a
separate
citizen
committee,
but
you
explained
it
really
well
seems
like
a
very
well
organized
and
methodical
process
that
we
can
work
through
each
piece
as
we
determine
it,
and
and
still
have
plenty
of
room
for
citizen
comment
as
we
work
through
it.
F
Do
you
feel
I
think
if
you
just
look
at
each
section
by
section
you're
looking
at
at
what's
there
but
you're,
not
necessarily
seeing
what's
not
there,
and
I
know
you
said
that
the
what's
missing
would
come
from
citizen
input.
Is
that
enough
I
mean?
Is
it
does
that?
Do
you
feel
like
that?
Would
cover
it
or
do
we
need
to
be
looking
at
other
charters
like
ours?
It's.
C
An
interesting
proposition
because
you
know
whether
you're
talking
about
things
like
went
on
in
orange
county,
two,
the
two
most
controversial
things
that
both
of
which
ended
up
on
only
three
battle.
After
doing
it
for
a
year
and
a
half,
they
only
put
three
issues
before
the
public
and
their
charter
is
substantially
longer
than
yours,
and
those
issues
had
nothing
to
do
with
the
existing
charter.
C
Another
one
is
this
idea
of
natural
rights
for
bodies
of
water
and
having
citizens
be
able
to
protect
water
bodies
from
pollution,
and
the
third
one
has
to
do
with
initiative.
Petitions,
that's
the
one
that
actually
had
to
do
with
something
specific
that
was
already
in
the
charter
to
try
to
make
the
petition
gathering
process
a
little
bit
easier
and
less
onerous
than
it.
C
Currently
is
but
none
of
the
charter,
meaning
from
start
to
finish,
got
reviewed
in
a
methodical
process,
so
I
don't
still
know
even
having
served
there
now
for
over
two
years,
whether
they're
things
that
should
have
been
changed
because
there
was
no
process
to
look
at
them.
Basically,
each
mating
was
a
brainstorming
session,
and
so
the
the
answer
to
your
question
is
for
most
of
the
things
that
you
might
be
thinking
of
mayor.
C
Those
kinds
of
things
are
the
kinds
of
things
that
ordinances
are
for,
not
charters,
for
you
know
how
much
legislation
we
have
in
this
country,
but
we
rarely
have
a
constitutional
amendment
and
that's
how
you
think
of
your
charter.
There
are.
There
are
reasons
to
do
it.
It's
a
little
bit
easier
and
charter
than
it
is
the
constitution
for
obvious
reasons,
but
but
actually
for
a
charter
is
concerned.
Less
is
mostly
more.
F
G
A
Does
there
appear
to
be
consensus
that
you
all
like
the
proposal
that
was
put
forward
as
to
how
we
should
do
phase
two,
yes
being
heads
nodding,
and
I
see
a
majority
of
them
chris
and
cliff.
I
think
that
gives
us
the
direction
we
were
looking
for
tonight
cliff
and
thank
you
for
taking
the
time
to
present
on
this
item
tonight.
Chris,
did
you
want
to
do
any
wrap
up
on
it.
B
A
This
is
something
that
council
has
had
requested
a
couple
of
months
ago
that
we
have
a
discussion
on
the
memo
that
is
provided
to
you
actually
has
two
attachments
associated
with
it.
The
first
is
the
florida
league
of
cities,
2021
legislative
action
agenda,
and
the
second
is
northeast
florida,
regional
council
21
legislative
priorities.
A
The
the
ones
that
I
wanted
to
point
out
that
are
a
direct
and
immediate
impact
to
the
city
are
in
the
priorities:
short-term
vacation,
rentals
and
the
discharge
to
surface
waters,
specifically
for
short-term
rentals.
You
may
have
seen
emails
that
have
come
out
over
the
past
few
weeks
that
this
year,
as
in
last
year,
there
is
legislation
that
would
basically
preempt
local
government
from
doing
anything
with
regards
to
short-term
vacation
rentals
unless
you
had
an
ordinance
that
was
in
effect
prior
to
2011..
A
A
A
Those
are
the
the
two
big
ones
from
florida
league
of
city
that
I
wanted
to
point
out,
the
other
ones.
Hopefully,
you
were
able
to
read
through
the
backgrounds
and
see
how
those
may
or
may
not
affect
us
with
regards
to
the
northeast
florida,
regional
council,
again,
you
can
see
that
there
are
a
listing
of
priorities
that
are
provided
that
affect
both
counties
and
municipal
jurisdictions
that
are
around
us.
Basically,
it's
from
flagler
and
putnam
county
to
the
south,
all
the
way
up
to
nassau
and
baker
to
the
north
and
everything
in
between.
A
A
At
this
point,
though,
I'd
open
it
up
to
discussion
to
see
if
council
has
any
comments
on
any
of
the
legislative
priorities
that
are
out
there
or
the
positions
of
florida
league
of
cities
or
whether
or
not
there's
anything
that
the
city
should
be
advocating
on
behalf
of
that's
not
already
listed,
and
the
first
hand
that
I
see
raised
is
councillor
dumont,
followed
by
councillor
golding.
G
Thank
you
mike
I'm
looking
at
the
northeast
florida,
regional
council
one
and
when
I
read
through
it
the
first
time
it
doesn't
look
like
duval
county
is
overly
involved.
The
the
mayor
of
baldwin's
involved,
but
you'd
think
that
of
all
of
the
areas
in
duval
county,
there
would
be
more
involvement
to
be
able
to
try
and
leverage
this
resource
at
the
state
level.
So
I
think
it
would
be
good
for
the
city
to
have
to
be
engaged
with
this
organization
somehow
in
the
future,.
H
Thank
you
mike,
so
there's
a
couple
of
other
pieces
of
legislation
that
are
that
have
been
introduced
that
and
they're
not
part
of
the
legislative
priorities
for
the
florida
league
of
cities,
but
I
don't
know
if
it's
something
that
we
as
a
council
would
want
to
consider
taking
a
position
on,
but
home-based
businesses
is
some
legislation
that
could
negatively
impact
our
neighborhoods
and
then
also
there's
smoking
in
public
parks.
H
That's
been
introduced,
and
that
was
one
that
michael
might
can
back
me
up
on
this.
This
came
up
under
the
municipal
administration
committee
and
we
were
discussing
that
as
well,
and
there
was
a
lot
of
discussion
about
it
and
there
does
appear
to
be
at
least
in
that
policy
committee.
There
was
a
there
was
a
lot
of
interest
in
it,
but
the
vacation
rentals
definitely
rose
to
the
top
again
this
year,
because
it's
it's
also
a
very
big
issue.
H
H
You
know
take
a
position
on
as
a
council
and
then
the
other
thing
I
wanted
to
ask
is
as
a
council
would
we
also,
because
I
know
neptune
beach,
just
recently
passed
a
resolution
in
opposition
to
the
two
bills
that
are
proposed
for
the
vacation,
rentals,
which
is
house
bill,
219
and
senate
bill
522,
and
they
passed
a
resolution
in
opposition
to
those
so
that
that
could
be
sent
to
the
legislature
and
to
the
various
committees
that
will
be
hearing
those
bills
and
let
them
know
that
the
city
of
neptune
beach
does
not
support
that
legislation
and
I
believe
in
the
pre-legislation
call
that
the
league
of
cities
had
the
other
day.
H
A
Thank
you,
counselor
into
to
play
off
of
that
before
we
go
to
the
mayor.
Just
so
everyone's
familiar
the
the
issue
of
home
office
of
convenience
or
the
home
office
that
counselor
goldman
was
speaking
to.
It
would
basically
be
legislation
that
allows
home
offices
by
right
and
the
way
it's
written
is
very
loose,
which
means
one
could
interpret
it,
that
people
not
only
can
have
their
home
office,
but
they
can
actually
conduct
business
out
of
their
property,
even
if
the
business
might
not
be
compatible
with
the
surrounding
neighborhood
or
neighboring
properties.
A
A
And
I
can't
recall
mayor
if
we
did
one
on
short-term
vacation
rentals
or
not
other
than
really
hammer
at
home,
with
our
two
local
legislators,
representative
byrd
and
senator
bean,
when
we
had
a
meeting
with
them.
A
couple
weeks
back.
F
We
did
send
a
letter
to
representatives
yarborough
fisher
and
byrd.
We
got
our
response
from
yarborough.
That
was
just
the
standard.
Thank
you
for
your
letter
type
of
thing,
but
yeah.
F
So
I
think
that
for
our
part
to
as
we
react
and
respond,
and
normally
that's
at
the
behest
of
the
florida
league
of
cities,
that
we
copy
you
guys
all
on
that,
so
you
can
see
what
we're
kind
of
actively
providing
input
on
so
that
you
can
either
follow
suit,
or
just
just
for
your
general
awareness,
which
is
not
not
really
something
that
has
been
provided
to
the
council
in
the
past,
at
least
not
my
experience.
F
A
F
Going
back
to
the
northeast
florida,
regional
council,
I
did
participate
in
their
leadership
academy.
I
don't
know
if
georgette
or
sandy
have
you
done
that?
F
Okay,
so,
but
I'm
not
active
with
them
beyond
being
an
alumnus,
but
duval
county
or
jacksonville
pulled
their
funding
at
at
one
point,
and
I
I
think
they
went
back
to
it,
but
they've
been
they.
They
have
somewhat
of
a
reputation
for
not
really
participating
in
organizations
like
that,
including
the
league
of
cities.
I
think
they
have
a
board
seat
for
being
the
largest
city.
F
That
is,
is
a
vacant
seat,
so
so
that
you
know
that's
jacksonville's
issue,
but
just
in
terms
of
how
it
relates
to
us,
then
I
also
wanted
to
say
that
margot
mooring,
who
is
on
the
planning
commission,
at
least
at
the
time
I
went
through
the
leadership
academy,
works
for
the
northeast
florida
regional
council.
So
she
may
be
a
good
resource
to
talk
to
as
a
jacksonville
beach
resident.
F
I
don't
know
that
we
necessarily
need
to
adopt
these
priorities
this
year,
because
they're
pretty
pretty
broad
and
most
of
the
specifics
impact
other
areas
that
don't
really
touch
us.
So
I
think
it's
something
we
should
evaluate
to
see
if
it's
something
we
should
be
more
actively
involved
in,
but
for
this
year
I
don't
really
see
us
needing
to
do
that.
A
A
G
Okay,
I
wouldn't
be
against
it,
it
wouldn't
be.
There
would
be
no
harm,
it
would
be
harmful
for
us
if
this
were
to
pass.
So
I
think
anything
that
we
could
do
to
note.
Our
stance
on
these
bills
would
be
helpful,
or
at
least
to
provide
our
representatives
over
in
tallahassee
some
cover
as
to
why
they
may
not
have
supported
those
bills.
A
So
chris,
if
you
can,
if
you
can
get
neptune
with
zach
and
see
if
we
can
get
a
copy
of
their
resolution
and
we
can
tailor
it
to
the
city
of
jacks
beach
and
bring
it
back
for
council
consideration.
B
E
H
I
I
would
just
ask
that
I
mean
I
don't
know
if
any
of
the
other
council
members
are
familiar
with
it,
but
the
home-based
business
bills,
I
think
are,
are
both
really
important.
I'd
ask
that
you
look
at
those
and
maybe
read
the
league
of
cities,
information,
and
perhaps
I
don't
know
if
anybody
has
called
in
or
called
into
the
pre-legislative
pre-legislative
session
call
that
was
held
by
the
league
of
cities
on
thursday.
H
But
if
you
could
at
least
familiarize
yourself
with
it,
I
I
think
that's
another
one
that
we
would
probably
want
to
do
a
resolution
in
opposition
to
as
well
and
and
then
also
that's
another.
One
like
corey
was
saying
that
if
you
have
any
contacts
in
the
legislature,
you
need
to
start
reaching
out
to
them.
If
you
know
them
well
and
even
the
ones
you
don't
know.
Well,
if
you
can
start
reaching
out
to
the
committees
that
these
bills
are
going
to
the
more
the
more
of
us
they
hear
from
the.
A
Better
and
just
so
the
just
so
the
council
is
aware,
I'm
actually
on
what's
called
a
practitioners
committee,
which
is
made
up
of
a
series
of
city
managers
and
some
deputy
city
managers
from
across
the
state
that
are
involved
with
the
municipal
administration
committee
as
well
as
a
few
others,
and
we
have
a
standing
call
either
weekly
or
bi-weekly.
I
think
it's
bi-weekly,
where
we
actually
take
a
look
at
the
proposed
legislation.
A
That's
coming
up
and
we
provide
feedback
with
which
ultimately
goes
from
our
committee
back
to
the
florida
league,
which
is
occasionally
developed
into
some
talking
points.
But
we
kind
of
straw,
man,
each
of
the
legislative
proposals
and
point
out
where
the
deficiencies
or
weaknesses
are
and
give
us
at
least
a
talking
platform.
A
A
A
Okay,
why
not
each
take
a
look
at
it,
but
at
least
chris
can
start
working
on
the
first
resolution
and
we'll
get
that
to
you
as
quickly
as
possible.
Councillor
stokes.
I
Yeah,
I
just
wanted
to
say
I've
put
a
couple
calls
into
some
legislators
in
tallahassee
that
I
know
on
the
short-term
vacation,
rentals
and
whatever
all
of
us
can
do.
I
think
that's
important,
so
I
support
that
resolution
and
I'll
look
into
the
home-based
business
as
one,
so
we
can
have
a
clear,
decisive
there,
but
really
kind
of
wanted
to
pop
back
to
the
flc
and
any
frc
I'd
support
any
opportunity
for
us
to
get
some
representation
on
on
those
bodies.
I
Any
frc
was
was
obviously
within
the
city
of
jacksonville,
not
putting
anybody
on
there.
It's
a
pretty
good
opportunity
for
us
at
the
beaches
to
maybe
get
a
little
representation
there
on
some
other
council
that
just
kind
of
gets
our
issues
outside
of
the
little
local
sphere
here.
So
any
way
we
can,
if
there's
any
opportunities,
come
up.
I'd
love
to
love,
to
see
them
from
the
city,
and
hopefully
one
of
us
can
get
involved
in
one
of
these
two
councils
and
get
a
little
bit
more
exposure.
A
A
I
Yeah
I'd
be
interested
to
know
what's
available
at
least
see
what
opportunities
are
out
there
for
us
to.
You
know
further
our
our
reach.
A
Okay,
that's
probably
something
the
mayor
and
I'll
talk
a
little
bit
about
offline
with
regards
to
how
that
would
work,
there's
currently
five
policy
committees.
A
So
obviously,
there's
there's
a
lot
of
communities
around
the
state
that
have
multiple
elected
officials
that
serve
on
each
of
the
policy
committees,
but
they
definitely
go
in
there
with
a
they
go
in
there
with
the
intent
of
bringing
information
back
to
their
council.
Sharing
it
make
sure
that
they're
on
the
same
page
before
they
take
their
final
votes
as
they
get
to
the
end
of
their
policy
committee
sessions.
So
that
way,
individual
council
members
aren't
necessarily
going
in
the
opposite
direction.
A
A
It's
everything
from
the
tax
fairness
that
you
see,
which
is
making
sure
to
collect
the
appropriate
internet
sales
tax
to
the
environmental
impacts
such
as
water
quality
and
water
effluent
from
different
facilities.
A
So
if
there's
no
other
comments
on
this
topic,
I
think
we've
got
our
pretty
good
direction
at
this
end
and
seeing
no
hands
raised.
We'll
wrap
up.
Item
number.
Two
and
we
will
move
on
to
title
topic
number
three,
which
was
a
council
requested
item
that
we
discuss
the
processes
that
the
council
currently
has
with
regards
to
how
they
operate.
A
So
there
are
some
bullet
points
that
were
provided
here
for
you
for
things
that
you
might
want
to
consider
talking
about,
and
that's
everything
from
the
dates
and
times
of
regular
meetings,
the
order
of
business
or
the
sequence
of
events
as
they
occur
at
our
specific
council
meetings
and
some
of
the
other
policies
and
procedures
associated
with
celebratory
or
recognition
type
awards
that
are
done
by
council.
A
A
I
know
that
one
of
the
things
we
provided
for
everyone
is
the
fact
that
the
mayor
is
treated
a
little
bit
differently
with
regards
to
charter
language
and
also
with
the
fact
that
the
mayor
is
called
out
as
the
head
of
the
council,
as
well
as
the
person
who
is
responsible
for
all
of
the
recognition
or
celebratory
type
issues
that
are
done
by
the
city.
F
Yeah
thanks
mike,
I
think
that,
just
to
kind
of
go
through
a
few
things
that
I
noticed
in
this
packet
in
terms
of
the
city
charter,
the
only
place
that
gender
is
recognized
specifically
as
he
is
under
mayor
everywhere
else.
It's
he
she.
So
that
is
certainly
something
we
need
to
at
the
very
least
be
consistent
on
recently
discussion.
F
We
had
a
lot
of
media
attention
in
town
with
all
of
the
openings
and
announcements
and
everything
like
that,
and
it
was
always
kind
of
understood
that
media
calls
go
to
the
mayor
and
or
the
city
manager
and
mike,
and
I
have
actually
discussed
a
process
for
handling
those.
But
it's
not
stated
anywhere
that
the
mayor
and
or
the
city
city
manager
would
be
the
official
spokes
people
for
the
city.
So
I
think
that
is
something
that
we
need
to
I'd
like
to
hear
your
feedback
on
that.
F
Certainly
not
it
doesn't
mean
you
can't
speak
to
the
media,
but
in
terms
of
the
official
spokespeople
for
the
our
local
news
media
that
it
would
be
us
that
particularly
comes
into
play
in
emergencies.
So
when
there's
hurricanes
covered
things
like
that,
when
I
was
a
council
member,
I
would
get
media
calls,
but
I
would
bounce
them
straight
to
charlie
and
or
mayor
latham
and
george
at
the
time.
Sometimes
they
would
bounce
back
just
depending
on
what
the
issue
is.
F
So
I
think
we
need
to
think
about
how
to
specify
that
and
then
the
other
item
is
on
the
proclamations
and
the
wave
maker
awards
for
the
new
members.
The
wave
maker
award
is
something
that
mayor
latham
came
up
with
and
that
I'm
interested
in
continuing,
although
I'm
planning
on
modifying
it
a
little
bit
just
in
terms
of
what
the
award
is
using
a
photo
of
an
actual
jacksonville
beach
wave
versus
the
the
clear
acrylic
type
of
award
and
then
proclamations
in
the
past.
F
If
I
was
approached
by
a
group
about
a
proclamation,
I
would
normally
just
again
send
it
to
the
mayor
and
city
council
to
determine
if
they
wanted
to
do
that.
So
I'm
I'm
open
to
suggestions
on
wave
makers
and
proclamations
coming
from
from
any
council
member,
and
then
you
know
moving
forward
with
that.
Accordingly,
I'd
also
like
to
kind
of
internally
clean
up
the
the
look
and
feel
of
the
proclamations
they
look
a
little
dated
like
our
business
cards.
F
We
went
from
those
that
off-white
brown
kind
of
look
to
a
nice
colorful
a
little
more
representative
business
card
and
I'd
like
to
do
the
same
thing
with
the
the
proclamations
and
do
them
in-house.
They
were
previously
being
framed
professionally,
so
to
cut
the
cost
down
on
those
so
that
we
don't
feel
limited
in
that
way
that
we
can
use
that
proclamation
process
when
we
want
to.
So
I
covered
a
lot,
but
welcome
welcome
your
feedback
and
thoughts
on
any
of
those
items.
D
So
when
it
comes
to
speaking
to
the
media,
I
just
I
think,
that's
a
very
ambiguous
term.
You
know:
are
we
talking
when
we're
as
elected
officials,
we
have
to
be
able
to
reach
out
to
our
constituents
and
I
think
that
we
should
be
able
to
reach
out
to
them
by
whatever
process
is
necessary,
whether
it's
social
media,
whether
it's
the
news
outlets,
whether
it's
any
kind
of
you
know
printed
publication
or
what
have
you.
H
You
know,
I
think
I'm
used
to
what
what's
been
done
in
the
past
and
that
is
passing
passing
media
requests
off
to
the
city
manager
and
and
the
and
the
mayor
I
mean
I
I
don't
mind
talking
to
the
media,
but
I
guess
I
I
tend
to
want
to
be
a
little
careful
about
saying
something
that
may
be
perceived
as
the
position
of
the
council
as
a
whole
when
you
know
I'm
just
a
single
council
person,
so
that's
why
I
do
feel
a
little
more
comfortable
handing
things
off
to
the
mayor.
H
So
that's
just
that's
my
personal
feeling
about
it,
because
I
do
think
that
people
do
perceive
the
comments
as
being
related
to
the
position
of
the
council.
So
that's
that's
just
my
that's
my
feeling
on
it.
I
have
some
comments
that
I
want
to
make
too
but
I'll.
I
can
make
my
comments
with
regard
to
these
processes
and
stuff
after
we've
finished
discussing
the
things
that
chris
brought
up.
G
Thank
you.
I
agree
with
sandy
I'm
comfortable
with
the
way
that
we
have
done
it
in
the
past,
with
the
city
manager
and
the
mayor
speaking
on
behalf
of
the
city,
it
makes
sure
that
the
lines
of
communication
stay
clear
and
also
they're
in
constant
communication
all
week
long,
so
they
are
far
more
knowledgeable
about
some
of
the
intricacies
of
the
issues.
G
Now
I
can,
I
understand,
dan's
perspective
on
wanting
to
reach
out
to
your
constituents,
but
I
don't
think
that
we
need
to
go
to
the
major
news
outlets
to
be
able
to
do
so.
So
I
like
these,
like
the
tv
stations
and
the
times
union
and
such
you
know
just
on
social
media
as
yourself
that
that's
not
perceived
as
you
speaking
on
behalf
of
the
city,
that's
on
your
own
social
media
network,
but
I
like
the
the
continuity
and
message.
G
I
also
have
a
fear
of
grandstanding,
not
necessarily
with
this
council,
but
with
future
councils,
where,
if
you
have,
let's
say
say,
hypothetically
lines
get
redrawn,
and
now
you
have
two
sitting
council
members
running
against
each
other
in
the
in
a
race,
and
I
could
see
that
they
could
be
stepping
on
each
other
to
it
and
at
the
to
the
detriment
of
the
city
trying
to
get
their
own
positions
out.
G
So
I
am
more
comfortable
with
it
being
streamlined
as
one
voice
when
it
comes
to
speaking
on
behalf
of
the
city
or
when
it's
perceived
that
you're
speaking
on
behalf
of
the
city.
If
it's
social
media
things
like
that,
you
know
you're,
you
you're
your
representative,
you
you
represent
the
people
that
you
represent.
We
all
have
our
things,
but
I'm
just
weary
of
all
of
us,
starting
to
speak
on
behalf
of
the
city.
J
No,
I
agree
with
counselor
dan
to
an
extent
as
well
with
counselor
dumont
golden
and
mayor
hoffman,
the
news
outlets,
just
as
how
mayor
was
saying
they
reached
out
to
her
before
I
was
elected
to
recover.
The
news
were
always
reaching
out
to
me,
but
I
was
speaking
as
a
person.
J
I
was
just
on
tv
on
the
news
a
couple
of
weeks
ago
and
the
question
that
I
asked
the
reporter
is:
do
you
want
me
to
speak
as
a
business
owner
at
downtown
or
as
a
council
member
and
she
said
both?
I
just
said
that
I
can
only
speak
as
a
business
owner
and
I
don't
know
the
procedures
of
you
know,
dealing
with
the
news
and
and
now
that
I
know
I
guess
I'll
just
send
it
to
to
you
to
the
manager
and
to
the
mayor,
I'm
sure
in
the
future.
J
There
will
be
some
issues
that
I
would
probably
like
to
say
something
if
it
involves
the
central
business
district
area.
But
I
guess
we
will
cross
that
bridge
once
once
once
we
get
there,
but
it
would
be
nice
to
talk
to
the
people,
sometimes
not
grandstanding,
but
you
know
getting
involved
with
the
community
and
letting
them
know
that
we're
here
representing
them.
That's
it.
I
Well,
I
guess
I'm
gonna
have
to
cancel
that
big
interview
I
had
with
cnn
plan,
but
all
kidding
aside,
you
know.
I
completely
agree
that
if
it's
a
city
issue,
it
needs
to
be
deferred
to
our
mayor
and
city
manager
so
that
they
have
the
proper
information
to
talk
about
the
issue.
I
You
know,
I
think
mayor
hoffman,
you
did
a
great
job
on
the
recent
interviews,
so
you've
represented
our
city
very
well
and
will
continue
to
do
so,
and
I'm
do
not
want
to
be
talking
to
the
media
about
margaritaville
I'd
rather
much,
rather
that
be
our
mayor
and
city
manager
and
also
just.
I
think
it
makes
the
lines
clear
because
we
do
have
in
our
ethics
that
we
don't
take
our
public
opinions.
I
If
we
disagree
on
a
vote
or
an
issue
to
the
media,
and
so
I
think
if
there's
one
singular
voice
going
out
there,
it
keeps
that
very
clear,
so
yeah
support
that.
E
I'm
completely
fine
with
with
mayor,
hoffman
and
and
city
manager.
Mike,
are
you
guys
taking
the
lead
on
this,
but
I
do
but
I
mean
I
also
don't
have
a
problem
with
fernando
as
a
business
owner.
If
he's
asked
to
be
on,
if
he
has
asked
about
something
related
to
his
business,
I
don't
really
come
with
him
doing
that
as
long
as
it's
not
a
a
city,
if
he's
not
coming
from
a
city
perspective,
he's
coming
from
a
business
owner,
you
know
I
get
asked
for
engineering
stuff.
I
I
decline.
E
I
just
assume
not
do
it,
but
I
think
chris
does
a
fantastic.
I'm
sorry,
mayor
hoffman
does
a
fantastic
job
with
the
media
and
I
I
feel
completely
fine
with
her
taking
the
lead
on
all
that
and
pushing
every
request
to
her.
A
Okay,
is
this
something
that
you
would
like
us
to
work
up
a
new
segment
for
the
legislative
policies
manual
or
an
amendment
to
the
lpm?
I'm
seeing
heads,
not
okay,
so
we
will
do
the
lpm,
for
that.
Did
any
of
the
council
have
any
comments
or
questions
with
regards
to
mayor
hoffman's
proposal
about
cleaning
up
the
proclamations
and
or
the
wave
maker
award.
E
I
agree
with
her.
I
don't
think
we
need
a
to
pay
for
actual
awards.
I
think
something
printed
and
nice
is
is
fine,
I
don't
know.
Is
there
any
kind
of
what
is
it
a
trademark
or
anything
that
did
anybody
take
a
trademark
on
the
wave
maker
thing
from
the
people
that
developed
it?
Do
we
need
to
rename
it
or
do
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
not
going
to
get
sued
by
whoever
developed
it?
E
But
I,
but
I
I
do
think
that
it's
I
I
mean
I
do
think
for
the
people
that
are
really
doing
stuff
for
the
public
as
long
as
it's
not
used
politically
to
to
give
it
to
friends
or
people
that
have
politically
supported
you.
I
think
it's
fine.
I
think
that
that's.
I
could
see
that
being
a
problem.
G
I
just
wanted
to
follow
up
on
corey's
thing.
I
think
it
was
curtis
loftus
who
did
the
design
of
that?
I
don't
know
if
he
trademarked
it.
I
know
deck.
The
chairs
is
trademarked,
but
I
don't
know
what
that
is.
So
you
just
might
want
to
check
with
curtis
just
to
be
on
the
safe
side
to
make
sure
it's
not,
and
if
it
is.
H
F
I
I
welcome
recommendations
from
the
council,
so
I
I'm
certainly
open
to
that.
E
I'm
not
sure
who's
next,
but
in
the
in
the
past
it
did
say
it
was
from
the
mayor
and
city
council,
and
I
think
you
know
we
need
to
be
in
agreement
of
who
we're
going
to
get
who
we're
giving
it
to.
E
A
That's
a
that's
a
that's
a
good
question.
Would
council
be
okay
with
the
mayor
and
I
working
up,
maybe
a
draft
proposal
or
how
the
wave
maker
award
would
actually
be
awarded.
G
F
I
think
honestly
corey,
I
think
one
of
the
challenges
that
we
ran
into
wasn't
necessarily
with
the
wave
maker
award
but
was
with
the
resolution
or
proclamation
that
came
with
it
and
the
wording
that
did
include
city
council,
but
city
council
did
not
have
anything
to
do
with
that
awarding
and
it
became
a
little
bit
of
a
firestorm.
F
So
I
I
don't
think
yeah
I
mean
if
I
give
an
award
and
it
has
my
you
know
it's
me.
That's
one
thing,
then
that's
a
decision
that
I
can
make.
But
if,
if
it
says
city
council,
then
I
totally
agree
that
you
guys
should
have
some
sign
off
on
that
and
that
doesn't
necessarily
have
to
be
anything
formal,
but
at
least
a
consensus
that
the
city
council
supports.
It.
F
I
F
Already
get
it,
but
we
we
had
to
jump
the
gun
for
their
river
city
live
improv.
I
tried
to
do
it
this
week
to
let
them
promote
it.
This
week
after
we
had
this
conversation,
but
again
I
figured
this
was
a
safe
one.
This
was
probably
non-controversial
so
I
went
ahead
and
did
it.
A
And
if
if
council
is
okay,
I
think
when
the
mayor-
and
I
talk
about
the
process
for
reward
of
that-
we
could
probably
also
talk
about
and
create
a
draft
policy.
With
regards
to
the
proclamation
process,
I
can
tell
you
right
now
that
if
we
wanted
to
put
three
proclamations
on
every
agenda
for
every
meeting
during
the
course
of
the
year,
we
could
figure
out
how
to
do
it-
everything
from
telecommunicators
week
to
lineman's
week
to
public
safety
week.
A
Obviously
you
could
also
do
recognition
of
individuals
within
the
community,
but
right
now
there
is
no
process
and
there
is
no
rhyme
or
reason
to
how
it's
actually
conducted.
Sometimes
it's
just
you
know
I'll
be
talking
with
the
public
works
director
and
he'll,
say,
oh
by
the
way,
it's
a
clean
water
week.
Okay,
let's
do
a
proclamation
for
clean
water
week
and
you
get
all
of
the
language
from
awwa
or
other
agencies.
A
F
H
D
E
E
E
Come
up
with
something
that's
a
little,
a
little
more
condensed
and
read
them.
E
No,
I
like
that,
that's
completely
fine,
we've
read
them
over
and
over
again,
and
I'd
rather
you
know
time
is
time
is
valuable.
H
I
have
a
few
things,
maybe
the
first
one
to
start
with,
has
to
do
with
council
agenda
documents
that
we
receive
mike,
and
I
talked
about
this
and
it
if
you
think
about
the
when
we
receive
ordinances
that
we're
working
on-
and
you
know
we
have
several
iterations
and
like
with
the
chapter
five
changes
that
we've
been
looking
at
for
the
last
several
months.
I'd
like
to
ask
that
we
have
are
that
the
council.
H
Does
the
council
support
an
expectation
that
we
receive
a
version
of
the
of
the
ordinance
or
whatever
it
is
with
some
kind
of
markup,
so
that
we
can
tell
what
has
changed
between
the
last
time?
We
saw
the
document
so,
for
example,
with
chapter
five
like
what
like
what
I
sent
to
mike
and
then
he
shared
to
the
rest
of
the
council.
H
A
G
Thank
you.
I
agree
with
that
because
when
I
get
these
changes,
I
end
up
opening
two
word
documents
and
I
do
a
file
merge,
so
I
can
see
what's
shifted
from
one
to
the
other,
and
I
don't
know
if
everybody
does
that,
but
the
end
goal
should
be
us
having
the
information.
We
need
to
be
able
to
make
good
decisions
if
we
can
get
that
information
quicker
without
having
to
do
the
merges
and
all
that.
That
would
be
very
time
con
time.
H
And
might
I
add
to
for
the
benefit
of
the
citizens
as
well,
because
that's
something
that
you
know
I
think
it
it
would
be.
H
J
I
Stokes,
I
think
it's
great
whether
to
do
that
or
like
a
bullet
point
of
changes.
I
my
only
concern
mike
is,
is
the
detriment
on
staff
time
to
to
do
this
is
that
a
very
gonna
cost
the
staff
a
lot
of
time
that
may
take
them
or
is
it?
Is
it
just
showing
us
a
red
line
document
bullet
points?
A
B
You
know.
I'd
say
that
I
draft
70
to
80
percent
of
it
myself
for
most
ordinances
and
then
gets
half
staff
contribute
the
other
30
to
20
percent.
The
exceptions
are
very
large
overall
total
revision
of
chapters
that
apply
to
a
department
so,
for
example,
animal
code
that,
of
course,
the
animal
control
officers
deserve
a
lot
of
credit
for
50
or
more
of
the
writing
of
that
ordinance.
B
So
if
an
ordinance,
for
example,
is
going
to
end
up
taking
us
15
pages,
we'll
work
on
page
number,
seven
and
nine
in
a
set
of
emails
and
then
you
know
I'll
receive
something
from
the
staff
member
and
then
I'll
cut
and
paste
and
bring
it
in.
So
it's
a
big
working
project
but
elise-
and
I
will
put
our
heads
together-
we'll
figure
out
how
to
get
a
redline
copy
to
all
council
members.
So
it
shows
the
changes
of
what
the
current
ordinance
is
and
what
the
red
line
version
and
proposed
changes
are.
B
But
councillor
stokes.
I
would
suggest
that
well
to
all
council
members,
we
can
definitely
provide
you,
the
redline
version,
but
I
I'm
hesitant
to
include
on
well
I'll,
take
city
council's
direction
on
how
to
do
this,
but
for
an
agenda
item.
The
agenda
item,
of
course,
is
seeking
approval.
You
know
typically
seeking
approval
by
city
council
for
a
particular
ordinance
and
then
setting
that
ordinance
for
a
second
reading.
B
We
can
attach
the
redline
version
to
that
as
well,
but
mike
has
had
a
established,
a
good
policy
where
he's
trying
to
minimize
the
number
of
documents
that
are
attached
to
the
public
agenda,
of
course,
not
for
reasons
of
not
wanting
to
disclose
it
to
the
public,
but
for
reasons
of
just
trying
to
keep
the
agenda
relatively
smaller,
so
I
I
just
was
getting
some
input
would
like
to
get
some
input
from
the
council
members.
You
know
when
we
have
very
large
rewrites.
B
You
would
end
up
seeing
an
entire
redline
version,
which
is
exceptionally
long
because
it's
double
and
then
the
clean
version,
which
is
what
we're
seeking
for
approval
that
ultimately
the
mayor
would
sign
the
clerk
would
attest
to
and
which
would
be.
You
know
honestly
up
to
munich,
and
that
would
be
the
could
have
codified
law
on
the
books.
I
Chris,
just
to
follow
up
and
and
also
for
councilmember
golding.
If
this
it
would
work,
it
would
bullet
points
be
what
kind
of
like
what
we
got
today
on
the
charter
review
would
something
like
that
be
less
time
consuming
same
amount
or,
and
would
that
you
know
even
help
that
kind
of
goes
to
counselor,
golding
and
but
just
you
know,
from
a
staff
perspective.
Would
that
help
or
not.
B
It
would
help
with
staff
time
and
this
in
the
efficiency
of
staff,
time
for
smaller
ordinances,
but
the
the
larger
ones.
It
would
actually
serve
council
better
if
you
saw
the
red
line,
because
that
takes
more
the
a
long,
developed
revision
and
rewrite
a
red
line,
really
helps
councils,
see
it.
I
wouldn't
do
it.
B
I
wouldn't
be
able
to
do
it
proper
justice
for
you
in
a
bullet
point,
because
I'd
only
be
giving
you
bits
and
pieces
and
a
snapshot,
but
with
the
true
red
line,
counselor
stokes,
you
would
get
to
be
able
to
see
them
side
by
side
or
just
take
up.
Take
the
red
line,
and
every
word
from
the
ordinance,
that's
being
changed,
you'll
be
able
to
read
it
so,
but
I
appreciate
that
suggestion,
but
to
serve
you
better,
I
would
suggest
a
red
line
version.
I
Based
on
that,
I
would
suggest
the
the
red
line
for
my
personal,
the
red
line
for
the
big
ones
and
the
bullet
points
for
the
the
short
ones,
and
that
would
be.
That
would
be
my
suggestion
and.
B
So,
just
to
advise
council
we
on
the
march
first
meeting,
we
have
two
ordinances
that
are
going
to
be
placed
before
you
ordinance
on
the
ila
cra,
tiff
reduction,
refund
and
and
notice.
The
false
claims
and
fraudulent
claims
ordinance
that
I've
drafted
to
help
protect
the
city
better.
I
don't
have
redline
versions
of
either
of
those
for
the
march
first,
but
the
ordinance
on
the
tiff
actually
would
wouldn't
be
an
ordinance
that
takes
sections
of
the
existing
code.
B
That's
an
ordinance
as
part
of
the
step
that
we're
doing
to
initiate
the
ila
in
our
local
agreement.
So
I
drafted
that
as
a
procedural
step.
City
council
would
approve
the
ordinance
and
therefore
the
adopt
and
adopt
and
approve
the
ila.
That
is
part
of
the
ordinance.
So
I
won't
have
a
redline
version
for
you
on
that.
That's
a
straightforward
draft
ordinance
and
I
don't
have
a
redline
version
of
the
notice
of
false
claims.
B
That's
a
topic
that
I've
created
for
you
and
you'll
see
that
in
your
agenda
to
help
with
finance
and
purchasing
and
procurement,
fraudulent
claims
and
false
claims,
and
also
procedures
to
that,
claimants
must
follow
if
they
want
to
bring
this
lawsuit
against
us.
I
don't
have
a
redline
version
of
that,
but
if
it's
okay
with
counsel-
because
that's
again,
that's
a
brand
new
thing
for
us,
but
if
it's
okay
with
council
after
march
1st,
we
can
have
the
redline
versions,
like
I'm
checking
my
board
by
the
way
to
make
sure
I'm
not
missing
anything.
B
H
Hey
chris,
I
I
mean
I.
I
would
think
that
why
not
just
be
consistent
and
do
the
red
line
for
the
smaller
ordinances
too.
To
me,
it
just
seems
like
consistency
would
be,
would
be
important
and
then
the
other
comment
I
wanted
to
make
is
that
you
know
I
was
thinking
about
the
fact
that
you,
you
know
you
do
have
in
in
the
case
of
chapter
five.
H
You've
got
the
animal
control
officers
helping
with
that
legislation,
and
so
I
would
think
it
would
have
would
be
helpful
for
you
too,
to
be
able
to
see
what
has
changed.
So,
if
you,
you
know
if
the
redline
version
is
generated,
I
mean
because
it
really
helped
me
a
lot
when
I
did
the
two
document
comparisons,
but
it
in
all
honesty.
H
What
took
what
took
the
most
effort
for
me
was
to
take
both
of
the
pdf
documents,
convert
each
pdf
document
to
a
word
document,
and
then
once
I
did
that,
then
I
was
able
to
do
the
comparison
in
word
and
it
generated
that
that
red
line
version,
but
it
was
actually
blue.
It
put
everything
that
was
different
in
blue,
so
that
didn't
take
much
time
at
all,
and
but
my
thinking
is
that
it
would
be
nice
to
have
that
and
then
for
the
citizens
to
be
able
to
see
that
too.
H
B
Sure-
and
I
don't
want
to
get
off
topic
too
much,
and
I
don't
want
to
take
too
much
time
with
council
on
the
briefing,
but
I
appreciate
councilwoman
goldman,
but
just
to
give
council
an
idea
of
how
the
how
a
large
ordinance
develops
just
so
very
quickly.
B
I
do
all
the
legal
research
related
to
what
our
what
the
present
condition
is
of
our
ordinance,
the
changes
that
are
needed
and
then
research,
any
suggestions
from
any
governing
bodies
or
other
local
governments
that
may
have
taken
the
lead
on
that
particular
topic
or
just
other
or
other
background
experience
that
I
have
so
I
started
to
put
it
together.
B
B
That
that
results
in
multiple
conferences
and
and
and
part
of
it
is
that
we
just
can't
meet
all
day
long
because
we're
all
being
pulled
in
a
million
directions
so
we'll
just
we
can
only
fit
in
an
hour
here
or
an
hour
there,
so
it
ends
up
taking
several
weeks
or
sometimes
a
month
or
two
for
us
to
be
able
to
get
our
schedules
coordinated,
bring
to
the
table
all
the
portions
that
we
each
have
worked
on
or
any
contributions
or
any
further
research.
B
So
it's
a
there's,
a
big
mechanism
involved
in
getting
to
that
ordinance.
I
had
a
business
owner.
Local
business
owner
asked
me
or
say
to
me:
how
hard
is
it
to
draft
enormous
just
drafted?
B
B
There's
no
problem,
there's
no
problem,
and
I'm
just
I'm
I'm
seeing
that
it's
gonna
benefit
us
all,
the
staff
and
my
office.
So
we're
gonna,
we're
gonna,
make
it
happen
and-
and-
and
you
know
just
keep
in
mind
that
there
will
be
ordinances-
that
I
won't
have
a
redline
version
on
because
they
may
be
brand
new.
You
know,
in
my
opinion,
there
are
needs
in
our
code
of
ordinances,
that
of
particular
matters
and
topics
that
aren't
covered.
For
example,
the
false
claims
and
you'll
see
that
coming
in
the
next
few
weeks.
B
A
B
A
H
Wanted
to
add
so
I
had
a
question
and
I
think
this
is
something
that
maybe
maybe
this
should
be
in
our
legislative
policies
manual.
But
I
know
in
the
past
we've
had
city
council
member
we've
had
a
city
council
member,
miss
the
city
council
meeting,
and
you
know
I
would
I
asked
mike
you
know:
did
you
know
that
that
council
member
wasn't
going
to
be
at
the
meeting
and
mike
didn't
know?
H
H
Perhaps
something
needs
to
be
in
place
because
for
mike
for
the
city
manager
not
to
know
that
somebody
wasn't
going
to
be
there
or
you
know
for
all
of
the
council
actually
to
kind
of
be
going,
oh
and
and
then
then
you
get
into
the
concern
too,
you
know:
are
you
going
to
have
a
quorum
if
you've
got
several
people
that
are
going
to
be
missing
so,
but
I'd
like
to
see
us
look
at
perhaps
putting
something,
maybe
in
our
policies
that
say
that
we'll
notify
whomever,
if
we're
not
going
to
be
there
and
and
identify
who
that
appropriate
person
would.
A
H
What
was
brought
up
earlier
that
mike
mentioned
about
if
we
are
going
to
represent
or
if
we're
going
to
be
on
a
committee
or
something
I'd
like
to
get
some
clarification
too
about
how
how
we
want
to
plan
to
do
those
updates
on
like,
for
example,
when
I
was
on
the
municipal
administration
committee,
do
we
want
to
have
put
that
put
something
in
the
policies
that
say
that
if
you
represent
on
a
on
a
committee
that
that
we
need
to
make
sure
we
schedule
some
time
in
a
briefing
for
an
update
or
or
that
sort
of
thing,
so
to
make
sure
that
and
and
for
example,
too,
I
think
that
there's
going
to
be,
I
think
mayor
hoffman
mentioned
that
she's
starting
a
hospitality
business
meeting
on
a
regular
basis.
H
Is
there
some
way
that
we
can?
You
know
make
sure
that
there's
updates
on
those
too,
so
that
the
rest
of
the
council
members
know
what's
been
discussed
and
we
know
what
the
concerns
are
or
the
issues
are
with
the
downtown
businesses,
but
maybe
there's
we
need
to
have
something
that
tells
us
how
we
need
to
come
back
to
the
council
with
that
information
and
how
we
need
to
either
get
it
on
a
briefing
agenda
or
whatever
and
then
also.
H
Another
thing
I
had
was
requesting
to
discuss
a
topic
in
a
briefing
too.
How
we
want
to
is
that
something
that
do
we
want
to
have
an
opportunity
say
at
the
end
of
a
council
meeting,
because
this
was
something
we
had
touched
on
in
the
previous
two
years,
that
hey
do
we
want
to
have
some
time
at
the
end
of
a
council
meeting
to
have
some
additional
discussion?
H
Maybe
it's
additional
discussion
based
off
something
that
was
brought
up
in
courtesy
of
floor
to
visitors,
and
maybe
the
council
might
want
to
say
you
know,
that's
a
really
good
topic
about
the
balloons.
You
know
a
balloon
ordinance.
H
F
I
think
in
terms
of
attendance,
we're
all
adults
and
I
would
say
as
a
courtesy
to
the
city
manager,
if
you
can't
make
a
meeting
you
let
him
know,
I
don't
feel
like
that
needs
to
be
a
policy
specifically.
F
But
I
do
agree
if,
especially,
if
there's
the
threat
of
of
not
reaching
a
quorum,
which
I
don't
think,
we've
had
that
in
my
eight
years
on
council.
So
I
don't
foresee
that
with
this
group,
but
I
think
it
is
nice
to
know
if
someone's
going
to
be
absent.
F
I
my
intention,
in
terms
of
people
taking
on
representative
roles
with
different
committees,
and
things
like
that
is
to
have
some
time
at
briefings
where
we
can
do
a
quick
round
robin
for
any
updates.
There
may
be
no
updates.
There
may
be
a
couple,
so
that's
something
that
I
would
think
we
can
just.
F
I
don't
think
that
needs
to
be
a
matter
of
policy,
but
we
can
make
that
a
matter
of
practice
very
easily,
and
I
and
I
agree
that
we
should
do
that.
Opening
up
a
city
council,
the
end
of
a
city
council,
meeting,
we've
kind
of
tried
that
and
kind
of
didn't
go
great.
So
I
would
really
rather
bake
in
time
at
briefings
to
have
some
more
of
that
open
discussion
about
about
policies
and
constituent
comments,
and
things
like
that.
So
we
just
we
just
need
to
start
doing
it.
We've
talked
about
it
again.
F
I
don't
necessarily
think
that
needs
to
be
policy,
and
maybe
we
kind
of
keep
trying
approaches
and
if
something
works
then
maybe
we
can
codify
it
into
a
policy.
But
at
this
point
I
think
we've
we
can't-
and
I
don't
see
us
putting
it
back
on
the
council,
especially
when
we're
addressing
courtesy
of
the
floor
that
happened
that
day,
because
then
we
have
the
issue
of.
F
H
Choice
so
yeah.
I
appreciate
that
mayor
and-
and
I
I
think
I
think,
we're
kind
of
trying
to
figure
things
out
as
we
go,
and
I
I
have
felt,
though,
that
we
have
had
council
briefings
where
we
really
had
no
time
to
bring
up
new
topics,
and
so,
if
we
can,
like
you
say,
bake
bake
some
time
into
our
briefings
so
that
we
can
do
those
round
robins
and
those
updates.
H
And
if
council
members
have
a
new
topic,
they'd
like
to
broach
and
see
if
the
council
had
some
interest
in
pursuing
that
new
ordinance
or
whatever,
whatever
it
may
be,
then
that
would
be
great.
I
just
would
like
for
us
to
have
that
opportunity
to
do
that,
and
I
don't
feel
that
we've
had
it
up
to
this
point
very
well.
G
Thank
you.
I
agree
with
both
of
you,
the
policy
once
we
know
that
something
works
until
we
know
it
works.
Let's
not
keep
messing
with
the
policies,
and
I
really
agree
that
we
have
tried
ways
to
get
things
on
the
agenda
and
we
just
can't
seem
to
get
it
done.
G
We
run
out
of
time
in
our
briefings
at
the
end
of
the
meetings
didn't
work,
then
we're
going
to
have
the
fifth
monday
of
the
month
briefing
for
just
open
conversation
and
that
fell
through
as
well,
and
so
we
still
don't
have
conversations
what
I've
done
in
past
meetings
that
I've
chaired
is
that
on
all
of
the
agendas
right
up
front
after
the
approval
of
minutes
has
always
been
just
every
time
like
standing
items,
and
they
were
always
feedback
and
updates
from
my
members
who
sat
on
other
boards
that
had
to
report
back
to
us
as
a
group
for
our
decision-making
process
and
those
were
the
first
three
after
the
minutes.
G
Something
like
that
for
a
briefing
would
help,
but
then
that
also
puts
a
little
bit
more
onus
on
staff
because
they
already
have
a
whole
bunch
of
stuff
they're
trying
to
parse
out
through
meetings
through
the
briefings.
Briefings
are
what
booked
until
through
may
now,
or
something
like
that.
So
I
don't
know
if
this
is
going
to
require
a
special
meeting
every
month
for
just
council
issues,
because
it's
not
a
fifth
monday
of
every
month,
so
that
would
have
to
be
a
discussion.
I
So
I
think
it's
a
great
idea
to
at
least
have
some
time
to
talk
amongst
one
another,
especially
with
sunshine.
This
is
our
this
is
our
body
to
actually
talk
to
one
another
and
and
do
so
in
the
public
forum
so
to
set
aside
and-
and
we
you
know-
we
mentioned
trying
it
at
the
end
of
a
meeting.
Maybe
if
we
set
aside
30
minutes
at
the
beginning
and
and
like
the
I
believe
is
cliff
said
it
that's
our
time,
stick
to
it.
I
30
minutes
done
it's
on
to
the
next
topic
and
try
to
do
that.
Every
meeting
hope.
Maybe
that
would
work.
I
did
like
the
committee
representation,
and
I
know
it's
not
an
official
committee
yet,
but
you
know
I
was
working
on
just
a
little
write
up
on
the
blue
zones
for
for
to
send
via
email,
send
it
obviously
through
the
official
channels
to
the
city
manager
first,
but
just
so
everybody
who
wasn't
able
to
clue
in
on
the
the
meeting
could
have
some
background
knowledge.
I
So
you
know,
I
do
you
know,
think
that's
a
good
idea
to
let
people
know
kind
of
what's
going
on
and
get
the
and
have
a
sharing
of
information
that
we
can
do
so
in
in
the
appropriate
sense,
with
as
applicable,
to.
B
And
if
you
employ
that
consent
agenda,
then
we
can
add
more
items
to
the
briefing
and
if
council
wants
one
of
the
items
to
be
any
of
the
opportunities
for
discussion
or
whatever
it
is,
you
want.
I
just
wanted
to
remind
you
that
we
can
have
that
consent
agenda,
an
example
being
when,
for
example,
we
have
four
or
five
minutes
for
approval.
B
My
clients
are
having
to
walk
through
all
five
minutes,
they're
going
to
approve
all
five
minutes
because
they
all
the
minutes
were
acceptable
and
you
did
and
but
we
wasted
or
we
utilized
15
minutes
or
it
felt
like
10
or
15
minutes,
and
I
thought
boy
they
could
have
covered
something
else
in
those
10
or
15
minutes,
and
we
could
have
knocked
all
that
out
in
a
second
another
one.
Just
quick
example
is
you
know.
Recently
I
drafted
chapter
24,
repeal
chapter
24..
B
A
Okay,
thank
you.
Chris
mayor
nichols
followed.
E
I
did
think
we
had
a
process
if
we
wanted
to
get
something
added
to
one
of
these
meetings,
then
you
know
we
can
email
you
and
get
an
item
added
to
a
meeting.
I
don't
think
you
know
if
we
I
I
don't
know
if
it's
if
we
can
determine
you
know
or
make
a
list
and
and
check
it
off.
I
mean
I
don't
really
know
if
we
want
to
go
into
a
meeting
with
without
a
very
set
schedule,
or
you
know
I
mean
more
than
you
know
I
don't
want
to.
E
A
Yes
and
now,
okay,
let
me
let
me
give
a
little
background
to
that.
You
know
we
have.
We
have
two
different
types
of
of
meetings
that
we
have.
We
have
the
regular
council
meeting
and
we
have
the
briefings
in
the
briefings
in
my
understanding
of
how
this
organization
has
treated
the
briefings
is
when
the
city
manager
needs
to
relay
information
to
the
council
and
the
council
meetings
are
when
you're
taking
formal
action
on
any
given
items.
A
A
If
an
individual
council
member
were
to
contact
me
and
say,
can
you
please
add
a
briefing
item
for
the
following
topic?
My
response
would
would
traditionally
be.
We
need
to
figure
out,
if
there's
a
consensus,
to
put
this
item
on
a
briefing
topic,
because
I
don't
want
to
set
the
precedent
that
any
time
a
council
member
contacts
me
with
a
thought
of
what
they
want
to
talk
about
at
a
briefing
that
I'm
automatically
adding.
A
So
I
do
like
the
concept
of
setting
up
some
time
for
council
to
bet
their
own
thoughts
on
what
should
be
included
at
future
briefings,
but
for
the
most
part,
what
you're
seeing
are
items
that
are
specifically
going
through
me
that
I
feel
best
interest
for
council
to
focus
their
time
on
and
to
give
some
very
specific
direction
to
us
as
staff
how
we
should
proceed
now.
That
also
leads
to
the
issue
of
council
agendas
for
formal
meetings.
A
So
so,
really
I'm
looking
for
some
guidance
from
you,
as
as
the
council,
as
the
sitting
body
of
how
you
have
that
input
into
the
council
briefing
topics
whether
you
want
to
have
some
time
set
aside
at
the
briefings,
whether
you
want
to
do
it
at
meetings,
but
everything
you're
seeing
up
to
this
point
in
time
is
pretty
much
the
city
manager's
discretion
and
I
don't
want
to
create.
A
E
So
if
somebody
wanted
to
add
a
topic,
they
sent
you
and
they
send
you
an
email.
You
would
distribute
it
individually
to
us
and
ask
us
if
we
wanted
it
to
be
added
to
it
and
if
the
majority
of
people
say
they
want
that
added
to
it,
you,
wouldn't
you
just
add
that
when
you
do
it
that
way,
wouldn't
that
be.
A
E
A
Way
that
that
would
not
be
the
preferred
method,
specifically
from
the
perspective
that
city
managers
are
supposed
to
they're,
not
supposed
to
pull
the
board
behind
the
scenes,
but
certainly,
if
there's
a
a
list
of
topics
that
are
provided
to
me
by
individual
council
members,
I
can
certainly
bring
it
up
at
a
briefing
and
say
I
received
three
requests
from
three
different
council
members.
A
So
what
do
you
all
think
of
that
for
a
methodology
of
a
council
member
reaching
out
to
me
with
an
idea
for
a
briefing
topic
and
then
me
bringing
it
to
the
briefing
and
basically
saying
this
council
member
contacted
me.
This
is
the
topic
and
let's
talk
about
it
and
see
if
you
want
a
full
briefing
on
the
item,
I
like
that.
H
A
Where,
where
I
came
from,
it
was
done
at
the
end
of
regular
council
meetings,
they
went
around,
they
went
round
robin
to
each
council
member
and
they
either
did
a
happy
birthday
or
thank
you
to
this
organization,
and
occasionally
you
would
have
a
council
member.
That
would
say.
H
And
that's
what
they
they
do
that
in
atlantic
beach,
which
is
why
I
brought
it
up
just
to
to
do
it
at
the
end
of
a
council
meeting.
But
I
understand
the
the
concerns
with
doing
that
at
the
end
of
a
council
meeting,
which
is
why
I
would
be
okay
with
doing
it
in
a
designated
time.
At
a
briefing.
A
We
can
certainly
give
that
a
shot
of
trying
it
at
the
end
of
council
briefings,
maybe
not
necessarily
starting
with
today's
based
on
the
time
but
but
with
a
future
briefing,
and
maybe
we
make
that
the
first
item,
rather
than
the
last
item
we
reserve
10
minutes
or
15
minutes
and
whatever
we
can
get
done
in
that
15
minutes
for
briefing
items.
Then
we
dive
into
the
rest
of
the
agenda.
G
Mike
I
actually
sandy
brought
up
a
good
point
and
you
mentioned
it
the
coupling
and
we
were
used
where
in
largo
we
used
to
be
if
we
did
it
at
the
end
of
a
briefing.
But
it's
not
a
we're
not
having
a
meeting
at
the
end
of
the
briefing
it's
I'd
like
to.
Is
there
a
consensus
to
bring
up
this
topic?
But
you
don't
talk
about
the
topic
because
nobody
knows
about
the
topic
until
the
briefing,
so
I
think
it's
it.
G
A
Correct
correct:
we
could
either
do
it
at
the
beginning
of
the
briefing
or
the
ending
of
the
briefing,
but
we
can
certainly
add
it
as
an
agenda
item
onto
each
briefing.
So
that
way
there
is
time
carved
out
for
it,
and
everyone
knows
it's
on
the
agenda,
so
we
can
certainly
give
that
a
shot
going
forward.
F
I
just
as
we're
talking
and
reflecting
back
on
kind
of
where
we've
come.
I
know
especially
for
the
new
members.
F
It
probably
seems
like
we
spent
a
lot
of
time
talking
about
how
we're
going
to
talk
about
things
and
that's
true,
but
I
really
think
that
these
are
processes
that
we
are
going
to
be
able
to
put
in
place
see
if
they
work
and
and
put
them
in
place
for
the
long
haul,
because
even
these
briefings
being
on
the
opposite
weeks
of
our
council
meetings
is
new
even
having
a
briefing
right
before
the
council
meetings
was
relatively
new
and
those
were
always
rushed
at
the
end
and
we
never
really
had
a
chance
to
just
kind
of
open
it
up
and
talk
like
this.
F
So
so
we've
we've
come
a
long
way,
and
I
just
want
to
reassure
you
guys
that
we
are
making
progress
and
and
hopefully,
as
we
spend
less
time,
talking
about
how
we're
going
to
talk
we'll
have
more
time
to
to
to
put
in
these
other
items
that
we're
talking
about
now.
So
hang
in
there,
and
I
would
also
say
we
have
the
announcement
period
during
our
meeting.
That
I
would
fully
encourage
you
to
utilize
there's.
You
know
you
have
to
be
a
little
cautious.
F
There's
been
some
criticism
of
using
that
time
to
self-promote,
but
I
think
that
you
guys
are
all
doing
things
out
in
the
community
that
even
your
fellow
council
members
might
not
know
about.
So
I
would
encourage
you
to
share
that
during
the
announcement
time
it's
already
on
the
agenda,
it's
already
a
process
that
we
have
in
place.
The
other
item
that
I
wanted
to
mention
that
I
forgot
in
my
little
listing
of
all
the
items
is
the
time
of
our
regular
meetings.
F
It's
explicitly
stated
that
they
are
at
seven
pm
on
the
first
and
third
monday
of
each
month.
I
would
prefer
to
take
out
the
specific
time
and
say
something
like
at
a
time
conducive
to
citizen
involvement,
because
I
have
heard
a
lot
of
people
say
that
they
prefer
6
p.m.
I
personally
do
and
I've
heard
citizens
say
that
some
of
our
active
citizens
say
that.
So
I
think
that
we
need
to
leave
ourselves
some
discretion
there
and
not
have
it
tied
to
to
seven
o'clock
in
our
in
our
ordinances.
A
Thank
you
mayor,
and
I
I
would
also
point
out
that
you
know
you
made
reference
to
the
fact
that,
right
now
the
briefings
are
occurring
on
the
second
and
fourth
with
the
meetings
on
the
first
and
third.
A
The
only
reason
that
we're
able
to
have
the
meetings
at
the
6pm
time
is
because
we're
currently
still
in
a
declared
state
of
emergency
at
some
point,
that
declaration
will
go
away
and
we
will
be
forced
by
ordinance
to
move
those
meetings
back
to
seven
o'clock
unless
there
is
a
change
in
our
code
of
ordinances
to
stipulate
either
no
time
or
a
different
time.
A
A
I
think
the
general
feedback-
I've
gotten
from
the
council
at
this
point
is
that
you
like
doing
the
briefings
on
the
second
and
fourth
and
dedicating
more
time
to
it,
and
in
particular
you
like
doing
them
through
zoom,
so
you
can
do
them
from
the
location
of
your
preference
you're
not
voting
on
anything.
We
are
having
discussions,
we're
able
to
have
consultants
from
outside
agencies
weigh
in
etc.
A
So
the
I
guess
the
question
for
you
all
is:
what
do
you
think
of
the
mayor's
proposal
of
changing
that
ordinance
to
eliminate
the
time
and
put
in
some
language
about
time
that
is
conducive
to
citizens,
input
and,
I
think
well,
I
see
counselor.
I
see
two
three,
I'm
seeing
a
handful
of
people
nod.
I
If
we-
and
I
don't
know
what
time
we're
on
now,
if
it's
daylight
savings
or
not
daylight
savings
whatever
it
is
that
we
do
them
at
six,
but
at
the
other
time,
when
we
have
more
daylight
later
in
the
day,
we
still
do
them
at
seven.
Just
I
don't
know
for
for
those
of
us
that
enjoy
that
do
enjoy
sunshine.
It
is
kind
of
nice
once
again
only
a
thought,
no
idea,
if
that's
feasible,
practical
to
have
them
at
two
different
times
throughout
the
year,
but
I
kind
of
like
that
idea.
So.
H
I
I
have
to
say
chet,
though
I
think
it's
important
to
have
consistency
for
the
citizens.
You
know,
I
think,
if
we
change
it
it,
it
can
be
confusing,
and
I
will
I
will
say
that
our
other
two
beach
sister
cities,
I
think
they
all
meet
starting
at
six.
So
we
wouldn't
you
know
we're
we're
a
little
bit
behind.
Maybe
since
we're
doing
our
meetings
at
seven,
but
I
I'd
be
fine
with
changing
it
to
six,
but
I
also
like
the
idea
of
making
the
language
not
so
limiting.
H
I
I
do
have
one
other
thing
that
I
wanted
to
mention,
and
this
was
brought
up,
but
I
don't
know
is
a
briefing
several
several
several
months
ago
and
I
was
looking
at
our
ordinances
section,
2-36
submittal,
of
agenda
to
members
in
advance,
and
you
know
I
I'd
like
to
I'd
like
to
put
out
there
that
I
would
really.
I
would
really
like
to
see
us
get
the
agenda
earlier
if
we
could,
just
because
when
we
get
the
agenda
thursday
night
and
then
I
you
know,
I
work
all
day.
H
And
so
then
the
input
comes
in
on
monday
and
that's
the
day
of
our
city
council
meeting,
and
I
just
feel
like
it's
it's
very,
it's
very
restrictive
that
we
only
have
you
know
those
days,
those
you
know
friday,
saturday,
sunday
essentially
and
part
of
monday,
to
at
least
contact
staff,
try
to
get
answers
to
questions
and
that
sort
of
thing,
let
alone
the
fact
that
that
you
know
citizens
only
have
that
amount
of
time
to
try
to
digest.
H
What's
on
the
agenda
too-
and
this
has
been
something-
that's
been
a
concern
of
mine
for
a
long
time,
even
when
I
was
coming
to
council
meetings
as
a
citizen
and
and
when
our
boards
get
their
agenda
packets
too,
because
the
boards
are
getting
their
agenda
packets
in
the
same
time
frame,
and
they
have
a
lot
of
things
that
they,
if
your
board
of
adjustment-
and
I
think
dan
would
know-
you
know
from
his
experience,
if
you're
going
to
go
to
visit
all
these
properties
that
are
on
the
board
of
adjustment
agenda.
H
You
know
you've
got
to
work
time
into
your
schedule
to
do
that
and
and
the
weekend
you
know
so
I
I
don't
know
about
everybody
else,
but
I
end
up
spending
my
weekend.
You
know
working
on
the
agenda
and
going
through
the
agenda
packet
and
trying
to
do
all
the
the
research
and
due
diligence
that
that
I
need
to
do
with
each
meeting,
so
I
would
like
to
put
it
out
there.
H
I
I
know
that
I
think
atlantic
beach
gets
their
agendas,
maybe
on
wednesday,
but
then
I
looked
and
st
augustine
just
recently
changed
it
to
where
they're
getting
their
agenda
packets.
On
tuesday,
I
found
a
something
in
the
press
newspaper
article
about
it
to
where
they
changed
it
so
that
they
could
get
their
agenda
packets
earlier.
So
I'd
like
to
put
that
out
there
as
well
as
something
to
discuss
among
the
council.
G
Yeah,
well,
I
agree
best
practices
like
if
you're
on
the
board
of
a
of
an
or
any
other
any
other
organization
other
than
government.
You
need
your
information
a
week
in
advance.
That's
your
best
practices,
your
board
members
have
your
information
a
week
in
advance
and
I'm
not
sure
if
that's
practicable
for
the
city-
and
I
understand
staff
is
always
up
against
the
whatever
that
phrase
is
it's
it's
late
up
against
the
wall?
G
I
guess
is
what
they
say
with
getting
the
agenda
out
just
by
the
thursday,
but
the
wednesday
would
really
be
helpful,
especially
if
we
have
questions
and
we
try
not
to
contact
you
on
weekends.
And
then
you
don't
want
to
contact
your
department
heads
on
weekends.
When
we
have
questions
and
that's
when
we
can
actually
look
at
this
stuff,
so
I
can
stop
sending
you
texts
that
say
in
capital.
Letters
do
not
reply
to
this
until
monday.
G
G
Nichols
that
was
why
I
first
questioned:
is
this
a
thing
for
the
briefing
or
is
this
a
thing
for
a
policy,
so
the
that
I
would
agree
with,
though
possible
wednesday?
I
know
the
monday
would
be
too
much,
but
the
wednesday
would
be
very
helpful.
E
F
I
think
in
terms
of
the
ordinance
it
says
at
least
two
days
prior,
so
I
don't
think
that
we
need
to
change
that,
because
there
is
always
going
to
be
a
tight
turnaround.
I
know
how
much
time
the
staff
spends
putting
these
agendas
together.
So
there
really
is
a
tight
turnaround
from
from
one
meeting's
agenda
to
the
next.
F
I
feel
like
we.
I
think
this
actual
body
has
already
had
this
conversation
about
the
timing,
and
I
think
that
we
were
largely
comfortable
with
the
two
days
prior,
especially
given
how
much
time
is
being
spent
previewing
some
of
the
major
legislation
that
in
advance
at
our
briefing,
so
we
do
have
a
more
opportunity
to
prepare,
so
I'm
very
comfortable
with
the
timing
right
now.
F
I
know
when
I
have
a
council
meeting,
that
I
need
to
set
aside
some
weekend
time
to
go
through
my
book
and
be
ready
with
questions,
so
so
I'm
comfortable
with
it.
I'm
certainly
comfortable
with
leaving
leaving
the
ordinance
as
it
is
since
that
allows
the
flexibility
of
the
at
least
two
days
prior.
H
I
wasn't
suggesting
a
change
in
the
ordinance,
although
mike
had
highlighted
it,
as
that
was
something
that
I
guess
had
been
brought
up
before
and
because
at
least
two
days
prior
covers
you
know
covers
whatever
it
is.
But
my
but
my
point
of
bringing
it
up
was
along
the
lines
of
council
expectations
and
which
I
don't
know
if
it
is
an
actual
policy
but
it
but
to
discuss
a
council
expectation.
That
is
this
something
that
we
could
do
where
we
could
get
the
agenda
earlier.
A
I
could,
if
I
could
offer
up
a
a
recommendation.
A
A
I
think
we
really
need
to
take
a
look
at
that.
But
right
now
the
process
that
we
have
in
place
is
literally
starting
30
days
in
advance
and
we
have
gone
through
the
the
process
of
mapping
it
all
out
on
the
city
calendar
for
all
of
the
department
directors
and
their
administrative
support
staff
to
see
and
be
able
to
follow
for
every
meeting
that
we
have
out
there.
A
So
if
we
were
to
try
and
make
that
adjustment
now
for
the
extra
24
hours,
we
would
need
to
go
into
the
system
and
make
adjustments
on
every
step
for
every
meeting
that
we've
already
put
on
the
calendar,
and
I
think
that
might
throw
a
lot
of
people
off
given
that
we've
just
codified
the
one
we've
got.
So
that
would
be
my
proposal.
But
clearly,
if
council
says
they
want
something,
different
staff
will
smile
and
make
it
happen.
A
I
think
this
was
a
productive
briefing
tonight,
going
going
through
the
three
items
that
we
did.
We've
got
a
little
bit
of
homework
on
our
end
as
staff
of
some
things
to
do,
and
that's
pretty
much
it.
A
Yes,
let
me
just
remind
all
the
council
that
on
saturday
starting
at
nine
o'clock,
we
have
the
strategic
session
with
florida
institute
of
government
occurring
at
parks
and
recreation
in
the
community
center.
Please
feel
free
to
show
up
a
little
bit
earlier
than
nine
o'clock.
Nine
o'clock
is
when
we
will
start
so.
If
you
want
to
get
there
between
8
30
and
quarter
of
nine,
that
would
be
perfect.
A
You
should
have
been
sent
an
email
today,
with
your
request
for
lunch,
we
are
providing
lunch
to
everyone,
as
well
as
some
snacks
and
drinks.
Throughout
the
day
we
have
from
9am
till
4pm
blocked
out
to
work
on
the
first
two
topics,
which
is
creating
a
vision
for
the
community
and
revisiting
the
mission
statement
for
the
organization.
A
Florida
institute
of
government
is
very
excited
about
the
process
and
working
with
us.
I
can
tell
you
that
staff
is
as
well.
We
should
have
representation
from
each
department
there
as
well.
If
not
the
director
than
a
high
ranking
member
of
their
management
team,
it
will
be
casual
dress
in
terms
of
what
we
would
normally
wear
here
at
city
hall
on
fridays.
A
A
A
A
A
The
staff
will
be
in
rows
behind
you
all,
and
then
we
will
have
seats
open
in
the
back
to
the
public.
Because
again
this
is
a
publicly
noticed
meeting.
Any
members
of
the
public
can
show
up
and
listen
for
five
minutes
or
five
hours,
their
call,
but
we
are
not
providing
food
and
beverages
for
those
members
of
the
public
just
for
the
elected
officials
and
staff
that
are
required
to
be
there
councilor
stokes,
I
see
you
have
your
hand
raised
about
followed
by
lamar.
I
Mike,
would
you
please
resend,
have
the
staff
resend
the
vision,
statements
that
you
had
gotten
from
the
workshops
that
you
had
done
with
the
community?
I
can't
remember
where
that
was
in
the.
I
think
it
was
in
a
council
agenda,
or
maybe
it
was
in
a
briefing
but
yeah
we're
just
so
we
can.
I
can
print
it
out
on
my
own,
but
just
so
I
have
it
available
to
print
out.
That
would
be
very
helpful
for
this
meeting.
G
G
Do
you
know
how
the
florida
league
of
cities
I'm
sorry
the
the
florida
institute
is
going
to
be
setting
this
up
like
we
have
to
go
in
there,
because
I
read
through
the
questionnaire
that
they
sent
us
and
that
really
is
getting
at
what
the
visioning
sessions
got
at.
A
I
I
think
that
florida
institute
of
government
in
the
email
that
I
forward
to
you
all
from
jeff
hendry
he's
really
looking
for
your
personal
information
to
answer
those
questions
he's
not
looking
for
a
regurgitation
of
what's
already
been
done
by
the
groups,
he's
looking
for
the
council's
thoughts,
and
I
think
he's
going
to
do
some
introductory
work
to
start
off
the
the
meeting
whereby
he'll
be
talking
about
the
five
layers
so
to
speak,
starting
with
vision,
mission,
values,
goals
and
objectives
and
action
items
and
working
with
the
council
on
the
prioritization
what's
already
been
achieved
and
what
needs
to
be
worked
on
first.
A
So,
in
terms
of
the
format
to
answer
your
question:
counselor
dumont,
if
I
send
it
back
out,
I'm
going
to
send
out
the
same
document
that
I
sent
to
council
before.
I
have
not
manipulated
the
data.
It
does
not
mean
that
mr
hendry
might
not
have
some
key
pieces
in
a
different
format
that
he's
going
to
work
with
council
on
at
that
session.
A
F
I
will
say
justin
having
spoken
with
him
briefly
on
a
call
last
week
that
he's
a
pro
and
I
think
he
said
something
like
he's,
guided,
30
or
so
cities
through
this
process.
So
he
knows
what
he's
doing,
and
I
would
just
say
this
isn't
something
you
have
to
over
prepare
for.
F
I
would
just
come
with
an
open
mind
and
kind
of
let
the
process
work
because-
and
I
said
at
the
end
of
the
call-
I
think,
we're
ready
for
this,
and
I
think
this
is
the
right
time
for
us
to
to
really
start
shaping
this
this
process.
So
I
think
it's
going
to
be
a
really
good
day,
but
I
would
just
say,
come
comfortable
and
bring
an
open.