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A
A
B
B
So
with
that,
you've
all
been
provided
with
a
copy
of
the
full
powerpoint
presentation
from
gardner
carlton
is
going
to
run
through
a
select,
a
selection
of
slides
there
and
I'll
turn
it
over
to
him.
Carlton.
C
Great
thank
you.
Aj
appreciate
those
opening
remarks
and
good
evening.
Everyone,
it's
great
to
see
you
all
again.
As
aj
mentioned,
my
name
is
carlton
mcarthur
and
I'm
the
gartner
consulting
managing
partner.
That
worked
with
you
previously
to
conduct
an
assessment
of
your
erp
implementation
and
we'll
be
working
with
you
moving
forward
as
we
look
to
help
you
with
being
able
to
successfully
implement
the
utility
billing,
as
well
as
hr
and
payroll
modules
moving
forward.
C
C
So,
if
you
recall
going
back
to
to
last
summer,
when
we
did
an
assessment
of
the
tyler
muniz
erp
implementation,
we
provided
a
set
of
recommendations
for
how
the
program
should
be
re-initiated
in
order
to
move
forward
successfully.
Some
of
those
recommendations
included
providing
more
program,
assurance
and
oversight
of
how
the
contractor
was
operating,
putting
in
place
a
new
governance
model,
also
making
sure
that
you
have
clearly
defined
requirements
and
success
criteria
so
that
you
can
effectively
judge
how
well
the
implementation
is
being
executed.
C
Subsequent
to
that,
we
did
prepare
a
proposal
that
not
only
drills
down
those
recommendations
in
further
detail
but
hopefully
provide
you
a
clear
sense
of
what's
required
in
order
to
successfully
restart
the
project,
how
we
would
work
with
you
in
a
very
collaborative
fashion,
as
well
with
tyler,
to
drive
execution
of
this
engagement
and
then
what
it
would
take
from
a
resourcing
perspective
for
us
to
be
able
to
be
able
to
do
this
successfully.
C
So,
as
aj
mentioned,
we're
going
to
walk
you
through
two
major
tasks
that
would
be
necessary
for
the
configuration
and
implementation
of
your
tyler
munis
hr
and
payroll
and
potentially
their
utility
billing
system
or
module.
Should
you
continue
down
the
path
with
them?
So,
as
you
can
see
on
our
slide,
there's
a
synopsis
of
what
each
one
of
these
tasks
will
include,
and
I
will
get
into
the
details
of
that
in
the
subsequent
slides
that
I'll
present
to
you.
C
First
now
we
do
understand
that
you
are
in
the
process
of
bringing
in
new
personnel
that
will
support
your
hr
function
and
knowing
that
you
want
to
get
that
leadership
in
place
before
charging
down
that
path,
we're
going
to
start
with
utility
billing
and
where
you
are
with
utility
billing,
I
would
say,
is
not
very
unique
or
different
with
other
clients
that
have
tried
to
implement
utility
billing
modules.
C
We
see
with
a
number
of
municipalities
that
some
of
the
common
challenges
that
plague
these
projects
are
not
having
sufficient
buy-in
from
the
stakeholders
or
the
business
leadership,
not
having
clearly
defined
requirements,
not
really
knowing
what
you're
buying,
because
that's
not
necessarily
your
business
and
based
on
a
number
of
engagements
of
similar
size,
scope
and
complexity
that
we've
executed.
C
For
other
municipalities,
we
do
have
lessons,
learned,
codified,
best
practices,
as
well
as
other
tangible
assets
that
we
can
bring
in
as
an
accelerator
to
make
sure
that
you're
getting
off
to
a
very
fast
start.
So
we
have
a
five
step
approach
that
we
are
proposing
to
actually
work
with
you
around
utility
billing.
C
I
will
note
that
three
of
these
tasks
are
optional,
depending
on
the
outcome
of
task
one,
so
I
just
like
to
spend
a
few
moments,
giving
you
a
little
bit
of
details
around
our
approach
so
given
where
you
are
with
utility
billing
today,
we
do
understand
that
you
have
some
requirements
that
were
previously
developed
with
tyler.
C
However,
given
the
collective
understanding
around
what
your
those
requirements
were
from
a
business
capability
perspective,
tyler
was
not
able
to
successfully
do
the
configuration
and
subsequent
implementation
of
that
module,
so
we're
going
to
help
you
take
a
step
back
so
first
off
we're
really
going
to
work
with
you
to
define
the
end-to-end
business
capabilities
that
go
into
utility
billing,
be
it
accounts,
payables,
receivables,
payment
methods,
calculation
methods,
what
are
all
of
the
things
that
encompass
the
full
scope
of
utility
billing
and
we're
going
to
document
that
in
what's
called
a
business
capability
model
and
that
business
capability
model
allows
you
to
see
all
of
the
business
functions
that
go
into
utility
billing.
C
So
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we,
we
know
your
business
and
we
capture
the
universe
of
that
business.
But
then
we
want
to
start
capturing
what
are
the
technology
requirements
that
you
need
moving
forward
in
order
for
your
business
to
be
successful,
so
we
would
do
a
gap
analysis
of
the
existing
requirements
that
you
have
today
compare
them
to
requirements
that
we
have
developed
from
other
like
engagements
in
the
past,
to
determine
what
works.
Well,
what
requirements
are
necessary
moving
forward?
C
What
may
need
to
be
abandoned,
because
the
requirements
that
you
have
today
were
developed
three
to
five
years
ago
and
the
market
has
changed
vastly
since
that
point
in
time.
So
we
really
want
to
make
sure
that
there
are
clearly
defined,
concise
business
and
functional
requirements
around
utility
billing.
C
C
And
at
that
point
I
think
the
city
will
have
a
critical
decision
to
make
in
terms
of
does
it
feel
comfortable
with
tyler's
ability
to
meet
those
requirements
or
do
you
need
to
part
ways
with
tyler
and
look
at
acquiring
a
new
utility
billing
solution,
and
I
would
say
that
gartner
has
a
really
good
understanding
of
the
utility
billing
marketplace.
We
understand
the
various
strengths
and
weaknesses
and
in
this
case,
with
with
tyler
around
what
their
module
can
or
cannot
do,
and
we
would
help
you
make
that
decision.
C
If
you
in
fact
decide
to
move
away
from
pilot-
and
I
would
say
that
that
is
not
a
decision
that
needs
to
be
taken
very
lightly,
considering
the
amount
of
time
and
and
money
that
has
been
invested
in
utility
billing
as
it
stands
today.
C
However,
if
there
are
fundamental
gaps
in
regards
to
their
ability
to
meet
your
business
requirements,
then
we
would
advise
you
if,
in
fact,
you
do
need
to
consider
a
different
path
and
if
you
do
need
to
consider
a
different
path,
that's
when
we
would
start
executing
the
optional
task
in
conjunction
with
the
city
and
the
first
off
being
helping
you
develop
a
contracts,
negotiation
strategy
with
the
ultimate
intent
of
either
being
able
to
get
a
refund
from
tyler
because
they
were
not
able
to
successfully
implement
the
utility
billing
module
or,
what's
probably
most
likely,
is
getting
a
credit
for
the
work
that
they
have
done.
C
So
our
understanding
is
the
contract
that
you
have
today
with
tyler
was
front
loaded,
so
you
paid
up
front
or
in
advance
for
the
various
services
that
they
were
supposed
to
provide
in
terms
of
configuring,
the
utility
billing
module
for
the
licensing
fees.
There
was
an
upfront
payment
structure
for
that,
as
well
as
some
of
the
o
m
cost.
So
we
would
really
want
to
delve
into
that
contract
in
detail
to
help
understand
what
are
the
terms
and
conditions
regarding
the
scope
of
utility
billing.
C
What
were
the
cost,
and
then
what
were
the
services
that
were
supposed
to
be
provided
the
focus?
There
is
really
looking
for
how
we
could
exploit
potential
weaknesses
in
their
contracts
and
look
for
areas
where
there
could
be
the
potential
to
hold
them
liable
for
a
default
or
lack
of
services,
provided
those
all
will
all
provide
you
negotiating
leveraging
tactics
for
how
you
would
want
to
work
with
them.
C
If,
in
fact,
you
do
decide
to
move
away
from
tyler
as
your
utility
billing
solution,
as
well
as
the
systems
integrator,
and
we
would
work
with
you
over
the
course
of
approximately
what
we
consider
to
be
three
to
four
weeks
to
help.
You
come
up
with
that
negotiating
strategy
and
tactics
and
a
framework
by
which
you
could
go
into
those
negotiations
with
tyler.
C
It's
also
very
important
to
note
that
gartner
is
not
going
to
be
at
the
negotiating
table
with
the
city.
We
will
be
operating
behind
the
scenes
in
providing
you
input
in
terms
of
how
you
need
to
go
about
doing
that
negotiations
and,
as
you
are
going
back
and
forth
with
tyler,
we
will
be
providing
you
guidance
and
input
along
the
way
to
help
you
to
maintain
your.
Hopefully,
your
your
advantage
or
your
strong
position
from
a
negotiation
standpoint,
the
duration
that
you
see
there
being
approximately
three
to
four
weeks.
C
That's
what
we
estimate
is
the
time
that
would
be
required
for
gartner
to
provide
you
the
support,
not
necessarily
the
negotiation
time
frame.
C
Overall,
that's
going
to
be
dependent
upon
how
frequently
you
can
engage
with
tyler
the
amount
of
time
that
it
may
take
your
or
the
city's
procurement
and
or
legal
teams
to
look
at,
let's
say
feedback
from
tyler
feedback
on
there
as
well.
So
there's
going
to
be
some
back
and
forth,
but
all
that
being
said,
that's
not
to
represent
the
entire
period
of
time
that
it
would
take
for
the
overall
negotiations,
and
then
we
can
also
work
with
you
to
create
the
rfp
bid
package
or
solicitation
and
steps.
C
Two
and
three
can
in
fact
be
done
in
parallel,
and
I
would
recommend
that
you
do
so
so
that
you
can
collapse
the
amount
of
time
that
it
actually
takes
to
execute
this
phase
of
the
project.
C
So
what
we
would
do
is
work
with
you
to
actually
develop
a
solicitation
that
you
can
take
to
market
to
understand
what
providers
may
be
able
to
meet
your
requirements
in
the
best
manner
possible,
and
this
would
be
a
combined
rfp
bid
package
or
solicitation.
C
That
would
be
for
the
acquisition
of
a
utility
billing
software
solution,
as
well
as
a
systems
integrator,
and
we
go
to
market
with
the
combined
solicitation,
because
we
we
often
see
that
systems
integrators
want
to
bring
in
the
solution
that
they
think
is
best
suited
for
your
requirements
as
opposed
to
having
a
solution
prescribed
to
them.
We
also
see
in
this
marketplace
that
you
do
have
providers
and
the
systems
and
or
the
actual
rf,
the
actual
utility
billing
solution
being
provided
all
in
one.
C
So
one
example
is
a
company
that
we've
worked
with
in
the
past
is
called
cogsdale
and
that's
not
to
endorse
them,
but
they
do
that.
They
do
their
own
implementation
and
that
that
is
the
niche
that
they
have
and
in
the
instance
that
we're
currently
working
tyler
is
doing
the
configuration
of
their
own
solution.
So
we
don't
decouple
those
two
based
upon
the
reasons
that
I
just
noted.
C
So
we
would
work
with
you
to
develop
the
package
once
the
rfp
bid
package
goes
out.
C
If
there
are
questions
that
the
proposers
may
have,
we
would
actually
work
with
you
to
craft
responses
to
those
questions,
and
once
we
get
the
rfp
bid
package
back
in
terms
of
proposals,
we
could
go
into
what
we
call
vendor
evaluation
and
selection.
C
Looking
at
the
technical
feasibility
of
the
solution
that
they're
proposing
looking
at
the
pricing
so
that
we
get
a
apples
to
apples
comparison
and
making
sure
that
you're
getting
the
same
solution,
so
we
would
look
at
the
bill
of
materials
that
they
would
provide
you
to
make
sure
that
it
encompassed
all
of
the
same
technical
specs,
that
it
encompassed
the
same
scope
of
work
and
also
making
sure
that
it
is
going
to
meet
your
business
requirements.
D
D
Yes,
question,
one
is:
did
you
say
how
long
tyler
was
overdue
on
reaching
their
project
goal
with
the
billing.
C
I
I
I
didn't
say
how
long
they
were
overdue.
If
I
remember
correctly,
the
utility
billing
module
was
supposed
to
go
live
in
2000,
I
mean
aj.
You
might
want
to
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
here,
but
I
think
it's
about
three
years
past
due
the
actual
implementation
or
the
proposed
implementation
date.
Initially.
D
Okay,
hey
chris,
have
you
had
a
chance
to
look
at
our
contract
with
tyler
by
chance.
E
I
have-
and
I
did
that
several
months
ago,
but
recently
started
to
look
at
it
again.
Just
as
aj
approached
me
approached
me
with
gartner's
presentation
information,
but
I
have
not
had
the
chance
to
look
at
it
in
detail,
as
I
did
five
six
months
ago,.
E
But
but
council
jansen,
let
me
add
that
everything
that's
been
spoken
about
so
far
is
very
encouraging
if
it
gets
to
the
point
where
under
item
two
of
the
support
approach,
contract
review
and
negotiation,
I
was
very
encouraged
to
hear
what
was
just
presented,
because
that's
that
sounds
like
good
teamwork.
If
we
do
get,
if
council
wants
us
to
proceed
that
way,
so
thank
you.
Okay.
Thank
you.
C
Okay,
so
once
you've
selected
the
systems
integrator,
as
well
as
the
utility
billing
software
solution
and
the
integrator
goes
into
configuration,
then
that's
when
we
would
provide
you
the
oversight
and
program
assurance
and
said
slightly
differently.
That's
what
we
call
independent
verification
and
validation
iv
and
v.
So
we
we
will
be
looking
over
the
shoulders
of
whomever
the
systems.
C
The
intent
here
is
to
proactively
identify
risk
or
issues
that
may
be
underlying
the
si's
execution
of
the
project,
to
be
able
to
identify
them
as
early
and
in
advance
as
possible,
and
then
work
with
you
and
the
systems
integrator
to
put
mitigation
strategies
in
place
so
that
you
stay
on
schedule
within
budget
and
your
your
technical
and
functional
business
requirements
are
being
met
successfully.
C
With
this
particular
step,
we
are
estimating
that
the
period
of
performance
will
be
approximately
six
months,
however,
that
it
will
be
contingent
upon
how
long
it
actually
takes
the
the
integrator
to
do
the
configuration
and
implementation.
C
So
if
it
goes
beyond
six
months,
then
I
think
we
have
two
options:
one
being
extend
our
support
or
we
can
provide
you
all
coaching
throughout
this
process
so
that
you
can
actually
assume
that
at
the
end
of
six
months,
so
we
do
have
standard,
let's
say
templates
and
tools
that
we
use
to
be
able
to
access
or
assess
how
well
projects
are
being
performed.
C
So
we
will
do
that
knowledge
transfer
with
you
along
the
way,
so
that
you
can
in
fact
sort
of
learn
by
doing
and
be
able
to
provide
oversight
yourself
moving
forward.
If
you
would
like
to
do
so,.
F
Yeah,
I
do
so.
I
went
back
to
the
notes
from
the
january
11th
briefing
where
we
talked
about
this
and
in
that
briefing
you
kind
of
gave
three
options
which
would
be
staying
the
course
starting
over
or
the
hybrid
approach
and
the
hybrid
approach
involved,
keeping
the
hr
payroll
in
uni
and
doing
a
separate
utility
billing,
and
at
that
time
you
kind
of.
F
I
don't
know
if
you
said
it
flat
out
or
hinted
at
it
that
utility
billing
is
not
tyler's
strong
suit,
and
that
was
that,
obviously,
that
hybrid
oppo
approach
would
be
the
best
one
going
forward.
F
F
So
I
just
kind
of
wanted
to
to
kind
of
backtrack
to
what
we
talked
about.
You
know
back
on
january
11th
and
and
see
if
the
thoughts
were
still
the
same
or
if,
if
there's
new
information
that
you
know,
might
put
tyler
back
in
the
mix
and
make
a
hybrid
approach
not
as
attractive
as
it
was.
Then
right.
C
Tyler's,
not
a
niche
utility
billing
player.
I
wouldn't
say
that
that
is
necessarily
their
their
core
business.
When
you
look
at
munis,
it's
really
erp
around
hr
finance
procurement,
general
back
office
functions,
utility
billing
tends
to
be
much
more
specialized
and
a
complex
business
function
that
that
is
executed.
C
C
So
if
the
city
is
willing
to
live
with
some
of
the
out
of
the
box
functionality
that
are
commoditized
utility
billing
functions,
then
then
tyler
may
in
fact
be
be
able
to
meet
your
needs.
However,
if
the
city
has
very
unique
a
differentiating
requirements
that
you
don't
want
to
pivot
off
of
then
we'd
have
to
we'd
have
to
make
an
objective
assessment
as
to
whether
or
not
you
should
consider
them
moving
forward.
So
yeah
we're
neutral
going
into
this
and
we're
really
going
to
let
the
business
requirements
dictate
what
needs
to
occur
going
forward.
C
So
it's
going
to
be
in
a
very
objective
base
decision
based
on
one
the
requirements
that
you
have.
How
unique
or
differentiating
they
are,
and
then
is
the
city
going
to
be
adamant
about
sticking
to
the
ways
of
doing
business
or
are
they
more
or
you
are
more
apt
to
try
to
use
out
of
the
box
functionality.
F
G
Hi
carlton,
I
just
want
to
make
a
quick
statement
in
a
previous
life.
I
did
a
lot
with
project
management
and
I
like
what
you're
saying,
especially
with
the
requirements
piece,
because
that's
that's
so
important
in
making
sure
that
you
you
get
what
you
were
planning
to
get
in
the
end,
and
so
I
think
considering
how
long
it's
been
since
the
requirements
were
were
done,
which
you
said
was
several
years
ago.
G
I
think
it
is
extremely
important
that
we
look
at
those
requirements
again
and
hopefully
that
will
help
us
with
making
the
right
decision
going
forward,
whether
it's
you
know
changing
completely
or
hybrid
or
whatever.
So
I
really
like
what
you're
saying
and
thank
you
so
much
for
for
what
you
guys
are
doing
to
help
us
through
this.
C
No,
no,
we,
we
really
love
working
with
you
all
and
very
excited
to
support
you
moving
forward,
but
but
to
your
your
comments
sandy.
If
you
look
further
back
in
the
proposal
that
we
submitted,
we
did
include
like
include
some
sample
requirements,
and
if
you
look
at
those
requirements,
those
are
business
requirements,
they're,
not
technical
requirements,
so
we're
really
focusing
on
understanding
the
business
and
the
needs,
and
then
we
match
the
technology
to
meet
the
needs.
So
we're
not
taking
a
technology
first
approach.
B
No
sir,
I
had
really
wanted
to
just
kind
of
address
the
point
that
councilmember
stokes
had
had
brought
up
when
when
carlton
was
speaking,
you
know.
What's
sorry,
that
would
be
my
my
dog
playing
with
her
toy
there.
One
moment.
B
So
what
I
mean,
what's
I
just
want
to
keep
something
in
mind
too,
and
the
point
I
want
to
drive
home
about
the
benefit
of
having
a
partner
like
gartner
here
is
that
you
know
at
the
end
of
the
day,
you
know
ashley
and
I
can
put
together
a
kafir.
We
can
put
together
a
budget
document.
You
know
we
can
advise
on
financial
matters
but
having
a
partner
like
gartner
to
help
walk
us
through
this
erp
process,
because
erp
is
not
our.
B
Our
core
business
is
extremely
helpful
because
it
will,
it
will
help
avoid
us
having
to
come
back
to
you
two
years
from
now
and
have
this
same
conversation
you
know,
which
is
the
position
we
find
ourselves
in
now,
so
I
I
at
least
wanted
to
address
that
point
to
council
member
stokes,
because
you
know
the
question
about
what
gartner's
thoughts
are
on
ub
and
its
functionality
with
tyler
and
everything.
Those
are.
Those
are
very
fair
questions
and
I'll
tell
you.
B
C
Thanks,
aj:
okay,
if
there
are
no
questions
remaining
on
utility
billing,
you
still
should
be
able
to
see
my
slide,
which
provides
an
overview
of
our
our
approach
for
supporting
hr
and
payroll
here
again,
knowing
that
you've
previously
started
down
this
path
with
tyler.
Regarding
these
two
modules
within
the
munis
application,
it
would
really
be
focus
on
making
sure
that
you
have
a
clearly
defined
plan,
slash
roadmap,
for
how
this
is
going
to
move
forward.
C
One
of
the
observations
that
we
had
previously
one
is
that
the
requirements
here
again
were
not
comprehensively
defined,
but
then
two
there
was
not
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
structured
project
management
around
the
execution
of
the
project.
Previously,
that's
not
to
be
critical
of
what
was
done
by
the
city
in
the
past.
Again,
it's
not
abnormal
for
us
to
see
these
sorts
of
projects
to
get
off
schedule.
C
Then
we
have
to
come
in
and
help
do
some
course
correction,
but
the
lack
of
clearly
defined
requirements
and
the
right
amount
of
planning
and
oversight
were
two
or
three
contributing
factors
that
led
to
hr
and
payroll
not
being
successfully
implemented
previously.
C
C
C
So
as
an
example,
one
of
the
capabilities
that
may
have
been
accepted
is
employee,
self-service
or
benefits,
administration
or
time
and
attendance.
C
So
what
was
accepted
and
what
was
not
accepted,
so
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we
have
a
clear
point
from
which
the
project
is
going
to
be
reinitiated,
so
that
there
is
no
ambiguity
between
the
city
and
tyler.
Where
you
can
say
here
are
the
requirements
and
business
capabilities
that
we
have
accepted
based
on
what
you
developed
for
us
previously
or,
conversely,
here's
what's
not
accepted,
so
we
would
help
you
build
a
plan
to
take
you
from
where
you
are
today
through
the
full
implementation
of
the
hr
and
payroll
modules.
C
This,
then
we
can
say,
here's
the
remaining
capability
that
needs
to
be
configured
here
are
the
requirements
that
need
to
be
configured
in
order
to
meet
our
business
capabilities,
and
then
we
would
codify
that
into
a
detailed
plan
or
roadmap,
where
you
would
see
each
of
the
major
work
streams
that
need
to
be
executed
in
order
to
implement
hr
and
payroll
and
by
work
stream.
It
could
be
data
cleansing.
C
So
what
needs
to
be
done
around
your
data
in
order
for
it
to
be
successfully
put
into
the
new
system,
data
conversion,
training,
change
management
and
all
of
the
tasks
that
go
into
configuration.
C
We
would
work
with
you
as
well
with
tyler
to
come
up
with
this
plan
that
would
have
milestones
so
that
you
can
evaluate
progress
along
the
way,
as
well
as
critical
success
factors
that
allows
you
to
determine
that
the
project
is
being
successfully
executed,
and
then
we
would
document
that
into
a
high-level
schedule
or
integrated
master
schedule
that
really
details
the
steps
that
need
to
be
done.
The
dependencies
between
those
steps
so
that
you
can
in
fact
do
structured
project
management
around
how
the
project
is
being
executed.
C
We
think
this
will
take
approximately
six
weeks
to
get
completed
and
at
the
outcome
at
the
outset.
I'm
sorry
at
the
as
an
outcome.
The
deliverables
would
be
those
refined
requirements,
the
implementation
plan,
as
well
as
an
integrated
master
schedule.
C
So
once
you
actually
go
into
configuration
of
that
system,
we
would
use
a
rinse
and
repeat
approach
around
the
program.
Oversight
and
program
assurance
that
specifically
being
again
making
sure
that
we
are
reviewing
the
work,
products
and
deliverables
that
they
are
providing
you
to
make
sure
that
they
are
meeting
their
targeted
objectives
and
outcomes,
making
sure
that
the
project
is
staying
on
schedule.
According
to
the
plan
that
was
developed,
that
there
that
they
are
meeting
your
requirements
and
then
providing
feedback
on
their
deliverables
and
support
that
they
are
providing
you
again
here.
C
The
intent
is
to
be
able
to
make
sure
that
you're
staying
on
schedule
within
budget
that
we're
proactively
identifying
risk
and
issues
and
coming
up
with
the
appropriate
mitigation
strategies
to
resolve
them
so
that
you
don't
find
yourself
in
another
situation.
As
you
were
previously.
C
So
do
have
a
couple
slides
here
that
just
give
details
on
the
activities
responsibilities,
but
I
would
say
in
essence
what
I
just
walked
you
through
is
exactly
what
we
would
do
to
support
the
city
with
this.
C
All
right
questions,
comments
or
concerns.
F
Hey
this
is
kind
of
more
for
aj.
Back
in
when
we
discussed
this
in
january,
we
were
going
to
get
financial
spent
to
date.
Do
you
have
that
information
available
that
we
can
at
least
know
what
we've
spent
to
date
on
this
before
we
talk
about
spending
another
700
plus
thousand
dollars.
B
Yes,
councilmember
and-
and
let
me
apologize
in
advance
for
my
dog
she's-
very
active
in
the
background,
so
she
may
make
another
appearance
right
in
the
middle
of
while
I'm
talking
to
you
guys
so
right
after
the
council
briefing
on
january,
11th
ashley
had
provided
an
email
to
the
council,
a
breakout
of
the
cost
we've
incurred.
So
as
of
january
2021,
now
there's
my
dog
again
hold
on.
B
B
So
that
1.3
million
includes
those
upfront
costs
that
you
heard
carlton
mentioned
earlier
and
how
our
contract
with
tyler
was
structured,
where
we
paid
upfront
for
the
software
and
for
the
licensing
and
things
like
that,
even
though
we're
not
live
yet
on
utility
billing
or
hr
or
payroll.
C
D
Hey
mike,
can
I
get
your
opinion
on
it?
Do
you
mind
speaking
as
to
what
your
thoughts
are.
A
I
concur
that
we
need
an
outside
partner
to
help
walk
us
through
the
process
of
these
last
two
modules
when
I
first
got
here.
Obviously,
the
city
was
in
the
midst
of
the
erp
project,
and
what
I
saw
over
the
first
year
was,
I
think,
the
staff
for
the
most
part
was
a
little
bit
inexperienced
because
we
had
never
gone
through
an
erp
conversion
before
it's,
not
something
that
is
done
on
a
regular
basis.
It's
typically
generational
within
an
institution.
A
So
the
chances
of
having
people
who
have
been
through
it
before
and
have
been
through
it
in
a
municipal
government
is
actually
a
little
slim
and
while
the
financials
were
up
and
running
clearly
the
human
resources
department
was
running
into
roadblocks
and
there
was
a
concern
for
utility
billing
to
ultimately
go
down
the
path
of
trying
to
go,
live
with
a
system
that
was
questionable
as
to
whether
or
not
it
would
work,
and
I
think
that
had
something
to
do
a
little
bit
with
the
fact
that
tyler
muniz
had
come
out
with
a
new
platform
within
which
to
operate,
and
we
were
having
a
little
bit
of
difficulty
getting
one-to-one.
A
With
that
being
said,
councillor
jansen
we're
also
a
small
organization,
we're
not
a
large
city
that
has
a
thousand
plus
employees
where
you
can
dedicate
a
dozen
or
so
specifically
to
an
erp
conversion,
and
not
have
them
worry
about
what
their
normal
day-to-day
activities
are
going
to
be.
A
In
our
case,
if
we're
telling
someone
you
need
to
be
working
four
to
eight
hours
a
day
on
erp
conversion,
then
that's
four
to
eight
hours
a
day
that
they're
not
doing
their
normal
job
and
if
you
notice
in
the
agenda
memo
that
was
provided,
we
do
also
have
a
line
item
shown
for
temporary
staffing
resources
for
city
departments.
That
would
be
impacted
by
this
next
phase
of
the
erp
conversion.
A
One
of
the
things
that
I
would
comment
on
and
I
think
councilor
golding
hit
the
nail
on
the
head.
I've
got
a
bit
of
project
management
experience
coming
into
this
position
as
well,
and
I
wanted
to
make
sure
that
before
we
came
to
council,
we
had
crossed
all
the
t's
and
dotted
all
the
eyes
with
what
we
thought
was
necessary
to
move
forward
on
the
project.
A
I
do.
I
do
not
want
to
be
in
a
position
of
coming
back
to
council
12
to
24
months
from
now
and
saying
we
missed
something.
So
we've
been
having
a
lot
of
internal
conversations
to
make
sure
that
we
have
the
right
internal
players
that
understand
what
their
role
will
be
going
forward
on.
What
we're,
what
we're,
calling
erp
2.0
to
make
sure
that
we're
comfortable
with
the
sequence,
which
is
why
we
switched
it
to
utility
billing
next
followed
by
hr
instead
of
hr,
followed
by
utility
billing.
D
A
And-
and
I
don't
think
the
issue
is
an
antiquated
product,
I
think
one
of
the
issues-
and
I
hope
I
don't
speak
out
of
turn
on
on
on
this
format,
but
when
we
went
with
tyler
muniz
and
they
they
changed
the
platform.
Just
before
we
started
implementation.
A
There
were
a
lot
of
new
elements
that
had
yet
to
be
fully
tested
in
the
public
sector,
environment
and,
as
a
result,
the
the
finance
module
was
able
to
get
through
those
elements.
But
when
we
got
to
hr
there
were
some
hiccups
and,
like
I
said
previously,
we
were
not
able
to
find
an
apples
to
apples
comparison
for
something
like
beaches,
energy
utility
billing
and
actually
see
where
it
had
been
implemented
and
was
working
appropriately.
A
A
So
I
think
that's
where
the
expertise
of
gartner
comes
into
play,
with
with
understanding
how
gartner
how
tyler
has
worked
in
the
past
with
their
customer
base
in
being
able
to
find
us.
Those
analogies-
and
I
think
you
heard
carlton
say
not
just
making
sure
that
their
system
is
going
to
work
but
having
them
come
in
and
give
us
the
appropriate
demonstrations
so
that
we
fully
understand
the
capability
of
the
software
make
sure
that
it
will
work
for
our
needs.
A
And
if
it
looks
like
it's
going
to
get
us
to
the
90
or
95th
percentile
of
what
we're
looking
for.
Then,
maybe
that's
what
we
need
to
go
forward
and
if
it's
less
than
that
threshold
or
less
than
the
critical
functions
that
we
need,
then
maybe
we
do
need
to
look
at
another
product.
But
we
won't
know
until
we
do
that
exercise.
A
And
carlton,
if
you
could
take
us
off
the
screen
share
so
that
the
rest
of
us
could
see
all
the
council
members.
I
think
the
I
see
councilor
stokes
has
his.
F
Handwriting
for
you,
because
you
just
kind
of
talked
about
making
sure
we
have
all
of
our
ducks
in
a
row
kind
of
before
we
get
going
on
the
assumption.
Ceo
jb's
participation.
F
Have
you
already
got
a
project
manager?
Will
that
be
you?
Have
we
already
gotten
to
that
point?
That
seems
very
important
in
this
whole
process,
with
gartner.
A
It
will
not
be
me,
but
we
do
have
a
defined
individual
and
position
in-house.
That
will
be
the
project
manager.
They
will
be
our
point
person
for
the
project
going
forward
and
we
will
give
them
the
authority
that
they
need,
as
the
project
manager,
to
make
decisions
rather
than
having
to
stop
to
go
to
either
a
steering
committee
or
coming
to
me
every
time
they
run
into
a
hurdle
that
they
need.
A
question
answered
on.
That
was
something
we
talked
about
a
couple
of
months
ago
that
it's
one
thing
to
assign
a
project
manager.
A
So
I
think
our
requested
direction
to
counsel
for
tonight
was.
Is
there
any
additional
information
that
you
need
to
see
or
hear
about
before?
We
bring
this
item
back
to
council
for
formal
consideration,
and
I
think
counselor
stokes
had
asked
about
the
expenditures
to
date
which
we
provided.
I
think
by
email
a
couple
months
ago.
Is
there
anything
else
that
you
need
as
part
of
a
final
memo
that
we
would
bring
forward
to
you.
A
Hearing
none
aj,
I
think
you've
got
your
direction,
we'll
be
bringing
this
back
to
council
for
formal
consideration
to
carlton
and
natash
from
gartner.
Thank
you
very
much
for
your
attendance
on
the
call
tonight.
We
greatly
appreciate
it
and
with
that
being
said,
we'll
move
on
to
the
second
item
of
the
night.
Okay
good
evening.
A
A
So
with
that
I'll
turn
it
over
to
chris,
and
he
can
talk
to
you
a
little
bit
about
the
draft.
That's
in
front
of
you
and
we'll
hear
what
type
of
feedback
you
want
to
provide.
Chris
the
floor
is
yours,.
E
Thanks
mike
so
we
began
the
the
drafting
of
the
ordinance
following
council's
instruction.
After
the
temporary
moratorium
ordinance
was
adopted
in
place,
we've
reviewed
it
a
little
bit
during
different
discussions,
but
now
we
finally
have
our
first
working
draft
in
terms
of
the
foundation
of
what
the
final
ordinance
would
consist
of.
But
there
are
a
lot
of
other
topics
to
share
and
discuss
with
you
that
aren't
drafted
into
this
first
working
craft
and
since
the
time
that
we
submitted
this
ordinance,
we've
done
other
research.
E
I've
spoken
to
council
members
about
some
of
the
issues
and
items
that
are
relevant
to
this
whole
field
and
I'd
be
glad
to
answer
any
questions
that
you
may
have,
or
I
can
walk
you
through
the
ordinance
where
you
can
ask
me
questions
that
you've
developed
about
the
ordinance,
and
I
would
suggest
that
this
was
just
an
initial
framework
to
get
this.
This
topic
or
this
item
back
to
council,
as
you
did
direct
me
to
move
this
project
ahead
of
other
projects.
E
E
Some
of
the
concerns
that
we
have,
I
can
offer
the
some
of
the
other
department
heads
to
speak
to
you
and
answer
your
questions.
I'm
not
sure
what
do
you
suggest
mike.
D
The
only
only
question
I
had
was
you
had
mentioned.
Having
these
vendors
bonded
or
posting
a
bond
was,
is
that
still
on
the
table
and
right.
E
E
The
purpose
for
the
bond
was
going
to
be
essentially
for
any
costs
that
the
city
incurred
for
purposes
of
retrieving,
removing
storing
devices,
and
we
decided
that
a
feed
payment
system
would
be
most
likely,
the
most
practical
for
the
department,
meaning
if
the
vendor
was
failing
to
pick
up
a
scooter
that
was
left
unattended
on
any
public
right-of-way
and
the
city,
public
works
or
police
department
removed.
It
moved
it
to
the
fleet,
yard
stored
it
and
held
it
for
a
certain
period
of
time.
E
Perhaps
anything
up,
24
hours
or
more,
then
the
fees
would
accrue
that
that
vendor
would
have
to
pay
the
police
department
or
public
works.
Retrieval
fee
removal,
fee
storage
fee,
that's
how
the
city
would
recruit
the
costs
rather
than
having
a
bond
already
in
place.
So
if
the
vendor
wanted
to
get
its
device
back
its
valuable
device
back
well,
it
would
have
to
pay
the
fees
associated
with
what
effort
the
city
put
out.
E
D
Just
as
a
matter
of
opinion
as
one
member
of
the
council
I,
instead
of
going
through
it,
you
know,
line
by
line.
I
think
that,
if
you
just
for
me,
I'd
like
to
hear
what
your
research
has
found
more
of
a
summation
because
I'd
be
interested
in
hearing
what
what
other
cities
were
doing,
you
know
only
having
limited
knowledge.
E
E
Okay,
great
so
some
of
some
of
the
thoughts
and
research
and
discussions
that
I've
had
involved
a
lot
of
many
concerns.
Quite
frankly-
and
let
me
add
that
I've
spoken
to
several,
or
at
least
five
of
our
attorneys,
that
represent
municipalities
throughout
the
state-
they
have
a
long
history
decades,
long
collectively,
of
representing
municipalities
throughout
the
state.
E
E
It
seems
to
be
such
a
new
topic,
a
new
issue
that
isn't
one
of
those
typical
municipal
problems
that
can
be
confronted
and
categorized
and
handled
properly.
A
lot
of
the
control
is
placed
on
in
regulation
is
actually
placed
in
the
vendor's
hands,
and
you
know
we
may
draft
the
most
perfect
ordinance.
But
what
we're
finding
is
that
the
operation
of
the
these
devices
are
out
there
on
the
city
streets.
E
You
know
we
may
have
an
ordinance
in
place
that
allows
us
to
remove
them
or
requires
the
vendor
to
remove
them,
but,
for
example,
two
or
three
of
the
attorneys
that
I
you
know
that
we
hire
they
practice
in
orlando
and
they
say
listen.
You
know,
there's
programs
in
place,
it
doesn't
matter.
There's
hundreds
of
these
devices
left
throughout
the
sidewalks
all
around
on
the
right-of-way
in
the
roadways
they're
having
accidents
the
the
even
the
when
an
ordinance
is
in
place.
It's
not
going
to
stop
the
problems
or
prevent
the
problems
from
occurring.
E
So
that's
caused
me
a
lot
of
concern
because
you
know,
in
my
opinion,
I'm
thinking.
Well,
that's
true.
So
much
of
the
regulation
of
this
and
the
activity
of
this
is
in
the
vendor's
hands,
meaning
there
could
be
125
devices
out
there
and
those
125
devices.
A
very
large
portion
of
them
could
easily
be
left
on
our
sidewalks.
E
They
could
be
abandoned
in
our
in
our
streets
and
the
use
and
operation
of
those
devices
on
our
streets
are
most
likely
going
to
be
and
from
what
I've
heard
and
what
I've
read
most
likely,
especially
in
our
situation
being
that
the
service
area
is
going
to
be
in
the
part
of
our
town,
where
there
are
typically
tourists
and
guests
and
they're
engaged
in
certain
fun
time
activities.
E
E
But
the
guests
that
are
here
and
visitors
that
are
downtown
these
are
likely
going
to
be
inexperienced
users.
They
may
have
never
using
use
the
device
like
this.
They
may
not
be
in
the
proper
state
of
mind
to
be
using
the
device
on
our
city
streets
and
the
operation
of
them
are
most
likely
going
to
be
on
streets
that
we
all
recognize
are
already
heavily
trafficked,
in
particular
on
weekends
and
weekend
nights.
E
So
you
know
in
my
discussions
and
in
my
research
I've.
These
are
real
serious
growing
concerns
and,
of
course,
hearing
from
our
department
heads
it
appears
that
they
have
the
same
concerns.
You
know
our
overall
purpose
of
entering
the
temporary
moratorium
was
safety,
public
safety,
and
I
still
think
that
that's
the
primary
purpose
of
us
even
looking
at
this
program
potential
ordinance
what
serves
the
best
for
public
safety
and
my
police
officer,
our
police
officers.
E
Have
you
know
our
commander
has
indicated
to
me
that
that's
he's
extremely
concerned
about
public
safety
with
these
devices,
so
my
research
has,
in
my
consultation
with
some
of
our
very
experienced
outside
attorneys,
has
led
me
to
be
very
concerned
about
this
and
we
have
been
put
on
notice.
I
don't
want
to
get
too
much
into
the
details
of
this,
but
we've
already
been
put
on
notice
of
a
claim
with
an
intention
to
sue
the
city
of
jacksonville
beach.
E
I
would
say
for
an
accident
that
occurred
on
one
of
our
streets
by
a
guest
of
our
city
who
rented
the
device
prior
to
temporary
moratorium
being
put
in
place,
so
we're
already
exposed
to
litigation
for
what
has
been
alleged,
as,
I
would
say,
a
dangerous
condition.
E
Some
of
the
other,
some
of
the
other
issues
we
have
we
found-
and
I
want
to
compliment
elise
because
elise
has
also
done
a
lot
of
research
on
this.
But
she
found
some
valuable
information
just
from
city
of
fort
lauderdale,
which
has
had
their
program
in
place
for
a
couple
of
years.
E
There
have
been
claims
of
the
device
going,
you
know,
being
driven
over
essentially
what's
alleged
to
be
defective
conditions,
so
missing
bricks
and
sidewalks
dangerous
conditions
in
the
roadways
and
losing,
of
course,
losing
control.
So
much
like
the
claim,
that's
been
asserted
against
city
of
jacksonville
beach,
that
user
claims
that
they
were
caused
to
fall
off
and
caused
to
lose
control
because
of
the
condition
that
existed
in
our
roadway,
so
fort
lauderdale
is
seeing
a
lot
of
those
claims.
E
They
are
most
likely
not
going
to
take
100
responsibility.
Even
if
they've
been
drinking
and
enjoying
themselves
and
they
are
confronted
with
medical
bills
for
their
injuries,
they
will
find
a
way
to
at
least
try
to
assert
a
claim
against
the
city
of
jacksonville
beach
for
a
dangerous
condition
that
caused
their
accident.
E
Despite
that,
it's
perhaps
their
lack
of
experience,
their
own
negligence
and
their
own
operation,
their
failure
to
operate
that
safely
or
follow
directions
or
to
wear
any
safety
devices
so
on
and
so
on.
I
just
think
that
what
I'm
for
steam
and
what
we've
seen
so
far
these
are
this
is
one
of
those
situations
and
kind
of
new
products
out
there.
That
could
lead
to
a
lot
of
claims
and
lawsuits.
E
I
just
don't
see
people
taking
sole
responsibility
for
their
broken
arms
and
broken
legs
and
hip
replacements,
and
things
like
that,
they're
going
to
be
looking
for
people
to
sue
it's
going
to
be
the
city
and
the
device
operator
and
the
vendor
so
we're
we
would
be
a
target
I
have
so
those
are
some
of
my
concerns,
but
you
know
I'm.
I
feel
like
I'm
supported
by
the
department
directors
in
that,
of
course,
there's
many
other
concerns
that
just
aren't
related
to
litigation
claims
or
risk
exposure.
E
You
know
such
as
the
fees
that
we
would
charge
to
implement
the
program,
the
application
process
and,
of
course,
that's
clerk
type
of
information
planning
and
development
in
terms
of
zoning.
What
areas
will
we
allow
them
to
operate
in
so
there
are?
There
are
so
many
topics.
I
would
also
share
with
council
that
you
know
they.
E
A
lot
of
the
department
heads
have
have
asked
me
to
suggest
you
know
a
ban
of
course,
but
that
that
is
up
to
the
city
council
and,
if
not
a
ban,
then
a
pilot
program,
because
we
as
department
heads
we,
we
have
a
lot
to
ex
learn
through
experience.
E
If
something
were
to
be
implemented,
we're
gonna
have
to
try
to
grow
with
this
and
again
hearing
from
some
of
my
outside
attorneys
that
they
said,
there's
a
lot
of
lessons
to
be
learned
that
you
will
only
experience
through
the
growing
pains
some
things
you
just
can't
really
plan
completely
for
so,
if
not
a
band
and
a
pilot
program
is
what
has
been
suggested.
E
City
of
jacksonville
has
a
pilot
program
in
place.
I
don't
want
to
compare
us
the
city
of
jacksonville,
it's
a
much
different
situation,
larger
numbers,
larger
service
area,
so
you
know
we
we
have.
We
have
our
limitations,
so
those
are
those
are
some
of
the
concerns
in
terms
of
a
ban.
We
do
have
the
authority
and
power
to
do
that.
The
the
law
that's
currently
on
the
books
comes
out
of
the
first
dca,
which
is
good
for
us.
E
The
court
in
that
case
actually
describes
the
city
as
a
small
beach
community
that
in
that
encounters
a
great
number
of
tourists,
and
the
I
mean
the
the
city
was
panama
city
beach
and
the
way
that
the
court
described
the
scenario
it
could
have
been
city
of
jacksonville
beach.
So
we
fit
perfectly
into
that
current
law.
That's
out
there.
The
florida
statutes
allow
us
to
allow
you,
the
city
council,
to
govern
the
operation
of
the
devices
and
the
scooters
on
the
streets
that
are
under
our
local
jurisdiction
and
our
control.
E
E
You
know
helpful
local
business
person
really
really
helpful
likes.
You
know,
as
you
all
know,
and
he's
been
communicating
he's
been
helping.
So
I
don't
want
this
to
be
any
reflection
on
kurt
dewitt
whatsoever.
He's
been
a
very,
very
responsible,
professional
entrepreneur
here
in
the
city
of
jacksonville
beach.
I'm
just
telling
you
what
I've
found
here
at
my
legal,
consulting
council
I'll,
be
glad
to
answer
any
questions.
I
have
a
stack
of
papers
and
resources,
it's
just
difficult
to
know
where
you
want
me
to
start
with
it.
A
Well,
chris,
we've
got
four
council
members:
have
their
hands
raised?
Okay,
so
we'll
just
go
right
down
them
in
order
we're
going
to
start
with
councilor
meza
and
then
go
to
councillor
dumont
great.
H
Yes,
chris,
I
I
share
your
same
concerns.
I've
been
to
orlando
multiple
times
as
well.
I've
rented
the
scooters
before
they're
a
lot
of
fun.
Obviously
I
was
responsible,
but
one
thing
is
I
tripped
over
a
couple
of
them
multiple
times
the
times
that
I've
been
to
orlando?
I
like
the
ordinance.
H
What
is
it
two
vendors
max?
Is
it
I?
I
think
I
think
it's
great.
I
don't
want
to
over
saturate
the
city
with
any
more
scooters.
I
don't
think
kirk
would
be
negligent.
I
think
more
of
the
people
that
are
renting
these
scooters
will
be
more
negligent
than
anything
else,
and
that
is
my
concern.
Like
I've
said
before
I
was
on
second
street
right
on
first
avenue
north
on
the
two-way
stop
sign.
I
had
to
ride
away
the
guys
on
the
scooters.
Just
ran
a
stop
sign
and
I
had
it
slamming
my
brakes
now.
H
That
is
my
concern
as
well
on
the
pilot
program.
I
think
we
could
do
that.
I,
like
the
pilot
program,
I'm
not
a
big
fan
of
banning
things,
that's
just
personal
opinion,
but
with
the
the
ordnance,
I
read
pretty
much
everything
and
I
I
don't
have
any.
The
only
thing
I
know
is
on
number
three
on
page
10
out
of
21
from
8
a.m
to
11
p.m.
H
My
concern
on
that
is
on
the
weekends,
especially
once
we
start
allowing
festivals
with
the
amount
of
traffic
we
get
on
first
street.
I
think
11
p.m
might
be
too
late.
H
I'm
I
already
started
seeing
an
influx
of
traffic
on
first
street
on
the
weekend,
especially
with
the
nice
weather.
Maybe
10
p.m.
I
don't
know
what
other
council
members
and
the
mayor
feel
about
this.
That's
just
my
opinion,
but
everything
else
that
I've
had
here.
I
I
think
it's
it's
something
to
work
with.
I
don't
know
I
haven't
talked
to
kurt
and
I
would
like
to
get
his
input
to
see
what
he
thinks.
That's
all.
I
have.
E
So,
with
respect
to
the
hours
there
is,
there
will
be,
and
I've
began
drafting
that
and
putting
that
in
this
draft
ordinance
where
the
city
manager
would
have
authority
and
power
to
adjust
the
hours
and
days
when
necessary.
So
this
would
allow
the
city
manager
to
do
exactly
what
what
you're
saying
there.
Mr
meza,
which
is
you
know
if
there's
a
city
event
or
a
downtown
concert,
or
we
block
off
some
of
the
streets
for
certain
purposes,
any
any
sort
of
special
circumstance.
E
We
have
and
and
that
that
leads
to
one
of
our
primary
concerns,
which
is
so
for
the
northern
border
of
the
geofencing
area.
This
essentially
would
go
right
up
to
our
northern
border
with
neptune
beach,
so
seagate
area
now,
currently,
neptune
beach
has
temporary
band
the
operation
of
the
devices
in
their
jurisdiction.
E
The
information
that
I'm
getting
so
far
is
that
it
appears
that
they're
going
to
continue
to
have
a
ban
of
the
devices
so
in
terms
of
the
northern
border,
we're
confronted
with
a
situation
where
guests
again
are
going
to
be
anticipating
that
they
can
go
all
the
way
up
to
atlantic
beach
town
center,
which
seems
to
be
the
natural
path
up
and
down
first
street.
As
we
all
know,
we
do
that
on
our
bikes.
We
love
that,
but
guests
are
going
to
come
to
a
wall
for
essentially
right
at
seagate.
E
One
of
my
outside
attorneys
said
that
in
their
jurisdiction
they
had
the
same
situation
where
guests
thought.
Well,
they
can
keep
on
cruising.
They
weren't
paying
attention
to
the
geo-fencing
area.
They
may
have
disregarded
the
information
that
the
vendor
gave
them
again.
If
kurt
you
know,
his
company
was
the
vendor,
I'm
sure
he
would
provide
proper
geofence.
He
described
that
to
us
and
he
would
make
that
information
available
to
get
to
the
user.
E
A
lot
of
people
don't
pay
attention
to
those.
As
from
what
I've
been
told
by
some
of
my
attorneys,
those
people
are
going
to
be
cruising
right
up
to
seagate
and
it's
going
to
lock
it's
going
to
slow
down
it's
going
to
stop
them.
There's
going
to
be
a
great
deal
of
frustration
that
that's
the
northern
border
and
they
cannot
proceed
to
neptune
beach.
E
However,
it's
been
contemplated
that
the
users
will
at
least
be
able
to
go
to
our
end
zones
of
our
our
jurisdiction
beyond
first
street,
the
south
area,
the
south
border,
is
most
likely
going
to
be
around
the
16th
street.
However,
it's
been
discussed
that
a
lot
of
users
may
want
to
go
all
the
way
right
into.
You
know
the
ponte
vedra
beach
area,
so
the
south
and,
as
we
all
know,
it's
a
little
bit
of
an
awkward
border
for
us.
E
It's
not
such
a
straight
line
as
seagate,
so
we
would
have
to
discuss
that
that
actual
border,
but
I
began
to
draft
it
up
so
that
users
potentially
could
go
all
the
way
to
the
panamic
ponte
vedra
beach
club.
We
may
end
up
hearing
from
st
john's
county
and
they
may
restrict
that
use
terms
of
our
west
border.
E
It's
been
pretty
uniformly
decided
in
terms
of
directors
and
department
heads
that
we
would
prevent
the
users
from
going
over
third
street,
so
they
would
have
to
slow
down
to
a
slow
zone
to
a
no
zone
by
the
sidewalk
on
the
eastern
side
of
third
street.
It's
very
important
to
us-
and
you
know-
commander
mark
evans
of
course,
has
seen
more
tragedies
on
third
street
than
any
of
us,
and
it's
a
very
very
concerned
about
that.
E
He
doesn't
want
to
see
any
more
fatalities
on
that
road,
and
you
know
he's
concerned
about
the
operation
of
the
devices
going
towards
third
street,
making
sure
that
they're
slowing
down
in
a
safe
manner
and
then
stopping
before
they
get
to
that
sidewalk
of
third
street.
However,
he's
also
concerned
that
he's
you
know,
people
may
think
that
the
faster
they
go
they
may
be
able
to
shoot
across.
Are
they
going
to
try
to
carry
their
devices
across
the
other
side?
E
So
our
police
department
has
a
lot
of
concerns
about
our
our
western
border.
But
I've
been
told
that
you
know
there's
the
geo
fencing
the
vendors
have
a
lot
of
control
over
geofencing
and
regulating
the
operations
speed
in
areas
where
they
can
go
at
normal
speed
at
a
slow
zone
and
out
of
no
zone.
But
again,
that
kind
of
relates
back
to
some
of
my
points
and
some
of
the
discussions
I've
had
with
other
attorneys,
which
is
that
you
know
how
much
of
this
responsibility
and
regulation
do.
E
You
actually
have
control
over
versus
how
much
the
vendor
has
control
over
and
the
users
have
in
out
in
the
service
area.
So
those
are
the
four
those
are
the
four
borders
and
some
of
the
concerns
associated
with
the
borders
by
the
way.
With
regard
to
the
end
zones,
you
know
one
of
the
concepts
of
this
program
is
corrals
or
parking
areas
or
station
areas
where
the
devices
can
be
left
parked
at
or
left
completely
and
turned
off,
and
then
another
user
can
come
and
use.
E
There's
there's
there's
two
concepts:
one
is
a
corral
or
a
parking
area,
that's
on
private
property
versus
any
that
may
be
left
on
or
or
inserted
or
installed
on
public
property.
So
if,
if
we
were
to
allow
usage
of
the
devices
into
our
end
zones,
council
would
have
to
make
a
determination
as
to
whether
they're
in
the
end
zones
on
public
property.
Do
you
want
us
to
create
a
corral?
E
So
a
lot
of
the
cities
throughout
america
that
have
corrals
where
the
city
and
the
vendor
are
working
together
in
a
program
they
have
created
corrals
on
public
property,
from
everything
that
councils
told
me
we're
not
in
the
business
of
micro
devices
here
and
not
only
e-scooters,
meaning
we're
not
in
we're
not
in
a
co-partnership
with
a
private
vendor.
So
you
would
not
necessarily
be
making
a
deal
or
an
arrangement
with
your
part,
your
private
enterprise
partner,
to
provide
corrals
on
public
property,
and,
if
you
did,
where
would
you
want
them?
E
And
if,
at
our
end
zones,
where
do
we
put
them?
Do
you
join
those
corrals
with
also
a
new
set
of
bicycle
parking,
which
we've
been
told?
We
need
that
as
well.
So
there's
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
concerns
with
respect
to
the
zones
and
the
borders,
and
I
know
heather's
not
on
because
we
were
both
at
cra
earlier
tonight-
she's
still
there,
but
she
has
a
lot
of
great
comments
and
insight
about
her
suggestions
for
zoning
and
where,
where
corrals
and
points
of
use
can
be
located
throughout
the
city.
E
I
Thank
fernando's,
okay,
his
hands
down.
I've
done
a
lot
of
research
on
these
micro,
mobilities
and
e-scooters.
I
didn't
really
know
much
about
them
other
than
when
I
go
to
other
cities.
I
I
see
them
a
lot,
they're
really
all
over
the
place,
and
the
data
has
shown
that
they've
been
a
shock
to
the
transportation
system
actually
throughout
the
world,
because
we're
trying
to
cut
down
on
cars,
move
people
around
still
and
like
these
e-scooters
have
been
a
godsend
for
the
what's
considered
the
last
mile
you
take
transportation
somewhere
in
heaven,
get
from
where
your
car
is
or
where
you're
dropped
off
to
the
actual
destination
that
you
want
to
get
to,
because
it's
rare
that
you
can
actually
just
park
outside
the
the
front
door
of
where
it
is
that
you're
trying
to
go
so
the
the
world
is
still
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
adjust
their
transportation
criteria
to
these
types
of
devices,
but
with
the
data
has
also
shown,
is
they've
identified
through
research
in
major
cities.
I
They've
identified
some
issues
that
that
municipalities
really
need
to
consider
prior
to
really
allowing
full
usage
of
these
micro
mobility
devices.
So
the
data
showed
that
cities
there
are
three
critical
pieces.
The
first
one
is,
you
have
to
be
proactive
in
policies
and
chris
has
done
a
great
job
with
this
draft
and
you
know
there's
a
lot
more
to
go
with
it,
so
we're
kind
of
on
top
of
that,
because
we
put
the
moratorium
in
place
in
december.
I
However,
the
next
two,
I
don't
think
we're
at
where,
where
we
should
be,
if
we
want
to
reduce
the
city's
risks
for
lawsuits,
the
first
one
is
need
to
have
clear
and
clarifying
and
action
on
enforcement.
I
So
in
the
ordinance
it
talks
about
how
the
micro
mobility
devices
will
be
treated
just
like
you
know
they
have
to
follow
the
same
rules
of
the
road
as
the
cars
do.
So
are
the
police
going
to
be
able
to
pull
everyone
over
who
goes
through
a
stop
sign
in
section
3189,
subsection
10,
we
start
getting
into
the
10
and
then
15..
We
start
getting
into
all
the
different
types
of
micro
mobility
devices
and
it
goes
more
into
enforcement.
I
The
further
you
go
into
that
one
section
and
are
we
going
to
enforce
and
I
don't
think
you
can
enforce
rented
these
scooters
in
the
use
of
rented
e-scooters
differently
than
the
use
of
private
e-scooters,
so
you're
only
going
to
pull
over
those
who
are
the
rented
e-scooters
who
go
through,
stop
signs
and
not
the
private
e-scooter
person,
and
so
that
that
has
implications
for
everyone
citywide.
Even
if
you
don't
go
to
or
live
in
the
that
geocoded
area.
So
that's
something!
I
That's
that's
potentially
very
problematic
for
anybody
who
owns
these
devices
and
just
normally
scoots
around
the
the
city.
So
the
the
action
on
the
enforcement's,
a
big
one
and
the
third
one
is:
you
need
to
have
prepared
infrastructure.
A
lot
of
the
lawsuits
that
municipalities
are
facing
is
like
dips
in
roads,
potholes
missing
brick.
I
Things
like
that,
and
one
of
the
studies
was
very
interesting
because
it
talked
about
the
it
compared
bikes
and
the
e-scooter
and
they
when
you're
on
a
bike
and
you
fall.
Your
legs
are
free
to
stop
the
fall
and
you
know
better
control
it.
But
when
you
something
happens
on
the
e-scooter,
your
body
tends
to
fly
off
because
you're
not
grounded
like
you
are
on
a
bike.
I
thought
that
was
somewhat
interesting
when
we're
looking
at
where
they
should
be
able
to
ride
for
jack's
beach.
We
are,
we
already
said
off,
not
on
the
sidewalks.
I
Only
on
the
road
one
out
of
three
e-scooter
users
have
some
kind
of
an
incident
on
the
sidewalk
walk
versus
the
road
and
that's
like
a
it
can
be
a
pedestrian
encounter
or
something
like
that.
One
in
five
e-scooter
users
have
a
incident
on
the
driving
road,
which
sounds
like
that's
good
because
we
put
them
on
the
road.
I
I
So
they,
it
was
noted
that
the
injuries
and
fatalities
in
the
in
e-scooter
usage
is
it's
growing
year
over
year,
and
so
that's
another
area
that
I'm
seeing
risk
because
if
you
get
hurt,
you
want
to
always
go
with
the
entity
with
the
deepest
pockets
and
people
think
that
government
has
no
bottom
to
their
pockets
when
it
comes
to
lawsuits.
I
I
There
are
a
couple
questions
that
I
had
one
is
the
there's
going
to
be
two
permits
in
the
city
125
for
each
permit
holder,
but
who
decides
who
gets
to
have
the
permit?
I
notice
further
down.
It's
like
first
come
first
serve
because
there
have
been
lawsuits
against
municipalities
because
the
municipality
decides
which
company
gets
the
scooter
permit
and
they
had
to
defend
the
process
through
which
they
they
select
one
vendor
and
not
another
vendor.
So
what
is
the
process
that
would
be
proposed
here.
E
So
you
know,
if
someone
submits
an
incomplete
application
to
us,
then
they
may
not
be
the
first
permit
granted
because
they
may
be
too.
They
may
be
missing
information,
but
some
another
vendor
may
provide
us
with
the
application
package.
That's
complete
that
day.
I
And
they,
if
they
have,
what
is
it
three,
not
fines,
but
three
infractions
against
the
company
that,
like
scooters
around
and
such
even
if
they're
not
leaving
them,
they
would
go
down
the
list
like
they
would
they.
E
Could
they
they
could
also
potentially
have
their
permit
revoked,
which
they
may
be
able
to
challenge
on
appeal,
but
the
city
manager
is
also
granted
the
authority
to
revoke
or
restrict
the
permit
if
we
find
that
they
are
not
complying
with
the
ordinance
if
the
ordinance
was
adopted.
E
I
And
with
regard
to
ldc,
I
know
heather's
not
here,
so
I'm
gonna
throw
it
in
your
lap,
because
you
are
here
the
when
it
when
it
comes
to
conditional
uses
for
the
corrals.
I
E
We'd
probably
have
to
change
the
ldc
to
conform
to
what
situations
we're
gonna
see
with
this
heather,
and
I
did
speak
about
it
briefly,
of
course,
she's
the
expert
on
it,
but
we're
probably
gonna,
have
to
make
some
amendments
to
certain
portions
of
the
lbc
to
account
for
this
specific
purpose
and
use.
We
we're
gonna
have
to
try
to
be
as
specific
as
possible
when
it
comes
to
this
program
to
try
to
eliminate,
or
at
least
prevent
as
many
problems
or
challenges
as
possible.
E
But
let
me
also
add
to
comment
on
a
couple
of
things.
You
said
council
member
dumont,
which
was
that
they're
the
regulate
the
two
things
one
is.
The
purpose
of
this
particular
ordinance
is
guided
at
the
regulation
of
commercially
leased,
e-scooters
micro
mobility
devices.
So
this
isn't
designed
to
have
an
impact
on
the
private,
privately
owned
users
of
micro
mobility
devices.
E
In
fact,
we
quite
frankly
are
prevented
in
many
ways
from
over-regulating
and
violation
of
the
florida
statutes
that
do
permit
particular
usage
of
devices.
E
If,
essentially,
it's
reviewed
under,
what's
called
the
rational
basis
test
and
the
the
ordinance
would
just
be
essentially
a
the
least
intrusive
means
and
manner
to
provide
for
public
safety,
and
it's
not
arbitrary.
It's
not
unreasonable
we're,
not
regulating
the
use,
we're
regulating
a
business,
that's
operating
for
purposes
of
public
safety,
health
and
welfare.
That's
what
the
court
in
the
first
stage
of
court
a
couple
years
ago
said
so
we're
not
we're
not
trying
to
regulate
use
of
it.
E
If
we
were
to
ban
it,
for
example,
we're
not
regulating
the
use
completely,
because
private
owners
can
still
use
them.
We
do
have
some
regulations
already
on
the
books
in
terms
of
our
ordinance.
You
know
in
place
with
respect
to
restricting
the
use
on
the
promenade
or
the
boardwalk
restricting
the
use
of
those
devices
on
sidewalks,
for
example,
in
sidewalk
areas.
We
have
that
rule.
E
That's
okay,
we're
not
we're
not
in
any
way
confronting
we're
trying
to
weaken
a
florida
statute
in
terms
of
use,
but
we
are
given
the
authority
to
regulate
business
operations
for
the
purpose
of
street
safety.
We're
allowed
to
regulate
the
use
of
our
streets
and
to
do
essentially
approve
any
ordinance,
essentially
that
again,
it's
just
not
arbitrary
or
unreasonable,
but
just
serves
a
government
purpose
for
public
safety
and
welfare.
If
the
council
were
to
decide
that
having
a
ban
serves
the
public
safety.
I
Yeah,
what
the
part
that
I
was
getting,
I
understand
not
regulating
an
individual
and
his
or
her
use
of
a
scooter,
an
e-scooter,
but
when
we
look
at
the
proposed
3189,
subsection,
10
and
11.
we're
not
talking
about
the
enforcement
of
the
vendor,
we're
talking
about
the
action
that
government
would
take
against
the
user
for
not
following
traffic
laws.
Yeah.
I
Like
if
you
had
a
a
rented
e-scooter
on
the
boardwalk
there's
something
we
could
do
about
that,
but
you
could
have
a
private
person
with
their
e-scooter,
their
private
e-scooter
scooting
around
right
on
along.
E
No,
however,
they
need
to
treat
them
all
the
same,
and
really
it
is
a
traffic
violation
for
the
most
part
that
they
would
need
to
be
treated
under.
But
what's
happening
in
this
situation
is
so
you
have
a
commercial
enterprise
that
puts
a
hundred
or
more
of
these
into
a
small
service
area
of
our
city.
E
So
you
50
of
the
situation,
is
the
user
end
of
it?
50
of
it
is
the
vendor
end
of
it.
We
can't
just
completely
throw
our
hands
up
and
say:
well,
once
the
vendor
rents
those
devices
we're
not
going
to
regulate
their
use,
so
we
can
regulate
the
business,
but
then
we
also
need
to
try
to
control
and
regulate
the
use
of
dozens
or
hundreds
of
these
devices
at
any
given
moment.
E
A
lot
of
these
users
were
not
following
traffic
laws.
They
were
running
through,
stop
signs
and
traffic
control
devices.
They
were
up
and
down
the
sidewalks,
and
so
you
know
our
assumption
was.
This
is
turning
into
a
dangerous
activity.
Of
course,
some
of
us
saw
the
young
lady
that
had
her
infant
on
her
in
her
stuff
in
her
backpack
and
she's
cruising
down
the
running,
stop
signs
on
these
devices,
so
it
was
an
immediate
safety
concern.
I
E
I
Through
a
stop
sign,
not
that
you
would,
but
you
look
both
ways
and
you
didn't
stop,
but
now
he
didn't
see
a
car
coming.
He
would
be
subject
to
a
citation.
F
Right
can
I
interject
real
quick,
because
I
remember
looking
this
up:
it's
we
can
be
sighted,
just
like
you
can
on
a
bicycle.
It's
in
our
code
already
that
these
for
personal
devices,
you're
subject
to
the
same
rules
as
the
bicycle,
so
I
could
100
percent
get
sighted,
just
like
the
electric
one
or
just
like
you
know
somebody
else
on
a
bicycle.
I
Right,
I'm
well
aware
of
that,
but
we
also
know
that
it's
common
that
we
don't
do
that
you
know,
and
so
the
common
practice
right
now
is
the
police.
Don't
stop
all
the
bicyclists
going
on?
First,
not
stopping
at
any
of
the
stop
signs,
and
so
when
it
comes
common
practice
to
do
it
in
one
part
of
the
city,
it
has
to
become
common
practice
to
do
it
throughout
the
city,
because
then
you
can
fall.
D
I
The
you're
treating
the
e
ones
different
than
you're
treating
the
other
ones.
So
the
reason
why
I
bring
this
up
is
this
is
going
to
be
an
unintended
consequence
to
allowing
the
to
allow
the
operation
from
this
and
how
it
would
negatively
negatively
impact
the
residents
who
have
these
e-scooters,
who
are
currently
operating
them
kind
of
not
willing
nelly,
but
how
we
operate
our
bikes.
I
I
I'm
not
sold
on
the
need
for
the
e-scooters,
especially
after
reading
a
lot
of
the
the
research.
The
alleged
damages
usually
end
up
over
around
over
30
000
injuries
are
on
the
increase
and
they
are
increasing
in
severity.
I
E
Yeah,
the
the
manufacturer,
the
event,
the
local
vendor
and
the
city,
those
will
be
the
three
defendants
in
every
lawsuit.
If
I
was
a
plaintiff's
attorney
without
doubt,
I'd
be
suing
all
three.
You
know
my
client
broke
her
leg,
riding
a
e-scooter
that
I
rent
that
she
rented
from
a
city
of
jacksonville
beach,
vendor
private
vendor
and
she
was
operating
on
the
city
of
jacksonville
street.
All
three
would
be
getting
sued,
the
the
devices
are
on,
they
are
regulated
under
chapter
316,
which
is
the
state
uniform
traffic
control
chapter.
E
So
just
as
you
know,
council
member
stoke
said
he
understands
that
these
are
similar
to
bicycle
operations.
Bicycle
operations
are
lovely
golf
carts
and
our
those
device,
those
other
carts
that
go
through
the
lake
lakeside
gate.
Those
are
all
under
chapter
316,
so
they
are
all
subject
to
florida
statutory.
E
E
They
run
through
the
stop
signs.
It's
it's
clear.
Our
police
department
cannot
keep
up
with
that
same
with
neptune,
beach
and
atlantic
beach.
There's
hundreds
of
bicycles
running
stops
on
with
this
program
in
place.
You
know,
without
a
commercial
vendor,
we've
never
heard
the
police
department
come
to
us
and
say
we're
having
a
problem
with
e-scooters,
so
none
of
that
existed
in
2016,
17
18
19..
E
D
Thank
you
mike
I'll
make
this
really
quick.
I
know
we're
getting
really
late
chris.
I
really
appreciate
the
effort
you're
putting
into
this
I'm
really
on
the
fence
with
it.
Now,
the
more
I
look
into
it,
the
safety
issues
with
for
the
community
and
and
for
the
people
using
them.
It's
it's
a
real
challenge.
I
mean
a
lot
of
people,
get
hurt
on
these
things
and
it
is
going
to
be
a
never-ending
we're.
Gonna
be
sued
non-stop,
I
mean
you're,
it's
gonna
fill
your
plate
from
what
from
what
I've
heard
another
community.
D
If
we're
gonna
do
it,
I
would
probably
be
in
favor
of
a
a
short
pilot
project.
The
you
know
the
one
thing
about
jacksonville
beach
is
they're.
Really
it's
it's
more
of
a
fun
thing,
because
our
the
distance
that
you
would
have
to
walk
to
get
in
our
downtown
is
not
a
substantial,
substantial
distance
and
we
also
have
beaches
buggies.
We
have.
We
have
a
lot
of
other
last
mile.
We
have
other
last
mile
options
for
people
to
utilize,
let's
see
and
then
for
the
private
scooters.
D
It
takes
a
very
special
person
to
be
a
private
owner,
or
one
of
these
chat
not
just
kidding,
but
I
I
you
know,
I
I'm
not
concerned
about
such
a
small
number
of
those
and
I
don't
foresee
there
being
a
a
very
large
explosion
in
private
ownership,
causing
problems
with
these.
I
did
have
a
couple
projects:
late,
downtown
jacksonville,
apparently
dia
just
turned
on
a
year-long
pilot
project
without
thinking
about
it.
D
So
I'm
very
glad
that
we
are
and
thinking
about
it
in
detail,
but
two
o'clock
in
the
morning
there
was
a
group
of
at
least
at
least
75
high
school
kids
out,
like
in
a
group
blocking
all
the
traffic
just
very
difficult
and
they're
gonna
have
some
major
major
issues.
I
know
that
we
are
not
like.
I
said
chris
you're
doing
a
great
job.
Thinking
about
it,
I'm
definitely
on
the
fence.
The
risk
worth
a
verse
reward
that
we
get
from.
D
These
may
not
be
there
in
my
eyes,
but
the
I
guess
the
only
question
chris
I
had
for
you,
as
you
mentioned
neptune
beach
and
landing
beach
earlier,
and
they
said
no
to
these.
E
D
With
with
a
lot
of
things
that
we
do,
I
I
do
would
like.
I
would
like
to
you
know:
keep
that
in
mind
just
with
the
three
cities,
one
community
philosophy,
to
just
make
sure
we're.
I
mean
I
prefer
to
be
on
the
same
page,
because
if
you
can't,
if
you're
limited
where
you
can
go,
I
think
it's
going
to
cause
a
lot
of
problems.
We're
going
to
get
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
issues
at
that
seagate.
D
When
you
get
up
there-
and
I
would
imagine
if
we're
going
to
do
this-
that
I
don't
know
if
there's
some
additional
signing
or
something
that
we
could,
that
we
could
place
at
that
north
end,
to
try
to
warn
people
or,
if
that's
going,
to
be
a
violation
of
our
of
what
our
standards
are.
And
then
the
other
issue
is
that
just
driving
around
hey
the
new
roads
and
everything
down
here
are
great
and
they
and
they
meet
our
city
standard.
D
E
Thank
you,
mr
nichols.
Thank
you
so
just
to
give
a
little
information
on
two
of
those
points.
So
one
of
our
attorneys
that
represents
several
cities
in
this
central
part
of
this
state.
She
indicated
to
me
that
that
you
know
having
the
geo-fencing
borders
just
wasn't
enough
for
the
users
they
ended
up.
Putting
up
some.
The
city
ended
up
installing
signs
around
their
the
perimeter
area,
warning
users
that
they
are
approaching
a
no
zone
or
a
no
use
zone,
and
then
honestly,
people
started
to
complain
about
having
these
signs
there.
E
D
It
is
a
it
is
a
type
of
visual
pollution
and-
and
just
you
know,
the
quality
of
life
for
our
residents,
maybe
for
our
visitors,
it'll
be
better,
but
for
our
residents
that's
my
concern.
I
mean
they're
they're
first
over
the
over
the
visitors
to
me.
E
Right
and
then
the
second
issue
about
the
use
of
our
streets,
you
mentioned,
you
know
our
our
streets
aren't
designed,
for
example,
as
I
talked
to
our
public
works
personnel,
and
in
particular
this
claim
that
we
got
that
this
particular
person
claims
that
our
street
wasn't
safe
for
her,
which
I
can't
wait
to
defend.
But
the
streets
are
not
designed
for
skateboards,
for
example,
they're
they're
not
designed
for
the
wheels
of
a
brand
new
e-scooter
device
that
wasn't
contemplated
in
the
engineering
or
the
installation
of
a
city
street.
E
E
E
She
may
he,
or
he
may
have
absolutely
no
way
to
control
and
loss
of
control
and
may
claim
that
that
is
actually
a
hazard.
Well,
it's
not
a
hazard,
but
for
an
e-scooter
who
doesn't
know
how
to
heat
scooter
user
who
doesn't
know
how
to
safely
operate
that
then
it
becomes
the
hazard
because
she
doesn't
know
how
to
use
the
e-scooper
properly
on
the
city
street
that
wasn't
designed
for
e-scooters.
D
So
no,
no,
I
I
understand
that,
but
if
any,
if
any
cross
slopes
are
greater
than
then
the
road
was
designed
for,
you
can
go
back
and
pretty
much
look
at
any
road.
The
the
friction
on
the
roadway,
the
any
thermoplastic
anything
else
that,
if
it's
not
done
per
our
standard,
then
it
becomes
a
opening
for
liability.
H
A
Okay,
next
is
counselor
stokes,
followed
by
councillor
mesa.
F
Thanks,
as
you
know,
we've
heard
a
couple
of
times
how
I
own
one
and
to
to
corey's
point
there,
mr
nichols
to
mr
ambrosia's
point.
You
know
I
ride
it.
Like
I
ride
a
bicycle.
You
know
the
roads
to
their
point.
You
you've
got
to
be
careful.
If
you
hit
a
manhole
cover
on
one
of
those
things,
it
gets
shaky.
F
I've
been
I've,
never
had
an
interview.
Personally,
that's
me.
I
know
how
to
operate
it.
I've
operated
them
in
cities
for
rent.
I
own
one.
I
know
how
to
operate
it.
I
know
how
to
operate
a
bicycle.
There's
people
that
ride
the
streets
that
don't
know
how
to
operate
a
bicycle
safely.
Yeah,
that's
that's!
You
know.
It
is
a
very
valid
point
there
that
I
do
see.
I've
got
kind
of
a
long
list
of
questions
I
kind
of
came
up
with
in
the
interest
of
time.
F
I'm
gonna
put
them
in
writing
and
submit
them
to
mr
ambrogio
and
mr
stephopolis,
and
that
way
they
can
review
and
review
the
council
as
necessary.
Because
when
I
read
through
this,
there
is
kind
of
a
lot
of
issues
I
have
and,
and
I
have
a
scooter
and
you
won't
find
somebody
who
wants
proper
regulation
more
than
I
do,
because
I've
seen
the
issues
that
it
could
cause.
F
If
we
don't
do
anything
and
we,
but
but
I'm
also
one
that
I
I
would
not
like
to
see
a
band
because
I
just
don't.
I
don't
believe
in
that.
I
believe
that
it's
a
good
means
to
traverse
the
city.
I
believe
it's
good
for
visitors
and
residents
alike
to
traverse
the
city
and
I
and
I
hope
that
it
can
be
done
responsibly,
but
that's
the
key
word
to
me
is
responsibly,
and
I
think
this
ordinance
is
very
important
to
preserve
that
for
the
future
now
kind
of
tonight.
F
The
issue
is,
is:
do
we
want
a
pilot
program
or
to
just
go
out
full
blasted?
I
would
really
hope
that
we
get
a
very
sound
ordinance
before
we
do
both.
I
would
be
okay
with
a
pilot
program
or
a
full-fledged
program,
but
I
think
that
we
need
our
ordinance
needs
to
be
buttoned
up
top-notch.
I
mean
we
spent
a
lot
of
time
on
animal
code
and
it
was
already
an
ordinance
on
the
books.
F
This
is
a
brand
new
ordinance,
so
I
think
that
we
need
to
take
our
time
if,
if
this
ordinance,
you
know
if
it
doesn't
get
passed
until
the
time
the
moratorium
is
up,
I
don't
think
that's
a
huge
issue.
I
talked
with
mr
dewitt
and
he's
almost
in
the
same
boat.
He
doesn't
need
to
rush
these
scooters
out.
He
wants
to
have
a
proper
ordinance.
I
want
to
have
a
proper
ordinance
and
I
own
one.
F
So
I
think
that's
super
important
and
I
think
that
it
it's
something
we
should
really
focus
on
and
not
rush
rush,
a
pilot
program,
not
rush
a
full-fledged
program
until
we
we
have
something
pretty
sound.
One
thing
I
did
I
one
question
I
wanted
to
ask
tonight
and
is
on
3192
chris.
It
talks
a
lot
about
the
indemnification
and
insurance.
You
mentioned
a
lot
of
litigation
issues.
F
E
That's
a
great
point,
so
3192
provides
for
a
very
extensive
indemnification
provision
in
terms
of
the
program
and
the
law,
our
local
law.
The
vendor
would
have
to
agree
to
this
indemnification
now
in
order
to
obtain
a
permit.
It's
part
of
the
application
process,
so
once
they
get
to
that
point,
they've
submitted
their
application,
they've
signed
off
on
the
permit
request
and
the
application,
if
they're
granted
the
permit-
and
they
have
already
agreed
to
this
indemnification
provision
which
really
covers
us
well.
E
But
what
would
happen
is
there's
an
accident
by
a
user,
the
user
sues.
All
of
us,
like,
I
said
the
city,
the
local
vendor
manufacturer
most
likely,
and
the
argument
is
going
to
be
from
the
vendor
that
this
provision
is
invalid,
despite
them
having
gone
through
the
process
of
agreeing
to
it
in
order
to
obtain
their
permit,
recognized
it
and
signed
off
on
it.
E
Ultimately,
their
insurance
company
is
going
to
argue
that
it's
an
invalid
indemnification
provision
required
by
law
in
that
that
insurance
company
is
not
going
to
or
refuse
to
provide
us
with
indemnification
and
defense.
And
then
we
will
get
into
a
second
level
of
litigation
which
is
essentially
insurance,
defense
insurance,
indemnification
litigation.
F
E
Don't
have
that
I
haven't
been
able
to
find
that,
but
keep
in
mind
that
a
lot
of
these
accidents
and
that
turn
into
claims
or
lawsuits
are
most
likely
like
much
civil
litigation.
90
or
more
are
being
settled
outside
of
a
court,
so
you
don't
necessarily
have
I
don't
necessarily
have
the
opportunity
to
go
on
to
my
legal
research
engine
and
pull
up
a
court
opinion
and
a
final
judgment
that
describes
the
scenarios
that
I'm
describing
for
you
here.
But
what
is
happening
is
there's
litigation.
E
All
these
battles
are
occurring
and
then
ultimately
like
in
most
litigation.
There
is
some
resolution
or
settlement
comes
down
to
some.
You
know
everybody
agreeing
to
something
and
everybody
being
unhappy
with
something
with
like
mediation,
you're
kind
of
happy,
and
not
that's.
Typically,
what
happened
so
in
terms
of
published
cases
that
I
can
find.
That's
not
going
to
be
very
easy
to
find.
E
You
know,
quite
frankly,
if
we
got
caught
up
in
the
scenario
that
I
just
described,
nine
out
of
ten
times
we're
going
to
end
up
settling
that
case,
and
so
you
won't
be
able
to
go
on
to
it.
You
know
into
a
legal
research
engine
and
find
out
all
the
details.
The
final
judgment,
the
ruling.
F
H
Yes,
if
we
were
to
move
forward
with
this,
the
other
question
I
have
is:
let's
say
we
have
a
huge
weekend
downtown.
Can
we
or
are
we
allowed
to
limit
the
amount
of
scooters
that
are
rented
out
throughout
that
certain
day
or
is
it
just
okay.
E
H
Yeah
and
also
I
I
went
downtown
the
week,
the
scooters
were
introduced
and
yeah.
Some
people
should
not
rent
these
scooters,
they're,
not
responsible.
I
I
yeah,
I
just
downtown
it's
a
whole
different
story.
I
don't
want
to
see
that
here,
but
I
also
want
to
see
some
kind
of
legislation
and
that
we're
doing
this
and
chris,
it's
good
good
draft
good
job.
J
Thank
you.
Can
you
hear
me
so
just
a
point
of
information
question
from
early
earlier?
Do
we
already
not
allow
motorized
vehicles
on
the
boardwalk.
J
Okay,
thank
you.
I
think
that
the
point
of
georgette's
point
of
the
last
mile
and
and
corey's
point
that
these
are
in
our
case
are
really
more
recreational.
J
I
I
totally
get
their
functionality
in
a
larger
city
to
get
you
from
that
bus,
stop
or
subway
station
or
whatever
to
the
office
or
from
the
office
to
lunch.
Or
what
have
you
and
they're
really
useful
in
that?
But
in
our
case
I
think
they
are.
They
are
basically
largely
going
to
be
recreational
use.
So
my
enthusiasm
for
them
is
definitely
simmering
for
that.
J
Because
of
that
thought,
they're,
not
necessarily
that
functional
piece
of
transportation
that
they
are
in
bigger
cities,
but
also
just
seeing
the
reaction
in
downtown
jacksonville
and
then
the
guy
on
the
his
personal
scooter,
who
almost
went
across
my
windshield
and
it
wasn't
chet,
but
he's
he's
lucky
he's
fine.
He
ran
no
stop
sign,
so
the
I'm
I'm
calming
down
on
this
a
little
bit
but
just
kind
of
thinking
outside
the
box.
J
If
we
did
it
more
like
how
people
can
rent
a
bike,
or
even
I
know,
years
ago,
I
rented
like
little
vespa
scooters
one
time
what
if
we
did
it
more
like
that
and
we
had
beach
life
rentals
or
whoever
the
provider
was,
you
could
rent
a
scooter
or
a
scooter
for
a
certain
amount
of
time
you
check
it
out,
and
then
you
check
it
back
in.
I
feel
like
there
would
be
the
more
responsibility
some
of
the
logistic
issues
that
we
talked
about
a
lot
in
january.
J
We
haven't
talked
about
them
as
much
today,
but
we
could
avoid
some
of
those
being
left
on
the
street.
Things
like
that,
so
they
would
take
away.
Some
of
that
element
is
that
something
that's
been
considered.
Is
it
even
worth
looking
into
just
kind
of
flipping
the
model
versus
what
we're
seeing
in
the
bigger
cities.
E
E
The
fewer
number
of
those
helps
us
in
terms
of
the
public
safety
sense.
If
there
was
one
central
location
from
the
vendor's
main
office,
for
example,
that
would
help
that
would
help.
E
You
know
the
some
of
the
discussions
that
we've
had
are
potentially
a
vendor
might
have
five
or
six
different
locations
where
these
are
located,
there's
going
to
be
a
rebalancing
or
a
redistribution,
meaning
that
if
they
were
to
have
125
units
that
these
you
know,
five
or
six
locations
are
going
to
have
15
to
20,
25
scooters
and
those
are
going
to
be
spread
out
throughout
our
city.
Well,
at
least
within
the
service
area,
of
course,
for
the
police
department,
that's
going
to
be
much
more
difficult
to
regulate.
E
It's
also
going
to
be
much
more
difficult
for
planning
and
development
to
be
sure
that
all
the
zoning
requirements
are
being
complied
with.
Also
it's
going
to
that
would
create
a
greater
opportunity
for
the
devices
to
be
left
in
places
that
are.
D
E
Spread
out,
if
the
program
that's
in
place
requires
the
user
to
bring
the
device
back
to
the
central
location
that
helps
a
lot
that
helps
the
rentals
from
one
central
location.
The
return
is
required
to
be
at
a
central
location
and
again
that
really
proves
that
this
is
a
recreational
use.
For
example,
in
austin
and
portland
two
cities
are
researched.
You'll
find
that
you
know,
like
you,
said
mayor.
Those
are
large
cities,
you
have
people
that
live
20
blocks
outside
of
downtown
portland
that
come
into
downtown
portland
to
work
every
single
day.
E
Well,
portland
promote
when
you
know
they
want
to
cut
down
on
vehicle
traffic.
Of
course
they
want
to
have
the
e-scooters
come
in.
We
don't
have
that
situation.
We
don't
have
anybody,
that's
going
to
be
riding
the
new
scooter.
You
know
to
work,
I
mean
I've.
Never
I
haven't
heard
that
yet
I
don't
know
mr
stokes
might
do
it,
but
but
we
don't
really
have
that
and
you
know
to
contemplate
one
central
location
for
rental
going
out
using
them
on
a
recreational
basis.
Coming
back
and
returning
it,
I
mean
that
that's
that's!
E
J
I
think
it
would
also
dictate
the
hours
because
the
provider
is
not
going
to
want
to
be
waiting
around
until
11
o'clock
to
get
those
things
back.
J
So
I
could
see
that
just
the
natural
use
would
be
daytime
hours
when
they're
already
operating
their
rental
program,
but
I
could
also
see
dropping
off
a
couple
scooters
at
margaritaville
for
the
for
the
people
that
have
ordered
them
or
whatever,
and
then
they
come
and
pick
them
up
at
margaritaville
at
the
end
of
the
day,
or
something
like
that,
so
that
we
wouldn't
have
to
worry
about
them
littering
and
I'm
just
I'm
just
thinking
out
loud.
J
I
I
thought
of
this
in
january
and
didn't
bring
it
up
since
it
seemed
like
we
were.
We
were
kind
of
on
this
path,
but
I
think
there's
some,
I
think,
we're
all
kind
of
in
the
middle
of
the
road,
no
scooter
pun
intended
there
that
and
I
agree
with
chad.
I
think
it's
worth
doing
this
doing
this
right
and
safely
and
that
our
our
staff,
especially
our
police
department,
can
feel
at
least
relatively
assured
and
and
if
we
can
do
a
pilot
that
that
dictates
this
type
of
a
business
model.
J
Then
maybe
we
grow
into
something
later.
If
we
see
that
it's
something
that
we
can
do
successfully,
but
I
I'm
fine
he's
continuing
to
ease
into
this.
E
And-
and
some
of
those
are
some
of
the
critical
questions
that
you
know
honestly,
I
know
it's
we're
running
late
already
and
I
can't
I'd
have
to
get
direction
from
council
at
some
point,
because
the
a
significant
part
of
this
program
is
will
there?
Will
the
council
allow
corrals
to
be
a
number
of
corrals
to
be
zoned,
or
at
least
you
know
conditionally
permitted
around
the
city?
If
the
answer
is
no,
then
the
ordinance
takes
a
completely
different
shape.
I
mean
there's
no
discussions
about
there's
no
material.
E
I
work
on
for
corrals,
there's
very
a
much
more
reduced
concern
about
governing
those
corrals
going
through
the
conditional
use
process,
the
fees
and
that
are
associated
with
applying
for
those
of
traditional
uses
at
various
locations.
So
I
know
we
can't
accomplish
it
all
tonight.
It's
7
30
I'll
stay
on
as
long
as
you
want,
but
I
know
you
guys
will
kill
me
if
I
keep
talking,
but
but
these
there
are
four
or
five
very
critical
elements
to
an
ordinance,
even
with
a
pilot
program
that
at
some
point
you
may
I
may
I'm.
E
I
think
I
am
going
to
ask
council
for
me
to
bring
this
topic
back
for
another
briefing
discussion
where
we
get
into
the
nitty-gritty
of
what
you
want
to
see
in
the
ordinance,
because
for
me
to
continue
to
draft
it.
Even
if
council
is
directing
me
to
draft
it
as
a
pilot
program,
then
I
need
to
really
start
to.
You
know
sink
my
teeth
into
a
ordinance
proportions.
You
want
out
proportions.
E
You
want
in
of
your
pilot
program
and
keeping
in
mind
that
whatever
we
put
in
there
in
that
pilot
program
ordinance,
those
are,
as
we
have
agreed,
one
to
serve
public
safety,
but
two
elements
of
the
program
that
you
want
to
observe
and
we
want
to
learn
from
over.
However
long
you
want
that
pilot
program
to
be
so.
E
But
we
need
to
be
able
to
learn
at
the
end
of
our
pilot
program,
so
I
I
would
ask
that
you
know
mike
and
council
at
some
point,
decide
for
this
to
be
another
topic,
so
that
I
so
that
I
can
really
now
go
to
the
second
stage
of
a
pilot
program.
Ordinance.
E
If
that's
how
you'd
like
me
to
proceed,
and
then
I
you
know
frankly,
I
need
to
then
meet
with
the
department
of
directors
so
that
we
can
see
that
as
our
second
step,
so
where
our
first
couple
of
steps
were,
let's
meet
to
at
least
get
counsel,
some
form
of
a
working
draft
of
ornaments.
So
they
can
see
some
of
the
elements
that
keep
elements
of
what
the
ordinance
would
be.
E
But
if
you
would
like
a
pilot
program,
then
I
need
to
regroup
with
the
direct
directors
and
say:
okay,
here's
the
pilot
program
and
the
key
elements
that
the
council
would
like
to
see
and
say:
nine,
twelve
months
later,
we're
going
to
be
revisiting
this.
We
need
good
information
that
we've
learned
to
come
back
and
help
educate
the
council
to
make
further
decisions.
E
So
we
might
need
another
briefing
topic
on
this
briefing
scheduled
for
this
topic.
A
G
So
I
just
I'm
not
going
to
repeat
a
lot
of
what
everybody
else
has
said,
but
I
will
say
this
has
been
a
very,
very
good
discussion.
I
want
to
thank
you
chris
and
elise
for
all
the
work
that
you've
done
and
the
research
that
you
did
too.
I
share
your
concerns
and
I
share
the
concerns
that
the
department
heads
have,
and
I
think
those
are
that's
important-
that
as
a
council,
we
we
need
to
take
those
concerns
into
account.
I
did
talk
to
mr
dewitt.
G
I
will
say
that
he
he
is
concerned
about
safety
as
well,
and
so
I
don't
have
any
doubt
that
he
is
going
to
be
willing
to
work
with
us
and
whatever
we
decide
to
do
as
to
the
recreational
use
discussion,
I
agree
I
feel
like
if
they're
just
used
in
our
downtown
area,
then
it
is,
is
more
of
a
recreational
use.
G
However,
if
the
other
beaches
decide
that
they
want
to
have
the
the
scooters
as
well
well,
then
the
scooters
are
no
longer
recreational
because
they
can
be
very
functional
to
get
you
from
jacks
beach
to
atlantic
beach
or
whatever.
But
for
now,
if
we're
the
only
ones
that
are
going
to
be
doing
anything,
then
definitely
it
is
strictly
recreational.
And
so
I
like
mayor
hoffman's,
idea
about
the
bicycle
rental
model,
where
you
know.
I
think
that
simplifies
everything
for
us
and
we
start
with
baby
steps.
G
We
we
don't
try
to
do
everything
right
off
the
bat
and
and
and
and
we
just
yeah.
We
just
take
everything
in
baby
steps,
but
I
am
definitely
on
the
same
page
with
chet
that
I
think
we
need
to
take
our
time
on
this
and
and
really
make
sure
that
we
have
something
good
in
place
before
we
launch
anything.
A
Thank
you,
counselor,
and
what
I
was
going
to
throw
out
was
a
couple
reminders.
The
first
is
that
we're
only
three
months
in
on
what
was
a
12-month
moratorium,
so
we
still
have
plenty
of
time
to
make
decisions
with
regards
to
this
particular
ordinance.
If
that's
the
direction
that
we
go,
the
second
was
and
councilor
golding.
I
appreciate
you
bringing
it
back
up.
A
So
the
the
first
thing
I
wanted
to
throw
out
is:
would
council
like
to
wait
a
few
months
and
see
what
ultimately
happens
with
neptune
in
atlantic,
whether
they
do
an
outright
ban
or
whether
they
do
some
type
of
regulation,
because
clearly,
I
think
that
would
change
the
the
model
that
we're
looking
at
for
exactly
the
reasons
that
were
just
expressed
so
is
there?
Is
there
a
desire
to
wait
to
see
what
neptune
and
atlantic
do
over
the
next
few
months
before
you
actually
move
forward
with
anything?
A
The
second
would
be-
and
this
is
a
question
more
for
chris
ambrosio-
I'm
presuming
chris-
that
we
would
have
the
ability
to
regulate
the,
not
just
the
number
of
corrals
but
the
location
of
corrals.
A
So
if
we
wanted
to,
let's
say
one
of
the
two
licensed
vendors
or
either
licensed
vendor
could
only
establish
corrals
at
hotels.
A
C
A
E
Accordingly,
yes,
absolutely
and
mike
before
we
get
too
off
the
topic
when
you
observe
or
wait
to
see
what
a
b
and
nb
do.
Let
me
point
out
that
I
believe
both
beaches
have
a
one-year
temporary
moratorium
in
place,
and
the
attorneys
have
shared
with
me
that
there
does
not
seem
to
be
any
motivation
or
any
sense
of
hurrying
to
make.
B
J
But
they
all
on
on
that
point,
though,
they
may
even
look
at
us.
If
we
do
come
up
with
a
recreational,
you
know
kind
of
day
rental
model.
It
may
make
sense
for
neptune
beach
to
to
adopt
that
sort
of
a
strategy,
because
that's
just
less
traffic
less
parking
issues
for
for
their
restaurants
and
businesses.
So
I
don't
want
to
wait
on
them.
I
think
they
should
be
watching
what
we
do.
A
I'm
seeing
some
other
heads
nod
so
chris,
it
sounds
like
we
may
want
to
bring
something
back
at
a
future
briefing
with
maybe
some
tweaks
to
the
proposed
ordinance.
Based
on
what
we've
heard
here
tonight,.
I
A
Well,
I
think
that's
going
to
be
a
question
for
council
when
we
come
to
what
I'm
presuming
would
be
the
adoption
of
a
pilot
program.
It
sounds
like
everyone
wants
to
make
sure
that
we
take
this
slowly
and
don't
rush
into
anything.
So
I'm
even
seeing
heads
nod
now,
as
we
say
the
word
pilot
program.
So
I
think
what
we're
talking
about
is
the
structure
of
a
pilot
and
keeping
in
mind
that
a
pilot
program
is
meant
to
be
modified.
A
I
think
chris
hit
the
nail
on
the
head
that
it's
something
to
learn
from,
so
we
might
be
talking
about
putting
a
pilot
program
in
place
and
then
revisiting
it
every
three
months
for
the
for
a
six
to
nine
month
window
to
see
what
we've
learned
and
what
we,
what
we
may
want
to
change
for
a
permanent
ordinance.
J
And
I
think
that
my
point
of
being
able
to
rent
it-
you
know
for
a
half
day
or
whatever
it
could
be
recreational,
but
could
also
be
functional.
I
think
the
the
idea
of
neptune
beach
wanting,
I
mean
yes,
it
changes
the
use,
but
it
wouldn't
change
my
recommended
strategy
of
of
having,
like
the
point
of
rental
and
return
versus
just
leaving
them
out
and
about
so
it
would
just
be
more
of
a
different
model
than
what
we're
seeing
with
the
lime
bird.
Those
types
of
companies.
A
So
obviously,
if
there's
a
desire
to
make
it
truly
recreational,
where
it
has
to
be
returned
to
the
same
location
that
it
was
rented
from,
then
chris
could
structure
the
ordinance
such
that
it's
restrictive.
The
the
license
is
for
a
set
location
and
the
vehicle
must
be
rented
from
and
returned
to
that
location.
A
So
if
there
is
a
restaurant
somewhere
in
the
downtown
that
wants
to
participate
with
a
vendor,
they
would
have
to
go
through
the
conditional
use
process
and
chris
correct
me,
if
I'm
wrong
on
any
of
this.
But
they
would
have
to
go
through
the
conditional
use
process
and
then
have
a
private
corral
set
up
on
their
private
property.
A
So
someone
could
rent
from
point
a
travel
to
point
b
park,
the
scooter
on
private
property
while
they
dine
or
grab
a
bite
to
eat
and
then
ultimately
could
get
back
on
the
scooter
and
ride
it
back
to
point
a
where
they
originally
rented
it
from
that's
right.
But
but
it
could
not
be
left
on
the
sidewalks
that
would
be
prohibited
and
result
in
the
scooter
being
picked
up
taken
to
the
police
station
in
the
business
owner
being
levy
to
find.
E
Right
and
the
corrals
would
have
to
be
defined
and
provided
and
designated
when
the
application
is
made,
so
that
planning
and
development
can
view
that
and
approve
that
as
a
conditional
use
area
where
that
corral
is
going
to
actually
be.
I
won't
get
into
the
all
the
nuances
and
details
of
the
different
types
of
corrals
that
are
out
there,
but
yeah
that's
a
conditional
use
through
planning
and
development
that
have
to
get
approved,
and
then,
ultimately,
I
think
I
drafted
it
in
here,
so
that.
G
D
E
E
Because
we,
you
know
originally,
when
we
confronted
the
temporary
moratorium
emergencies,
condition
that
we
all
confronted.
So
we
didn't
talk
about
a
pilot
program
at
that
time.
At
that
point,
we
council
was
discussing
we'd
like
to
have
we'd
like
to
have
a
temporary
moratorium.
Definitely,
let's
do
that
for
public
safety,
but
we'd
like
the
city
attorney
to
start
to
look
into
and
prepare
an
ordinance
that
would
allow
these
commercial
commercial
vendors
to
operate
in
a
particular
area
of
our
city.
I
B
E
Sorry,
yes,
that
helps
I'm
sorry.
If
that's
what
you
meant,
mr
jansen,
I
wasn't
sure
we
can
extend
the
temporary
moratorium
if
you'd
like
I
can
do
a
new
ordinance.
I
can
amend
the
ordinance.
You
have
the
power
and
authority
to
extend
the
moratorium
if
you'd
like
to
do
that.
So
if
we
get
closer
to
december
of
this
year-
and
we
see
that
that
is
necessary
and
that's
what
you
direct
me
to
do,
I
can
handle
that
for
you,
of
course,.
E
But
we
wouldn't
want
to
allow
the
temporary
moratorium
to
expire
by
time.
And
let
me
let
me
just
pull
it
up
real
quick.
E
Twenty
and
let
me
let
me
just
comment
real
quickly
again
again
about
mr
dewitt,
mr
dewitt
by
the
way-
was,
of
course,
our
only
vendor
at
the
time,
and
he
was
extremely
compliant
with
everything,
as
you
all
know,
and
just
wanted
to
point
that
out
a
minute
that
temporary
moratorium
was
instituted.
He
contacted
me
for
clarifications
that
he
was
definitely
going
to
follow
the
law
and
he
did
so.
Temporary
moratorium
worked
out
perfectly
for
what
council's
intentions
were
in
eastern
way.
It
was
a
very
responsible
business.
E
I'm
sorry
the
the
the
more
the
ordinance
was
dated
december
21st.
I
worked
on
it
on
december
9th
I
apologize,
so
it
was
authenticated
and
approved
on
december
21st
2020.
A
In
the
event
that
council
were
to
put
a
pilot
program
in
place
in
the
next
three
months
or
so
that
would
give
us
about
a
six-month
monitoring
window
and,
as
the
city
attorneys
pointed
out,
we
could
always
extend
that
moratorium
if
necessary
and
continue
with
the
pilot
program
if
more
information
were
needed,
or
if
the
council
wanted
to
tweak
the
program,
the
way
it
was
operating
and
what
you've
heard
or
seen
for
feedback
at
that
time.
H
I
have
a
quick
question:
when
did
kurt
start
ranting
out
the
e-scooters?
Was
it
right
before
covet
or
right
around
covet?
I
can't
remember.
E
Right,
I'm
not
sure-
and
I
I
I
understand
it's
a
briefing
so
mr
dewitt
can't,
but
I
think
I
think
it
was
actually
well
well
after
that,
because
I
don't
think
we
started
to
encounter
them
until
the
summer
of
2020..
E
Okay.
So
mr
meza,
I
don't
remember
seeing
them
in
march,
say
beginning
of
when
you're
experiencing
covet
that
that
it
really
started
to
hit
us
as
a
as
a
so
okay,
so
mark
evans
has
given
us
a
thumbs
up.
It
was
more
like
the
summer
time
going
into
the
fall.
We
started
to
see
them
and
then
mike
and
myself
we
started
to
also
see
them
stationary
and
positioned
at
various
hotels,
and
then
we
would
see
them
on
the
streets.
So
that
was
really
the
end
of
summer
and
beginning
of
fall.
H
A
I
think
we
had
some
really
good
dialogue
from
council
tonight
on
this
particular
topic.
The
city
attorney
and
I,
along
with
some
of
the
individual
departments,
will
put
our
heads
together
and
plan
on
bringing
this
back
to
you
at
an
upcoming
briefing
in
the
next
month
or
two
with
some
additional
options
for
you
to
consider
on
how
to
move
forward.
But
I
think
we've
got
an
idea
of
what
some
of
your
concerns
are
and
how
we
may
want
to
proceed
going
forward.
A
Okay
with
that
being
said,
I
know
it's
7.50.
I
know
everyone
wants
to
get
off
the
line,
but
I
did
have
just
a
couple
of
clearing
house
items
to
talk
to
council
about
really
quickly.
The
first
one
is.
You
may
have
seen
that
we
received
an
email
earlier
today
regarding
a
supposed
festival.
That's
going
to
be
had
within
our
municipal
boundaries
at
the
end
of
june.
I
just
wanted
to
assure
all
of
the
council
members.
A
The
second
thing
is
to
let
you
know
that
we
did
make
the
the
formal
decision
today
to
cancel
the
opening
of
the
beaches,
parade
the
parade,
in
particular,
while
the
vaccines
are
still
rolling
out
and
and
they're
going
at
a
pretty
good
pace
and
the
governor
just
dropped
the
age
limit
to
50..
A
We
do
have
some
concern
concerns
with
the
logistics
of
actually
holding
a
parade
at
this
time
and
having
that
many
people
in
close
quarters
in
our
downtown-
and
we
did
also
want
to
report
that
the
easter
egg
hunt
for
april
3rd
will
continue
at
wingate
park.
A
The
reckon
parks
department
can
appropriately
stagger
the
easter
egg
hunt
by
age
group
and
have
appropriate
time
settings
for
when
those
events
occur
such
that
we
feel
that
that
would
be
an
appropriate
event
to
move
forward
with,
and
those
were
the
last
things
I
wanted
to
put
on
your
radar
before
the
end
of
the
briefing
tonight.
A
With
that
being
said,
I've
got
nothing
else
for
counsel
and
if
you've
got
any
questions
for
me,
I'll
be
in
the
office
tomorrow
feel
free.
To
give
me
a
call,
but
chances
are
you're.
Probably
hearing
more
information
from
us
in
the
future
on
a
couple
of
other
topics:
council
jansen,
you
have
a
question.
D
A
We're
meeting
on
that
tomorrow,
myself,
the
police
department
and
several
other
representatives
from
the
organization.