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B
December,
you
all
met
and
developed
a
process
for
doing
the
evaluation.
It's
like
you
know
the
last
time
the
city
get
a
city
manager,
the
valuations
in
2009.
So
this
is
my
charted
territory
for
us,
but
so
in
the
process
you
get
requested.
Department
directors
do
a
assessment
of
the
city,
managers,
staffing
and
supervision
and
evaluation,
and
that
was
for
solid
eight,
as
we
presented
to
you
and
then
the
city
manager
prepared.
B
All
of
the
evaluations
into
one
evaluation
which
I've
distributed
to
you
guys
so
tonight
we're
here
to
discuss
the
city
managers
performance
and
then
there
is
an
item
on
the
agenda
for
the
city
management
performance
as
well
as
proposed.
Marriage
increases
one
of
the
things
in
the
city
managers
contract
that
stipulates
in
there
that
says
that,
after
conducting
an
annual
review,
the
city
manager's
job
performance,
the
City
Council
shall
consider
the
results
of
his
performance
and
guidelines
of
five
department,
heads
in
the
Tribune
about
salary
adjustment
and
a
benefit
adjustment
for
the
city
manager.
A
B
B
Discrete
by
the
3.0
100,
but
not
to
say
an
average
of
3%,
and
in
addition
to
that,
the
department
directors
eligible
for
merit
increase
on
their
annual
anniversary
and
that
America
increased
goes
anywhere
from
2
to
3%,
2%
being
if
they
meet
their
criteria,
the
two
and
a
half
percent
above
and
3
percent
of
bakes.
So
if
you're
gonna
use
that
criteria
for
the
evaluation
for
the
city
manager,
then
obviously
you
would
be
looking
at
anywhere
from
a
three
to
six
percent.
Okay.
C
C
Think
it's
really
a
question.
I,
don't
think
the
discussion
will
be.
He
gets
the
three
because
everybody
else
got
a
three
and
then
a
two
or
a
three
I
mean
for
coming
in
and
getting
his
feet
wet
already.
We
handle
it
as
many
issues
as
he
has
I
need.
These
scores,
like
you
just
said,
speak
for
themselves.
I.
Think
every
person
is
on
that.
A
D
D
You
know
that
end.
You
know
roll
so
smoothly
and
you
know
that
looks
good
to
the
future.
So
this
is
fingerspells
point
about
the
6%
I
mean
I.
Can
sleep
neither
my
what
that,
because
in
this
case
exactly
they
deserve
it?
We
would
like
to
keep
you.
It
was
a
big
transition
for
you
and
your
family
to
come
up
here
and
you
know
not
just
gonna
say
it's
gonna
be
sacred
every
year
or
every
valuation,
but
I
think
you
know
for
this
initial
one.
You
know
I'm
comfortable
and.
F
Yes,
but
I
also
want
to
make
sure
that
people
know
that
the
3%,
the
first
3%,
is
to
align
back
with
the
salary
negotiations.
That
would
just
pass
with
me
with
unions.
So
it's
not
in
first
year
you're
getting
six
percent
raise
and
then
the
other
is
merit-based
and
that
this
first
year
he
has
had
a
lot
on
his
plate.
Two
pennies
he's
accomplished.
A
C
F
On
the
process,
I
think
this
was
more
of
a
180
60.
The
next
time,
I
would
suggest
that
we
also
asked
the
city
managers
that
he
works
with,
as
well
as
those
who
have
to
interact
with
in
Jacksonville,
so
we
get
a
better
understanding
of
how
he
is
perceived
by
those
he
has
to
work
with.
In
addition
to
work
for
and
then
the
section
two
third
questions,
it's
three
different
skill
sets
they're
being
asked
for
understand,
question.
A
A
You
came
in
very,
very
professionally.
You
were
genuine
you're
open.
We've
made
some
really
good
changes.
I
think
you've
done
a
tremendous
job.
I
certainly
support
the
6%.
Raise
I
would
tell
you
that
we're
going
to
be
evaluated
by
the
public
on
how
we,
how
we
do
things
that
are
gonna,
make
Jacksonville
Beach
better
in
the
future
and
I
think
one
of
the
most
importantly,
we've
done
some
more.
C
I,
like
the
process
I
mean
a
public
process
was
the
level
that
360
is
is
necessary
and
you
know
it's
nice
getting
the
division
heads,
but
it's
also
I'm
not
sure
if
there
was
a
major
problem
that
would
come
out
through
that
process
anyway,
knowing
that
kind
of
reviewing
your
boss
so
but
I
mean
I,
I
did
like
I
was
very
happy
with
what
they
did
say:
I'm,
okay,
with
continuing
that
that
would
be
a
little
bit
circling
outside
of
outside
of
the
city
of
doing
that.
Cuz
I
think
we
we
can
get
that.
F
Think
dress
that
that's
the
whole
purpose
of
the
city
manager
is
the
outreach
of
the
city
and
to
work
with
other
cities
and
that
really,
especially
in
art,
you
know
with
the
interlocal
agreement
and
how
we
are
structured
as
a
county
in
the
beach'
city.
It's
important
to
make
sure
that
they
also
see
you
as
a
team
player.
F
We
might
get
some
word
of
it,
but
those
of
us
who
don't
really
talked
officials,
would
it
no
the
administrative
functions
within
there,
so
how
you
worked
with
Jacksonville
with
the
fire
department
contract.
That
would
have
been
good
to
know
like
that
kind
of
information,
about
just
like
to
see
more
outreach
with
quarterly
with
cities
like
that.
So
just
a
little
bit.
D
E
I
was
just
going
to
say,
I
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
serve
this
community.
This
council
has
given
me
I
recognized
that
three
of
you
sitting
up
here,
we're
not
part
of
the
selection
process
to
bring
me
in
with
that
being
said,
I
think
that
you
all
right
now
have
a
pretty
good
dynamic
in
working
together
to
get
things
done
for
the
best
interest
of
the
City
of
Jacksonville.
Each
I
can't
take
the
credit
for
everything
that
this
organization
has
accomplished.
E
It
may
start
with
the
CEO,
but
it
goes
through
the
deputy
city
manager,
all
department
directors,
all
staff
that
are
here
as
well.
Their
success
is
reply,
my
success
and
so
more
of
a
record
I,
just
like
to
give
a
big
shout
out
to
all
the
employees
as
well.
They
have
done
an
excellent
job.
They
have
responded
to
a
new
type
of
leadership,
to
a
new
philosophy
of
how
we
work
together
going
forward
and
they
seem
to
be
embracing
a
lot
so
I.
Thank
you
for
this
past
year
and
thank
you
for
the.
E
E
E
E
So
the
city
attorney
wanted
an
opportunity
to
speak
to
you
all
night
regarding
an
item.
That's
on
the
agenda
for
tonight
regarding
tooms
Baptist,
hospital's,
request
for
a
land
development
code
change
and
the
city
attorney
put
together.
I
guess:
you'd
call
it
quite
a
lengthy
legal
analysis
and
obviously
it
could
spend
a
whole
lot
of
time
in
the.
H
A
Pharisee
so
the
you
know,
and
this
when
this
issue
first
came
to
my
attention.
When
I
first
came
on
board,
it
was
made
known
to
me
that
there
was
the
council
and
the
Planning
Commission,
as
well
as
a
planning.
The
development
director
did
not
have
a
benefit
of
a
thorough
legal
analysis
of
what
the
purpose
was
in
the
application
of
lies.
H
So
in
order
to
address
it,
I
prepared
a
memorandum,
and
that
serves
as
a
supplement
to
the
claim
and
development
agenda
item
memoranda
and
also
we've
had
discussions
with
Baptist
representatives
and
those
discussions
have
been
fruitful
and
helpful,
and
cooperative
and
professional,
and
it's
been
a
pleasure
meeting
with
the
Baptist
representatives
and
it's
been
great
working
with
them
and
you
haven't
shut
our
doors
and
we're
not
done
working
with
them.
But
this
is
my
memorandum.
H
So
that's
been
in
place
for
many
years
and
then
during
2015
time
period,
where,
when
local
governments
were
essentially
scrambling
to
address
their
scienter
issues
in
reaction
to
Rheem
vs.
pound
Gilbert,
which
addressed
local
signage
issues,
Jackson
Beach
was
one
of
those
local
governments
that
went
through
the
course
of
hiring
asan
constitutional
law.
Spine
experts
expected
the
public
resources
for
those
purposes
to
address
their
sign
code
and
to
shore
up
and
make
sound
constitutionally
sound
in
the
sign
code
and
the
way
that
our
psycho
currently
is
Constitution
and
we're
in
a
good
position.
H
That's
where
we
currently
sent
my
memorandum
walks
us
through
the
problems
that
we
could
possibly
encounter
if
we
were
to
change
that
prohibition
and
it
walks
you
through
what
my
viewpoint
is-
is
a
fairly
long
list
of
the
problems
that
the
proposed
ordinance
from
the
hospital
has
as
well.
So
I'd
like
for
you
to
consider
it
in
two
contexts.
One
is
where
the
City
of
Jacksonville
Beach
sign
code
prohibits
off-site
signs
and
billboards.
That's
perfectly
constitutionally
legal
and
sound
prohibition
and
describe
the
reasons
why.
H
Historically,
it's
been
the
standard
that
the
city
has
had
in
place
and
then
the
second
way
to
look
at
this
is
the
reason
why
the
ordinance
that's
proposed
would
cause
us
trouble
if
we
were
to
and
make
those
adjustments,
not
that
we
don't
want
to
work
with
Baptist
Hospital,
of
course,
but
it's
that
the
weight
of
the
current
proposed
ordinance
is
drafted.
It
defeats
all
of
the
years
of
the
council's
efforts
of
creating
this
constitutionally
sound
offside.
C
H
Have
mayor
I've
I
thought
it
got
it
through
in
every
context
that
I
could
possibly
think
of
that
would
benefit
the
public
or
get
the
guests
to
RC
tourists
to
our
city
in
terms
of
the
importance
of
informing
those
people
where
a
hospital
is
or
where
an
emergency,
a
hospital
emergency
room.
It's
and,
of
course,
the
outstanding
emergency
services
dead
batteries
offers
I've
thought
that,
through
in
terms
of
why
a
sign
directing
those
members
of
our
public
is
it
government
interests,
I
thought.
In
what
way
can
we
need
a
city
possibly
provide
the
wayfinding?
H
A
more
directional
sign,
an
informative
sign
to
help
direct
people
that
are
in
need
emergency
type
need
to
baptists,
emergency
room,
knowing
that
that
is
the
only
hospital
on
island?
You
know
the
beaches
area
that
provides
that
unique
type
of
hospital
emergency
room.
It's
available
24/7
365
days
a
year.
They
have
outstanding
emergency
room,
physicians
and
nursing
staff.
They
have
the
equipment
that
only
a
hospital
of
that
quality
emergency
room
would
have
they
have
Diagnostics
and
testings,
and
all
the
equipment
that
a
trauma
patient
would
need
make
those
points,
because
those
are.
H
Definitely
considered
that
in
what
way
can
the
city
help
residents
and
guests
and
the
public
to
define
that
unique
emergency
room
I
haven't
fleshed
it
out
completely,
because
there's
there's
a
lot
of
details
to
it.
The
quandary
is
is
that
the
hospital
doesn't
provide
any
if
the
hospital's
unfortunate
event.
Something
goes
wrong
with
hospital
care
and
HR
I
mean
in
the
ER.
That's
that's
hospitals,
alleged
malpractice.
It's
the
hospital's
alleged
wrongdoing.
It's
not
a
city
service!
It's
not
a
government
service.
D
H
No
but
I
have
thought
about
you
know.
If
there's
there
are
sea
signs
and
government
signs
that
are
essentially
non-commercial
government
signs
that
direct
the
public
in
terms
of
particular
destinations
or
points
of
interest
and
services,
and
we
would
need
to
find
a
way
that
the
city
is
providing
public
purpose
and
a
public
good
to
help
provide
the
direction
to
the
public
guide
into
this
and
one
and
only
hospital
emergency
rooms
and
the
services
that
they
can.
Then.
F
H
They
can
keep
those
and
they
can
actually
make
some
reasonable
repairs
as
a
result
of
the
storm
damage.
However,
from
our
understanding
and
meeting
with
the
Baptist
representatives,
they
want
more
than
just
those
in
terms
of
the
emergency
services,
wayfinding
or
directional
signs.
They
want
more
than
just
those
signs
that
are
currently
they're
grandfathered
in.
They
would
like
more
than
just
the
standard,
each
signs
that
we've
seen
around
town
that
directs
the
public
to
the
hospital
in
general.
They
would
like
approximately
five
or
six
of
these
emergency
room
or
emergency
services.
Signs
example.
C
H
Currently,
do
not
have
an
example
of
their
most
recent
in
concept;
we've
only
heard
it
verbally,
so
we
don't
have
a
concept
of
what
they
currently
have
beyond,
what's
described
in
the
current
ordinance
again,
the
issue.
The
item
before
the
council
tonight
is
all
laid
out
on
the
agenda
packet
that
submitted
their
proposed
ordinance
is
there,
but
in
terms
of
any
other
lesser
form
of
sign,
we.
B
C
H
H
H
E
E
E
We
put
up
signs
that
have
a
more
generic
in
nature
that
are
in
the
public
right-of-way
that
we
maintain
the
best
example
that
we
could
point
to
is
over
on
San
Pablo
in
front
of
the
Mayo
Clinic,
where,
if
you've
driven
on
that
road,
there's
not
just
the
blue
sign
with
the
white
edge
for
the
hospital,
but
underneath
it
is
the
word
emergency
red
sign,
white
lettering
and
depending
on
which
direction
you
go.
You
see
two
different
urgency
signs,
one
if
you're
going
from
the
south,
the
first
sign
says
go
straight.
E
The
second
one
says
turn
left
and
if
you
are
coming
from
south
to
north
there's
one
of
her,
it's
a
sign
that
says
trying
to
hear
so
that
was
the
last
normal
conversation
you
have
with
representatives
from
Baptists.
It
seems
that
are
a
possibility.
We
could
migrate
towards
that
papal
model
where
we
have
several
emergency
signs
that
are
in
the
public
right-of-way
to
get
people
off
those
major
thoroughfares
of
each
in
a
way
and
start
directing
them
in
towards
the
intersection
of
13th
answer.
H
Don't
know
there's
nobody
that,
because
it's
crossing
over
two
different
concepts,
it
is
a
sign
that
directs
the
public
to
a
non-government
service,
hospitals,
Baptist,
hospitals,
emergency
care,
which
is
not
a
government
function.
It's
not
a
government
service
versus
the
city,
installing
generic
signs
that
ideally
serve
a
government
purpose
and
serve
the
public
by
helping
direct
them
to
or
help
guide
them
to.
That
means
emergency
room
that
the
hospital
provides.
So
it's
a
blending
of
two
concepts
it's
set
of
City
sign,
but
it
is
Baptist
services
and
they
stand,
of
course,
from
any
city
function.
H
So
the
question
is:
how
can
the
city
provided
signage
to
help
benefit
the
public,
to
guide
them
to
back
emergency
room?
The
current
signs
that
point,
the
public
to
ocean
block
or
downtown
area
or
the
festival
area
and
I
realized?
There
are
some
of
those
older
signs
on
3rd
that
direct,
there's
one
sign
that
says
bed-and-breakfast
and
it's
a
directional
arrow
and
there's
also
one
below
it.
That
indicates
no
antiques,
so
I
agree.
Those
are
somewhat
questionable
in
the
post
read
era.
H
However,
the
other
government
signs
that
point
the
public
to
general
points
of
interest
such
as
you
know,
like
I,
said
the
beach
or
Park
Beach
Park.
These
are
just
some
general
areas
that
the
government
is
allowed
to
provide
signage
for
Doug
I,
be
call
it
to
government
areas.
That's
that
would
be
the
case
for
us,
providing
us.
H
D
D
Then
it's
the
city's
discretion
with
I
I
mean
I,
know,
there's
gonna
be
a
lot
more
to
it
than
that
yeah,
but
just
kind
of
looking
out
from
above
I
think
that
will
be
better
for
us
to
consider,
as
opposed
to
changing
for
private
property,
because
then
we
have
to
be
cat.
We
can't
sue
favoritism
for
one
business.
H
You
know,
but
that
we're
hopefully
aiding
the
public
in
helping
them
transport
themselves
or
their
family
members
or
friends,
and
getting
to
Baptist's
emergency
if
the
citizens,
if
the
city
installs
those
on
city
property,
if
we
are
confronted
with
challenges
by
other
businesses,
that
would
be
claiming
that
they're
being
treated
unequally,
because
we've
decided
to
use
a
city
sign
and
city
property
to
direct
the
just
one
company
in
Jacksonville
Beach.
We
would
be
confronted
by
other
medical
providers.
H
Those
are
the
challenges
that
we
would
face
and
then
the
signs
means
city
signs
on
city
property.
The
council
could
direct
the
Planning
and
Development
or
Public
Works
Department.
We
remove
those
signs,
so
we
could
remove
the
issue
immediately
upon
your
direction
if
we
find
that
we
are
being
challenged
by
other
businesses
and
we
would
have
to
the
Sonics
and
we
would
remove
the
problem.
H
The
signs
of
no
longer
exist,
but
yeah
I
am
thinking
that
I'm
thinking
all
those
lines
through,
as
opposed
to
allowing
Baptists
to
have
their
signs
installed
where
they
would
like
it
to
be
installed.
I
mean
I
realized
that
they
to
go
through
our
planning
and
development
department
and
the
code
Department
and
comply
with
whatever
we
would
have
created
to
enable
them
to
install
it.
But
it's
gonna
be
their
signs,
their
installation.
H
H
If
we
change
our
sign
code-
and
you
know
baptists-
isn't
the
entity
that's
going
to
be
getting
to
we
so
I'm
trying
to
think
in
terms
of
how
to
best
protect
the
city,
how
to
work
with
an
important
business
partner,
how
to
feed
the
public
I'm
thinking
all
this,
how
about
violate
constitutional
known
as
versus
city
of
Jack's
will
be
gender,
so
it's
it
takes
some
processing
to
come
up
with
the
better.
The
best
I
think.
G
That
other
thing
that
is
unique,
you're,
not
just
that
they're
only
a
burnt
emergency
room
on
the
island
is
that
they're
in
neighborhood
and
they're
in
a
residential
area.
So
I'm
like
Mayo
you're
driving
right
by
it's
pretty
hard
to
miss.
It's
pretty
easy
to
miss
Baptists
from
until
you're
right
up
to
it.
So,
and
you
mentioned
they're
an
important
business
partner
for
us
and
we've
had
a
really
I
think
very
strong
relationship,
at
least
since
I've
been
on
council
as
they've
really
grown
and
expanded
community.
H
It
could
be
an
urgent
care.
Yes,
we'd
like
to
mention
that
urgent
care,
it
could
be
a
set
of
physicians
that
have
their
little
practice
where
they
can
and
provide
emergency
evaluations.
They
diagnose
the
condition,
treat
the
condition
all
on
an
emergency
basis.
Urgent
Care.
Can
they
provide
that
twenty
twenty
four
seven
and
some
of
them
I
think
are
open,
so
we
could
be
challenged
by
groups
that
would
come
up
to
the
rate
of
argument.
That
would
say
we
provide
the
same
services
that
Baptist
provides
an
emergency
context.
H
C
D
H
Agree
that
the
chapter
that's
cited
incorporated
in
there
that's
geared
towards
hospitals
but
again
playing
devil's
advocate.
There
will
be
a
creative
argument
made
by
a
set
of
the
physicians
that
would
hire
a
big
firm
that
are
going
to
look
at
this
definition
of
emergency
services
and
care
needs
medical
screening,
examination
and
evaluation
by
a
physician
or
to
the
extent
permitted
by
law
by
other
appropriate
personnel
under
the
supervision
of
a
physician.
H
H
D
H
Discussion
was:
where
does
it
stop,
because
you'll
have
dental
offices
that
say
you
can
come
in.
You've
broken
your
tooth
when
you
saw
on
the
sidewalk,
we
do
all
of
those,
but
that
will
claim
I
can
provide
all
the
so
they're
going
to
end
up
grouping.
The
arguments
will
come
from
law
firms
that
represent
they're,
going
to
group
themselves
together
in
terms
of
emergency
care
and
fit
themselves
into
this
line
of
services.
E
Chris
correct
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
on
any
of
this,
but
in
my
10
years
of
experience.
The
other
thing
that
I
find
is
that
when
you
have
an
issue
with
land
use
that
goes
into
the
court
system,
it
is
literally
a
crapshoot
as
to
whether
or
not
you're
going
to
get
a
judge
that
understands
how
menus
works.
E
So,
while
we're
talking
about
challenges
that
may
come
from
the
medical
side
of
the
issue,
there's
nothing
to
say
that
we
wouldn't
get
a
legal
challenge
from
someone
who
just
happens
to
be
a
private
entity,
saying
you
allow
offsite
signage
for
a
private
entity
both
into
the
public
right-of-way
and
on
other
private
properties.
And
we
want
that
right
as
well.
And
if
the
judge
doesn't
know
enough
about
land
use
to
make
an
informed
decision,
there's
every
possibility.
We
could
be
tied
up
in
the
court
system
for
a
long
number
of
years.
H
F
H
H
F
2015
we
spent
months
on
this
sign
hood.
It
was
not
easy
because
there
were
things
that
we
did
not
like
about
it
and
things
that
could
happen
his
offense
in
town
that
he's
allowed
to
do
what
it's
doing,
but
because
it
has
to
be
content-neutral,
so
we're
not
allowed
to
put
a
lot
of
back
in
there,
and
that
was
my
concerns.
We
really
did
spend
a
long
time
on
going.
H
H
No
I
don't
think
we
have
to
go
to
that
strict
of
analysis.
I
think
the
best
solution
is
to
try
to
find
a
city
side
of
government
side
that
helps
provide
that,
because
exactly
what
council
Piedmont
says,
which
is
we
currently
are
content
mutual.
If
we
begin
to
allow
private
and
the
organizations
or
companies
the
place
size
that
are
no
longer
content-neutral,
now
we're
in
a
hole
we
reverse
ourselves.
So
I'd
say
we
don't
have
to
go
down
that
path
so
to
speak,
but
I
think
the
solution
path
is.
F
G
H
H
And
it
flies
in
the
face
of
our
long-standing
decades
long-standing
prohibition
of
off-site
science,
which
essentially
is
a
sign
that
either
advertises
a
particular
good
or
service
or
a
company
or
an
organization
that
is
not
on
the
site
of
where
that
organization
or
business
or
company.
Yes,
so
technically
any
sign,
that's
off
of
the
site
of
where
that
business
is
it's
an
off-site
sign.
That's
why
we.
A
I
want
to
throw
observation
in
there.
Four
of
us
have
been
through
before
then
they
were
previous
signing
coordinates
for
us.
You
know
this.
We
had
a
different
city
management,
different
city
attorney,
one
when
I
do
this
most
of
the
time.
So
you
know
I
share,
miss
Hoffman's
comments
that
we
need
to
find
something.
A
That's
me
to
look
beneficial
but
add
that
when
you
do
it
in
a
relatively
decent,
because
the
hospital's
been
very
patient
and
very
friendly
about
working
with
us
as
we
go
through
this,
but
I
think
it's
important
that,
because
you
guys
are
just
didn't
starting
the
blog
to
realize
this
thing
going
on
for
a
long
time,
then
we
really
need
to
work
quickly
to
find
some
kind
of
legally
based
mutual
beneficial
scenarios.
Understood
yes,
sir,
should.
H
We
don't
recommend
cabling
this
like
to
go
along,
I,
think
red
stacks
of
historical
documents
and
I
realize
it's
a
long
time.
I
think
that
this
item,
as
it's
currently
presented
to
the
council,
should
be
voted
on
tonight
as
it's
been
presented
from
fabulous
and
submitted
by
the
Planning
development
department.
H
I
think
this
item
should
not
be
tabled.
We
should
what
currently
exists
if
Baptist
comes
to
you
later
tonight
and
they
pull
their
item
and
they
withdraw
their
request
and
that's
one
issue,
but
in
terms
of
the
item
as
it
currently
stands,
and
the
proposed
ordinance
and
application
that's
before
you
I
think
that
you
should
vote
on
that
and
we
should
move
forward
in
working.
H
H
H
My
legal
advice
and
recommendation
of
the
council
I've
done
that
it's
here
and
the
cleaning
and
Development
Department
has
adopted
that
position
as
well
otherwise
going
forward.
We
are
working
on
a
proper
solution,
a
lot
of
the
thinking
for
them,
but
I
have
a
charity
ball,
but
I'm
trying
I'm
trying
them
I'm
working
on
it.
Trying
to
do
it
the
right
way.
H
E
E
C
H
A
E
H
Our
master
so
there's
our
master,
those
engage
so
again
with
respect
to
the
emergency
services
or
emergency
directional
signs.
We
we
have
to
stay
clear
of
deities
jurisdiction
of
properties,
so
we're
working.
We
would
be
conceptually
working
only
with
the
City
of
Jacksonville
Beach
properties,
which,
of
course
we
would
bring
to
the
council
would
approve,
but
we
have
to
stay
away
from
the
DFT
jurisdiction
and
properties
and
making
this
decision
and
again
not
placing
city
signs
on
private
rock
for
it.
H
F
F
That's
said
and
that'll
be
moved
here
for
when
it
comes
to
the
bill.
Burpees
I
can't
stress
enough.
When
we
talk
about
content-neutral-
and
we
passed
this-
that-
let's
say
you
know
you
like
where
they
are
and
it's
somehow
it
passes
and
there's
a
legal
challenge.
You
lose
our
sign
code
and
everybody
gets
to
put
up
off
off-site
sign,
and
that
is
the
worst
possible
option.
Everybody
putting
up
signs
everywhere.
They
want
to
yeah.
So
this
is
just
something
that
I
know.
H
A
A
E
They're
doing
work
on
a
sign
nation
that
requires
a
permit.
They
should
be
coming
in
and
pulling
the
permit
at
which
point
they're
instructed
as
to
what
they
can't
do
with
their
son.
If
they're
doing
work
on
their
sign
that
we're
on
the
wear
of
that
it
comes
down
to
code
enforcement
and
what
we're
not
it's
called
bandage
I,
don't
know
if
you
want
to
add.
E
E
C
Signed
in
and
we
have
to
tell
them
so
it's
really
it's
a
combination
of
code
enforcement,
not
necessarily
outreach
to
business
owners,
but
outreach.
Excuse
me
to
the
sign
companies
that
are
doing
work,
so
you
need
a
permit
for
even
a
less
than
50
any
change
at
all.
You
need
a
permit
school
sign.
Phase
changes
don't
require
a
permit
and
literally
just
a
sign
phase
change,
but
a
structural
modification
requires
a
permit
or
electrical.
H
Mayor
could
I
ask
just
for
some
clarification,
because
I
can
maybe
request
Baptist
to
provide
us
with
some
of
the
information
answered.
Some
of
the
questions
we
had
so
what
I
heard
counsel
say
tonight
was
would
be
beneficial,
as
the
council
has
some
conceptual
zuv
there.
He
proposed
signs,
and
this
this
again
is,
is
going
forward
after
tonight.
H
If
he
does
not
approve
the
application
tonight
going
forward,
if
he
Baptist
to
provide
us
with
some
of
the
consensus
of
their
current
of
a
new
or
a
different
proposed
sign,
the
proposed
locations
where
they
would
like
those
signs
to
be
in
did
you?
Would
you
like
Baptists,
to
provide
statistics
as
to.
A
H
It
is,
it
is
supposed
to
be
content-neutral,
but
but
without
that
type
of
information
from
them
would
be
sort
of
going
forward
operating
blind,
because
if
it's
Mike
and
I
were
to
meet
and
discuss
and
try
to
hash
out
different
ways
or
alternative
ways
that
we
can
make
this
happen,
we
just
be
going
blindly.
We
didn't
even
have
a
conceptual
front
of
them,
because
we
would
just
be
speculative
guessing
that's
the
way
that
society
would
look
like.
So
it
would
help
us
if
they
gave.
E
H
And
if
we're
going
forward
talking
about
it
internally,
you
know
Bill's
Department,
Mike
and
I
and
we're
working
it
through
and
we
just
having
too
big
we're
envisioning
the
typical
standard,
red
and
white
emergency
room
sign
that
we've
seen
like
Mike's
example
was
a
friend
of
mayo
and
directing
you
to
that
emergency
room
it
without
conceptual
from
the
interest
at
hospital
we're
just
guessing
as
to
what
it
might
be.
So
we
would
need
them
to
provide
us
with
some
kind
of
song
what
they
would
suggest.
H
H
E
C
Of
the
population,
it's
a
non-issue
because
GPS
find
their
way
around
and
I
don't
even
see
signs
when
I'm
using
my
GPS
I.
Don't
even
pay
attention
but
I
realize
there's
other
parts
of
the
population
that
still
need
it,
but
I
also
see
that
there
could
potentially
be
a
time
of
the
sign.
Things
are
not
as
critical
yeah
because
of
that
knowledge.
H
Right
I,
think
of
all
the
festivals
that
we
have,
and
you
know
the
marathon
that's
coming
too
soon.
As
an
example,
runners
coming,
you
know,
and
families
coming
to
support
those
runners
from
all
different
areas
of
the
state
and
country
and
for
Detroit
the
weekends
and
people
coming
from
Georgia
to
visit
our
community
so
yeah.
There
are
many
examples
of
guests
and
tourists.
E
E
Let's
start
with
that,
one
three
community
conversations
so
far
I
think
they've
all
gone
very
well
got
very
good
input
from
the
community.
That's
been
in
attendance.
There
are
some
consistencies
that
we're
hearing
from
meeting
to
meeting
to
meeting
I
know
that
also
number
the
moths
have
the
privilege
of
attending
all
three.
E
Two
of
them
probably
hurts
and
all
that's
there
as
well,
so
by
the
time
they
can
leave
all
six
and
if
there's
a
possibility,
we
might
have
one
or
two
more
depending
how
many
more
responses
you
get
over
the
next
week
or
two.
But
my
guess
is
there
will
be
some
pretty
good
overlap
and
consistency
as
to
what
areas
need
to
be
addressed,
but
also
what
the
respective
division
is.
E
We're
trying
to
keep
them
to
about
ten
people
per
group
and
the
big
thing
is:
you
can
only
participate
once
so
you
don't
end
up
with
the
same
people
meeting
after
meeting
this
way.
You
get
a
pretty
good
diversity
across
the
different
meetings,
we're
having
another
different
days
of
the
week
in
different
times,
we've
had
that
was
on
a
Saturday
morning.
We've
had
several
that
around
weekday
evenings
we've
got
another.
One
I
think
coming
up
this
Saturday
in
the
morning
from
10:30
to
12:00,
so
we're
kind
of
mixing
it
up
to
try
and
get.
C
C
E
Next
item
I've
got
on
the
list.
Just
so
you're
aware
there
was
a
meeting
with
the
three
city
managers
last
week
to
talk
about
a
few
different
issues:
number
one
to
meet
everybody,
because
that
unit
has
their
new
city
manager
down,
and
the
three
of
us
spoke
for
a
little
bit,
which
was
good.
There
were
two
primary
issues
that
came
out
of
there
just
to
put
everybody
on
the
same
page.
The
first
is
with
regards
to
the
replacement
of
the
flashing
beacon
between
Fletcher
high
school
country
ministry.
The
one
that's
there
doesn't
always
work
consistently.
E
There's
a
thought
process
to
replace
it.
Neptune
Beach
is
spearheading
the
effort
to
try
and
get
financial
partners
to
the
table,
to
tell
suppose
that
the
flashing
beacon
one
of
the
things
the
three
beach
communities
talked
about
was
approaching
the
city
of
Jackson
to
see
a
financial
partner.
So
we
should
have
to
our
representative
redundant
yeah,
attended
that
meeting
so
within
the
next
couple
weeks
and
we'll
see
if
there's
an
opportunity
for
Jacksonville.
C
C
E
On
sue
game
right
in
between
there
and
school
or
high
school,
which
leads
me
to
the
next,
which
is,
we
also
have
a
meeting
with
the
City
of
Jacksonville,
to
talk
about
Penman,
Road
and
the
fact
that
they
are
getting
ready
to
start
their
projects
to
put
in
the
rapid
flashing
beacons
on
that
car
River
as
well.
They
provided
us
with
some
detailed
graphics
which,
if
you'd
like
it
to
campus
and
sent
to
you
all,
to
see.
C
E
C
A
D
F
Residents,
yes,
this
came
up
in
your
meeting
a
lot,
and
these
are
things
that
we've
talked
about
for
a
while
when
I
was
on
the
Planning
Commission.
One
thing
that
we
have
one
issue
that
we
have
just
any
city
has
it
information
asymmetry
that
is
citizens,
so
the
residents
don't
know
what
kind
of
information
can
be
accepted
in
a
quasi-judicial
hearing.
So
when
you
have
applicants
to
go,
the
Planning
Department
even
have
lawyers
may
understand
the
process
and
such
they
have
a
much
better
case
that
can
be
taken
into
consideration.
F
With
the
deliberations
of
the
Planning
Commission
on
board.
Adjustments
versus
the
regular
citizen
is
just
like
I
think
this
is
going
to
be
back
to
the
neighborhood.
You
know
that's
what
they
have
to
do.
So
one
of
the
things
I'd
like
to
see
is
the
city.
When
you
send
out
the
letters
saying
something's
going
on
next
door,
a
simple
checklist
as
what
a
philosophy,
mutual
hearing.
F
H
So
it's
just
a
general
concept
of
what
quasi
judicial
hearings
processes
are.
It's
not
you
know,
I
might
issue
a
concern
when
I
first
heard
this
concept
well
I'm
going
to
help
advise
and
instruct
any
private
individual
to
make
a
case.
The
end
of
the
city,
one
of
our
boards
into
my
guiding
through
procedural
or
substance,
but
after
I,
saw
in
a
different
way
and
I
realized
that
there
are
private
individuals
that
are
entitled
to
use
our
boards
and
that's
what
they're
there
for,
but
to
be
completely
at
a
loss
and
completely
uninformed.
H
It
doesn't
help
the
resident
very
much
at
all.
So
I
agree
that
being
the
neighborhood
we
are
that
it
could
be
done.
I
can
I
can
prepare
a
basic
101
pamphlet
that
what
any
layperson
would
be
able
to
read
and
feel
well.
The
city's
advise
me
of
how
this
process
works
am
I,
giving
them
legal
advice
house
as
how
to
put
it
into
effect
to
benefit
their
interests
or
how
to
defeat
the
city,
but
I
can
definitely
prepare
just
like
the
code.
F
F
You
read
them,
it
doesn't
go
into
well,
you
need
to.
You,
have
to
be
a
professional
to
be
able
to
provide
this
information.
You
can't
say
my
property
value
is
going
to
be
as
impacted
if
I'm
just
saying
my
property
value
is
going
to
be
impacted.
That
goes
up
because
I'm,
not
a
real
estate
person,
so
I
can't
that
information
cannot
be
used
by
the
board.
So.
E
C
C
F
F
H
We
could
always
make
the
argument
diagonally,
provided
this
outline.
There's
101
basic
format
outlined
to
you,
because
we
want
you
to
view
the
process
as
being
fair
and
balanced,
and
that's
the
goal
of
the
city
is
to
give
you
the
opportunity
as
a
resident,
to
be
heard
present
in
a
fair
and
balanced
situation
before
one
of
the
boards
of
the
Commission
and
that's
absolutely
fine.
I
can
craft
it
and
I
can
bring
it
back
to
you
for
review.
G
H
E
H
H
H
H
H
A
H
There
was
another
government
that
shut
down
the
system
or
at
least
threatened
to
shut
down
the
system
and
say
we're
going
to
shut
it
down
and
we're
going
to
turn
it
back
on.
Only
when
you
pay
your
initiation
fee
to
have
the
service
initiated
begin
and
when
asked
by
the
school
board.
What
is
the
initiative.