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A
Program
is
yet
to
be
discussed
and
or
designed,
but
we
did
want
to
give
some
examples
not
just
to
the
council,
but
also
to
the
public
as
to
what
the
thought
process
is
behind
this.
So
the
the
big
question
is
in
taking
a
look
at
this
information.
A
do
you
have
any
comments
on
the
way
it's
presented
and
b.
Do
you
think
we
have
enough
that
council
could
move
forward
with
scheduling
a?
I
believe
it
was
open
house
community,
open
house,
so
the
first
hand
that
I
see
raised
is
councilor
dumont.
B
Thank
you.
I
still
am
very
interested
to
find
out
why
some
are
not
developing
there.
Is
it
parking
or
is
it
height,
because
this
isn't
going
to
solve
the
problem?
If
it's,
if
parking
is
the
main
issue,
I
would
also
like
to
see
the
in
the
10
foot
category
like
there's
certain
things
that
have
to
be
done,
and
then
you
can
pick
from
others
and
then
in
the
20,
everything
in
the
10
plus
additional
things
for
the
20,
which
gets
into
the
footage.
B
A
Clearly
that
is
a
consideration
as
well,
though
you
could
have
some
people.
That
say
I
want
my
first
four
to
be
15
feet,
so
the
height
would
have
to
be
used
accordingly
to
the
developer.
They
may
find
that
the
front
half
of
the
building
is
13
foot
lobby
and
a
total
of
four
stories.
The
back
half
of
the
building
is
something
completely
different,
but
again
that's
that's
for
council
to
discuss
if
you
think
that
the
55
is
is
a
good
number
bad
number.
A
You
know
that's
your
opportunity
to
get
around
as
to
what
you
want
to
float
to
the
public.
I
I
would
also
throw
out
there
that
the
mandatory
versus
the
optional
criteria-
it
was
not
viewed
that
the
mandatory
would
get
you
10
and
the
optional
would
get
20
get
you
to
the
20..
This
was
just
an
idea
of
what
could
be
used
for
whatever
radiations
you
wanted
to
give
out.
A
We
did
also
listen
to
what
you
said
about
the
parking,
which
is
why,
if
you
take
a
look
at
the
second
bullet
under
the
mandatory
criteria,
structured
parking
would
need
to
be
part
of
the
project
and
it
could
either
be
on-site
through
a
partnership
with
a
third
party
or
through
a
development
agreement
with
the
city.
A
B
And
I
just
in
my
opinion,
the
I
think,
one
of
the
mandates
for
the
20
additional
20
feet
should
be
workforce.
Housing
somewhere
in
there
includes
some
workforce
housing
because
we're
really
in
need
of
that.
There's
no
better
place
because
a
lot
of
the
workforce
housing
that
we
need
they
work
in
that
area.
C
Yeah,
so
I
just
wanted
to
back
up
with
what
councilmember
dumont
said
that
originally
I
had
suggested
30
feet
instead
of
20
just
for
that
buffer
zone,
so
that
if
you
had
a
a
16
foot
first
floor
and
also
take
into
consideration
that
hazard
zone,
that
comes
up
to
first
first
street,
that
we
had
that
little
extra
space.
For
you
know
electrical
conduit,
chases,
duct
working
things
like
that,
and
also
when
it
came
to
the
rooftop
dining.
C
If
we,
if
the
if
a
developer
or
contractor,
put
up
some
kind
of
tarp
or
covering
for
inclement
weather
that
with
the
consideration
that
was
so,
I
I
still
feel
that
that
the
30
feet,
or
maybe
somewhere
in
between
and
I've
compromised
made
that
25
feet
so
that
we
can
make
sure
that
that
that
incentive
is
there
for
them
to
do
what
they
want
to
do
here
in
downtown
jacks
beach.
And
to
your
point,
georgia.
C
I
think
that
it's
a
combination
of
height
and
parking,
I
think
it's,
I
think
it's
both
and
we
need
to
address
and
I'm
glad
to
see
that
that
bullet
point
was
put
in
there
mike.
D
Well
to
to
ms
dumont's
point:
it
seems
to
me
that
we're
making
assumptions
here
and
we
don't
have-
we
don't
have
data,
we're
we're
saying:
oh,
we
think
it's
height
or
we
think
it's
parking
or
we
think
it's
both.
So
my
concern
is,
you
know:
do
we
go
and
start
changing
things
without
having
a
good
grasp
on
what?
D
What
needs
to
happen
in
the
downtown
area?
I
mean
you
could
make
an
argument.
You
look
at
neptune,
beach
and
atlantic
beach
town
center,
their
height
limit
is
35
feet
there
and
they
have
parking
issues,
but
yet
they're
still
they're
doing
well
and
they
have
been
for
many
years.
So
you
know
I
I
tend
to
agree
with
ms
dumont
that
that
I
have
some
concerns
about.
D
E
Yes,
I
think
it's
a
combination
of
both
parking
and
height
the
little
empty
lot
in
between
lynches
and
these
pizza
that
little
empty
lot.
You
really
couldn't
build
on
it.
You
needed
parking,
you
needed,
you
need
a
lot
of
things
and,
unfortunately,
neptune
beach
and
atlantic
beach,
their
design
works
for
them,
and
we
don't
have
that
same
same
design.
We
have
here.
We
have
a
mixed
use
of
a
lot
of
things,
that's
just
my
personal
opinion
and
I've.
Given
it
a
lot
of
thought
about.
E
Why
is
neptune
beach
and
atlanta?
Beach
have
so
many
successful
businesses,
and
why
is
it
that
people
are
still
going-
and
I
think,
has
a
lot
of
it
to
do
too
in
the
design
of
how
everything
is
in
that
corridor?
For
us
here
in
the
central
business
district,
we
have
a
high-rise
condominium
with
corporate
offices.
E
On
the
first
floor,
now
we
next
to
it,
we
have
a
rundown
building
that
they're,
actually
probably
gonna,
tear
it
down
within
the
next
year,
and
they
want
to
develop
it
into
something
nice
where
families
should
come
in
and
eat
food
and
and
have
a
good
time
with
a
rooftop
bar.
We
have
a
hotel
next
to
a
building
that
has
three
venues:
corporate
offices
on
the
second
floor,
and
then
we
have
a
souvenir
shop.
So
our
design
here
is
really
not
conducive
to
what
neptune,
beach
and
atlanta
beach
are
doing.
E
And
that's
just
my
opinion
and
I
think
on
the
hype
and
the
parking
is
a
big
issue,
because
I've
talked
to
people
in
the
real
estate
development
that
have
complained
about
well.
We
can't
even
build
anything
because
we
don't
have
enough
pork
in
so
we
can't
even
go
to
the
you
can't
even
go
above
the
36
37
feet
if
we
wanted
to
do
a
first
ground,
a
first
floor
parking,
so
I
think
it's
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
issues.
What's
holding
this
area
down
and
parking
and
and
the
height
limit,
that's
it!
F
F
You
can
walk
the
whole
area
and
in
less
than
10
minutes
you
know
people
put
in
investments
in
there
and
then
the
the
housing
and
stuff.
That's
that's
north
of
there.
That's
the
place
to
go
we're
kind
of
stuck
in
the
middle.
Our
residents
are
mostly
across
third
street,
so
bringing
people
we
have
to
have.
F
So
that's
just
my
opinion,
but
I
do
think
that
parking.
Obviously
I
mean
we
have
a
lot
of
surface
level
parking
which
is
horrible
there.
It's
like
a
desert
people,
don't
like
seeing
that
people
like
to
see
small,
locally
owned,
locally
owned
shops.
We
need
to
be
able
to
incentivize
those,
and
we
need
to
be
able
to
get
rid
of
the
the
vacant.
The
vacant
areas
in
order
to
make
this
an
attractive
place
for
people
to
go
with
more
to
do,
but
just
walking
having
to
walk
a
whole
block
across
a
parking
garage.
G
G
Got
a
a
good
second
step
now,
so
I
appreciate
staff's
work
and
and
putting
this
together,
I
think,
there's
a
lot
of
stuff
that
we
can
build
on.
My
suggestion
is
that
I
think
that
we
should
put
this
out
to
our
local
organizations
such
as
nepa
and
nefar,
and
get
some
feedback
from
them
to
counselor.
Dumont's
point:
you
know:
that's
a
great
source
of
of
business
leaders
who
are
our
builders
and
contractors,
the
real
estate
agents
who
know
that?
Okay,
you
know
what
what
is
this
property?
G
If
you
could
put
you
know,
we
need
people
living
down
there.
What
is
this?
What
is
the
value
going
to
be
on
these
residences?
What
is
the
sustainability
of
workforce
housing
and
those
are
professionals
in
that
field?
Who,
I
think,
would
gladly
give
their
time
to
review
some
of
these
things
and
and
helped
see
jax
beach
go
in
a
positive
direction,
and,
and
you
know
they
would
they
would,
I
feel
like
they
would
be
a
very
good
answer
to
the
height
and
parking
question.
G
I
think
both
of
those
organizations
would
be
more
than
willing
to
give
us
some
constructive,
constructive
ideas
to
help
this
program,
because
I
think
we've
got
a
really
good
spot
and
get
it
buttoned
up
before
we
take
it
to
the
community.
B
I
think
we
I
to
get
the
when
you
say:
get
the
pulse
of
the
community.
Are
you
talking
you're
talking
about
the
open
house,
not
the
survey,
because
I
think
we
need
the
survey
data
before
we
have
the
open
house.
So
this
way,
if
it
is
parking
and
height
or
a
combination,
we
have
data
to
show
residents
the
pros
and
cons.
F
I
don't,
I
think
we
need
to
get
this
going
as
quickly
as
possible.
I
think
the
survey
will
get
a
feel
from
the
community.
I
think
we
invite
the
business
owners
and
the
property
owners
of
the
downtown
business
district
and
open
it
up
to
the
public
and
get
them
and
and
let's
just
let's
talk
it
out
there
and
then,
if
we
determine
that
we
need
a
survey
after
that.
We
can
do
that,
but
we
need
to
get
this
thing
moving.
F
I
don't
want
to
wait
six
months
on
a
survey
and
you
know
I
just
think
it's
it's
time
to
get
the
community
together
and
at
least
have
the
conversation
and
put
out
some
ideas
and
see
what
people
say,
but
I
think
the
property
owners
and
the
business
owners
in
the
downtown
business
district.
You
know
they're
ready
to
tell
us
because
every
time
you
know
I
get
asked
all
the
time
so
they're
ready
to
put
in
their
inputs
and
and
let's,
let's
move
forward
as
quickly
as
possible.
A
I
I
I
mean,
I
think
that
the
survey
is
happening
one
way
or
the
other,
so
I
I
don't
see
why
we
can't
schedule
a
workshop
and
I
mean
sorry
open
house
concurrently,
while
we're
waiting
on
that
survey
data,
because
I
think
once
we
start
to
have
this
conversation
publicly
in
the
form
of
the
open
house,
I
think
we're
gonna
get
feedback
in
addition
to
through
a
formal
survey
process.
So
I'm
fine
to
go
ahead
and
get
get
that
scheduled
and
work
on
both
things.
Concurrently.
C
Okay
yeah,
so
I
I
agree
with
the
mayor.
I
don't
know
that
if
we
can
do
them
concurrently,
that
would
be
great.
I
wouldn't
want
to
wait
an
undetermined
amount
of
time,
because
then
we're
talking
about
the
completion
of
the
charter
and
getting
it
on
the
ballot.
What
have
you
so?
No
unnecessary
delays
in
my
part.
A
Yeah,
I
think
for
just
for
the
benefit
of
all
council.
When
you
talk
about
a
survey,
if
we're
talking
about
surveying
the
local
property
owners
and
the
local
business
owners,
we
can
certainly
do
that
once
you
start
talking
about
speculative
development
or
developers
from
not
just
our
metro
area,
but
beyond
our
metro
area,
the
question
becomes,
who
do
you
reach
out
to?
A
The
same
thing
goes
with
national
national
firms,
brands,
franchises,
etc.
So
I
think
gauging
the
interest
of
local
property
owners
and
local
business
owners
is
one
thing
and
maybe
getting
some
feedback
from
chet.
I
think
you
referenced
nepha
and
nefar.
In
far
we
could
probably
get
some
feedback
from
them,
but
in
terms
of
actual
developers,
you
know
if
someone
from
atlanta
comes
to
the
table.
I
don't
know
that
we
would
know
to
survey
developers
out
of
atlanta
to
ask
them
what
they
would
look
for
to
come
into
our
market.
A
F
My
concern
is
the
last
survey
that
was
done
in
the
downtown
business
district
was
a
complete
disaster.
I
know
you
weren't
here
incredibly
biased
they
invited
people
they
took
them.
They
took
them
on
a
tour
of
downtown
kind
of
gave
them
the
city's
perspective
of
of
what
that
group
wanted
and
then
go
here,
fill
out
the
survey
I
mean
we
need
to
find
an
unbiased
way
to
be
able
to
survey
these
people
without
pushing
an
agenda
to
really
figure
out
what
they
have,
because
that
survey
was
completely
worthless.
F
I
mean
I
think
I
mean
there
was
like
I
don't
know.
50
people
or
100
people
that
took
it
and
half
didn't
live
in
jacksonville
beach,
and
so
you
know
we
took
direction
from
a
from
a
unscientific
and
very
biased
survey,
and
I
just
want
to
make
absolutely
sure
that
we
don't
get
caught
up
in
that.
G
Yeah
and
the
reason
why
I
suggested
those
two
organizations
is
because
they're
local
and
I
think
the
feedback
would
be
quick
and
also
I
don't
want
to
speak
for
everyone,
but
I
know
councillor
nichols
posed
it
earlier.
I
think
this
should
should
have
a
local,
focused
approach
and
and
definitely
prioritize
the
northeast
florida
area,
people
just
because
you
know
they
know
the
region
better,
they're
invested
in
the
region
they're.
G
B
G
Nifar
and
nepha
will
give
us
that
focus
and
keep
it
local
instead
of
going
to
outside
of
our
city.
F
And
I'm
pretty
sure
you
all
saw
that
that
one
property
dolphin
depot
sold
this
week
for
like
four
or
500
times
what
the
purchase
price
was
in
2014
or
2015.
So
there
is
definite
demand
to
get
something
done
here
and
there's
people
willing
to
invest
in
our
community,
and
I
don't
want
to
waste
this
opportunity.
D
In
talking
about
surveying
people,
I
believe
it
was
art.
Graham,
the
chairman
of
the
cra,
had
spoken
to
al
the
guy
who
owns
al's
pizza,
coop
and
flying
iguana,
because
al
used
to
live
in
the
metropolitan
and
he
asked
him.
Why
aren't
you
developing
in
downtown
jacks
beach?
D
Why
are
you
doing
everything
in
neptune,
beach
and
al
told
him
that
he
lived
in
that
area
and
he
got
to
see
what
it
was
like
down
there
and
he
didn't
feel
that
it
was
a
safe
place
to
put
a
business,
so
he
wasn't
going
to
invest
in
downtown
jacks
beach.
Now
that's
just
one
opinion,
but
you
know
that
kind
of
input
is
important,
so
I
mean
we
need
people
like
that
who
has
who
people
who
have
done
things
in
neptune
beach
to
be
a
part
of
the
survey
to
get
their
feedback
as
well.
F
F
It
was
a
long
time
ago
when
he
was
here
and
things
have
changed,
and
then
he
also
told
me
that
his
his
wife
would
was
not
wants
him
to
slow
down
and
spend
more
time
with
her
too.
But
he's
a
he's
a
great
guy,
and
I
think
if
you
saw
what
we
were
doing
and
inviting
people
like
that
to
say
hey
what
would
it
take
is
not
a
bad
idea.
C
So
and
there's
a
prime
piece
of
property
sizable
in
our
downtown
district:
that's
poised
to
be
developed
pretty
soon.
If
everything
goes
right,
where
the
old,
where
joe's
crab
check,
is
basically
there's
property
around
that,
I
think
to
counselor
nicholls
point:
is
here's
the
opportunity
it's
time
for
us
to
get
to
work?
We
can't
drop
the
ball
like
it
has
been
dropped
in
the
past,
so
I'm
ready
to
move
forward
with
it
and
let's
get,
and
if
we
need
to
go
talk
to
developers.
C
I
don't
have
a
problem,
doing
that
and
let's
get
their
input
and
see
what
they
say
as
far
as
what
they
need
from
a
from
a
contractor's
point
of
view.
Do
they
need
16
foot
first
floors?
Do
they
need?
You
know
how
much
room
do
they
need
for
for
electrical
conduits
and
chases
and
ducks
and
things
like
that
and
what
they
need
for
a
rooftop
restaurant.
C
But
to
your
point
mike,
I
like,
where
we're
going
with
what
you
have
put
into
this
proposal,
and
I
personally
am
ready
to
go
forward
with
the
with
the
open
house
or
whatever
we're
going
to
call
it.
A
F
Mean
I
think
we
would
get
pretty
good
quality
feedback
in
the
open
house
that
we
could
develop
a
survey
from
that
and
from
those
information
to
get
more
detail,
I
would
say
we
try
to
do
it
immediately
after,
I
think
concurrently,
we
might
feel
like
we
missed
some
of
the
questions
that
we
needed
to
ask
in
the
survey.
If
we
don't,
if
we
just
do
them
concurrently,.
A
Yeah
and
when
I
use
the
term
concurrently-
my
apologies-
I
don't
mean
that
they
would
both
be
occurring
at
exactly
the
same
time.
I
fully
think
putting
the
survey
together
will
take
longer
than
it
will
be
to
schedule
a
public
open
house,
the
public
open
house.
We
can
probably
have
on
the
calendar
within
a
couple
of
weeks,
putting
together
the
right
survey
and
figuring
the
right
places
to
send
it
is
going
to
take
a
little
bit
more
time.
I
Wasn't
wasn't
weren't
heather
and
taylor
putting
a
survey
together
already,
and
we
were
just
going
to
tack
on
to
that
that
they
were
sending
to
local
to
downtown
business
and
property
owners.
With
regards
to
incentives,
I
thought
there
was
already
a
survey
in
development.
J
I
am
if
I
can
unmute
myself:
yes
ma'am,
we
actually
have
that
survey
ready
to
go,
but
it
was
very
specific
to
the
incentives
toolbox
and
what
incentives
that
businesses
would
be
interested
in.
So,
at
the
very
end
of
that
survey
we
did
add
a
question
it
was.
It
was
open-ended.
You
know
what
roadblocks
do
you
think
there
are
to
development
downtown,
but
it
could
be.
You
know,
jumping
off
point.
Obviously
it'll
take
us
some
time
to
get
those
results.
J
We
have
no
idea
how
many
we'll
get
back,
but
I
think
we
have
about
a
thousand
plus
property
owners.
We're
gonna
send
that
out
to
in
our
mailing
list.
Some
are
business
owners.
Some
are
property
owners
that
their
mailing
address
is
you
know
in
out
of
state
and
a
lot
of
condo
owners.
So
you
know,
obviously
when
we
get
those
results
back,
we'll
share
it,
but
it
was
specific
to
the
incentives
programs
for
the
cra.
A
A
A
A
H
H
So
we've
we've
presented
this
at
two
separate
briefings
so
far
talking
about
mr
brown's
idea
of
using
the
the
pvc
piping
and
the
ropes
and
the
signage
to
help
protect
our
dunes
moving
forward.
H
H
We
had
one
small
issue,
and
that
was
our
own
issue,
where
the
piping
was
in
our
way
for
digging
out
an
outfall
that
was
not
normally
dug
out,
which
we
were
able
to
accommodate.
It
wasn't
anything
to
have
to
do
with
the
protection.
It
was
the
fact
that
the
ropes
were
in
the
way
for
us
to
dig
it
out.
We
moved
those
and
made
accommodations
for
being
able
to
dig
that,
so
I
was
looking
for
some
further
direction
as
far
as
from
the
council
did.
We
want
to
continue
this
project?
H
Did
this
project
need
to
expand
its
boundaries?
Is?
Is
it
in
agreement
amongst
of
y'all
of
whether
or
not
we
purchase
additional
materials?
We
have
a
pretty
good
size,
still
stockpile
of
materials
in
public
work.
H
So
we
have
that
available
to
expand
that,
if
that's
the
direction
you
so
choose,
the
idea
was
basically
just
get
the
idea
whether
we
wanted
to
continue
to
cover
this
for
the
entire
beachfront
from
seagate
all
the
way
down
to
the
st
john's
county
line
or
whether
we
wanted
to
just
continue
to
expand
this
project
incrementally
or
what
you
wanted
us
to
be
able
to
do
moving
forward.
I
have
talked
with
mr
brown.
He
has
got
plenty
of
volunteers,
of
course,
because
the
school
year
started
so
he's
ready
to
expand.
B
When
I
looked
at
what
some
of
the
options
were,
I
kept
thinking
about
what
was
our
main
goal?
Why
we
started
doing
this
to
begin
with,
and
it's
to
maintain
and
protect
the
dunes.
So
there's
the
question
about
whether
this
should
be
done
in
front
of
condos.
B
The
the
goal
is
to
protect
the
dunes,
I
would
say
yeah.
It
should
be
because
it
is
still
done
on
public
land
it,
even
though
it's
in
front
of
private
property
and
the
private
property
in
a
lot
of
those
condos
they
rent
out
or
they
do
vacation
rentals
for
the
units
and
that
will
impact
the
dunes
and
we
don't
want
to
have
the
negative
impact
of
the
dunes,
whether
it's
in
front
of
a
private
property
or
a
public
property.
B
So
I'd
be
fine
with
that,
and
the
maintenance
you've
noted
that
you're
not
having
any
issues
with
that.
So
I
think
it's
been
a
very
nice
collaboration,
and
so
I
that
I
would
say
we
should
expand
it
now,
all
the
way
down
to
st
john's
county.
I
think
you'll
have
some
heartache
in
some
areas
in
the
south
part,
depending
on
how
you
do
it,
because
they're
like
chet's
walk
over
is
33rd.
B
33Rd
and
there's
no
walk
over
there,
it's
just
a
trail
through
the
dunes,
so
it
really
will
depend
on
how
you
try
and.
H
Correct-
and
the
only
thing
I
could
think
of
is-
is
that
we
would
have
him
go
ahead
and
mark
the
trail
through
the
dunes
to
keep
people
on
the
same
trail
and
not
just
wandering
wherever.
H
The
other
thing
to
keep
in
mind
is
we're
about
to
begin
construction
on
eight
walk
overs,
which
is
going
to
close
eight
walk
overs
at
various
stages
between
demolition
and
construction
as
well.
So
it's
going
to
actually
increase
traffic
on
a
lot
of
the
other
walk
overs,
potentially
based
on
those
closings
as
well.
D
So
I
did
talk
to
mr
brown
as
well,
and
I
would
say
to
ms
dumont's
point:
the
further
south:
we
go
in
jack's
beach,
the
less
public,
the
less
public
parking
there
is
down
there.
So
I
would.
I
would
say
that
if
we
do
any
expansion
that
it
should
be,
we
should
definitely
make
sure
that
we're
doing
it
in
areas
where
we
have.
You
know
we
have
public.
D
You
know
public
access
and
I
believe
we
still
have
a
lot
of
areas
that
we
have
public
access
and
we
don't
have
the
the
pipes
and
the
rope,
because
I
think
that's
the
the
biggest
issue
that
we're
seeing
is
the
residents
know,
I
think,
in
general,
to
stay
off
the
dunes.
D
It's
the
visitors
that
are
really
the
the
biggest
concern,
because
they
may
not
understand
that
they're
supposed
to
stay
off
the
dunes
kevin
does
say
that
he's
got
all
the
volunteer,
help
that
he
needs
and
he
can
he
can
cover.
D
Whatever
needs
to
be
done,
I
will
add
that
he
said
that
they
do
intend
to
plan
plant,
more
sea
oats
and
they're
planning
to
do
some
like
infill
infill
with
sea
oats
and
his
his
comment
was
that
he
would
want
to
do
the
the
pipe
and
the
rope
at
the
same
time
that
they're
doing
sea
oats
because
he
wants
to
make
sure
any
of
the
nucials
they
put
in
are
going
to
be
protected.
D
D
As
far
as
some
of
the
other
questions
kevin
said
they
can
they
they
are
ready
to
do
whatever.
We
need
to
do
and
he's
been
happy
to
follow
up
on
any
issues
that
have
come
up.
There
have
been
a
few
places
where
they,
where
some
pipe
has
been
removed
or
taken
down,
and
he
he
said,
people
will
call
him
and
tell
him
and
he'll
go
down
there
and
he'll
fix
it.
So
or
you
know
he
gets,
he
gets
kids
to
help
him
with
some
of
the
some
of
the
repair
that
needs
to
be
done.
D
G
I
I
just
want
to
kind
of
second
on
what
counselor
dumont
was
saying.
I
think
there's
there's
definitely
some
need
for
something
on
down.
You
know
on
the
extreme
south
end,
but
you
know
between
25th
and
being
37th
actually
really
between
yeah
25th
37th
is
your
last
major
public
walk-over
on
the
south
end
and
then
it's
it's
mostly
residential
past
25th.
In
fact
it's
all
residential
past
25th,
so
I
think
in
there
you
know
I
I
I
worry
about.
G
You
know
limiting
the
homeowner
access
as
well,
because
they
do
have
that
right
to
access
the
the
beach
and
we
do
want
the
dune
protection
as
well.
So
I
think
down
I,
I
would
really
you
know,
push
for
some
really
good
signage
down.
On
our
end,
I
think
that
would
would
be
best,
and
you
know
you
would
be
surprised
how
much
traffic
we
get.
G
I
mean
I'm
on
the
corner
of
33rd
and
2nd,
and
I
have
people
parking
in
front
of
my
house
every
weekend
in
the
summer
and
I'm
three
blocks
two
blocks
away.
It's
and
I
mean
it's
people
up
and
down
the
street
and
they
and
they're
not
jax
beach
people.
I
see
them
walking
to
the
beach
they
are
coming.
G
You
know
carts
buggies,
chairs,
they're
here
for
the
day,
so
we
do
have
a
lot
of
people,
even
though
we
don't
have
public
parking.
We
do
have
a
lot
of
people,
and
so
I
think
some
really
good
signage,
but
we
are
mostly
the
residents.
Aren't
you
know
they're,
not
they're,
not
crawling
over
the
dunes
for
fun,
but
I
I
do
think
that
we
need
some
really
good
signage.
G
If,
if
not
pvc
all
the
way
up
and
down
between
25th
and
st
johns
county,
and
then
you
know
really
between
37th
and
st
john's
county,
I
think
you
could
go
without
and
just
put
some
good
signage
on
the
beach
access
points
that
just
you
know
I
mean
we
don't
have
any
signage,
really
one
33rd
and
and
on
the
streets
up
and
up
and
down,
and
so
I
think
that
would
just
go
a
long
way
above
pvc
down
where
it's
it's
heavily
residential
and
not
as
many
apartments
or
condos
or
rentals.
G
Although
we
do
get
a
lot
of
vacationers,
so
just
I
I
make
that
point
because
I
do
see
it
and
and
if
you're
here
anytime
in
the
summer,
between
37th
and
25th,
all
these
streets
are
chock-full
of
people
parking
on
the
right-of-way
headed
to
that
beach.
Access.
I
I
I
think
that
we
should
allow
them
to
go
ahead
and
put
pvc
pipe
and
rope
up
any
time
that
they're
doing
a
planting,
regardless
of
where
it
is,
and
not
just
so
that
people
know
to
stay
off
of
it,
but
maybe
to
attach
a
sign
that
says
something
you
know
to
the
effect
of
just
pointing
out
that
it's
a
it's
a
dune
restoration
program
by
you
know
whatever
kevin
brown's
the
marine
science,
kids
or
whatever
it
is,
but
so
there's
some
information
attached
to
what's
being
done
there
and
then
also
the
the
protection
of
adding
the
pvc
pipes.
H
I
do
I
don't
do
not
have
a
problem,
I'm
sure
mr
brown
is
watching
and
I'm
sure
he's
excited
to
get
started.
Awesome.
H
All
right,
my
second
topic
for
the
evening
is,
is
just
simply
an
update
for
for
everyone
on
the
council
on
the
senate
bill
64..
Basically,
what
I
provided
to
you
as
far
as
the
briefing
goes,
is
what
we're
planning
on
sending
as
supporting
documentation
with
our
application.
Back
to
dep
you
can
see,
I
highlighted
the
maybe
10
different
options,
not
for
sure
any
of
those
or
which
direction
they
would
be
taken
or
how
well
they'll
be
received.
H
The
understanding
is
that
this
is
a
a
very
large
requirement
for
us
to
have
to
to
to
live
by
as
far
as
the
regulatory
end
of
it,
and
we
believe
you
know
we'll
probably
have
him
to
be
coming
forward
after
we
get
our
filing
and
we
get
back
some
information
back
from
dep
to
be
engaging
one
of
our
engineering
firms
to
be
able
to
help
us
further
this
along
and
determine
what
is
the
best
option
or
what
are
the
costs
for
all
of
our
options.
H
Every
cost
I
gave
you
on
here
was
simply
no
more
than
a
departmental
guess.
Do
not
hold
us
to
any
of
those
costs.
Those
costs
could
go
twice
as
much
as
what
they
are
listed
on
the
paper
I've
already
heard
of
some
deep
injection
wells
that
they
were
estimated
at
10
that
are
now
coming
in
in
excess
of
20..
So
some
of
these
things
are
all
over
the
place
and
demand
is
going
to
increase
after
the
november
filing
time
to
be
able
to
get
this
in
front
of
ddp.
H
A
Well
I'll,
let
me
chime
in
before
dennis
gives
a
response,
but
the
original
proposed
legislation
over
the
past
two
years
called
for
implementation
by
2026.,
okay.
So
the
fact
that
we
knew
that
this
was
a
direction.
The
governor
and
most
of
the
legislature
wanted
to
go.
A
Florida
league
of
cities
behind
the
scenes
did
some
heavy
lobbying
to
get
an
extra
five
years
to
act
onto
that,
because
I
believe
we
now
have
approximately
a
10-year
window
to
implement
versus
the
initial
five
and
enough
jurisdictions
knocked
on
legislators,
doors
and
said:
hey
it
takes
it
takes
years
to
do
the
right
feasibility
studies
and
then
start
your
design
process.
A
Five
years
is
way
too
short,
so
I
think
we're
we're
happy
that
we
got
to
the
10.,
but
it
still
doesn't
make
us
happy
with
regards
to
what
we
might
have
to
spend
financially
dennis.
Is
there
anything
you
want
to
add
based
on
the
permitting
course
you
went
to
or
your
conversations.
H
Yes,
and
part
of
that
is,
is
I
think
everybody
is
viewing
that
this
legislation
could
be
changed
or
altered
anytime
in
the
next
upcoming
time
frame
before
it
actually
has
to
be
implemented
with
that
being
said,
like
I
said,
we,
we
don't
want
to
be
behind
the
ball
and
be
dragging
our
feet
and
then
drag
it
out
to
20
30
and
then
all
of
a
sudden,
we're
scrambling
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
how
to
meet
the
goals,
and
they
haven't
been
done,
but
I
would
expect
over
the
next
year,
or
so
a
year
or
two
you're,
probably
going
to
see
some
jockeying
and
some
alterations
to
maybe
some
of
these
requirements.
H
H
Well,
when
our
flows
are
extremely
high,
that's
also
the
time
we
don't
need,
reuse
and
irrigation,
because
it's
been
raining
a
whole
bunch.
So
therefore,
you
know
we're
going
to
have
excessive
amounts
of
flows
and
and
nobody's
really
answered
the
question
of
how
do
you
accommodate
what
happens
when
you
have
extra
flow,
because
everything
here
is
aimed
on
meeting
your
average
daily
flow?
H
So
if
I
come
up
with
a
design
that
says
we're
meeting
our
average
day
flow,
all
of
a
sudden,
we
get
seven
days
of
rain,
we're
not
at
our
average
daily
flow,
any
longer
we're
way
above
and
but
yet
we're
not
supposed
to
have
any
surface
water
discharge.
So
there's
there's
quite
a
bit
of
pieces
and
parts
to
this
that
nobody
really
has
those
answers
yet
including
the
number
one
basis
which
is
to
to
continue
with
a
surface
water
discharge.
H
You
have
to
show
a
direct
benefit
to
the
environment
and
we
have
several
options
for
being
able
to
show
direct
benefits
by
not
doing
anything
so
well,
I
don't
think
that's
realistically
gonna
fly,
I'm
gonna
wait
till
they
tell
us
that
that
doesn't
fly
and
that
we
have
to
move
a
little
farther
into
something
else
as
one
of
our
other
opportunities.
But
I
know
we've
already
had
our
first
day
of
engineering
interviews
today,
and
this
is
a
hot
topic
on
on
their
minds
as
well,
so
they're
working
on
them
for
other
communities.
H
So
what
I
expect
to
do
is
over
the
next
couple
weeks
over
the
next
six
months
or
so
dep,
is
supposed
to
provide
a
response
back
to
us.
We
do
not
have
to
supply
any
supporting
documentation,
however.
I'm
getting
the
most
cities
and
municipalities
are
providing
additional
documentation
because
they
know
that
when
this
hits
the
the
dep's
desk
they're
going
to
have
additional
questions
and
if
at
least,
if
you
provided
them
some
of
their
documentation
of
what
your
plan
is,
I
think
they're
going
to
be
better
approving
what
what
you're
suggesting
to
them.
F
A
I
think
they're
ready
for
it
before
before
you
dive
into
it
dennis
for
the
council
members,
you
may
have
been
the
recipient
of
outreach
from
waste
management
over
the
past
several
days,
based
on
a
meeting
that
we
had
with
them.
At
the
end
of
last
week,
we
did
hear
from
greg
huntington
one
of
their
representatives
that
he
was
in
the
process
of
trying
to
communicate
with
as
many
of
you
as
he
possibly
could.
A
So,
if
you
were
reached
out
to
by
him
fantastic
and
if
not,
then
this
will
bring
you
a
little
bit
up
to
speed
on
some
of
our
conversations
with
them.
All
yours
dennis.
H
All
right,
so,
of
course,
this
memo
was
written
prior
to
that
meeting.
So
I
didn't
have
a
lot
of
information
to
be
able
to
provide
you
from
the
meeting
that
occurred
after
the
the
briefing
memo
had
to
go
out.
H
We
had
originally
asked
approximately
four
weeks
before
at
a
meeting
from
waste
management
to
provide
us
with
some
some
suggested
items,
or
some
bullet
points
to
be
able
to
to
bring
to
you
as
supported
mousse
or
a
memorandum
of
understanding
to
allow
them
to
function
outside
of
their
contract
agreement
for
a
specific
amount
of
time.
The
thought
was
is
is
knowing
that
they
were
talking
about
suspending
recycling
or
suspending
yard
waste
pickup,
or
some
of
the
other
things
that
we're
seeing
going
on
in
the
community
surrounding
us.
H
We
expected
that
they
might
have
a
list
of
bullets
for
for
you
to
consider.
As
of
our
meeting
last
thursday
afternoon,
waste
management
believes
that
they
are
currently
on
the
uptick
with
their
hiring
process.
H
The
other
waste
of
providers
in
the
area
have
managed
to
get
up
and
operating
so
they're,
not
stealing
each
other's
drivers
back
and
forth
between
all
the
different
companies.
Right
now,
so,
waste
management
feels
fairly
confident
that
they
had
a
full
seating
of
drivers
and
several
more
in
training
to
be
able
to
cover
for
those
losses.
H
Their
equipment
seems
to
have
been
improved,
so
we
seem
to
be
actually
seeing
a
slightly
better
pickup
schedule
and
at
least
not
as
many
breakdowns.
I
say
that
as
of
today,
they
had
to
send
the
truck
off
early
and,
and
none
of
the
recycling
got
picked
up
with
the
small
pup
truck
that
uses
that
does
alleyway
so
they're
still
experiencing
some
issues
and
concerns,
but
from
their
meeting
with
them.
Last
week,
their
first
suggestion
to
the
city
was
not
to
alter
anything
at
all
with
their
contract.
H
H
They
believe
that
they're
seeing
improvement
over
the
last
two
to
three
weeks
and
that
they
hope
to
get
back
to
what
we
believe
is,
as
our
required
contract
level
at
some
point
in
time,
pretty
quick
in
the
future,
so
that
was
their
first
choice.
Their
second
choice
was
the
opportunity
to
be
able
to
eliminate
recycling
on
the
beaches
upon
that
suggestion,
which
they
do
not
support,
and
neither
does
public
works.
H
It's
not
a
large
enough
impact
to
warrant
the
outcry
that
we're
going
to
have,
or
the
additional
need
for
people
to
to
do
something
different
with
the
recycling
during
this
downtime
period,
as
well
as
just
the
fact
that
for
those
people
that
just
choose
to
throw
it
into
the
regular
solid
waste,
we're
going
to
have
a
natural
hip,
tuck
uptick
in
the
amount
of
solid
waste
to
be
collected.
So
therefore,
we're
kind
of
shifting
it
from
one
hand
to
the
other
hand,
but
it
still
hasn't
gone
away.
H
Their
third
option-
if
I
remember
right-
I
don't
have
my
pad
in
front
of
me-
was
to
look
at
keeping
recycling
intact.
However,
to
reduce
the
number
of
solid
waste
collections
to
only
once
per
week,
their
feeling
on
that
was
that
would
only
gain
them
two
driver
days.
H
So
that's
one
driver
each
day
for
two
days
with
all
that
would
gain
them
across
the
board.
So
again,
logistically
it
doesn't
save
them
enough
for
being
able
to
reduce
it
because
you're
just
removing
the
waste
to
a
different
day,
nothing
changes
in
volumes
and
it
really
doesn't
gain
them
any
efficiency.
So,
overall,
at
the
end
of
the
meeting,
their
suggestion
to
us
was
we're
getting
better
they're
being
staffed
up
appropriately
and
and
they
hope
to
get
our
service
levels
back
to
what
we
expect
so
the
direction
I
have.
H
As
far
as
a
request
to
understand
whether
or
not
the
council
wants
to
continue
to
hold
out,
we
are
approximately
17
months
away
from
this
contract
expiring
in
february
of
23
right
now,
we're
seeing
average
garbage
truck
delivery
times,
if,
if
somebody
wanted
to
start
up
a
business
and
equip
it
of
at
least
12
months
on
equipment,
so
the
idea
behind
those
questions,
even
though
it's
way
out
early,
is
if
we're
completely
dissatisfied
with
waste
management,
and
we
want
to
move
on
to
another
provider
or
the
opportunity
for
another
provider.
H
The
idea
is
to
get
that
rfq
or
rfp
out
immediately
or
pretty
quick,
so
that
they
would
have
enough
time
for
any
one
of
the
other
waste
haulers
to
be
able
to
equip
up
with
drivers,
trucks
and
everything
else
to
be
ready
for
a
february
23
start
time.
One
of
the
other
additional
questions
was
whether
public
works
should
look
at
the
opportunity
of
bringing
solid
waste
back
in-house
and
operating
with
our
own
solid
waste
division.
H
That
will
require
a
significant
amount
of
work
internally,
administratively
amongst
me,
and
several
other
people
to
be
able
to
put
together
a
plan
to
be
able
to
do
that,
so
the
direction
there
was
to
to
assure
that
that's
the
way
you
wanted
us
to
spend
our
time
and
dedicate
our
time
to
trying
to
really
put
forward
that
business
case
as
to
what
it
would
take
to
be
to
take
in-house
or
or
at
some
level,
whether
or
not
that's
a
complete
proposal,
or
whether
that's
a
50
proposal
to
try
to
do
that.
H
To
have
some
ideas
as
to
where
do
we
go
from
here
and
then
one
of
the
other
alternatives
is:
do
we
just
kind
of
hold
out
and
wait
and
see?
If
actually
you
know,
this
is
on
a
turnaround
at
this
point
and
over
the
next
couple
three
months
things
improve
and
we
get
back
to
doing
a
normal
operational
business
and
where
waste
management
becomes
the
provider,
we
were
hoping
we
were
going
to
get
when
we
had
the
takeover
from
ads
from
the
previous
contract.
H
So
several
questions
of
direction,
not
knowing
exactly
which
direction
y'all
would
like
me
to
proceed
at
this
point
and
then
any
other
questions
on
any
other
opportunities
or
ideas
you
have
as
far
as
the
suggestions
of
what
to
do
next.
A
And
with
that
presentation
we'll
go
over
to
councillor
dumas
first.
B
Waste
management
isn't
the
only
solid
waste
disposal
company
going
through
these
issues.
So
even
if
we
chose
to
look
for
somebody
else,
they're
all
facing
those
same
issues,
so
I
am
happy
to
hear
that
they
are
on
the
uptick
feeling
like
they're
turning
around.
They
have
a
lot
of
truck
drivers,
getting
ready
like
they're
in
the
training
queue.
So
I
think
that
that
is
good.
B
Taxpayers
and
jack
speech
have
been
paying
for
a
service
that
they
have
not
been
getting
the
full
service
for,
and
I
was
wondering,
is
the
city
looking
at
doing
anything
to
try
and
make
the
people
who
have
been
paying
the
full
amount
for
their
solid
waste
fees
every
month.
H
I
can
take
a
stab
at
this
one.
Obviously
you're
asking
the
public
works
director
a
finance
question,
but
I
think
I
have
been
prepped
enough
that
I
can
answer
that
question.
So
you
are
correct
with
what
they're
paying
on
a
monthly
fee.
They
are
receiving
four
services,
or
at
least
that's
the
idea
behind
it.
H
The
four
services
would
include
recycling
collection
on
an
average
four
times
a
month,
garbage
collection
average
of
eight
times
a
month,
I'm
assuming
four
weeks
in
a
in
a
month,
obviously
bulk
pickup,
either
as
they
put
it
out
or
upon
their
normal
collection
day,
depending
on
on
what
items
they're
putting
out
and
then
as
well
as
all
of
those
things
yard
waste
pick
up
at
a
once
a
week
pickup.
H
So
we
get
into
the
finance
question
of
trying
to
determine
how
how
many
times
somebody
gets
missed,
how
often
they
get
missed,
do
they
did
they
get
missed
every
single
week?
Were
they
pulling
their
stuff
back
up
to
the
house,
so
they
really,
while
they
were
being
missed,
they
were
being
missed
because
when
they
showed
up
the
next
day,
the
stuff
wasn't
out
any
longer.
H
So
I
was
trying
to
figure
out
where
the
city
rides.
As
far
as
do
we
consider
an
opportunity
of
a
refund
or
of
a
credit
or
something
along
that
lines,
and-
and
so
I
think
the
reason
jacksonville
has
chosen
not
to
is
because
it's
it's
so
hard
to
determine
what
little
fragment
piece
each
particular
item
gets.
So
if
you,
you
figure,
you're,
getting
eight
solid
waste,
pickups
and
then
eight
recycling
slash
yard
waste
pickups
a
month.
H
You
know
that's
16,
so
16
different
collection
times
for
an
average
homeowner,
that's
paying
about
16
a
month.
So
do
we
say
that,
because
your
yard
waste
was
missed,
you
get
a
one
dollar
credit.
It
gets
financially
to
the
point
where
it's
very
de
minimis,
to
be
able
to
try
to
the
paperwork
is
gonna
by
far
outweigh
the
cost.
H
As
far
as
doing
any
sort
of
a
blanket
refund,
that
would
have
to
be
direction
from
city
council,
and
it
would
have
to
have
some
finance
input
to
understand
that
that
would
have
an
impact
per
our
revenues.
That
would
we
we
would
be
in
taking
and
then
how
do
we
determine
what
that
affects?
Is
it
only
to
residential
customers?
Only?
Does
this
apply
to
commercial
customers
as
well?
A
Yeah,
I
just
want
to
tack
on
to
that
with
some
conversations
that
I've
had
with
the
finance
director,
and
that
is
with
regards
to
the
solid
waste
reserves,
as
well
as
the
terms
and
conditions
of
the
existing
contract
that
we're
under
right
now
over
the
past
couple
of
years,
we
are
in
a
position
where
the
reserves
are
on
a
slight
downslope,
which
means
we're
actually
going
through
the
reserves
that
we
have
stacked
up
over
the
last
several
years.
A
You're,
probably
all
aware
that
the
solid
waste
rate
has
not
adjusted
in
a
long
time
here
at
the
city
of
jacksonville
beach,
but
probably
the
biggest
issue
of
all
that
I
want
you
to
be
aware
of
is
the
fact
that,
when
he
entered
into
this
contract
going
back
multiple
years
ago
before
I
got
here,
it
was
executed.
Before
I
got
here,
the
city
was
the
beneficiary
of
lower
labor
rates
for
all
of
the
cdl
drivers
that
are
currently
out
there,
as
well
as
lower
recycling
collection
rates.
A
Since
the
time
of
that
contract
execution,
there
has
been
a
major
shift
in
recycling
to
where
we
would
not
be.
It
would
not
be
unreasonable
for
us
to
see
the
cost
of
recycling
go
up
by
a
multiple
factor
of
perhaps
two
to
three
times
as
much
as
we're
currently
paying
for
recycling
when
we
go
back
out
on
the
street
for
our
next
contract.
A
So,
while
council
could
decide
from
a
policy
perspective
that
you
think
it's
a
good
idea
that
we
give
some
type
of
a
rebate
back
to
the
residents,
the
money
that
we
have
received
or
the
money
that
we
have
not
paid
due
to
liquidated
damages,
is
staying
in
the
solid
waste
reserves
and
we
will
probably
need
every
penny
of
those
reserves
when
we
go
back
out
for
our
next
contract.
B
Okay,
thank
you.
I
think
this
is
something
that
we
might
want
to
just
like
for
the
residents
one
month,
because
everybo
pretty
much
everybody
got
hit
for
a
while,
probably
a
month,
there
was
like
one
really
rough
month
that
they
had
a
real
hard
go
of
it,
but
I
think
that's
something
that
we
might
want
to
think
about.
We
none
of
us
like
to
pay
for
a
service
that
we
don't
get,
so
that's
a
discussion
that
we
could
have
at
a
future
briefing.
B
B
Waste
is
a
consolidation
of
companies,
and
so
there
are
fewer
actors
who
are
in
that
field
and
it's
cost
a
lot
for
new
actors
to
enter
the
field
and
then
to
compete
with
these
larger
actors.
The
whole
purpose
of
government
contracting
when
we
start
looking
at
contracting
out
services
that
were
once
provided
by
government
to
private
contractors,
it's
the
logic
of
the
markets,
and
so
competition
is
going
to
increase
services
and
decrease
costs.
B
However,
when
that
competition
is
taken
away,
services
go
down
and
costs
can
go
up,
and
for
that
reason,
and
just
what
we're
seeing
over
time
with
fewer
and
fewer
solid
waste
haulers
is,
I
think
we
should
do
a
I,
I
wouldn't
say
a
full
blown
out
business
plan,
but
a
cost-benefit
analysis
of
what
we'd
be
looking
at
to
bring
it
in-house,
either
wholly
or
partially.
B
D
To
ms
dumont's
point
when
I
was
at
the
florida
league
of
cities
annual
conference
back
in
august,
I
I
had
the
opportunity
to
talk
to
several
waste,
solid
waste
providers
and
I
talked
to
them,
and
I
asked
every
single
one
of
them.
What
theirs?
You
know
what
their
situation
was,
and
they
all
said
that
they
were
all
having
issues
with
staffing
that
they
were
all
struggling
to
pick
up.
D
You
know
based
on
the
schedule
that
they
were
contracted,
for
they
were
all
offering
hiring
bonuses
and
we're
having
trouble
hiring
people.
So
I
agree
I
I
don't
see
that
that
changing
providers
at
this
point
is
going
to
really
do
anything
for
us,
because
all
the
others
are
having
the
same
problem.
I
am
encouraged
to
hear
because
I
did
talk
to-
I
did
talk
to
greg
and
wasn't
was
encouraged
to
hear
that
he
feels
that
things
are
improving.
D
I
just
wanted
to
make
the
comment
that
I,
based
on
what
we've
been
seeing-
that's
happening
in
jacksonville
with
their
suspension
of
recycling.
I
would
not
want
to
do
that
here
in
jacks
beach,
because
I
just
I
don't
want
to
go
there.
If
anything,
you
know
what
I
asked
greg
about
is
you
know,
re
reducing
the
the
yard
waste
pickup.
D
I
I
hope
that
we're
getting
into
a
a
time
frame
where
it
will
naturally
decrease,
because
you
know
we're
getting
into
winter
and
hopefully
there
would
be
less
yard
waste
that
would
need
to
be
picked
up.
So
maybe
that
will
certainly
help
with
the
situation,
but
I've
talked
to
citizens
and
I
think
that
citizens,
the
ones
that
I've
spoken
with,
would
be
fine
with
reducing
the
yard
waste
pickup
as
long
as
they
knew
when
it
was
supposed
to
be
picked
up.
D
If
they
knew
that
it's
going
to
be
picked
up
twice-
and
you
know
like
the
second
and
fourth
thursday
or
whatever,
and
they
can
put
their
yard
waste
out
with
some
confidence
that
it
will
be
picked
up.
Then
they
said
that
they
could
be
fine
with
that
they
don't
necessarily
need
to
have
four
days
a
week
or
four
days
a
month.
Excuse
me,
and
I
did
have
a
few
citizens
that
said
hey
where
I
used
to
live.
We
never
got
garbage
picked
up
twice
a
week.
D
I'd
be
okay
with
once
a
week,
but
that
one
may
be
a
harder
one
to
to
really
do
at
this
point.
I
don't
know,
but
those
are
those
are
just
some
of
my
thoughts
based
on
conversations
that
I've
had
with
citizens
and
if,
if
reducing
the
yard,
waste
pickup
would
help
at
all.
Maybe
that's
something
that
we
need
to
look
at.
C
Yeah,
so
I'm
with
I'm
with
sandy
in
that
regard
that-
and
I
did
have
the
opportunity
to
talk
to
mr
huntington-
and
I
told
him-
I'm
not
a
big
fan
of
eliminating
the
recycling,
because
that's
just
going
to
create
a
big
problem
for
us.
It's
just
going
to
create
more
solid
waste
and
and
have
a
bigger
impact
on
us.
C
If
anything
we
could
make.
If
we're
going
to
make
collection
points,
let's
make
collection
points
for
yard
waste
worst
case
scenario,
but
I'm
not
I'm
not
a
fan
of
that,
but
I
was
promised
I
felt
promised
that
things
are
getting
better
as
far
as
bringing
it
in
house.
C
I
think
the
challenges
don't
change,
whether
it's
a
private
company
or
we
bring
it
in-house.
You
still
gotta
find
drivers.
You
still
gotta
find
trucks.
You
still
gotta
find
everything
so
that
doesn't
eliminate
our
problem.
In
fact,
I
think
it
creates
more
of
a
burden
for
mr
baron
than
it
does
than
he's
already
got
as
far
as
his
plate
being
full.
Let's
give
them
a
chance,
let's
see
what
they
can
do.
C
B
Thank
you
when
I
said
take
look
at
taking
it
in-house,
I'm
not
talking
about
the
miss
pickup
issue.
It's
the
possibility
in
the
future
of
increased
cost
for
d,
for
inc,
increased
costs
for
decrease
of
services,
and
that
is
the
whole
reason
why
you
contract
it
out
and
if
we
don't
have
enough
competitors
out
in
the
market,
you
know
that
the
market
won't
work,
and
so
that's
when
government
might
want
to
look
at
bringing
it
in.
B
I'm
not
asking
you
to
do
a
whole
business
plan,
but
just
not
just
the
back
of
the
envelope
analysis,
but
something
a
little
bit
between
that
and
a
business
plan.
I
Thank
you.
I
am
also
optimistic
that
hopefully,
things
have
turned
around
and
we're
on
the
swing
and-
and
I
did
speak
with
greg
as
well
and
he
seemed
confident
of
that
art.
I
want
to
know
one.
Is
there
a
regular
follow-up
plan
for
that
meeting
that
you
had
with
him
and
dennis
or
and
the
leadership
over
there
you
know?
I
Is
there
like
a
monthly
conference,
call
being
scheduled
or
some
sort
of
regular
touch
point
and
then
the
other
question
I
had,
and
I
think
this
is
what
you
said
I
just
want
to
make
sure
I
was
hearing
correctly
the
chargeback,
the
penalties
that
we're
charging
them
are
going
into
the
solid
waste
reserves
and
you
kind
of
equated
that
to
the
potential
increase
in
cost
in
the
future.
So
am
I
drawing
a
line
from
those
reserves
could
be
used
at
some
future
point
to
mitigate
an
increase
in
the
fee
to
the
customer.
H
H
I
know
looking
overall
at
what
we
pay
for
solid
waste
and
from
what
I
understand,
I
don't
want
to
speak
for
finance,
but
from
what
I
understand
at
some
point
in
time
in
the
future
because
of
the
cost
of
service
and
the
cost
of
the
cpi
and
the
fuel
adjustment
they
get
at
some
point
in
time
in
the
future,
we're
going
to
get
the
amounts
in
that
reserve
fund
are
hitting
the
critical
levels
where
we
don't
want
to
go
now,
keep
in
mind,
we
do
keep
a
certain
peace
in
that
reserve
fund
to
cover
the
immediate
expense
for
hurricane
preparedness,
obviously
for
disposal
of
items
based
on
an
extreme
tropical
storm,
and
so
we
want
to
be
careful
when
we
speak
of
those
reserves.
H
Those
reserves
are
there
to
be
able
to
have
the
the
capital
funding
available,
to
be
able
to
hire
contractors
to
be
able
to
come
in
and
remove
that
waste,
be
able
to
pay
their
bill
and
then
wait
upon
reimbursement
depending
on
storm
issues.
So
as
we
decrease
the
cost
of
our
requirement,
how
many
how
much
we
have
in
reserves,
we've
got
to
always
make
sure
that
we
have
at
least
a
minimum
amount
into
that
reserve
fund.
H
H
Knowing
that
to
do
this
particular
analysis,
we're
going
to
have
to
be
paying
drivers
what
the
market's
going
to
be
affording-
and
at
this
point
in
time,
cdl
drivers
are-
are
getting
26
bucks
an
hour
minimum
to
go
to
any
of
these
other
firms,
which
means
to
keep
from
falling
into
the
the
equation
of
I'm
hiring,
I'm
training
them
and
they're
going
down
the
road
to
somebody
else.
H
That's
got
to
be
the
starting
point
and
then
we've
got
to
be
able
to
come
up
with
enough
things
to
keep
them
here,
including
our
benefits
package
and
or
pension
or
whatever
other
items.
So
that
does
create
some
issues.
On
the
back
end,
I
have
began
the
back
of
the
envelope
business
case
as
mike's.
Given
me
the
direction
to
start,
he
told
me
not
to
get
too
deep
in
it
and
don't
spend
too
much
of
my
time
in
it
until
we
got
to
the
point
of
council
direction.
H
H
Do
you
want
us
to
hold
hold
on
until
the
first
of
the
year
to
where
we're
looking
at
getting
real
close
to
that
year?
13-Month
deadline
to
be
able
to
do
it.
I
do
know:
we've
had
a
couple
of
new
waste.
Vendors
have
entered
the
market
here
locally
and
at
this
point
in
time
I
I
know
they're
they're,
one
of
the
one
of
the
two
largest.
We
had
two
providers
up
north
and
one
of
those
was
also
purchased
from
one
of
the
providers
that
we've
just
seen
enter
the
market
here.
H
So
I
can
also
tell
you
that
one
of
the
local
providers
here
is
making
a
takeover
of
of
large
solid
waste
areas
up
in
the
midwest
so
that
that
their
footprint
is
expanding.
So
you
gotta
expect
that
they'll
they'll
be
poised
and
ready
to
be
able
to
be
a
competitive
bidder
if
needed.
I
And-
and
I
do
think
that
looking
at
that
bringing
in
in-house
at
least
the
the
rough
numbers
in
context
of
the
numbers
that
we
see
with
the
rfp
is
a
really
good
idea
and
then
the
other
my
other
question
just
about.
Do.
We
have
a
regular
follow-up
with
that
leadership
group
to
continue
to
stay
in
touch
with
waste
management,
or
is
it
just
me
on
as
needed.
H
We
were
meeting
monthly
prior
to
everything
going
to
they've
they've
had
some
turnover
and
some
of
the
supervisory
level
people
we
were
meeting
with,
so
that
meeting
is
has
kind
of
been
intermittent
a
little
bit.
We
did
meet
with
some
of
their
more
middle
level
management
a
month
ago,
and
then
we
haven't
had
another
meeting
with
them,
although
we're
still
in
daily
contact
with
the
route
driver
and
as
well
as
the
their
supervisor
commercial
route
supervisor.
H
H
It's
just
a
matter
of
we've
been
providing
the
follow-up
because,
obviously,
upon
their
monthly
invoicing,
we're
we're
doing
our
due
diligence
on
the
back
end
of
it
with
the
liquidated
damages.
So
they
are
getting
that
information,
but
no,
I
I
by
all
means
support
a
monthly
meeting
continuing
on
or
more
frequently
if
we
need
it-
and
I
know
we've
been
asking
for
that-
you
know
for
some
form
of
an
update
for
a
significant
amount
of
time.
H
I
I
have
also
been
meeting
with
the
director
of
public
works
from
atlantic
beach
to
find
out
how
their
stuff's
going
with
dave
because
they
switched
contracts
right
in
the
middle
of
all
this.
So
I
have
had
a
had
a
meeting
just
trying
to
feel
for
how
their
new
contractor
is
going
since
waste
management
exited
and
they
have
a
new
provider
as
well.
So
it's
not
just
the
local.
H
You
know:
jax
beach,
I've
really
been
reaching
out
to
atlantic
beach,
clay
county
and
then
being
monitored
as
well.
What's
going
on
in
jacksonville
by
far
we've
we've
been
doing
better
than
most,
but
but
not
not
to
what
our
residents
are
paying
for.
I
Yeah,
I
I
think
we
need
to
just
keep
being
the
squeaky
wheel,
especially
as
long
as
we're
still
having
problems
and
dennis.
I
just
want
to
say
and
I'll
be
done
with
my
comments
after
this
please
tell
ann
and
frank
and
dave,
and
everybody
in
the
public
works
team
who's
been
handling
this.
How
much
we
appreciate
their
diligence,
because
I
mean
this
probably
came
out
of
left
field
for
them
in
terms
of
their
job
responsibilities.
So
we
really
appreciate
them
fielding
the
response.
You
know
feedback
from
the
from
the
residents.
H
You
are
exactly
right,
ann
and
janadia
and
frank
and
dave,
and
pat
and
jason
have
all
been
very
involved
in
this
from
the
beginning,
some
of
them
behind
the
scenes.
Putting
in
all
the
extra
effort
with
the
phone
calls
the
emails
and
everything
else,
that's
kind
of
where
we
felt
a
little
bit
helpless.
We've
we've
wanted
to
jump
in
and
help,
but
there's
no
provision
in
our
contract
for
allowing
us
to
help
and
be
able
to
charge
back
any
of
the
workforce.
H
So
some
of
the
ideas
that
that
you
all
are
posing
yeah
we're
going
to
want
to
put
some
of
that
information
in
the
next
rfq
rfp
to
to
assign
that
so
that
we
have
the
ability
that
if
we
get
into
this
predicament
again,
we
could
jump
in
and
help.
It
doesn't
make
sense
for
us
to
pay
a
vendor
to
do
something
and
then
us
jump
in
and
do
it
for
them,
while
we're
still
continuing
to
pay
them,
which
is
kind
of
some
of
our
frustration
as
well.
D
I
I
would
just
I
would
say
I
agree
with
with
you
doing
a
preliminary
analysis
so
that
we
have
some
idea
when
we
do
send
out
the
rfp
what
you
know
what
it
would
cost
for
us
to
do
it
in-house
versus.
D
You
know
the
the
pain
to
our
customers,
so
we
kind
of
don't
want
to
touch
the
reserve
if
we
can
help
it,
but
but
I
think
it
I,
I
think
we
need
to
have
have
a
comparison
on
if
you
know
on
what
what
it
would
cost
us
to
do
it
in-house.
I'm
not
sure
that
I
would
want
to
do
that.
I
don't
I
mean
it
makes
me.
It
makes
me
feel
good
to
know
that
you've
got
experience
with
that.
But
again
it
you
know
it.
D
I
think
it's
it's
opening
up
a
big
can
of
worms,
I
think,
but
the
other
thing
I
was
going
to
mention
is
that
is
there
any
possibility,
when
we're
going
out
for
rfp
that
we
could
do
something
like
combine,
combine,
combine
forces
like
with
atlantic
beach
and
neptune
beach
and
jacksonville
beach,
so
that
we
all
you
know
are
are
or
the
new
contractors
would
be
getting
service
you
know
would
be
getting
business
from
all
of
us.
D
So
then,
from
that
standpoint
of
what
ms
dumont
was
talking
about,
you
know
now,
maybe
we
have
a
little
more
leverage
or
whatever,
because
now
it's
a
bigger,
it's
a
bigger
opportunity
for
them.
Is
that
something
that
we
could
do?
We
could
kind
of
like
join
forces.
H
We
we
we
could
the
the
issue
that
we
have.
There
is
all
three
beach
communities
have
separate
and
different
intergovernmental
agreements
with
duval
county,
and
so
the
the
do,
the
the
agreement
we
have
doesn't
leave
us
paying
tipping
fees
at
the
landfill.
However,
the
other
two
communities
do
so
no
matter
what
even
if
we
were
to
combine
up
our
stuff
has
to
be
kept
separate
because
we
don't
pay
at
the
landfill
by
weight
for
what
we
dispose
of
so
a
truck
to
leave
our
beach
and
go
to
neptune
and
go
to
atlantic.
H
Now
you
would
have
a
co-mingled
truck.
How
would
we
pay
for
that
truck
or
would
that
truck
be
free?
And
so
there's
a
lot
of
roadblocks?
That
could
be
done
with
that.
I
know
mike
and
I
have
had
some
conversation.
H
It
would
be
very
cumbersome
to
try
to
figure
out
because
you
would
have
to
keep
jacksonville
beach
separate
from
the
other
two
beach
communities
and
I
believe
atlantic
beach.
Their
new
contract,
I
believe,
was
a
three-year
contract.
If
I
remember
right
away,
I'm
being
told
it's
a
seven
year
contract,
so
so
obviously
that
comes
with
some
provisions
on
what
they
would
be
able
to
do.
H
As
far
as
getting
out
of
that-
and
I
know
mike
and
I
had
some
conversations
and
we
looked
at
the
opportunity
of
whether
or
not
this
could
be
a
separate
governmental
agency
that
would
that
would
basically
be
in
charge
of
beaches
garbage.
But,
like
again,
that's
that's
completely
spinning
out
another
whole
governmental
agency
to
try
to
be
able
to
do
nothing
but
collect
garbage
for
the
beaches.
So
I'm
hearing
some
good
things
from
the
community
as
far
as
the
the
solid
waste
community.
H
The
one
good
thing
I
can
hear
from
is
like
I
said
our
our
providers
not
wanting
to
suspend
recycling
which
has
already
been
done
in
clay,
county
and
duval
county
and
it's
being
talked
about
at
st
john's
county,
so
we're
kind
of
excluded
from
that
conversation,
which
is
not
necessarily
a
bad
thing,
because
I
think
that
comes
with
a
lot
of
political
influence
and
I'll
be
honest
with
you.
H
It's
it's
what
they
did
when
I
left
up
north
for
a
whole
entire
year
to
combat
some
of
the
covet
costs,
was
they
suspended
recycling
for
a
whole
year
to
be
able
to
combat
the
increased
costs
and
community
outro
for
the
loss
of
recycling,
keep
in
mind
every
one
of
us
has
been
ingrained
since
we
were
in
kindergarten
to
recycle.
H
D
Yeah,
I
yeah,
I
definitely
that
I
don't
want.
I
don't
want
to
see
us
suspend
recycling
at
all,
but
the
only
other
thing
I
wanted
to
mention
is
that
I
did.
I
have
talked
to
some
residents
of
neptune
beach
and
just
just
wanted
to
share
that.
The
comments
that
I
got
from
the
citizens
in
neptune
beach
is
that
they
feel
that
they
have
been
getting
white
glove
service
from
their
from
their
contractor.
D
A
And
I
can
say
that
that
may
not
be
the
same
answer.
I
got
from
steph
and
wynn
about
six
months
ago
with
regards
to
their
service
in
neptune.
So
it
might
be.
Certain
areas
of
the
city
are
getting
the
white
glove
service,
but
I
know
that
their
council
actually
had
a
meeting.
I
believe,
six
or
eight
months
ago
to
talk
about
alternatives
to
the
poor
performance
of
solid
waste.
They
were
receiving
same
situation
as
us
under
contract
and
not
really
an
opportunity
to
go
to
another
phone
councilor
mesa.
E
H
I
I
don't
think
we
actually,
you
know
like
I
said
we
don't
count
calls,
although
the
ladies
do
log
them
into
their
individual
notebooks,
so
that
they
can
cross
through.
When
it's
been
taken
care
of
and
been
done,
it
would
require
a
fairly
significant
amount
of
work
to
count
those
and
then
in
combination
with
the
emails
which
which
we
do
have
in
the
email
box.
I
know
we
have
seen
a
significant
amount.
H
It
seemed
like
it
leveled
off
and
it
looked
like
it
was
actually
going
down
and-
and
we
thought
things
were
getting
significantly
better
and
then
we
all
of
a
sudden
got
a
flurry
of
phone
calls
of
people
saying
you
know
my
yard.
Waste
hasn't
been
picked
up
for
seven
weeks
and
it's
like
well.
H
Why
haven't
you
called
us
seven
weeks
earlier
and
let
us
know
what's
going
on
so
it's
it's
some
of
that
happened
and
then
we
had
a
flurry
of
a
whole
bunch
of
people
calling
with
concerns
that
it
had
been
weeks
and
months
since
they'd
had
any
yard
waste
pickups
at
all.
H
So
it's
kind
of
hard
to
judge
what
exactly
we've
got
going
on
other
than
the
tracking
we're
doing
through
the
liquidated
damages
and
through
the
you
know,
the
complaint
driven
process
that
we've
got
in
place
and
you
know
so
the
contract
allows
it
allows
them
to
miss
garbage
and
then,
if
we
notify
them
that
it
was
a
miss,
they
have
a
certain
amount
of
time
to
then
collect
it
before
it
becomes
a
liquidated
damage.
H
So
that's
why
we
were
trying
to
trying
to
encourage
people
to
email
us
and
let
us
know
when
they
were
skipped
right
away,
because
we
could
begin
the
documentation
trail,
but
when
they
call
us
back
and
say
it's
been
missed
for
six
or
seven
weeks,
it's
very
hard
to
back
date
that
time
and
try
to
be
able
to
justify
that.
We
know
it's
been
missed
that
long
and
then
how
do
we
go
back
and
be
able
to
try
to
do
anything
with
the
liquidated
damage
based
on
it?
H
It
just
kind
of
begins
on
the
day
of
the
call.
So
we
don't
have
a
great
process
in
place
to
be
able
to
count
the
number
of
phone
calls
as
well
as
we
get
some
some
repeat:
customers
that
that
call
quite
frequently
as
well.
So
it's
it's
trying
to
judge
which
ones
you're
getting.
Are
we
having
an
issue
in
a
particular
area?
While
this
was
going
on?
We
were
also
hearing
from
some
citizens.
H
That
said,
hey,
I
don't
know
what
other
people
are
dealing
with,
but
we're
not
having
any
issues
at
all,
so
that
that's.
That
was
the
good
things
we
were.
Hearing
too,
is
we're
sorry
you're
dealing
with
it,
but
we're
not
having
it
in
my
neighborhood
for
whatever
reason,
so
I
think
sometimes
it
was
just
neighborhood
driven.
Sometimes
it
was
street
driven.
Sometimes
it
was
confusion
and
I
think,
there's
a
lot
of
issues
with
the
processes.
H
As
waste
management
was
getting
underway,
they
were
taking
our
ticket
loading
system
and
creating
their
own
tickets
to
actually
send
out
to
the
drivers,
because
the
system
we're
using
to
enter
these
is
not
the
system
that
goes
to
the
drivers.
H
So
there
was
some
confusion
with
that
when
a
driver
was
seeing
500,
you
know
fifth
street
south
was
missed.
Well,
that
was
the
500
block
and
it
was
the
entire
block,
but
what
the
driver
got
was
500,
so
they
pulled
up
to
500,
emptied
it
and
left
and
didn't
collect
the
rest
of
the
street
because
that's
what
they
had
as
a
miss.
So
we
had
some
confusion
that
we
had
to
work
through
on
that
as
well.
F
It
is
the
only
thing
I
had
for
you
is
that
there's
a
pretty
substantial
drop-off
issue
at
the
sidewalk
on
the
utility
strip
between
the
sidewalk
and
the
curb
in
front
of
mangoes.
It
looks
like
it's
that
whole
area
has
got
about
a
five
to
six
inch
drop
off.
So
I
don't
know
if
you,
if
you've
got
somebody
that
can
take
a
look
at
that.
I
appreciate
it.
I
saw
somebody
fall
out
there.
The
other
day.
H
Yes,
that's
my
only
question
as
far
as
direction
to
understand
should
we
just
remain
in
a
holding
pattern
for
the
next
couple
three
months
and
then
look
at
potentially
something
going
out
in
january
or
february
for
an
rfp
to
be
effective
a
year
later,
or
should
we
just
kind
of
keep
writing
out
what
we've
got
and
and
wait
if
we
improves
enough
to
be
willing
to
have
a
conversation
about
a
contract
extension.
A
Those
three
hands:
first
counselor
stokes,
followed
by
jansen.
G
Well,
dennis
I
was
just
going
to
kind
of
answer.
Your
question
is
that
I
think
we
should
circle
back
early
part
of
january
and
see
where
things
are,
I'm
very
hopeful
that
staffing
improves.
I
know
my
workforce
has
been
incredibly
depleted.
G
I
know
everyone
has
seen
the
email
because
he
replied
back
to
everyone,
based
on
what
I
sent
that
coca-cola
has
been
sending
my
business
stuff
in
by
ups,
because
they
can't
find
cdl
drivers
and
that's
you
know
the
nation,
the
world's
largest
coca-cola
company-
and
you
know
I
I'm
very
optimistic
that
that
whole
situation
will
improve,
and
so
I
think,
maybe
january
we
could
have
a
another
conversation
and
see
where
waste
management
is,
and
my
only
thing
that
I
would
hope
for
and
I
think
we
it
sounds
like
we
all
got
the
chance
to
talk
with
greg
from
waste
management.
G
But
I
just
asked
them
to
increase
the
communication
with
you
and
mike
and
hopefully
with
us
as
well,
because
we're
all
getting
the
email,
the
call
the
text
and
the
most
up-to-date
info
that
we
can
give
the
citizen
the
better
and
that
also
helps
reduce
the
amount
of
questions.
Any
info
that
we
can
put
on
facebook
on
our
website
all
of
those
places
help
the
citizen.
G
You
know
why
they
may
not
completely
understand
the
issue
they'll
at
least
be
informed
of
the
issue,
so
I
would
hope
that
we
could
review
again
in
january
and
hopefully,
we'll
have
much
better
results
by
that
time.
C
Yeah,
I'm
all
for
a
three-month
holding
pattern
and
revisiting
it
real,
quick
one
other
thing
before
you
jump
off
dennis.
I
just
got
one
question
off
topic,
but
we'll
finish
up
this
first
and
then
I'll
ask
you
that.
E
Yeah,
I
agree
we
should
put
this
on
a
holding
pattern,
come
back
to
it
and
see
what
happens
and
when
I
talked
to
greg
he
sounded
very
optimistic.
I
would
say
that
I'm
seventy
percent
optimistic
another
thirty
percent,
I'm
still
very
skeptical,
just
like
myself,
we're
facing
a
a
very
hard
time,
finding
individuals
to
work
and
if
they
do,
they
quit
right
away.
They
go
somewhere
else,
and
it's
not
just,
I
think
it's
every
industry
so
hopefully
fingers
crossed.
E
H
H
That's,
I
think,
that's
why
we
we
had
the
last
meeting
with
waste
management
was
to
ask
them
what
ideas
they
wanted
to
do.
That's
kind
of
where
we've
we
really
felt
like
our
hands
were
tied.
Is
you
know
that
we
have
a
contract
that
tells
them
what
exactly
they're
supposed
to
do,
but
it
doesn't
allow
us
to
do
a
whole
lot.
So,
while
I
could
go
back
and
tell
them,
okay,
fine,
we'll
collect
yard
waste,
you
know
they
they're
still
expecting
to
be
paid
for
it
unless
we
have
some
sort
of
an
agreement.
H
So
I
think
mike-
and
I
especially
with
the
holding
pattern
scenario
we
did
want
to
kind
of
get
and
see
if
there
was
a
consensus
for
if
this
became
a
more
of
an
emergency
scenario
where
we
had
the
ability
to
be
able
to
work
with
waste
management,
to
try
to
come
up
with
some
sort
of
an
agreement
as
to
how
to
move
forward
for
a
short
term
time
frame
without
trying
to
reassemble
the
whole
entire
group,
meaning
as
such
is
if
they
called
and
said
hey
we're
still
struggling
with
drivers.
H
We
did
have
a
an
unrelated
meeting
with
our
debris
hauler
based
on
on
just
they
do
that
every
time
hurricane
season
comes
around
and
they
informed
us
that
they
were
actually
collecting
garbage
in
the
city
of
dallas
texas.
H
Simply
they
did
not
have
enough
waste
providers
to
do
it
and
they
reached
out
to
the
debris
company
to
come
in
and
take
over
garbage
collection
for
the
city.
You
know
that
that
obviously
is
kind
of
showing
you
that
this
is
not
just
a
a
northeast
florida,
even
issue.
This
is
a
significant
issue
for
the
nation
as
well,
so
just
something
to
kind
of
keep
in
mind,
or
at
least
get
some
thoughts
on,
so
that
we
knew
in
a
situation
where
they
were
asking
us
to
make
some
changes.
E
E
Driver
the
delivery
drivers
that
I
get
to
to
to
to
the
restaurant
to
bar,
sometimes
they'll,
have
people
call
out.
The
supervisor
who
sits
behind
the
desk
ends
up
driving
a
truck
and
delivering
the
goods.
Now.
Are
they
doing
the
same?
Do
they
talk
about
hey,
bringing
in
the
people
that
put
in
their
time
that
are
sitting
behind
a
desk
to
come
out
or
is
it
something
that
I
mean?
Obviously
you
know
it's
beyond
our
control,
but
do
you
know
if
they
do
any
of
that.
H
Waste
management
doesn't
seem
to
be
formulated
in
as
such
that
the
the
the
supervisors
are
actually
collectors
or
drivers.
We
did
I'm
not
saying
they're
sitting
behind
a
desk
either.
I
know
we
are
struggling
to
get
them
through
their
their
waste
management
processes
and
some
of
the
things
they
do
different.
What
management
is
known
to
be
a
lot
more
safety
oriented
than
a
lot
of
other
contract
contractors
that
are
out
there,
so
they
have
significant
influence
on
equipment,
maintenance
and
drivers
and
driver
safety
as
well.
H
You
know
what
we're
getting
back
is
we
get
feedback
back
from
those
supervisors
that
they're
actually
before
drivers
or
if
they
have
them,
they
don't
really
have
the
ability
for
them
those
folks
to
be
able
to
operate
trucks.
That's
not
what
they're
hired
to
do.
That's
not
what
their
forte
is.
I
don't
even
know
that
they're
holding
cdls
themselves-
and
I
did
hear
it
for
a
while
there
we
had
plenty
of
guard
guys-
is
what
they
were
calling
them.
Basically,
the
guys
that
are
riding
on
the
backs
of
the
truck
that
are
loading
stuff.
H
They
had
plenty
of
those,
but
they
were
missing.
The
actual
truck
drivers
themselves
is
what
they
were
struggling
with
was
the
cdl
holders,
and
I
know
they
all
had
to
start
significantly
adding
bonuses,
as
well
as
increasing
what
they
were
paying
for
wages
to
be
able
to
keep
seats
filled
during
this
during
this
last
six
to
eight
nine
months
time
frame.
E
All
right
dennis
well,
thank
you
very
much
for
bringing
us
together
and
joe.
I
know
frank-
has
been
getting
a
lot
of
calls
from
the
businesses
here
downtown,
but
no
thank
you
very
much
and
I
know
you
guys
did
a
great
job.
So
thank
you
very
much.
A
So
let
me
let
me
ask
you
the
four
questions
a
little
differently
for
council
direction,
just
to
make
sure
that
we're
all
on
the
same
page
so
over
the
next
90
days.
If,
for
some
reason,
things
with
management
went
sideways,
would
council
be
amenable
to
a
short-term
modification
to
the
contract
in
order
to
alleviate
the
impact
to
our
residents
and
make
the
service
a
little
more
amenable?
A
A
A
I
see
heads
nodding
yes
on
that,
and
do
we
want
to
have
perhaps
a
little
bit
a
little
bit
more
of
a
business
case
swag
as
to
what
it
would
be
to
bring
the
service
in-house
and
basically
transfer
it
from
the
back
of
the
envelope
to
an
actual
piece
of
paper.
A
He
does
and
okay
so,
while
that
takes
care
of
all
the
topics
that
were
on
the
agenda,
counselor
jansen,
I
think
you
said
you
had
one
more
question
for
dennis
before
he
logged
off.
C
Yeah,
since
it's
running
late
tonight,
just
super
reader's
digest
version
the
switch
from
the
chlorine
gas
to
liquid
chlorine
and,
though,
and
that
project
for
the
water.
Do
you
know
where
we're
at
now
the
status
of
that.
H
We're
currently
doing
those
one
hour
interviews,
presentations
this
week
and
next
week
and
then
we're
gonna
round
back
up
with
our
internal
group
to
start
talking
about
who,
on
that
list
of
20,
we
feel
would
be
best
to
tackle
that
project
as
an
engineering
design
process.
H
So,
unfortunately,
we're
kind
of
stuck
in
between
that
area,
where
our
contracts
expired
september,
30th
with
engineering
firms,
and
we
don't
have
existing
contracts
in
place.
Yet
we
are
very
close.
I
have
half
a
dozen
I
think
partially
executed,
I'm
kind
of
waiting
to
get
a
few
more
before
I
bring
them
downtown
to
go
through
the
signing
process
to
get
everything
in
the
books
as
well
as
all
these
presentations
going
on.
H
So
I
think
our
plan
is
like
said
to
meet
this
week
and
next
week
and
then
have
an
internal
meeting
the
following
week
to
start
rounding
up
projects
and
where
we
think
they
should
land
based
on
our
current
new
slate
of
engineering
firms.
H
And
then
that's,
probably
I'm
going
to
guess
around
a
six
month,
guess
as
far
as
being
able
to
get
a
design,
maybe
six
to
eight
months,
to
get
a
design
and
then
I
think,
depending
on
the
direction
we
receive
on
arpa
funding
as
to
whether
that
project
will
actually
go
to
construction
in
fy
22
or
whether
we'll
actually
hold
it
as
it's
in
the
cip
for
construction
for
fy
23.,
it's
budgeted
for
next
year.
H
However,
I
believe
you're
going
to
be
having
a
briefing
topic
to
discuss
whether
or
not
that's
going
to
move
forward
in
in
a
little
faster
track,
simply
because
of
the
funding
the
source
that's
available.
G
I'll
be
brief
mike
because
I
said
I
would
do
it
a
couple
weeks
ago,
just
just
on
the
jacksonville
transformation,
no
update.
We
were
supposed
to
have
something
end
of
september,
I'm
guessing
it's
delayed
because
of
covid,
but
I
will
I
know
mike
and
chris
we're
at
this
meeting.
I've
made
a
lot
of
notes
in
here.
G
I'm
gonna
see
if
I
can
try
to
get
a
fresh
copy
to
distribute
to
everybody,
and
I
will
do
that
through
mike,
but
just
want
to
let
everybody
know
that
it's
still
going
on,
we
weren't
thrown
out
and
they
really
liked
the
beaches
as
one
of
the
areas
for
the
blue
zone.
So
I
tried
to
keep
that
as
brief
as
possible.
A
Thank
you
chet
councillor,
golding
and
dumont
or
council
vermont
your
hands
raised
council
building.
Yours
either
of
you
have
report
outs
for
committee
assignments.
Before
we
jump
into
other
topics.
Councillor
golding,
I
see
you
nodding
your
head.
Yes,.
D
Yeah,
I
just
wanted
to
follow
up
on
the
email
that
I
sent
out
the
compilation
of
the
notes
from
the
workshops
and
just
for
anybody
who
hasn't
had
a
chance
to
look
at
them.
D
Yet
definitely
look
at
the
the
workshop
about
the
future
of
transportation,
because
I
found
it
really
interesting
that
there
are
these
beep
autonomous
shuttles
that
are
being
used
in
jacksonville,
not
sure
exactly
where,
but
also
at
mayo
clinic
and
so
might
be
something
for
us
to
consider
at
some
point
down
the
road,
a
transportation
option
for
the
downtown
area
to
move
people
around
in
the
downtown.
D
So
anyway,
if
you
get
a
chance,
look
at
that,
but
hopefully
the
other.
The
other
workshop
that
I
found
to
be
really
really
interesting
was
the
very
first,
the
first
notes
in
my
memo
about
social
media
and
connecting
with
the
public,
because
that
was
one
workshop.
I
wasn't
able
to
go
to
at
the
conference
whenever
it
was.
We
went
prior
and
there
was
a
lot
of
really
good
information
in
there,
especially
with
social
media
and
how
we
use
social
media
as
elected
officials
and
what
we
should
and
shouldn't
be
doing.
B
This
is
for
the
future
topics,
briefing
possible
future
briefing
topics
we're
sliding
into
that
one.
I
have
two
given
that
we've
received
some
emails
on
an
appointed,
an
elected
official,
possibly
breaking
the
ethics
policy.
B
Even
though,
then
I
guess
it's
just
there's
four
of
us
who
are
here
when
the
council
came
up
with
the
ethics
policy
and,
yes,
everybody
signs
off
on
it
or
supposed
to
read
it,
but
I
think
a
training
by
our
new
city
attorney,
miss
robinson
would
be
very
helpful
for
elected
and
appointed
officials
on
all
the
boards
to
just
review
that
ethics
policy
to
make
sure
that
we're
all
starting
from
a
fresh
start,
and
we
understand
what
all
of
it
is
entailing.
B
So
I
would
like
one
to
have
a
training
on
the
ethics
policy
for
elected
and
appointed
officials.
So
this
way
we're
all
on
the
same
page
as
to
what's
allowable
and
what's
not
mike
did
you
want
to
see
nods
on
that
or
thumbs
downs
or.
F
A
F
A
Yeah,
but
we
we
don't
go
through
every
section
in
detail
to
talk
about
what
it
really
means
and
how
it's
interpreted.
We
have,
I
think,
when
we
did
the
onboarding
with
counselors
jansen,
meza
and
stokes,
we
had
a
total
of
about
two
hours
or
so
with
each
individual,
and
in
that
two
hours
we
tried
to
cover
everything
from
sunshine
law:
public
records,
handing
out
the
code
of
ethics,
basically
going
through
a
myriad
of
operational
issues
with
the
city
as
well.
A
So
I
think
there
would
be
some
benefit
in
spending
some
dedicated
time
specifically
talking
about
the
code
of
ethics,
and
if
we
do
it
right,
we
could
actually
record
it
and
use
it
as
a
training
session
for
future
council
members
and
future
board
appointees,
and
don't
necessarily
have
to
do
it.
Every
time.
B
B
Are
we
at
least
amenable
in
a
briefing
to
discuss,
opening
up
the
ldc
with
regard
to
parking
and
multi-unit,
so
it
townhouses,
and
these
multiplexes
many
duplexes
would
have
to
have
more
than
the
two
dedicated
spots.
B
This
is.
We
are
how
we
look
so
it's
not
to
it's
not
putting
the
moratorium,
but
it
is
being
more
proactive
and
then
just
waiting
until
the
situation's
gotten
gone
too
far.
A
Yeah,
I
I
think
heather
and
I
will
put
our
heads
together
and
throw
something
on
for
a
future
briefing
for
you
to
look
at.
Basically,
I
think
what
dr
dumont's
referring
to
is
taking
a
look
specifically
at
the
ldc
element
that
right
now
allows
for
a
minimum
of
two
parking
spaces
for
any
townhouse,
regardless
of
the
size
of
the
townhouse.
A
So
if
you
have
a
four
bedroom
town
house
you're
still,
you
can
still
put
in
a
one
car
garage
and
one
driveway
parking
space.
Would
council
want
to
have
a
briefing
to
talk
about
whether
or
not
that
lbc
element
should
be
amended
in
order
to
perhaps
be
a
sliding
scale?
The
more
bedrooms
you
build,
the
more
parking
spaces
you
have
to
provide.
G
Mike
would
you
make
sure
and
include
our
new
city
attorney
in
that,
because
we
were
at
the
emo
training.
I
had
a
brief
conversation
with
the
attorney
that
was
present
and
and
how
to
avoid
litigation
and
brought
up
this
topic,
because
that
was
the
biggest
concern
out
of
all
of
us
and
not
wanting
to
move
forward,
and
he
did
mention
that
that
would
be
a
right
point
for
litigation,
that
being
that
it's
targeted.
G
D
Yeah,
the
last
briefing
I
had
brought
up
the
idea
of
joining
the
american
flood
coalition
and
I
believe
the
information
was
sent
out
to
everybody
and
I'd
like
to
suggest
again
that
we
have
this
as
a
briefing
topic
and
and
if,
if,
if
it's
only
five
minutes
or
so,
we
could
have
somebody
from
the
american
flood
coalition
be
on
the
briefing
to
answer
any
questions
that
we
may
have
so
that
we
could
at
least
consider
it.
A
Once
going
twice
with
that,
thank
you
all
for
your
time
this
evening.
Our
next
meeting
will
be
next
monday
at
six
o'clock
in
the
council
chambers.
Thank
you
all
and
have
a
great
night.