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B
Thank
you
jacob
and
thank
you
mayor
and
council
for
tonight's
january
25th,
council
briefing.
I
will
turn
the
first
item
over
to
human
resources,
director
and
muse,
and
the
floor
is
yours.
C
Hello
there,
everybody
can
hear
me
okay,
well,
congratulations
mike.
This
is
your
second
anniversary,
as
our
city
manager,
you're,
number
two
and
as
a
part
of
the
city,
manager's
contract,
there's
a
requirement
that
his
performance
gets
reviewed
on
an
annual
basis
and
as
you
all
I've
got
copies
of
the
summaries
that
I
did
for
mike's
review.
C
We
started,
firstly
with
department
directors
who
provided
it,
some
their
review
of
mike
based
on
his
supervision
and
other
management
duties
in
relationship
to
their
operations,
and
I
summarized
that
and
gave
it
to
you
guys
and
then
you
all
responded
with
your
performance
evaluations,
which
I
did
a
summary
which
I
provided
to
you
as
well,
and
so
in
the
summary
what
I
did
was.
I
took
all
your
ratings
and
I
averaged
them
and
I
included
all
the
comments
from
your
performance
evaluations.
C
I
did
want
to
bring
your
attention
that
in
his
contract
it
says
that,
after
conducting
the
annual
review,
the
city
council
shall
consider
the
results
of
the
city
marriage
performance
and
apply
guidelines
of
what
these
department
directors
received
on
their
performance
evaluations
this
year
as
part
of
the
pay
plan.
So
I
do
want
to
tell
you
that
the
department
directors
received
anywhere
from
a
two
to
a
three
percent
increase,
two
percent
being
meets
expectations.
C
Two
and
a
half
above
and
three
percent
exceeds
so
that's
kind
of
the
baseline
for
the
city
managers,
compensation
adjustment
based
on
your
performance
evaluation.
So
does
anybody
have
any
questions
on
that?
D
Thank
you
and
for
putting
this
all
together
and
also
congratulations
on
your
upcoming
retirement
good
for
you
sad
for
us,
but
we
appreciate
your
service
and
we're
gonna
get
as
much
out
of
you
over
the
next
two
months
as
we
can.
But
hopefully
everyone
has
had
a
chance
to
review
mike's
review
and
the
department
head
comments
and,
as
you
know,
these,
we
only
have
two
employees
that
report
directly
to
us.
D
So
this
is
a
really
important
function,
one
that
we
did
not
do
with
our
prior
city
manager
for
whatever
reason,
but
I
am
glad
that
we're
doing
it
now
with
mike-
and
I
think
it's
a
really
healthy
exercise
so
that
he
knows
where
he
stands
with
us
and
can
pick
up
the
themes
in
our
comments
and
use
those
to
guide
him
going
forward.
D
And
that
was
reflected
a
lot
in
our
comments,
as
well
as
the
department
head
comments,
but
going
forward.
I
saw
a
lot
of
similarities
in
really
pushing
forward
with
strategic
planning
and
our
our
mission
visioning
exercises
and
really
starting
to
move
the
needle
in
terms
of
city
operations.
So
I
didn't
see
any
surprises
or
anything
that
really
stood
out
among
the
comments,
but
I
wanted
to
give
you
guys
all
a
chance
to
to
weigh
in
there.
If
you
had
anything
additional,
you
wanted
to
add.
E
A
Well
I'll
say
one
thing
I
I
didn't
have
a
ton
to
say
being
new,
but
I
do
really
appreciate
how
reactive
and
expedient
we
are
with
things
tonight
we'll
be
talking
about
the
the
moratorium,
and
we
just
talked
about
that.
Just
this
week
we
addressed
with
the
police
department
the
parking
issues.
So
I
I
want
to
say,
like
you
know,
reactiveness,
it
was
very
high
and
you
know
I
think,
that's
really
really
great
to
see.
A
F
I'll
add
that
mike,
I
think
you
do
an
amazing
job
in
the
short
term
that
we've
got
to
know
each
other.
I'm
going
to
pick
you
back
up
with
chat,
said
you've
always
been
very
receptive.
You
know,
allowed
us
to
have
meetings
in
short
order
and,
and
I
think
you're
doing
way
above
par.
As
far
as
I
can
see
that
I
think
it's
masterful
quite
frankly,
and
I
think
my
eval
speaks
for
itself.
Thank
you.
G
I
have
to
be
back
in
johnson
and
stokes
have
said
when
mike
came
on
board.
Obviously
it
was
a
breath
of
fresh
air
and
everyone
that
I
have
talked
to
from
police
department.
The
directors
and
some
of
the
employees
have
said
they're
so
happy
to
have
him
on
board
and
how
open
he
is
to
ideas
and
how
he
wants
to
help
out
the
city
in
more
ways,
and
mike
did
a
great
job
and
I'm
happy
to
have
you
on
board.
H
H
You
know
really
well,
I
would
just
have
a
question.
I
know
that
there
were
a
lot
of
comments
in
the
eval,
so
my
question
would
be
because
I
think
last
year
there
were
oh,
you
know
again
comments
in
the
in
the
written
portion
it.
I
guess
it
wasn't
real
clear
to
me
if
there
were
any
of
those
comments
that
were
going
to
be
taken
and
like
implemented
or
anything
done
with,
and
so
is
there
any
way
that
maybe
that
could
be
something
that
you
would
share
with
us
that
you
know
okay
this
year.
B
You
know
it's
it's
ironic,
that
when
we
do
a
director's
performance
evaluation,
we
always
have
goals
and
objectives
for
the
upcoming
year
and
the
department
director
is
able
to
take
those
goals
and
directives
and
turn
around
to
the
rest
of
their
staff
and
say
if
the
city
manager
is
expecting
me
to
work
on
these
issues,
then
that
means
the
department
is
expected
to
work
on
these
issues.
B
So
I'm
going
to
have
the
same
conversation
with
the
directors.
With
regard
to
the
themes
that
I
picked
up
on
related
to
this
year's
performance
evaluation,
so
I'll
just
walk
through
four
quick
notes
that
I
made
to
summarize
the
conversation
that's
going
to
take
place
in
february.
B
The
first
is
that
the
majority
of
the
organizational
comments
seem
to
align
with
some
conversations.
We've
been
having
internally
related
to
priorities,
goals
and
initiatives
for
the
organization
moving
forward.
The
second
is
that
the
vision
and
strategic
plan
are
mentioned
five
separate
times
by
different
council
members.
Throughout
the
comments,
therefore,
placing
that,
as
a
very
high
priority,
there's
a
common
theme
for
more
information
and
communication,
two-way
with
our
with
our
constituency
and
the
last
one,
is
the
continued
desire
for
the
council
to
be
collaborative
not
just
amongst
themselves,
but
also
with
the
public.
B
So
we're
going
to
do
some
brainstorming
to
figure
out
what
we
think
are
some
of
the
best
ways
to
meet
the
objectives
of
those
themes,
and
when
we
come
back
to
you
with
the
budget
assumptions,
as
we've
done
the
past
two
years,
you
may
hear
some
additional
information
about
things,
we're
going
to
try
and
do
differently
going
forward.
H
So
could
I
do
a
quick
follow-up
up
so
something
that
the
I
I'm
trying
not
to
compare,
but
something
that
the
previous
manager
was
doing
before
he
left
was
on
a
fairly
regular
basis.
He
was
putting
together
some
reports
or
summaries
from
the
various
departments
in
the
city
so
that
the
citizens,
as
well
as
the
city
council,
could
see
you
know
here.
H
So
it's
kind
of
like
what
the
police
department
does
on
a
monthly
basis,
but
it
you
know
it
allows
there
to
be
some
visibility
to
what
what's
going
on
in
the
other
departments
and
it's
something
that's
available
to
the
public
as
well
as
to
the
council.
So
I
didn't
know
if
that's
something
that
you
would
be
considering
doing
this
year
as
well.
B
The
other
thing
I
don't
want
to
do,
though,
is
get
too
bogged
down
with
with
the
details,
so
I
want
to
make
sure
that
the
information
we
put
out
is
not
just
not
just
accurate,
but
also
meaningful
information
that
they're
going
to
want
to
read
that
they're
going
to
be
excited
about
reading
and
after
seeing
it
three
or
four
times
say
you
know,
I'm
just
looking
at
the
same
thing.
Over
and
over
again,
you
want
to
make
sure
they're
giving
them
information,
that's
actually
new
information
or
updates,
as
they
would
see
fit.
D
D
All
right!
Well,
that
was
easy.
Your
please
give
it
some
thought
if
you
have
any
any
different
feelings,
this
will
come
up
in
our
next
council
meeting.
I
believe
right
first
meeting
in
february
february-
first,
yes,
okay,
so
look
forward
to
starting
the
year
with
mike's
evaluation
every
year
going
forward,
hopefully
for
many
years,
thanks.
D
I
Comment
on
that
part,
I
have
on
my
notes
and
it's
not
for
now
it's
for
at
least
another
year.
I
would
like
to
move
mike's
evaluation
until
june
or
july,
because
one
month
is
not
enough
time
for
new
council
members
to
evaluate
the
city
manager
to
at
least
give
them
a
little
bit
of
time.
C
I
just
want
to
bring
to
your
attention.
It
is
part
of
his
contract.
So
if
you
decide
to
do
that
in
the
future,
you
would
need
to
amend
his
contract
well
known.
B
And
if
I
could
just
make
a
quick
comment,
first
of
all
to
the
council
members
that
have
been
here
for
the
last
two
years,
thank
you
for
your
support
and
the
working
partnership.
I've
had
with
you
over
the
last
24
months
for
the
new
council
members.
Thank
you
for
being
readily
available
to
work
with
me
and
to
work
as
a
team
going
forward
and
to
all
of
the
department
directors.
B
Some
of
them
are
on
this
call.
Others
are
not
a
big
shout
out
and
thank
you
to
them,
because
my
job
would
not
be
possible
if
it
wasn't
for
the
support
that
they
give
me
at
the
top
of
each
department
that
they
oversee
so
a
big
hands,
a
big
round
of
applause,
goats
to
them
for
what
they
deal
with
on
a
daily
basis
within
their
individual
departments
and
their
ability
to
work
as
a
team.
B
Well,
if
we're
done
with
that
item,
we
will
move
into
item
number.
Two.
Thank
you.
Ann
item
number
two
is
the
community
visioning
and
mission
statement
development?
I
provided
each
of
you
not
just
a
summary
memo,
but
also
a
document
from
the
florida
institute
of
government,
along
with
the
resumes
of
the
individuals
who
would
be
helping
us
in
the
facilitation.
B
This
is
really
just
a
gut
check.
The
the
meat
in
the
meat
of
what
we're
going
to
be
doing
is
really
the
facilitators
working
with
the
council.
So
before
we
move
forward,
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
there
were
no
concerns
that
council
had
with
using
florida
institute
of
government
or
the
two
practitioners
in
particular
that
we
would
be
dealing
with.
B
And
if
you
like,
the
work
that
florida
institute
of
government
does
on
phase
one,
then
we
can
consider
continuing
that
use
of
them
for
phase
two,
which
would
be
diving
into
the
strategic
plan
which
I'm
envisioning
would
be
two
possibly
more
sessions
to
go
through
that
particular
function.
B
So
with
that,
if
any
of
you
have
questions
related
to
the
proposal
that
we
see
or
the
use
of
florida
institute
of
government
now
would
be
the
time
to
ask
it.
I
think
if
you
take
a
look
at
the
document
I
provided
for
those
of
you
that
are
not
familiar
with
florida
institute
of
government.
I
provided
what
their
mission
statement
is
for
those
who
may
be
listening
at
home.
B
The
mission
statement
of
the
john
scott
daily
florida
institute
of
government
is
to
enhance
the
capacity
of
florida
governments
to
effectively
serve
their
communities
through
education
and
training,
technical
assistance
and
apply
to
research
and
public
service.
The
institute
adheres
to
a
set
of
core
values,
including
commitment,
integrity,
quality
learning
and
balance.
B
B
And
I'm
not
seeing
any
blue
hands
raised
on
the
side.
Hopefully
all
the
new
council
members
know
that
feature
of
raising
hands,
but
I'm
not
seeing
any
hands
raised
I'll.
Take
that
as
a
consensus
to
plow
forward
with
fig
and
so
you'll
probably
see
some
emails
come
out
from
chris
wright
over
the
next
24
hours,
asking
you
for
availability
on
upcoming
saturdays
and
we
will
move
forward
from
there
fantastic.
B
B
One
of
the
things
that
we
thought
we
would
do
tonight
is
walk
you
through
a
high
level
overview
of
the
substantive
changes
to
the
proposed
ordinance.
I
believe
there
may
be
some
additional
information
to
be
provided
from
the
police
department
and
ms
jacobs.
B
B
I
believe
we
sent
out
with
the
package
a
comparison
of
the
old
to
the
new
speaking
in
terms
of
sections,
so
you
could
see
whether
sections
moved
were
unchanged
or
were
edited
in
some
form
or
potentially
even
completely
overhauled.
B
J
J
Absolutely
so,
first
of
all,
I
just
wanted
to
add
that
it's
a
pleasure
working
with
mike-
and
I
want
to
thank
the
mayor
for
allowing
me
to
have
my
office
closer
to
mike
it's.
It's
actually
helped
us
be
even
more
productive.
It's
great,
so
we're
three
feet
away
from
each
other
and
we
get
much
more
done
that
way.
But
thank
you
very
much.
So
this
is
the
micro
mobility
devices
topic
and,
as
you
know,
the
council
adopted
a
temporary
moratorium.
J
That's
in
place
for
at
least
for
12
months
from
the
point
of
adoption
or
unless
or
up
until
the
time
that's
the
council
adopts
a
permanent
ordinance.
J
So
we
took
some
steps
following
council's
direction
and
I
have
some
comments
about
the
what's
called
the
thick
or
yes,
thick
ride
contracts
and
also
I'd
like
to
share
with
you
some
of
the
research
and
conferences
and
meetings
that
we've
done
so
that
we've
had
so
far
and
then,
of
course,
most
important
part
is
getting
your
feedback
on
the
topics
and
items
that
were
listed
in
your
agenda.
Item
memorandum
tonight,
your
briefing
memorandum.
J
So,
first
let
me
just
knock
off
the
the
contracts,
real,
quick,
the
the
thick
ride
contracts
that
were
presented.
J
So
that's
the
ride,
thick
llc
company,
that's
the
supplier
to
the
only
known
vendor
that
we
have
in
town,
kurt
dewitt,
which
you
all
have
heard
from,
and
those
agreements
do
not
protect
the
city
in
any
way
that
there
is
a
release
and
hold
harmless
agreement
and
assumption
of
risk
agreement
which
the
renter
or
the
writer
would
fill
out
and
complete
and
accept
that's
going
to
going
to
essentially
protect
kurt's
company
the
vendor
and
then
also
ficride.
J
So
there
are
some
cities
that
have
each
scooter
ride,
share
type
of
programs
community
based
where
the
city
actually
generates
revenue
from
having
that
program
available
in
their
municipality,
and
it
is
a
city-promoted
business.
There's
a
contractual
relationship
in
a
proprietary
type
relationship
between
the
municipality
and
the
local
private
vendor
we're
not.
Of
course,
I
have
heard
nothing
like
that
from
council,
so
we
are
not
going
to
be
in
business
with
the
vendor.
So
therefore,
the
writer
agreement
does
nothing
to
protect
us,
because
that
relationship
does
not
exist
and
won't
exist.
J
So
those
are
the
the
thick
right
contracts.
They
don't
provide
us
with
any
protections.
The
protections
that
would
apply
to
us
are
going
to
be
the
standard,
florida
statutory
immunity
protection
that
we
would
have
for
any
other
persons.
That
may
be,
you
know,
using
a
bicycle
or
a
skateboard
or
something
like
that
in
our
car,
in
our
in
our
town.
J
So
after
the
council
adopted
the
temporary
moratorium,
I
had
a
meeting
with
our
police
department,
primarily
commander
evans
and
mr
sharp
also
chipped
in,
and
we
spoke
to
the
finance
department,
the
clerk's
office
and
planning
and
development
led
by
heather,
ireland
and
mike,
and
I
so
we
wanted
to
take
the
step
of
hearing
from
our
departments
and
having
us
all
begin,
a
collaborative
effort
as
to
how
each
one
of
those
departments
would
like
to
see
an
ordinance
in
ways
that
may
help
that
department.
J
Or
can
I
wanted
to
hear
from
those
department
staff
members
for
their
contribution
to
what
they
think
that
an
ordinance
should
have
for
the
city
of
jacksonville
beach.
We
also
had
a
meeting
with
kurt
dewitt
again,
the
only
known
renter
vendor
that
we
have
in
town,
so
that
was
a
very
fruitful
meeting
for
us.
We
learned
a
lot
about
what
kurt,
in
terms
of
the
local
vendor,
what
his
capabilities
are,
and
his
capabilities
are
pretty
pretty
broad
on
his
app.
J
The
software
program
allows
him
as
the
local
vendor
to
have
great
control
over
every
single
unit.
I
should
say
every
scooter
or
unit
that
he
gave
rent
the
areas
that
it
can
be
utilized
the
speed
control
he
can
require
the
users
to
complete
certain
documents
on
their
app
before
they're
allowed,
to
use
it
so
and
and
from
the
last
thing
that
we
heard
from
last
information
we
got
from
kurt.
Was
that
they're
going
to
be
improving
the
app?
So
he
has
even
more
control
and
that's
supposed
supposedly
coming
in
2021.
J
So
I
share
that
with
you.
Knowing
you
know,
knowing
that
we're
not
in
business
with
any
vendor
we're
not
in
business
with
kurt
dewitt,
and
we
won't
be
in
business
with
any
other
vendor
that
should
come
into
our
town.
But
apparently
the
software
is
very
capable
of
lots
of
controls
and
limitations,
and
we
should
expect
that
if
another
vendor
comes
in
that
they
they
probably
will
have
the
you
know
same
or
similar
software.
J
J
The
city
has
very
broad
regulatory
and
police
powers
over
its
traffic,
its
use
of
roadways,
and
so
you
can
keep
that
in
mind
as
you
contemplate
how
strict
you'd
like
to
see
this
ordinance,
but
we
got
a
lot
of
great
input
from
our
department
heads
and
I'm
gonna.
Let
commander
evans
speak
to
his
safety
concerns.
J
He
can
also
speak
to
the
geographical
locations
and
limitations
for
the
red
zones.
The
slow
zones,
the
go
zones
we
covered.
All
of
that
with
kurt,
so
I
felt
comfortable
leaving
the
meeting
with
kurt
that
whatever
we
feel
like
we
want
to
have
in
our
ordinance
a
vendor
is
going
to
be
able
to
be
a
successful
vendor,
carry
on
their
business
and
comply
with
our
ordinance.
J
Okay,
so
chief,
do
you
or
commander
evans
want
to.
K
J
K
J
Okay,
I'll
all
add
a
little
bit
that
commander
evans
shared
with
the
group
in
several
meetings
already.
He
has
a
high
concern
for
operation
of
the
e-scooters
going
west
of
third
street
and
in
commanders
evans
comments
in
our
in
our
several
meetings.
He
doesn't
want
them
to
go
any
further
than
the
east
sidewalk
of
3rd
street.
J
He
has
experience,
as
you
all
know,
he's
had
far
too
much
experience
with
tragic
accidents
and
incidents
of
cyclists,
pedestrians,
skateboarders
and
cars
on
third
street,
and
particularly
people
crossing
from
east
to
west
west
east
across
the
third.
So
he
made
that
point
very
strong
he'd
like
to
see
that
as
the
western,
the
western
border
of
the
zone
of
operation
from
what
we
gather
from
kurt
again
he's
the
only
vendor
we
were
available
to
us
to
speak
to.
J
He
intends
on
having
his
operations
from
our
north
border
up
to
neptune
beach,
and
if,
if
it
was
up
to
him,
he
would
go
clear
up
through
atlantic
beach,
but
as
on
our
jurisdictions,
but
he
intends
on
going
up
to
our
northern
border
and
then,
as
far
south
as
our
south
border
is-
and
he
said
quite
frankly,
he
intends
on
going
through
into
ponte
vedra
beach
in
st
john's
county.
So
terms
of
north
and
south.
J
You
know
again,
we
have
the
ability
of
restricting
the
geographical
location
of
where
these
rented
vehicles
or
scooters
could
be
operated.
We
also
have
the
ability
to
designate
red
zones
so
that
no
zone,
no
rhizome
slow
zones
and
go
zones.
The
app
enables
the
vendor
to
program
the
scooters
so
that,
if,
for
example,
the
gps
system
indicates
that
the
scooter
is
on
a
sidewalk
that
the
scooter
will
automatically
slow
down
to
a
particular
mile
per
hour
that
the
vendor
can
set
that
at.
J
So
if
the
council
should
allow
the
scooters
to
operate
on
sidewalks
and
you'd
like
for
their
speed
limit
to
be
reduced
to
seven
miles
per
hour.
Well,
he
can
program
that
so
a
vendor
a
vendor,
can
control
that
and
program
that
and
then
there
I'd
like
you
know,
I'd,
be
glad
to
answer
your
questions,
but
I,
but
it's
really
important
for
us
to
walk
through
the
some
of
the
items
that
are
on
the
memo
and
get
council's
feedback
on
those.
J
So
mike-
and
I
you
know,
those
are
seven
categories
that
are
the
some
of
the
primary
categories
that
we'd
have
to
consider
in
drafting
an
ordinance
just
so
you
know
we
also
have
researched,
maybe
a
dozen
or
more
other
cities.
We
have
information
from
clerks
offices
around
the
state
with
respect
to
some
of
the
fees
and
charges
that
they
apply
to
their
these
scooter
programs,
and
I
just
would
like
to
get
some
feedback
from
council
to
get
some
direction
on
drafting,
although
I've
already
started,
but
we're
gonna
keep
it
going.
G
Yes,
on
number
seven,
when
we
look
into
this
even
more,
how
many
businesses
are
we
allowed
if
any
business
want
to
come
in?
Are
we
going
to
have
a
max
capacity
of
like
only
two
three
businesses
is
there
again?
Are
they
going
to
be
limited
to
just
the
central
business
district
or
they're,
going
to
be
able
to
open
up
a
small
win
business
right
by,
let's
say
17th
avenue,
north
and
third
street?
Have
you
guys
thought
about
that?
G
J
Yeah
we
we
have
looked
into
it
and
it
appears
that
the
most
profitable
business
plan
again
talking
from
to
curt
and
then
doing
some
research.
It
appears
that
the
most
profitable
business
plan
for
a
vendor
is
going
to
be
having
scooters
available
at
a
central
office
where
maybe
they're
in
one
of
the
strip
malls,
for
example,
right
right,
downtown
and
then
also
to
have
their
scooters
at
various
locations
positioned
around
whatever
district.
J
That
is,
they
can
operate
in
so,
for
example,
if
if
it
was
up
to
kurt
you
know,
his
option
would
be
his
choice
would
be.
He
has
a
central
office
where
he
has
some
scooters,
and
then
he
has
nine
different
locations
throughout
the
downtown
area,
for
example
having
10
to
15
scooters
at
widths
and
maybe
20
to
25
at
every
beachfront
hotel.
J
So
that
would
be
for
council
to
decide
in
terms
of
the
number
of
locations
that
a
vendor
is
allowed
to.
Have
the
number
of
scooters
allowed
to
operate
in
our
city?
You
can
put
a
cap
on
the
number
of
operators
in
the
city,
so
you
do
have
a
lot
of
control
in
that
regard.
J
From
what
I've
seen
from
other
cities,
they
do
put
caps
on
the
overall
number
of
available
scooters
for
for
rental.
They
have
a
cap
on
the
locations
and
on
the
number
of
vendors.
So
you
that's
fernando.
You
have
a
lot
a
lot
of
leeway
there
to
work
with,
by
the
way
on
number
seven,
the
rebalancing
and
designated
parking
corrals
that
that
concept
is
the
concept
of
rebalancing
is
a
say.
J
For
example,
if
a
vendor
has
200
total
scooters
in
our
city
and
they
have
six
or
seven
locations,
if
that
that
vendor
by
their
app
will
be
messaged,
where
the
scooters
are
throughout
the
throughout
the
city.
At
any
time,
he
may
want
to
rebalance
meaning,
put
more
scooters
in
a
particular
location,
so
shift
10
from
one
location
over
to
a
location.
That
seems
to
be
depleted
of
scooters.
J
You
know
an
oceanfront
hotel
that
he'd
like
to
have
25
scooters
that
may
be
so
rented
out
that
he
sees
on
a
sunday
morning.
There's
only
two
left
well
he'll
rebalance
and
redistribute
scooters
around
town.
The
designated
parking
corrals
is
a
concept
that
I've
seen
in
my
research,
and
I
like
that
term,
because
I
can
visualize
the
designated
parking
corral
where
at
each
location
the
scooter
must
be
parked.
If
it's
going
to
be
stationary
and
not
being
used,
then
it
must
be
contained
within
a
particular
corral.
J
G
J
I
was
thinking
that
we
would
have
to
apply
some
sort
of
fine
or
you
know,
citation
based
system
if
we
find
that
bikes
or
scooters
are
being
left
unattended
for
a
long
period
of
time
on
the
public
rights
of
way
or
sidewalks.
J
I
I
can't
think
of
another
way
to
do
that,
because
you
know
I
mean,
unless
the
council
really
wanted
us
to
go
forward
with
putting
designated
parking
corrals
for
e-scooters
at
all
the
potential
places
that
our
residents
and
guests
may
patronize
that
that's
going
to
leave
us
with
a
lot
of
designated
parking
corrals
and
the
business
owners
may
not
go
for
that.
You
know
they.
May
you
may
have
a
particular
bar
or
two
that
that
that
may
not
want
to
designate
a
parking
corral.
J
That
may
be
an
area
where,
for
example,
their
customers
go
out
to
smoke,
for
example,
so
we
could
be
confronted
with
a
lot
of
problems
there,
but
I
think
we
need
to
regulate,
abandoned
or
long-term
left
scooters
on
rights
away
and
enforce
that
against
the
vendor.
Because,
again,
you
know
part
of
the
benefit
of
the
vendors
having
such
a
such
a
good,
app
and
strong
gps
system
with
abundance
of
information.
J
So
I
I
I
wouldn't
suggest
that
we
have
parking
corrals
throughout
the
city,
but
we
have
other
enforcement
mechanisms
that
put
the
responsibility
on
the
vendor
to
make
sure
they're
kept
out
of
our
right-of-way
and
our
sidewalks.
F
Yeah,
so
just
to
kind
of
piggyback
on
what
you're
already
talking
about
I'm
all
about
a
rebalancing
system,
but-
and
I
also
agree
that
there's
I
don't
know
what
that
magic
number
is.
I
think
we
do
have
to
have
enough,
because
the
problems
I
have
seen
in
other
cities
that
have
had
scooters
most
of
them
have
been
college
towns.
F
So
I
don't
know
that
we
would
have
it
to
the
level
of
degree
like
gainesville
or
one
of
them
have
it
or
tallahassee,
but
I
think
there
should
be
adequate
number
of
parking
spaces
or
parking
locations.
I
should
say
so
that
we
don't
end
up
with
the
abandonment
of
scooters
all
over
our
city
or
even
of
our
downtown
districts
wherever
we
set
those
borders
at,
and
I
don't
know
what
that
number
is,
but
I
wouldn't
like
this
I'd
rather
see
more
but
smaller,
smaller
like
that
holds.
I
don't
know
what
the
number
would
be.
F
I
know
you
mentioned
it
before.
We've
talked
about
it
before
in
other
briefings
about
the
bond,
I'm
a
big
fan
of
that.
I
think
that's
that
kind
of
puts
them
on
the
hook
of
making
sure
that
they
stay
up
to
par
with
their
business
and
they're,
not
dropping
the
ball,
and
I
really
like
at
the
end
of
number
four,
when
you
talk
about
the
city
manager,
to
render
decisions,
limited
vendors
privileges
to
operate
in
the
city,
should
they
violate
code
city
code
or
permit
requirements.
F
F
One
other
question
I
I
guess
I
have,
and
I
don't
know
if
this
falls
into
us
getting
involved
in
our
business
or
not.
But
when
you
look
at
the
software
that
that
dewitt's
using
is
that
something
that
we
could
say
well,
if
you're
going
to
come
in
here
and
operate
a
business
in
our
in
our
city,
you
have
to
use
that
software,
because
it
appears
that
you
really
like
it.
I've
seen
it
just
superficially.
F
I
don't
know
what
it
all
it
can
do,
instead
of
somebody
else
coming
in
here
and
starting
their
business
and
using
a
less
than
adequate
software,
and
you
know
and
coming
to
us
and
saying
well,
my
software
doesn't
do
that.
So
I'm
not
I'm
not
going
to
worry
about
it.
J
But
no
council
member,
I
don't
think
we
should.
You
know,
limit
a
potential
vendor
who
might
do
business
here
to
a
particular
software
program,
there's
three
or
four
that
are
competitive
three
or
four
software
programs.
Apparently
that
are
very
competitive
with
each
other.
So
I
would
venture
to
say
that
they're,
probably
so
closely
matched
and
what
services
they
provide.
I
don't
think
that
that'll
be
an
issue,
but
the
the
goal
is
that
the
vendors
comply
with
our
ordinance
and
they
need
to
come.
F
Accountability
then
there
would
probably
be
a
priority,
at
least
of
mine,
to
make
sure
that
that
we're
meeting
those
qualifications
of
a
software
that
you
know
maintains
gps
of
the
locations
and
where
the,
where
they're
being
dumped
off
at
and
and
the
I
don't
know
the
20
liability
fee.
If
you
do
jump
drop
it
off,
you
know
those
type
things.
Those
are
very
important.
K
B
And
counselor
jansen
just
to
add
on
a
little
bit
to
that.
I
think
there's
an
opportunity
here
for
the
city
to
set
the
bar
and
require
all
the
businesses
to
meet
the
standard
that
the
council
sets.
You
even
mentioned
that
I
think
the
20
fee,
which
is
what
we
we
heard.
Mr
dewitt
charges
for
people
who
abandoned
their
e-scooter
just
because
he
charges
20
to
the
user
doesn't
mean
that
that's
what
we
need
to
adopt
as
the
penalty.
B
If
any
scooter
is
found
abandoned
on
the
sidewalk
or
in
the
public
right-of-way,
we
can
make
it
a
fifty
dollar
fee
to
reclaim
the
property
and
in
turn
mr
dewitt
may
go
back
and
change
his
business
model
to
awareness
of
a
twenty
dollar
penalty.
It's
a
50
penalty
and
that
may
achieve
a
higher
rate
of
compliance
of
the
e-scooters,
making
their
way
back
into
the
appropriate
corral
or
pen
before
they're
done
with
its
use.
F
B
That's
something
that
we
would
propose
to
you,
based
on
what
we're
hearing
for
feedback
tonight.
If.
B
A
year
and
a
half
down
the
road,
obviously
the
all
of
the
business
models
could
be
changed
by
then
we
could
end
up
having
conversations
and
making
changes
to
whatever
ordinance
put
in
place.
B
We
could
end
up
with
additional
requirements.
We
could
end
up
with
fewer
requirements.
We
could
end
up
with
changes
in
the
financial
accountability
associated
with
these
types
of
businesses.
B
The
one
thing
I
keep
trying
to
stress
with
any
ordinance
that
we
bring
in
front
of
council,
is
that
the
ordinance
are
not
carved
in
stone
for
a
minimum
period
of
time.
They
should
be
considered
fluid
and
if,
at
some
point
in
time,
council
deems
an
ordinance
needs
to
be
changed,
we
bring
the
ordinance
back.
We
revisit
it.
Clearly
e-scooters
were
not
on
the
horizon
several
years
ago,
and
it's
something
that
now
a
lot
of
communities
are
dealing
with
around
the
entire
country.
B
We
may
find
that
in
three
years
time
e-scooters
aren't
the
latest
thing,
but
there's
a
new
form
of
technology.
Perhaps
they're
automated
e-scooters,
where
you
don't
even
drive
it,
it
drives
itself
and
it's
got
four
wheels.
I
don't
know,
but
we
may
end
up
bringing
it
back
at
a
later
point
in
time,
just
to
make
updates
to
what's
happening
with
technology.
It's
changing
faster
than
I
think
we
can
contemplate
at
this
point.
F
J
F
Saint
augustine
was
theirs
brought
in
front
of
council
and
they
just
decided
not
to
have
scooter.
Do
you
know.
J
Yeah,
I
believe
it
was
a
ban
on
those
types
of
devices
in
their
city.
As
you
know,
the
way
that
city
of
st
augustine
is
situated,
and
I
and
I
did
speak
to
their
city
attorney
quite
a
while
back
when
this
first
started
coming
up
and
I
got
a
copy
of
their
ordinance
in
a
description
of
why
of
what
happened
there.
But
if
I
recall
right
that
they
didn't
these
types
of
devices
were
going
to
be
banned
by
the
city,
they
do
have
similar
some
devices.
J
I
think
they
may
have
like
a
segways
where
you
can
be
toured
in
certain
locations
of
the
city
by
a
tour,
a
tour
guide,
but
my
understanding
is
that
they
are.
They
wanted
to
ban
these
in
the
city,
and
I
could
see
it
because
there's
going
to
be
some
areas
where
there,
the
pedestrian
traffic
is
so
high
in
city
of
st
augustine.
This
has
become
so
dangerous.
I
get
it
and
and
by
law.
The
current
law
on
the
books
is
that
a
municipality
can
absolutely
ban
these.
So
it's
still
legally
permissible
to
ban
it
entirely.
A
Stokes
sorry,
my
question
for
chris
is
on
six.
When
we
talk
about
maximum
number
of
vendors,
what
would
what's
our
like
lowest
threshold?
Is
it
two?
I
mean
I
don't
think
we
could
just
have
one
vendor,
because
we
obviously
curt
has
been
good
to
work
with
so
far.
But
you
know
it.
It's
the
the
fear
down
the
road.
Is
you
know
craft
the
ordinance
it's
great
with
with
kurt's
business,
and
then
you
know
lime
bird
somebody
else
tries
to
kind
of
weasel
their
way
in.
J
Again
that
that's
that's
a
policy
decision
for
all
of
you
to
make
as
a
majority,
but
you
know
we
would
want
to
take
into
consideration,
and
I'm
so
glad
that
you
started
with
number
six,
mr
stokes,
because
that
that's
the
one
that
is
most
difficult
for
me
to
get
a
grasp
on,
because
that
really
is
for
the
seven
member
body
to
to
grab
a
hold
of
how
many
up,
how
many
devices
rental
devices
do
you
want
or
see,
operating
in
your
city
in
a
particular
geographical
region.
J
The
answer
is
that
that
is
a
number
for,
for
you
guys
to
decide
for
the
council
to
decide
if
I
would
say
start
with
the
number
of
devices
the
maximum
number
of
devices
and
then
from
there
think
back
to
backwards
to
how
many
vendors
would
you
want
to
have
operating
in
your
city
and
what
is
a
fair
number
of
devices
to
allow
one
vendor
to
have
so,
for
example,
and
I'll
share
I'll
share
this
with
you
with
mr
dewitt,
by
the
way,
mr
dewitt
thanks
all
of
you
for
allowing
him
to
even
participate
in
the
limited
way
that
he
has
and
to
come.
J
Speak
to
you
he's
very
concerned
about
public
safety,
so
he
he
thanks,
you
very
much,
but
you
know
mr
dewitt's
business
model
he
at
this
point.
He
shared
an
idea,
a
concept
of
100
to
125
scooters.
J
J
But
given
that
you
know
we
on
our
summers
and
special
events,
florida,
georgia,
weekends
things
like
that,
I
mean
we're:
gonna
have
hundreds,
potentially
hundreds
and
hundreds
of
scooters
going
around
our
city
on
any
of
those
given
weekends.
You
can
put
the
cap
on
that.
You
can
put
a
limitation
on
it,
there's
going
to
be
some
enforcement
difficulties,
meaning,
for
example,
if
the
council
decides
to
have
three
vendors
max
and
500
scooters
max
operating
in
our
city.
J
Well,
it's
going
to
be
difficult
for
us
to
know
whether
van
der
bee
has
gone
from
her
200
scooters
to
220
scooters.
It's
gonna
be
so
difficult
for
us
to
know
that
we
have
to
think
of
a
way
to
monitor
and
get
reporting
from
a
vendor
and
we're
gonna
have
to
we're.
J
Gonna
have
to
have
reliance
on
the
vendors
to
be
operating
honestly
and
also
give
us
honest
information,
and
we
ask
them
for
the
number
of
scooters
that
they're
operating,
but
but
ultimately,
mr
stokes,
the
the
count
the
council
is
to
decide
the
number
of
vendors
and
the
cap
on
the
number
of
scooters.
J
A
A
Do
that
you
could
do
that
and
then
just
you
know,
to
go
to
look
at
the
chart.
I
liked
miami
tampa
and
austin's.
A
You
know
ways
of
operations
and
I
think
if,
if
you
do
do
that,
miami
and
austin
provide
the
best
way
to
kind
of
know
how
many
scooters,
because
they're
paying
for
a
device
and
obviously
you'll,
have
to
audit,
because
they
might
try
to
get
go
from
200
to
205
and
not
make
you
not
pay
for
those
extra
five,
but
at
least
when
you
have
the
you're
charging
per
unit,
and
you
know
austin's
charging
a
trip
fee.
So
then
you
know
the
usage
of
the
units
as
well.
A
So
I
liked
I
liked
those
those
systems
really.
I
liked
austin
and
miami
beach,
probably
the
most
too,
of
those
of
those
all
the
systems.
K
I
Thank
you.
I
was
just
thinking
about
what
chet
was
saying:
two
isn't
enough,
because
if
they
they
can
then
raise
their
prices
together
and
you
don't
have
option
for
another
competitor
to
enter
the
market.
So
putting
a
cap
on
the
number
of
operators
is
problematic
because
of
the
access
to
company.
You
want
to
make
sure
that
this
competition
to
keep
the
prices
low
and
the
service
is
good.
I
Conversely,
if
you
only
have
a
hundred
scooters
and
use
the
you
know,
who
gets
those
who
gets,
what
percentage
of
that
of
those
hundred
scooters,
does
one
get
50
and
then
the
other
50
have
to
be
divided
between
five
that
only
get
10
each.
That's
not
going
to
be
a
sustainable
business
model
for
those
other
companies.
So
I
think
I'm
not
saying
we
shouldn't
have
a
cap.
I
I
think
we
just
have
to
be
very
careful
and
cognizant
of
what
caps
can
do
down
the
road
to
businesses
trying
to
enter
the
marketplace
as
well
as
those
who
are
in
the
marketplace
being
able
to
become
mini
monopolies
and
take
advantage
of
our
residents
and
our
visitors.
J
Absolutely
and
that
that
coincides
with
what
councilmember
janssen
said,
which
is
that
you
know
in
his
opinion
he
would
not
he'd
prefer
not
to
see
large
numbers
at
any
of
the
scooters
at
any
one
given
location,
for
example,
20
to
30
of
them,
but
maybe
eight
to
ten.
If
we
had
four
vendors
tapped
at
80,
each
well
boy,
that
sure
seems
generous
to
me,
that
gives
them
an
opportunity
to
have
a
lot
of
scooters
at
a
lot
of
different
locations
and
still
keep
the
number
of
any
one
particular
location.
Keep
it
down.
J
Keep
in
mind
that
you
know
these
vendors
are
likely
going
to
have
to
enter
into
agreements
with
the
private
property
owners,
so
that
you
know,
for
example,
one
of
the
hotels
they're
likely
not
going
to
be
entering
into
an
agreement
with
multiple
vendors.
So
if
we
do
have
a
vendor,
you
know
mr
dewitt
has
he
has
a
jump
on
the
competition.
You
know
he
can
get
into
agreements,
obviously
with
private
owners.
J
Now,
before
any
of
his
competition
arrives,
but
ultimately
those
hotels,
they're
not
going
to
get
into
multiple
agreements
with
you
know
competitors
the
competitors
wouldn't
do
that,
but
you
know
what
something
that
the
council
needs
I
would
want
to.
You
know
want
to
look
at
is
how
many
different
locations
around
town
are
we
going
to
allow
scooters
to
be
stationed
at
because,
if
you
do,
for
example,
allow
three
vendors
in
the
city
and
just
again,
as
mr
dewitt
has
contracts
with
six
private
property
owners?
J
Well,
when
the
second
vendor
comes
in
they're
gonna
be
quickly
looking
for
six
other
spots
that
kurt
dewitt's
company
is
not
at,
and
you
know,
I
could
see
that
quickly.
The
city
would
have
many
different
locations,
so
we
could
put
a
cap
on
the
number
of
locations
that
scooters
are
allowed
to
be
at
for
any
one
particular
vendor.
J
So
you
can
help
control,
regulate
the
number
of
locations
a
little
bit
as
well,
but
I
do
agree.
I
agree.
The
competition
is
necessary
for
better
services
for
better
prices
for
users
and
guests
and
residents,
and
but
I
do
think
that
there
needs
to
be
control
on.
There
needs
to
be
a
cap
on
the
number
of
scooters.
We
allow
a
cap
on
a
number
of
vendors
and
a
cap
on
a
number
of
locations.
They're
allowed
to
operate
at
and
then
most
certainly
a
geographical
limitation.
H
Thank
you,
chris.
For
all
this
information.
This
is
really
really
good.
So,
in
line
with
what
we've
been
talking
about,
do
we
have
you
know
that
table
that
you
did
was
really
good.
As
far
as
like
giving
us
information
about
the
fees
that
some
cities
are
charging,
would
it
be
possible
to
get
more
information
about
the
caps
that
other
cities
are.
H
You
know
placing
I
mean
it
would
give
us
a
better
idea
like
how
many,
how
many,
what
are
the
caps
that
miami
beach
has
or
austin
or
whatever
I
mean,
or
if
there's
any
cities
that
are
a
similar
size
to
ours.
I
don't
know,
but
I
mean
if
we
could
get
if
we
could
get
some
of
that
information,
it
might
help
us
come
up
with
some
numbers
that
we
think
we
might
want
to
start
with.
J
Sure
I
have
all
of
the
ordinances
from
all
of
those
cities
that
are
listed
there
and
we
can
make
a
chart
a
similar
chart.
That
shows
the
number
of
vendors
and
scooters
that
that
type
of
information
and
then
I
can
distribute
it
via
email
to
the
to
the
council
and
then
at
another
public
meeting.
You
could
discuss
that
with
all.
We
could
all
discuss
it
if
you'd
like.
H
And
then
another
question
I
had
you
know
it
sounds
like
the
apps
are
really
great
or
you
know
getting
a
lot
of
functionality,
and
I
know
one
of
the
big
concerns
that
you
had
expressed
at
the
city
council
meeting
was
some
of
the
safety
issues
like
with
people.
H
You
know
more
than
one
person
riding
a
a
scooter
or
you
know
not
wearing
helmets,
and
that
sort
of
thing-
and
I
haven't
heard
anything
about
the
helmets.
So
is
that
something
that
at
the
location
where
they
would
rent
the
scooters,
they
would
be
able
to
get
a
helmet
or
there
as
well
and
then
also
as
far
as
like
multiple
people
riding
the
scooters.
Do
the
apps
have
the
capability
to
detect
that
you
know
that
I
mean
because
I
know
they
have
weight
limits.
H
J
Right
so
so
far
from
what
I've
found
out
is
that
no,
the
app
would
not
be
able
to
indicate
or
be
able
to
receive
information
about
how
many
writers
are
on
there,
but
for
getting
information
to
the
writer.
The
app
again
the
vendor
can
program,
along
with
its
supplier,
can
program
the
app
to
require
the
user
to
go
through
pages
of
information
or
screens
of
information
or
slides
of
information
that
instructs
or
advises
or
recommends
certain
bits
of
information.
J
For
example,
the
vendor
could
have
on
paid
on
the
very
first
page
when
the
person
pulls
up
the
app
and
elects
to
rent
the
scooter.
The
first
warning
could,
for
example,
be
helmets
wearing
helmets
while
operating
the
scooter
strongly
suggested,
and
if
you
do
not
have
a
helmet,
then
a
helmet
is
available
at
our
main
station
or
pre
press
this
button
and
a
helmet
will
be
brought
to
you
again.
J
This
is
information
that
we've
learned
so
far
and
mr
dewitt
backed
that
up
saying
the
software
could
provide
him
with
that
with
that
that
information
that
he
can
bring
helmets
to
someone
they
can
regulate,
they
can
regulate
to
some
limited
extent.
The
users
and
they're
looking
at
potentially
getting
driver's
license
information
so
that
their
age
can
be
confirmed
so
that
no
people
under
the
age
18
are
allowed
to
use
them.
J
If
there's
two
people
that
weigh
125
pounds
each
on
that
scooter,
but
that
kind
of
bleeds
into
now
our
police
regulatory
requirements
so
that,
if
our
ordinance
says
you
know,
two
people
may
not
ride
it
at
one
time
or
anyone
under
the
age
of
18
may
not
ride
a
scooter,
rent
or
ride
a
scooter,
then
you
know
our
police
force
is
going
gonna
have
to
give
that
a
thought,
and
you
know,
as
commander
evans
said,
it's
gonna
be
hard
for
him
to
tell
if
someone's
17
or
18,
but
he
sure
knows
when
someone's
12
and
he'll
he'll
take
care
of
it.
J
You
know
him
and
his
officers
take
care
of
that
at
that
time.
But
no
the
app
has
some
limitations.
Obviously,
but
it
does
some
have
some
capabilities,
but
it's
a
very
user-oriented
app,
meaning
that
the
vendor
can
program
the
app
to
send
certain
information
and
require
the
user
to
acknowledge
and
accept
and
get
to
the
next
page
acknowledge
and
accept.
So
at
least
the
information
has
been
provided
to
that
user
safe
operation.
J
The
geographic
mapping
needs
to
be
provided
so
that
those
users
know
where
to
go.
Slow
and
no
zones
are
the
limitations
on
weight
age,
only
one
user.
At
a
time.
It's
going
to
be
that
sort
of
program
where
it's
going
to
be
user,
based
user
will
be
checking
off
those
pages.
And
then,
if
someone
violates
those
and
it
gets
into
some
of
the
violations
of
our
ordinance,
then
our
law,
enforcement's
gonna,
have
to
enforce
our
ordinance
against
them
and.
J
B
J
I
I
You
know
it
could
be,
is
it
all
of
miami
or
is
it
in
two
blocks
of
miami?
That
kind
of
a
thing,
so
I
just
need
that
kind
of
a
variable
included.
J
Absolutely,
and-
and
that
is
actually
a
good
starting
point-
is
the
geographical
location,
where
council
would
authorize
these
to
be
utilized.
That's
an
important
determination
that
council
has
to
make
and
part
of
its
draft
in
our
preparations
ordinance.
What
is
the
reason
that
you
will
allow
these
to
be
operated.
A
Stokes,
I
I
personally,
I
muted
yes,
I
I
like
the
suggestion
from
commander
evans
that
we
limit
them
east
of
third
for
the
public
rentals
I
feel
like
we
should
use
the
same
standard
as
where
we
permit
bikes
for
the
geographical
areas
of
use,
obviously
not
on
the
boardwalk.
A
I
don't
think
we
really
want
these
things
running
on
the
sidewalks.
I
worry
about
pedestrian
traffic
on
the
sidewalks.
A
We
don't
usually
permit
biking
on
the
sidewalk,
so
I
worry
about
that
kind
of
for
the
same
reason,
even
with
the
speed
control,
but
if
they're
confined
to
like
bike
lanes
those
kind
of
things
I
don't
feel
like
these.
These
devices
would
interfere
with
bike
traffic
in
bike
lanes.
F
I'm
I'm
good
with
what
mark
was
suggesting
to
a
certain
extent.
I
think
the
problem
we
might
run
into
with
the
restricting
it
to
just
the
east
side
of
third
street
is
what
what
is
that?
What
does
that
start?
F
What
starts
happening
if
we
have
parking
spots
for
the
scooters
on
third
street
somewhere
in
strategic
locations
like
for
an
example
right
there,
where,
where
mellow,
mushroom
and
salt
life
is,
I
can
see
scooter
riders
wanting
to
get
across
the
street
to
go
over
to
the
pizza
place
or
the
sushi
place
north
or
even
pick
your
pick,
your
poison,
anything
that's
on
the
west
side
of
third
street,
I
would
almost
be
inclined
to
said
rather
have
regulation
in
place
and
let
it
be
limited
to
forestry,
or
you
know,
or
the
businesses
on
third
street
than
people
trying
to
do
a
work
around
and
to
get
to
those
businesses.
J
J
H
To
follow
up
on
what
chet
and
dan
both
said,
I
would
I
agree
with
chet
not
on
the
boardwalk:
don't
want
them
on
the
sidewalk
and
east
of
third
street.
I
think
we
start
out
with
east
of
third
street.
If
somebody
wants
to
go
across
third
street,
then
they
can
park,
they
can
leave
it.
H
You
know
somewhere
on
the
east
side
of
third
and
hopefully
use
one
of
our
safe
pedestrian
crosswalks
to
get
across
the
street
to
to
one
of
the
businesses
on
the
west
side,
and
we
start
out
with
that
and
then,
if
we
see
that
there's
you
know
a
need
to
make
any
changes,
then
we
could
do
that.
A
Counselor
stokes,
I
think
that's
a
a
great
thought
to
to
start
chris
with
the
geo
fencing
could
could
we
just
just
so
we
can
kind
of
par
bridge
both
of
our
thoughts
with
councilmember
janssen.
Could
we
have
specific
crosswalks
that
they
could
use
in
the
geo
fencing
like
if
we
said
you
can
only
cross
at
beach
boulevard,
because
it's
very
well
lit?
A
Is
that
possible
in
the
geo
fencing
just
for
down
the
road
if
we're
to
enable
going
across?
Third,
I
like
the
idea
right
now
of
limiting
it
at
third,
but
if
we
are
to
ex
you
know,
expand
it
further
down
the
road.
Would
that
be
a
possibility.
J
Yeah
so
far,
I
haven't
heard
that
we
can
do
that
to
set
that
at
a
particular
or
require
them
to
set
that
at
a
particular
intersection
that
I
don't
recall
that
being
an
option.
B
That's
something
we'd
have
to
follow
up
with
with
the
vendors
with
regards
to
the
technology.
Clearly,
video
fencing
is
capable.
The
question
is
how
how
much
can
you
focus
the
the
range
station
so
to
speak?
So,
for
instance,
when
we
were
talking
with
mr
dewitt,
one
of
his
concerns
with
setting
the
boundary
on
the
east
side
of
third
street
is
that
it's
going
to
be
plus
or
minus
some
distance.
B
It's
not
going
to
be
a
defined
line
right
on
the
back
of
the
sidewalk,
and
the
units
will
start
to
decelerate
as
you
approach
that
zone
and
he
obviously
had
a
concern
of
you
know
having
a
person
start
to
go
across
a1a
and
then
have
the
scooter
lock
up.
So
he'd
want
to
make
sure
that
the
boundary
is
set
far
enough
east
that
it
never
gets
to
the
point
of
someone
getting
five
or
ten
feet
out
into
a
lane
before
the
the
scooter
just
blocks
out,
but
clearly,
I
think
councilor
stokes.
B
That's
certainly
something
that
we
can
take
a
look
at
down
the
road.
I
think
the
concern
right
now
is
people
trying
to
go
across
roughshod
in
different
locations,
but
clearly,
as
we
think,
about
an
urban
trail
system
and
starting
to
use
alternative
modes
of
transportation
in
other
areas
of
the
city.
Certainly
there
are
going
to
be
areas.
We
want
people
to
cross
a1a
on
bikes
and
as
pedestrians
and
there's
a
possibility
that
that
would
expand
to
other
forms
of
mobility
as
well.
A
I
Thanks
the
so
before
you
guys
were
saying
that
you
know
you
could
slow
it
down
on
a
sidewalk,
you
can
make
it
not
do
things,
and
you
just
said
that.
It's
not
that
precise,
which
one
is
it
because
that
really
matters
as
to
how
these
things
will
be
written.
K
J
Yeah,
absolutely
no,
I
mean
what
we've
learned
so
far
is
that
the
software
allows
for
the
bike
to
automatically
be
the
mile
per
hour
to
be
reduced
but
gradually,
and
it
can
detect.
Apparently,
when
it's
on
based
on
the
way
it's
been
geo,
mapped
it
can
detect
when
it's
on
a
road
that's
permissible
or
when
it's
crossed
over
into
a
sidewalk
or
a
zone
where
it
has
to
go
slower
or
not
operate
at
all.
J
I
And
we're
talking
about
this
geocoding
that,
like
it's
very
precise
and
it's
not
anybody
who's
used
a
run,
app
have
seen
that
they've.
If
you're
running
on
the
beach
you're
running
in
the
ocean,
I've
run
through
people's
houses
and
that
part's
kind
of
concerning.
So
when
we
are
working
on
this
ordinance,
we
really
have
to
be
very
specific
about
so
the
boardwalk's
kind
of
easy.
When
I
run
on
the
boardwalk
I've,
always
just
kind
of
I've
usually
been
on
the
boardwalk
other
than
that.
I
I
J
Sorry,
one
thing
that
commander
evans
mentioned
was
that
was
was
that
miss
dumont
was
that
you
know
he's
he's
concerned
about
even
someone
approaching
in
a
slower
mode
towards
third
he's
very
cautious.
You
know
he's
he's
seen
the
most
tragic
events.
He
made
that
point
now
and
he's
seen
the
most
tragic
events
and
accidents
on
third
street
and
he's
just
even
concerned
about
people.
You
know
scooter
users
are
approaching
going
west
heading
towards
third
in
a
slow
speed.
He
I
said
I
don't
even
want
him
near
third
street
because
he's
seen
too
many
deaths
of.
B
And
chris
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
when
we
were
talking
to
mr
dewitt,
one
of
the
things
he
indicated
was,
while
the
geo
fencing
is
not
exact,
you
may
have
situations
where
someone
is
driving
on
the
street
at
say,
15
miles
an
hour
on
the
e-scooter,
and
then
they
try
to
jump
up
on
a
sidewalk
and
what
they
might
find
is
the
the
scooter
does
a
slow
down
from
15
to
5
and
tries
to
cut
out
at
a
certain
point
in
time
based
on
which
side
of
the
sidewalk
they're
on
and
that
would
become
very
frustrating
to
people
to
use
the
device
in
that
manner
of
traveling
at
five
miles
an
hour
on
a
sidewalk
when
they
know
they've
been
15
if
they're
in
the
street.
B
J
Yeah
and
then
you
know,
keep
in
mind
that,
in
order
to
place
these
scooters
at
these
various
corrals
they're
going
to
have
to
come
off
of
our
city
streets
and
go
on
to
private
property
and
perhaps
cross
public,
right-of-way
and
or
sidewalks
up
driveways,
for
example,
I'm
picturing
the
hotels
and
get
into
parking
lots
and
then
up
into
the
corral
where
the
corral
is
not
going
to
be
on
public
property.
Of
course,
the
corral
is
going
to
be
on
that
private
property
that
private
property.
J
So
there's
going
to
be
some
times
when
the
user
is
going
to
have
to
push
and
just
move
that
it
move
it
along
by
pushing
it,
but
not
by
operating
and
driving
it,
and
then
they
can
only
begin
operating
it.
When
they're
on
the
road
and
then
on
some
occasions,
it's
going
to
cease
operation
when
they
get
off
the
road
to
go
to
these
various
corrals.
A
Stokes,
all
right,
so
the
last
last
one
we
really
haven't
hit
is
the
times
of
use,
and
if
there
is
a
concern
about
using
these
devices
late
in
the
evening,
you
know
time
of
day
during
special
events,
is
it
possible
to
have
an
adjusted
either
geo
mapping
or
adjusted
speed
based
on
time
so
say
after
11
pm
you
can't
go
west
of
second
or
after
11
pm.
They
all
go
down
from
15
to
10
miles
per
hour.
Is
that
a
possibility
or
is
it
a
strict?
A
You
know
after
you
know,
it's
a.
K
J
Yeah,
I
I
don't.
I
don't
recall
kurt
sharing
that
sort
of
level
of
precision
in
terms
of
the
hours
and
times
of
use,
but
he
did
mention
that
you
know
come
say,
for
example,
11
pm
he
can
make
all
of
the
devices
inoperable,
but
I
don't
recall
us
talking
about
being
able
to
reduce.
You
know
on
a
given
hour,
the
capability,
its
maximum
speed
capability,
for
example.
J
I
think
that
it
might
get
very
confusing
for
users
if
we
change
the
geographical
locations
by
hour.
You
know
so
you
may
have
a
very
innocent
user
using
it
at
9,
00
pm
and
they
think
that
they're
following
the
law,
they're
doing
the
right
thing
and
then
suddenly
at
9
59
to
10
o'clock,
everything
changed
on
them,
they're
still
trying
to
follow
the
law,
but
suddenly
something
changed.
J
In
fact,
I
think
he
even
has
the
capability
of
pushing
the
app
and
making
one
just
inoperable
altogether.
So
he
has
a
lot
of
control
times
of
use.
There
were
some
discussions
of
times
of
use
with
mr
dewitt.
You
know
again
from
his
perspective
as
the
only
vendor
in
town.
He
had
some
concepts
and
ideas
about
people
wanting
to
ride
them
to
dinner,
have
dinner
at
the
restaurants
and
then
be
able
to
at
least
ride
them
back.
So
you
know
that
he
looks
at
hours
like
10
p.m
or
11
p.m.
I
I
What
is
it
coming
up
at
the
time
that
designates
when
a
scooter
is
abandoned,
so
how
long
a
scooter
can
sit
on
a
sidewalk
or
wherever
it
is
so
to
go
out
for
dinner
or
go
out
shopping
and
then
go
to
another
shop,
and
so
we'd
need
to
regulate
the
time
frame
that
the
scooter
is
just.
I
I
guess
sitting
there
without
a
new
user
coming
by
so
the
the
operator
the
vendor
come
by
and
scoot
up
pick
up
the
scooter,
while
the
people
are
inside
having
their
well
the
extra
glass
of
wine
that
they
probably
shouldn't
have
had,
which
over
knocked
the
time
that
they
now
lose
the
scooter
when
they
go
out
of
the
restaurant.
The
operators
already
picked
up
the
scooter
and
you
know
put
it
back
in
the
bin,
and
now
you
have
people
without
any
scooters
available.
So
what
is
that
time
frame?
And
how
do
you?
J
Right,
yeah,
that's
another
one
of
those
difficult
weird
calls
on
this
on
this
very
new
issue
we
have.
Mr
dewitt
gave
an
example
of
a
scooter
that
was
rented
for
quite
a
long
time.
The
user
he's
again
on
his
app.
He
noticed
that
that
scooter
had
been
stationary
for
30
minutes
or
even
a
little
bit
more
than
30
minutes.
He
sent
a
message
through
the
app
to
the
user.
You
realize
that
your
scooter
has
been
stationary
in
front
of
you
know
one
two
three
first
street
for
33
minutes.
J
Are
you
done
using
this
scooter
or
you
intend
on
bringing
it
back
and
then
the
the
user
text
messages
or
messaged
him
back
on
the
app?
No
I'm
done
using
it,
and
you
know
so.
He
gets
a
message
from
kurt.
Well,
I'm
going
to
come
pick
it
up
and
charge
you
twenty
dollars
great,
come
pick
it
up
and
charge
me
twenty
dollars.
It's
a
there's,
a
lot
of
variables
and
situations
that
it's
gonna.
You
know
we'll
do
our
best
to
craft
the
ordinance
to
try
to
cover
all
of
these.
J
B
Council
want
to
address
your
question
about
parking
at
establishments
where
you
may
be
for
a
period
of
time.
One
of
the
things
we've
looked
at
and
with
regards
to
the
I
think
it's
number
seven
with
the
with
the
reallocation
of
the
units
is
that
the
the
vendors
may
end
up
striking
agreements
with
a
multitude
of
private
property
owners
whereby
someone
going
to
the
establishment
would
put
the
scooter
in
the
appropriate
location
on
the
property
to
show
that
it's
now
off
of
the
right-of-way.
It's
on
private
property,
they're
still
tracking
it
by
gps.
B
But
they
know
that
when
people
go
to
that
establishment,
they
usually
take
anywhere
from
one
to
two
hours
before
they
reactivate
the
unit.
So
a
great
example
would
be
a
restaurant.
If
someone
were
going
out
to
eat
when
they
pull
up
to
the
restaurant,
the
expectation
might
be
that
the
vendor
has
the
equivalent
of
a
corral
on
the
private
property
that
can
hold
somewhere
in
the
neighborhood
of
20
to
30
scooters,
and
that
this
is
where
people
would
place
the
scooter.
G
I
I
D
Thank
you.
That
was,
I
mean
exactly
where
my
head
was.
You
know
I've
done
the
limes
I've
done
like
city
bikes
in
new
york,
where
you
take
it
out
of
the
rack,
for
I
think
it's
like
20
minutes
and
then
you
have
to
go
put
it
back
in
and
check
it
in
at
another,
but
they
have
them
everywhere.
So
it
works
out
and
then
the
limes,
you
just
leave
them
and
you
check
out
and
it
stops
charging
you.
D
So
I
feel
like
we're
kind
of
mixing
models,
because
if
you're
going
to
rent
a
scooter
for
a
couple
hours,
then
this
doesn't
really
work,
because
there
wouldn't
really
be
that
incentive
to
go,
find
like
city
bike
to
go,
find
the
check-in,
because
you
have
to
put
your
bike
back
in
to
stop
the
clock
on
it,
but
if
they
had
enough
corrals-
and
this
is
where
mr
dewitt
will
definitely
have
an
advantage-
if
you
have
enough
crowds-
even
if
you're
not
going
to
restaurant
a
but
it's
across
the
street
from
hotel
b,
then
you
can
just
go:
go
park
it
over
there.
D
But
I
still
think
that
there's
some
more
of
the
business
model
that
we
have
to
take
into
account,
because
this
isn't
going
to
be
the
same
as
as
what
most
of
the
other
scooters
we're
seeing
in
other
communities
are
the
other.
I'm
also
not
sure
I
can
see
why
we
want
to
do
apples
to
apples
on
how
many
scooters
are
in
each
of
the
example
towns.
But
that
seems
like
a
lot
of
work
that
I'm.
D
D
You
know
huge
nightlife
and
restaurant
bar
business,
so
I
don't
necessarily
know
that
that's
gonna
provide
value
and
then
the
other
item
we've
talked
about
east-west
and
I
completely
agree
with
keeping
keeping
it
east
of
third,
especially
as
we
start
out,
but
we
haven't
talked
north-south
and
I
think
north
to
the
city.
D
Boundary
works
great
because
we
do
have
hotels
all
the
way
up
there
but
south.
Once
you
get
south
of
huguenot
park,
you're,
not
first
second,
third
street
anymore,
and
it's
distinctly
more
residential
there.
So
so
I
don't
know
if
we
would
want
to
go
south
to
the
county
line
at
that
point,
since
it
gets
it's
not
not
quite
the
grid
system
as
much
as
it
is
up
in
the
northern
part
of
town.
So
just
my
two
cents.
J
So
we
may
see
people
snowbirds,
for
example,
come
in
or
guests
that
come
in
for
months
at
a
time
or
people
that
come
into
their
units
and
their
condos
oceanfront
and
they
rent
bikes
and
surfboards
and
things
from
him
for
an
entire
summer.
Well,
they
may
do
they
may
very
well
make
an
arrangement
with
him
as
well
to
rent
scooters
once
they're
available
for
the
entire
you
know
winter
or
entire
summer.
So
that's
a
separate
category.
J
A
I
think
of
the
corrals
kind
of
similar
to
bike
racks.
Would
we
as
a
city
for
would
we
as
a
city,
consider
putting
a
corral
zone
or
somewhere
for
some
of
these
businesses,
like,
I
think
it
was
maybe
councillor
dumont
who
mentioned
that
some
of
these
businesses
in
downtown
don't
have
private
property
enough
to
put
these
scooters
so
like,
for
example,
v
pizza
or
like
lynch
is
right
there
there's
that
public.
The
bike
rack
is
across
the
street
on
city
of
jax
beach
property.
A
Would
we
consider
putting
a
corral
there,
so
is
it
kind
of
there's
going
to
be
city
corrals?
Is
that
a
possibility,
or
is
that
something
we
don't
want
to
explore?
Or
should
we
explore
that
to
help
some
of
these
businesses,
you
know
attract
scooters
and
also
keeping
them
off
the
right-of-way.
B
B
Like
chris,
do
you
feel
you
got
enough
input
from
council
to
start
putting
pen
to
paper.
J
B
J
A
folder
with
lots
of
good
research
that
we've
gathered
and
we're
going
to
continue
working,
we'll
come
up
with
something
this
council
will
have
a
particular
plan
for
us
moving
forward,
I
mean,
would
you
like
for
us
to
have
another
briefing
after
perhaps
you
have
some
more
time
to
look
up.
Look
at
some
of
this
on
your
own
I'll,
provide
you
with
the
update
on
the
chart
of
the
caps
and
numbers
of
devices
and
vendors
and
scooters
from
some
of
those
other
cities
which
way
do
we
go
with
this?
J
G
I
I
personally
like
to
see
a
draft
just
to
see
where,
where
the
city
stands
and
if
there's
any
more
corrections
that
we
can
make
to
it,
we
move
forward
or
if
there's
anything
else,
we
need
to
add,
for
example,
if
let's
say
a
year
from
now,
when
the
orange
is
passed,
and
we
said
we
put
a
max
of
three
businesses
and
a
hundred
scooters,
if
we
could
revisit
okay,
we're
able
to
handle
more
scooters
or
no,
we
can't
handle
any
more
scooters,
we're
going
to
leave
it
as
that.
G
That's
just
what
I
was
thinking:
okay,.
F
Yeah,
I'm
not
to
belabor
the
plan.
Just.
I
think
that
an
initial
draft
at
a
briefing
would
be
nice
that
way
we
can
openly
talk
about
it
and
then
kind
of
move
forward,
instead
of
put
it
in
front
of
a
council
meeting
at
this
point.
B
That
takes
us
into
our
final
item
tonight,
which
is
chapter
5
animal
code.
Chris,
do
you
want
me
to
just
turn
it
over
to
you
or
since
I've
already
talked
enough
on
this
topic
tonight,.
J
B
K
J
And
a
big
thank
you
to
riley,
as
you
all
know,
and
I've
mentioned
it
before
in
our
meetings-
riley
has
a
very
difficult
job.
I
always
mention
that
that
it
takes
a
heart
of
gold
and
she's
the
perfect
person
for
that
job.
I
don't
know
how
she
does
it.
Not
only
does
she
do
that
job,
but
she
also
contributes
a
lot
to
the
research
and
drafting
and
the
writing
as
long
as
and
as
well
as
tanya.
J
So
a
big
thank
you
to
the
whole
team
for
working
on
this,
so
we
prepared
the
ordinance
and
that
was
submitted
for
council's
review,
but
we
didn't
get
past
the
first
reading
and
we
essentially
tabled
it
postponed.
It
deferred
it
for
more
opportunity
to
research
and
made
allow
council
to
make
contributions
to
it
and
comments
on
it.
J
So
the
the
briefing
item
had
the
ordinance
attached
and
this
briefing
is
the
opportunity
for
the
council
as
a
body
to
give
their
opinions
on
the
ordinance
and
changes
revisions,
amendments
what
you'd
like
to
see-
and
I
know
that
this
is
a
very
large
ordinance.
This
was
a
big
overhaul.
J
Almost
I
guess
it
was
a
full
full
repeal
and
replacement.
So
there
are
a
lot
of
elements
to
it
and
a
lot
of
information.
J
J
Riley
gets
big
credit
for
working
on
the
comparison
chart
and
she
can
also,
of
course,
walk
us
through
any
of
that
and
remember
that
the
the
purpose
of
re-drafting
this
really
stemmed
from
the
needs
that
our
animal
control
department
and
animal
control
officers
have
in
the
field
and
in
performing
their
duties
and
their
functions
so
that
that
was
the
main
motivation
behind
it.
J
Also
that
it
happened
to
be
very
outdated
and
it
didn't
provide
everything
that
our
police
department
needed
and
riley
and
tanya
were
aware
of
more
modern
provisions
and
other
animal
codes,
and
so
we
all
worked
on
that
together
to
bring
their
their
code
the
one
that
they
operate
in
up
to
speed
and
more
modernized
for
them.
J
There
were
other
topics
that
we
needed
to
address
more
thoroughly,
and
we
did
that
one,
of
course,
being
definitions
and
the
definitions
weren't
accurate,
very
adequately,
provided
we
provided
much
more
definitions,
but
there's
been
a
lot
of
changes.
The
comparison
chart
will
show
you
that
you'll
be
glad
to
listen
to
council
and
again
riley-
and
I
are
here
gp's
here-
I
don't
think
tanya
is
on,
but
rightly
there.
E
J
K
B
Here
we
go,
you
should
have
all
received
an
email
about
a
week
ago
on
the
19th
councillor,
golding
had
provided
some
supplemental
information,
some
of
her
comments
and
thoughts
with
regards
to
the
animal
ordinance
recognizing
that
the
council
can't
have
a
conversation
outside
of
the
sunshine,
but
recognizing
she
had
also
participated
quite
heavily
in
duval
county's,
animal
ordinance.
B
She
and
I
had
a
conversation
and
thought
it
would
behoove
everyone
if
she
condensed
her
thoughts
down
to
the
two
summary
pages
and
she
provided
the
backup
information
as
to
questions
and
or
areas
that
that
she
had
some
some
comments
on.
So
this
way,
each
of
the
council
members
would
have
an
opportunity
to
see
it
in
advance
of
having
a
conversation.
B
J
That's
right,
and
then,
lastly,
mike
the
the
final
bit
of
information
that
you
were
provided
was
essentially
the
leash
law
comparison
chart.
So
the
leash
law
chart
considers
atlantic
beach,
neptune,
beach
and
us
in
terms
of
leash
law
for
dogs
in
general,
in
at
large,
in
the
public
and
dogs
on
beach,
and
so
I
needed
to
get
some
direction
from
you
on
that
as
well.
I
Thank
you
on
section
5-27,
the
second
paragraph
you
note
that
authorized
personnel
performing
their
duties
required
may
ask
if
a
purported
service
door
dog
is
required
because
of
a
disability
and
what
work
or
task
the
dog
has
been
trained
to
perform.
E
F
So,
on
the
very
last
chart,
let
me
say
this:
I
like
to
see
the
continuity
between
neptune,
beach
and
ourselves
and
or
all
the
beaches.
Quite
frankly
that
way,
there's
no
distinction
in
the
sand
if
you
will,
but
on
that
very
very
last
chart
that's
kind
of
comparing
the
cities.
F
E
F
E
H
Thank
you,
so
I
apologize
that
I
had
so
many
questions
and
suggestions,
but
as
mike
as
mike
said,
this
is
an
area,
that's
really
important
to
me
and
it's
something
that
I've
been
involved
with
for
quite
some
time.
So
I
would
like
to
at
least
get
some
answers
to
some
of
the
questions
that
I
had
could
would.
Would
the
council
members
be
fine
if
we
walk
through
some
of
these
questions
that
I
had
in
the
the
memo
that
I
sent
out?
H
I
I
guess
my
question
is:
why
are
we,
including
that
my
concern
being
that
the
the
whole
purpose
for
the
pet
sale,
ordinance
that
we
did
back
in
2015
was
to
try
to
address
the
problem
with
puppy
mill,
breeders
and
puppies
coming
from
breeders?
And
so
I
might
my
concern
would
be
that
if
we
have
something
in
there,
that's
that
that
mentions
an
individual
that
that
could
cross
the
line
and
kind
of
in
california.
E
The
main
reason
for
me,
including
that
that
included,
for
example,
pit
sisters
and
mayport
cats
beforehand,
they
used
to
be
just
a
single
person
that
would
rescue
and
re-home
animals
and
re-adopt
out
the
animals.
We
can
definitely
add
language
in
there
that
prohibits
any
type
of
breeding
when
it
comes
to
that.
But
I'd
like
to
keep
that
in
there
just
for
those
type
of
people
that
are
trying
to
start
out
a
business,
but
maybe
don't
have
a
name
yet
they
definitely
help
us.
H
Yeah
I
would
like
to
see
that
prohibition
on
breeding-
and
I
think
some
other
cities
did
that
as
well.
So
I
think
you
could
probably
look
at
some
of
the
definitions
that
other
cities
have
done
and
you
could
see
how
they
included
that
the
cruelty
definition
I
was
looking
and
we
don't
reference
florida
statute,
828
and
but
I,
but
I
know
atlantic
beach
and
neptune
beach
did
so.
H
E
That's
what
that
whole
chapter
was
based
on
was
actually
based
on
the
florida
state
statute.
We
just
kind
of
condensed
it
a
little
bit
for
more
of
what
we
use
in
our
city,
not
the
chapter
as
a
whole,
because
it's
a
very
large
chapter,
we
can
always
add
that
we
did
write
it
based
off
of
that
chapter,
just
reference
it
a
little
bit
in
case.
Somebody
wanted
to
go
more
in
depth
and
read
on
it,
but
it's
not
necessarily
needed.
E
H
Atlanta,
beach
and
neptune
beach,
their
definition
is
just
super
simple
and
it,
but
it
just
adds
the
reference
to
the
florida
statute.
So
you
could
look
at
that
and
just
see
what
they've
done
we
might
want
to
do
the
same,
and
I
was
wondering
about
the
the
purpose
of
the
hundred
dollar
fine
for
a
dog
or
cat
in
heat.
E
That
I'm
not
sure
I'm
not
the
finance
person,
but
our
main
person
for
our
main
reason
for
adding
that
fine
is
just
because
it
is
an
emergency
type
situation.
E
H
H
The
reason
I
ask
is
because
I
know
the
city
of
jacksonville
had
an
increase
fine,
but
that's
because
they
put
that
money
into
a
trust
fund
that
they
use
to
spay
and
neuter
pets
that
come
into
their
shelter.
And
so
I
didn't
know
if,
if
we
had
that
increased
fine,
and
we
have
intentions
to
use
that
money
in
a
similar
way,
perhaps.
E
Yeah,
I
was
going
to
say
that
that
is
not
something
up
to
me.
I
believe
that
was
put
in
there
just
because
it
was
written
similar
to
jacksonville's,
but
that
is
solely
up
to
you
guys.
That
is
not
a
decision
for
me
to
make,
because
I
know
that
we
don't
spay
nude
or
in-house,
but
jacksonville
definitely
does
and
they
need
the
type
of
money
for
that.
Okay,.
H
The
next
one
would
be
a
529
person,
spitting
by
dogs
or
cats.
We
reference
the
city
health
officer,
but
I'm
not
sure
who
is
who
would
be?
Who
would
be
that
person.
E
Our
city,
health
officer
is
actually
robert
burke.
He
works
for
the
entirety
of
duval
county.
I
didn't
want
to
put
his
name
in
there
just
because
that
position
does
change
from
year
to
year.
H
County,
it's
duvall
county,
okay
got
it
okay.
Should
it
be
duvall,
county,
public
health
officer,
then
maybe
just
because
I
I
guess
it
to
me.
It
made
me
think
it
was
a
jax
beach,
health
officer.
So
I
wasn't.
H
And
then
my
second
note
we
said
we
did
not
include
cat
in
the
testing
for
if
a
person's
bitten,
so
I
would
just
recommend
that
we
add
cat.
A
Can
I
talk
about
this
one
real,
quick
just
because
I
want
to
thank
you
first
off
for
this
convinced
thing,
but
later
on
you
mentioned
that
ferrets
are
required
to
have
rabies
vaccinations
so
and
in
section
two
it
talks
about
an
any
animal
suspected
of
being
infected.
So
why
would
we
be
so
specific
on
cats
and
dogs
and
just
rewrite
the
whole
language
of
section
529,
for
a
person
being
bitten
by
an
animal
or
a
domesticated
animal
to
include
ferrets
and
cats.
E
H
Okay,
yeah,
I
think
that's
great
great
suggestion.
Chet
the
next
item:
5
30,
on
dangerous
dogs.
I
shared
the
imla,
the
international
municipal
lawyers,
association
model
ordinance
for
dangerous
dogs,
which
the
reason
why
I'm
asking
that
we
consider
adding
the
potentially
dangerous
dog
designation
is
because
you
know
I
feel
like
our
florida.
Dangerous
dog
law
is
a
good
law,
but
I
feel
like
that.
H
There's
opportunity
to
be
a
little
more
proactive
and
if
we
have
a
situation
where
a
dog
does
something
that
doesn't
rise
to
the
level
of
dangerous
dog,
but
it
is
something
that
that
could
lead
to
something
more
serious.
You
know
later
that
if
we
had
a
potentially
dangerous
dog
designation,
it
would
give
us
the
opportunity
to
address
behaviors
that
are
concerning
before
it
gets
to
a
really
bad.
E
Yes,
okay,
so
my
main
reason
for
this.
This
would
probably
be
something
that's
really
good
for
jacksonville,
not
necessarily
for
us
we're
a
very
small
city,
and
with
that
most
of
my
bite
reports
are
all
in
person.
None
of
mine
are
over
the
phone
or
over
the
internet,
as
jacksonville
would
do,
but
with
the
opportunity
for
me
to
do
everything
in
person,
I'm
able
to
educate
almost
every
dog
owner
just
so
that
their
dog
doesn't
become
dangerous
as
to
what
they
should
do
for
behavior
correction
or
why
it
happened
in
the
first
place.
E
If
we
can
keep
this
from
happening
again,
that's
pretty
much
why
we
only
have
one
dangerous
dog
in
our
city
right
now.
A
lot
of
people
come
into
compliance
very
quickly
when
you
give
them
education
and
show
them
how
to
fix,
rather
than
yell
at
them,
and
continue
to
write
citations.
So
it
would
be
definitely
a
good
thing
for
jacksonville,
maybe
bigger
cities,
but
for
us
I
don't
see
it
being
an
issue
or
see
it
ever
being
a
necessity
for
us
to
have
that.
H
Well,
I
I
appreciate
what
that
you
do
that
riley,
I
think
that's.
That
is
exactly
what
needs
to
be
done
and,
and
I'm
I'm
so
glad
that
you
do
that,
because
you
are
being
proactive
by
doing
that.
My
concern
would
be,
though,
that
this
is
an
ordinance
that
we
hope
will
be
a
lasting
ordinance
for
a
while.
I
mean
we
obviously
didn't
change
this
for
many
many
years,
but
when
you're-
not
here,
we
may
not
have
someone
who
is
is
quite
as
proactive
as
you,
and
so
I
I
just
feel
it
would
be.
H
H
The
next
comment
I
had
was
about
the
exemptions
for
police,
canines
and
service
dogs.
That
was
something
that
both
atlantic
beach
and
neptune
beach
had
in
their
code,
but
we
don't
have
in
our
code,
so
I
I
would
like
to
suggest
that
we
add
that
in
there
it's
something
that
is
in
state
statute,
but.
E
H
That,
okay,
wonderful
section
538
the
the
defecation
disposal,
so
it
later
in
the
or
I
guess
actually
sorry
in
524
there's
mention
about
an
affidavit
so
could
could
an
adult
witness,
because
this
happens
a
lot.
You
know
I'm
at
the
beach,
and
I
see
somebody
who
lets
their
dog
poop
on
the
beach
and
they
don't
pick
it
up.
I
mean
could
based
on
what
we
have
in
524
for
a
could
somebody
like
sign
an
affidavit
and
could
an
owner
who
doesn't
pick
up
after
their
dog.
E
Think
that
that's
something
that
can
definitely
happen
most
of
the
time
I
ask
for
two
just
so
that
there
is
no
discrepancy
as
to
whether
or
not
this
happened
or
not,
and
the
neighbor
just
mad
at
the
other
neighbor
and
wants
to
write
an
affidavit
on
him.
We
usually
like
to
get
two
and
if
there's
video
footage,
we
like
the
video
footage
even
better,
because
that's
a
lot
more
clear
and
you
can
tell
exactly
who
the
person
is
and
what
time
that
they
were
there.
H
A
Before
before
we
go
off,
5
38
sorry
go
ahead,
would
would
it
be
prudent
to
move
533,
2
and
3
to
section
538.
E
One
of
those
is
actually
just
for
nuisance
purposes
say
this
is
a
recurring
thing
that
happens
more
often
than
it.
It
wasn't
just
a
one-time
thing.
For
example,
the
neighbor
just
lets
his
dog
go
out
almost
every
single
day
and
lets
him
defecate
on
his
property.
That
allows
us
to
have
a
higher
fine
in
that
section
than
it
does,
and
the
other
section
works
just
for
the
disposal
reasons.
A
Okay,
the
other
one
is
on
the
defecation
disposal
538.
Would
we
is
that
one
where
we
would
consider
changing
the
individual
dog
language
to
animal,
because
I've
seen
other
animals
besides
dogs
on
the
beach
and
I've
seen
other
animals?
Besides
dogs
defecate
on
the
beach,
and
so
it
seems
like
we
don't
we
only
have
it.
E
Right
most
of
these
are
just
for
dogs,
because,
most
of
the
time
you
don't
see
a
cat
on
a
leash
walking
around
out
on
the
beach.
I
H
E
I
know
that
euron
have
at
least
dogs
and
horses
other
than
that.
I'm
not
quite
sure.
I
don't
know.
If
there's
an
exact
that
says,
nothing
else
is
allowed
on
the
beach,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day,
if
somebody
brings
their
cat
and
it's
on
a
leash
out
onto
the
beach,
I'm
I'm
not
gonna
cite
him
for
it.
So.
I
J
K
H
H
E
H
Okay,
perfect,
the
reason.
The
reason
why
I
asked
about
that
was
because
there
was
an
issue
in
jacksonville
and
that's
the
point
of
my
comment
after
that
regarding
veterinary
care,
because
there
there
are-
and
I've
actually
seen
it
for
myself
and
you
probably
have
to
when
a
dog
is
chemically
captured.
They
an
aco,
can't
necessarily
know
how
much
of
the
of
the
medication
to
actually
give
that
animal,
and
there
have
been
dogs
that
were
running,
of
course,
and
in
florida
in
the
heat
when
they
are
when
they
are
chemically
captured.
H
They
can
go
into
medical
distress
because
of
the
the
amount
of
medication
that
they've
they've
gotten
and
their
physical
state,
because
of
running
and
in
the
heat.
So
the
issue
with
jacksonville
was
that
there
needed
to
be
veterinary
care,
provided
so
I
would
just
you
know.
H
My
thought
would
be
that
if
we
have
anything
about
chemical
capture
in
our
ordinance
that
there
be
something
about
veterinary
care,
also
for
any
animal
that
we
chemically
capture-
or
you
know
something
to
make
sure
that
that
we
don't
have
a
situation
where
and
in
this
particular
case
the
dog
died
in
jacksonville.
H
So
I
I
just
wanted
to
mention
that
for
you
to
consider
and
then
also
in
that
same
section,
we
have
in
the
we
have
in
there
the
statement
that
the
animals
shall
be
picked
up,
and
I
I
wanted
and
this
I
know
this
wasn't
in
my
notes,
but
I
came
across
this
after
I
sent
out
the
notes,
but
do
you
do
any
return
to
owner
in
the
field
riley
like,
for
example,
if
you
find
a
dog
and
then
you
know
where
it
belongs,
you
just
go
ahead
and
return
it
to
the
owner,
or
do
you
have
to
impound
it?
E
H
And
so
I
guess
to
my
point
that
I
mentioned
before
about
in
the
future
when
riley
jacobs
is
not
our
aco
but
somebody
else's,
I
I
would
suggest
that
we
change
the
language
that
in
that
in
539
and
I'm
trying
to
find
where
it
is
exactly.
But
it
says
something
about
shall
be
picked
up
to
maybe
picked
up
so
that
that
an
officer
you
know,
has
the
option
to
not
necessarily
impound
the
animal,
but
could
do
exactly
what
you
do.
H
K
H
E
I
think
that
was
our
way
of
trying
to
make
it
similar
to
the
other
two
beaches,
because
they
do
not
include
the
beach
in
theirs,
but
they
also
did
not
say
specifically
that
they
don't
include
the
beach
in
theirs.
So
we
just
kind
of
did
that
as
an
extra
precaution
just
because
there
is
a
whole
entire
section
for
the
beach,
but
we
can
always
take
that
out,
but
at
the
same
time
it
doesn't
do
any
good,
nor
does
it
do
any
bad
having
it
there.
It's.
H
I
just
I
guess
my
concern
is
as
a
citizen
if
I
read
that
that
tells
me
that
my
dog
can
be
off
leash
on
the
beach,
because
it's
excluded
so
for
clarity,
I
would
say
that
I
would
suggest
that
we
don't
have
excluding
the
beach
in
there.
That's
just
my
that's
my
suggestion.
I
then
okay,
the
requirement
for
sales
of
dogs
and
cats.
This
is
an
area
that
this
is
an
area
that
I
really
want
us
to
be
really
careful,
because
I
you
know
I'm
concerned
about
I'm
concerned
about
opening
any
loopholes.
H
You
know
we've
got
a
we.
I
I
feel
like
we
had
a
good
ordinance
when
we
passed
it
in
2015..
So
I
guess
my
question.
My
first
question
was:
why
did
we
change
this
from
what
was
passed
in
2015.
E
The
only
reason
these
were
changed
is
because
they
were
updated
to
match
the
other
two
beaches
areas.
They
have
almost
the
exact
same
thing
as
we
do
with
a
slight
change
in
some
of
the
wording,
so
I
wanted
to
go
off
of
what
they
had
and
just
make
sure
that
it's
all
updated
as
a
whole.
A
lot
of
it
wasn't
changed.
We
just
kind
of
added,
more
definitions
and
just
maybe
changed
a
couple
of
the
ordinances,
but
I
didn't
want
to
super
overhaul
this
area,
just
since
it
was
just
redone.
H
If
we
just
if
we,
if
we
go
with
what
you've,
what
you've
done,
I
would
like
to
see
that
the
542-1a
includes
pet
dealer
in
the
prohibition
of
pet
sales,
because
the
pet
dealer,
you
know,
is
somebody
that
sells
that
sells
animals,
and
so
we
had
that
in
the
original,
for
a
reason,
because
we
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we
didn't
have
you
know
breeders
allowed
to
sell
animals,
you
know
so
I
would,
I
would
just
add,
add
in
what
we
had
in
our
previous
code
with
the
pet
dealer
in
there.
H
In
that
sense,
yeah,
that's
fine
and
the
exemption
for
animal
hospitals.
I
guess
I'm
not
sure
that
that
you
see
my
comment.
I
don't
know
if
it's
necessary
since
I'm
not,
I
don't
know
if
they
would
actually
meet
the
definition
of
of
a
pet
store.
So
I
just
didn't
know
if
we
really
needed
to
have
that
prohibition
or
the
exemption.
I'm
sorry.
E
H
And
then
the
prohibition
of
retail
sale
in
public
places
like
yard
sales
or
parking
lots
or
parks,
that's
something
that
I've
seen.
Other
cities
have
have
included
in
their
ordinance
and
I
think
that
it
could
be
important
because
they
may
not.
You
know.
Yes,
we
don't
want
them
for
being
sold
in
pet
stores,
but
we
probably
don't
want
them
being
sold
in
parking
lots
or
parks
either.
H
E
H
E
E
Okay,
yeah,
okay,
then
yeah.
I
don't
think
that
would
be
much
of
an
issue.
Then
my
only
issue
was
would
that
exclude
adoption
events
and
if
it
doesn't,
then
then.
H
H
H
48
hours
before
you
could
consider
an
animal
abandoned
and
if
they
are
left
in
a
home,
that's
empty,
which
we
know
this
has
happened
because
several
years
ago,
when
I
was
volunteering
at
the
shelter
there
was
a
dog
that
was
there
because
it
had
been
abandoned
in
in
a
home
here
in
jacks
beach,
and
so
my
concern
would
be
waiting.
48
hours
is
potentially
too
long
to
wait
if
the
animal
is
not
in
good
shape
because
they've
been
there,
you
know-
and
you
don't
know
exactly
how
long
they've
actually
been
there.
E
So
I
kind
of
agree
with
you
on
this
one.
This
was
actually
initially
written
to
say
it
was
up
to
the
officer's
discretion
and
one
of
the
previous
board
members
asked
that
we
added
the
48
hour
notice
on
there.
So
I
say
it's
up
to
you
guys
now
I
don't
believe
he's
on
the
board
anymore
so,
but
he
asked
that
we
had
added
that
because
he
didn't
think
that
anything
under
48
hours
would
be
deemed
an
emergency
situation
where
we
would
need
to
remove
the
animal.
C
E
J
It
was
another
council
member,
but
also,
I
think
mr
nichols
also
agreed
with
that
council
member.
But
anyhow
I
I
don't
have
a
problem
if
we
leave
it
with
the
discretion
of
the
officer
to
determine
and
that
give
that
doesn't
put
any
time
limitation
on
the
officer.
The
officer
is
the
most
qualified
in
the
field
to
make
that
determination
anyway,
yeah.
E
H
I
I
totally
agree
because
I
I
just
I
would
hate
to
think
that
you
would
your
hands
would
be
tied,
riley
and
you
couldn't
do
anything
and
a
dog
is
in
distress
or
whatever
you
know
right,
and
then
I
also
wanted
to
ask
you
based
on
the
way
our
code
is
written.
You
know
if
we,
if
we
return
any
community
cats
after
they've
been
tnr'd.
E
Code,
I
don't
think
it
is
because
community
cats
are
feral
cats,
they're
not
owned
by
anyone.
So
there's
no
way
that
someone
could
abandon
it,
because
no
one
has
ownership
of
that
animal.
I
Can
I
jump
in
there
really
quick
since
we're
on
this
topic
instead
of
waiting?
Do
you
mind
sandy
no
go
right
ahead?
Okay,
so
in
the
I
don't
have
the
notes,
but
I
was
reading
about
the
animals
and
who's
considered
the
owner.
It's
the
individual
who,
like
it,
can
be
an
outdoor
cat,
but
if
you're
always
feeding
the
outdoor
cat,
it's
kind
of
considered
your
cat
a
lot
of
these
feral
cats.
You
have
people
who
are
just
always
feeding
them
and
why
aren't
they
not
considered
the
owners
of
these?
I
E
And
that's
a
problem
that
I
come
in
contact
with
almost
every
single
day,
because
there
are
people
that
want
us
to
pick
up
animals
and
provide
vet
care
for
them.
But
then
they
also
admit
to
me
that
this
animal
lives
on
their
property
doesn't
go
anywhere
else
and
it
comes
inside
at
night
and
so
well,
technically,
it's
a
feral
cat,
but
at
the
same
time
it
also
is
your
cat.
I
E
It's
it's
a
very
gray
area
and
it's
something
that's
very
difficult
for
me
to
handle,
but
I'm
still
I'm
very
open
to
options
for
that.
K
I
No,
no
I'm
not
saying
we
should
my
neighbor
up
the
street.
He
it's.
We
call
the
cat's
spice
and
we
just
assume
it's
his
cat,
but
he
never
goes
inside,
hangs
out
in
my
backyard
and
on
the
furniture.
It's
just
that
slippery.
I
wouldn't
want
to
say
that
nobody
can
feed
them,
because
once
you
do
that
who
feral
cats
are
often
people
put
food
out
for
their
feral
cats,
like
groups
go
in
to
the
feral
cat
colony
and
give
them
food?
I
wouldn't
want
to
ixnay
that.
H
I
Yeah,
the
owner
is,
if
they
they
spend
time
on
your
property
or,
if
you
feed
them
or
like
they,
they
come
around.
Often
spice
is
always
here,
and
sometimes
I
give
her
some
food
and
some
water
and
such
but
she's,
not
our
cat.
She
just
hangs
out
here,
but
she
hangs
out
next
door
and
in
the
house
next
door,
she's
a
well-fed.
I
H
Okay,
so
should
I
move
on
all
right
section:
543
tethering,
attended
tethering
legislation
from
jacksonville
as
well,
and
also
I
shared
that
there
is
right
now
this
year
there
is
movement
to
have
attended
tethering
past
as
a
state
law.
H
H
E
H
Okay,
cruelty
to
animals
544
for
a
I,
I
really
appreciate
the
fact
that
you
added
the
tethering
in
too
low
two
or
more
locations.
If
a
dog
is
going
to
be
carried
in
the
back
of
a
truck
a
bed
of
a
truck,
I
found
another
ordinance
that
also
adds
that
they
and-
and
I
realized
that
maybe-
and
maybe
ours
is
okay-
and
maybe
the
way
it's
written-
you
you
think
it's
it's
fine,
but
I
thought
we
could
add.
H
E
I
wouldn't
mind
adding
that
my
only
concern
is
that
there's
it's
very
difficult
to
enforce,
because
some
people
may
think
that
something's
a
very
well
ventilated
cage
when
you
think
about
there's
no
wind
in
the
back
of
a
in
the
bed
of
a
truck.
So
how
is
that
actually?
Well
ventilated
they're
kind
of
just
baking
in
an
oven
underneath
the
sun
on
hot
days?
E
H
H
H
In
546
impounding
of
animals,
I
just
had
a
question
about
feral
cats
that
are
temporarily
temporarily
sheltered
for
tnr.
You
are,
you
are
doing
that
right.
I
mean
yes,.
E
So
this
section
is
mainly
for
a
lot
of
people
like
to
call
and
ask
why
can't
we
pick
up
raccoons,
we
have
nowhere
to
take
raccoons.
I
have
nowhere
to
hold
raccoons,
they
would
shred
through
the
bars
like
it
was
almost
nothing
to
them.
This
is
mainly
for
that
reason,
and
also
for
the
reason
of
people
wanting
us
to
pick
up
animals
after
they've
been
tnr'd.
E
H
Could
we
could
we
put
like
a
some
exception
language
in
there?
That
just
says
this
excludes
cats
that
are
part
of
the
community
cat
program
or
cats
that
are.
Are
you
know
being
tnr'd,
perhaps
just
because
I
I
mean,
if
you're
not
there
again,
riley,
that's
my
thing.
H
H
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we
make
sure
that
that
your
animal
control
officers
continue
the
good
work
that
you're
doing
five
four,
oh
fernando
did
you
have
something
that
you
wanted
to
add
in
or
you
want
to
add
in
I
mean
you're,
muted,.
G
H
Okay,
okay,
I
didn't
know
if
you
needed
something
on
this.
Okay
owner
surrenders,
it's
just
a
technicality
but
jcps
is
is
no
kill
now,
and
so
I
just
don't
know
that
we
really
need
to
put
that
language
in
there
about
them
being
a
kill
shelter.
H
H
Well,
they.
I
know
that,
for
the
last
several
years,
their
annual
save
rate
has
been
over
90
percent.
I
think
one
year
they
did
drop
down
below
90
to
like
88,
but
I
I
guess
my
thought
is:
I
don't
know
that,
having
anything
in
there
about
whether
they're
a
kill,
shelter
or
not,
is
I
don't
know
if
it
if
it's
necessary
that
we
have
that
in
there.
E
The
only
reason
I
put
that
in
there
is
because
jacksonville
requires
that
we
tell
people,
even
if
it's
not
in
paperwork,
that
they
are
still
technically
a
kill
shelter
just
so
that
they
know
hey.
This
animal
may
be
put
down
and
most
likely
won't
be,
but
we
still
have
to
tell
them
that
that
is
an
option
that
may
happen
if
they
choose
to
surrender
their
animal
so
that
they
don't
assume
that
they're
going
to
see
their
animal
on
the
website.
Two
weeks
from
now
up
for
adoption,.
E
So
this
is
actually
copied
from
neptune
beaches,
because
we've
been
working
with
them
and
also
surrounding
rescues
to
actually
start
adopting
through
us,
instead
of
having
to
take
everything,
downtown
and
swamping
their
shelter.
So
if
we
require
this
at
the
time
of
owner
surrender,
we
can
use
that
money
to
take
it
to
the
vets
to
have
them
actually
spay
and
neuter
for
us,
and
then
we
can
re-adopt
out
from
here.
Instead
of
taking
it
downtown
to
be
stuck
in
the
shelter
without
with
way
less
publicity.
H
Wonderful,
I
love
it.
Thank
you.
I
love
it.
Okay,
conditions
preventing
redemption,
it's
it's!
It's
just
wording,
but
I
I
I
mentioned
before
I
would
prefer
to
see
us
say,
may
be
expeditious,
expeditiously,
inhumanely,
euthanized
versus
shall
so
that
gives
you
discretion
depending
on
the
you
know.
I
know
that
some
illnesses.
I
know
you
said
that
some
animals
can
survive
those
illnesses.
Some
of
them.
E
E
So
if
we
take
an
animal
to
the
vet's
office-
and
we
know
that
this
person
wants
the
animal
back
and
it
says-
may
be
redeemed
and
the
veterinary
decides
that
it
will,
it
has
to
be
put
down.
Then
in
that
case
the
animal
would
not
be
redeemed
because
we
would
have
to
euthanize
it.
H
And
I
guess
my
point
is
that
if
the
owner
would
like
to
get
the
animal
back
and
treat
it
at
you
know,
then
I
I
would
like
to.
I
would
like
to
know
that
they
would
have
the
option.
I
guess
I'm
just
thinking
if,
if
my,
if
my
dog
ended
up
in
the
shelter-
and
you
know
I
and
it
and
it
was
determined
to
have
parvo,
I
would
like
to
have
the
opportunity
to
treat
it
myself
as
opposed
to
the
show
it
being
euthanized,
because
a
vet
says
it
has
parvo,
and
you
know.
E
K
H
Jamie
is
coming
to
add
her
two
cents.
Okay,
I
again.
My
point
is,
I
just
feel
like
I
just
feel
like.
May
I
I
prefer
may
and
that's
that's
that's
where
I
stand
on-
that
the
rabies
certificate
chad
already
brought
up
since
the
ferrets
are
required
to
have
rabies
vaccinations.
Can
we
add
that
ferrets
need
to
provide?
I
mean
that
owners
of
ferrets
need
to
provide
proof
of
rabies.
Vaccination
as
well.
E
H
Okay,
and
and
also
atlantic
beach
and
neptune
beach
provide
exemptions
for
animals
that
cannot
be
vaccinated
due
to
health
reasons.
Can
we
include
that
language
that
that
either
of
those
cities
have
as
well.
E
Yes,
I
completely
forgot
to
add
that,
but
something
definitely
want
to
add
in
there.
H
E
Okay,
I
don't
think
it
was
written
to
prohibit
that,
but
it's
I
mean
we
can
change
it
if
we
need
to
because
we
do
at
home
corn
teams
within
our
city.
We
don't
always
keep
it
at
the
kennel
if
we
can
help
it
just
because
it
just
traumatizes
the
animal
more
than
it
has
to
yeah,
but
I
don't
think
it
blocks
it.
But
if
it
does,
we
can
go
back
and
reread
it
make
sure
that
it
doesn't.
H
And
maybe
it
just
I
mean,
maybe
if
it
just
includes
some
language
that
that
just
says
that
that
maybe
at
the
aco's
discretion
at
home,
quarantine
is
permitted
or
whatever.
Just
because,
if
you're
not
there
again,
you
know
I
want.
I
want
that
to
be
an
option
and
then
the
rabies
quarantine
period.
I
know
we
stated
in
the
definitions
or
somewhere
earlier
in
the
chapter
that
the
rabies
quarantine
is
10
days,
but
here
it
says
14
days.
So
could
we
change
it
to
10.
E
Yes,
I
think
that
was
our
error,
that
it
wasn't
updated
properly
as
to
what
it
was
before,
but
as
of
right
now
in
duval
county
it
is
10
days,
so
it
needs
to
all
match
together
within
10
days,.
H
And
then
the
last
thing
pet
limit.
I
know
we've
got
our
pet
limit
in
the
land
development
code
and
maybe
chris
you
can
explain
why
why
the
pet
limit
is
in
the
land
development
code,
because
I
know
that's
so
confusing,
and
I
mean
I
I
would
have
thought
that
that
would
have
been
in
the
animal
code
and
then.
Secondly,
why
do
we
have
a
pet
limit?
H
I
know
atlantic
beach
and
neptune
beach
don't
require,
don't
specify
a
pet
limit,
nor
does
jacksonville,
and
I
want
to
put
that
out
there
that
that
if
we
want
to
that,
we
should
consider
being
consistent
with
our
neighboring
communities.
J
I'd
like
to
move
the
pet
limit
out
of
land
development
code
and
put
it
into
our
animal
code.
H
J
Okay,
did
she
give
you
a
specific
section
number.
F
I
think
a
former
board
of
adjustment
position.
I
think
the
reason
why
I
was
in
the
land
development
code
was
for
veterinarian
services
boarding,
because
we've
had
a
couple
of
businesses
that
applied
for
variances
to
be
built
for
boarding,
and
there
was
another
animal
related
business.
I
can't
remember
what
it
was
early
on
in
board
of
adjustments,
and
I
think
I
think
that's
that's
the
only
reason
I
could
come
up
that
I
was
in
the
land
development
code
just
for
right
actually.
J
Thank
you,
council.
That
makes
that
makes
perfect
sense
because
it
is
under
accessory
uses
so
that
that
actually.
H
K
J
Oh
boy,
that
that's
yup,
we
sure
do
so
yeah
we'll
look
at
that.
We'll
look
at
392
number
two
under
household
pets
under
lbc.
H
And
thank
you
thank
you,
fellow
council
members
for
humoring
me
and
as
we
go
through
all
of
this,
but
as
chris
said,
this
is
a
pretty
major
rewrite
and
I
do
appreciate
all
the
work
that
you
all
have
done,
especially
you
riley
and
all
the
work
that
you
continue
to
do.
You're
doing
great
you're
doing
great
work,
and
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
for
a
lot
of
this,
I
want
to
make
sure
future
officers
continue
to
do
what
you're
doing.
Thank
you.
G
Yeah,
no
just
one
question:
I
know
I
sent
an
email
right
after
we
had
this.
I
think
it
was
a
briefing
of
the
council
meeting
about
the
the
misrepresentation
of
the
service
animals
and
I
know
it.
G
It
happens
all
the
time
that
some
of
these
businesses
were
are
we
were
we
were
we
able
to
mimic
the
ordinance
that
jacksonville
just
passed.
E
E
Our
main
reason
for
putting
this
in
is
not
only
for
our
businesses,
but
mostly
for
people
on
the
beach
a
lot
of
people,
especially
during
the
off
hours
during
the
summer
time,
when
they
know
they're
not
allowed
to
have
pets
out
there
will
slap
a
vest
on
and
say
hey.
This
is
a
service
dog,
even
though
the
dog's
running
around
not
helping
any
type
of
person
whatsoever,
but
we
have
nothing
against
it.
That
says
they
can't
be
there.
So
it's
very
hard
to
enforce.
J
But
we,
mr
madison,
we
do
still
have,
I
believe,
the
intention,
which
is
that
we
do
have
penalties
there
and
punishment
enforceable
punishment
with
respect
to
someone
who
knowingly
misrepresents
the
dog
as
being
a
service
dog.
Is
that
what
you
were
concerned
about
as
being
the
main
purpose.
G
Yeah,
just
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
people
are
not
taking
advantage
of
going
online
and
getting
these
permits
paid,
20,
bucks
or
whatever
it
is,
and
then
they're
going
out
to
the
beach
like
she
was
saying
or
to
these
businesses,
and
it
just
undermines
actual
real
service
dogs
that
are
people
actually
using.
That
needs
to
help
and
it
doesn't.
It
doesn't
help
that
cause,
and
you
know,
when
you
get
someone
that
actually
has
a
real
service
dog
that
was
trained.
G
J
Yeah,
we,
I
think
ours
is
in
there
and
I
don't
think
our
officers
confront
that
too
often,
but
also
this
this.
I
think
the
way
we
have
it
drafted
it
enables
them
to
have
broad
discretion
on
how
to
handle
the
particular
situation
and
investigate
the
situation,
and
then,
if
they
find
that
there
has
been
a
misuse
or
misrepresentation
they
can
they
can
prosecute
it.
K
J
K
E
G
I
was
reading
the
I
went
on
the
website
and
I
was
reading
that
some
emotional
support
dogs
weren't
considered
actual
service
animals.
I
just
can't
remember
the
section
of
it.
Yeah.
E
Yeah
no
esa's
are
considered
service
animals
unless
they
went
through
the
proper
service
animal
class.
To
get
that
certification,
normal
esa's
are
just
the
20-minute
online
class.
You
go
to
you
get
a
sticker.
That
says
you
can
take
your
animal
on
a
plane
with
you.
So
that's
completely
different
than
a
service
dog
certification.
K
J
We
can
add
some
language
there.
We've
talked
about
that
in
the
past.
During
our
drafting
of
this
in
several
forms,
we'll
look
into
adding
more
language.
There.
A
J
A
So
I
I
kind
of
wanted
to
to
sorry
my
dog's
piping
up
right
now
kind
of
wanted
to
see
why
we're
changing
from
16
feet
to
eight
feet
and
if
what
the
reasoning
is
and
then
okay,
I
can
follow
up.
If
there's
follow-up.
J
J
J
We
came
to
an
eight
because
mike
and
I
talked
about
it
and
we
put
it
for
we're,
putting
it
forward
to
council
to
see
if
that's
what
would
be
suitable
and
for
a
council
to
make
the
determination
of
what
length
leash
you
do
want
and
that's
why
mike
came
up
with
the
brilliant
idea
of
having
a
chart
that
provides
you
with
atlantic
beach
and
neptune
beach,
and
for
you
to
tell
us
what
to
do,
but
we
did
change
it
from
16
to
8.
16
seemed
very
long
and
I'll.
J
Just
let
you
know
that
riley
and
tanya
put
together
a
great
video.
I
know
it's
been
a
long
night.
We
don't
have
to
show
it,
but
a
great
video
that
showed
the
8
foot,
a
12
foot
and
a
16
foot
leash
distance.
The
16
foot
leash
was
quite
long
and
could
be
very
difficult.
Almost
I
don't
know
how
a
owner
could
control
a
dog
from
16
feet
away
on
a
on
a
leash,
so
we
suggested
we're
reducing
it
by
half
and
that
brought
us
to
eight.
J
But
quite
frankly,
the
as
the
chart
shows
you
know,
that's
not
necessarily
consistent
with
our
neighbors
and
council
member
jansen
commented
that
he'd
like
to
see
us
consistent
with
our
neighbors.
Understandably,
I
get
that
and
we
need
council
to
provide
us
with
direction
on
that.
So
right
now,
atlantic
beach
is
at
a
12
foot,
leash
maximum,
but
they,
the
dog,
may
be
allowed
to
swim
unleashed
in
the
water,
but
immediately
after
swimming
must
be
put
back
on
the
leash
and
neptune.
J
Beach
requires
a
12
foot,
leash,
controlled
and
at
all
times
on
the
leash,
and
then,
of
course,
we've
changed
ours
from
16
to
8,
but
we've
also
allowed
for
the
dog
to
swim
unleashed
by
the
after
immediately
after
swimming
must
be
re-tethered
up
re-bleached.
So
we
need
council
to
tell
us
if
you
want
us
to
remain
consistent
with
our
neighbors
at
12
feet
if
you'd
like
to
keep
it
at
16
feet
or,
if
you'd
like
to
reduce
it
to
something
else
lower.
Perhaps
eight.
A
Well,
since
I
asked
the
question,
I,
like
the
12
feet,
not
the
eight
feet
as
a
dog
who
likes
as
an
owner
with
a
dog
who
likes
to
run
eight
feet
is
not
a
lot,
but
a
16
is,
to
your
point,
very
difficult
to
control
a
dog
who
likes
to
run.
So
I
think
they,
I
think
the
12
feet.
A
Consistency
is
good
and
then
I
do
really
like
the
dog
and
the
water,
because
I
know
when
I
go
out
to
the
beach
and
you
see
the
dogs
in
the
water
they're
all
having
a
great
time-
and
you
know
it's
impossible
to
be.
Leashed-
have
a
leash
with
your
dog
running
in
the
water.
So
I
vote
for
the
12
feet.
In
you
know,
I
like
the
adding
the
dog
in
the
water
provision.
J
H
Yeah
I,
as
a
dog
owner
I,
I
walk
my
dog
on
a
six
foot
leash
and
I
definitely
don't
support
the
16
foot.
That's
for
sure,
because
there's
just
there's
no
way
that
somebody
can
control
it.
I
you
know,
I
don't
think
eight
feet
is,
I
don't
think
eight
feet
is
as
bad
to
require
people
to
have
their
dog
on
an
eight-foot
leash.
I
understand
the
consistency
with
neptune,
beach
and
atlantic
beach,
but
I
mean
I
would
love
to
see
the
video.
G
I
don't
have
any
animals,
so
I
am
going
to
base
my
decision
on
my
fellow
colleagues
here
and
take
it
from
there
and
the
video.
I
Can
I
just
before
we
go
further,
we
have
to
think
about
what
the
purpose
of
the
leash
length
is.
Is
it
for
the
dog's
pleasure
or
is
it
for
the
safety
of
the
individuals
who
around
the
person
who's
on
the
other
side
of
that
leash,
and
I
think
it's
the
latter.
I
love
seeing
happy
dogs
running
around
and
all
that
stuff,
but
the
whole
purpose
of
the
length
is
to
protect
people
who
are
by
the
person
with
the
dog
I've
been
in
runs.
It
was
a
chariot
safer.
I
I
think
it
was
the
first
year
the
chariots
of
fur.
It
was
the
worst
run.
I've
ever
had
because
everybody
had
these
long
leashes
and
I
kept
tripping
over
them.
I
had
no
dog,
I
had
no
dog
in
the
race,
but-
and
so
I,
if
we're
looking
at
the
beach-
and
so
is
the
video
just
like,
is
there
some
kind
of
a
a
thing,
a
thing
there
that
could
really
denote
like
how
close
people
would
be
at
the
beach
and
what
eight
foot
12
foot
16
foot
leash?
I
How
that
would
impact
other
people
since
we're
talking
about
the
beach?
That's
how
I'm
looking
at
this,
so
I'm
more
towards
the
eight
foot
allowed
off
in
the
water
back
on
as
soon
as
out
of
the
water.
But
that's
just
that's
kind
of
how
I'm
looking
at
it,
because
it's
really
for
the
safety
of
the
individual,
not
for
the
fun
of
the
dog.
F
A
K
E
J
E
Yeah,
that's
fine!
This
is
a
very
well-trained
dog
that
we
have.
This
is
actually
our
chiefs
dog
bella.
She
does
very
well
on
a
leash,
no
matter
what
the
length
is.
So
it's
very
it's
not
it's
not
too
hard
for
them.
If
it
was
a
busy
situation,
she'd
easily
be
able
to
call
her
dog
back
to
her
with
no
issues
there.
E
When
you
give
them
the
12
foot
opportunity,
they
will
go
out
and
buy
the
extension
leashes,
which
most
of
those
are
a
minimum
of
16
feet.
Most
of
them
don't
come
in
12
feet.
So
when
you
require
eight,
there's
a
less
likely
chance
that
they're
going
to
have
those
type
of
leashes
and
they're
going
to
let
the
dog
go
out
further
than
they
should.
E
E
So
it's
very
circumstantial
and
I
think
it'd
very
well
benefit
us
if
we
went
down
to
eight
feet,
whether
I
know
it's
not
like
the
other
two
beaches,
but
at
the
same
time,
they're,
mostly
private
properties
and
mostly
residential
areas.
Whereas
we
have
a
lot
of
touristy
areas,
a
lot
of
hotels,
a
lot
of
people
coming
from
out
of
town
that
don't
really
maintain
proper
control
of
their
dogs,
like
the
other
two
beaches,
do
on
a
regular
basis.
E
I
K
B
K
K
H
I
I
agree
as
well.
I
think
riley
brings
up
really
great
points.
We
are
the
place
where
all
the
visitors
go
and
we
have
so
many
people
on
the
beach.
If
I,
if
I
go
to
neptune
beach,
it's
never
as
busy
as
jacksonville
beach
or
atlantic
or
as
jacksonville
beach
is
atlantic.
Beach
doesn't
have
the
public
parking
that
we
have.
H
Neptune
beach
doesn't
have
the
public
parking
we
have,
and
I
I
really
I
you
know
like
I
said
I
want
my
dog
on
a
six-foot
leash
and
I
think
eight
feet
is
definitely
controllable,
but
I
think
if
you
start
getting
longer
than
that,
it's
it
is
a
public
safety
issue.
So
I'm
eight
feet-
and
I
agree
with
in
the
water
off
leash,
but
have
to
be
leashed
immediately
out
of
the
water.
J
Well,
I
appreciate
that
that's
already
four
council
members
that
have
expressed
eight
and
that's
the
way
it's
currently
drafted.
So
I
respect
mr
jansen's
position
that
you
know
it's
nice
to
kind
of
keep
it
consistent
with
all
with
our
neighbors
and
give
a
break.
But
I've
had
four
of
my
seven
council
members
at
least
say
eight,
so
I
guess
we
have
to
leave
it
as
eight
the
way
it
is.
B
B
Thank
you,
counselor
jansen.
I
see
you
have
a
hand
raised.
F
Sorry,
just
before
we
separated
for
the
night,
I
wanted
very
briefly
just
put
in
the
front
of
our
minds
about
the
tax
increment
funding.
I
know
that
that
date's
coming
up
on
us,
quick
I've
met
with
some
of
the
councilmen
in
town
in
reference
to
that
as
well.
So
I
don't
know
if
mike,
if
you
have
that
plan
for
a
briefing
in
the
in
the
near
future
or
not,
I
just
want
to
bring
that
back
up
to
attention.
D
Yeah,
thank
you.
I
was
actually
going
to
bring
up
the
reminder
that
none
of
us
were
unless
we've
been
designated
to
speak
on
behalf
of
this
body.
D
We
shouldn't
be
representing
the
council
on
issues
such
as
the
tax
increment
funding
things
like
that,
unless
it's
something
that
we
we've
voted
on
and
you're
supporting
the
council's
voted
on
position
or,
like
I
mentioned,
are
designated
to
speak
on
it.
So
I'm
not
sure
the
nature
of
the
meetings
that
you've
been
having
dan,
but
just
there's
really.
No
one
should
be
negotiating
or
discussing
the
specifics
of
returning
tax
increment
funds
to
the
county.
D
B
Just
to
provide
a
status
to
council,
you
may
recall
that
before
the
holidays,
there
were
some
conversations
with
the
cra.
They
wanted
an
opportunity
to
weigh
in
with
a
recommendation
to
council
as
to
what
should
be
done
with
the
south
ncra
tiff
going
forward.
I
basically
double
checked
with
ashley
as
the
finance
officer.
B
A
Can
can
I
say
one
thing
before
we
sign
off
chris?
I
really
am
glad
you
kind
of
brought
up
the
designating
somebody
to
speak
as
a
body,
because
I
know
we
talked
about
that
not
soon
after
us,
new
counselors
were
elected,
and
I
know
with
us
wanting
to
do
the
strategic
plan
and
all
that
kind
of
stuff
coming
up.
It's
kind
of
been
put
on
the
back
burner,
but
I
do
think
especially
when
we're
working
on
the
strategic
plan.
It's
going
to
be
important,
that
we
have
a
council
representative
on
specific
issues.
A
I
B
B
Yeah,
just
just
a
reminder:
next
monday's
council
meeting
will
be
held
in
the
council
chambers
in
person,
starting
at
6
p.m.
And
chris,
do
we
have
the
closed
door
meeting
next
week
or
is
it
the
following
meeting.