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A
Fantastic
well
good
evening,
everybody
and
welcome
to
the
April
27th
council
briefing.
We
have
a
handful
of
items
to
go
over
with
council
tonight.
You
probably
received
some
of
the
information
in
advance
of
tonight's
briefing.
A
couple
of
months
ago,
there
were
a
handful
of
items
that
council
asked
staff
to
look
into
and
bulk
of
those
were
associated
with
Parks
and
Recreation.
There
were
total
4
items.
You
wanted
us
to
take
a
look
at
work
to
his
potential
relocation
of
the
Veterans
Memorial.
The
second
was
having
this:
did
he
become
a
Purple,
Heart
designation?
A
The
third
was
the
lighting
at
the
dog
park,
particularly
in
the
evening
hours
in
early
morning
outward
and
the
final
one
was
a
park
assessment.
Three
of
those
four
items
are
ready
to
be
discussed
with
council
based
on
work
that
Jason
fatigue
ease
and
his
staff
have
done
at
this
point
in
time.
So
we'd
like
to
tackle
those
first
three
tonight,
I'm
gonna
turn
it
over
to
Jacob
to
talk
about
the
Jacob
to
Jason,
to
talk
about
the
first
one,
the
relocation
of
the
Veterans
Memorial.
A
This
is
something
that
he
and
his
staff
I
think
did
a
pretty
good
job
on
identifying
what
the
viable
locations
are
within
the
city
or
relocation,
with
an
estimated
cost
of
between
sixty
and
eighty
thousand
dollars
per
location,
and
they
can
discuss
those
options
with
Council.
Jason
I'll
turn
it
over
to
you.
So.
B
C
Okay,
thank
you
good
evening
taking
a
look
at
the
relocation
from
Oriole
Park.
The
first
thing
we
did
was
reach
out
to
our
VFW
and
our
American
Legion,
and
both
of
them
were
in
favor
of
us
moving
and
well
supporting
and
behind
us.
So
we
went
around
the
our
parks
and
looked
at
areas.
We
thought
that
would
provide
some
parking
and
would
provide
the
serenity
and
kind
of
the.
The
mood
that
we
felt
like
would
be
wanted
at
a
Veterans
Memorial.
C
The
first
picture
here
this
is
a
picture
of
Rotary
Park,
which
is
over
by
the
boat
ramp
and
disappeared.
You
can
see
that
Park,
it's
kind
of
out
of
the
way
it
does
have
limited
parking.
If
that's
an
area
that
we'd
like
to
consider,
we
would
probably
have
to
add
some
irrigation
or
do
a
couple
upgrades.
C
C
This
is
an
area
that
we
really
feel
like
this
park
could
really
be
revamped
and
really
be
the
premier
park
on
the
north
end
of
the
city,
so
we're
kind
of
holding
this
spot
unless
you
guys
were
really
just
in
favor
of
it.
The
next
one,
a
Huguenot
Park.
So
this
area
that
you
see
circled
is
kind
of
right
behind
the
senior
citizen
yer
building
again
it's
it's
an
area,
that's
not
really
utilized
to
hold
on.
At
this
moment.
There
is
some
parking
there
and
we
thought
that
could
be
a
good
application.
C
You
go
to
the
next
one
Jacob,
the
golf
course
this
is
an
area
that
I've
been
looking
at.
You
know
our
ultimate
goal.
The
golf
course
would
be
to
somehow
to
have
a
multi-purpose
facility
and
there's
an
area
here,
circled,
that's
safe,
completely
out
of
play
and
you
could
get
to
it
without
disrupting
play.
It's
a
spot
that
really
could
be
a
nice
sitting
area,
a
nice
garden,
a
nice
memorial
area.
C
C
C
D
D
E
This
is
sandy
Golding
I
concur
I,
like
the
oceanfront
Park
as
well,
and
I
agree
with
the
staff
that
I
would
really
like
to
see
us
save
the
Gonzalez
Park
space
for
something
that
we
could
do
a
little
bit
more
to
revitalize
that
part,
because
it's
I
think
it
could
use
it.
So
this
would
this
would
definitely
be
the
oceanfront
Park
space
I
think
would
be
great,
especially
because
the
accessibility
and
the
parking
and
I
just
think
it's
a
really
nice
location.
F
C
Actually,
the
area
that
that
we
proposed
it's,
it's
really
right
behind
what
we
call
the
chipping
green.
It
really
is
a
short
walk,
it
is
accessible,
but
you
would
have
to.
There
is
play
on
the
golf
course
and
you
would
have
to
navigate
it,
but
there
is
a
routing
more.
We
could
not
disrupt
play
and
get
to
it
and
then.
F
My
other
question,
I
might
just
be
making
more
work
for
myself.
Do
we
know
the
history
of
the
name
Kagan
on?
Is
it
named
after
I
mean
I'm
sure
it's
named
after
someone
important
to
our
city's
history,
but
was
it
some
of
the
parks,
like
an
Atlantic
Beach,
for
example,
are
named
after
War
veterans
I'm,
just
curious?
If
that
might
have
been
it,
have
we
done
that
research
that
there
might
be
a
tie-in.
F
G
Is
Corey
Nichols
I
mean
I
mean
I
like
the
oceanfront
Park
as
well.
The
only
issue
I
would
have
there
is
just
at
a
Memorial
Park.
You
know
the
golf
course
like
Trevor
said
it's
a
place
that
they
could
reflect
in
a
in
a
quieter
environment,
because
that
area
of
the
of
the
Beach
Park
does
get.
You
know
there's
times
where
there's
a
decent
amount
of
people
there.
Obviously
you
remember
the
pokey
man
crazy
craziness
that
went
on
there.
G
There
are
some
dance
groups
that
go
out
there
in
that
particular
area
and
and
do
dance
classes,
and
you
know
I
mean
you
know,
I
think
it's
a
fine
location
I.
You
know
most
of
those
parks,
I've
always
seen
in
more
places
where
people
can
reflect
on
on
the
loss
of
life
and
and
stuff
in
that
area.
I
mean
I'm,
not
opposed
to
the
oceanfront
Park.
That's
my
only
thought
about
that
location
that
it's
a
it's
not
as
solemn
of
a
of
a
in
quiet
of
a
place
and
unfortunately
there's
a
lot
of
dog
poop.
F
I
mean
City
property,
just
throwing
it
out
there
that
that
might
even
be
it's
alongside
Beach
Boulevard,
but
we
certainly
have
parking.
It
would
certainly
be
relative
or
you
know
relevant
to
the
property
so
and.
G
E
Like
the
idea
of
the
beaches,
history,
Park
I
think
that,
because
part
of
it
I
mean
I
know
we
want
it
to
be
a
solemn
location,
but
also
to
I
think
we
want
it
to
be
someplace,
that's
easily
accessible,
because
I
think
we
want
people
to
see
it
and
we
want
people
to
stop
there
and
spend
some
time
reflecting
if
it
were
tucked
away
somewhere
and
people
don't
know
about
it,
then
they
may
not.
You
know,
may
not
know
that
that
they
can
go
there
and
do
that.
B
D
Other
thing
I'm
going
to
throw
in
there
is
the
last
consideration
is
I,
don't
know
if
any
of
you
guys
have
been
to
Normandy,
but
the
majestic
ocean
crashing
is
you're
sitting
there.
Looking
at
this,
it
was
absolutely
breathtaking,
so
you
know
you're
right.
There
might
be
some
poking
men
type
things
going
on
with
kids
and
whatnot,
but
I.
Think,
generally
speaking,
the
feeling
of
that
ocean
crashing
is
you
sit
and
reflect
about
your
lost
loved
one
as
it's
pretty
nice.
F
We
have
and
I
can
do
a
walk-through
with
Parks
and
Rec.
If
you
guys
want
to,
but
I
would
mean
my
first
thought
would
be
west
of
the
chapel
and
what
we
called
the
wedge
that
there's
nothing
else
there
and
there's
access
to
it
from
the
there's,
a
gate
from
Pablo
avenues,
so
I
mean
I'm,
just
throwing
it
out
there.
It
seems
like
it
would
be
completely
appropriate
to
do
something
like
that
there,
but
you
know
I
got
we
have
to
do
what's
best,
for
this
I
mean
the
location
of
it.
G
F
C
C
A
B
Certainly
so
in
we
did
meet
with
the
commanders
of
both
the
VFW
and
the
American
Legion,
and
we
also
spoke
with
the
memorial
order
of
Purple
Heart,
guys
about
the
designation
of
Purple
Heart
City
in
meeting
with
them.
We
also
discussed
the
relocation
of
the
memorial
and
all
organizations
were
very
happy
to
see
that
we
would
prefer
to
move
it
to
a
more
serene.
You
know
a
place
as
far
as
the
designation
of
the
Purple
Heart
City
goes.
B
I
know
councils,
probably
aware
that
Neptune
Beach
Atlantic
Beach,
the
City
of
Jacksonville
and
Duval
County,
or
all
Purple,
Heart
cities
and
county
and
so
I
think
it's
fitting
that
we
would
want
to
join
them.
Mayor
asks
about
the
process
a
very
simple
process.
It
is
drawing
up
a
proclamation
that
is
satisfactory
to
the
the
Purple
Heart
Order,
and
it's
simply
that
we
would
advertise
it
give
them
enough
time
so
that
they
can
promote
it
to
the
media
and
and
that's
pretty
much
it
as
far
as
signage
goes.
They
would
be
prepared
to
take
up.
B
You
know
the
the
onus
on
that
within
our
discussions
with
them.
We
thought
that
you
know
if
we
could
choose
the
relocation
over
the
Memorial
and
coincide
the
designation
on
the
same
day.
That
would
give
us
some
good
media
coverage
and
so
forth.
August
7th
is
Purple
Heart
Day
in
the
state
of
Florida,
and
you
know
if
we
can
get
that
to
coincide
and
happens
to
be
on
a
Friday,
it
would
I
think
further
promote
the
process
and
that's
pretty
much.
It
I
mean
any
questions.
We
were
available,
I
think.
D
D
You
know,
maybe
the
small
Navy
band
that
can
play
the
Navy,
hymnal
type,
music
and
or
the
you
know
the
ceremonial
that
music
as
well
but
I.
You
know
my
big
thought
about.
This
has
always
been
if
we're
going
to
do
it.
Let's
do
this
right,
because
it's
a
very
important
distinction
for
people
who've
won
that
award
to
be
honored
by
their
hometown.
So
you
know,
rather
than
just
throw
up
a
sign
and
do
a
proclamation.
D
A
G
D
D
E
B
D
B
Thank
you
Mike,
so
council
should
have
received
a
package
that
was
kind
of
the
summary
of
our
survey.
I'm,
just
gonna
touch
on
a
few
points
that
you
know
kind
of
jumped
out
at
me
and
feel
free
to
you
know,
ask
any
question
any
time,
so
we
sent
the
survey
out
to
about
600
or
so
members
that
we
had
emails,
addresses
for
and
I
think
we've
got
a
fairly
decent
response
in
about
16
percent
or
99
responses
or
jumped
out
at
me.
B
Was
there
60
percent
of
members
of
visiting
the
park
either
daily
or
a
few
times
a
week?
Second
question
wasn't
really
a
surprise.
The
busy
times
are
8
to
12
in
the
morning
and
then
again
3
to
6.
In
the
afternoon
question
3
was
where
we
spent
a
lot
of
time.
You
know
trying
to
dig
in
to
find
out
what
it
is
that
you
know
we
could
do
to.
B
B
B
We
do
realize
that
you
know
if
you're
going
to
upgrade,
we've
got
to
focus
more
attention
on
the
small
park
rather
than
the
larger
park,
not
to
say
that
we
we
don't
give
the
large
park
any
attention,
though
so,
and
a
couple
of
things
jumped
out
about
the
smaller
park.
Is
people
were
dissatisfied
that
we
didn't
have
the
same
turf
in
the
lodge
in
the
small
park
as
we
have
in
the
larger
dog
park
a
couple
of
years
ago
we
had
a
lot
of
problems
with
sands
Ferrer's.
There
we've
worked
to
mitigate
that.
B
It's
not
something
that
you
know
we
can
get
rid
of
overnight.
It
takes
a
couple
of
seasons
to
do
that.
We
think
we
well
on
our
way
with
Trevor
use
on
board.
Now
we
are
going
to
look
at
enhancing
the
agronomic
aspect
of
all
our
parks,
something
that
will
come
up
in
the
parks
assessment
that
hopefully
we're
going
to
present
to
Council
soon
in
the
near
future,
and
so
one
of
the
things
Trevor
knees
staff
are
going
to
do
is
to
put
an
irrigation
system
in
there
and
upgrade
the
turf
other
than
that.
B
You
know
I
think
the
the
results
overall
were
were
favorable.
We
did
take
note
of
the
suggestions
more
shade,
some
amenities
for
the
dogs,
drinking
fountains
and
things
of
that
nature,
but
overall
be
very
pleased.
Lastly,
mr.
Doherty
had
asked
about
the
lights
in
at
the
dog
park.
If
they
were
sufficient,
we've
included
this
photograph
to
show
council
they're.
You
know
of
the
99
responses.
Only
one
person
responded
negatively
to
the
amount
of
light
and
then
I
think
was
a
small
Parque
member.
B
Even
though
we
do
have
a
light
on
the
on
the
small
dog
park,
it
it
only
lights
the
northern
area,
so
the
the
southern
area
of
the
park
is,
is
quite
dark,
but,
as
you
can
see
from
the
photograph,
I
think
we
have
sufficient
light
on
the
large
dog
park
and
that's
our
summary.
We
are
open
to
any
questions.
E
B
E
B
E
E
Don't
know
whatever
you
call
it,
but
you
know
that
might
be
a
fun
thing
to
add
to
the
large
dog
area
at
some
point
too,
if
we
want,
if
we're
looking
at
amenities,
because
considering
how
hot
it
gets-
and
you
know
that's-
that's
a
big
concern.
I
think
there
that
would
be
a
great
amenity
to
add
we'll.
E
Will
say
this
with
my
oh
one,
other
thing
I
wanted
to
mention
that
is
I,
think
monumental,
and
that
is
that
paws
park
will
be
celebrating
15
years.
May
1st
May
1st.
We
held
the
grand
opening
for
the
dog
park
and
it
was.
It
was
a
huge,
huge
event
that
was
a
lot
of
fun
for
those
of
you
who
weren't
there
that's
the
first
time,
I
ever
saw
George
Forbes
kind
of
speechless
because
he
did
he
didn't
support
the
dog
park.
E
I
mean
for
most
of
the
most
of
the
time
until
he
actually
saw
all
the
people
and
all
the
dogs,
and
he
saw
that
it
was
a
lot
of
fun
and
there
were
not
a
lot
of
fights
and
it
was
a.
It
was
a
great
place
and
people.
You
know
it
ended
up
being
a
good
place
for
people
to
go
so
May
1st
is
the
anniversary
of
paws
park
and
I
just
suggested
and
I
hope.
E
Years
ago,
when
we
were
doing
fundraisers
for
the
park,
we
always
did
a
Halloween
costume
contest
and
that
was
hugely
successful
because
believe
it
or
not
people
loved
to
dress
up
their
dogs
and
they
loved
to
dress
up
with
their
dogs,
and
we,
we
raised
a
lot
of
money
for
the
dog
park.
So
anyway
might
be
something
for
us
to
consider
doing
as
kind
of
a
celebration
for
the
15
years
that
the
park
has
been
in
existence.
But
anyway,
thank
you
for
doing
the
survey.
E
One
other
thing
I
was
going
to
mention
people
not
picking
up
after
their
dogs.
That
seems
to
be
a
continual
problem
everywhere,
not
just
in
the
dog
park,
but
it's
really
disappointing
that
people
don't
do
what
they're
supposed
to
do,
but
I
appreciate
you
guys
doing
the
survey
I
think
it
was
I
think
it
was
very
enlightening.
G
I
had
the
only
thing
that
that
I'd,
like
to
contribute,
is
very
similar
to
I,
guess
through
hound
that
there
is
a
social
aspect
and
there's
minimal
food
negative
food
truck
occasionally,
and
they
have
beer
and
wine
and
cheese
and
some
other
stuff
available.
You
know
I,
don't
know
if
the
right
way
to
do
it,
but
you
know
if
what's-his-name
from
sneakers
just
taking
over
the
restaurant
breeding.
A
G
Maybe
in
the
future,
that's
something
that
you
know
Greg
can
set
up
over
there
in
the
afternoons
or
or
Friday
afternoon
for
for
a
happy
hour
or
something
to
to
make
it
more
of
a
little
more
of
a
social
place.
To
go,
I
mean
I,
get
I
got
a
brew
hound
a
little
more
often
just
because
it
is
a
little
more
social.
A
Fantastic
I
think
we've
got
some
good
input
on
this
with
regards
to
the
15th
year.
We
are
gonna,
do
something
on
social
media.
Let
the
public
know
about
the
15
year.
I
did
ask
Jason
to
take
a
look
and
see
if
we
had
done
any
other
types
of
celebrations
for
any
of
our
other
facilities.
It
does
not
appear
that
we
have
done
anything
with
any
with
any
type
of
predetermined
notion.
A
So
at
some
point
we
may
come
back
to
Council
and
see
whether
or
not
you
want
to
do
some
type
of
celebratory
events
for
all
the
facilities
when
they
hit
milestones
and
what
milestones
should
be
everything
from
sunshine
Park
to
see
what
pavilion
to
Gonzalez,
you
name
it.
You
know,
maybe
we're
celebrating
10,
25
and
50
I,
don't
know
or
if
you
want
to
do
every
five
year
interval,
but
that's
something
we
can
talk
about
it.
Another
time.
My.
E
That
is
more
for
the
people
and
so
I
think
that
it
does
have
a
huge
social
component
to
it,
which
is
why
I
thought
a
celebration
for
that
for
the
park
would
be
a
good
thing
to
do,
because
maybe
some
of
the
other
parks
don't
necessarily
have
the
same
the
same
social
component,
but
maybe
they
do,
but
in
this
particular
case
I
thought
it
would.
It
would
be
kind
of
fun
to
do
that.
So
thank
you
for
looking
into
that
and.
A
A
If
we're
done
with
the
parks,
as
we
indicated
the
fourth
item,
that
was
on
the
list,
which
was
the
parks,
assessment,
Jason
and
his
staff
are
still
working
on
that
one's
a
little
bit
more
in-depth
and
needs
a
little
bit
more
time
before
it's
ready
for
prime
time.
But
we
are
ready
to
move
on
to
the
next
topic,
which
was
one
of
the
priorities
for
Council,
which
was
phase
one
of
the
Charter
revisions.
So
at
this
point,
I'm
gonna
turn
it
over
to
Chris
and
rosio.
A
I
Let
me
close
the
way
close,
the
window
of
the
beautiful
office
that
you
let
me
work
in
all
four
items
are
covered
in
the
ordinance
and
it's
part
of
what's
titled
as
composite
exhibit
1
and,
of
course,
that
addresses
the
supermajority
vote
to
council
to
remove
the
city
manager
and
also
removing
gender
references
that
were
in
that
section,
as
it
relates
to
the
city
manager
the
same
for
the
city
attorney.
But
the
city
attorney
section
is
much
smaller
than
the
managers
I'm
glad
to
answer
any
questions
about
both
of
those
and
then
the
other.
I
Two,
of
course,
there's
a
supermajority
vote
of
council
and
voter
ref
random
to
eliminate
any
city
department
and
then
finally,
the
the
section
on
council
and
appointees
shall
not
interfere
in
the
performance
of
the
city,
employees,
duties
and
that
that
section
was
substantially
added
to
and
cliff.
Our
council
consultant
and
I
worked
on
that
and
several
phases
and
really
contemplated
the
language
of
that.
But,
of
course
it's
a
briefing
tonight.
So
please
share
with
us
any
of
your
comments,
concerns
and
we'll
be
glad
to
continue
to
work
on
it.
F
On
the
the
super,
mature
I
agree
with
the
supermajority
votes
of
the
council
for
the
three
things
that
it's
been
added
there
for,
but
for
the
elimination
of
a
city
department
to
have
the
supermajority
and
a
vote
of
the
citizens.
I
mean.
If
we
have
a
7-0
vote
on
the
council,
then
it
would
still
have
to
go
to
a
citizen
referendum.
That
just
seems
really
excessive
to
me.
I
seems
like
it
should
be
or
a
referendum.
If
there's
a
clear
business
case
for
something
and
the
City
Council
decides
on
it.
F
I
Absolutely
I
mean
I
would
say
that
there's
probably
some
municipalities
that
would
call
for
every
single
one
of
these
and
more
to
go
to
go
to
referendum.
My
understanding
was
that,
as
it
relates
to
the
history
of
the
jacks,
will
be
Fire
Rescue
Department
fire
department
that
the
one
of
the
primary
concern
was
to
have
both
elements,
as
in
this
part,
which
is
well.
F
F
F
Just
can't
see
how,
if
it's,
if
there's
a
case,
to
be
made
that
a
super
majority
of
the
councillors
are
voting
on
something
that
we
would
then
also
have
to
go
to
the
voters
way
that
I
just
I'm
willing
to
listen
to
to
be
convinced
on
that.
But
on
first
blush
to
me
a
supermajority
would
be
I.
I
agree
with
the
super
majority.
I
agree
with
that
for
the
city
manager,
of
the
City
Attorney
and
for
elimination
of
the
department,
but
I.
G
J
G
G
J
Agree
with
Chris
that
it
should
not
be
it
shouldn't
be,
or
it
should
just
be
super
majority
vote
period.
I,
don't
think
it
should
be
for
reference
and
there's
a
process
if
somebody
wanted
to
get
something
put
up
for
a
referendum,
there's
a
process
that
they
can
go
ahead
and
do
that.
That's
completely
separate
from
our
duties
as
elected
officials
that
they
elect
us
to
make
those
decisions.
I
agree
with
the
supermajority,
but
I
don't
agree
that
it
should
require
both
and
I.
J
A
H
You
I
understand
the
instinct
Chris's
argument.
Yes,
so
if
something
is
a
7-0
vote,
there's
it's
kind
of
a.
Why
does
it
need
to
go
to
citizens,
but
I
would
say
that
with
the
fire
department,
people
were
extremely
upset
that
they
did
not
have
a
say
in
it.
So
I
think
it's
the
gravity
of
the
department.
This
is
something
that's
not
gonna
happen.
Often
there
aren't
many
things
that
we
can
contract
out,
so
I
feel
comfortable
having
both
of
them.
My
concern
ends
up
being
police
and
Beach's
energy.
H
So,
let's
just
say
that
people
are
turned
out
they're
not
going
to
be
running
again
and
you
know
they're
perfectly
fine,
getting
rid
of
the
fire
department
getting
rid
of
the
police
department,
because
it's
going
to
you
can
make
the
argument
that
it
cost
a
lot
of
money
and
Jacksonville
has
Jaso,
has
forces
and
buggies
and
all
these
fun
toys.
So
we
want
to
get
rid
of
our
Police
Department.
So
we
could
use
that
those
kinds
of
things.
Those
are
arguments
that
can
be
made,
even
if
it
makes
it
on
a
5-2
vote.
H
For
whatever
reason.
That
is
something
that
should
be
going
to
the
citizens.
I
guess
we
are
our
elected
officials.
We
set
the
policy
direction,
but
when
it
comes
to
changing
it
really
does
change
the
structure
of
government,
as
well
as
the
power
structure
and
the
power
that
the
city
manager
and
the
City
Attorney
have
over
the
functioning
of
departments
in
the
city,
as
well
as
the
network
of
the
city
departments.
E
Only
comment
I
was
going
to
make
was
and
and
georgette
brought
it
up
was
that
the
police
department
and
Beach's
energy-
certainly
we
know
just
with
what's
happened
recently
with
JEA-
that
that
that
really
caused
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
issues
in
the
community.
So
those
are
two
departments
that
I
think
would
would
be
pretty
serious
and
the
community
would
want
to
have
some
say
in
that.
E
G
Think
it's
a
four
you
know
four
to
three
is
about
is
like
sixty
percent,
almost
and
I.
Think
that's
sub
state
I
think
that's
substantial
to
be
able
to
make
the
decisions
we
need
to
make
I
mean.
Obviously
a
lot
of
the
the
people
in
Jacksonville
Beach
I
mean
we
live
in
a
great
place
as
it
is.
It's
very
easy
to
get
a
small
group
of
people
that
are
very
vocal
about
an
issue
to.
A
Either
way
it
still
has
to
get
to
a
ballot,
which
means
either
a
majority
of
council
members
needs
to
vote
in
favor
of
putting
it
on
the
bow
or
there
needs
to
be
enough
citizens
that
can
actually
go
through
some
type
of
a
ballot,
a
ballot
petition
process
and
Chris
I.
Don't
know.
If
that's
anything
we
looked
at
as
to
whether
or
not
that
is
in
our
Charter,
where
the
residents
can
do
a
citizen
initiated
charter
amendment.
A
But
if,
if
that
doesn't
exist,
then
it
would
still
need
at
least
a
simple
majority
by
council
to
put
it
to
ballot,
and
then
you
still
need
a
majority
of
the
public
saying
that
they
support
the
move
to
eliminate
either
of
those
two
departments.
So
I
think
that
maybe
is,
is
where
the
focus
should
be
is
on
those
two
particular
departments.
A
Those
two
tend
to
be
the
ones
that
are
more
critical
or
have
more
of
a
community
impact
in
in
the
event
that
a
community
were
to
lose
either
of
those
two
departments,
either
their
utilities
or
their
Police,
Department
and
I
see
we
have
more
hands
raised
so
Cory.
Let's
go
back
to
you
that
will
be
followed
by
Chris
Hoffman.
F
I
agree
with
the
police
department
in
Beach's
energy
being
a
paramount
concern
and
Mike.
Is
there
any
scenario
that
you
could
think
of
just
envision
that
there
would
be
any
other
department
in
the
city
that
would
be
under
consideration
in
terms
of
consolidation
or
whatever?
As
far
as
eliminating
is
there
I
mean?
Are
we
really
just
talking
about
police
and
energy
here,
yeah.
A
You
can't
you
can't
say
never
right.
Am
I
looking
at
anything
personally
for
the
city.
The
answer
is
no.
That
doesn't
mean
that
in
five
or
ten
years
you
could
have
a
push
to
consolidate
the
beaches.
Water
systems
come
up
with
a
canoe,
holidayed
and
wastewater
district
for
all
three
beach
communities.
That's
always
a
possibility,
but
again
the
ones
that
I've
seen
most
prominent
is
police
department
always
seems
to
be
that
number
one
at
the
top
of
the
list,
an
interior
of
charters
and
then
again
your
utilities,
beaches,
energy
as
utility.
A
A
The
only
concern
I've
got
with
regards
to
the
restriction
on
eliminating
departments
is
that
the
language
I
think
would
need
to
be
phrased
in
such
a
way
that
if
the
services
are
be
consolidated
back
into
an
originating
department
or
another
department
of
the
city,
that's
not
technically
the
elimination
of
a
department
and
I'll
give
you
an
example.
One
of
the
things
that
we've
been
exploring
on
our
friend
and
administration
is
whether
or
not
IT
information
technology
is
now
robust
enough
that
it
should
be
spun
off
as
its
own
Department.
A
It
is
not
uncommon
in
all
organizations
to
have
an
Mis
management
information
systems,
services
where
finance
HR,
an
IT
are
all
rolled
into
one
department
and
as
the
organization
grows
and
as
the
services
grow,
they
get
large
enough
that
they
spin
off
into
individual
departments.
If
you
get
to
something
like,
oh
I,
don't
know
a
recession
or
a
depression,
you
may
have
a
need
to
combine
those
back
into
one
home
department.
A
E
E
E
The
other
thing
I
was
going
to
say
with
regard
to
the
question
about
voter
referendums.
I
can
tell
you
from
very
very
intimate
knowledge
with
our
Charter
and
with
citizen
ish,
initiated
referendums
that
we
do
not
have
anything
in
our
charter
that
that
defines
how
citizen
initiated
referendums
will
be
done
in
the
City
of
Jacksonville
Beach.
So
everything
defaults
to
the
state
and
what
the
state
defines
in
in
regard
to
how
you
do
a
citizen
initiated
referendum.
G
G
Sorry
go
ahead,
Chris
from
both
for
both
we're
joining
yeah
yeah
I'm,
opposed
to
that
I.
I
think
that
we
need
to
stick
with
a
simple
majority,
absolutely
think
you
guys
are
outstanding,
but
I
think
our
history
with
our
past
city
manager,
that
he
became
too
powerful
and
just
being
able
to
able
to
have
to
control
a
couple
votes
on
the
council.
I
I
would
be
opposed
to
that
I
think
it
should
be
a
simple
majority,
I
think.
G
As
long
as
the
city
manager
and
the
City
Attorney
are
doing
a
good
job,
I
mean
right
now,
there's
full
support
of
all
council
members
and
I.
Just
the
way
a
city
manager
structure
is
set
up,
it
can
really
put
a
city
manager
in
a
position
where
he
is.
He
is
way
too
powerful
and
controls
every
aspect
of
the
city.
J
J
A
That's
correct
in
order
as
councillor
Goulding
just
indicated
there
currently
is
no
provision
in
the
Charter
for
the
Senate
eiated
referendum,
which
means
they
either
have
to
follow.
The
state,
rule
or
council
needs
to
place
it
on
a
referendum
in
an
order
for
council
to
place
it
on
a
referenda.
Just
like
the
ordinance
that's
drafted
in
front
of
you,
it
needs
to
be
drafted,
it
needs
to
go
in
front
of
Council,
and
it
needs
to
be
voted
on
in
a
majority.
A
J
I
I
It
is
that,
if
it's
a
public
initiated
referendum,
then
the
vote
is
the
determining
factor.
It's
not.
It
doesn't
stem
from
the
council.
It
stems
from
the
public
and
then
there's
a
statutory
process
about
how
that
goes
about
by
the
way.
This.
Actually,
the
Florida
Statute
states
that
a
municipality
may
by
unanimous
vote
of
the
governing
body,
abolish
municipal
departments
provided
for
in
the
municipal
charter
and
the
men
provisions
or
language
out
of
the
Charter,
the
Charter
which
it
which
has
been
judicially
construed.
I
The
most
important
part
of
that
is
that
the
statute
only
calls
for
a
unanimous
vote
of
the
governing
body
to
abolish
a
municipal
department,
so
that
doesn't
limit
the
council
from
doesn't
prevent
the
council
from
having
a
stricter
requirement
with
respect
to
the
police
department
and
beaches.
So
I
can
simply
redraft
that
section
of
this
proposed
ordinance
so
that
it
states
something
along
the
lines
of
a
simple
majority
vote.
I
J
J
J
Would
argue
that
you
need
more
votes,
it
wasn't
going
to
the
voters,
but
if
it's
going
to
the
voters
the
voters
should
control
right.
I
mean
I,
don't
understand
why
we've
increased
the
number,
the
art
they're,
the
ones
that
voted
us
in
they're,
the
ones
that
will
be
making
the
decision.
Why
do
we
need
a
supermajority?
You
should
yeah.
I
I
am
NOT
the
policymaker,
but
I,
but
I
agree
with
that
as
well,
I
mean-
and
you
know
again
before
I
assumed
the
office.
Of
course,
I
was
aware
of
what
happened
with
the
fire
department
as
a
local
citizen,
but
then,
when
I
came
on
board,
I
was
informed
by
many.
You
know
several
people
that
there
was
a
great
concern
that
the
voters
weren't
involved.
Those
citizens
weren't
involved
in
that.
I
So
that
was
my
understanding
of
us
trying
to
fortify
that
as
best
as
we
can
and
I
also
agree
that
that
doesn't
seem
to
conceivable
of
any
of
the
other
departments
being
subject
to
what
the
fire
department
was
other
than
police
department
in
peaches.
It's
not
like
we're
going
to
where
the
council
is
going
to
suddenly
expect
to
eliminate
or
abolish
the
City
Clerk's
office
or
human
resources
department.
A
D
A
quick
question
for
Chris
Ambrosio
we've
had
a
couple:
County
administrators,
a
candy
managers
terminated
in
the
last
six
months
in
Northeast
Florida,
st.
John's
Kennedy
was
a
couple
of
two
three
months
ago.
Alachua
County
was
a
couple
few
years
ago.
I
wasn't
there
when
that
happened,
but
I'm
just
curious
said.
We
looked
at
other
counties
to
see
whether
or
not
they
require
the
majority
or
a
supermajority.
D
I
H
E
E
The
threshold
I
guess
you
might
say
for
referenda
and
I
think
that
they
have
to
be
I,
think
referenda
passed
only
by
60%
or
more
of
the
vote.
It's
not
50%,
plus
one
anymore,
that's
been
changed,
so
I
just
want
everybody
to
be
aware
of
that,
because
it's
not
it's
it's
a
higher
standard
now
than
what
it
used
to
be
so,
even
even
on
the
referendum.
It
still
has
to
pass
by
over
60%
of
the
vote.
A
H
Thank
you
so,
with
the
language
definitely
call
out
the
police
as
well
as
beaches,
energy,
the
I
understand
the
argument
with
the
supermajority
and
then
the
citizen
referendum
I
was
the
one
who
first
brought
this
up
about
a
year
ago
and
they
no
less
than
a
year
ago,
when
this
was
first
brought
up.
This
is
like
a
big
thing
for
me
is
to
make
sure
that
the
fire
department,
kind
of
a
thing
doesn't
happen
again
with
just
a
simple
majority
of
council
I'm
trying
to
protect
government
structure
from
politics
and
to
do
that.
H
I
suggested
a
supermajority
of
council.
It
got
the
super
majority
of
the
or
majority
supermajority.
Sixty
percent
of
the
citizens
was
added
in
so
I'm,
okay
with
having
one
or
the
other
kind
of
I'm,
okay
with
a
supermajority
of
Council,
but
what
I
say
supermajority
of
council
I
also
mean
for
getting
rid
of
the
city
manager
as
well
as
the
city
attorney
that
provides
continuity
and
protects
their
jobs
from
political
will,
whims
of
council,
which
happens.
So
that's
that
one
that
one
that
one?
Yes,
okay,
that's
my
list!
Thank
you.
G
Well,
as
Chris
said
that
you
know
I
guess
he
had
a
lot
of
heared
a
lot
from
the
residents
that
they
didn't
have
a
say
in
in
that
and
I
mean
you
know
they
voted
they
vote
us
in
I
mean
the
cost
to
do
a
referendum.
I
mean
we're
not
talking
about
doing
it
outside
of
the
normal
time
frame
of
a
normal
voting
block.
Right
so
I
mean
it
might
be
a
year.
We're
not
going
to
do
a
special
referendum
for
to
remove
the
City
Attorney.
G
H
G
And
the
reason
I
don't
agree
with
that
is
just
because
in
the
past
those
positions
have
gotten
too
powerful
and
I.
Think
a
simple
majority
you
know
is:
is
a
pretty
high
bar
to
reach
to
make
those
changes
if
something
has
to
be
pretty
substantially
wrong
with
those
positions
or
the
majority
of
the
population
would
have
to
think
that
it
was
a
these
people
that
a
change
needed
to
be
made.
G
Sandy,
you
said
something
a
minute
ago
that
I
wanted
to
comment.
Oh
just
back
to
the
you're
right
about
the
supermajority
on
referendum.
That
would
need
to
be
60%
on
this
I
just
always
found
it
humorous
that
that
came
into
law
by
not
and
did
not
get
a
supermajority
vote.
It
passed
by
57%,
so
I
always
thought
that
was
interesting
but
again,
I.
Think
the
city
manager,
City
Attorney,
should
be
able
to
be
removed
by
a
simple
majority
vote
and
the
other.
The
other
issue
for
specifically
the
police
department
and
the
fire
department.
J
Does
it
have
to
be
a
60%
vote,
or
can
we
dictate
a
majority
vote
Chris
like
does
it
have
to
go
as
a
referendum,
or
can
we
just
put
what
we
want
on
the
ballot
and
say,
let's
just
use
the
fire
department?
As
an
example,
can
we
say
it
requires
a
majority
vote
of
the
council
and
then
it
requires
a
majority
vote
of
our
citizens.
I
You
you
get
to
control
it
and
again
this
isn't
this,
isn't
a
charter
amendment
so
to
speak?
This
is
a
this.
Is
a
vote
to
eliminate
or
abolish
a
department.
Right
so
I
mean
technically
you
you
can
do
it.
You
could
abolish
the
department
just
by
a
unanimous
vote
of
the
council.
So
that's
technically
all
it
requires
per
Florida
law
doesn't
have
to
go
referendum
I.
J
I
Right,
that's
for
a
amendment
of
the
Charter
and
what
we're
discussing
is
a
section
of
our
Charter.
That's
been
to
authorize,
or
at
least
establish
the
procedure
to
abolish
or
eliminate
a
department
and
whether
that's
going
to
be
held
solely
in
councils,
power
or
shared.
With
respect
to
me,
police
department
in
Beach's,
shared
by
council
and
the
voters.
And
if.
J
J
J
I
My
my
understanding
is
that
for
all
departments,
other
than
police
and
beaches
and
I
know
will
summarize
this,
but
all
departments
other
than
police
and
beaches
can
be
a
boss
or
eliminated
either
by
it's
either
a
simple,
simple
majority
vote
or
a
supermajority
vote
of
council
there's
no
referendum
with
respect
to
police
and
beaches.
It
is
a
again
I
hear
what
councillor
nickel
is
the
same,
but
I
think
it's
either
see
there
in
the
supermajority
vote
and
referendum
or
just
a
majority
vote
and
referendum.
I
But
I
think
the
point
was
that
the
body
needs
to
discuss
whether
for
police
and
beaches,
whether
they
want
it
to
be
a
supermajority
vote
of
council
or
just
a
majority
vote
of
council.
But
it
sounds
to
me
that,
with
respect
to
those
two
departments,
the
voter
referendum
is
what
the
council
would
like
the
other
departments
other
than
police
and
beaches.
The
question
is:
is
you
want
that
to
be
super
majority
vote
of
council
and
that's
it
or
just
a
you
know,
majority
vote
of
council
so.
E
Okay,
so
I
would
say
it.
My
two
cents
are
for
any
of
the
other
departments
would
be
how
we
normally
do
it,
which
would
just
be
a
majority
of
the
council,
the
police
and
beaches.
Energy
would
be.
I
would
be
fine
with
a
majority
of
council
if
it
goes
to
referendum,
because
at
least
we're
giving
the
citizens
the
opportunity
to
be
the
final
say,
and
if
we,
if
we
can
indeed
because
I
guess,
maybe
I
misunderstood,
but
I
thought
statute,
limited
all
referendums
to
60%
or
higher
approval.
E
But
if
that's
not
the
case,
then
I
would
then
I
would
like
to
see
us
make
it
be
50%
higher,
50%,
higher
or
whatever
for
that
for
beaches,
energy
in
the
police
department
and
then
just
the
other.
The
only
other
point
I
want
it.
Just
to
put
my
my
position
on
record
I
support
supermajority
for
the
city
manager
and
for
the
city
attorney.
A
G
Be
just
a
simple
majority
vote
and
though
it's
to
those
two
specific
ones
would
go
to
a
referendum
where
at
50%,
plus
one
and
I'd
like
what
the
mayor
said.
Also,
that
I
would
like
to
look
around
the
area
and
see
what
the
other
entities
have
done
for
removal
of
city
managers,
County
managers,
City
Attorney's,
and
compare
compare
that.
A
So,
just
as
I
don't
think
we
have
any
new
hands
in
the
queue
which
is
good.
Let
me
see
if
I
can
do
a
quick
summation
here
to
make
sure
we're
on
the
same
page,
with
regards
to
departments
when
it
comes
to
beaches,
energy
and
the
police
department.
That
would
require
a
simple
majority
of
council
and
a
referenda
of
the
public
with
a
50%
plus
one
in
order
to
eliminate
either
of
those
two
departments
with
regards
to
any
other
department.
A
Okay,
so
I
think
we
encapsulated
that
one
correctly
with
regards
to
the
elimination
of
this
the
determination
of
city
manager
or
City
Attorney
right
now,
it
is,
it
is
written
as
supermajority
Chris
will
go
ahead
and
find
out
what's
happening
in
other
municipalities
and
counties
around
this
area.
Whichever
one
is,
the
majority
is
probably
what
we'll
bring
back
to
Council.
A
So
so
I
think
that
handles
the
first
three
items
in
the
ordinance
which
takes
us
to
the
fourth
item.
There's
still
an
item
in
here
we
haven't
touched
on
yet,
and
that
is
revisions
to
section
30,
which
is
councils,
interference,
thank
formants
of
city.
Employees
and
I
see
a
hand
up
already,
and
that
would
be
council
member
Dumont.
That's.
H
For
the
last
one,
but
it
was
up
before
you
got
to
the
fourth
item,
the
I
know
we
want
to
look
at
what
other
counties
municipalities
are
doing,
but
just
because
they're
doing
it
doesn't
mean
that
it's
actually
in
the
best
interest
of
the
city,
all
the
time,
so
I
think
we
should
also
look
at
which
ones
are
runway,
which
ones
have
balanced
budgets.
You
know,
so
it's
a
lot
more
than
just
who's.
Do
how
many
people
are
doing
this
one
so
that
one
therefore
has
to
be
good.
H
So
we
should
really
look
at
something
a
little
bit
deeper
and
connect
the
super
majority
versus
a
simple
majority
and
economic
prosperity
of
the
municipalities
or
the
satisfaction
with
their
governments.
Things
like
that,
because
just
because
one
group
does
it
a
lot
doesn't
mean
that
that
is
the
best
way.
If
you
look
at
forms
of
government,
a
city
manager
form
a
council-manager
form
of
government
is
the
most
efficient
form
of
government
with
regard
to
attracting
businesses
and
continuity
and
all
that
stuff.
That's
what
the
data
shows
yep.
H
A
Tell
you
what
I'm
gonna
do
I'm
gonna
make
an
executive
administrative
decision
and
the
whole
reason
I'm
going
to
do
it
and
I'm
gonna.
Do
it
publicly
and
where
it's
being
televised
and
recorded
is
because
it's
very
clear
to
see
that
anyone
could
look
at
it
and
say
the
city
manager
and
the
City
Attorney
both
have
a
potential
or
perceived
conflict
of
interest
to
push
an
item
like
this
forward,
because
both
he
and
I
would
be
the
the
benefit,
the
benefactors
of
such
a
change
to
the
ordinance.
G
A
I
A
A
I
Yes,
so
this
topic
is
covering
our
current:
what's
titled
as
dogs
and
cats,
it's
our
animal
code
and
also
following
this
will
discuss
dogs
on
beach
and
dogs
on
leashes
dogs,
on
leashes,
on
beaches
and
then
in
public
at
large
and
gentle.
So,
but
let
me
first
just
take
just
30
seconds
to
use
this
chance
to
acknowledge
Riley
Jacobs,
who
never
gets
mentioned
or
receives
attention
due
attention.
But
I've
worked
with
Riley
a
lot
and
recently
and
Riley
is
the
city.
Employee,
I,
think
that
probably
confronts
the
most
disturbing
situations
and
to
perform
her
duties.
I
She
confronts
very
unsettling
situations
involving
animals
and
pet
owners
and
the
homes
that
those
pets
are
kept
in
and
I
just
want.
I
just
want
to
acknowledge
Riley,
because
no
one
ever
mentions
her.
You
know
and
working
with
Riley
she.
She
treats
these
somewhat,
sometimes
very
awful
situations
with
compassion
and
tenderness
and,
of
course
follows
the
law
in
her
performance
of
her
duties.
But
she
is
incredibly
capable
of
being
able
to
confront
these
different,
very
difficult
and
unsettling
situations,
and
she
has
the
most
calm,
demeanor
very
professional
way
of
handling
it.
I
And
what
what
got
me
here
is
that
I
feel
like
this
is
another
portion
of
our
Code
of
Ordinances.
That
needs
substantial
revision
and
work.
I
would
say
that
when
compared
to
some
of
the
others,
other
local
governments
we're
missing
out
on
a
lot
of
the
sections
that
enable
our
coding
our
animal
code
officers
to
perform
their
work
and
I
think
some
of
our
fines
are
too
low.
So,
of
course,
that's
foreign
purposes
of
enforcement
and
to
encourage
people
to
do
the
right
thing.
I
I
I
think
we
need
to
provide
our
code
officer
with
more
authority
and
enable
them
enable
him
or
her
to
do
the
job
that
they
need
to
do
in
the
field
and
I
feel
like
Riley
has
expressed
to
me
that
some
of
her
counterparts
and
other
local
governments
feel
much
more
empowered
by
their
animal
code
and
Riley
is
somewhat
disarmed
in
what
she's
able
to
do
because
of
our
code.
It's
it's
a
little
deficient
in
several
in
many
areas.
I
It's
also
very
it's
a
confusing
code
in
that
there
are
some
sections,
of
course,
that
are
carryovers
from
1955,
and
then
there
are
some
sections
that
are
you
know
more
recent
2015
or
so,
but
there
are
sections
that
don't
fully
or
address
at
all
the
enforcement
procedure.
The
fine
procedure
fees
are
fine
scheduled.
It
doesn't
describe
how
in
in
what
manner
the
animal
code
an
officer
can
issue
a
fine
and
then
the
perhaps
an
authority
of
the
special
magistrate
to
review
any
of
the
fines,
and
it's
just
lacking
it's
lacking
a
lot.
I
For
example,
the
City
of
Jacksonville
has
a
very
substantial
animal
code.
Now
they
have
sections
that
we've
most
likely
won't
touch
on.
They
have
sections
that
we
don't
need
to
incorporate
microchipping
racing
dogs,
education
programs,
swine
and
livestock
sellers
and
breeders.
So
we
don't
need
to
be
61
pages,
but
the
other
sections
of
the
City
of
Jacksonville
animal
code
that
would
translate
well
to
the
City
of
Jacksonville
Beach.
I
Those
I
could
incorporate
into
an
ordinance
to
bring
to
the
council,
along
with
taking
comments,
of
course,
from
our
sergeant
from
Riley
and
I've,
already
asked
them
for
their
input
and
they've
begun
begun.
Providing
me
with
that,
but
before
I
go
further
and
to
read
them,
you
know
redrafting
a
whole
animal
code.
I
wanted
to
bring
some
of
those
concerns
out
to
the
council,
so
that
the
council
can
give
me
an
instruction
to
draft
a
much
more
substantial
ordinance
that
empowers
and
authorizes
our
animal
code
officers
to
do
their
job.
I
The
way
that
she's
expressed
to
me
that
she
needs
to
be
able
to
do
it
to
benefit
the
city
and
also
for
us
to
have
greater
sections
that
the
citizens
can
understand
and
answer
some
of
their
questions
about,
for
example,
what
our
next
topic
will
be
about
leash
laws
and
what
can
like
what
the
dogs
on
beach
rules
and
laws
are,
and
so
that
goes
hand-in-hand
with
the
discussion
we'll
have
about
the
leash
requiring
dogs
at
large
dogs
on
each's.
But
I.
E
One
of
the
things
I
will
mention.
That's
that
I
think
we
need
to
look
at
because
I
brought
this
up.
I
requested
some
I
did
a
public
records
request
because
we
have
a
licensing
program,
but
apparently
we
don't
have
very
good
compliance
with
a
licensing
program
and
I
would
like
to
get
Riley's
input
on
this.
How
effective
the
licensing
program
is?
Does
it
is
it?
Does
it
add
any
value?
E
Is
it
something
that
we
really
need,
or
can
we
accomplish
what
we
need
to
accomplish
in
other
ways,
because,
based
on
the
public
records
request,
I
did
if
you
were
to
look
at
the
number
of
households
that
we
have
in
Jax
beach
we've
an
estimate.
A
census
estimate
is
about
ten
thousand
nine
hundred
and
seventy
and
based
on
the
AVMA,
the
AVMA
estimates.
The
57%
of
households
have
pets,
and
if
you
were
to
apply
that
number
to
our
households,
then
that
would
be
over
six
thousand
pets
in
our
community.
E
However,
the
most
licenses
we've
ever
sold
have
been
three
hundred
and
fifty-seven,
and
that
was
in
2011.
Our
licenses
are
maybe
two
or
three
dollars
because
I,
you
know
I,
my
husband
I
get
a
get
a
license
for
our
dog,
because
our
understanding
was
that
that
helps
the
animal
control
officer.
If
our
dog
ins
up
in
the
shelter
but
I
know,
we
also
have
microchips
now
and
we
have
other
ways
to
identify
who
that
pet
may
belong
to,
and
then
we
also
got
some
from
the
public
records.
E
E
So
either
we
have
an
opportunity
to
do
a
better
job
with
our
licensing
program
and
get
more
animals
in
our
community
license,
so
that
it's
effective
and
and
it
potentially
generates
revenue
in
a
in
a
positive
way,
not
because
we're
out
trying
to
make
money,
but
because
we
are
trying
to
discourage
irresponsible
pet
ownership
or
we
find
another
way
to
do
what
we
need
to
do
so.
I
I
support
us
looking
at
our
animal
ordinances
very
closely
and
and
also
looking
at
the
licensing.
E
K
K
What
owner
has
a
tag
of
watchdog,
which
animal
and
half
the
time
they
don't
actually
write
their
phone
numbers
down,
so
I
have
no
way
of
getting
in
contact
with
them
to
tell
them
that
hi
I
have
your
dog,
so
it
really
does
not
serve
much
of
a
purpose
for
us
and
I.
Don't
really
think
much
people
know
about
it,
so
they
don't
even
know
they
have
to
have
their
dogs
or
cats
registered
as
well
as
most
of
the
beaches.
K
F
Just
wanted
to
agree
I
think
in
general,
we're
a
pet,
loving
community,
but
I.
Think
this
council,
in
particular,
is
a
pet.
Loving
group
of
people.
I
want
to
nominate
Sandi
to
be
an
expert
resource
for
you,
Kristen
Riley,
because
sound
like
she's
she's
done
a
lot
of
this
legwork
already,
but
I
wanted
to
bring
up
the
interlocal
agreement.
I'm,
not
an
expert
on
this
I
would
I
would
defer
to
Sandy
as
she's,
probably
a
much
more
familiar,
but
I've
always
heard.
The
animal
control
is
a
big
tough
to
sit
there.
F
I
don't
know
if
that's
just
a
lost
cause
or
if
it's
even
worth
bringing
up
at
this
point,
but
I
don't
want
to
just
give
up
on
responsibilities
that
the
county
is
supposed
to
have
have
if
there
is
an
opportunity
to
rebalance,
but
it
may
not
be
worth
it,
but
I
just
wanted
to
bring
it
up.
At
this
point.
A
That's
something
that
Chris
and
I
can
take
a
quick
look
at
from
an
operational
perspective
along
with
Riley's
input.
You
know.
Clearly
the
inner
local
does
say
that
animal
control
is
the
City
of
Jacksonville
operating
as
Duval
County.
The
question
is
whether
or
not
the
level
of
service
that
they're
providing
to
Jacksonville
Beach
is
lower
than
what
they're
providing
to
the
rest
of
the
county.
If
it's
comparable
and
we
just
have
a
higher
standard
than
we
can
supplement
that
standard.
If
it's
lower,
then
the
argument
can
be
made
to
the
county.
E
Have
a
quick
follow-up
on
that,
so
the
City
of
Jacksonville
and
Reilly
may
know
the
number,
but
I
want
to
say
they
have
15
or
17
animal
control
officers
at
the
most
to
cover
the
entire
county
of
Jacksonville,
and
we
I
think
our
experience
in
the
past
has
always
been
that
the
level
of
service
that
we
would
get
here
is
lower.
If
I
think
we
just
need
to
make
sure
that
that
the
the
parts
that
they
that
we
would
like
to
have
them
do
are
enforced.
I
Let
me
just
if
I,
just
one
quick
thing
for
Riley
Riley,
the
recent
event
with
the
cats
and,
let's
not
say
the
name
of
the
owner
or
the
property
address,
but
the
recent
situation
with
the
large
number
of
cats
that
issue
the
city
of
Jackson,
we'll
help
you
with
that.
E
Hi
everybody
they
did
the
first
step
with
getting
some
of
those
cats
out
of
there.
They
did
come
out.
They
scheduled
with
Riley
to
come
out.
They
worked
in
conjunction
and
getting
those
camped
out,
and
they
have
been
since
then
seen
medically
and
then
released
out
now
this
go-round
we're
still
working
with
them
on
that.
Okay.
I
So
I
just
wanted
to
answer
the
counselors
just
discussion
on
that
was
that
it
seemed
that
Riley
had
to
community.
You
know
once
Riley
communicated
with
the
City
of
Jacksonville
all
officers.
They
did
a
sister
in
a
recent
incident
that
involved
a
cat
14
incident,
so
they
were
helpful
once
she
reached
out.
E
And
I
would
just
say
that
we
had
a
cat
hoarding
incident
in
Neptune
Beach
and
that's
kind
of
how
it
worked
out
to
the
you
know.
City
of
Jacksonville
did
help,
but-
and
it's
probably
in
the
same
way,
that
that
they've
been
working
with
us
on
this
on
this
incident.
But
the
preliminary
work
is
or
a
lot
of
the
work
is
done
by
our
animal
control
officer,
and
then
we
can
call
them
in
for
for
additional
support,
which
is
important,
especially
if
you
have
a
hoarding
situation.
D
First,
apologize
for
walking
out
that
was
mayor,
curry,
but
I
kind
of
needed
to
take
that
call.
I
I
missed
a
lot
of
what
was
said,
but
I
just
want
to
say:
let's
give
Riley
the
authority
she
needs
to
do
the
things
that
she
needs
to
do
to
keep
the
animals
safe
in
our
community
I'm.
You
know
my
wife
and
I
are
very
big
animal
lovers.
I
know
sandy
is
too
and
Chris
is
too.
D
If
you
see
animals
in
the
back
of
a
vehicle
and
those
types
of
things,
I
mean
don't
want
to
be
able
to
support
her
and
make
good
intelligent
decisions
and
protect
our
animals,
I'm
also
wide
open
to
Chris
and
again
I
apologize
if
I'm
repeating
anything,
that's
already
been
said,
but
giving
you
the
ability
to
go
back
and
take
a
look
at
what
works
best
for
us.
I
know
that
the
there
was
an
issue
not
too
long
ago.
D
A
I
So
we
will
get
to
work
on
revising
our
animal
code
and
the
next
topic
on
animals
is
the
beach
dogs
on
beach
dogs,
on
leashes
on
beach
and
then
dogs
at
larger
in
general.
In
the
public
and
I
was
when
Mike
and
I
talked
about
the
briefing
topics.
We
made
sense
that
there
were
some
City
Council
members
that
wanted
to
get
some
information
about.
This
Mike
has
issued
some
emails
on
it
and
I'd
be
glad
to
discuss
those
items
for
you.
A
Think
what
we're
really
looking
for
here
is
some
policy
direction
from
Council
as
to
how
Chris
should
we
write
the
the
codes
or
the
ordinances
that
he's
tackling
when
it
comes
to
pets
on
leashes?
We
have
and
crisp
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
with
any
of
this,
we
have
one
code
that
stipulates
any
dogs
anywhere
in
the
city
or
any
any
pets
anywhere
in
the
city
must
be
on
a
leash,
the
only
time
they
can
be
off
of
the
leashes
if
they're
on
your
own
personal
private
property
or
they
are
in
the
city's
dog
park.
A
A
There
has
been
some
issue
over
the
the
number
of
years
that
this
one's
been
in
place
where
there
has
been
I,
don't
know
if
the
right
way
to
say
it
is
just
a
practice,
but
the
practice
of
the
city
has
been
if
the
pet
is
in
the
water,
whether
that's
in
the
surf
or
actually
in
the
water.
There
has
not
been
an
enforcement
of
the
requirement
to
be
on
the
leash.
A
If
council
tells
us
that
its
policy
initiative
is
that
all
pets
must
be
on
leashes,
unless
they're
on
private
property
or
in
the
dog
park,
then
we
will
make
sure
that
Chris
rewrites
those
codes
so
that
they
are
very
explicit
and
give
everyone
from
Riley
through
the
police
department
to
enforce
what
they
need
to
enforce.
But
we
really
need
to
hear
from
you
what
your
intention
is
specific
to
being
on
a
leash
in
locations
within
the
city.
G
G
I
If
it
reads
this
is
this
is
section
5,
2
8,
it's
called
leash
required
for
dogs
in
public
places,
and
it
states
that
no
dogs
shall
be
allowed
in
public
places
such
as
hotels,
theatres,
streets
or
upon
property
other
than
that
of
its
owner,
unless
the
dog
shall
be
fastened
to
a
suitable
leash
of
dependable
strength,
not
to
exceed
8
feet
in
length
within
the
city.
So
actually
the
way
that
this
reads,
your
your
friends,
private
property,
doesn't
fall
into
this
category.
I
This
requirement,
okay,
yeah
and,
and
then
the
second
part
of
that
section
is
that
then
the
physical
boundaries
of
the
dog
park
in
Wingate,
Park
dogs
may
be
allowed
off
leash
by
their
owner
or
handler
so
long
as
the
owner
or
handler
remains
at
all
times
within
the
physical
boundaries
of
the
dog
park
and
maintains
control
of
the
dog
at
all
times.
That
comprises
our
entire
at
what
should
be
known
as
our
at-large
or
public
leash
law.
Those
two
brief
sentences
and
I
could
develop
that
much
more
and
clearer.
G
I'd
like
to
I'd
like
to
have
the
dog
bag
dispensers,
maybe
attached
to
the
wooden
garbage,
can
holders
on
the
beach
and
when
they
and
those
get
replenished
because
I
mean
I,
see
a
lot
of
people.
I
get
asked
at
least
once
a
week
from
somebody
asking
if
I
have
an
extra
bag-
and
you
know
sometimes
people
run
out
or
they
forget,
or
they
bring
the
wrong
leash.
But
that's
one
of
the
places
that
I'd
like
to
I,
don't
think
the
cost
is
that
much
I
think
it.
It
helps
clean.
Keep
our
city
clean.
G
I
Atlantic
Beach,
for
example,
has
a
law
called
leashing,
titled
leashing
and
says
no
dogs
shall
be
allowed
off
the
property
of
its
owner
unless
the
dog
is
fastened
to
a
suitable
leash
of
dependable
strength,
not
to
exceed
twelve
feet
in
length.
Such
leash
must
be
attached
to
a
fixed
object
or
held
by
a
person
capable
of
controlling
the
animal
on
Atlantic
Beach.
If
the
dog
and
owner
are
in
the
ocean
together,
the
dog
shall
be
allowed
to
swim,
Unleashed
and
then
immediately
put
back
on
the
leash
before
returning
to
the
beach.
I
I
I
There's
exceptions
for
dogs
involved,
essentially
in
law
enforcement
activities
or
training
for
tracking
that
type
of
exception,
but
otherwise
they
are
saying
that
no
dog
shall
be
allowed
off
of
the
property
of
its
owner
unless
it's
leased.
So
that's
similar
to
what
Jacksonville
Beach's
the
requirement
is
is
that
the
dogs
must
be
leased
and
when
they're
off
the
property,
they
must
be
leashed
when
in
public
places
now
melanic
Beach
has
the
carve
out
sentence
there.
G
F
Just
gonna
point
out
that
I
think
the
length
of
the
leash
is
gonna
be
an
issue
because
ours
currently
says
eight
feet
and
the
two
that
you
just
referenced,
say:
12
feet
and
there's
some
controversy
related
to
the
retractable,
leashes
and
I.
Don't
think
we
necessarily
want
to
make
a
statement
on
on
that
as
the
city,
but
that's
just
something
to
think
about.
I
think
that
I
don't
see
a
lot
of
people
out
swimming
the
coast
with
their
beak
with
their
dog
right
now,
so
I.
F
Don't
think
that
the
leash
law
needs
to
be
needs
to
exempt
those
people
I
think
mostly.
What
we're
seeing
are
the
people
that
I've
talked
to
that
think
that
they're
exempt
from
the
leash
law
when
their
dog
is
in
the
water
is
their
dog,
is
in
two
inches
of
water
and
then
running
out
and
fetching
a
tennis
ball
and
coming
back,
that
dog
should
be
on
a
leash.
F
In
my
opinion,
if,
if
they're
in
the
water
and
not
in
a
full
swim,
then
they
can
easily
get
back
on
the
beach
and
and
run
and
attack
another
dog
or
whatever,
that
the
other
concerns
are
with
the
leash
law.
So
I
would
like
us
to
tighten
that
up
as
well
as
be
really
consistent
with
our
enforcement
of
that
one.
D
With
what
Krista
said,
you
know
the
concern
that
I
have,
like
you
said:
you're,
not
gonna,
see
people
out
there
swimming
with
their
dog
99%
of
the
problem
that
we
have
are
throwing
tennis
balls
into
the
ocean
and
the
dogs
running
in
and
running
back
out,
and
you
know:
I
look
exam
dog
learner
dogs
most
my
life
they've
never
been
violent,
but
that's
it
happens.
It
happens
where
these
guys
go
out
there,
dog
gets
threatened
or
a
dog
doesn't
want
to.
D
D
With
regard
to
Corey's
comment
about
the
going
to
the
neighbor's
yard,
you
know
I'm
kind
of
okay.
With
that
I
don't
know
we
can
put
something
in
the
in
the
instruction
or
that
ordinance.
That
would
say
something.
The
effect
is
as
long
as
you
have
written
permission
or
another
private
business
or
another
private
property
owner
to
use
their
property
and
something
along
those
lines,
but
yeah
it's
it
for
me
with
the
leash
on
the
beach
to
me.
It's
an
all-or-nothing
thing.
G
I
agree
with
the
mayor
also
I
mean
that's
really.
The
issue
on
the
beach
is
that
the
dogs
off
the
leash,
and
that's
why
you
know
I,
want
to
address
the
time
constraints
on
the
beach
for
six
months
of
the
year.
It
seems
pretty
arbitrary
if
your
dog
is
on
a
leash.
If
you
can
take
them
to
a
city
park,
you
can
walk
them
on
any
other
city
property
at
all.
G
You
know,
I
mean
what
is
why
are
we
doing
it
for
the
for
the
safety
of
people,
because
there's
a
lot
of
people
or
are
we
doing
it
for
the
protection
of
the
animal
I?
Believe
that
and
I
you
know,
I
can
ask
Riley
about
this
as
well?
Is
that
there
are
if
a
pet
owner
is
taking
their
dog
to
the
beach
on
the
hottest
day
of
the
year
and
putting
it
in
a
health
issue?
That's
a
problem
with
the
pet
owner.
G
G
Good
I
think
there
was
four
dog
bites
of
another
know
of
for
dog
bites
over
the
last
two
years
and
six
citations,
leash
violation,
citations
and
44
hours
occupied,
but
I'd
like
to
come
up
with
a
clearer
and
using
some
scientific
knowledge
and
say
okay.
This
is
why
it's
hot
in
this
area,
try
to
figure
out,
you
know:
are
we
protecting
the
dog?
Are
we
protecting
the
the
people
or
what
are
we
trying
to
do.
J
I'm
saying
I'm
in
support
of
just
a
leash
law
period,
12
feet
and
I.
They
should
be
able
to
go
on
the
beach
any
time
if
they're
controlled
by
the
owner.
In
my
opinion,
I
I,
don't
know
why
we
say
otherwise
so
and
the
whole
water
thing
clean
that
out,
but
strictly
schwa
provision
not
long
leash,
because
that
does
affect
the
safety
for
people
when
they
have
a
retractable
leash.
That's
30
foot
long
and
their
dogs
running
down
the
beach,
so
that
does
become
a
safety
hazard.
J
H
Thank
you,
the
the
time
the
six
months
on
and
off
was
not
arbitrary.
The
council,
when
they
voted
for
the
having
the
Dobson
at
least
24
hours
a
day
for
six
months
a
year
dealt
with
daylight
savings
time,
so
people
could
still
walk
their
dogs,
not
in
the
dark
in
the
morning
and
in
the
evening,
so
it
wasn't
arbitrary
at
all,
I
think
when
we're
looking
at
the
summer.
There
are
two
issues:
is
the
health
of
the
dog
very,
very
hot?
H
It
can
be
very
hot,
but
there's
another
issue
where
I'll
be
just
kind
of
crowded
in
the
12th
foot.
Leash
is
a
rather
long
leash
and
that
invades
space
and,
like
we
all
I,
believe
we
all
here-
love
animals.
There
are
people
who
are
terrified
of
animals
and
that
they
should
be
able
to
enjoy
the
beach
just
as
much
as
people
who
love
animals
without
the
fear
of
a
dog.
H
Even
the
friendliest
dog
they
just
are
very
scared
of
animals,
so
I
would
stay
with
the
six
months
on
six
months
off
clean
up
the
know
clean
up
the
leash
law
of
water,
all
that
stuff,
but
I
would
not
opt
for
24/7
all
year.
Long
I
think
the
six
months
on
and
off
work
currently
as
long
as
all
the
dogs
stay
on
their
leash.
G
Well
and
then
sandy
to
the
south
of
us
we're
Ponte
Vedra
is
they
allow
their
pets
on
the
beach
24
hours
a
day
down
there
throughout
it,
I
mean
I'd
like
to
maybe
talk
to
Neptune
Beach
about
you
know
getting
in
line
with
with
Atlantic
Beach
and
coming
up
with
something
that
all
three
Beach
communities
can
agree
to.
So
there
wouldn't
be
anything
different.
I
mean
it's.
G
It's
it
bothers
me
when
you
know
I've
talked
to
people
that
have
that
have
moved
from
Jacksonville
Beach
to
Atlantic
Beach,
just
so
they
wouldn't
be
able
to
take
their
dogs
on
the
beach
there's
from
a
heat
perspective.
You
know
there
might
be
a
you
know,
certain
days
that
that
you
know
exist
ill-advised
to
take
a
dog
on
the
beach,
because
it's
not
safe
for
them.
It
would
be
ill-advised
to
take
a
child
on
the
beaches
or
a
baby.
G
I
mean
it's
a
I,
think
that
there's
it
is
should
be
on
the
owner
and
I
think
that
the
laws
about
dog
safety
and
cruelty
to
animals,
if
there's
a,
if
there's
a
problem,
it
could
be.
It
there's
already
enough
there
and
I'm
concerned
that
that
it's
a
little
a
little
bit
of
overreach
to
add
additional
additional
rules
on
it,
because
a
lot
of
people
just
about
everybody
I
know
that
live
on
lives
on
the
beach
has
a
pet,
and
you
know
if
it's
on
a
leash
and
they
are
in
control
of
it.
G
A
A
F
I
wanted
to
say:
I
was
someone
who
was
very
involved
in
the
most
recent
change
to
our
dog
on
the
beach
hours,
and
it's
definitely
the
second
most
controversial
issue.
I've
ever
been
involved
in
and
the
second
highest
amount
of
comments
and
phone
calls,
and
the
main
problem
was
that
people
were
not
abiding
by
the
leash
laws
as
they
were
currently
in
place,
and
people
were
scared
of
that
just
becoming
into
a
24/7
thing
during
the
winter
months.
F
I
think
that
was
a
huge
change,
though,
to
allow
dogs
on
the
beach
during
the
winter
and
I
think
it
was
a
big
difference
and
I
think
it
was
very
well
appreciated
by
the
dog
owners
Cory.
You
said
the
residents
of
Jacksonville
Beach
should
be
able
to
bring
their
dog
on
the
beach,
but
that's
not
what
we're
talking
about
this
would
be.
Anybody
could
bring
their
dog
on
the
beach
in
the
summer
months.
F
They
can
already
be
out
there
until
9:00
and
after
5:00
and
I
do
not
support
changing
this
and,
in
fact,
I
would
oppose
changing
the
dogs
on
the
beach
hours
during
the
summer.
At
this
point,
oh
and
I
did
want
to
say:
I
do
think
that
we
should
work
towards
giving
Riley
more
bite
to
her
Burke
I'm
working
on
that
one.
Okay,.
F
K
So
that's
definitely
something
that
needs
to
happen
if
they
were
to
change
the
hours
as
well
as
making
sure
that
the
owners
have
to
bring
water
for
them
as
well.
But
I
can't
exactly
comment
on
much
of
that,
because
I
haven't
been
able
to
be
on
the
beach
in
Jax
beach
yet
for
the
summer
months.
So
thank.
G
You
but
hearing
that
during
the
summer
and
during
the
spring,
there
are
lots
of
days
where
there's
nobody
on
the
beach
there,
the
weather's
overcast
there
is
there
any
way
that
we
can
write
April
a
provision
into
it
to
when
there's
not
a
crowd,
I
mean
I
can't
take
my
it's
it's.
It
was
70,
it
was
70
degrees
or
65
degrees.
Today
and
there's
hardly
anybody
on
the
beach
and
granted.
G
We
could
take
them
now,
because
we
have
the
exercise
stuff
in
place,
but
typically
this
time
of
year,
I
could
not
I
can't
take
my
dog
on
the
beach
and
is
there
any
Kris?
Is
there
any
way
that
we
could
create?
Is
there
any
way
to
come
up
with
some
kind
of
restriction
instead
of
just
saying
it's
all
or
nothing.
G
Right
now,
there's
six
months
a
year
that
we're
not
that
from
9
a.m.
to
5
p.m.
they're
not
allowed
on
the
beach,
but
it
seems
like
you
know,
if
the.
If
the
concern
is
there's
going
to
be
lots
of
people
on
the
beach
and
it's
dangerous
for
people
or
it's
gonna,
be
really
hot
and
bad
for
the
dog
there's
times
when
there's
nobody
on
the
beach
and
and
there
and
the
heat
is
not
is
not
in
the
situation
where
it's
dangerous
to
the
dog
I
mean
is
Riley
still
ticketing
Pierre.
They
are.
I
H
Would
I
would
suggest
against
that
just
because
it
becomes
very
unwieldly
for
the
average
person
in
public
as
long
as
we
stick
with
daylight
savings
time,
there's
some
kind
of
a
bounds.
But
what
do
you
consider
too
hot,
too
cold
of
Mexico?
What
do
you
consider
too
hot?
What
do
you
consider
too
crowded?
Are
we
supposed
to
go
out
there
and
measure
the
distance
between
people
on
the
beach?
H
So
there's
the
yes,
you
could
write
an
or
it
you
can
write
the
ordinance
in
such
a
way,
but
it's
not
enforceable
when
written
in
such
a
way.
So
a
I
agree
with
just
keeping
it
the
six
on
six
off
and
you
brought
up
Ponte
Vedra.
But
when
you
look
at
Ponte
Vedra,
Neptune,
Beach
and
Atlantic
Beach,
they
don't
have
the
public
parking
and
that
makes
Jax
beach
very
unique
in
that
and
I
think
just
being
able
to
line
up
with
Neptune
Beach
is
was
pretty.
H
I
Mean
I'll
I'll
mention
to
the
council
that
for
all
of
the
jurisdictions
that
we've
researched,
including
the
Atlantic
Beach,
Neptune,
Beach,
st.
Johns,
County,
Flagler,
Bernardino,
Beach,
Amelia,
Island,
Nassau,
County,
I,
think
there's
one
or
two
more
none.
None
of
them
seem
to
have
that
type
of
situation.
I
Neptune
Beach
offers
that
the
there's
a
particular
one
part
of
the
year,
it's
a
time
frame
and
then
the
other
part
of
the
year
it's
a
time
frame,
but
otherwise
they
are
all
very
strict,
its
uniform
and
you
annually
the
entire
year.
It's
the
same,
and
they
all
require
the
dog
to
be
leashed
at
all
times.
A
I
Think
I
needed
to
be
summarized
because
I
heard
a
lot
of
different
opinions,
but
I
need
a
majority
from
the
council,
I
I
guess
to
move
forward
working
with
Riley
and
in
in
in
the
to
set
the
two
sections
which
are
the
leash
law
at
large
in
public
and
then
there's
the
dogs
on
beaches.
Leash
law,
in
whichever
way
the
council
wants
me
to
go
with
those
two
particular
sections
as
a
majority,
all
glad
to
rework
that
as
part
of
the
overall
working
of
the
animal
code.
G
Not
saying
obviously
I'm
not
advocating
for
that
at
all
I'm,
just
saying
if
you,
if
you,
if
you
saw
that
okay.
G
A
A
At
that
point,
there's
no
print,
then
your
your
neighbors
tree,
overhanging,
your
private
property,
that's
a
private
property
issue
that
the
city
is
not
necessarily
involved
with.
So
maybe
we
need
to
sculpt
some
language
specifically
to
that
or
I
should
say,
focus
on
the
public
realm
and
other
private
properties
that
are
open
to
the
public
as
opposed
to
a
true
private
property
like
a
residence
but
I.
Think
we've
I
think
we've
got
a
lot
there
and
we'll
kick
it
over
to
councillor
Nichols
under.
E
Well,
one
thing
I'd
like
to
add
and
I
wish:
there
were
some
way
that
we
could
do
this,
because
I
know
that
Riley
can't
be
everywhere
all
the
time
we
currently
have
our
citizens
on
patrol
or
we
have
all.
Actually
it
may
just
be
any
of
our
volunteers
that
take
the
ATV
out
on
the
beach
and
patrol
the
beach
on
a
regular
basis
on
the
weekends
and
I
would
I
would
guarantee
that
they,
probably
because
they
cannot
issue
citations.
All
they
can
do
is
educate.
E
This
is
no
criticism
to
to
Riley
or
our
police
department,
but
you
know
they
can't
be
there
all
the
time
and
unfortunately,
people
take
advantage
of
it
whenever
there's
not
somebody
around
and
they
let
their
dogs
off
leash.
And
then
we've
got
issues
with
people
that
are
afraid
of
the
dogs
or
kids
or
or
the
problem
that
we've
had.
We
don't
take
our
dog
to
the
beach
anymore,
because
our
dog
has
been
bitten
twice
by
off-leash
dogs
and
and
and
it
was
because
the
dog
ran
up
to
her
and
the
owner
every
time
said.
E
Oh,
my
dogs
never
done
that
before.
Okay,
well,
great,
that
doesn't
change
anything
because
now
my
dog's
been
bitten
and
we
didn't
call
animal
control
because
you
know,
unfortunately,
the
other,
the
owner
just
took
their
dog
and
went
away.
But
it's
it's
a
problem
and
it
happens.
A
lot
so
I
mean
I,
I'm,
just
I'm,
trying
to
say
that
I
that
that
if
we
had
the
ability
to
issue
citations
more
often,
we
would
probably
see
that
we
would
have
a
higher
number
of
citations
as.
G
Could
I
say
one
thing,
just
a
question:
cuz
I
know
you're
going
into
this
meeting
about
it.
I
was
on
the
beach
yesterday
and
I
was
at
the
I
was
at
the
POW
the
park
on
the
south
end
there,
the
scape,
the
skatepark,
was
in
full
use.
Yesterday,
the
basketball
court
there
was
full
a
full
game
going
on
and
just
around
the
pier
I
saw
at
least
a
hundred
people
on
blankets
or
chairs,
not
not
actively
applying
complying
to
what
your
ordinance
says.
I,
don't
let
you
know.
D
G
A
I
I
G
G
A
Think
we've
got
enough
information
to
work
with
on
this
particular
item
and
I,
don't
see
any
more
hands
raised
so
well,
we'll
try
to
wrap
up
this
briefing
at
this
point.
It's
quarter
after
8:00.
We
did
get
a
lot
accomplished
tonight.
I
appreciate
the
counsel,
bearing
with
us
not
not
easy
doing
a
virtual
briefing
on
such
weighty
topics,
but
again
they
thank
you
all
for
your
participation
in
this
tonight.