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A
November
22nd
council
briefing,
we
have
three
items
scheduled
for
discussion
with
you
tonight,
the
first
one
being
the
use
of
funds.
Over
the
past
couple
of
months,
we've
actually
brought
two
items
for
you
for
approval.
Both
of
them
were
to
receive
funds
from
two
different
governmental
entities.
The
first
was
to
receive
5.9
million
dollars
for
years,
one
tranche
from
the
federal
government
through
the
state's
department
of
emergency
management,
and
then
at
our
last
council
meeting,
you
authorized
the
execution
of
the
interlocal
agreement
with
the
city
of
jacksonville
for
an
additional
three
million
dollars.
A
The
federal
guidelines
that
have
been
provided
would
normally
allow
for
2024
as
the
incumbent
state
in
2026
for
full
expenditures.
As
we
discussed
at
the
council
meeting,
the
three
million
dollars
from
the
city
of
jacksonville
does
have
an
expenditure
requirement
within
fiscal
year
2022,
which
means
over
the
next
10
months.
We
have
to
spend
all
three
million
dollars
of
the
city
of
jacksonville's
money
that
they're
giving
us
the
5.9
million
that
we're
receiving
from
the
federal
government.
A
The
documents
that
we've
provided
with
you
are
are
three-fold.
The
first
is
the
actual
memo,
but
then
we
also
provided
you
with
a
couple
of
options:
priority
one
and
priority
two
options:
that
staff
worked
out
internally
for
proposal
to
you
for
consideration.
A
In
taking
a
look
at
what
the
majority
of
cities
around
the
state
are
doing
and
taking
a
look
at
where
we
had
some
needs
specifically
on
the
infrastructure
side.
You'll
see
that
in
priority
one
proposals
that
we're
putting
forward
to
you,
a
lot
of
it
is
based
on
infrastructure
needs
and
expenditures
that
the
city
has
slated
now
through
the
next
couple
of
years,
specifically
on
the
water,
wastewater
and
sewer
side,
we
did
take
a
look
at
some
of
the
other
things
that
are
on
this
list
and
for
various
reasons,
we
did
not
go
down.
A
The
road
on
those
particular
items,
we'd
be
happy
to
discuss
them
with
you.
If
you
want
to
get
into
it,
but
basically
we're
looking
for
some
feedback
from
city
council.
We
do
have
ashley
gossett
our
cfo
on
the
line,
who
is
familiar
with
the
federal
policies
of
what
we
can
and
can't
spend
the
money
on.
A
One
of
the
things
I
I
would
point
out
is
that
that
three
million
dollars
and
having
to
expend
it
by
the
end
of
the
fiscal
year
in
10
months
means
that
we
would
probably
be
looking
at
some
infrastructure
projects
that
are
currently
ongoing.
The
federal
guideline
document
allows
you
to
take
a
look
at
projects
that
stated
that
started
as
early
as
march
3rd
of
this
particular
year.
A
B
Yeah,
mike
I
mean,
would
you
mind,
you
said
you'd
be
glad
to
talk
about
some
of
these
some
of
these
categories
and
and
maybe
why
we're
not
you
know
looking
at
projects
in
some
of
those
categories,
I
think
that'd
be
good
to
hear.
A
Absolutely
the
first
one
with
regards
to
supporting
public
health
expenditures.
A
When
you
took
a
look
at
some
of
the
things
that
are
in
there,
it
appeared
to
be
geared
more
towards
health
departments
or
county
governments,
or
very
large
cities
that
have
their
own
health
department
that
would
be
working
on.
We
did
not
feel
that
we
were
large
enough,
nor
did
we
have
the
programs
in
place
where
we
could
adequately
make
a
meaningful
impact
in
that
particular
category.
A
A
There
were
a
couple
different
rounds
of
business
grants
that
were
actually
done
through
the
city
of
jacksonville
for
all
of
duval
county,
and
we
feel
that
a
lot
of
the
businesses
that
had
been
impacted
during
the
first,
the
first
portion
of
the
pandemic
when
the
state
of
florida
was
still
closed,
had
the
opportunity
to
receive
those
funds
at
the
county-wide
level.
And
again,
we
don't
necessarily
have
the
staffing
in
place
or
the
existing
programs
to
supplement
some
of
those
that
larger
cities
and
or
counties
would
have
from
a
direct
payment
to
individuals
perspective.
A
While
we
did
have
specific
line
items
that
had
reductions
in
revenue,
specifically
things
like
local
option,
gas,
tax
or
tourism
taxes,
there
were
other
portions
of
our
revenues
that
actually
continued
to
climb,
specifically
with
regard
to
property
taxes
and
some
others.
So
when
you
looked
at
the
formulas
that
were
provided
at
the
federal
level,
it
was
pretty
much
a
wash.
We
didn't
really
have
the
losses
that
other
communities
in
the
state
or
other
cities
across
the
country
would
have
necessarily
had
because
of
the
revenue,
stability
and
some
increases
that
we
saw
in
other
areas.
A
A
It
was
taxable
it
was
a
one-time
payment
and
there
is
the
possibility
they
may
do
that
again
in
year,
two,
our
neighbors
to
the
north
atlantic,
beach
and
neptune
beach,
are
not
looking
to
use
theirs
on
premium
pay
at
this
point
in
time.
If
that
is
something
that
the
council
wanted
to
explore,
I
would
say
that
the
tact
that
the
city
would
use
would
be
the
same
should
be
the
same
as
others,
which
is
that
the
entire
organization
should
be
viewed
as
essential
workers.
A
Since
they
were
all
required
to
continue
working
during
the
pandemic
item,
5
investing
in
water
sewer
and
broadband
infrastructure,
the
broadband
element
of
that
particular
item
is
to
try
and
provide
high
speed,
internet
reliability
and
availability
in
areas
across
the
country
where
it's
not
currently
available.
Here
within
jax
beach,
we
actually
have
a
few
different
providers
for
that
service.
A
A
We
need
to
provide
an
inventory
of
all
of
our
stormwater
system
by
june
of
this
upcoming
year,
so
we
have
a
lot
of
work
to
do
in
that
element
and
there
therefore
you're
seeing
a
lot
of
projects
pop
up
under
priority,
one
that
are
related
to
those
water
and
sewer
expenditures
when
it
comes
to
so
that
walks
through
those
five
in
particular.
A
A
So
in
taking
a
look
at
the
way
the
arpa
document
is
written,
we
could
use
funding
to
make
improvements
to
or
expand
the
carver
center.
We
also
feel
that
we
could
expand
the
pedestrian
connectivity
in
and
around
the
carver
center
to
different
amenities,
including
the
beam
facility
to
the
south
or
the
commercial
districts
to
the
north,
and
maybe
some
of
the
trail
segments
that
are
within
that
particular
area.
A
C
A
No,
we
don't.
Obviously
the
improvements
to
the
potable
water
system
could
be
substantial
if
we
wanted
to
try
and
do
a
lot
of
them
at
one
time.
The
hydraulic
model
is
probably
one
of
the
smaller
elements
that
you
see
on
there,
along
with
the
cyber
security
improvements.
The
big
question
mark
is
the
carver
center.
E
Okay,
perfect
first
question
is:
I
have
on
the
eligible
projects
with
the
water
and
sewage
can
any
of
this
any
of
these
tie
into
the
the
discharge
water
that
bill
that
passed
by
the
state?
We
have
to
look
into
a
way
of
dis
of
disposing
water
into
the
river
or
the
intercoastal.
A
I
know
ashley's
on
the
call
if
we
were
to
hire
a
consulting
engineer
to
start
doing
some
feasibility
studies.
Those
studies
could
be
paid
for
out
of
the
arpa
funds.
Is
that
correct
ashley?
Yes,
that's.
B
A
E
A
Again
again,
we
the
guidelines
the
way
they're
written
it's
for
essential
workers.
If
council
wanted
to
explore
that
option,
my
recommendation
would
be
to
consider
it
for
the
entire
organization
and
then
you'd
have
to
give
us
an
idea
of
what
you
would
like
to
see
for
a
premium
pay
allocation
again.
The
city
of
jacksonville
did
a
flat
fee
of
2500
per
employee.
A
G
I
just
wanted
to
say
in
general,
I
really
like
this
list.
It's
big
long-term
projects
that
benefit
the
entire
city,
and
I
just
want
to
appreciate
ashley
and
her
team
for
countless
conference,
calls
and
webinars
to
make
sure
that
we're
really
above
board
in
the
process
and
procedure
for
being
able
to
spend
this
money
appropriately.
So
thank
you
for
that.
A
Thank
you
mayor
and
council
golding
before
we
jump
over
to
you.
One
thing
I
was
reminded
of:
if
council
wanted
to
go
down
the
road
of
premium
pay
that
is
also
viewed
as
a
negotiable
benefit
to
those
employees
that
are
covered
by
union
contracts.
B
Sorry
had
to
take
myself
off
meet
yeah
and
follow
up
to
what
the
mayor
said.
Thank
you
ashley,
and
to
everyone
who
has
put
so
much
time
into
this.
I
just
wanted
to
mention
to
everyone
that,
and
I
think
chet
was
there
too.
I
attended
the
florida
league
of
cities,
legislative
conference
and
they
had
a
session
about
navigating
arpa
and
they
had
several
cities
who
spoke
and
talked
about
what
they're
doing
with
the
arpa
funds,
and
a
lot
of
them
are
doing
infrastructure
type
work.
B
There
was
one
city
I
was
talking
to
mike
about
this.
There
was
one
city
who
took
the
same
position
that
mike
mentioned
as
far
as
essential
workers
that
if
they
did
premium
pay
that
they
would
that
they
felt
all
employees
were
essential
workers
right
and
it
was
seminal,
but
otherwise
for
the
most
part,
there
are
a
few
cities
that
were
looking
at
doing
broadband
type
type
stuff
as
well,
but
just
wanted
to
share
that
with
everybody
so
that
it
at
least
you
know
that
it.
D
Yeah,
I
think
the
only
thing
that
I'd
be
concerned
about
is
is
finding
out
what
those
financial
benchmarks
look
like
I
mean.
Obviously,
we
can
kind
of
get
a
little
bit
of
an
idea.
Just
by
looking
at
the
the
magnitude
of
the
project,
I
wouldn't
mind
seeing
at
least
a
look
at
what
the
premium
pay
would
be
and
what
what
the
financial
impact
would
be
on
it
as
well,
if
nothing
else
for
an
educational
purpose,.
C
C
B
So
we
have
337
full-time
employees
and
another
136.
C
Can
you,
with
the
part-time,
the
part-time
employees,
be
be
able
to
get
the
hazard
pay
as
well?
We
would.
A
C
C
E
A
Attention
is
really
more
for
the
rural
areas
of
the
state
or
in
this
case
rural
areas
of
the
country,
because
this
was
written
as
a
federal
guideline
to
make
sure
that
those
areas
that
currently
don't
have
reliable
and
fast
internet
access
can
get
that
access
from
a
from
a
public
perspective
here
in
jackson.
A
That
system
that
you're,
referring
to
is
our
own
private
system
at
this
point
in
time,
but
clearly,
there's
xfinity,
att
verizon
that
have
fiber
lines
all
throughout
the
city
at
this
point
in
time.
So
again
we
we're
not
sure
that
that
would
really
meet
the
intent
for
us
to
pay
for
our
private
system.
With
that.
C
And
mike
just
to
expand
on
that,
I
mean
after
that's
gone
through
the
infrastructure.
Bill's
passed,
that's
got
60
billion
dollars
to
to
meet
those
internet
broadband
needs
in
rural
areas.
So
I
think
those
will.
I
yeah,
I
don't
think
that's
a
viable
option
at
this
point
in
time
it's
already
been
taken
care
of
somewhere
else.
C
A
See
head's
nodding,
okay,
you
know,
obviously,
as
time
goes
by.
You
know
now
that
you've
got
an
idea
of
what's
in
those
priorities
and
what
are
the
different
options
the
council
wants
to
explore
things.
You've
always
got
the
opportunity
to
to
bring
it
up
and
go
in
that
direction,
but
again
we're
going
to
start
working
on
some
infrastructure
projects
immediately
to
spend
the
city
of
jacksonville's
money
and
start
looking
at
some
other
projects
as
well,
and
if
council
wants
to
give
us
some
alternate
direction
over
time,
just
feel
free
to
bring
it
up.
A
I
Thank
you,
sir,
and
good
evening,
council.
When
we
had
lost
met
on
the
subject,
I
think
it
was
back
in
august.
The
direction
we
got
from
council
was
that
we
needed
to
do
more
research
and
gather
more
data
on
on
this
project,
specifically
more
community
outreach,
which
we
did
all
of
those
efforts.
I
think
validated
our
original
finding
in
that
there
were
four
specific
items
that
recurred
over
and
over.
I
You
know
from
those
surveys
and
those
were
shade:
the
an
upgrade
to
the
playground,
equipment,
also
new
restrooms
or
upgraded
restrooms,
and
then
a
walking
jogging
trap
a
track
around
the
the
facility,
and
then
there
were
a
lot
of
other.
You
know
items
that
you
know
we
kind
of
gathered
and
fed
that
to
the
consultant.
I
I
We
on
on
the
design
itself.
We
got
about
100
responses,
98
to
be
exact,
and
we
asked
a
simple
question:
do
you
like
the
design,
and
you
know,
if
not
what
would
you
change
over
80
percent
validated
the
design
saying
they?
They
love
the
design.
There
were
a
few
other
comments
that
said.
Well,
you
know
things
like.
Could
we
add
a
second
volleyball
court,
or
could
we
add
some
lights
to
the
volleyball
and
things
like
that
and
so
subsequent
to
that,
the
consultant
made
just
a
few
small
tweaks
to
that
design.
I
He
put
the
tree
barrier
on
along
10th
street
on
the
outside
of
the
walking
track
to
give
it
a
bit
more
protection,
and
then
he
also
added
a
spot
in
the
south
east
corner
for
golf
cart,
parking
and
those
were
essentially
the
the
tweaks
that
he
made.
So
we
bring
in
that
design
to
council
asking
you
know:
does
council
approve
and
if
so,
we'll
move
forward
with
some
bid
specifications,
so
we
can
get
it
out
to
bed.
A
D
I
just
wanted
to
say
jason
yeah,
you
and
your
team
have
done
a
fantastic
job.
This
has
been
long,
long
overdue
and
I,
like
everything
I
see,
I
think,
we're
ready
to
pull
the
trigger
and
move
forward
with
it
and
let's
get
this
ball
rolling
yeah.
So
I'm
I'm
in
support
of
what
you've
done.
Thank
you.
B
B
I
know
you
guys
put
a
lot
of
time
into
that,
but
that
was
fruitful
because
there
were
a
lot
of
people
who
just
don't
do
the
online
and
the
website
and
facebook
and
everything
that
didn't
know
about
it
and
they
participated
in
that
community
meeting
because
they
talked
to
me
about
it
and
said
yeah.
I
didn't
even
know
this
was
going
on,
so
you
guys
did
a
great
job.
B
I
want
to
say
that
I
I
loved
seeing
the
golf
cart
parking
added
and
I
loved
seeing
all
the
bike
racks,
because
I
think
there
were
additional
bike
racks
that
were
added.
I
don't
know
if
you
could
tell
us
how
many
parking
spaces
there
are
car
parking
spaces.
There
are
now
as
well
as
do
we
have
any
idea
how
many
bikes
would
be
accommodated,
but
it
looks
like
it's
more
than
enough.
B
So
that's
not
a
big
deal,
but
the
only
other
comment
that
I
would
make
is
that
you
know
the
walking
track
on
the
11th
street
north
side.
That's
along
the
ball
field.
I
I'm
just
concerned
that
we
could
potentially
still
have
the
same
issue
that
we
were
going
to
have
on
10th
on
the
10th
street
side,
with
cars
parking
in
the
grass
there
and
then
obstructing
the
pat,
the
walking
path.
And
so
my
only
thought
was
why
why?
B
Wouldn't
we
just
move
those
trees
that
are
on
the
east
side
of
the
walking
path
to
the
west
side
of
the
walking
path,
and
maybe
that
might
help
to
prevent
cars
from
parking
on
the
walking
path.
But
I
think
for
the
most
part,
the
people
that
have
provided
comments
on
this
as
well
have
have
had.
You
know
real
positive
comments
on
on
this
design.
So
I
I
feel
good
about
moving
forward
with
it.
I
Thank
you,
miss
golding.
Yes,
it
would
be
easy
to
move
the
trees
over
or
just
add
more
trees
to
the
other
side
of
the
path.
To
answer
your
other
questions,
no,
I
don't
know
how
many
bike
racks,
but
certainly
we'll
have
plenty
of
space
to
add
if
needed.
I
C
Jason
back
to
what
sandy
was
saying,
it
looks
in
the
drawing
that
I
see
that
it
almost
looks
like
curving
gutters
added
on
11th
street
south.
That
would
keep
the
cars
from
parking
in
that
area.
I'm
not
sure
if
that's
the
case,
but
that's
also
an
alternative
to
moving
the
trees.
C
The
next
question-
I
know
we
talked
about
it
briefly,
but
on
the
athletic
field,
is
the
artificial
turf
like
we
have
on
the
south
part
of
jacksonville.
Is
that
cost
prohibitive?
I
know
long-term
maintenance,
it
would
save
money,
but
did
we
were
we
able
to
price
that
out
instead
of
putting
the
field
because
in
the
the
baseball
diamond
the
the
clay?
That's
there,
you
know
if
it's
not
taken
care
of
and
not
drug
regularly,
it
becomes
pretty
difficult
to
play.
I
Absolutely
we
looked
mr
nichols
at
and
we'd
love
to
see
an
artificial
turf
because
it
saves
a
lot
of
in
labor
and
and
costs
maintenance-wise.
I
The
unofficial
quote
that
we
got
is
about
a
million
dollars
to
do
the
field
in
artificial
turf,
that's
not
to
say
that
it
closes
the
door
for
us
I'd
like
to
think
that
we
at
parks
are
going
to
be
innovative
and
aggressive
going
after
other
types
of
funding.
In
addition
to
that,
to
look
at
ways
use
our
resources
that
we
have
here
at
sunshine,
the
people
that
had
built
that
park
previously
that
have
experience
in
raising
funds
to
try
and
use
this
project
to
raise
some
funds.
So
we
will
look
at
that.
C
No,
absolutely
because
I
know
the
community
loves
the
one
at
the
other
end
and
it
makes
the
baseball
diamond
area
usable
for
other
stuff
at
other
at
other
times,
when
it's
not
being
used
for
that.
Yes
and
just
and
then
obviously
the
transplanting
of
weeds
and
and
and
stickers,
and
a
lot
of
other
things
get
in
there.
But
you
know
I.
I
would
definitely
like
to
look
into
that
option
if
possible,
but
I
think
I've
done
a
great
job
and
I
appreciate
it.
Thank
you.
I
Not
difficult
at
all
mike
I'm
even
even
envisioning
doing
this
in
phases,
so
each
phase
in
essentially
an
alternate
to
the
bird.
So
yes,
okay,.
G
I
mean
we're
making
some
pretty
big
improvements
and
changes.
Maybe
we
want
to
parcel
those
out
over.
You
know
the
next
few
years,
but
I
just
want
to
say
I
am
so
much
more
pleased
with
this
one
than
the
first
round
this
one
definitely,
I
think,
gets
the
park
a
little
bit
more.
We
saw
that
at
the
community
meeting
out
at
the
park
that
almost
everyone
that
was
there
raised
their
hand.
When
I
said,
can
you
walk
or
bike
here?
G
So
it's
truly
a
neighborhood
park,
and
I
think
this
gives
it
so
much
more
of
that
function
that
I
know
we
were
looking
for
and
it's
not
trying
to
be
everything
to
everybody.
I
know
the
first
couple
comments
were:
can
we
get
a
splash
pad?
You
know?
Can
we
get
a
dog?
You
know
run
around
think
so
we,
it
can't
be
everything
to
everybody,
but
I
think
this
really
captures
the
majority,
especially
of
the
people
that
are
in
that
walking
running
bike
riding.
I
love
the
golf.
Cart
parking,
that's
fantastic!
G
I
am
still
not
totally
convinced
on
the
track
all
the
way
around,
but
I'll
go
with
it.
Just
for
the
in
the
interest
of
just
overall,
I
think
this
is
a
really
great
plan.
I
think
it's
going
to
be
much
much
needed.
Improvement
for
that
park
is
and
then
the
only
other
question
I
know
we've
had
some
feedback
with
regards
to
losing
the
second
ball
field.
G
I
Good
question:
yes,
as
I
said,
looking
at
innovative
solutions,
north
florida
girl,
softball
use
that
predominantly
for
their
practices.
We
have
talked
with
them.
They
indicate
that
they
would
prefer
not
to
use
gonzales
and
stay
at
at
wingate,
so
currently
at
wingate.
What
they
have
is
one
and
a
half
fields.
I
If
we
can
make
that
half
field
a
whole
field,
they're
telling
us
that
that
could
that
that
would
accommodate
them.
How
we
do
that,
we
we
you
have
a
project
where
we're
gonna,
replace
all
the
fencing
at
wingate
this
year.
We
may
incorporate
some
innovation.
I
They
can
have
it
or
does
it
mean,
move
some
landscaping,
so
we
can
create
that
or
does
it
mean
we
revise
our
adult
softball
league
so
that
we
can
accommodate
them
on
an
adult
field?
We'll
look
at
all
of
these
things.
What
we
want
to
assure
all
those
that
use
the
field
that
nobody
is
going
to
be
disenfranchised
by
the
reimagining
of
gonzales
park.
G
I
Well,
I
mean
we
do
have
a
lot
of
use
there
and
they
are
starting
the
nfl
flag,
which
is
something
they've
done
for
the
first
time
and
then,
together
with
that,
we've
got
a
kickball
league
that
uses
that
field.
Okay,.
E
Jason,
all
I
can
say
is
that
it's
a
very
good
design
I
enjoy
it,
I'm
looking
forward
to
it
and,
unlike
just
like
my
other
colleagues,
I'm
ready
to
move
forward
with
this.
I
love
the
pickleball
quartz.
I
don't
know
if
you've,
if
any
of
you
guys
have
driven
by
south
beach
parkway,
but
every
time
I
drive
the
pickleball
courts
are
packed
and
people
are
waiting
to
play,
love
the
volleyball
court,
but
the
playground.
I
Well,
that's
a
good
question
too.
Mr
meza.
I
think
you
know,
for
that.
We
would.
It
would
be
prudent
for
us
to
go
back
to
the
community,
our
them.
You
know
for
their
input
there,
but
I
think
councillor
golding
also
suggested
you
know.
Can
we
incorporate
some
of
our
beach
themes,
which
would
make
sense,
but
largely
we
will
leave
it
to
the
community
to
help
direct
us
with
that.
E
Okay
and
then
just
the
comment
or
concern,
I
know
with
the
upgrades
gonzalez
park-
is
getting,
it
will
probably
attract
a
lot
of
traffic.
Have
we
thought
about
how
to
mediate
those
problems?
Besides
the
golf
cart
and
the
bike
racks,
I
mean
I'm
assuming
with
on
a
busy
summer
day,
the
basketball
court,
the
playground,
pickleball
courts,
the
volleyball
courts,
the
baseball
courts,
I
mean
they
were
all
all
of
those
will
be
filled
and
we
thought
about
being
proactive
in
the
future.
Once
this
park
starts
to
get
real
busy
like
sunshine
park,.
I
Well,
I
mean
this
park.
Hopefully
it
will
have
the
same
problem
that
sunshine
has
would
or
south
beach
park
it.
It's.
We
are
running
out
of
parking
space
and
you
know,
as
in
talking
with
kevin
brown.
He
was
you
know,
saying
that
here
at
the
beach
space
is
a
commodity,
that's
becoming
very
rare.
I
E
Yeah,
well,
I
guess
that's
the
part
of
having
a
successful
park
in
the
south
end,
so
love
the
design
ready
to
move
forward
with
it
good
job
jason
and
to
your
team
as
well.
Thank
you.
B
Yeah,
just
a
quick
follow-up
and
to
mr
meza's
point-
and
I
think
the
mayor
touched
on
this-
I
think
we
hope
that
this
will
be
more
of
a
community
park
that
people
will
be
walking
to
or
riding
their
bikes
or
golf
carts.
B
The
intention
is
not
really
to
make
it
a
destination
like
like
south
beach
park,
so
hopefully
we
won't
have
quite
the
issues
with
the
traffic
that
they
have
at
south
beach
park.
I
mean,
I
think
the
pickleball
courts
are
probably
going
to
bring
people
in
that.
Don't
live
in
the
neighborhood,
but
other
than
that
you
know,
and
the
ball
fields
do.
We
know
the
ball
field
does
do
that,
but
anyway,
hopefully
it
it.
B
B
There
was
a
couple
other
comments
I
wanted
to
make,
because
I
I've
kind
of
been
following
this,
but
I
don't
know
how
many
people
know
that
aarp
has
livable
has
like
a
livable
communities,
focus
that
they
are
doing,
because
it's
all
about
making
communities
places
that
people
can
age
in
place,
and
so
they
provide
a
lot
of
recommendations,
and
I
shared
some
information
with
jason
that
there's
a
publication
they
put
out
about
parks
and
creating
parks
for
people
of
all
ages
and
one
of
the
things
that
they
said
in
that
publication
is
if
everything
we
do
in
our
public
spaces
is
great
for
an
eight-year-old
and
an
80
year
old.
B
Then
it
will
be
great
for
people
of
all
ages
and
I
think
we've
done
a
pretty
good
job
with
gonzales
park.
If
anything.
My
only
other
comment
and
I'd
mention
this
to
jason,
and
I
don't
know
if
there's
a
way
to
do
it,
but
maybe
because
I've
heard
people
say
that
they
go
there
with
their
grandkids
and
they
watch
their
grandkids,
and
you
know
maybe
a
little
more
seating
for
grandparents.
B
That
might
you
know
want
to
be
hanging
out
and
watching
their
grandkids
play
or
whatever,
if
there's
just
some
little
pockets
or
places
that
we
could
put
some
additional
seating
and
then
the
other
thing
that
was
mentioned
in
that
in
that
publication
about
parks
was
you
know,
the
exercise
areas
are
great,
but
a
lot
of
times.
Those
exercise
areas
can
be
geared
towards
like
a
certain
age
or
a
certain
segment
of
the
population.
B
So
when
we
start
looking
for
things
that
we
want
to
put
in
that
exercise
area,
I
would
just
ask
that
we
make
sure
that
it's
stuff
that
maybe
can
be
used
by
broad
age
of
people.
You
know
not
just
not
just
the
bodybuilders
or
the
young,
you
know
the
young,
the
young
people,
but
some
of
us,
older
people,
maybe
would
be
great.
B
But
anyway,
I
just
wanted
to
add
that
and
if
anybody's
interested
it's
pretty,
it's
pretty
darn
interesting.
If
you
go
to
the
aarp
site
and
just
search
for
livable
communities,
they
have
a
lot
of
really
good
information
there,
and
I
would
hope
that
doing
what
we're
doing
with
the
urban
trail
master
plan.
That's
going
to
help
make
us
more
of
a
livable
community
too.
C
Yeah,
that
was
the
point
I
was
going
to
bring
up
with
fernando
that
sandy
just
brought
up
that
our
urban
trail
system
will
hopefully
leave
a
lot
of
the
parking
to
where
people
will
be
able
to
communicate
with
our
interconnectivity
between
our
our
parts.
People
will
be
able
to
you,
know:
they're
not
going
to
be
driving
and
parking
they're
going
to
be
they're
going
to
be
on
bicycles.
C
I
think
that's
that'll
be
a
positive
thing
for
our
community.
The
other
thing
jason
is
the
the
sidewalk
area
and
the
path,
the
jogging
path.
When
you
put
it
out
for
for
big,
can
you
include
a
like
a
smoothness
factor
in
the
for
the
trail?
So
if
people
do
want
to
rollerblade
or
or
do
something
else
that
you
know
they're
going
to
be
able
to
to
do
it,
so
it's
not
like
super
bumpy.
So
it's
it's
smooth
asphalt.
I
C
C
E
Yes,
I
forgot
a
couple
things:
jason
sandy
brought
it
up
on
11th
street,
where
those
palm
trees,
if
we
could
move
it
to
the
other
side
of
the
path
to
block
parking
and
also,
I
guess
we
could
curve
people
from
parking
there.
If
we
had
curb
I'm
assuming
cory
nico
said
it
looks
like
a
curb
sidewalk
on
there
and
I'm
assuming
probably
if
that's
done,
people
will
still
probably
park
on
the
side.
We're
probably
gonna
add
no
parking
site,
no
parking
signs
on
that
side.
My
assuming
that
it'll
happen.
C
E
And
then
the
second
thing
I
just
drove
by
gonzales
park
earlier
today
and
the
sign
made
some
tlc
is
that
going
to
get
an
upgrade.
I
D
Yeah
just
one
last
thing
and
maybe
maybe
kind
of
silly,
but
I'm
going
to
piggyback
off
of
what
councilman
nichols
said.
As
far
as
maintenance
is
concerned
in
the
athletic
field,
the
baseball
diamond,
I
see
the
fence
going
all
the
way
around.
Just
make
sure
we've
got
some
maintenance
access
points
so
that
so
that
if
the
equipment
necessary
to
keep
up
that
diamond
can
be
handled.
A
F
Thank
you
mike
good
evening,
mayor
and
council
for
this
item.
We're
bringing
this
to
you
because
several
months
ago
we
received
an
application
for
a
pud
zoning
for
the
property,
the
entire
block
that
is
immediately
adjacent
to
the
south
to
gonzales
park.
The
application
went
through
a
few
rounds
of
review
with
the
applicant
and
staff
was
not
able
to
find
it
sufficient
for
a
couple
of
reasons
that
are
noted
in
your
staff
memo,
one
of
them
being
that
the
proposed
buildings
were
encroaching
into
required,
corner
site
visibility
triangles
and
the
other.
F
The
other
issue
was
that
they
were
not
providing
an
on-site
public
utility
easement,
that's
required
by
beach's
energy
policy.
So
after
a
few
meetings
with
the
property
owners
and
developer,
we
just
weren't
able
to
come
to
a
resolution
and
they
proposed
the
idea
of
requesting
that
the
city
vacate
10
feet
of
right
of
way
on
both
the
north
and
south
sides
of
the
city
block
that
they
own
and
want
to
redevelop.
F
So
the
city
manager-
and
I
wanted
to
bring
this
to
you
guys
for
discussion-
there's
a
little
bit
more
details
in
the
staff
report,
but
essentially
what
they
are
proposing
originally
was
40
feet,
simple
townhomes,
I
believe
now
they've
decreased
that
number
to
38.
F
Are
there
just
a
few
changes,
so
steph
hasn't
had
a
chance
to
fully
review
this
and
provide
any
comments
on
it,
since
we
did
get
it
this
afternoon,
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions
that
you
guys
have
about
their
proposed
project
and
their
site
plan,
and
I
believe
that
mike
sent
this
all
to
you
guys
after
we
received
it
this
afternoon.
H
Hi
heather,
I
have
a
more
of
a
statement.
H
F
A
Yeah,
to
put
some
clarity
on
that,
I
was
at
a
meeting
with
the
applicant
public
works
and
beaches
energy
at
the
beaches
energy
conference
room
when
we
indicated
that
the
site
triangle
and
the
beaches
energy
policy
were
still
going
to
be
roadblocks.
It
was
that
time
that
the
development
team
said
they
had
one
last
option
to
try
and
move
forward
with
this
particular
project,
and
they
asked
us
how
we
felt
about
vacating,
right-of-way,
north
and
south
of
the
block.
H
Okay,
thank
you
and
then
I
was
on
the
planning
commission
and
we
are
the
board
that
puds
have
to
go
through
planned
unit
developments
and
to
the
best
of
my
recollection,
this
could
have
happened
earlier.
H
I've
never
seen
a
pud
for
a
one
block
designation
and
if
you
look
into
the
pud
it
looks
like
the
pud's
idea
is
to
do
what
normal
puds
do
would
be
to
be
able
to
read
plat
I'll
get
to
that
in
a
second,
but
also
to
be
able
to
work
around
our
regular
ldc.
H
So
if
you
look
at
the
townhouse
units,
it's
not
just
six.
It's
seven
units
in
a
row
instead
of
the
six
which
is
required
by
our
ldc,
never
mind.
You
know
lot
coverage
and
things
such
as
that
I
am
uncomfortable
with
just
them
applying
for
a
pud
to
be
able
to
do
what
they
are
trying
to
do.
H
H
So
I'm
I'm
relatively
uncomfortable
with
the
precedence
this
would
set
as
as
well
as
what
they
are
trying
to
do
and
how
they
are
trying
to
do
it
again.
I
don't
recall
a
pud
ever
being
one
block,
just
one
block
of
development.
It
may
have
happened
in
the
past,
but
I
I
don't
recall
it
and
I
was
on
the
planning
commission,
I
guess-
for
about
six
or
so
years.
H
H
H
I
am
well
aware
of
jwb's
rental
properties
and
they
are
not
affordable,
and
so
I
don't
see
how
allowing
these
units
into
the
city
help
alleviate
the
lack
of
affordable
housing
or
help
to
propel
the
city
to
achieve
what
its
ultimate
vision
is.
D
Yeah,
so
in
looking
at
the
the
latest
revision
of
the
site
plan-
and
I
kind
of
got
it
at
the
last
minute
this
afternoon-
so
I
didn't
really
get
to
dive
into
it
deeply.
It
looks
like
they
addressed
the
issue
of
the
the
site
triangles
at
all.
D
The
corners,
which
was
one
of
the
issues
that
I
saw,
was,
was
a
problem,
so
that
has
been
addressed
at
least
from
what
what
I
could
tell,
secondly,
that
the
the
release
of
the
are
vacating
the
of
way,
if
that's
just
to
put
in
electrical
feed.
What
are
the
consequences
to
the
city
if
they
leave
that
as
green
space?
A
I
don't
believe
we
have
alan
putnam
on
the
line
and
I'm
not
sure
that
dennis
was
here
when
those
projects
were
performed.
So
I'm
not
sure
we
can
answer
that
question
for
you
tonight.
D
C
Oh,
I
forgot
well,
first
of
all,
I'd
like
to
find
out
currently
without
going
through
this
pud
process.
What
can
they
currently
put
there
because
it's
zoe
in
its
own
height
high
density
residential?
C
C
You
know
if
we
do,
if
we
do
end
up
allowing
this,
I
also
wonder:
could
I
mean
it's
gonna?
It
would
have
an
hoa
associated
with
it.
So
I
I
don't
think
they're
all
gonna
be
because
there's
gonna
be
a
pool
and
everything
with
it
too
so
can
we
work?
C
Can
we
require
the
hoa
to
do
a
couple
different
things
like
make
sure
that
all
the
rule,
you
know,
even
if
they're
fee,
simple,
that
the
that
the
hoa
controls
the
roofs,
so
they
all
match
to
to
resolve
that
and
then
also
have
a
minimum
time
that
they
could
for
rental,
so
we
could
potentially
avoid
short-term
rentals
in
those
locations.
C
You
know
my
understanding
is
that
that
if
they
put
apartments
there,
I
think
they
can
put
50
apartments,
something
like
that
based
off
of
the
based
off
of
the
the
size
of
it,
and
I
don't.
I
don't
think
that's
really
what
we're
looking
for
either
in
that
area
so
and
I
guess
if
they
would
the
other
option
well,
first
of
all
the
apartments
that
are
there
right
now,
I
think
there's
are
there
20
units
there
right
now?
F
I
did
not
count
that
up,
but
I
can
try
to
do
that
real
quickly.
C
I
believe
there's
either.
I
think
there's
either
16
or
20,
something
like
that.
So
it's
a
net
increase
a
net
increase
and
then
also
I
mean
my
understanding
is
the
price
point
on
those
is
probably
going
to
be
in
the
600
000
area.
So
I
mean
I
would
like
to
see
people
purchase
them.
As
you
know,
livable
places
they're
going
to
live
and
at
600
000
a
unit.
I
don't
know
how
that
really
becomes
a
real.
C
The
price
point
converting
those
to
rentals
will
be
substantially
high
you're,
including
an
hoa
fee
in
there
and
stuff
as
well.
So
I
guess
my
main
question
is:
what
are
the
alternatives
that
they
can
easily
do
without
going
through
this
process?
C
C
Is
that
something
we
I
mean
that's
a
potential
direction?
They
could
go
other
than
apartment.
So
if
heather,
if
you
know
what
the
current
alternatives
are
at
this
point,
I'd
be
interested
in
knowing
and
then
I
guess
the
other
thing
is
that
not
having
private
utilities
on
city
property.
C
C
Is
preferable
to
turn
that
over
to
the
property
owner,
so
the
city
won't
have
to
deal
with
it,
but
can
you
check
and
find
out
what's
done
in
the
rest
of
the
in
the
rest
of
the
state?
I
mean
if
it's
a
policy
and
they're
having
to
go
through
turning
it.
Turning
over
that,
wouldn't
it
just
be
easier
to
modify
that
policy
if
it's
not
a
big
impact
to
the
city,
so
I
guess
those
are
my
two
main
questions
is
checking
that
and
then
what
else
currently
can
be
put
there?
F
F
The
the
lot
on
the
north
east
corner
is
vacant,
so
I
don't
know
how
many
apartments
used
to
be
there,
but
I
know
it
was
a
pretty
big
building.
F
I
believe
they
can
put
around
55
multi-family
units
there,
based
on
the
density
allowed
in
the
plan
and
the
land
development
code.
I
haven't
seen
an
alternative
site
plan
for
what
a
different
configuration
of
townhouses
might
be,
but
they
could
do
buy
right,
townhouses
or
multi-family
to
the
land
development
code
if
they
weren't
going
to
rezone
to
planned
unit
development.
So
again,
those
are
the
options,
but
their
density
is
limited
to
a
maximum
of
40
dwelling
units
per
acre.
C
Okay-
and
it's
just
it's
like
an
acre
and
a
quarter,
so
I
think
it
is
about-
I
think
it's
50
to
55
units
that
they
could
put
there
and
I'd.
Much
personally,
I'd
prefer
to
see
nazi
apartments.
There
I'd
rather
see
condos
town
homes
that
people
are
going
to
own
with
an
hoa
that
would
keep
everything
maintained
well,.
B
Thank
you.
So
the
question
that's
before
us
is
there
an
expectation
that
new
development
or
redevelopment
should
be
fully
compliant
with
city
codes.
B
Without
the
city
being
asked
to
vacate
right-of-way
my
answer,
there
is
yes,
I
I
don't
believe
in
setting
a
precedent
that
we
would
vacate
right
away
to
a
developer
and
to
mr
nichols
comments
and
questions,
I
did
talk
with
the
developer
and
they
told
me
that
their
model
for
this
development
would
be
like
the
cottages
that
are
in
atlantic
beach
and
those
are
all
rental,
they're
town
homes
that
are
rented
so
and
my
understanding
is
that
that's
that's
the
model
for
the
other
town
homes
that
jwb
has
developed
in
jack's
beach,
and
so
I
don't
know
that
would
be
a
question
for
the
developer.
B
But
I'm
not
aware
there
wasn't
anything
discussed
about
hoas
or
anything
like
that
other
than
they
just
said
that
their
model
is
that
the
cottages
in
atlantic
beach.
So
I.
B
That
they
definitely
need
to
you
know:
property
developers
need
to
develop
within
our
land
development
code,
especially
if
they
are
starting
from
ground
zero.
There's
not
really
anything
that
creates
a
hardship
for
them
if
they
are
developing
the
entire
lot
or
the
entire
block.
D
Yeah,
so
a
couple
other
things
I
noticed
on
the
revised
site
is
that
there
would
be
quite
a
bit
of
additional
public
parking
provided,
namely
on
the
gonzales
park
side
as
well,
which
kind
of
would
help
to
the
gonzales
park
parking
issue,
there's
also
an
additional
parking
that
looks
like
across
the
10th
street
side
and
then
I'm
not
so
sure
I've
got
the
answer
to
vacating
that
right
away,
because
that
answer
couldn't
be
given
at
this
point.
D
D
You
know
we
don't
want
to,
I
don't
know,
we
don't
want
to
cut
off
our
nose
to
spite
our
face
in
this
where
you
know
and
they
turn
around
and
develop
something
that
we
don't
want,
but
I
don't
know,
I
think
we
we
have
to
give
some
more
consideration
and
really
look
into
this
a
little
bit
further.
A
E
E
Just
a
couple
things
I
have
to
agree
with
all
my
colleagues.
Obviously,
obviously,
concern
is
the
parking,
especially
with
gonzalo
park
just
across
the
street.
E
I
know,
and
just
something
that
I
thought
about
over
the
weekend
is
a
lot
of
the
big
automotive
groups
are
getting
rid
of
the
small
compact
vehicles
and
are
now
going
to
be
making
suvs
and
pickup
trucks,
and
eventually
all
the
small
cars
will
fade
away,
except
for
the
luxury
brand.
So
that's
something
to
think
about
in
the
future
too.
Now,
if
obviously,
corey
brought
it
up,
if
some
something
this
doesn't
go
through,
what
else
can
go
there?
E
C
C
Even
if
the
policy
of
the
city
wasn't
there,
it
was
going
to
be
green
space
anyway
in
the
right
of
way
it's
just
going
to
have
buried
utilities
on
it,
and
it's
just
depending
on
who
who
owns.
It
is
my
thing,
so
I
guess
my
question
mike
is:
what
is
the?
Why
is
that
a
policy
about
putting
the
putting
the
utilities
on
the
right-of-way
we
allow,
comcast
and
and
att
and
and
other
entities
to
place
utilities
on
right-of-way
what's
wrong
with?
C
Why
is
that
policy
in
existence,
and
wouldn't
it
be
easier
just
to
just
to
modify
that
policy?
A
I'd
have
to
get
with
director
putnam
on
that
to
find
out
the
basis
for
the
policy
so
yeah.
It
may
be
specifically
on
multi-family
or
commercial
grade
projects,
as
opposed
to
single-family
residential,
but
I
don't
know
I'll
have
to
I'll
have
to
check
with
them.
On
that.
C
Okay,
so
I
mean
before
I
could
really
answer
the
question
about
vacating
the
right
of
way.
I
I'd
really
like
to
know
those
answers
and
get
a
little
more
clarification
on
on.
Why?
Because
my
understanding
is
not
that
way,
you
know
elsewhere
and
I
want
to
get
the
right
project
in
there
and
I
just
I
I
mean
I
think
it
would
be
a
disaster
if
we
ended
up
with
a
50
unit
or
55
unit
apartment
complex
in
there.
C
You
know
I
want
to
make
this
into
a
community
where
people
are
going
to
stay,
and
I
you
know
I
know
miss
golding
brings
up
some
cottages
or
something
in
atlantic
beach
that
I'm
not
aware
of,
but
I
do
know
that
I
mean
that
the
ones
the
places
that
jwb
or
whatever
as
built
in
jacksonville
beach,
a
lot
of
them,
are
sold
a
lot
of
them,
have
sold
and
are
not
just
used
as
rentals.
C
I'm
not
sure
I
mean
if
I'm
incorrect
I'd
like
somebody
to
clarify
that
as
well,
but
at
the
price
point
they're
at.
I
would
think
that
yeah
I
don't.
I
don't
know
how
I
don't
know
my
my
understanding
is
that
they're
planning
on
selling
them
and
not
just
using
them
as
rentals.
H
Thank
you.
First
off
it
doesn't
matter
what
the
price
point
is.
If
the
price
point
is
high,
that
just
means
that
they
put
that
many
more
people
in
it
to
be
able
to
rent
them
for
the
to
be
able
to
pay
off
that
price
point
legally,
we
can't
say
you
can
have
the
right
of
way
if
you
sell
them,
if
you
want
to
rent
them,
you
can't
have
that.
That
is
not
a
legal
justification
that
we
can
have.
That's
something
that's
out
of
our
scope.
H
So
we
have
to
look
at
this
proposal
as
regardless
of
whether
they
are
going
to
sell
them
or
they
are
going
to
rent
them.
What
is
the
public
benefit
of
vacating
the
right-of-way
in
here?
I
have
not
seen
a
good
argument
for
what
that
public
benefit
is
to
the
vacation
of
the
right-of-way.
H
The
there
has
been
no
public
purpose.
Mr
nichol
notes
the
right
project
and
he
doesn't
want
apartments
there.
You
can
argue
that
apartments
could
possibly
be
workforce
housing,
and
that
is
something
that
we
are
trying
to
get
more
of,
and
that
would
be
the
project
that
we
are
looking
for
versus
very
expensive.
Townhouses
that
are
being
rented
out
that
then
go
above
that
price
point
again
legally.
We
can't
say
that
you
can,
or
you
cannot
have
this
based
off
of
whether
you're
going
to
rent
or
you're
going
to
sell.
H
So
we
have
to
look
at
what
we
are
able
to
do
within
the
law
as
well
as
what
the
framework
is
that
we're
currently
working
within.
I
have
not
seen
any
mention
of
an
hoa
and
again
there's
no
there's,
no
criteria.
That
says
it
has
to
have
an
hoa
or
it
doesn't
have
to
have
an
hoa
bringing
me
back
to
my
without
that
hoa.
H
When
we
look
at
apartments,
apartments
have
to
have
the
same
amount
of
have
to
have
that
parking
and
the
parking
has
to
be
all
on
site.
And
in
this
proposal
the
parking
is
on
site.
H
But
if
you
look
at
the
parking,
it
does
not
necessarily
look
as
though
it's
going
to
be
easy
parking,
and
so
the
20
units
that's
going
to
be
on
the
streets,
will
most
likely
be
used
by
the
people
who
live
in
those
units,
not
the
public,
and
you
can
look
at
a
similar
development
which
was
apartments
at
blue
water
and
there
they
have
a
lot
of
parking
with
a
parking
garage
there.
H
But
there
is
a
lot
of
overflow
parking
as
well
into
the
neighborhoods,
and
I'm
going
to
put
this
out
there,
that
for
people
who
are
watching
you
know,
elections
have
consequences,
and
so
you
really
should
be
thinking
about
the
future
of
the
city.
When
you
are
voting
on
individuals
to
represent
what
your
best
interests
are.
C
I'd
like
to
rebuttal
on
that
really
quick,
I
apologize,
but
there
is
public
purpose
or
that
was
included.
There's
20
something
parking
parking
spaces
that
are
being
added,
so
no
public
purpose
is,
is
false
and
then
also
the
hoa
information
is
in
the
text
of
the
pud.
B
I
just
wanted
to
follow
up
on
a
couple
of
things:
real
quickly:
the
public
purpose
or
significant
public
purpose
criteria,
the
additional
parking
spaces-
and
this
has
been
said-
I
believe
ms
dumont
just
said
it-
and
I
with
the
townhomes.
We
know
that
this
has
been
an
issue
and-
and
it's
been
said
many
times
either
by
citizens
at
council
meetings
or
or
a
number
of
us
have
said
it
to
the
biggest
issue.
We're
seeing
with
the
town
home
developments
is
that
we
have
parking
overflowing
into
the
street.
And
that's
it's.
B
B
So
when
we
look
at
this-
and
there
are
the
20
additional
public
spaces
along
2nd
avenue
north
across
from
gonzales,
I
can't
imagine
that
those
public
spaces
are
going
to
be
available
for
the
public,
because
I
just
don't
see
that
there
is
enough
parking
to
accommodate
the
town
homes
with
the
two-car
garages
and
no
additional
space,
so
that
I
just
have
to
question
public
purpose
with
with
the
the
additional
parking
that's
being
added
there
and
then
also
too.
I
would.
B
I
would
want
to
know
more
about
the
drainage
that
would
be
fixed,
because
I
what
drainage
problems
exist
and
and
honestly
wouldn't
drainage-
have
to
be
addressed
by
the
development
anyway.
So
I'm
not
really.
I'm
not
sure
that
you
know
is.
Is
this
really
providing
a
public
purpose
if
they
are
if
they
are
required
to
handle
whatever
drainage
they're
supposed
to
handle
on
their
property?
B
I
I've
had
some
citizens
who
live
in
the
area
who
have
said
that
they
are
not
aware
of
any
drainage
issues
and
they
drive
through
that
area
all
the
time.
So
I
just
wanted
to
touch
base
on
the
public
purpose
and
say
that
I
I
really
have
concerns
that
that
criteria
has
not
been
met
at
all.
E
A
couple
things
first
question
for
our
city
attorney
where
what
are
the
legal
implications
on
this
and
we
just
want
to
make
sure
we
are
not
sued
or
anything
like
that,
and
the
second
thing
I
know
jet
brought
the
apartments
54
units,
you
know
having
a
workforce
apartments
and
people
can
afford
them.
I
just
wanted
to
put
it
out
there
whether
these
are
condos
or
apartments.
E
I
think
we
are
still
going
to
get
a
push
back
from
the
community,
so
whether
these
are
apartments
or
condos,
I
think
our
emails
are
still
gonna
we're
going
to
receive
emails
by
the
community
surrounding
that
surrounding
area.
So,
honestly,
this
is
the
way
I
feel
is
I
mean
it's
like
tug
of
war.
That's
just
how
I
feel.
E
C
Yeah
back
they
keep
saying
that
there's,
no,
that
these
parking
spaces
are
a
hold
on
sorry
trying
to
scroll
through
this
again
have
a
public
purpose.
So
every
time
you
say
that
there's
not
a
public
purpose
at
all,
that's
not
true,
and
we
can
very
easily
sign
those
parking
spaces
as
two
hour
or
three
hour
maximum
and
ticket,
so
people
won't
park
over
there
and
there
will
be
turnover
and
there's
parking
spaces
and
people
utilizing
those
units.
C
You
won't
have
people
that
are
living
in
those
areas
using
them.
We
can
make
there's
other
ways
to
come
up
to
make
sure
that
they
are
a
a
public
purpose,
because
we
need
to
activate
that
park
that
we're
going
to
put
this
put
this
money
in,
and
I
think
that
parking
is
the
more
parking
we
have
the
more
people
that
will
be
there
as
well.
What
was
the
other
issue
and
then
ashley?
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
that
I'm
correct
and
that
there
is
an
hoa
involved
in
involved
in
this
project.
F
I'm
here
sorry
there
there
would
be
some
sort
of
association
because
that's
who
would
be
responsible
for
any
of
the
common
spaces.
So
yes,
that
would
be
part
of
the
project
as
a
pud.
If
it
moved
forward.
C
Thank
you
councillor
janssen.
Oh
I'm,
sorry,
the
lot.
The
last
thing
is
that
I
think
that
area
that
area
and
that
community
will
be
very,
very
upset
if
we
end
up
with
55
work
for
workforce
housing
apartments
in
that
location,
I
think
the
community
will
be
really
upset,
but
they'll
live
in
that
area.
D
D
Right
right,
okay,
so
I
I
guess
that
takes
care
of
that
point.
I
do
live
in
that
area
and
I
don't
I've
never
had
any
issue
with
any
kind
of
drainage
issues
around
gonzales
park.
D
I
live
really
nearby
there
and
to
me
if
we're
gonna
put
some
development
there
to
mr
nichols
point:
I'd
rather
be
a
smart
development
than
just
throw
55
apartments
in
there,
and
I
do
live
in
that
neighborhood
and
I
do-
and
I
am
concerned
about
what
it's
going
to
look
like
at
the
end
of
the
day
so-
and
I've
always
found
that
when
they
take
ownership
of
a
residence,
they
seem
to
take
better
care
of
it
than
when
it's
a
rental
property.
G
A
Sure,
and
to
to
walk
the
council
through
this
process
is
the
reason
that
we're
having
this
discussion
this
evening,
because
some
of
some
of
the
things
that
we
identified
when
we
were
requested
to
review
this
by
the
applicant
or
by
the
developer
jwb
when
they
asked
us
about
vacating
right.
First,
we
did
was
check
to
see
what
we
had
within
our
code
or
from
a
defined
process
perspective.
A
While
we
did
not
anything
that
is
codified
within
the
the
ldc
did
find
that
there
is
an
application
within
planning
and
development
that
allows
for
an
applicant
to
request
vacation
right-of-way
that
application
is
attached
to
the
packet
that
you
were
all
sent.
So
you
had
a
chance
to
take
a
look
at
it.
A
If
you
remember
that
you
had
from
sherry
sutphen
regarding
different
land
use
issues,
the
workshop
that
we
did
a
couple
of
months
ago,
one
of
the
things
that
indicated
was
that,
if
there
is
a
purpose,
there
should
typically
be
a
development
agreement
that
accompanies
the
public
purpose
of
the
public
improvements
to
make
sure
that
there
is
a
guarantee
of
performance
by
both
the
developer
and
or
the
city.
A
So
in
this
particular
instance,
if
jwb
had
filled
out
the
application
submitted
their
fee
for
three
hundred
and
fifty
dollars,
it
ultimately
would
have
met,
possibly
met
technical
requirements
and
be
placed
on
council
at
which
point
in
time,
we'd
be
having
a
conversation.
A
What
is
the
public
purpose
of
vacating
the
right
way
and
does
it
meet
that
threshold
except
we'd,
be
doing
it
at
a
meeting?
And
if
the
answer
is
that
it
meets
the
threshold
at
that
point,
you'd
be
directed
back
and
negotiate
a
development
agreement
and
then
bring
the
whole
thing
forward
again.
So,
rather
than
starting
that
process,
the
application
we
felt
it
was
better
to
start
off
with
the
briefing
to
see
where
this
project
lies
and
how
we
should
be
moving
forward.
A
The
other
thing
I
would
like
to
remind
council
is
that,
regardless
of
where
it
ends
up
from
a
process
perspective,
if
we
do
end
up
with
an
application
for
a
vacation
of
right-of-way,
it's
not
a
contract-
that's
just
executed
by
the
council.
It's
actually
an
ordinance
with
two
public
hearings
in
front
of
council,
so
this
will
be
heard
publicly
where
residents
will
come
forward
and
possibly
express
either
their
support
or
lack
of
support
for
this
particular
vacation.
A
G
G
I
see
I
see
all
the
same
concerns
and
I
see
some
of
the
same
benefits
that
my
colleagues
do
and
I
I
don't
feel
like
there's
an
overwhelming
trend,
one
way
or
the
other
to
me
the
benefit
of
having
the
well
first,
the
the
way
that
it's
phrased
on
the
memo
is
with
regards
to
fully
compliant
with
city
codes.
At
this
point,
with
the
revised
site
plan,
they
are
compliant
with
the
site
triangle.
Correct.
G
H
Not
a
code
issue,
they
are
out
of
compliance
with
city
code.
If
you
look
at
the
number
of
townhouses
going
across
so
they
have
seven
contiguous,
townhouses
city
code
says
you
can
only
have
six
and
there
are
two
sevens.
So
it
depends
on
what
city
code
that
you're
looking
at.
But
that's
why
they're
going
for
a
pud
and
not
just
a
thing,
so
they
are
out
of
compliance
on
different
areas
with
city
code.
G
I
do
agree
that
a
two-car
garage
nobody's
gonna
park
in
their
garage
and
they
are
going
to
use
those
public
spots
as
the
owner
of
a
two-car
garage.
I
know
how
that
goes
so
so
I
don't
know
that
I
feel,
like
we've
gotten
enough
out
of
that,
to
see
what
the
potential
benefit
would
be.
I
do
like
the
idea
of
having
the
internal
driveways
in
terms
of
a
design
and
a
style,
but
the
the
emails
that
we're
getting
right
now
from
the
public.
G
You
know
that
it's
going
to
be
a
really
difficult
opportunity
for,
for
all
of
us
and
the
neighbors
and
and
everything
else
like
that,
and
I
think
that
the
developer
should
probably
reflect
on
that
based
on
what
we've
seen
so
far,
but
most
of
what
we've
seen
so
far
has
been
with
regards
to
density,
and
I
think
that
when
we
know
that
it
can
go
up
to
55
units
potentially
apartment
complex
and
you
know
without
us
do
anything.
I
you
know.
G
That's
just
where,
where
I'm
kind
of
belaboring,
this
right
now
is,
is
that
the
the
residents
are
still
going
to
be
unhappy
with
that
just
because
of
it
because
of
how
it's
owned.
So,
but
I
I
just
don't
feel
like
we
have
enough
of
the
right
information
at
this
point
to
make
a
knowledgeable
decision.
A
Before
we
jump
over
to
the
next
one
heather,
if
you
could
walk
them
through
what
the
pud
application
process
looks
like
as
well,
because
because
clearly,
the
right-of-way
vacation
would
be
a
public
hearing
process.
But
if
you
could
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
pup
process,
I
don't
think
we've
done
that
in
quite
a
while.
F
Sure
and
I'm
trying
to
remember
what
the
last
full
brand
new
pud
rezoning
that
we've
seen
is.
I
know
you've
seen
some
amendments
such
as
oceans,
ocean
terrace
in
2013
may
have
been.
Thank
you,
the
most
recent
full
rezoning
of
a
property.
So
the
application
comes
to
staff
for
sufficiency
review.
Once
we
determine
it
has
all
the
components
it
needs.
F
It
gets
scheduled
for
a
public
hearing
in
front
of
the
planning
commission
first,
who
will
review
that
application
for
consistency
with
the
land
development
code
and
the
comprehensive
plan
and
then
make
a
recommendation
for
city
council
on
how
they
they
think
you
should
proceed,
and
then
it
would
go
through
two
public
hearings
of
city
council,
two
readings
of
an
ordinance
to
adopt
it.
In
this
case,
as
mike
mentioned,
should
there
be
a
vacation
of
right
of
way,
it
would
need
to
go
in
conjunction
with
a
development
agreement.
A
F
Yes,
sir,
that
whole
application
package,
once
it's
determined,
sufficient
and
it's
been
scheduled
for
public
hearings-
is
available
to
the
public.
C
Thank
you
and
I'm
in
agreement
with
with
mayor
hoffman,
that
I
don't
think
we
have
all
the
right
information
to
make
a
determination
today
on
this,
and
I
do
think
that
the
parking
spaces
like
I
said
before
that,
there's
a
way
to
make
sure
that
that
they
are
not
utilized
by
the
town
home
owners
by
restricting
the
amount
of
time
that
they
can
be
utilized
at
one
time.
C
E
A
H
C
E
D
Yes,
so
the
there
was
a
comment
made
earlier
that
we've
never
seen
a
pud
for
a
whole
city
block.
Wasn't
blue
water,
an
entire
city
block
plus
some
and
did
we
was
it
at
a
pud?
Then.
F
Yes,
sir,
it
was
a
whole
block
and
a
part
of
three
other
blocks,
so
it
was
kind
of
spread
around.
There
is
a
vets
office,
that's
a
pud
on
the
corner
of
south
third
street
and
jacksonville
drive
and
then
there's
another.
I
believe
it's
an
office
building
on
south
third
street,
that's
probably
around
a
half
of
a
block.
So
there
are
some
smaller
puds,
but
most
of
them
are
larger
developments.
D
A
So
I'm
not
sure
dr
gillard.
H
H
I
think
that
allowing
a
lot
of
these
townhouses
and
again,
this
falls
back
into
that
needing
to
redo
the
ldc
townhouses
will
have
long-term
consequences
when
you
start
looking
at
six
of
them
and
they
are
fee
simple
and
individuals
in
the
middle,
don't
want
to
redo
the
roofs
after
storms
and
such
that
will
make
the
property
itself
deteriorate
much
quicker,
and
so
I'm
looking
30
40
50
years
out,
not
just
five
ten
years,
so
I'm
looking
very
long
term.
So
it's
not
short-sighted.
C
So
with
an
hoa,
I
think
the
problem
we're
gonna
have
is
if
this
project
doesn't
go
through,
we're
gonna
end
up
with
a
55
unit
apartment
complex
or
we
are
going
to
end
up
with
six
fee
simple
on
each
one
of
those
which
is
24.
That
will
not
have
a
joint
hoa
where
you
will
have
the
long-term
roof
issues
that
you
keep
discussing.
C
There
isn't,
if
there
is
an
hoa.
I'm
sorry
heather,
like
you
did
say
that
there's
an
hoa
agreement
associated
with
this
project,
correct.
F
C
A
A
It
will
likely
be
after
the
first
of
the
year,
based
on
the
current
briefing
schedules,
but
we
will
come
back
to
you
and
have
a
further
discussion
on
this
topic
that
amenable
to
the
seven.
A
I
see
some
heads
dotting.
Okay,
all
right!
That
gets
us
through
the
third
item
for
tonight
on
the
agenda
and
that
puts
us
into
the
council
committee
report
outs.
B
You
want
it
for
last:
okay,
that's
fine,
okay!
So
I'll
just
do
this!
This
is
just
quick.
As
I
mentioned
earlier,
I
attended
the
florida
legacies
legislative
conference.
I'm
in
the
process
of
I
took
a
lot
of
notes,
I'm
in
the
process
of
trying
to
get
those
notes
put
together
into
a
document
that
I
can
share
with
everybody
in
hopes
that
it
will
for
those
of
you
who
might
want
to
read
it
maybe
late
at
night
before
you're
going
to
sleep.
B
In
particular,
there
was
a
session
that
I
attended,
that
was
about
crisis
management
for
mayors,
and
I
went
there
on
mayor
hoffman's
behalf
because
she
wasn't
able
to
be
there
and
there
were
consultants
who
did
that
session
who
worked
with
surfside
to
navigate
their
through
their
crisis
with
the
condo
collapse,
a
lot
of
really
really
good
information
so
anyway,
I
definitely
want
to
share
that
with
mayor
hoffman,
because
I'm
sure
you'd
be
very
interested
in
that.
B
So
as
soon
as
I
can
get
my
notes
a
little
more
legible,
then
you
know
just
for
me.
I
will
share
those
with
everyone.
D
Yeah
sure
so
I
attended
the
quarterly
pension
meeting
and
mayor
hoffman
feel
free
to
piggyback
on
this.
If
you,
if
you
need
to
the
discussion
of
alternative
investments,
came
up
for
supporting
our
pensions,
it
was
a
good
discussion
across
across
the
panel
as
to
what
that
looked
like
and
what
we
were
looking
at.
I
think
at
the
end
of
the
day,
it
was
kind
of
met
with
a
non-consensus
to
to
move
forward
with
that
issue
because
of
ordinances
and
other
issues
that
were
at
hand.
D
So
we're
not
looking
at
anything
new
as
far
as
alternative
investments
are
concerned.
At
this
structure.
A
D
Yes,
I'm
not
I'm
not
100
sure
if
we
have
something
in
place,
but
I
would
like
to
have
a
consideration
for
park
dedications
for
first
responders,
following
first
responders,
like
in
the
incident
with
dan
watts,
if
we
could
do
a
partner
dedication
in
that
respect,
ones
that
we
that
may
have
lost
their
lives
in
the
line
of
duty
or
something
like
that.
I
believe
there
is
already
one
part
that
does
have
a
dedication.
It's
slipping
my
mind
which
park
it
was.
D
D
Like
on
the
side,
I
wish
I
knew
I'll
look
real,
quick
and
see
if
I
can't
find
the
name
of
that
park.
D
B
So
the
city
manager
had
sent
us
a
couple
of
emails
a
few
months
ago
about
potential
code
of
ethics
violations
and
the
we
haven't
discussed
those,
and
I
those
have
just
been
kind
of
hanging,
and
I
think,
as
a
council,
we
need
to
close.
We
need
to
close
the
loop
on
that.
So
I
think
we
need
to
put
that
on
a
future
briefing
topic.
A
So
we've
got
two
options:
we
can
either
schedule
that
for
a
future
briefing-
or
I
know
she's
still
on
the
line,
I
think
she
is
sandy
robinson
was
looking
at
setting
up
the
ethics
training,
the
code
of
ethics
training
with
council.
A
I
didn't
know
if
that
would
be
an
opportunity
to
discuss
it
there.
It's
really
at
the
pleasure
of
council.
I
think
I've
spoken
to
a
handful
of
you
individually,
that
if
I
forwarded
all
the
information
to
council-
and
I
have
not
heard
a
direction
from
you-
that
I
basically
just
stain
a
holding
pattern-
I
don't
do
anything
with
it
only
if
you
give
me
direction
to
do
something
further.
Do
I
do
something
with
it,
so
it's
that
one's
really
subjective
to
the
council.
H
When
I
recommended
that
we
do
a
training,
I
thought
that
that
would
be
included
in
the
training.
I
don't
know
if
there
was
any
any
of
the
violations
rose
to
the
level
that
something
needed
to
be
done
again.
That
would
have
to
be
decided
on
by
council,
but
I
thought
that
we
could
flesh
a
lot
of
that
out
in
that
training.
Use
that
as
to
use
those
two
incidents
incidences
as
case
studies.
B
B
Well,
my
whole
point
was
that
the
council
hasn't
had
any
discussion
at
all
and
if
our
you
know
and
and
if
we
all
feel
that
there's
there
doesn't
need
to
be
anything
done-
that's
great.
I
I
think
that
just
closes
the
loop,
but
but
the
council
hasn't
discussed
that.
So
that's
why
I
was
recommending
that
it
be
a
future
briefing
topic.
G
My
understanding
that
my
was
that
my
silence
on
any
of
those
issues
or
discussing
them
privately
with
the
city
manager,
was
sufficient,
that
no
action
was
an
action,
so
I
I
think
that
both
of
these,
in
my
mind,
have
been
resolved
by
discussions
with
the
city
manager
and
the
individuals,
and
I-
and
I
think
they
were
honest
mistakes.
I
I
don't
know
that
I
need
to
pull
those
back
out
in
a
potential,
embarrassing
situation
to
the
people,
so
I
do
think
we
need
to
maybe
focus
on
each
of
those.
G
You
know
violations
or
what
have
you
in
the
ethics
training,
and
we
do
need
to
have
a
good
ethics
training
for
everybody.
But
I
I
don't
know
that
I
need
to
bring
those
two
to
back
up.
I
feel
satisfied
with
how
they
were
resolved.
H
So,
yes,
we
can
do
it
one-on-one
with
the
city
manager,
but
because
of
sunshine
he
cannot
be
a
go-between,
be
saying
you
don't
want
to
do
anything.
You
don't
want
to
do
anything.
You
don't
want
to
do
anything
so,
therefore,
we're
all
not
going
to
do
anything.
It
still
needs
to
be
discussed
in
public
so
that
the
public
knows
that
we
as
a
council
decide
that
this
does
not
rise
to
what
we
determine
a
violation
of
the
of
our
ethics
policy.
B
And
don't
get
me
wrong,
my
intent
is
not
to
embarrass
anyone,
but
it's
just
to
close
the
loop.
I
mean.
I
just
feel
like
that.
That's
something
that
that
we
haven't
done,
and
I
I
agree.
I
think
ms
dumont's
point
is-
is
a
good
point
that
just
discussing
it
with
the
city
manager
doesn't
close.
The
loop.
H
My
concern
was
that,
and
I'm
sure
it
was
miss
speaking
when
chris
said
that
she,
just
when
the
mayor
just
said
she
discussed
it
with
the
city
manager
and
the
individuals
she
did
not
discuss
it
with
the
individuals
she
discussed
with
the
city
manager
in
the
assumption.
G
A
Yeah
and
I
think
it's
safe
to
say,
I
had
productive
conversations
with
both
individuals
that
were
the
subject
of
both
of
those
particular
issues.
So
I'm
not
sure
there's
a
consensus
to
set
up
a
specific
briefing
on
that.
A
B
A
If
you
all
want
to
got
to
make
sure
that
I'm
correct
in
this,
and
so
sandy
I'd
like
you
to
listen
very
carefully
to
what
I'm
about
to
advise
counsel,
if
you're
going
to
make
a
decision
with
regards
to
how
we
should
proceed
with
potential
action
or
non-action
against
the
two
individuals
at
the
crux
of
of
those,
then
that
conversation
should
likely
occur
at
a
council
meeting
where
a
quote
unquote
decision
can
be
made
and
finalized.
A
If
and
therefore
that
would
have
to
be
a
publicly
noticed
meeting
and
you
would
actually
have
to
have
it
as
a
meeting
where
you
could
take
action
if
you
just
wanted
to
have
a
conversation
about
them
and
provide
some
sort
of
consensus
or
guidance.
That's
completely
different.
So
if,
if
council's
desire
is
to
have
a
meeting
where
you
officially
take
action,
take
take
an
action
to
take
no
action
or
take
action,
then
that
should
likely
occur
at
a
council
meeting
as
opposed
to
anything
else.
A
So
if,
council
again,
I
don't
want
to
direct
you
one
way
or
the
other.
If
council
wants
this
to
be
placed
on
an
upcoming
city
council
meeting,
we
can
do
that
if
you
want
to
place
it
on
a
council
briefing,
that's
a
that's
a
different
story
or
if
you
just
want
to
make
without
using
names,
using
these
examples
as
educational
trainings
at
the
actual
ethics
training.
That
would
be
a
way
of
handling
it
as
well.
H
I
would
think
that
the
using
it
no
names
attached
at
the
council
training
would
help
decide
whether
we
want
to
bring
it
to
a
meeting
or
a
briefing.
I'm
I'm
not
saying
that
any
action
should
be
taken
at
the
training,
because
you
know
legally
cannot
be
taken.
Action
can't
be
taken
out
of
training,
but
I
think
it
could
get
all
of
us
on
the
same
page
as
to
how
we
should
be
viewing
the
ethics
policy
and
moving
forward,
because
it's
it's
new
to
all
of
us.
D
H
Yes,
with
the
caveat
that,
if
there
is
a
consensus
among
council
that
these
examples,
one
or
both
rose
to
the
level
where
a
majority
feels
that
they
did
violate
the
ethics,
that
it
would
move
forward.
I'm
in
how
I
understand
each
situation
and
the
policy
I'm
in
alignment
with
council
member
jansen,
but
having
the
training
and
understanding
it
fully.
May
change
views
might
not,
which
is
perfectly
fine,
but
I
don't
want
to
negate.
H
Closing
the
loop
on
two
open
because
they
are
still
technically
open
cases
without
fully
understanding
what
everything
entails.