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A
A
I
wanted
to
do
a
little
bit
of
housekeeping
first.
The
first
is
to
let
you
all
know
that
we
did
have
communication
with
the
supervisor
of
elections
office
today.
A
As
a
result,
we
will
keep
on
the
agenda
the
actual
transition
of
council
members
for
next
monday
november
16th,
if,
by
some
reason
the
supervisor
is
not
able
to
certify
on
friday,
we
can
always
remove
those
items
that
are
related
to
ceremonial
off
of
the
agenda
for
next
monday,
and
we
would
hold
a
special
meeting
on
the
23rd
in
advance
of
the
council
briefing
that
would
take
place.
We
could
move
that
to
an
in-person
meeting,
but
in
that,
oh,
you
have
a
visitor,
but
just
to
give
you
a
little
a
little
background.
A
That's
the
direction.
We're
headed
at
this
point
in
time
is
that
our
election
will
be
certified
friday
and
all
things
considered
we'll
do
the
transition
next
monday.
Also
just
wanted
to
point
out
to
you
that
what
you're
seeing
is
a
new
memo
format.
A
This
is
more
for
the
remaining
council
members
going
forward.
We're
actually
going
to
start
providing
memos
not
just
for
the
regular
council
meetings,
but
also
for
the
briefings
as
well.
To
give
you
a
little
bit
more
background
information
and
to
maybe
get
a
little
bit
more
specific
as
to
the
direction
that
we're
looking
for
from
you
all
as
we
come
out
of
these
council
briefings.
A
So
with
that
being
said,
we're
going
to
dive
into
the
first
topic,
which
is
the
issue
of
micro
mobility
devices
and,
more
specifically,
the
the
use
of
e-scooters.
A
The
use
of
e-scooters
is
not
new
in
urban
areas
across
the
country.
It's
actually
something
that's
been
expanding
very
rapidly
throughout
major
metro
areas
where
some
of
them
have
done
full-fledged
adoption.
Some
have
done
pilot
programs
and
some
have
done
outright
bands
of
micro
mobility
devices
for
anyone
who's
been
downtown
either
on
a
weekday
or
a
weekend.
A
You
may
have
seen
that
there
are
now
scooters
being
rented
in
the
downtown
area
of
jacksonville
beach.
We
noticed
this
several
weeks
ago.
There
was
some
research
that
was
done
by
the
police
department
and
found
out
that
it
was
a
local
rental
company
who
is
now
renting
these
out.
The
business
model
that
he's
using
to
do
so
is
a
point
of
origin
rental,
similar
to
a
bicycle.
You
rent
it
from
a
specific
location.
A
So
we
wanted
to
get
some
feedback
from
council
tonight
as
to
whether
or
not
this
is
something
that
you
would
consider
putting
some
regulations
in
place
on.
A
We
did
provide
you
with
some
references
to
our
specific
ordinances
as
to
what
you
can
and
can't
do
with
regards
to
micro
mobility
devices,
specifically
ordnance
2020-8139,
section
31
5.
I
of
the
code
basically
prohibits
micro
mobility
devices
and
motorized
scooters
from
being
operated
on
sidewalks
sidewalk
areas
and
the
promenade
adjacent
to
the
bulkhead
line.
A
A
We
do
have
mark
evans
from
the
police
department
here
with
us
tonight,
commander
evans,
he
and
the
downtown
cape
have
been
the
ones
that
did
the
research
as
to
the
current
business
model.
We
also
have
city
attorney
chris
ambrosio
who's
done
a
little
bit
of
research
into
the
matter
of
what
we
can
and
can't
do,
and
then
we
also
have
senior
planner
heather
ireland,
as
well
as
planning
director
bill
mann.
If
there
are
any
questions
for
them
as
well.
A
At
this
point
again,
we
have
one
business
that
is
renting
these
from
several
different
locations
in
the
downtown
they're
being
used
on
a
point
of
origin
type
rental
and
we'll
go
from
there
councilor
nichols.
I
see
you
have
your
hand
raised.
B
Can
you
explain
the
point
of
origin
rental
process
because
I've
seen
some
sitting
at
different
locations
in
the
beach
that
are?
Are
you
saying
you
have
to
return
them
to
the
point
of
origin?
Because
I
don't
believe
that's
the
case.
I
believe
that
they're
dropping
off
dropping
them
off
at
certain
other
locations
or
whenever
they
were
done
with
them,
they're
just
dropping
them
off.
A
When
the,
when
our
police
department
in
downtown
kate,
checked
with
the
business
rental,
there
are
several,
I
guess
you
would
call
them
depots
throughout
the
downtown
area
and
you
could
rent
from
one
of
those
depots
and
return
to
one
of
those
depots
and
they're,
effectively
associated
with
hotels
in
the
downtown
area.
A
B
Of
that
I've
seen
some
in
south
jacks
in
south
jacks
beach
just
left
at
doing,
walk
over.
C
Okay,
can
you
all
hear
me?
Yes,
yep,
okay,
yeah,
when
we
talked
to
the
gentleman
originally,
he
kind
of
when
he
jumped
into
this
business
venture
it
kind
of
snowballed
on
him.
I
don't
think
he
realized
that
the
demand
was
going
to
be
as
quite
as
large
as
what
it
was.
C
So
the
way
his
business
model
works.
Is
you
rent
it
from
a
certain
set
geographic
area
which
is
there's
some
down
in
the
castle?
Marina,
there's
a
couple
of
the
hotels
when
you
actually
go
up
and
you
have
the
app
you
actually
pay.
You
have
the
app
on
your
phone.
C
You
pay
to
the
app
you
pay
for
it,
you
take
it
and
you
write
it
after
you
sign
all
the
waivers
and
all
electronically
with
that
being
said,
you
then
can
write
it
and
you're
paid
basically
per
the
minute
and
when
you
get
done
with
it,
you're
supposed
to
return
it
to
the
same
location
in
that
geographic
area,
that's
defined
on
the
app
and
one
of
the
issues
he
had
up
on
the
up
on
the
near
the
castle,
marina
is
people
would
be
trying
to
return
it
directly
there,
but
it
would
say
well,
you're,
not
exactly
where
you
had
rented
it.
C
So
he
was
still
working
on
that
with
the
company
because
of
the
the
way
the
the
dunes
and
everything
the
way
the
the
geo
mapping
worked
out
with.
That
being
said,
if
you
don't
return
it
to
the
same
location,
on
top
of
the
price
that
you're
paying
per
minute,
you're,
also
paying
a
20
fee,
if
you're
gonna
leave
it
at
another
location
as
to
where
it's
not
originally
rented
from.
At
that
point,
his
one
of
his
employees
would
be
picking
the
scooters
up
and
taking
them
back
to
the
original
rental
place.
C
With
that
being
said,
that
does
charge
the
extra
twenty
dollars.
So
if
someone
is
willing
to
pay
the
extra
20
and
leave
the
scooter
somewhere,
unfortunately
the
way
the
the
model
works,
they
can
do
that
he'll
be
notified
and
then
he'll
pick
up
the
scooter.
But
then
you
get
charged
to
20
dollars.
They
hope
that
that
20
impact
fee
of
returning
it
to
a
different
location
would
hinder
a
lot
of
people
from
just
leaving
them,
laying
all
about
on
the
boardwalk
in
the
seawalker
on
the
on
the
roadways.
B
Does
jacksonville
beach
benefit
in
any
tax
revenue
generated
or
anything
from
this,
and
I
guess
my
other
question
is
I've
already
seen
people
writing
them
in
very
in
very
unsafe
manners,
not
stopping
it.
You
know
I
mean,
obviously
I
mean
our
bikes.
Don't
most
people
riding
bikes,
don't
stop
at
stop
signs,
but
we're
gonna
have
a
lot
of
people
getting
hurt.
A
Counseling
nichols
you
asked
a
good
question
about
revenues
for
the
city
bill
mann.
If
you
could
chime
in
a
little
bit
with
what
some
of
the
different
models
are,
that
we've
seen
specifically
atlanta
with
regards
to
their
fee
structure
for
registration.
B
And
aren't
we
aren't
these
currently?
Aren't
we
didn't?
We
aren't
these
currently
forbidden
in
jacksonville
beach.
D
No
sir
they're,
not
the
gentleman
the
one
gentleman
who's
an
operator
of
this
business
right
now
is
the
one
that
you
see
up
down
by
your
condo.
I
don't
know
if
you
still
live
there,
but
you
did
live
the
guy
that
comes
by
and
drops
bicycles
and
stuff
off.
This
is
the
same
guy.
He
has
conditional
use
approval
to
do
beach,
rentals
and
recreational
rentals.
Much
like
we
used
to
rent
scooters,
but
he's
the
only
person
that
has
that
license.
D
So,
to
the
extent
that
we
get
revenue,
we
get
a
local
business
tax
from
him.
Okay,
talking
about
the
atlanta
example,
that
is
more
to
the
point
where
you're
walking
down
the
road
you
get
out
of
the
convention
center.
There's
a
hundred
scooters
sitting
out
there
you
go
hey,
I'm
gonna.
Take
it
back
to
my
hotel.
You
get
off
that
scooter.
Then
you
get
into
your
hotel
at
that
point.
That
scooter
is
available
for
rent
where
you
left
it
for
somebody
else.
D
Picking
up
and
that's
a
nuance,
I
don't
think
is
available
with
this
gentleman's,
but
in
that
scenario
I
believe
they
have
to
register
per
vehicle
in
atlanta.
If
you
go
on
atlanta,
I
just
I
googled
them.
I
said
who's
got
regulations
on
e-scoop.
You
know
the
eagle.
The
easy
google
search
and
atlanta
is
the
one
that
I
came
up
closest
to
us
and
they've
got
thousands
of
them
out
deployed
in
downtown
around
peachtree
center
and
everything
yeah.
That's
their
business
model.
B
Hey
commander
evans,
what
what's
the
what's
the
law
for
the
usage
I
mean
you
know
I
was
see.
I
was
seeing
people
sort
back
and
forth
about
across
all
lanes
of
traffic
and
stuff
on
on
first
street
and
kind
of
racing
I
mean
yeah,
I
mean,
what's
the
plan
for
making
sure
they're
operated
safely.
C
Well,
it's
a
little
for
us,
it's
all
new
one,
because
when
I
say
it's
unregulated,
when
someone
rents
it
from
the
from
the
the
queue
all
they
do,
is
they
go
up
they
go
through
and
they
say
they
acknowledge
all
those
rules
and
regulations
are
in
there.
They
click
acknowledge
they
take
it.
You're
also
supposed
to
be
18
to
do
it
to
rent
it,
but
who's
going
to
stop
me
if
I've
got
a
16
year
old.
C
You're
just
be
riding
it
in
the
bike
lane,
if
one's
provided
or
on
the
side
of
the
road
they're
not
to
be
on
the
boardwalk
and
they're,
not
also
supposed
to
be
on
the
sidewalk,
but
unfortunately,
when
you
look
at
them
and
I'm
just
being
very
honest
with
you
being
a
police
officer,
I've
got
issues
with
them
being
on
the
side
of
the
road,
and
I
have
issues
with
them
being
on
the
sidewalk.
C
C
What's
our
best
bad
answer
for
it,
because
we're
going
to
have
issues
on
the
sidewalk
and
we're
going
to
have
issues
if
we
don't
have
a
bike
lane
readily
available
for
them
as
far
as
with
night
time,
they
do
have
little
lights
on
them.
Are
they
bright,
they're,
absolutely
they're,
not!
Luckily,
for
us,
we've
talked
to
the
gentleman
and
again
he
kind
of
took
these
in
and
and
he
didn't
realize,
the
the
activity
that
he
was
going
to
get
with
them.
C
So
he's
pretty
at
this
point
willing
to
talk
to
us
to
come
up,
because
I
personally
and
as
of
the
police
department,
I
don't
want
to
see
people
coming
out
at
two
o'clock
in
the
morning
getting
on
these
things
and
right
now
he
has
the
rental
he
has
them
fixed.
So
you
can't
start
a
rental
pass.
I
believe
10
o'clock
at
night.
However,
if
I
rent
it
at
9
55,
I
could
keep
it
until
2
a.m.
They
don't
automatically
just
shut
off
at
2
o'clock
either.
C
So
those
are
things
we're
going
to
have
to
work
out.
He
also
has
a
geo
mapping
where
he
can
go
in
and
he
can
limit
the
the
scooters
from
going
on
certain
roadways
or
areas,
but
is
only
as
good
as
what
the
mapping
is
and
that's
where
we're
having
a
hard
time
with
the
boardwalk
he's
trying
to
work
that
so
he
can
block
all
that
off,
but
because
it's
not
a
roadway
he's
having
some
geo
mapping.
C
B
Okay,
thank
you.
One
last
thing
I
think
one
of
the
issues
when
I've
used
other
places
is
that
they
run
out
of
charge,
so
you
can't
always
plan
on
getting
them
back
if
you're
going
to
take
it
up
to
to
atlantic
beach,
you're,
probably
not
getting
back
on
the
same
one
with
the
charge.
So
you
know
there's
inevitably
they're
going
to
be
left
other
places.
I
don't
know
how
he's
going
to
charge
somebody
20
bucks
if
they,
if
it
runs
out
of
charge
somewhere
so
yeah.
C
And
that's
going
to
that's
kind
of
one
of
the
things
that
we
talked
about.
I
do
know
that,
even
without
a
charge,
you
can
still
locate
it
with
his
gps.
The
first
weekend
he
had
one.
Of
course
we
had
somebody
steal
one
and
take
it
home
back
to
nocatee,
and
it
was.
It
was
dead
on
charge,
but
we
he
was
able
to
locate
it
in
a
specific
block
as
to
where
that
scooter
was
located.
A
Before
before,
before
we
keep
going
with
the
conversation,
I
did
want
to
point
out
two
things.
The
first
is
if,
if
council
decided,
they
wanted
to
discuss
this
further
or
start
considering
some
type
of
legislation
to
restrict
or
regulate
this
industry,
I
did
talk
about
it
with
chris
ambrosio.
We
could
go
down
the
road
of
putting
a
moratorium
on
place
which
would
prevent
the
expansion
of
these
types
of
devices
until
such
time
as
the
regulations
are
put
in
place.
A
You
may
have
children
that
get
them
for
christmas
presents.
You
may
have
young
adults
that
actually
get
them
and
use
them
as
a
mode
of
transportation
throughout
the
community
in
lieu
of
a
bicycle
or
a
golf
cart.
So
when
we
start
talking
about
whether
or
not
there
could
be
potential
regulations
for
this
industry,
the
the
question
also
exists.
Does
it
also
play
out
for
uses
personal
uses
in
residential
areas
as
well
in
other
portions
of
the
city?
So
just
something
to
think
about
mayor
latham?
You
also
have
your
hand
raised.
E
Yes,
sir,
just
personal
observation,
the
model
where
they
drop
them
off
wherever
they
want
to
and
they
get
picked
up
by
the
company.
Afterwards
I
saw
those
both
employed
in
ybor
city
and
in
tallahassee,
and
in
both
cases
it
was
absolutely
a
god
mess.
I
mean
it
was
looked
like
garbage
along
the
streets,
all
these
cycles
and
when
we
were
walking
from
dinner
at
ybor
city
up
to
our
hotel,
the
sidewalk
was
blocked
most
of
the
time
with
these
things
just
laying
across
the
sidewalk.
E
So
I
can.
I
can
imagine
this
would
be
a
nightmare
for
the
police
department
in
that
model.
Also,
I
noticed
a
couple
like
corey.
Not
too
long
ago,
I
was
driving
down
first
street
around
16th
avenue
south
and
there
were
three
people,
a
woman
and
two
men
on
on
these
things,
and
they
were
zigzagging
all
the
way
across
the
lanes
back
and
forth
and
intentionally
screwing
with
traffic.
E
So
I
mean
I
got
two
or
three
cars
back
and
they
weren't
letting
anybody
through,
so
that
that
concerns
me-
and
the
last
point
I
have
is
you
know,
scooter's
driving
down
the
street.
A
guy's
drunk
hits
a
car,
that's
parked.
E
What
are
we
doing
to
ensure
that
we're
additionally
insured
who's,
you
know,
is
the
vendor
making
sure
that
the
the
renter
has
got
adequate
insurance
to
cover
themselves?
You
know
the
liability
issue
of
the
whole
thing.
Have
we
done
anything
or
looked
into
that
in
any
way
to
protect
the
city.
A
F
F
F
Instead
of
take
the
blame
for
negligently
driving
it,
they
want
to
point
to
one
of
our
sidewalks
or
curbs
or
streets
and
then
sue
the
city
of
jacksonville
beach
for
their
broken
arm,
but
otherwise,
if,
if
an
operator
were
to
run
into
a
private,
individual
or
a
private
car,
in
those
circumstances,
the
city
wouldn't
have
any
liability.
In
that
case,.
G
So
it'll
probably
surprise,
no
one
that
I
actually
support
these
scooters.
I've
used
them
in
the
united
states
and
other
countries,
and
I
think
that
they,
for
the
purposes
of
our
city,
every
time
someone
gets
on
a
scooter.
That's
someone
who's,
not
in
a
car
they're,
not
taking
up
a
parking
spot
they're,
not
adding
to
traffic
on
third
street
things
like
that.
So
I
think
this
is
an
opportunity,
especially
since
we
have
a
vendor
who
seems
to
be
willing
to
work
with
us
as
we
figure
this
out.
G
So
this
might
be
a
good
pilot
case.
I
don't
feel
like
the
demand
is
going
to
be
huge
for
these,
like
they
are
in
in
atlanta
or
in
a
big
convention
city,
or
something
like
that.
But
I
guess
for
my
point,
I'm
glad
to
hear
they
have
the
geo
mapping,
because
I
have
been
on
a
scooter
and
gotten
out
towards
the
edge
of
the
boundary
and
the
scooter
just
comes
to
a
stop.
So
it
lets
you
know
when
you
get
to
the
to
the
edge
of
it
at
least
the
ones
I've
been
on.
G
I
don't
know
if
that's
how
these
work.
I'm
curious
to
know
if
they
are
allowed
in
neptune,
beach
and
atlantic
beach.
If
they
can't
leave
our
city
limits
due
to
their
restrictions,
then
then
they're
probably
going
to
be
even
less
appealing
to
people
who
may
want
to
go
from
a
atlantic
beach
or
neptune,
each
restaurant
down
to
the
jacksonville
beach
area.
G
I
certainly
agree
that
they
should
not
be
used
on
the
sidewalk.
They
should
be
on
the
street
or
in
a
bike
lane,
and
I,
like
the
point
of
origin,
I
think
the
that
they
are
checked
out
and
returned
to
a
specific
place,
because
definitely
the
scooters
littering
the
sidewalks
in
different
cities
has
become
a
real
issue
to
the
point
where
a
lot
of
cities
are
requiring
are
requiring
the
docking
stations
in
in
hindsight.
G
So
I
would
say
I
I
think
if
we
can
find
a
way
to
keep
them
east
of
third,
not
on
sidewalks
require
that
point
of
origin.
But
most
of
all,
I
think
that
we
should
work
with
this
with
this
company
again
they
seem
willing-
and
I
think
it
would
make
a
lot
of
sense
to
see
if
this
is
something
that
is
feasible
in
the
long
term.
For
our
city.
A
To
answer
your
question
about
the
communities
to
the
north,
neptune
and
atlantic,
I
reached
out
to
both
city
managers.
Stefan
indicated
they
did
not
have
anything
on
the
books
in
neptune
beach
in
atlantic.
They
had
actually
started
having
a
discussion
about
possibly
restricting
their
use
and
then
due
to
covet,
they
put
it
on
the
back
burner
and
have
not
done
anything
with
it
in
atlantic.
So
that's
where
those
two
communities
sit
with
it
right
now,.
H
Hello,
thank
you.
I
agree
with
chris
that
they
can
become
rather
unsightly.
So
if
we
do
allow
them,
it
should
only
be
east
of
third
and
the
point
of
origin
does
help
with
that.
But
I
did
have
some
questions
mark
answered,
one
of
them
that
they
do
have
lights
on
them.
H
Although
you
noted
that
they're
not
very
bright,
if
we're
going
to
allow
them
in
the
traffic
lane,
I
agree
they
should
not
be
on
a
sidewalk,
but
if
we're
going
to
allow
them
in
a
traffic
lane,
I'm
concerned
about
safety
issues
when
it
comes
to
the
traffic
lane,
because
they
don't
go.
Oh,
I
asked
this
earlier.
They
don't
go
fast.
H
All
right,
so,
I'm
concerned
with
having
them
traveling
in
the
lane
of
traffic
in
the
downtown
area.
We
do
have
bikes
and
cars
everybody's
sharing,
the
road
kumbaya
roasting,
marshmallows
and
such,
but
once
we
get
out
of
the
dam,
the
that
central
business
district,
it's
not
quite
like
that.
H
I
did
have
a
question
as
well
on
when
we
don't
allow
them
on
the
boardwalk,
but
that's
where
they
are.
That's
where
you
actually
pick
them
up
and
when
I've
I've
seen
them
for,
I
guess
the
last
month
or
so.
When
I
go
for
my
walk
when
I'm
on
the
boardwalk
just
south
of
casa,
marina,
that's
where
they
are.
If
they
can't
operate
on
the
boardwalk,
why
are
they
right
there?
It
kind
of
gives
the
impression
that
you
swipe
it
right
there
and
the
boardwalk
and
everywhere
else
or
where
people
walk
is
allowed.
H
H
So
times
of
use,
definitely
not
at
night
concerned
again
about
the
lighting
and
then
just
you
know
just
nighttime
stuff,
east
of
a1a,
for
the
geographic
restrictions.
This
is
this
one
ends
up
being
very
tricky
because
our
residents
have
personal
mobility
devices,
and
this
goes
beyond
the
little
train.
Cooler.
H
Mobility
thing
that
goes
around
on
the
holidays,
david
dahl,
who's
on
the
planning
commission.
He
has
a
bike
with
a
motor
which
ends
up
falling
into
the
personal
mobility
device.
So
we
need
to
be
very
careful
as
to
how
we
restrict
or
allow
these
that's
something
that
we
really
should
be
thinking
about.
If
we
say
that
they
can
only
be
operated
on
downtown,
he's,
never
going
to
leave
home
or
he'll
just
be
like
he
can't
take
it
out
of
his
house
and
actually
get
downtown
with
it
age.
Definitely
an
adult.
H
H
I
know
chris
noted
that
you
know
the
city's
not
going
to
be
liable,
but
with
city
has
also
seen
plenty
of
cases
where
people
fall
off
their
bikes
and
hurt
themselves
and
then
try
and
see
the
city
saying:
oh
there's
a
pothole,
it
wasn't
right
and
so
we're
going
to
end
up
having
more
of
those.
So
chris,
you
can
just
stop
ramping
up
for
those
kinds
of
legal
issues,
but
those
are
some
of
the
and
just
let
me
have
a
couple
different
things
here.
H
I
don't
know
if
we
want
to
regulate
the
brightness
of
the
lights
on
them
or
if
we
want
to
regulate
that
regardless
at
I
don't
know,
10
p.m
or
9
p.m.
H
What
10
p.m
is
usually
a
like
the
the
breaking
point
they
just
automatically
shut
off
and
if
you're
not
back
to
your
point
of
location
at
10
pm,
you
get
a
20
fee
or
whatever
the
fee
is
I'm
not
as
optimistic
as
chris
is
on
just
allowing
them
just
because
I've
been
a
lot
of
cities
and
I've
seen
them
seen
them
and
I've
had
to
jump
out
of
the
way
of
them.
I
think
that
those
who
are
renting
them
wouldn't
necessarily
have
been
driving
to
other
places
in
the
downtown
area.
H
To
begin
with,
we
don't
have
that
long,
that
that
large
of
a
downtown
so
there's
not
necessarily
a
need
for
a
mobility
device.
When
it's
about
six
blocks,
then
I
understand
that
they
could
go
up
to
neptune
beach
or
atlantic
beach,
but
then
would
they
want
to
take
on
the
added
fee
of
driving
up
there,
parking
it
getting
off
and
then
eating
dinner
or
something
then
two
hours
later
getting
on
it
and
coming
back.
H
That's
not
necessarily
a
bad
thing,
but
I
I'm
just
not
as
optimistic
that
the
use
of
these
would
be
so
widespread
that
it
would
take
that
many
cars
off
of
the
road.
That's
it.
I
Thank
you
mike,
so
I
think
we
have
a
lot
of
questions.
I
have
a
lot
of
the
same
questions
that
everybody
has
brought
up
and
I'm
definitely
concerned
about
safety.
I'm
also
concerned
about
enforcement.
It
just
sounds
like
there's
a
lot
of
there's
a
lot
of
things
that
are
coming
into
play
here.
If
it
cut,
you
know,
if
we're
looking
at
age,
if
we're
looking
at,
you
know
the
lights,
you
know
and
the
times
and
things
like
that,
I
I'd
like
to
hear
from
mark.
I
C
Okay,
thank
you
for
that.
They,
as
far
as
with
the
devices
as
the
others
have
spoken,
I've
seen
them
in
other
cities
and
out
of
the
country
as
well.
I've
used
them
as
well
as
other
places,
of
course,
when
you're
looking
at
it.
That
way,
it's
not
in
my
backyard,
where
we're
having
to
do
the
enforcement-
and
I
like
the
idea
of
all
of
these
things
that
we're
restricting
as
far
as
with
lights
and
age
or
nobody's
even
brought
up
yet
about
helmets,
and
that
type
thing.
C
Those
are
all
good
ideas,
but
we've
also
got
to
have
the
means
that
we're
going
to
have
to
enforce
that
as
well.
I
think
in
our
downtown
area,
I
I
do
think
I
agree
with
them
as
hoffman
that
the
numbers
are
there.
In
one
day
he
had
150
rentals
and
the
company
actually
brought
him
more
of
the
devices.
C
It
could
be
that
as
well,
but
as
far
as
with
the
enforcement
with
us,
if
we
look
at
it
as
far
as
the
the
rental
and
again
I'm
kind
of
speaking
out
of
my
lane,
but
if
we
can
look
at
it
as
far
as
the
business
plan
of
it,
because
the
last
thing
I
want
to
do
on
christmas
morning
is
have
my
officers
patrolling
ocean
k
or
ocean
force,
or
any
of
the
neighborhoods,
and
looking
for
family
members
and
kids
that
have
gotten
things
of
this
nature
for
christmas.
I
have
them
in
my
neighborhood.
C
So
the
last
thing
I
want
to
do
is
is
have
my
officers
enforcing
that,
especially
in
the
neighborhoods
and
things
as
far
as
with
the
business,
I
think
when,
when
someone
doesn't
pay
800
for
it,
maybe
they
don't
treat
it
like
their
own,
if
they're
going
to
use
it
to
to
go
to
several
of
the
establishment
or
downtown
area
they're,
using
it
more
of
a
mode
of
transportation
and
because
it's
fun
and
because
it's
there,
because
it's
new
as
far
as
them
being
on
the
boardwalk,
the
area,
the
boardwalk
that
they're
located
in
is
actually
when
you
look
at
the
line
they're
just
west
of
the
boardwalk.
C
The
castle
marina
owns
that
that
vacant
lot
and
the
area
where
they're
parked,
that
is
private
property,
where
they
were
parked
at
at
least
where
they
were
being
parked
at.
When
we
talked
to
the
gentleman,
we
advised
him
and
as
well
as
he
was
going
to
already
start
is
he
was
going
to
approach
the
the
hotels
and
work
out
a
deal
to
get
racks
at
the
hotels
on
private
property,
where
they
could
be
rented
and
they
could
be
brought
back
to.
C
I
like
that
idea,
but
then
again,
if
someone's
going
to
ride,
to
hop,
tingers
or
somewhere
to
eat
lunch,
where
are
they
going
to
leave
it
at
they're,
going
to
leave
it
on
the
sidewalk,
even
though
they're
just
inside,
just
like,
as
if
you're
riding
a
bike
and
you're
going
to
leave
the
bike
there
and
I'm
kind
of
getting
off
a
little
off
the
topic
a
little
bit,
but
as
far
as
the
enforcement,
as
far
as
with
helmets
with
lights
and
things
of
that
nature,
I
do
think
that
we
have
to
look
at
that,
but
we
do
have
to
be
realistic
because
we
may
have
laws
in
place,
but
yet
you
may
be
in
the
downtown
area
and
you
might
see
someone
ride
by
that,
doesn't
have
a
helmet
on,
or
that
has
somebody
that
appears
to
be
under
the
age
of
18..
C
C
and-
and
we
all
know-
and
I'm
not
saying,
but
that
15
or
16
year
old
could
probably
ride
that
scooter
better
than
any
of
us
on
the
zoom
call
right
now
because
of
his
age
and
because
that's
what
they're
doing,
but
does
that
make
it
legal
we're
going
to
have
to
look
at
because
they're
not
listed
as
a
motor
vehicle.
So
if
someone
was
to
get
a
citation,
it
would
be
a
civil
type
infraction.
C
So
those
are
things
that
we're
going
to
have
to
look
at
and
it
probably
didn't
answer
all
your
questions.
It
probably
added
more
to
you,
but
that's
it's
a
little
bit
bigger
picture
than
just
just
keeping
them
off
the
sidewalks
mark.
You
said
it's
not
a
vehicle,
no,
it's
not
it's!
They
don't
consider
them
a
vehicle.
So.
C
We've
talked
about
that
we
can,
we
do
bicycles
on
dui.
Could
we
do
it
yeah?
We
could
probably
try,
but
it's
new.
It's
so
new
we've
been
looking
at
other
ordinances
and
I
mean
other
cities
that
already
have
them.
So
we've
already
kind
of
been
looking
to
see
what
direction
we're
going
to
be
going
with.
I
Okay,
so
yeah,
I
I
just
feel
like
there's
a
lot
of
questions
and
there's
a
lot
of
there's
a
lot
of
things
that
we
really
need
to
get
sorted
out,
and
I
you
know
my
thought
is
that
we
need
to
put
some
some
time
into
this.
We
need
to
put
some
research
into
this,
and
you
know
I
don't
know.
I
don't
know
if
there's
anything
that
we
can
do
to
I
mean.
I
Can
I
realize
that
that
you
know
we
may
want
to
work
with
this
company,
but
what
I'm
concerned
about
any
other
companies
coming
in
and
then
we
just
you
know
we
have.
We
don't
have
anything
in
place,
so
you
know,
I
think
that
we
need.
I
think
we
need
to
consider
a
temporary
moratorium
until
we
are
able
to
work
something
out
so
that
we
have
things
in
place
and
we
don't
have
issues
because
we
we
haven't
done
our
homework.
B
Nichols
quick
revisit
just
you
know,
I
think
if
we
do
decide
to
go
forward
with
this,
we
just
need
a
very
well-defined
pilot
project.
I
think
we're
in
a
good
situation,
because
there's
been
I
mean
these
things
are
all
over
the
place.
So
you
know
there's
a
lot
of
lessons
learned
from
other
communities
and
stuff
that
we
can
we
we
can
use
their
knowledge
to
be
able
to
to
use
it.
But,
like
ms
golding
said
you
know,
how
do
you
limit
it
to
just
one
company?
B
And
you
know
next,
you
end
up
with
you
know
three
or
four
different
competitors,
and
you
know
I'm
not
sure
you
know.
I
think
we
just
have
a
there's
a
lot
that
needs
to
be
done
in
order
to
define
the
parameters
of
a
pilot
of
a
pilot
program.
If
we're
going
to
do
that-
and
I
know
jta,
the
city
of
jacksonville
worked
very
closely
with
jta
and
in
the
downtown
area
of
jacksonville,
trying
to
define
that
area,
and
I
think
saint
augustine
did
the
same
thing.
B
F
Thanks
mike,
I
just
wanted
to
add
some
fine
final
comments
from
me
on
the
topic.
Just
so.
The
count
for
the
council
members
benefit
so
the
city's
greatest
authority
for
us-
and
this
on
this
topic
would
be
our
power
and
authority
to
regulate
the
streets
and
the
sidewalks
and
the
roadways
within
our
jurisdiction,
the
second
highest
level
authority.
We
have,
of
course,
is
to
regulate
business
into
a
certain
limited
extent.
F
Then
the
last
authority
that
we
would
have
would
be
to
regulate
the
device
itself,
meaning
we
can't
require
for
the
device
to
be
changed
or
altered.
That
really
is
a
device,
that's
defined
by
florida
statute
and
then
the
control
of
the
device,
meaning
who
is
allowed
to
operate
it
and
when
and
well
at
least
who's
allowed
to
operate.
It
would
be
the
vendor's
control
and
the
vendor,
I'm
not
giving
them
legal
advice,
but
I'd
suggest
they
have
a
legal
counsel
cross-reference
all
the
important
statutes
that
are
relevant.
For
example.
F
What
concerns
me
is,
as
commander
evans
said,
no
one's
really
talked
about
helmets.
Well,
if
the
vendor
cross-references,
the
statutes
correctly
they'll,
learn
that
persons
under
16
are
required
by
law
to
be
wearing
a
helmet
and
from
city
hall.
We
have
all
seen.
Many
of
us
here
have
witnessed
a
lot
of
what
looked
like
young
persons
and
we
don't
know
their
age,
but
they
look
like
they're
less
than
16
younger.
G
F
And
they
have
not
been
wearing
helmets.
So,
of
course,
that's
a
safety
concern
for
our
police
department
for
all
of
us,
of
course,
but
we
would.
We
would
want
to
consider
where
our
greatest
powers
and
authorities
lie
in
regulating
this
and,
of
course,
that's
to
regulate
the
use
of
our
streets,
sidewalks
roadways
and
but
then
we
won't
be
able
to
require
the
vendor
to
change
or
alter
the
device,
meaning
we
can't
really.
We
really
probably
should
not
expect
to
try
to
make
the
device
any
different
than
how
it's
manufactured
brighter
lights.
F
You
know
it'd
be
like
us
saying
we
want
all
delivery
trucks
to
be
painted
bright
orange
when
they
come
into
our
jurisdiction,
so
that
won't
really
be
the
possibility,
but
but
we
do
have
great
authority
over
our
roads,
sidewalks
and
streets
and
then,
of
course,
the
limited
authority
over
the
business
in
terms
of
how
they
operate
to
some
extent.
But
that's
it.
I
just
wanted
to
add
that
that's
that's
the
direction
we'd
be
going
legally.
I
I
I've
seen
them
not
return
to
where
they
got
them
from,
but
I've
seen
them
like,
especially
at
the
pier
there,
just
like
left
in
places
where
handicapped
people
would
be
going,
and
that's
concerning
for
me
too,
that
they
just
leave
them
in
the
middle
of
a
sidewalk
and
a
handicapped
person
can't
get
through
there
because
they've
been
left
there.
So
you
know
there's
just
there's,
I
think,
there's
a
lot
of
things
that
need
to
be
worked
through
with
these
devices,
because
I
certainly
don't
want
to
just
see
them
like,
like
charlie,
has
seen
them.
I
You
know
littered
all
over
the
place,
and
I
also
don't
want
to
see
them.
You
know
impeding
some
of
our
citizens
who
maybe
have
difficulty
getting
around.
You
know
being
able
to
go
where
they
want
to
go.
As
well
so
anyway,
just
some
added
comments
there
thank.
A
B
F
I
don't
think
that
we're.
I
don't
see
an
ability
for
us
to
limit
that
either
per
vendor
or
within
the
entire
city.
I
don't
see
that
ability
to
do
that.
Okay,.
A
Based
on
the
significance
of
this
topic,
I
think
I'm
probably
going
to
ask
the
city
attorney
to
prepare
a
temporary
moratorium
language
for
the
council's
consideration
and
that'll.
Give
us
the
opportunity
to
work,
not
just
with
council
and
the
new
council
members
coming
on
board,
but
also
to
take
a
look
at
some
more
business
models
and
come
back
with
a
few
different
variants
of
proposal.
For
you
all
to
consider.
A
I
think
that'll
close
out
item
one
we're
now
ready
to
move
on
to
item
two
which
I
will
turn
over
to
the
city
attorney
chris
ambrosio.
A
F
Sure-
and
we
have
heather
and
bill
on
the
line
as
well-
our
senior
planner
and
our
director
to
comment
so
heather
and
I
started
on
a
drafted.
The
memorandum
for
this
briefing
topic
and
it
was
the
topic
came
up
as
presented
by
some
different
council
members.
F
They
were
interested
in
knowing
whether
these
mobile
food
dispensing
vehicles
could
potentially
operate
in
various
other
areas
in
the
city,
such
as
in
areas
where
there's
an
hoa
or
a
coa,
could
they
be
operate
or
could
they
be
parked
and
operate,
perhaps
in
a
park
a
school
or
in
a
church
parking
lot
area
and
other
questions
were
coming
up
about
various
operations
beyond
what
our
current
ordinance
says.
So
the
discussions
started
to
go
towards
what
looked
like,
potentially
changes
that
were
going
to
going
to
be
needed.
F
G
But
the
reason
residential
or
the
reason,
as
I
recall,
that
residential
was
was
left
out,
was
because
I
think,
a
lot
of
people
on
the
anti-food
truck
side,
just
envisioned
food
trucks,
roaming,
neighborhoods,
like
an
ice
cream
truck
and
just
selling
food.
You
know
off
the
side
of
their
truck
as
they
slowly
rolled
through
neighborhoods,
and
I
think
we've
all
seen
enough
now
here
and
in
other
communities
to
know
that
that's
not
how
food
trucks,
at
least
the
ones
that
we
have
in
our
area,
operate
or
would
like
to
operate.
G
So
what
brought
this
back
up
for
me
was
with
kovid
and
quarantine.
A
lot
of
neighborhoods
started
hosting
kind
of
outdoor.
You
know
cul-de-sac
or
neighborhood
events
where
they
would
bring
in
a
food
truck
or
you
know,
band
would
come
out
and
play
in
the
cul-de-sac
for
an
outdoor
type
of
event.
So
I
think
that
was
what
kind
of
brought
the
question
up
a
lot
of
that
was
in
hoa
communities,
but
has
also
been
in
in
regular
on
regular
city
streets.
G
So
they
were
not
authorized
at
the
time,
but
I
would
definitely
support
expanding
that
I
don't
I
don't
want
to
get
into.
I
want
to
be
cautious
that
we
make
sure
that
wherever
they
operate,
it's
because
someone
who
has
some
authority
has
given
them
permission
to
operate
they're,
not
just
again
pulling
up
on
the
side
of
the
road
and
and
selling
their
food.
G
So
I'm
not
exactly
sure
what
that
looks
like,
but
I
am
glad
that
we
are
re-looking
at
this
because
I
think,
especially
in
the
terms
of
in
terms
of
specific
neighborhoods
or
churches,
things
like
that
they
have
become
a
pretty
valuable
opportunity
for
for
outdoor
events
and
fundraisers
and
and
just
neighborhood
gatherings.
So
I
do
do
support
expanding
our
food
truck
regulations.
I
Thank
you
mike.
I
did
some
research
and
I
found
that
and
I
understand
yeah.
I
understand
that
things
have
definitely
changed
with
covid
and
did
some
research
and
I
found
that
asheville
they.
I
Actually,
I
don't
know
if
it
was
like
a
resolution
or
a
proclamation
or
whatever,
whatever
the
the
the
name
of
it
was,
but
they
actually
passed
something
that
is
allowing
food
trucks
in
residential
areas
as
long
as
they
have
the
state
of
emergency
continuing
with
the
covet
situation
and
they
relax
their
rules
to
say
that
they
could
only
operate
at
community
centers,
schools,
churches
or
vacant
lots,
and
they
must
be
50
feet
from
any
residences.
I
They
said
that
they
can't
operate
on
public,
right-of-way
or
sidewalk,
they
cannot
block
any
driveways
and
they
cannot
impede
vehicle
or
pedestrian
traffic,
and
that
was
all
in
this.
It
looked
like
a
proclamation,
you
know,
and
I
can
get
a
copy
of
it
or
whatever,
but
I
thought
it
was.
I
thought
it
was
pretty
reasonable
and
I
thought
maybe
that
might
be
something
that
we
want
to
look
at,
and
I
mean
for
the
time
being.
If
we
wanted
to
do
something
like
that,
until
we
could
do
something,
that's
a
little
more
permanent.
H
H
H
Yes,
we
want
the
food
truck
and
this
is
the
neighborhood
things
it
started
coming
in
with
kovid,
and
so
this
was
a
way
for
people
to
go
out
for
dinner
on
friday
night
by
just
walking
over
to
the
food
truck
and
and
having
dinner.
H
So
as
long
as
there's
some
kind
of
an
oversight,
ownership
of
the
whatever
that
land
mass
is
I'm
a
little
bit
more
weary
of
just
a
general.
I
want
a
food
truck,
so
I'm
going
to
park
a
food
truck
in
front
of
my
house.
That's
going
to
impact
my
neighbors
who
might
not
like
food
trucks.
So
I'm
a
little
bit
more
wary
of
that,
but
legally,
I'm
sure,
there's
some
kind
of
way
we
can
carve
stuff
out.
One
thing
we
haven't
discussed
yet
is
allowing
food
trucks
at
some
of
our
city
parks.
H
So
when
we
create,
when
you
all
created,
when
some
of
you
created
the
food
truck
ordinance,
it
was
that
they
cannot
operate
on
public
property.
So
with
that
they're
no
longer
they're
not
allowed
to
operate
at
wingate
park
when
the
concessions
closed
or
sunshine
park.
H
When
any
time-
and
there
are
some
opportunities
there-
that
people
would
really
like
to
have
a
food
truck
and
they
could
just
go
to
the
food
truck
and
eat,
especially
and
I'm
specifically
thinking
about
sunshine
park
because
there's
nowhere
to
eat
right
within
that
vicinity,
because
it's
in
the
middle
of
a
neighborhood,
so
gonzales
would
be
another
example
of
that
or
a
tall
pine,
so
that
something
else
we
might
want
to
think
about
is
expanding
it
by
permit
by
city
usage
in
certain
areas
within
the
city
on
public
property.
B
H
D
That
point
could
easily
be
handled
just
as
the
where
they're
allowed.
Now
you
have
to
have
owner
authorization
approval.
We
would
carry
it
over
that
the
city
parks
and
rec
or
somebody
would
be
the
authorizing
party.
We
would
just
have
to
make
sure
on
our
end
that
we
put
those
stipulations
in,
but
that
that's
something
that
could
be
accommodated.
We
wouldn't
put
the
burden
on
the
vendor.
We
put
it
on
us
as
the
authorizing
property
owner,
but
yeah
that
that's
a
good.
F
Yeah,
I
I
think
I
do
mike.
I
mean
we're
we're
going
to
look
into
revising
the
ordinance
to
expand
it
in
the
way
that
the
council
members
have
stated
appears
that
one
expanded
in
about
four
three
to
four
different
ways.
F
D
As
a
current
seated
council
or
as
the
transitional
council,
you
don't
listen
yeah.
The
first
thing
you
want
is
the
old
council
voting
on
first
reading
and
the
new
council
voting
on
second
reading
right,
especially
if
the
if
the
certification
is
going
to
be
as
quickly
as
it
is.
You
could
easily
find
yourself
in
that
predicament
and
I
would
say
it
comes.
H
Back
in
front
of
the
count,
whatever
council
is
going
to
be
at
a
briefing
that
makes
sense,
inform
them
before
it
goes
to
the
council
for
a
vote.
F
And,
and
just
just
to
refresh
your
memory
that
the
the
ordinance
is
likely
going
to
touch
on
two
different
chapters
of
our
code
of
ordinances
and
one
of
them
is
chapter
34..
So
what
we
did
in
the
past
was
we
ended
up
going
to
the
planning
commission
with
respect
to
the
way
that
the
land
development
code
was
modified
or
amended.
F
So
the
planning
commission
on
the
mobile
food
dispensing
vehicle
ordinance
that
we
just
recently
did.
The
planning
commission
approved
the
elements
of
that
ordinance
that
applied
to
chapter
34,
the
land
development
code,
and
then
they
just
generally
supported
the
changes
to
chapter
12..
They
don't
have
any
ruling
over
that,
but
they
just
generally
supported
that
the
council
should
approve
that.
So
it's
very
very
likely
may
be
that
process.
A
Okay
with
that
being
said,
that
concludes
our
two
items
for
council
briefing.
Tonight
everybody
have
a
good
rest
of
the
night
and
we
will
hopefully
see
you
all
next
monday,
the
16th
or
what
will
hopefully
be
a
transition
meeting.
Thank
you
all
for
tonight,
thanks
mike.