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A
Awesome.
Thank
you
good
evening,
mayor
and
council.
This
is
the
march
14th
council
briefing.
We
have
a
handful
of
items
to
go
over
with
you
this
evening.
The
first
thing
we
have
on
the
agenda
is
a
short
presentation
by
laura
edgecombe
and
alan
devault,
with
build
up
downtown
they'll,
be
talking
on
the
j
bill.
This
was
an
item
that
was
brought
up
a
couple
weeks
ago
by
council
member
nichols
where
jacksonville
had
proposed
legislation
in
order
to
go
below
the
150
seats
required
for
alcohol
licensing.
B
Laura
I'm
do
I
can
tell
you
a
little
bit
about
the
50
seat
part.
I
know
laura's
going
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
build
up
down.
C
Yeah,
I
can
actually
just
speak.
I
was
saying
I
can
speak
real
quickly,
then,
to
build
up
just
so
that
you
all
know,
as
as
mentioned,
alan
will
be
able
to
speak
at
the
j
bill,
as
it
was
one
of
his
special
projects
that
he
worked
on
from
the
inception
of
the
project
through.
So
he
will
give
you
a
lot
of
information,
but
just
to
give
you
a
high
level
look
at
build
up
downtown.
C
We
are
a
newly
formed,
privately
funded
nonprofit
organization
that
is
on
advocating
and
facilitating
smart
development
in
downtown
jacksonville
right
now.
Our
our
boundaries
have.
You
are
in
line
with
the
dia's
boundaries
for
downtown
the
cra,
which
goes
from
sports
and
entertainment
district,
all
the
way
down
through
la
villa
over
the
river
into
brooklyn
and
up
and
down
south
bank,
which
you'll
hear
that's
where
this
particular
j
bill
was
in
reference
to
was
in
the
downtown
area
as
well
as
parts
of
kings
avenue
in
san
marco.
C
We
are,
we
have
multiple
action
items,
goals,
pillars
that
we
stand
on
a
lot
of
those
which
include
not
only
the
advocating
and
the
field
facilitation,
but
we,
you
know
we
host
developers
from
out
of
city
out
of
the
out
of
the
country.
We
tour
them
around.
We
show
them
all
the
development
projects
that
are
currently
going
on
downtown
everything
from
those
that
are
in
you
know,
initial
stages,
all
the
way
through
permitting,
and
actually
you
know,
ground
moving.
C
But
then
we
also
talked
about
the
opportunities
as
well
as
matching
operators
with
building
owners.
A
big
part
of
our
job
is
to
support
the
dia
and
help
for
the
community
understand
what
incentives
are
available
in
the
downtown
area,
and
you
know
anything
that
we
learn
in
our
downtown.
We
are
excited
to
be
able
to
share
and
make
sure
that
they
can
help
with
y'alls
downtown
as
well.
You
know
there's
tons
of
information
that
we
can
have
a
different
side
conversation.
C
B
Sure
great,
thank
you.
So
the
j
bill
is,
as
you
noted,
was
this
year.
It
was
the
north
bank.
I've
been
involved
with
about
three
or
four
of
them.
The
first
one
happened
in
1987.
when
the
landing
was
done.
So
at
that
point
they
did
the
entire
cra,
the
north
bank,
all
the
way
from
basically
brooklyn
to
the
stadium
district
and
then
the
south
bank,
that's
specifically
the
cra
district,
and
they
changed
that
from
150
seats
to
100
seats.
B
I
came
across
it
at
about
2004
when
I
was
at
bb's
restaurant
and
realized
that
at
that
point,
bb's
was
inside
that
zone,
so
bbs
was
able
to
get
a
full
license
by
just
putting
a
few
extra
tables
and
chairs
out
front.
So
if
you
ever
go
in
front
of
bb's
and
you
see
those
four
tables
out
in
the
sidewalk-
that's
the
reason
they're
there
there
wasn't
really
design,
but
that
got
in
the
hundred
and
so
back
then
too.
B
One
thing
that's
important
to
note
is
that
the
state
language
called
it
that
you
had
to
see
150
people
or
more
at
permanently
covered
seats,
a
full
course
meal,
and
so
that
language
has
been
modified
over
time
administratively
to
be
able
to
serve
150
people
food
at
one
time,
so
there's
no
longer
counting
of
seats.
If
you
will
there
can
be
to
some
degree,
you
know
if
you
have
50
seats
and
claim
to
serve
150
people.
Obviously
that's
not
going
to
jive,
but
you
know
they
count
couches.
B
They
count
bar
stools
which
they
didn't
use
to
count
and
they
don't
require
permanent
cover.
Now
some
of
the
folks
with
the
dvp
are
locally
kind
of.
Sometimes
you
have
to
remind
them
of
that,
but
that's
kind
of
where
we
are,
and
so
in
19
or
2010.
B
Rather,
when
we
were
doing
black,
sheep
restaurant
and
five
points
still
had
to
have
the
permanently
covered,
and
that
point
the
rooftop
itself
was
not
covered,
so
we
were
only
going
to
have
about
115
or
20
seats
permanently
covered
downstairs.
So
that's
when
we
initiated-
and
at
that
point
we
you
know
a
lot
of
it-
is
defined
areas
when
the
cra
was
done
in
87.
Those
was
a
very
clearly
defined
area,
and
so
you
could
use
that
as
the
definition
for
the
five
points
area.
B
At
that
point
it
was
called
the
urban
transition
area,
which
was
part
of
the
riverside
avondale
overlay,
so
that
was
a
very
clearly
defined
area
and
zone
as
well,
and
so
it
didn't
take
much
writing
of
the
language.
B
Then,
a
couple
years
later,
a
group
myself
included
got
the
commercial
character
areas
of
riverside
in
avondale,
so
to
us,
it's
in
red,
it's
in
the
overlay,
and
so
somebody
who's
with
the
property
appraiser's
office
actually
wrote
the
law.
So
if
you
see
it
it's
about
50
pages
now,
because
that
one
was
a
little
bit
more
arduous,
of
a
task
on
how
to
actually
define
the
boundaries,
but
they
were
able
to
do
it.
B
It
was
all
the
commercial
character
areas
would
go
down
to
100
seats
and
then
the
next
year
I
think
murray,
hill,
springfield,
san
marco
and
maybe
one
other
caught
on,
and
they
added
that
to
there,
and
that
was,
I
want
to
say,
17
or
18..
So
then,
this
past
year,
as
a
way
to
kind
of
further
incentivize
downtown,
especially
the
north
bank.
We
specifically
picked
the
north
bank,
which
needs
as
much
as
many
incentives
as
possible
and
we
change
it
down
to
50
seats,
so
50
or
more
seats.
B
One
of
the
council
members
asked
him
if
they
would
change
it
to
50
seats,
which
he
was
happy
to
do
so
it
would
be
a
little
more
they'd
be
similar,
but
the
basic
sort
of
steps
are,
you
know.
Finding
a
representative
sponsor
and
wyman
duggan
has
always
been
helpful.
Mr
mcburn,
charles
mcburney,
did
the
first
one
duggan
did
the
most
recent
one
to
agree
to
take
it
to
tallahassee
and
then
at
that
point
you
want
to
get
a
and
this
past
year
dia
did
their
own
resolution
to
city
council.
B
But
in
the
past
it
was
just
a
resolution
through
city
council
to
support
a
j
bill,
a
local
bill
that
would
go
in
and
change
those
laws,
and
so
that
has
to
do.
You
know
well
before
the
duvall
delegation
meeting,
which
is
usually
in
let's
say
it's
usually
in
august
or
september.
It
really
depends
on
when
the
delegation
is
starting,
because
sometimes
they
start
january,
sometimes
later
in
the
year.
So
that's
really
the
benchmark
of
and
hannah
pataki
is
the
duval
delegation
assistant
now,
and
so
she
you
get
on
their
mailing
list
and
they'll.
B
Send
you
any
notifications
to
let
us
know,
but
really
the
the
city
council
resolution,
at
least
in
jacksonville,
takes
about
six
weeks.
So
we
had
to
kind
of
get
on
board
that
earlier
and
then
once
it
goes
through
that,
then
it
goes
to
tallahassee
and
in
general,
the
j
bills,
because
they're
only
affecting
county
by
county
or
are
small
areas.
Then
most
of
the
representatives
you
know
kind
of
just
they
all
get
passed
at
one
time,
there's
no
reason
not
to
support
them.
B
You
know
what
you
want:
an
orange
county
I'll
you
get
that
duval
county.
We
want
this.
You
get
that
nassau.
So
all
these
local
bills
typically
pass
pretty
quickly
or
easily,
and
it's
usually
at
the
end
of
the
session
and
then
typically
july
1st
of
that
year
it
will
go
into
law.
So
that's
kind
of
the
timeline.
B
If
you
will
they've
always
been
you
know
in
our
areas,
especially
the
we
focus
on
historic
neighborhoods,
where
you
have
some
of
these
older
buildings
that
can
be
challenging
to
fit
within
this
past
year,
brought
in
another
reasoning
behind
it,
which
was
covet
so
that
you
know
a
lot
of
the
restaurants
I
mean.
I
know
some
of
them
still
aren't
back
to
the
same
capacity.
B
They
were
two
years
ago
and
so
spreading
out
the
tables
and
chairs,
and
really
the
150
was
an
arbitrary
number,
probably
brought
up
in
the
50s
or
60s
and
probably
driven
by
some
of
the
larger
national
chain.
Restaurants,
that's
an
educated
guess.
Don't
quote
me
on
that,
but
there's
really
been
an
appetite
in
fact
this
past
year.
Actually
there
was
another
bill
in
front
of
the
house
that
was
going
to
try
to
change
the
srx.
B
It
got
about
you
know
halfway
through
it,
but
then
kind
of
stalled,
but
I
expect
that
they'll
bring
that
back
next
year,
but
you
know
there's
a
couple
other
counties
in
florida
that
have
similars.
I
think
somebody's
got
a
75
seat
law
in
somewhere
in
south
florida,
and
I
think
another
county
passed
one
this
year,
but
it's
really
kind
of
a
county
to
county
situation.
D
Hi
alan
laura
thanks
for
the
information
I
appreciate
y'all
coming
on
board
and
I'm
having
this
conversation
with
us.
I
guess
what
I'm
I
need
to
find
out
from
our
city
manager
and
y'all.
Is
you
know
if.
E
D
Decide
to
go
forward
on
this,
you
know
what
is
the
what's
the
next
steps
we're
going
to
take,
and
then
also
I
know,
y'all
mentioned
that
you're,
a
privately
funded
non-profit
organization-
and
I
briefly
spot
spoke
to
lore
about
it
too.
But
what
would
it
take
to
get
you
all
also
to
focus
on
our
downtown
and
jacksonville
beach?
In
addition
to
to
downtown
we're
much
smaller,
we
can,
you
can
just
well,
I
mean.
C
My
response
to
that
was
that's
an
internal
conversation
that
we
would
have
to
look
at.
I'm
not
saying
that
we
can't,
but
that's
definitely
a
conversation.
I
mean
to
your
point
corey.
I
we
know
there's
a
lot
of
great
development
coming
into
downtown
jack's
beach
as
well,
and
so
you
know
we
it's
not
that
we're
saying
no.
We
just
have
to
have
that
conversation
internally,
but
un
until
we
get
there.
You
know
we
are
happy
to
help
you
all
on
this
initial
push
for
the
jbl.
D
B
Yeah,
and
so
the
local
building
is
something
I
we
know
a
ton
about.
So
that's
an
easy
to
help
and
I
can
say
right
now:
it'll
help
you
as
much
as
we
can
laura
and
I
are
both.
You
know:
jacksonville
urban
core.
I
live
in
avondale.
She
lives
in
san
marcos.
The
learning
curve
at
the
beach
might
be
a
little
bit,
but
you
know
we
appreciate
the
kindness
of
thinking
that
we
could
help.
So
thank
you.
A
If
I,
if,
if
I
heard
allen
correctly,
it
sounds
like
there
would
need
to
be
a
desire
from
council
to
move
forward
with
a
defined
area
and
a
reduction
in
seating.
We
would
need
to
adopt
a
resolution
to
support
a
j
bill.
And
we
would
need
to
get
with
the
duval
delegation
prior
to
the
start
of
session
or
prior
to
them
assembling,
which
would
be
somewhere
in
the
august
september
time
frame.
And
we
would
need
a
legislative
sponsor.
B
Yeah,
I
might
search
out
the
legislative
sponsor
in
june
july
or
so,
and
that's
really
probably
one
of
the
easiest
parts
and
then
get
with
hannah
pataki
with
the
duval
delegation
just
to
nail
down
when
her
meeting
is
because
one
year
we
were
running
a
little
late
and
you
know
we
ended
up
getting
the
city
council
resolution
on
a
single
cycle
as
opposed
to
a
double,
but
they
didn't
love
that
so
we'd
like
to
be
well
ahead
as
possible.
B
So
but
you
know
like
wyman
is
always,
but
you
may
have
somebody
out
there
at
the
beach
that
might
be
more
appropriate
for
your
particular
area.
F
A
F
And
then
alan
and
laura,
thank
you
so
much
for
being
here
and
giving
us
some
insight
and
giving
us
the
opportunity
to
hit
you
up
with
questions
later.
So
you
mentioned
black
sheep
and
bbs.
Have
there
been
any
other
good
success
stories
or
any
opportunities
that
are
are
being
discussed
now
in
terms
of
downtown
that
that
are
specifically
going
to
be
able
to
go
forward
because
of
this
change?.
B
I
can
say
a
lot
of
places
outside
of
downtown
as
they
come
online
have
taken
advantage.
I
mean
in
downtown
at
least
indochin
burrito
gallery.
They
have
taken
advantage
taverna
in
san
marco
rust
mark.
You
know,
town
hall,
when
I
told
tom
gray
I
was
like
if
he
you
know
this
is
gonna
pass
in
a
couple
months.
He
opened
with
beer
and
wine,
but
then
brought
in
spirits
later
and
then
for
us
downtown
the
50
seats.
Really,
you
know
places
like
superfood
and
brew.
B
I
think,
might
be
able
to
take
advantage
of
that.
There's
a
couple
of
restaurant
tours
currently
and
somebody
that
owns
some
nightclub.
That
said,
you
know
he
is
thinking
about
doing
a
restaurant
and
knowing
that
50
seats
would
make
it
happen,
changes
a
lot
for
for
them.
You
know
they
don't
in
the
past
so
many
times
they
had
to
shove,
so
many
seats
in
to
fit
150
or
100.
B
In
that
case
that
you
know,
even
when
we
got
it
done
in
five
points:
moss
fire,
the
owner's
like
okay,
so
they'll
they'll
start
counting
my
couches.
Now
it's
like
they'll
start
counting
their
couches.
Now
so
you
know
it's
just
it's
that
extra
little
four
or
five
seats
sometimes,
and
that
is
back
to
the
boundaries.
One
thing
too,
is
you
know
the
the
law.
It's
it's
like.
I
said
lengthy
in
some
cases,
but
the
king
street
kings
avenue
rather
was
a
great
example.
B
When
their
attorney
was
asked-
and
I
was
talking
with
him
about
how
to
do
it-
I
said
you
know
just
just
say:
kings
avenue
from
prudential
drive
to
atlantic
boulevard
and
every
business
contiguous
to
that
street.
You
know,
and
that
can
be
a
relatively
simple,
whereas
some
of
the
other
definitions,
where
you
go
from
the
northwest,
curb
line
to
the
southwest
curve
line
of
this
street,
I
mean
it
gets
extremely
arduous.
G
Yes,
question:
well,
thank
you,
alan
and
laura
for
putting
this
together,
and
I
don't
see
a
problem.
Why
not
or
why
we
shouldn't
go
forward
with
this,
so
I
support
this.
B
So
the
process
itself-
I
usually
say
about
a
year.
So
if
you
get
started
in
july
june
july,
looking
for
your
sponsor
house
sponsor-
and
you
know,
get
the
ball
rolling,
then
that's
about
the
time
I
mean
I've
done
it
in
august
before
but
june
july
is
a
good
time
and
then
it
comes
to
ends
up
going
into
law
almost
always
july
1st.
B
I
think
that's
when
most
the
state
laws
that
get
passed
in
the
legislative
session
get
go
on
as
far
as
the
other
time
of
service
and
things
like
that,
we
have
never
incorporated
anything
like
that.
B
To
now
with
50
seats,
it's
a
thousand,
but
I've
never
seen
any
dbpr
representative
pull
out
a
tape
measure
and
try
to
determine
how
big
your
service
area
is.
Because
you
know
there's
a
question
is:
is
that
just
the
dining
room
or
is
that
the
dining
room,
the
bar?
Or
is
it
you
know?
So
it's
really
been
mainly
the
the
the
seating
numbers
or
seating
ability
or
number
to
serve
doing
in
time
limits
might
make
it
a
little
murky.
B
That
would
be
a
legal
question
that
I
wouldn't
be
comfortable
asking,
but
it's
usually
just
and
the
size.
H
Okay,
thank
you,
as
luck
might
have
it,
we
do
have
a
bowling
alley
coming
into
play
here
pretty
soon
so,
but
no
thank
you
for
your
work
on
that.
I
really
do
appreciate
it
and
that's
I'm
in
vapor
for
this.
So
listen.
A
Alan,
I
have
a
question
for
you.
It's
it
sounds
like
some
of
the
latest.
Jbl
legislations
that
have
gone
forward
have
been
as
low
as
50
seats
for
food
establishments
to
have
the
full
liquor
has.
Has
the
state
legislature
approved
different
numbers
between
150
and
50
for
different
portions
of
the
state?
They.
B
Have
I
can't
remember
which
county,
but
I'm
95
sure
there's
one
that
did
80
75
seats
rather
excuse
me
75.
this
past
time
when
we
were
going
through
city
council,
one
of
our
council
members
was
kind
of
said.
You
know
it's
100
here,
it's
150
here,
it's
50
here.
B
How
can
we
make
this
all
a
little
bit
easier
to
understand
and
he
had
actually
talked
with
the
general
counsel
about
trying
to
make
some
changes,
but
it
was
too
late
in
the
process
once
the
whole
notice
goes
out
and
there's
notices
on
the
resolution
for
public
notice
and
then
there's
notices
for
the
state
bill
and
the
duval
delegation,
and
so
it
was
you
know
at
that
point.
It
was
too
late
to
make
any
changes
to
make
it
a
little
bit
more
streamlined.
B
But
it's
you
know
that's
kind
of
it's
kind
of
one
of
the
goods
and
one
of
the
bads
about
local
bills.
You
can
write
it,
however,
you
want,
and
as
long
as
there's
an
appetite
for
it
and
support
behind
it,
you
could
call
it
90
seats.
If
you
wanted
to.
B
I
do
like
you
know
it
to
be
a
little
more
streamlined
and
a
little
more
round
numbers,
and
you
know,
as
a
former
restaurateur
for
years
the
small
mom
and
pop
or
family
end,
or
you
know,
restaurants,
that
you
can
run
with
60
people
instead
of
120
people,
I'm
all
for
those.
I
you
know
I
wish
those
are
those
are
great,
and
especially
in
little
communities
like
jacksonville
beach.
To
be
honest
with
you.
B
I
Thank
you.
I
like
what
I'm
hearing
and
yes
jacksonville
really
needs
it
now.
My
concern
at
the
beach
would
be
any
unintended
consequences,
so
we
have
some
restaurants
now
that
are
able
to
serve
liquor
because
they
have
the
100
plus
seat
capacity,
and
they
also
want
to
be
nightclubs
at
night
and
how?
How
would.
E
I
And
so
this
isn't,
for
you
guys.
This
is
specifically
for
is
heather
on
here
for
heather
and
mike
to
look
into
how
our
current
codes
would
be
able
to
protect
against
not
attracting
businesses.
We
want
to
attract
those
small
businesses,
but
from
inhibiting
some
of
the
businesses.
Now
that
are
restaurants
from
turning
into
nightclubs
by
that
this
would
allow
them
to
potentially
do
so.
I'm
just
we,
and
that
has
nothing
to
do
with
you
guys
in
the
j
bill
or
anything
like
that.
That
really
is
making
sure
internally.
B
H
B
Have
to
be
food
or
non-alcoholic
drinks.
That
is
not
to
say
that
there
are
businesses
out
there
in
the
past
and
in
the
future,
who
are
going
to
not
be
a
hundred
percent,
honest
or
upfront
about
that.
So
that
is
typically
and
I,
as
a
former
restaurateur,
would
get
extremely
frustrated
by
groups
where
I
was
following
the
laws
and
others
weren't,
and
sometimes
it
was
hookahs
or
cigars.
Or
I
don't
know
what
a
point
of
sale
system.
B
D
Yeah,
so
so
currently
you
know,
I
don't
feel
like
we
have
any
rhinos
remaining
in
the
restaurant
in
name
only
kind
of
category,
but
my
original
thought
for
this
is
you
know.
I
really
want
people
to
be
able
to
graduate
from
a
food
truck
move
to
move
to
brick
and
mortar.
Allow
our
residents
to
be
able
to
have
a
small,
a
small
restaurant,
that's
a
50-seat
capacity
and
those
groups
that
are
coming
like
that.
I
mean,
I
think,
we're
still
in
a
situation
where
we
have
to
give
them
extended
hours
past
12
o'clock.
D
But
I
would
like
to
say,
if
you're
going
to
take
advantage
of
this,
that
you
need
to
be
closed
at
midnight,
because
I
don't
think
the
type
of
restaurants
that
we're
trying
to
draw.
I
want
people
to
be
able
to
order
martinis
and
whatever
with
dinner,
but
I
really
do
want
to
avoid
any
potential
people
trying
to
take
advantage
of
of
this.
So
I'd
like
to
come
up
with
a
way
that
we
could
say.
Okay,
if
you're
gonna
use
this
down
to
50,
then
you
know
you're.
D
You
know
you're
you're
out
to
close
at
midnight
and
I
think
councilmember
dumont
actually
brought
something,
maybe
think
of
something
too,
and
I
wasn't
sure
if
she
was
reading
in
this
way,
because
the
current
people
that
are
utilizing
150
do
they
go
in
and
remove
100
chairs
down
to
50
and
then
leave
a
big
open
place.
So
they
can
turn
it
into
a
more
of
a
bar
atmosphere
and
I'd
be
concerned
about
that
as
well.
G
I
share
the
same
concern
with
my
colleague
dumont
and
obviously
mr
corey
nichols
there's
still
one
rhino
left,
I
won't
say
their
name,
but
I
think
if
this
was
to
move
forward
and
become
an
issue,
I
think
I
don't
know
if
we
can't
mike,
but
I
know,
obviously
they
can't
remove
the
chairs
and
tables
they
must
stay
in
place,
but
the
kitchen
should
stay
open
and
they
should
continue
to
serve
a
full
menu,
at
least,
but
I
just
I
want
to
attract
the
good
restaurants
coming
here:
carl
catullo,
coutulos,
italian,
restaurant
right
off
atlantic
and
san
pablo.
G
That
would
be
such
a
perfect
fit
here
in
jacksonville
beach,
but
there's
not
a
spot
for
him
to
come
in
and
obviously
everything's
through
the
roof,
but
he's
a
perfect
example
right
now.
He
does
not
have
the
obviously
he's
not
downtown,
but
he
doesn't
have
the
the
amount
of
seats
to
apply
for
an
alcohol
license,
so
he
just
has
beer
and
wine
but
yeah.
I
just
hope
that
once
we
do
move
forward
with
this,
that
no
one
will
take
advantage
of
it
and
turn
themselves
into
a
rhino.
A
So
is
there
a
consensus
from
council
that
perhaps
heather
and
I
put
together
some
bullet
points
of
what
a
sample
program
might
look
like
and
bring
it
back
at
a
future
briefing
for
you
all
to
take
a
look
at.
A
Seeing
a
plethora,
okay,
I
think
I
think
we've
got
a
little
bit
to
work
with
here,
and
I
know
that
heather
and
her
staff
are
creative,
so
we
can
certainly
put
together
an
outline
and
some
bullet
points
and
we'll
bring
it
back
at
an
upcoming
briefing
for
y'all
to
take
a
look
at.
Thank
you.
Alan.
B
Absolutely
happy
to
help
mike
feel
free
to
reach
out
to
me
if
you
have
any
questions
or
heather
or
anything
we're
always
available
to
you
know
any
assistance
necessary.
A
With
that
being
said,
we'll
move
on
to
topic
two
for
tonight,
which
is
an
update
on
the
enterprise
resource
planning
project.
We
have
both
cfo
ashley
gossett
and
our
information
services
director
bill
ryger
on
the
line
to
walk
you
through
a
brief
presentation
with
that
I'll
turn
it
over
to
ashley
and
bill.
J
J
Okay,
so
we
wanted
to
cover
kind
of
four
topics
with
y'all
tonight,
where
we've
been
since
we
last
spoke
in
april
21,
where
we
are
right
now,
where
we're
going
and
then
get
some
feedback
from
you
all
about
credit
card
processing
fees
as
we
work
to
implement
our
utility
bank
solution.
J
J
So
we
spent
some
time
on
viewed
the
demonstration
and
we
measur
measured
their
performance
and
came
to
the
conclusion
that
we
can
proceed
with
tyler
muniz
and
move
our
erp
project
with
them.
Instead
of
having
to
pause,
put
together,
another
request
for
proposal
and
go
out
and
seek
another
software
provider.
J
K
Yes,
these
were
all
introduced
to
me
in
my
very
first
week
here
at
the
city,
so
I
was
glad
to
be
here
that
week
the
first
one
we
talked
about
was
which
version
of
tyler
do
we
go
live
with
for
utility
billing
there's
a
lot
of
moving
parts
and
pieces
there,
including
tyler,
giving
us
some
surprises
relative
to
their
versioning
strategy
as
they
move
forward
as
a
software
provider.
K
But
at
the
end
of
the
day
we
decided
to
move
forward
with
version
2021
versus
2019.
That
was
really
kind
of
the
big
decision
there
and
what
pushed
that
over
the
edge
was
a
product,
that's
coming
with
version
21
called
resident
access.
This
is
how
all
of
our
residents
are
going
to
go
online.
Do
their
bills,
look
at
their
account,
it's
far
more
robust
and
feature
rich
than
version
2019,
which
is
what
put
us
over
the
edge
there.
K
So
we're
going
to
extend
that
and
use
the
funds
that
were
already
approved
for
this
year
and
that
environment
is
what
is
going
to
host
the
tyler
software
moving
forward,
at
least
for
the
next
three
or
four
years,
and
we
will
continue
to
have
discussions
with
tyler
about
their
cloud
offerings
and
when
it
might
make
sense
to
move
over
to
that
at
some
point
in
the
future.
K
We
feel
like
they're,
going
to
force
us
to
move
over
to
their
cloud
offering,
but
we
don't
have
to
do
that
right
now,
so
we're
going
to
host
on
premise
here,
all
the
software
will
be
located
here
and
the
final
decision
process
we
need
to
go
through
that
we're
still
working
through
a
little
bit
and
we'll
there's
some
implications
based
on
this
discussion.
Here
is
our
payment
processor
selection.
K
K
J
J
If
we
were
to
move
forward
to
the
different
solutions
and
if
we
were
to
move
forward
with
a
different
solution
solution,
they
were
to
help
us
develop
kind
of
a
process
and
integration
capabilities
between
our
current
software
and
our
future
software.
But
because
we
made
the
decision
to
move
forward
with
tyler,
we
have
not
needed
to
action.
These
two
tasks.
K
So
to
finalize
what
kind
of
our
current
status
is?
We
have
detailed
project
plans
and
development
myself,
and
members
of
my
team
are
working
on
that
in
conjunction
with
tyler
and
gartner.
So
the
plan
is
to
to
do
this.
Software
upgrade
this
summer
from
version
2018
to
version
2021.
K
For
the
reasons
I
talked
about
earlier,
we're
going
to
start
the
utility
billing
implementation
this
summer
and
go
live
in
the
in
q2
of
fiscal
year,
2023
we're
targeting
february
first
right
now
we're
holding
on
to
that
data
a
little
bit
loosely
until
we
find
out
some
more
information.
But
I
feel
pretty
good
about
that.
K
As
of
right
now
we
will
begin
human
capital
management
or
the
hr
platform
implementation
q2
of
2023,
hopefully
in
the
beginning
of
the
calendar
year
next
year
in
january,
and
then
go
live
with
that
q1
2024
later
that
calendar
year.
That's
the
plan
right
now.
K
These
things
are
subject
to
change
based
on
the
demands
of
the
city,
but
this
is
kind
of
how
we
see
it
right
now.
D
J
Recap
what
bill
and
I
have
talked
about
what
you
see
in
front
of
you-
the
chart
is
kind
of
what
the
tasking
set
forth
in
our
gartner
engagement
and
then
we
put
the
status
and
costs
next
to
each
of
them,
so
council
approved
six
hundred
and
twenty
thousand
dollars
as
part
of
our
kind
of
reboot,
and
we
have
completed
half
of
the
tasks
and
the
items
in
red
are
the
things
we
did
not
need
to
work
on
because
we
decided
to
stay
with
tyler.
J
So
I
think
we're
coming
up
to
our
first
council
kind
of
feedback
and
guidance
that
we're
seeking
tonight
would
council
support
us
using
the
funds
from
our
unoptioned
gartner
task
for
additional
implementation,
support
and
payment
processing
support.
So
the
unknowns
that
we
touched
on
earlier
was
payment
processing.
J
That
is
not
a
part
of
the
tyler
engagement
and
as
we
learn
more
about
it,
it's
extremely
complex.
So,
right
now,
with
our
payment
processing
and
sunguard,
our
methods
have
built
up
over
a
30-year
time
period.
You
know
the
very
first
thing
we
offered
was
just
checks
and
cash
to
counter
and
then
the
next
thing
we
offered
was
people
doing
bank
drafting
and
then
the
next
thing
we
offered
was
the
e-check
program,
and
the
next
thing
we
offered
was,
you
know,
accepting
credit
cards
through
a
third
party.
J
J
So
our
goal
in
the
payment
processor
was
to
have
something
that
is
customer
friendly
kind
of
meeting
our
customers
where
they
want
to
be
kind
of
offering
something,
that's
convenient
and
readily
available
online
on
the
phone
and
at
the
counter.
But
we
also
want
to
have
something:
that's
achievable
for
our
staff
to
manage
in
terms
of
the
reconciliation
and
the
transparency.
J
One
of
the
things
we
struggle
with
now
is
when
somebody
makes
a
payment
online.
Sometimes
we
don't
have
visibility
into
that
payment
for
24
hours,
because
the
way
it's
processing
through
the
bank
and
so
the
final
thing
we're
looking
for,
is
kind
of
is
this
affordable.
I
mean,
I
know
that
you're,
aware
of
kind
of
credit
card,
processing
fees
and
kind
of
the
the
structure
with
the
banks.
If
we
have
something,
that's
just
cost
prohibitive.
G
Okay,
I
just
the
other
question
I
had
was
about.
You
know
the
fees
that
were
gonna
come
with
it.
Do
you
have
an
idea
of
what
that
ranges.
G
A
Any
any
concerns
with
finance
and
is
looking
at
repurposing
those
funds.
J
K
So
this
is
more
of
a
forward-looking
part
of
the
discussion
for
erp
2.0.
I've
been
having
many
conversations
with
the
directors
here
about
technology
needs,
and
this
somewhat
started
before
there's
some
a
little
bit
of
mixing
with
erp
1.0,
but
we're
calling
a
little
bit
of
delineation
with
erp
2.0
to
land
management
applications.
K
So
this
would
be
code
enforcement,
permitting
gis
asset
management
and
document
management
system.
There
are
actually
two
of
these
that
are
in
our
new
strategic
plan
that
council
recently
passed
the
first
one
is
asset
management
and
the
other
is
the
corresponding
document
management.
If
you
go
to
the
next
slide
ashley,
we
can
talk
a
little
bit
about
dates.
These
dates
are
reflected
in
that
strategic
plan
that
the
city
manager
has
presented
to
city
council
for
those
two
specific
things,
these
other
things
that
we're
talking
about
permitting
code
enforcement
gis.
K
They
will
also
fall
within
these
dates,
but
are
not
in
and
of
themselves
a
part
of
that
strategic
plan.
They
will
be
a
part
of
erp
2.0,
and
these
are
the
steps
we're
going
to
be
taking
inside
of
this
timeline
here,
select
an
engagement,
consulting
firm
to
help
us
develop
a
functional
requirement
documents
similar
to
what
we
did
with
erp
1.0
and
utility
billing.
They
will
help
us
develop
an
rfp
to
take
to
market
they'll,
help
us
go
to
the
vendor
selection
and
contract
negotiation
process
and
ultimately
help
us
deploy
the
new
system.
K
We
want
to
begin
that
work
next
calendar
year,
so
be
fiscal
year
23.
We
would
begin
that
work
of
working
with
that
firm
and
going
through
all
of
our
areas
and
and
putting
together
functional
requirements.
So
that
is
what
we're
calling
erp
2.0.
We
think
it's
not
smart
to
try
and
accomplish
erp,
1.0
and
2.0.
At
the
same
time,
there's
way
too
much
change
going
through
the
organization
to
try
and
pull
that
off
successfully.
K
J
Okay,
so
now
I'll
circle
back
around
to
credit
card
processing
keys,
so
where
we
are
right
now
as
a
city
is
our
utility?
Customers
can
pay
their
bills
online
through
a
third
party
processor,
we
use
speedpay
western
union
and
they
collect
4.95
per
500
on
the
credit
card
payments
and
western
union
collects
that
money
and
keeps
that
money.
The
city
never
sees
the
4.95
per
payment.
J
We
just
received
the
utility
about
due
to
us
and
when
we
first
went
down
the
path
of
credit
cards
back
in
2013-14,
when
we,
our
project
plan,
had
been
just
to
upgrade
sun
guard,
we
came
to
council
at
the
time,
and
council
approved
a
two
percent
convenience
fee
when
anyone
wanted
to
present
a
credit
card
for
payment,
but
the
sungard
project
did
not
go
forward,
so
we
never
actioned
that
two
percent
convenience
fee
for
the
city,
accepting
credit
card
payments
so
where
we
are
today.
J
I
thought
the
council
might
be
interested
in
kind
of
seeing
our
beaches
energy
customers,
our
utility
customers,
the
way
in
which
they
make
payments
to
us
right
now-
and
I
kind
of
spoke
about
this
earlier
kind
of
all
the
different
payment
methods
that
we
have,
how
they
kind
of
grew
up
over
the
last
30
years
and,
as
you
can
see
in
the
chart
here,
23
of
our
customers
are
signed
up
and
they
paid
by
bank
draft,
and
then
we
have
another
23
of
our
customers
that
go
to
our
website
and
pay
vap
check
and
right
now
we
only
have
six
percent
of
our
customers
paying
by
credit
card
and
that's
you
know
almost
evenly
split
between
going
on
to
our
website
and
making
the
credit
card
payment
or
calling
into
our
interactive
voice
recognition
system
and
paying
by
phone.
J
So
we
are
not
quite
certain
how
this
is
going
to
change
when
we
move
to
a
new
system
and
a
new
payment
processing
option,
because
some
of
our
customer
behaviors
are
kind
of
they're
who
our
customers
are.
You
see
about.
15
of
our
customers
are
paying
by
mail
and
whenever
we
kind
of
have
a
conversation
with
them,
most
of
those
customers
say
well,
that's
how
I
you
know
do
my
personal
finances.
I
want
to
write
you
a
check
and
mail
it
to
you
and
I'm.
E
J
In
making
a
change
so
we're
not
entirely
certain
how
much
this
is
going
to
shift
when
we
are
able
to
move
to
our
new
processing
system
with
munis.
J
Yes,
yes,
that
we
expect
to
see
a
little
bit
of
change
there,
because
right
now,
when
someone
has
a
deposit
on
a
new
account
because
we're
not
able
to
pay
by
a
credit
card
online,
they
have
to
physically
come
to
us
with
their
application
and
their
deposit
fee.
J
J
J
So
some
of
the
considerations
we
wanted
to
put
out
in
front
of
council
is:
we
did
a
survey
of
some
of
the
other
florida
public
utilities,
kind
of
our
neighbors.
Our
partners
and
the
majority
of
them
are
charging
a
convenience
fee
to
their
customer
and
that
convenience
fee
varies.
You
know,
I've
seen
a
lot
of
differences.
J
Ocala
is
4.75
per
500
and
I've
got
a
kind
of
a
laundry
list,
but
it's
not
uncommon
for
public
utilities
to
charge
a
convenience
fee
for
someone
paying
by
credit
card,
and
we
did
some
data
data
modeling
on
what
kind
of
the
city's
cost
would
be
if
we
considered
absorbing
fees
and
the
kind
of
the
numbers
vary
based
on
participation
rates,
but
we're
looking
at
maybe
400
000
up
to
a
million
dollars
a
year
and
credit
card
fees.
J
If
you
know
we
make
that
option
available
to
our
customer
without
any
kind
of
convenience
fee,
and
so,
if
we're
looking
at
an
additional
million
dollars
in
expenses
per
year,
then
we
would
probably
want
to
come
back
to
council
and
ask
for
some
consideration
in
adjusting
the
rates
for
each
of
our
utilities.
Electric
water,
sewer,
storm
water
and
sanitation
to
recover
those
additional
expenses.
J
G
J
Yeah,
so
we
try
and
do
periodic
kind
of
education
events
about
all
the
different
options
our
customers
have
to
pay,
because
we
want
to
make
it
as
convenient
as
possible
and
so
anecdotally,
when
we
have
someone
paying
by
the
mail.
As
we're
all
aware,
the
u.s
post
office
has
seen
kind
of
a
slow
down
in
the
last
year
or
two,
so
we
have
people
that
are
kind
of
late
paying
where
they
have
not
previously
been
late
payers,
and
it's
because
we're
seeing
a
one
to
two
day
delay
in
the
post
office.
J
L
J
You
can,
as
you
can
see,
they're
using
them,
so
we'll
still
have
a
pay-by-mail
option.
We'll
still
have
a
walk-up
option,
we're
just
looking
to
make
our
online
option
more
robust
and
we're
looking
to
actually
accept
a
credit
card
at
a
face-to-face
transaction,
which
is
what
we're
unable
to
do
right
now.
G
Yes,
this
one,
so
you
were
saying
that
if
we
were
to,
if
the
city
was
to
absorb
all
the
processing
fees
and
obviously
the
tax,
the
residents
when
they
pay
with
credit
card,
that
we
will
be
absorbing
400
to
a
million
dollars
a
year
or
for
the
year,
that's
if
we
absorb
the
all
the
feasts.
Is
that
correct.
G
J
G
Okay,
I
don't
for
me
my
opinion.
I
don't
see
a
problem
if
I
wanted
to
pay
with
a
credit
card
and
paying
that
convenience
fee,
I
don't
mind
it,
so
I
don't
know
where
the
other
council
members
and
the
mayor
stand
on
this,
but
I
don't
know
if
the
city
should
absorb.
I
don't
think
the
city
should
should
absorb
the
fees,
that's
my
opinion.
So.
F
Can
you
go
back
one
ashley
to
the
pie
chart
and
I
might
just
be-
I
might
have
missed
this.
When
can
you
tell,
can
you
talk
about
the
difference
between
online
e-check,
online
banking
and
bank
draft
sure.
J
Online
baking
is
people
that
are
going
online
with
their
own
personal
bank
and
setting
up
auto
pay
within
their
own
bank,
and
so
17
of
our
customers
want
to
have
that
set
up
with
their
own
bank
and
what
the
bank
does
is
transfer
files
to
us.
And
so
that's
why
we
have
them
as
its
own
kind
of
wedge
and
an
online
e-check
is
somebody
going
to
our
beaches.
J
Energy
website,
logging
in
and
saying
make
my
payment
and
then
make
my
payment
by
like
bank
account,
so
that
is
the
online
e-check
and
the
phone
e-check?
Is
them
doing
the
exact
same
thing,
but
just
calling
us
calling
our
customer
support
line
to
make
the
payment.
F
Okay,
so
basically
kind
of
the
upper
left
quadrant
is
really
the
only
section
that
requires
kind
of
physical.
You
know
bodies,
people
being
there
at
the
counter
people
opening
up
a
check
making
a
deposit
that
sort
of
thing.
So
because
what
I
was
looking
for
is
you
know
the
400
000
to
a
million
dollars
certainly
would
be
offset
by
a
reduction
in
in
labor
costs,
but
but
really
that's,
probably
negligible.
Looking
at
this.
J
Yeah,
I
don't
know
that
I
would
see
any
kind
of
change
into
our
staff's
effort,
because
the
bank
dropped
the
online
banking,
the
e-check,
they
all
have
kind
of
this
import
integration,
validation,
steps
that
we'd
be
taking.
What
we
would
expect
to
see
is
kind
of
a
consolidation
of
like
some
of
these.
Instead
of
going
to
one
two,
three,
four:
five:
six
different
providers
for
these
things.
F
J
I
think
we
want
to
encourage
customers
to
to
make
their
payment
the
way
that
they
are
most
comfortable
making
their
payment,
and
I
think
you
know
the
mail
honestly.
The
mail
is
the
payment
method
that
concerns
me
most
right
now
because
of
the
delays
in
the
post
office.
J
We've
had
to
do
kind
of
some
manual
exceptioning
on
our
late
pays
and
our
disconnect
list,
because
we
see
that
there's
a
slow
down
in
the
post
office,
but
I
think
you
know
we
really
just
want
to
encourage
our
customers
to
find
the
right
fit
for
them
that
that
they
can
make
their
payment
a
timely
manner.
H
Yeah
quick
question
for
you:
if
it
were
million
dollars
absorbed
how
much
would
that
affect
everyone's
bill
if
we
spread
it
across
the
board?
Just
out
of
curiosity
like
how
many
customers
do
you
have
a
random
number
of
how
many
customers
we
are
and
what
that
would
mean
as
far
as
our
bills
concerned.
J
A
I
As
one
of
those
15
who
still
pays
by
check
in
the
mail
always
on
time,
bill
comes
in
next
day.
It's
in
the
check
and
the
bill
is
in
the
mailbox.
Somebody's
got
to
keep
the
post
office
working,
I'm
more
than
happy
of
passing
along
the
convenience
fees
for
those
who
choose
to
pay
by
credit
card,
or
that's
their
only
option.
I
I
really
think
most
people
will
continue
to
somehow
connect
it
to
their
bank
and,
if
they're,
paying
by
credit
card,
it
means
there's
not
enough
funds
in
the
bank
to
cover
the
the
the
bill.
Unfortunately,.
A
J
J
So
our
next
steps
are
to
kind
of
keep
moving
forward
with
the
implementation
project
and,
at
a
later
date,
we'll
be
back
in
front
of
council
for
formal
approval
about
what
the
convenience
fee
will
be.
So
you
know
we're
going
to
have
to
do
some
kind
of
exploratory
research
to
figure
out
where,
where
that
fee
should
be
set
at,
so
we
anticipate
being
back
in
front
of
council
before
implementation
day.
A
L
All
right
well,
thank
you
mike
and
good
evening
council
on
your
agenda
tonight
is
the
remote
participation
policy
for
a
second
time
in
preparation
for
our
meeting
tonight,
two
drafts
were
forwarded
to
you
to
review
if
you
have
them
available.
That
would
be
great,
but
the
first
draft
is
marked
first
draft,
and
that
is
the
draft
that
you
discussed
at
your
briefing
in
january.
L
The
second
draft
incorporated
some
of
your
suggestions
and
comments
from
that
first
briefing,
and
hopefully
they.
The
second
draft
will
alleviate
some
of
the
concerns
that
members
expressed
during
that
first
briefing,
I'm
going
to
pull
up
the
second
draft,
so
if
you
have
the
first
available
to
compare
it
with,
that
will
be
helpful.
L
So
can
everyone
see
the
draft
that's
on
the
screen.
L
So
if
you
have
the
first
draft
most
of
the
comments
that
were
made
in
that
first
briefing
are
contained
in
section
two
of
the
first
draft:
the
incorporated
changes
in
the
second
draft
ones.
That's
on
the
screen
are
contained
in
section
three
and
if
you
will
we'll
walk
through
those-
and
I
will
summarize
the
essence
of
the
major
revisions.
I
Excuse
me:
can
you
go
out
of
the
four
page
mode
and
just
zoom
in
on
one
page
at
a
time?
Yes,
ma'am.
L
Okay,
so
in
in
the
first
draft,
most
of
the
comments
were
made
to
section
two
in
this
draft.
Most
of
those
comments
have
been
revised
or
added
to
in
section
three,
and
in
summary,
what
section
three
does
differently
than
section
two
is
as
a
few
things.
First
of
all,
in
the
first
draft,
it
was
almost
automatic
that
a
city
council
member
could
participate
in
a
meeting
from
a
remote
location.
L
There
was
really
no
approval
process
in
place,
while
we
had
conditions
available
for
that
member
to
utilize
as
a
reason
that
member
was
not
limited
to
the
conditions
that
were
set
forth
in
section
3..
As
you
read
through
this
current
version,
there
is
an
approval
process
and
the
details
for
acquiring
that
approval
are
laid
out
in
a
little
bit
more
detail.
L
First
of
all,
there
is
a
requirement
that
the
a
council
meet
member
who's.
Seeking
approval
shall
seek
that
approval
through
the
mayor,
and
then
there
is
the
requirement
that
that
request
is
reduced
to
writing
and
that
the
member
explain
or
describe
the
nature
of
their
circumstance
with
a
certain
level
of
specificity.
L
L
As
you
can
see
in
this
last
paragraph
of
section
three,
the
mayor
is
vested
or
conferred
with
the
authority
to
grant
or
deny
approval
based
on
these
council,
appoint
approved
conditions
and,
and
what
that
means,
in
essence,
is
once
the
member
actually
sends
that
request
in
if
it
falls
within
these
three
four
categories.
L
Based
on
the
description,
the
mayor
is
solely
authorized
to
approve
this
in
advance
of
a
meeting.
If
the
mayor
denies
it
a
later,
provision
would
require
the
mayor
to
put
on
the
record
the
reason
for
that
denial,
but
that
was
a
condition
that
was
addressed
in
part
in
our
last
version
as
well
before
I
move
from
this
page.
L
Later
there
was
a
conscious
decision
on
my
part
to
put
the
mayor
there,
primarily
because
I
think
unwittingly
we
would
be
subjecting
the
city
manager
to
a
conflicted
position
when
he
or
she
is
placed
in
the
role
of
having
to
deny
one
of
his
or
her
supervisors
of
this
approval.
That
is
not
automatically
now
granted
to
to
a
member.
So
I
think
whether
you
want
to
keep
that
suggestion
or
not.
L
D
Okay,
a
couple
different
things
that
last
paragraph:
just
because
we
went
through
it,
the
in
his
or
her
soul
discretion
can
we
just
put
it
in
their
soul
discretion.
I
don't
think
we
need
his
or
her
that
that,
and
you
know
I
just
I
don't
think
we
need
both
words,
their
own,
their
civil
discretion.
Now
so
my
concern
about
having
this
is
a
two-part
question.
If
the
mayor
is
approving
it
is
the
mayor
allowed
to
to
request
to
be
remote
and
the
reason
I
asked
that
is.
D
First
of
all,
I
think
it
would
be
next
to
impossible
for
a
mayor
to
run
a
city
council
meeting
with
having
because
they
have
to
look
at
the
board.
There's
a
lot
of
other
stuff
going
on
is
a
mayor
allowed
to
request
to
work
to
to
be
virtual,
and
then,
if
the
mayor
is
making
that
request,
are
they
going
to
grant
and
deny
their
own
their
own
request,
or
will
that
go
to
somebody
else
on
council,
mayor
pro
temp
or
but
I
you
know
it
just
goes
back
to.
D
I
don't
know
how
the
mayor
would
do
it
remotely
knowing
the
responsibilities
from
the
diocese
that
needs
to
be
needs
to
be
accomplished,
but
if
y'all
can
figure
out
that
way,
then
I'm
I'd
be
interested
to
know
how
that
will
work.
And
then,
if
the
mayor
as
a
as
really
just
a
a
council
member
is
unable
to
remote
in,
is
it
fair
for
other
council
members
to
be
able
to
virtually
attend
meetings.
D
L
It's
not
addressed
by
this
current
text,
so
we
can
include
some
language
in
to
provide
for
that
particular
possibility
with
respect
to
the
virtual
attendance,
I'm
I'm
not
really
sure
if
it's
going
to
be
as
demanding
as
is
conveyed
by
the
question
and
the
reason
I
say
that
is,
if
we
look
at
the
traditional
forms
of
what
cmt
technology
is
constituted
by
there
are
various
types
of
ways
a
member
can
participate
remotely.
L
D
They
will
not
be
able
to
see
the
they
will
not
be
able
to
see
the
lights
on
the
on
the
diocese
right.
It
would
be
very
difficult
for
the
mayor
to
run
that
meeting.
L
L
By
virtue
of
that
request,
the
mayor
has
to
acknowledge
that
you
know
the
administrative
conduct
of
the
process
of
the
meeting
will
have
to
go
to
the
mayor
pro
tem.
We
might
actually,
depending
on
how
we
want
to
sort
of
utilize,
the
el,
the
legislative
policy
manual.
We
could
have
some
language
in
there
when
it's
talking
about
the
mayor
pro
tem
as
taking
over
when
the
mayor
is
unavailable,
including
if
the
mayor
is
also
participating
or
unable
to
participate
physically
at
the
public
meeting
place.
So
there.
L
D
L
Yes,
sir,
and
I
think
one
of
your
questions
was
also
about
you-
know,
members
participating
again.
I
think
we
touched
on
this
in
our
lab
in
our
first
briefing,
based
on
the
way
the
law
has
been
interpreted
currently
have
the
right
to
participate
remotely
provided
there
are
are
certain
conditions
in
place,
namely
that
there's
a
quorum
physically
present,
and
so
you
know
I
I
think
we
can
accommodate
in
our
our
rules
or
processes
if
more
than
one
member
is
taking
advantage
of
that
particular
opportunity.
D
Thank
you,
so,
okay,
so
my
other
questions
have
related
to
section
three
number
one
health
related
matters.
Are
we
potentially
getting
into
hipaa
issues
if
they're
having
to
define
and
writing
what
their
physical
ailment
or
health
related
issue
is,
and
will
that
be
made
public
at
a
council
meeting?
If
the
mayor
determines
that
it
is
not
a
at
their
solar
discretion
approved,
it
would
have
to
come
out
in
a
city
council
meeting.
L
I
I
would
probably
state
that
it's
private,
a
privacy
issue
more
than
a
hipaa
issue,
hippa,
is
applicable
to
certain
organizations,
define
a
specific
way
in
the
statute,
so
it
doesn't
attach
to
every
individual
or
body
that
happens
to
come
into
contact
with
medical
information
on
an
individual.
L
But
again,
privacy
issues
are
a
little
bit
more
broadly
considered
under
the
law
and
we
might
have
those.
So
again,
it
should
be
enough
with
the
level
of
specific
specificity
sufficient
to
support
the
approval.
I
don't
think
you
have
to
go
into
a
lot
of
details
when,
if
you
say
I'm,
you
know
I'm
sick
or
something
like
that
absent
a
provision
that
the
council
wants
to
include,
which
requires
something
other
than
I'm
sick
or
I'm
ill.
D
Okay
and
but
then
I
guess
you
know,
if
detail
is
in
an
email
to
the
man
to
the
city
to
the
mayor,
then
it
is
just
it
becomes
public
record
and
it's
it's
would
be
open
to
sunshine
laws
right.
L
Yes,
it's
a
matter
of
transacting
if
it's
in
the
nature
of
transacting
business,
which
this
obviously
would
be
so
again,
you
can
delete
well,
not
delete,
but
I
really
don't
think
you
need
as
much
detail
on
the
health
related
matter
as
is
being
sort
of
conveyed
by
some
of
the
comments.
L
L
Of
handing
it
over
so
if
what
the
level
of
specificity
can
be
addressed
through
the
redaction
process,
we
will
do
that.
D
Number
two
section
three
number
two
full
support
of
military
and
those
that
serve
our
country.
I
don't
know
if
somebody
has
deployed
for
nine
months
or
a
year
or,
however
long
it
get
deployed,
for
I
think
in
the
other
section,
when
we
limit
the
number
of
meetings
they
can
do
this
for
per
year.
That
might
end
up
being
a
a
challenge.
I
guess
my
other
question
is
number
four.
D
Where
it
says
council
member
is
physically
located
in
such
a
place
so
as
to
make
his
or
her
we
can
probably
get
rid
of
his
or
her
and
timely
attendance
in
the
meeting
place
impossible
or
highly
improbable.
Can
you
give
me
an
example
of
something
that
would
fall
into
that
category
because
of
work?
If
you
have
to
go
out
of
town
for
work
or
if
you're
on
vacation?
If
those
are
those
who
put
you,
it
seemed
like
those
would
fall
into
that
category.
L
They
could
fall
in
that
category,
but
so
could,
let's
just
say
you
work
in
jacksonville
and
you
have
to
cross
one
of
those
bridges
and
for
some
reason,
there's
a
backup
or
an
accident
on
that
bridge
or
causing
a
backup
on
the
bridge
and
you're
stuck
for
hours,
just
waiting
to
pass
you're,
not
you're,
not
prevented
from
making
phone
calls,
and
that
could
be
one
of
those
situations.
Where
listen,
I'm
stuck
on
a
bridge,
and
I
I
it's
going
to
be
hours.
L
It's
been
hours,
it's
likely
to
be
hours
before
I'm
going
to
be
able
to
move.
I
cannot
make
it
to
city
hall
by
the
time
the
meeting
takes
place.
May
I
have
permission
to
dial
in
and
participate
from
my
car
on
my
phone.
That's
to
me
one
of
those
things
that
could
easily
occur,
especially
in
an
area
where
you've
got
bridges
and
a
lot.
D
L
Exactly
exactly
so
you've
you've
made,
you
know,
exercise
some
due
diligence
to
get
back
in
time,
but,
let's
just
say,
a
flight
was
cancelled
due
to
you
know,
circumstances
that
were
not
caused
by
you,
but
you
know
a
mechanical
breakdown
things
of
that
nature.
L
But
their
reason
reasons
for
doing
so
or
needing
to
do
so
are
not
set
forth
in
those
four
paragraphs
that
we
just
went
through
and
so
in
the
event
that
this
a
member
wants
to
attend
remotely,
and
it's
not
one
of
those
pre-approved
conditions
for
a
reason.
That's
not
one
of
those
pre-approved
conditions,
then
they
can
seek
permission
to
participate
remotely
for
good
cause
shown,
and
in
this
particular
paragraph,
what
we've
done
is
set
forth,
how
the
approval
will
be
acquired
if
at
all,
for
those
kinds
of
requests.
L
If
someone
can't
meet
that
and
still
wants
to
make
a
plea
to
participate
remotely,
that
request
would
have
to
come
to
city,
council
and
city
council
members
that
are
present
in
the
the
meeting
would
determine
whether
that
member
has
demonstrated
good
cause
in
their
reasoning
and
also
vote,
whether
their
request
should
be
approved
or
denied.
E
L
L
What
has
been
included
in
this
draft
and
which
was
not
included
in
the
first,
is
an
opportunity
for
us
to
define
communications
meeting
with
technology
and
by
defining
it
I
mean
that
we
can
limit
it
to
specific
types
of
technology.
If
that's
the
wish
of
council,
I
didn't
try
to
fill
that
in
because
you
know.
L
And
then
section
6
provides
for
us
to
decide
or
the
council
to
decide
how
many
times
a
calendar
year
or
within
a
12-month
period
or
even
shorter
period,
a
member
can
participate
remotely
again.
I
didn't
want
to
you
know,
step
into
council
space
and
offer
a
number
of
of
times
for
you
to
consider,
but
certainly,
if
I
bootstrap
this
section
with
what
marriage
pro
tem
nichols
earlier
asked,
this
could
end
up
having
a
negative
impact
on
someone
who
is
under
a
military
deployment.
But
of
course,
I
think
the
consideration
in
that
instance
would
be.
L
So
I
think
that
constitutes
basically
the
major
changes
between
the
two
drafts.
There
was
some
word
smithing
throughout
I'm,
going
to
scroll
back
up
to
that
first
page
or
the
second
page
section.
Two
paragraph
three
provides
for
advanced
notice
to
be
given
to
either
the
city,
clerk
or
city
manager,
primarily
to
have
that
person
make
sure
that
they're
able
to
be
heard
during
the
meeting,
or
you
could
say
it's
just
an
initial
heads
up.
L
However,
you
want
to
describe
it,
but
I
didn't
choose
between
the
city
clerk
and
the
city
manager
here
the
function
that
one
of
them
would
serve
as
purely
administrative,
but
council
can
elect
whether
that
notice
should
come
through
the
city
clerk
or
through
the
city
manager,
and
I
think
that
summarizes
again
everything
that
is
a
major
revision,
and
I
will
conclude
my
comments
with
that.
D
Nichols
in
section
six,
I
think
I'd
like
to
suggest
no
more
than
four
times
in
a
calendar
year
and
no
more
than
two
concurrent
meetings.
D
H
So
a
couple
questions
come
to
mind
number
one
on
the
health
related
matters.
We
didn't
talk
about
the
capacity
of
the
individual
to
make
decisions
at
a
meeting.
H
H
If
you
have
some
influences
by
medication?
Number
one
number
two
quasi
judicial
voting.
H
If
somebody's
on
the
phone
are
we
going
to
accept
that
they
participate
in
the
quasi-judicial
voting
and
then
thirdly,
another
thing
that
came
to
mind
was:
if
any
evidence
is
presented
to
the
council
would
seem
to
me
they
would
have
to
be
able
to
visualize
said
evidence
if
it's
brought
before
the
council.
So
if
it's
a,
if
it's
a
phone
in,
that's
not
going
to
work
and
then
lastly,.
H
L
Well,
I'm
going
to
respond.
I
think
some
of
your
questions
will
be
answered
in
this
one
response
relative
to
a
member
having
a
health
related
issue.
So
the
comment
was
whether
or
not
that
member
would
be
under
some
kind
of
medication
or
have
his
or
her
capacity
impaired
in
some
way
by
medication.
L
I
mean,
I
think
in
actuality,
sir,
and
this
is
very
respectfully-
someone
could
be
in
under
medication
and
showing
up
at
the
meeting.
So
the
key
is
once
we
we
allow
the
participation
from
a
remote
location
or
we
put
conditions
out
there
for
that
participation.
L
L
You
know
not
only
are
their
privacy
issues
related
to
that
the
exercise
of
that
one
condition,
but
theoretically,
that
opens
up
the
door
to
considering
the
capacity
of
those
people
who
are
on
the
dias,
who
might
vote
in
a
way
that
you
might
not
agree
or
think
is
not
supported
by
sort
of
thoughtful
analysis.
So
I
mean
I
I
I
hear
what
you're
saying,
but
I
think
at
some
point
at
some
point.
L
L
Section
four
actually
addresses
your
question
relative
to
having
the
ability
or
the
opportunity
to
have
the
material
available
to
see
before
exercising
the
vote.
So
in
section
four,
the
clerk
has
to
make
suitable
arrangements
to
ensure
that
that
person
can
be
heard
and
also
to
make
sure
that
they
have
available
to
them
even
by
access
that
information
that
would
be
considered
by
the
council
during
that
particular
meeting,
and
also
there
are
some
reporting
requirements
required
as
well.
L
We
have
to
put
certain
information
in
the
minutes
again,
hopefully
to
operate
as
a
a
reason
or
a
manner
to
dissuade
or
discourage
members
from
utilizing
or
over
utilizing
this
privilege
in
the
future.
But
we
do
have
some
safeguards
that
we
thought
of
in
advance.
There
are
certain
leave
room
for
us
to
add
additional
conditions
to
this
privilege
again,
I
think,
with
sort
of
due
regard
to
people's
to
people's
rights.
H
I
think
you
covered
them.
I
also
think
that
when
it
comes
to
the
health-related
matter,
what
opens
the
door?
Is
this
policy?
Not
when
we
start
asking?
Are
they
impaired
or
not,
but
that's
all
and
due
respect
as
well.
Yeah.
L
Yeah,
it
is
it's
a
tough,
it's
a
tough
road.
At
this
point,
when
the
question
came
up,
you
know,
the
state
of
law
is
that
the
right
already
exists,
and
so
the
discussion
around
adopting
a
policy
was
really
sort
of
intended
to
standardize
the
processes,
so
that
you
know
the
primarily
the
public
would
not
be
concerned
as
to
whether
or
not
what
was
going
on
could
in
fact
legally
go
on,
but.
L
The
briefings
yes,
sir,
so
the
briefings
are
not
a
regular,
well
they're,
just
meetings
of
the
council
where
there
aren't
votes
cast.
So
I
don't
think
there
are
any
provisions
in
place
currently
relative
to
attendance
for
regular
meetings
or
regular
meetings
that
are
labeled
as
briefings
or
workshops.
L
But
this
just
applies
to
members
of
meetings
of
the
council,
and
I
would
I
would
probably
speculate
more
than
anything,
but
I
would
guess
that
a
member
would
not
seek
this
level
of
approval
to
participate
in
a
briefing
because
you've
got
as
a
policy.
You
don't
do
any
voting
during
the
briefing,
and
so
you
know
it's
basically
a
listening
session
session
for
council
in
in
in
most
respects.
L
H
No,
I
understand
we
don't
vote,
obviously,
but
we
do
kind
of
set
direction.
So
there
is.
There
is
input
from
the
council
whether
when
the
administrative
staff,
the
city
manager,
is
looking
for
direction
or
or
yourself
even
looking
for
a
direction
where
to
go,
then
the
participation
is
kind
of
important.
A
If
I
can
maybe
make
a
suggestion
to
council
that
the
the
ability
to
participate
remotely
in
a
regular
meeting
versus
the
council
taking
disciplinary
action
against
its
own
members
for
not
attending
council
meetings
or
briefings,
are
two
discrete
and
separate
topics
and
right
now
we're
talking
about
figuring
out
how
to
let
a
member
of
the
council
participate
remotely
because
they
want
to
versus
council.
Looking
at
each
other
and
saying
we
haven't
seen
a
council
member
in
30
days,
and
they
just
don't
show
up
to
any
of
our
meetings
anymore.
I
Thank
you
mike.
You
took
my
my
my
you
took
the
words
right
out
of
my
mouth.
We
don't
have
policies
on
people
showing
up
in
person
or
not
in
person
regarding
other
than
voting,
and
that's
what
this
is
really
about.
It's
about
voting
with
regard
to
briefings,
they're
already
done
remotely,
so
there's
no
need
to
request
to
do
it
remotely
because
we're
already
remote
the.
What
is
the
other
piece
that
I
wanted
to
say:
the
mode
of
participation
because
of
our
current
capacity
and
capabilities
within
the
council
chambers.
I
I
would
just
leave
it
at
phone
and
it's
the
easiest
way
for
people
to
be
able
to
phone
in,
and
we
don't
really
have
the
technology
to
make
it
seamless
for
somebody
to
zoom
into
a
council
meeting
without
having
a
a
lot
of
extra
work
that
has
to
go
into
it
on
the
clerk's
side.
I
So
in
fairness
to
the
staff,
as
well
as
the
rest
of
the
members,
I
would
say
the
media
would
be
just
a
regular
you,
you
call
in
you
got
a
phone
in
then
with
the
approval
to
participate
and
attend
and
vote
remotely.
The
numbers
that
were
put
out
I'm
fine
with
but
again
what
is
it
we're
trying
to
do
here?
I
You
know
if
we
just
stop
showing
up
at
council
meeting,
there's
nothing,
that's
going
to
be
done
under
the
current
policy.
Yes,
you'd
face
it
when
you,
if
you
want
to
re,
run
again,
but
there's
no
current
policy,
saying
oh
now
we're
going
to
do
something
and
we
don't
even
know
what
that
something
would
be.
But
for
the
section
five
one
I
think
phone
is
the
simplest,
cleanest,
most
accessible,
medium
available.
E
E
If
we
have
the
technology
to
do
it
by
video
that
we
can
so
I
mean,
I
would
think
that
we
don't
have
to
specify
that
it's
that
it's
one
or
the
other,
but
we
could
say
that
and-
and
I
I
can
try
to
find-
there
was
one-
and
one
in
particular
that
I
that
I
saw
that
actually
had
the
language
and
I'm
not
finding
it
right
this
second,
but
I
would
think
that
we
could
leave
that
a
little
more
open.
E
With
regard
to
going
back
to
the
comment
about
a
council
member's
participation
in
their
being
under
the
influence
of
of
medication
or
narcotics,
I
would
just
respectfully
say
that
that
would
be
an
issue
of
anyone
that
attends
a
council
meeting.
I
mean
any
of
us
could
be
under
the
influence
of
of
medication
at
a
council
meeting,
and
I
just
don't
think
that
we
want
to
go
there.
I
don't
think
we
want
to
start
talking
about
who
who
has
the
capacity
to
participate
in
a
council
meeting
even
when
they're
participating
in
person?
E
That's
that's
a
very
concerning
direction
for
to
me
for
us
to
to
start
going
in,
and
I
would
you
know.
I
would
say
that
that
I'm
I'm
fine
with
putting
some
limitations
on
the
number
of
times
that
council
members
could
participate
remotely,
and
obviously
sandy
had
mentioned
that
you
know
there
is
always
the
opportunity
for
the
council
member
to
come
back
and
request
that
they
be
able
to
participate
with
for
good
cause
shown.
So
I
think
that
provides
some
some
flexibility
if,
depending
on
the
circumstance.
F
Thanks
mike,
so
I
think
we've
spent
a
lot
of
time
on
this
and
it
would
be
great
to
go
ahead
and
start
bringing
it
home
I'm
nine
years
into
serving
in
this
body,
and
we've
only
even
encountered
this
once.
I
do
think
that
we
should
have
something,
because
I
think
if
there
is
a
desire
to
actively
participate,
especially
while
going
through
one
of
the
aforementioned
challenges,
that
we
should
be
able
to
have
an
opportunity
for
that.
You
know
within
reason.
F
I
agree
with
corey's
suggestion
of
the
four
and
two
I
was
actually
gonna
go
with
two
total,
so
four
and
two's
good.
For
me,
I
do
remember
that
there
was
a
state
definition
of
cmt
when
we
were
doing
everything
during
covid.
I
just
remember
mayor
latham,
reading
it
before
every
meeting,
so
I
think
there
there
might
be
verbiage
already
there
from
when
we
were
meeting
when
we
were
having
our
regular
meetings
remotely
that
we
could
just
pull,
and
then
I
don't
want
to
get
into
a
whole
discussion
of
this.
F
But
I
think
military
service,
especially
for
being
called
up
as
a
reservist,
is
there's
probably
already
protections
there.
That
they're,
probably
already
protected
from
I
know
your
job
is
protected
and
things
like
that
so
so
that
mean
may
be
a
non-issue,
I'm
not
saying
take
it
out
or,
let's
start
a
whole
debate
on
it,
but
I
think
that
might
already
be
something
if
we
looked
into
it
that
would
be
protected.
F
We
have
not
talked
about
what
would
we
do
if
the
mayor
was
requesting
this
and
I
had
that
same
thought
corey.
So
thank
you
for
bringing
it
up
that
the
council
members
are
covered,
but
the
mayor
isn't.
I
do
agree
that
the
mayor,
it
would
not
be
appropriate
for
the
mayor
to
try
to
run
the
meeting
via
phone,
so
I
think
we
should
whatever
we
do
in
there.
We
should
say
that
the
mayor
is
automatically
not
chairing
the
meeting.
F
I
wouldn't
have
a
problem
with
the
mayor's
approval
being
the
same
as
kind
of
that
that
section
for
or
not
section,
four,
oh
yeah,
you
know
going
having
the
city
council
approve
it.
I
think
there's
a
higher,
probably
higher
standard
and
expectation
for
the
mayor,
but
I
don't
know
I
don't
see.
Who
else
would
be
the
one
to
approve
it
since
we've
already
explained-
and
I
agree
with
the
reasons
why
it
wouldn't
be
the
city
manager?
So
that's
just
my
two
cents:
let's
bring
this
puppy
home.
E
Yeah,
sorry,
I
I
appreciate
the
mayor's
request
and
I
it
was
a
cocoa
beach.
I
believe
sandy
in
that
spreadsheet,
that
you
provided
us
that
apparently
their
preferred
mess
method
was
listed
as
phone
or
other
suitable
electronic
means.
So
I
mean
to
me.
I
think
that
that
would
give
us
some
flexibility.
If
we
end
up
with
the
ability
to
do
something
better
than
phone,
then
we
would
have
the
ability
to
do
so.
L
Okay,
so
I
I
think
I
have
my
direction.
I
will
make
the
changes
that
have
been
suggested
tonight.
The
only
thing
I
would
ask
is:
is
it
better
for
everyone
for
me
to
simply
take
out
a
definition
for
cmt,
since
that
tends
to
be
sort
of
broadly
defined
by
state
law
or
case
law.
L
And
that
that
just
opens
it
up
a
little
bit
more
for
everyone.
So
thank
you.
I
have
what
I
need
and
I
will
get
this
draft
out
to
you
as
soon
as
possible.
A
Thank
you
sandy.
That
brings
us
to
item
d
order
of
business
and
consent
agenda,
which
is
also
sandy.
L
Yeah,
so
I'm
going
to
try
to
close
out
my
screen
here.
Let's
see
if
I
can
do
that
without
losing,
where
I
am
all
right,
so
there
there
are
no
drafts
available
for
you
to
review
on
this
members
of
council,
but
the
reason
this
is
on
the
agenda
really
sort
of
falls
out
of
the
recent
council
meetings
where
we
had.
L
A
number
of
speakers
show
up
for
courtesy
of
the
floor
and
in
the
first
instance
the
question
that
was
presented
to
me
was
whether
the
council
had
the
ability
to
alter
the
order
of
business
so
as
to
provide
the
earlier
slots
in
the
agenda
to
those
people
who
were
just
at
the
meeting
for
business
purposes
and
could
conduct
their
business
fairly
quickly
and
be
out
of
the
room.
L
J
L
The
challenge
that
was
presented
in
just
viewing
that
particular
code
section
is
that
I
determined
that,
because
the
city
council
had
reduced
this
parliamentary
procedure
basically
to
to
law.
By
codifying
it,
we
lost
the
ability
to
make
sort
of
what
I
would
say
on
the
ground
changes
in
our
meetings,
based
on
the
circumstances
than
existing,
as
as
I
went
through
this
co-provision
at
a
later
time.
L
Again,
all
of
these
provisions
are
covered
by
robert's
rules
of
order,
so
there
is
no
need
for
this
to
be
in
the
city
code,
but
the
disadvantage
of
having
it
in
the
city
code
is
that
you
can't
just
disregard
it
or
set
it
side
set
it
aside
as
quickly.
So
I
would
like
the
council
to
consider
getting
rid
of
basically
the
entirety
of
division.
L
L
L
The
consent
agenda,
as
most
of
you
know,
is
a
very
easy
and
efficient
way
to
deal
with
non-controversial
items,
a
number
of
them
and
one
vote,
and
so
I'm
thinking
that
inc
in
conjunction
with
the
briefings
that
are
very
detailed
and
provide
counsel,
with
a
lot
of
the
background
for
most
of
the
action
items
that
it
sees
on
the
regular
agenda
that
we
can
take
care
of
a
number
of
items
simply
with
the
consent
agenda.
L
Knowing
that
council
has
had
sufficient
time
to
discuss
items
in
a
briefing
ask
for
additional
information
in
briefings
and
have
that
provided
to
them,
so
so
that
they
can
consider
it
well
in
advance
of
a
vote,
and
so
with
those
requests
before
you,
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions
as
to
how
I
am
reading
your
legislative
policy
manual.
A
And
do
you
like
the
idea
of
councillor
golding.
E
Yeah,
I
was
just
going
to
say
I
like
the
idea
of
the
consent
agenda.
I
know
atlantic
beach
does
that
and
and
that
could
certainly
help
to
expedite
our
meetings
so
that
the
time
could
be
spent
on
the
things
that
that
really
warrant
some
discussion.
A
A
Okay,
last
big
item
on
here
height
limit
topic,
revisit
there
is
no
memo
that
goes
along
with
it.
Brief
summary,
back
at
the
end
of
2021
council
had
an
open
house
to
discuss
consideration
of
adding
a
height
bonus
in
the
downtown
we
had
probably
about
30,
plus
people
show
up
in
the
council
chambers.
A
A
Do
you
think
that
we
need
to
have
another
open
house?
Do
you
need
to
dedicate
a
topic,
or
do
you
need
additional
information?
A
D
I
think
we
just
need
to
in
a
briefing
kind
of
fine-tune
the
the
language
a
little
bit
and
you
know
make
a
decision
if
we're
gonna
put
it
on
the
march
ballot
or
not.
I
think
that
we
had
some.
We
had
some
input
and
you
know
I
think
you
know
I
I
think
we,
like,
I
said
finalize
finalize
a
language
that
we'd
all
agree
on
and
and
put
it
on
the
march
ballot
and
let's
see,
if
let
the
residents
decide
if
they
want
to,
if
they
want
to
do
it.
G
I
just
want
to
begin
mayor.
Hoffman
did
a
phenomenal
job
in
the
presentation
on
the
workshop
and
she
got
everyone
to
agree.
Unfortunately,
I
know
there
was
some
residents
that
mistook
or
misread
or
mistook
the
information
that
was
given
at
the
workshop
or
even
on
the
there
were.
Some
individuals
were
thinking
that
the
height
limit
was
going
into
west
of
third
street,
but
maybe
another
open
house-
I
don't
know,
but
I
do.
I
would
like
to
see
it
on
the
march
ballot,
if
possible
as
well.
F
I
think
at
the
conclusion
of
the
last
workshop,
we
did
state
that
we
would
be
you
know
pursuing
more
community
input,
so
I
would
be
supportive
of
another
open
house,
since
we
already
have
kind
of
the
format
that
we
did.
Maybe
just
completely
just
do
a
repeat
and
try
to
reach
a
little
more
of
a
broad
audience,
and
I
don't
know
if
that
powerpoint
ever
got
put
up
online
or
anything
like
that,
but
I
think
just
get
being
a
little
more
proactive
with
getting
the
information
out
there.
F
I
know
like
fernando
said
this:
is
you
know
a
couple?
Big
issues
have
have
gotten
away
with
us
mess
away
from
us
messaging
wise,
and
it's
just
really
hard
to
control
that
in
terms
of
how
fast
things
move
with
social
media,
but
I
think
it
I,
I
think
it'll
be
worth
the
time
to
spend
another
two
hours
going
through
that
powerpoint
listening
to
the
feedback
and
and
potentially
modify
modifying
our
approach.
If
we
feel
like
we
need
to
based
on
that
feedback,
but
I'd
like
I
think
at
least
one
more
workshop
would
be
prudent.
H
I'm
in
favor
of
of
another
workshop
as
well.
I'd
also
like
to
see
it
move
forward
by
the
march
election
as
well
and
then
making
something.
H
I
don't
remember
how
many
pages
the
powerpoint
was
that
was
presented.
I
remember
it
vaguely,
but
something
that
we
could
put
out
to
the
public.
That's
an
educational
piece
with
a
clear
understanding
that
we
can
share
on
our
social
media
and
things
like
that.
D
And
also,
I
think,
the
group
earlier
the
build
up
downtown
people
that
you
know
they've
been
put
together
as
a
non-profit
to
kind
of
you
know,
help
communicate
issues
effectively
with
residents
and
voters
and
stuff,
and
that
was
the
other
reason
that
I
kind
of
wanted
to
or
that
that's
another
group
that,
if
they're
willing
to
do
it
and
help
with
messaging
and
everything,
to
get
the
proper
message
out
to
our
to
our
residents
and
explain
it
in
detail
what
we're
doing
you
know
that
might
be
an
avenue
we
can
take,
because
I
think
we're
going
to
get
the
same,
30
or
30
or
so
people
to
show
up
that
are
vehemently
against
it
and
they're
passionate
about
it.
D
But
that
doesn't
necessarily
mean
mean
that
the
residents
as
a
whole
are
opposed
to
it.
I
think
if
you
would
ask
if
it
would
make
our
downtown,
you
know
a
a
thriving
area
where
we
have,
the
residents
would
want
to
attend,
and
you
know
I
I
think
if
it's
spelled
out
correctly,
then
I
think
it
will.
I
think
it
could
potentially
be
successful
and
I
think
that
you
know
I
think
you
kept
hearing
that
we're
opening
a
can
of
worms.
It's
gonna
be
a
hundred
feet.
Next,
stop
you
know.
D
They're
just
gonna
go
to
100
feet,
which
is
not
you
know
it's
not
the
case,
so
I
think
dispelling
some
of
the
misinformation
would
be
critical.
I
Thank
you.
I
heard
some
good
concerns.
Yeah
there
was
some
that
were
just
oh,
no,
we're
going
to
be
daytona
beach,
we're
not
going
to
be
daytona
beach,
but
I
did
hear
some
viable
concerns
and
part
of
that
dealt
with
you
know.
If
all
we're
voting
on
is
you
know
allowing
these
criteria,
but
we
don't
vote
on
the
criteria.
The
criteria
can
be
changed
and
so
like
they
were.
There
were
a
lot
of.
I
A
lot
of
specific
issues
that
I
think
are
viable
concerns
of
the
citizens
and
they
need
to
be
listened
to
another
part,
is
I'm
not
sure
that
we
as
a
council
should
be
saying
this
is
what
you
want.
We
want
you
to
vote
on.
I
We
want
them
to
vote
on
this,
and
here
are
the
pros
and
cons,
not
that
this
is
the
only
way
that
we're
ever
going
to
be
able
to
do
anything
in
downtown.
So
you
have
to
vote
this
way.
I
think
that
they
should
be
given
the
pros
and
the
cons,
and
some
of
those
cons
could
be
it's
going
to
be
harder
to
attract
developers,
and
if
you
lay
that
out,
that's
perfectly
fine
but
to
just
give
them
one
side
of
a
scenario.
I
don't
think
that
that
is
fair
to
fair
to
the
voters.
I
They
need
to
be
given
equal
and
the
presentation
as
well.
The
presentation
has
to
be
equal,
it
needs
to
be
balanced
and
not
pushing
an
agenda.
I
I
think
one
of
the
problems
is
a
lot
of
citizens
have
distrust
of
government
because
they
think
that
political
officials
are
always
pushing
an
agenda
and
we
should
not
be
viewed
as
pushing
an
agenda
which
we
should
be
viewed
as
this
is
a
decision
that
is
in
your
court,
and
it
is
up
to
you
all
to
decide
what
is
going
to
be
best
here
are
the
pros
here:
are
the
cons
vote
on
it?
Not
here
are
the
here's
all
the
goods
of
one
side
and
all
the
bads
of
another
side
and
now
vote
on
it.
I
We
need
to
be
balanced,
because
I
I
just-
and
you
don't
this-
does
you
know
I'll
necessarily
have
to
agree
with
me,
but
I
just
feel
that
that
is
our
job
is
to
inform
our
citizens
of
pros
and
cons
of
both
options
so
that
they
can
make
the
best
decision
that
they
feel
is
best
for
them
in
their
community.
D
And
I
don't
want
to
be
misconstrued
if
I
was
saying
that
we
just
want
to
give
one
side,
I
think
we
need
to
get
messaging
out
there.
That
is
not.
That
is
accurate
information
on
both
sides.
That
can
be
back.
That
can
be
backed
up
that
okay,
there
might
be
additional
traffic
or
whatever,
but
I
mean
I
don't
want.
I
I
want
the
residents
to
have
full
transparency
in
what
the
potential
outcomes
of
this
situation
are.
I
wasn't
saying
we're.
D
D
The
residents
are
gonna
vote
on
it,
and
I
think
that
was
the
key
point
of
when
the
initial
ballot
referendum
was
passed,
that
it
only
went
the
only
way
to
change
it
is
through
another
ballot
referendum,
so
the
residents
will
have
a
say-
and
I
think
messaging
is
critical,
but
I
want
to
make
sure
the
messaging
is
accurate,
where
there
was
obviously
already
substantial
disinformation
out
there.
A
Sounds
like
there's
a
consensus
to
do
another
open
house
to
do
a
little
bit
better
job
of
marketing
to
try
and
reach
the
largest
crowd
that
we
can
to
show
up
for
this
and
I'll
work
with
the
mayor.
A
Since
I'm
presuming
the
mayor
will
do
the
presentation
on
the
second
round
as
well
I'll
meet
with
the
I
mean
with
the
mayor
on
a
weekly
basis,
but
we'll
talk
about
whether
or
not
any
of
the
format
of
that
meeting
needs
to
change
in
order
to
be
a
little
bit
more
explicit
and
clear
as
to
the
five
w's
who?
What
where,
when?
Why
and
the
how
so
that
we
can
be
a
little
bit
more
clear
in
the
messaging.
A
So
we'll
take
that
as
the
next
step
going
forward
and
we'll
see
if
we
can't
get
that
scheduled
post
haste.
A
So
that
does
it
for
everything
that
was
scheduled
on
the
agenda.
I
did
have
one
update
that
I
wanted
to
just
walk
through
with
you
real
quick
over
the
last
week
and
a
half,
I
had
the
opportunity
to
meet
with
all
the
council
to
talk
about
the
direction
that
we
were
going
with
the
volunteer
life
saving
corps.
A
I
think
it
was
a
week
ago,
friday
and
I
had
my
last
meeting
with
a
council
member
to
review
some
issues
and
get
some
input.
We
are
actively
working
on
developing
a
new
agreement
for
vlsc
to
provide
services
on
sundays
and
city
recognized
holidays.
A
To
put
this
agreement
together
and
taking
a
look
at
some
of
the
issues
that
have
been
brought
to
our
attention,
the
city
attorney
did
do
quite
a
bit
of
research
with
regards
to
case
precedents
across
the
state
and
trying
to
assist
us
with
regards
to
our
assessment
of
risk
and
where
we
stood
with
it.
A
If
sandy,
if
you're
still
on
the
line,
if
you
can
maybe
in
a
couple
of
minutes
summarize
for
council
some
of
your
thoughts
with
regards
to
risk
management
when
it
comes
to
an
agreement
between
the
city
and
the
vlc
moving
forward.
Just
so
that
we're
all
on
the
same
page
with
where
we
are.
L
Yes,
sir,
so
in
the
past,
we've
discussed
the
risk
assessment
in
the
context
of
the
fair
labor
standard
act
and
wage
issues
and
pretty
much
framed
as
the
dol
made
findings
in
its
investigation,
but
in
looking
at
some
of
the
terms
that
have
been
proposed
for
a
new
agreement
with
the
vlsc
going
forward.
L
One
of
the
concerns
that
have
been
raised
by
virtue
of
the
review
of
case
law
is
whether
our
act
of
entering
into
this
agreement
with
vlsc
can
be
construed
under
the
law.
As
the
city
trying
or
attempting
to
delegate
its
responsibility
to
beachgoers
to
the
third
party,
we
don't
enjoy
any
high
level
of
immunity
or
protection
with
respect
to
the
services
that
we
provide
to
the
beach.
L
The
law
is
that
we
are
subjected
to
the
same
standard
of
care
as
a
private
land
owner
would
have
to
people
utilizing
their
private
beach,
and
so
with
that
in
mind,
and
it
has
that
being
the
same
standard,
the
florida
supreme
court
at
least
has
said
you
can't
delegate
that
responsibility
and
avoid
liability.
L
L
What's
the
obvious
benefit
to
the
city
for
having
those
services
performed
by
an
organization
and
over
which
its
members,
you
don't
control,
you
have
no
authority
to
control
their
movements,
their
decisions
or
anything
of
that
nature.
So
that's
just
one
of
those
one
of
the
legal
issues
raised
by
it
that
I
think
we
are.
L
Not
only
continuing
our
exposure
with
liability,
but
in
some
sense
we
lose
a
little
bit
of
control
in
controlling
our
exposure
on
those
two
days
that
we
are
considering
or
those
days
that
we're
considering
designating
to
the
vlsc.
Through
this
agreement
and
again
in
terms
of
the
the
leap
a
claimant
would
have
to
make
in
view
of
some
of
the
records
that
are
now
public.
L
The
statements
that
have
been
made
publicly
regarding
a
federal
agency,
finding
a
joint
employer
status
between
the
city
and
the
vlsc,
I
think
those
kinds
of
claims
might
be
easier
going
forward
than
more
difficult
going
forward.
So
I
won't
go
into
a
lot
of
detail
right
now.
But
those
are
some
of
the
two
issues
or
at
least
two
of
the
issues
that
have
been
at
the
forefront
as
we've
tried
to
work
through
not
only
the
content
of
the
proposals
but
trying
to
frame
them
so
that
it
protects
the
city
in
the
best
way
possible.
A
Thank
you
sandy
just
wanted
to
make
sure
the
council
had
the
opportunity
to
hear
the
the
same
thing
that
karen
and
I
had
heard
from
a
risk
mitigation
perspective.
Any
any
questions
for
us
on
that
before
I
close
out
that
topic
mayor
hoffman.
F
I
just
wanted
to
say-
and
I
said
this
a
couple
of
times
mike
and
and
with
some
others-
that
you
know
if
this
was
a
relationship
that
was
new
and
that
we
were
handing
off
services
that
we
had
been
providing
all
of
this
time.
Then
I
would
feel
I
would
feel
very
differently,
but
we
have
an
established
relationship
with
this
organization.
F
We
have
a
track
record,
we
have
a
history
and
we
haven't.
We
have
an
expectation
just
based
on
on
past
performance.
So
so
I
do
feel
differently.
I
I
understand
that
it's
it's
your
all's
job,
to
kind
of
go
to
worst
case
scenario
and
find
any
you
know
any
risk
to
the
city
at
all,
but
I
do
think
that
this
is.
You
know
it's
kind
of
flip
flop
we're
trying
to
retrofit
something
now
that
that
is
already
established,
but
we
do
we
have
a
history
with
them.
We
know
the
performance,
we
know
their
expectations.
F
We've
got
an
extensive.
You
know,
draft
document
that
lays
out
the
expectations
and-
and
if
there's
any,
you
know
deviance
from
that
or
diversion
from
that,
then
then
we
have
protocols
in
place.
You
know
with
this
agreement
once
it
gets
signed,
so
I
do
feel
differently
again
than
I
than
I
would
if
this
was
an
organization
out
of
the
blue
that
came
up
to
us
and
asked
to
take
over.
You
know
a
city
service,
so
I
just
wanted
to
to
say
that
out
to
all
the
rest
of
the
council.
D
And
I
wholeheartedly
agree
with
with
mayor
hoffman:
if
there
wasn't
the
history
that
we
have
with
them,
it
wouldn't
make
any
sense
to
start
this
now,
but
they
have
performed
a
and
a
duty
for
the
city
and
it
has
developed
some
amazing
men
and
women,
and
I
I
I
like
I
said
I
agree
with
what
the
mayor
said,
and
I
think
we
should
try
to
continue
to
proceed
down
this
road
and
give
them
an
opportunity.
A
Okay,
thank
you
sandy.
I
have
nothing
else
on
the
agenda
for
tonight.
Does
anyone
have
any
report
outs
from
representation
that
they
are
doing
sounds
like
a
no
any
thoughts
on
future
briefing
topics
councilor
nichols.
D
Yes,
I
believe
it
was
two
years
and
three
months
ago,
as
a
council,
we
we
made
a
determination
that
we
were
going
to
allow
the
cra
to
have
one
to
two
years
to
show
us
what
they
could
do.
D
D
My
main
concern
is
that
that
they're,
not
following
our
council's
direction,
they
get
drawn
into
tangents
non-stop.
They
are
highly
bogged
down
and
focused
on
microscopic
details.
D
You
know,
and
what
I'm
asking
for
is
for
staff
to
what
I
would
like
to
ask
is
for
staff
to
do
an
analysis
over
the
last
two
and
a
half
two
two
and
a
half
years
to
really
tell
us,
you
know
what
what
the
progress
has
been
and
let
them
you
know,
explain
their
viability
and
their
and
their
plan
to
really
move
forward
quickly.
We've
all
seen
emails
from
from
mr
marsh
recently,
and
you
know
I
just.
D
I
wholeheartedly
believe
that
if
something
doesn't
change
at
that
at
that
level,
I
mean
I've
been.
I
had
four
years
on
the
cra,
so
I've
been
watching
it
for
seven
years
and
we've
had
very
little
progress,
and
I
would
really
like
to
I
think
the
council,
now
that
we've
had
some
other
stuff,
that
we've
finalized,
that
we
have
the
ability
to
take
that
on.
So
the
residents
can
hold
us
accountable
and
we
can
hold
city
staff
accountable
for
moving
moving
the
cra
forward.
H
Yeah
so
in
the
last
city
council
meeting
with
the
purchase
of
the
recruiting
vehicle,
the
thought
came
to
mind
as
I,
as
as
we
left
the
meeting.
H
I
think
it's
probably
time
that
we
have-
and
this
is
also
based
on
a
comment
that
the
chief
made
that
right
now
the
shared
responsibility
of
a
recruiter
is
with
a
detective.
I
think
at
this
point
in
this
the
size
of
our
city,
the
size
of
our
department.
We
probably
could
afford
to
have
a
single
officer.
H
That's
a
community
affairs
officer,
that's
primarily
responsible
for
recruiting,
amongst
other
things,
scepted,
whether
they're
doing
that
speaking
to
the
children
at
the
schools
in
our
four
schools
that
we
have
and
other
dare
items,
dart
items
things
like
that,
but
to
hire
somebody
as
a
full-time
community
affairs
officer
and
and
then
also
put
them
in
that
vehicle
wrap
that
vehicle
and
let's
do
a
promotion
of
our
of
our
agency.
Just
for
future
topics.
D
Yes,
sorry,
one
other
issue
just
wanted
to
congratulate
our
our
police
department
and
thank
the
city
of
jacksonville
for
loaning
their
officers
during
during
orange
crush.
I
saw
more
officers
than
I
did
that
I
saw
participants
I,
but
I
do
really
appreciate
the
keeping
a
focus
and
an
eye
on
this
situation
that
can't
turn
troubling.
D
But
you
know
we
did.
We
got
through
another
one,
and
you
know
I.
I
appreciate
all
the
effort
that
our
our
our
officers
put
in
and
with
coordinating
with
with
the
city
of
jacksonville
police
office,
the
police
department,
as
well
and
mayor
good
job.