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A
So
does
your
sir
thank
you
very
much
and
welcome
everyone.
The
eleventh
counsel
briefing
we
sent
out
an
agenda
and
some
information
to
you
in
advance
of
tonight's
meeting.
We
also
have
a
surprised,
fifth,
fifth
item
that
we
will
be
talking
about
as
well.
The
first
item
that
we
wanted
to
talk
about
with
the
council
is
the
consideration
of
an
additional
$25,000,
low-income
homestead
exemption.
A
Several
months
ago,
the
city
was
approached
by
Jerry
Holland,
who
basically
indicated
to
us
that
he
was
in
the
process
of
seeing
if
he
could
get
uniformity
across
all
of
Duval
County
or
the
accept
the
exceptions
of
this
particular
homestead
exemption.
The
City
of
Jacksonville
has
just
recently
adopted
this
exemption.
I
believe
in
March
for
this
particular
year,
he's
basically
looking
for
the
three
beach
communities
and
sound
of
Baldwin
to
at
least
consider
the
exemption
to
see
if
it's
something
that
we
would
want
to
adopt.
A
The
information
that
you
were
provided
in
advance
was
an
email
that
was
received
by
Jerry
Holland,
as
well
as
the
anticipated
fiscal
impact
to
each
of
the
four
municipalities
outside
of
the
City
of
Jacksonville
and
the
actual
number
of
homesteaded
properties
that
would
be
affected
so
for
the
City
of
Jacksonville
Beach.
For
this
particular
exemption,
it
would
be
approximately
104
properties
impacted
with
a
total
fiscal
impact
of
just
over
$10,000
per
year.
A
A
Okay,
hearing
no
comments
from
any
members
of
council
is
this
something
that
you'd
like
staff
to
prepare
for
a
formal
adoption
and
bring
back
to
Council
at
a
regular
meeting
or
formal
consideration,
I'm
seeing
nods
and
thumbs
up
okay,
then
that
is
the
direction
that
we
will
proceed
with.
Thank
you
very
much,
and
that
was
an
easy
number
one.
Let's
move
on
to
a
little
bit
more
complicated
issue,
and
that
is
issue
number
to
Jacksonville
Drive
sidewalk
extension.
A
You
should
have
all
received
a
more
detailed
slideshow
presentation
from
our
public
works
department
in
their
consultant,
Brian
McKee
with
Hanson,
who
is
also
on
the
meeting
with
us
this
evening,
I'm
going
to
turn
the
reins
over
to
Kayla
more
from
our
public
works
tomorrow.
Who
is
going
to
walk
you
through
the
options
that
exist
for
putting
in
an
urban
trail
on
Jacksonville
Drive?
A
Just
as
a
recap
for
the
council
and
those
who
may
be
listening,
the
city
wanted
to
consider
installing
an
eight
foot
wide
sidewalk
on
Jacksonville
Drive
in
order
to
facilitate
pedestrian
traffic
from
the
west
end
of
the
city
along
this
corridor,
to
get
them
to
the
intersection
of
South,
Beach,
Parkway
and
Jacksonville
Drive
council.
A
couple
of
months
ago
asked
us
to
take
a
look
at
the
possibility
of
moving
that
urban
trail
to
the
north
side
of
Jacksonville
Drive
for
a
little
bit
ease
of
pedestrian
impact.
A
Once
you
get
to
South
Beach
Parkway
Kayle
and
our
consultant
will
talk
to
you
a
little
bit
about
what
they
found
out
with
regards
to
utility
conflicts,
driveway
conflicts
and
what
the
ultimate
financial
impact
would
be
of
doing
this
particular
relocation.
I
would
also
like
to
point
out
before
I
turn.
A
This
over
to
them
is
that
this
alternative
has
not
yet
been
shared
with
the
CRA
planning
director,
Bill
Mann
does
plan
on
holding
a
virtual
briefing
with
them
towards
the
end
of
this
month,
at
which
point
he
would
also
share
these
plans
with
them
and
get
their
input
as
well.
So
with
that
being
said,
Kayla
I
will
turn
it
over
to
you
and
don't
forget
the
spacebar.
B
All
right,
thank
you.
Mike
I'm,
sorry
we're
trying
to
coordinate
this
kind
of
at
the
last
minute
and
we
were
actually
going
to
have
Brian
there
consultant
and
I
run
you
through
the
slides
because
he
was
instrumental
in
helping
us
put
those
together.
So
if
that's
all
right
Jacob,
are
you
handling
that
control?
So
if
you
can
switch
that
over
to
Brian
and
then
we'll
all
answer,
questions
and
the
public
works
director
and
the
engineer
and
myself
and
Mike.
C
C
Okay,
so
basically
I
think
Mike
had
already
summed
it
up
what
we
were
trying
to
do
here,
we're
trying
to
present
pretty
much
the
two
options.
Like
Mike
said
we
had
had
it,
we've
been
approached
by
the
city
to
go
ahead
and
put
it
on
the
south
side,
and
that
was
going
to
enable
us
to
also
have
a
small
sidewalk
on
the
north
side
in
that
he
you
know.
C
He
came
back
to
me
and
said
there
was
preference
for
it
being
on
the
north
side
to
have
the
one
crossing
when
you
went
across
sanctuary,
Parkway
or
South
Beach,
Parkway,
I'm,
sorry.
So
with
that
we
went
ahead
and
looked
at
it
and
what
impacts
there
might
be
and
set
up
this
little
presentation.
And
here's
a
little
bit
of
outline.
C
We
summarized
the
current
design
issues
with
putting
a
clip
path
on
the
north
side
of
Jacksonville
Drive
and
why
that
might
cause
realignment
of
Jacksonville
Drive
to
accommodate
that
path
and
we'll
walk
through
those
impacts
that
dictate
why
that
would
need
to
be
done
and
then
also
the
additional
cost
to
go
back
in
and
realign
Jack's
Drive
to
be
able
to
accommodate
that
shared
use
path
on
that
north
side
and
tie-in.
Existing
features
such
as
the
existing
driveways
next
slide.
C
So
here
there
you
go
so
on
this
slide
here
you
can
see
how,
of
course,
this
project,
you
know,
started
out
as
the
drainage
project
and
with
that
we
were
going
to
be
coming
in
and
we
were
going
to
be
adding
curb
and
gutter
along
the
roadways
to
catch
the
drainage
put
in
a
pipe
system
underground.
It
would
have
catch
basins,
you
catch
the
drainage
flow
and
take
them
to
the
pond.
It's
a
on
the
south
side
of
Butler
right
now.
C
It's
the
sediment
south
sedimentation
basins,
and
with
that
we
was
going
to
go
back
in
and
tie
everything
in
with
the
profile
grade
or
the
you
know
the
vertical
grade
that
we
have
to
do
for
that
road
and
tie
in
the
driveways
and
put
in
new
sidewalk.
That
would
be
impacted
by
that
truck.
So
with
that,
we
were
going
to
have
up
to
an
8
foot,
sidewalk
or
8
foot
path.
C
Okay,
so
here
we
go
looking
at
issues
that
would
be
associated
with
having
you
know
in
the
north
side
and
when
you
look
at
I
guess
a
couple
of
these
photos
here
on
the
side
show
some
instances
of
what
we
would
be
looking
at.
If
we
put
that
on
the
north
side,
room
okay,
so
first
does
that
keep
slipping.
Switching
on
everybody
else,.
C
There
we
go
so
first
issue
with
that
would
be
that
we
wouldn't
have
to
have
that
Sidewalk
one
north
side
to
a
footpath,
that
additional
width
would
have
to
be
right
up
against
the
back
of
curb,
as
you
see
in
that
top
photo,
it's
a
little
representation
of
what
it
would
look
like
in
tour.
As
you
get
east
toward
South
Beach
Parkway,
we
would
have
some
type
of
wall
like
in
the
both
of
those
pictures,
so
it
would
really
make
it
users
of
that
path.
You,
like
they're,
really
crammed
up
against
the
roadway.
C
No
real
appealing,
you
know
path
for
them
to
be
separated
from
the
traffic,
but
have
them
right
up
against
it,
and
the
problems
we
run
into
is
that
when
we
get
to
some
of
these
driveways
with
keeping
the
profile.
So
we
have
drainage
flow
that
comes
from
properties
into
our
roadways,
to
be
able
to
catch
that
drainage.
You're
not
get
not
get.
D
C
C
D
C
As
you
get
east,
as
you
get
east
of
tropical
terrace,
and
you
tie
back
in
to
South
Beach
Parkway
the
way
that
the
properties
come
down
and
slope,
you
would
have
a
small
wall
at
the
back
of
sidewalk
at
the
time
without
eating
right
away
because
of
the
profile
of
the
roadway
in
the
elevation
of
the
existing
edge
or
the
existing
property.
You
would
have
a
little
wall
similar
to
that
now.
Would
it
be
exactly
that
the
wall
might
not
be
that
high,
but
there
is
a
thousand
feet
that
we've
already
looked
at.
C
You
would
need
some
type
of
wall
without
going
on
to
people's
properties,
the
tie-in
and
grade
the
kale
was
basically
wanting
to
put
a
picture
there
to
show
you
what
it
would
possibly
look
like
so
for
the
takeaways
from
that
picture
is
seeing
that
the
sidewalk
is
right
against
the
back
of
curb.
Plus
there
is
a
vertical
feature
that
would
be
at
the
back
of
that
sidewalk
of
purpose
of
somebody
riding
a
bicycle
would
have
concerns
of
their
pedals,
hitting
that
wall.
Things
like
that.
They
would
have
to
shy
away
from
that
wall.
C
So
really
you're
not
going
to
see
the
benefits
using
a
whole
eight-foot
wide
path.
So
that's
really
what
to
take
away
from
those
pictures
now
it
may
not
be
as
severe
as
what
looks
like
in
that
picture,
but
you
would
have
some
type
of
curve
and
the
plans
we've
already
done
that
have
a
six-foot
sidewalk.
There
already
have
locations
that
have
a
small
curb.
C
So,
basically
that's
why
it
came
to
where
to
get
away
from
this
and
to
be
able
to
give
some
type
of
separation
in
tie-in
driveways.
There
would
be
a
realignment
of
Jack's
Drive
required,
which
would
basically
mean
we
would
probably
shift
that
road
about
ten
feet
to
the
south,
and
that
would
allow
us
to
maintain
driveway
tie-ins.
So
people
don't
drag
vehicles
when
they
pull
up
into
their
driveways.
Also,
it
would
help
us
to
maintain
a
constant
eight-foot
with
path
right
now.
C
And
this
here
just
goes
to
show
some
of
the
analysis
that
we
put
into
it
to
look
at
these
driveways
there
on
the
Left
you'll
see
the
simulation
of
the
sidewalk,
because
I
was
talking
about
that's
a
six
foot
width
right
now
you
can
see
when
we
tried
to
maintain
a
six
foot
sidewalk
across
this
particular
driveway.
Did
we
had
a
conflict
point
where
the
vehicle
would
drive
and
if
you
look
close
enough
in
that,
you
can
see
where
the
blue
lines
on
the
slide
gets
steeper
than
the
red
that
are
existing
today.
C
So
if
you
look
to
the
right
there
on
that
slide,
you'll
see
where
we
had
to
shrink
it
down
to
three
feet
and
you'll
see
that
the
blue
line
is
a
little
flatter
than
what's
existing
today
and
then
you
have
no
conflicts
with
a
vehicle
dragging
next
slide
and
of
course,
you
know
you'll
see
at
the
bottom
of
all
these
slides.
This
is
just
evaluating
a
pretty
much
a
pedestrian
I
mean
a
passenger
vehicle.
C
C
Actually,
you
know
it
back
up
real
quick.
Just
so
I
can
point
one
thing
out,
because
I
know
a
lot
of
people
probably
will
drive
the
road
and
see
and
think
there's
not
as
steep
but
a
big
issue.
There
is,
if
you
look
at
that
and
see
where
existing
right
away
is
and
see
how
close
to
the
house
line
we
have
in.
There
is
that's
their
actual
garage,
so
there's
not
a
lot
of
room
to
work
with
slopes
to
tie
in.
C
So
that's
a
lot
of
what
is
hindering
being
able
to
get
these
local
flattened
out,
and
what
would
you
know
kind
of
caused
the
realignment
of
the
road
to
get
some
separation
and
flatten
the
slopes
out?
Okay,
next
slide
all
right,
so
this
slide
basically
shows
the
alignment
of
Jacksonville
Drive.
Today
in
the
existing
right-of-way
lines.
Next
slide,
you
should
see
it
phase
in
to
where
it'll
show
the
realignment.
This
is
what
it
would
look
like
with
the
realignment
to
get
the
egg
footpath
on
the
north
side
of
the
road.
C
Again,
this
allows
for
the
driveways
to
tie
equal
or
better
slopes
that
are
on
those
driveways
today.
It
allows
for
a
two
foot
side
between
the
path
and
the
back
of
curb,
and
then
this
would
get
away
from
meeting
any
of
those
walls
that
we
showed
in
those
photos.
We
could
basically
tie
in
now
without
a
curb
at
the
back
of
sidewall.
Pedestrians
on
their
bicycles
would
not
feel
like
they're
in
a
tight
space,
any
conflicts
with
their
pedals
on
their
bicycle
or
anything
like
that.
Next
slide.
C
Okay,
but
with
that
realignment
there
are
some
impacts.
We
have
multiple
underground
utilities
that
you
can
see.
There
fiber-optic
lines
things
like
that,
and
as
we
slide
that
road
to
the
south,
it
puts
it
over
top
of
those
facilities
that
are
there
today.
So,
basically,
we
would
be
impacting
those
and
they
would
have.
Basically,
we
would
have
to
approach
them
about
relocations.
Most
utility
companies
do
not
want
to
keep
their
facilities
under
the
road
because
of
future
maintenance.
C
Also,
if
you
see,
there's
minimal
distance
left
between
the
back
of
the
curve
and
right
away
for
utilities
to
relocate,
so
there's
not
really
a
lot
of
room
for
them
to
relocate
and
leaves
them
a
very
small
window
to
get
into
I
know.
We've
talked
with
Keo
and
Beach's
Energy's
planning
to
go
underground,
so
that
just
complicates
things
we're
trying
to
get
them
underground
and
with
these
other
facilities
trying
to
get
in
that
small
area
through
there
doesn't
really
leave
us
any
ability
to
meander
the
path
at
all.
B
Let
me
just
DISA
scale,
so
let
me
clarify
that
$150,000
estimate,
part
of
the
reason
that's
not
higher,
is
because
the
original
plan
we
were
looking
at
to
put
it
on
the
south
side,
already
factored
in
the
cost
of
the
eight
footpath
on
the
south
side
and
reconstructing
the
up
to
six
foot.
You
know
sidewalk
on
the
north
side,
so
there
was
some
additional
construction
costs
already
factored
in.
B
A
B
Only
only
if
you
realign
the
roadway
and
push
it
to
the
South,
but
the
realignment
if
we
were
to
realign
that
road
and
shifted
about
ten
feet
or
so
to
the
South,
which
would
impact
the
utilities
that
would
my
understanding
from
the
engineer
is
and
Brian
can
confirm
this.
That
would
remove
any
need
for
any
of
those
retaining
walls
on
the
north
side.
For
that
a
footpath,
that's.
C
Correct
if
we
kept
it
on
the
north
side
and
did
not
do
a
realignment,
we
would
have
kind
of
the
same
situation.
We
have
right
now
with
the
six-foot
sidewalk
we've
designed
over
there
when
you
got
to
several
of
the
driveways,
and
it
may
be
all
four
of
them,
I
think
there's
more
along
there.
There
may
have
been
one
out
of
the
four
that
worked
fine,
but
we
would
come
an
8-foot
path.
C
The
crossing
area
that
met
a
DA
would
only
be
three
feet
wide,
so
we
would
have
to
transition
that
somehow,
so
you
would
lose
some
more
distance
because
you
have
to
do
that
transition
plus.
Then,
when
you
got
up
on
that,
East
End,
like
I,
was
saying
we
already
have
a
wall
there
for
the
six-foot
sidewalk,
so
you
would
definitely
have
a
wall
for
the
8-foot.
Sidewalk
is
just
right.
Now
we
have
six
foot
and
we
have
some
separation
between
the
back
curb
and
that
sidewalk,
so
that
would
basically
be
filled
in
with
concrete.
C
So
you
could
do
it,
but
you
would
not
have
an
8
foot
consistent
path.
Every
time
you
came
to
a
driveway,
it
would
narrow
up
to
probably
3
feet
and
then
it
wouldn't
clear
back
out.
Some
of
those
driveways
are
so
close
that
you
may
have
three
feet
just
between
the
driveways.
We
didn't
look
at
that
in
detail,
but
it
for
the
transitions
but
definitely
have
to
shrink
it
down,
and
we
wanted.
Our
goal
was
to
keep
an
eight-foot
talking.
We're
talking
with
kale.
C
That's
what
I
was
saying
we
would
eliminate
the
wall,
because
that
that's
where
I
was
saying
we
looked
at
it
already
would
cause
as
a
10-foot
shift
to
get
away
from
all
of
that.
If
we
had
a
wall,
it
wouldn't
be
much
at
all
and
it
would
be
at
the
east
end
and
basically
just
to
kind
of
give
you
an
idea
of
that.
You
can't
go
out
there
today
and
look
at
that
elevation
that
road
we're
putting
in
a
curb
system.
C
We
kind
of
have
to
drop
the
road
some,
so
the
curb
is
existing
elevation
so
that
the
flow
still
comes
in
to
the
road,
so
that
curve
itself
is
six
inches
high,
where
I
already
have
to
drop
the
road
about
six
inches
to
get
the
water
into
that
curving
gutter.
So
we
can
get
it
off
of
the
properties
and
that's
what
Stephens
up
those
driveways.
A
F
A
D
D
C
C
B
It
sanctuary
we
would
go
to
America
and
then
on
to
sanctuary
yeah.
The
reason
this
is
only
going
to
grande
is
because
of
the
significant
and
very
significant
road
work
and
rework
that's
being
done
for
the
drainage
project
and
we're
looking
at
a
a
subsequent
phase
as
part
of
the
CRA
Ocean
Terrace
improvements.
That's
right
on
the
heels
of
this.
B
That
would
then
address
some
drainage
and
some
improvements
to
the
the
other
section
of
Jacksonville,
Drive,
east
west
of
this
and
part
of
America,
and
at
that
time,
like
I,
said
no
we're
not
talking
about
five
years
later,
hopefully,
ten
years
later,
but
right
on
the
heels
of
this
project
would
be
that
subsequent
land.
That
would
then
fill
in
that
remainder,
part
of
the
pathway
to
sanctuary
and.
D
What
do
we
what's
the
timeline
we're
looking
at
for
South
Beach,
Parkway
2/3,
because
that's
where
it
really
starts
getting
it,
because
you,
if
you
put
it
on
the
south
side
of
that
you
have
the
interest
and
the
exit
exits
to
the
plazas
in
the
medical
facilities
and
there's
no
South
crosswalk,
there's
no
crosswalk
on
a1a
on
the
southern
part
of
that
intersection.
I.
A
Don't
believe
we
have
a
capital
project
scheduled
yet
for
Jacksonville
Drive
from
South
Beach
Parkway
to
a
1a
up.
Clearly,
as
we
start
talking
about
an
urban
trail
system,
that
one
of
the
primary
corridors
that
we
would
want
to
look
at
on
the
south
end
of
the
city
to
move
people
from
west
to
east
and
east-west
there's,
obviously
a
substantial
amount
of
right-of-way
on
the
north
side
of
the
road
that
we
have
the
ability
to
work
with,
and
there
are
also
limited
crossings
on
the
north
side
as
well.
A
D
That
is
the
busiest
section
if
you
look
at
that.
One
Osceola
and
sixteenth,
so
okay,
Osceola
and
sixteenth,
are
relatively
busy.
Jacksonville
Drive
is
very
busy,
especially
on
that
north
side
of
the
sidewalk
I'm,
at
least
at
Osceola,
the
sidewalks
on
both
sides
of
the
road,
so
it
kind
of
disperses
it
and
then
on
16th.
They
just
drive
in
the
room
pink
bike
down
the
middle
of
the
road,
so
it
ends
up
being
just
that
four-foot
sidewalk
on
Jacksonville
Drive
between
South
Beach,
Parkway
and
third.
D
That
really
is
problematic
not
as
much
on
the
west
side,
but
it
really
is
on
the
east
side
like
that.
There's
no
timeline,
no
thinking
of
when
we're
looking
at
bacteria
I.
Take
it
we're
doing
our
capital
improvement
projects
five
years
in
advance,
so
within
the
next
five
years.
We're
not
looking
at
doing
that
at
all.
A
B
D
Once
you
get
east
of
third
between
Ponte
Beach
between
third
and
Ponte
Vedra
Boulevard,
we
can
do
some
stuff
there,
but
once
you
get
to
the
east
side
of
Ponte,
Vedra
Boulevard
we're
pretty
hemmed
in
with
the
properties
that
are
there,
but
it's
just
getting
people
over
to
that
side.
That's
very
problematic,
I
think
it
was
two
weeks
ago.
Maybe
three
weeks
ago
there
was
a
pretty
good
accident
at
that
intersection
of
Ponte,
Vedra
bot,
Drive
and
Jacksonville
Drive,
and
that's
there's.
There
are
many
many
near
misses
in
that
section.
D
B
Thank
you,
yeah
I
just
wanted
to
confirm,
because
there
has
been
some
some
informal
discussion
internally,
especially
with
Bill
man.
A
significant
portion
of
that
Northside
of
Jacksonville
drive
along
paradise.
Key
is
within
the
CRA,
and
there's
been
discussion
of
expanding
that
sidewalk
to
an
8
foot
baths.
So
we've
talked
about
that
at
the
prior
meeting.
B
Where
that
that's
why
it
seemed
to
make
sense
to
put
the
8
foot
path
on
the
north
side
of
the
project
we're
working
on,
but
you
know
if
we
ended
up
having
to
put
it
or
choosing
to
put
it,
you
chose
to
put
it
on
the
south
side.
We
would
at
least
have
a
second
path
on
the
north
side.
Some
folks
may
won't
have
to
cross
Jack's
Drive.
A
B
F
I
just
want
to
check
in
and
make
sure
I'm
understanding
correctly,
so
we
can
do
a
six-foot
sidewalk
on
the
north
side
and
an
eight-foot
path
on
the
south
side
and
not
realign
the
road.
Is
that
what
you
said?
Okay,
I
guess
if
we
have
a
six-foot
sidewalk
on
the
north
side,
why
do
we
need
an
eighth
footpath
on
the
south
side,
especially
since
it
doesn't
really
connect
anything,
at
least
not
at
this
point,
and
my
other
concern
is
on
that
side.
F
There's
a
lot
of
overgrown
area
from
just
behind
that
neighborhood
there,
but
part
of
it.
There
seems
to
be
a
lot
of
drainage,
swales
and
I
know
we're
concerned
about
covering
up
utilities.
But
what
do
we
do
about
drainage
when
we're
putting
an
8
foot
pass
in
there
and
then
even
in
the
diagram?
If
we
don't
want
to
move
the
road
and
cover
up
utilities,
want
this
8
foot
path
be
doing
that
too.
I
am
sorry.
I
asked
I
got
a
lot
in
that
one.
That's.
B
Okay,
I'll
briefly
begin
to
respond
from
one
thing:
with
an
8
foot
path
on
the
south
side.
I,
don't
think
it's
fair
to
say:
there's
no
connectivity,
there's
just
a
perceived
inconvenience
if
you're
going
north
or
continuing
to
to
go
east
of
crossing
another
road
at
a
traffic
control
dinner.
You
know
safely
control
the
intersections
so
and
some
folks
do
go
south
on
that.
I
was.
F
B
Sorry
I
understand:
that's
why
I
said
we.
We
would
not
want
to
delay
that
further
project.
Another
option
is
to
continue
in
the
current
plan
to
construct
that
sidewalk
or
path.
Perhaps
we
could
construct
a
narrower
path
on
that
portion
and
just
see
it
as
kind
of
a
throwaway
temporary
path
for
one
to
two
years
until
the
subsequent
phase
is
designed
in
bid
for
construction
and
construction
begins.
As
far
as
the
Swale
in
that
area,
the
design,
drainage
improvements
would
look
at
that
and
include
a
you
know,
some
underground
piping
and
catch
basins.
B
If
we
needed
to
replace
any
swale
area
that
swale
currently
is
I,
don't
know
how
formal
it
is
in
the
original
design
of
that
roadway
in
intersection.
I
think
it's
just
kind
of
something
that
that
was
you
know
kind
of
organically
created
along
the
way.
There
is
some
growth,
some
shrubbery
and
some
trees
there
that
are
on
city
property.
That's
another
one
of
those
things
we
run
into
a
lot
where
you
know
if
we
are
given
direction
to
move
forward
on
that,
we
just
have
to
work
with
the
property
owner,
help
them
understand
it.
C
Yeah,
that's
about
the
only
benefit
that
you
that
you
would
see
from
that.
On
that
perspective
is
the
curb
and
gutter
just
a
raised
barrier.
There
would
tend
to
slow
him
down.
It's
I
think
we
still
have
the
road
being
10-foot
wide.
So
that's
a
conservative
with,
but
it's
a
standard
width
for
that
roadway.
It's
not
like
we're
shrinking
it
down
to
9
feet
to
make
them
feel
tight
to
slow
them
down.
So
the
only
thing
you
get
for
really
a
traffic
calming
is
the
physical
barrier
of
the
curb.
C
You
go
back
just
a
little
bit
to
that
last
question.
With
the
swales
I
know:
kale
talked
about
a
little
bit,
but
one
that
Southside
there's
really
no
predominance
Wales
to
catch
drainage
until
you
get
west
of
Ronde.
That's
one
reason
why,
with
the
drainage
improvements,
we've
decided
to
limit
stop
the
Grande
east
of
grande.
There
is
overgrowth
over
that's
outside
of
the
road,
but
you
know
it's
basically
just
overgrowth
brush
things
like
that.
C
It
would
get
cleared
out
to
put
the
path
in
we've
done
cross
sections
there
as
part
of
what
we
already
designed
for
the
drainage
project
and
all
those
properties
tend
to
drain
through
the
road
plus.
Like
I
said
when
we
add
in
the
curb
and
gutter,
because
of
that
curb
and
gutter
being
the
six
edge
height,
we
have
to
basically
lower
that
Road
equivalent
of
about
six
inches.
So
those
properties
continue
to
drain
into
that
curbing
gutter.
C
C
An
e1,
a
yeah,
okay,
yeah
cuz,
there's
no
sidewalk
on
the
south
side
on
that
stretch,
so
the
d-o-t
didn't
put
a
crossing,
but
I
know.
If
you
had
a
sidewalk
I
went
over
there,
you
could
convince
the
DoD
to
do
it
because
in
all
of
our
projects
with
them,
it's
their
goal
to
put
crosswalks
on
all
four
corners
for
all
four
legs
of
an
intersection.
B
And
let
me
comment
that
we
briefly,
there
hasn't
been
a
formal
study
done
to
my
knowledge
right
now,
but
we've
discussed
it
internally
and
it
looks
like
it
would
be
very
challenging
if
we
chose
to
put
a
sidewalk
or
certainly
an
eight
foot
path
on
the
south
south
of
Jack's
Drive
between
South
Beach,
Parkway
and
3rd
I'm,
not
going
to
say
it's
impossible.
We
haven't
looked
at
it
formally
yet,
but
it
would
be
I
will
say
from
what
we
looked
at
so
far.
It
would
be
challenging.
C
A
And
one
of
the
things
I'll
throw
out
there
for
for
council
to
think
about,
as
well
as
that,
the
the
two
parcels
on
the
west
side
of
South
Beach
Parkway,
both
north
and
south
of
Jacksonville
Drive.
Those
are
both
owned
by
the
City
of
Jacksonville
Beach
and
those
are
both
properties
that
at
some
point
in
time,
could
undergo
some
redevelopment
to
be
community
amenities
or
community
assets.
A
There's
the
possibility
that,
on
the
southwest
corner
of
the
intersection,
could
end
up
with
some
type
of
a
pocket
park
and
on
the
northwest
corner,
which
is
a
large
parcel
that
extends
parallel
to
South
Beach
Parkway,
for
some
distance
to
the
north
could
end
up
being
a
modified,
not
just
urban
trail,
but
also
some
type
of
a
linear
park
that
takes
you
further
to
the
north
and
brings
you
up
to
sunshine
Park,
so
in
in
terms
of
intersection
in
the
future.
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
opportunities,
both
north
and
south
of
the
roadway.
A
A
F
F
I
mean
we
certainly
could
reduce
the
lane
width
to
nine
feet,
and
that
would
to
miss
Hoffman's
point
would
help
with
the
traffic,
because
you
know
I
certainly
have
seen
that
in
places
where
the
roads
are
narrower,
the
cars,
the
cars
don't
tend
to
go
as
fast,
and
that
would
give
us
a
little
more
and
give
us
a
little
more
space
to
work
with.
Is
that
something
that
we
could
consider.
C
Can
tell
you
that
usually
the
back
the
minimum
traveling
with
we
usually
go
to
is
10
feet
I
mean
once
you
start
getting
lower
than
that,
and
you
know
like
we're
putting
the
physical
barrier
in
there.
You
have
a
vehicle
breakdown.
It
just
really
messes
things
up
when
you
go
below
10
feet,
I'd
really
have
to
look
back
at
what
some
of
the
studies
have
shown:
four
lanes
with
less
than
10,
but
working
with
d-o-t
and
all
my
other
local
municipalities.
C
B
D
I'm
still
in
favor
of
having
a
multi-use
trail,
you
gotta
start
somewhere
and
yes,
the
preference,
the
preference
would
be
on
the
north
side,
but
adding
that
to
six
feet.
We
need
a
I
walk
these
roads.
A
lot
and
I
will
say
that
when
I'm
walking,
I
always
have
to
look
behind
me
because
there's
always
bikes
coming
up
and
they
don't
always
have
a
bell
or
I
might
have
my
headphones
on,
and
so
it's
actually
kind
of
dangerous
to
be
walking
on
those
sidewalks
at
times,
especially
that
Jacksonville
Drive
one.
D
That's
the
one
that
you
like.
You
take
15
steps.
You
look
behind
you
to
see
if
there
are
bikes
coming,
because
you
know
that
they're
gonna
be
bikes
coming
so
yeah.
Definitely
I
really
do
like
the
eight
foot
path.
So
this
way
we
can
have
bikes
and
walkers
at
the
same
time,
between
America
and
South,
Beach,
Parkway,
I,
don't
think
is
as
problematic
as
between
South
Beach,
Parkway
and
third.
That
said,
we
have
a
new
neighborhood
down
there
and
you
still
have
Halleck.
C
And
I
guess:
don't
get
too
scared
of
the
eight
foot
on
one
side
and
six
foot
on
one
side,
because
if
you
look
at
kerning
Boulevard,
that's
what
the
City
of
Jacksonville
has
done.
They
have
a
six
foot
or
a
five
foot
sidewalk
on
the
west
side
of
Kernan
Boulevard
and
they
have
an
8
foot
path
on
the
east
side
of
Kernan
Boulevard,
and
that
was
basically
just
because
the
traffic
out
there
and
they
wanted
the
pedestrians
to
have
that
area.
Like
you
said,
to
kind
of
give
the
bikes
a
place
to
go.
C
Well,
I
understand:
there
is
some
people,
I
think,
have
a
misperception
like
it
bump
into
a
footpath
over
here.
Why
am
I
even
doing
a
sidewalk
on
the
other
side
of
the
road?
It's
not
that
uncommon
I'm.
Just
throwing
that
out.
There's
an
example
of
something
you
can
see.
It
has
been
done
where
there
is
an
8
foot
on
one
side
and
a
6
foot
on
the
other
side.
That's
all
just
didn't
want
somebody
to
get
scared
off
that
we
got
a
footpath
on
one
side.
C
A
F
F
I
mean
I
feel
the
same
as
I
did
last
time,
and
it
said
I
really
want
to
support
a
multi-use
path
and
I
really
want
to
support
this
as
the
direction
that
we're
going,
but
a
neat
footpath
on
one
side
and
a
six-foot
path
on
the
other
divided
by
one
road.
That's
only
20
feet
wide
just
seems
like
a
lot
pavement
and
the
thought
kale.
E
F
B
Yeah,
this
temporary
was
just
to
avoid
the
appearance
of
a
pathway
to
nowhere.
I
would
prefer
not
to
do
that
and
just
have
a
pathway
to
nowhere
for
two
blocks
of
it
or
a
block
and
a
half
about
until
we
had
the
second
phase
of
the
project
come
in,
but
this
was
somewhere
we,
you
know
we
were
directed
to,
and
this
might
be
a
great
place
to
start
with
this
new
connectivity
concept.
So
just
looking
for
direction.
F
One
of
my
concerns
would
be
that
if
we
have
two
paths,
one
on
the
north
side
and
one
on
the
south
side,
like
what
MS
Dumont
said,
what
you
know
if
you're
crossing,
if
most
people
are
going
to
cross
on
the
north
side
and
you've
got
bicycles
coming
you
know,
from
the
east
to
the
west,
I
mean,
what's
the
what's
the
what's,
to
motivate
them
to
to
go
to
the
south
side.
To
the
wider
paths,
I
mean
III
mean
I.
F
So
you
know,
and
in
some
ways
I'm
not
sure
that
I
understand
why
I'm
not
sure
that
having
two
paths,
if
it's
going
to
be
a
good
solution
in
that
in
that
case,
if
we,
you
know,
if
there's
only
going
to
be
one
way
to
two
going
west
to
I,
mean
going
westward,
if
the
only
place
that
you
can
cross
South
Beach
Parkway
is
on
the
north
side,
so
I
I
don't
know
I'm,
not
I'm
not
sold
on
the
two
paths.
At
this
point,
I.
E
Agree,
I
think
there's
first
off,
there's
not
even
house
on
the
side
really
in
it.
As
far
as
the
people
that
live
on
the
east
side
of
Jackson
will
drive.
So
what
I
don't
understand
the
point
of
putting
a
half
to
cater
to
residence
or
everybody
else
is
located
on
north
of
Jacksonville
Drive
like
if
you
had
a
street
like
Osceola,
we're
coming
from
both
directions
to
I
think
that
corridor
people
use
both
sides
of
Osceola
to
get
to
the
beach
side.
B
E
It's
a
small
sidewalk
on
most,
but
people
use
both
sides.
I.
Just
don't
see
that
on
Jacksonville,
dry
and
I
I
know
it's
reasonable
traffic,
but
it's
really
not
a
busy
street
in
comparison
to
crossing
I.
Don't
think
it's
difficult,
Ross
Jacksonville
drive
to
get
one
multi-use
path.
That's
eight
feet
wide
on
the
north
side,.
D
Okay,
so
from
what
I'm
hearing
here,
we
don't
think
that
we
should
have
a
path
on
the
north
side
and
the
south
side
for
four
blocks.
So
that
brings
us
back
to
where
we
were
at
the
council
meeting
when
this
was
first
presented
was
a
lot
of
a
longer
a
larger
path
on
the
north
side
of
the
road
and
I
know
you've
all
gone
through.
D
I
can
speed
the
argument
here
and
if
it's
only
gonna
go
four
blocks
and
possibly
five
more,
maybe
it's
three
blocks
down
to
sanctuary
I
mean
there
is
all
the
palm
way
neighborhood
as
well
as
the
Ocean
Terrace,
but
that
still
not
be
both
of
the
people
who
use
that
area.
So
I
think
we
really
need
to
think
about
this
before
spending
the
money
on
building
two
paths
but
I'm
still
I'm
more
of
a
proponent
for
the
north
side
stated
before
it's
seamless.
A
A
A
A
You
know
if
you
click
your
mouse
outside
of
this
and
activate
a
different
app.
The
spacebar
doesn't
work.
Long
and
short,
though,
is
that
we
are
going
to
walk
you
through
what
our
budget
assumptions
are
for
this
upcoming
fiscal
year's
budget
preparation.
I
do
have
Ashley
Gossett
on
the
line
to
assist
with
any
questions
that
you
might
have,
or
the
assumptions
that
we
have
within
that
document
and
I
need
to
pull
it
up
hold
on
for
one.
Second,
you.
A
A
So
the
the
first
assumption
that
we
wanted
to
walk
you
through,
and
you
should
have
all
received
a
memo
with
your
packets
again
in
advance
of
the
briefing
for
tonight.
The
first
item
is
with
regards
to
the
millage
rate
and,
as
was
the
case
last
year,
and
also
for
the
proposed
fiscal
year,
2021
budget
we're
proposing
to
hold
the
millage
rate
the
same
again
at
three
point:
nine,
nine,
four
seven.
The
next
section
of
the
memo
that
you
should
have
received
regarding
revenues
is
where
it
gets
a
little
bit
different
than
in
previous
years.
A
A
One
of
the
things
that
actually
and
her
staff
are
looking
at
is
that
we
are
projecting
a
decline
in
state
shared
revenues,
including
sales
tax
revenues,
in
line
with
our
experience
during
the
Great
Recession,
so
we're
actually
looking
back
a
decade's
worth
in
time.
Ashley
did
I
think
a
pretty
good
job
of
benchmarking.
She
took
a
look
at
what
the
actual
revenue
decreases
were
in
the
time
of
the
Great
Recession
and
clearly,
with
the
unemployment
rates
that
we're
seeing,
even
though
they
might
be
of
a
temporary
basis,
they're
still
being
experienced
as
we
speak.
A
A
A
Jumping
down
to
personnel
services,
obviously
we
have
a
new
pay
plan
that
went
to
effect
this
past
year
and
we
are
in
the
process
of
getting
ready
to
negotiate
with
our
Police
Department
on
their
contract
renewal.
So
we
are
putting
assumptions
into
the
budget
based
on
those.
We
are
also
assuming
that
all
of
our
positions
are
filled
and
no
lapse
is
budgeted
with
regards
to
those
personnel
positions.
A
With
regards
to
operating
we're,
looking
at
asking
all
of
our
departments
to
hold
their
operating
expenses
flat
while
providing
providing
the
same
level
of
service.
We
are
also
looking
at
potential
reductions
for
department
and
we
are
reserving
some
of
those
funds
so
that
if
there
is
an
economic
recovery
at
some
point
in
2021,
we
have
the
ability
to
release
those
funds
accordingly
and
if
not,
we're
able
to
keep
those
pulled
off
to
the
side.
With
regards
to
debt
service,
we
are
still
on
track
to
be
debt-free
on
October
1st
of
2020.
A
The
big
thing
that
we
did
a
little
differently
this
year
last
year,
once
we
got
the
budget
packaged
and
put
together
with
you,
we
kind
of
did
a
things
that
are
not
in
the
budget
and
I
talked
with
Ashley
and
I
wanted
to
actually
walk
you
through
that
now,
so
you
had
an
idea
of
what
we
were
looking
at
if
the
economy
had
kept
going,
the
way
it
was
going,
but
unfortunately,
at
this
point
these
are
things
were
gonna
have
to
put
on
the
backburner.
The
first
one
was
a
chief
information
officer.
A
We
were
planning
on
spinning
off
the
IT
department
or
IT
division
from
finance
into
its
own
department.
The
city
is
getting
to
a
point
where
it
needs
to
have
an
IT
department
that
is
robust
in
both
its
leadership,
its
philosophy
and
its
proactivity
in
working
with
department
directors,
in
both
an
enterprise
solution,
as
well
as
specific
solutions
to
meet
their
needs
and
keep
us
on
more
of
a
cutting
edge.
Going
forward,
but,
unfortunately,
we're
gonna
have
to
wait
on
doing
that
to
a
later
point
in
time.
A
The
second
was
with
regards
to
a
second
code
enforcement
officer
council.
Member
Dumont
can
probably
confirm
that
at
each
of
the
meetings
we
attended
for
the
community
conversations,
community
aesthetics
was
was
very
high
on
the
priority
for
our
residents,
both
commercial
and
residential
right
now,
code
enforcement
is
acting
in
a
reactive
mode
as
opposed
to
a
proactive
mode,
and
in
order
to
make
that
switch
to
proactive,
we
actually
need
more
resources
to
do
so.
A
This
is
another
one
that
is
going
to
have
to
be
placed
on
the
back
burner,
while
some
people
may
say
the
philosophy
is
that
if
we
collect
code
enforcement
revenues,
then
it
would
pay
for
a
second
code
enforcement
officer.
I
would
suppose
to
this
council
that
the
intent
of
code
enforcement
is
not
to
generate
money.
A
The
intent
is
to
gain
compliance,
and
if
you
are
proactive
in
your
code
enforcement
in
talking
to
people
proactively,
when
you
see
an
issue,
the
objective
is
to
gain
compliance
before
you
ever
have
to
issue
a
Notice
of
Violation
and
get
them
to
appear
in
front
of
the
special
magistrate.
So
while
in
theory
it
would
work
financially
pay
for
itself,
I
would
like
to
think
that
it
would
not
pay
for
itself
because
we
would
be
gaining
a
lot
more
compliance.
A
The
third
item
is
the
Deputy
Fire
Marshal
position
that
was
approved
for
this
year's
budget.
We've
effectively
frozen
that
position,
even
though
it's
in
the
the
pay
plan,
Steve
shadow
was
still
holding
down
before
he's
running
a
little
ragged,
but
this
is
something
that
I
just
don't
feel
comfortable
filling.
This
particular
position
at
this
point
in
time
until
we
understand
where
we
are
in
at
least
a
six
plus
month
window
of
financial
revenues
being
realized
and
seeing
just
how
bad
this
recession
is
going
to
be
or
projecting
how
long
it
may.
F
A
You
going
once
going
twice
no
hands
being
raised.
We
look
forward
to
packaging
up
this
document
in
the
next
few
months
and
getting
it
out
to
Council
to
take
a
look
at
and
obviously
once
you
get
those
budgets,
if
you
have
any
questions,
feel
free
to
call
either
ashley
me
or
karen
and
we'll
be
more
than
happy
to
help
you
out
with
answering
those
questions
with
that
being
said,
we'll
move
on
to
item
number
four,
which
is
the
flip,
which
is
the
upcoming
4th
of
July
Thank
You
Ashley.
A
Some
business
is
still
being
closed
and
other
businesses
only
being
open
for
25%
capacity
I
recognize
that
the
only
other
time
the
4th
of
July
was
canceled
in
the
city
was
a
number
of
years
ago,
and
obviously
that
was
a
big
issue
at
the
time.
This
is
a
premier
or
signature
event
from
the
city.
What
I
wanted
to
do
was
put
this
on
our
radar.
A
If
we
need
to
wait
another
week
and
talk
about
it
at
the
end
of
next
week's
council
meeting,
so
be
it,
but
I
wanted
to
give
you
a
little
bit
of
feedback.
The
City
of
Jacksonville
has
not
yet
made
a
decision
that
we've
heard
of
in
terms
of
going
forth
with
the
4th
of
July.
Fireworks
exhibit
and
we've
also
contacted
the
city
of
st.
F
A
G
A
The
fireworks
company
has
told
us
they've
got
about
a
three
to
four
week,
working
window,
so
add
in
a
little
bit
of
a
conservative
buffer,
because
we
don't
want
to
vote.
Be
those
people
that
pull
the
trigger
at
the
last
possible
moment.
That
puts
at
about
the
end
of
this
month
that
we
would
need
to
make
a
decision
and.
A
Do
not
have
the
overtime
for
police
candy,
but
my
understanding
and
Ashley,
if
you're
still
on
the
line,
you
might
want
to
come
back
into
the
conversation
Jacob
if
you
could
bring
her
in
there's
actually
two
components
to
this
from
a
financial
funding
perspective,
the
city
actually
budgets
just
over
$10,000
to
pay
for
barricades
security
and
some
other
things.
On
our
end,
the
City
of
Jacksonville
has
actually
paid
for
the
fireworks
the
past
couple
of
years
to
the
tune
of
in
excess
of
$20,000
Ashley.
Is
there
anything
more?
You
want
to
add
to
that?
No.
G
A
A
Or
the
firework
company
we
wouldn't
be
making
that
financial
commitment
until
the
end
of
the
month
yeah
yet
to
the
end
of
the
month,
and
we
make
a
financial
commitment.
I've
not
looked
at
the
agreement
yet
for
some
SEOs
on
the
line.
I
know
he's
in
the
process
of
reviewing
it.
I
didn't
know.
If
that
agreement
contains
a
non-refundable
deposit,
yeah.
H
I,
the
answer
is
that
we
would
be
required
to
put
down
a
$12,500
deposit,
but
if
that's
there
might
be
Jacksonville
putting
that
deposit
down.
However,
the
a
vendor
in
their
current
agreement
and
I
would
ask
to
revise
this
agreement,
but
the
way
they
currently
have
it
and
their
standard
agreement
is.
We
must
provide
30
days,
written
notice
if
we
intend,
on
cancelling.
H
G
A
A
A
A
H
A
H
I,
don't
know
if
they've
seen
the
same
pyroshow
vendor
contract
agreement
that
I've
seen
but
I
don't
accept
this
contract
on
behalf
of
the
City
of
Jacksonville.
Beach
I
want
to
modify
this.
So
that's
something
I
just
wanted
to
point
out
to
the
council.
That's
part
of
what
we
would
need
to
do
in
preparation
for
May
26.
E
A
E
A
A
There's
no
objections.
We
will
do
that
and
add
it
as
a
discussion
item
on
the
June
1st
agenda
and
then
that
way,
we'll,
hopefully
have
all
of
our
questions
answered
with
regards
to
the
agreement
we'll
see
where
we
are
with
regards
to
declaration
of
state
of
emergency
and
we'll
be
able
to
make
a
final
decision
at
that
point
in
time,
does
that
seem
to
work
for
everybody.
A
A
We
are
taking
additional
precautions
where
we
have
employees
that
have
to,
for
their
work
purposes,
work
closer
than
the
6
foot
distance
separation
with
providing
the
appropriate
PPE
in
order
to
do
so
and
we're
getting
comfortable
with
working
in
our
day-to-day
environment
within
City
Hall
using
PPE
and
social
distancing.
The
next
phase
for
us
we'll
be
talking
about
when
is
the
appropriate
time
to
open
our
city
facilities
in
particularly
City
Hall
to
the
public.
A
The
date
that
were
currently
targeting
to
make
that
happen
is
June
1st,
where
we
would
basically
say
we
are
open
to
the
public
and
allow
people
to
start
coming
back
into
the
buildings.
This
will
allow
us
to
to
do
a
lot
of
different
things.
The
first
and
foremost
is
to
allow
us
to
start
doing
those
quasi-judicial
functions
that
have
essentially
been
on
hold
for
an
extended
period
of
time
due
to
kovat
19
and
the
safer
at
home
declarations.
A
The
the
big
thing
that
this
would
mean
for
us
is
that
June
1st
would
mean
that
that
particular
meeting
would
actually
be
held,
probably
in
a
hybrid
format.
Here
at
City
Hall,
where
we
would
have
the
council
members
present
those
who
did
not
feel
comfortable
being
present,
they
could
still
be
tied
in
using
CMT
or
other
forms
of
technology.
We
would
also
have
multiple
forms
of
public
input
in
order
to
participate
in
the
meetings
as
well.
A
What
I
wanted
to
get
a
gut
feel
of
today
from
the
council
was,
as
we
continue
to
progress
through
this
gradual
opening,
with
right
now,
25
percent
capacity,
how
comfortable
you
all
are
with
coming
to
you're.
Coming
back
to
City
Hall
for
your
first
in-person
meeting
on
June
1st
and
I
see
Chris.
You
still
have
your
hand
raised,
I
didn't
know
if
you
wanted
to
provide
input
from
the
attorney's
office
at
all.
H
E
D
Thank
you
so
I'm
I
take
it
when
you
say
hybrid
you're,
not
talking
about
video,
because
everything
about
how
City
Hall,
how
the
council
chambers
is
set
up.
If
let's
say
I'm
like
I,
never
have
to
leave
my
house
again.
This
is
kind
of
cool,
so
I
want
to
do
it.
This
way,
I
would
not
be
on
video
and
I
wouldn't
be
able
to
see
the
people
who
are
speaking
unless
I
was
watching
on
YouTube
and
then
it'd
just
be
a
little
back
of
head,
am
I
getting
this
correct
and
then
how
I'm
taking
it?
A
That
is,
that
is
a
possibility.
We've
not
worked
through
all
the
details
of
yet
of
what
a
hybrid
would
look
like.
If
you
recall
the
last
in-person
meeting
that
we
had
was
closed
to
public
attendance,
even
though
the
public
could
still
participate.
Our
intention
would
be
that
the
meeting
would
be
open
to
the
public.
They
would
be
able
to
come
into
the
council
chambers.
The
way
we
had
the
room
set
up
with
regards
to
six-foot
separation
of
everyone
in
the
room
is
something
we
would
probably
still
do.
A
If
you
all,
who
represent
the
public,
don't
want
to
come
into
the
building,
so
you
can
see
that
there's
a
dilemma
here.
It
kind
of
needs
to
be
packaged
together
if
I
open
the
doors
were
open
for
business.
If
I
don't
open
the
doors.
We're
closed
for
business
council
meetings,
Board
of
Adjustment
special
magistrate
is
all
part
of
our
conducting
of
business
and
being
open
to
the
public.
That's
why
I'm
looking
for
a
little
bit
of
input
from
your
with.
D
You
get
fireworks
on
them
on
the
agenda,
even
if
it's
just
for
discussion,
you're
going
to
get
a
lot
of
people,
so
I
would
suggest
opening
City
Hall
in
a
second
and
I.
Don't
know
what
else
is
going
to
be
on
the
agenda
for
the
first
either.
So
if
it's,
if
there
are
more
contentious
issues,
I
just
don't
see
it
being
a
smooth
flowing
meeting,
but
that's
just
me
I
just
remember
what
it
was
like.
D
A
G
I
know
we
need
to
move
forward,
there's
a
lot
of
people
waiting
for
variances
to
have
work
done
around
their
house
and
and
for
that
reason
it's
important
that
we
get
open
as
soon
as
we
can.
That
being
said,
I
also
think
it's
important
that
you
know,
let's
use
public
supermarket
for
an
example.
They
do
a
great
job
of
putting
tape
on
the
floor
axes
for
how
far
away
you
need
to
be,
but
they're
not
holding
a
big
training
session
or
something
like
that
where
they
get
a
big
group
of
people
together.
G
So
in
my
mind,
you're
talking
about
two
situations,
even
though
you're
talking
about
Oakland
in
City
Hall
I,
don't
think
that
necessarily
means
that
you
have
to
conduct
meetings
in
council
at
the
same
time,
if
we're
instill
in
a
social
distancing
element
I'm,
not
comfortable,
asking
the
council
to
come
back
to
the
to
the
council
chambers,
because
the
separation
that
we're
using.
We
notice
that
during
the
first
attempt
at
this,
it
really
cuts
down
the
amount
of
people
that
can
come
in
in
the
interaction
of
the
people
that
come
in.
So
that's
my
two
bits.
G
E
Exactly
what
I
was
going
to
say,
they're
two
completely
different
animals
there
and
most
employees
when
doing
with
the
public,
have
protections
in
City
Hall,
for
instance,
if
you're
paying
your
utility
bill,
there's
a
glass
partition,
I'm
assuming
for
Planning
Department.
We
can
put
up
a
glass
partition,
so
they're
not
face
to
face
dealing
with
applications
and
things
like
that.
Having
discussions,
so
I
would
like
to
mirrors
the
way
Publix
has
done
that
for
their
employees
and
that's
just
really
not
possible
in
in
the
chambers.
E
I
just
think
it's
a
different,
dynamic
and
I
think
it
should
be
treated
differently.
So
in
some,
and
we
can't
always
predict
how
many
people
are
gonna
show
up
some
issues
that
we
think
are
gonna
be
smooth.
Next
thing
you
know
it's
standing
room
only
and
then
what
are
we
with
social
distancing,
I?
Just
don't
think
it's
possible,
so
I
think
I'm
comfortable,
as
the
mayor
just
said,
with
keeping
it
opening
City
Hall,
but
not
having
meetings
in
in
chambers.
F
Just
also
wanted
to
agree
with
Marilee
Simon
mr.
mogill,
saying
I
think
there's
a
huge
difference
between
meetings
and
transactional
business,
which
someone
can
come
in
and
quickly
do
their
business
and
be
on
the
way,
and
we
can
control
that
flow
and
with
meetings
we
just
don't
have
that
same
opportunity.
The
name
of
the
game
right
now
for
for
businesses
and
organizations
is
faced.
Reopening
and
I
think
that
it
is
okay
for
us
to
consider
a
face
reopening
as
well.
A
H
We're
pretty
clear,
perhaps
part
of
the
phasing
in
can
be
some
of
our
smaller
hearings,
not
the
necessarily
that
City
Council
agenda
items
or
meetings
I
should
say
because,
like
the
council
members
have
said,
we
never
know
we
could
get
a
hundred
people
there
for
that.
On
a
city
council
meeting.
However,
some
of
our
smaller
boards
may
be
able
to
conduct
certain
matters
and
business
items
where
we
know
the
crowds
would
be
small
or
even
if
those
particular
boards
don't
have
any
quasi
judicial
aspects
to
it.
H
They
may
be
able
to
conduct
some
business
with
very
minimal
or
even
no
public
participation,
not
that
they
can't
attend,
but
there
may
be
no
need
for
public
participation
in
terms
of
you
know,
stating
things
on
the
record
or
presenting
any
evidence.
So
perhaps
as
part
of
our
phasing
in,
we
can
conduct
some
of
those
types
of
meetings,
but
we
can
talk
to
Mike
and
I
can
talk
about
all
that
later.
But
but,
if
absolutely
I
think
we
got
the
message
from
the
City
Council
clearly
tonight
with
respect
to
the
city
council
meetings.
D
The
we
any
male
do
a
while
ago-
and
you
said
you're
gonna,
look
into
this
about
the
email
was
with
regard
to
the
CRA,
using
something
like
zoom
to
get
these
meetings
going,
and
you
said
that
you're
going
to
check
into
their
if
they
had
the
technology
at
home
to
be
able
to
do
so.
Is
it
possible
to
one?
Did
you
do
that
and
do
you
know
if
the
board
members
do
have
the
technology
to
be
able
to
use
at
home?
D
That's
readily
available
to
be
able
to
do
virtual
meetings,
because
even
if
it's
quasi-judicial,
it
still
could
be
done
online
if
needed.
There's
a
like
was
mentioned
before
there
are
some
issues
that
you
don't
think,
there's
going
to
be
a
lot
of
people
and
then
the
place
gets
packed.
I
remember
there.
There
were
often
times
with
on
the
Planning
Commission
that
we
would
have
far
larger
crowds
than
the
City
Council
meetings
had
depending
on
what
was
on
the
agenda.
A
Answer
this
question
in
two
parts:
the
first
one
is
with
regards
to
CRA
and
some
of
the
other
boards
with
regard
to
technology
bill.
Man
is
in
the
process
of
still
confirming
what
they
have
for
technology,
but
his
intention
is
to
have
a
CRA
briefing
on
I
believe
the
26th
of
this
month
to
basically
review
a
handful
of
topics
for
the
CRA.
They
would
not
be
looking
at
holding
any
type
of
voting.
A
A
The
the
issue
that
we're
having
is
with
some
of
our
secondary
boards,
such
as
planning
and
special
magistrate
whereby
Chris
recently
attended
a
video
conference
with
attorneys
from
across
the
state,
and
there
are
a
preponderance
of
governmental
organizations
that
are
steering
clear
of
holding
any
type
of
quasi
judicial
or
process
or
procedure
using
virtual
platforms
and
Chris
could
probably
expound
on
what
a
lot
of
those
issues
are.
But
this
is
this
is
kind
of
the
catch-22.
If
the.
A
If
the
counsel
is
saying
that
they're
uncomfortable
with
coming
into
the
building
and
conducting
business
in
the
council
chambers,
then
it
becomes
very
difficult
for
me
to
persuade
other
boards
that
they
should
come
in
and
conduct
their
business
and
the
council
chambers
or,
as
Chris,
would
say,
to
proceed
in
a
virtual
fashion,
where
you
may
end
up
with
some
challenges
that
were
not
expecting
with
regards
to
the
the
process
or
the
procedure
being
followed
in
Chris.
I.
A
Don't
know
if
there's
anything
you
want
to
chime
in
regard
to
that,
but
that's
one
of
the
reasons
that
I
was
looking
at
it
from
the
perspective
of.
If,
if
we're
holding
meetings
at
City
Hall,
then
we're
all
holding
meetings
at
City
Hall,
but
if
we're
not
holding
meetings
at
City
Hall,
then
no
one's
holding
meetings
at
City
Hall
because
it
starts
to
get
very
dicey
where
someone
says
well.
Why
is
it
you're
holding
a
meeting
for
the
special
magistrate
but
you're
not
doing
one
with
the
Planning
Board?
A
H
Yes,
so
sorry,
so
I
attended
a
large
seminar
that
involved
many
of
the
leading
attorneys
on
municipal
law,
land
use,
hearings,
quasi
judicial
hearings
and
also
private
after
those
were
government
attorneys
and
also
private
attorneys
that
engage
in
that,
and
also
the
contractors
that
would
be
repped
making
representations
at
those
hearings.
So
we
heard
from
the
other
side
of
the
table
and
it
was
uniformly
recommended
that
local
governments
try
to
stay
away
from
conducting
virtual
quasi
judicial
hearings.
A
lot
of
I
would
say
a
large
majority
of
the
local
governments
aren't
even
doing
it.
H
They
absolutely
decided
to
postpone
until
they
can
have
an
in-person
quasi
judicial.
Those
few
governments
that
have
had
quasi
judicial
hearings
have
reported
various
problems,
but
the
overall
concerns
are
from
this
large
body
and
all
the
moderators
was
that
we
have
a
chance
of
being
challenged
in
the
proceeding
itself.
If
it
were
to
proceed
would
be
challenged
as
being
invalid
or
void,
and
we
could
also
face
lawsuit
and
appeals
for
challenges
against
substantive
due
process.
Procedural
due
process,
improper
handling
or
processing
of
testimony
evidence
the
right
to
cross
witness
and
exam
examine
witnesses,
potentially
making.
H
H
For
the
same
reasons
that
they're
concerned
city
of
San,
San
Augustine
had
one,
but
their
legal
department
essentially
recommended
that
could
not
be
taken,
but
they
were
directed
that
it
not
be
had,
but
they
were
told
by
their
leaders
to
have
one
so
I
would
say
as
as
much
as
I
want
to
start
to
have.
Quasi
judicial
hearings
and
I
want
Magistrate
hearings.
I
would
prefer
that
they
be
in
person
and
I
and
I
feel
like
that.
Serves
the
parties
better
as
well.
H
D
H
On
quasi-judicial,
it
wasn't
necessarily
yeah,
it
wasn't
necessarily
explicitly
stated
as
quasi
judicial
hearings,
but
inside
that
we've
all
all
the
municipal
attorneys
that
I've
spoken
to
in
that
I've,
been
on
with
seminars.
We've
all
read
that
those
orders
as
being
including
quasi-judicial
hearings
that
we
can
conduct
them
using
CMT.
However,
the
practical
logistics
of
it
are
left
up
to
us
to
try
to
figure
out,
but
they've
opened
the
door
for
us
to
to
use
CMT
and
some
a
few
governments
have
tried
to
do
that.
Using
CMT
okay,.
A
Think
we
received
the
direction
we
needed
on
this
particular
item,
so
it
sounds
like
we
will
not
have
a
council
briefing
on
the
26th,
which
would
be
the
Tuesday
after
the
holiday
weekend.
So
we
will
add
an
item
to
the
June
1st
agenda,
which
we
will
still
hold
virtually
to
make
a
final
decision
regarding
4th
of
July
fireworks.
A
But
that
being
said,
I've
got
no
other
topics
to
talk
with
the
council
about
tonight
and
I'm
not
going
to
ask
you
if
you
have
any
topics
you
want
to
talk
about
either.
So
with
that
being
said,
it
is
7:30.
Everybody
go
and
have
a
good
evening
and
we'll
consider
the
council
briefing
closed
unless
mayor
there's
anything
you
want
to
touch
on.