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A
B
B
Got
a
motion
a
second
then
discussion
from
the
council,
seeing
none
all
in
favor,
please
signify
by
saying
aye.
Any
opposed
biting
biting
action
motion
carries
and,
ladies
and
gentlemen,
at
this
point,
I'm
gonna
change
the
agenda.
We're
gonna,
move
up,
number
19
and
0
8
0,
which
is
to
approve
the
city
managers
decision,
appoint,
managing
Paul
Smith
to
the
position
of
chief,
effective
21,
veins,
2019.
D
The
council
and
possible
members
of
the
public
are
aware:
over
the
last
several
months,
we've
conducted
a
recruitment
process
for
employees
chief
for
the
City
of
Jacksonville
Beach.
After
going
through
over
five
dozen
applications
over
a
dozen
shortlisted
candidates
and
then
conducting
a
finalist
interview
of
six
finalists
here
at
the
city
of
jacks
Beach.
It
turns
out
that
the
most
suited
police
chief
candidate
we
have
was
actually
within
our
ranks,
all
walk,
and
that
was
manager.
Investment
he's
been
with
the
Department
for
almost
25
years,
who
possesses
both
a
bachelor's
degree
and
a
master's
degree.
E
F
Thank
you,
Miss
Marron,
counseling
and
information
and
well
over
here.
Let's
move
your
worksheet
tonight
my
time.
This
is
a
1
minute
and
30
seconds,
Thank
You.
First
to
the
mayor
members
of
City
Council
partners
for
thank
you
Mike
for
taking
a
chance
on
me
thanks
to
the
poor
man
hands
for
your
kind
words
of
support.
Thank
you
to
finish
special
people
that
we
might
give
this
Karen
Nelson
James
on
cabbage
and
fiscal
answer
before
we
know
why.
F
Special
thanks
to
Captain
Baillie
of
the
beaches,
leader
chief
chief
rookie,
Pike,
Neptune,
Beach
Police
Department
Director
Santa
morning
of
the
st.
Johns
County
Sheriff's,
Office
assistance,
a
attorney
man,
okie
chief,
rich
Townsend,
retired
Master,
Sergeant,
David,
Jones
staff,
sergeant
Keith
Brown,
director
Steve,
would
CPA
president
can
do
one
I'm
Taylor
and
communication
supervisor
area
to
local
members
of
JP
peace,
PD,
SWAT
team
girls
be
my
Brandon
brothers
and
sisters,
members
of
the
Jacksonville
Beach
Police
Department,
detective
Division.
Also
thank
you
to
all
the
employees
and
volunteers
of
JP
PD.
F
Your
supporters
been
overwhelmed,
and
you
gave
me
strength
to
do
the
job
thanks
to
all
my
friends
in
to
the
citizens
of
Jacksonville
Beach,
for
your
support.
I
would
like
to
mention
my
man
who
could
not
be
here
tonight,
but
we
were
recording
this
thanks
Troy
as
a
mom,
I
love
you,
everyone
knows.
How
only
imagine
that
knows
me
and
now.
F
F
B
G
Regulator,
number
City
Council
minister's
office.
First
Tomlinson
filled
our
five
zero
five
five
six
protective
of
easily
to
do
four
zero.
Just
very
quickly.
I
would
like
to
say
that,
25
years
ago,
I
hired
a
young
man
named
G
Paul
Smith
as
a
patrol
officer,
and
he
didn't
at
the
time
do
anything
that
would
make
me
think
he
would.
G
Things
began
to
tape
as
he
gains
knowledge
of
the
job
and
experience
he
became
a
superstar
and
no
matter
what
job
he
had.
He
excelled
it,
and
it
just
gives
me
so
much
pleasure
to
see
that
he
is
able
stepped
into
this
job
in
the
best
Police
Department
of
the
country,
and
continued
to
move
it
forward.
Thank
you.
H
B
B
B
B
G
I
just
wanted
to
take
a
moment
to
express
my
appreciation
for
our
city
attorney
Susan
early
we've
got
an
opportunity
to
work
together
for
more
years
and
I
like
to
think
about
our
former
city
manager
believe
that
certain
parts
hitch
the
right
to
see
Gordon
students
rather
than
spend
the
money
for
an
attorney,
and
so
I
was
pressed
into
service
and
I
wrote
a
number
of
city
ordinances
and
fortunately,
I
had
a
backup.
I
would
get
to
a
certain
point.
I
would
say:
Susan
I
can't
do
any
more
I'm,
not
an
attorney.
E
I
Of
all
I
want
to
mention
that
I
attended
the
hands
across
the
sand
event
on
Saturday
and
Mayor.
Lengthen
was
there
as
well
as
as
well
as
some
of
the
other
mayor's
and
congressman
Rutherford
and
bill
Belton,
and
it
was.
It
was
a
great
event,
standing
in
support
or
actually
and
I
was
I
guess
to
seismic
blasting
offs
from
offshore
drilling,
and
so
it
was.
It
was
a
very
good
event.
Secondly,
and
I
wanted
to
say:
I
had
the
opportunity
to
participate
in
the
festival
of
chariots
on
Saturday
as
well
and
wow.
I
E
I
Want
to
mention
that
city
manager's
office
and
I
attended
a
meeting
on
last
Monday
with
councilman
Bill
delaford,
and
we
discussed
lemon
Road
I
know
the
city
council
members
got
a
letter
from
the
mayor's
office
that
the
City
of
Jacksonville
is
going
to
be
moving
forward
with
a
study
fork
in
the
road
to
improve
bicycle
pedestrian
safety
on
the
road.
In
the
meantime,
they've
also
committed
to
doing
three
flashing
pedestrian
crosswalks
on
in
the
road
there's
tentatively
proposed
at
4,000
North
8th
that
New
York
is
15th
annual.
I
They
also
want
to
do
some
special
emphasis
crosswalk
at
c8
Arden
and
18th
Avenue
North.
So
hopefully
all
those
things
will
more
immediate
improvements
that
will
help
to
improve
the
safety
for
pedestrians
that
are
trying
to
get
across
the
road
and
the
the
study
is
also
going
to
look
at
improving
the
corridors
to
the
beach
so
that
once
we
get
across
down,
the
road
will
have
safe
pathways
to
get
to
the
beach.
I
So
I'd
like
to
recognize
the
developer
he's
about
to
step
off,
but
Rory
diamond,
who
is
stepping
into
this
place,
wasn't
in
the
meeting
as
well.
So
he's
ready
to
take
the
torch
and
and
I'm
ready
for
us
to
see
him
and
Road
get
the
much-needed
improvements
that
it's
been
meeting
for
several
years,
but
we
want
to
thank
the
city
manager
for
being
here
on
Monday
and
helping
us
to
make
this
happen.
Thank
you,
ma'am.
Any
other.
B
Announcements
understand
Thursday
the
sauce
Walker
Center
had
a
congratulatory
buffets
I
set
up
for
Bill
Belford
as
well
and
I'm
sure
there's
going
to
be
a
lot
of
that
for
the
next
several
weeks.
Bill's
done
a
lot
for
our
community
he's
got
some
really
big
shoes.
So
what's
the
best
Ferrari
like
hard
work.
Okay,
we've
been
on
to
you
attend
item
1907
Peas.
D
At
the
last
council
briefing,
disciples
Grande's
requested
that
it
be
brought
back
to
further
discussion.
So
with
that
being
said,
that,
and
particularly
wanted,
make
sure
you
have.
The
discussion
in
the
city
attorney
was
impressive.
So
with
that
being
said,
it
is
here
before
you
tonight
as
a
discussion
topic.
There
is
no
motion.
I
think
that
the
council
I
expressed
my
thanks
for
the
city
attorney
and
that
alternately
before.
B
G
The
memorandum,
the
city
of
many
students,
early,
contains
information
concerning
what,
on
its
face,
raises
ethical
questions
about
the
actions
of
our
council
members.
However,
having
heard
only
one
side,
any
conclusions
on
that
draws
from
the
memo
would
be
speculative
and
potentially
unfair.
The
council
member
state
for
Commission
on
ethics
provides
the
process
for
investigating
questions
involving
standards
of
conduct
by
public
official
one
option
is
for
a
public
official
to
request
an
advisory
opinion
without
an
ethical
issue
facing
him
or
her.
G
The
advisory
opinion
offered
by
representative
of
ethics
committee
based
upon
information
provided
by
the
official
asking
the
question.
The
second
option
is
for
a
person
or
body
such
as
the
City
Council,
to
request
that
the
Ethics
Commission
conduct
a
formal
investigation
into
the
allegations,
as
detailed
in
city
attorney,
encourage
the
City
Council
to
choose
option
two
for
an
important
reason.
A
formal.
G
Ethics
Commission
to
gather
and
evaluate
information
from
the
city
attorney
and
others
of
insight,
and
remembering,
as
well
as
from
the
City
Council
member
itself.
Mr.
Vieau
Visayan
deserves
the
opportunity
to
resolve
the
concerns
raised
in
the
memorandum
from
the
city
attorney.
At
the
same
time,
the
citizens
of
this
community
need
to
have
confidence
that
our
elected
officials
are
acting
in
an
ethical
manner.
H
Am
in
total
agreement
with
the
city
attorney
Early's
opinion
that
the
language
of
section
30
calling
for
City
Council
members
with
two
misdemeanors
is
outdated
and
needs
clarity
and
revision
along
with
many
other
provisions.
As
she
says,
most
cities
have
more
direct
charter
language
prohibiting
council
members
for
interfering
with
the
most
respect.
H
H
Furthermore,
conflicting
employment
of
contractual
relationship,
a
no
public
officer
she'll
have
her
hold
in
the
employment
or
contractual
relationship
that
will
create
a
continuing
or
frequently
reoccurring,
continuity
between
his
and
her
private
interests
and
the
performance
of
his
public
duties,
murder
that
would
impede
the
full
and
faithful
discharge
of
his
or
her
public
duties
with
that
city.
This
is
the
second
time
we
have
been
faced
with
disruptions
in
operations,
the
first
time,
you've,
all
festivals
and
when
I
presented
the
example
during
our
ethics
presentation
in
such
st.
Augustine,
the
presiding
attorney
says
you.
H
Your
City
Council
is
on
a
slippery
slope
and
we
discussed
that
in
our
City
Council
meeting.
We
are
now
faced
with
a
much
more
serious
situation,
as
section
30
has
been
violated,
which
involves
private
interests
and
the
performance
of
public
Jews.
This
is
how
to
reach
not
a
reach,
but
potentially
a
serious
violation.
H
F
Hi
I'm
Don
Miguel
out
of
the
five
North
17th
Avenue
unit
401
here
in
Jacksonville
Beach
I,
had
sort
of
example
about
what
Bruce
talked
about
what
the
Ethics,
Commission
and
kind
of
clear
about
what
their
role
is.
In
this
sort
of
thing,
there
are
three
sort
instances
that
you're
going
to
interact
with
the
Ethics
Commission.
One
comes
from
your
complaint
complaint
and
the
answer
Commission
investigates
that
those
investigations
can
take
years
and.
F
That's
one
way
that,
as
an
elected
official,
remember
public,
you
interact
with
that
body.
The
second
is,
they
will
issue
a
written
opinion.
A
written
opinion
is
a
binding
appended
binding
to
the
elected
official
that
submitted
it.
You
can
open
those
written
opinions.
You
won't
be
an
issue
to
an
elected
official.
You
can
write
over
and
say
this
is
what's
going
on
model.
Is
your
opinion?
Don't
the
city
the
attorneys
over?
There
will
look
into
it,
then
that
goes
to
the
Commission
whoa,
and
then
that
vote
becomes
a
binding
opinion.
F
It
is
only
binding
to
that
elected
official
and
only
in
the
circumstances,
as
described.
If
there's
any
material
difference.
There's
any
variation
in
the
circumstance
about
the
pending
longer
becomes
finding
they've
only
hit
nine
of
those
opinions
of
2018.
They
don't
know
a
lot
of
those
hears.
They
don't
get
a
lot
of
requests.
Well,
the
most
likely
officials
to
do
is
they'll
pick
up
the
phone
and
call
that's
your
third
interaction
and
they'll
request
an
opinion.
Those
are
non-binding.
They
don't
really
mean
anything.
It
is
attorneys
over
there
just
giving
you
some
general
guidance
hey.
F
This
is
probably
a
good
idea,
or
this
is
not.
They
need
nothing,
because
it's
based
on
a
limited
phone
conversation
with
just
the
fax
has
been
to
invite
a
person
making
a
phone
call
I
think
that
needs
to
be
clear,
as
this
discussion
goes
on
and
as
you
look
at
what
you
want
to
do
with
the
Charter,
if
you
need
to
change,
you
know
not
only
are
their
limited
resources
from
the
Ethics
Commission,
but
they
can't
investigate
violations
of
a
city
charter.
They
can
only
investigate
violations
of
state
ethics.
F
I
think
that
both
of
these
circumstances,
when
this
rule
is
saying,
is
violated.
State
ethics,
I,
think
that
is
clear,
but
as
far
as
what
Susan
Early's
remember
was,
she
was
specifically
addressing
the
city
charter
that
does
not
fall
under
the
jurisdiction
of
the
Ethics
Commission.
So
you
need
that's
why
it's
important
to
put
something
in
place
in
the
city
charter
that
allows
you
all
to
address
this.
That's
why
it
matters
to
the
rest
point
beyond
that.
F
I
just
want
to
point
out
that
these
accusations
that
the
old
saying
he
also
likes
to
spend
them
as
a
political
witch
hunts.
They've
come
from
three
attorneys
two
police
officers
and
tonight
all
voting
on
a
new
police
chief
and
y'all
often
raise
the
prices.
How
much
I'll
support
the
police
department?
Now
squirt
police
officers-
you
don't
have
two
instances
for
two
different
police
officers
will
come
to
you
and
said
they
have
a
problem
and
both
incidents
went
further
and
I've
not
spoken
directly.
My
understanding
is,
then
there
was
very
retribution.
F
B
J
E
K
J
J
C
You,
sir
mr.
monk,
thank
you.
I
agree
with
what
he
said
that
has
to
be
cleaned
up.
We
don't
have
a
Municipal
Court,
but
I
would
also
like
to
know
a
process.
So
if
there
were
some
council
member
were
to
violate
any
of
the
each
other,
what
would
the
process
be
without
having
even
the
civil
courts
go
to
threaten?
We've
had
a
Municipal
Court.
Now
that
we
don't
have
any
municipal
court
act,
I,
don't
know
what
the
process
would
be
after
you
take.
What
do
you
want
to
take
notes
or
all
right?
C
So
what
would
be
the
process?
I
disagree
with
Keith
in
that
I
do
in
the
old
section
on
the
copy
that
we
have
in
the
old
section.
It's
kind
of
noted
that
council
should
not
be
interfering
with
administrative
service
and
that
would
be
city
employees.
So
that's
right.
We
disagree,
however,
I
could
understand
why
there'd
be
some
confusion
in
the
language
of
section.
30
is
a
total,
because
it's
titled
council
not
to
interfere
in
points
or
removals
where
it
should.
We
should
not
interfere
with
appointments
administration
or
removals.
So
I
think
that's
where
the
clack.
C
The
title
deals
would
get
first
section,
the
first
sentence,
the
second
sentence,
the
with
administration,
and
that's
just
not
the
title
of
the
section.
So
this
is
you
to
think
that
we
need
to
be
clarified
and
just
been
kind
of
touching
on
what
chief
Thompson
Thomasson
noted
was
the
in
this
charter.
We
also
have
to
know
council
members
will
come
what
happens
with
the
perception
of
impropriety.
E
C
B
B
It
appears
to
me
mr.
Vogelsang
has
demonstrated
at
least
the
appearance
of
a
conflict
of
interest
on
three
occasions,
one
being
the
vessels
that
we
addressed
a
couple
of
years
ago.
The
second
approaching
Jacksonville
Beach
police
officers
directly
to
request
changes,
do
reduce
now
Charlotte's
be
released
on
his
fine
and
also
by
dignity.
Jackson
will
be
firemen
as
clients
because
of
that
I
think
is
proven
for
us
before
city
attorneys
amendment
to
the
Ethics
Commission
for
their
opinion.
B
We
have
to
hold
ourselves
accountable
for
any
inappropriate,
behavior
or
conduct,
and
if
we
don't
do
it,
if
we
don't
take
any
action,
then
we're
basically
approving
this
revocable
signs
of
action
by
our
silence
and
we
are
equally
responsible
for
letting
the
constituents
down
if
we
send
the
memo
to
the
Ethics
Commission
and
have
no
conflict
and
mr.
Vogel
saying
I'll
be
vindicated
and
we
can
control
it
confidently.
If
there
is
a
conflict,
then
we
are
better
prepared
to
handle
them
in
the
future.
B
The
code
of
ethics
for
public
officers
and
employees
is
codified
in
chapter
112,
part
3
for
our
statutes.
It
says
in
part
that
it
is
essential
for
the
proper
conduct
of
the
operation
of
government,
the
public
officials
be
independent
and
impartial,
and
that
public
office
not
be
used
for
private
gain
or
any
other
than
the
ruining
renumeration
provided
by
law.
The
public
interest
therefore
requires
that
the
law
protect
against
any
conflict
of
interest
and
establishment
standards
with
standing
for
the
conduct
poised
in
situations
where
compliment
may
exist.
F
C
Processes
here
we're
looking
at
a
violation
of
state
law
in
the
looking
at
violation
of
city
charter,
so
we're
looking
at
with
the
Ethics
Commission
getting
into
pinyon
on
state
law,
which
is
something
totally
different
than
what
the
original
memo
was
about,
which
is
the
city
charter.
So,
regardless
of
what
we
decide
on
this,
what
is
the
other
option
with
city
charter,
the.
L
L
C
I
have
the
the
so
when
you're
saying
that
this
council's
responsibility
to
agree
with
that,
but
would
would
be
held
like
as
a
separate
meeting
as
a
trial
like
what
would
be
the
I
don't
want
to
get
what
the
process
would
be.
But
it's
just
be
an
agenda
item
on
a
regular,
City
Council
meeting.
Would
we
have
a
chance
to
act
if
we're
acting
as
a
legal
body,
because
we're
going
to
be
interpreting
the
city
charter?
Would
we
be
hearing
from
those
who
said
who
have
interacted
with
the
officers.
E
L
Any
action
you
would
take
today
would
be
taken
pursuant
to
your
administrative
ability
as
councilmember.
This
is
not
a
legislative
act,
it's
not
a
place.
I
conditional
act,
it's
an
administrative
act.
So
if
you're
concerned
about
due
process,
I
understand
that
mr.
Bogle
saying
read
his
statement.
The
last
briefing
that
would
technically
meet
the
process
that
is
due,
but
if
you
would
like
to
give
him
more
process,
that's
within
your
purview
as
well.
L
E
L
L
Language
with
the
misdemeanor
I
found
one
where
the
process
called
for
having
a
complaint
that
council
voted
as
a
violation
and
then
referring
it
to
the
state
attorney
which,
in
my
opinion,
is
a
poor
idea,
because
I
don't
think
the
state
attorney
needs
to
be
involved
in
this.
This
is
your
counsel.
You,
as
a
counsel,
set
the
rules
for
yourself,
so
as
as,
as
far
as
remedy
and
our
Charter
section
30
you
all
can
set
that
remedy.
You
can
do
it
by
charter
revision.
You
can
do
it
by
an
ordinance.
E
C
M
Listen,
we
had
regular
jobs
than
I
heard
when
we
joked
about
this.
In
our
last
briefing,
the
$900
or
so
a
month
that
we
get
for
this
job.
We
don't
do
it
for
the
money.
We
do
it
for
the
city
and
to
live
in
a
better
community.
So
we
all
have
jobs.
We
all
interact
with
city
employees
in
most
of
our
professions
up
here,
because
that's
what
we
do
collectively
and
I
would
be
happy
in,
for
instance,
just
because
mr.
mayor,
you
work
for
waste
management,
you
meet
regularly
with
city
staff
in
Jacksonville.
M
Regarding
your
the
corporation
that
you
work
for
everybody
knows
you're
the
mayor
of
Jacksonville
Beach.
That
doesn't
mean
the
pressure
in
anybody
decisions
or
anything
like
that.
So
general,
especially
with
city
employees,
is
something
that
we
do
on
a
regular
basis
within
collectively
with
our
important,
so
the
allegation
there
was
never
now
addition
made
by
this
employee
that
I
threatened
him,
because
that
there
wasn't
any
pressure.
Chief
Dooley
I
spoke
with
chief
Dooley
about
this
incident.
M
He
articulated
that
there
was
never
any
pressure
getting
discipline
so
that
that's
where
the
I
think
some
clarification
and
we
as
accountants,
don't
think
that
we
shouldn't
have
communications
with
city
employees
and
they
should
just
go
through
mr.
su
populace
I'm
happy
for
that
direction,
but
in
this
particular
circumstance,
I
think
there
was
nothing
out
of
bounds.
Based
on
my
what
my
private
discussions
were
like
this
individual
just
like
and
I'll,
take
it
a
step
further
mr.
Lake
know,
for
instance,
waste
management's
about
the
buyout
Advanced
Disposal.
E
M
Think
that
that
rises
to
the
level
of
you
not
needing
to
to
be
mayor
anymore,
because
you
have
a
private
occupation
that
that
pays
the
bills.
It
doesn't
take
away
your
ability,
you
know,
I'm
saying
so.
That's
where
you
you
weigh
in
and
you
make
sure
that
there's
no
impropriety
in
your
discussions
and
that's
when
I
took
personally
and
I
had
that,
and
it
was
never
an
allegation
by
this
individual
that
I
have
acted
improperly
with
him
or
pressured
him
to
do
anything.
M
M
I
B
Too
I
just
like
to
say
that
when
I
first
was
hired
by
them
before
I
was
alcohol.
The
Ethics
Commission
explained
what
the
job
responsibilities
would
be.
He
got
the
verbal
okay
and
then
shortly
after
that,
I
was
asked
by
the
company
to
register,
as
lobbyists
I
asked
Toby
Ethics
Commission
in
writing
for
a
formal
response,
and
so
I
mean
that's.
What
I
have
I
have
a
formal
response
from
the
Ethics
Commission
saying
that
I
am
authorized
and
it's
not
a
violation
or
a
conflict
of
interest
for
me
to
work
with
the
city
of
Jackson.
B
I
think
you
know
mr.
Vogel
signed
on
all
due
respect.
I'm,
not
asking
me
to
be
punished.
I'm,
not
asking
me
to
get
biased
or
century
I'm
asking
that,
for
the
sake
of
transparency
and
for
the
sake
of
making
sure
that
we're
on
the
same
page
of
the
public
believes
that
we're
watching
ourselves
to
make
sure
that
we're
following
rules
that
we
requested
formation
I
think
not
35.
A
complaint
is
individuals
on
my
understanding,
as
we
have
to
follow.
L
L
Official
to
further
your
private
business
interest,
because
I
believe
mr.
volgas
sang
was
acting
in
the
capacity
as
a
private
attorney
representing
the
man
who
committed
the
disturbance
in
our
city
was
drawn.
It
took
four
of
our
officers
to
subdue
him
and
get
him
under
control
and
his
client
punched
one
of
our
officers
and
for
a
member
of
this
council
to
reach
out
to
that
officer
and
asked
him
about
the
discipline
that
a
court
would
impose
whether
the
officer
feels
that
he
was
pressured.
That
is
a
pressuring
I.
L
J
J
J
J
L
The
Ethics
Commission
is
given
the
facts
by
mr.
Vogelsang
facts
as
I
play
the
amount
different
and
the
Florida
Bar
doesn't
address
this
issue
at
all
Florida
art
therapy,
whether
mr.
Vogelsang
had
a
conflict
in
representing
two
firefighters
who
diluted
a
crime
and
they
were
together
during
that
crime,
and
that
would
be
what
they
would
look
at.
They
don't
look
at
this
duty
as
a
public
official
or
as
the
city
councilman
I'm,.
J
J
E
J
Think
it's
such
a
small
time
it's
hard
to
avoid
people
working
from
setting
something,
what
a
target,
what
people
whose
land
in
every
city,
I
think
well
had
tried
to
ban
the
rills
or
break
the
rules
to
man
for
themself.
I
can
see
this
I
just
don't,
since
the
cases
are
done.
There's
no
prime
minister,
there
I
just
don't
see
why.
J
L
J
L
C
Thank
you.
I
would
like
to
amend
the
motion
to
change
it
from
an
investigation
into
a
complaint,
and
the
reason
why
I'm
doing
that
is
this
really
does
need
to
be
looked
at
and
investigated
and
Bill
should
have
a
chance
to
have
his
name
cleared.
So
there's
no
more
gist
question
within
the
community.
It
was
just
a
opinion.
One.
C
A
M
B
E
E
E
C
E
C
I
was
like
and
I
would
I'd
like
us
to
direct
the
city
attorney
to
refi,
section,
32,
more
clarity
city,
as
well
as
putting
together
in
policy
or
accordance
where
city
employees
do
not
see.
Employees
are
not
engaged
in
certain
actions
with
City
Council
members,
and
that
doesn't
mean
you
can't
talk
to
them
and
say
hi
and
like
intruders
such
but
when
it
comes
to
your
business,
engaging
them
and
I
like,
for
instance,
I
thought.
C
C
C
B
D
Of
the
things
that
was
brought
up
was
the
position
that
was
the
city
manager
and
we
all
have
contact
with
the
staff,
and
one
of
the
things
that
I
would
strongly
suggest
to.
You
is
that
we
have
a
briefing
coming
up.
That
is
reserved
specifically
for
the
council
about
Council
items,
I
believe
the
date
you
hear,
that
is
June
17th.
D
What
I'd
like
for
the
council
to
consider
going
into
that
briefing
again,
the
topics
will
be
yours
to
discuss
is
what
the
appropriate
code
of
conduct
is
for
the
council
members
No
with
regards
to
interacting
with
city
staff,
as
as
several
pointed
out
here,
not
only
as
a
small
community,
but
you
are
also
involved
in
local
business
activities,
and
sometimes
those
business
activities
have
interactions
with
city
staff.
Sometimes
the
city
staff
were
patrons,
sometimes
the
city
staff
may
be
clients.
D
Sometimes
they
may
be
partners
that
you
work
at
based
on
the
business
that
you
can
there's.
Also
a
reference
temperatures
make
the
volunteerism.
Well,
someone
is
appointed
to
the
board.
That
should
also
be
a
conversation
as
to
whether
that's
still
appropriate
once
you
are
sitting
on
this
dice.
So
I'd
like
you
to
think
long
and
hard
on.
You
know
that
everything
about
whether
that's
the
appropriate
venue
to
have
a
conversation
about
what
the
standards
should
be
going
forward.
D
They
do
you
100%
of
the
time
as
being
the
councilmember
who
sits
on
this
Dyess,
who
makes
decisions
with
regards
to
the
budgets,
changes
in
the
pay
plan,
stratifications
of
contracts
etc,
and
so
it
does
raise
a
concern
for
me
with
regards
to
what
the
interaction
is
as
other
members
going
forward
and
regardless
of
what
happens
on
this
particular
issue,
and
it
doesn't
need
some
extreme
clarity
going
forward.
I
said.
B
D
D
And
the
other,
actually
the
RFP
document
if
we
were
to
hire
them
and
represent
us
with
city
of
any
services.
Probably
the
most
representative
information
that
you
have
is
the
salaries
entertainers
comparison
or
local
communities
that
are
around
us.
So
you
can
see
everybody
there
for
their
salaries
of
permanent
in-house
city
attorneys
versus
their
retainer
and
how
early
building
structures
forward.
D
What
that
means
that
it
would
still
be
my
recommendation
that
we
pursue
the
hiring
of
a
full-time
in
the
house
city
attorney
over
the
first
90
days
of
working
with
the
staff
I
think
it's
safe
to
say
that
they
have
a
need
on
a
regular
daily
basis
for
interaction
with
a
city
attorney
specifically
to
get
guidance
on
interpretation
of
contracts,
drafting
the
ordinances
drafting
the
resolutions,
in
some
cases,
just
working
out
with
some
of
the
tractor
with
vendors
that
we're
dealing
with
on
a
regular
basis.
With
that
being
said,.
A
The
direction
that
you'd
like
to
go
because
you're,
you
and
your
staff
we're
going
to
be
having
the
most
direct
contact
it
done,
but
from
everything
I've
heard,
just
talking
to
their
passion
and
current
city
attorneys
and
just
attorneys
active
in
our
market.
It's
very
tight
labor
market
right
now
to
find
somebody
who's
willing
to
do
this
level
of
work
or
the
pay
that
we'd
be
able
to
pay
them
and
then
still
then,
having
to
farm
out
a
lot
of
specialty
work.
A
C
Great
miss
Hoffman
that
I
think
we
go
with
the
recommendation
of
staff.
We
have
seen
it
was
at
our
last
meeting.
What
happens
when
we
don't
have
in
staff
council,
they
didn't
know
about
a
change
to
assign
or
and
then
they're
getting
pushed
off
and
that
hurts
the
business.
So
we
need
to
have
in
staff
council
to
make
sure
that
any
entity
doing
business
with
the
city
and
how
their
their
applications
and
contracts
and
such
move
forward
in
an
expedient
manner.
Thank
you.
E
A
M
B
D
J
E
E
A
D
Works
Department,
along
with
Beach's
energy,
is
moving
steps
closer
to
ultimately
going
to
an
asset
management
system
and
control
of
all
our
infrastructure.
One
of
the
things
they
need
to
do
is
make
enhancements
to
become
a
GIS
system
that
we're
using
in
order
to
better
prepare
us
well
to
allow
them
to
asset
management.
Here
to
speak
to
that
is
Department,
k1,
kill,
warrant,
engineer.
F
Basic
valve
sizes,
different
things
like
that,
but
not
a
lot
of
information
like
high
materials
2017-2018
as
part
of
the
power
engineering
work
with
Regis
energy
to
do
a
much
larger
conversion
and
data
management
project
would
beaches
energy
of
the
tact
on
a
little
bit
of
work
for
the
public
works
department
to
update
the
geo
database
a
little
bit,
which
is
what
maintains
it
holds
the
inventory
of
water
sewer
work.
But
there
wasn't
a
lot
of
attribution
spatially.
F
F
Don't
do
that.
We
just
want
to
make
sure
we
have
everything
set
up
in
the
format
that
you
think
would
work
best
and
we're
fortunate
one
of
our
engineering.
Consulting
firms
has
extensive
experience,
working
with
public
utilities,
water
to
utilities,
don't
work
and
public
works
departments
with
an
asset
management.
Gi
have
this
type
of
work,
so
we
were
able
to
utilize
them
to
get
a
little
bit
of
this
work
done
in
advance.
So
this
has
worked
at
make
it
kind
of
really
leap,
far
ahead,
as
we
start
doing
more
work
in
house
like
this.
F
Just
to
make
it
a
little
bit
cooler,
this
is
an
example
of
what
we're
looking
at
now.
This
one
of
the
examples
of
our
waters
are
really
basic
now
and
moving
forward.
We
want
to
do
a
lot
more
with
it
and
get
a
lot
better
data,
so
you
know
we
want
to
have
a
lot
more
information,
more
detail,
be
able
to
make
better
maps,
and
what
that
does
for
a
lot
of
people
is.
It
looks
our
maintenance
people
be
more
efficient,
faster
out
of
the
field.
F
We
know
where
things
are
when
people
are
doing
projects
and
digging,
we
can
tell
them
where
the
pipes
are
and
avoid.
You
know
unexpected
breaks
things
like
that's
a
lot
of
benefits
that
also
tracking
cost
of
all
over
or
if
it
is
destruction.
So
what
we're
going
to
get
out
of
this
is
kind
of
the
backbone.
This
is
just
a
lot
of
water
sausage
making,
but
it's
going
to
set
us
up
to
do
a
lot
more
stuff
for
the
solution.
F
$48,000
a
little
back
for
this
and
we're
taking
out
how
the
enterprise
funds
one
in
stewards
for
enterprise
funds
splitting
at
a
majority
of
our
infrastructure,
is
in
those
those
departments.
So
it's
really
consistent
with
will
be
adjusting
advising
we
are
putting
you'll
see.
You
know
the
future
budget
request.
We
are
putting
a
little
bit
of
money
in
our
operating
budget
for
some
additional
guys
moving
forward.
We
just
wanted
to
really
get.
C
B
A
B
D
D
Instead
of
going
out
in
tandem
with
an
engine,
we
did
receive
City
of
Jacksonville
the
green
light
on
the
language
that
you
see
in
front
of
you
tonight
into
the
agreement.
City
of
Jacksonville
administration
is
comfortable
with
that
language.
As
you
see,
it.
Second
is
with
regards
to
the
issue
of
the
standalone
rescue,
where
they
were
not
amenable
to
a
lot
of
the
recipe
to
be
individually
dispatch.
D
D
Modifications
that
have
been
made
in
the
language,
one
of
the
things
that
we
also
provided
you
with-
were
three
new
slides,
which
we
would
like
to
show
you
tonight
only
because
there
were
a
lot
of
statements
that
the
last
workshop
with
regards
to
what
does
they
say?
Things
versus
not
savings,
I
think
there's
two
different
ways
that
savings
viewed,
one
is
in
comparison
to
who's,
providing
the
service,
who
is
doing
it
less
expensive
than
the
other,
and
then
the
other
is
with
regards
to
our
baseline
budgeting.
D
What
we
already
have
in
our
proposed
budget
for
fiscal
year
2020.
So
what
we
wanted
to
do
was
just
walking
through
this
three
slide.
So
you
can
see
what
the
numbers
of
the
differentials
are
with
regards
to
what
what
we're
proposing
to
expend
in
fiscal
year
2020
and
beyond.
So
this
first
chart
is
basically
a
comparison
of
our
current
operation,
which
is
that
second
column,
the
current
budgetary
projections
carried
out
for
2020
2021
under
our
car
travel.
D
The
second
table.
That
Michelle
is
if
we
were
to
reduce
our
staffing
in
order
to
match
the
proposal
that
was
put
forward
by
the
City
of
Jacksonville
in
Jacksonville
fire
rescue.
So
what
we
would
do
is
again
that
second
column
of
the
current
budgetary
projections
actually
would
drop
down
with
the
reduce
of
staffing
for
a
savings
of
three
hundred
and
forty
thousand
dollars,
but
again
the
budgetary
impact
over
on
the
side.
The
far
right
column
is
with
regards
to
Jacksonville's
proposal
in
comparison
to
our
budgeting
for
twenty
two.
D
So,
even
though
we
would
save
three
hundred
and
forty
thousand
a
year,
it
would
still
not
be
as
much
as
if
we
were
to
contract
out
for
the
same
service.
So
you
can
do
the
math
with
regard
to
the
differentials,
but
by
the
time
you
are
out
to
2022
there's
about
a
million
dollar
differential
per
year
between
doing
it
in-house
and
contracting
deserts.
D
If
you
remember
of
the
works
of
the
workshop,
we
had
their
cost
was
a
little
over
one
point:
four
million
dollars
to
have
a
full
cost
engine
into
the
mix,
so
their
number
would
come
in
at
five
point:
one:
six
million,
with
the
cost
that
we
would
still
need
to
bear
in
house
as
part
of
the
contracting
for
a
budgetary
impact
of
plus
five
eighty.
So
there
is
a
savings
of
the
contractor
out.
Both
of
these
options
under
this,
under
this
particular
scenario,
would
be
increases
from
current
proposed
budget
that
we
have
for
fiscal
year.
D
2020.
So
I
want
to
make
sure
that
everyone
was
aware
that,
when
we
talked
about
up
to
three
in
particular
of
having
three
apparatus
on
the
road
and
staffing
them
to
those
NFPA
standards,
regardless
of
whether
it's
in-house
or
contractual,
it
would
increase
over
the
costs
that
were
currently
integrating
today
and
it's
by
a
matter
of
the
differential
scale.
Their
in-house
versus
contracting.
So
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
what
was
a
savings
versus
what
was
a
reduction
that
expenditure
base
option.
Three
requests.
B
Before
we
begin
I'd
like
to
remind
everybody,
this
is
the
equivalent
of
a
court
and
it's
my
responsibility
to
maintain
decorum
here
so
I
know.
This
is
a
very
emotional
issue
for
both
sides
and
I'm
asking
you
please.
Let's
just
give
respect
that
everybody,
that's
speaking
no
clapping
and
shouting
yeah.
B
K
City
council
tax
will
be
next
I'll
bills
at
175,
Peter,
Isaac
Drive,
the
firefighter
engineer
here
taxable
each
I
met
with
my
wife
in
Jacksonville
Beach
now
family
residing
here,
which
speaks
to
what
this
city
needs
to
me.
Jacksonville
Beach,
Fire
Department,
the
firefighters
I
work
with
have
become
my
second
family
for
over
the
past
year
of
negotiations,
I've
listed
the
dollar
figures,
referring
the
long-term
potential
savings
issues
over
public
opinion,
who
don't
seem
to
understand
the
impact
of
what
being
a
firefighter
in
this
community
entails.
K
I've
heard
right
from
misinformed
individuals
set
in
their
ways
and
local
newspapers
that
have
decided
to
publish
opinions
rather
than
facts.
All
the
generate
hysteria
convolutions.
Prolonging
the
completion
of
this
merger
of
the
past
year,
has
hindered
morale,
creating
a
rift
in
the
department
and
sacrificed
proper
staffing.
It
goes
without
saying
that
firefighters
are
exposed
to
carcinogens
lead
to
higher
potential
for
developing
some
forms
of
cancer
during
and
after
their
career
the
truth
that
resonates
so
strongly
in
this
department,
not
the
untimely
loss
of
the
captain.
K
All
too
soon
maintaining
clean
air
is
essential
and
arguably
too
easy
way
to
lower
the
Chancellor,
arduous
battle
with
cancer.
Currently,
all
personnel
have
only
one
set
of
gear.
You
need
to
go
to
their
local
Jacksonville
fire
department
to
properly
sanitize
it,
since
we
don't
have
any
structure
ourselves.
Budgeting
for
extract
are
just
one
of
the
large
necessities
have
been
put
on
hold
due
to
this
impending
merger.
K
Despite
its
importance,
the
real
reason
I'm
speaking
here
before
you
prepare
you
for
a
dad
with
no
JD
FG
firefighter
has
to
face
imagine
a
long
braid
each
other's
office
signaling
a
fully
involved,
structure,
fire
or
high-rise.
This
is
seven
on-duty
combat
personnel,
conventional
Beach,
Fire
Department
responded
with
structure
fire,
the
onerous
coded
manpower
abilities.
We
have
a
duty
to
force
entry
and
fight
a
fire
over
no
Maps
work,
surrounded
by
men's
heat,
zero
visibility,
an
unknown
residential
or
structural
floorplan.
K
We
move
forward
for
some
reason
beyond
our
control
of
structure,
collapses,
I
find
myself
trapped
under
it
being
far
beyond
my
ability
to
live.
I
have
now
relying
on
6,
jb,
FG
firefighters,
to
locate,
extricate
and
drag
my
body.
While
we
wait
for
jacksonville
mutual
aid
to
arrive
to
arrive
on
scene
after
receiving
a
delayed
response
for
a
point
of
reference,
I
would
just
under
300
pounds
of
full
gear.
K
According
to
a
study
posted
on
firehouse
calm,
which
is
our
local
forum
for
firefighters,
it
took
an
average
of
eight
to
nine
minutes
for
a
Rapid
Intervention
Team
to
reach
a
downed
firefighter.
It's
looking
to
happen
to
22
minutes
to
find
packaged
and
secure
an
alternative
air
supply.
It
took
an
average
of
12
firefighters,
dressed
with
one
down
firefighter
the
manpower
abilities
training
facility
and
were
dependable
equipment.
Jackson
elaborating,
unified
command
would
make
a
difference
to
prevent
wheezing
lifeless
citizen
firefighter
brother
or
firefighter
sister.
K
Every
year,
I've
got
a
sheet
of
paper
and
people
to
be
notified
in
the
event
of
my
line
of
duty
death,
could
you
tell
a
husband,
wife
or
child
that
they
will
never
feel
their
loved
ones
and
race
again?
Poor,
dear
I
love
you
from
the
first
responder
who
add
to
the
courage
of
dollar
over
an
impairment.
You
can
strain
the
two
for
the
City
Council
members
who
choose
to
vote.
No
for
the
citizens
who
choose
to
oppose
this
merger.
You
will
show
that
control
and
a
perception
of
our
hometown
tracks.
G
G
G
She
call
savings
to
be
the
only
criteria
for
giving
away
our
iPhone
absolutely
not
giving
away
our
economy
as
a
city
starts
with
such
decision.
If
we're
resident
a
business
owners
dissatisfied
with
the
service
provided,
the
Jacksonville
is
in
charge.
Even
she
will
no
longer
have
that
local
connection
to
express
a
concern.
They
go
straight
to
the
firehouse.
We
talked
to
the
fire
chief
or
after
more
farming
tonight
or
they
can
go
to
the
city
magical,
so
they
can
appear
here
and
express
their
concerns.
G
Decision
will
be
made
in
Jacksonville
by
officials
that
have
limited
knowledge
of
our
city
and
our
needs.
If
you
give
away
the
fire
department
today
with
no
financial
crisis,
placing
the
city
of
our
other
measurable,
valid
criteria
for
doing
so,
which
Department
will
be
next,
how
long
they're
before
we
become
simply
another
neighborhood
of
Jacksonville,
we
have
a
fire
department
that
provides
outstanding
customer
service
to
our
community
and
they
don't
you
Jacksonville
Beach
is
just
another
fire
district
that
has
to
be
covered.
G
G
K
Jennifer
Ehle
14-10,
Pilot,
Road,
Expo
Beach
not
been
resident
here
since
1976
half
the
loads,
you
learn,
Earth
and
electricity
was
electric.
Since
then,
our
electrical
partner
is
one
of
the
best
in
the
state.
Our
water
sewer
has
continued
and
prove
we've
actually
taken
a
golf
course
and
we're
municipalities
were
actually
close
to
them.
He
decided,
then
you
made
it
a
very
successful
enterprise
but
I'm
suggesting
to
you
is
the
fact
that
this
is
one
other
thing
that
we
need
to
keep
in
house
on
a
fire
department.
K
There
is
definitely
some
problems,
but
all
these
departments
all
these
problems
that
come
up.
If
you
have
the
student
City
Council
solve
them,
you
found
a
way
of
doing
it
and
this
time
that's
what
I'm
asking
you
to
do.
Yes
to
try
to
solve
it
in
house
first,
because
once
you
lose
once
you
give
up
give
up
this
fire
department,
you
won't
be
able
to
forward
to
bring
it
back
into
the
into
the
fold
again.
K
The
sanitary
system.
Jacksonville
is
a
monster
city,
they
have
monster
responsibilities,
they
say
well,
no
blood,
large
cities
in
the
United
States
they've,
spread
way
too
thin
to
provide
the
tech
services
that
we
impart
that
we
get
here
and
we're
going
to
to
expect
also
are
just
look
at
our
tax
bases.
People
this
area
for
these
services
and
I
believe
that
if
we
can
do
this
better
in-house
than
department
now
so
I
would
hope
that
you
try
to
keep
in
the
house,
fix
it
and
make
everybody
hold
it,
firefighters
and
the
citizens.
Thank
you.
K
We
can
grieve
the
department
come
up
with
the
million
boxes.
We
have
164
million
dollar
budget.
We
come
up
with
the
million
dollars,
maybe
even
more
to
help
them
out.
We
should
I
this
isn't
my
first
rodeo
I
think
that
three
of
you
all
I'm
gonna,
call
the
shot.
I.
Think
three
of
you
all
are
going
to
oppose
this
and
I.
Think
you,
the
three
or
four
are
going
to
support
this,
and
it's
going
to
get
supported.
K
I
think
you're,
going
to
use
the
the
the
the
issue
of
saving
and,
as
Bruce
pointed
out
this,
this
is
an
about.
I
mean
this
is
for
the
citizens
and
saying
this
is
a
save
existence,
1
million
out
of
a
hundred
million
and
I'm
paged
well
Mike
and
his
staff
put
together
where
we
can
get
money
to
improve
the
fire
department.
We
should
do
that.
So
you
know
for
years
that
we
we've
been
fiscally
responsible.
K
So
let's
not
tell
the
citizens
that
we
need
to
to
farm
this
off
to
jacksonville
city
because
of
some
kind
of
money-saving
issue.
We
are
not
in
the
red
and
we're
going
to
be
debt-free
next
year
and
I
must
say
it
again
to
say
that
we're
debt-free
21,
but
we're
going
to
be
without
a
fire
department.
It's
just
the
wrong
thing
to
do.
The
right
thing
to
do
is
to
help
our
fire
department
and
to
give
them
a
better
lifestyle
for
them
with
their
families.
K
You've
heard
so
many
of
them
and
I'm
not
really
sure
why
we
have
responded
in
the
past
years
and
we've
got
to
this
point.
Okay,
but
I
also
want
to
say
that
there
is
nothing
that
indicates
the
citizens
but
issue,
and
that's
why
I
know
there's
going
to
be
three
people
up
there
at
least
three
that
are
going
to
oppose
this,
because
they
have
that
as
well,
so
help
Department
out
help
the
citizens
out
and
let's
keep
the
fire
department
here
in
that
region
where
it
belongs.
Thank
you.
K
L
L
That
we
would
have
other
concerns
are
that
we
would
supposedly
say
20
15
million
over
ten
year
period,
but
if
we
ask
Jacksonville
for
the
same
amount
of
services
that
we're
getting
now,
that
would
probably
eat
up
the
savings
that
we
would
have.
We
asked
for
more
services.
Another
concern
is
the
special
events
and
emergency
response
and
have
responses
that
they
be
able
to
be
our
own
fire
fire
mysteries,
very
supportive
of
our
festivals
and
knowledge
economy.
Out
here
enough.
L
L
Major
expense
for
us
to
start
a
new
fire
department
by
equipment
starting
all
over
again
and
granted.
We
would
have
a
building
supposedly,
but
that's
just
a
small
piece
of
the
puzzle.
We
have
to
start
all
over
again
with
our
art
department
and
I've
heard
a
lot
of
citizen
inputs.
This
whole
thing
started
and
overwhelmingly
the
citizen
input
has
been
that
we
want
to
keep
rolling
fire
departments.
We
want
to
remain
autonomous
with
our
fire
department.
We
like
a
fire
department,
and
a
lot
of
this
can
be
evidenced
by
the
people
out
here
today.
L
You
know
my
time
of
city
council
office,
a
fiscal
conservative,
and
but
it
wanted
to
save
the
city
money
in
every
place.
We
could,
but
in
this
case
I'm
not
sure
that
we
are
actually
saving
money.
I
think
that
keeping
the
fire
department
and
our
control
would
be
well
worth
the
extra
money
if
there
is
extra
money
required.
So
I
am
opposed
to
the
thank
you.
L
E
Straight
south
I'm,
an
Indian
beach
I,
just
worked
in
here
about
a
year
ago,
I
retired,
to
the
beach
consistent
place.
I
wanted
to
be
well
I,
look
to
the
public
I
wasn't
it
is
a
community
within
a
community,
and
it
was
wonderful
I
believe
that
we
need
to
get
our
fire
department
in
shape
because
we
depend
on
it
constantly
I.
L
E
A
desk
and
I
know
about
I
call
them
three
or
four
times
a
week,
and
they
are
wonderful
and
I
am
surprised,
they're,
the
way
they
behave
and
the
way
to
carry
themselves
with
a
lovely
carrying
it's
amazing,
I
admire
them
greatly.
I
feel
like
what
we
need
to
do
is
fix
the
department
given
the
vehicles,
given
a
manpower
support
them.
Let
them
be
proud,
they
are
proud
people.
The
tapestry
of
this
of
this
community
is
made
by
the
fire
department
and
the
police
officers,
because
they
are
first
responders.
We
keep
in
on
them
constantly.
E
So
I.
Think
of
you.
Think
of
that
think
of
not
that
that
was
sunny,
but
how
we
interact
with
them
and
how
wonderful
they
are
and
it'll
be
ashamed,
either
way
because
first
it'll
be
them,
and
then
what
else
this
community
Paulo
Towers
is
vibrant.
They
have
been
involved
with
everything
and
they
still
are
so
we
are
and
I
wish.
H
H
H
We've
had
the
best
protection
you
could
ever
ask
for
here
at
the
city
of
Jackson.
Each
and
you've
been
hearing
that
from
everybody
that's
been
up
there
speaking
and
in
addition
to
that,
it
was
not
surprising
to
me
that
the
you
know
the
University
of
North
Florida
poll
shows
Jax
beach,
resinous
favor
a
referendum
on
the
fire
department.
I
said
61%
said
they
do
26%
over
13%,
don't
know
from
the
beginning.
This
is
just
too
big
an
issue
to
cover
tonight.
H
B
B
B
B
B
M
B
In
1968
and
consolidated
agreement
was
signed
between
City
of
Jacksonville,
Jacksonville,
Beach,
Atlantic,
Beach,
Neptune
beats
and
Baltimore.
It
was
agreed
that
these
two
municipalities
would
become
incorporated,
incorporated
cities
in
the
City
of
Jacksonville
acted
as
our
County
in
1990
42.
The
cities
negotiated
new
interlocal
agreements
with
Duval
County.
Since
these
four,
the
city's
negotiated
their
respective
agreements
independently,
they
were
tailored
for
their
in
the
individual
city.
B
Jackson
will
be
retained,
our
fire
department
to
end
landing
beaches
and
that
two
movies
did
not
Jacksonville
Beach
as
a
part
of
our
new
local
agreement
negotiated
a
waiver
of
all
solid
waste,
tipping
fees,
the
Jacksonville
Strawbridge
landfill
and
the
perpetuity
and
I'll
dress
this
more
a
little
bit
later
during
one
of
our
council
meetings.
Do
not
say
that
this
is
an
HR
issue.
I
couldn't
I
couldn't
agree
more.
There
are
some
decks
Beach
Fire
Department
members
who
have
decided
they'd
rather
work
with
the
City
of
Jacksonville.
B
Some
claim
is
to
provide
to
who
some
claimant
is
to
provide
more
opportunity
for
advancement
some
say:
they'll
receive
higher
wages
or
say
that
we'll
be
working
to
are
working
too
much
overtime
and
watch
spend
more
time
with
their
families.
I'd
like
to
address
these
issues,
one
at
a
time,
opportunities
for
advancement,
nothing
has
changed
since
these
of
our
fire
department,
employees,
staff
joined
our
city
teams,
promotions
are
more
readily
available
and
positions
are
available;
in
other
words,
large
departments
have
more
supervisors
and
hence
more
opportunity
for
advancement
through
turnover.
B
This
is
the
fact-
and
it's
true
now
this
is
it-
was
what
each
member
of
our
department
join
the
team
higher
wages,
the
City
of
Jacksonville
Beach
has
compared
our
current
wages
to
neighboring
cities
of
similar
demographics,
including
st.
Augustine
Fernandina
Beach,
and
that
our
wages
to
be
comparable
to
these
cities,
in
some
cases
pretty
close
to
average
over
time
again.
B
This
is
one
of
the
factors
you
accept
when
you
join
a
smaller
apartment
over
a
larger
department,
several
members
and
their
family
as
passionately
stated
how
hard
it
is
on
their
families
and
beyond
dude
for
72
hours.
There
are
hundreds,
if
not
thousands,
of
Armed
Forces
active
duty
and
veterans
in
Jacksonville
Beach,
your
regular
was
spent
or
did
spend
eight
to
ten
most
a
year
at
sea,
away
from
their
families.
They
work
seven
days
a
week,
18
to
22
hours
a
day.
B
They
can
invite
their
families
to
work
for
dinner,
because
they're
thousands
of
miles
away
from
home,
often
in
hospital
dangerous
territory.
Speaking
for
myself,
when
I
was
an
ensign
in
1982,
I
make
$29
with
70
cents
that
they,
while
spending
10
months
a
year
at
sea
and
back
then
we
had
a
saying
it
was
choose.
Your
rate
choose
your
fate.
What
that
means
is,
if
you
want
to
go
home
every
night
join
the
military.
B
If
you
want
to
make
more
money
by
the
table,
pays
more
money
when
I
began
sort
of
the
consider
this
merger,
the
very
first
question
I
ask
myself
is:
what
problem
are
we
trying
to
solve?
I'm
still
asking
that
question
today
much
has
been
discussed
about
the
money.
The
Jacksonville
Beach
will
say.
A
savings
of
fifteen
million
dollars
over
ten
years
has
been
estimated.
First
office
has
been
mentioned
several
times
tonight
will
be
a
debt-free
City
November
of
next
year,
so
we're
not
hurting
for
money.
B
B
Based
on
our
current
line,
also
I
expect
that
that
City
of
Jacksonville
will
also
experience
additional
pressure
to
collect
additional
revenue
from
us.
When
our
colleagues
in
Atlantic
Beach
sniffing
beets
and
Baldwin
approached
Jacksonville
asking
for
some
more
savings,
we
are
a
beautiful,
thriving
beach
community,
we've
done
well,
since
that
1994
we
do
best,
basically
giggles
the
city.
B
Since
then
we
have
a
very
bright
future
or
a
strong
and
independent
city
that
acts
more
like
a
family
than
a
staff
after
Hurricane
Matthew
nirmaia
was
proud
to
be
part
of
that
family,
as
we
brought
into
the
city
after
both
storms
have
passed,
knowing
that
our
first
responders
were
well
equipped
and
ready
for
any
contingency,
because
we
were
prepared
to
reopen
the
city.
I
was
filled
with
confidence,
knowing
that
our
team
would
work
together
to
get
people
back
in
their
homes
as
quickly
as
possible.
B
Should
this
merger
be
approved
in
future
storms,
the
vital
service,
our
fire
department
will
be
controlled
by
the
City
of
Jacksonville,
my
Jacksonville
Beach.
The
importance
of
this
can
be
readily
seen
when
comparing
damages
left
by
Herman
and
Matthew
very
Matthew.
The
damage
came
mainly
from
the
ocean
waters
and
winds.
Our
Gainesville
Greece
in
our
city
was
battered
by
the
ocean
very
irma.
The
damage
came
mainly
from
the
red
wind
and
rain.
Most
of
the
Duval
County
received
significant
flooding.
B
B
If
we
fruit
this
large
or
what
taking
first
up
and
dismantling
if
we
approve
this
murder,
we're
taking
the
first
step
in
dismantling
our
city
if
the
money,
the
saving
money,
is
our
primary
concern
that
perhaps
we
should
consider
merging
the
police
department
with
the
sheriff's
office.
Beach's
identity
was
AAA
our
city
employees
with
the
Jacksonville
employees.
We
can
dismantle
our
charter,
so
our
buildings
and
becoming
screams
accents
a
bunch
of
sorry
I
returned
back
to
the
basic
question.
What
problem
are
we
trying
to
solve
to
me
this
right?
B
This
murderer
is
a
major
overreaction
to
an
overstated
problem
from
a
few
disgruntled
employees
in
Jacksonville
Beach
before
this
group
would
have
us
conduct
a
major
reconstruction
of
our
infrastructure
to
solve
an
HR
problem.
Speaking
for
myself,
and
only
myself,
you
knew
what
you
were
getting
into
inside
the
team.
B
Things
haven't
changed
these
things
or
take
me
personally
and
you'd
rather
work
for
the
JFR
day
that
I
personally
wholeheartedly
support
your
decision,
encourage
you
to
fill
out
an
application
and
transfer
to
jail
or
leave,
but
we
don't
need
to
surrender
our
entire
fire
department
for
a
few
scrambled
employees.
In
my
hand,
right
here
is
the
organizational
structure
of
the
City
of
Jacksonville
Beach.
If
you'd
like
to
view
a
copy
that
clerk
has
it
it's
also
to
page
10
for
our
City
Council
members.
B
The
highest
position
on
this
chart
is
not
the
City
Council,
it's
not
the
mayor,
but
it's
a
citizen
of
Jacksonville
Beach.
They
spoken
loudly,
they
spoke
and
clearly
they
do
not
want.
This
murder
will
take
place
much
if
not
most,
of
the
support
for
this
murder
is
count.
Remember
fire
department,
JFR,
key
their
families
and
friends.
Those
opposing
this
merger
are
primarily
our
citizens,
our
bosses.
We
received
a
summary
of
citizens
correspondence
about
this
issue
today
from
the
city
manager's
office.
B
B
I
know
that
some
of
you
on
the
council
intend
to
run
for
additional
office
I
submit
to
you
that
our
citizens
have
spoken
loud
and
clear
post.
This
merger
I
also
submit
to
you.
The
citizens
will
not
forget
how
to
vote
this
evening
and
if
they
do
your
one
last
point,
if
Jacksonville
would
like
to
cut
our
Milan
millage
rate
so
that
we
could
pay
them
105
and
over
1.5
million
dollars
less
in
taxes,
I'm
sure
that
we'd
be
happy
to
accept
that
option
and
additional
funding
to
our
fire
department.
A
Think
election
has
thought
so
apologize
if
I
jump
around
a
little
bit,
but
somebody
mentioned
we
give
this
a
lot
of
thought
before
you
take
your
vote
and
I
can
assure
you.
I
speak
for
myself
that
thought
of
little
else
over
the
past
few
months.
I
personally
did
not
wait
for
people
to
contact
me
to
tell
me
how
they
thought
or
or
give
me
their
opinions.
I
saw
people
out.
I
saw
people
that
were
experts
in
the
field.
I
stopped
people
out.
A
That
I
mean
we're
following
the
issue,
but
that
didn't
we
have
a
dog
in
there
in
the
site,
I've
become
reacquainted
with
friends
from
high
school
who
have
gone
into
fire
service,
which
has
been
a
great
side
effect.
So
all
that
being
said,
you
know
to
the
question
of
what
of
them?
Are
we
trying
to
solve
we're
not
in
financial,
dire
straits,
etc?
Why
would
we
wait
till
we
have
a
problem
to
solve,
and
why
would
we
wait
until
we
are
in
dire
financial
straits?
A
That
implies
that
we're
being
reactive
versus
proactive
and
one
of
the
most
in
actual
comments,
I
heard
from
someone
who
is
in
public
service
in
another
city
or
public
safety
university,
is
that
the
nature
of
Public
Safety
is
changing.
It's
becoming
more
technical,
the
dangers
and
the
challenges
facing
our
police
and
fire
are
different
than
they
were
20
years
ago,
certainly
different
than
when
one
person
uses
the
example
at
the
Murray
Hall
Hotel,
which
are
down
in
the
late
1800s
and
the
formation
of
the
of
our
current
Fire
Department
started
as
a
result.
A
A
Our
County
we're
currently
the
only
fire
department
that
is
not
consolidated
with
Duval
County
I
spoke
with
key
officials
in
Neptune,
Beach
and
Atlantic
Beach,
and
not
only
were
they
confident
that
they
were
overwhelmingly
positive
about
their
relationship
with
their
fire
department
and
not
just
on
a
higher
public
safety
services,
but
on
some
of
the
soft
things
that
we
about,
such
as
career
day
at
Neptune,
Beach
elementary
and
coming
out
to
the
evening.
Events
where,
where
kids
can
come
and
learn
about
public
safety,
I
also
spoke
with
the
Special
Events
Department
in
Jacksonville.
A
That
was
a
big
concern
among
our
city
staff
I
went
on
a
site
visit
to
Rockville.
If
you
haven't
been
I,
don't
know
if
I
encourage
it.
It's
not
my
cup
of
tea
if
stars
music,
but
to
see
the
structure
and
the
EOC
that
they
had
set
up
there
and
they
have
a
specific
department
within
the
Jacksonville
fire
department
that
handles
special
events.
A
A
There's
been
some
talk
about
where
the
issue
came
from,
and
why
are
we
even
talking
about
it
and
who
brought
it
up
and
that's
an
interesting
conversation?
But
the
point
is
it's
here
now
and
it's
incumbent
upon
us
to
make
this
decision
for
our
community
and
last
of
all
I
hear
a
lot
about
community
identity
and
how
important
it
is
for
a
community
to
have
its
own
fire
department
have
our
name
on
the
side
of
the
fire.
A
If
we
don't
whether
we
have
a
fire
department
or
not,
if
that's
what's
crucial
and
identifying
us
as
a
community
and
that's
an
identity
problem,
not
a
public
safety
problem
and
I
do
completely
agree
that
we
need
to
deal
with
that.
But
I
think.
At
the
same
time,
we
need
to
do
the
best
make
the
best
possible
decision
that
we
for
our
community
and
please
notice
that
I
have
not
mentioned
money
at
one
point
during
this.
My
comments
here
I
will
be
voting
to
support
the
contracting
of
our
fire
department.
C
Thank
you.
The
why
we
are
on
this
issue
is
actually
kind
of
important
East
and
it's
because
the
firefighters
have
issues
with
past
administrations
and
we
and
leadership
within
the
city
and
that's
really
critical,
because
we
have
a
whole
new
city
and
if
we
keep
the
fire
departments,
get
a
new
chief.
So
I
just
wanted
to
start
out
with
the
issue
that
wasn't
financial,
it's
not
structural
and
it's
not
a
quality
of
service,
they're,
excellent
quality
of
service
from
our
fire
department.
It
was
an
HR
issue
and
that's
important
because
we
can
fix
8hrs
use.
E
C
Gone,
it's
not
coming
back,
that's
really
critical!
Once
it
is
gone,
it's
not
coming
back.
It
will
be
too
expensive
to
bring
it
back
in-house,
so
we
are
starting
with
an
end
option
instead
of
starting
with
some
of
the
things
that
we
can
easily
fix
with
in-house
I
also
want
to
note
that
if
we
do
contract,
we
are
not
contracting.
Your
junior
party,
Jacob
Rd,
is
a
fine
organization
with
wonderful
people.
In
there
I
know
a
lot
of
individual
jRD
I
would
I
trust
my
life
with
them.
C
C
We
have
to
go
through
an
administration
that
changes
every
two
to
four
years
and
loses
its
institutional
knowledge,
never
mind
all
of
the
political
games
that
can't
be
played
and
have
them
say
that
anybody
who
pays
attention
to
the
politics
or
that
the
county
you
know
about
it
well,
and
that
is
now
you
be
going
to
this
contract.
That
is
something
that
we
will.
C
To
deal
with,
that
is
something
that
we
decided
in
1958
that
we
did
not
want
to
deal
with.
I
was
on
the
task
force
the
consolidated
government
a
couple
years
ago
for
the
City
of
Jacksonville
put
in
place
by
representing
developer.
It
was
chaired
by
Lori
Lori
Moyer.
We
had
on
the
road
task
force
meetings
to
listen
to
the
concerns
of
the
people
who
lived
in
the
county
and
I
will
say
that
the
people
in
Jax
beach
were
very
happy
with
the
service,
the
beach
of
cities.
We
were
the
most
attended
meeting
and
we.
C
Services,
the
ones
that
we
had
some
issues
with
through
to
the
City
of
Jacksonville.
If
you
look
at
what
the
City
of
Jacksonville
provides,
they
provide
the
minimal
level
of
service
and
the
city's
out
here
provide
a
little
bit
more.
We
have
grown
accustomed
a
little
bit
more.
We
pay
one
per
square
foot
for
our
houses.
For
that
little
bit,
more
is
where
the
expectation
of
services
and
a
quality
of
life-
that's
not
the
same.
On
the
other
side
of
there
is
a
flick,
Leone,
the
other
side
of
the
dish.
C
E
C
Contract
is
not
what
JFR
need.
This
contract
is
with
the
City
of
Jacksonville
in
that
administration.
This
contract
has
been
negotiated
with
two
key
individuals
within
the
City
of
Jacksonville,
who
will
be
gone
by
the
end
of
June.
Both
are
gone
by
the
end
of
June
mr.
Moussa
and
the
current
police
and
the
current
fire
chief.
Both
who
announced
their
retirement
look
around
this
room.
Is
there
a
person
here
from
the
City
of
Jacksonville
representing
the
administration?
That
is
representative
of
how
much
we
mean
to
the
City
of
Jacksonville?
This
is
a
contract.
C
They
would
be
our
vendor
when
have
we
had
to
go
into
a
contract,
this
large,
where
a
vendor
has
not
shown
up
for
a
single
meeting
or
workshop
populace?
That
said
that
mr.
Newton
noted
that
yes,
I
want
the
fire
the
fire
under
to
have
to
justify
their
captives.
I'm
not
asking
for
the
fire
department
to
show
up.
I
am
asking
for
the
administration
to
show
up
this
time
practice
with
the
administration.
They
should
be
here
telling
us
how
they
are
going
to
implement
you
toggle
through
on
this
and
there
again
there's
nobody
here.
C
For
eight
years,
every
48
years
we'd
have
to
go
to
a
new
administration,
institutional
whatnot,
the
loss
of
institutional
knowledge,
and
that
really
is
that
that's
critical
again
note
that
enough
think
about
Jacksonville
as
our
vendor
and
think
about
Jacksonville's
track
record
being
our
vendor.
We,
they
have
not
had
a
good
track
record.
E
C
This
is
who
we
be
going
into
a
20
year,
plus
contract
with
when
you
look
at
when
you
look
at
government
contracting,
it's
kind
of
an
area.
I
know
a
lot
about,
but
you
look
at
government
contracting.
There
are
key
things
you
can
want
to
look
at
first
is:
is
the
quality
of
service
going
to
be
better
and
the
quality
of
service
just
by
contract?
There
will
be
some
things
that
would
be
missing,
but
we
fill
in
with
other
departments
in
the
city,
and
so
the
quality
be
there
that,
but
money
should
never
be.
C
The
first
issue,
I
appreciate
miss
Hoffman,
focusing
on
the
money
that
shouldn't
be
the
first
issue.
The
second
piece
with
contracting-
and
this
is
the
critical
piece-
is
you
have
to
have
competition?
The
reason
why
you
have
contracting
in
government
is
that
when
government
is
going
to
devolve
itself
of
providing
a
service,
competition
between
two
entities
reduces
costs
and
increases
quality.
That
is
the
markets
working,
and
that
would
be
the
markets
working
in
the
public
sector
and
when
markets
are
able
to
work,
they
work.
Well.
C
However,
there
is
one
contractor
that
could
provide
this
service
and
that
is
the
City
of
Jacksonville
if
they
default.
If
they
go
wrong
on
this,
we
have
no
else
to
turn
to
other
than
trying
to
bring
it
back
in-house,
which
again
ends
up
being
extremely
cost.
Prohibitive
changes,
leadership,
I
touched
on
that
stuff,
pH
15
and
the
in
Jacksonville's
written
responses.
They
didn't
have
some
responses,
page
13
and
Jacksonville's
written
responses
here.
Think.
C
We
get
you
one
year
back
to
one
one
year,
another
year
at
another
and
then
another
year
number
six,
that
we
asked
the
City
of
Jacksonville.
What
would
a
authorities
personnel
do
to
support
Jacksonville
Beach
in
the
event
of
the
natural
disaster,
pre
and
post,
the
City
of
Jacksonville
response
is
Jack's.
Speech
would
receive
the
same
level
of
service
as
the
rest
of
the
tell
C
receives
based
on
needs,
same
level
of
service.
The
rest
of
the
county
gets
not
really
important
because
I
don't
blame.
C
You
have
to
go
for
that,
because
it
cannot
have
a
different
set
of
criteria
for
one
station
out
here.
Two
stations
out
here
versus
all
of
the
other
ones.
It's
not
fair
to
employees
for
evaluation
or
anything
else,
so
I
would
expect
them
to
run
their
these
two
houses,
just
like
egress
to
the
county
but
office
at
a
level
that
we
would
be
happy
with
I.
M
C
Personally
would
not
be
happy
with
that
level
of
service.
The
this
really
is
a
contract
with
the
at
its
heart.
It's
a
contract
with
the
City
of
Jacksonville.
If
you
were
comfortable
with
entering
a
20-plus
year
contract
with
the
City
of
Jacksonville,
given
their
track
record
in
dealing
with
the
cities
and
knowing
that
all
kinds
like
to
be
about
2.2
million
for
a
year
increasing
2.5
percent
each
year,
their
budget
for
their
fire
departments
is
212
million
and
change.
How
much
attention
do
you
think
are?
C
2.2
million
is
going
to
get
budget
that
size
I,
do
not
support
this
contract.
I'm,
not
saying
that
in
the
future.
This
might
not
be
something
that
we'd
have
to
look
at,
but
these
are
problems
that
are
fixable.
We
can
expand
Ally
and
fix
them
in-house.
We
have
we
leadership.
We
have
new
management,
we
can
fix
it
out
and
I
wouldn't
start
with
a
nuclear
option.
I
say
the
fix
our
fire
department,
we
hire
or
fire
personnel.
We
may
want
to
up
the
timeline
for
a
capital
improvement
plans.
J
Everybody
salmon
affects
our
fire
departments,
are
bringing
them
on
par
with
Jacksonville
or
going
on
par
with
what
we
want.
However,
if
you
use
the
raise
people's
taxes
for
something
that
can
be
done
by
a
rabid,
little
apartment
is
ready
here
in
case
they
love
them
notice.
If
you
have
a
ride,
then
I
have
notes
that
says:
Jackson
closed
the
safe
taxable
things
so
and
another.
J
J
What's
next
I
have
learned
that
about
beer
talking
with
police
departments
or
public
works
or
Parks
and
Rec,
because
you
know
why
they're
working
they're
working
way
out
there
work
well
throws
the
fire
department
has
been
an
issue
since
before
and
I
was
where
all
homes
dice
I've
talked
to
people
who
said
it
for
my
ear,
and
you
know
what
we
have
effective:
the
staff.
Will
fire
department
effects
this
staff
in
the
city,
I'm
fixin
on
the
City
Council
I've
not
effective.
J
This
is
why
I
you
know,
and
if
this
is
not
a
knee-jerk
reaction.
This
is
something
that
I
have
to.
Thank
you.
What
four
years
I
hope
you
have
a
family
here,
I'm
gonna
hoist
air
jacks,
please
I
want
the
safest,
fast
option
for
them,
and
I
can
see
that
with
Jacksonville.
If
we
have
people
call
in
sick
or
only
attacks
based
on
other
departments
aromas,
your
claim
is
simple.
J
There
isn't
a
lack
of
so
far
firefighter
our
firefighters
or
anything
other
than,
although
we
can't
we
can't
just
well
month
in
our
Jack's
Allah
is
a
mass
of
Jackson
fire
rescue
park
was
a
massive
organization
we
will
who
will
protect
our
citizens
of
their
great
job,
that's
and
for
people
to
think
it's
all
or
not.
Unless
that's
that's
just
wrong.
We're
going
to
get
a
good
service
and
yeah
I'll
bring
up
going.
J
I
I'm
not
going
to
say
a
whole
lot
of
what
sporting
them
said.
Other
than
I
too
have
talked
to
a
lot
of
people.
I've
talked
to
Jax
beach,
fire
people,
I've
talked
to
Jay
frd
people,
I've
talked
to
citizens
and
truly
this
is
not
an
issue
about
money
and
I.
I
feel
the
same
concerns
that
mr.
Mont
has
with
getting
support
from
the
City
of
Jacksonville,
because
in
our
interlocal
agreement
the
City
of
Jacksonville
is
supposed
to
be
providing
us
animal
control.
I
And
can
somebody
tell
me
where
that
animal
control
is
we
don't
have
any
control
from
the
City
of
Jacksonville?
The
only
thing
they
do
is
come
and
pick
up
animals
after
they've
been
held
at
our
shelter
and
and
then
they
take
them
downtown,
but
they
don't
provide
us
the
service
that
they
are
contractually
supposed
to
be
providing
us
through
the
interlocal
agreement.
I,
don't
feel
that
this
that
we
have
pursued
all
the
options
and
particularly
because
we
do
have
a
new
city
manager,
we
have
an
opportunity
to
have
a
new
fire
chief.
I
My
feeling
is
that
we
need
to
address
the
issues
ourselves
before
we
go
to
the
option
of
contracting
with
the
City
of
Jacksonville.
We
are
currently
getting
the
great
service
from
our
fire
department.
So
it's
not
it's
not
an
issue
of
hey.
You
know
we
need
to
fix
that
we
need
we
can
do
like
mr.
Sorrell
said
you
know
yeah.
I
Why
don't
we
take
the
two
years
and
see
if
we
can
make
some
changes
to
the
fire
department
and
get
we
have
a
lot
of
great
departments
here
in
the
City
of
Jacksonville,
Beach
and
and
people
do
move
here.
The
services
that
we
have
here
so
and
I
agree.
If,
if
we
make
this
decision
tonight
to
contract
with
Jacksonville,
we
can't
afford
to
to
go
back.
I
If,
if
we
realize
that
this
is
not
the
decision
we
should
have
made
and
I
would
support
adding
personnel
to
our
department,
whatever
we
need
to
do
to
address
the
issues,
but
I
think
we
need
to
address
them
internally.
I.
Don't
think
that
we
need
to
be
contracting
out
to
the
City
of
Jacksonville
in
hopes
that
we
can
get
as
good
a
services
what
we
currently
get
I
urge
my
City
Council
members.
I
If,
if
you
haven't
made
your
mind
up,
please
give
our
new
city
manager
an
opportunity
to
address
this
issue
and
give
a
new
fire
chief,
an
opportunity
to
address
this
issue.
I,
don't
believe
that
we
need
to
make
this
decision
to
transfer
to
Jackson
transfer
our
fire
department
to
Jacksonville
at
this
time
and
I
will
not
be
supporting
it.
Thank
you.
I
M
Won't
rehash
too
much,
but
the
particular
issue
that
is
important
to
me
outside
of
the
financial
aspects
is
the
quality
of
life
for
our
department
and
everybody
talking
about
the
hometown,
feel
the
quality
of
life
for
our
fire
department
and
operating
a
small
number
wears
on
these
individuals.
And
it's
not
the
clock
amount
of
money
that
we
would
need
to
spend
to
bring
our
department
up
to
where
right
now
where
they
have
one
leaf
slot
per
shift.
M
That
is
what
we're
operating
on
so
when
individuals
out
on
injury
on
duty,
pregnancy,
whatever
that
may
be
that
we
saw
spill
so
now
mandatory
our
department.
So
the
significance
of
the
cost
of
adding
that
many
more
firefighters
to
an
apartment,
to
add
lease
locks
to
have
them
have
a
quality
of
life.
I
think
is.
We
require
a
tax
increase.
M
Five
million
dollars
and
and
back
in
2000.
This
was
an
issue
and
has
been
an
issue.
I
think
Keith
alluded
to
it,
but
I'll
go
ahead
and
I'll
read
and
the
answer
that
I
had
to
2012
Beach's
watch.
The
candidate
questions
would
fill
this
out.
Fire
I
feel
about
fire
being
endorsed
by
anybody
back
in
2000
when
I
ran
for
office,
and
the
question
that
was
was
asked
was
which
provisions
of
the
interlocal
agreement
would
you
support
changing,
and
my
response
to
that
question
was
I
would
consider
changing
the
interlocal
agreement
dimmable
our
fire
department.
M
B
M
Since
I
ran
for
office
in
2012
the
seat
Thea
for
our
firefighters,
the
city
for
our
community,
the
read
the
added
resources,
the
issue
that
I
think
is
is
up
for
discussion,
and
this
is
in
my
discussions
with
countless
number
of
individuals,
whether
it
be
Atlantic
each
and
every
Beach
Jacksonville
is
the
concern
of
response
times.
I
think
what
is
that
for
discussion,
for
us
is
whether
or
not
we
pay
for
the
third
apparatus
for
Jacksonville.
M
For
me
personally,
I
think
we
are
very
right,
not
two-man
crews,
for
three
trucks.
Jacksonville
has
offered
to
do
three
trucks
for
an
increased
price.
I.
Think
that's
the
discussion
that
I'm
willing
to
have
anybody
else
was
to
chime
in,
but
that
way
we're
covering
our
bases,
the
other
not
to
us
was
discussed
by
Keith
is
do
it
as
proposed,
and
then
we
can
have
the
third
one
at
any
other
time,
which
we
know
my
colleagues
for
discussion.
But
the
idea
is
the
resources
that
will
be
available
to
us.
M
The
quality
of
life
of
our
fire
department
is
what's
extremely
important
and
the
safety
of
our
residents
is
what's
important.
So
that's
why
I
do
support
this
merger
outside
of
the
cost,
savings
and
I.
Think
in
another
issue
that
hasn't
been
touched
on.
What
I
look
into
is
our
pension
fund,
the
firefighters
pension
fund
that
we
have
is
the
worst
funded
in
the
city.
It's
funded
at
79%.
Right
now,
when
we
were
first
a
letter,
it
was
90
percent
hundred
and
twenty
fourteen.
It's
now
79
percent
funded
that
debt
is
paid
off.
M
All
these
costs
are
factored
in,
the
death
pension
debt
is
paid
off
and
all
of
these
costs
it's
seven
hundred.
Fifty
thousand
dollar
contribution
is
paid
off
within
ten
years,
so
we
just
have
been
carrying
that
net.
You
carry
that
pension
that
every
year
it
doesn't
go
into
the
books.
We
carry
that
debt.
This
now
takes
that
pension
debt
and
pays
it
off
and
we're
factoring
in
that
cost
in
the
price
that's
been
put
out
there
for
everybody
to
see
which
I
think
it
is
important,
see.
I
will
be
supporting
this
tonight.
Thank.
F
You,
mr.
miggles,
thank
you.
I'll
keep
this
short
you're
correct.
This
is
an
HR
issue.
This
is
a
ten
year
plus
HR
issue
with
the
city
that
the
city
is
not
fixed,
our
firefighters
of
summer
there
it
is.
It
is
a
public
safety
issue
for
them
their
Safety's.
We
not
man
our
Attis
correctly
under
bana.
They
get
there.
The
first
we
heard
and
I
said
I
mean
if
something
goes
wrong.
We've
got
a
major
problem,
I'm
very
disheartened,
with
with
the
contention
that
this
is
the
beginning
of
a
dis
mailing
of
our
city.
F
F
They
they
did
a
random
poll
recently
and
the
majority
of
the
people
that
were
that
were
polled
were
for
this
mercury
and
you
know
I'm
doing
what
summarizing
what
some
invested.
It
was
a
community,
the
money.
It's
that's,
not
an
issue,
but
most
people
have
said
we
want
to
do
what's
right
for
the
public
safety
and
what's
right
for
this
community
with
that
said,
I'll
be
voting
in
favor
of
this.
C
Sake,
I
did
just
one
I
had
nothing
to
do
at
the
poll
that
we've
done
in
my
department
and
everybody
knows
dr.
bender,
nobody
comes
doctor,
they
know
what
to
do.
I
didn't
know
he
was
going
to
do
it,
but
I
had
not
asked
him
to
do
it
or
anything
else.
Now.
That's
sad,
it
was
not
a
random.
Oh,
it
was
just
like
email
by
email
that
people
put
on
their
voter
registration
card
with
the
most
updated
voter
registration
list,
which
he
laughs
does
have
so.
E
C
Those
who
are
in
favor
or
opposed
to
the
contract,
and
now
it
was
within
the
margin
of
error,
which
means
that
you
can't
say
one
way
or
another
so
yeah.
The
number
was
higher
on
those
who
support
versus
those
who
oppose,
but
there
was
a
lot
of
who
just
didn't
know
about
the
issue,
but
again
it
was
good
in
the
market,
no
matter
of
meeting
that
it's
it's
time
tied,
it
doesn't
really
know.
So
that's
just
the
statistics.
Part
of
that.
C
Yeah
I
want
to
reiterate
one
more
time.
This
is
not
a
contract
of
the
fire
department.
This
is
a
contract
with
the
City
of
Jacksonville,
Beach
and
I
know
how
this
vote
is
going
to
be
going
down.
So
you've
already
noted
it
again.
This
is
something
I
am
very
much
in
opposition
to
I
and
it's
not
jRD.
Jeopardy
is
a
fine
group
of
individuals.
I
F
E
A
C
You
I
support
putting
it
to
referendum
because,
as
it
looks,
I
would
be
up
here.
It
would
be
a
4-3
vote
and
that
is
way
too
close
to
them
wanted
to
make
a
decision.
That
is
this
critical
for
the
future
of
our
city
and
I
also
go
to
agree
that
the
voters
of
Jacksonville
Beach
it's
too
much
for
them.
I,
don't
agree
with
that.
They
were
just
like
the
hate
referendum
and
everything
else.
C
There
will
be
groups
of
individuals
and
nonprofits
that
form
to
educate
the
citizenry
as
best
as
they
each
possibly
can
and
it
up
to
in
each
individual
voter
them
to
make
the
best
possible
decision.
He
or
she
can,
with
the
information
that
he
or
she
is
given
and
their
own
personal
preference.
So
I
would
support
the
lower
rep
remote-controlling.
B
Reiterate
as
well
earlier,
I
held
up
the
organizational
chart
with
City
of
Jacksonville
Beach
and
our
bosses
around
the
our
bosses
who
live
in
all
the
houses,
the
streets,
then
it
makes
only
sense
that
we
provide
them
the
opportunity
to
make
the
decision
at
this
point
on
how
we
move
forward.
I
think
mr.
Dumont
said
best.
This
is
just
way
too
close
to
make
this
a
decision
here
tonight.
I've
got
to
put
it
back.