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D
Let
us
pray
the
greatest
good
Southern
father.
We
just
thank
you
for
all
your
blessings.
Lord
It's,
just
ask
you
to
overlook
up
overlook
this
community
as
we've
lost
a
lot
of
community
citizens
that
have
passed
away
in
the
past
couple
of
weeks
that
are
instrumental
in
a
big
part
of
our
community
Lord,
be
with
their
families,
give
them
peace
Lord,
give
us
the
strength
to
move
the
city
forward
in
the
direction
that
would
be
favorable
for
you
and
Lord.
Most
of
all,
we
just
thank
you
for
your
son,
Jesus
Christ.
In
his
name.
G
H
I
A
I
E
B
J
Everyone
I
just
wanted
to
give
another
kudos
to
our
Police
Department.
They
keep
taking
guns
from
the
streets
from
criminals
and
shouldn't
have
them
so
I
really
want
to
thank
them
and
also
message
to
any
criminal
that
wants
to
come
to
Jax,
Beach
and
vandalize
private
property.
Don't
worry,
police
department
will
catch,
you
you'll
go
to
jail,
we
don't
have
any
time.
This
is
not
the
place
for
it.
So
if
you
see
the
police
department
out
there,
please
give
them
a
big
round
of
applause.
Shake,
Your,
Hands,
dude.
F
L
You
mayor
just
a
quick
announcement
for
those
of
you
in
the
audience.
If
you're
not
aware
the
city
has
been
has
started
the
process
of
updating
our
comprehensive
plan
and
our
Land
Development
code,
which
is
a
very,
very
important
piece
of
of
making
sure
that
our
community
grows
in
the
way
that
we
want
it
to
and
we've
had
several
workshops.
L
We
just
recently
had
a
workshop
with
the
business
owners
and
there
was
a
Citizens
Workshop
several
weeks
ago,
but
if
you
were
not
able
to
attend
I,
encourage
you
to
go
to
the
website,
coag
c-o-j-b
dot.
Excuse
me
I'm,
going
to
start
over
again
cojd
update
dot
com
and
there
are
just
a
few
questions
there
on
that
website.
They're
the
same
questions
that
were
asked
in
the
workshop,
but
that's
your
opportunity
to
provide
input
into
this
process
and
I
really
encourage
our
citizens
to
participate
with
that.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you,
Miss
Goldeen
I
have
a
couple:
I
just
want
to
give
a
Parks
and
Rec
Kudos
I've
recently
rejoined
Paws,
Park
I
didn't
join
my
dog
joined
and
she
loves.
K
M
A
Went
over
to
Penn
and
park
for
the
farmer's
market
that
we
have
every
Saturday
morning,
if
you
haven't
been
out
there,
I
highly
recommend
it
it's
really
easy
to
get
in
and
out
of,
and
they
have
a
lot
of
great
vendors
there,
especially
now
as
the
weather
is
getting
a
little
more
bearable.
I
encourage
you
to
take
advantage
of
that.
We
have
a
couple
things
coming
up
this
week,
not
the
least
of
which
is
some
tropical
storm
Nicole.
A
If
this
name
is
a
surprise
to
you,
I
encourage
you
just
to
check
out
the
weather.
Pages
Jack's
ready
is
a
wonderful,
app
and
website
that
I
encourage
you
guys
all
to
follow.
That's
really
the
best
source,
that's
the
source
that
we
all
share,
that
the
city
shares
as
far
as
up-to-date
local
information.
So
please
keep
an
eye
on
this.
A
A
lot
of
the
state
and
then
of
course,
election
day,
is
tomorrow
a
lot
of
you
I,
would
imagine
have
probably
already
voted.
So
hopefully
we
can
get
to
a
point
someday
where
early
voting
is
just
voting
and
election
day
is
late.
Voting.
N
A
But
you
can
always
contact
me
or
come
up
to
any
of
us
after
the
meeting.
If
you
have
any
questions,
those
came.
Some
extensive
nine-month,
Charter
review
that
this
Council
was
a
part
of.
So
we
put
a
lot
of
work
into
that
and
hopefully
we
will
consider
those
items.
I
think
that's
it
for
me,
Mr
Stokes.
Would
you
like
to
make
some
comments.
O
Yeah
bear
with
me
as
I
read
this,
but
it's
a
honorable
mayor
members
of
the
city
council
today
is
a.
O
Is
there
a
flight
back
over
the
past
two
years,
I'm
incredibly
grateful
to
the
citizens
of
Jack
speech
for
allowing
me
the
opportunity
to
represent
you.
I
am
thankful
for
this
incredible
group
on
the
dice
that
has
come
together
in
service
of
our
great
City
I'm
thankful
for
our
city
staff.
That
has
always
been
available
to
answer
questions
provide
input
and
give
us
the
information
needed
to
do
our
jobs
effectively.
O
No
I
won't
go
through
every
once
we're
missing
someone
you've
all
been
incredibly
helpful
and
honored
to
have
worked
for
you
all
Jacksonville
Beach
is
truly
an
amazing
place.
We
are
beautifully
diversity,
blessed
by
Nature
all
around
a
large
growing
up
here,
a
lot
of
love
living
here
and
I
love
raising
my
family
here
as
I
look
towards
the
future,
and
it
will
be
different
as
it
was
different
when
I
was
a
young
kid
living
here,
but
the
trial
of
this
part
of
northeast
Florida
will
never
be
lost.
O
I
want
to
thank
the
people
in
Jacksonville
Beach
again
for
your
trust
in
me,
two
years
ago
it's
been
one
of
the
greatest
honors
of
my
life
serving
it
inspired
me
to
get
more
of
my
time
serving
you
working
to
solve
issues
large
and
small,
although
not
all
opportunities
worked
out
as
I
had
hoped.
I
know,
there's
no
reason
for
that,
and
I
will
always
continue
to
work
on
improve
in
Jacksonville
Beach,
because
I
believe
it
is
filled
with
unlimited
potential
and
I'm
honored
to
have
been
a
part
of
it
dating
to
everyone.
A
Thank
you,
Mr
Subs,
regardless
of
how
things
go
next
week
with
appointing
a
replacement
to
his
daycare
position,
I've
asked
Mr
Stokes
to
come
back
on
the
21st,
which
is
when
we
will
be
seating:
the
new
council
members
and
giving
our
farewell
to
the
outgoing
council
members.
So
so
we'll
do
this
again,
a
little
bit
more
I
think
it's
the
21st,
okay
good!
Thank
you.
My
back
Checkers
up
here.
E
A
N
Hello,
Curtis
Loftus,
1280,
Mayport,
Landing,
Drive,
Atlantic
Beach
new
address
since
last
time.
I
saw
you
guys
through
the
Gypsy
but
so
good
to
see
you
thanks
for
once
again
I'm
here
to
talk
about
that
for
chairs
and
yeah
10th
season,
pretty
pretty
wild
to
think
back
and
imagine
wrapping
up
that
the
chairs
in
2013
and
it
was
18
chairs,
maybe
and
I-
think
it
took
me.
Eight.
N
Get
it
cleaned
up
and
now
I
end
up
our
group,
our
volunteers
we'll
be
in
the
park
right
after
Super
Bowl
great
event.
We
formed
a
good
relationship
with
those
folks.
They.
N
Into
the
park,
November
17th
will
be
the
date
and
well
it's
been
a
week
installing
back
the
chairs
and
it's
going
to
be
bigger
than
ever.
We've
got
some
incredible
Partnerships
this
year,
every
year,
more
Partners,
every
year,
more
volunteers,
every
year,
more
stuff
on
the
stage
just
really
proud
to
to
be
able
to
stand
with
you
and
showcase
our
city,
we've
gotten
National
recognition,
International
attention.
N
I
can't
tell
you
how
many
great
wonderful
comments
from
across
the
region
across
the
country
and
yeah.
We
showcased
this
beautiful
city
and
it
is
a
beautiful
city
and
we
have
great
staff
and
one
commend
Parks
and
Rec
Jason.
The
TDS
and
Molly
that
worked
with
them.
Jason
is
especially
for
the
last
nine
years,
working
through
the
city,
managers
and
ideas,
and
what
can
this
become
and
how's
it
going
to
look
a
free
event
in
that
downtown
public
park.
N
Space
is
really
hard
to
pull
off
at
the
scope
scale
that
we
we
do
every
year
and
it
really
is
the
volunteers.
It's
the
community,
the
citizens,
love
deck,
the
chairs
and
you
guys
know
that,
and
that's
just
a
great
honor
to
once
again
do
it
on
your
behalf.
That's
it
look
forward
to.
A
Well
represented
so
I'll
go
ahead
and
read
it
from
here,
so
we're
at
fuchsia's,
Fine,
Arts
Series
in
his
and
non-profit
organization
that
has
been
presenting
world-class
performers,
including
chamber,
orchestras,
quartets
and
trios
quartets
and
trios
Jazz
musicians
and
internationally
acclaimed
local
groups
free
to
music
lovers
from
all
walks
of
life
in
Northeast
Florida
for
50
years
free
of
charge.
Glad
we
said
that
twice
because
it's
important
and
we're
at
a
Board
of
Trustees
comprised
of
community
volunteers
runs
be
fast
and
the
board
actively
works.
A
A
A
A
wonderful
job
bringing
in
just
amazing
International
artists.
So
the
fact
that
you
can
get
to
hear
these
talented
artists
for
free
is
really
a
special
thing
here
in
our
community
and
I
want
to
say
before
we
do
our
photo
op.
That
not
only
is
it
that
Beach's
Fine
Arts
series,
50th
Anniversary,
it's
Kathy
Wallace's
25th
year,
foreign.
A
A
A
Q
K
Technologies
to
implement
the
Tyler
payment
processor
and
purchase
credit
card
terminals,
as
you
all
are
aware,
we've
been
working
on
our
utility
gun
implementation
project
and
a
component
of
that
is
selecting
a
payment.
Processor
Tyler
integrates
with
a
few
obtainment
processors,
so
the
steering
committee
evaluates
each
of
them
based
on
convenience
for
the
customer
ease
of
reconciliation
and
cost.
K
And
ultimately
the
committee
recommends
that
we
select
Tyler
payments
of
agile
payment
processor,
and
this
will
allow
us
to
take
credit
cards
in
person
at
the
front
counter
of
the
drive-through
online
and
the
NFR
the
cost
to
purchase
their
credit
card.
Readers
is
3,
300
or
3
352
dollars,
and
it's
1440
for
annual
maintenance
and
there's
a
part
of
this
agreement.
Tyler
will
assess
a
convenience
fee
to
those
that
pay
via
credit
card
and
it
will
be
2.75
percent
of
the
transaction
or
1.50.
E
S
S
Thank
you
after
you
and
your
team
for
get.
Finally
getting
this
done
before
I
was
on
Council
I
volunteer
with
the
police
department,
and
when
people
came
in
to
pay
for
a
report
or
anything
else,
it
was
cash
cash
check
or
money
order,
even
when
it
was
15
cents
for
the
report
that
they
needed.
So.
Thank
you
very
much
I.
Thank
you
for
me
and
for
all
the
residents.
Anybody.
A
C
We
have
an
item
d,
asking
you
to
adopt
a
resolution
for
the
non-union
position,
classification
and
pay
plan
each
one
of
these
items
presented
separately
and
each
one
has
its
own
summary
table
of
all
of
the
changes
along
with
a
financial
impact
for
each
one
of
these
items,
but
because,
between
the
three
of
these
we
are
asking
you
all
to
include
changes
to
every
position
and
every
pay
grade
throughout
the
city.
We
wanted
to
present
you
with
a
summary
table,
so
you
could
see
the
overall
Financial
impact
city-wide.
C
So
this
is
just
a
summary
of
the
tables
that
you'll
see
in
each
of
these
three
items
for
all
positions:
city-wide,
we
are
looking
at
a
total
increase
in
annual
cost
in
fiscal
year,
2023
of
2
million
874
218
dollars
for
a
total
annual
payroll
cost
of
the
37
million
238
that
you
see
what
was
budgeted
and
this
year's
adopted
budget
was
35
million,
796
854.,
so
there's
a
variance
of
1.4
million
dollars
to
four
percent.
We
are
not
recommending
a
budget
adjustment
at
this
time.
C
E
S
S
Thank
you
for
those
who
looked
at
those
numbers
and
thought
wow,
that's
a
lot
of
money.
S
Yes,
it
is-
and
this
is
a
lot
of
money
that
our
team
has
worked
very
hard
to
make
sure
that
we
stay
a
competitive
employer,
so
we
can
attract
and
retain
the
best
people
that
we
can
and
those
numbers
would
be
much
higher
if
we
had
to
keep
paying
for
new
trainings
and
new
advertising
for
positions
because
they
keep
emptying
because
we're
not
competitive.
So.
S
A
Thank
you,
Miss
Dumont,
any
other
questions
or
comments,
and
in
addition
to
so
you
know,
we've
had
multiple
meetings
to
discuss
this.
So
this
is
not
not
news
to
us
if
it
seems
like
we're
not
discussing
it
at
Great
length,
seeing
no
others
on
a
circle
call.
H
C
You
know
on
to
say
that
I
do
want
to
say
thank
you
to
those
that
we
Union
City
and
representatives
that
we've
worked
so
hard
with
over
the
past
few
months
in
each
region
agreement.
So
it's
a
team
effort
and
about
City
staff
and
Community
Representatives,
put
forward
a
lot
of
effort
to
come.
I
Believe
that
we
approved
the
collective
bargaining
agreement
with
the
laborers
International
Union
North
America
for
a
three-year
term,
effective
October,
1st
2022.
D
D
H
C
An
item
D
is
proposing
two
amendments,
one
to
the
employment
agreement
between
the
city
and
the
city
manager
and
once
it's
made
for
the
employment
agreement
between
the
city
and
the
City
attorney,
Council
gave
us
some
direction
on
everything
on
October
10th,
to
bring
forward
a
proposed
amendment
to
their
labor
agreement,
which
will
allow
for
the
city
manager
and
the
City
attorney
to
receive
any
across
the
board.
Adjustments
or
Market
adjustments
that
the
city
provides
to
all
other
employees
specifically
to
Executive
management.
C
I
L
Good
evening,
mayor
council,
Heather
Ireland
Planning
Development
director.
What
we
are
requesting
from
you
today
is
a
kind
of
a
two-parter,
so
bear
with
me
in
our
continued
efforts
to
encourage
economic
development
in
our
downtown
area
and
kind
of
piggybacking.
On
the
J
bill
that
was
recently
supported
by
Council,
we
are
requesting
that
Council
direct
staff
to
begin
developing
an
ordinance
that
would
put.
E
L
Not
in
clerk,
if
you
don't
mind
there,
we
go
so
the
area
that
we
would
like
to
focus
on
initially
is
the
First
Avenue
North,
which
is
part
of
the
Civic
Corridor
identified
in
the
downtown
action
plan,
specifically
the
north
side
of
the
road,
and
we
do
have
some
interest
from
the
property
owner
that
owns.
Thank
you.
The
building,
that's
currently
under
construction,
just
across
the
street
from
city
council.
L
So
our
request
again
is
two
parts:
one
authorizing
the
city
manager
to
approve
a
right-of-way
permit,
so
the
developer
of
that
project
can
eliminate
those
parking
spaces
and
replace
it
with
some
type
of
papers
or
solid
surface,
so
that
when
we
are
ready
with
that
outdoor
dining
pilot
program,
they
can
proceed
accordingly.
So
again
we
are
focusing
right
now
only
on
this
First
Avenue
North
Corridor
in
the
downtown,
depending
on
how
it
goes,
and
if
council
is
happy
with
the
the
progress
of
that
program,
we
can
revisit
it
and
see
if
it.
A
We
have
a
motion
in
a
second
this
month.
Thank.
S
You
just
for
clarity
when
you're
looking
at
that
your
people
think
about
downtown,
they
think
about
bars.
This
pilot
program
is
specifically
for
restaurants.
Only
bars
are
not
going
to
have
outdoor
seating
on
the
sidewalks.
It's
only
four
restaurants,
so
just
in
case
anybody
that
caused
anybody's
mind.
Thank
you.
A
L
Heather
was
I,
didn't
see
anything
in
the
memo,
but
was
this
discussed
at
all
with
our
cre?
Yes,
so
cra
has
discussed
this
and
in
fact
we
have
a
we
discussed
at
the
last.
L
O
Mr
Subs
yeah,
if,
since
it's
right
now
in
a
restaurant,
only
form
if
a
coffee
shop
we're
interested
like
if
in
getting
outdoor,
dining
or
outdoor
seating
would
they
fall
under
that
use?
The.
G
F
I
I
believe
that
we
approved
the
city
manager
to
execute
it
right
away,
use
permit
for
Jacksonville
Beach
Town
Center
LLC
to
eliminate
on-street
parking
spaces
adjacent
to
it,
south
of
the
Town
Center
project,
replacing
in
kind
with
an
oversized
sidewalk
and
prohibiting
the
use
for
outdoor
dining
until
the
pilot
program
is
established.
A
E
A
I
E
A
Carries
Item
B
the
way
the
staff
report
for
graduate
Club.
B
I
was
looking
at
the
wrong
side.
Did
you
set
a
budget
officer?
You
have
before
you
the
year-end
budget
mod
for
the
fiscal
year
which
just
ended
on
September
30
2022..
It
summarizes
all
the
actions
approved
by
Council
from
April
through
the
September
period,
which
is
why
it's
seven
pages
long,
there's
a
lot
of
FY
22.
At
the
face
of
the
memo
itself.
B
I
A
E
A
Motion
carries
item
C,
Molly.
M
Molly
Alger
Parks
and
Recreation
I'm
here
tonight
to
request
approval
for
another
resolution
for
three
more
honorary
street
signs.
Our
honorees
are
private,
first
class
Dwayne,
Corbett,
private,
first
class,
Harold,
Owens
and
Sergeant
First
Class
here
are
three
Parks
has
verified
residency
and
Military
status
and
Public
Works
has
given
their
blessing
on
the
locations.
A
G
G
First
class
Dwayne
Corbett
project
first
class
Howard
owns
they
both
died
within
three
days
of
each
other
in
1968.
another
one
that
was
submitted
last
time
was
we
and
Raymond
gas
are
the
first
class.
He
died
within
10
days
of
these
two
times
in
1968.,
the
Jacksonville
Beach
loss
three
soldiers,
three
citizens
within
10
days
in
1916
during
the
Vietnam
war,
the
third
nominee
is
Sergeant
Gerard,
Mantino,
Reid,
23-year,
Army
veteran
he
had
was.
E
G
Seven
Army
Commendation
medals,
nine
Army
Achievement
medals
and
did
three
tours
in
Iraq.
These
are
all
heroes
sponsored
for
any
signs.
I
have
the
Sherry
salisman
another
member
from
the
gene
Ruble
chapter
of
the
Daughters
of
the
American
Revolution,
their
sponsoring
Harold,
Owens
and
Gerard
Reed
signs
and
I'm,
proud
to
say
that
cenotti's
Bakery
is
supporting
and
sponsoring
private
first
class
Dwayne
Corbin
just
her
support,
and
thank
you
so
much
for
all
that
you
do
for
the
events.
Thank
you.
A
I
S
Thank
you,
I
did
read
online.
E
M
B
S
Great,
thank
you
and
then.
Finally,
this
Friday
is
Veterans
Day.
So
please
join
well.
He
will
be
there
for
the
memorial
up
in
Atlantic,
Beach,
Veterans,
Memorial,
Park
and
I
believe
9am.
G
S
9
A.M
to
honor
those
who
have
served
and
lost
their
lives.
Thank
you.
A
And
I
just
want
to
add
the
beaches.
Museum
is
looking
at
taking
the
stories
as
they've
been
compiled
by
Mr
debbick
and
Mr
Woodhouse
and
adding
them
to
an
online
history.
Tour
that
we're
working
on.
So
we
really
appreciate
and
we'll
talk
to
you
about
that,
but
we
really
appreciate
all
the
work
that's
gone
into
compiling
these
stories.
That
would
otherwise
really
only
be
known
to
the
fans.
So
thank
you
for.
A
Thank
you
for
the
clarification
as
well
Miss
golden
just
a
quick
thank.
L
You
to
Mr
jimik,
as
always
thank
you
for
all
that
you
do
to
honor
the
memory
of
of
these
Heroes.
We
are
certainly
very
appreciative,
and
it's
an
honor
for
us
to
be
able
to
to
do
this
in
our
community.
A
E
F
I
S
S
I
know
you
have
a
consultant
that
helps
with
this
and
added
all
kind
of
magic
key
here
here
they
they
do
to
this.
But
it's
I'm
impressed
with
how
Equitable
you,
your
team
has
been
able
to
get
the
salaries
within
the
organization
to
also
be
competitive,
with
organ
with
organ
other
organizations
of
similar
with
similar
jobs.
So
thank.
T
S
A
Just
getting
all
our
comments
and
any
other
comments
from
Council
Madam
Circle.
C
The
next
Revolution
is
for
the
non-union
of
personnel
policies
to
make
some
amendments
to
the
lead
policy,
specifically
to
add
Juneteenth
as
a
holiday,
which
capital
has
already
adopted
by
resolution.
Also,
we
are
eliminating
the
personal
leave
day,
but
instead
rolling
that
into
an
additional
vacation
day
and
allowing
for
more
flexibility
and
a
little
bit
of
accelerated
approval
rate
and
also
providing
our
employees
with
a
vacation
sellback
program.
This.
C
C
A
Midnight
outside
right
now,
moving
on
to
the
ordinances
starting
with
item
a
do
we
want.
We
need
to
stop.
F
A
A
I
H
E
A
A
A
E
K
E
S
Thank
you.
One
person
who
served
on
the
police
officer's
Retirement
Board
for
years
was
John
Gallardo
and
he
recently
passed.
He
was
a
very
valued
member
of
the
community
of
the
police
department
and
he
will
be
sorely
missed.
He
was
a
wonderful
individual.
D
A
L
Thank
you,
mayor
Hoffman,
Heather,
Ireland,
Planning,
Development,
director
I,
don't
have
anything
to
add
or
update.
There's
been
no
changes
to
the
request
on
the
small
scale.
90S
Amendment
but
I
have
all
of
the.
F
An
ordinance
of
the
city
of
Jacksonville,
Beach
Florida
amending
the
2030
comprehensive
plan,
future
land
use
map
providing
for
a
change
of
future
land
use;
designations
on
approximately
30.33
acres
of
land,
located
south
of
Beach
Boulevard
between
Hobson
Road
and
Jardin
demere
place
from
Community
commercial
cc
to
high
density,
residential
HDR
conservation.
Con
and
Recreation
openspace
Ros
from
Recreation
open
space,
Ros
to
high
density
residential
HDR,
from
high
density,
residential
HDR
to
Recreation,
open
space
Ros
and
from
low
density
residential
to
conservation,
providing
for
repeal
of
conflicted
ordinances,
severability
and
an
effective
date.
A
H
M
A
A
governing
body
is
acting
in
its
rule-making
capacity.
It
is
the
duty
of
the
council
to
arrive
at
some
decisions
regarding
proposed
changes
to
the
test
of
the
adopted,
2030
comprehensive
plan.
This
includes
receiving
citizen
input
regarding
any
proposed
tax
change.
The
application
has
been
reviewed
by
staff
and
the
Planning
Commission
for
consistency
with
other
portions
of
the
comprehensive
plan.
The.
A
Hear
from
all
interested
parties
in
the
legislative
determination
of
an
amendment
to
the
text
of
the
city's
2030
comprehensive
plan,
the
council's
decision
on
the
comprehensive
plan,
Amendment
application
is
based
on
the
criteria
set
forth
in
section
34
182
of
the
Land
Development
code,
each
member
of
the
council
has
been
provided
with
a
copy
of
the
criteria.
I
will
now
open
the
public
hearing
on
ordinance
number
2022-8181.
A
We
already
got
an
update
from
the
planning
department
and
the
first
Speaker
card
in
support.
It's.
A
U
A
Thank
you.
The
next
card
we
have
is
Barbara
Bauer.
A
She'd
like
to
come
up
and
address
I'm.
Sorry
in
opposite.
Yes,
sorry
we're
moving
on
to
the
speakers
in
opposition
of
the
ordinance.
R
I'm
speaking
in
opposition
to
the
fellainius
amendment
and
the
zoning
request,
our
population
in
2020
was
24
324
people
which
already
exceeded
the
2030
projection
of
23.998.
According
to
the
U.S
census,
the
average
increase
in
population
for
Jack
speech
is
240
to
250
people
per
year.
This
project
alone
will
add
over
800
people.
That's
basically
three
years
worth
of
growth
in
one
development.
R
Without
the
land
use,
Amendment
300
to
320
Apartments
apartment
units
plus
commercial
space
is
already
allowed,
plus
another
100
single
homes.
In
the
back
section.
The
developers
position
is,
he
can't
make
profit
building
only
320..
Well,
since
when
is
it
the
job
of
city
council
to
ensure
a
Housing
Development
or
a
retail
development
makes
a
profit.
This
is
not
a
sufficient
reason
to
Grant
again
the
land
use.
Amendment
I
went
to
the
County's
appraisals
website
and
did
some
calculations.
I
took
the
taxes
on
a
property
which
sold
for
21
million
dollars.
R
They
built
120,
I'm,
sorry,
170,
upscale
apartment
units,
the
portion
of
the
taxes
paid
to
the
beaches
on
this
property
is
200,
roughly
two
hundred
and
eleven
thousand
I
extrapolated
from
that
figure.
What
taxes
on
427
units
would
be,
which
is
roughly
530
000.,
and
that
figure
is
high,
since
Adventure
Landing
property
was
purchased
for
only
8
million.
Using
these
same
figure,
taxes
on
320
units,
the
number
currently
allowed
taxes
would
be
roughly
396
thousand
hundred
thousand.
The
average
cost
of
a
home
in
Jax
Beach
is
around
600
000..
R
The
beach
portions
taxes
on
that
is
roughly
3
200..
If
a
hundred
homes
were
built
on
the
land
which
is
already
allowed,
that
would
be
taxes
to
the
beaches
of
roughly
320
000..
Add
that
to
the
roughly
four
hundred
thousand
dollars
for
the
apartment
units,
which
would
already
be
allowed.
That
would
be
over
720
000
in
potential
new
property
taxes
to
Jack
speech,
as
opposed
to
the
possible
530
000
for
the
427
units
for
the
developer
was
so
we're
losing
money.
Basically,
on
this.
R
In
the
policy
that
for
low
into
moderate
income,
the
28
units
set
aside
for
the
workforce
does
not
address
this
rule.
According
to
HUD,
Workforce
housing
refers
to
people
making
above
60
percent
of
the
median
income
in
Jack
speech,
that
is
over
ninety
six
thousand
dollars,
which
means
people
making
fifty
seven
thousand
nine
hundred
seventy
seven
dollars
or
less
will
not
be
eligible
for
these
apartments.
According
to
data
USA's
website,.
E
R
Of
Jax
Beach
Workforce
makes
under
60
percent
of
the
median
income.
These
are
the
people
in
retail,
Food,
Service
Office
in
admin,
personal
care
and
related
occupations,
none
of
which
will
qualify
for
these
units,
nor
will
they
be
able
to
afford
them.
And
finally,
I
just
have
a
question
because
I
know
I
run
out
of
time
when
you
rather
election,
you
told
us
what
your
vision
of
our
CDs
might
be.
We
voted
for
you
based
on
the
information
you
represent
us,
the
voters
and
the
workers.
R
V
Good
evening
my
name
is
22
Hobson
Road
I
was
unable
to
make
it
through
the
last
city
council
meeting,
because
I
was
actually
in
Washington
DC
at
a
funeral.
For
a
veteran,
a
fraternity
brother
of
mine
was
home.
I
do
appreciate
what
the
city
is
doing
for
our
veterans.
I
wasn't,
however,
the
Planning
Commission
meeting
the
Planning
Commission
is
an
arm
of
the
city
council.
They
denied
this
proposal
during
that
meeting
the
developer
guided
the
attorneys.
V
The
developers
attorney
guided
how
that
should
be
written
and
it
was
denied
I,
don't
know
if
any
of
you
watched
the
Planning
Commission,
but
they
are
the
voice
of
the
people.
They,
you
know
the
Planning
Commission
projects
that
are
denied
are
not
typically
approved.
Why
are
you
all
are
approving?
This
makes
no
sense
that
we
asked
the
developer
to
get
a
traffic
study.
It's
my
understanding
that
the
traffic
study
failed
on
pendon
road.
There
was
a
meeting
last
week
in
a
Road
expansion.
V
It's
not
going
to
accommodate
it
until
after
that
is
done.
If
these
two
things
are
going
on
simultaneously,
you
know
it
should
be.
You
should
wait
until
the
traffic
can
handle
it
if
you're
going
to
improve
it.
Sandy
is
up
here
speaking
about
the
comprehensive
plan
review.
She
was
part
of
the
height
study
committee
and
teacher's
watch,
which
denied
development
of
high-rise
buildings,
which
is
another
product
of
density.
V
This
project
at
427
units
average
850
square
feet,
they're
not
going
to
attract
families
to
to
the
beaches
the
family's
not
going
to
live
in
a
two-bedroom
apartment.
You
know
again
and
then,
and
then
I
came
back.
I
read
read
the
beaches
later.
That
said,
basically
that
it
was
approved
noted
noting
that
there
was
a
second
meeting
for
this
and
that
one.
V
Ways
in
their
pocketbook
as
a
single
family,
Builder
anytime
I
go
for
a
variance
for
a
side
yard,
a
front
yard
lot
coverage
financial
hardship
will
strictly
denied.
Why
is
it
okay
for
city
council
to
say?
Well,
we
can't
we
can't
cut
it
back
just
on
the
fact
that
we're
getting
in
the
developer's
pocketbook
here
you
know
it's
a
double
standard
here.
This
is
not
a
good
thing
for
the
beach.
It
needs
to
be
reconsidered
in
coherent
or
in
consistency
with
what.
B
V
Is
this
a
sound
decision?
I
haven't
heard
anybody
speak
for
this?
How
this
is
a
sound
decision
for
the
city
of
Jax,
Beach
I
really
really
think
this
is
a
bad
thing.
I,
don't
know
why
the
developer
has
even
gotten
this
far
with
this
and
you
know,
and
why
all
all
of
you
don't
understand
how
that
is
going
to
be
a
negative
impact
to
our
beaches.
I
I
request
that
you
deny
the
second
reading.
W
Hi,
my
name
is
Luke
Lewis
I'm
against
this
project
like
Mr,
Holland
and
I
did
attend
the
planning.
A
commission
meeting
and
I
noted
one
thing
in
there
all
of
the
people
on
the
planning
board.
All
they
were
asking
for
was
more
information.
They
were
trying
to
do
their
due
diligence
and
ask.
Is
this
the
right
project
for
the
beaches?
I'll
say
it
in
this
meeting
as
I
said
it
in
that
one?
This
does
not
benefit
any
citizen
of
the
beach.
It
benefits
a
developer
this
unit
or
this
property
was
purchased
on
a
bankruptcy
thing.
W
It's
almost
as
though
he
purchased
a
lot
of
today
and
he's
asking
you
to
scratch
it
off
and
make
it
the
big
winner
all
right.
He
bought
property
that
was
on
the
particular
way
leave
the
zoning,
as
it
is
I
believe
in
property
rights.
Okay,
let
him
do
with
this
property,
as
it
is
properly
zoned
right
now,
do
not
scratch
this
lotto
ticket
off
and
allow
him
to
put
something
this
dense.
W
At
the
entrance
to
our
city,
I
noted
in
the
Planning
Commission
meeting,
there
was
a
lot
of
discussion
about
getting
a
welcome
to
Jack
each
side.
Well,
we're
going
to
welcome
him
to
attack
speech
because
we're
going
to
look
exactly
like
all
of
the
apartments
out
by
the
Town
Center
or
any
other
major
road.
This
will
also
set
a
precedent
and
I'm
scared
about
I.
Believe
the
marina
is
going
to
come
to
you
next
and
try
and
mimic
some
of
these
same
numbers.
W
Just
imagine
how
dense
it
will
be,
but
back
to
that
Planning
Commission
meeting
I
noted
at
the
meeting.
They
were
saying
hey.
Maybe
we
could
use
some
more
time.
Maybe
we
could
look
into
traffic
some
more
and
they
asked
the
developer
to
come
forward
with
a
traffic
study
and
I
noticed
time
was
a
big
deal
with
that.
He
didn't
want
it
to
take
too
long
and
I
know
this.
Particular
project
has
been
talked
about
for
years.
So
why
we're
at
a
rush
now
why
we
talked
about
it?
W
It
went
silent
for
a
number
of
months
and
then
it
was
pushed
in
I.
Don't
understand
why
we're
moving
so
quickly
and
I.
Don't
understand
why
this
Council
isn't
locked
up
with
its
Planning
Commission
I
wanted
to
ask
myself:
don't
have
the
opportunity
to
get
these
statistics,
but
how
many
times
has
the
council
voted
directly
against
the
Planning
Commission.
W
Do
all
the
time,
why
is
the
Planning
Commission
there
if
we
don't
rely
on
their
due
diligence,
but
again
why
the
rush
one
of
the
things
that
was
just
said
as
the
quasi-judicial
I
apologize?
You
were
reading
I,
don't
know
about
the
top
of
my
head,
but
it
said
Sound,
Decision
and
I,
don't
believe
we're
making
a
sound
decision
if
you
move
forward
with
this
project.
W
This
is
a
small
scale
project,
although
we,
the
words
are
in
the
thing.
The
last
thing
I
would
say
is
I
wondered
why
time
was
so
important.
I
wondered
why
at
the
Planning
Commission,
the
developer
wanted
to
push
so
hard
to
have
this
red.
Have
this
read
tonight?
Have
this
push
through
tonight
and
I
think
earlier,
when
the
announcements
were
made
that
when
the
clock
strikes
midnight,
this
council
is
a
different,
Council
and
I
believe
that's
what
they
were
Racing
for.
I
wholeheartedly
asked
you
to
deny
this
project.
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
A
T
Good
evening,
I
think
it's
rather
apropos
that
in
a
couple
of
hours
we're
on
Election
Day
and
we
have
a
time
in
which
so
many
people
are
so
frustrated
with
their
elected
officials
and
the
Jacksonville
Beach
I
think
very,
very
much
so
is
showing
that
the
city
council
has
abandoned
the
vision
of
the
rest
of
the
beaches.
Residents
abandon
their
Vision.
I
spoke
with
somebody
over
the
weekend.
I
don't
know
if
she's
here
her
name
is
Paula
Conroy
and
last
year
she
came
before
you
when
this
was
first
coming.
T
T
We've
got
to
address
some
of
these
issues.
It's
it's
also
very
interesting
and
I
support
the
issue
of
if
the
Pud
was
turned
down.
How
often
do
you
guys
override
what
their
decisions
are?
You
wonder
why
people
are
questioning
things
when
you
go
back
when
I
got
on
this
city
numbers.
T
T
With
people
when
decisions
are
being
made
by
the
city
council
that
people
do
not
support
and
there's
direct
funding
coming
into
their
campaigns,
people
are
wondering
why
decisions
are
being
made.
You've
heard
of
issues
on
the
Pud
you've
heard
issues
on
traffic
study.
I've
sat
here
listening
to
why
the
traffic
study
failed,
didn't
seem
to
matter
there's
issue
after
issue.
T
These
zoning
causes
of
why
this
should
not
be
happening
and
we're
seeing
funds
coming
directly
to
the
city
council
from
the
attorney
from
the
Builders
of
these
people,
and
you
have
your
community
wondering
what's
going
on,
I
I,
really
hope
that
you
will
pause
and
think
about
who
elected
you
into
these
offices
and
what
they're
asking
you
to
do.
This
is
not
supported
by
the
community
they're
asking
you
to
turn
it
down
and
to
look
at
it.
T
There's
justifiable
reasons
when
you
go
back
when
small
scale,
developers
and
single-family
home
builders
need
a
variance.
It
is
the
responsibility
of
the
applicant
to
show
hardship
of
which
financial
gain
or
loss
is
strictly
not
allowed.
Why.
T
Why
are
you
overriding
the
decision
of
the
of
the
claiming
Commission
there's
a
lot
of
questions?
A
lot
of
people
are
asking
and
I
truly
hope
that
you
think
about
those
and
that
you
turn
this
down.
Thank
you.
T
X
In
the
South
Jacksonville
Beach
Florida,
a
member
of
the
community
for
almost
30
years
and
taught
at
Fletcher
High
School
for
the
Senators
I
appreciate
the
work
you
all
are
doing
here
and
I
know
you
are
well-intentioned
people
the
school
being
started.
The
meeting
by
speaking
about
the
LDC
I'm,
a
former
attorney
Mr
Stokes,
mentioned
the
national
beauty
of
our
community.
In
the
30
years,
I've
lived
here,
I've
seen
it
disappearing
in
front
of
my
eyes.
X
Palm
trees
disappear,
put
up
by
houses,
grasses
fears
replaced
by
pavers.
Please
this
whole
project
is
more.
We
don't
want
this.
The
community
does
not
want
it.
Financial
hardship
is
not
a
basis
for
Grant
ovariance
or
letting
this
thing
go
through.
I'd.
Ask
you
please
to
repaint
this
and
think
about
our
community.
Like
the
one
lady
said,
the
population
is
getting
out
of
control
traffic
is
bad.
It's
only
going
to
get
worse.
X
E
A
A
A
Y
Hi
Heather
McConnell
619
14th
Avenue
North,
and
this
is
basically
what
I
said
during
the
last
meeting
when
we
had
the
same
conversation
but
I
think
it's
just
worth
repeating
now
that
you
all
are
pregnant.
Y
And
welcome
to
Jacksonville
Beach
we're
so
happy
you're
here.
So
for
that
to
be
the
very
first
thing
you're
going
to
see
when
you
come
over
the
bridge,
it
just
isn't
going
to
bring
our
community
what
we
want
our
visitors
to
see
and
what
residents
want
to
see.
I
just
want
to
bring
up
the
fact
that
Blue
Water
Apartments.
Y
Why
I
appreciate
new
water,
Apartments
I
think
they
did
a
great
job.
That's
300
a
little
over
300..
This
is
going
to
be
way
over
a
hundred
more
units,
and
it
can
be
the
first
thing
you
see
when
you
come
over
the
bridge.
Do
we
really
need
another
high
density
apartment
right
on
Beach
Boulevard
to
begin
with
our
strip
malls
here
in
Jacksonville
Beach,
for
probably
the
first
time
in
many
years,
are
actually
thriving.
A
K
Y
The
need
is
it's
not
in
more
leasing
at
apartments.
I,
don't
know
if
you've
seen
the
signs
I've
definitely
seen
them
I'm,
going
to
call
it
oceans,
Oaks
forever,
but
they're.
Now,
leasing
signs
are
all
over
the
beach,
so
I'm
wondering
do
we
even
have
a
need,
and
do
we
even
have
enough
residents
or
people
willing
to
spend
the
money
to
rent
those
apartments.
Y
Y
U
I
took
out
there
I
appreciate
the
opportunity
just
a
couple
of
quick
points,
because
a
lot
of
this
result
would,
in
fact
all
that
was
covered
at
the
last
meeting,
but
in
terms
of
the
environmental
impacts.
I
think
that's
something
that
we
talked
a
lot
about
at
the
last
meeting
again.
There's
no
impacts
should
assault
to
the
saltwater
marshes.
There's
no
impacts
to
the
freshwater.
Wetlands
we're
not
impacting
the
flood
zones.
U
That
was
the
reason
for
the
long
delay
was
to
get
approvals
from
FEMA
to
basically
analyze
the
flood
zone,
and
let
it
exists
today
in
the
real
world
also
no
impacts
for
the
coastal
High
Hazard
area,
so
the
natural
beauty
and
all
of
the
environmental
concerns
are
addressed
and
not
on
the
address,
but
actually
improved
due
to
the
water
quality
improvements
that
we
talked
about
at
the
last
meeting
as
well.
The
existing
parking
lots
don't
have
any
storm
water
controls.
U
What
we're
proposing
will
actually
treat
the
storm
water
before
it's
discharged
into
the
intercoastal,
so
it's
actually
a
net
benefit
environmentally.
Secondly,
there
is
no
Financial
Criterion,
we've,
never
partied
or
asked
for
any
financial
hardship.
Consideration,
I
think
that
that
issue
is
being
completed
with
the
con,
with
the
conversation
about
affordable
housing
when
we
offered
affordable
housing
units.
U
But
what
I
said
was
that
we
would
be
limited
in
the
amount
that
we
could
provide
due
to
the
financial
constraints
of
the
project,
that
the
cost
of
an
affordable
unit
costs
the
same
to
build
as
a
unit,
that's
being
released
at
market
rate,
there's
no
requirement
that
affordable
housing
need
provided,
there's.
No.
Where
requirement
in
the
code,
we
actually
are
offering
that
just
as
an
additional
public
benefit
in
order
to
help
be
a
part
of
the
solution
for
the
affordable
housing
issues,
not
only
in
Jacksonville
Beach
but
throughout
the
region.
U
U
Regarding
the
Planning
Commission
again,
I
know
that
Mr
Robinson's,
one
of
the
settling
the
Planning
Commission
recall
there
were
several
motions:
four
motions
that
failed.
There
wasn't
a
denial
from
the
Planning
Commission
and,
as
a
result,
you
have
it
within
your
authority
to
go
ahead
and
and
take
action
which
I
believe
we
did
appropriately
at
the
last
meeting
and
I
hope
you
will
today,
we've
provided
a
traffic
study.
Obviously
the
condition
on
Penman
is
one
that
exists
today.
The
traffic
study
revealed
that
what
we
are
adding
to
the
roads
is
not
significant.
U
That's
in
the
terms
that
the
Florida
statute
sees
this
to
guide
decision
makers
on
traffic
issues
and
then
finally,
regarding
the
affordable
housing.
The
one
last
point
I
wanted
to
make
is
that
people
who
make
sixty
percent
of
Ami
will
qualify
to
live
here.
So
there
are
bands
of
people
that
are
allowed
to
live
here.
U
That
would
make
clear
what
transcript
would
pay
depending
on
their
income
points,
so
absolutely
people
making
60
Ami
would
qualify
to
live
here
and
at
reduced
rents,
and
but
that's
for
the
next
topic,
for
now
we
can
automate
the
criteria
and
we
hope
you'll
agree
with
us,
like
you
did
last
week
on
the
small
scale
leadership.
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
You
Mr
Davido
anyone
else
who
wishes
to
speak
for
against
the
public
hearing
has
closed
before
requesting
a
motion
on
this
ordinance
beginning
with
myself.
Each
of
the
members
is
requested
to
indicate
for
the
record
both
the
names
of
persons
and
substance
of
any
ex
parte
Communications.
Regarding
this
application
and
ex
parte
communication
refers
to
any
meeting
or
discussion
with
a
person
or.
O
Stokes,
nothing
from
since
last
night.
Nothing.
K
I
A
I
K
A
K
L
Ireland
Could,
you
please
go
over
the
the
factors
that
the
city
council
has
to
con
has
to
consider
with
regard
to
the
small-scale
land
use,
Amendment.
L
So
for
changes
to
the
comprehensive
plan-
and
this
is
first
section-
34
182b.
L
L
L
Demographic
demographic,
Trends
or
land
availability
in
the
comprehensive
plan,
including,
but
not
limited
to
growth
in
the
area,
development
of
vacant
land,
new
development,
ETC
number
three
is
data
errors,
including
errors
in
mapping,
vegetative
types
and
natural
features.
Number
four
is
new
issues
that
have
Arisen
since
adoption
of
the
comprehensive
plan.
Number
five
is
the
recognition
of
a
need
for
additional
detail
or
comprehensiveness
in
the
comprehensive
plan
and
number
six
is
data
updates
and
can
you.
L
I
guess
go
over
the
staff's
recommendation
with
regard
to
these
criteria,
sure
so
From
staff's
perspective.
Some
of
these
are
not
applicable,
the
one
that
we
have
kind
of
leaned
on
to
support.
Our
recommendation
of
approval
is
the
second
one
change
of
some
assumptions.
It
lists
things
like
growth
in
the
area.
The
comprehensive
plan
at
the
time
did
not
accurately
reflect
projected
growth
at.
Q
L
L
I'm
curious,
since
we're
going
to
be
updating
our
comprehensive
plan,
then
will
we
also
will
be
updating
the
projected
growth
for
the
city
of
Jacksonville
Beach
as
well?
Yes,
ma'am.
We
will
look
at
all
the
data
and
Analysis
just
like
we
do
anytime,
there's
a
comprehensive
change,
the
actual
growth
from
the
last
10
years.
It
was
also
around
11,
so
we're
seeing.
Q
I
L
Q
J
V
L
Days
in
advance
of
the
meeting,
which
is
a
lot
sooner
than
we
normally
provide
the
agenda.
Additionally,
staff
met
with
each
of
them
individually
to
ensure
that
any
questions
they
had
were
answered.
However,
I
would
say
almost
a
year
that
information
sent
out
there,
because
if
you
recall
the
application
was
scheduled
for
a
Planning
Commission
meeting
around
a
year
before
it
was
actually
heard.
But.
L
Q
A
Any
other
questions
or
comments
from
Council
I
did
also
want
to
clarify
when
piece
of
information
that
was
delivered.
The
petition
that
was
presented
by
Ms
Conroy
was
not
in
reference
to
either
the
Pud
or
the
small
scale.
Tech
Amendment
it
was
about
saving
Adventure
Landing,
which
my
understanding
from
everything
that
we've
heard
is
that
Adventure
Landing
is
is,
is
not
it's
not
capable
at
this
point
in
terms
of
the
developers
intentions
for
the
property,
Miss
folding.
Thank.
L
You
mayor
I,
just
had
one
more
follow-up
or
comment.
I
wanted
to
make
I
appreciate
this
Ireland
going
over
the
criteria
that
the
city
council
has
to
consider,
and
we
are,
we
are
legally
required
to
base
our
decisions
on
those
criteria
and
I
would
be
honest
with
you.
I
have
gone
through
our
comp
plan
all
the
way
through
the
comp
plan
and
I've,
looked
for
every
reason.
L
A
J
A
H
A
A
A
Regarding
the
use
of
the
property
of
property
within
the
city,
this
includes
receiving
citizen
input
regarding
the
proposed
use
on
the
neighborhood,
especially
where
the
input
is
fact-based
and
not
a
simple
expression
of
opinion.
It
is
the
applicant's
burden
to
demonstrate
that
their
application
is
consistent
with
the
Land
Development
code
and
the
comprehensive
plan.
If
the
applicant
is
successful
in
showing
consistency,
then
it
is
up
to
the
local
government
to
produce
competence,
essential
evidence
of
records
that
the
application
should
be
denied
the.
E
A
U
Madam
mayor
I,
see,
if
you
have
one
independent,
drives
Suite
1200
I,
sent
to
each
of
you
draft
revisions
to
the
conditions
that
the
staff
have
prepared
staff
prepared
verbatim
amendments
that
were
made
at
the
last
meeting
and
I
took
Liberty
to
add
some
additional
language,
or
at
least
suggest
some
additional
language
to
several
of
those
I
have
heard
copies,
I'm
not
going
to
pass
them
out
right
now,
but
when
we
get
to
the
appropriate
point,
when
we
start
talking
about
conditions,
I
would
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
go
through
them.
U
I
also
have
additional
copies
of
the
site
plan
that
shows
the
location
of
the
trees
that
would
be
preserved,
as
well
as
the
table
that
I
mentioned
previously,
showing
the
rent
levels
based
on
household
income
and
number
of
members
of
each
household
in
unit
size.
So
I'm
not
going
to
pass
those
out
now,
but
whenever
the
appropriate
time
is
I'm
prepared
to
talk
about
those
and
those
again
are
the
same
Executives
that
I
sent
out
by
email,
I
guess
this
weekend
in
advance
this
week.
Thank
you.
A
A
Reaching
conduct
a
meeting
I
forgot
to
say
that
public
hearing
is
not
open.
Thank
you,
Mr
Diva,
now,
I,
don't
have
any
cards
specific
to
this
item.
Come
on
up.
You
can
speak
for
three
minutes.
W
W
Yes,
the
Planning
Commission
didn't
vote
it
down,
but
the
Planning
Commission
was
very
firm
in
their
assertion
that
they
did
not
have
enough
information
to
make
a
decision
on
this.
So,
yes,
it
was
not
voted
down,
but
it
was
clear
the
disdain
of
them
for
not
having
more
information
in
order
to
make
a
decision
and
I
believe
one
of
the
members
of
the
Planning
Commission
is
named
Dave
Dahl.
If
you
go
back
to
the
table,
he
specifically
cites
the
lack
of
time.
W
He
had
again
we
we
can
talk
about
the
amount
of
time
this
amendment
has
been
before,
but
when
it,
when
something's
pulled
back
I,
don't
think
it's
a
planning
commission's
job
to
stay
on
top
of
it
so
that
Gap
in
time
from
from
when
they
previously
presented
it
pulled
it
back
and
then
put
it
together.
It
cannot
be
used.
This
kindly
should
have
been
informed
about
this.
W
If
you
go
back
to
that,
Planning
Commission
tape-
which
all
of
you
should
do
because
at
some
points
it
was
almost
an
embarrassment
to
government,
but
you'll
see
that
there
was
is
a
clear
leader
in
that
meeting
and
that
was
Mr
email.
He
was
able
to
guide
and
kind
of
show
the
meeting
in
a
particular
way.
I
don't
have
any
land
that
I
need
ReSound,
but
I
get
him
because
he's
very
good
at
what
he
does
again.
W
I
know
that
with
the
previous
vote,
this
vote
will
probably
follow
it,
but
those
two
things
were
not
correct:
they
did.
They
thought
the
Planning
Commission
did
cite
a
lack
of
time
to
go
through
the
information.
They
were
not
wanting
to
vote
it
down,
but
they
certainly
were
wanting
more
information
before
they
could
give
it
a
thumbs
up.
So.
W
Unanimously
not
unanimously
between
them.
They
cited
the
fact
that
more
information
we
had
somebody
told
me
one
time
they
only
get
to
sell
this
property
one
time
right.
W
At
someone's
else's
decision,
this
is
you.
This
is
your
opportunity
to
Shake
Jacksonville
Beach.
If
you
think
this
is
what
the
citizens
are
after
and
I,
don't
even
know
who
I'm
kidding,
I
used
to
come
up
here
and
think
I
could
say
you
know
what,
if
you
don't
book
the
way
we
want
we're
going
to
get
the
people
we're.
E
V
My
name's
Lynn
hi
I'm
going
to
look
22
Hobson
Road,
just
like
Mr
Lewis
added
to
Planning
Commission
meeting
Dave
Bell
said
he
only
received
a
package
two
or
three
days
ahead
of
time.
He
had
to
actually
go
to
miss
ironman's
office
and
get
a
copy,
and
he
didn't
have
time
to
thoroughly
review
it.
Greg
Sutton,
who
was
also
on
the
Planning
Commission
they've.
B
V
Greg
Sutton
have
been
on
the
Planning
Commission
for
15
plus
years.
The
other
members
of
the
board
are
newly
newly
elected,
so
were
they
contribute
to
the
original
application?
Who
knows?
I
tried
to
get
the
the
parcel
where
the
church
is
now
currently
in
place,
rezoned
to
put
a
small
office
building
similar
to
the
ones
across
from
the
cemetery
or
behind
Cemetery.
15
years
ago
it
was
denied.
It
was
zoned
residential,
a
new
board
came
through
new
city
council
came
through
now
there's
a
church.
V
There
I
was
denied
that
again,
the
vision
for
the
beach
is
in
your
hands
and
if
you
think
these
changes
are
going
to
make
make
it
better
for
the
citizens-
and
you
know
again,
I
feel
like
we're
up
here,
beating
against
the
dead
tree,
but
I'm
going
to
say
my
peace.
You
know
the
reason
change
to
put
gives
them
high
density,
residential
40
units
per
acre,
the
multi-family
units
over
behind
the
police
station
or
zoned
rld
or
jrm1,
which
allows
8
to
19
units
for
acre.
V
J
V
E
V
That
why
you're
voting
this
way,
because
you're
afraid
of
a
big
pocket
developer,
you
know,
based
on
the
density
he's
you
know,
I
haven't
done.
The
exact
calculations
he's
been
paying
twenty
thousand
dollars
of
the
work
twenty
thousand
dollars
at
home
site.
You
cut
it
in
half
to
a
reasonable
one.
Is
forty
thousand
dollars
a
door?
They
can
still
make
money
if
financial
hardship
or
financial
gaining
has
to
do
with
this.
Thank
you
thank.
E
A
Additional
comments
from
the
planning
department
and
no
and
with
applicant
like
to
respond
to
any
testimony
by
the
staff
or
the
public,
no
okay,
the
public
hearing
is
closed.
Go
forward
testing
a
motion
on
this
ordinance,
beginning
with
myself.
Each
of
the
members
is
requested
to
indicate
for
the
record
both
the
names,
the
names
of
persons
and
the
substance
of
any
ex-party
Communications.
Regarding
this
application
and
ex
parte
communication
refers
to
any
meeting
or
discussion
with
a
person
or
citizen
who
may
have
an
interest
in
this
decision
which
occurred
outside
of
the
public
hearing
process.
A
O
Stokes
we
got
the
same
email
on
the
tele
changes.
S
I
got
the
same
email
and
we've
got
another
email
on
the,
and
we
spoke
on
the
third
as
well
about
the
Amendments
that
were
made
to
the
application
two
Mondays
ago.
C
I
It's
ripples
like
I,
said
before
I
received
that
email.
L
Received
the
same
email
and
I
also
spoke
with
Mr
demon
Al
on
the
phone,
and
we
basically
discussed
the
outstanding
items
that
were
asked
of
the
applicant
to
address
in
this
meeting.
In
particular
the
number
of
units
he
was
going
to
like,
reassess
that
and
see
if
there
was
any
way
to
reduce
the
number
of
units
and
and
then
also
the
looking
into
providing
some
funds
for
towards
the
connection
to
the
the
viewing
platform.
I
A
B
A
S
I'd
like
to
bring
up
to
amend
the
application
to
bring
the
number
of
units
down
to
410..
Second.
A
O
Yeah
at
the
last
meeting
asked
Mr
beanilda
just
kind
of
do
a
little
homework
for
us
and
if
he
has
a
little
report
on
that,
if
not
no,
no
apologies
to
my
teacher.
U
Thank
you,
Mr
Stokes
yeah.
We
were
asked
a
couple
of
questions.
One
of
them
was
about
the
number
of
units
and
we
have
based
on
our
review.
We
can
reduce
the
415
units
and
that's
the
number
that
that
we're
comfortable,
reducing
to
again
all
overstated
a
little
bit.
We
feel
like
it's
almost
just
a
like
almost
a
gift
because
we're
underneath
the
40
units
per
acre
limit
that
the
comprehensive
plan
sets,
but
we
also
understand
the
sensitivity.
So,
from
our
perspective,
we
would
agree
to
415.
S
I
understand
where
the
residents
are
coming
from
your
frustration.
The
I
moved
here
because
I,
like
the
small
Town
feel
of
it
as
well.
I
also
am
sensitive
to
the
lack
of
housing,
specifically
affordable
housing
which
I'll
get
to
in
the
area,
and
if
we
were
to
try
and
put
any
housing
anywhere
at
the
beach.
This
is
the
most
logical
place
to
put
it
with
the
exception
of
at
the
end
of
JTV,
but
that's
all
taken
already.
S
G
P
S
And
try
and
get
it
to
be
as
much
of
a
win
win-ish
situation
as
we
can,
which
is
why
I'm
proposing
the
415,
which
is
down
20
something
unit
427.
So
it's
down
12.
down
12
units
because
it
was
a
470
something
but
I've
never
seen
that
number.
So
it's
down
12
units,
yeah
we've
been
the
number
of
units
here
and
then
we'll
bring
in
the
number
of
bedrooms
and
affordable
housing.
Thank
you.
Mr
Stokes
yeah.
O
Thanks
Mr
David
are
we
still
okay
with
seven
percent
on
the
affordable
housing
at
4,
15.
U
U
So
you,
where
you
were
saying,
20
ish,
that's
that's
the
true
number
in
terms
of
the
reduction
it's
12
based
on
what
was
approved
last
time,
but
overall,
probably
21
or
22
from
the
max
Tennessee
on
the
site,
which
is
about
you
know,
plus
or
minus
the
five
percent
production,
but
Mr
Sexy
at
seven
percent
based
on
415
is,
is
and
I've
done,
half
of
the
number
of
units,
but
that
that's
acceptable.
O
I,
just
I
just
did,
and
so
my
my
big
thing
is:
affordable
housing,
Workforce
housing,
gentlemen
over
here
kind
of,
took
a
little
out
of
context
developed.
You
know
we
we've
got
to
have
the
carrot
in
the
stick
and
I
believe
in
in
getting
the
the
carrot
for
Workforce
housing.
O
I've
said
it
for
gosh
a
year
now
so
anyway,
at
seven
percent
of
427
is
29.
28
9,
hoping
you
would
round
up
to
30.
seven
percent
of
415
is
29.0,
are
five
units
hoping
that
we
could
keep
it
at
30
and
maybe
change
the
seven
percent
to
30,
Workforce
or
affordable
housing
units.
U
Yeah,
however,
the
amount
yeah
30
units
is
fine
and
whatever
the
math
is.
If
you
want
to
change
the
percentage
or
you
want
to
just
say,
seven
percent
and
Roundup
on
partial
units,
whatever
it
is
to
get
to
30.
That
would
be
fine,
okay
and
and
I
know.
I
noticed
that
the
dispersed
language
was
included
as
well
from
the
last
or
the
interest
first
languages
included
from
the
last
Amendment
as
well,
and
that
certainly
we
would
agree
with
that.
That
would
agree
with
that
said.
Yes,.
M
S
Tomorrow,
well,
since
we
jumped
over
to
the
affordable
housing
from
the
number
of
units
for
affordable
housing,
you
also
noted
that
would
only
be
one
and
two
bedroom
apartments
and
I
requested
you
to
look
into
three
bedroom
apartments,
because
there
are
families
out
there
who
have
two
kids
right.
U
So
and
again,
the
process
I
think
maybe
will
have
to
be
a
good
I'll
answer
the
question,
but
the
process
in
terms
of
how
to
get
it
on
there
I
think
you
would
ask
us
to
see
if
we
could
do
a
couple
of
three
bedroom
units,
we
can
do
four
three
bedroom
units.
Originally
we
had
planned
zero,
but
but
four
three
bedroom
units
is
one.
Is
it
a
request
that
we
can
that
we
can
accommodate
even
with
the
reduction
to
415
units
and
I?
U
Don't
we're
not
going
to
tie
specific
bedrooms
to
Affordable
criteria,
but
with
three
bedrooms
will
be
available
for
affordable
units
if
they're
released
that
way,
so
they
won't
be
held
out
specifically,
but
they'll
be
in
I
have
the
opportunity
everyone
have
the
opportunity
to
reach
those
as
well
I'm
trying
to
participate
other
questions.
You
may
have
it's
a.
L
So
Miss
Ireland
is
the
top
plan
policy.
Lu
1.5.6
talks
about
Community
commercial
and
to
Ms
dumont's
point
the
parcels
on
Beach
Boulevard
within
one
block
of
designated
mass
transit
routes.
L
L
L
C
E
B
A
A
Motion
carries
back
to
the
original
motion
as
amended
Miss.
S
To
note
that
the
for,
instead
of
doing
the
percentage
or
do
the
seven
percent
of
Roundup
with
30
units
will
be
based
off
the
project
number,
the
Florida
Hub
numbers
for
affordable
housing
within
that
unit
and
of
those
affordable
housing
units,
at
least
four
will
be
three
bedroom
units
interspersed
throughout
the
development.
A
S
A
I
I
think
that
Mr
juvenile
said
that
they
would
have
three
I
mean
four
three
bed
units
throughout
it
that
were
not
tied
to
the
I
mean
that
he
he
had
said
that
they
would
be
all
right
with
that.
So
I'm,
okay,
with
having
three
bedroom
units
and
four
three
bedroom
units
throughout
the
throughout
the
complex
and
if
they
fall
into
this
category.
Fine,
but
I,
don't
think
those
three
bedroom
units
needed
to
be
tied
to
the.
U
So
just
I
mean
for
folks
that
are
watching
the
reason
that
I'm
talking
now
is
because
it's
a
contract
Zone
and
it's
on.
We
have
to
reach
a
meeting
at
the
minds
of
the
amendment.
In
order
for
the
for
the
for
the
reasoning
to
be
effective,
so
yeah,
we,
we
will
hold
out
four
units
as
three
bedroom
units,
but
we
don't
want
to
just
dedicate
those
Sports
being
affordable
units,
so
we
would
agree
with
before
we
would
agree
with
30
units
being
how
that
was
affordable.
U
We
would
agree
to
throughout
the
the
development
four
of
the
units
being
three
bedroom
units,
but
we
don't,
it
may
be
all
four
of
them
become
affordable
or
maybe
that
none
of
them
become
affordable,
we'd
like
to
leave
it
up
to
the
property
manager
to
decide
what
becomes
available
for
for
what
uses.
So
the
first
part
of
your
motion,
the
30
units
we
are
happy
with
that.
That
would
be
fun.
U
The
four
the
four
three
bedroom
units
were
fine
without
just
not
putting
them
together
all
in
the
same
bucket,
because
then
it
gives
the
maximum
flexibility
for
the
manager
to
utilize.
Some,
however,
appropriate.
It's.
S
Two
months,
thank
you
just
so
I'm
clear.
So
that
means.
S
U
Be
I,
don't
know,
they'll
be
inters
first
throughout
the
property,
so
that
then
I
thought.
That
was
a
really
good
suggestion,
so
they
won't
always
be
in
One
Wing
of
one
building
they're,
all
in
one
building,
they'll
be
dispersed
throughout
throughout
the
property,
but
I
don't
know
the
answer
on
how
they
will
be
allocated.
It's
probably
going
to
be
Market
driven.
U
You
know
the
first
30
people
there
that
want
to
do
it
to
qualify,
probably
are
going
to
get
the
first
opportunity
to
lease
those
units
and
if
the
you
know,
and
out
of
the
first
30
people,
the
four
of
them
are
three
bedroom
unit.
They
want
they
desire
three
bedrooms,
then
that
would
be
you
know
who
they
would
go
to,
but
I
I
don't
know
how
to
manage
and
I.
Don't
know
how
we
could
create
a
condition
that
would
you
know
deal
with
the
issue
that
I
think
you're
you're
seeking
to
address.
U
If
you
I
mean
if
you
wanted
to
reserve
one
three-bedroom
unit
as
part
of
the
30
I
get
I,
guess
we
could
do
that,
but
but
more
than
that
I
just
don't
know
I'd.
Rather,
let
the
management
of
the
of
the
of
the
property
and
figure
out
what
the
best
way
is
to
do.
U
H
U
E
U
There's
a
there
are:
there
are
as
many
people
at
different
size,
families
that
are
affordable.
One
of
the
things
we
talked
about
the
last
meeting
was
how
unusual
it
was
Jacksonville.
Beach
does
not
have
a
large
population
of
married
families
with
kids
relative
to
other
parts
of
the
region,
and
so
that's
why
this
the
demographics
for
this
property
excuse
towards
one
and
two
bedroom
needs.
U
If
there
was
a
huge
market
for
families
and
kids,
then
you
probably
see
more
units
in
here
that
are
free
bedrooms
or
larger,
but
just
holding
those
four
within
the
30
I
think
would
be
I.
Think
that
would
be
again
and
every
then
everyone
would
know
if
you
have
the
three
bedroom
unit,
you're
an
affordable
person,
so
it
kind
of
defeats
the
purpose
of
the
interspersed
concept.
So
again,
repetitive:
I
I,
we
agree
with
the
the
30
units.
We
agree,
the
the
four
or
three
bedroom
units,
just
not
combining
them
into
the
same.
O
And
and
Miss
Robinson
would
probably
have
more
insight,
but
I
think
wouldn't
it
the
was
it
fair
housing
standards
act
and
in
renting
there
is
I
mean
you
can't
you
can't
just
rent
Studios
as
affordable
housing,
because
it's
a
it's
a
violent
I'm,
pretty
sure.
That's
a
violation
if
you
have
interspersed
but
I
could
be
wrong,
but
I
just
remember
from
when
I
was
running
Apartments
it
was
there's
I
mean
it's
pretty
detailed.
U
I
Amendment
to
just
address
the
the
percentage
for
the
total
number
of
affordable
housing-
that's
going
to
be
in
there
and
then
we
can
address
the
other
one
I
would
think
separately.
So
my
amendment
is
going
to
be
that
the
the
applicant
will
supply
30,
total,
affordable
units
within
the.
A
A
A
second
basically
to
eliminate
the
the
for
the
reference
to
the
four
three
bedrooms
in
Miss
dumont's
Amendment.
Any
discussion.
A
A
I
A
F
A
A
Yes,
mayor
Hoffman,
yes,
and
then
it
passes
any
other
amendments.
Mr
Stokes,
yeah,.
O
I
would
like
to
okay
I
gotta
I
want
I
got.
What
I
want
to
do
is
better
tie
see
to
the
affordable
housing
statute.
So
please
City
attorney
help
me
if
I
to
get
this
right.
So
the
developer
shall
make
30
units
of
the
total
residential
apartment
units
available
for
rent
as
affordable
from
time
to
time,
in
accordance
with
section
420.0004.
O
Statutes
for
15
years
so
long
as
the
residential
units
are
made
available
for
rent
and
those
units
shall
be
interspersed
throughout
the
project.
It
says
the
second
part
of
rent
shall
be
governed
in
accordance
with
low
income
limits
and
rent
limits
for
multi-family
rental
programs
based
with
Florida
Statutes.
Does
that
need
to
go
into
the
cost
of
the
document
so
that
affordable
is
defined.
P
But
that's
one
of
the
proposed
changes
that
Mr
DNL
suggested
by
his
email
earlier
today.
It's
a
little
bit
more
succinctly
stated.
P
Were
looking
over
these
proposed
amendments,
we
determined
they
were
not
really
necessary
and
really
sort
of
created
a
level
of
specificity
that
made
it
more
difficult
for
us
to
be
able
to
Monitor
and
to
make
them
accountable,
So,
based
on
the
way
the
council,
in
terms
of
paragraphs,
seem
to
be
in
its
last
meeting,
we
think
is
sufficient
and
then
really
all
of
those
details
as
to
how
we
get
to
the
place
where
we
can
determine
whether
and
have
within
at
least
the
criteria
of
affordable
housing
that
would
be
made
in-house
on-site
as
long
as
it's
in
accordance
with
the
former
statute,
that's
cited.
O
D
Just
before
that,
and
they
make
a
motion
to
have
to
move
forward
at
the
four
or
three
bedroom.
D
A
E
S
F
F
A
Yes,
motion
carries
me,
then
it
passes
Mr,
Stokes,
okay,.
O
So,
on
G
the
on
the
walkway
and
viewing
platform
last
time
there
was
not
the
developers
offer
of
a
contribution
of
twenty
five
thousand
dollars
towards
the
design,
and
if
it
was
please
correct
me
but
I,
don't
think
that
was
in
there
last
time.
So
do
I
need
to
make
a
motion
on
on.
That
is.
U
That
there
last
time
but
I'm
sure
no,
we
we
were
honest-
that
was
one
of
our
homework
assignments
that
we
were
given
when
we,
when
we
left,
which
was
what
could?
What
could
the
developer,
contribute
to
the
to
the
development
of
the
connection
from
shutter
Avenue?
If
that
connection
ever
was
achieved
and
I
didn't
go
into
this
in
great
detail,
but
really
the
the
first
way
the
developer
contributed
to
that
connection
being
possible
was
by
requiring
the
property.
U
So
we
acquired
that
30
acres
for
about
three
hundred
thousand
dollars
which
allows
that
connection
to
take
place
and
we've
committed,
as
it
says,
already
to
the
building,
a
a
walkway
and
a
viewing
platform,
South
perpendicular
to
shutter,
and
so
what
we
did
with
the
homework
is
we
tried
to
think
of
a
way
that
we
could
contribute
to
the
effort
coming
from
shutter
to
to
make
the
connection
so
we'll
provide
the
easements
we'll
Provide
support
permitting
and
then
what
we
also
said
is
that
once
a
commercially
reasonable
easement
permits
the
connection,
we
would
contribute
25
000
towards
the
design
and
permitting
of
the
connection
again.
U
That
would
be
after
we
have
an
easement
that
we've
negotiations
and
I'm
not
sure
if
these
has
to
come
to
city
council,
but
if
it
does,
then
we
would
come
up
with
that
easement
as
well
as
contribute
that
amount
once
the
easements
in
place.
So
the
last
sentence
of
paragraph
G
is:
is
that
expression
of
that
offer
the
sentence
above
that,
where
I
add
additional
languages
just
clarifying
language
and
if
the
City
attorney
doesn't
think
it's
necessary,
I'm,
okay,
with
it
being
out,
but
but
I
just
added
I
couldn't
help
myself.
U
I
just
happened
to
clarify
the
intense
of
that
of
that
condition.
P
Yes,
with
respect
to
the
additional
language
where
it's
is
obligation
and
comma
to
permit
a
city-sponsor
connection
and
provide
commercially
reasonable,
reasonable
easements,
that's
actually
repetitive
of
the
sentence
that
precedes
it
and
so
I.
Don't
believe
that
particular
sentence
is
necessary.
So
I'm
saying,
if
counsel
is
entertaining
the
addition
to
just
be
the.
U
P
Correct
and
I
would
also
just
suggest,
based
on
the
world,
which
are
mostly
reasonable.
Easings
we've
been
using
that
in
terms
of
activity
taken
prior
to
this
particular
provision,
and
maybe
we
can
Define
what
that
is
or
what
will
not
be.
That
will
be
very
helpful
in
terms
of
accountability
and
enforce
ability.
So.
H
You
mean
commercially
reasonable.
P
H
P
Need
to
have
something
in
place
that
at
least
frames
what
the
expectation
is
on
the
back
end
of
this,
because
up
until
this
point
in
time
there
was
a
parcel
to
be
granted
to
the
city,
but
for
the
purposes
of
the
sign
and
now
we're
talking
about
enhancement.
So
we
just
want
something.
So
this
is.
This
is
for
the
walkway
I'm.
U
Sorry,
this
is
for
the
losses.
That's
okay,
I
understand
where
you're
going
and
I
think
that
what
what
I
I
think
in
the
context
of
the
walkway,
it
would
be
adoption
by
the
city
council
of
a
commercially
reasonable
access,
Eastman,
maybe
Edward
I
access
easement,
because
what
you're,
what
the
city
would
be
trying
to
do
would
be
cross
the
property
that
that
we
own
and
then
access
the
the
viewing
platform.
P
P
U
That
I
I
think
that
we,
the
reasonable
Minds,
would
reach
a
conclusion
that
would
yield
an
easement
I
I,
don't
I,
don't
know
it's
that's.
Why
that's
why?
Those
those
words
are
they're
terms
of
art,
I
mean
it.
It
doesn't
say
best
efforts,
it
doesn't
say,
try
hard.
U
E
H
U
U
So,
for
example,
you
know
the
best
example
for
this
situation
would
be.
We
have
to
modify
our
conservations
in
order
to
allow
the
connection
across
our
land
and
we're
gonna.
We're
gonna
use
our
commercially
reasonable
efforts
to
go.
Modify
these
to
modify
our
constellations
to
allow
that
to
happen.
We
want
the
connection
to
happen.
So
if
the
Water
Management
District
denies
us,
then
there's
no
commercially
reasonable
way
for
us
to
provide
an
easement
to
the
city,
because
we've
been
denied
by
the
Water
Management
industry,
so
I
I
mean
again
I
I.
U
That's
used
in
real
estate
transactions
pretty
routinely
and
it's
not
putting
one
side
or
the
other
at
a
disadvantage.
It's
basically
saying
we're
going
to
work
together
to
try
to
get
this
done.
I
hope
another
language,
if
you
want
to,
if
you
have
something
other
than
commercially
reasonable,
but
I,
don't
know,
I,
think
the
record
that
we're
creating
today
would
also
probably
be
a
part
of
that
conversation.
So.
E
U
We're
comfortable
with
that
language
and
if
there's
other
language,
you
want
to
propose
we're
happy
to
react
to
it,
but
I
I
think
that
that
language,
combined
with
this
record,
would
reveal
that
we're
going
to
try
as
any
reasonable
developer
with
to
try
and
get
it
done.
We
do
want
the
connection.
U
E
M
D
H
Not
an
attorney
and
I
just
have
holiday
in
express
last
night,
but
I'm
wondering
if
the
term
commercially
reasonable.
It
makes
sense
to
be
in
there
if
it
should
just
be
upon
negotiation
and
adoption
by
the
city
council
of
an
easement
permitting
the
connection
from
sugar
out
I,
don't
know
if
it
makes
more
sense
to
just
use
it
as
easement.
U
U
We
need
something
in
there
to
modify
whatever
the
developer
has
to
take,
because
it's
not
a
do
it
at
all
costs.
This
isn't
a.
Z
H
S
One
foreign
thank
you,
I
could
see
connection
provide
a
reasonable
easement,
I'm
uncomfortable
with
the
commercially
the
I
understand
your
your
clients
position
on
this.
You
don't
want
a
five
million
dollar
fight
with
the
water
district
too,
and
then
25
000.
On
top
of
that
to
help
go
through
it
I
understand
that,
but
from
how
I'm
looking
at
it.
S
This
was
one
of
the
selling
points
that
we
could
give
to
our
residents
that
we
are
connecting
the
the
urban
trail
with
a
viewing
platform
out
there,
and
my
concern
here
is
this-
is
an
out
where
you
don't.
You
know
if
it's
not
commercially
reasonable,
that
the
one
of
the
few
carrots
that
we
have
for
the
residents
will
never
come
to
fruition.
E
F
O
F
S
Passes
Miss
Dumont
yeah
I'd
like
to
make
an
amendment
about
the
sign
and
what
but
Miss
Robinson
was
talking
about
with
easements
again.
S
There
was
going
to
be
the
through
a
Perpetual
easement
and
a
mutually
agreed
upon
location
for
the
welcome
sign
to
Jacksonville
Beach
versus
the
easement
that
was
going
to
have
to
be
agreed
upon.
S
U
U
So
there
is
on
the
site
plan
in
the
upper
left-hand
Corner
out
of
the
North
in
the
northwest
corner
of
the
site
plan,
there's
a
square
that
says
sign,
parcel
or
all
commercial
or
iconic
entry
future
parcel
that
easement
will
be
located
somewhere
in
that
facility
that
that's
the
that
is
I,
think
what
this
condition
e
clarifies
that
it
would
be
somewhere
in
that
general
assembly
and
the
language.
Certainly,
we
would
agree
with
it
the
way
that
it
was
sitting
in
the
universe.
U
E
S
Just
wanted
to
clarify
that
section
g
when
we
would
say
to
provide
commercially
when
we
remove
commercially
reasonable
easements,
that
commercially
reasonable
easements
have
removed
from
the
whole
section,
not
just
the
one
amended
line.
Does
that
need
to
go
through
a
new
Amendment,
because
it's
it's
in
the
original
language,
as
well
as
the
amended
one.
It.
E
S
E
P
I
saw
that
and
if
you
want
to
do
that
consistently
throughout,
you
can,
however,
the
order
or
the
obligation
is
going
for
a
was
in
that
last
sentence,
which
was
adopted
tonight
with
the
references
that
are
made
earlier
in
that
particular
paragraph
that
could
serve
the
developer,
to
sort
of
suggest
that
the
extent
to
which
reasonable
easiness
would
be
permitted
or
required.
We
need
those
that
are
commercially
reasonable,
so
it
does
put
some
framework
to
it,
but
the
obligation
arises
under
the
language
that
was
actually
adopted.
S
U
I
think
that
the
conversation
here
today
has
provided
enough
of
a
record
that
if
anyone
wanted
to
go
back
and
look
at
it,
that
neither
side
is
trying
to
get
an
advantage
over
the
other
we
own
it
we're
going
to
be
reasonable
when
we
get
to
this
requirement
and
and
so
taking
out
the
term
commercially
in
that
one
of
the
rotation
in
paragraph
G,
we
would
agree
to
that,
in
the
spirit
of
the
conversation
without
I
think
it's
clear
from
the
record
that
we're
trying
to
all
get
the
same
place.
U
A
N
F
S
E
S
P
Obviously,
if
the
developer
isn't
there
to
be
required
to
perform
those
Services,
those
particular
times
I
think
would
expire,
but
I'm
happy
to
look
into
that
more
closely
and
to
answer
that
question
for
you
at
a
later
time,
though
yeah
if
I
may.
U
President,
no,
the
the
the
rezonings
of
Jacksonville
Beach
are
recorded,
and
so
they
run
to
the
land,
and
so
this
this
obligation.
U
This
creates
a
zoning
District
on
the
property
for
anybody
that
owns
the
property,
so
our
our
viewers,
whether
we
all
could
keep
it
for
100
years
or
whether
we
sell
it
tomorrow,
these
requirements
are
are
on
land
and
anyway,
if
there
was
any
effort
to
change
them,
the
the
property
owner,
whoever
it
might
be,
would
have
to
come
back
and
position
the
city
council
to
change
them
so
that
that's
our
view
on
it
that
they
all
of
these
obligations
run
to
the
land
and
so
that
again,
that's
our
mission.
That's
how
we're
approaching.
E
U
Right
yeah,
they
don't,
unlike
a
a
zoning
exception,
or
a
variance
in
some
jurisdictions
where,
if
you
don't
start
within
here,
they
disappear
and
or
in
other
cities
like
in
Jacksonville,
you
don't
record
designing
it's
just
part
of
the
public
records
in
Jacksonville
at
least
you
record
the
zoning
and
it
clouds
title
for
good
or
bad
forever.
A
S
U
It's
like,
if
I
could
mirror
there's
there's
one
other
revision
at
the
end
of
their
happy
about
the
the
two-year
notice
and
the
two
years
thereafter
to
build
and
I
just
like
to
get
attorney.
Robinson's
opinion
on
that
is
that
a
duplicative
language,
in
your
opinion,
the
language
that
I
wrote
there
or
does
that
need
to
be
adopted
as
a
part
of
paragraphy,
the
additional
language?
U
A
No,
we
passed
that
final.
I
Message:
okay,
I
I
just
wanted
to
make
a
couple
comments.
First
of
all,
in
order
to
deny
this
I
mean
we
have
to
have
substantial
and
compelling
fact-based
reasons,
and
you
know
in
the
it's
very
easy
to
say:
hey
I,
don't
want
this.
One
I
feel
like
it's
going
to
be.
It's
gonna
be
too
congested
traffic,
wise!
It's
it's
not
within
our
our
purview.
It
is
our
responsibility
to
act
within
the
city's
requirements
for
approval
or
denial
of
this
and
then
from
a
the
planning
and
zoning
committee.
I
know
I'm.
I
Sorry,
I
do
I
read
through
first
thing,
but
too
close
I
just
wanted
to
respond
briefly
and
just
say:
yes,
there
was
an
individual
that
was
saying
that
he
needed
he
wanted
more
time
he
did
have
minor
changing
is
that
he
did
have
the
information
for
13
days
before
and.
I
A
L
I
get
some
clarification
on
the
last
question.
Regard
well,
Mr
deed,
now
brought
up
the
language
that
last
underlined.
Edition
and
e
I.
Don't
know
that
I
understood
Ms
Robinson,
but
I.
Don't
think
that
was
added
in
the
notion
that
was
made.
So
were
you
thinking
that
that
was
in
the
motion.
P
What
we
wanted
to
make
sure
is
that
there
was
at
least
two
years
carved
out
for
us
to
act,
and
we
thought
by
adding
the
word
additional
in
there
after
it
made
clear
that
those
two
years
would
not
overlap
in
any
way,
but
that
language
was
based
on
the
discussion
that
took
place
at
the
last
council
meeting
and
before
Council
approved
that
Amendment.
It
was
just
simply
to
make
it
more
clear,
but.
L
I
think
Mr
deep
house
question
was
in
regard
to
the
underlying
portion
that,
in
between
it
says
this
obligation
will
last
for
two
years
to
notify
the
developer
and
then
the
underlying
portion
of
the
city's
intent
to
proceed
with
the
welcome
sign
or
iconic
entry
feature.
He
was
asking
if
that
language
should
be
added,
because.
P
He
had
proposed
that
be
added
for
clarification
and
I
understood
this
question
to
be
what
their
parents
duplicitous
and
repented
Independence
so
again,
based
on
the
facts
that
I've
tried
to
summarize
I
didn't
think
it
was
duplicitous.
It
was
necessary
to
be
more
clear,
but
that's
again
based
on
my
understanding
of
his
particular
question.
Okay,.
L
P
I
was
looking
at
the
original
language
and
so
again
I
based
on
internal
conversations
before
this
meeting
tonight
we
looked
at
it
in
terms
of
whether
it
was
actually
needed.
So
I
went
to
council
to
determine
whether
it's
better
to
have
it
in
that
particular
provision
or
not,
but
we
didn't
see
any
need
for
it.
Okay,.
S
I
want
to
thank
all
the
residents
who
were
here,
and
you
made
it
to
a
long
meeting
and
I
know
that
this
has
been
a
over
a
year-long
project
with
a
lot
of
emotion
attached
to
it,
because
it's
on
the
Adventure
Landing
land
I
understand
that
I
appreciate
that,
but
also
legally
with
what
we're
required
to
do.
S
I
I
believe
that
Council
has
gotten
to
a
place
where
residents
are
getting
something
out
of
this,
whereas
you
know
it
could
be
where
you
got
nothing
but
I
believe
we've
gotten
to
a
decent
place
that
will
meet
some
of
the
needs
of
the
residents,
not
all
of
them,
some
of
them
and
as
well
as
with
the
applicant
who
did
give
up.
A
S
T
S
About
this
be
upset
and
be
involved
in
the
LDC
and
the
comp
plan,
because
it's
how
they
are
currently
written
is
why
we
are
our
hands
are
bound
to
why
this
is
passing
this
way
so
be
involved.
We
are
doing
doing
it
right
now,
so
please
be
involved
and
make
sure
that
the
comp
plan
reflects
really
how
you
see
the
city
developing
over
the
next
15
and
30
years.
A
L
F
Q
L
To
our
bedtimes
at
least
me
anyway,
they
often
would
like
me
to
just
go
ahead
and
do
the
staff
before
it
first
yeah,
please,
okay,
so
the
property
that
that
is
the
subject
of
this
rezoning
application
is
already
zoned
at
Redevelopment,
District
or
Rd.
So
this
is
an
RD
Amendment
application
for
what
is
referred
to
as
the
dolphin
Depot
property.
It
was
rezoned
originally
in
2012
and
then
amended
in
16
and
17
to
clarify
some
of
the
uses.
However,
there
is
a
new
owner:
that's
developing
the
property
which
is
Trivago.
L
They
do
have
a
vested
height
of
68
feet
based
on
a
settlement
agreement
with
the
courts
back
from
when
the
height
was
done
in
2004
and
the
community
of
given
to
the
details
of
the
project,
but
I'm
kind
of
skipping
ahead.
The
CRA
and
the
Planning
Commission
reviewed
the
applications,
application
in
September
and
October
respectively,
and
both
recommended
approval
just
a
refresher
in
case
this
is
a
new
project
to
you.
The
location
is
directly
to
the
west
of
where
Margaritaville
is
so
First.
Avenue.
L
Excuse
me:
First,
Street,
North,
2nd,
Street,
North,
7th
Avenue
and
6th
Avenues
North.
So
it
is
almost
the
entirety
of
the
block
here.
About
three
quarters
of
the
block
is
the
project
area?
It's
been
vacant
for
quite
some
time,
so
as
it
as
it
is
approved.
Now
it
is
a
mixed
use:
commercial,
commercial,
commercial
project,
approved
by
Council
in
2017
for
a
project
consisting
of
57
hotel
rooms,
57
apartments
and
approximately
2500
square
feet
of
commercial
at
a
height
of
65
feet
and
the
parking
to
be
provided
for
the
requirements
of
the
Land
Development
code.
L
Now
that
there
is
a
new
property
owner,
they
are
requesting
to
amend
the
Rd
zoning
to
better
clarify
the
commercial
uses
and
in
staff's
opinion,
the
project
is
more
consistent
with
the
downtown
Redevelopment
plan
and
the
central
business
district.
Zoning
requirements
of
open
commercial
on
6th
Avenue
North.
L
So
some
more
details
on
what
they're
requesting
is
a
same
number
of
hotel
and
apartments
at
57
and
54
respect
effectively
with
four
thousand
square
feet
of
restaurant
as
part
of
the
hotel
and
an
additional
thousand
square
feet
of
retail
space,
both
running
on
Sixth
Avenue
North,
the
building
footprint
and
elevation
remain
mostly
unchanged
and
again,
parking
is
fully
provided
for
the
requirements
of
the
Land
Development
code.
So
this
is
the
amended
site
plan.
L
The
portion
that
is
highlighted
in
yellow
is
the
area
where
they
are
requesting
the
the
primary
changes
again
to
clarify
the
commercial
uses
which
you'll
see
in
the
project
narrative.
The
previous
project
narrative
just
said,
essentially
2500
square
feet
of
commercial
and
did
not
provide
the
level
of
detail
that
is
in
this
current
application.
Clear
we're,
clarifying
or
better
clarifying
the
uses
and
providing
this
active
commercial
space
here
along
6th
Avenue
North.
L
This
is
the
elevation
in
the
application
again
essentially
unchanged
from
what
was
approved
in
2017,
we've
provided
just
a
slight
updated
version
of
this
elevation.
So
this
is
the
South
elevation
again
from
6th
Avenue
North,
the
community
redevelopment
agency
and
the
Planning
Commission.
Again
did
recommend
approval
of
the
application
on
following
staff
report.
L
The
CRA
did
recommend
to
consider
that
the
applicant
consider
two
items
and
that
is
a
fabricant
would
identify
opportunities
to
visually,
enhance
the
First
Street
side
of
the
building,
that's
again
directly
across
from
Margaritaville
with
some
sort
of
art
or
lighting
feature
along
First
Street,
and
also
that
The
Advocate
reviews
the
site
plan
for
opportunities
to
relocate
the
dumpster
from
its
proposed
location,
which
is
right
about
here
and
I.
Believe
and.
L
A
You
will
you
read
the
ordinance
by
title.
A
E
A
A
A
quasi-judicial
proceeding,
a
quasi-judice
Judicial
proceeding,
means
that
a
governing
body
is
now
functioning
in
a
manner
similar
to
a
court
with
the
American
Council
sitting
as
impartial
decision
makers,
hearing
testimony
and
questioning
presenters,
who
wants
to
provide
substantial
and
competent
evidence
to
support
their
side
of
the
issue.
It
is
the
duty
of
the
council
to
arrive
at
sound
decisions
regarding
the
use
of
property
within
the
city.
This
includes
receiving
citizen
input
regarding
the
proposed
use
on.
P
A
Code
and
the
comprehensive
plan,
if
the
applicant
is
successful
in
showing
consistency,
then
it
is
up
to
local
government
to
produce
competent,
substantial
evidence
of
record
that
the
application
should
be
denied.
The
council's
decision
on
an
RD
resounding
application
is
based
on
the
criteria
set
forth
in
section
34-347c3i
of
the
Land
Development
code,
each
member
of
the
council
has
been
provided
a
copy
of
this
criteria.
In
addition,
the
council
has
received
a
copy
of
the
application
and
the
staff
Planning
Commission
and
community
redevelopment
educations
Redevelopment
agency
recommendations
on
this
rezoning
request.
U
Madam
chair,
thank
you
again.
Cd
and
I
wanted
to
drive
to
Suite
1200,
so
on
waffle
Depot,
we
have
a
pretty
exhaustive
conversation
about
the
CRA
and
the
Planning
Commission.
We
talked
about
things
regarding
height
setback
uses
the
mix
of
uses
parking.
All
of
those
issues
stem
from
a
court
settlement
regarding
this
property
for
many
years
ago,
and
so
what
we've
done
here
is
we
have
adhered
to
the
court
order,
as
well
as
the
prior
rezonings
in
virtually
all
respects,
except
for
one,
and
that
is
along
Sixth,
Avenue
North.
U
Our
belief
was
that
along
6th
Avenue
North
that
basically,
this
design
I
don't
know
if
the
original
plan
is
in
here.
Oh.
U
U
There
were
two
main
conversations
at
both
levels
below
one
was
about
First
Street
and
the
anxiety
about
what
First
Street
would
look
like.
We
share
that
anxiety.
We
think
it
is
not
the
ideal
design.
Unfortunately,
we
can't
go
back
and
achieve
the
project
consistent
with
the
court
order
and
the
priority
zones
by
rearranging
the
way
the
buildings
are
on
the
site.
So
what
we
committed
to
do
on
First
Street
is
that
we
will
do
some
type
of
screen.
U
Some
type
of
a
facade,
I,
don't
know
if
it's
going
to
be
a
green
wall,
I,
don't
know
if
it's
going
to
be
Neon,
Lights
I,
don't
know
if
it'll
be
a
mural,
but
something
to
activate
First
Street
with
the
saw
along
First
Street
is
something
that
we
support
and
that
we
want
to
have
accomplished.
We
simply
haven't
had
enough
time
to
bring
you
a
design
and
show
it
to
you.
U
So
to
the
extent
that
you
would
like
to
add
language
requiring
us
to
do
some
type
of
a
facade
along
First
Street,
we're
all
for
that.
That
was
issue
number
one
issue
number
two
was
this
dumpster,
and
so
we
had
folks
from
over
here
in
these
units.
Basically
asking
us:
can
you
get
rid
of
this
stuff
so
that
dumpster?
U
The
reason
that's
great
is
that's
been
on
the
side
plane
since
it
was
originally
approved
in
2012.,
and
so
we
commended
that
the
Planning
Commission
that
we
would
look
at
it
and
we'd
try
to
figure
out
a
way
to
get
to
get
rid
of
that
dumpster
or
to
move
it
to
the
interior
of
the
property
and
so
I'm
going
to
pass
out.
If
I
can
I'll
just
pass
out
a
site
plan
that
captures
that
foreign.
U
Hasn't
been
reviewed
by
public
works,
it
hasn't
been
reviewed
by
anyone
at
the
city,
so
I
I,
don't
think
and
I
think
director,
Ireland
and
I
swept
earlier.
B
U
Over
the
next
two
weeks,
or
so,
the
staff
can
have
a
chance
to
look
at
it,
make
sure
that
it
still
meets
all
the
other
requirements.
But
basically,
what
we've
done
is
we've
taken
this
dumpster
here
and
we've
moved
it
from
here
to
right
here
to
the
interior
of
the
property
so
again
moving
the
dumpster
on
the
big
screen
from
here
to
this
location,
and
so
when
you
look
at
the
side
plan
that
that's
really
where
you
should
be
focusing
on
is
the
interior
of
the
property.
What
that
does
is
it?
U
It
takes
the
dumpster
off
of
the
Main
Street
off
of
off
of
second
and
moves
into
a
place,
that's
more
interior
or
better
screened.
So
so
perhaps
the
condition
would
be
something
that
says
the
developer
shall
moved
the
dumpster
from
Second
Street
North
to
the
interior
of
the
property,
and
then,
by
the
time
we
come
back
in
two
weeks,
we'll
have
a
site
plan.
U
U
Main
issues
both
of
which
well
the
first
of
which
we
agreed
to
immediately
and
we
will
Design
something
that's
spectacular
along
First
Street.
The
second
one
took
us
a
little
time
to
do
our
homework,
but
we
found
an
alternative
and
that's
reflective
on
the
site
plan
and
those
are
the
main
issues
that
I
wanted
to
discuss,
happy
to
talk
about
anything
else
or
any
other
concerns.
Thank.
A
You
Mr
eat.
Now
we
do
have
for
the
public
hearing
Mr
Gary
Patel.
If
you'd
like
to
come
up
and
address
the
council.
Z
Finally,
over
Circle,
you
have
to
speak
mayor
of
council
members.
I
just
wanted
to
talk
about
architectural
design
and
Aesthetics.
For
a
moment,
good
design
is
not
just
the
building
itself,
but
how
a
building
fits
within
its
fabric.
It's
an
environment
along
First
Street
we've
got
a
very
difficult
situation.
Z
Unfortunately,
when
Margaritaville
was
built,
it
basically
turned
its
back
on
First,
Street
and
First.
Street
is
really
a
corridor
within
the
city,
both
from
North
and
South.
That
is
the
access
points
for
most
people
into
the
downtown
area.
Oh
a
walking
area,
a
bicycling
area,
but
a
long
Margaritaville
we've
got
a
40-foot
wall.
That's
nothing
more
than
just
some
movers
that
make
that
a
deadly
walk.
The
only
thing
you
get
to
see
along
that
walk
is
the
dumpster
being
pulled
in
and
out
of
the
loading
dock.
Z
Now,
unfortunately,
the
dolphin
Depot
project
does
almost
the
same
thing
along
the
First
Street
other
than
the
one
corner
all
along
First
Street,
there's
two
levels
of
parking
in
there
and
that's
going
to
make
that
a
really
deadly
corridor.
Yes,
I
think
that
some
aesthetic
in
enhancements
on
that
wall
will
help,
and
it
really
needs
to
be
looked
at
closely.
It's
got
to
be
something
that
enlightens
that
area
and
entices
people
to
walk
down
through
there.
Otherwise
we've
got
a
deadly
situation.
Z
The
other
thing
that
that
architecture
does
that's
been
created
in
that
area
is
that
it
has
created
a
wind
tunnel
if
you
get
a
nor'easter
coming
down
through
there
now
you're.
Finally,
tremendous
amounts
of
air
through
a
narrow,
Corridor
I've
done
a
lot
of
wind
tunnel
testing
on
buildings
in
urban
areas
and
I
can
tell
you
it's
going
to
be
deadly
as
it
continues
on
South
and
then
hits
the
Metropolitan
and
when
it
hits
the
Metropolitan
comes
down
the
base
of
that
building.
Z
A
L
Thank
you,
I
would,
and
just
to
kind
of
build
on
what
Mr
Patel.
Q
A
This
public
hearing
is
closed
before
requesting
emotion
on
this
ordinance,
beginning
with
myself.
Each
of
the
members
is
requested
to
indicate
for
the
record
of
the
names
of
persons
and
the
citizens
of
any
ex
parte
Communications.
Regarding
this
application
and
ex
parte
communication
refers
to
any
meeting
or
discussion
with.
A
E
O
Yeah
I've
been
with
Steve
devanell
and
Cindy
trimmer
a
long
time
ago,
probably
like
June
July,
you
maybe
even
before
that,
and
it
was
just
the
preliminary
site
plan
and
just
showing
what
their
plans
potential
plans
were
at
the
time.
S
A
D
Was
October
3rd
and
he
had
mentioned
this
plan
of
passing
I
saw
a
visual
representation
of
it,
but
we
didn't
discuss
any
of
the
details
of
it.
L
I
had
a
zoom
meeting
with
Mr
debenow
and
Ms
Tremor
and
I
need
to
double
check
my
dates
that
that
might
have
been
in
July
when
they
just
did.
They
were
discussing
several
projects,
and
this
was
one
that
was
just
very
briefly
discussed
and
then
I
had
a
call
with
Mr
David
now
today
to
talk
to
him
about
the
addition
of
some
language
that
was
not
in
the
previous
Rd
rezoning,
and
this
language
is
referencing.
Exemptions
of
bars
from
the
500
foot,
distance
requirement
and
I
spoke
with
him
about
that
today.
A
A
J
Mr
giving
out
question
on
the
dumpster.
Obviously,
businesses
will
be
probably
successful
there.
There's
hotels
residents
is
that
going
to
be
the
only
answer
for.
U
That
entire
building,
no
there's,
there's
one
right
here
as
well,
so
there's
a
trash
room
for
that's
that's
from
the
restaurant.
This
area
here
will
be
a
holding
place
for
trash
and
then
also
too
right
here
as
well.
So
all
basically
three
places
and
one
of
them
will
be
I'm,
sorry
Caitlin,
so
yeah
now,
I'm,
sorry,
Caitlyn
Taylor
is
here
with
the
developer
and
I
may
have
made
a
mistake.
I
think
it's
just
this.
U
This
will
be
a
condition
space
for
can
be
rolled
out
and
rolled
out
so
again,
right
here
and
right
here.
A
While
we're
on
trash
really
quick,
let
me
interrupt
like
the
next
council
members.
I
think
this
is
the
third
time
that
I've
seen
this
project
since,
in
my
timeline,
Council
and
at
one
point
it
was
over
when
it
was
originally
off
of
second,
it
was
a
trash
compactor.
U
This
is
just
a
regular
dumpster,
and
this
is
cool
and,
and
these
apartments
are
also
owned
about
the
same
owner,
so
I
think
we
we
have
this
under
control
in
terms
of
how
everything
is
working
together
there,
they
have
a
dumpster
right
here,
I
believe.
A
U
D
So
Mr
do
you
know
I
I
think
my
concern
is
along
the
I
think
you've
kind
of
addressed
it
along
First
Street.
D
Obviously
that
becomes
a
echo
chamber
and
it
becomes
a
big
problem
with
Margaritaville
being
a
solid
ball,
and
this
ended
up
being
this
album
I,
don't
know
if
you
can
step
it
back
or
create
some
kind
of
architectural
feature,
that's
the
way
out
of
my
purview,
but
something
that
will
allow
for
the
you
know
the
breaking
up
of
sound
breaking
up
of
when
the
brick
you
know
and
giving
it
more
of
a
aesthetic
appeal
to
it.
U
So
softening
the
aesthetic
so
on
first
can
be
done
with
whatever
the
garage
is
clad,
with
whether
it's
architectural
features
or
a
living
wall,
or
something
like
that
I
think
to
address
the
concerns
that
were
raised
by
Mr
Patel
regarding
wind
and
breaking
up
noise
and
things
like
that
I
think
it.
It
probably
requires
a
reimagination
of
First
Street
in
general,
and
you
know
again:
we've
got
about
six
feet
in
the
setback
between
the
building
and
the
property
line.
U
The
sidewalk
there
looks
like
it's
about
10
or
12
feet,
and
then
the
back
of
curve
is
maybe
another
three
or
four
so
I
I
think
it.
It
may
be
a
bigger
conversation
about
how
to
reimagine
First
in
this
location
and
certainly
developer,
would
contribute
to
that
effort,
whether
it's
through
landscaping
or
or
other
design
ideas,
I,
would
hope.
Margaritaville
would
do
the
same,
but
I
think
it's
a
reimagination
of
the
streetscape
itself
and
and
we
are
willing
to
participate
in
that
we
we
agree,
I
mean
given
our
given
our
others.
U
U
The
courts
well
I
think
that
I
think
the
biggest
issue
is
is
that
the
courts
recognized
in
those
court
orders
and
there
were
six
of
them
throughout
Jacksonville
Beach.
That,
because
of
the
work
that
the
developer
had
done
today
is
that
they
were
invested
for
their
height.
So
it's
based
on
the
work
that
was
actually
completed.
So
this
L-shaped
design
is
what
what
was
seen.
U
If
we
abandoned
the
L-shaped
design,
then
the
argument
would
be
we'd
face
a
potential
lawsuit
from
somebody
who
doesn't
like
the
hype
increase
and
they
would
say,
you've
changed
your
plan,
you're
no
longer
invested,
and
we
just
can't
risk
that
argument,
because
that
that's
what
the
Court
ruled
the
Court
ruled.
Basically,
you
spend
a
bunch
of
money
as
a
result,
you're
vested
for
that
plan,
and
we
face
this
on
Azure
down
in
South
Jack's
Beach,
where
the
development
has
a
basically
a
square
project.
U
U
But
then
house
now
outside
attorneys,
trying
to
figure
out
a
way
to
modify
the
court
order
and
we
we
couldn't
come
up
with
a
way
to
do
it
without
risking
losing
the
vesting
of
the
height
and
that
all
those
same
principles
all
the
same
lessons
apply
here
so
that
that's
why
we're
we're
hamstrung,
but
we
want
to
be
a
part
of
the
solution
along
first
and
our
first
commitment
is
screening
the
building
and
if
there's
additional
work
done
right
away
for
landscaping
or
reimagination
of
adversary
Corridor,
it
is
unique,
we're
all
for
it
sign
us
up,
because
we
want
to
help.
E
L
I
have
a
concern
about
the
addition
of
language
that
was
not
in
the
previous
two
Rd
rezoning
applications
that
were
approved
in
2016
and
2017.
That
has
to
do
with
the
conditional
use
that
is
specifying
that
bars.
Lounges
nightclubs
are
permitted,
notwithstanding
the
500
foot
distance
requirement
right,
and
my
concern
revolves
around
the
fact
that
you
know
we've
heard
very
loud
and
clear
that
we
want
other
things
in
our
downtown.
L
U
U
So
again,
Council
was
involving
representative
perfectly,
which
is
in
order
to
do
anything
related
to
a
bar.
We
would
have
to
get
a
conditional
use,
approval,
which
means
we'd
be
coming
back
through
the
process.
There'd
be
notices
and
everybody
would
be
unnoticed
about
what
was
going
on.
So
the
the
reason
that
that
language
is
included
is
because
there
is
a
bar
lounge
on
the
third
floor
of
this
building,
and
so
there.
E
U
That
we
can
think
of
for
that
bar
to
be
permanent,
but
it
is
not.
Our
intent
is
not
to
build
a
bar
even
on
the
ground
floor
of
the
building.
Our
intent
is
to
do
exactly
what
it's
shown
on
the
cycling.
So
the
reason
that
we
included
the
language
is
to
plan
for
the
potential
that
the
bar
May
face,
permitting
hurdles
through
the
State
of
Florida
through
division
of
alcohol,
whatever
it
is
faculty,
so
so
follow
with
me
here
as
a
threshold.
U
We
think
that
that
bar
will
be
operated
in
a
couple
of
different
ways.
The
first
way,
which
is
probably
the
most
likely
is
that
the
bar
and
the
restaurant
will
be
owned
by
the
same
entity
and
will
be
managed
by
the
same
entity.
So
any
of
you
that
have
been
to
River
and
post,
that's
exactly
how
River
and
post
was
permitted.
U
The
bar
on
the
ninth
floor
is
owned
by
the
same
people
that
own
the
restaurant
and
the
State
of
Florida
recognizes
that
that
is
one
premises,
and
so
the
51
rule
about
food
applies
to
those
two
spaces.
So
the
two
spaces
together
have
to
generate
51
percent
sale
of
food
in
order
to
get
a
an
SRX
license
or
a
special
restaurant
license.
We
think,
that's
probably
what
will
happen
here
in
at
the
bar
in
the
restaurant
will
be
operated
by
the
same
engine.
How
is
it
we
don't
know
that?
U
Yet
because
we
haven't
go
on
and
film
the
hotel
operator,
and
so
there
is
a
possibility.
Some
hotels,
love
to
manage
truck
other
hotels
would
rather
just
manage
the
bar
or
the
restaurant.
So
follow
me
here
for
a
second.
The
second
way
that
a
bar
can
be
permitted
inside
of
the
hotel
is
that
the
State
of
Florida
allows
a
bar
to
be
in
a
hotel
with
100
rooms
or
more.
U
This
property
has
about
54
hotel
rooms,
and
then
it
has
57
units
that
are
going
to
be
purchased
condoms.
These
units,
here
in
Ocean
View,
are
also
going
to
be
a
part
of
the
hotel.
So
if
you
add
up
the
total
number
of
pure
Hotel
units,
which
is
the
54
in
the
big
building
and
then
another
I
think
19
here
you
get
73
Hotel
routes.
Which
is
less
than
100.,
but
I
believe
we
have
an
argument
with.
D
U
State
that
the
other
units
that
are
going
to
be
condos,
that
when
they
are
made
available
for
rent
through
marketing
and
through
marketing
and
management
agreements,
I
think
those
units
will
also
count
towards
the
100.
so
long
as
we
never
go
below
100..
So
the
second
way
that
we
would
get
a
license
to
operate
that
far
would
be
because
we
have
100
units
in
100
hotels.
U
However,
if
that
doesn't
work,
then
we
would
be
left
with
a
bar
in
a
restaurant
that
would
be
operating
independently
and
the
state
would
say
that
that
order
doesn't
qualify
because
there
are
not
100
rooms.
So
we
added
that
500
foot
language
under
the
potential
that
the
bar
in
the
restaurant
could
be
operated
separately.
E
U
It
would
be
after
the
first
two
efforts
sale,
it
would
be
with
public
notice
and
it
will
be
with
public
hearings,
and
so
my
idea
on
how
to
address
your
concern
is
that
in
the
in
the
paragraph
regarding
the
500
foot
waiver
of
distance,
add
an
addition.
Add
additional
language
that
says
that
this
only
this,
this
500
foot
wave
only
applies
for
bars
that
are
ancillary
at
a
hotel
and
located
on
a
on
Leopard
floor.
Add.
U
Language
or
some
qualifying
language
that
makes
clear
that
it's
not
permitted
for
a
standalone
bar
or
a
standalone
use.
That
is,
you
know,
independent
of
the
independent
of
the
hotel.
I
have
a
lot
of
information.
I
appreciate
you,
your
patience,
letting
me
go
on
with
that.
K
L
Would
just
go
on
record
saying
that
I
cannot
support
exemption
from
that
500
foot
rule
I
just
we
had
that
in
Orlando
plan
development
code.
For
a
reason
we
don't
want
to
have
high
density
of
bars
in
the
downtown
area.
I
realize
we
have
a
limit
on
a
number
of
bar
licenses
that
we
have.
If
you
can
get.
If
you
can,
you
know
do
what
you
need
to
do
to
have
a
bar
in
conjunction
with
the
hotel
I'm
fine
with
that,
because,
but
but
to
exempt
Our
Land
Development
code
requirement
for
the
500
foot.
S
S
A
L
Ireland,
please
thank
you
mayor.
We
just
received
this
site
plan
today
and
I
have
not
had
an
opportunity
to
circulate
it
to
Public
Works
and
Beaches
Energy
for
their
review.
L
As
well
so
we.
A
L
Q
S
A
L
O
Yeah,
sorry,
Mr
deed
and
now's.
Explanation
was
long
and
a
little
tough
for
me
to
follow
being
kind
of
late
that
night,
because
what
was
it
10
o'clock
I'm
used
to.
So
if
the
500
foot
thing
passed,
would
the
river
and
post
scenario
not
be
able
to
happen,
or
also
the
hotel
scenario
not
being
able
to
happen.
U
No
I
again
I'm,
not
a
mayor,
no
I
under
the
first
two
scenarios,
the
waiver
wouldn't
be
required
because
it
wouldn't
be
a
bar.
It
would
be,
it
would
be
a
a
bar
as
a
part
of
a
restaurant,
so
it
would
be
a
special
it'll,
be
under
the
SRX
license.
U
The
five
the
way
I
understand
the
500
foot
limitation
to
apply
is
for
quota
licenses
or
the
four
cop
licenses
and
and
I
think
that's
what
we're?
What
we're?
That's
the
potential
that
we're
addressing
through
this
conversation
again,
this
bar
is
going
to
be
it's
going
to
be
around
a
thousand
square
feet.
It's
going
to
be
serving.
You
know,
the
pool
area
it'll
be
a
place
where
the
food
comes
from
downstairs
upstairs.
So
it's
it's
not
going
to
be.
U
You
know
a
bar
and
certainly
buying
a
a
for
cop
license
for
space.s.
Small
certainly
is
not
economical.
However,
we
have
to
have
our
service
for
the
hotel.
I
mean
we
won't
be
able
to
attract
the
type
of
Hotel
brand
that
we
would
want
without
having
that
Lounge
area
or
that
bar
area.
So
again,
I'm
I'm
planning
for
maybe
a
remote
possibility,
but
it's
one
that
we
absolutely
can't
mess
up
or
we
will
be
faced
with
a
less
than
desirable
operator.
U
So
I
I,
know
I
know
it's
a
long
explanation,
I
appreciate
it,
but
it's
late
Howard.
You
guys
spending
time
on
it.
We
we
will
I,
mean
again
I
understand
the
gravity
of
the
issue
will
work
on
it
between
now
in
the
next
reading,
but
right
now
we
would
not
be
able
to
agree
and
take
that
language
out
tonight.
But
you
know
me:
I'll
go
do
my
homework
if
there's
a
way
to
another
consultant,
I'll
try
to
figure
it
out
the
next
two
weeks.
E
S
S
However,
we
just
let
your
other
application
go
through,
because
it
you
know
you're
following
the
comp
plan
in
the
LDC
and
I
think
it's
I
can't
now
vote
to
go
against
that
when
we
had
to,
which
is
what
the
most
residents
would
want,
not
another
bar
within
500
feet,
even
if
it's
interior
third
floor
away
from
everything
full
service
where
we
just
voted
for
415
Apartments,
because
it
followed
the
LDC
and
then
to
have
the
exception
right
afterwards.
It's
I
can't
support
that
Mr.
A
E
H
U
You
know
that
that's
a
that's
a
fair
point,
we're
what
we're
really
concerned
about
is
whether
or
not
and
again
we're
trying
to
look
forward
based
on
the
universe
of
property
managers
and
hotel
developers
and
operators
of
what
they
like
and
what
they
prefer
sometimes
is
to
have
the
hotel
and
the
bar
be
on
or
one
management
which
would
be
separate,
then
from
the
restaurant,
and
they
some
don't
want
to
get
involved
in
the
you
know,
the
FMB
others
want
all
of
it
so
again
yeah.
But
you
have
a
fair
point.
U
There
will
be
a
bar,
but
it'll
be
in
a
restaurant.
It
won't
be
if
we
got
that
third
layer
of
analysis,
we
wouldn't
have
a
bar
on
the
third
floor.
Next
to
the
pool,
which
you
know
again
is
I,
guess
I'm
going
to
say
it's
not
going
to
be
the
end
of
the
world,
but
it
wouldn't
you
know,
and
it
wouldn't
wouldn't
allow
us
to
attract
the
top
type
of
operator.
We
want
to
attract
I.
A
J
The
obviously
you
haven't
found
the
operator
for
the
restaurant
in
the
bar.
When
are
you
looking
to.
U
We're
interviewing
we're
interviewing
folks,
right
now
and,
and
so
the
bar
part
of
the
programming
mid
building
near
the
pool
is,
is
something
that's
critical
for
everybody,
but
we
haven't
gone
to
the
middle.
We
haven't
picked
an
operator
we
haven't
gotten
to
the
minutia
of
you
know.
What
do
you
prefer
a
restaurant
bar
or
this
bar
only
the
other
thing.
U
That's
unique
about
this
property
is
the
the
number
of
of
residential
units
that
are
going
to
be
owned
as
well,
so
that
Lounge
area
is
a
unique
amenity
for
as
a
selling
point
for
for
this
building,
and
that's
another
thing
that
we
think
is
really
special
that
we
want
to
to
have
included
to
have
that
as
an
amenity
for
the
residents.
D
My
colleague,
councilman
Nichols
I
think
it
might
be
a
little
premature,
considering
the
fact
that
Miss
Ireland
said
that
they
just
received
the
site
plan
today
there
could
be
considerable
changes
that
are
having
to
be
made
to
the
site
plan.
So
until
I
have
some
more
information,
I'm
not
I'm,
going
to
be
voting,
though,
on.
A
O
Not
happening
sorry.
I
You
know
I
really
I
do
have
a
lot
of
heartburn
with
the
reduction
of
the
the
500
foot,
but
this
is
a
very
interesting
scenario
to
where
the
the
weight
of
getting
the
ideal
and
best
hotel
in
there.
They
outweigh
that.
For
me,
so
I
like
I,
said
I'm
going
to
put
a
no
on
it,
but
it's
but
I
it's
when
it
comes.
L
U
You
need
the
interior
part
that
that's
what
I
was
suggesting
is
perhaps
a
way
to
address.
It
is
to
say
that
to
add
some
characteristics
around
when
that
500
foot
waiver
might
apply,
so
you
could
tie
it
to
a
location
or
a
size.
I
Would
a
condition
of
a
limited
number
of
people
within
that
call
also
be
acceptable.
Yeah.
I
R
U
I
was
going
to
say
is,
maybe
we
can.
U
U
19Th,
okay
and
there's
no
other
items
on
the
agenda
right
now.
This
is
the
last
item
today.
A
L
A
Perhaps
we
do
like
we
did
with
Adventure
Landing
with
the
project
to
have
some
proposed
verbiage,
especially
after
the
can.
We
even
reviewed
the
site
plan
in
two
weeks:
they're
new
okay.
So
maybe
we
come
come
back
with
some
some
language
that
planning
staff
has
had.
U
A
chance
to
review
before
we
do
that
if
I
could
I
I
just
got
some
direction
from
from
my
client
who,
unfortunately
wasn't
able
to
be
here
tonight.
But
why
don't
we
do
this?
Why
don't
we
just
defer
the
first
reading
until
December
5th
and
and
then
we
can
that'll
give
us
a
month
to
we'll
that'll,
give
us
a
month
to
review
the
site
plan
we'll
do
an
exhaustive
research
on
our
options,
which
I
know
we've
already
done,
but
just.
O
U
Other
option
on
a
way
to
deal
with
this
and
then
we'll
come
back.
If
we
can't
think
of
any
way-
and
we
want
to
talk
about
a
condition
then
we'll
work
with
with
Miss
Robinson
and
director
Ireland
to
come
up
with
some
language
to
limit
it.
U
It's
so
may
not
satisfy
everybody,
but
at
least
we
can
get
on
the
same
page
in
terms
of
the
language,
and
we
can
bring
that
on
December
5th
and
as
long
as
we
can
get
done
by
the
end
of
the
year
or
have
the
chance
of
getting
that
money
in
the
year,
then
that
then
that
would
be
okay.
So
what
I
would
just
represent?
A
At
the
City
attorney
is
that
enough,
or
do
we
need
to
make
a
motion
to
this
phone?
Definitely.