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A
That
everyone's
here,
thank
you
I,
don't
really
have
a
whole
lot
of
intro
to
go
through
because
Kimberly
horn
is
going
to
cover
most
of
it
in
their
presentation,
but
just
a.
A
To
the
left,
the
second
round
of
workshops,
we
had
the
same
as
last
time:
business
owners,
citizens
and
then
our
boards,
and
we
had
pretty
good
participation
from
citizens
and
our
board
members.
The
business
one
was
not
as
well
attended
as
the
first
Workshop,
but
we
still
got
some
good
feedback.
So
everybody
from
Kim,
Lee
horn
and
the
planning
staff
were
all
here
to
kind
of
talk
through
what
we
went.
What
we
went
through
on
the
workshops
for
as
far
as
the
presentation
and
then
the
feedback
we
got
from
everybody.
So
with.
D
That
go
ahead
and
turn
it
up.
Okay,
just
so
some
of
you
didn't
have
been
to
the
workshop.
Some
of
you
haven't
so
we're
gonna.
Do
it
a
little
weird
tonight
we're
gonna
try
to
give
you
the
let's
give
it
we're.
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So
real,
quick,
we're
going
to
talk
about
the
proposed
comprehensive
plan,
changes
and
the
feedback
we
received
on
those
so
quickly.
The
comprehensive
plan
currently
reads:
goals,
objectives
and
policies.
We
are
proposing
to
change
that
division,
intent
and
strategies
in
order
to
really
align
with
Jacksonville,
Beach's
vision
and
the
terminology
y'all
use,
and
so
we
did
get
feedback
on
this
topic.
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A
Blair,
if
I
can
point
out
this,
these
statistics
include
anybody
that
submitted
comments.
Online
yep.
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D
They
didn't
really
care
so,
and
the
second
item
we
talked
about
was
changing
some
of
the
actual
elements
and
we're
combining
two
we're
adding
to.
We
did
talk
about
the
future
land
use
element
and
how
we're
changing
the
goals
to
visions
and
how
those
Visions
are
really
tailored
to
Jacksonville
Beach,
not
canned
language.
D
Some
of
the
major
changes
to
the
land
use
element
we
are
doing
is
removing
far,
which
is
essentially
floor,
area
ratio.
It's
another
way
to
regulate
form
it's
redundant,
so
we're
taking
that
out.
We're
recommending
to
take
that
out.
We
are
recommending
to
update
the
land
use
categories
in
the
future
land
use
element,
because
there
is
not
a
lot
of
information
in
those
categories
and
what
the
intent
of
those
categories
are,
for
example,
low
density
residential.
It
doesn't
even
talk
about
what
your
intent
for
that
is
just
the
density
of
what
the
number
is.
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So
we're
going
to
try
to
elaborate
on
that,
and
then
one
of
the
inconsistencies
we
noticed
was
or
Heather
noticed-
is
that
the
future
land
use
element
does
not
allow
currently
doesn't
talk
about
allowing
commercial
uses
in
the
multi-family
land
use
categories.
Even
though
the
Land
Development
code
does
allow
it
so
there's
an
inconsistency
and
there
needs
to
be,
they
need
to
be
consistent.
So
that's
what
we
are
fixing
and
So.
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We
are
adding
Marina
mixed
use,
land
use
category.
We
are
trying
to
talk
about
this
Urban
Trails
plan
and
map
as
much
as
we
can
in
the
comprehensive
plan.
So
we
can
really
pay
homage
to
the
the
work
and
time
y'all
put
into
that
plan,
but
also
to
make
sure
it's
a
priority
and
then
we're
also
updating
future
land
use
maps.
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So
one
of
the
questions
we
got
feedback
on
was:
how
does
everybody
feel
about
eliminating
floor
error
ratio?
80
percent
we're
good
with
it.
No
comments.
D
Floor
area
ratio
is
a
basically
a
a
ratio
right,
a
calculation
of
developable
land
and
it
really
regulates
the
form
of
how
much
square
footage
you
can
have
on
a
parcel,
and
we
already
have
all
of
that
in
the
Land
Development
code,
with
setbacks
in
height
and
square
footage,
maximums
and
minimums,
and
so
it
really
is
a
redundant
regulation.
So
that's
why
we're
moving
it
so.
D
The
other
topic
that
we
got
feedback
on
was
there's
commercial
uses
and
to
be
fair,
I'm,
not
sure
that
we
explained
it
well
at
the
workshops,
because
I
don't
think
people
understood
that
they
have
to
align
right.
So
it's
already
allowed
currently
per
the
Land
Development
code,
we're
just
adding
it
in
the
future
land
use.
So
for
the
response
to
be
the
majority.
No,
we
think.
Maybe
it
wasn't
really
explained
well,
but
I
mean
do.
G
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K
A
I'll
give
you
an
example:
there's
an
office,
little
complex
of
I
think
there's
two
buildings
on
4th
Street
and
right
before
the
Avenue
North,
that's
been
there
by
conditional.
B
A
D
And
then
we
went
during
the
workshops.
We
talked
about
the
transportation
element
and
how
we're
taking
this
large
massive
goal
and
really
just
make
succinct,
making
it
more
succinct
and
talking
about
really
what
is
important
to
Jacksonville
Beach
same
thing,
with
the
housing
element,
trying
to
really
make
sure
that
we
talk
about
affordable
housing
in
the
land
use
or
in
the
comprehensive
plan.
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K
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E
If
you
look
at
the
multi-family
residential
zoning
throughout
the
city,
we
have
a
lot
of
capacity
for
more
individuals
to
actually
live
here
right
now.
Our
multi-family
is,
we
have
a
lot
of
single
families
in
multi-family
and
where
they
are,
and
we
are
not
realizing
that
what
the
population
increase
could
be
or
what
we
could
accommodate.
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So
we
were
trying
to
really
talk
about
making
sure
that
we
provide
affordable
housing
options,
because
when
you
have
limited
options
that
prices
increase
and
so
I
just
wanted
to
bring
up
the
point
that
the
median
home
value
in
Jacksonville
Beach
currently
is
well
per
2021
was
400
and
thousand
four
hundred
thousand
and
compared
to
almost
half
of
Duval
County.
So
it's
a
it's
a
little
expensive
to
live
here
and
so
providing.
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D
It
was
kind
of
split,
so
55
45.
Yes,
no,
a
lot
of
people
were
not
interested
in
more
density
and
but
maybe
having
the
option
to
if
people
aren't
interested
in
more
density,
maybe
doing
more
expedited,
permit
reviews
or
other
ways
to
parking
reductions,
other
ways
to
incentivize
it
and
some
there's
some
some
of
the
comments
we
received
from
the
either
the
website,
or
we
had
little
postie
notes
on
these
boards
for
people
to
write
down
their
thoughts.
D
A
I
mean
a
question:
I
mean
I
know
the
state
has
passed
the
live
local
act,
which
requires
that
40
of
a
monthly
multi-use
development
to
be
affordable,
but
in
other
cases
in
Our
Land,
Development
code
or
our
comp
plan.
How
can
how
can
we
require
affordable
housing
and
ensure
that
it
stay
affordable
housing
because
you
know
I
mean
just?
For
example,
I
know:
we've
got
some
houses
that
are
beaches,
habitat
houses,
I
guarantee
that
those
are
not
affordable
anymore.
Once
they
sell
they're,
just
not
they're.
You
know,
I
mean.
B
D
So
a
lot
of
municipalities
restricted
by
feed
and
it
is
really
a
work
you
it's
the
municipality
working
with
the
developer,
to
put
a
deed
restriction
on
the
property
for
so
many
years.
Sometimes
it's
10
years,
sometimes
it's
20
years.
So
it
really
depends
on
what
y'all
think
would.
B
D
Multi-Family,
zoning
or
land
use
categories
you
could
incentivize,
affordable
housing
or
Workforce
similar
to
how
the
state
is
requiring
40
in
industrial
commercial.
So
you
could
offer
that.
K
We
can
also
look
at
you
know
even
potentially
single
family
lots
and
doing
puds
with
smaller
lot
sizes
and
smaller
houses,
and
things
like
that.
I
mean
a
lot
of
cities.
Do
it
and
a
lot
of
cities
that
have
affordability
issues,
do
it
it's
just.
K
We
have
to
tailor
something
that
would
be
specific
for
us
to
be
practical,
I
mean
I,
can
tell
you
one
of
the
things
that
came
up
with
one
of
the
conversations
was
about
you
know:
can
we
provide
housing,
or
are
we
trying
to
provide
housing
for
people
who
are
working
in
construction
or
working?
You
know
part-time
jobs
and
practically
speaking,
I
can't
afford
to
live
here.
So
we're
looking
at.
You
know
a
different
tier
of
people
that
you
know
right
make
a
decent
living,
but
but.
H
H
K
B
D
K
J
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J
H
In
each
case,
each
of
the
projects
in
total
was
over
20
million
dollars,
but
you
also
had
County
and
Municipal
Financial
contributions
in
the
millions
of
dollars
each
in
order
to
get
the
project
off
the
ground,
in
addition
to
the
potential
for
additional
State
funding
and
or
state
tax
credits,
and
those
are
those
are
the
larger
scale
of
projects.
So
when
you
see
it,
it'll
give
you
a
really
good
example
of
you
know:
are
there
really
opportunities
to
have
that
type
of
large-scale
Workforce
housing
development
in
the
city
of
Jax,
Beach?
F
K
H
Highest,
it's
the
highest
allowable
use
or
through
stories,
whichever
is
whichever
is
the
highest
so,
and
that
was
language
that
was
changed
from
Senator
pasadomo's
original
drafting,
specifically
because
of
those
issues
you
would
have
had
a
potential
in
Neptune
Beach
that
construction
in
Neptune
Beach
would
have
been
influenced
by
the
tallest
buildings
in
Jax
Beach
West
than
a
mile
away
right.
Yeah
I've
got
some.
Some
very
very
I
got
some
concerns
with
that.
With
that
perfect
still,
because
they're
gonna
go
okay,
well,
you're
Building,
100,
100
foot,
building
on
14th
South.
H
H
A
And
I
know
we're
going
to
talk
about
it
more
on
Monday,
like
Mike,
said
what
the
state
is
going
to
require
us
to
do,
but
as
far
as
what
we
can
do
with
incentives,
I'll
use
the
Gonzalez
or
the
townhome
South
Gonzalez.
As
an
example
where
there
was
a
discrepancy
between
the
density
and
the
land
use
and
the
density
in
the.
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A
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C
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E
D
Because
Jacksonville
Beach
is
getting
older
and
we
want
to
make
sure
you
have
the
tools
in
the
toolbox
if
that
becomes
a
priority
right.
So,
for
example,
right
now
the
comprehensive
plan
just
to
talk
about
really
protecting
historic
properties.
D
D
All
right
moving
on
okay,
so
this
was
really
like.
The
nitty-gritty,
Land
Development
code
changes
that
we
talked
about.
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B
D
Website
so
we
talked
about
some
parking
because
we
know
parking
was
an
issue
and
we
really
wanted
to
kind
of
merge
this
issue
with
things
that
we
wanted
right.
So
we
wanted
more
bike
parking.
We
wanted
more
golf
cart,
Park
and
we
heard
that
from
everyone,
and
so
what
we
tried
to
do
was
try
to
tailor
this
issue.
D
Where
and
that's
we
have
these
little
pieces
of
paper
with
this
I'll
talk
about
it
next
slide,
but-
and
we
also
wanted
to
talk
about
flexibility
for
staff,
for
parking
issues
that
may
not
be
in
the
Land
Development
code.
Maybe
they
can
make
their
best
judgment.
We
also
talked
about
the
payment
in
lieu
of
because,
right
now
there
is
in
the
CBD
there's
a
payment
and
loop
process
where
you
can
pay
in
lieu
of
provided
parking,
but
it's
very
onerous
on
staff
and
complicated.
No
one's
really
used
it.
D
So
why
don't
we
make
it
where
people
will
use
it?
If
we
already
have
it
right?
One
of
the
other
kind
of
hot
topics
was
the
votes.
We
are
going
to
limit
two
votes
per
resident,
we're
recommending,
and
then
we
wanted
to
reduce
some
parking
in
the
CBD
for
restaurants
downtown
so
on
this.
E
D
Wait:
okay,
real
quick,
the
boat
parking,
a
lot
of
people
were
for
limiting
the
boat
parking.
Actually,
a
lot
of
people
really
only
wanted
to
see.
One
versus
two
can
I
ask
where
this
came
from
so
I
think
staff
is
having
some
problems
with
a
lot
of
boats
in
people's
yards,
and
it's
almost
like
boat
storage.
Now
so.
C
J
Interesting,
no
I,
just
I,
you
know
I
mean
I,
agree.
I,
don't
want
to
see
somebody
out
there
with
like
a
bunch
of
cars
on
blocks.
Yes,
obviously,
but
if
you
know
I
I
see,
I
saw
the
first
picture.
You
had
said
more
than
two,
but
it
showed
a
jet
ski
yeah
like
what
are
the
previous
or
maybe
one
back,
the
Oracle
yeah
yeah
right
there,
we're
gonna,
show
the
jet
ski
and
then
go
forward.
One.
A
Which
I
think
the
idea
and
one
of
the
things
we
were
looking
at
ways
to
preserve
neighborhood
character?
And
one
thing
we
want
to
avoid
is
someone
using
their
property?
Basically
is
open.
Storage
and
they've
got
four
trailers
and
three
boats
and
they
got
their
friend's
boat,
no
neighbors
camper,
and
now
it's
a
storage
yard.
J
Of
limiting
their
ability
to
have
those
there
can
we
mandate
something
like
if
that's
what
are
required
to
have
a
six
foot.
You
know
price
events,
you
know
something
that
basically
coordinates
it
off.
The
movies
you
know
get
use
of.
Your
properties
use
your
property,
but
now
it
becomes
a
nice
sort
of
community.
Then
we
should
be
able
to
legislate,
say,
look,
you
can't
necessarily
and
that's
my
cost.
Yeah.
B
A
B
I
H
H
D
Okay,
so
yeah
and
then
payment
in
lieu.
This
is
another
one
where
we
maybe
it's
on
me,
where
I
didn't
really
explain
it
very
well
to
during
the
workshops,
because
a
lot
of
people
said
no
to
revising
the
payment
in
lieu,
even
though
it's
not
working
right
now,
I
think
maybe
they
thought
they
were
saying
no
to
the
idea
of
payment.
D
K
Still
using
it
right
now
very
inequitable
right
now,
because
it's
the
formula
is
block
by
block
so
depending
on
where
you're
located
you
end
up
paying
more
or
less
under
the
current
rules,
whereas
we're
planning
to
do
something
more
like
a
flat
rate,
so
every
commercial
property
in
the
CBD
is
treated
the
same.
So.
J
J
17-
and
it
was
a
little
over
600
000
already
so
we'll
cut
the
middle
and
say
thirty
thousand
dollars,
so
thirty
thousand
dollars.
How
long
will
that
maintain
the
surface
parking
for
the
city
of
Jacksonville
Beach
for
the
next
hundred
years,
because
that
I
doubt
that
hotel
is
going
to
go
anywhere
and
if
they
sell
it,
I'm,
assuming
that
the
rights
to
their
parking
go
with
them?
So
again,
thirty
thousand
dollars
for
one
parking
space.
H
J
Alternations,
okay
and
yeah
I
mean
I,
guess
like
so,
but
if
they
in
this
in
this
in
a
situation,
frequency
or
whatever
you
know,
we
use
a
hotel
action.
Hotel
actually
has
200
parking
spaces
and
one
of
the
issues
that's
already
come
up
is
we've
talked
about.
We
talked
about
Workforce,
we
talked
about
Workforce
issues,
but
none
of
the
facilities
Margaritaville
Spring
Hill
Suites.
J
None
of
these
are
actually
putting
out
parking
for
their
employees,
so
they're
all
out
on
the
surface
as
well,
and
then,
if
there's
more
again
what
people
are
going
into
and
you
don't
have
a
parking
garage
company
with
limitations
on
the
55
feet,
so
I
only
have
35
feet.
We're
going
to
have
a
smaller
parking
garage
again,
so
we've
got
I,
just
I,
wonder
about
thirty
thousand
dollars
and
the
city's
requirement
then
to
maintain
all
executive
parking
spaces
for
the
perpetuity.
I
guess.
K
I
think
the
intent
of
the
payment
in
lieu
was
to
incentivize,
bringing
certain
businesses
downtown,
and
the
payment
in
lieu
originally
was
designed
to
provide
additional
parking
in
the
form
of
a
garage
in
the
future.
You
do
have
a
fee
for
parking
right
now
and
that
wouldn't
Theory
go
towards
maintenance.
I
know
a
couple
of
the
general
fund
or
something
like
that,
but
I
mean
really
The.
K
F
F
A
F
A
I
think
for
now
we
do
because
we
don't
have
public
parking
anywhere
else
in
the
city.
So
the
idea
is
that
you
as
the
business,
doesn't
you
don't
provide
all
of
your
parking?
That's
required.
You
give
the
city
some
money
and
we
are
going
to
in
the
end,
provide
it
for
you
in
the
form
of
surface
parking
currently,
but
in
the
end,
ultimately,
the
garage
so.
B
A
K
The
architectural
standards
for
CED
requiring
you
to
build
more
building
on
the
lot
and
does
lose
parking.
So
it's
kind
of
a
double-edged
sword.
We
require
that
and
then
don't
provide
any
relief.
They're,
never
going
to
be
able
to
meet
those
requirements
and
so
they're
not
going
to
rebuild
their
building.
Sure.
J
A
Know,
right
and
and
you're
right
they
can't
they
gave
us
a
lot
of
money
and-
and
that
was
part
of
the
problem-
is
that
it's
really
inequitable
and
it's
forty
thousand
dollars
right
on.
A
Really
the
same
and
so
I
think
making
it
more
simple
and
Equitable
across
the
board
and
like
okay
and
also
in
conjunction
with
what.
A
One
of
the
problems
we
do
have
downtown
is
that
it
is
really
difficult
to
meet
all
the
standards
of
parking,
especially
a
restaurant,
all
the
parking
standards
and
all
the
dimensional
standards
downtown,
because
you
have
to
have
90,
Street
Frontage
of
your
building
and
so
finding
finding
the
all
the
places
to
do
all
the
things
you're
required
to
do.
In
some
cases
it
just
isn't
possible
without
rezoning
it
to
RV,
if
you
can't
get
a
variance
downtown
for
parking.
E
A
G
D
There
so
then
well
I'm.
A
Sorry,
nobody
I
had
another
question
with
the
current
parking,
because
I
don't
know
how
many
of
you
got.
The
email
I
think
you
all
did
from
an
employee
who
works
at
Margaritaville
and
so
that
that
in
itself
is
proof
that
employees
are
not
parking
on
site
on
these
properties.
And
so
that's
is
there
anything
that
we
can
do
about.
G
A
K
A
You
know
so
yeah,
that's
not
uncommon.
There
really
isn't
anything
that
we.
A
A
D
A
B
K
Kind
of
parking,
they're
providing
I
just
want
to
give
an
example
before
she
dove
in
with
the
current
plan
for
the
habitis
rebuild,
they
went
through
a
variance
process
because
you
can't
get
a
variance
for
the
number
of
parking
spaces,
but
you
can
get
a
variance
for
the
dimensional
standards,
and
so
they
put
in
compact
spaces.
They
put
in
extra
bicycle
parking.
I
think
they
did
some
curvius
as
well
to
make
their
Project
work
because
it
didn't
fit
under
the
current
rules
and
it's
a
great
example
of
what
we're
trying
to
do
now.
D
The
other
one
was
parking
for
flexibility,
flexibility
for
staff.
The
majority
of
people
were
okay.
To
that
you
know.
We
just
really
wanted
to
make
sure
that
really
this
is
limited
to
a
use
that
doesn't
have
a
parking
ratio
in
the
Land
Development
hood.
That
might
be
unique,
and
it's
based
on
engineer
based
parking.
K
B
D
So
you
see
how
it's
it's
broken
up
between
CBD
and
all
other
zoning
designations,
so
the
CBD
we're
going
to
treat
differently
than
all
other
zoning
categories,
and
essentially
what
this
is
is
a
way
to
incentivize
what
we
want
right.
So
we
want
more
bike
parking.
Let's
reduce
your
required
parking.
If
you
provide
bike
parking,
we
would
like
more
compact.
Ev
golf
cart
parking.
Well,
if
you
provide
those
types
of
parking,
you
can
reduce
your
parking
same
thing
with
motorcycle.
D
We
wanted
to
incentivize
pervious
parking
because
of
you
know,
resiliency
reasons
same
thing
to
proximity
to
public
parking.
So
if
you're
close
to
already
existing,
maybe
a
new
garage,
you
get
a
reduction
in
parking
and
we
wanted
to
incentivize
the
urban
trail.
So
if
let's
say
that
the
urban
trail
becomes
extremely
popular,
popular
and
everybody's.
D
You
don't
need
so
many
parking
spaces
for
vehicles.
You
need
more
bike
parking,
enhanced
Landscaping.
One
of
the
comments
we
heard
a
lot
from
the
workshops
was
that
there's
not
enough
shade
trees,
which
I
kind
of
agree.
So
we
are
proposing
hey,
let's,
why
don't
we
get
more
shade
trees
and
reduce
the
parking?
D
And
then
we
also
came
up
with
maybe
a
50
Max
reduction
on
CBD
and
a
30
Max
reductions.
Other
zoning
districts
we
felt
like,
maybe
you
you
can't
get
away
with.
D
Incentivize
the
things
we
want
and
then
our
recommendation
was
to
not
reduce
restaurant
parking
in
other
zoning
districts.
Yes
in
this
DVD,
but
maybe
not
so
much
in
the
other
zoning
districts
or
open
to
your
feedback.
It's.
D
You
said
in
the
CBD,
but
not
in
others,.
D
C
L
J
A
A
J
E
J
G
J
Canopy
yeah
I
mean
you
know,
maybe
you
know,
maybe
if
you've
got
the
sidewalk
out
in
front
of
your
or
you
know,
you've
got
a
covered
area.
You've
got
sunshade
out
in
front,
so
now
you've
got
to
come,
walk
away
in
front
of
the
building.
If
you
or
you
know
the
you
know,
a
third
of
your
parking
lot
is
now
under
a
very
large
Sun
shape,
like
we've
done
at
sunshine
Park,
you
know,
and
those
are
very
effective
and
honestly
surprisingly,
affordable
I
mean.
Excuse.
Me.
J
A
B
A
Already
has
a
built
out
property
with
a
business
and
a
building
and
a
parking
lot,
and
how
could
we
allow
them
to
take
advantage
of
this
by
retrofitting
our
parking
by
adding
adding
body
parking,
adding
easy
parking?
So
it
might
end
up
being
another
column
here
for
retrofitting
and
existing
parking
lot.
We
haven't
had
the
detailed
discussion,
but
I
think
we
need
to
talk
about
it
to
see
how
we
could
allow
somebody
that
already
exists
to
maybe
take
advantage
of
this
and
give
us
the
other
types
of
parking
that
we
want.
A
L
B
A
J
J
Okay,
if
lynds
wanted
to
see,
if
he
said,
hey
look,
you
know,
I
I
want
to
rebuild
this
place,
but
then
he
would
have
to
we
would
they
would
have
to
come
up
with
a
certain
number
of
Party
spaces
well
much
more
than
they
are
already
required
to
and
again
I
don't
know
if
we
could
pass
something
that
says
if
you're
one
of
these
Legacy
building
buildings
and
I
don't
know
if
that's
the
process,
but
under
a
certain
amount
of
square
feet,
because
there's
you
know
people
that
would
want
to
read
money,
you
think
lynches
or
mangoes,
or
something
like
that
might
want
to
the
bricks
one
day
down.
J
J
A
C
B
D
H
J
J
B
D
So
a
lot
of
people
supported
the
parking
reductions.
Some
did
not
pick.
B
D
The
one
proximity
to
part
so
parking
and
proximity.
So
if
you're,
you
know
close
to
public
parking,
68
said:
yeah,
we've
got.
K
D
And
then
maximum
parking
reductions.
D
Yeah
that
comment,
one
of
the
gentlemen,
really
wants
us
to
stop
vehicles
on
First
Street
I
was
like
I
love
that,
let's
do
it.
Let's
do
it.
C
B
B
D
A
Max
kind
of
on
those
parking
reductions
if
it
gets
traffic
out
of
downtown,
do
it.
No,
so
the
residential
lot
coverage
one
we
talked
about
that.
We've
talked
about
it
with
y'all
already,
and
we're
really
excited
to
share
these
results,
because
the
majority
of
people
said
yes
and
I'm,
just
gonna
say
to
Corey's
point.
The
four
percent
is
one
vote.
No
one
vote.
No,
that's
it!
Everyone.
B
D
L
D
D
K
B
A
A
D
We
can't
say
that
that's
a
board,
you
know
the
board
has
to
be.
You
know
really
strong
on
like
hey
this
is
we
change
this?
This
is
what
we're
doing
and
so
that,
because
those
everyone
has
due
process
to
ask
for
what
they
want
to
ask,
for,
they
have
to
prove
the
hardship
and
the
board
has
to
approve
it
did.
B
F
Well,
I
think
what
you'll
see
you'll
see
with
the
with
the
substandard
Lots
that'll.
That
problem
will
cure
itself.
It's
the
non-conforming
that
you
would
still
have
the
the
hardships
somebody
buys
a
piece
of
property.
There
was
one
that
came
in
front
of
the
boa.
It
was
at
a
cul-de-sac.
It
was
like
on
the
corner
of
the
cul-de-sac
and
it
was
really
an
odd
shape.
B
A
H
35
to
you
know
that
we'll
finish
50
will
go,
I
mean
that's,
that's
really
going
to
stop.
I
mean
we're
gonna.
F
K
K
That
will
hopefully
curtail
some
of
this
work.
I
did
want
to
make
a
point
that
I
think
Claire
brought
up
at
one
of
the
previous
meetings.
This
actually
has
a
benefit
as
well
towards
new
construction.
If
you
come
in
now,
you
can
build
your
house
at
35,
and
then
you
have
to
get
the
variance
when
you
buy
the
house,
because
you
couldn't
put
a
pool
in
this.
K
B
D
A
K
K
B
D
Frequent
lot,
it's
6600.,
the
most
frequent
in
rs2
is
6
000
under
the
most
frequent
in
RS3.
So
I
think
this
data
kind
of
that's.
Why
we're
getting
so
many
variances,
because
the
rs1
doesn't
match
so
so
we're
going
to
try
to
look
at
either.
We
have
two.
We
have
some
options,
probably
both
changing
the
some
areas
that
are
like
just
way
too
small
for
that
zoning
category.
D
K
The
smallest
design
category
maximizes,
the
density
they're
allowed
the
larger
ones.
Basically,
you
scale
back
from
the
maximum,
so
an
rs1
at
a
10
000
square
foot
lot,
you'll
never
hit
the
maximum
density
for
low
density,
residential
and
also
the
a
lot
of
these
are
set
up
by
historic
plots.
So
we
think
we're
going
to
look
at
this
in
a
GIS
analysis,
but
we
think
that
some
of
these
areas
will
be
cohesive.
Where
we
can
say
these
are
all
six
thousand
square
foot
Lots.
K
F
K
D
D
And
whoa,
we
don't
like
that.
So
if
everyone
feels
comfortable
also
74
of
the
people
voted
were
for
it
too,
so
they
they
understood.
Will
you
explain
that
one
well,
those.
A
D
Honestly,
because
you
never
know
because
this
is
a
Hot
Topic
zoning
and
lot
size,
and
so
we
were
encouraged
by
the
majority
saying
yeah,
it's
a
good
idea
Townhomes.
So
we
talked
a
lot.
We
and
we've
talked
to
you
all
about
widening
the
town
homes
West
of
third,
because
the
parking
issues-
and
we
also
talked
about
that
the
Breezeway
allowing
that
Breezeway
product.
D
So
79
were
pretty
happy
with
increasing
the
minimum
width
of
town
homes
west
of
third.
Some
people
think
it
should
be
also
easy.
D
F
K
D
That's
fast
yeah
all
right,
and
then
we
had
really
Lively
discussion
about
the
breezeways
and
you
know
allowing
something
that
it
already
exists.
Nobody
really
has
a
problem
with
it.
We
think
it's
a
great
product
because
it
breaks
up
the
wall.
D
Massive
town
homes
that
you
know
it
breaks
up
that
visual,
a
lot
of
people
thought
that
they
were
happy
with
the
Breezeway.
Some
people
thought
that
we
should
actually
allow
single
family,
because
that's
essentially
what
it
is.
It's.
K
G
D
Which
we
knew
it
would
be
so
and
for
those
of
you
who
have
not
been
to
the
workshop,
so
one
of
the
recommendations
we
are
recommending
because
one
we
want
to
preserve
neighborhood
character
right,
so
we
want
to
preserve
neighborhood
character.
We
also
want
to
try
to
provide
more
affordable
housing
types
right,
so
Heather,
smart
Heather
came
up
with
this
idea
that
you
know
there's
this
opportunity
in
multi-family
zoning
districts
right.
So
these
are
multi-family
they're
already
zoned
for
multi-family.
You
can
have
more
than
one
unit
on
this
lot.
D
They
can
add
another
unit
still
meet
the
density
requirement,
but
then
that
way
they
have
maybe
Mom
move
in
or
maybe
rent
it
out
to
a
co-worker
and
then
but
make
sure
it's
very
specific
and
have
really
strict
rules
on
it
right
and
it's
a
conditional
use
so
making
sure
that
it's
only
50
of
the
principal
building
you
can't
fill
in
your
garage
too
you've
got
to
keep
that
existing
garage.
So
we
have
the
parking
space.
D
You
have
to
provide
a
parking
space
for
that
unit,
so
you
can't
just
provide
a
unit
and
not
provide
a
parking
space
for
it,
and
then
you
also
have
to
really
meet
all
of
those
lot
requirements.
D
B
A
K
B
B
A
Put
a
mother-in-law
Suite
in
the
backyard,
and
the
answer
is
always
no
because
there's
nowhere,
you
can
do
it,
but
people
do
it
in
multi-family
by
getting
a
bunch
of
variances
to
put
a
second
unit,
because
the
second
unit's
allowed.
But
they
don't
want
another
house.
They
don't
want
to
tear
down
the
house
and
build
townhouses
or
duplex.
They
want
to
have
this
type
of
product.
C
A
K
D
J
A
H
D
H
F
L
E
A
B
F
G
H
H
D
E
D
Talked
about
zoning,
some
updates
to
zoning,
which
we've.
D
G
B
D
D
That's
not
really
a
controversial
one
okay,
so
this
is
interesting,
the
outdoor
seating
in
the
CBD,
so
we
were
recommending
that
maybe
we
removed
that
50
regulation.
So
this
is
for
right
now
currently,
y'all
have
a
regulation
on
no
more
than
50
percent
of
your
seating
for
a
restaurant
can
be
outdoors,
so
we
are
recommending.
We
remove
that
in
the
CBD,
because.
D
These
types
of
uses
help
bring
vibrancy
to
the
community
because
it
really
enhances
the
walkability.
So,
for
example,
you
could
have
a
little
tiny
building
that
just
sold
coffee
right.
You
walk
by
you,
get
your
coffee
and
go
to
the
beach
an
ice
cream
shop.
So
then
that
way
they
have
their
seating
Outdoors.
They
don't
have
a
spot
indoor
for
you
to
sit
but
ice
cream
shop.
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You
really
don't
need
an
indoor
spot,
you
know,
so
we
were
recommending
removing
that
in
the
CBD
and
81
agreed,
they
thought
that
it
creates
a
walkable
friendly
CBD,
which
we
agree.
And
then
someone
said
what
are
the
repercussions
of
my
people
outside
more
people
walking?
It
really
creates
vibrancy
when
Sophie
and
I
were
in.
We
were
in
Dunedin
for
another
project
and
we
were
discussing
this
topic
and
we
literally
went
to
lunch
at
a
shack
outside
and
ate
lunch
got
it.
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A
D
What
for
the
minimum
space?
Yes
and
that's
when
you
were
speaking
about
the
minimum
space
I
was
thinking,
oh,
that
could
work
for
this,
because
if
you
had
a
coffee
shop,
you'd
I
mean
that's
what
you're
really
catering
to
the
people
walking
by
you're
catering
to
the
people
that
are
on
the
beach
for
Sunrise
where's,
my
coffee.
So
we
really
think
this
is
a
great
start.
We
love
your
your
feedback,
absolutely.
G
B
D
B
A
A
B
D
B
A
And
wine
four
cop
is
is
full
but
like
lynches,
for
example,
they
serve
food
and
it's
pretty
good
in
my
opinion,
but
they're
not
considered
a
restaurant,
they
could
stop
serving.
A
G
D
G
D
And
usually,
people
that
come
to
these
meetings
are
very
passionate
about,
like
the
opposite,
so
we
were
surprised,
I
think.
B
D
So
that
was
essentially
the
the
feedback
we
got.
We
were
surprised
by
a
few,
not
surprised
by
a
few.
D
B
I
G
B
B
J
D
A
In
some
cases,
yes,
yes
well
they're
parking
out
into
the
street,
which
is
an
interferiative.
You.
E
A
That's
always
going
to
be
for
the
vacation,
rentals,
but
I
think
for
the
townhouses,
because
those
are
more
of
a
problem
than
the
single
families.
As
far
as
the
parking
goes
so
widening
the
town,
obviously
for
the
existing
ones
yeah
they
are,
but
for
new
ones.
They
widening
a
lot
will
help
just
they
will
have
to
provide
more
parking
on
site.
A
D
A
A
Blair
said
at
the
beginning,
we
wanted
to
cover
the
big
ticket
items
that
we
knew
were
going
to
be
possibly
controversial
or
a
big
change,
but
we're
making
like
she
said
in
the
beginning,
changes
all
across
the
board.
Maps
tables
all
the
background,
data
references,
languages.
K
B
B
A
K
K
You
know,
grow
house
or
you've
got
driveways
in
specific
locations,
but
but
maybe
also
look
at
some
of
these
front
and
rear
setbacks
as
well.
If
it's
in
an
area
where
it
might
be
appropriate,
you
know
if
you've
got
a
flat,
that's
got
60
foot
deep
lot
versus
100
or
125
those
front
of
the
back.
Setbacks
can
be
a
little
bit
challenging
too
right.
K
That's
the
kind
of
stuff
we're
gonna
have
to
really
get
once
we
figure
out
what
the
lot
sizes
are.
That
makes
sense
what
those
setbacks
will
have
to
be,
and
obviously
you
know
for
residential
single
family.
You
want
to
maximize
the
amount
of
available
space
for
recreation
and
people
to
use
their
homes,
so
it
may
be
a
question
of
priority
between.
Do.
We
think
a
front
setbacks
more
important
or
a
rear
setbacks.
K
A
F
B
B
D
Mean
like
what
time
between
August
and
December,
and
don't
quote
me
on
that:
okay,
okay,.
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Of
back
forth
between
staff,
but
we'll
send
you
like
hey:
this
is
what
we're
suggesting.
Please
read
it
and
it's
gonna
be
a
lot
part.
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K
Definitions
in
the
science
portion,
definitions
in
the
zoning
and
the
definitions
of
these
definitions.
So
we're
going
to
rearrange
some
of
that.
So
it's
not
going
to
meet
and
line
up
with
the
existing
code.
The
content,
the
only
things
we're
going
to
change
content-wise
as
far
as
impacts
is
going
to
do
so.
We've
talked
about,
but
we're
going
to
expand
definitions.
We're
going
to
look
at
some
of
our
processes
that
don't
necessarily
make
sense
and
time
frames
or
applications
and
things
like
that.
E
D
It
here
it's
very
hard
to
read
when
it's
we'll
give
it
to
you
in
sections.
This
is
the
new
section.
This
is
the
new
section.