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A
B
Time
frame
for
the
council
members
to
get
a
personal
question
as
to
us
as
staff
to
find
answers.
The
memorandum
that
I
sent
out
to
you
on
Friday
of
last
week
is
a
culmination
of
some
clarifications.
It
is
a
listing
of
answers
to
questions
that
we
felt
staff
in
the
city
of
Jax
beach
was
best
suited
to
answer
and.
B
An
information
answers
to
questions
that
can
provided
by
Jacksonville,
Fire,
Rescue
Department,
and
those
answers
will
also
sanctioned
by
city
of
destruction
so
to
just
walk
you
through
a
couple
of
things
upfront
in
the
in
the
memo
and
then
to
give
you
a
little
handout
here
as
well
for
something
else,
but
you'll
notice
that
there's
a
section
in
that
one
that
discusses
supplemental
information.
The
first
topic
in
there
is
with
regards
to
provision
of
ancillary
services.
I
wanted
to
make
sure
that
the
council
was
aware
of
that.
B
If
it's
not
in
the
agreement,
then
it's
not
agreed
to
when
the
City
of
Jacksonville
in
the
city
of
Jackson
and
that
specifically
based
on
conversations
that
Karen
and
I
have
had
with
sambusa
the
city
administrator
and
in
terms
of
how
they
operate
in
Jacksonville.
The
second
issue
is,
with
relationship
to
the
911
call
routing
impacts.
There
was
a
lot
of
confusion
as
to
what
currently
happens
right
now,
with
911
cell
phones
or
cell
phone
calls
versus
landline
calls,
and
what's
going
to
happen
in
the
future.
B
With
regard
to
that,
so
one
of
the
things
that
we
did
was
try
to
explain
in
writing
exactly
what
happens
in
people
who
stick
them
down
with
the
passively
the
try
to
explain
what
happens
with
a
cellphone
call
that
goes
to
the
911
system
and
how
it
operates.
So
the
graphic
that
you're
each
being
provided
that
there
are
three
pages.
The
first
page
shows
the
current
router
that
calls
as
they
are
today.
B
B
And
then
the
third
page
shows
what
would
happen
to
all
cell
phone
calls,
landlines
and
and
cellular
calls
to
the
911
system
in
the
event
patent
we
were
contracted
to
jail
partner.
So
if
there
are
any
questions,
would
you
like
me
to
walk
you
through
the
graphic
step
that
you
have
in
front
of
you?
So
you
can
understand
a
little
bit
about
what
happens
in
the
terminology
of
the
primary
PSAP
versus
a
secondary
PSAP
I,
see
not
in
the
head.
Walk
you
through
it:
okay,
okay,
two
minutes
to
do
that.
B
So
on
that
first
sheet
of
paper,
someone
calls
911
one
two
different
things
happen.
The
first
is
if
you're
calling
from
a
landline,
your
call
is
going
to
be
routed
to
the
what's
called
the
primary
PSAP
that
your
call
is
coming
from
geographically
and
the
primary
DNS
ApS
are
all
of
the
primary
law
enforcement.
Ignorance,
fear
within
jacksonville,
slash
Duval
County,
so
you'll
see
going
across
from
left
to
right.
In
that
beige
box,
you
have
Jacksonville
Beach
Police
Department
Jaso
Atlantic
Beach
in
Neptune
Beach.
B
So
if
you
make
it
landline
call
to
911,
it
starts
off.
By
going
to
that
police
agency,
the
police
agency
will
ask
you
the
question
911
and
depending
on
what
the
emergency
is
that,
then
it
is
either
dispatch
disease
or
they
dispatched
the
appropriate
fire
department
or
for
the
fire
and
EMS
services
that
need
to
be
provided.
So
that's
how
the
landlines
work.
B
If
you
take
a
look
at
the
middle,
but
line
you'll
see
the
purple
line
that
goes
to
Jaso
491,
one
cell
combs,
based
on
the
fact
that
they've
got
the
geocoding
feature
currently
turned
off
because
of
some
technical
issues:
cell
phone
industry,
that
functions
turned
off
and
all
of
the
cell
phones
are
currently
routed
to
Jaso.
So
when
J
is
so
gets,
the
call
from
one
from
a
cell
phone
can
ask
us
91
one.
What
is
your
emergency?
D
C
B
D
B
So
that
means,
if
someone
with
Ajax
beach
is
calling
from
a
cell
phone,
it
will
go
to
Jacksonville,
Beach,
Police
Department
and
then
our
Police
Department
would
dispatch
accordingly,
as
you
can
see
from
the
other
lines
that
around
there
Jaso
Atlanta,
Beach
and
Neptune
Beach
all
still
go
to
two
jf
Rd
for
the
appropriate
fire
and
EMS
dispatcher,
because
they're
contracted
for
that
service.
The
third
page
basically
shows
you
what
would
happen
under
a
consolidated
or
under
a
contract
with
Jeff
Hardy,
basically
Jacksonville
Beach
Police
Department
needed
to
dispatch
both
fire
and
EMS.
B
They
would
use
a
push-button
feature
to
transfer
that
call
from
the
police
department
back
to
jf
Rd
as
a
secondary
to
dispatch
most
the
fire
and
EMS
function
in
our
community,
and
then
that
would
be
actually
consistent
with
everybody
else.
That's
in
here
Jaso
Atlantic
Beach
in
Neptune
Beach,
so
everyone
will
be
using
the
same
methodology
or
receive
calls
and
dispatcher
calls.
C
Mutually
the
incident
commander,
we
used
mutual
aid,
automate
the
get
we're
a
single
structure,
fire
we're
always
having
Jacksonville
come
with
us.
The
other
way
we
read
an
agreement
is
for
one
engine,
but
they
everybody
the
regular
person
alarm
assignment
seriously.
We're
getting
three
engines
allowed
our
rescue
team,
but
the
incident
commanders
in
our
state
are
dispatched
for
a
structure
fire
Jacksonville
when
they're,
five,
Jackson
or
Mason
all
these
other
units
with
us.
The
commander.
A
A
C
C
A
A
C
C
C
F
When
they're
gonna
get
home
track
for
whether
they're,
not
people
launch
site,
in
order
to
be
able
to
do
this
or
two
other
get
a
response
time
that
we're
generating
extracting
this
formula
towards
does
that
base,
although
when
the
first
unit
gets
on
site
or
when
there's
enough
people
on
site
that.
C
Work
every
spot
size
basis,
whatever
the
first
ones
there
I
mean,
since
we
only
have
one
or
two
real
fires
a
year
yeah
and
it's
easy
for
me
to
go
and
find
out,
but
you'll
see
that
second
units
on
scene
within
that
same
might
be
fifteen
seconds.
Now,
if
it's
not
yeah
but
I
had
to
run
that
information.
B
C
B
The
next
element
in
the
memo
talks
about
turn
fire
department
I,
think
there
were
a
couple
couple
statements
made
by
the
public
that
may
have
given
the
impression
that
turnover
is
where
your
attention
in
the
fire
department
has
been
an
issue
for
us
reality
is.
It
has
not
based
on
the
statistics
that
we've
seen,
there's
also
an
explanation
of
mandatory
overtime
and
staffing.
B
I
know
that
we,
but
further
on
when
we
get
into
the
question
some
of
you
asked
the
question:
how
many
employees
do
need
to
hire
to
eliminate
overtime
and
the
reality
is
when
you
can't
ever
eliminate
overtime,
you
can
create
an
additional
new
spot,
which
I
think
kind
of
some
vocal
saying
that
about.
But
the
reality
is
is
that
if
you
have
people
who
are
out
of
service
and
they
cannot
fulfill
their
shifts,
you
will
have
a
scenario
where
you're
going
to
have
to
you
can't
reduce
the
frequency
of
it.
B
We
also
talked
a
little
bit
about
the
ship's,
the
fact
that
we
run
a
little
bit
of
a
hybrid
with
regards
to
ships
versus
others
that
do
one
on
that
you
walk
and
what
we
do
have
over
time.
That
does
create
an
issue
where
we
do
have
employees
that
on
occasion
will
work
72
hours,
3,
1,
4
and
overtime
shift.
B
We
could
we
could
change
the
way
we
operate,
but
my
directions
of
the
fire
department
was
we're
not
going
to
make
any
changes
in
how
we're
operating
until
we
know
what
the
disposition
department
is.
Ok,
because,
based
on
based
on
our
interpretation
of
labor
contracts,
we
would
need
to
get
a
notice
to
staff
which
we
anticipate
could
be
anywhere
from
90
to
180
days
to
change
how
we're
operating-
and
we
don't
want
to
go
down
that
road.
We
don't
know
where
the
the
the
next
on
there
was
with
regards
to
NFPA.
B
B
They
are
pretty
much
used
in
the
industry,
they're
a
guideline
that
what
people
follow,
but
they
are
a
nonprofit
organization.
At
the
end
of
the
day,
they
are
not
a
branch
of
the
federal
and
then
the
last
section
in
the
memo
is
with
regards
to
city
managers.
Comments,
I
just
wanted
to
touch
on
this
again
with
regards
to
a
possibility
of
a
referenda
and
some
of
the
issues
that
I
see
with
regards
to
the
current
status
of
the
fire
department.
B
I
know
that
several
members
of
the
public
came
forward
and
said
this
needs
to
be
put
forward
to
a
vote
of
people
and
in
taking
a
look
at
when
the
next
scheduled
election.
Is
it's
just
about
a
year
away,
and
there
is
a
possibility
that
there
would
be
a
launch
in
November
and
you
can
always
do
a
special
election
if
you
so
chose
to.
But
with.
H
B
Think
that,
as
the
the
decision
point
has
gotten
closer
within
the
organization,
the
tensions
between
the
unionized
and
before
these
within
the
department
has
ranked
up
a
bit
and
the
longer
that
the
situation
goes
without
a
decision
being
made
the
more
volatile
it
becomes
in
that
environment.
So
you
heard
actually
two
relatives
firefighter
step
forward,
say
a
decision
should
be
made
one
way
or
the
other
should
have,
rather
than
later,
I
would.
B
B
From
there
we
jump
into
some
attachments
to
the
memo.
There
are
:
five
of
them
all.
That
was
information
that
was
provided
by
Jacksonville
Fire
Rescue.
We
got
sent
over
a
listing
of
questions
to
them.
I
take
the
fact.
First,
one
of
the
questions
that
we
gave
to
staff
that
we
provide
an
answer,
students
that
we
felt
we
were
the
ones
best
suited
to
answer
those
questions,
and
that
goes
from
KH
8
through
13.
B
In
discussions
with
the
chief
clerk
listen
up
there,
he
thought
it
was
more
appropriate
to
kind
of
give
you
the
full
gamut
of
what
those
response
times
look
like,
rather
than
try
to
just
match
up
some
apples
to
have
those
services
and,
at
the
very
end,
we've
got
a
couple
pat
on
once
performance
performance
benchmarks
for
jrv
and
then
the
costing
that
they
did
for
both
the
ALS
engine
company,
an
arrestee
company.
So
you
could
see
what
the
cost
breakout
was
in
the
event.
B
With
that
being
said,
we've
got
some
resources
here
in
the
audience
to
receive
shoutout.
We
have
Aaron's
Trello
from
dispatch.
In
case
you
have
questions
related
to
91
and
Karen
and
I
Karen
has
obviously
been
a
witch
in
conversations
with
the
city
of
Jackson,
and
this
is
really
your
workshop,
we're
here
to
try
and
answer
any
questions
that
you
may
have
in
advance
of
the
day
today.
I
have.
A
A
C
A
G
G
A
A
B
Would
be
our
intention
that
the
at
the
conclusion
of
this
workshop
tonight,
based
on
what
we
hear
to
go
back
to
Jacksonville,
with
solve
the
things
they've
already
committed
to
and
ask
them
to
look
at
incorporation
to
the
arena
in
advance?
Because,
again,
it's
an
old
saying
goes:
if
it's
not
an
agreement,
it's
not
agreed
to,
in
fact,
or
so
the
fact
that
they
have
agreed
to
put
some
of
this
into
it.
Just.
B
Spoken
about
this,
where
my
experiences
coming
from
the
rescues
were
provided
by
a
private
response
company
right,
which
meant
that
they
were
working,
12-hour
shifts
or
less
and
they
did
not
have
the
same
pension
liability
associated
with
positions.
So
in
taking
a
look
at
the
breakdown
through
Jaya
party,
it
looks
like
the
rescue
direction
snapped
a
bit
more
personality,
which
means
that
it's
going
to
be
a
higher
burden,
great
to
actually
Philippines
March.
F
B
E
E
E
F
F
F
It's
got
concern
with
that
safety
with
our
with
our
residents,
it's
kind
of
not
well
our
residents
with
not
meeting
the
recommended
standards
that
a
lot
of
the
other
four,
the
number
of
people
on
the
apparatus
that
that
kind
of
quality
mean
a
little
bit
and
just
the
safety
of
our
of
the
park.
My
problem,
the
amount
of
hours
are
there
that
they
are
bored
I
mean
I
know
some
of
it
is
is
something
that
the
Union,
it
agreed-upon
method
of
our
shifts
that
we
use
stuff,
but.
F
Know
that
the
safety
of
residents
in
our
at
our
corporate
partners
or
turn
around
its
decision.
You
know
what
get
what
you
saying:
it's
a
monetary
issue:
it
I
I'm,
not
looking
at
the
monetary
of
course.
At
all
I
mean
I,
want
to
have
a
safe
community
and
partners
DC,
but
I'm
pleased
that
the
GFI
he
has
given
a
lot
of
information
and
is
willing
to
types
on
the.
We
have
that.
F
That's
that's
the
main
reason,
I
guess
response
times
it's
hard
to
project,
exactly
what
they're
going
to
be.
If
they're
going
to
be
a
little
more
I
mean
every
call,
is
different:
I
mean
you
go
extra
100
yards
down
the
road
I
mean
I'm
sitting
out
here
and
we
got
a.
We
got
our
engine
stuck
at
this
light
for
a
minute
and
a
half
because
they
can't
get
through
it.
I
mean
there's
a
lot
of
things
that
impact
our
our
response
times,
but
you
know
I
feel
like
what
we're
getting
is.
It
is
at.
C
C
The
parade
you
know
how
busy
it
was
out
there
yeah,
we
can
separate
and
add
an
extra
rest
unit.
Well,
that
is
very
excellent
for
the
investors.
You've
got
that
second
transport
name,
but
on
the
other
side,
it's
not
the
expert,
yes
to
the
rest
of
you,
because
that
rescue
units
still
going
to
respond
to
that
engine,
so
you're
still
sending
to
both.
That's
why
the
three
ain't
getting
set
up
is
that
what
because
they
can
get
there.
C
Engines
we
can
stabilize
the
patient
while
they're
waiting
for
that
ambulance
is
coming
the
way
to
river
12
minutes
in
the
paper
because
of
it.
But
this
isn't
no
problem
of
Jacksonville,
it's
just.
It
was
business
and
we
get
busy
for
some
reason
at
the
beach.
We
don't
get
one
call
at
the
time.
It's
like
we
do
it
out
of
Road
the
next
one
see
just
oh
yeah,
I'm
interested
too
so
they're
fun
I
mean
it
just
the
way
of
Trachsel.
We.
F
F
G
D
You
to
the
issues
that
we
have
in
our
department,
I
think
based
on
all
our
discussions.
That's
come
to
light.
It
would
be
necessary
to
probably
add
another
leaf
slot,
at
least
for
my
peace
of
mind
and
for
the
quality
of
life
of
our
workers.
So
that's
why
I
asked
that
question,
and
that
was
three
hundred
and
twenty
five
thousand
a
year
to
add
an
additional
leaf
slot
so
that
for
they
weren't
tasked
as
much
as
they're
being
test.
D
So
now
we're
at
five
point
we're
at
five
and
a
half
million
to
run
our
department
effectively
in
accordance
with
kind
of
with
Jacksonville's
proposing,
but
so
now
my
question
is
under
the
proposal.
Now
how
much
with
two
engines
is?
Is
it
four
for
Jackson
we'll
take
it
over
per
year?
What's
the
proposal
is
down.
D
Point
two
two
point
two
and
then,
if
we
wanted
to
run
an
extra
engine
which
axle
that
would
add
one
point,
four
or
five
million
to
run
the
extra
engine
so
now
we're
at
three
point:
six
is
what
we'd
be
paying
so
really
we're.
Seeing
these
still
used
to
talk
about
losing
see,
know
where
it's
five
point:
five
million
to
three
point:
six
million
apples.
I
G
G
G
G
D
Apples
to
have
Jacksonville
do
it
is
three
point:
six
million.
We
don't
change
any
service
that
we
offer.
That
would
be
big
number
of
engines,
increased
staffing.
It's
three
point:
six
million
is
one
of
the
costs
which
acts
a
little
physical
for
us
to
do
it
the
same
way.
We've
cost
us
five
point:
five
million.
G
D
Our
current
budget
is
what
determines
the
fire
part.
So
five
point
five
versus
three
point:
six
and
then
the
discussion
on
decreased
service
is
completely
out
the
window
even
under
that
sports.
The
three
versus
two,
so
even
under
that
scenario,
I
think
I
just
wanted
to
talk
about
the
numbers
out
loud
because
you'd
say
I've
seen
it
still
it's
two
million
dollars
in
savings
because,
in
my
opinion,
we
can't
keep
operating
the
fire
department.
The
way.
A
D
A
A
To
pay
this
is
another,
no
gracias,
so
Jennifer
back
108
meet
you
a
butterface.
If
we're
going
that
right
from
it
and
remember
what
we
talked
about
earlier
about
the
population
steadily
increasing
greater
than
mine.
For
so
we
know
a
lot
of
this
fire
department
that
it
started
form
a
very
nice
can't
scale,
won't
get
sick
or
homework
most
lady
with
problems
so
and
that's
our
current
population
once.
D
F
Had
no
we've
been
no
population
growth
in
the
last
six
10
years
and
see
there
being
substantial
population
Russell
we
put
some.
We
put
some
living
areas
in
the
downtown,
but
with
this
contract,
if
we
would,
as
it
is
and
we
had
a
agreement
with
with
Jeff
Hardy,
we
already
have
the
prices
that
we
track
response
times,
and
you
know
that
we
have
the
option
option
to
say:
hey
we're
not.
We
are
not
meeting
the
level
of
service
and
we
have
participated.
We
need
one
more
into
or
we
need
one
more
rescue.
I.
F
B
I
believe
you
asked
that
question.
That's
number
two
on
Fortune's
in
language
be
added
to
the
agreement
that
would
allow
for
the
addition
of
a
third
ALS
capable
apparatus
or
unit
and
Jacksonville
said
yes.
Adjusted
contract
amount
for
associate
cost,
whatever
their
average
cost
is
per
unit
at
some
point
in
the
future
years.
From
now.
A
B
B
That
the
level
of
service
they're
going
to
provide
us
the
level
of
service
they're
going
to
provide
if
additional
resources
are
needed
to
meet
demand,
we
will
be
asked
to
pay
for
those
resources,
of
course.
So
as
that's
what
he's
that
yeah?
So
you
know
if
we're
running
with
the
you
know,
with
one
engine
one
ladder
I
mean
it
gets
to
a
point
where
it's
not
keeping
up.
Jacksonville
is
going
to
come
to
us
and
say
you
need
to
pull
me
up
money
for
an
additional
unit
in
order
thrust.
B
The
program
in
place
they're
not
just
going
to
start
running
the
third
and
then
said
you
guys
need
to
pay
for
us
to
do
this
they're
going
to
tell
us
upfront
and
they're
going
to
expect
them
so
well.
It
won't
be
a
situation
where
we're
constantly
seeing
the
third
out
here,
it'll
be
Mexico.
Coming
to
us
and
saying
you
need
to
pay
for
the
for
the
enhance
level,
your
service
and
that's
what's
needed.
B
A
E
I
would
say,
is
they're
not
just
looking
at
it
in
the
packet
look
at
it
and
perspective
over
by
now
covering
this
area.
How
does
that
enhance
wherever
else
we
respond
to
moving
a
chief
out
in
this
area?
It
makes
sense
for
all
the
beaches
and
across
the
ditch,
so
they're,
not
looking
at
it
at
a
vacuum
building,
so
we're
only
going
we're
only
gonna
craft
it
inside
the
Jax
beach
boundaries,
they're,
looking
kind
of
enhancing
the
responses
to
all
over
the
city,
some
artists
in
this
area.
C
Counties
one
thing
we
want
to
look
at
it
at
32
versus
that
second
recipe
remember
to
provide
an
arrestee
function
is
in
the
requirement
of
Jackson.
Will
do
so
you
pony
up
and
spend
and
save
a
little
bit
your
paints
or
arrested
unit,
but
you
don't
have
to
pay
for
already.
That's
already
part
of
it.
3-Minute
services
get
back.
That
demanding
is
that
an
engine
that
you
lose
it
will
be
at
the
beach
as
things
that
serves
that
particular
function.
C
E
E
We
looking
at
it
the
jack
speech,
Neptune
Beach
line
to
your
knowledge,
because
I
did
some
Google
mapping
at
different
times
a
day
and
there's
parts
of
our
city
at
the
very
north
end
that
during
certain
times,
the
dead
are
going
to
be
more
easily
accessed
by
the
Atlantic
Beach
station.
So
to
me
that
to
me
that
three
fire
stations
on
our
island
versus
two
in
Jacksonville
Beach
and
someone
who
lives
closer
for
it's
the
north
end
guys
a
consideration
and.
E
B
H
The
bigger
issue
of
myself
being
the
issue
that
we
have
is
not
service.
We
have
excellent
service.
Our
issue
is
structural,
so
we're
looking
at
kinda
fix
our
HR
issue
and
we've
got
a
chart.
We've
got,
we
definitely
have
fun,
but
just
moving
the
boxes
around
and
contracting
it
out
doesn't
fix
that
issue.
They
can.
H
It
but
hold
up
beep,
so
it's
not
throwing
the
baby
out
with
the
bathwater.
I
would
suggest
that
we
really
look
hard
at
how
we
fix
our
HR
issue,
because
once
this
is
contracted
it's
gone,
we
are
not
giving
this
back.
I
am
when
I
was
on
the
task
force
for
consolidated
government
I
did
on
the
road
tours
throughout
the
county,
and
I
will
say
that
the
best
attendance
meeting
was
here
at
the
beach
and
we
are
happiest
with
our
services.
The
only
issues
we
had
for
the
ones
that
we
got
from
Jacksonville
jam
party.
G
H
You
guys,
you
guys
agree
if
that's
not
the
issue,
Romanians
up
be
more
the
administration
and
the
focus
that
the
administration
in
placed
on
our
area,
and
so
the
fire
department
wants
to
do
something,
but
the
fire
department's
going
to
be
under
the
mayor
and
that's
been
changes.
Administrations.
If
you
go
back
to
the
on
the
road
towards
the.
C
H
We
really
I
would
suggest
that
we
fix
the
HR
issue
if
we
fix
the
HR
issue
to
get
the
morale
back
up.
I
would
suggest
that
we,
you
know
we
have
some
kind
of
conflict
resolution
there,
possibly
higher
anymore,
but
this
is
the
nuclear
option
contacting
it
out.
There
are
many
things
that
we
can
do
as
a
city
to
fix
a
lot
of
the
issues
we
get
to
keep
our
control
over
it.
We're
not
going
to
be
as
pitched
with
Jacksonville
any
more
than
we
are.
H
But
what
a
numeric
codes
in
that
whole
apparatus
changes.
So
we
have
to
look
at
that
larger
picture
and
how
that's
going
to
impact
us
right
now
we
have
a
beautiful
control
and
say
over
how
everything
is
going
on
in
the
city.
I.
Don't
think
that
we
should,
because
of
HR
issues,
that
we
should
be
willing
to
give
that
up
so
easily.
Like
I
said
once
this
gets
contracted
out,
we
are
not
bringing
this
back
in-house
and
a
lot
of
the
arguments
that
I
keep
seeing
that
are
made
for
why
we
should
contact
this
out.
H
They
could
be
made
for
police,
it
could
be
made
for
91
1.
It
could
be
made
for
public
works.
All
those
things
you
1968,
you
decided
you
guys
kept
it
some
way.
You
want
to
stay
separate
and
I
went
through
rage
many
hours,
looking
at
the
consolidation
of
the
dominated
cities
and
a
lot
about
it
and
I
would
say
that
we
have
a
unique
and
the
more
that
we
give
away.
A
A
But
their
fire
department
and
my
shopsite
I've
talked
to
people
from
there
and
they
seem
very
happy
with
the
service
so
Sam
it's
an
HR.
Actually,
yes,
it
is,
but
that's
just
part
of
it.
We
can
throw
my
own
defects
it,
but
why
should
we
we're
not
yet
I
think
there's
this
work
with
the
humanizing,
the
seventh
Vegas
Fire
Department
and
the
country
I
mean
I.
Don't
think
it's
really
going
to
affect
all
right.
No.
A
A
Of
the
give
good
service
and
save
the
taxpayer
money,
that's
what
I
want
I
knew.
That's
what
do
you
want?
You
want?
You
want
our
residents
of
this
safe.
They
can
those
taxes
I.
Just
think
that
a
lot
of
times
we
can
get
caught
up
with
nostalgia
and
think
well,
just
because
we
have
a
fire
department
means
we
needed
to
keep
it.
If.
A
Fine
and
we
weren't
having
this
discussion,
you
know
there
wouldn't
be
an
issue,
but
there
is
an
issue
in
that
home
thing.
I
think
HR
is
no
part
of
it.
What
I
think
it's
better
than
that
we're
beholden
on
Jackson
online
as
a
secondary
Anthony
they,
if
they,
if
they
can
help
us
do
well
I,
would
prefer
to
be
a
a
contractual
a
where
they
have
to
help
us.
A
First,
we're
not
just
second
good
and
that's
that's
a
factor
from
know
if
they
have
Jackson
has
a
call
before
us
and
they
have
to
sounder
apparatus
all
right.
Do
they
have
to
call
if
they
can
help
us
they
will.
They
don't
have
to
have
this
first,
whereas
it
work,
but
we
have
a
contract.
There
are
fire
department,
they're
not
do
cause.
There
are.
So
that's
what
I
see
the
deference
and
I.
A
D
Think
I
think
you
have
a
valid
point:
jf
Rd
didn't
do
our
rescue,
so
jRD
response.
Everybody
talked
about
how
great
the
services
out
here
you
went
to
the
beaches
being,
which
was
the
beaches
collectively,
and
everybody
was
happy
with
their
service,
which
would
mean
Atlantic,
Beach,
Neptune
Beach
having
underserviced
I
would
100%
agree.
We
had
our
own
department
that
handled
all
of
rescue
and
fire
collectively
and
we
were
happy
with
it
and
we
need
to
spend
more
money
to
keep
it
up.
D
E
D
We
collectively
to
the
hrs
you
you're
talking
about
is
why
I
ask
the
questions
that
I
ask
cost
us
about
two
million
dollars
more
effectively
run
the
police
department,
the
way
that
Jacksonville's
running
theirs
and
we've
been
penny
pinching
penny
pincher
to
save
money
and
kudos
to
Lourdes
for
saving
a
bunch
of
money.
But
now
it's
time
to
the
boiling
point,
because
we
tried
to
save
dollars
and
say
now
it's
enough.
D
So,
instead
of
being
4.2
million
dollars
a
year,
it's
going
to
cost
us
five
point:
five
million
to
run
our
fire
department,
5.5
million
for
4.2.
So
we're
going
up
on
the
four
point,
two
that
work.
So
the
question
is:
is
it
worth
us
to
keep
the
fire
department
with
our
name
on
the
thing
with
our
name
on
the
side
of
the
truck?
D
Is
it
worth
been
increasing
the
dollars
and
the
5.5
million
to
keep
them
I
mean
that
we're
essentially
the
question,
because
we
would
spend
3.2
for
the
same
level
of
service
from
Jacksonville
same
number
of
trucks,
same
number
of
staffing
33.6.
So
if
two
million
dollars
cheaper
Jackson
will
run
it
the
same
way
that
we
would
for
two
million
year,
so
it's
not
an
effective
use
of
our
tax
dollars.
H
D
H
H
H
D
This
it
comes,
but
the
same
individuals
would
be
doing
it.
I
want
more.
If
individuals,
everybody
that
I've
talked
to
that
sent
us
emails,
I've
called
dozens
of
people,
every
conversation
that
I
had
if
we
had
the
same
level
of
service
and
saved
money,
meaning
three
fire
trucks.
Every
single
person,
I
talk
to
with
the
exception
of
one
said,
I
think
we
should
keep
our
fire
funded
with
the
accessible
one.
I've
called
at
least
20
different
people
that
had
sent
us
emails.
G
D
Let
me
phrase
us
a
couple
ways
and
ask
you
to
give
it
some
consideration:
here's
what
were
left
with
and
likely
has
often
talked
about.
We
have
so
much
information
every
one
of
those
phone
calls
the
shortest
one
was
probably
30
minutes,
because
we
had
so
much
to
talk
about
that
people
didn't
know
or
whatever,
but
at
the
conclusion
of
each
of
those
calls
I
kind
of
left
with
this.
D
Is
you
know
if
we
had
an
opportunity
to
keep
the
same
number
of
fire
trucks,
because
then
most
of
the
people
that
voted
know
that
we're
a
hard
no
said
well
you're
losing
a
fire
truck,
so
we
might
have
increased
response
times.
I
said
I
completely
agree
with
that.
That
is
very
much
a
possibility.
I
said
if
we
still
save
money
but
had
Jacksonville
doing
it
from
running
three
trucks.
Every
single
person,
with
an
exception
of
one
said
I,
would
totally
support
and
we're
talking
over
twenty
twenty
of
the
no
votes.
D
Email
said
no
to
the
merchant,
but
it's
big.
It's
not
a
hard
decision.
In
my
opinion,
when
you
look
at
it
from
the
numbers
perspective
and
the
issues
that
we're
having
the
HR
issue
that
we're
having
we're,
not
just
we're
not
just
going
out
what
I,
just
given
any
like
music
mr.
Gordy
said
we're
not
just
giving
the
sons
apartment
that
has
no
idea
what
they're
doing
they
already
run
the
beaches.
There
are
at
the
beaches.
You.
H
A
I
B
We
had
over
a
hundred
employees,
we
had
four
stations
that
were
ours
too,
which
had
multiple
apparatus
because
of
the
population
density
and
the
number
of
bailiffs
that
we
have
in
the
community.
The
two
stations
that
we
operated,
contraction,
one-third
area
called
the
high
point
district,
which
was
half
Cindy,
half
unincorporated,
County
and
another
one
where
we
took
over
fire
service
for
the
city
of
bel-air
Bluffs
in
its
neighboring
town,
that
they
were
in
one
station
departments
with
one
have
arrest
three
on
an
engine,
and
you
know.
B
B
Another
that's
the
community
there
was
was
vastly
different
than
what
you
have
here
in
people
county.
There
were
I
think
a
total
13
fire
departments
throughout
all
the
Pinellas
County.
Some
of
those
were
one
station
departments,
personnel
communities
and
some
stations
did
okay
and
others
ran
into
financial
difficulties,
and
they
are
still
struggling
with
financial
difficulties.
C
B
To
create
alliances
and
see
where
they
share
a
fire
issue,
the
fire
marshal
captain's,
etc
operation.
So
when
you
take
a
look
at
it
here
to
is
probably
about
the
smallest
that
any
fire
department
can
really
survive
on.
It
is
difficult
financial
perspective.
One
of
the
things
when
you
look
at
the
numbers.
You
know
a
lot
of
people
say
okay,
Jackson
to
do
and
part
of
the
answer.
Is
they
don't
have
the
same
overhead
structure?
Not
only
is
it
one
less
unit
was
also
the
overhead
structure.
Isn't
there
to
run
an
entire
department?
B
F
B
Of
them
had
three
on
an
engine,
but
occasionally
they
would
run
to
if
they
had
to
this
departments.
So
small,
you
only
have
one
engine
and
you
know
12
to
18
police
if
someone's
out-
and
we
can't
get
the
covered
you're
running
to
there's
nothing.
You
can
do
about
it.
All
of
those
departments
are
relied
on
mutual
aid,
but
the
purposes
of
fighting
a
fire
for
the
purposes
of
we've
done
that
calls
in
that
community.
That
was
kind
of
rough.
B
The
status
quo,
all
13
fire
departments
in
Pinellas
had
mutual
aid
agreements,
because
the
boundaries
were
all
next
to
each
other.
Some
of
those
communities
were
small
was
never
to
the
beach
and
there
was
ever
any
type
of
incident
of
significance.
Those
communities
relied
on
their
neighbors
to
help
them.
It
was
just
a
matter
of
fact
for
us
to
take
over
the
one
station
department
in
bel-air
lost,
made
all
the
sense
in
the
world
environment
contracted
services
for
about
five
years.
E
B
You
have
some
Dyson
or
all
them
on
the
table.
That's
development,
the
pumping
systems
they
were,
if
you
were
to
google,
the
city
of
Clearwater
fire
department
problem
five
major
incidents
over
the
last
five
years,
fire
department
where
I
came
from
was
in
relatively
good
shape.
They
did
have
some
moral
issues
based
on
a
previous
chief
had
been
in
this
position
seven
years
ago
and
well,
based
on
that,
there
were
some
other
communities
where
they
have
extremely
some
very
good
morale.
It's
it
fluctuates
of
ebbs
and
flows.
F
Well,
I
think
we
need
to
do
more
to
say
to
make
sure
the
residents
are
safe,
but
mainly
from
a
from
an
HR
standpoint.
I
think
that
that
there's
been
a
long
going
issue
I
mean
discipline,
racism,
stuff,
I,
don't
think
that
you
know
I
think
we
recently
received
a
raise.
We
raised
property
taxes
in
order
to
to
give
them
a
raise,
but,
prior
to
that
one
was
the
most
before
the
race
they
were
seized.
Prior
to
that.
E
Didn't
saw
an
increase
in
finances
paid
for
the
police
in
the
fire
we
knew
we
have
to
do
the
same
in
order
to
make
it
consistent,
and
we
started
that
process
with
the
police
pretty
quickly,
but
the
fire
department
made
it
very
clear
that
they
didn't
want
us
to
be
that
insult.
This
issue
had
been
resolved.
A
A
From
the
fire
cut
from
the
union's
perspective,
if
they're
saying
they
want
to
negate
raises
to
explore
this
merger,
it's
not
a
financial
reason,
because
they're
also
talking
about
working
conditions,
equipment
we
provide
for
them
and
the
fact
that
we're
at
a
retirement
there
are
pretty
slim
staff.
Well,
so
I
think
I'm,
not
speaking
for
Cory,
but
the
way
I
look
at
it
is
as
if
we're
not
gonna
merge.
We
really
need
to
be
diligent
about
bringing
our
department
up
to
a
heart
point.
A
D
I
C
I'd
say
probably
about
sixty
percent
because
they
have
to
send
the
rest
of
unison,
but
that's
their
countywide
I'll
be
planet.
They
can't
me
do
that,
no
matter
what
in
there
there's
69
percent
of
rusty
calls
of
those
of
actual
true
rest,
he
calls
you
lower
just
a
little
bit.
You
said
100
percent,
it's
not
a
hundred
percent
vision,
while
parking.
You
have
all
the
other
calls
in
between
years,
they
probably
show
off
on
close
to
70
rent
that
60
percent
yeah,
which
remember
they
have
two
on
one,
no
matter.
What
is
there.
C
Remember
our
units,
they
responded
them
to.
We
go
to
Atlantic
Beach
and
Neptune
Beach
with
them,
while
Kostas,
actually
there
down
the
st.
Johns
County.
Now,
so
let
that
interaction
is
there.
So
we
can
every
departments
gonna
do
that.
We
don't
need
them
really
sure
they
need
us
to
for
those
other
areas
because
they're
short
agents
in
there
we're
not
going.
A
B
That
is
one
of
their
obligations
as
a
county.
If
you
take
a
look
at
it,
believe
it's
the
1982
interlocal
agreement,
it
even
lists
that
they
are
responsible
for
for
the
medical
transplant.
So
that's
a
County
obligation.
It
was
the
same
way
in
Pinellas
County,
where
I
came
from
where
the
captain
was
responsible
for
EMS,
but
everybody
had
their
own
fire
departments.
B
B
Department,
for
whatever
reason,
Jacksonville
would
always
have
the
rescue
at
station
1,
because
it's
their
obligation
as
a
county
to
provide
that
service.
69
percent
of
our
calls
I
think,
is
the
actual
number
69
through
some
of
our
positive
medical
related.
So,
even
though,
even
though
there's
only
one
rescue,
we
have
three
engines
and
that
engine
is
going
to
make
the
first
call.
So
if
there
is
an
issue
with
a
resident
down
in
South
Beach
and
he's
leaving
Station
two
person,
if
the.
B
B
So
I
think
that's
where
Steve
was
saying
before
it's
great,
that
we
have
a
price
for
a
rescue,
but
we
need
to
confirm
with
Jackson
ability
that
the
rescue
could
be
a
primary
responder,
as
opposed
to
just
following
up
to
where
an
engine
has
responded
to.
So
they
would
actively
be
dispatched
as
a
first
call,
as
opposed
to
the
second.
B
E
But
on
top
of
that,
I
would
I
would
add
that
for
the
cost
of
the
fire
engine,
there'd
advanced
life
support
unit,
so
you
get
the
base
of
the
same.
You
get
double
bang
through
bumper
Massa.
It's
a
suppression
unit
also
cared
for.
It
was
things
like
that,
so
get
a
better
bang
through,
but
for
now,
let's
fire
engine.
I
Had
a
question
about
the
in
the
exhibit
see
it
talks
about
the
ranks
and
the
transition
over
the
lieutenants
and
captains
will
transition,
parisa
suppression,
engineers
and
the
engineers
and
firefighters,
with
transitioning
for
Tennessee
firefighters,
so
will
archives
that
lose
guys
and
girls,
because
I
know
you
have
to
know
they
have
the
opportunity
to
try
to
get
their
rent
back
for
work.
The
minute
those
contractors
is
signed
in
and
we
and
the
transition
happens.
All
those
I
mean
the
way.
I
read
this:
we've
got
30
people
that
have
ranks
so
there's
gonna
be
30.
It.
I
G
I
So,
in
other
words,
we'll
have
our
lieutenants
and
captains
that
are
going
to
they're
currently
doing
lieutenant
captain
jobs
and
they're
going
to
be
engineers,
and
somebody
else
is
going
to
come
in
because
we'll
need
lieutenants
and
captains
and
that's
the
reality
correct,
because
they're
not
going
to
be
able
to
try
to
claim
their
rank
immediately.
At
that.
B
I
B
I
B
I
G
A
F
In
correlating,
like
a
small
acquirement
that
we
have
in
a
large
apartment,
the
the
career
path
of
firefighter
how
it
assuming
is
quicker
from
a
larger
Department,
because
you've
got
more
opportunity
to
to
move
up
what
I
mean?
How
quickly
does
somebody
move
up
through
the
ranks
here
in
the
next
little
beach
burst
of
this.