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A
A
We
are
all
here
we're
going
to
skip
over
all
the
business.
I've
been
through
discussion
before
we
get
to
out
of
the
discussion.
We
are
about
to
get
our
cape
officer
up
here
because
we
all
know
the
panic
but
everybody's
thinking
about
orange
crush.
So,
sir,
tell
us
what's
going
on
or
what
your,
what
the
plans
are,
what
you're
anticipating.
C
Well,
yes,
we
haven't
heard
of
it.
We
knew
about
it
a
little
bit
before
all
the
information
had
come
out.
We
already
talked
to
the
agency
that
had
it
before
the
police
office
department,
that
was
in
the
last
jurisdiction
up
in
georgia.
So
just
so,
everyone
in
this
room
knows
we
are
preparing.
We
have
been
preparing.
C
C
To
be
honest
with
you,
we
were
talking
to
a
couple
of
people,
but
everybody
was
claiming
to
be
the
guy
we
finally
did
find
who
the
real
person
is.
They
finally
did
talk
to
us
myself
and
sergeant
keith
jacob,
sat
down
and
talked
with
these
two
gentlemen
a
couple
weeks
ago,
and
they
were
very
upset
as
far
as
the
stuff
that
got
out
to
the
public
before
they
were
able
to
secure
a
venue
and
get
things
set.
C
So
there
were
people
kind
of
renegade
and
doing
their
own
stuff,
but
unfortunately,
for
us
as
they've
got
those
tweets
that
are
out
there.
20
000
times
they've
got
the
flowers
out
there
and
nobody
else
can
cause
better
press
for
themselves
other
than
with
the
media.
It
was
all
in
the
media.
We've
had
tons
of
phone
calls.
We
have
tons
of,
we
do
know,
what's
coming
we're
working
with
them
as
a
currently
there's,
not
anything
specifically
planned
for
their
event
for
our
city.
C
They
were
in
talks
with
a
couple
of
our
local
businesses
in
the
downtown
area.
The
last
we
heard
and
were
supposed
to
meet
with
us
again
on
this
friday
to
let
us
know
they
had
a
couple
of
possibilities.
But,
honestly,
I
don't
think
those
venues
are
going
to
work
out
for
them,
so
we
are
planning
as
if
all
of
these
people
are
coming
to
our
city.
They
are
looking
at
doing
some
venues
in
jacksonville
as
well.
C
They're
looking
at
city
parks,
they're,
looking
at
a
couple
of
other
options
for
them
in
jacksonville
with
that
being
said,
we
all
know
all
the
publicity
is
already
out
there.
The
flyers
are
out
there.
The
social
media
is
out
there.
All
the
news
reports
is
constantly
on
the
news.
Basically,
every
day,
that's
really
just
promoting
it,
but
as
of
current
time,
we
don't
have
anything
planned
specifically
for
our
event.
In
our
city,
we
don't
have
anything,
that's
permanent
in
our
city.
C
For
that
event,
they've
looked
at
some
options
doing
stuff
on
the
beach
and
things
of
that
nature.
We
met
with
them.
We
went
over
our
rules
and
guidelines
for
special
events,
as
well
as
the
actual
special
event
permitting,
and
they
know
that
that's
not
going
to
work
for
them
do,
I
think,
maybe
they're
going
to
try
to
bring
the
event
at
a
different
time.
That
might
be
a
possibility.
I
do
think
that
they'll
be
looking
at
those
options,
so
really
we're
just
waiting
to
hear
from
them.
On
friday.
C
C
We've
already
worked
with
emergency
management,
sheriff's
office,
all
other
surrounding
agencies,
including
the
other
two
beach
communities,
st
johns
county
and
a
couple
of
other
communities
as
well,
so
law
enforcement
side,
we're
going
to
be
prepared,
we'll
be
totally
prepared
and
as
far
as
getting
with
special
events
with
parks
and
rec
under
jason's
umbrella,
we
brought
kathy
butler
involved
and
she
met
with
them
as
well
what
they
envisioned
for
our
boardwalk
area
and
some
of
our
downtown
venues.
We
actually
drove
them
down
there
that
day
we
talked
to
them.
It
was
not
what
they
invented.
C
And
then
flowers
got
out
for
jack's
beach,
there's
been
flowers
out
for
jacksonville
and
jacksonville
beach,
and
the
problem
is
they've
had
a
couple
of
djs
that
took
the
original
flyer
and
added
their
stuff
to
it.
They
sent
it
out
the
crew
that
works
some
of
the
promotions
and
stuff
like
that.
They
normally
target
adult
strip
clubs
and
some
venues.
Some
dance
clubs
places
like
that.
We
don't
have
any
of
those
places,
so
they
have
been
in
talks
with
other
places
in
jacksonville
as
well,
so
their
goal,
the
last
we
talked
they
were
thinking.
C
C
C
C
Vrvos
we
made
contacts
to
all
them.
You
know
we
don't
know
who's
renting
the
house,
who's
written
the
the
larger
venues
I
shouldn't
say
venue,
but
a
lot
of
the
rooms
and
block
rooms
and
stuff
like
that,
with
our
hospitality
people
on
our
cra,
so
they're.
B
C
Aware
of
it
instagram
we
were
actually
at
the
same
meeting.
We
needed
every
surfer,
so
they
all
knew
just
as
much,
if
not
more
than
what
we
did.
So
we
are
planning
for
it
to
be
a
full
event.
I
will
tell
you
we
will
be
running
the
command
post
that
friday
saturday
and
sunday,
it's
mandatory,
it's
basically
a
fourth
of
july
for
all
of
us,
so
we.
D
E
C
D
But
the
concern
that
I
saw
the
thing
that
really
became
an
issue
is
that
no
matter
which
parking
lot
you
pulled
into
or
end
zone
that
you
pulled
into.
There
were
lines
of
cars
waiting,
usually
for
one
spot,
maybe
to
open
up,
and
if
there
was
a
way
that,
once
those
spots
are
filled
that
we
close
those
off
and
keep
traffic
moving
rather
than
trying
to
because
it
started
blocking
yeah.
I.
C
B
B
B
D
C
Specifically
for
the
paid
parking
lots
and
yes,
okay,
the
spade
parking
lots.
Once
we
went
to
the
kiosk
system
a
couple
of
years
ago
that
took
the
element
of
the
actual
worker
that
was
inside
the
parking
lot
now.
So
now
it's
all
done
with
the
kiosk.
You
enter
and
put
your
tag
and
if
your
citizen
meets
resident-
and
you
don't
have
to
pay
and
that
type
of
thing
so
that
with
those
we
we
don't
have
that's
all
done
with
the
con-
that's
all
done
contractually
and
with
the
new
kiosk.
C
What
that
did
was
that
took
away
the
human
element
and,
to
be
honest,
and
I'm
that's
not
really
under
my
realm,
it
used
to
be
underpaid
parking,
but
I
think
once
we
took
the
human
element
out,
actually
the
numbers
went
like
we
were
made.
The
money
was
here:
we
had
a
human
element
and
now
we
have
a
kiosk
and
an
honor
system,
and
it's.
D
It's
just
an
observation,
yeah.
What
I
saw
when
I
was
down
there,
because
I
tried
going
into
one
of
the
parking
lots
the
cape
lot
and
it
was.
It
was
a
zoo
training.
You
know
once
I
realized,
there's
no
parking
spots.
I
couldn't
get
back
out
again
because
all
the
cars
were
waiting
for
one
person
to
pull
out.
I
was
just
trying
to
figure
out
a
way
to
avoid
a
real
congestion
problem
that
I
saw
in
each
of
the
lots,
as
well
as
most
of
the
energy.
C
A
A
Thank
you,
sir.
Thank
you
very
much.
Okay,
one
more
thing.
Before
we
get
to
the
discussion,
I
was
asked
by
heather's,
dad
and
jim.
If
we
would
consider
moving
our
meetings
from
five
o'clock
on
mondays,
I've
asked
each
one
of
you
guys
if
we
could
move
it
to
three
o'clock
on
friday
and
it
seems
like
that
works
for
everybody
friday,
I'm
sorry.
I
apologize.
A
A
B
You
like
to
say
a
couple
words
sure
first
time,
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
I'm
excited
to
be
here.
I
come
from
st
mary's
georgia,
where
I
was
doing
main
street
in
economic
development
there
I
was
there
just
shy
of
three
years
when
I
saw
this
opportunity
seemed
like
it
would
be
a
really
good
fit.
I
guess
everyone
here
seems
to
agree,
so
I'm
excited
to
be
here.
This
is
day
three
and
at
this
point
it's
been
a
lot
of
reading,
observing
and
kind
of.
B
A
I
I
One
of
the
key
items
is
that
cody
from
dick's
height
is
going
to
be
here
under
kale's
leadership
over
there
to
give
a
complete
presentation
on
all
the
jacksonville
beach
design
plans
where
we
are
in
terms
of
bike.
Racks,
have
developed
site,
furnishing
everything
in
association.
With
that
background,
that's
going
to
be
in
an
official
meeting,
but
to
some
degree
it's
going
to
be
a
workshop
as
well.
At
the
same
time,
trevor
and
jason
are
going
to
be
here
to
present
for
action.
I
Some
of
the
items
that
are
in
the
plan
that's
been
discussed
with
you
before
for
authorization
from
you,
then
to
go
to
city
council
for
funding
because
they
cost
over
25
000.
Of
course,
at
the
same
time,
you'll
be
discussing
looking
for
things
that
don't
cost
over
25
000
they're
in
the
process
of
being
ordered
right
now
to
department,
as
well
as
an
update
on
the
park.
So
that's
some
of
the
major
items
that
we'll
be
talking
about
at
the
next
meeting.
I
The
third
part
that
I
hope
we're
going
to
be
talking
about
in
the
next
meeting
is
some
of
the
results
of
this
meeting
today
and
that's
where
I'll
go
into
next,
and
some
of
gary
asked
me
about
this.
Some
of
you
may
have
received
a
notice
or
request
about
a
potential
meeting
with
the
city
council
forwards
sometime
in
may.
As
we
move
to
this
process,
we
talk
about
ideas
and
ways
and
needs
to
amend
the
plan.
I
The
recommendation
has
been
that
we
do
meet
with
the
city
council
to
have
that
discussion,
so
we
can
come
from
conclusion
and
move
to
many
plan
together,
so
that
any
of
these
items
can
be
included
in
a
wonderful
budget
that
ashley's
potentially
preparing
right
now.
So
that's
a
little
bit
about
yes,.
J
I
haven't
seen
the
email
so
who
has
requested
said
meeting
and
why
or
was
it
suggested,
we
changed
the
plan
that
we
currently
have?
No,
no,
no.
J
I
I
B
I
Yeah,
we'll
figure
out
how
fun
that's
going
to
be
be
able
to
tell
you
here
in
a
second.
D
As
to
what
the
date
was,
because
I
think
I
put
it
on
my
calendar-
it's
may
26th,
yes
may
26th
5
30
to
7
is.
I
I
The
plan
will
be
amended
to
add
those
items
that
you
think
you
would
want
to
recommend
to
to
the
city
council
and
to
the
community
that
are
not
in
the
plan
right
now.
We've
had
a
lot
of
discussions
about
that.
Over
the
last
few
months,
it's
been
led
a
lot
by
gary
francis
and
jeffrey.
Each
of
you
are
things
that
could
be
included
because
in
order
to
expend
money
on
those
items,
as
we
know
they
have
to
be
identified,
they
have
to
be
written
up.
I
I
This
will
all
be
written
up
the
budget
items.
How
do
we,
how
we
do
it
and
it
will
be
submitted
to
the
jacksonville
beach
city
council
for
action
and
recommendation
that
will
become
part
of
the
plan
some
have
asked?
But
what
about
the
city
of
jacksonville
the
other
taxing
authority
that
that
gives
us
a
lot
of
their
money?
The
statute
only
says
that
they
have
to
be
notified.
I
I
We've
had
conversations
with
said
unless
there's
something
in
an
interlocal
agreement
with
clj,
nothing
is
required,
except
to
tell
them
what
you're
going
to
do,
and
I
asked
ashley
and
and
the
staff
to
go
back
and
reconfirm
if
there
were
any
agreements
with
the
city
of
jackson
on
that
subject,
and
there
are
not
so
we
can
simply
as
we
work
to
make
recommendations,
simply
notify
them
that
this
is
what
we're
going
to
do.
So
that's
the
amendment
process.
I
I
That's
an
extremely
important
point
and
dennis
will
get
to
us
not
today,
but
at
some
point
another
update
on
that
prior
to
our
next
meeting
on
where
we
are
and
with
that
context,
there's
been
lots
of
items.
Things
discussed
that
we
might
want
to
see
in
the
south
beach
area.
So,
let's
talk
about
them
and
what's
going
to
happen
here,
is
that
the
one
our
wonderful
director
of
planning,
who
has
many
skill
sets,
is
going
to
put
everything
that
we
talk
about
up
on
a
whiteboard.
I
So
we
can
take
that
and
look
at
it
and
the
staff.
That's
why
public
works
is
here
parks
and
rec's
here
the
police
department's
here
finances
here
and
our
director
of
planning.
So
we
can
take
a
look
at
all
that
and
formulate
it
and
get
back
that
get
this
back
to
you
in
a
quick
time
frame
of
what
it
would
take
to
do
that
to
see
if
it's
indeed
worthy
of
consideration.
So
this
is
a
brainstorming
session
to
talk
about
all
the
things
that
you've
mentioned
in
the
last
few
days.
I
J
Questions
one
I'm
assuming
it
means
we're.
Gonna
have
to
have
a
workshop
beforehand,
because
our
next
meeting
is
pretty
much
occupied.
We're
gonna
need
some
more
time.
J
Have
we
ever
because
one
of
the
things
we
had
a
discussion
about
the
stuff
and
has
anyone
found
out
if
we
are
able
to
remember,
we
were
talking
about
the
advertiser
trying
to
find
people
to
fill
those
buildings,
the
retail
area
over
there,
because
we're
losing
we
have
lots
of
empty
spaces.
I
think.
I
Put
it
up
on
the
board,
that's
something
that
we
need
to
analyze
to
right
on
board.
How
do
we
assist
retail
establishments
talking
about
our
vacant
vacant
spaces
in
the
south?
Deteriorating?
That's
something
that's
been
said,
available,
yeah
cause.
We
were
talking
about
that
incentive,
that's
right
platform,
that's
another
thing:
sending
platform
for
south
beach
businesses!
That's
the
question
that
should
go
up
on
the
board
for
analysis.
Okay,
just
as
we
keep
off.
D
K
D
K
D
K
D
D
H
Pack,
22
and
say
we're
going
to
do
all
this
wonderful
stuff.
We
may
not
have
the
bandwidth
to
do
everything.
So
what
we're
trying
to
look
for
is
what
ideas?
What
listings
can
we
have,
so
that
we
can
start
to
take
that
list
and
formulate
the
plan
that
says?
Okay,
these
are
the
items
we
know
we
can
do.
These
are
the
items
that
jason
and
trevor
can
take
on
and
they
can
just
begin
getting
completed.
H
D
I
That's
a
good
point,
because
some
things
that
we
may
identify
that
can
be
done
might
have
to
take
place
over
multiple
years.
The
objectives
from
are
the
director
for
the
development
agency.
It
says
we
have
these
funds,
so,
let's
see
if
there
are
indeed
needs
that
we
have
in
the
south
beach,
for
which
we
can
develop
projects
quickly
from
the
plan
and
know
their.
J
H
H
D
Back
to
the
march
report
2011
report,
it
was
broken
down
into
roadways,
storm
water,
water,
so
on
and
so
forth.
So
we
need
another
look
at
that.
Does
somebody
need
you
know
from
an
engineering
standpoint,
need
to
take
a
look
at
them
for
us
to
sit
up
here
and
say
we
need.
You
know
all
these
new
infrastructure
improvements
is
kind
of
hard
to
say
unless
we
had
some
kind
of
backup
for
that
to
help
us
understand,
but
I
don't
see
us
going
in
that
direction.
Stormwater
is
the
only
thing
we've
talked
about
so
far.
H
H
That
needs
to
be
replaced
if
the
cra
didn't
originally
pay
for
it.
We
cannot
include
that
as
part
of
the
cra
funding,
so
I
think
that's
where
it
kind
of
gets
a
little
different,
because
I
think
steve
lindor
prior
to
bill
had
a
little
different
viewpoint
on
what
may
or
may
not
be
included
in
the
cra
plans
as
they
function
through
the
process.
So
we're
all
learning
this
as
well,
and
I
think,
every
time
we
have
a
meeting,
we
kind
of
come
up
with
a
little
different
idea.
H
Yes,
this
can
be
included,
and
no
this
can't
the
bill.
Man
was
not
a
fan
of
including
lift
stations
because
he,
his
idea,
was
as
well.
The
cra
didn't
build
them,
but
the
the
development
in
the
cra
is
what
caused
it
to
be
built,
whether
it
was
built
by
a
third
party
and
then
given
to
the
city
or,
however,
it
was
still
driven
by
the
cra
and
the
development
process.
So
I.
D
Have
I
have
a
real
concern
along
those
lines
because
we
keep
talking
about?
We
can't
do
this
in
the
south
beach
area,
because
it
wasn't
something
that
the
cra
did
originally.
What
about
all
the
work
in
the
downtown
area?
That's
being
done
right
now
has
been
done.
That
was
not
originally
done
by
the
cra,
but
yet
we're
going
in
we're
replacing
streets,
we're
replacing
piping,
we're
doing
all
of
that.
If
it
can
be
done
in
the
downtown
area,
we
should
be
able
to
do
it
in
the
south
beach
area
also.
D
B
D
About
the
downtown
I'm
talking
about
the
downtown,
the
blighted
area
was
down
in
the
south
beach
area
too,
and
that's
correct.
That's
why
all
that
stuff
there
there's
an
inconsistency
that
I've
seen
here.
That's
it's
got
me
confused
more
than
anything
and
I'd
like
to
you
know,
if
we're
going
to
put
some
rules
out
there,
let's
establish
them
and
make
sure
that
they
work
for
both
of
the
districts
and
so
forth.
K
If,
if
somebody
could
do
that
and
find
out
what
exactly
the
documented
rules
are
for
how
the
money
can
be
used,
that
would
help
all
of
us
on
some
of
these
utility
infrastructure
projects
that
right
now
it
was
done
one
way
before
it
was
done
a
different
way
with
bill,
and
I
don't
know
how
it's
going
to
be
done
moving
forward,
but
there's
one
way
they
can
be
done
right
and
I'm
not
sure
what
that
is.
Yeah.
H
That's
some
of
the
concerns
that
we
have
exactly
what
you're
saying
gary
is
exactly
what
we're
dealing
with
is
is
sometimes
it's
sometimes
the
answer
is
yes.
Sometimes
the
answer
is
no.
Sometimes
the
answer
is
maybe-
and
I
think
you're
as
frustrated
as
we
are,
because
we
don't
know
what
we
can
and
can't
do
within
these.
E
If
I
could
offer
just
a
little
bit
of
clarify,
I
don't
think
I'm
going
to
answer
the
question,
but
the
the
methodology
or
the
philosophy
that
is
my
understanding,
is
if
the
condition
existed,
when
the
the
cra
was
formed
and
declared
as
provided,
then
the
city
may
go
in
and
do
it,
but
as
a
result
of
redevelopment,
if
a
developer
went
into
a
neighborhood
and
put
in
the
streets
the
storm
water
systems
or
contributed
to
the
lift
station.
E
Well,
that's
a
that's
a
product
of
redevelopment,
so
the
agency
can't
go
in
and
maintain
that
because
then
now
it's
a
city
asset
and
so
that's
how
kind
of
the
dividing
line
that
I'm
familiar
with
has
been
drawn.
If
the
infrastructure
is
a
direct
result
of
the
redevelopment,
then
it's
a
city
asset
and
so
redevelopment
can't
maintain
it.
But
if
redevelopment
went
in
and
put
that
street
in
and
put
that
storm
water
in
that
it
may
now
maintain
it.
G
E
So
it's
as
a
result.
The
agency
did
like
the
major
road
work,
but
then
the
developer
brought
up
the
parcels
went
into
the
neighborhood
and
kind
of
finished
out
the
the
build-out.
Well,
that
was
the
developers
contribution
to
the
city.
So
the
cra
kind
of
set
the
stage
because
we
went
in
first
and
we
kind
of
prepared
the
land
to
increase
the
value
and
kind
of
opportunity
in
the
area
and
then
private
development
and
then
came
and
took
it
over
and
they.
E
E
G
H
H
So
does
that
mean
only
the
ones
called
out
by
name
are
included
in
the
plan,
because
I
mean
we're
rebuilding
some
of
these
right
now
using
city
funded
dollars,
as
opposed
to
cra
dollars,
and
this
is
back
to
that
conundrum
that
we've
been
faced
with
before
because
under
the
previous
director,
because
it
was
not
strictly
built
by
the
cra,
it
wasn't
covered.
But
these
are
even
items
that
are
explicitly
called
out
by
number
in
the
plan.
So
if
they're
called
out
by
the
plan.
I
Are
they
covered?
Are
they
not
covered?
Well,
my
view
is
potentially
perhaps
in
the
legal
opinion
and
I'm
not
going
to
claim
to
be
a
lawyer,
but
I
think
a
very
they
use
this
word.
The
liberal
construction
of
the
statute
and
I'd
say
it's
theirs
and
redevelop
the
district
and
it's
failing
and
potentially.
A
Actually,
a
question
for
you:
if
some
of
these
developers,
especially
on
the
south
end,
we
gave
them
incentive
dollars.
Does
that
not
automatically
make
it
our
project?
I
mean
we
had
the
one
developer
down
there.
We
gave
him
a
million
dollars
and
you
know
I'm
sure
that
million
dollars
went
into
the
infrastructure.
We
went
to
everything
else
and
actually
I
think
one
of
them
it
actually
was
probably
spelt
out
for
the
infrastructure.
E
So
I
would
want
a
legal
opinion
on
that,
the
one
I
mean
the
one
subdivision
that
the
city,
the
cra,
assembled
the
parcel
and
then
conveyed
it
to
a
developer,
who
then
put
in
an
entire
neighborhood
and
the
infrastructure
that
they
put
in
the
street
the
bridge
the
walkways
that
was
all
conveyed
to
the
city
for
maintenance.
A
Because
I
think
we're
talking
about
the
same
specific
developer,
because
he
came
back
to
the
city
saying
that
there's
all
kind
of
drainages
you
see,
there's
another
thing,
other
things
going
on
and
we
end
up
giving
him
a
million
dollars
on
top
of
everything
else,
to
fix
the
infrastructure
problems.
So
to
me
that
means
we
have
either
ownership
or
partnership.
A
A
A
H
H
H
Have
some
issues
there
that
we
have
to
deal
with,
and
I
don't
know
how
many
I
just
happened
to
see
the
lift
stations-
and
that
was
one
of
the
pieces
that
kale-
and
I
were
talking
about-
was
that
was
one
of
those
sticking
sticking
pieces
with
bill
was
lift
stations
weren't
covered
because
we
argued
saying
well,
the
lift
station
behind
target
would
never
been
built
had
target
and
that
whole
facility
not
come
in
there.
There
was
no
need
for
it,
and
so
what
drove
that
did
the
development
drive?
It
did
the
cra.
B
A
J
I
H
I
I
don't
even
know
that
I
can
answer
it,
because
I'm
not
that
familiar
with
everything.
That's
in
the
plan
I
mean,
I
know
you
know
we
were
going
to.
We
were
going
to
resurface,
one
particular
roadway.
You
know
that
I
know
we
were
going
to
do,
which
is
right
there
in
front
of
right
target
and
all
that
whole.
L
D
I
Riptide
was
the
first
development
that
that
land
was
condemned
and
sold
to
the.
J
J
J
Budget
to
our
budget
and
responsibilities
and
then
the
subcategory
of
that
being.
What
else
do
we
add
or
is
it?
What
can
we
add
to
this
and
then
the
subcategory
being?
Can
we
do
it
at
all
because
of
finance
and
whatnot?
I
feel
like
it's
I
feel
like
is
review
this
see
what
else
we
can
add
to
it
to
take
away
from
the
city
and
put
them
under
our
umbrella
and
then
subcategory.
K
H
C
H
J
J
Attorney
because
it
sounds
like
an
attorney
question,
we
have,
we
have
professional
services
in
our
budget
that
we
got
pushed
through.
Do
we
need
to
have
a
vote
that
we
use
some
of
that
money
to
get
that
answer.
A
B
H
H
Because
I
think
some
of
the
answers
we
need
to
know,
I
mean
this
plan
identifies
dust
control,
roads
saying
they
should
be
rebuilt
with
proper
base
and
whatever
and
same
thing
with
going
with
mill
and
overlay.
Now
we're
just
you
know
if
we're
just
doing
a
micro
surfacing,
which
is
not
a
full
on
mill
overlay
that
I
would
agree
that
should
be
maintenance,
but
in
my
opinion,
mill
and
overlay
is
not
a
maintenance.
That
is
a
partial
reconstruction
as
well
as
a
full
reconstruction.
H
We
need
to
know
if
those
fit
into
the
cra
puzzle.
Yes,
they
fit
and
then
as
they
fit.
Then
we
can
make
a
determination
that
says:
okay,
these
roadways
do
fit
and
we
can
run
those
subsequent
and
parallel
to
our
regular
paving
program
so
that
when
our
paver
comes
in
and
does
wherever
they're
working
at
in
the
city,
they
would
then
take
a
chunk
of
the
cra
area
and
do
it
as
well.
H
B
H
A
A
K
That's
what
we
would
like
to
like
we're
in
addition
to
the
storm
water
work,
we're
also
doing
we're
doing
a
kind
of
a
smaller
stormwater
project
than
the
whole
city,
which
is
the
central
basin
in
the
south
basin
that
you
we're
starting
to
move
forward
on
we're
also
getting
started
on
soon
here
on
a
city-wide.
L
K
Water
master
plan
update
that's
going
to
involve
how
do
we
address
potential
sea
level
rise.
All
things
like
that,
we
are
currently
doing
a
sewer
sanitary
sewer,
master
plan
update
and
soon
we're
going
to
be
starting
and
doing
a
water
system,
hydraulic
model
and
master
plan
update.
So
all
of
those
will
result
in
recommended
projects
and
prioritizing
projects.
Some
of
those
projects
may
be
things
on
our
current
cip.
K
Some
of
them
may
not
be,
and
if
we
know
the
answer-
and
we
have
a
litmus
test
at
that
time,
we
can
look
at
all
those
projects
and
come
up
with
something
that
seemed
to
fit.
You
know
seemed
to
fit
the
mold
for
cra,
funded
or
partially
cra
funded
projects
and
moved
that
into
an
update,
an
amended
plan.
G
A
H
And
I
think
those
answers
are
going
to
be
our
road
map
to
what
we
can
do.
The
same
thing
would
go,
is
you
know,
sewer
line
mania
or
sewer
main
lining
is
that
I
mean
that
is
a
cured
in
place,
pipe
lining
that
that
basically
gets
you
another
50
years
out
of
a
sewer
line.
As
we
start
looking
through,
you
know,
maybe
the
south
south
beach
area,
there's
places
that
lining
needs
to
be
done.
Can
that
be
covered
under
cra
as
part
of
the
process,
because.
I
I
H
H
What
we
got,
here's
what
we
need
to
do-
here's
you
know,
let's
just
say
the
answer
is:
yes,
all
this
paving
could
be
covered
well.
My
first
idea
would
be
take
the
entire
district
and
divide
it
up
into
a
year
split
and
say
we're
going
to
do
25
of
it
every
single
year
and
over
the
next
four
years,
we're
going
to
completely
repave
everything
in
that
whole
area.
If
it's
covered
and
you
have
the
dollars
to
be
able
to
do
it.
A
H
At
least
we
know
it's
a
question
that
we're
going
to
move
forward
with
asking,
but
it
can
still
be
a
bullet
point,
and
now
we
can
continue
taking
it
off
from
there.
To
anything
I
mean
what
we're
looking
for
is
direction
from
you
guys
as
to
what
projects
can
we
do,
especially
ones
that
we
already
know
are
in
this
plan
that
are,
you
know
they
might
be
a
wish
list?
It
might
be
the
pocket
park.
It
might
be
this.
H
It
might
be
that
if
those
items
can
be
identified,
that
kind
of
especially
if
it
already
fits
within
the
plan-
that's
a
green
light
to
do
those
projects
immediately.
This
is
kind
of
more
of
a
longer
term
over
the
next
few
years,
because
we're
not
going
to
be
able
to
do
it
all,
but
we've
got
to
have.
The
answer
is
yes,
this
is
included
or
no,
it
can't
be
included
so
that
we
know
what
our
wish
list
is.
I
mean
it's
hard
for
us
to
bring
a
wish
list
to
you.
H
A
H
H
I
But
I'm
listening
to
you
dennis,
and
it
seems
that
that
if
say
an
answer
is
yes
on
what
comments
can
be
spent
on
and
it's
clarified,
I'm
hearing
you
say
if,
for
example,
if
it's
paving
repaving
required
to
be
paid
in
the
southeast
redevelopment
area,
then
you'd
have
a
whole
list
of
timing
framework.
To
get
that
done.
Is
that
correct?
B
D
J
So,
are
we
at
that
stage
now
like
this?
Basically,
we
just
basically
talked
about
those
at
this
point
at
this
stage
and
what
else
because
right
now,
are
we
not
right
now
saying
the
things
that
we
want
to
go
to
city
council
with,
or
is
this
just
things
we
need
to
get
done,
so
we
can
come
up
with
stuff.
We
want
to
go
to.
B
J
So
the
things
we
want
to
say,
for
instance,
I
want
to
propose
that
we
also
address
security
at
the
park,
then
that
that
would
not
be
something
we
need
from
you
guys.
That
would
be
a
discussion
we
would
have
here
today.
We
would
make
a
discussion
make
our
official
feelings
on
all
those
individual
things
now,
so
that
we
know
what
we're
going
to
move
forward
with
now.
J
A
L
We
did
not,
mr
chairman,
what
we
did
was
reach
out
to
the
company
that
will
install
them
to
make
sure
that
they
can't
fit.
We
need
to
make
their
net
next
lead
to
talk
with
the
police
department,
but
but
all
the
lights
that
we
will
be
replacing
will
have
an
accommodation
to
take
a
camera
awesome
and.
J
A
B
Professional
ricardo
and
he's
the
one
that
handles
all
of
the
cameras
down
here
and
he
will
let
you
know
if
it's
feasible
to
connect
that
one
with
this
and
then
also
run
the
feed
to
the
police
department.
L
B
A
B
J
Park
security,
I'd
like
to
add
to
that
to
students.
I
did
have
a
very
long
conversation
with
chief,
a
really
long
conversation.
He
says
we'd
love
to
have
it
all,
but
he's
not
quite
ready
for
him,
but
he's
happy
that
we're
putting
the
infrastructure
in
and
that
coordinating
within.
That
makes
sense,
because
he
would
like
to
consider
it
the
next
couple
of
years,
but
you
can't
focus
on
it
right
this
righteousness.
D
J
J
So
curious
question
for
how
this
is
working.
I'm
sorry,
one
more
time
interrupting
when
we
have
the
bullet
point
park,
security
up
there
and
we're
talking
about
making
some
formal
agreement
for
the
city
council
to
improve
on.
Are
we
going
to
be
specifying?
J
I
That's
a
very
good
question,
and
here
is
my
thoughts
on
that
subjective
discussion
with
the
administration
very
clear
on
that.
But
one
can't
put
in
a
plan
amendment
not
so
broad
as
universal,
but
something
short
of
complete
in
the
weed
specificity
so
that
you've
got
a
category
there
that
talk
about
what
you
are
going
to
do.
J
J
B
A
J
Personally,
it's
just
lighting
and
camera,
but
for
me
personally
it
doesn't
mean
you
guys
can't
add
to
it.
But
for
me
that's
the
that's
the
security
for
the
next
five
years,
ten
years
whatever
for
this
specific
and
I
want
to
get-
but
that's
what
I
was
asking,
how
specific
are
we
going
to
get
we're
going
to
say
in
general,
we
would
like
to
improve
security
and
there's
your,
but
we
were
talking.
We.
I
J
J
Okay,
so
then,
but
I'll
just
keep
going
yeah
they're
talking
so
I'll,
do
it
so
for
the
park.
The
other
thing
we
didn't
want
to
interrupt
the
other
thing
we
had
gary
actually
mentioned
this,
probably
your
very
first
year
on
the
board.
You
wanted
to
talk
about
the
community
center
and
if
it
was
needing
expansion
or
if
it
was
needing
extra
room
for
city
employees
to
have
space
to
work
as
well
as
rentable
space.
Is
that
something
anybody
here
wants
to
maybe
consider
as
something
we
would
ask.
J
I
D
Original
that
the
original
community
center
done
with
cra
funds
community
center
is.
I
J
D
That
is
used
as
as
as
one
of
the
emergency
centers
during
hurricanes,
and
things
like
that.
My
thought
at
the
time
was
more
along
the
lines
of
what
else
do
we
need
in
the
facility
to
make
sure
that
it's
very
operational
during
a
severe
condition
within
the
city,
because
all
of
the
folks
are
going
to
move
down
there
to
that
facility
if
we
have
a
category
four
or
five
type
hurricanes?
What
I'm
understanding?
D
So
the
question
is:
what
more
is
needed
in
that
facility
to
make
it?
You
know
functional
during
a
situation
like
that.
Is
there
some
way
that
the
cra
can
participate
in
helping
to
provide
the
kind
of
facility
that
the
city
would
need
like?
Does
it
have
a
backup
generator?
It
does
have
a
generator.
The
question
is
whether
or
not
it's
sufficient
to
take
care
of
all
of
the
functions
and
needs
within
that
building.
You
know
I
don't
know
what
kind
of
capacity
it
has,
but
I
understand
police
goes
down
there.
D
Public
works
would
be
located
down
there.
Maybe
even
some
other
outside
agencies
would
come
in
and
set
up
within
the
conference
rooms
and
so
forth.
So
the
question
just
becomes:
is
there
something
that
we
can
do
to
make
sure
that
we've
got
the
best
possible
facility
in
a
severe
situation
here
in
the
city.
L
So
the
generator
does
it's
a
hybrid,
it's
a
mix
between
natural
gas
and
normal
gas.
I
guess
it's
a
30
hour
capacity
we
do
have.
We
did
purchase
an
extra
tank
that
would
run
for
two
three
more
days,
but
that's
about
the
extent
of
it.
Mr
peter,
you
are
correct.
It
is
a
an
eoc
center
for
us
during
hurricane
and
other
emergencies
did
the
syrian
movement
building.
L
B
B
L
E
I
E
E
Well,
since
we
rent
this
space
out
the
common
space
we
rent
to
the
public,
we
use
the
revenues
generated
from
that
to
maintain
the
building
and
then
the
city,
because
the
parks
offices
are
there.
The
city
maintains
that
part
of
it.
A
So
we
cannot
use
our
funds
to
maintain
that
building
and
make
changes
as
gary
is
talking
about,
because
just
like
we're
talking
about
the
park,
we
couldn't
do
anything
with
the
playground
equipment
because
we
didn't
put
it
in
and
we
didn't
pay
for
it.
This
building
we
put
in
and
we
paid
for
it.
Why
can't
we
continue
funding
it.
A
E
Back
to
the
other
question
of
like:
do
we
want
to
give
that
to
the
sierra?
Would
we
have
a
legal
opinion?
Could
the
siri
come
in
and
take
those
responsibilities
over,
because
we
have
it
in
the
city's
cip
plan?
We
would
have
to
make
sure
it
sits
out
for
three
years
before
it
could
be
added
to
the
cra
cip
plan.
E
A
E
Think
I
think
the
hiccup
that
we
have
is
we're
in
the
very
unique
situation
of
having
a
mature
district
and
still
having
the
you
know,
the
funding
available
to
operate
within
it.
So
I
think
that
original
contemplation
was
the
original
buildings,
not
the
you
know
the
long-term
maintenance
and
rebuilding
of
them.
So
we
can
ask
the
shepherd
to
give
us
a
guidance
on
that
as.
J
J
Yeah
would
say:
community
services
too,
I'm
trying
to
think
what
else
we
talked
about.
We
talked
about
a
sidewalk
in
the
on
the
west
part
right
across
from
the
fire
department.
We
talked
about
that
on
the
world
on
the
west.
A
F
J
Which
which,
let's
just
focus
on
park,
which
are
the
points
on
there
on
the
park
that
you
have,
because
only
one
thing
that
gets
to
have
for
the
park
that
we
haven't
addressed,
is
that
reworking
the
parking
lot
from
parking
where
we
can
accommodate
a
sidewalk.
Remember
that
was
the
only.
D
A
L
L
One
of
the
things
that
they
talked
about
in
the
survey
that
came
out
was
shading
the
whole
structure.
If
we
are
going
to
go
with
wood,
you
know
that
would
be
a
good
idea
not
only
to
keep
people
in
the
shape,
but
to
preserve
the
structure
for
long
term.
The
other
thing
that
trevor
and
I
are
working
on
and
we
may
not
be
able
to
bring
it
to
you
in
two
weeks,
is
we.
We
got
a
lot
of
demand
for
pickleball
and
they're,
asking
for
some
pickleball
courts.
L
A
L
A
What
do
you
guys
think
as
far
as
the
sidewalk
that
they're
talking
about?
Because
if
you
live
in
those
apartments,
I'm
sorry
the
houses
that
are
just
west
of
the
fire
station?
A
lot
of
kids
ride,
their
bikes
up?
Kids
walk
up
that
way,
and
you
think
you
have
some
sort
of
a
sidewalk
going
down
into
the
park
and
they're
all
now
just
walking
down
the
street
into
the
park.
I
G
Goes
no,
the
or
a
north
south
point
along
the
drainage.
D
Ditch
just
along
the
drainage
ditch,
but
it
doesn't
include
all
the
other
ones
that
we're
talking
about,
but
that
one
was
never
built.
That
one
was
never
built,
that's
correct
and
they
were
saying
any
reason
why
the
feedback
that
I
had
gotten
when
I
questioned
that
was
that
there
was
too
much
in
the
way
of
from
the.
J
Well
so
then
here's
my
thing
on
that
then
so
that
was
back
in
2011
and
now
we're
talking
green
spaces
and
green
pathways.
What
have
you
I
think
that
should
be
readdressed,
so
maybe,
if
we're
going
to
make
the
category
of
sidewalks
and
trails
that
that
gets
reevaluated
by
the
current
current
residents
and
what
happy
and
re-addressed
into
this
plant
as
well,
so
I.
D
Working
on
a
multi-use
trail
system
for
the
whole
city-
and
it
does
include
the
south
beach
area
and
when
I
jason
shared
it
with
me,
and
what
I
saw
kind
of
pretty
much
covered
everything
that
I
was
thinking
would
be
appropriate
to
do
down
in
that
area.
I
don't
know
whether
you're
at
a
point
where
you're
ready
to
start
sharing
that
with
everybody,
but
that's
something
we
want
to
include
into
a
plan
and
agree
to
that
this.
L
D
D
Do
we
have
the
funds
in
those
areas
are
sufficient
to
do
a
very
good
maintenance
capability?
I
look
at
the
skate
park
itself
and
it
needs
some
work
right
now
it's
getting
torn
up
and
we
need
to
get
in
there
and
get
some
work
fencing
around
the
basketball
courts
is
another
thing
that
we
need
to
take
a
look
at
the
overall
and
I
know
trevor
you're
working
on
this
one,
which
is
the
maintenance
of
all
the
landscaping
and
the
lawns
and
things
for
that.
There's
so
many
dead
plants
out
there.
D
D
To
which
ones
are
falling
through
which
category.
D
J
D
Well,
you're
talking
on
ninth
street
and
it's
roughly
two
or
three
blocks
off
right.
D
That
would
be
an
amenity
rather
than
a
eyesore
that
we
have
right
now.
I
J
A
I
J
So
then,
I
found
a
great
art,
though,
when
you
need
to
like,
I
don't
want
to
say,
field
trip,
but
go
look
and
see
if
it
requires.
Maybe
if
there's
a
lot
of
areas
in
the
area,
a
lot
of
companies
area
that
we
do
incentive
plans
for
them
to
utilize
set
assets
that
we
would
provide
them
based
on
whatever
we
chose
since
we
just
adopted
that
book,
I
would
prefer
to
see
if
it's
even
oh,
that's
something
we
connect,
because
I
guess
it's
for,
but
I
think
it
should
be
investigating.
D
But
there
knows
there's
no
pavement
as
an
example
and
some
of
the
streets
that
run
east-west
just
north
of
osceola.
They
dead
end
before
you
get
into
williams
street
and
there's
you
know
large
areas
and
help
grass.
There.
D
J
Out
what
we're
going
to
do
with
the
right
of
ways,
I
would
say:
that's,
why
falls
under
maintenance?
I
don't
know
if
you
guys
agree
or
not,
but
from
this
document
yeah
gems.
You
tell
me
right
or
wrong,
but
I
do
think
if
you,
if
in
this
document,
that
we
bring
to
the
city
council
to
approve,
can
we
make
a
paragraph
of
talking
about
beautification
or
incentive
plans?
What
not
for
any
any
core
door
deemed.
I
J
G
So
we
just
went
ahead
and
did
and
so
now,
except
for
the
corner
on
1st
street,
which
is
just
a
disaster
because
it's
in
the
wind
tunnel
we
put
in
landscaping
and
bricks
all
along
3rd
avenue
on
the
front
of
our
building
and
we
maintain
it.
It
looks
pretty
good
but
there's
other
buildings
where
they
don't
do
anything
and
the
city
doesn't
do
anything
so
no
one's,
maintaining
it
right
away
and
what,
if
and
I'll,
take
our
example
a
little
bit
further?
What
if
the
building
decides
they
want
to
do
some?
G
A
H
We
do
have
what
we
call
revocable
right-of-way
permits,
so
when
a
property
owner
wants
to
do
those,
they
come
actually
to
public
works,
bringing
a
plan
of
what
they
want
to
do
and
then
we
will
either
approve
or
disapprove
depending
on
what
they
want
to
do
and
what
they
want
to
construct
in
that
right
way,
whether
that's,
sometimes
it's
parking,
sometimes
it's
pavers.
Sometimes
it
can
be
all
kinds
of
a
plethora
of
things
anytime.
Anybody
wants
to
use
city
right-of-way
to
attach
it
to
their
property.
H
H
G
H
H
That's
very
well
could
have
happened.
It
very
well
could
have
been
exactly
what
you
said.
Bad
advice,
they're
not
going
to
ever
approve
that
that's
not
going
to
fit
with
their
plan.
So
just
do
it
and
ask
for
forgiveness.
If
you
get
caught,
we
have
a
lot
of
places
that
do
that,
and
we
have
a
lot
of
places
that
when
we
catch
them,
we
turn
around
and
bring
them
back
and
say:
hey
you
gotta,
you
gotta,
fill
it
all
out
to
be
able
to
get
the
revival
revocable
right
away
for
our
meeting.
J
Asking
when
you
give
approval
for
that,
do
you
then
have
somewhere
in
your
writing
or
your
agreement
that
they
are
now
responsible
for
maintaining
it
and
if
you're,
that's
question
one,
your.
H
So
so
the
maintenance
of
any
attached
right
away
to
a
property
is
already
a
city
ordinance
it's
in
covered
in
the
land
development
code.
That
says,
as
a
property
owner,
I
have
to
maintain
any
right
of
ways
to
directly
touch
my
property,
so
you
have
to
mow
it.
You
have
to
trim
it.
You
have
to
do
all
that
stuff,
that's
included
as
one
of
the
pieces
in
the
land
development
code
in
the
chart.
B
G
H
Would
think
the
city
would
be
able
to
do
it.
The
same
thing
we're
doing
with
the
downtown
beautification
plans
and
the
stuff
we're
talking
about
doing
through
dick's
height,
that's
very
similar.
It's
it's
a
plan
that
identifies
the
right-of-ways
and
the
improvements
that
are
going
to
be
made
in
those
right-of-ways.
That's
a
little.
H
Because
it's
it's
it's!
You
know
it's
the
plan,
it's
the
city's
beautification
plan,
that's
being
adopted.
If
you
wanted
to
improve
the
neighbors
building,
because
it
looks
like
garbage
that
gets
a
little
weird,
because
we
want
the
that
owner
of
that
building
has
to
be
the
one
that
signs
the
permit.
G
H
It's
it.
It
gets
very
touchy
because
the
inspections
department
doesn't
necessarily
like
to
enforce
right
away.
It's
it's
very
tough,
but
the
ordinance
actually
does
say.
Yes,
you
have
to
maintain
it,
but
it
doesn't
specify
what
that
means
it.
Just
especially
if
you
really
dig
into
the
land
development
code,
it
tells
you
you
can't
let
palmettos
take
it
over.
H
G
Okay,
because
in
my
you
know
and
I'll
give
a
specific
example:
second
half
we're
walking
over
here
the
building.
Next
to
you,
they
do
a
really
good
job
on
their
lawn
and
landscaping,
and
it
looks
really
nice
across
the
street
and
along
2nd
avenue
in
front
of
the
bricks
they
recited
it
once
five
years
ago.
Now
it's
all
weeds,
you
know.
If
we
want
a
good-looking
city,
we
want
the
bricks
to
look
like
the
guy
across
the
street.
You
know
maybe
something
a
little
different
because
the
traffic
and
stuff
pedestrian
traffic,
but
how
do
we?
G
H
It
gets
very
tough
because
we
manage
the
right
of
ways
and
then
inspections
manages
anything
from
the
right
ways
to
the
house.
So
that's
a
scenario
where
heather
and
I
are
working
and
heather's
group-
you
know
specifically
george-
are
working
together
to
try
to
figure
out
how
to
how
to
balance
that.
So
you
know,
can
you
go
in
and
tell
them
to
do
it?
I
don't.
I
don't
know
that
you
can
really
do
it
unless
it's
a
specific
violation
that
they
have.
F
And
not
not
to
catch
you
off
the
downtown
right
aways,
we
have
started
maintaining.
I
know
you
can't
see
it,
but
in
the
last
three
weeks
we
have
rebuilt
the
irrigation
from
downtown
all
the
way
down.
First
street
we've
rebuilt
it
all
on
sixth
fifth,
we've
started
on.
Fourth,
it
won't
take
long
for
all
that
will
be
fully
functioning,
we're
not
going
to
re-landscape
it
until
we
get
the
infrastructure
fixed
once.
L
F
All
the
irrigation
running
operational,
those
beds
will
all
be
maintained.
All
the
all
the
right
ways
that
are
landscaped
like
the
downtown
areas
are
part
of
the
landscape
maintenance
contract.
We
just
put
out,
they
will
be
maintained
and
we
are
currently
upgrading
and
repairing
all
the
irrigation
now.
Okay,
so.
F
A
G
F
And
that's
that's
where
we
found
we
we
came
down,
we
did
six,
we
did
fifth,
we
got
to
fourth
and
I
don't
remember
the
name
of
the
building
building
on
fourth
decided
to
plant
all
hawthorns
on
top
of
our
landscape.
So
now,
whether
we
remove
the
hot
horns
or
go
knock
on
the
door
and
try
and
upgrade
or
upgrade
our
irrigation.
D
I
think
it
would
really
be
helpful
because
I
agree
there's
a
lot
of
places
where
I
can
show
you
the
pictures
where
it
looks
great,
I'm
you
know
for
one
segment
and
then
all
of
a
sudden
there's
nothing
and
there's
many
places
where
sidewalks
just
end
and
there's
just
vegetation
there.
Somehow
we
need
to
continue
the
sidewalks
and
complete
them
and
make
them
connect.
J
J
Can
the
two
of
them
be
combined
when
we
make
an
agreement
with
people,
you
know
you
can
beautify
this
area.
You
fill
out
this
that
thing
through
the
city,
but
here's
our
parameters
and
you
can
look
at
if
you
do
these
parameters
you
can
get
funding
from
us.
Is
that
like
something
that
true,
it
can
be
keen
from
by
them?
J
So
then,
may
I
jump
to
I
know
that
we
have
all
those
neighborhoods
and
stuff
that
they
kind
of
jump
to
from
there
go
to
the
jacksonville
drive
intersection
where
we
own
the
lot
and
there's
that
lot.
I've
mentioned
multiple
times
this
three
months
and
then
multiple
times
we
ever
get
an
answer
on
those
lots
I
mean
you
guys,
will
pay
jumping
into
that
section.
I
You
remember
the
three
lots.
Francis
presents
your
idea.
We
discussed
this.
There
is
a
lot
that
could
be
a
park,
a
pocket
park.
E
I
J
Then
the
question
then,
for
me
to
you
all,
is:
do
we
need
to
make
any
kind
of
concessions
in
the
new
document
we
present
to
city
council
about
that
lot.
We
own
slash
our
discipline
pocket
parts
and
like
those
categories,
we
pocket
parts
and
purchases
like
how
do
we
first
off?
We
would
purchase
that
from
the
city.
Those
three
lots.
We
don't
own
the
city
office
like
how
do
we,
how
do
we?
How
do
we
address
if
we
just
passed
or
just
sent
it
to
the
council,
about
how
we're
going
to
purchase
those
filings?
J
I
I
J
B
B
J
Parkway,
so
that
being
the
case,
what
else
can
you
use
that
property
for
and
if
you
have
that
you
can
take
all
that
space
and
use
it
for
parking,
then
you're
utilizing
most
of
it
for
something
you
can't
really
enjoy.
So
why
don't
we
either
give
our
give
our
lot
to
them
to
develop
or
let's
buy
it
from
them,
so
we
don't
keep
our
money
back
to
the
city
but
we're
giving
it
to
them
for
purchasing.
That's
that's
the
question,
so
I
guess
the
question
is:
can
we
buy
it?
J
But
I'm
just
going
to
say
for
reference,
you
guys
I
did
for
two
years
and
I
even
put
a
presentation
together
that
was
supposed
to
be
shared
with
you
guys
about
it
being
a
memorial
park
when
all
this
memorial
chairs
and
whatnot,
because
I
even
showed
pictures
of
really
nice
fountains,
you
can
have
in
there
little
walking
trails
that
were
covered
and
it
was
a
serene
park.
It
was
not
a
let
your
children
run
the
stream
and
cry
and
have
diapers
everywhere.
It
was
not
one
of
those.
I
J
A
All
right
actually
did
we
ask
the
question:
did
we
did
the
cra
purchase
that
land
and
donate
that
to
the
to
the
city.
E
A
J
And
if
that's
the
case,
then
it
would
be
us
to
decide.
Well,
then,
do
we
get
the
city
to
take
our
lot,
so
they
can
build
something
with
a
support
plot
to
go
with
it.
That
would
be
mine.
I
think
they
need
to
go
hand
in
hand
in
my
personal
opinion,
but
that's
my
own
vote,
not
all
you,
okay,
so
in
that
general
corridor,
the
only
thing
that
we
haven't
talked
about
or
that
I
know
of
in
the
past
is
we've
already
had
the
greenscape
pathway
going.
B
D
I
just
question
whether
or
not
there's
anything
that
we
need
to
do
along
jtb.
Well,
that's
the
next
thing
you
know
which
is
which
is
I'm
not
sure
what
the
name
of
that
street
is
the.
D
Sanctuary
or
not
anything
needs
to
be
done
there
in
the
way
of
improvements
more
beautification
than
anything
else.
The
question
is.
I
J
And
because
they
own
it,
we
couldn't
do
that
either,
and
I
think
he
also,
I
will
say
this
and
you
guys,
I
don't
know
who
was
here.
I
don't
know,
maybe
it
was
maybe
you
were
here,
but
you
know
when
we
we
bought
the
other
lot,
that
we
had
as
our
pocket
lot
and
to
make
the
road
great.
And
then
you
guys
wanted
to
put
a
nice
pretty
little
like
landscaping
thing
there.
J
J
We
couldn't
breathe,
but
the
cra
did
not
want
to
take
up
a
whole
lot
a
whole.
So
the
problem
was:
is
we
bought
a
house
so
that
we
could
make
more
room
for
cars,
and
then
the
design
came
back
where
it
took
the
whole
purpose
of
that
the
whole
extra
lane
that
was
taken
away
with
the
median,
so
we
were
trying
to
find
a
solution
that
didn't
take
away
a
whole
entire.
The
whole
purpose
buying
a
house
right,
so
we
said
no.
J
We
don't
want
to
have
that,
but
we
do
want
some
kind
of
dividers
that
are
nice,
and
there
was
pictures.
I
mean
there's
like
like
square
blocks
that
you
could
have
stuff
in,
or
there
was
just
nicer
than
these,
like
wavy
plastic
things.
So
how
can
do
we
put
that
in
our
thing
we
want,
or
does
that
already
be
in
ours?.
I
K
H
Have
a
couple
of
different
places:
we
have
them
on
osceola
as
well
right
there
and
yes,
as
far
as
public
works,
go
yeah
we'd
love
to
get
rid
of
it
because
they're
our
pain
in
our
butts
as
much
as
they
are
yours,
because
people
decide
to
turn
left
when
they
don't
want
to.
So
they
wipe
out
five
of
them
and
we're
out
there
replacing
five
of
them
and
then
they're.
You
know
so
I
mean
yes,
they.
H
J
D
D
B
D
J
And
I
don't
want
to
argue
about
it,
but
I'm
just
saying
being
on
the
board
for
as
long
as
I
have
and
every
year
we
brought
it
up
at
some
point.
You
say
fine,
we
can't
do
it.
That
is
on
me.
That
doesn't
mean
you
can't.
I
would
love
if
you
wouldn't
mind
researching
that.
So
I
take
that,
but
I'm
going
to
say
historically.
D
D
B
B
I
J
I
Some
of
that
can
be
done.
Can
I
make
a
suggestion
about
fdlt
and
you
can
put
that
up
on
the
list
if
there
are
items,
whether
it's
shooting
art
on
the
intersection
or
whether
it's
landscaping,
if
we
can
define
exactly
what
it
is
that
you
would
like
I'd,
be
glad
to
call
the
main
guy
to
come
out
here
and
look
at
it
and
it
can
work.
I
will
give
you
an
example
of
that
now.
Granted
peter
will
confirm
this.
I
I
J
J
Off
the
is
the
shopping
center,
all
the
non-used
parking,
what
our
requirements
on
it.
How
do
we
bring
more
involvement,
because
if
we
make
that
area
a
destination
place
and
our
greenscapes
will
make
that
a
destination
space
for
what
they're
doing
so,
I
guess
my
question
to
you
all
is:
how
do
we
have
ideas
for
that
area?
And
what
can
we.
I
Do
I'm
not
sure
that
this
needs
to
be
on
the
list,
except
as
a
task?
Okay,
those
two
shopping
centers
are
owned
by
two
of
the
largest
real
estate
developers
in
the
country:
okay,
slayman
and
regions.
The
readiness
is
publicly
traded.
They
are
very,
very
good
for
what
they
want
to
do.
There
potentially
could
be
some
type
of
meeting
planning
session
with
regency,
not
their.
E
I
B
I
It
to
decay
deteriorate,
which
happens
with
so
many
maturing
centers.
A
I
think
your
focus
should
be
not
necessarily
fixing
one
of
those
shopping
centers
because,
as
jim
says,
there
is
no
lack
of
funding
for
those
guys
to
do
whatever
they
want
to
do
there.
You
may
want
to
be
looking
more
towards
walkability
like
how
do
people
get
from
the
different
subdivisions
to
those
entire
homes
and
beyond,
you
know,
do
you
put
in
them
up
to
your
sidewalk?
You
know
beautiful
landscaping,
all
that
kind
of
stuff,
more
lights,
more
security,
all
that
stuff
is
what
we
need
to
focus
on
right.
H
D
But
there's
a
lot
of
growth
in
that
in
that
opened
area
between
the
two
box,
culverts
for
the
one
that
occurs
under
staples
and
then
before
it
goes
under
jtb
there's
an
open
area
and
if
you
drive
back
behind
it,
you'll
see
what
I'm
referring
to
and
there's
a
lot
of
vegetation
growth
and
stuff
in
there.
That
really
needs
to
be
cleaned.
Anybody.
J
G
D
Have
been
brought
up
by
certain
council
members
too,
about
improving
signage
in
the
area
down
there
and
getting
a
better
quality
level
of
science.
Some
of
it
is
done
in
some
of
the
intersections,
like
jacksonville
drive
and
south
beach.
The
signage
is
much
better
than
what
you
typically
see
on
the
streets,
but
if
we
can
improve
signage
down
there,
I
think
that
would
be
a
great
benefit.
Can.
J
How
did
they
work
in
our
downtown
area?
What
size
wayfaring
they.
J
B
J
D
Thought
I
thought
they
had
been
consistently
in
the
way
of
signage
at
the
entrance
to
jack's
beach
down
there.
You
know
right
now,
there's
a
a
green
wall
with
some
lettering
on
it.
That
says
jacksonville
beach
and
we
want
to
do
something
more.
It's
a
little
bit
outside
the
area
on
the
east
side
of
3rd
street
is.
D
That
might
improve
identification
of
the
jack's
beach.
H
Street
signs
won't
really
necessarily
be
a
part
of
this.
That's
just
a
we
work
our
way
through
the
city
and
replace
those
depending
on
where
they're
called
out
is
this.
J
Is
more
like
identification
and
welcoming
stuff
branding?
I
like
that
branding,
that's
good!
All
right.
Are
we
gonna
continue
the
conversation
going
to
downtown.
J
A
D
Prevalent
in
both
areas
is
that
the
utility
boxes
by
the
different
service
providers,
many
of
them,
have
broken.
I
know
it
looks
like
somebody's
been
through
the
downtown
area
and
has
started
repairing
some
of
those,
but
I
think
as
an
overall
program
throughout
the
city,
whether
it's
comcast
or
whoever
needs
to
repair
their
utility
boxes.
B
H
We
monitor
their
permits
when
they're
installing
those
cables
but
beyond
the
initial
installation
yeah.
That's
I
mean-
and
all
I
can
say
is-
is
that
will
be
a
uphill
battle.
It'll
be
pushing
wet
noodles
up
till
100
percent.
Good
luck
to
get
att
and
comcast
to
come
in
and
change
out
their
boxes
to
make
them
prettier.
J
J
H
I
mean
that's
the
that's.
The
bad
thing
is:
is
we
can't
yeah?
We
we
only
have
the
people
that
are
installing
is
the
only
contacts
we
have
that's
kind
of
like
we've
got
the
att
building
kind
of
up
on
the
north
side
that
they've
now
abandoned
and
left
on.
Well,
we've
got
to
contact
the
property
owners
to
come
out
and
clean
up.
All
the
you
know,
the
garbage
and
stuff
that
all
gets
left
over
time
because
they've
completely
abandoned
their
local
building.
H
B
H
That's
fine.
We
don't
want
to
talk
about
that,
but
yeah
yeah,
it's
we
can.
We
can
ask
and
if
we
can
provide
them
a
list,
I
think
it
to
be
a
little
bit
better
off
in
a
list,
especially
with
some
pictures
that
even
makes
it
better.
You
know
because
a
picture
is
worth
a
thousand
words
you
gotta
remember.
These
people
are
not
here
right,
so
you
send
them
a
picture
and
an
address
and
say
this
is
what
it
looks
like.
This
looks
bad.
H
H
K
J
J
Part
of
the
path
plan,
like
the
greenscape
paths,
are
they
have
a
lighting
plan
with
that
right
for
their
sidewalk
or
their
biking
or
their
green
skate
pack.
Didn't
I
see
something
about
lighting.
J
J
D
Somehow
you
know,
maybe
we
need
to
talk
to
the
developer
there,
but
the
traffic
backup
that
triple
a
is
unreal
to
the
point
where
it's
remaining.
You
know
flowing
traffic
down.
Marshland
parkway
and
I
don't
know
if
there's
some
road
improvements
that
need
to
be
done
to
help
facilitate.
But
it's
largely
due
to
the
fact
that
chick-fil-a
has
such
a
volume
of
business
that
goes
in
there,
particularly
at
lunchtime
and
in
the
evening
hours
that
it
packs
all
the
way
up
onto
marsh.
H
Landing
parkway
and
then
prevents
traffic
from
flowing
on
through
it's
not
any
different
than
any
dunkin
donuts
or
any
starbucks
as
well.
I
mean,
if
you
you've,
got
to
be
careful.
You
open
that
door
to
say,
and
that
comes
back,
unfortunately,
to
our
officers
in
the
back.
If
you
don't
want
them
parking
on
those
main
roads
to
wait
to
get
in,
we
got
to
keep
the
traffic
moving.
H
H
J
H
That's
one
of
those
hard
things
when
you
start
talking
about
that.
That
comes
back
to
the
business
development
piece
of
it
from
the
beginning,
and
do
you
want
to
squash
something
that
you
know
is
just
not
going
to
work
because
of
traffic?
From
the
very
beginning
I
had
the
same
situation.
I
had
a
dunkin
donuts
say
they
were
going
to
be
on
a
particular
corner
and
I
said
that's
the
worst
corner.
H
I
don't
know
what
you're
thinking
and
I
did
everything
I
could
to
make
the
traffic
the
best
and
it
still
ended
up
being
completely
horrible,
backed
up
up
a
hill.
You
know
I
mean
it
was.
It
was
very,
very
bad
and
the
answer
was:
is
dunkin
donuts
theory
from
the
very
beginning?
Is
they
want
to
draw
traffic
right
in
and
right
out?
So
they
want,
they
take
your.
H
H
About
people
going
the
other
direction
because
they're
not
going
to
cross
the
people
they
capitalize
on
are
everybody
that
can
turn
right
to
get
in
and
everybody
that
can
turn
right
to
get
back
on
and
go
back
on
their
way
to
work,
and
so
they
focus
their
plan
from
the
very
beginning
on
what
meets
that,
and
I
chick-fil-a
is
just
its
oddity
from
the
beginning-
is-
I
don't
think
I've
seen
one
yet
that's
been
designed
to
handle
the
capacity
that
they
actually
draw.
We're.
B
Having
the
same
issue
on
wonderbird
and
even
on
taco
bell
on
some
nights,
just
just
to
how
packed.
D
Across
the
street
from
chick-fil-a
somebody
else
had
mentioned
it
that
you
had
just
filled
in
or
covered
the
box
culver
that
was
constructed
there.
What
happens
with
all
that
property?
What
do
we
do
with
that?
Are
we
just
going
to
leave
it
as
is,
or
are
we
going
to,
maybe
maybe
create
some
kind
of
a
park
there?
I
don't
know.
H
I
mean
for
maintenance
purposes.
We
don't
want
to
have
anything
installed
on
top
of
it
in
case
we
ever
have
to
go
back
in
and
crack
into
that
double
box.
Culvert
that
was
put
in
there,
but
but
by
all
means
I
mean
jason-
does
pretty
landscaping,
we
landscape
with
brush
hogs.
So
it's
a
different
scenario.
H
Which
means
we
go
in
with
a
brush
hog
and
we
hog
it
down
and
be
done.
If
you
want
it
to
look
pretty,
then
you
gotta
talk
to
jason.
If
you
want
it
to
just
be
cut,
that's
us.
If
you
want
to
utilize
it
for
something
I
I
don't
know
that
we
would
be
against
that
as
an
opportunity.
I
don't
know
what
we
would
be
able
to
utilize.
You
don't
wanna,
you
can't
put
parking
lot
on
it.
You
can't
you
know
we
there's
certain
things.
You
wouldn't
want
to
do.
H
Between
jtv
and
marsh
landing,
parkway.
G
L
H
I
don't
think
we
identified
it
simply
because
it's
too
hard
to
get
to
because
you've
either
got
to
get
to
it
from
south
beach
parkway,
which
is
a
very
bad
intersection
for
people
to
be
trying
to
cross
under
jtb
to
get
across
to
it,
and
I
don't
think
there
was
any
way
to
get
back
the
other
direction
on
the
other
end
of
it.
So
I
don't
think
we
identified
it
at
least
in
what
we
preliminarily
did
on
the
urban
trails.
But,
like
I
said,
that's
that's
where
the
consultant
they're,
the
ones
that
do
it.
J
J
J
H
B
J
H
H
A
Yeah
all
right
guys,
it's
seven
o'clock:
it's
might
be
witching
hours.