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B
A
Okay,
we
have
a
forum
first
thing
on
the
agenda's:
approval
of
the
minutes
october,
25th,
regular
meeting
units,
any
question
or
concern
on
the
minutes.
Cnn
I'll,
entertain
a
motion,
mr
chairman
I'll
make.
C
A
Okay,
we're
not
going
to
have
a
downtown
cake
today,
so
let's
go
straight
to
staff
report.
Yes,.
B
B
B
Let
me
know
that
so
he
said
in
the
next
two
three
weeks:
they'll
have
another
contractor
out
there
to
finish
the
job,
so
that
should
hopefully
be
week
thanksgiving
week
after
you
should
see
people
out
there
working
on
that
again
and
lengthen
plaza
the
title
work
in
the
statue
jason's
aware
of
it,
but
they
are
having
to
wait
until
after
deck
of
chairs
to
begin
that
project
just
to
not
interfere
with
that,
because
they
have
to
put
up
a
big
tent
to
kind
of
cover
the
area
and
they
anticipate
starting
early
january
that
second
week
and
they
anticipate
a
two
week
turnaround
time.
A
B
Yes,
they
will
they'll,
have
it
tinted
off
and
covered
so
that
way
yeah,
so
people
can't
mess
with
it.
Nobody
gets
hurt,
I
think
you're,
talking
about
during
the
depth
of
chairs,
yes
and
you're.
Talking
about
dad,
I
will
find
out
that's
a
good
question.
I'm
sorry,
I
thought
you're
talking
about
during
the
actual
construction.
B
B
B
The
cost
did
come
back
a
little
over
what
we
anticipated.
That
is
because
there
have
been
several
broken
poles
with
the
arms
and
rather
than
just
kind
of
have
them
halfway
hung.
They
are
going
to
come
in
and
fix
the
ones
on
the
poles
that
need
it.
So
the
banners
are
safely
secured
and
then
he
will
be
following
up
with
me
in
january
of
22
to
come
back
down
and
we're
going
to
go
through
the
district
and
see
where
the
banners
are
supposed
to
be
versus
where
they
are
because
apparently
we're
short,
several
banners.
B
Several
of
the
polls
have
been
damaged
to
the
point
where
they
stopped
putting
banners
up.
Banners
went
missing,
et
cetera,
so
we're
going
to
revisit
this
and
get
a
game
plan
together.
So
we
know
exactly
how
many
we
need,
how
many
we
need
fixing
so
I'll.
Bring
that
back
to
you
guys
in
the
staff
report
in
january
too,.
A
B
Parks
is
going
to
reuse
the
tiles
and
they
are
going
to
put
the
pickets
out
to
people
who
originally
created
them.
They
were
working
on
some
database.
I'll,
be
honest.
I
do
not
know
how
they
found
the
people
that
made
them
originally,
but
their
plan
was
to
get
a
hold
of
them
and
give
them
the
opportunity
to
come
and
get
their
tickets,
and
then
I
know
they
plan
to
at
least
the
last.
We
talked
with
the
new
one.
Have
something
similar.
B
E
E
There
was
a
quote
from
the
city
council,
but
you
know
we
got
no
credit
for
it
in
the
beaches
later,
and
that
goes
to
a
further
point
and
looking
back,
I
always
check
the
beaches
leader
for
say
if
they
pick
up
anything
from
our
meeting
or
anything
and
for
the
last
year,
they've
been
radio
silent
on
anything
involving
the
cra,
and
I
think
we've
had
some
things
of
interest,
but
I
know
they,
you
know
send
a
reporter
to
the
city.
Council
would
probably
watch,
but
I'm
not
sure
they
were
on
their
radar.
Okay,.
E
Playground,
this
is
probably
old
business,
but
you
know
we
have
these
dates
on
the
public
works
project
for
the
south.
You
know
those
streets
down
there,
yeah
talking
about
1031
for
the
30
design
plan
and
60.
E
I
keep
getting
inquiries.
When
are
we?
You
know
right
from
the
residents
saying
when
are
we
going
to
get
a
chance
to
comment
on
plans?
E
B
I
will
have
I'll
talk
to
dennis
and
see
if
he's
able
to
come
to
one
of
the
next
meetings.
So
he
can
just
address
these
himself
because
I
don't
even
want
to
attempt
to
speak
on
behalf
of
dennis.
E
On
the
planning
department
projects-
and
just
we
have
all
of
these
here,
but
the
lot
next
to
the
amphitheater-
I
don't
know
if
there's
an
update
on
it,
but
I'd
like
to
have
that
added
to
this,
because
that's
just
this
big
old
makeup
lap
right
now-
and
I
understood
it-
was
like
six
months
ago-
they
were
supposed
to
be
finalizing
all
their
permits
and
nothing's
happening.
There.
E
You
you're
the
thing
that
you
added
or
someone
added
at
the
end,
their
staff
wants
to
work
on
this
plan
for
one
calendar
year
and
I
can
understand
that
they
want
to
see
how
things
work,
but
in
the
meantime,
I'm
concerned
that
things
aren't
being
addressed
like
today.
I
walked
the
dog
down.
Fourth
avenue
and
fourth
avenue
on
both
sides
of
the
streets.
The
medians
looked
just
terrible
leaves
dead
waves.
E
Dead
grass
growing
for
the
dead
grass
plantings
and
if
we
have
to
wait
another
six
months
before
that
stuff
is
even
addressed.
My
you
know,
I
think
that's
a
concern.
We
have
the
money,
we
want
to
get
it
cleaned
up.
I
don't
think
that
we
need
to
necessarily
hold
off
on
things
to
get
stuff
like
that
across
because
again,
our
our
streetscapes,
you
know,
we've
got
some
problems
with
the
property
owners
maintaining,
but
our
stuff
looks
terrible
too.
Okay
and
I've.
E
You
know
been
saying
that
admit
for
walk-arounds
the
last
year
and
a
half
with
you
guys
and
some
of
it
has
been
addressed,
but
it
still
doesn't
look
good,
okay,
and
I
think
that
was
it.
A
C
These
items
is
there
anything
that
can
be
done
to
move
along
a
little
bit
more
quickly.
The
work
on
phase
three
for
the
public
works
projects
base
3c,
it
just
seems
like
this
is
taking
a
significant
amount
of
time
to
get
this
project
underway,
and
it
really
needs
to
get
done.
That's
kind
of
the
missing
link
between
the
work
that
had
been
done
further
south
and
then
also
further
north,
and
it
would
be
good
to
get
this
accomplished
and,
as
jeff
said,
I
totally
agree.
C
We
need
to
have
some
meetings
with
residents
to
coordinate,
what's
going
to
be
done
down
there,
so
we
don't
have
the
same
issues
that
presented
themselves
when
the
southern
part
of
that
work
was
done.
Okay,
is
there
anything
in
reference
to
the
dune
walkovers?
I
guess
that's
what
you
know
it's
going
to
get
started,
but
are
we
underway?
Are
they
ready
to
start.
B
B
So
I
think,
like
I
said,
to
jeff,
I
think
the
best
thing
will
be
to
ask
dennis
to
come
to
our
next
meeting.
If
he's
available,
so
he's
able
to
answer
a
lot
of
these
questions.
C
Okay,
the
shared
bike
lane
from
on
first
street
and
from
margaritaville
that
still
needs
to
be
redone.
It's
not
completed.
C
He
had
made
a
comment
that
the
contractor
didn't
do
it
right
to
begin
with,
and
nothing
more
has
proceeded
in
reference
to
that.
Okay,
same
thing,
with
the
public
works
item
about
the
additional
striking
at
the
end
of
6th
avenue
north
end
zone,
I
would
think
that's
something
that
can
get
quickly
done.
C
B
C
Because
that
also
includes
the
south
end
right:
okay,
so
yep,
because
that's
important
for
us
to
be
able
to
finish
our
planning
as
it
relates
to
the
south
beach
district
and
the
future
cip
projects
that
would
occur.
There
yeah
potential
projects,
the
reinforced,
concrete,
medium
barriers.
Are
we
ready
to
get
started
with
that.
B
They
are,
they
have,
I
think,
begin
the
process
of
seeking
out
the
contract
earning
it
done,
but
the
funding
and
everything
was
approved
through
us
and
council.
So
there
is
nothing
else
that
we
need
to
do
other
than
just
make
sure
it
happens.
Yeah.
C
This
is
a
little
bit
of
an
aside
is
not
specifically
as
close
to
the
cra
district,
but
down
in
the
south
district.
As
you
come
off
with
jtb
to
south
beach,
the
exit
ramp
at
marsh
landing
boulevard,
there's
some
major
potholes
there
and
they
really
need
to
get
filled
before
somebody
has
a
it's
a
major
hole
and
damages
their
vehicle,
but
that's
a
little
bit
outside
the
cra
district.
I
just
wanted
to
bring
that
to
public
works
attention.
C
Okay,
what
I'd
like
to
see
us
do
is
to
develop
a
paver
improvements
plan
for
the
downtown
area.
I
think
that's
something
that
we
need
to
get
our
arms
around.
So
with
all
of
the
construction
that's
going
on
in
the
downtown
area,
the
pavers
are
being
torn
up
significantly
and
previous
rework
is
just
doesn't
match
the
existing
papers
and
things
so
I'd
like
to
see
us
get
our
arms
around
what
we
need
to
do
in
reference
to
the
pavers,
the
landscape
planners
and
things.
C
To
that
extent,
in
the
downtown
area
and
that
needs
to
coordinate,
I
think,
with
whatever
work
we
do
for
the
peer
entry
area
and
that's
another
discussion.
I
know
that
shows
up
in
your
notes
with
its
height
that
we
need
to
do,
but
there
seems
to
be
a
little
broader.
In
my
opinion,
conversation
in
rutgers.
C
Along
the
same
lines
later
on,
you
talk
about
the
fear,
update
and
the
work
being
done
at
the
peer.
You
know
anticipated
completion
date
for
the
peers,
2022,
which
is
coming
up
very
quickly.
C
There's
also
a
comment
made
later
about
the
survey
that
you
were
trying
to
get
accomplished
in
the
rights
in
reference
to
the
incentives,
the
I.
I
would
highly
recommend
that
we
have
conversations
with
foreigners
in
delray
beach
about
incentives
that
they've
used
to
further
their
cra
redevelopment
in
their
downtown
areas.
A
Then
hold
this.
B
All
right
for
discussion-
yes,
now
those
that
get
some.
So
our
last
meeting
downtown
came
up
downtown
projects
and
we
haven't
really
kind
of
gone
back
into
this
much
summer
after
we
had
some
preliminary
sessions,
council
substance
objectives
and
then
we
kind
of
had
a
bunch
of
other
projects,
resolutions
and
things
we
had
to
approve.
So
this
one
was
kind
of
sitting
on
the
back
burner.
B
So
the
memo
you
will
find
attached
kind
of
encompasses
everything
that
we've
talked
about,
at
least
since
heather,
and
I
have
been
in
the
world
that
we're
in
we
talked
about
the
economic
development
objectives,
the
land
use
objectives
which
again
are
objectives
that
council
set.
B
We
also
kind
of
reference,
a
section
there
that
goes
over
what
the
cra
and
staff
have
implemented
or
began
the
process
of
implementing
and
then
basically,
what
we're
asking
from
you
guys
is
to
review
the
different
lists
of
projects
that
were
that
were
come
up
with
in
july,
which
is
that
very
last
page
and
then
any
additional
projects
that
maybe
we
want
to
look
into
that
fit
under
those
objectives
given
by
council
and
then
give
staff
direction
to
begin
planning
to
implement
those
projects
and
then
bring
a
plan
back.
A
A
C
I've
got
a
couple
of
comments
for
you.
You
referenced
the
language
objectives,
we
talk
about
green
spaces
and
the
focus
efforts
on
green
spaces
wholeheartedly.
I
support
that.
We
need
to
look
at
what
fort
myers
did.
They've
got
some
wonderful,
intimate,
plazas
and
so
forth
that
come
off
of
their
main
streets
that
have
unique
restaurants
and
shopping,
and
things
like
that
and
somehow,
using
that
concept
and
figuring
out
how
we
might
be
able
to
do
that
within
within
our
downtown
district,
I
think,
would
be
advantageous.
C
There's
a
couple
of
other
things
that
I'd
just
like
to
comment
on.
One
thing
I'd
like
to
see
the
cra
consider
is
providing
incentive
for
lead
certification,
which
is
leadership
in
energy
and
environmental
design.
C
This
is
a
well-known
program
and
results
in
taking
care
of
some
climate
change
issues
it
also
plus
energy
use
in
buildings
and
things
to
that
extent.
So
I
think
if
we
provided
an
incentive
to
a
developer
for
doing
elite,
certified
buildings
say
their
solar,
gold
and
platinum
levels.
C
If
we
do
at
least
you
know
silver
level
that
they
can
get
obtain
a
solar
certification,
that
there
are
some
incentives
for
them
for
doing
that,
one
of
the
things
that
struck
me
again
in
fort
myers
was
the
use
of
different
trees
along
the
streetscape,
not
just
palm
trees,
but
other
types
of
trees,
and
there
was
an
interesting
article.
C
I
ran
across
that
talked
about
the
fact
that
palm
trees
are
not
very
good
at
removing
cots
out
of
the
air
that
your
true
deciduous
trees
are
much
better
at
that
and
provide
more
shade
and
help
with
the
heat
island
effect.
So
as
we
look
forward
to
doing
some
developments,
I'd
like
to
see
us
consider
things
other
than
just
palm
trees.
C
I
feel
that
one
of
the
projects
that
the
cra
really
needs
to
take
a
look
at
to
move
forward
and
initiate
some
real
development
for
the
downtown
area
is
looking
at.
What's
envisioned
in
our
vision
plan
for
the
latham
parking
lot,
I'd
like
to
see
us
move
forward
as
soon
as
possible,
with
some
kind
of
a
p3
development
opportunity
for
the
latham
parking
lot.
C
Is
it's
clearly
defined
in
our
vision
plan
and
moving
that
forward,
I
think,
would
do
a
lot
for
initiating
other
development
in
the
downtown
area.
C
The
other
thing
that
we
ought
to
take
a
look
at
is
to
take
away
and
take
a
look
at
ways
of
strengthening
the
vision
the
corridor
is
mentioned
in
the
vision
plan.
We
have
the
retail
corridor,
the
entry
core
or
the
there
are
a
number
of
things
that
we
should
be
looking
at
to
really
strengthen
those
corridors
that
are
in
that
vision.
Plan,
and
those
are
my
comments.
Thank
you.
E
Okay,
just
on
you
know
the
sustainability
things
one
of
the
checked
items
on
the
chart
and,
along
with
a
couple
of
things
that
gary
was
saying,
you
know
we're
undertaking
that
final
section
of
the
south
infrastructure
work-
and
I
don't
know
if
this
is
feasible
at
all
or
something
that
could
be
incorporated
at
this
stage
of
the
planning
process.
But
there
are
from
a
municipal
standpoint,
there
are
a
couple
construction
techniques
that
some
of
the
advanced
or
sustainable
advocates
are
pushing
and
that
are
actually
a
commercial
project
product.
E
Now
one
is
when
you're
doing
street
in
the
concrete
or
whatever
to
make
it
reflective.
So
the
sun
goes
back
up
into
the
stratosphere
or
whatever
doesn't
heat
up
the
ground.
You
know
helping
with
the
heat
iron
and
related
well,
not
related,
but
also
in
the
construction
of
concrete.
E
There
are
new
concretes
available
that
don't
involve
the
use
of
carbon
dioxide
and
making
concrete
is
one
of
the
biggest
generators
of
co2
worldwide,
and
there
are
commercial,
co2,
free
or
processes
for
concrete
available,
and
maybe
we
should
at
least
investigate
or
have
the
planners
for
the
bidding
and
whatnot
of
the
project.
E
B
A
A
B
Center,
here
that's
really
good
yeah
and,
as
far
as
like
I
said
in
this,
it's
not
a
resolution
or
anything
to
pass,
which
is
having
consensus
that
the
projects
listed
on
here,
focusing
on
the
green
spaces,
the
land
use
economic
development
and
actually
getting
some
concrete
plans
and
objectives
together
to
bring
back
to
you
guys-
and
you
know
the
beginning
of
2022-
is
that
something
that
we
can
get
consensus
on
for
staff
to
start
doing
kind
of
the
back
end
homework,
to
bring
things
to
you
guys
for
approval
to
actually
get
some
concrete
foundations
going
on
some
of
these
projects.
B
Here,
mr
chairman,
I
would
just
add
to
that
taylor
that
one
of
the
things
that.
B
C
Need
the
framework
for
how
we
can
do
a
p3
project,
because
the
sooner
we
have
that
the
sooner
we
can
maybe
get
some
development
opportunities
going,
particularly
as
I
referenced
earlier.
The
parking
lot
over
now
south
of
lakes,
from
plaza,
because
I
think
that's
our
golden
opportunity
right
there
to
do
something.
B
Okay,
we'll
put
that
on
the
list
of
items
to
kind
of,
like
I
said,
follow
up
on
and
get
some
do
some
homework
on
to
bring
back.
You
guys
have
some
follow-up
stuff
for
you
to
actually
vote
on
so
I'll.
Make
sure
that
we
follow
up
with
legal
and
finance
on
that.
G
G
So
I
did
bring
my
original
thing.
I
submitted
it,
so
I
can
give
to
everybody
to
talk
about
where
I
can
just
bring
it
during
our
meeting
our
workshop
next
month.
G
A
B
Mr
chairman,
if
I'm
mad,
you
want
to
point
out,
you'll
have
an
hour
and
a
half,
and
we
have
one
more
item
to
talk
about.
So
if
you
want
to
get
started
on
some
of
this
or
the
only
next
thing
we
have
is
fra
conference
recap
and
cardi
is
a
florida
visitors
and
I
don't
think
any
of
our
visitors
have
filled.
D
Well,
I
can
give
you
a
brief
update,
sir.
We
are
in
the
process
of
drafting
what
I
would
call
the
template
position
for
the
record.
Thank.
D
City
attorney
for
the
city
of
jacksonville
beach,
I'm
in
consultation
with
the
planning
director
and
we're
in
the
process
of
developing
what
I
will
call
a
template
deed
for
the
conveyance
of
foreign
street,
and
we
should
be
able
to
bring
something
back
to
you
very
soon,
but
we
are
in
the
midst
of
working
on
it
right
now.
So
I'm
happy
to
answer
whatever
questions
I
can,
but
I
do
want
you
to
know
that
it
has
not
gone.
D
A
G
Do
we
have
an
idea
of
the
time
frame
that
we're
looking
at
for
us
to
review
it
and
then
get
it
available
to
the
city,
and
the
reason
I
ask
is
because
we've
already
been
discussing
this
for
over
a
year-
maybe
two
years
now
and
now
with
the
market
cooling
off.
And
what
have
you
I'm
wondering
if
it
just
how
much
longer
we
might
have
to
wait?
I'm
not,
I
know
you're
new,
just
getting
into
it's
on
your
first
thing,
so
I'm
not
rushing.
For
that
reason.
G
D
I
can
estimate
what
I
can
do
and
just
to
be
fair
to
staff.
This
has
been
placed
on
my
plate
since
I've
arrived.
I've
been
here
for
a
month,
but
that's
not
an
excuse.
D
But
I
will
defer
to
this
ireland
to
determine
the
timing
for
getting
it
back
to
you,
but
I
can
at
least
step
forward
with
a
draft
to
her
by
now
later
that
the
tuesday
after
thanksgiving
and
it's
possible
that
we
can
have
something
out
of
my
office
by
the
end
of
this
week.
Everything
is
contingent
on
some
other
again,
some
other
matters
so.
H
G
D
F
F
Just
a
couple
of
the
bullet
points
that
I'm
going
to
go
through
from
learning
at
the
conference.
Is
that
an
interesting
aspect
that
we
can
add
to
our
cra
is
we
can
designate
cra
funds
during
an
emergency
without
having
to
go
through
the
taxing
authorities?
So
if
we
put
that
in
a
plan
we
can
enable
city
council
to
pay
for
things
like
during
a
hurricane,
you
know
without
having
to
have
us
approved
as
long
as
it's
in
the
plan.
I
thought
that
was
super
interesting.
F
Another
thing
is:
we
can
provide
low
interest
loans
to
businesses
to
come
into
the
area
and
one
of
the
things
that
the
guy
leading
the
conference
said
is
it's.
It's
revenue,
isn't
a
scary
word
for
city,
you
know
governments.
We
should
be
looking
for
things
other
than
just
tiff
financing
by
creating
revenue
for
the
cra,
because
that
goes
to
pay
for
things
that
don't
make
revenue
like
roads
and
sewers
and
stuff
like
that.
So
I
thought
that
was
key,
that
there's
a
lot
of
different
ways
that
we
can
use
cra
funds
to
generate
actual.
F
Another
thing
that
I
thought
was
really
interesting
is
that
we
can
actually
use
if
again,
if
it's
part
of
our
claim
expenditures
for
relocate
relocation
documents.
So
if
there's
an
opportunity
to
work
on
a
p3
which
I
mean
p3,
we
said
I
don't
know
a
thousand
times
at
this
point,
so
public
partnering
other
partnership
was
all
the
ways,
but
we
can
actually
assist
in
the
relocation
of
occupancy.
F
You
know,
there's
one
of
the
points
that
goes
to
jeffers
earlier
is
the
cra
needs
to
tell
its
own
story
and
communication
we
need
to
be.
You
know
our
staff
for
the
cra
needs
to
be
posting
out.
You
know
the
most
successful
ones
had
their
own
social
media
accounts,
they
had
their
own
communication
people
and
they
were
echoing
with
the
cras,
because
other
than
that
the
people
don't
even
know
what
we
were
doing
and
all
of
them
all.
F
You
could
tell
the
very
big,
successful
cras
from
these,
not
so,
and
they
all
have
their
own
social
media
communication.
I
also
already
mentioned
the
amending
the
resets
the
base
here
and
then
yeah.
I
need
to
I
put
another
star
need
to
increase
revenue
outside
of
tiff,
and
you
know
those
are
some
of
the
big
points,
though,
and
also
we
asked
him
straight
up.
F
F
E
F
They
it's
a
little
older
of
a
city,
it
seemed
like,
but
they
converted
a
lot
of
public
spaces
away
from
roads
to
walkable
spaces
with
outdoor
dining,
and
it
was
obvious
that
they
had
a
you
know
purposeful,
intent
to
end
automobiles
through
certain
sections
to
create
monetary
outside
space,
so
very,
very
educational.
I
appreciate
the
city
center
question
on.
F
It
was
a
public
partnership
where
they,
I
think
they
provided
loans,
rate
loans
for
the
hotel,
and
then
you
know
then,
and
then
you
had
a
head
space
right
next
to
it,
which
was
the
cra,
and
so
they,
you
know
kind
of
work
off
of
each
other.
If
you
put
an
event
space
there,
the
hotel's
got.
You
know
business.
A
But
jim,
how
would
you
spill
off
that?
It's
as
we've
discussed
before
you
can
take
the
money
caught
up
in
the
cities
but
in
effect,
you're
investing
with
the
private
developer
to
help
him
reach
his
target
returns
and
make
sure
that
you
have
a
successful
project
and,
as
we've
discussed,
you
would
have
clawbacks
to
make
sure
he
performs,
but
that's
a
very
valid
use
of
the
project
to
make
it
work
for
the
development
community.
Absolutely.
G
In
to
your
low
interest
loans,
and
what
have
you
we
have,
as
cra
mentioned,
that
and
also
becoming
landlords
for
properties
that
we
would
have
it
was
past
administration
that
did
not
want
us
to
ever
be
landlords.
Has
anyone
and
discussed
with
this
new
administration?
G
B
G
Engage
their
interest
because,
with
this
private
partnership
with
the
hotel,
what
have
you
I
mean?
We
addressed
that
with
the
parking
garage
we
addressed
it
with
this
parking
lot
over
here
with
the
grain,
turning
the
green
partially
into
seating
for
restaurants
that
were
facing
north.
We
addressed
it
multiple
times
and
it
was
always
no.
We
don't
want
to
be
landlords.
G
So
if
that's
the
case,
if
you
become
one
worse,
I
do
think
we'll
need
another
staff
person.
You
would
do
that
specifically
before
you
even
approach
that
we
need
to
see
if
our
administration
isn't
even
open
up
to
that
option,
and
that
was
my
and
of
course,
the
social
media
and
the
staff
has
always
been
a
thing
you
guys
are
working
on.
So
I
appreciate
that
too,
but
that's
that
was
my
question.
C
Okay,
thank
you.
The
cra
conference
was
was
very
informative.
We
ended
up
covering
subjects
related
to
board
training,
legislative
preview,
design,
ethics,
fiscal,
any
economic
analysis
and
legal
issues.
In
fact,
ethics
was
was
given
by
cliff
shepard,
who
we've
used
in
the
past
for
legal
services,
and
things
like
that.
A
gentleman
by
the
name
of
jeff
burton
who
is
the
executive
director
for
the
palmetto
cra
was
the
trainer
for
the
board
training.
C
C
The
fra
gives
out
awards
the
awards
are
everything
from
the
reports,
the
yearly
reports
that
are
required
to
best
projects
to
thinking
outside
of
the
box,
both
for
small
projects,
large
projects,
and
there
was
a
booklet
that
was
passed
out
at
the
dinner
that
talks
about
all
the
submissions
and
the
unique
things
that
each
of
the
cras
is
doing
and
something
I
would
recommend
that
we
take
a
look
at,
and
hopefully,
sometime
in
the
near
future,
we'd
be
able
to
to
submit
fort
myers
was
impressive,
flying
sidewalks
with
plenty
of
outdoor
seating
for
significant
restaurants.
C
There
were
all
types
of
restaurants.
Anything
you
wanted
from
italian
food
to
your
typical
burger
places
to
more
fancy
sit
down
seedy.
C
It
was
a
simple,
consistent,
paver
design
for
both
the
streets
and
the
sidewalks.
I've
got
some
photographs.
I'd
be
willing
to
share
with
you
that
really
impressed
me
with
how
clean
and
simple
and
straightforward
it
was
the
they
did,
a
very
nice
job
with
very
intimate
private
courtyards
that
were
lined
with
shops
and
restaurants,
just
taking
what
would
have
been
old
alleys
and
things
and
turning
them
into
really
wonderful
secluded
little
spaces.
For
people
to
to
sit
and
excuse
me
and
eat
there
was
well
organized
and
placed
street
furniture
throughout
the
city.
C
There
was
street
art
and
sculptures
throughout
the
city
that
you
had
to
find
a
little
bit,
but
you
know
they
pop
up
in
unexpected
places
and
actually
be
fun
to
see
the
tree.
Canopy
added
to
the
ambiances
under
the
courtyards,
it
was
was
very
unique.
The
the
one
thing
that
they
did
have
that
was
to
their
advantages.
They
had
a
number
of
old
buildings
and
they
remodeled
all
of
the
facades
of
those
buildings
and
really
created
a
very
unique
streetscape.
C
Yes,
and
some
of
those
buildings
were
greater
than
35
feet,
there
was
a
theater
arcade,
the
theater
arcade.
There
was
an
entrance
to
the
theater,
but
also
the
other
shots
and
things
that
were
down
along
that
arcade,
and
this
was
interior
with
things
that
supported
the
theater,
whether
it
was
a
costume
repair
shop
or
something
along
those
lines
where
all
the
shops
that
were
in
the
arcade,
they
took
the
old
post
office
and
turned
that
into
an
arcade
with
additional
restaurants
and
access
to
hotels.
C
The
they
developed
a
parking
deck
with
retail
at
the
lower
level
which
served
the
downtown
area
provided
additional
parking,
but
basically
sat
on
the
edge
of
the
downtown
cra
they're
in
the
process
of
building
a
music
pavilion
which
sits
right
on
the
river
down
there.
It
was
fenced
off
with
some
very
nice
construction,
fencing
graphics
that
showed
what
was
coming
and
the
ultimate
project
that
would
be
done.
C
The
cra
over
the
last
number
of
years
has
invested
more
than
400
million
dollars,
but
in
that
same
period
of
time
the
private
investors
have
put
in
a
billion
dollars
worth
of
investments
and
they
feel
they're
at
a
point
now
where
there
are
no
longer
incentives
required
by
the
cra
to
get
development
to
occur,
downtown
they've
kind
of
hit
that
magic
point
where
everything
that
they've
done
and
the
dollars
they've
put
in
have
gotten
into
that
level.
Where
developers
just
wanting
to
come
and
participate,
there's
about
224
cras
in
florida,
189
are
active.
C
C
The
it
was
stated
numerous
times
to
us
that
the
crop
award
should
be
entrepreneurial
and
be
willing
to
make
some
money.
That's
how
we
differ
from
the
city,
because
we
can
be
entrepreneurial,
we
can
make
money
and
we
can
plow
those
monies
back
into
the
community
to
do
even
more,
and
we
need
to
do
that
with
a
sense
of
urgency.
That's
the
thing:
if
you
don't,
according
to
the
successful
communities,
they've
indicated
that,
if
you
don't
show
urgency
you're
not
going
to
bring
the
development
team
into
the
community,
that's
what
they
found
to
be
successful.
C
C
C
They
are
specifically
hired
by
the
cra
to
function
for
them,
because
you
can't
serve
two
masters
and
there
were
several
items
identified
in
the
meetings
where,
if
you
have,
I
apologize,
but
if
you
have
a
city
attorney
who's
representing
both
the
cra
and
the
city,
there
will
be
times
of
conflict
and
it
would
be
best
for
the
cra
to
have
its
own
attorney
who's.
The
recommendation,
as
mentioned
earlier,
our
cra
budget
must
include
a
five-year
capital
improvements
plan
and
we
need
to
have
that
in
place
and
that
needs
to
be
done.
C
That
that
it,
everything
that
is
in
the
plan
can
be
funded
by
the
cra,
whether
it's
code,
enforcement,
non-profit,
app
activities,
promotion,
marketing,
incentives,
grants,
capital
expenditures,
maintenance
and
repair.
As
long
as
they're
in
the
plan,
we
can
do
them.
The
work
must
be
done
above
the
typical
city
maintenance
criteria.
So
there
are
things
we
can
do,
but
there
is
a
level
of
service,
that's
required
by
the
city,
and
we
can
go
beyond
that
and
be
funded
by
the
cra.
C
And
as
david
mentioned,
one
of
the
aspects
is
that
our
plan
should
finish
with
provisions
for
help
in
emergencies.
If
there's
an
emergency,
whether
it's
a
hurricane
or
whatever.
If
this
claim
calls
for
and
there's
a
need-
or
even
you
know,
culprit-related
issues,
there
was,
I
think
one
of
the
awards
given
this
year
was
for
the
fact
that
one
of
the
cities
went
forward
and
put
together
a
plan
for
outdoor
seating
for
restaurants
so
that
they
could
avoid
or
address
the
issues
of
cope.
C
There
were
other
incentives
that
were
mentioned.
You
know
low-cost
loans,
as
we
talked
about
the
other
one
that
I
found
interesting,
that
ford
meyers
uses
is
minority
participation
on
projects.
They
will
give
incentives
if
somebody
uses
15
minority
participation,
and
I
think
that's
a
program
that
maybe
would
make
sense
here,
is
to
do
something
along
those
lines.
C
C
Look
forward
to
legal
cities
as
well
as
the
fra
are
more
than
willing
to
help
in
trying
to
help
us
with
grant
funding.
If
that's
what
we
need.
In
fact,
there
is
one
program
out
there
called
the
florida
main
street
program
which
is
used
for
maintenance
of
downtown
main
streets
that
is
available
and
the
florida
league
of
cities
can
help
us
identify
sources
and
they're
willing
to
do
that.
C
For
cities
that
have
a
population
of
50,
000
or
less
so
again,
I
think
a
program
that
we
we
ought
to
take
a
look
at
recommend
that
strategic
planning
be
done
for
each
and
every
project
that
we
strategically
plan
how
we're
going
to
move
forward
and
make
sure
that
we're
addressing
each
and
every
item
as
it
comes
up,
and
we
do
it
with
a
sense
of
urgency.
That's
how
they
felt
they
were
successful
in
the
cities
that
that
have
implemented
some
unique
projects.
C
And
then
the
cra
really
needs
to
move
forward
with
implementing
a
both
great
projects
to
entice
the
developers.
That's
what
really
gets
the
development
team
on
board
and
allows
things
to
happen
is
to
get
the
all
great
stuff
done
and,
as
mentioned
earlier
by
jeff
and
the
whole
heart,
we
agreed
that
documenting
our
successes
and
improvements
and
then
sharing
them
with
the
community
is
something
that
we
really
need
to
use.
C
F
One
of
the
things
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
for
everyone
is
that,
as
gary's
saying
doing
a
strategy
planning
session
here,
that's
for
staff,
not
not
for
the
board
and
we're
just
supposed
to
you
know,
give
guidance
on
that.
So
that's
why
I
think
stresses
the
importance
of
more
dedicated
staff
for
the
cra.
I
also
want.
F
That
I
just
remembered
is
that
there
was
a
there
was
a
cra
staff
person.
I
forget
what
town
they're
from,
but
he
asked
the
guy
that
was
leading
it.
I've
got
a
property
downtown
that
desperately
needs
to
be
turned
into
a
parking
garage,
but
the
owner
of
the
property
won't
accept
market
value.
He
goes
it's
worth
a
million
dollars.
According
to
all,
you
know
zillows
out
there,
but
he
goes.
He
won't
sell
for
less
than
three
million
he
says.
F
Can
I
do
that
and
the
guy
said
absolutely
as
long
as
you
can
show
that
within
like
do
your
roi
ten
years
out
that
once
you
overpaid
for
that
property
turned
it
into
something
added
a
lot
of
value,
and
now
your
tif
increments
gone
way
up.
You
know
you
can
absolutely
overpay
for
property
in
order
to
do
that.
So
that's
another
thing
that
I
wanted
to
kind
of
throw
out
there.
F
G
I
have
a
lot
of
comments
and
I
want
to
say
thank
you
guys
very
much
for
going.
There
wasn't
one
thing
we
have
that
you
guys
mentioned
that
hasn't
been
addressed
or
requested
of,
so
I'm
very
happy
that
you
guys
have
now
officially
kind
of
developed
hey.
We
want
these
things
because
these
other
places
work
this
way.
G
C
G
C
I
believe
so,
yes,
she's
clearly
indicated
that
she'd
like
to
be
able
to
take
something
like
this
and
be
able
to
hand
it
to
folks
in
the
development
community
or
others
who
are
interested
in
doing
things
downtown.
C
Here's
what
we've
done,
here's
how
we
can
help
you
know
what
is
it
that
you
need
and
so
forth,
but
I
think.
F
That's
pretty
clear
where
gary
and
I
kind
of
differed
is
all
that
is
supposed
to
come
from
staff,
not
us,
and
so
when
I
talk
to
them,
you
know
I
I
flat
out
and
ask
the
jeff
bird
guy.
You
know
tell
me
about
your
board.
How
does
it
operate?
He
goes.
I
wish
I
had
a
board
that
could
do
anything.
He
goes
they
pretty
much
just
look
here.
We
go
and
he
does
all
the
work.
So
you
know,
as
we're
saying
we
need
to
present
that
I
don't
know
if
it's.
G
Us
I
hear
you,
but
we
finally
got
some
help
and
we
have
someone
who
is
willing
to
hear
us
and
direct.
We
need
to
hone
in
and
appreciate
that
and
see
what
we
can
work
on
with
that.
I
guess
we
need
more
help
if
we're
going
to
be
more
urgent
as
the
words
you
said
multiple
times,
but
we
also
have
to
be
considered
effective
where
we
are
versus
where
we
work.
G
So
in
that
aspect,
my
next
question
heather,
is:
if
we
did
hypothetically,
have
something
like
this:
do
we
have
access
to
anyone
that
we
could
use
cra
funds
to
maybe
adjust
how
they
get
paid
to
give
them
some
percentage
of
the
pay?
So
we
could
use
their
graphic
design,
marketing
skills
that
would
not
be
given
to
you.
H
D
H
Postcards
and
he's
able
to
help
us
with
other
stuff
as
well,
so
for
putting
together
a
book
like
that
that
gary
has
and
did
you
happen
to
pick
up
any
extra
copies
of
that,
because.
H
The
awards
ceremony,
because
I
had
a
council
meeting
at
the
same
time,
so
that's
something
that
we
could
develop
in
house,
certainly
whether
we're
putting
the
puzzle
pieces
in
there
and
then
our
communications
there
just
making
it
look
beautiful.
We
do
have
the
staff
in
place
to
be
able
to
put
something
like
that.
G
So
I
think
that
it
would
be
beneficial
to
add
on
to
the
pile
of
stuff
right.
G
G
You
know
this
is
where
this
area
is
and
it
could
be
kind
of
looked
at,
like
all
these
things
are
happening
out
of
town
that
could
possibly
catch
people's
eyes,
even
if
it's
on
the
website.
So
I'd
like
to
maybe
explore
that,
I'm
assuming
you
have
some
more
questions
specifically,
let's
have
more
after.
F
G
So
that
was
my
biggest
thing
with
that,
so
I
just
want
to
see
that
if
that's
kind
of
like,
like
you
know
a
physical
handout
and
maybe
even
put
down
these
are
our
incentive
plans.
I
know
we
haven't
figured
out
those
are
but
like
we
can
have
a
you
know.
These
are
the
things
available.
This
is
what's
in
the
pipeline
kind
of
like
your
list.
G
Something
is
to
have
the
future
on
that,
though
gary
you
also
mentioned
that
there's
a
lot
of
private
spaces
and
a
lot
of
you
know
alleyways
that
are
being
used
and
what
have
you,
which
is
also
something
we've
talked
about
our
music,
but
we've
always
been
stopped
by
the
code
and
the
parking
requirements
per
lots
downtown,
and
I
was
told
before
that
we
cannot
change
that.
It
has
to
be
done
through
city
council.
So
the
council
has
to
approve
that
change
in
our
parking
wrecks.
G
Is
that
something
that
we
can
change
in
our
incentive
thing,
because
originally
out
of
february
last
year
we
talked
about
possibly
changing
making
one
of
our
incentives
you
don't
we
will
pay
for
your
parking
because
we'll
supply
somewhere
else
we'll
pay
for
your
cover.
Your
parking
needs
if
you
and
you
can
use
90
of
your
lot
as
long
as
xyz
are
covered.
Is
that
something
you
can
do
with
like
it's
usable,
it's
pedestrian
friendly?
It's
has
a
certain
feel
like.
H
Any
changes
to
the
land
development
code
are
either
initiated
by
staff
or
council,
so
something
like
that
still
have
to
go
through
that
route.
As
far
as
incentives,
I
know
that
it's
been
discussed
in
the
context
of
the
potential
a
potential
to
increase
height,
that
there
could
be
some
parking
related
incentives
to
not
provide
parking,
for
example.
So
we
haven't
really
dug
down
into
the
weeds
on
that.
While
I'm
on
that
topic,
we're
going
to
send
you
guys
a
save
the
date
calendar
invitation
for
january
31st.
H
Let's
get
that
date
right,
okay,
you
already
sent
it
yay
she's
on
it,
for
a
public
workshop
to
talk
about
so
we're
still
having
those
conversations
you
guys
are
aware,
nobody
can
request
a
parking
variance
downtown,
but
we
have
the
pay
and
parking
program
so
that
developers
can
kind
of
buy
their
way
out
of
parking.
So
to
speak.
I
don't
know.
H
G
You
know,
cute
little
pedestrian,
slash,
you
know,
sit
down,
relax
type
feel
then
we
as
a
board
can
say
yes
use
this
money
to
cover
those
costs,
which
would
be
an
incentive
program.
I
would
like
that,
because
that
literally
you
guys,
since
I've
been
on
this
board,
that
question
has
been
asked
more
than
I
want
to
count.
So
if
we.
G
That,
finally,
before
my
turn's
over,
that
would
be
great.
So
that
was
one
thing
I
picked
up
on
what
you
were
saying
and
then
I'm
almost
done.
I'm
sorry
all
right.
C
Just
something
I
would
just
suggest
that
we
also
talked
to
michelle
terry
who's,
the
executive
director
down
at
fort
myers
of
the
cra,
I'm
just
curious
how
they're
dealing
with
parking?
How
did
they
get
the
parking
deck
in
that
they
did
to
supplement?
You
know
their
downtown
district.
I
know
they're
just
taller
than
35
feet
source
of
this
over,
but
yet
I
think
it
might
be
an
interesting
conversation.
C
G
G
I
will
say
that
there
are
still
city
council
members
who
have
come
to
me
and
even
giving
me
suggestions
on
who
to
speak
with,
because
every
cr
every
person
they
talk
to
on
cra.
They
are
driven
by
a
city
council
and
if
they
do
have
different
attorneys
and
if
they
do
have
all
these
things.
How
is
that
possible?
If
the
city
council
is
running
their
cra
as
well?
G
G
We're
not
at
that
point,
but
it's
still
a
threat
that
hovers
over
us
because
we're
not
being
as
productive,
and
I
don't
think
they're
seeing
the
big
picture.
But
that's
just
my
feelings.
So
that's
my
big
worry
is
that
we
talk
about
them.
Have
these
you
talk
to
these
successful
cras
and
they're
they're,
correct
and
urgent
and
they
have
their
own
staff
and
they
have
all
these
other
things.
But
then
you
look
at
us
and
we've
been.
G
Get
some
of
those
things
and
for
that
threat
to
still
be
there,
I
don't
know
how
they
can,
how
we
can't
even
compare
ourselves
or
even
explain
to
our
own
council
that
showing
us
these
other
cras.
That's
supposedly
our
only
counsel
how
they
even
compare,
because
it's
not
it
doesn't
jive
to
me.
So
did
you
hear
anything
about
that
other
than
that.
F
Yeah,
so
that
was
a
game
of
buy.
They
made
sure
that
when
the
city
council
shared
the
same
hat
that
they
kept
it
completely
separate,
not
handling
any
cra
business.
On
the
same
day,
they
still
did
have
their
own
cra
staff,
separate
from
the
city,
council
staff,
and
so
in
those
instances-
and
I
actually
spoke
with
the
cra
of
bradenton-
and
they
highly
warned
me-
do
not
mix
the
two.
F
It
creates
some
nightmares
and
I
think
they're
probably
alluding
to
some
of
the
challenges
you
just
noted
out
there,
but
yeah
they
jeff
brooks
is
a
completely
separate
lanes
and
that's
how
they
handle
this
here.
C
To
try
to
answer
your
question
that
you
know
that
I
think
at
least
from
what
I
saw-
and
I
didn't
talk
to
all
224
cras,
but
we're
anomaly
out
there
because
of
the
way
we're
organized
I'm
just
trying
to
be
frank
here,
but
very
anomaly,
because
you
have
city
council
and
then
you
have
the
cra
and
the
cra
is
made
up
of
appointed
individuals
from
from
the
community.
C
I
can't
tell
you
I
don't
have
enough
experience
that
even
after
listening
to
all
of
it,
but
you
know,
the
thing
that
they
seem
to
all
stress
is
that
having
a
staff,
that's
focused
on
your
projects
and
moving
them
forward
and
doing
the
day-to-day
stuff
that
needs
to
be
done.
All
the
strategic
planning
they
had.
C
Some
of
the
cras
had
five
to
seven
people
on
a
project
to
run
all
the
rabbits
that
needed
to
be
run
because
it's
everything
from
you
know
planning
issues
to
zoning
issues,
to
you
know
architectural
detailing
and
things
and
so
on
and
so
forth.
It's
a
huge
amount
of
stuff.
When
you
really
start
to
look
at
it
all,
and
some
of
it
doesn't
move
so
quickly.
C
F
F
F
G
It's
just
got
to
be
francis,
so
that
just
basically
means
to
me
that
it
took
us
three
years
to
get
our
help,
that
we
have
and
I'm
grateful
for
both
of
you
just
so
you
guys
know,
but
if
we
want
to
be
urgent
and
if
we
want
city
council
to
see
that
we
could
run
this
and
they
wouldn't
have
to
deal
with
it,
the
parts
that
we
did
not
moving.
G
Not
only
do
you
guys
need
help,
but
we've
been
told
multiple
times
that
we
can't
like
the
community
center
they're,
utilizing
that
office
space
and
that's
a
sierra
area
that
we
would
actually
have
to
build
possibly
a
new
space,
because
here
is
limited
they
already,
they
don't
have
any
more
room
for
any
more
staff.
You
guys
never
have
that
whole
discussion
when
we're
trying
to
get
sassier,
so
we
can't
hire
someone
because
there's
no
spot
for
them.
So
that
brings
me
to
when
we
have
this
discussion
about
downtown.
G
It
might
be
worth
finding
out
before
we
have
the
discussion,
possibly
if
the.
If
we
have
the
money
to
fund
more
people
and
more
space,
be
it
part
of
this
or
somewhere
else?
Would
they
be
open
to
it?
Because
if
we're
going
to
try
to
do
the
drive
that
we're
talking
about
and
drive
revenue
into
this
area,
we're
going
to
have
to
supply
our
staff
more
help
and
for
us
to
do
that
back
to
the
foundations
of
what
do
they
need.
G
G
A
All
right,
courtesy
of
florida,
visitors.
A
Let's
before
we
forget,
you
are
coming
back
the
meeting.
The
next
meeting
is
what
day
december
13th
morning.