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A
Good
afternoon
my
name
is
aj
soto,
I'm
the
budget
officer
I'll,
be
running
you
all
through
the
fy23
operating
budget,
and
then
I
would
imagine
the
second
item,
which
is
the
capital
improvement
plan
director
baron
and
I
will
kind
of
tag
team
that
one
as
well.
So
I
believe
it's
the
second
page
of
your
attachment,
the
one
that's
labeled
page,
one
of
three
we
broke
it
out
by
activity.
A
We
broke
it
out
by
activity
for
each
district,
so
in
the
downtown
district,
we'll
start
with
the
downtown
cape
program,
and
I
intend
to
walk
you
all
through
each
category.
So
please
just
stop
me
and
ask
me
any
questions.
If
you
have
them
I'll,
be
happy
to
answer
them
and
if
I
can
answer
them
I'll,
get
the
information
and
get
back
to
the
community.
B
A
Personal
services,
you
see
it's
overall,
it's
going
up
about
4.8
citywide,
we're
going
to
be
seeing
that
city
council
approved
a
three
percent
cola
a
couple
months
ago
across
the
board.
There
is
a
pay
study.
That's
in
the
process
of
being
finalized.
A
We
anticipate
will
impact
salaries
across
all
levels
and
then
there's
also
an
assumption
that
every
employee
will
get
a
certain
amount
of
merit
increase
during
next
fiscal
year
as
well,
which
is
very
common,
and
so
this
number
reflects
that.
It
also
reflects
benefit
elections
that
employees
make
that's
usually
the
largest
unknown
in
the
salary
benefits
category,
because,
while
an
employee
might
select,
you
know
individual
coverage
this
year,
you
know
there's
nothing
that
tells
me
what
they're
going
to
select
next
year.
They
might
elect
family
coverage.
I'm
a
good
example
of
that.
A
As
the
police
fleet
continues
to
age,
it
costs
more
to
maintain
those
vehicles.
City
council,
back
at
their
meeting
on
march,
7th
approved
a
plan
that
I
worked
in
conjunction
with
the
police
department
on
to
kind
of
establish
a
new
standard
for
the
police
food
and
the
desire
is
to
make
it
a
useful
life
of
eight
years
for
mark
to
vehicles
and
ten
years
for
unmarked
vehicles,
and
so
the
vehicle
replacement
schedule
that
you
see
on
page
45
of
the
cip.
A
Although
I
can
never
promise
you
that
it's
always
going
to
cost
us
less
to
maintain
a
vehicle,
especially
when
a
lot
of
the
stuff
that
goes
into
maintaining
it's
pretty
volatile
right
oil
fuel,
that
kind
of
stuff
and
then
other
operating
costs,
which
includes
you,
know,
bank
fees,
communications,
utilities,
postage,
that's
remaining
relatively
flat,
it's
going
up
a
modest
2500
and
so
shifting
to
the
capital.
Oblate
section
you
see
that
fifteen
thousand
dollars
for
equipment.
I
have
a
question.
C
About
that
section,
actually
I
meant
to
ask
before
this
reading
for
the
the
vehicles
I
was
trying
to
find
in
my
notes,
that
about
us
changing
out
the
cars
with
the
trucks
and
if
they
were
actually
a
request
to
add
more
vehicles
to
the
fleet
versus
so
my
question
is:
are
we
just
replacing
on
this
scheduled
two
trucks,
or
are
we
going
to
be
adding
more
to
our
inventory
and
then
replace
these
as
needed?
We.
A
A
That's
the
department
standard
now
and,
unfortunately,
the
lead
times
on
those
are
about
six
to
eight
months.
But
so
yes,
it's
it's.
These
two
vehicles
that
are
slated
for
replacement
and
the
department
will
drive
those
until
the
replacement
comes
in.
C
A
A
A
All
right,
so,
if
we
flip
to
page
two,
this
would
be
the
non-police
functions
of
the
downtown
district,
and
so
you
know,
personal
services
is
showing
a
modest
decline
of
about
5.8
percent.
That's
attributable
to
a
couple
of
things,
primarily
the
health
insurance
elections
as
they
change
from
year
to
year,
and
we
also
have
had
turnover
in
the
positions
that
get
allocated
to
this
function.
Typically,
you
know
we
had
a
prior
planning
director.
We
had
a
former
city
engineer
who
passed
away
and
they
restoration
as
their
replacements
get
brought
in.
A
Moving
on
to
the
operating
side
of
the
budget,
you've
got
your
professional
and
legal
services.
You
know
you've
got
65
000
budgeted
for
outside
professional
services,
so
a
good
example
would
be.
You
know,
firms
that
we
hire
folks
like
the
southern
group
or
another
professional
services
group
that
could
provide
services
to
the
board
or
the
department
as
needed,
and
then
15
000
of
that
adk
is
budgeted
specifically
for
legal
services.
A
A
right
now.
It
shows
zero
dollars
in
expenditures,
but
40
000
of
that
is
currently
encumbered
with
gai.
I
believe
they're,
one
of
our
engineering
consulting
firms
dennis,
and
that
was
for
a
requisition
for
our
legal
market
analysis
of
parking
lots.
So
some
of
that
money
is
encumbered,
it
just
hasn't
been
spent
yet,
which
is
why
you
see
a
zero,
and
I
just
wanted
to
point
out
that
100
000
was
added
back
in
the
fy
2021
budget
process.
A
We
have
this
new
employee
coming
in
we're,
not
sure
what
they're
going
to
need,
they're,
probably
not
sure
what
they're
going
to
need
either
and
so
let's
park
some
funds
in
certain
accounts.
So
that
way
they
have
some
resources
to
hire
outside
consultants,
or
you
know,
fix
stuff,
as
it's
identified.
So
there's
a
couple
line
items
I'll
point
out
like
that.
This
was
one
of
them,
and
so
in
case
you
were
wondering
why
there's
zero
and
21.
A
You
know
this
is
a
relatively
new
add
to
the
cra
budget
and
we're
just
we're
keeping
the
budget
flat
going
forward,
landscape
and
tree
trimming
I'll
make
this
same
comment
that
for
the
south
ncra,
you
know
the
way
our
chart
of
accounts
are
stratified
landscaping
and
tree
trimming
get
budgeted
in
their
online
item
versus
just
a
general
repair
and
maintenance
line
item.
A
Travel
and
training
is
going
up
a
modest
amount
when
the
department
submitted
the
budget
to
finance
for
its
initial
review.
You
know
that
accounts
for
travel
for
the
cra
coordinator
and,
I
believe,
for
the
board
members.
A
Repair
and
maintenance-
I
mean
this
is
this
is
the
same
point
I
had
made
earlier
with
regards
to
other
contractual
services.
This
was
one
of
the
line
items
they
got
tweaked
in
anticipation
of
a
new
crm
report,
so
it
used
to
be
a
fifteen
hundred
dollar
budget
and
the
board
added
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
to
this
budget
back
up
their
august
twenty.
Fourth,
twenty.
B
A
200K
for
it,
you
know,
I
think,
if
any
of
you
have
driven
by
downtown
the
last
few
weeks,
you've
seen
our
vendor
out
there
with
you
know,
pressure
washing
the
papers
and
whatnot
they're
out
there
and
then
cr
cra
renovations.
That's
a
line
item
that's
been
around
for
a
while.
It's
a
hundred
thousand
dollars-
and
it
also
is
what
it
sounds
like
it's
for.
That
line
item
was
placed
there.
I
want
to
say
a
few
years
back
and
it
was
to
fund.
A
You
know
kind
of
these
one-off
improvements
that
got
identified
by
the
board
as
needed,
and
so
I
don't
think
there
was
any
rhyme
or
reason
for
the
amount.
I
think
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
was
just
a
round
figure
that
was
arrived
at
until
it's
there,
the
budget's
remaining
flat
for
it
as
well,
and
then
you've
got
your
other
operating
expenses
comprised
of
multiple
things
listed
there
and
that's
going
up
about
90
500.
A
Things
the
increase
is
attributable
to
five
thousand
dollars
in
printing
costs
for
art
committee
and
latham
plaza
plans.
You
know
that's
for
the
board
and
for
the
cra
coordinator
to
pay
a
vendor
to,
I
guess
print
and
then
there's
28
500
in
promotional
activities,
and
that
was
labeled.
As
you
know,
funds
for
hosting
more
functions
downtown
by
the
cra
and
then
54
000
of
that
is
for
internal
service
charges
formed
by
the
fund.
A
So
when
I
say
internal
service
charges,
I'm
talking
about
the
internal
service
providers
here
at
the
city,
things
like
accounting,
purchasing,
payroll
information
services,
hr
the
city
manager's
office.
Those
are
all
internal
service
providers
here
at
the
city
and
they
build
their
costs
to
operate
to
every
single
functional
department.
Within
the
city
we
are
seeing
internal
service
charges
go
up
across
the
board,
citywide,
not
just
for
the
cra.
A
A
It
has
been
formally
spun
out
as
its
own
department,
and
you
know
we
recently
hired
a
cio
I'd
say
about
a
year
ago,
maybe,
and
that
person
came
in
you
know,
he's
working
really
hard
to
establish
the
department
he's
taken
a
couple
resolutions
back
to
city
council
to
add
positions
into
his
department
so
that
department's
gone
from
about
eight
to
twelve
positions
overall
and
so
as
his
department
grows.
So
do
the
charges
incurred
by
other
departments
here
at
the
city.
B
I
guess
I
was
a
little
surprised
when
we
really
saw
the
breakdown
of
the
numbers
that
we've
got.
We
pay
as
much
as
450
000
in
salaries
or
charges
for
services
in
in
a
year,
and
that
doesn't
include
benefits.
B
Referring
to
sir
well,
if
you,
if
you
go
back
and
you
take
a
look
at
all
the
charges,
the
salary
related
charges
to
the
cra,
the
internal
service
charges,
internal
service
charges,
there's
about
450,
000
dollars
worth
of
charges
that
come
back.
That
includes
all
staff
and
and
others
that
charge
off
to
the
cra.
B
A
Yeah,
so
when
you
look
at
you
know
your
the
finance
department
and
the
functions
that
we
provide
to
like
a
cra
right,
there's
payroll
functions
associated
with
the
cra
coordinator
with
the
various
positions
that
get
allocated
a
certain
percentage
of
their
costs
to
the
board.
The
city
city
engineer:
the
public
works
director,
the
planning
director.
A
A
Any
questions
from
the
board
further
questions.
They
should
think
so.
I
would
imagine
we'll
have
really
robust
questions
about
capital
outlay.
You
see
that
that
section
is
increasing
pretty
significantly
from
2022
to
2023
we're
looking
at
a
19
and
a
half
million
dollar
increase.
A
A
E
F
So
the
easiest
way
to
say
that's
attributable
is
hearing
your
concerns,
especially
with
being
able
to
get
more
work
done,
projects
four
and
five,
which
is
the
next
two
sections
of
downtown
development,
have
all
been
pulled
and
funded
in
23..
F
Those
costs
were
originally
five
million
dollars
for
one
project
and
four
million
dollars
for
the
next.
For
a
total
of
nine,
the
updated
numbers
for
2023
are
16
million
dollars,
so
a
9
million
dollar
project
is
now
as
we've
gotten.
The
full
design
is
at
16
million,
and
then
we've
also
pulled
all
of
that
money
into
fy
23
for
funding,
so
that
we
can
actually
send
both
of
those
projects
out
to
bid
right
away,
rather
than
doing
one
now
waiting
a
year
and
a
half
to
try
to
do
a
second
project.
F
F
Redevelopment
project
that
just
got
finished
last
year,
that
was
done
by
petticoat
schmidt
and
getting
involved
with
gai
on
the
far
the
south
south
section
of
the
downtown
redevelopment.
So
this
is
everything
from
11th
all
the
way
up
to
4th.
I
believe
on
that.
F
That's
down
there
inside
the
cra
to
continue
on
with
the
same
theme
and
theory.
That's
gone
on
for
the
other
other
sections
of
that
of
that
downtown
development
piece,
which
includes
everything
from
margaritaville
all
the
way
down
to
the
port
and
then
the
section
on
the
far
end
of
11th
from
11th
to
16th.
E
I
can
tell
you
my
big
concern
is
just
listening
to
our
what
called
our
instructions
that
came
from
council
that
they
want
to
see
more
coming
out
of
this
board
and
my
opinion
more
coming
on
this
board
is
stuff
above
the
ground
not
below
the
ground
and
don't
get
me
wrong,
I'm
all
about
the
infrastructure.
You
know
be
an
engineer,
that's
what
we
do,
but.
E
It
seems
kind
of
counterintuitive
to
what
they
are
pushing
for.
You
know
they
want
to
see
some
of
the
things
that
you
know
that
these
boards
been
trying
to
do
for
a
while,
as
far
as
some
of
the
stuff
to
go
in
the
downtown
area,
it's
great
that
we're
finally
being
done
with
the
pier,
but
seeing
some
of
that
stuff
being
done,
see
some
beautification
projects
being
done
just
wrapping
all
that
stuff
up
and
when
you
you
sweep
20
million
dollars
out
of
our
what's
our
current
budget.
F
Well,
if
you'll,
if
you'll
move
on
to
page
42,
you
will
see
all
those
things
you
were
talking
about,
which
is
the
art
master
plan,
the
lighting
master
plan,
the
way
finding
signage,
the
peer
entry
plan
and
all
the
funding
that's
attributed
to
there.
So
there's
a
little
over
3.6
million
dollars
in
fy
23,
that's
been
been
officially
documented.
F
F
It's
never
really
been
put
into
a
budget
form
whatsoever,
so
this
year
we've
taken
advantage
of
that
working
between
me
and
the
budget
officer,
as
well
as
as
heather
and
taylor,
to
actually
document
these
costs
and
actually
put
them
on
a
schedule
and
put
them
in
front
of
you,
because
before
or
now,
it's
kind
of
in
all
these
plans
that
you
all
have
talked
about
or
not
talked
about
that
have
not
really
ever
been
in
a
plan,
and
so
now
they
are
here.
So
there
are
parts
of
that
that
are
included
in
that.
F
F
We've
met
and
kind
of
come
to
an
administrative
decision
that
says
it
makes
better
sense
for
parks
rec
to
kind
of
take
on
those
projects,
in
coordination
with
taylor
and
heather,
rather
than
public
works,
because
bike,
racks
and
lights
and
and
seating
and
things
like
that,
don't
necessarily
aren't
really
public
works
forte
and
that's
some
of
the
things
that
we
struggled
with
in
getting.
F
Master
or
plan
out
was
simply
the
documentation
coming
from
the
landscape,
architects,
and
it's
not
necessarily
the
same
as
what
we
see
from
the
engineering
firms,
and
so
we
struggled
really
hard
with
trying
to
get
together,
specs
and
drawings
for
things
that
we're
not
used
to
because
they're
not
really
infrastructure
related
as
our
part.
So
that
might
answer
some
of
your
questions
is
that
part
of
that
money
is
actually
keep
in
mind.
A
lot
of
these
projects
have
been
around.
D
F
A
while
so
we've
updated
all
these
costs
to
be
current
costs
today
costs
so
there's
been
a
lot
of
movement
in
projects
and
their
costs
based
on
on
the
new
dollar
amounts
of
what
we're
seeing
projects
go.
B
Yes,
a
lot
of
along
those
lines,
there's
under
phase
3c,
the
project
4
and
5.
There's
construction
costs
identified.
I
think
a
part
of
that
22
million
is
that
all
going
to
be
spent
this
coming.
F
Year,
the
intention
would
be,
depending
on
tonight's
conversation
with
city
council,
on
alternative
bidding
programs
for
projects
four
and
five
it.
It
may
not
all
physically
get
spent
this
year,
but
it
will
physically
get
encumbered,
so
those
projects
will
go
out
to
bid
and
as
soon
as
the
bid
award
is
made
that
that
money
has
to
be
slated
aside
and
slid
across.
So
while
that
whole
22
million
may
not
necessarily
be
spent
in
23.
F
B
Kind
of
I
thought,
maybe
might
be
able
to
address
the
gentleman's
concerns
and
that
the
amount
of
money
being
spent
this
year,
whether
or
not
that
could
be
allocated
to
a
subsequent
year,
since
the
actual
construction
won't
be
done
until
24,
25..
F
Well,
I
don't
know
if
I
can
answer
that
any
better,
but
from
my
understanding
of
our
purchasing
process
and
our
budgeting
process
is
the
minute
we
make
an
award.
Let's
just
say
this
project
comes
in
exactly
at
what's
budgeted
at
16
million
dollars.
We
have
to
set
that
money
aside.
We
can't
say
we're
only
going
to
spend
part
of
it
now
part
of
it
next
year.
It
all
has
to
kind
of
be
funneled
aside
and
separated
and
counted
as
expensed,
even
though
the
expenses
may
take
a
couple
years
to
actually
filter
through
even.
F
Yeah
because
well
four
and
five,
you
guys
have
kind
of
said
that
you
wanted
us
to
talk
about
doing
them
as
a
larger
project
to
be
able
to
accelerate
some
of
these
projects,
so
economies
of
scale.
If
you
put
together
a
16
million
projects,
instead
of
two
eight
million
dollar
projects,
you
might
be
able
to
get
a
contractor.
That's
a
little
better
or
a
little
more
accustomed
to
a
larger
project
that
can
actually
be
willing
to
tackle
something
as
large
as
the
what
around
25
block
area
that
you're
talking
about
and.
B
I
appreciate
what
you're
saying,
because
I'm
one
who's
always
been
pushing
to
try
to
get
some
of
this
stuff
done
more
quickly,
and
I
was
just
trying
to
see
if
there
was
some
flexibility
and
adjustments
in
the
numbers
to
address
the
chairman's
concern
about
how
much
was
being
spent
in
one
year.
But
I
I
appreciate
the
comments
I
understand.
F
Yeah,
I
think
the
original
previous
cip
actually
had
that
16
million
dollars
for
projects
four
and
five.
While
it
was
not
16
million,
it
was
only
around
nine
part
of
it
was
in
23
and
then
part
of
it
was
either
in
24
or
25.
F
I
think
it
was
in
24
to
stage
that,
as
you
can
keep
it
as
separate
projects,
but,
like
I
said
when
it
comes
to
the
engineering
all
being
done
by
one
firm,
the
thought
was,
you
know:
do
we
really
want
to
have
one
contractor
and
wait
till
they
get
done
to
actually
begin
another
one
and
end
up
with
a
gap
like
we
have
now
where
we
have
no
construction
going
on
in
the
downtown
it
finished
up
last
year,
and
it's
taken
us
this
long
to
actually
get
to
ready
to
go
out
to
bid
again
for
construction
so
to
to
get
rid
of
the
construction
delays
between
separating
the
projects,
the
ideas
that
we
push
it
together
and
make
one
larger
project.
F
Then
we
can
still
help
control
and
work
with
them
as
far
as
being
able
to
get
the
project
done,
but
we
can
actually
encumber
encumber.
F
Number
of
years
ago,
it
wasn't
so
as
part
of
the
budget
process.
We
have
uncovered
the
engineering
costs
that
we've
done
so
far,
but
if
we
don't
actually
get
them
completely
to
construction
award,
those
pro
those
numbers
have
just
been
carried
forward
year
after
year
after
year,
until
we
actually
get
done
in
previous
years,
is
that
we
need
to
encumber
all
of
our
dollars
at
the
end
of
every
year
and
if.
A
C
Have
everything
so
I
also
have
I'm
kind
of
on
tutoring
a
little
bit
and
I
just
wanted
to
say
it
out
loud,
so
I
can
hear
it
so
I
I
do
agree
that
we
have.
These
projects
have
been
around
long
enough.
We
need
to
get
them
done.
100
grading
fast
forward,
get
money
spent.
My.
C
Like
our
chairman's
concern
is
that
if
you
look
at
the
numbers-
and
you
projected
it
out-
we're
basically
running
out
of
money
in
2025
and
we're
going
to
be
on
hold
for
a
year
or
two
at
that
point
to
get
enough
funds
again
to
where
we
can
do
bigger,
bigger
projects.
We
can
do
a
couple
of
little
things
here
and
there.
C
C
A
C
D
D
A
Receives
an
excess
of
about
seven
and
a
half
million
to
eight
million
dollars
in
advertising
revenues
annually.
I
just
I
just
got
the
revenue
estimates
from
the
property
appraiser
last
thursday.
Before
I
was
off
on
friday
and
yes,
the
downtown
cra
is
going
to
generate
an
excess
of
eight
million
dollars
for
fiscal
year
20..
So.
C
C
A
So
it
might
be
of
great
comfort
for
the
board
to
hear
that
your
finance
department,
which
you
partially
helped
pay
for
via
internal
service
charges.
We
do
cash
flow
analysis
extensively
across
all
funds
here
at
the
city,
and
so
part
of
that
involves
working
with
the
public
works
director
to
say:
hey,
you
need
how
much
for
these
public
works
projects
and
then
looking
at
what
we
anticipate
coming
in
revenue
and
then
looking
at
what
the
obligations
of
the
fund
are.
A
A
So,
mr
chairman,
I
I
will
say
I
believe
the
administration
and
the
council
have
kind
of
made
it
a
point
of
pride
at
the
fact
that
we're
a
debt
free
municipality,
while
there
have
been
some
discussions
around
the
margins,
you
know
questions
about.
Why
aren't
we
going
out
and
bonding
or
issuing
debt
it?
It
has
been
a
matter
of
practice
here
at
the
city,
at
least
for
the
last
15
to
20
years.
I
probably
need
to
tell
you
to
try
and
do
things
in
a
pego
fashion.
A
I
can
tell
you
when
we're
staring
down
the
barrel
of
uncertain
economic
climate
up
ahead.
It's
certainly
nice
to
know
that
we
do
not
have
any
substantial
debt
obligations
outstanding
or
coming
down
the
pike.
It's
certainly
better
to
be
the
person
in
the
room
with
cash
and
not
higher
views
to
lenders.
A
You
can
always
bond
with
it
and
just
raise
cheats
you
can
always
buy
when
the
interest
rate
is
cheap.
However,
you
know
our
capital
expenditures
at
the
time,
never
really
warranted
it,
because
we
weren't
spending
the
money
at
a
fast
enough
clip.
So
what
would
have
happened
is
we
would
have
gone
and
borrowed
all
this
money
and
then
had
to
pay
debt
service
on
it
and
we
would
have
been
spending
it
quick
enough.
A
B
D
A
Well,
the
projects
you're
discussing
with
the
downtown
cra.
You
know
I've
been
with
the
city
a
meter
of
three
years,
but
these
projects
have
been
in
the
downtown
cra
cip
for
years,
and
so
at
one
point
it
was
a
priority
identified
by
city
staff,
working
in
conjunction
with
the
board
that
these
infrastructure
projects
were
worth
completing.
A
You
know,
got
dusted
off
now
that
we've
had
a
public
works
director
in
place
for
longer
than
a
year,
who's
really
come
in
and
kind
of
helped
work
through
the
backlog
that
existed
and
also
working
with
consultants
to
draft
more
updated,
more
realistic
project
estimates
that,
coupled
with
what
you
read
about
the
news
in
terms
of
inflation
and
supply
chain
shortages,
you're,
seeing
it
right
here,
it
has
manifested
itself
into
this,
I'm
also
new
to
the
forest.
I
don't
have
the
history
of
it.
B
I
didn't
need
it,
but
like
what
problem
are
we
solving?
We
are
we.
F
Like
today,
we're
not
it's
not
raining,
but
tomorrow
it
could
be
or
the
next
storm
it
could
be,
and
we
do
have
significant
drainage
issues
that
all
these
projects
help
entertain
and
help
solve,
because
they
actually
put
curbing
better
on
the
streets
that
help
keep
the
water
in
the
streets.
It
helps
keep
the
water
into
the
drainage
systems
that
then
gets
pulled
off
and
getting
shipped
out
to
the
central
basin
into
the
south
basin,
depending
on
where
the
water
is
going.
So
inevitably,
a
lot
of
this
does
come
back
to
storm.
F
F
A
lot
of
it
is
to
make
it
uniform
make
it
match
the
rest
of
it.
Another
one
is
increase
public
parking.
So
we've
done
that
as
we
continue
on
with
these
projects,
we're
adding
parking
spaces
where
it
seems
to
make
sense,
we're
updating
the
end
zone,
areas,
we're
updating,
all
the
drainage
and
all
the
utilities
and
all
of
those
areas
so
and
then,
like
I
said,
yeah
literally
the
hanson
and
jones
edmond
studies
that
were
done
for
the
central
and.
F
F
F
D
Yeah,
I
just
like
to
say
you
know:
I've
been
on
the
board,
for
I
don't
know
six
seven
years
and
ever
since
I
got
on
it
this,
the
infrastructure
was
any
number
one
priority
with
the
board
and
the
city
council
to
get
it
done.
Some
of
these
numbers.
You
were
just
talking
about.
Well,
they
were
the
projects
that
we're
talking
about
now
were
supposed
to
be
started
in
2018.
D
I
have
a
spreadsheet
showing
okay,
it's
going
to
be
19.,
it's
going
to
be
20.
they've
just
been
pushed
forward,
but
these
were
high
priority
projects.
The
number
one
priorities:
I've
always
understood:
it
is
to
get
the
infrastructure
done
and
then
you
know
the
vision
plan
and
all
that
was
sort
of
our
next
step,
but
we,
the
infrastructure,
was
the
main
thing.
So
I
you
know
from
a
history
standpoint.
The
only
reason
we're
talking
about
now
is
for
various
reasons.
It
wasn't
done
two
years
ago.
B
The
one
thing
that
I
think
we're
all
kind
of
missing
here
is
this-
doesn't
give
us
a
good
bottom
line,
indication
of
where
we
are
at
the
end
of
every
year.
You
know
how
much
do
we
still
have
left
in
our
budgets
and
so
forth.
It
kind
of
it
projects
what's
going
to
be
expended
in
the
way
of
costs
and
roughly
where
some
of
the
funding
sources
are
coming
from,
but
what's
remaining,
there
was
some
spreadsheets
that
the
that
were
done
for
us.
B
It
was
now
almost
two
years
ago
can
really
entertain
almost
a
simple
sheet.
It's
got.
It's
called
the
summary
cash
flow
projections,
which
really
gives
you
a
much
clearer
picture
of
where
we
are
at
the
beginning
and
at
the
end
of
every
year,
all
of
the
expenses
all
the
capital
projects
and
what
it
would
be
helpful
to
see
it
in
this
form,
because
it's
all
that
information
isn't
here
in
what
we've
always
been
given
today,.
A
I'll
speak
with
the
cfo
on
that,
I'm
familiar
with
that
schedule
and
that's
part
of
the
activity
that
we
conduct
quarterly
annually,
that
cash
flows
as
a
matter
of
practice
are
not
listed
in
the
budget
document.
Those
are
internal
work,
work
papers
that
we
have
you
know
not
for
publication,
because
they're
changing
constantly
right
for
for
me
to
tell
you
what
I
think
we're
going
to
end
with
in
five
years
is
just
that:
it's
an
estimate,
and
so
well.
It
might
be
a
gauge
we'll
end
up.
A
B
A
B
A
You'll
have
to
forgive
me,
sir.
I
haven't
been
president
at
the
foreign
means.
What
has
been
the
response
given.
E
A
Well,
I
just
I
haven't
been
to
the
cra
board
meetings
before
so.
If
it's
been
asked
for,
I'm
not
sure
what
the
response
has
been
given
yeah
it's
fun.
I
think
I
think
it
would
be
valuable
for
all
the
board
members
to
be
able
to
see
where
we're
heading
so
so
we're
so
unclear.
You
wanna,
I
guess,
a
revised
version
of
that
cash
flow
document.
That's
in
your
hands
right
both
for
this
for.
B
The
downtown
district,
as
well
as
for
the
south.
C
I
just
wanted
to
do
a
little
deeper
dive
with
what
jeff
was
saying,
and
maybe
it
will
help
answer
david
since
you
weren't
here
just
for
the
record,
not
necessarily
to
point
anybody,
but
with
these
projects
in
the
past,
this
one
was
specifically
talking
about
four
and
five
and
infrastructure
as
a
whole
for
the
board
for
those
who
were
on
the
board
or
those
who
lived
in
this
area
back
a
dead
two
decades
ago,
even
just
a
couple
of
years
back
in
the
area
that
hasn't
been
done,
pipes
and
whatnot
were
corroding
and
cracking
and
bleeding
through
the
concrete,
and
we
could
not
as
a
board
promote.
C
D
C
Businesses
that
are
interested
in
the
area
we
had
to
deal
with
infrastructure
and
making
sure
to
support
the
demand
that
they
would
have
and
update
it
to
current
code
and
then
did
one
step
off
when
it
came
to
the
parking.
That
was
where
the
big
parking
debate
ended
up,
as
some
people
believe
parking
and
parking
lots
were
part
of
the
infrastructure
and
others
did
not,
which
is
why
that
was
always
a
back
and
forth
battle.
C
F
Dennis
I
don't
know
that
I
can
answer
that
question
simply
because
I
inherited
all
these
as
a
project
bundle
I'm
guessing.
That
is
correct,
simply
because
it's
defining
the
boundaries
of
the
cra
and
in
this
project
overall,
was
approved
through
multi-phases,
obviously
to
be
able
to
get
to
address
the
entire
area
from
the
from
the
north
all
the
way
down
to
the
south
into
the
downtown
cra.
E
F
So
the
downtown
cra
area
is
directly
tied
to
the
central
basin
for
stormwater
outfall
and
the
south
end
is
directly
tied
to
the
south
head
basin
for
outfall.
Now
those
two
are
connected
together,
but
I'm
trying
to
come
up
with
a
number
to
say
how
does
this
district
feed
that
district
would
be
one
heck
of
an
exercise
to
figure
out,
and
there
are
projects
in
the
south
end
that
are
actually
encumbering
a
significant
amount
of
dollars
for
that
south
end.
E
F
With
funds
in
the
south
end,
I
don't
know
if
I
didn't
speak
to
that,
because
I'm,
I
guess,
I'm
not
versed
in
that
question
whatsoever.
So
canada
is
a
takeaway
and
see
if
I
can
come
up
with
an
answer
for
that.
I
just
know
from
what's
been
given
to
me
was
downtown.
Was
this
area?
South
basin?
Was
this
area
and
it's
always
our
south
district?
It's
always
been
the
other
area
and
the
funds
don't
go
between
the
two
because
they're
two
separate
cra
districts
so
well.
It
sounded
like
to
me.
E
That
we
have
enough
money
to
do
the
things
we're
looking
to
do
on
the
in
the
downtown
area.
So
it's
I
guess
it's
not
a
time
to
panic.
I
guess,
if
you
get
to
the
point
where
we
need
more
funds
up
here,
it
looks
like
we're,
vomiting
against
a
ceiling
ceiling
and
maybe
a
different
story.
I'm
just
kind
of
right
now,
just
trying
to
figure
out
if
we
need
to
stick
our
fingers
out
somewhere
else.
What
could
we
stick.
C
I
will
add
our
collection
about
your
question
specifically
about
that,
because
I
was
here
on
the
board
during
that
timeframe.
It
did
take
a
long
time
for
them
to
discuss
with
the
city
to
go
over
underneath
they
want
to
do
that
and
from
what
I
remember
the
reason
why
they
we
couldn't
utilize
funds
from
the
south
end
for
that,
even
though
they
were
connected
is
because
it
was
the
flow
of
flow
of
product
flow
of
water,
and
since
it
was
downtown
water
going
through,
that's
why
they
were
utilizing
the
downtown
district
funds.
B
Just
one
more
in
the
capital
improvements
plan,
there
was
some
indication
that
I
had
gotten
that
there
was
a
desire
to
try
to
include
some
security
cameras
and
so
forth,
possibly
for
the
downtown,
as
well
as
for
the
south
end
district
is
that
contemplated
in
the
apple
buggy.
D
A
And
so
when
that
is
ready
for
prime
time,
I
would
imagine
that
there'll
be
a
request
brought
to
the
cra
board
and
then
ultimately
to
the
council
as
well
for
appropriation,
because
it's
going
to
be
very
expensive
and
it's
going
to
impact
a
lot
of
different
funds
in
the
city.
So
no
it's
not
concentrated
in
this
downtown
or
40
right.
D
Yeah
just
wanted
to
touch
on
that
a
little
bit
because
I've
been
a
part
of
those
conversations
and
when
we
get
to
the
regular
meeting
we're
talking
about
the
south
end
plan.
Amendment
you'll
see
that
we
did
include
that
in
the
plan.
Amendment
specifically
for
the
south
end
downtown
was
a
little
bit
different
because
we
already
have
the
cape
downtown.
E
A
When
you
guys
submit
it,
so
I
don't
handle
the
requisitions
or
procurements
for
the
cra.
That
would
that
would
be
the
fine
folks
over
here,
but
typically
the
rules
for
our
procurement
are.
If,
if
there
is
a
municipality
in
florida,
where
there
is
a
competitively
big
contract
that
you
can
piggyback
off
of
typically
that's
a
procurement
mechanism
we
use
here
at
the
city,
I
am
unfamiliar
kind
of
with
what
went
down
with
regards
to
the
bike.
Ride.
E
A
Yeah,
if
there's
a
municipality
out
there,
that
has
a
competitively
big
contract
in
place
with
the
vendor
you're
looking
to
do
business
with,
and
it
is,
you
know,
brought
forth
before
the
board
and
the
board
says,
or
it's
presented
to
the
board
hey,
you
know
we
went
out,
we
got
two
quotes,
and
then
we
got
this
third
quote
from
this
vendor
that
has
a
competitively
bid.
You
know
contract
in
place
with
this
municipality,
and
you
know
we
can
go
that
route
and
it
will
be
quicker
in
terms
of
procurement.
A
E
But
sometimes
we
want
to
get
the
job
done
faster,
so,
rather
than
draining
out
looking
for
a
different
bit,
we
could
just
go
straight
forward
and
start
putting
minecraft
yeah.
It
appears
like
this
last
time
exactly
what
we
did
was
we
went
on
them
for
beds.
We
didn't
get
any
bids,
we
had
to
do
what
we.
A
Yeah,
you
know
the
gift
of
hindsight
in
this.
In
this
instance
yeah
you
probably
could
have
piggybacked,
but
you
know
having
not
been
personally
involved
with
it.
I
will
say,
though
you
know
your
planning
director,
you've
got
the
parks
director
and
you've
got
the
public
works
director
who,
when
you
know
they
put
their
minds
to
it,
you
know
they
can
go
out
and
get
it
done,
and
I
know
I
know
there
are
frustrations
from
the
board
in
terms
of
the
speed
with
which
this
stuff
is
getting
done.
But
you
know.
A
A
F
As
of
what
we
did
with
the
bike
tracks
and
site
furnishings,
we
were
all
surprised
when
we
got
absolutely
no
bids,
so
our
internal
decision
amongst
basically
the
three
of
us
plus
jason,
was
how
do
we
now
take
something
that
we
didn't
get
a
bid
on
and
trying
to
turn
it
into
a
project,
so
jason
looked
around
and
was
able
to
find
somebody
that
could
piggyback
with
some
of
the
bike
rack
stuff,
we
found
another,
basically
a
general
contractor
that
had
a
contract
with
jacksonville
that
was
willing
to
try
to
piece
it
together
to
be
able
to
put
it
done,
a
lot
of
what
it
comes
down
to
is.
F
Is
we
have
to
make
that
decision
early
on
whether
we
want
to
try
to
send
this
project
out
to
bid
or
do
we
want
to
spend
our
internal
time
trying
to
find
a
piggyback
going
with
any
of
the
municipalities?
Obviously,
there's
hundreds
of
municipalities
in
place
just
like
the
contracts
we
have
for
paving
right
now.
We
have
three
contractors
that
have
agreed
to
do
paving
with
us.
We
have
contracts
but
they've
all
three
abandoned
those
contracts
because
they
can't
get
the
work
done.
So
even
that
contract
might
not
even
be
worth
anything.
F
F
Knowledge,
it's
obvious,
easy
to
know
that
a
lot
of
us
use
the
sheriff's
department.
You
know
master
bid
on
vehicles,
that's
when
we
commonly
use
it
and
we
all
know
it's
there,
but
when
it
comes
down
to
bike
racks,
the
one
that
jason
found
actually
incorporated
some
of
these
specific
bike
racks
that
you
know
even
enduring
process,
we
did
for
picking
out
bike
racks.
F
Did
we
really
want
to
come
back
and
say?
Okay?
Well,
we
can't
use
any
of
these
vendors
because
there's
nobody
else
to
piggyback
with,
and
we
have
to
come
back
to
try
to
offer
a
whole
new
slate
of
bike
rack,
so
he
was
able
to
find
a
vendor
that
was
able
to
actually
have
some
of
those
providers
listed,
so
that
kind
of
gave
us
an
avenue
so,
like
I
said
our
attention
too,
we
also
looked
at
it
to
decide.
Do
we
want
to
hold
that
bike,
racks
and
site
furnishings
project?
F
Do
we
want
to
wait
until
the
peer
entry
is
ready
to
go
to
construction?
And
now
we
add
the
bike
racks
and
the
site
furnishings
onto
the
peer
entry
project?
Now
you
start
to
package
into
a
two
and
a
half
or
three
million
dollar
project
and
you'll
tend
to
to
drive
more
vendors
while
they
don't
have
any
interest
in
doing
a
bike
rack
or
a
site
furnishings
plan.
They
may
very
well
when
you,
when
you
add
it
to
another
additional
project,
so
that.
F
F
F
E
E
E
F
Come
back
to
the
municipality
also
has
to
agree
that
they're,
okay,
with
this
piggybacking,
you
know
I
got
a
request
this
morning
for
for
one
of
our
beach
communities
to
piggyback
off
of
an
existing
contractor
that
we
have
a
contract
with.
I
got
to
decide
how
important
that
is
to
us.
It's
one
of
our
degree
contractors
for
a
hurricane.
Well,
a
hurricane
hits
us
they're,
probably
going
to
hit
one
of
the
next
two
beach
communities.
Next
to
us.
F
Do
I
want
the
person
that
we're
contacted
with
to
be
sharing
their
labor
with
the
next
two
communities
we're
going
to
have
enough
work
for
them,
but
I
have
to
make
that
decision
before
I
say
yeah
go
ahead
and
piggyback.
I
have
to
really
make
that
decision,
whether
or
not
it's
in
our
best
interest,
and
sometimes
it's
just
not
in
our
best
interest.
We
don't
want
to
share
that
contract
with
somebody
else
simply
because
we
want
to
make
sure
we
keep
our
forces
for
the
people
that
are
here.
A
Okay,
mr
chair,
if
everybody
would
flip
back
to
the
page
that
says
page
two
of
three
at
the
bottom,
we
will
be
rounding
out
the
operating
budget
for
the
downtown
cra
and
you'll
see
a
new
section
here
called
incentives
program.
So
this
budget
contains
a
half
million
dollars
set
aside
for
a
newly
established
incentives
program
for
2023.
A
Mr
chairman
and
members
of
board
page
three
of
three
is
the
operating
budget
for
the
south
ncra
again
personal
services.
You
see
that
it's
a
10
change,
but
it's
a
modest
decrease
of
11
000
dollars.
For
the
same
reasons
I
attributed
earlier
benefit.
Elections
are
the
big
driver
there
and
then
looking
at
the
following
operating
categories.
You've
got
professional
legal
services,
accounting
and
audit
other
contractual
services,
and
then
you've
got
landscaping
and
tree
trimming
for
the
south
end
cra.
A
All
of
the
landscaping
and
maintenance
costs
used
to
get
charged
to
the
repair
and
maintenance
line
item,
which
was
that
240
thousand
dollars
that
you
see
there.
But
again
because
of
the
way
we
stratify
our
accounts.
Where
we
charge
tree
trimming,
we
charge
landscaping
and
we
charge
janitorial
to
contractual
services.
A
You
see
that
we've
actually
put
a
budget
for
it,
maybe
where
it
didn't
exist,
but
we
left
that
240
thousand
dollars
in
repairing
maintenance
untouched,
because
just
like
with
your
capital
projects,
your
you
know,
major
maintenance
and
repairs
items
are
costing
money
too,
and
this
is
the
money
that
gets
set
aside
to
maintain
the
skate
park
to
maintain
the
turf
field
out
there.
A
And
then
you
have
your
other
operating
expenses
which
went
up
76,
000,
3500
of
which
is
attributable
to
promotional
activities
and
71
000
for
internal
service
charges,
lineup
of
the
two
districts,
the
one
that
has
kept
your
internal
service
providers
busiest
within
the
last
year,
has
been
the
south
end
and
you
have
that
beautiful
new
playground
structure
out
there
as
a
great
example
of
one
of
those
items.
A
And
then
going
down
to
the
capital
outlay
section
you
see,
the
capital
improvement
plan
is
going
up,
3.2
million-
and
I
would
imagine
the
board
would
probably
have
a
discussion
about
that.
So
we
could
flip
to
the
capital
improvement
plan
that
the
board
is
ready
to
unless
there
are
any
questions
on
this
specific
page.
F
So
again,
there
are
a
lot
of
changes
on
the
on
this.
On
this
section,
a
lot
of
them
was
updating
pricing
moving
some
projects
around
to
be
able
to
accommodate
when
they're
actually
going
to
be
ready
for
construction
ready
to
go.
I
don't
know
if
you
have
any
specific
comments
or
any
specific
questions
about
any
items
here.
B
Just
for
my
clarification,
the
only
thing
we're
talking
about
here
is
storm
water.
What
about
water
and
store
any
roadway
improvements,
and
things
like
that
is
there?
There
are
some
broadway
improvements
in
the
capital
budget
that
really
don't
say
anything
related
to
the
storm
assuming
to
sewer
and
water.
So
are
we
saying
that
there's
nothing
that
needs
to
be
done
down
in
that
district?
Ultimately,
so
I
guess
I.
F
F
A
lot
of
those
took
advantage
of
of
the
establishment
of
the
cra
to
help
drive
to
be
able
to
be
built
there.
However,
public
funds
were
not
ever
used
to
do
that.
It
was
done
through
development,
whether
it's
through
particular
subdivisions
and
or
particular
commercial
areas.
So
when
it
comes
to
using
cra
funds
to
improve
the
water
and
sewer
the
rules
that
we
kind
of
follow
by
is,
if
the
cra
didn't
pay
for
it.
Originally,
the
cra
can't
pay
for
it
to
be
replaced.
F
F
Are
stuff
that
was
originally
paid
for
and
constructed
using
cra
dollars,
and
then
the
officer
aj
can
tell
you
as
well.
We've
had
a
lot
of
conversations
even
some
arguments
about
this
on
some
of
the
scenarios
where
which
came
first,
the
chicken
and
the
egg
you
know
would
would
target
have
been
built
if
it
weren't
for
the
cra,
probably
not,
and
if
they
were
built
for
the
cra.
How
come
the
lift
station
behind
target
cannot
be
paid
for
by
the
cra?
F
F
F
We
are
seeing
the
needs
for
storm
water
improvements.
Storm
water
is
is
king
in
florida
I
mean
welcome
to
being
flat
so.
F
It
gets
very
confusing
when
you
start
talking
about
this.
Much
money
was
given
and
this
much
money
was
spent.
Then
how
do
you
determine
what
was
spent
for
that
money
and
how
and
what
was
done
so
I
don't
know
what
any
of
the
numbers
are,
but
the
the
incentives
that
were
offered
to
bring
in
some
of
these
developments
by
far
didn't
pay
for
the
infrastructure
that
was
needed
to
be
able
to
do
it.
So
that's
been
a
long-standing
conversation
between
us
and
finance
as
to
trust
me.
F
If
I
could
tap
into
it
and
be
able
to
utilize
it
if
it
was
needed,
I
would
be
able
to
improve
the
infrastructure,
so
I
guess
first
and
foremost,
because
it
is
newish-
and
I
say,
new
ish,
because
it's
not
40
or
50
or
60
years
old.
There's
not
the
same
issues
that
that
are
developing
in
the
south
end
as
there
are
in
other
parts
of
the
city
where
the
replacements
are
actually
worn.
But
I.
B
F
But
we
can't
do
it
on
the
water
in
the
sewer,
if
it
doesn't
doesn't
make
sense
to
me
well
in
a
lot
of
the
storm
water
so
how
it's
dealt
with
as
far
as
public
works.
If
you
get
it
to
public
right
away,
it
then
becomes
the
city's
responsibility
to
dispose
of
so,
in
other
words,
you've
got
a
water
issue.
You
get
the
water
move
to
the
curb,
then
it
becomes
my
problem
to
be
able
to
actually
do
something
with.
F
However,
that's
not
quite
the
same
theory
as
it
is
handled
in
through
the
water
and
sewer
processes.
So
it's
just
a
difference
of
how
it
is
and
to
be
able
to
make
the
improvements
that
need
to
be
done.
A
lot
of
the
improvements
that
need
to
be
done.
Are
you
know,
cleaning
and
restoring
them
back
to
permitting
conditions
and
then
repairing
and
replacing
pumps
when
we.
B
B
D
D
All
that
property
has
been
planted.
You've
heard
me
say
this
before
back
in
the
20s
and
when
the
crash
came,
nothing
happened
and
then,
as
time
went
on,
the
owners
of
those
small
rocks
were
scattered
to
the
wind
and
at
that
point
in
time,
state
statutes
allowed
the
condemnation,
their
imminent
domain
of
land
for
redevelopment
purposes.
D
So
you
live
gary.
What
riptide
is
where
target
is
those
shopping?
Centers
were
all
land
that
the
cra
condemned
through
human
domain
and
then
sold
at
the
same
price
to
the
developers
and
part
of
those
agreements
require
those
developers
to
put
in
their
own
infrastructure
system.
And
then
we,
in
that
plan,
as
you've
seen
have
we've
got
the
other
roadway
networks
that
we
did.
South
beach.
Parkway
jacksonville
drive
the
parks
that
was
part
of
a
public
investment
that
helped
develop
the
area
to
support
the
private
subdivisions
that
went
in
there.
E
D
F
Came
from
for
that
rehabilitation
and
the
rejuvenation
of
that
lift
station
came
out
of
city
funding,
so
it
came
through
the
normal
process.
It
was
actually
a
cip
process
that
marked
marched
its
way.
All
the
way
up.
I
inherited
it.
It
was
just
getting
ready
to
go
out
to
bid
when
I
came
in
I
had
before
I
got
my
teeth
cut
on
how
florida
deals
with
cras.
I
didn't
have
cras
where
I
came
from
so
cra
was
new
to
me,
but
I
started
asking
those
hard
questions
saying,
but
but
but
it
is.
D
D
F
F
So
a
lot
of
the
things
that
were
built
in
the
south
end
were
built
to
the
newer
standards
downtown
you're
still
dealing
with
cast
iron
piping,
which
tends
to
fail,
especially
as
it
ages.
So
that's
another
one
of
the
reasons
why
the
downtown
section
has
been
saying.
We
need
to
replace
all
this
infrastructure
while
we're
in
there,
as
opposed
to
the
south
end,
where
you've
got
a
significant,
more
amount
of
pvc
piping,
more
of
the
concrete
drainage
and
whatnot
to
be
able
to
do.
B
Just
on
you
know
something
else
here:
in
reference
to
the
south
end,
we've
got
23
million
dollars
identified
as
additional
projects
that
need
to
be
funded
over
the
next
five
years
for
the
south
end
23
million
dollars,
and
what
are
we
receiving
in
revenue
on
a
yearly
basis?.
A
So
yes,
the
second
chart
on
page
47
is
you
know
again
the
summary
of
what
the
fund
expenditures
are
for
the
five-year
window,
which
is
23.9
on
it
on
an
annual
basis.
The
south
ncra
has
been
receiving
in
excess
of
about
four
and
a
half
million
and
again
the
same
revenue
estimates
I
got
last
week
they
came
in
just
above
five
men
anymore.
A
However,
I
believe
the
board
is
aware
of
the
fact
that
we
have
been
remitting
money
back
to
the
principal
taxing
authorities,
that
being
duvall
county
and
the
city
of
jacksonville
annually
for
about
three
years
now,
and
so
in
2023.
We
anticipate
that
continuing
so
we're
saying
that,
even
with.
B
B
I'm
not
sure
I
have
a
comfort
level
of
that
just
now,
but
you
know
go
by
what
you
say.
I
have
no
reason
to
mislead.
B
10
and
a
half
million
dollars
two
years
from
now
that
we're
going
to
anticipate
expending
could
be
something
more
than
ten
and
a
half
million
dollars,
because
we're
talking
about
escalation
going
two
more
years,
so
the
problem
keeps
compounding
itself
a
little
bit
and
as
to
whether
or
not
there's
going
to
be
enough
funding
available
within
the
south
district.
If
we
keep
giving
back
two
and
a
half
million
dollars
to
the
taxing
agencies,.