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A
B
B
A
B
No,
he
needs
to
call
in
on
the
website
portion
of
it
I'll
I'll
I'll
get
with
david
in
just
a
second
I'll
call.
Him.
D
As
you
guys
know,
the
in
the
cra
district,
the
deck
the
chairs
will
be
coming
up
this
weekend,
so
we're
gonna
make
sure
that
our
downtown
cape
officers
are
aware
of
that
and
we'll
be
scheduling
some
heavier,
probably
on
the
more
popular
nights.
The
the
weekend
night.
That
type
thing
the
nights
that
they
have
any
kind
of
assemblies,
or
anything
like
that.
As
far
as
that,
everything
else
is
going
good.
A
couple
of
the
projects
with
the
that
you
guys
had
funded.
I
know
francis
had
asked
last
time.
D
I
did
talk
with
ricardo
with
our
I.t
department
and
the
company.
That's
handling
is
from
orlando
and
they
had
a
coveted
issue.
The
guy
that
was
supposed
to
be
up
here
doing
it
had
been
ill.
So
that's
why
they're
running
just
a
little
bit
behind,
but
I
was
told
that,
hopefully,
by
the
end
of
the
month,
we'll
have
it
all
all
the
kinks
worked
out
and
they'll
finish.
The
project.
A
Mark
I
got
two
quick
questions
for
you
before
I
go
to
the
rest
of
the
board.
First,
one
are
we
still
closing
bars
and
restaurants
at
midnight.
A
Okay,
second
question:
are
we
closing
first
street
between
sneakers
and
first
avenue
north
kind
of
right
there
where
deck
the
chairs
are,
or
is
that
going
to
remain
open?
Most
of
the
time.
D
What
they've
done
because
deck
the
chairs
goes
on
for
obviously
for
multiple
days
and
weekends,
if
they
have
a
secondary
event,
that's
come
in
there,
for
example,
they're
gonna
do
the
movie
they're
gonna
do
the
christmas
movie
in
december
at
that
time
and
when
it
gets
crowded,
the
barricades
will
be
there
and
in
place.
They'll
just
have
to
move
them
to
actually
block
the
streets.
So
let's
say
the
first
weekend.
D
D
Yeah,
the
bit
we
have
the
barricades
in
place
down
there
now
the
the
days
that
they
actually
have
different
events,
like
probably
with
the
day
that
they
do
the
lighting
and
then
when
they
do
the
movie
and
stuff
like
that,
we
do
have
them
in
place,
so
they
will.
They
will
be
blocking
for
the
evening.
A
F
Commander
just
a
quick
question:
anything
further
on
the
scooter,
ordinance,
that's
being
considered
by
city
council.
D
Attorney
they're
working
on
some
stuff.
I
know
that
they're
probably
doing
a
moratorium
for
the
scooters
until
we
get
them
under
control
when
I
say
under
control
once
we
come
up
with
the
proper
guidelines,
so
I
do
know
the
city
attorney
and
city
council.
I
know.
G
D
Are
working
on
that
and
that
should
be
happening
very
quickly.
D
Yeah
yeah
there's
a
there's
a
lot,
there's
a
lot
of
questions
in
play
because
it's
still
new,
it's
new
for
the
city,
it's
new
for
the
the
pedestrians
and
the
patrons,
and
it's
also
new
to
that
business
owner.
D
He
says
that
he
has
rented
the
space
there
at
six
avenue
north
the
100
block
right
down
from
delicom,
so
he
does
have
space
there
rented
and
he
was
going
to
do
it
for
storage
originally,
then
he
said
he
was
going
to
do
it
for
the
actual
rental
and
I
think
he
is
still
coming
to
terms
to
figure
out
how
he's
going
to
do
it
with
that
being
said,
I
think
scooters
are
catching
on
with
other
people
as
well,
so
before
we
have
three
or
four
of
these
national
scooter
companies
coming
in.
D
D
We
have
to
be
very
careful
because
the
last
thing
I
want-
or
any
of
us
want-
is
our
I'm
not
going
to
have
my
officers
out
there
on
christmas
morning
in
the
neighborhoods,
because
because
people
are
going
to
get
these
things
for
christmas
and
we've
got
to
get
a
handle
on
that,
so
we
got
to
look
at
it
really
as
a
business
aspect,
because
you
know
because
they
are
getting
more
and
more
popular.
I
have
them
in
my
neighborhood.
D
F
Well,
I
think
we
also,
as
you
mentioned,
need
to
really
take
a
look
at
as
relates
to
the
skate
park
in
the
south
beach
district
because
down
there
there's
a
lot
of
electric
bicycles
used
and
so
forth
down
there,
and
you
know
I've
seen
kids
come
zooming
in
and
out
of
that
skate
park
in
front
of
vehicles
you
know
taking
taking
over
the
road
so
to
speak.
D
Yeah
I
mean
they're
popular
right
now,
I've
seen
them
all
over.
I've
got
tons
of
them
in
mine.
I
just
live
right
across
the
bridge
between
beach
and
jtb,
and
we've
got
multiple.
I
don't.
We
don't
have
a
lot
of
kids
on
them.
We
have
a
lot
of
adults
on
them,
which
who
knows
that
might
be
even
worse,
because
the
kids
can
probably
ride
them.
Better.
F
And
again,
just
going
back
to
the
downtown
district.
The
the
concern
that
I
just
see
being
is
that
recently
there
were
some
new
ordinances
passes
relates
to
what
types
of
calm
vehicles
or
bikes
are
allowed
on
the
boardwalk.
F
D
Yeah,
I
do
know
that
that's
one
of
the
things
you're
looking
at
also
the
area
that
they
were
being
rented
was
the
area
it's
actually
on
private
property.
It's
just
east,
I'm
sorry,
just
west
of
the
boardwalk
on
that
vacant,
lot
just
south
of
the
castle,
marina
and
where
it
actually
indents
in
that's
actually
part
of
the
castle
marina
because
they
own
that
lot,
and
so
that's
one
of
the
questions
that
came
into
play
is
okay.
So
if
that's
private
property,
you
rent
them
there,
but
for
now
I'll
write
them
there.
D
How
are
we
going
to
get
them
from
there
down
to
where
they
have
to
be
ridden?
I
know
the
city
attorney
the
city
manager.
We
I've
had
meetings
with
them
as
well
and
the
council
a
couple
of
weeks
ago.
They
were
briefed
as
well
and
that
this
is
coming
up
and
we've
got
to
start
looking
at
it.
We
got
to
get
a
handle
on
it
before
it
gets
out
of
control
before
we
get
a
bunch
of
them
which
we
have
a
lot
now,
but
unfortunately
there
could
be
a
lot
more
coming.
C
I
wanted
you
to
touch
base
with
where
we
are.
We
that
we've
secured
a
new,
concrete
contractor
and
just
what
you
see
going
forward
is
you
know,
general
timeframe,
for
when
he's
going
to
start
working
on
some
of
our
pet
feed,
downtown
projects.
A
Repair
projects:
yes,
we
we
have
yeah,
we
have
a
contract
in
place,
we
talked
to
them
about
getting
started,
they
asked
if
they
can
finish
a
couple
projects
they
were
on.
They
were
on
schedule
to
finish
the
projects
supposedly
and
I'm
not
gonna
say
you
know
anything
bad
or
anything,
but
they
said
some
of
the
folks.
The
covid
got
them
so
they're
behind
a
bit
and
they
told
me
they're
not
going
to
start
until
right
after
the
holidays.
C
A
You
know,
and
I'm
not
going
to
doubt
them,
you
know
I'm
not
going
to
throw
doubt
on
what
they're
saying,
because
everyone's
having
issues
with
that,
including
you
know
the
city
and
everything.
So
that's
what
they're
telling
us
am
I
happy
about
it?
No
dave.
I
don't
think
anybody's
happy
about
it.
C
One
other
point
on
downtown
maintenance.
I'm
gonna
drive,
maybe
this
week,
if
not
this
week,
the
first
of
next
week
drive
downtown
with
trevor
hughes,
he's
with
our
parks
and
recreation
department
to
start
identifying
areas
where
we
can
start
doing
some
upgraded
landscape
maintenance
in
the
downtown
area.
A
B
A
B
A
A
A
See
the
picture
of
a
garbage
can
yeah
this
this
picture.
The
first
picture
I
took
was
on
the
right
and
I
will
show
dave
and
bill
that
trashcan
looked
horrible.
It
was
falling
apart
and
then
dave's
crew
came
through
replaced
it
with
one
on
the
left.
That
looks
like
the
ones
that
we
have
all
up
and
down
the
oceanfront,
and
so
we
got
a
little
bit
more
consistency
there.
A
Can't
we
go
to
the
second
picture
this
one.
This
is
the
parking
lot
back
behind
what
used
to
be
campeche
bay,
and
you
had
that
pothole
there
in
the
middle
of
the
driveway.
A
Actually
it's
funny,
I
think
dave's
crew
fixed
that
within
the
next
day
or
two
somebody
just
came
along
simply
and
patched
that
hole.
So
I
thought
they
did
it
pretty
quickly.
B
G
A
Outside
of
francis's
window
once
again
the
picture
the
picture
the
picture
at
the
top
was
what
it
used
to
look
what
it
looked
like
when
I
showed
it
to
both
dave
and
bill,
and
that's
what
it
looks
like
today.
So
once
again,
I
thought
they
did
a
great
job
and
they
they
were.
On
top
of
that,
let's
go
to
that
last
picture.
Picture
number
four.
A
Now
this
is
the
sidewalk
over
by
surfer
that
sidewalk's
the
same,
if
you're,
by
surfer,
if
you're
by
the
rich,
if
you
buy
some
of
the
other
bars
that
you
have
out
there,
that's
basically
where
they
have
the
people
lined
up
to
go
into
the
bars.
I
believe
it's
like
either
chewing
gum
or
something
that's
on
the
ground
there.
If
you
can
see
what
I
certainly.
A
On
the
left,
the
one
on
the
left
was
the
one,
the
first
one,
the
one
on
the
right,
that's
the
second
they
came
through
and
they
power
washed
that
which
I
appreciate
the
power
washing.
But
if
you
notice
right
in
that
circle,
even
though
the
gum
is
gone,
the
stain
is
still
there
yeah,
the
ghost
now
tanda.
You
can
take
these
pictures
down.
So
I
can
see
everybody
again.
A
A
Maybe
we
should
hold
those
those
bars
and
restaurants
responsible
for,
if
they're
going
to
line
up
on
the
city
right
away,
then
they
should
be
responsible
for
getting
that
stuff
up
off
of
there,
because
there's
no
reason
why
most
those
bars,
I
believe,
all
of
them-
have
another
place
to
line
people
up
where
they
don't
have
to
sit
there
on
city
right
away
and
cause
that
blight.
But
first
question
is
today
dave:
what
can
we
do
to
get
rid
of
that
as
you
called
it?
The
ghost
that
stain?
A
Yes,
if
you
look
at
steve,
I've
been
down
other
municipalities
too,
and
that's
a
problem
everywhere.
The
the
gentleman
that
we're
using
to
clean
that
you
know
he's
he
has
some
stuff
that
he
wants
to
try.
So
we're
going
to
be
implementing
a
few
things
on
trying
to
get
rid
of
them.
A
So
I
will
let
I
will
let
mr
man
know-
and
I
will
let
everybody
know
exactly
what
we're
doing
and
how
we're
doing
it
and
we'll
take
pictures
before
and
after
and
I
will
let
you
know,
but
we're
going
to
try
to
diligently
get
on
that.
So
I
mean
it.
It's
a
pain.
You
know
the
with
the
pressure
washers.
They
can
heat
that
up
to
over
200
degrees,
so
that
takes
the
that'll
blow
the
gum
right
off.
A
G
A
G
A
E
You
have
a
question
three
things
in
reverse:
order
on
that
gum
thing.
You
know
my
proposal
to
sergeant
or
commander
evans
that
they
did
something
with
the
bars
and
not
allow
them
to
have
lines
on
the
sidewalk
and
out
into
the
street.
E
B
A
E
Since
let
me
just
ask
about
the
two
critical
ones
from
my
point
of
view,
one
is
the
roundabout
on
first
and
beach,
where
it's
been
demolished
in
the
center
for
a
couple
years
now,
and
the
other
one
is
my
pet
peeve,
which
is
the
sinkhole
that
was
asphalted
over
right
between
the
tavern
and
the
ritz
parking
lot
at
the
intersection
of
first
street.
A
E
E
Okay
and
then
finally,
for
bill,
is
there
any
possibility?
I
could
go
on
that
ride
along
with
trevor.
C
Yes,
sir,
let
me
find
out
from
trevor
we've
been
playing
phone
tag.
Our
schedules
haven't
meshed.
I
thought
I
would
have
already
had
it
done,
but
since
I
haven't
yet
I
don't,
I
have
no
problem
with
it.
I
don't
imagine
he
would
either.
E
Okay,
so
any
day,
but
tuesday
would
work
great
for
me.
A
E
C
Yes,
sir,
I
did
I
want
to
ask
dave
the
question
david.
When
we're
the
pressure
washing
they
do
their
sectors,
they
do
the
pressure
washing
work.
Are
they
following
up
with
a
sealer
after
that.
A
C
Okay,
so
that
should
prevent
future
ghosting
from
new
gun
stains
that
makes
the
gum
come
up
easier.
I
would
presume
that
that
sealer,
so
we're
still
just
looking
at
the
ghosts
that
are
out
there
now
from.
However
long
they've
been
so
it's
really
two
different
issues,
I
think
the
cleaning
that
they're
doing
they're
doing
a
good
job
and
just
by
sealing
after
they
clean
that
could
prevent
ghosting
from
doesn't
eliminate
the
problem.
We're
dealing
with.
A
A
With
any
sealer
with
any
sealer,
you
know
you
it'll
wear
after
time,
especially
with
all
the
foot,
traffic
and
the
bicycles
and
the
skateboarders.
So
it
does
wear
like
you
know,
even
on
the
pavers
in
the
road
we
seal
that.
But
when
you
have
people
coming
doing
burnouts
and
I
mean,
and
then
you
have
even
a
street
sweeper,
we
don't
use
brooms
too
much
more
of
a
vacuum,
but
it
you
know
it
just
it
takes
its
toll.
I
mean
it's,
it's
money
well
spent
in
my
opinion,
but
it
does
wear.
B
F
You're
muted
david
good
evening-
and
I
I
think
that
some
of
my
comments
may
not
be
specifically
items
that
you're
involved
in,
but
I
just
want
to
bring
them
to
to
everyone's
attention.
F
I
would
also
very
much
like
to
do
that
drive-through
with
jason,
but
I
know
that
that
presents
a
little
bit
of
a
of
an
issue,
but
at
some
point
in
time,
I'd
like
to
do
it,
because
I've
got
quite
a
number
of
items
that
really
need
to
be
taken
care
of
in
the
downtown
area
one
of
the
year.
F
I'm
not
sure
if
this
was
specifically
mentioned
when
jeff
brought
it
up,
but
were
you
talking
about
the
pavers
that
were
missing
at
the
inlet
on
first
street
and
I
think
it's
roughly
thirds
avenue
north
in
that
area?
There's
asphalt,
that's
been
put
in
around
the
inlet
rather
than
pavers,
and
I
think
that's
one
thing.
We
need
to
take
care
of
that.
That.
A
F
There
is
another
sinkhole
when
you
go
to
2nd
street
6th
avenue
north
on
the
southwest
corner,
there's
a
pretty
good
depression
in
that
area
where,
if
a
car
hits
it
or
I
hit
it
with
my
bicycle,
it
throws
everything
out
of
whack
the
potential
of
a
accident
there
throughout
the
downtown
district,
there's
a
bunch
of
utility
boxes,
the
cable
boxes
that
have
the
covers
missing.
F
It
looks
messy.
Some
of
them
have
been
hit
by
cars.
Others
are
just
destroyed
for
other
reasons,
but
somehow
we
need
to
get
the
cable
companies
in
here
to
clean
up
their
act
a
little
bit
and
improve
not
only
in
the
downtown
district,
but
also
in
the
south
beach
district.
F
There's
a
number
of
areas
where
there
seems
to
be
not
a
real
attention
to
lawn
maintenance.
It's
there's
areas
where
there
are
right
away
areas
that
that
really
need
some
attention.
I
don't
know
whether
the
folks
that
are
responsible
for
doing
the
lawn
maintenance
are
just
not
aware
that
those
are
public
property
and
need
to
be
taken
care
of,
but
I
think
there
needs
to
be
some
further
conversations
in
reference
to
that
along
the
downtown
area.
There
are
quite
a
number
of
bollards
that
are
broken,
ripped
up
the
pavement
around
it.
F
The
pavers
are
coming
up.
Someone
needs
to
to
take
a
look
at
that.
F
And
then
recently,
I've
noticed
that
the
number
of
the
public
bathrooms
have
had
signage
on
them.
That
said
that
they're
not
in
use
or
not
available
for
use
at
this
point
in
time
it
looks
like
the
public
bathrooms
really
need
somebody
to
take
care
of
them.
F
F
So
I've
got
quite
a
list
and
this
list
is
not
only
for
the
downtown
area,
but
also
for
the
south
beach
area
and
whoever
I
need
to
sit
down
with
and
then
talk
to
I'd
be
more
than
willing
to
walk.
You
know
each
of
those
areas
and
get
a
little
bit
more
specific
on
these
items.
A
Well,
gary,
do
you
know
where
I
work
buddy,
I'm
sorry
gary
gary,
since
jeff
is
already
going
on
that
ride
along
you
won't
be
able
to
go
because
it'll
be
more
of
a
sunshine
issue,
but
if
you
can
get
that
list
to
bill,
if
you
get
that
list
of
bill
when
he's
riding
with
trevor,
he
can
share
the
things
on
your
list
or
the
theory.
Those
guys
can
look
at
all
that
stuff
and
they'll.
Just
report
back
to
us.
C
Yeah
and
restroom
maintenance
is
specifically
a
responsibility
of
parks
and
recreation
and
not
public
works.
So
it's
just
america
right.
That's
part
of
what
this
program
manager
position
when
they
come
on
board.
That's
why
we'll
have
somebody
40
hours
a
week
to
be
able
to
take
that
you
know.
Take
the
reins
over
on
that.
G
C
G
I
thought
that
we
had.
I
thought
that
we
had
already
gone
through
a
lot
of
the
things
we
all
kind
of
agreed
and
knew
someone
may
not
have
voted
on
it.
So
are
we
needing
to
put
together
a
list
that
we
all
can
look
at
and
say?
Yes,
we
want
this
to
be
a
task
for
this
new
project
manager
to
star.
Is
that
what
we
need
to
do.
G
Right
then,
I
would
propose
that
we
all
work
on
that
and
get
that
to
you.
So
we
can
have
that
discussion
in
our
next
meeting.
So
I
like
to
make
the
proposal
to
do
that.
C
One
thing:
that's
fine.
One
thing
I
want
to
tell
you
about:
this:
is
the
current
state
of
covid
and
the
governor's
orders
and
the
local
orders
we're
meeting
virtually
tonight?
I
intended
on
us
having
a
live
meeting,
but
the
board
of
adjustment
has
training
and
their
live
training,
trumps
the
need
for
us
to
be
live
because
we're
in
a
virtual
environment.
We
can
no
longer
make
decisions,
as
you
can
no
longer
make
decisions
as
a
board.
Virtually
I
fully
intend
remember.
We
talked
about
scheduling
this,
the
december
meeting.
C
G
C
G
Know
but
at
least
I
can
put
at
least
I
can
say
why
don't
you
guys
all
send
stuff
to
bill
and
bill
consent
to
me,
and
I
could
put
the
spreadsheet
together
for
our
next
time
that
we
sit
together.
So
that's
just
something
without
there
and
then
I
wanted
to
ask
on
the
same
topic:
where
do
we
stand
or
are
we
going
to
talk
about
where
we
stand
as
far
as
a
new
project
manager
for
the
cra
has
anyone
been
interviewed,
has
have
resumes
come
in?
G
Where
does
that
stand
because
we,
I
don't
know,
I
have
gotten
no
we're.
C
B
All
right,
thank
you,
sam!
Well,
yes,
I
hope
you
can
hear
me
because
I'm
getting
an
indication
that
my
cable
is
unstable,
but
yeah.
It's
just
a
small
item
there,
where
the
veterans
monuments
were
they've,
been
moved
over
to
the
park
and
I
think
it's
a
great
location,
but
where
they
were
they're
huge
holes
there
and
their
trip
hazard
right
there
on
the
corner
of.
I
think
this
second
avenue
I
don't
know
if
that's
a
work
in
progress
or
what,
but
it's
just
it's
just
obvious
that
it
can
be
a
trip
hazard.
C
C
I
will
tell
you
in
the
dick
site,
art
master
plan
that
this
location
is
called
out
as
a
focal
art
piece
location,
and
I
will
tell
you
additionally,
our
new
mayor
or
mayor-elect
is
also
sits
on
the
board
of
the
life
of
the
lifeguards,
the
lifeguard
corps,
and
they
have
been
for
several
years
very
interested
in
having
some
type
of
sculptural
statement
that
that
lends
you
know
or
lens
or
shows
in
a
positive
light.
The
life
is
saving
core.
C
So
that
may
be
the
opportunity
to
do
that
in
that
location,
and
it
makes
sense
because
it
leads
right
up
to
the
lifeguard
station
into
the
beach.
But
there
will
be
a
piece
of
artwork
there
and
before
that,
that's
part
of
that's
one
of
the
places
trevor
and
I
are
going
to
look
at
we'll
make
sure
at
least
it
has
a
presentable
appearance
until
we
get
whatever
the
programmed
art
piece
go
in,
there
will
be.
A
And
your
involvement
thanks
david-
I
I
I
appreciate
this
and
I
will
be.
I
can
encourage
the
cable
companies
about
the
boxes.
I
will
get
on
that
first
thing
in
the
morning
and
I
will
also
check
out
2nd
street
and
6th
avenue
just
see
where
that
depression
is
so.
I
will
be
getting
with
mr
man
on
that
too.
So
you
all
have
a
good
evening
be
safe.
Okay,
thanks
dave,
all
right
see
ya
all
right
before
we
before
we
leave
this
issue.
A
We
talked
about
having
those
bars
not
line
up
on
the
city
sidewalk.
If
we
were
going
to
address
that
issue,
I
guess
we'd
have
to
address
it
the
same
way
we
did.
The
the
trucks
in
the
road
we'd
have
to
come
up
with
a
plan
or
come
on
some
kind
of
legislation
and
then
make
recommendations
for
the
city
council,
and
then
they
could
either
run
with
it
or
squash
it,
and
I
guess
my
first
question
I
have
is
before
we
start
going
down
this
path.
G
C
One
good
thing
on
that:
that's,
what's
a
good
opportunity
to
use
our
cape
officers
that
are
funded
by
the
cra
because
they're
on
the
street
every
day
and
at
night
during
the
peak
entertainment
hours
at
night,
and
they
can
do
soft
encouragement,
it
may
be
that
we
get
voluntary
compliance
without
having
to
do
formal
regulation.
So
I
think
we
ought
to
start
I'm
just
I
realize
mark's,
I
think,
mark's
out
of
the
meeting,
but
that's
something
I'll
talk
to
them
about.
I
think
they
would
have
no
problem
taking
up
the
range
for
that.
A
Okay,
thanks
all
right
toolbox,
discussion
items
a
mr
man:
what's
the
toolbox
all
about.
C
One
of
the
tasks
that
gilmore
hagan
partners
was
contracted
with
to
do
was
to
come
up
and
this
the
last
item
of
that
initial
contract
work
was
to
come
up
with
an
incentive
tool
box
to
use
both
for
retaining
existing
businesses
and
to
courage.
New
businesses
in
the
downtown
area
and
jim
and
taylor
have
come
up
with
a
fairly
substantial
list
and
they're
here
tonight
to
talk
to
you
about
it.
H
No,
I
just
got
to
take
myself
off
moot
mute.
Thank
you
very
much
everyone,
and
let
me
say
before
we
begin,
I'm
very
happy
to
note
that
the
internal
communications
process
that
we
developed
and
discussed
with
you
recently
is
in
play
with
having
a
regular
basis.
H
Of
course
we
have
mark,
but
they
have
david
mcdonald
today
is
part
of
that,
and
part
of
the
program
will
be
moving
forward,
is
to
have
one
of
the
significant
people,
have
a
discussion
and
be
present
at
least
at
each
of
the
other
meetings
for
conversations
and
then
to
proceed
to
have
at
least
reports,
if
not
in
person,
then
written.
So
we
can
note
we
can
have
a
status
list
of
where
we
are
in
some
of
these
things.
H
So
congratulations
to
everyone
and
to
bill.
Thank
you
and
the
administration
for
helping
make
this
implement,
that
internal
communications
process
incentive.
Toolboxes
incentives
are
used
by
municipalities
and
cities
and
redevelopment
agencies
to
quite
frankly,
work
to
cause
and
create
additional
capital,
investment
and
jobs.
H
They
are
to
be
used
in
my
professional
opinion
judiciously
when
and
when
necessary,
judiciously
and
when,
when
necessary,
and
I
define
that
by
developers,
if
you
want
to
and
this
this
will
be
something
I
hope
we
get
into
in
in
in
later
times.
When
we
talk
about
the
redevelopment
plans
for
south
beach
and
downtown,
how
do
we
use
them
to
make
sure
they're
used
effectively
to
cause
the
right
development
to
occur?
H
It's
always
been
thought
that
you
don't.
If
you've
got
strong
interest
in
strong
markets
in
your
areas,
then
quite
frankly,
then,
potentially
you
should
use
incentives
less
because
you
don't
want
to,
as
you
do
due
diligence
to
have
someone
quite
frankly
come
in
and
take
advantage
and
in
our
career
we've
seen
that
a
bit,
and
we
don't
like
that.
We
want
to
use
them
judiciously
and
appropriately
that
we'll
work
on
and
what
we've
designed
here
are
simply
giving
you
examples
of
things
that
can
be
done
and
had
have
been
done.
H
That
can
achieve
the
objectives
of
the
redevelopment
plan
and
we
will
take
these
and
apply
them
to
them,
and
I
just
like
to
go
through
them
with
you.
Briefly
and
answer
any
questions
that
you
have
the
recapture
enhanced
value
grant,
and-
and
as
I
talk
about
this
when
we
talk
about
use
of
incentives,
what
we're
really
talking
about
is
public
participation
to
make
a
project
to
occur,
and
that's
what
we're
talking
about
and
frequently
that
involves
some
type
of
cash
participation
after
analysis.
That
again
is
going
to
achieve
the
objective
whatever
it
might
be.
H
Okay,
there
you
go
the
recapture
enhanced
value
grant
and
I'm
hoping
that
this
toolbox
slide
deck
will
be
provided
to
you.
So
you
can
look
at
it
and
come
back
with
any
additional
questions
that
you
might
have.
In
effect,
a
rev
grant
is
designed
to
bring
the
capital
investment
into
it
and
the
way
it
works.
No
upfront
cash
is
required
on
the
municipality
and
in
your
tax
increment
district.
As
you
know,
you've
got
the
base
year
and
every
increase
in
that
goes
into
the
trust
fund.
It's
very
similar
to
that
approach.
H
If
you've
got
someone
that
says,
I've
got
to
have
x
amount
of
dollars
to
make
this
work,
and
you
can
negotiate
with
him
to
make
his
pro
forma
work
for
his
development
project.
Then
you
can
take
a
portion
of
the
new
taxes
that
he's
going
to
create
and
rebate
that
back
to
him.
It's
an
effect,
a
tax
rebate
program.
H
This
is
public
money
we're
talking
about
and
we
want
to
make
sure
it's
absolutely
necessary
and
that,
in
addition,
once
an
agreement
may
be
negotiated,
that
there
are
provisions
in
there
that
if
the
developer
does
not
produce,
he
does
not
get
it
or
he
has
to
pay
it
back
again.
Lots
of
different
techniques,
but
the
basic
premise:
about
a
recapture
enhanced
value
grant
is
it's
a
tax
rebate
to
cause
him
to
produce
the
problem
project
to
help
make
his
numbers
work
on
his
development.
G
Jim,
I
just
want
to
add,
really
quick
there.
It's
the
developer
will
be
paying
their
taxes
in
full
and
then
they
get
it.
B
H
H
H
Parking
participation
parking
is
an
issue
in
jack's
beach,
as
we
know,
and
we
hear
from
lots
of
different
different
people,
and
there
are
lots
of
ways
again
to
approach
that
and
it's.
This
is
just
a
small
example
of
it.
You've
got
land
and
a
lot
of
times.
The
land
costs
produce
parking
is
most
expensive.
H
H
Sometimes
if
the
developer
really
needs
parking-
and
I
know
there
is
at
least
one
developer
that
does
want
parking
in
the
downtown
cra
that
potentially
a
land
could
be
a
land
deal
could
be
made
where
you
lease
the
land
or
sell
the
land,
and
you
agree
to
lease
back
from
him
a
certain
number
of
parking
spaces
for
guaranteed
public
use
and
he
finances
and
builds
it,
and
he
gets
the
remainder
for
his
own
use.
Just
an
example.
H
You
can
also
make
an
outright
cash
grant
to
offset
the
cost
again
to
be
paid
upon
completion
of
the
project,
but
always
keeping
in
mind
having
a
guaranteed
number
of
public
parking
spaces
always
available
to
the
public
because
to
participate
to
participate
in
parking
with
the
developer.
At
least
that's
always
been
a
very
important
principle.
H
Quite
some
of
them
have
been
interested
in
building
the
garage
themselves
if
they
can
get
some
way
to
have
some
land
and,
at
the
same
time
make
public
parking
back
to
the
public
for
its
own
use,
and
that's
something
that
you
would
control
it's
a
little
bit
of
a
different
twist
where
the
public
sector
builds
it
and
then
leases
back
to
a
private
developer.
In
fact,
it's
just
the
opposite.
The
private
sector
develops
it,
the
the
the
municipality
participates
and
they
get
to
lease
back
a
number
for
their
own
use.
H
That's
that's
sort
of
a
business
deal
it's
kind
of
exciting
in
some
way,
if
you're
releasing
it
back
from
the
developer
at
x-rate.
If
you
want
to
make
money
you,
you
can
sell
the
spaces
assuming
you're,
going
to
charge
them
at
y
rate,
so
you
can
recover
some
of
your
cost
into
the
deal
next
slide
site
preparation.
H
This
is
easy
when
you
own
the
land,
but
the
point
there
is:
if
you've
got
a
new
development
and
in
downtown
or
south
beach,
you
want
a
developer
to
do
something.
A
developer
wants
to
do
something.
How
can
you
make
his
numbers
work
to
cause
him
to
produce
the
project,
because
that's
always
the
first
principle.
H
H
You
can
take
a
look
at
the
development
pro
forma
of
what
he's
going
to
produce
and
look
at
those
items
that
logically
could
be
funded
as
an
infrastructure
component
to
help
the
developer
produce.
What
he's
going
to
do,
as,
in
all
cases,
you've
got
to
make
sure
the
developer
is
going
to
really
do
what
he's
going
to
do
and
you're
not
going
to
do
our
part
until
you
know
he's
going
to
do
his
part
next
slide.
H
Again,
general
infrastructure
support:
that's
what
you're
doing
right
now,
with
all
that
work,
you're
doing
down
there,
that
is
general
infrastructure
support
and
one
cannot
emphasize
how
what
a
tremendous
assist
that
is
to
private
development.
I
would
suggest
to
you
that
to
a
great
degree,
the
interest
in
development
has
occurred
in
the
last
number
of
years
is
because
folks
know
that
you
have
put
stuff
in
the
ground
that
impacts
resiliency
and
helps
make
it
better.
H
H
If
you
know
that
you
want
retail
development
in
your
redevelopment
area,
okay-
and
you
know
someone's
going
in
with
the
lease-
and
you
know-
he's
there
and
he's
going
to
actually
complete
it-
we
can
again
using
the
same
principle
knowing
that
he's
going
to
be
in
there
to
development,
and
it's
going
to
stay
there.
You
can
provide
what
this
is
called
a
real
estate
tax
recovery
grant.
H
H
Excuse
me
just
improve
improve
the
exterior
of
the
building
itself,
where
the
developer
or
the
owner
of
the
property
might
not
want
to
do
it,
and
it
could
be
that
this
is.
This
is
an
incentive
to
cause
people
to
want
to
do
it.
Potentially
some
of
this
could
come
into
play
for
some
of
the
other
items.
We
were
talking
about
a
little
bit
earlier,
but
it's
a
match
program.
Somebody
the
developer,
might
have
to
spend.
H
And
you've
had
it
before
and
it's
and
it's
worked
well
retail
enhancement
grant
program.
I
like
this
one
a
lot
because,
like
I
suppose,
quite
frankly,
it
was
something
that
I
helped
create
if
you've
got
and
it's
a
different
from
the
tax
recovery
program,
because
this
one
goes
directly
to
the
the
property
owner
itself,
retail
enhancement
grant
program.
H
H
The
tenant
has
to
be
in
there
and
the
tenant
has
to
stay
there
for
a
certain
period
of
time,
and
if
not,
then
the
developer
has
to
pay
it
back
as
opposed
to
us,
giving
him
a
tax
rebate.
In
this
case,
we've
got
cash
that
would
go
in
to
fix
up
the
facility
sufficiently
enough
to
attract
a
retail
interest
that
might
not
do
it
otherwise,
but
that
person
has
to
be
in
there
for
x.
Period
of
time
has
to
be
consistent
with
a
redevelopment
plan.
H
Funds
can
be
used
to
retain
existing
businesses
or
new
businesses,
and
if
they
don't
at
the
recoverable
grant,
if
they
don't
stay
in
a
certain
period
of
time,
the
developer
has
to
pay
the
money
back
to
the
city,
that
that
is
an
extremely
important
nuance.
First
place
you're,
giving
them
back
taxes
second
place,
you're,
giving
them
money
up
front,
and
if
they
don't
produce,
then
the
agreement
would
cause
them
to
have
to
pay
it
back
over
a
certain
period
of
time.
H
Next
slide
and
again
I
really
like
this
a
lot,
which
is
why
I
put
a
lot
of
detail
in
on
how
this
could
potentially
work.
I
invite
you
to
read
it
rather
me
going
to
it
bullet
by
bullet,
and
we
can
talk
about
this
at
another
time,
and
I
know
that
you've
got
copies
of
it,
but
this
one
is,
has
really
really
worked
really
well,
when
you're
trying
to
attract
businesses
to
an
area
in
the
retail
component
that
you
really
want
to
make
it
happen.
I've
heard
so
many
times
saying:
well,
we
want
restaurants.
H
We
want
to
get
them
here,
but
they're,
not
particularly
interested
in
these
type
of
grant
programs
can
serve
as
a
necessary
incentive
to
get
the
product
in
there.
That
we
want
to
see-
and
this
particular
suggestion
is
that
the
grantee
has
to
remain
there
for
five
years
and
they've
got
to
create
some
jobs
and
renovation
projects
can
be
could
be
as
much
as
20
bucks
for
every
square
foot
lease
depending
on
what
it
is
and
how
it
works,
but
we
don't
want
it
to
pay
for
all
of
it.
H
H
H
Again,
examples
of
what
it
can
be
used
for-
and
I
gave
gave
a
lot
of
details
on
this
because
I
know
we've
been
talking
about
wanting
to
to
to
bring
in
additional
retail
work
in
in
our
downtown
area.
So
that's
why
I'm
giving
you
this
one
thing
is
important:
ineligible
grant
expenditures,
no
working
capital,
no
space
on
a
specular
basis.
H
This
is
one
that,
quite
frankly,
and
again,
I
put
everything
in
the
kitchen
sink
in
this
presentation
for
consideration,
but
to
a
great
degree,
much
of
these
items
have
already
been
taken.
Care
of
you've
got
your
redevelopment
district
zone
in
place,
but
it's
always
a
good
thing
to
look
at
the
land
use
and
zoning
issues
to
see
what
could
be
done
to
help
spur
development
fast
track.
Permitting
is
easy
special
permitting
you
could
waive.
H
Potentially,
this
will
cut,
require
legislative
action
or
potentially
use
ti
fund
to
find
permit
fees
to
make
it
happen,
and
then
you
own
land,
and
if
you
sell
that
land
you
could
potentially
establish
a
trust
fund.
In
addition
to
ti
funds,
support
the
retail
enhancement
grants
or
whatever
else
you
want
to
use,
but
the
use
of
land
is
disposition.
H
H
H
H
H
H
H
The
second
thing
that
can
be
measured
is
induced
taxes
and
when
I
say
induced
taxes,
what
I
mean
is
if
there
are
a
certain
number
of
employees
or
if
it's
a
restaurant,
a
certain
number
of
business.
That's
coming
out
of
that
one
can
estimate
what
the
expected
expenditure
is
going
to
be
in
the
community
from
that
business
by
employees
are
folks
simply
coming
to
eat.
H
That
gives
you
a
measure
of
what
total
direct
city
revenue
might
be,
and
this
is
simple,
but
it
really
does
work
and
then
you've
got
the
total
city
investment
and
then
c,
divided
by
d
gives
you
e,
which
is
a
ratio
where
it
suggested
it's
greater
than
one
project
breaks,
even
direct
return.
Proof
more
projected
revenue
than
total
cost
equal
to
one
breaks
even
less
than
one
but
positive,
but
the
city
generates
revenues
to
recover
a
portion
of
its
costs.
H
This
is
this
return
on
analysis
by
return
on
investment
formula
is
being
used
more
and
more
throughout
the
state,
and
I
highly
see
would
recommend
as
we
move
forward
and
think
about
best
ways
and
means
to
use
incentives
that
we
do
have
return
on
investment
analysis
that
can
be
easily
easily
documented
and
explained
to
all
of
the
constituents
and
to
everyone
so
that
we
know
what
kind
of
bang
we're
getting
for
our
buck
next
slide.
H
H
I'm
a
great
believer
that
when
you
use
public
sector
dollars
to
incent
any
type
of
development,
we
do
it
not
only
judiciously
and
appropriately
my
favorite
catchphrase
tonight,
but
also
that
we
have
a
ways
and
means
to
estimate
and
measure
a
return
on
the
public
investment
to
the
public
sector.
For
what
we're
doing
with
that,
I
need
another
drink
of
water,
and
I
didn't
realize
I
didn't
have
my
video
on,
but
there
I
am.
A
G
Thank
you,
our.
I
have
two
questions.
Thank
you
for
this.
It's
actually
very,
very
helpful
to
understand
a
lot
of
these
things
that
we
don't
get
exposure
to.
So
thank
you
for
that.
But
in
any
of
your
and
I've
mentioned
it
a
few
different
times
and
we
have
support,
have
not
discussed
it
and
we
don't
even
have
even
made
the
steps
to
propose
to
city
council
some
other
incentives,
but
were
you?
G
Is
there
any
kind
of
instead
of
platform
out
there
or
a
city
you
have
experienced
or
seen
where
they
came
up
with
incentives
that
change
the
build-out
ratios
and
percentages.
G
H
I
have
to
be-
and
I
have
seen
where
that
has
been
done,
but
I'm
going
to
be
honest
with
you
and
say
that
it's
been
not
in
my
area
of
expertise.
That's
where
I
would
go
to
an
expert
like
bill
mann
to
talk
about
some
of
those
things
in
fact,
interesting
that
you
should
say
that
we
had
a
meeting
in
the
last
two
weeks.
H
Maybe
last
week
I
don't
remember,
but
you
remember,
we
were
sitting
down
and
we
you
were
talking
about
some
of
those
things
and
how
that
could
work,
and
so
I
always
throw
that
question
back
to
a
a
very
serious
land
use
and
zoning
expert
on
how
that
can
work
to
cause
development
to
occur
as
well
and
you've
already
looked
at
some
of
that
in
the
document
too.
Right.
G
So
that's
in
our
comprehensive
plan
and
all
that
other
stuff
that
I
dug
into
well
when
I
share
with
the
group,
so
I
still
not
quite
sure
if
that's
something
that
council
changes
or
if
it's
actually
voted
upon
legislation
changed,
I
don't
know
the
process
of
that,
but
that
might
be
something
as
the
board
they
may
decide
to.
You
may
decide
to
address
so
I'm
not
quite
sure
bill.
Do
you
want
to
say
anything
about
that
until
I
get
to
my
second
point
up.
C
One
brief
comment
about
that:
it
has
been
discussed
and
I
believe
all
the
council
candidates,
maybe
including
yourself.
You
can
tell
me
if
I
was
wrong.
They
were
generally
supportive
of
at
least
trying
to
revisit
the
downtown
building
height,
that
type
of
intensification
of
maybe
ground
level
development
could
be
tied
to
additional
to
bonusing.
You
know,
bonus
height
increases,
pull
off
the
street,
give
us
some
pedestrian
plaza
space.
They
do
it
in
the
big
new
york
city's
famous
for
doing
it.
C
You
know
we'll
give
you
extra
building
height,
but
guess
what
you're
going
to
create
a
public
plaza,
that's
accessible
to
everybody
on
the
ground
level,
put
art,
features
and
stuff
out
there.
That's
how
they
get
a
lot
of
those
great
public
spaces
in
bigger
cities
and
that
component,
when
and
if
the
referendum
gets
out
to
the
city,
for
you
know
to
think
about
revisiting
the
height
gap
and
that's
why.
C
H
As
if
I
may,
on
that
same
point,
that
you're
just
asking
bill
about
the
city
manager
has
a
lot
of
experience
with
how
some
of
that
was
done
where
he
came
from
before
he
came
here
there,
and
there
are
a
lot
of
examples
around
the
state,
including
I
went
through
a
process
that
seemed
to
take
forever
for
a
new
downtown
jacksonville
overlay
zone.
That
did
exactly
what
you're
talking
about
a
little
bit
different
to
ensure
that
there
was
plenty
of
public
space.
H
No
blockage
of
river
views,
no
canyons,
no
high-rises.
There
was
a
very
complex
ways:
a
complex
zoning
overlay
that
was
then
adopted
by
the
city
council,
not
the
downtown
investment
authority,
but
was
developed
with
developers
to
ensure
that
everyone
could
achieve
what
they
wanted.
To
achieve
that
you
had
developable
parcels,
but
you
also
protected
open
space,
right-of-ways
public
space
and
you
protected
in
jacksonville's
case
river
views
without
having
them
being
blocked
off.
Okay,
there's
some
really
good
work.
That's
been
done
so.
G
Basically,
since
that's
more
of
a
council
driven
thing,
I
should
drop
it
because
that's
not
necessarily
our
thing,
that's
going
to
be
driven
by
them,
but
I
just
wanted
to
ask
that
question
and
then
last
part.
Just
last
question
I
had
is,
since
we've
been
talking
about
our
internal
communications
and
how
important
that
was
for
us
to
get
initiated
and
have
people
come
to
our
meeting
as
well
as
city
council.
G
H
I
would
say
this
that
this
is
a
very
important
point.
The
city
manager
got
this
about
a
month
or
so
ago
or
two
ago
because
he
asked
for
it
to
see
it.
For
that
very
reason,
so
I
would
believe
that
he's
going
to
take
that
and
discuss
that
with
with
the
city
council
on
it.
So
we
will
run
that
by
him
and
see
how
he
wants
to
manage
that,
but
he
has
been
fully
briefed
on
this
document.
G
H
I
wouldn't
take
it
I'm
going
to
take
another
step
francis
that,
hopefully
I
haven't
stepped
out
of
bounds
on
this
one.
But
you
know
we
have
the
external
communications
process
and
I've
already
begun,
based
on
a
wonderful
list.
H
So
I'm
I'm
hopeful
that
it
starts
to
develop
interests
within
the
property
owner
and-
and
I
believe
that
it
will-
I
haven't,
said
directly-
we're
going
to
have
an
incentive
toolbox,
but
they
know
it's.
They
know
it's
coming
and
no,
it's
part
of
what
we're
working
on
so
internally
and
externally.
I'm
excited
about
that.
E
Okay,
just
on
that
last
point,
the
external
communication.
This
is
more
of
an
anecdote,
but
I
play
golf
with
a
fellow
who
has
a
condo
down
in
the
south
first
street
in
the
area
that
hasn't
been
improved
yet
or
had
their
utility
work
done
and
he's
aware
of
what
I
do
in
the
upcoming
project.
But
he
was
talking
to
a
bunch
of
his
neighbors
and
he
said
not
a
single
one.
Property
owners
knew
that
the
cra
existed.
C
One
one
can,
I
add
one
point
to
that
jeff
before
you
ask
your
next
question,
the
just
by
the
description
I
I'm
assuming
the
gentleman
somewhere
between
11th
avenue,
south
and
4th
avenue
south.
That
would
actually
a
little
cra.
Education
could
be
the
introductory
component
to
the
public
meetings.
We
have
that
actually
get
to
the
specific
design
because
they
don't
know
us
they
don't
know
about.
C
I
think
they
may
know
that
hey
we're
in
between
fourth
has
been
approved
and
11th
and
it's
been
approved,
and
I
think
they
generally
know
what's
going
to
happen,
but
there
will
be
detailed
outreach
meetings
specific
to
the
design
of
their
project
streets
and
that
could
the
first
part
of
that
could
easily
be
a
little
cra
tutorial
about
hey
this
is
why
you're
getting
it?
You
know
your
increased
tax
value
is
helping
to
pay
for
this.
So
that's
actually
that's
a
good
idea.
Good.
E
H
C
G
C
Sir,
that
I
can,
I
can
get
them
some
of
the
metrics
for
you.
I
can't
tell
you
specifically
right
now,
because
several
of
the
buildings
that
I
know
benefited
from
that
the
buildings
are
gone.
I
mean
it
just
happened.
They
were
in
business
at
the
time.
It
was
a
facade
improvement.
It
didn't
relate
to
landscaping.
Francis
was
on
the
board,
I
believe
when
and
when
we
funded
the
program,
I
believe,
every
year
the
monies
were
exhausted,
weren't
they.
So
I
think
it
was
a
fairly
popular
program.
Sorry
and.
G
I'll
just
add
as
well:
it
was
also
used
for
the
lower
income
housing.
At
one
point.
Those
buildings
are
now
gone
as
well
and
ended
up
being
that
where
they
end
up,
painting
everything
and
but
not
fixing
those
older
buildings
up,
that's
also
a
part,
but
that's
not
part
of
our
area.
But
yes,
it
has
been
used
in
the
past.
C
C
B
Yes,
I
had
a
concern
about
our
return
on
investment.
I
know
the
retail
enhancement
grant.
I
know
that's
the
grant,
but
I
think
there's
a
caveat
there
where
they
will
have
to
repay
that
grant
if
certain
conditions
aren't
met.
Maybe
that's
two
too
many
details
that
I'm
looking
at
here,
but
no
it's
there.
H
You
want
to
make
sure
that
they
stay
there
and
every
year
they're
there
a
portion
of
it
of
the
burns
off,
but
if,
for
some
reason
they
have
to
they
go
out
of
business,
which
you
want
to
make
sure
it
doesn't
happen,
then
they
would
have
to
pay
it
back.
Now.
There's
two
parts
of
that:
the
retail
enhancement
grant
frequently
goes
to
the
owner
of
the
property
retail
tenant.
H
B
E
B
F
F
The
challenge
I
see
for
the
agency
is
that
I
think
we
need
to
go
through
this
list
and
determine
which
ones
are
really
items
that
we
want
to
use
for
future
development
or
use
with
developers.
I
don't
think
every
single
one
of
these
is
appropriate
necessarily,
but
certain
ones
are
and
if
we
could
put
a
little
bit
more
detail
into
the
specific
ones
we
want
to
use
and
then
take
that
information
to
city
council
city
manager
to
get
their
concurrence.
F
I
think
that
might
be
a
way
to
proceed
rather
because
at
some
point
we've
we've
got
to
decide
which
one
of
these
options
we
really
want
to
use.
The
one
thing
I
didn't
I
didn't
hear
in
your
presentation
was
anything
about
something
like
gap
financing.
F
H
With
the
rev
grant
and
some
of
the
other
grants,
the
commercial
development
grants
the
commercial
development
loans
that
go
in
there
typically
gap
financing
is
a
little
bit
different,
and
I
didn't
talk
about
this.
Specifically,
there
are
other
programs
that
can
come
into
play
for
gap
financing
lisc
the
local
investment
support
corporation
is
a
great
source
of
providing
gap,
financing
as
necessary.
H
Really
tricky
in
terms
of
ensuring
you
get
the
money
paid
back,
that's
more
of
a
direct
loan
as
opposed
to
weight.
I
did
not
talk
about
that,
because
it's
really
true.
F
And
and
the
other
option
of
you
know
going
and
getting
bond
financing
for
projects
such
that
we've
got
the
lowest
financing
costs.
You
know
possibly
available
for
a
developer.
H
You
can't
really
do
that,
particularly
for
profit
development,
for
municipal
financing,
on
that
you
can
use
bond
financing
and
use
tips
to
finance
and
to
create
bonds.
Do
some
of
the
other
items
to
create
value,
but
give
you
an
example.
We
talked
about
the
infrastructure,
fight
development
support
if
I'm
a
developer
and
I'm
going
to
build
a
hotel
and
it's
20
million
bucks
or
whatever
it
is
30
million
and
you've
got
the
site
and
within
that
30
million
dollars.
I
know
I've
got
to
have
construction
work
done.
I've
got
to
have
improved
utilities.
H
I've
got
to
have
transportation
improvements
whatever
that
whole
list
might
be.
I
got
to
take
care
of
water
management
issues
whatever
that
number
is,
let's
say
it's
20
of
total
cost
that
can
be
taken
off
of
his
financing
obligation
and
be
paid
for
right.
Right.
That
to
me
is
a
better
way
to
approach
that
than
trying
to
get
heavily
involved
and-
and
you
can,
you
and
tiff
can
bond
money.
We
got
plenty
of
cash,
but
you
can
use.
H
B
H
F
There
were
just
a
couple
other
quick
thoughts
that
came
to
mind
as
I
was
looking
through
your
document,
and
one
was
you
know
some
kind
of
benefits
for
sustainability,
designing
for
lead
and
things.
To
that
extent,
I
think
would
be
beneficial
for
us
as
a
cra
to
really
take
a
look
at
for
future
projects.
Along
with
you
know,
one
of
the
things
that
makes
certain
cities
more
development
desirable
is
are
those
that
can
provide
the
high
speed
technology
systems
that
are
needed
for
businesses
today.
H
And
I
suppose
my
thoughts
have
been
to
start
to
start
with.
Your
first
point,
gary
is
that
I
know
we're
going
to
come
back
and
talk
about
this.
The
context
of
the
downtown
plan
of
looking
at
south
beach
as
well
to
your
point,
looking
at
those
objectives
and
the
board
making
coming
to
a
decision-making
process
of
what
you
want
to
focus
on
and
then
seeing.
These
are
the
best
incentives
to
work
to
make
that
happen.
H
F
A
G
H
C
I'll
start
out
with,
we
did
have
a
discussion
with
the
city
manager,
specifically
about
the
point
that
francis
had
raised
about
that.
Her
desire
would
be
to
have
the
program
manager
reportable.
Excuse
me
accountable
to
the
city
manager,
as
opposed
to
the
planning
and
development
director
he
fairly
quickly
and
specifically
said
that
that
was
not
his
plan
at
all.
C
He's
also
vetting
the
new
planning
and
development
director,
and
that's
part
of
what
he's
vetting
in
the
who
they
want
to
get
the
candidate
to
replace
me
is
that
they
have
cra
experience
and
they
could
perform
that
capacity
for
oversight
of
the
cra
program
manager.
So
he
was.
It
was
just
very
clear
to
us
that
he
didn't
agree
with
that.
H
So
put
it
in
this
context,
which
doesn't
make
some
sense.
If
you
look
at
a
straight
span
of
control
management
system,
he
has
got
a
lot
of
people
that
report
directly
to
him
right
now
and
in
his
mind,
the
way
he's
looking
at
this
with
the
planning
and
development
director
is
bill
outlined
that
and
that
this
new
person
reporting
back
up
to
that
way
is
better
he's,
got
an
easier
way
to
manage.
A
G
I
just
still
I
I
understand
that
that's
his
stance.
I
still
don't
understand
the
reasoning
for
it.
I
understand
that
he
has
the
right
to
do
his
flow
structure,
how
he
wants,
and
maybe
the
answer
is
in
his
mind.
Possibly
the
cra
is
a
development
agency.
Therefore
we
go
through
the
you
know:
planning
development
purse
department.
Maybe
that's
how
he's
thinking
his
flow
chart,
maybe
personally
from
when
this
theory
was
originally
developed.
G
G
H
He
was
simply
just
he
was
simply
defining
the
management
approach
to
make
it
easier
so
that,
when
the
program
manager
is
doing
something
that
they've
got
someone
that
they
could
talk
to
immediately
like
the
planning
and
development
director
as
instead
of
having
to
wait
to
get
to
him
when
he's
got
five,
I
don't
know
how
many
people
he's
got
that
are
direct
reports
now
trying
to
figure
out
a
ways
and
means
to
get
to
him
when
things
have
to
be
done.
I
think.
A
F
C
My
discussions
with
the
city
manager,
not
the
hr
director,
I
haven't
discussed
with
this
hr
director,
yet
have
been
primarily
just
on
the
planning
and
development
director
hire.
I
anticipate
and
it
would
be
my
desire
that
we
get
the
pnd
director
on
board
just
before
we
get
the
program
manager
for
the
next
meeting
or
I
can
reach
out
by
email
and
let
you
know
as
soon
as
I
get
from
the
hr
director
how
many
applications
we
received.
I
think
the
initial
period
is
over.
C
If
not
it's
coming
to
an
end
at
it
may
be
the
end
of
this
month.
It
may
be
november
30th,
it's
the
20th
november
20th,
okay,
yeah
taylor
may
now,
but
we've
gotten
some
responses.
I
don't
know
about
the
quality
of
them.
They
haven't
shared
them
with
me
and
honestly,
I
don't
know
if
they
will
it
may
be.
I
may
not
be
part
of
the
selection
committee.
I
would
think
I
would,
if
I'm
still
here,
you
know
acting
in
my
current
position.
C
E
I'm
sorry,
are
we
going
to
get
an
opportunity
to
interview
the
top
candidates,
or
is
that.
C
C
F
A
F
I
just
wanted
to
add:
this
person
is
ultimately
going
to
report
to
the
cra.
I
think
we
as
the
cra
need
to
participate
in
the
interview
process.
I
mean
for
that
person
not
to
have
contact
with
the
individual
members
of
this
board
during
their
selection
process.
I
think
would
be
a
is
a
problem.
As
far
as
I
see.
F
C
A
All
right,
that's
everything
we
have
on
discussion
items.
Mr
man.
C
Just
a
little
recap
about
what
we're
gonna
do.
At
the
next
meeting
the
december
meeting,
we
went
through
the
consolidated
downtown
plan
with
the
the
excellent
materials
that
francis
gave
us.
I
keep
going
back
to
that
book
all
the
time
because
it
is
well
organized,
but
we've
primarily
focused
just
on
that
fourth
avenue
corridor.
I
think
in
december.
C
I
think
we
could
kind
of
flush
out
the
rest
of
the
corridors
or
a
little
more
straightforward,
but
I'd
like
to
go
ahead
and
get
that
done
and
as
a
group,
I've
already
had
one
of
our
regular
speakers
that
come
one
of
our
public
speakers
that
comes
in
a
meeting
has
asked.
Well
has
this:
has
the
cra
decided
whether
or
not
we're
going
to
come
up
with
a
new
vision
plan?
Is
there
a
third
iteration?
Are
we
going
to?
C
Are
we
happy
with
the
existing
one,
but
we
need
to
go
ahead
and
come
to
full
closure
on
the
vetting
of
that
consolidated
work
from
the
shepherd
group?
That's
one
thing.
The
other
thing
is
two
of
our
current
members
on
the
screen.
Right
now,
our
terms
are
up.
In
the
end
of
december,
the
appointments
will
be
considered
by
city
council
at
either
the
12
7
or
the
12
21
council
meeting.
So
that's
on
our
radar.
I
just
didn't
want
to
think
that
we
and
we've
had
we've
had
the.
A
B
Excuse
me
art
through
the
chair:
I'm
sorry,
I'm
not
sure.
If
pete
hill,
I
believe
he
might
be
wanting
to
speak
towards
this.
I'm
not
sure
if
you
can
see
that
he's
an
attendee,
not
that
it
matters
right
now,
but
courtesy
of
the
floor.
We
may
possibly
have
a
panelist
that
wants
to
speak.
A
Sure
I
just
want
to
hear
with
the
board
members
say:
first,
if
he's
still
on
the
line,
we'll
let
him
speak
for
a
couple
of
minutes
at
the
end.
F
I
think
yeah,
I
think
I've
pretty
much
voiced
my
opinion
in
reference
to
that
piece
of
property
before,
because
it
sits
back
in
a
real
residential
area,
also
backs
up
to
riptide
and
there's
really
no
other
appropriate
use
other
than
residential
ford.
So
I
think
we
as
the
cira
ought
to
consider
disposing
of
that
piece
of
property.
A
B
Yes,
unfortunately,
I
did
not
get
a
chance
to
look
at
that
property.
I
would
have
to
defer
to
the
members
of
the
board,
and
I
will
trust
your
judgment
on
that.
A
C
I
would
like
to
discuss
with
the
city
manager
what
the
city's
posture
is
on
also
liquidating
putting
back
on
the
market.
The
the
sunshine
court
lots
to
see
if
we
want
to
do
that
together
and
I
think
that
will
define
the
process
if
they
do
not
want
to
do
any
sunshine
court
spots.
At
this
point,
the
first
thing
we
need
to
do
is
get
an
appraisal
and
we
can
decide
as
a
group
how
we
want
to
vet
different
bids
on
it.
C
I'm
sure
if
mr
hill's
online-
and
he
wants
to
talk
in
a
minute,
he
may
have
an
idea
about
how
you
know
how
he
thinks
the
process
would
go,
but
it
could
be
sealed
bids.
It
there's
any
number
of
ways.
First
thing
we
need
to
do
is
get
an
appraisal
on
it.
If
that's,
we
can't
decide.
We
can't
make
an
accident
on
that
tonight.
We
can
in
december,
because
we'll
meet
in
person.
If
that's
the
will
of
the
group,
we'll
do
that
and
I'll
get
an
appraisal
order.
A
Is
it
is
it?
Is
it
our
choice
on
how
we
decide
to
dispose
of
it?
If
we
want
to
do
sealed
bids
or
open
option,
or
what
have
you.
C
Well,
statute
is
very
general
about
disposal
and
acquisition
of
properties.
They
don't
guide
us
that
far
and
to
my
knowledge
we
haven't.
I
don't
think
I
don't
think
I've
got
any
historical
record
with
our
cra
where
we've
disposed
of
any
property,
but
it's
out
there
I
can
get
it.
I
can
get
on
the
fra
website
and
see
what
the
what
the
in
vogue
manner
is
right
now
for
doing
property
disposition
and
I'll
talk
to
our
per
I'll
talk
to
our
procurement
officer
as
well.
A
Sam,
if
you
get
the
opportunity
between
now
and
our
next
meeting,
I'd
encourage
you
to
go
out
there,
take
a
look
at
it.
Just
out
of
curiosity
absolutely
or
you
can
just
close
pull
up
a
satellite
picture
of
the
map
and
you
can
see
there's
residential
houses.
I
mean
on
every
single
side
of
that
thing.
Oh
sure,.
A
All
right
so
we're
going
to
discuss
that
bill
also
put
that
on
the
agenda
for
the
next
meeting.
G
A
F
Yeah
did
I
this
was
not
in
reference
to
that
specific
item.
I've
got
something
else
I
wanted
to
bring
before
the
agency.
Sure
chandra,
I
don't
know
if
you
can
put
it
up
on
the
screen.
The
pages
that
I
gave
you
the
other
day,
but
back
in
october
I
met
with
bill
in
public
works.
F
The
direct
excuse
me
the
city
engineer,
and
we
went
over
the
outstanding
south
beach
projects,
the
ones
that
have
been
approved
by
the
original
plan
for
south
beach
and
the
list
that
you
see
in
front
of
you
there's
roughly
two
pages
of
it.
But
the
list
that
you
see
in
front
of
you
is
what
the
city
engineer
put
together
to
identify
what
remaining
projects
are
still
out
there
in
reference
to
south
beach
and
of
that
there's
a
total
of
roughly
19
million
dollars
worth
of
projects
still
outstanding.
F
That
need
to
be
completed
right
now.
F
In
the
capital
improvement
plan
from
fiscal
year
2021
to
2025,
it's
only
accounted
for
of
a
roughly
14.3
million
dollars,
so
there's
still
a
fair
amount
of
work
that
needs
to
be
done
down
in
the
south
beach
district
and
I'm
not
sure
I
understand
all
of
the
numbers
just
yet
and
I
will
try
to
get
with
with
ashley
and
try
to
make
and
make
sure
that
I
understand
how
these
numbers
are
flowing.
But
right
now
there
seems
to
be.
F
You
know:
a
shortfall
over
the
next
five
fiscal
years
of
roughly
five
million
dollars
for
the
work
that
still
needs
to
be
done
down
in
the
south
speech
district,
and
that
does
not
include
any
additional
items
that
I
had
brought
up
in
my
list
back
in
february,
which
I
know
are
not
part
of
the
plan,
but
would
need
additional
approvals
in
order
to
move
forward
on
those.
But
we
still
have
a
fair
amount
of
work
to
do.
F
I
just
wanted
to
kind
of
update
the
the
board
members
in
reference
to
south
beach
and,
as
I
get
more
information
I'll
continue
to
pass
it
on.
C
That's
a
good
point
gary,
and
that's
also
when
we
talked
about
the
cra
wanting
to
be
more
actively
involved
in
the
budget
process
in
january
and
february.
That's
the
time
not
well
the
downtown's
a
little
more
prescriptive,
because
we've
got
the
huge,
the
huge
infrastructure
outlay,
but
that's
the
kind
of
discussion
we
can
have.
I'm
envisioning,
maybe
at
the
january
meeting
about
getting
some
of
those
projects
online,
like
the
disposition
of
the
cra
property.
C
At
you
know
the
southwest
corner
jacks
drive
the
city,
lots
just
north
of
that
that
type
of
thing
so
yeah,
that's
part
of
the.
I
I
envision
that
as
part
of
the
budget
discussion,
the
cra
has,
with
my
successor,
the
program
manager
and
finance
at
the
beginning
of
the
year
at
the
kickoff
of
the
budget
process
for
next
year.
F
Right
now,
I
I
appreciate
that
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
you
know
I
understand
how
the
numbers
are
flowing,
because
that,
at
this
time
it's
coming
out
of
different
documents
and
I'm
not
sure
I've
got
all
of
the
information
in
front
of
me
to
fully
follow
everything.
So
you
know
to
get
to
a
starting
point.
It
would
be
good
to
get
ashley's
input.
A
A
C
A
And
can
you
can
you
get
these
two
sheets
of
papers
to
us
and
make
sure
ashley
has
these
things
and
so
she's
reviewed
these
things?
So
she
can
give
us
an
informed
opinion
on
why
we're
not
why
we
would
not
just
charge
forward
and
knock
out
all
19
million
dollars
of
this
stuff
before
we
start
giving
half
of
it
back
to
the
jacksonville.
C
F
C
F
Understood
before
I
met
with
you
and
the
city
engineer
that
the
city
engineer
yourself
and
ashley
had
sat
down
and
reviewed,
this
list
and
kind
of
you
know
confirmed
that
these
are
all
remaining
items
right.
C
Oh
yes,
sir
yeah
we're
not
having
after
the
last
meeting
we
had
on
this
project.
Yes,
sir
there's
I
don't,
I
don't
think,
there's
any
ambiguity
about
the
these
are
projects
that
are
remaining
valid
cra
projects.
The
last
vetting
of
that
list
took
some
of
the
some
of
the
projects
that,
for
instance,
that
the
city-wide
sewer
and
storm
water
and
water
master
plans
the
cra,
that's
something
the
city
does
anyway,
it's
not
it's
not
appropriate
for
the
cra
to
be
putting
in
a
geographically
proportionate
share
of
that
funding,
because
that's
city
work
anyway.
B
B
A
Is
great
information
gary?
This
is
great
information
and
bill's
going
to
make
sure
that
ashley's
there
to
speak
specifically
to
this.
A
Something
just
happened
to
my
computer
hold
on
a
second
bill's,
going
to
make
sure
that
she's
there
to
speak
specifically
to
this.
Yes,
sir,
and
and
we
can
go
from
there,
you
know
we
don't
need
to
keep
second
guessing.
We
can
go
and
get
first
hand
from
both
her
and
from
the
city
manager,
while
they
want
to
do
something
different
and
we
can
make
that
discussion
and
my
understanding
is
it's
still
our
decision,
so
we
can
make
an
informed,
intelligent
decision
at
that
point.
Jim
did
you
have
your
hand
up
just
to
ask.
A
C
F
One
of
the
things
I
would
just
caution
everybody
about
is
that
the
numbers
that
you
see
here
are
numbers
that
were
prorated
from
2010
to
2020,
so
they're,
not
they're,
maybe
ballpark
guesses.
My
guess
is
that
they're,
probably
higher
than
what
we're
seeing
as
a
total
number,
but
that's
something
we'll
ultimately
have
to
get
our
arms
around.
A
All
right
anything
else.
A
B
B
C
1818
second
stream-
and
I.
B
Was
interested
in
the
horn
court
property,
it
sounds
like
you
guys
are
willing
to
sell
it.
So
that's
great
news
for
me
and
hopefully
we
move
forward
with
the
bidding
process.
That's
it.
B
A
Sorry,
I
was
muted
pete,
I
don't
know
if
you
heard
us
earlier,
but
bill
man
said
the
process
is
next
for
both
him
to
sit
down
the
city
manager,
just
to
make
sure
that
the
city
manager
and
or
city
council
didn't
have
any
long-term
plans
for
that
piece
of
property
and
then
from
there
we
figure
out
how
to
dispose
of
it.
So
we
will
definitely
let
you
know.
A
We
have
your
information
on
how
we,
however,
we
choose
to
move
forward,
we'll
inform
you
we'll
probably
make
it
hope
I'll
make
that
decision
our
next
meeting
in
december
and
then
we'll
go
from
there.
Okay,
that.
A
B
C
No,
sir,
that's
why
we
did
it
on
a
wednesday
night.
This
is
just
happening.
Our
board
of
adjustment
needs
the
legal
training
from
our
city
attorney,
so
it
was
a.
It
was
a
fairly
crucial
meeting
in
my
mind,
they
had
a
meeting
last
night
and
they
were
all
willing
to
come
back
tonight
for
a
training
session.
So
I
I
think
we
were
appropriately
bumped
and
I
apologize
for
the
confusion,
but.
A
That
that's
quite
all
right,
so
we
are
planning
on
meeting
on
the
eight
once
again,
18.
A
All
right,
you
guys
all
be
safe
and
we're
adjourned
happy.