City of Jacksonville Beach Community Redevelopment Agency (CRA), 28 Jun 2021

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A

um What's going to be the desire, we don't have the professional expertise and I don't I'm not aware that the city has a landscape architect in the employee. So maybe we explore getting a consultant landscape architect that we could say hey come up with a couple ideas for this space or that um you know ideas. I think a couple places jim and I talked about- were the big beach boulevard medium. I know it needs to be cleaned up and stuff, but it's a dated um design right now and there's stuff you could do with that.

A

Did a landscape architect design for that. Similarly, in front of the pure parking lot, if we move the trash container, we've got this long. Two block long stretch right now: it's just sand. Is there interesting things that we could do with it? Well, yeah. I think there is and seen it in other cities, but who comes up with those designs, so I would like to suggest that we explore some professional landscape architecture in connection with any you know: the maintenance and beautification and incentive plans and facade and all that stuff. So that's.

B

Well, you have a trevor that makes up plant names all the time I mean he can probably do.

C

That um francis, I just want to make sure I understand, so, are you suggesting possibly that if we implement some kind of incentive platform that we offer to pay for uh conceptual ideas for those businesses, if they, if you know.

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A

That what you're kind of suggesting.

C

A

Could be part of it, but I would think there's the it would be a little broader than that for the landscape architect, because there's others um on property too that that lot. You know that we're going to do something either permanent or temporary, with or while we're deciding. Well, how do you make that look neat cheaply quickly? Isn't.

C

That what we were doing with dicks heights can we utilize them for those services since they're already contracted with the city are.

A

They I don't know that they're couldn't, if they are, they.

C

Are they do have landscapes.

A

Since they're already in our.

C

Bucket of I guess advisors, I guess you could say I would be fine with doing special services for special projects that we could push through. I would be fine with that. I just think that we need to make sure that when we do our budget, which we should be making sure we add to because we can add more money to that bucket utilize professional services and maybe those drawings don't go to 25 000. So we don't have to go to city to get all businesses approved.

C

So we as a board should make sure that we get with the city to add more money to that bucket. If we choose to go that route, so we can just push things through because as long as those drawings don't go over 25 000, we can move forward those projects. If we choose to do so, yeah.

A

If they stay excited and they have the expertise, that's fine. I just think we should have someone when we have an idea that they can either react to it or come up with some thoughts on it and because I don't think we you know. I know public works is um great people and stuff like that. But I don't know that they're into the design, um landscape, design.

A

So I I think we do need the professional help on that.

C

If I may, real quick, jim.

D

C

If, since we have dick's heights on retainer, I guess- or we already have them in our bucket for professionals and if we said increase our budget, do you know based off this review from shefford? If we went ahead and went forward with adding money to our budget, and we did do incentive plans or even specific areas that we want to beautify in conjunction with the dick's heights planning.

D

Could we move forward without having to go through council in the last 25 000.

B

We have plenty of money set aside as it is for professional services, so we don't have to go to the city council and we already have contracts with dick's height. So if we wanted to do something, let's do it yeah I mean, but right now we've got two more items left to do. We got 20 minutes left hard, stop how this question is. Are we okay to move forward the survey? Yes.

D

Here just one thing: I want to make sure that, as we do, the survey heather there's been a lot of conversation about surveying the businesses that are existing.

D

What we also need to do is somehow- and I think you've mentioned it- have a survey that touches um other incentives that are appropriate for businesses that are outside of jacksonville beach. You know, what's going to entice them to come here, some kind of tax incentives, whatever it may be, it's a little bit different than just surveying the local folks, you know so there's almost two parts to this survey is the way I see it and I assume you're going to be heading in that direction.

B

Thank you. Do we have conversations with the people downtown with the I.

B

Because I'm sure they have people come through their doors all the time, and you know maybe something that doesn't work for downtown. They very well work in our downtown area.

D

I communicate with the ceo of the dia daily and she will be more than willing to provide.

B

Assistance yeah, I mean just just plan because you know just so. She knows you know, there's maybe nothing that she can do with it, but she can hand them off to us. Okay, then, answer your question.

B

Mr gilmore, I apologize we're going to jump to item d, we'll come back to see. If we have time. Mr john, I would say I'll see it just.

D

Real quick is that all the work that you've done on south end and all the work that was up on the board is what we're taking and putting it into a sheet already, because we have that to come back to you for discussion, so we're on top of that, because that's one good piece of work. That's done! That's awesome!

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I think that's gary, that's your stuff.

D

I saw that on the agenda, I'm not sure um exactly what you want me to address here. I did pass out at the workshop. You know my first pass at um maintenance and temporary fence requirements for construction sites, and uh this was based on some research that I did for from other municipalities.

D

I also spent some time with public works and with the uh chief building official and uh just confirmed with him that there is no real um ordinance or regulations as it relates to construction, fencing, there's nothing that would that the chief building official can do in the way of construction, fencing other than some osha requirements for safety.

D

I'm sorry, no there's no, uh no real provisions other than some ultra provisions that uh have requirements for construction, fencing that he would be able to enforce public works. He directed me to public works. I went over and talked with uh with them and there's nothing that they have either other than going and talking to the landowner and seeing if they'll help, and you know improving what they've got up. So what I put in point of view is how far I've taken it.

D

I think it needs further input thought, um but I did what you asked me to do and then that's kind of where I'm at at this point well.

B

First of all, thank you. I I thought you. You definitely put some work into this um heather. I guess you'd be the person. I need to talk to there's two things on here that for the most part most of this it was h, and I that caught my attention, but those are just you know- everybody has their own opinion about city logos, everybody's had general opinions about um murals and that kind of stuff.

B

But what's the current city law when it comes to construction, fencing and when somebody builds a product like a project like the two or three things we have going on right now,.

E

We don't have anything in our code, but I think we do have a section in the land development code that addresses fencing, um so that would be a location. Thank you that we have an opportunity to perhaps amend that section of our land development code to specifically address construction, fencing in the downtown cra.

E

If that is the direction of council.

B

So when the pier restoration went in and they put the fence up, they did that because they wanted to do it, they did it because their insurance company made them do it or they didn't, because the city of jacksonville.

E

So in that particular on that property, I.

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E

It was installed because they were in the middle of doing their demo and they didn't do it. You know in one day, so there was construction debris and it was a dangerous environment that they didn't want people to have access to, but.

D

We don't necessarily.

E

Require construction, fencing on every single project so but.

D

It's something that if we changed our code.

E

I believe we could, we could do to some extent through.

C

The land development.

E

Code in our in.

B

E

Of the code that already addresses fencing, that would be one.

B

So you say you don't require it on all construction properties, I mean, is it when it gets to a certain size? I mean, for example, where am I at uh camping, where they're redoing, that did we require that fencing up there or.

E

Is that just something they did.

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E

My knowledge, no it's just something that they did to secure the site and.

D

You'll typically see it up. There.

E

But you know again.

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E

My understanding of what you guys are looking for is some consistency, so, whether it's everybody uses the same color, blue or as a specific, you know, beach, themed.

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It something of that nature. We don't really have any mechanism right now to do that to say you have.

D

To put it up, and it.

E

Has to look like you know, maybe there's options or something like that. um There really is no mechanism for us to do that right now we don't have a mechanism.

B

Because, legally we can't do it or we don't have to mechanism, because we just don't have enough code right now.

E

I mean both, we can't require it, and if we, if we did, there's no nothing, that would say okay, we require you to have it, and it has to look like this there's limits on the fence materials that we kept the barbed wire up, for example, and it can't be over a certain height and that's pretty much all we have our fence code is pretty light, but.

B

If we wanted to put in the code, we could.

E

It's yeah. That would be probably the cleanest way to do. It is to amend that section of the code and just make something specific to the downtown area and construction. Fencing.

B

Do you see a need to amend the code.

E

If it's something that you guys really wanted to see again, if you have a desire for staff to look into that more as far as what that might look like, we could take that to city council as part of our update to them that you guys are interested in investigating that more and having you know having some more conversations about what that might look like and if they wanted to.

B

E

Us to change that section of the code. We could proceed with that. I mean and.

B

I'm just looking for myself on the board as a whole.

B

I don't know enough to where the threshold is, where you want to see a construction fencing where you don't want to see a construction fence, but I agree with gary and some of the others that once you get to that point, I think it should look pretty uniform.

B

Did you read through? Did you get a chance to see this? I did not drink through the whole thing. No, I apologize.

B

I haven't gotten that far did anybody else frank's at anybody else read through this and have any other comments. For instance, up first.

C

Okay, so I have a couple things um first question before I start anything on this document, um so we understand that if we put this in place that it would have to be enforced, so we'd have that code enforcer. I know in the past we had one code and burster for the whole entire city, and then we were having cops occasionally helping with certain things.

C

um We increased our code enforcement staff, yes, sort.

E

Of so we have one of our inspectors: that's working on what we call the weekend warrior program, so he goes out on the weekends eight hours, splits it up between saturday and sunday and goes out and basically looks for code enforcement violations because, to be honest, a lot of them are happening on the weekends because they know we're not out there. Well we're.

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E

So we do have that extra level of assistance with code enforcement, um but it's just right now on the weekends. So.

C

That's the half person I've remembered you've heard about.

D

Yeah, it's not really a half person, it's not a little extra day, but because I haven't heard of it.

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C

One and a half like how do you have half a person.

E

Half a person.

C

That's worth of work on the weekends: okay, that's why so we! So we. If we do implement this, we need to understand that we either need to support more eyes somehow or we need to ask the city manager how he wants to address that because we are adding more work.

C

I do, however, agree something should be done so on that parent is making comments, because I think in our last workshop, when this was given to us, she recommended that we look at certain interviews, tell us like an offense and then we just look at other stuff and see what we would add to it. So I don't know how it would formally written up, but look like the thing we're giving city council now, but how you guys would do it, but there's a couple things I had questions on.

C

Maybe we could discuss more so number, two a and it talked about it being chain blink fence with the color green. um I think that that color green sticky, especially for the beach, that's beside it, it's multiple I didn't know if we could maybe let like. I don't know what this chains will always be available. I really didn't like the wood idea. I think it's kind of nice. I think it's almost too permanent.

C

My problem with the chain link fence is that we're also saying in bullet point d, that they can't use sandbags to keep them there.

C

So I just don't know how those boats can be how they can work together if it's a temporary chain fence, but yet you can't secure it with bags or something like how do they are. They have to actually dig holes and make them a permanent fence or not like. I didn't understand how a and d would work, so maybe we can hash that out. I understand that the bags don't work really well, because during the last storm in that corner, you're talking about art defense fell down.

C

I thought that was great to mention that they didn't work. I just don't know what the solution to a chain would fence on its own not being permanently installed, how it would be held up. I just don't know what that solution to that is, and then the only other thing I would recommend, maybe possibly changing or even expanding on, is number two g. It says ten days after hurricanes ended.

C

I think that we might want to add something about our maybe change the warning to where it was 10 days after the city has reopened, because when we've had big storms here in the past, I know that this is saying. Remove it before the summer comes because we all know what we know is coming so obviously taking it down shouldn't be a big issue but they're returning. It there's been times when we couldn't even get back into the beaches until a week later.

C

So I think a baby should work when the city is officially opened again versus just 10 days from the storm reading, and then I agree that there should be no advertising on it. um I just don't know if part of our incentive platform could be utilized for the fencing um shade. I don't know if that's more important shape if it's, where, if they're going to here by these rules, even though they're required that maybe cra would help make that shield, we would provide said shield if they need certain standards.

C

They want to have the picture on it. If they want to have that's something we should maybe consider, maybe in here as well, um but other than that, I thought the work was great for it. I I I'm 100 odd, for it. I think, if you make a couple is like like dig into a couple of those points for me specifically, I don't know what the next step would be to give to city council to to vote on as well.

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Okay, I was just going to and francis hurry, I guess, has expressed her opinion but asked what people thought of the fighter's landing construction fence, because, as you drive by it, looks pretty cool, they put it up in a day and it's not very expensive wood um and.

C

It doesn't have to be that ugly, green, you don't like, or whatever.

C

So the problem with with that here it gives a lot of concrete and there's not a lot. I mean yeah, there's some dirt, but there's a lot where that would go or the sidewalks would go so they would have to put the fence in like buckets. But then you made the comment about.

A

Without sandbags or those weights, some of the material um where they'd have to drill into our pavement.

C

That's why I think we could figure out a and d and kind of really wrap our heads about what's available or someone out there can tell us what's available in that industry, so we can then fine-tune a variety of options that would fit that parameter. Then I think that would be good and.

A

Then just the final thing, this talks about screening all along the fence. Well, I know that lot. Defense is blown down four times.

A

Solution is to take out screening for about 20 yards on each side, and then it doesn't blow up. So I guess you'd have to make allowance for obviously when win gaps and things like that, but I of the um yeah. So I guess that's it.

B

Well, this is not going to be any kind of form to pass on the city council.

B

By the end of this meeting I mean this is just us touching up again and we'll probably send it back with staff, so they can look at it and give it once over and then we'll talk about it, one or two more times before we do anything with it, but this was just a step in the right direction, kind of adding out to where gary brought us to david.

B

So I really appreciate the thought of wanting to do this and.

D

Why we're talking about it, but I feel like it should be handled by city council, because we could be unintendedly pushing construction out of downtown by adding more. You know, regulation on the fence that the rest of the city doesn't have so I kind of feel like the whole. The whole city should about that. Not just the downtown cra, because the nice defenses are going to cost more and then that's going to factor into their judgment of their location. So that's just.

B

E

um Steps have some notes, if you don't mind, we're just kind of talking about moving forward. um Do you want me to answer any more questions about the fencing or.

B

No, I just I didn't know where we currently were, and I figured most of my board didn't know. We currently were right, and so I just wanted to hear what that was, and um this is so. This is a concept that came up a year ago two years ago and, and it came up a couple of times and we kind of assigned it to gary, say: okay well, rather bring it up all the time.

B

um But it makes sense to uh have some kind of uniformity, uniform uniformity out there, um but I didn't know what the criteria was for actually having it and we're only afraid to fix it right now. But if you can just look this over and maybe look at what some of the other cities are doing and come back with recommendations next time.

E

Sure- and I think, an appropriate path forward for you guys is similar to what we did with the extension of the bike lane um to all the way to 8000 and north is drafting a resolution to council explaining what your intention is with construction, fencing- and I agree with you um in regards to, if you're going to do it, maybe do it citywide. So it's something again. We could get your direction on what you are looking for. If you draft.

C

B

Up as a resolution.

E

Like you did for the bike lanes and take it to council in one of our briefings to say this is what the cra is. You know their intent, but they're.

B

E

In maybe moving.

B

Forward with and then.

E

See what their their ideas on it are, but I.

B

Think what we want well, I think what I want before we do. That is your professional opinion on this and maybe even reaching out to public works and see what their input is on this stuff, because you guys do this stuff day in and day out and all we do is look at it.

E

Right, we can certainly provide some more details for you and look what some best practices might be for other cities, and we can look at what, if other cra districts have similar type of rules. Okay, that might fit what you guys are looking for. Okay, francis.

C

C

It makes complete sense, so I wouldn't mind if we come up with this work and if we present it to the city more as uh we'd like to go this route we'd like to do this or we'd like you to present your code, so we can enforce it. I think we put that in our wording to them saying we're proposing this and either accept it or tell us what you want us to do.

C

I kind of feel like that would be a good solution that we're still moving forward with what we'd like to see, and it would be up to the city council to decide to dock it for themselves city-wide for them just to adopt it for us our room. So you know what we have our own do this so that way we're opening the door but we're saying we've. Given you an idea, now tell us what you want. I think that would be another way of going about it, so I would be on board with that.

B

A

Jeff, this new business sure yeah. um I had two constituents since the last meeting approached me with the same idea and I'm just going to pass it along because they asked me to without recommendation, but apparently the other beach communities haven't recently installed or have doggy poop stations all around and um we don't- and there was a suggestion that those be put in. I seem to recall that the sea turtle people have an issue with those, but if the other beaches, cities have put them in, maybe not, but they just uh passed that.

C

Along that's my duty, I also got one about the recycling, the big gigantic bottles that did for recycling store recycling, because we don't have recycling bins. We've gotten a lot of requests on that as well for our area to have big recycling bottles part of our trash stuff as well.

B

All right, um courtesy of florida, visitor, mr mirage, sir, you have three minutes before we have to get out of here.

F

All right um ken marge, 2011 gale avenue um got a rhetorical question and that is: are you guys clear about what council expects out of you in 2021.

F

The answer is you shouldn't be because, after the last joint meeting there was a conversation about disbanding you guys and myself, along with many of you all, were very concerned about that statement.

F

I reached out to a couple of council people in the mayor, and I wanted to give apart to see if there was clarity about what your expectations are for 2021.

F

I didn't get to meet with art, we kind of missed each other, but clearly in those discussions it was complete consensus. The council isn't sure what they expect out of you and you aren't sure of what you're supposed to deliver to them.

F

I spent 36 years in corporate america as a manager and director, and I got to tell you it would be unfair to my people to be critical of them or to praise them if they didn't know what their job was, and you guys don't know what it is you're supposed to deliver to council in 2021. The only thing you know for sure is the south end capital improvement.

F

I know you're working on a lot of good stuff. The question is at the right stuff and in this next joint meeting I would encourage this group to say what are the deliverables that council wants from you in order to be successful.

F

I hope that, though, taking the 182 page shepherd document and making that a useful usable document is one of them, but if the, if that's it, if you get division plan done and you get the south end plan done, this council think you guys are successful and that's important, because, if not they're going to disband you guys, okay and they're gonna say you didn't, do your job and then everybody's gonna say well. What was my job I gave you? I gave you bike racks.

F

I gave you seating, but that's is that your job is that the right stuff? The council, wants you to work on. So I would encourage you in this next joint meeting that you all sit down and just ask that question. What is it that they want? The next thing has to do with this plan. Okay, because I thought you were starting to hit on it when you talked about nathan park, plaza and the seeding, and then we said, look let's table that until we decide what we've.

F

What is part of the plan gary's been talking about, you don't have a plan. Well, if you know what's in that 182 page document, that would be amazing to me, but we're talking about incentives and we're talking about seeding, we're talking about landscaping and that's kind of bottom structure that builds to the plant. What are you building towards it's kind of like if you're going to build a house? The architecture architect gives you a picture of the house. It sets the expectations.

F

This is what you're going to look like and then you buy a door and you buy a window and it all forms into the house. You guys are talking about the door and windows and you're not talking about the house. You got to talk about that. You got to say here's the unified plan that you guys are working towards and those are the set incentives that you can build towards, and that includes parking.

F

It includes that garage, it may include a residential village or the latham park, plaza retail center there, but all of that has to get weeded out here and I just struggle when we have these conversations that seem to be ad hoc and not talk about the plan. Thank you.

B

Thank you, sir, if nothing else, who's going to be whatever we're adjourned that was safe. My friends.