►
Description
No description was provided for this meeting.
If this is YOUR meeting, an easy way to fix this is to add a description to your video, wherever mtngs.io found it (probably YouTube).
A
B
A
This
is
everybody
the
city
manager
will
tune
in
at
some
point,
I'm
not
sure
who
the
phone
number
is
at
the
bottom.
That's
our
all
right!
Oh
that's!
You're
tuning
in
by
okay,
the
only
ground
rule
is,
we
do
not
have
automatic
control
over
the
muting
and
unmuting,
so
the
training
session
is
brought
up
is
broken
up
into
two
major
portions
and
I'm
not
trying
to
steal
jim's
thunder.
I'm
gonna
give
it
to
him,
but
I'm
relying
on
everybody
to
stay
on
voluntary
self-control,
muting
and
we've.
C
Thank
you.
Everyone
has
seen
the
agenda
and
we've
got
two
hours
the
first
hour
we
will
hear
from
cliff
and
we'll
hear
from
chris
as
well
to
talk
about
chapter
163
and
the
bylaws
and
in
the
second
part,
will
be
the
budget
process
and
what
we,
hopefully,
we
will
all
learn.
The
first
hour
will
help
guide
the
discussion
based
on
how
the
budget
process
currently
works
and
then
discuss
ways
and
means
to
potentially
improve
the
process
and
work
on
our
communication
structure.
C
So
with
that,
I
would
like
to
go
ahead
and
introduce
cliff
cliff.
I
assume
you
will
screen
share.
We
have
prepared
for
everyone,
some
really
really
good
power
points
for
us
to
examine
and
and
as
we
go
through
the
presentation.
I
would
also
like
to
say
that
when
you
we
want
to
keep
to
a
good
time
frame
on
this,
but
we
want
to
get
everyone's
questions
answered
as
well.
C
If
we
get
at
five
o'clock
and
we
still
got
a
long
ways
to
go,
if
it's
a
long
ways
to
go,
then
we
will
potentially
reschedule
it
to
talk
about
specific
topics
if
it's
a
short
way
to
go,
we're
likely
to
keep
going
sam.
I
understand
you've
got
a
hard
stop
at
five
o'clock,
so
we're
going
to
respect
all
of
that
and
keep
it
going
as
bill
said
just
a
minute
ago.
C
If
you
want
to
speak,
you
use
your
raise
your
hand,
you
can
do
it
this
way
or
you
can
do
it
with
the
the
items
that
are
on
the
are
on
that
zoom
screen
as
well.
So
with
that,
I
would
like
to
introduce
cliff
everyone
knows
cliff,
and
he
is
one
of
the
leading
experts
in
our
state
on
163
that
can
guide
us
about
what
it
says
and
and
what
it
means.
C
What
we
can
do
and
can't
do,
and
then
we'll
come
back
to
chris
and
as
well
as
to
cliff
as
well
to
talk
about
the
bylaws
which
it's
interesting
enough.
I
was
going
to
ask
bill
for
that
and,
as
usual
bill
was
one
step
ahead
of
me.
He
said
here
it
is,
and
I
said,
let's
take
a
look
at
it.
So
that's
important
for
us
all
to
know
as
well.
Cliff
you're
right.
D
A
D
All
right,
well,
obviously,
the
cover
side
is
probably
the
most
important
thing,
because
it
has
my
firm
logo
up
there,
but
I
think
we
can
go
to
the
next.
D
D
There
we
go
so
we
have
an
agenda,
and
I
don't
know
if
a
hard
copy
of
the
or
or
a
pdf
copy
of
the
presentation
has
been
provided
to
the
members.
But
if
not,
we
can
certainly
make
that
happen.
The
agenda
today
is
to
cover
things
that
are
generally
considered
pretty
basic.
However,
if
you
haven't
heard
them
before,
they
may
be
news
to
you
or
they
may
disabuse,
you
have
some
notions
about
how
your
cra
works
as
opposed
to
how
it's
supposed
to
work
either
way.
I
hope
we
can
accomplish
something
here
today.
D
That's
helpful
we're
going
to
try
to
cover
why
what
cras
are
and
why
yours
specifically
were
created
what
is
and
isn't
redevelopment,
how
does
redevelopment
work?
What
are
some
best
practices
for
yours,
budgets
and
accounting,
and
also
what
success
looks
like
those
are
kind
of
important
things
and
so
we'll
kind
of
cover
each
one
I've
told
jim
james.
I
would
stick
to
my
40
minutes
or
45
minutes,
something
like
that
and
and
and
get
through
it
all
so
next
slide.
D
D
Well,
there
we
go
okay,
so
what
is
statutory
redevelopment?
Statutory
development
is
any
activity
that
is
authorized
under
chapter
163,
part
three,
which
is
the
redevelopment
statute.
I'm
sure
you've
heard
of
it.
The
objectives
are
set
forth
in
a
publicly
customized
plan,
an
approved
plan
funded
by
the
increase
in
assessed
property
tax
values
over
time,
which
is
called
text
and
groups
go
to
the
next
one.
D
Okay,
the
goal
is
to
prevent
slum
or
blight,
and
that's
going
to
become
important
later
we're
going
to
come
through
the
definitions
of
those,
but
I
want
to
talk
for
just
a
second
a
little
longer
about
tax
increment.
D
I
assume
everybody
on
the
call
understands
what
that
is,
but
because
I
want
to
be
sure
it
is
the
difference
between
the
value
of
the
property,
that's
in
each
cra
area
today
and
what
it
was
when
the
base
year
was
established,
there's
a
later
site
that
shows
you
the
base
years
for
your
two
districts
next
slide.
Please.
C
A
D
Don't
know,
let
me
pick
up
with
an
example
and
just
make
sure
it's
real
clear,
let's
suppose
back
in
87.
I
think
that
was
one
of
the
base
years
in
87,
the
taxable
value
of
that
specific
area,
as
in
the
boundaries
of
that
area
was
a
million
dollars
and
in
88
it
had
gone
up
to
a
million
and
25
thousand
dollars.
The
difference
between
those
two
is
your
tax
increment
and
of
that
increment,
the
25
000
additional
between
87
and
88.
D
Your
agency
would
get
95
of
that
per
the
statute,
and
since
you
were
established
before
counties,
specific
charter
counties
began
requiring
inter-local
agreements
and
would
slash
into
that
number
substantially.
You
guys
are
on
the
good
end
of
the
of
the
95
curve.
I
have
some
cras
that
get
50
so
you're
you
as
an
early
adapter
of
cras.
You
were
in
the
best
position
to
get
the
full
95.
D
D
In
fact,
maybe
even
some
of
your
city
council
members
have
ideas
about
what's:
okay,
to
spend
the
money
on,
but
in
the
big
picture
and
there's
a
there's,
a
micro
picture
as
well,
but
in
the
big
picture
it's
about
elimination
or
prevention
of
slum
and
blight,
and
if
it's
not
doing
those
things,
then
it
is
not
accomplishing
the
goals
of
the
redevelopment
act.
Do
we
have
chandra
back
now.
D
All
right:
well,
I
I
just
if
I
could
change
the
slide.
I
would,
but
I
can't
so.
D
There
we
go
okay,
so
we're
not
going
to
spend,
but
a
second
or
two
on
this
slide.
This
is
the
statutory
definition
of
slum,
so
whatever
you
thought
it
might
be,
this
is
what
it
actually
is
and
the
reason
we're
not
spending
time
on.
It
is
because
neither
of
your
cras
are
based
on
slum.
They
are
based
on
findings
of
blight.
So
would
you
go
to
the
next
slide?
Please.
C
F
D
There
we
go
so
what
is
blight
blight
is
what
both
of
your
cras
and
their
findings
were
based
on,
and
it
means
an
area
in
which
there
are
substantial
number
of
deteriorated
or
deteriorating
structures
in
which
conditions,
as
indicated
by
government,
maintain
statistics
and
other
studies
endanger
life
or
property,
or
are
leading
to
economic
distress
plus
two
or
more
conditions
that
are
listed
in
163
340,
eight
a
through
through
o,
I
had
asked-
and
I
don't
know
if
it's
happened,
but
I'd
ask
that
each
member
be
provided
a
copy
of
163
340..
A
D
Always
there
back
when
your
cr
cra
were
created,
there
were
only
four
or
five
items
that
constituted
blight,
and
now
we
go
all
the
way
from
a
to
o,
but
all
you
have
to
have
is
at
least
two
of
those
and
you
have
a
finding
depending
on
which
which
agency
or
which
area
we're
talking
about
of
either
three
or
four,
and
so
I'm
going
to
talk
about
those
in
just
a
second
next
slide.
Please.
D
So
your
cras
are
based
on
blight.
You
have
a
downtown
and
a
south
ncra
and
both
of
them
start
out
with
the
pronouncement.
There
are
substantial
number
of
deteriorated
or
deteriorating
structures,
and-
and
these
are
the
these
next
three
are
common
to
both
cras.
According
to
your
findings,
which
I
have
copies
of,
one
is
the
predominance
of
defective
or
inadequate
street
layout
parking
facilities,
roadways,
bridges
or
public
transportation
facilities.
D
A
second
is
faulty
lot,
layouts
in
relation
to
size,
adequacy,
accessibility
or
usefulness.
A
third
is
diversity
of
ownership
or
defective
or
unusual
conditions
of
title
which
prevent
the
free,
alien
ability,
alienabil
alienability
of
land
within
the
deteriorated
or
hazardous
area,
and
in
the
downtown
cra
only
they
added
un
unsanitary
or
unsafe
conditions.
Now,
why
am
I
pointing
this
out
to
you?
It's
because
if
you
don't
know
what
it
is
you're
trying
to
fix,
you
don't
know
how
to
go
about
fixing
it.
D
So
what
are
the
reasons
for
redevelopment?
Why
did
the
legislature
back
in
1969
think
that
these
things
would
be
would
be
a
good
idea,
because
the
elimination
of
summon
black
can
be
done?
They
found
through
a
number
of
things,
economic
development,
business
retention,
meaning
businesses
don't
run
away,
crime
reduction
or
prevention,
streetscapes,
meaning
streets
that
are
more
attractive,
maybe
they'll
be
bricklined.
Maybe
they
have
better
street
lighting,
you
name
it.
D
Affordable
housing
in
the
area,
historic
preservation,
buildings
that
should
be
preserved
can
be
clean
and
safe
places
to
be
so
that
people
want
to
actually
spend
time
in
the
downtown
area,
storm
water
management.
That
can
be
a
big
problem
in
certain
areas.
I
think
it
might
be
a
problem
in
in
your
area
as
well
additional
parks
and
recreation
and
finding
sustainable
reuse
in
urban
infill.
Now
that
last
one
that
urban
infill
thing
is
a
big
deal,
because
what
we
are
trying
to
avoid
with
redevelopment
is
continual
spread.
D
You
know
you've
heard
of
urban
sprawl
and
the
further
away
you
get
from
the
city's
core,
the
more
it
costs
to
bring
services
to
you
and
the
bigger
and
more
brawny
your
citizens,
your
city,
gets
and,
and
certainly
recently
like
in
the
last
five
years,
there's
been
a
real
push
and
and
a
growing
popularity
of
urban
infill
tech
development.
D
D
D
So
what
what
is
redevelopment?
Well,
it
encourages
government
to
invest
public
funds
in
that,
in
the
form
of
the
tif
revenues,
with
private
enterprise
to
ultimately
bring
an
area
back
to
life
and
there's
a
number
of
ways
to
do
that.
Incentives
and
other
things
we'll
talk
about
the
money
is
locally
generated,
and
this
is
really
important
if
all
of
you
understand
it.
D
D
If
you
will
more
neighborhood
friendly
and
more
pleasant
to
be
around
that's
the
idea,
so
anybody
who
tells
you
that
they
hate
cras
and
politicians
do
it
all
the
time
because
they
think
it's
stealing
money
either
they
don't
get
it
or
they're
with
the
county
and
think
they
should
have
the
money
back,
but
either
way
what
they're
doing
is
they're
saying
to
you.
We
need
to
be
able
to
take
the
money
from
your
property
and
spend
it
somewhere
else
where
we
want
to.
Instead
of
you,
get
to
spend
it
on
the
property
it
came
from.
D
So
there's
a
lot
of
things
I
feel
strongly
about.
This
is
one
I
feel
really
strongly
about
and
it's
important
they
understand
it.
It
is
your
money
being
used
to
support
you
and
your
citizens.
D
Now
diverse
groups
have
different
ideas
on
how
to
use
the
money
and
that,
as
it
says,
here
can
be
a
political
football.
Well,
what
do
I
mean
by
that?
I'll
give
you
an
example.
One
of
the
communities
I
represented
there
were.
There
was
a
substantial
force
in
the
community.
That
said,
we
should
use
this
money
for
job
creation,
but
that
isn't
a
redevelopment
thing,
except
in
the
form
of
bringing
in
businesses
that
will
provide
jobs.
D
That's
a
redevelopment
kind
of
thing
if
you
can
provide
some
incentives
by
form
of
what
they
call
facade
grants
that
redo
the
outside
of
the
buildings,
better
drainage,
sidewalks
street
lighting,
those
kind
of
things
where
business
that
will
want
to
come
to
the
area,
but
not
to
provide
education
to
people
on
how
to
get
a
job.
That's
not
a
redevelopment
thing,
and
so,
but
yet
you
might
be
confronted.
If
you
haven't
already
with
people
who
say
hey,
this
is
a
non-profit.
D
D
So
what
is
not?
What
is
not
okay
for
redevelopment?
First
of
all,
anything
that's
spent
outside
the
plan,
the
area
or
the
budget.
What
do
I
mean
by
that?
Well,
I've
been
asked
before
hey.
We
have
a
trail
system
not
by
your
cra
but
others,
and
it
connects
well
or
we
want
it
to
connect
to
parts
of
the
cra.
But
we
got.
D
We
spend
cra
money
to
connect
the
trail
system.
Well,
if
it's
outside
the
cra,
the
answer
is
no.
You
can
build
a
trail
system
in
the
cra,
but
you're
gonna
have
to
use
general
fund
dollars
to
connect
it
and
that's
an
example.
So
when
you're
spending
planned
dollars
or
tif
dollars,
it
needs
to
be
in
the
plan
in
the
budget
and
in
the
area.
Those
are
the
three
qualifiers.
D
You
cannot
use
imminent
domain
you
used
to
be
able
to,
but
you
can't
anymore
for
redevelopment
purpose,
meaning
you
see
a
piece
of
property
that
you
really
dislike
and
you
really
want
to
get
a
hold
of
it,
so
you
can
turn
it
into
something
better
and
you'll
even
pay
a
good
price
for
it.
The
law
does
not
allow
that
anymore.
There
was
a
case
a
number
of
years
back
called
the
kilo
case.
D
People
got
outraged
because
a
small
business
owner
was
forced,
forced
to
take
a
whole
bunch
of
money
for
their
property
and
didn't
want
to
sell
the
property,
even
though
they
got
paid
substantially
for
it,
and
the
court
said
no.
We
can't
do
that
because
the
government
was
going
to
take
that
property
which
they
considered
blighted
and
turn
it
over
to
a
private
developer,
to
get
a
nicer
project,
and
since
that
created
such
a
firestorm-
and
it
did,
if
you
remember
it-
we
no
longer
use
eminent
domain
free
development.
D
You
can't
use
cra
dollars
for
general
government
line
items,
so
you
can't
say
well
we're
gonna
pay
for
some
extra
police
citywide,
because
that'll
help
the
cra
specifically
not
citywide,
but
for
the
specific
cra
different
story,
we
can
talk
about
that.
D
You
can't
use
it
to
build
new
city
halls
or
public
works
facilities
or
that
sort
of
thing,
even
if
those
things
have
a
downline
benefit
to
the
cra
grants
or
donations
to
non-profits
or
events
that
have
nothing
to
do
with
the
redevelopment
plan.
There's
a
specific
ag
opinion
on
this
that
allows
you
to
use
some
of
your
serious
dollars
to
advertise
events
that
are
taking
place
to
benefit
your
cra,
like
a
festival
and
so
forth,
but
with
a
specific
exception.
D
D
I
know,
for
example,
in
jacks
beach,
you
guys
have
some
employees
that
you
split,
but
those
things
have
to
be
accounted
for
as
you'll
see
in
a
later
slide
by
time,
sheets
and
percentages
of
how
much
work
they're
doing
for
the
cra
versus
how
much
they're
doing
for
the
city
and
if
they're
not
adequately
accounted
for
when
you
get
audited
and
you
are
audited
every
year,
you
will
see
that
that's
a
problem,
the
general
municipal
operations,
as
we've
said,
whether
it's
administrative
staff
or
whatever
for
the
city,
that's
not
for
the
cra,
not
appropriate
normal
maintenance
for
the
city,
not
appropriate,
for
cra
dollars,
planning
through
comprehensive
plan,
paying
consultants
for
that
information,
zoning
or
land
use,
not
appropriate
spending.
D
Spending
of
cra
dollars
next
slide.
D
All
right,
so
these
are
what
we
call
the
abcdef
of
redevelopment
and
why
it's
good
and
it's
kind
of
corny
but
you'll
get
the
picture.
It's
a
wise
investment,
especially
in
tough
economic
times,
which
I
think
was
fair
to
say
we
are
in
in
the
future
of
an
area.
It
breathes
new
life
into
areas
that
need
revitalization.
D
It's
provides
consistency
and
predictability
for
the
private
sector.
Why?
Because
you
have
a
plan
and
as
long
as
you
follow
the
plan,
then
private
development
can
look
at
and
say
hey.
I
can
see
they're
going
to
put
in
wider
sidewalks.
I
can
see
they're
going
to
make
the
stormwater
problem
go
away.
I
can
see
that
if
I
move
my
business
to
that
district,
I
can
use
the
money
from
their
facade
grants
to
put
a
new
out
a
new
facing
on
the
building
and
it'll.
D
Look
a
lot
like
a
lot
nicer
and
I
have
to
pay
for
that
somewhere
else.
So
I
think
I'll
go
do
that
it's
designed
and
created
and
funded
locally,
as
we
discussed
every
dollar
of
the
public
leverages
private
dollars
and
that's
the
idea
you
want
to
take
your
a
million
tax
dollars
and
generate
10
million
dollars
of
redevelopment,
that's
the
idea
or
or
two
or
three
or
four,
but
more
that's
the
idea,
you're
trying
to
attract
development
to
you
by
doing
things
that
development
wants
to
see.
D
So
it
will
come
to
you
and
the
type
of
development,
of
course,
is
going
to
be
controlled
late,
ultimately,
by
those
who
are
sitting
on
your
your
council
regarding
whether
a
zoning
change
is
needed
or
complex,
that's
really
not
your
lane,
but
in
terms
of
getting
to
come,
ask
and
want
to
be
there.
That
is
your
lane
and
it's
fully
transparent
public
process.
As
I
said,
there's
audits,
there
are
restrictions
on
how
you
spend
the
money.
D
D
That's
the
same
thing
here
now:
nobody
gets
barred
in
your
world,
but
people
do
get
prosecuted.
So
that's
why
they
put
it
in
a
trust
fund
and
that's
why
paying
attention
to
what's
in
your
plan?
What's
in
your
budget
and
what's
in
your
district,
is
your
and
your
administrator's
responsibility
next
slide?
D
Okay,
so
what
are
the
powers
of
the
cra?
There's
a
whole
bunch?
I
just
listed
the
statutes
here.
I
would
strongly
suggest
that
you
thumb
through
these
not
because
it'll
it'll
keep
you
up
at
night,
it'll
put
you
to
sleep
but
try
to
read
it
when
you're
awake
or
at
least
have
two
or
three
cups
of
coffee
in
you
and
you'll
see
you
have
a
lot
of
different
powers
that
you
can
use
and
it
matters
in
your
case
whether
you're
in
a
charter
or
non-charter
county,
and
you
are
in
a
charter
county.
D
That
means
that,
fortunately,
for
you,
because
of
when
you
were
created,
you
have
all
the
authorities
that
were
available
in
the
statute
and
those
powers
have
been
expanded
over
the
years
and,
if
you
so,
if
you
look
at
163
358,
for
example,
you'll
find
a
lot
of
those
the
power
to
contract
and
purchase
real
estate
and
enter
into
contracts
and
a
whole
lot
of
other
things
and
it'll
walk
you
through
some
of
those
things.
So
it's
a
good
idea.
D
D
Okay,
so
what
is
the
plan?
You've
heard
me
mention
it
already
several
times.
The
plan
is
your
blueprint.
It
is
the
thing
that
keeps
you
between
the
lines
and
and
if
it's
done
properly,
it
should
be
both
specific
enough.
So
someone
who
has
no
knowledge
of
what
you're
about
can
figure
it
out,
but
general
enough
to
give
you
some
flexibility.
D
In
the
early
days,
plans
were
drafted
in
such
a
way
where
they
would
say
we're
going
to
build
this
retention
pond
on
this
spot
and
we're
going
to
put
in
this
storm
drain
and
we're
going
to
widen
this
street
and
we're
going
to
put
in
these
street
lights
and
that's
how
it
was
listed.
Project
by
project
by
project.
D
The
modern
approach
or
the
more
modern
approach
is
to
say
we're
going
to
address
inadequate
sweep
street
lighting,
we're
going
to
end
an
address
in
a
project,
inadequate
storm
drainage,
we're
going
to
look
at
community
policing,
we're
going
to
look
at
whatever
it
is
you're
going
to
look
at
and-
and
there
might
be
some
specifics
in
there-
and
there
may
be
reasons
politically
to
put
specifics
in
there.
But
generally
speaking,
good
planning
and
good
cra
plans
are
more
general.
D
D
It
is
publicly
drafted,
meaning
that
when
you
adopt
the
plan
and
when
you
amend
the
plan,
those
are
all
through
public
meetings
and
hearings,
and
it
says
goals
and
priorities.
I
suspect
you
guys
have
had
some
of
those
discussions
in
the
past.
One
of
the
things
you'll
see
is
the
best
practice
is
having
those
planning
sessions
once
a
year.
D
It
is
a
roadmap
not
only
for
your
cra,
but
also
for
the
private
sector
to
see
what
you're
up
to
as
I've
said
before
so
they
know
hey.
This
is
on
the
plan
to
be
done
in
the
next
couple
of
years.
I
should
consider
bringing
it
to
the
jacks
beach
downtown
cra,
because
this
would
benefit
my
business
in
this
way
or
whatever
project
I
want
to
put
in,
and
it
allows
your
investment
to
be
focused
on
things
that
you
want
and
at
the
same
time
it
allows
you
to
be
to
amend
it.
D
It
is
good
practice
to
update
the
plan
every
five
years
and
set
goals,
but,
as
I
said,
you
can
re
look
at
it
anytime,
you
choose,
it
needs
to
be
consistent
with
your
comprehensive
plan
and
before
I
go
any
further,
does
anybody
who's
on
this
call?
You
can
raise
your
hand
or,
however,
you
want
to
do
it,
but
not
know
what
a
comprehensive
plan
is
or
why
it's
important.
D
If
you
don't
know,
this
is
a
good
time
to
speak
up.
Okay,
I'm
glad
that
that's
the
case.
I
don't
want
to
ever
embarrass
anybody,
but
it's
important
because
one
of
the
things
that
I
get
a
lot
in
the
land
use
area
is
people
don't
know
that
the
con,
unlike
most
things
in
government,
where
your
charter
is
your
constitution
for
land
use,
your
comp
plan
is
your
constitution
and
you
cannot
do
anything
in
land
use.
That's
inconsistent
with
your
constitution
of
land
use
and
that's
the
comp
plan.
D
It
is
a
process.
The
amendment
process
is
very
similar
to
the
process
of
creating
the
cra.
Amendments
can
be
proposed
by
the
cra
board
they're
sent
to
a
local
planning
agency,
whichever
your
board
is.
It
constitutes
that
in
your
city
it
has
notices
public
hearings
by
the
governing
body
and
in
a
charter
county.
Those
amendments
would
be
approved
by
the
charter
county,
in
this
case
jacksonville
the
up
or
do
I
guess
it's
jacksonville
slash
demo
county
because
of
the
consolidation.
D
There
are
options
to
expand
or
contract
boundaries,
meaning,
if
you
think,
hey
the
downtown
cra
isn't
big
enough.
We
need
to
be
a
bit
bigger.
There's
a
way
to
do
that.
You
can
extend
the
term
up
to
a
point.
I
think
you
are
currently
extended.
As
far
as
you
can
go,
maybe
you
I
think
you
might
be
able
to
squeeze
a
couple
more
years
out
of
one
or
both
of
them,
but
you're
pretty
well
expanded
or
extended
to
the
to
the
max
point.
Almost
there.
I
think
we
checked
it.
We
think
we
got.
D
You
may
be
able
to
get
two
more
years
if
you
did
an
extension,
but
pretty
much
your
you've
got
it
expanded
as
far
as
it
can
go,
and
you
also
can
write
for
general
updates
and
additions
edits
and
that
sort
of
thing
next
slide.
D
So
we
talked
early
on
when
we
were
having
technical
difficulties
about
in
increment
financing
is
and-
and
I
told
you,
there
was
a
side
that
would
tell
you
what
your
base
years
are,
and
this
is
the
slide.
So
your
advert
property
taxes
are
frozen
in
your
downtown
cra
from
1984
and
for
the
south
ncra
from
1987..
What
that
means
is
whatever
those
values
were
for
all
of
the
property
in
those
areas
at
those
years,
everything
that
they've
increased
in
value
since
those
years.
95
of
that
is
what
gets
pumped
back
to
you.
D
That's
where
your
money
comes
from,
and
the
county
and
city
write
the
checks
annually.
You
guys
adopt
a
budget
we're
going
to
talk
about
that
two
in
a
second,
and
you
also
could
have
grants,
donations,
loans
and
so
forth
that
add
to
that
pot
next
slide.
D
So
what
can
the
dollars
be
spent
on?
I
don't
know
why
I
did
that.
I
wonder
if
this
is
this
is
one
I
tried
to
take
out
all
the
special
effects,
because
I
knew
the
venue,
but
apparently
this
is
we're.
Gonna
end
up
doing
these
one
at
a
time.
So
stick
with
me
chandra
and
you
can
hit
the
button
as
I
go.
Obviously
you
can
spend
it
on
administrative
and
overhead
necessary
to
carry
out
the
plan.
D
That
does
not
mean
every
secretary
in
city
hall
gets
to
be
spending
cra
dollars,
but
yours
to
extends
working
on
cra
stuff.
Can
next
planning
surveys
and
financial
analysis
of
your
cras,
the
district,
the
budget
reimbursement
for
startup
costs?
Let
me
talk
about
this
you're
way
past
that,
but
just
so
you
know,
usually
cras
not
surprisingly,
start
broke.
Why?
Because
they
have
no
independent
way
to
generate
money,
so
the
cities
lend
them
the
startup
money
and
then,
as
the
cra
tif
starts,
coming
in
the
cities
pay
themselves
back.
D
D
Obviously
this
is
a
big
one:
repayment
of
loans,
advances,
bonds,
bond
anticipation,
notes
other
debt.
I
want
to
spend
a
moment
on
this,
because
bill
will
remember-
and
probably
james
will
too
what
we
went
through
in
2008
for
a
very
long
time.
D
Tif
bonds
were
a
thing.
We
could
go
with
the
pledged
revenues
that
were
created
by
the
tif,
the
tax
increment
financing
we've
been
talking
about
and
we
could
do
projects
today
because
we
could
get.
Let's
say
we
had
a
project,
that's
going
to
run
us
30
million
dollars,
but
our
revenue
generation
would
show
that
while
we
don't
have
it
today,
you
know
you
like.
I
buy
300
000
house.
D
I
can't
buy
it
today,
but
I
make
enough
money
that
I'll
be
able
to
make
the
payments
same
idea,
and
that
was
smoothing
going
along
swimmingly
until
2008
and
in
2008.
You
might
think
I'm
talking
about
the
crash,
I'm
not
that's
just
a
double
whammy.
What
happened
is
a
case
called
strand,
and
that
is
a
case
in
which
the
supreme
court
reversed
years
decades
of
law.
That
said,
we
could
take
that
tif
money
and
use
it
to
get
bonds
to
do
big
projects
and
said
no.
D
Many
groups,
including
the
fra,
the
league
of
cities
and
various
others,
follow
the
briefs
to
overturn
that
ruling
and
say
you
got
it
wrong
and
about
a
year
later,
almost
to
the
day
they
changed
their
minds
and
said
you
know
what
you're
right.
We
got
it
wrong
and
it
should
go
back
to
the
way
it
was,
but
by
then
the
damage
was
done.
D
But
I
think
that'll
change.
It's
just
not.
I
don't
think
it's
ever
going
to
get
quite
back
to
where
it
was
in
2008..
Next
appeal:
please:
okay:
cost
of
issuance
sale,
redemption
retirement
bonds,
that's
all
related
to
the
bond
costs
next,
affordable
housing
within
the
area.
That's
also
something
and
community
policing
innovations.
I
think
if
I'm
not
mistaken
and
then
maybe
bill
can
tell
me,
but
I
think
you
actually
have
that
in
your
downtown
syria
am
I
right
bill.
D
Okay,
and
so
these
are
all
part
of
the
idea
of
taking
a
place,
that's
blighted
or
unsafe
and
making
it
safe
again
done
the
right
way.
It's
something
that
can
be
done
next
slide,
anything
in
the
plan,
finding
a
necessity
and
in
the
area.
So
again,
those
are
the
mantras
you've
heard
me
say
it,
a
bunch
you'll
hear
me
say
it
a
bunch
more,
but
that's
why
it's
the
one
thing
that
we
always
say
that
makes
make
sure
you
understand
next,
please
all
right!
D
D
D
Unless
each
taxing
authority
agrees
to
such
method
of
financing
for
the
construction
or
expansion
or
unless
the
construction
or
expansion
is
contemplated
as
a
part
of
community
policing
innovation
again,
you
have
that
and
you
did
it
by
if
you'll
see
at
the
bottom
of
the
slide,
the
words
exceptions
by
enter
local
agreement,
everything
that
I'm
telling
you
or
most
everything
that
I'm
telling
you
regarding
the
restrictions
on
how
you
spend
the
money
can
be
overcome
by
analytical
agreements,
but
those
are
extremely
hard
to
come
by
because
they
require
that
everybody
every
taxing
authority,
that's
contributing
to
your
tiff
revenues,
has
to
agree
and
when
they
start,
when
you
start
asking
permission,
then
there's
always
seems
to
be
strings
attached.
D
It's
possible,
it's
not
something
that
happens
often,
but
I
didn't
want
to
mention
it
because
it
is
something
that's
in
the
statute.
I
don't
want
anyone
to
leave
the
call
thinking.
I
don't
know
what
I'm
talking
about
it's
there
projects
under
any
previous
existing
cip.
Before
I
go
further,
do
you
all
know
what
a
cip
is?
Does
anybody
not
know
what
a
cip
is
the
capital
improvements
program?
D
If
there's
a
project
that
you
would
like
in
the
cra,
but
it's
already
in
the
cip
or
has
been
in
the
cip
in
the
last
three
years,
then
you
can't
do
that
project.
It
has
to
be
done
by
the
city.
It's
because
the
idea
is
the
city
was
going
to
do
it
anyway.
Therefore,
you
don't
need
redevelopment
the
dollars
to
do
it
and
it's
not.
The
redevelopment
dollars
are
not
supposed
to
just
be
a
slush
fund
for
the
city,
general
government
operating
expenses
again
as
we've
covered,
not
not.
Okay.
Next.
D
Okay,
what
is
the
trust
fund
money
rule
now
this
changed
by
the
way.
Recently
it
used
to
be
that
the
money
had
to
be
returned.
It
does
not
anymore,
you
have
the
option,
here's
the
options.
If
you
have
money
left
in
your
fund
at
the
end,
by
the
end
of
the
fiscal
year,
which
is
september
30th
every
year,
it
must
return
to
each
taxing
authority
or
by
the
way,
no
one
does
that
option
or
very
seldom
do
they
do
that
option?
It's
used
to
reduce
outstanding
debt,
that's
an
option.
D
If
you
have
loans,
if
you
have
debt,
you
can
use
it
to
pay
down
debt,
you
can
deposit
to
an
escrow
account
for
later
payment
of
outstanding
debt,
or
you
can
appropriate
to
a
specific
redevelopment
project.
Pursuant
to
the
plan
again,
there
used
to
be
a
timeline
on
that
and
where
the
money
had
to
be
returned,
that's
no
longer
in
the
statute
next
slide.
D
So
what
are
some
best
practices?
We
you?
Obviously
many
of
these
things
are
going
to
be
common
sense
to
you,
but
I
think
that
we're
talking
about
at
least
some
of
them,
so
you
establish
goals.
You
task
and
you
track
your
progress,
you
analyze
and
study
the
market
and
that
that's
important
understand,
however,
that
the
market
is
going
to
be
driven
by
what
the
developers
tell
you
is
driven
by.
It
does
not
mean
that
you
have
to
listen
to
what
they
want.
D
It
does
mean
that
they're
not
going
to
develop
just
because
you
want
them
to
if
the
market
can't
make
it
profitable.
It
doesn't
matter
what
you
want
so
when
they
say
study
the
market.
What
they're
telling
you
is
not
for
just
what
you
want.
Everybody
knows
what
they
want
or
many
do,
but
what
will
actually
work
economically
and
that's
the
business
you
should
be
trying
to
attract.
Ideally,
if
it's
both
things,
things
that
you
both
want
and
are
economically
viable,
then
that's
a
win-win,
but
I
can
tell
you
from
absolute
experience.
D
I've
been
doing
this
for
a
long
time.
I've
never
seen
a
project
development
where
the
developer
side
thought
I'm
going
to
lose
money,
but
I'm
doing
it
anyway.
So
just
remember
that,
so
you
do
your
research,
you
can
apply
for
grants,
understand
the
profit
motive.
That's
why
I
spend
the
time
on
it,
I'm
not
in
a
shell
for
developers,
I'm
a
shill
for
successful
development,
and
I
know
what
works
not
that
I
know
a
specific
type
of
redevelopment
that
works,
but
I
know
it's
market
driven,
monitor
your
contracts
with
the
public's
eye
in
mind.
D
Obviously,
if
something
doesn't
seem
right
to
you,
you
should
be
looking
real
hard
at
it
over
communicate
to
your
public
and
your
taxpayers
on
the
expectations
that
you
have
for
your
cra,
separate
your
cra
and
commission
meetings.
I
know
that
you
do
that
automatically
because
you're
a
unicorn
amongst
cras
and
that
you
are
not
independent
but
separate
from
the
elected
officials.
We'll
talk
about
that
too.
In
a
second
and
you
have
public
notice
requirements
the
same
as
the
local
government.
D
Next
slide,
please
more
best
practices.
There's
you
don't
have
to
do
this,
but
but
bill
knows
that
you
have
to
do
the
all
the
appropriate
reports
that
are
available
joint
procedures
for
cra
and
city,
I.e
how
you
share
personnel
and
those
kinds
of
things,
separate
insurances,
for
errors
and
admissions
for
you
versus
city,
council
and
liability.
D
You
have
to
have
set
missions,
goals,
objectives
and
once
you've
set
them.
If
you
do
a
planning
or
strategic
planning
once
a
year
as
we
suggest
keep
those
things
handy,
you
know
I
know,
and
probably
some
of
you
know-
and
you
might
even
be
this
person
who
carries
around
in
their
in
their
pocket
a
copy
of
the
constitution
or
the
bill
of
rights.
D
I
got
no
problem
with
that,
but
if
you're
a
cra,
remember,
here's
a
good
thing
to
carry
around
in
your
pocket
is
the
mission's
goals
and
objectives
of
what
you're
trying
to
accomplish
remembering.
Why
did
we
have
blight?
What
is
it
we
said
we
were
going
to
do
to
try
to
fix
it,
and
are
we
doing
that
and
again
you
see
the
last
one
is
what
I've
already
talked
about:
the
annual
strategic
workshop
next.
D
So
cra
budgets
are
about
as
exciting
as
watching
paint
dry
and
I'm
also
looking
at
my
watching.
I
got
about
four
or
five
minutes
and
I'm
gonna
wrap
it
up
here,
they're
adopted
by
resolution
file
with
the
city
or
county.
It's
a
total
amount
available
from
taxation
and
other
sources
that
tiff
we
talked
about.
D
It
regulates
as
we've
discussed
the
expenditures
of
the
cra.
You
can't
expend
beyond
the
contract
outside
of
the
or
contract
outside
of
the
budget.
D
In
this
case,
the
city
will
review
it's
presented
for
generally
accepted
accounting
principles,
and
the
budget
of
your
cra
must
be
contained
within
the
general
budget
of
the
local
governing
authority.
In
this
case,
your
city,
unless
the
local
government
governing
authority,
consents
to
a
separate
budget
budget
must
be
clearly
stated
as
the
budget
of
the
cra.
Now
recently,
one
of
the
questions
that
bill
had
put
to
me
in
a
an
email
was
about
whether
we
have
to
do
a
separate
audit
and
the
answer.
D
D
I
don't
know
whether
it
was
may
or
june,
but
we
did
an
opinion
on
this
very
issue,
because
there
was
a
change
to
the
statute,
where
some
people
assumed
that
it
meant
an
independent,
separate
audit.
It
does
not,
it
can
even
be
done
by
the
same
auditor.
It
just
has
to
be
a
separate
from
that,
but
not
independent
of
the
city's
audit,
but
it
clearly
must
be
done
for
the
cra
and
not
just
a
part
of
the
overall
city
budget.
Next.
D
Cras,
as
I
say,
use
generally
accepted
accounting
principles
for
state
and
local
government.
We
talked
already
about
the
time
sheets
and
logs
for
splitting
of
staff.
D
The
expenses
are
in
accordance
with
the
plan,
and
the
budget
here
are
the
things
that
you
need
to
know
on
this
slide.
There's
a
bunch
of
purchasing
restrictions
that
apply
to
how
you
go
about
contracting
for
things.
Ccna
stands
for
the
competitive
consultants,
negotiation
act
and
that's
for
certain
kinds
of
services
such
as
architectural
services,
engineering
services
survey
services
have
to
go
through
a
bidding
process.
It's
based
on
how
much
the
contracts
are,
and
whether
they're
tier
one,
two
three
and
so
forth.
D
If
you're
really
interested
in
something
that'll
put
you
to
sleep,
then
I'm
sure
bill
can
get
you
a
copy
of
that
or
I
can
additional
statute
florida
statute.
255
20
is
for
building
construction
contracts
and
how
they're
bid
and
the
process
that's
required
there
and
city
and
county
purchasing
policies.
D
If
you
have
seen
your
bylaws,
it
says
that
in
them,
but
ironically,
that's
a
new
development
for
statewide
cra
law,
only
recently
like
in
september
of
last
year,
that
it
become
the
law
of
this
state
that
your
cra
purchasing
policies
have
to
mirror
those
of
your
city
or
the
creating
agency.
D
If
it
happens
to
be
a
county,
and
so
you're
already
doing
that
you're
ahead
of
the
curve
going
back
to
the
80s
so
good
for
you,
but
all
those
things
affect
how
you
can
go
about
bidding
for
services
or
contract
work
next,
so
why
do
cra
succeed?
Well,
they
see
exceed
based
on
again
a
lot
of
things
that
are
common
knowledge
to
you
all.
If
you're
leaders-
and
you
are
because
you're
here
and
you're
on
this,
this
body
leadership
vision.
I
want
to
talk
about
partnerships.
D
What
kind
of
partnerships
well
we've
discussed
them
in
a
broad
way
if
you're
doing
facade
grants.
In
my
view,
that's
a
partnership.
Why?
Because
you're
saying
to
a
business,
you
come
here
and
move
into
this
space,
we'll
make
it
look
pretty
for
you
and
help
your
business
succeed,
which
will
then
help
the
tax
values
go
up
help
our
bottom
line
help
your
bottom
line
and
provide
something
for
our
citizens,
whether
it's
the
shop,
that
they
need
or
service
they
need,
or
whatever
it
is
or
housing.
D
D
It
takes
guts
and
passion
to
stick
with
it,
but
surprisingly,
depending
on
how
fast
and
decisive
you
can
be,
it
doesn't
take
a
bunch
of
time
and
on
the
last
side,
which
is
the
question
slide
I'll
show
you
pictures
that
will
explain
what
I
mean.
So
let
me
talk.
Let
me
tell
you
where
this
is
before
we
talk
about
questions,
because
I
know
we're
going
to
hold
those
till
we
get
done.
The
bylaws
has
anybody
ever
been
to
the
city
of
winter
garden.
D
You
can
just
raise
your
hand
nod
whatever
if
you've
been
you'll
know
that
it
is
kind
of
one
of
the
bright
shining
stars
of
redevelopment,
and
the
reason
is
because
they
have
taken
what
was
I
wish
I
had
a
before
sign.
I
looked
for
some
they've
taken
what
was
essentially
a
dried
up
citrus
town
and
if
you've
been
to
winter
garden,
you
know,
there's
no
citrus
within
you
know
50
miles
of
the
place
now,
but
it
used
to
be
miles
and
miles
of
citrus.
D
When
I
was
a
kid
in
second
or
third
grade,
we
took
a
tour
to
orange
country
and
we
went
to
something
called
the
citrus
tower,
which
still
exists.
It's
a
three-story,
but
at
the
time,
was
considered
a
tower
three-story
structure
where
you
could
ride
an
elevator
at
the
top
and
as
far
as
you
could
see
in
any
direction
was
orange
trees.
Now,
as
far
as
you
can
see
any
directions,
it's
businesses
and
mostly
housing,
no
orange
trees.
D
However,
they
took
that
city
which
was
based
on
citrus
and
had
dried
up,
boarded
up
front
store
fronts,
closed,
theaters,
nothing
and
turned
it
into
what
you
see
in
these
two
slides.
The
first
slide
is
they're
sort
of
their
centerpiece
clock.
You
know
that
sets
their
sock
their
their
their
their
trail
system.
D
That
thing
that
goes
through
the
middle
of
that
archway
is
the
west
orange
trail,
and
it
goes
now
all
the
way
from
well
past
oakland
and
I'm
trying
to
figure
out
how
far
it
goes
that
way,
but
all
the
way
to
apopka
and
further
it's
a
huge
trail
system,
it's
hugely
popular
and
has
spawned
a
ton
of
business.
Those
bicyclists
you
see
on
the
slide
are
using
the
trail
system
on
the
right
side
there
you'll
see.
What's
the
crooked
can
brewery
is
a
part
of
the
plant
city
market.
D
It's
a
mall
like
market,
but
not
in
the
mall
in
the
traditional
sense,
and
it
has
butcher
shops
and
candy
shops
and
pizza
shops,
as
well
as
a
significant
brewery
at
the
end,
which
attracts
large
crowds,
and
it's
just
a
lovely
lovely
place
to
be
now.
Why
did
I
put
these
in
here
to
tell
you
what
success
looks
like
and
at
the
same
time
tell
you
it
doesn't
take
as
long
as
you
might
think.
D
D
So
he
asked
me
to
literally
babysit
the
city
and
be
it
city
attorney,
because
I
was
qualified
and
they
had
no
problem
with
it
for
six
to
nine
months,
12
months,
whatever
it
turned
out
to
be
until
he
could
take
the
job
after
the
development
that
he
was
working
on,
went
away
and
he
didn't
have
a
conflict
any
longer.
So
I
got
to
be
there
when
this
thing
was
nothing
and
turned
into
what
you
see
now.
D
Every
decision
that
is
represented
in
these
pictures
that
led
to
these
pictures
was
made
in
meetings
and
I'm
not
kidding
you.
It
didn't.
Last,
more
than
30
minutes
we're
subject
to
great
discussion
between
the
members
but
polite
and
respectful
and
inquiring
discussions
that
were
the
kind
that
make
things
happen
and
as
a
result
of
those
discussions
that
happened
over
nine
months
to
a
year
that
I
sat
there.
It
is
what
you
see
in
these
pictures
and
it
is
incredible.
I
was
very
fortunate
to
see
it
and
I
like
to
talk
about
it.
D
C
E
And
now
we'll
take
more
of
the
micro
scope
picture
of
the
bylaws
as
they
apply
just
to
rcra
and
some
of
the
concepts
that
we'll
talk
about
and
some
of
the
bylaw
articles
and
sections
that
we'll
talk
about
are
probably
going
to
stir
up
some
questions
and
they
their
questions
that
we've
talked
about
in
the
past.
But
you
heard
cliff
talk
about
how
the
cra
has
the
authority
and
the
powers
to
contract
procure
services
monitor.
Those
contracts
has
separate
insurances,
so
the
cra
has
its
own
administrative
potential
and
costs.
E
So
it
sounds
a
lot
like
a
very
independent,
if
not
totally
independent
agency,
and
when
we
look
at
the
bylaws,
it's
going
to
sound
a
lot
like
that
also.
But
there
are
sections
in
the
bylaws
that
we
need
to
pay
close
attention
to
and
then,
when
ashley
shares
with
us,
her
discussion
on
budget
and
some
of
the
restrictions
and
limitations
on
some
of
the
budgeting.
The
financial
and
the
contracting
aspects
of
the
cra.
E
Then
we're
going
to
we'll
be
able
to
link
it
all
together
and
hopefully
answer
some
of
the
questions
that
that
are
out
there.
So
bill
told
me
that
everyone's
been
provided
the
bylaws
and
they're
up
on
the
screen
here.
So
chandra.
E
You
can
go
flip
past
that
page
to
the
first
page
of
the
bylaws
and
we'll
just
look
under
our
what's
called
article
2
section
1,
the
creation
and
that
that
links
up
to
the
concept,
the
context
and
concept
that
that
cliff
shared
with
us,
in
that
the
cra
was
created
under
the
purpose
of
reduction
of
slum
and
blight.
E
And
that's
stated
in
section
one
under
creation.
And
then
we
want
to
look
at
the
next
page
that
you,
that
is
real
important
for
us,
is
going
to
be
under
section
4,
which
is
on
page
2..
E
And
this
speaks
to
the
powers
and
we're
probably
going
to
have
some
questions
on
there,
because
under
section
4
powers,
the
bylaws
state
that
the
agency,
the
cra,
shall
have
and
exercise
all
the
authorities
of
powers
conferred
to
it.
Essentially,
under
the
chapter
163,
the
community
redevelopment
act,
much
of
what
cliff
just
went
through
and
that
the
enabling
ordinance
also
states
that
as
well
and
the
enabling
ordinance
is
at
the
very
back
of
this
and
we'll
get
to
that
when
we
get
to
the
end
of
the
slide.
E
The
community
redevelopment
act
and
section
4
continues
to
go
on
to
say
that
it
that
the
agency
shall
have
and
possess
all
the
powers
necessary
and
proper
to
redevelop
the
project
area
and
finance
the
redevelopment
through
the
tip
that
cliff
just
explained,
including
without
limitation
power,
to
enter
into
and
execute
contracts,
documents
and
agreements
that
shall
be
necessary
or
incidental
to
the
performance
of
the
agency's
duties.
So
again
that
that
that
seems
to
indicate
that
the
agency
does
have
this
very
broad
scope
of
powers
under
chapter
163
that
cliff
just
reviewed.
E
But
again
we
need
to
just
put
an
asterisk
by
that,
because
we
need
to
discuss
that
further
in
terms
of
some
of
the
restrictions
and
limitations
on
those
powers.
Article
3
addresses
the
commissioners
and
I
think
everybody
is
comfortable
with
that.
I
can't
imagine
any
questions
coming
arising
from
any
of
the
sections
in
there,
but
if
you
have
any,
then
we'd
be
glad
to
talk
about
those
article
four
addresses
meetings.
I
think
everyone
has
a
full
grasp
on
that.
E
Of
course,
art,
as
chairman
has
a
full
grasp
on
that
and
the
meetings
being
public
meetings
having
to
be
dually
noticed
and
that
the
location
speaks
to
the
location
and
the
place
of
the
meetings,
of
course,
we're
in
exceptional
times.
Right
now
and
then
it
speaks
to
the
quorum.
But
I
don't.
I
don't
think
anyone
has
any
questions
about
that.
E
We
I
haven't
encountered
any
questions
about
that,
or
bill
hasn't
mentioned
any
issues
with
that
article
6
is
the
fiscal
year
commence
on
art
on
october
1
and
terminate
on
september
30th.
I
think
everyone's
comfortable
with
that.
That
makes
sense,
that's
how
we
operate
and
then
article
7
speaks
to
the
public
records
aspect
of
cras
and
it
being
a
public
agency.
E
E
I
also,
I
think
you
all
understand
section
2
the
annual
report,
but
I'm
going
to
step
I'm
not
going
to
comment
on
that,
because
I
don't
want
to
step
on
anything
that
ashley's
going
to
help
share
with
you
guys
in
terms
of
budget
and
finance,
which
is
essentially
section
2
and
section
3..
Essentially,
the
article
7
speaks
to
all
of
the
records
of
the
agency,
our
public
records
and
the
and
and
that
and
that
that's
the
same,
that
applies
for
us
as
a
city
article
eight
conflicts
of
interest.
E
I
don't
think
we
have
any
issues
or
problems
or
concerns
with
that
and
addresses
the
conflicts
of
interest
that
may
exist
with
each
one
of
you.
With
respect
to
your
role
on
the
cra
and
section
two
speaks
to
your
ownership
of
property.
Again,
I
think
everyone's
comfortable
with
that
we
don't
have
any
issues
with
that.
E
Article
12
is
is
a
very
important
article
and
it's
going
to
be
a
topic
of
discussion
during
ashley's
presentation
as
well,
and
the
one
of
the
important
points
starts
off
in
section
one
which
is
titled
approval
by
city
council,
and
we
should
read
that
word
for
word
and
that
all
actions
supposed
to
be
taken
by
the
agency,
which
are
or
may
be
subject
to
the
primary
jurisdiction
of
the
city
by
reason
of
the
statute.
E
But
there
are
a
lot
of
acts
or
actions
that
I
think
the
agency
may
want
to
engage
in
or
take,
but
those
actually
have
to
be
either
prior
approved
or
have
to
then
post
have
to
later.
Be
approved
by
the
city
and
that
may
pose
that
may
pose
a
lot
of
questions
for
us
and
we'll
we'll
answer
those
in
section
two.
E
That's
pretty
well
understood,
but
to
see
leads
us
to
the
question
about
contracting
procurement
of
works
and
services
and
the
the
question
that
we
had
that
I'm
aware
of
that
came
up
was
whether
the
agency,
the
cra,
can
perform
its
own
procurement
and
engage
in
its
own
procurements
and
there,
therefore,
let
its
own
contract
engage
in
the
contract
with
with
contractors
or
vendors
or
service
providers
or
professionals,
and
you
know
we've
mentioned
before
that.
E
It
seemed
to
indicate
that
there
was
this
blanket
authority
for
the
agency
to
potentially
just
enter
into
or
or
set
up
its
own
procurement
also
to
contract
on
its
own,
but
that
actually
is
not
not
a
full
not
fully
within
the
agency's
discretion.
There
are
limitations
to
it
where
ashley
and
I
are
going
to
discuss
that
a
little
bit
more,
but
it
actually
does
have
to
go.
Those
processes
do
actually
have
to
go
through
the
city's
procurement
policies,
meaning
they
have
to
be
approved
by
city
council.
E
Certain
contracts
have
to
be
approved
by
city
council
that
the
cra
isn't
actually
equipped
or
constructed
to
create
its
own
procurement
documents,
meaning
a
large
request
for
production.
I'm
sorry
a
request
request
for
proposals.
If,
if
the
agency
were
to
take
on
the
responsibility
of
designing
its
own
rfps
and
issuing
those
rfps,
some
of
those
documents
are
50
pages
long
100
pages
long.
We
have
rfps
that
come
out
of
our
public
works
and
engineering
departments
that
are
huge
documents.
E
E
E
And
I'm
sorry
go
up
a
little
bit
more
yeah
right
there,
yeah
so
under
under
section
three.
Do
these
of
the
agency
and
c
is
what
we
should
be
looking
at
in
terms
of
adhered
all,
the
city
purchasing
guidelines
and
state
state
mandated
purchasing
requirements
for
the
municipalities
and,
again
we're
going
to
speak
about
that
under
ashley's
budget.
E
But
I
think
what
we're
what
we're
discovering
now
is
that
we
have
to
have
the
we
have
to
have
the
city
engaged
in
the
procurement
of
works
and
services
and
that
the
city
is
the
is
the
actually
the
agency
that's
going
to
be
approving
contracts
and
those
aren't.
The
contracts
are
not
entered
into
by
the
agency.
The
actual
contracts
are
entered
into
by
the
city
and
so
approved
by
the
city
council
and
then
executed
by
the
mayor
and
the
manager,
as
that
is
part
of
that,
are
part
of
that.
E
That
includes
the
city's
purchasing
guidelines
and
requirements.
Those
steps
and
we'll
talk
about
that
some
more.
But
I
want
to
get
to
the
back
of
the
the
end
of
it.
E
That's
a
very
powerful
set
of
statutes
that
enable
and
authorize
the
cra
to
act.
It's
a
lot
of
powers,
rights
and
privileges
and
authorities
that
are
contained
within
163.
However,
our
cra
operates
a
little
differently
than
the
entirety
and
the
full
scope
of
163..
We
have
some
some
some
forms
of
restrictions
and
limitations
to
it.
C
Right,
this
is,
if
I
may,
this
is
really
good.
It's
it's
a
little
bit
after
four,
and
I
would
really
like
to
ask
the
members
just
for
a
few
minutes
before
we
get
into
ashley's
presentation,
question.
E
C
For
cliff
about
chapter
163,.
C
Feel
free
normally,
I
would
go
and
ask
each
person
if
they
have
any
questions
and
if
that's
all
right
with
you
I'd
like
to
do
that
and
I'm
just
looking
at
my
screen
sam
you're
up.
First,
you
got
any
questions
for
mr
shepherd
you're
on
mute.
If
you
can
unmute.
G
Yourself,
yes,
I
have
a
couple
of
questions
and
I
like
to
maybe
bundle
these
together
an
example
of
during
your
best
practice
to
over
communicate
in
these
days
of
transparency.
G
I
want
you
to
explain
to
me
what
it's
like
over
communicating
from
the
cra
and
another
question
that
I
have
is
about
bricks
and
mortar.
We
are
only
able
to
invest
in
bricks
and
mortar,
but
what
about?
If
we
need
consultants,
if
we
need
legal
fees
or
if
we
have
grant
writing?
How
does
that
factor
into
the
cra.
G
No,
no,
no,
all
those
things
just
dropped
in
my
mind,
but,
more
importantly,
we
talked
about
grants
and
what
about
grant
writing
or
consulting
fees?
If
we
need
it.
D
D
It
can
vary
from
cra
to
cra,
but
here's
what,
when
I
am
trying
to
teach
it,
I'm
trying
to
communicate
to
you,
that
is
that
that
I've
been
a
city
lawyer
for
a
long
time
and
even
longer
than
I
would
have
been
a
cra
lawyer,
because
it
was
because
I
was
a
cr,
a
city
lawyer
that
I
met
the
late
david
cardwell,
who
actually
was
responsible
for
drafting
the
statute,
was
the
first
guru
of
this
stuff
and
he
handed
it
off
to
me
and
I've
alternated
between
being
thankful
and
wondering
why
he
did
this
to
me
to
make
it
my
area
of
expertise.
D
But
I
can
just
tell
you
that,
in
my
experience
as
a
city
lawyer
is
what
what
informs
my
discussion
about
over
information.
If
you've
been
to
many
city
council
meetings,
I
assume
some
of
you
have
been
to
at
least
a
few.
You
know
that
things
that
are
actually
really
important
that
actually
affect
the
daily
lives
of
citizens
really
get
the
citizens
to
show
up.
D
But
if
it
goes
wrong,
they
show
up
to
complain,
and
so
over
communication
is
essentially
to
avoid
the
problem
of
nobody
told
me,
because
we
are
living
in
a
time
because
of
the
social
media
aspects
and
everything
else
where
I
literally
see
people
come
to
meetings
about
a
rezoning
which
was
posted
on
biggs
red
signs
in
the
neighborhood
and
has
been
on
the
website
of
the
city
and
all
the
legal
notices
were
sent
and
they
come
down
and
are
just
absolutely
outraged
that
nobody
told
them,
and
they
mean
by
that
no
one
personally
came
and
knocked
on
the
door
made
them
answer
and
said:
hey
guess
what
this
property
is
being
rezoned.
D
D
D
Anything
related
to
how
you
spend
those
dollars
is
included,
so
engineering
costs,
architects,
cost
and
developing
plans
consultants
regarding
whether
it's
a
good
idea
or
a
bad
idea.
All
of
those
things
are
part
of
the
eventual
expenditure
of
bricks
and
mortar.
What's
not
is
now
the
bricks
and
mortar
project
is
in
and
we're
going
to
have
a
big
party
for
the
entire
city
and
we're
going
to
use
it
out
of
the
cra
budget.
That
is
probably
the
bridge
too
far.
D
However,
if
the
party
is
limited
to
promoting
the
cra
specifically
and
the
business
is
in
it,
that
might
be
a
different
thing
according
to
at
least
one
ag
opinion
that
is
out
there.
So
that's
the
answer
to
that
question.
Of
course,
my
favorite
part
of
the
question
was
legal
fees
that
you
can
always
spend
on.
Lawyers,
always.
H
Yeah
I've
got
a
couple
of
questions.
I
guess
I
maybe
this
is
going
to
be
answered
by
ashley
a
little
bit,
but
I
I'm
still
not
sure.
I
understand
how
the
budget
approval
process
works.
D
Ashley
question
because
you're
hcra's
budget
team,
particularly
with
yours
being
uniquely
and
not
an
independent
but
a
separate
body
from
the
elected
officials,
will
be
a
little
bit
different.
But
ultimately,
I'm
sure
she's
going
to
end
up
telling
you
that
the
city
council
is
the
one
that
has
the
approval
authority.
D
H
The
point
about
liability
insurance-
it's
I
think
I
heard
you
say
that
there
was
to
be
a
separate
policy
from
what
the
city
carries
in
the
way
of
a
liability
insurance
for
the
cra.
Do
we
as
a
cra,
have
a
liability
policy
in
place.
D
C
H
D
I
don't
know
whether
you
misheard,
or
I
misspoke-
that
was
one
of
the
things
you
can't
do
normal
routine
city
maintenance,
things
that
wouldn't
be
necessary
for
redevelopment
or
a
part
of
redevelopment
are
not
things
you
spend
money
on
now.
If
we're
talking
about
a
cra
project,
one
that
is
still
a
cra
project
which
requires
maintenance,
a
streetscape
where
lights
might
need
to
be
replaced
and
that
sort
of
thing
then
that's
a
different
matter,
but
the
whole
point
is
if
your
city
would
spend
it
in
its
general
fund.
Anyway,
it's
not
redevelopment.
H
Okay,
but
we
have
in
the
south
district,
we
have
a
an
amendment
to
the
redevelopment
plan
that
was
done
in
2011,
which
talks
about
redoing,
certain
roadways
and
so
forth
in
the
way
of
resurfacing
them,
and
then
that
type
of
thing
would
that
now
be
considered
maintenance,
or
should
that
would
that
be
part
of
what
the
cra
does
in
the
way
of
you
know
general
work,
because
it
was
an
amendment
to
the
original
plan.
D
Well,
you've
got
the
first
aspect
if
it's
in
the
plan,
that's
a
good
thing.
Whether
it
can
be
in
the
plan
depends
on,
and
I
assume
bill
will
know
the
answer.
It's
ever
been
in
the
cip,
the
capital
improvements
program
of
the
city
any
anytime
in
the
last
three
years,
because
if
it
has
been,
then
no
you
can't,
but
assuming
it
was
not
in
the
cip.
D
It
is
a
part
of
property,
that's
in
the
cra
and
is
part
of
the
plan
to
make
the
cra
more
attractive.
An
example
I
would
use
streetwise
is
one
of
the
things
that
some
cras
have
done
in
order
to
attract
a
certain
kind
of
clientele
in
business
is
they've
gone
to
brick
streets?
Why?
Because
it's
got
a
sort
of
old-time
feel
to
it
and
makes
people
want
to
think.
Oh,
this
is
friendly
and
it's
it's
not
the
hard
asphalt.
D
It's
somehow
softer
to
people's
minds
and
more
pedestrian
friends,
whether
that's
true
or
not,
I
don't
know
I'm
not
a
planner,
I'm
just
telling
you
what
they
do.
That
would
be
something
that
a
cra
could
do,
assuming
it
wasn't
in
the
general
city
budget.
So
the
answer
is,
maybe
you
have
the
first
bridge
covered
as
it
is
in
your
plan.
The
second
is,
if
it's
in
your
budget
and
it's
in
your
area,
but
the
fourth
thing
is:
if
it's
not
in
the
city's
cip,
which
I
don't
know.
A
Thank
you
just
to
add
on
to
that
point,
though
one
thing
in
2017,
we
specifically
added
an
amendment
to
the
south
end
plan,
which
specifically
states
that
we're
allowed
to
spend
tiff
monies
on
tiff
funded
improvements
to
maintain
them
in
the
downtown.
It's
a
slight
it's
a
similar
allowance,
but
it's
slightly
different.
The
downtown
we're
allowed
to
spend
tiff
money
for
levels
of
maintenance.
Over
and
above,
what's
normally
provided
by
the
city
and
I'll,
give
you
the
classic
example.
A
Downtown
we've
got
over
a
thousand
three
palm
trees
downtown
that
we
trim
every
year
well
in
latham
plaza
in
our
high
concentration
areas.
We
do
it
twice
a
year
just
to
keep
the
fruits
off
the
ground
and
to
make
it
more
presentable
that
extra
level
of
maintenance
of
those
trees
is
specifically
allowable
by
tiff.
The
downtown
district
doesn't
have
quite
the
maintenance
flexibility
that
the
south
end
does,
but
it
is
specifically
addressed
at
both
plans.
I
Well,
bill
and
well
gary's
question
and
bill's
follow-up
took
care
of
my
question.
It
was
about
the
levels
of
maintenance
when
it's
at
a
lower
level
for
the
city
in
general.
Can
we-
and
I
hear
the
answer-
is
yes:
do
increased
levels
of
maintenance,
above
and
beyond
what
would
have
been
a
normal
city
practice
very
good.
B
I
have
just
a
few
as
well
just
because
we're
talking
about
cips,
I
think
that's
the
answer.
I
was
getting
trying
to
get
last
meeting
in
regards
to
the
memorial
park
that
the
reason
we
weren't
involved
in
the
reason
that
we
couldn't
do
anything
with
it
was
because
the
city
council
took
as
part
of
their
general
projects.
I
think
that's
the
answer
I
was
trying
to
get
last
meeting.
So
is
that
assumption
correct.
A
Yes,
ma'am,
and
in
addition
this,
where
the
existing
memorial
is
located
and
as
well
as
south
oceanfront
park.
Excuse
me
those
are
both
city-owned
properties,
they're,
not
cra
properties
and
there's
a
little
bit
of
difference
because
you
know
downtown
the
cra
owned
several
properties
and
the
city
owned
several
properties.
Speaking
of
the
parking
lots-
and
I
went
back
and
looked
after
this
thing
about
the
memorial
came
up
and
both
of
those
are
city-owned
facilities,
not
crow
facilities,
despite
the
fact
they're
in
the
downtown
district.
So
that's
a
subtle
distinction,
but
it's
there.
B
All
right,
so
the
distinction
then
for
me,
would
be
for
capital
improvement
projects
if
the
cra
wanted
to
choose
a
localized
parking
and
use
a
cra
lot
or
propose
to
use
a
city
lot
if
it's
in
the
general
plan
for
the
city
themselves
to
do,
and
they
put
it
in
one
of
their
lots,
does
that
mean
the
cra
can
no
longer
have
control
or
even
propose
something
on
their
own
area
in
the
district?
D
Go
ahead,
sorry,
I
said
well
to
the
extent
I
understand
your
question
that
it's
the
city's
parking
lot
in
in
theory,
unless
you
all
have
a
unique
situation
which
is
possible.
Everything
is
the
cities
at
some
level
but
they're
in
areas
where
you
have
some
authority,
so
there
are
cras
who
own
their
own
stuff,
at
least
temporarily.
I
don't
know
whether
that's
your
situation,
so
just
talking
about
a
parking
lot.
Generally
speaking,
that's
the
cities.
It's
still
the
cities.
D
But
the
key
question
is:
could
you
spend
cra
dollars
to
do
something
with
that
parking
lot,
and
if
the
thing
that
you
want
to
do
is
something
the
city
is
also
already
planning
to
do
or
has
planned
to
do
for
the
last
three
years
sometime
in
the
last
few
years.
The
answer
is:
no.
You
can't
spend
dollars
that
way.
B
So
what?
But
that
would
not
if
we
did
build
a
park,
I'm
just
saying
this
example.
If
the
cra
chose
to
build
a
parking
garage
on
cra
property,
because
the
council
hasn't
made
it
part
of
their
capital
improvement
projects,
yet
would
that
be
considered
since
it
would
be
city
owned?
Would
that
be
considered
building
a
brick
and
mortar
which
we're
not
allowed
to
do.
D
No,
no
you're,
you
are
allowed
to
do
brick
and
mortar.
That's
where
you're
supposed
the
brick
and
mortar
is
what
you're
trying
to
do.
The
question
is:
is
that
the
kind
of
project
that
would
be
permissible
so,
for
example,
you
can't
do
a
brick
and
mortar
police
station
unless
you
have
certain
other
things
in
place
like
interlocal
agreements
and
it's
a
community
policing
thing
you
can't
build
a
new
city
hall.
Could
you
build
a
parking
garage?
Maybe
it
depends
on
how
that
addresses
the
slum
or
blight?
D
B
Then
I
have
one
more
one
more
thing:
real,
quick.
You
had
that
one
slide
and
I
wasn't
able
to
write
it
down
fast
enough
when
it
talked
about.
We
didn't
have
to
return
money,
tiff
money
anymore.
There
was
four
options
I
want
to
say
was
that
as
of
september
30
this
year,
that
did
that
what
I
saw.
B
A
B
Okay,
I
just
wanted
to
know
if
that
was
something
I
just
had.
You
know
the
last
thing
I
just
asked,
and
I'm
I
mean
I
was
I'll,
try
to
be
polite
and
respectful,
and
I
know
that
the
communications
lately
that
have
been
given
to
us
has
made
me
a
bit
of
a
fiery
francis
and
so
I'm
trying
not
to
take
offense
to
that
comment.
I
did
take
a
personal
cliff
just
so
you
know,
because
I
have
very
been
very
frustrated.
It's
probably
the
best
way.
I
can
say
it
in
five
points.
B
Oh
just
you
know
be
patient,
polite
and
respectful,
and
I
know
that
I
have
been
a
little
bit
fiery,
so
I
apologize
to
my
local
or
to
my
other
members,
but
this
isn't
what
we
necessarily
paid
for
right,
cliff
you're,
going
to
still
provide
us
a
breakdown
of
our
stuff
and
what
we
can
yeah.
D
We
sent
today,
I
think
bill,
probably
can
tell
you
we
sent
today
the
first
part
of
the
work
product,
for
I
think
it's
called
task
number
one
or
something
like
that,
but
yeah
we
I
was
sent
in
before
we
started
today.
I.
B
A
Your
point
francis
this
was
originally
this
meeting
was
originally
to
hear
the
results
of
the
shepherd
firm
analysis
on
that.
The
chairman
requested
that
because
of
the
issues
and
the
talk
and
the
confusion
about
the
budget,
that
we
moved
the
training
up
to
this
meeting
so
now
the
regularly
scheduled
meeting
for
this
month.
Mr
shepard's
firm's
presentation
on
the
downtown
plan.
Consolidation
is
the
first
item
on
that
agenda
and
that
will
be
on
the
24th.
I
think.
B
C
If
I
may,
mr
chairman,
mr
graham
questions
yeah,
so
one
or
two
quick
questions
cliff,
you
said
that
we
could
not
give
to
nonprofits
that
correct.
D
You
cannot
give
to
non-profits
that
are
not
in
any
way
furthering
the
work
of
the
downtown
plan
and
to
just
to
donate
to
a
nonprofit
who's,
doing
good
work,
even
if
it
happens
to
be
in
the
district.
D
Wow,
it's
an
interesting
question.
You
you
have
the
first
issue
of
of
whether
or
not
that's
a
an
issue
that,
depending
on
what
the
decorations
are
we
talking
a
creech.
Are
we
talking?
You
know
lights
and
candy
canes,
but
but
on
us
on
an
absolute
level
there
there
would
be
a
good
argument
to
be
made
again
depending
on
whether
marketing
is
in
your
budget
or
in
your
plan
that
you
could
treat
that
as
a
marketing
expense
to
try
to
attract
people
to
come
down
and
patronize
your
cra
businesses
whatever
is
down
there.
D
It
says
the
ag
opinion
says
that
they
prefer
the
cra
favors
cra
statute,
favors
bricks
and
mortar
development,
and
not
essentially
soft
kinds
of
costs
like
job
training
and
such
as
that,
but
but
he
goes
or
he
or
she.
I
can't
remember.
I
think
he
goes
on
to
say.
I
cannot
say
that
you
would
not
be
allowed
to
spend
marketing
to
market
your
cra,
but
that
same
opinion
says
you
can't
give
money
to
nonprofits.
So
that's
what
it
says.
A
D
C
You
thank
you.
Thank
you
cliff
and
thank
you
ashley.
Let
us
begin.
This
is
gonna,
be
a
very
hopefully
detailed
conversation
and
I
would
pose
to
everyone
that,
as
we
move
along
with
this
it
because
it
is
now
about
4
25,
we
lose
sam
at
five.
If
there's
a
desire
to
keep
going,
we
can't
if
it.
C
If
we
get
into
the
really
details
on
this,
we
could
also
buy
your
as
you
wish,
take
the
rest
of
it
to
the
meeting
on
the
24th
as
well,
but
we
are
under
time
frames
on
the
on
the
budget,
so,
let's
get
into
it
and
let's
get
our
questions
ready
in
terms
of
process
ashley.
Thank
you.
C
F
Well,
hello,
I'm
ashley
gossett,
I'm
the
cfo
here
with
the
city
bill
asked
me
to
give
a
little
talk
about
the
budget
process
that
the
city
utilizes
in
the
interest
time.
I
think
I've
got
some
items
that
overlap
with
mr
shepherd
and
city
attorney
ambrosio,
so
I'll
kind
of
fast
forward
through
those
first
is
a
kind
of
overview
of
what
the
budget
timeline
looks
like
this
city.
It
begins
its
budget
process
in
january,
with
initial,
like
initial
revenue
and
expense
projections.
F
F
In
april,
the
operating
budgets
are
developed,
which
is
the
payroll
projections,
the
general
operating
costs
and
they're
presented
to
the
city
manager
in
may.
F
In
august
we
begin
the
workshops
presenting
almost
a
fully
formed
budget
to
the
city
council
and
also
to
the
cra
it'll
go,
I
believe
in
the
next
meeting
in
august,
the
cra
will
be
asked
to
review
its
budget
and
then,
in
the
month
of
september,
the
city
council
adopts
both
the
budget
and
the
millage
rate,
and
the
city
council
does
adopt
the
cra
budget
as
well.
So
if
we
can
go
to
the
next
slide,.
F
F
So
you
can
go
to
the
next
slide,
so
the
operating
budget.
You
know
the
payroll
costs
are
largely
driven
by
the
city's
pay
plan
and
the
union
contract
projections
and
then
the
professional
services,
which
is
where
we
would
incorporate
the
cra
plan
objectives
when
there
was
a
study
desired
or
legal
fees,
those
would
go
there
and
then
the
maintenance,
which
is
a
relatively
new
item.
F
As
bill
mentioned
earlier,
we
had
maintenance
programs
adopted
into
the
cra's
plan
and
to
reiterate,
the
downtown
maintenance
program
states
that
it
has
to
be
an
elevated
beyond
what
the
city
would
normally
do,
and
the
south
beach
plan
allows
for
tiff
funnies
tiff
monies
to
be
used
to
maintain
what
the
tiff
had
funded
to
build
and
then
the
other
operating
costs
that
are
in
you
know
their
minor
internal
service
charges,
bank
fees,
etcetera
and
then,
if
you
can
go
to
the
next
slide,
so
just
a
quick
little
graphic
on
the
difference
between
the
operating
budget
and
the
capital
budget.
F
The
operating
is
the
year
over
year,
personal
services,
professional
service
maintenance
and
the
downtown
cape
officers.
The
capital
budget
reflects
the
plan,
infrastructure,
improvement
projects
or
other
projects
developed
by
the
cra,
and
then
the
cape
any
vehicle
and
equipment
replacements
needed
by
the
downtown
policing
initiative.
F
You
can
go
to
the
next
slide,
so
the
cra
is
considered
a
dependent
special
district
according
to
the
florida
statutes,
and
that
is
because
the
board
is
appointed
by
the
city
council
and
because
it
is
a
dependent,
special
district.
It's
bought.
Its
budget
is
contained
within
the
budget
of
the
local
governing
authority,
and
so
that
means
that
the
annual
budgets
that
are
produced
must
be
adopted
by
both
the
cra
and
the
city
council
and
anytime.
The
budget
is
amended.
It
has
to
be
adopted
by
both
the
cra
and
the
city
council.
F
F
So
if
we
develop
something
this
year,
we
can
put
it
into
the
original
budget
and
it
would
be
included
in
the
original
budget
adoption
and
an
example
of
that
is
the
south
beach
ocean
project,
terrorist
construction
that
had
been
in
the
cip
plan
and
it
was
advancing,
and
so
we
anticipate
in
fiscal
2020.
We
will
move
forward
with
that
project.
F
A
fourth
way
that
projects
can
be
budgeted
out.
Oh
can
we
go
back
one
a
fourth
way
that
projects
can
be
budgeted
as
imminent,
and
this
is
something
comes
before
the
agency
and
you
all
approve
it
and
council
approves
it,
and
we
do
a
budget
amendment
in
the
current
year
and
an
example
of
that
is
the
camera
system
that
was
just
approved
by
both
the
city,
council
and
cra
in
the
last
month.
A
And
one
point
I
want
to
add
to
that
is
in
terms
of
that
additional
cameras
and
additional
camera
equipment
and
enhancement.
The
cra's
job
when
that
was
brought
to
you
was
to
say,
is
this
in
support
of
a
cra
directive.
Well,
the
downtown
police
caper.
The
cape
unit
is
a
specific
objective
of
the
downtown
cra,
and
this
camera
system
is
vital
to
the
enforcement
of
that
cape.
So
the
cra
correctly
said.
Yes,
this
is
in
support
of
our
directives
for
the
downtown
district
and
they
approve
the
additional
expense.
A
F
So
if
we
can
jump
to
the
next
line,
the
second
question
that
was
asked
is
what
triggers
a
city
council
approval
for
purchases.
So
the
c,
according
to
the
state
statutes
that
mr
shepard
talked
about
earlier.
The
cra
must
procure
all
commodities
and
services
under
the
same
purchasing
processes
and
requirements
that
apply
to
our
city.
F
So
our
city's
purchasing
policy
says
that
the
city
council
must
award
all
competitive
bids,
even
if
the
project's
already
in
the
budget
is
especially
when
we
have
these
infrastructure
projects.
You
know
we
set
aside
the
money
for
it,
but
then
we
put
out
the
rfp
and
we
decide.
We
need
want
to
award
it
to
a
particular
vendor.
That
award
must
be
approved
by
the
city
council.
So
that's
where
you'll
see
it
go
to
the
agency
and
then
on
to
the
council.
F
Our
purchasing
policy
also
says
that
if
there's
an
expenditure
over
twenty
five
thousand
dollars-
that's
not
already
in
the
budget,
it
has
to
go
back
before
the
council
and
the
cra.
Then
the
council
and
a
third
reason
that
would
trigger
council
approval
for
purchasing
is,
is,
if
we're
entering
into
a
binding
agreement
between
the
vendor
and
the
city.
Our
city
charter
says
that
the
contracts
must
be
signed
by
the
mayor
and
the
city
manager,
and
I
think
city
attorney
ambrosio
spoke
to
that
a
little
bit
earlier.
F
C
A
A
I
just
had
my
budget
the
workshop
with
the
city
council
to
approve
the
proposed
next
year's
budget.
It
is
on
cue
now,
as
we
do
each
year.
The
august
meeting
is
when
the
cra
does
adopt
that
budget.
So
as
soon
as
I
can
get
the
exhibits
based
on
the
council's
approval
of
our
budget
review
the
other
night,
I'm
going
to
get
it
to
the
cra
in
advance
of
even
getting
you
the
agendas
for
that
next
meeting.
So
hopefully.
A
Well,
one
thing
to
keep
in
mind
too,
and
I
believe
this
presentation
during
the
training,
I
think
we'll
make
sure
the
power
points
are
available.
But
if
you
go
back
to
that
flow
chart
that
ashley
produced
one
of
our
first
or
seconds
line
one
of
the
things
we
want
to
get
from
the
cra
and,
on
my
part
too,
we
need
to
identify
at
what
point
in
the
process.
C
C
B
And
I
was
pleasantly
surprised
to
hear
that
things
are
going
to
change
moving
forward,
that
the
cra
will
actually
have
an
opinion
to
help
structure
what
is
presented
to
city
council
prior
to
it
getting
to
this
point,
because
we
have
never
really
had
a
say
in
it,
so
I'm
still
not
excited
to
see.
B
None
of
you
know
none
of
our
wishes
being
really
reflected
going
for
next
year,
but
I'm
excited
to
hear
that
there
might
be
some
changes
and
we
can
pick
when
we're
supposed
to
be
part
of
that
process.
So
I
just
want
to
say
that
that
is
a
good
step,
and
I
just
wanted
everyone
to
know
that
I
did
have
that
meeting
with
him
today
I
will
say
I
had
a
curious
question
in
regards
to
when
ashley
was
saying
like
with
the
the.
B
The
camera,
I
think
it
was
a
camera
and
how
it
was
contracted
from.
I
don't
understand
today's
meeting,
there's
a
difference
between
a
project
or
contract
and
the
contract
does
have
to
be
signed
by
the
mayor
and
city
and
I'm
listening
to
what
you
said
and
I'm
listening
to
what
chris
said
earlier
with
the
bylaws,
and
I
must
be
missing
something-
and
I
will
admit
that
I
might
be,
but
I
listening
to
the
bylaws.
It
feels
like
it's
handy.
B
It's
like
tying
our
hands
together,
looking
at
how
the
processes
are
now
and
then
looking
at
how
anything
like
anything
goes
through
city
council,
with
those
four
bullet
points
on
one
of
your
ashley's
little
like
slides
there,
but
it
had
that
those
four
things
that
we
had
to
go
through
with
the
contract.
There
was
the
capital
improvements
and
there's
a
couple
other
things
where
everything
goes:
25,
000
or
more.
B
Is
there
any,
and
I
hope
that
maybe
we
can
get
this
answer
when
we
talk
to
cliff
again,
but
is
there
anything
we
can
do
or
do
we
have
to
get
the
bylaws
changed?
So
we
can
do
something
because
it
sounds
like
bylaw
way.
We
can't
do
anything
even
though
the
statute
says
we
can.
It
sounds
like
getting
contracts
or
getting
extra
money
or
even
trying
putting
something
in
the
budget.
We
can't
do
because
everything
is
good
for
city
council.
B
It
feels
like
we're
not
part
of
the
budgeting
process
and
I'm
just
making
sure
that
we're
not
irrelevant,
because
if
we
can't
do
anything,
then
we're
just
so
much
of
a
talking
heads
and
I'm,
and
I
know
that
cliff
is
going
to
give
us
what
we
can
and
can't
do
later
and
what's
appropriate
in
our
plan
still.
But
I
guess
my
question
is:
is:
is
there
anything
we
can
do
because
that's
kind
of
where
I'm
feeling
we
have
nothing
to
do
with
this
budget?
It's
going
to
be
presented
to
us.
A
So
if
the
event
that
we're
fortunate
enough
to
get
it
hired
right
when
we
let
this
job
offer
out
it's
already
in
the
budget,
so
that
is
a
positive
effect
the
cra
had
on
this
year's
budget
and
when
we
reviewed
next
next
schedule
meeting
this
month
when
we
review
the
two
different
budgets
for
downtown
and
south
end,
you
will
see
this
active
seated.
Cra
didn't
necessarily
identify
those
capital
projects,
but
our
cips
do
have
capital
projects
that
are
consistent
with
both
plans
that
are
proposed
to
be
in
the
budget
next
year.
A
B
So
if
I
go
through
all
of
our
meetings
for
the
year-
and
I
say
we
as
a
committee-
had
deep
discussions
about
a
through
e
and
a
through
e
we've
multi
mentioned
multiple
times-
we
wanted
to
find
more
money
for
this.
We
wanted
to
include,
you
know,
purchasing
land
we
wanted
like
if
I
go
through,
and
I
say
on
all
these
meetings.
These
are
the
things
that
cra
said
are
those
intense
in
the
budget
or
how
do
we
get
them
in
the
budget
for
next
year?
B
A
I
think
one
thing
that
would
really
help
going
forward
is
when
we
have
these
individually
put
out
items
is
to
make
sure
when
they're
discussed
at
the
end.
We
know
whether
there's
a
consensus
or
not,
and
it
doesn't
just
for
me
well.
I
still
want
to
get
this
done.
We
need
to
have
consensus,
and
when
we
get
to
the
point
where
we
don't,
then
we
need
to
move
on
to
something
else.
A
Do
we
have
consensus
on
this
because
and
it's
not
a
personal
directed
at
any
one
of
the
members,
but
we
get
these
fragmented
inputs
and
we
don't
necessarily
always
flush
them
out.
We
did
flush
out.
We
do
need
it.
I
do
need
help.
Thank
you
very
much.
We
do
need
that
position,
but
some
of
these
other
items
even
go
through
the
minutes
or
listen
to
tapes.
They
weren't
necessarily
already
carried
out
okay
did.
Did
I
get
the
buy
into
the
group?
Do
we
all
agree
to
that?
So
right?
That's
just
a
point.
C
Thank
you
for
your
comments
there,
and
especially
the
opening
about
how,
as
we
take
this
next
approach,
even
with
the
budget
coming
forward.
If
the
stuff
that's
been
identified
and
approved
in
accordance
with
the
plan
and
with
what's
coming
up
on
the
plan,
there's
going
to
be
the
opportunity
as
part
of
the
budget
process
and
amending
the
plan
to
get
everything
that
may
have
been
mentioned
in
these
last
years
on
the
docket
for
discussion
and
decision
making
as
we
move
forward.
C
So
you
you've
set
the
stage,
if
I
may
say,
for
for
for
what's
coming
in
at
the
24th
and
for
next
year
as
well,
especially
as
we
look
at
the
work
of
cliff's,
firm
and
consolidating
the
downtown
plan
and
then
come
back
and
look
at
south
end
as
well.
So
thank
you
for
that.
B
C
G
Okay
about
the
budget,
I
know
the
budgets
are
submitted
for
approval,
I
believe
around
august
now,
sometimes
things
can
be
pretty
fluid.
So
what
happens
during
the
fiscal
year?
If
you
need
to
amend
the
budget?
What
what
do
we
have
in
place
for
budget
amendments.
F
So
that's
a
good
question.
The
state
statutes
recently
changed
for
how
we
budget
projects
we're
now
to
include
them
in
the
original
budget.
But
what
we've
done
in
previous
years-
and
we
may
continue
to
do-
is
we
may
amend
the
broad?
You
may
amend
the
budget
at
any
point
in
time
throughout
the
year
by
resolution.
F
So
previously,
when
we
were
awarding
the
contracts,
we
would
bring
it
to
you
and
it
would
be
a
budget
resolution
budget
amendment
and
it
would
include
the
award
of
the
bid
to
the
vendor
to
complete
the
work.
So
this
the
agency,
has
the
flexibility
throughout
the
year
to
do
budget
amendments
to
add
projects
or
to
change
priorities.
A
On
that
was
my
point
to
propose
amendments
and
provided
the
city
council
and
and
how
you
can
see
that
that's
manifest
is
when
you
get
your
packages
for
one
of
these
mid-year
capital
improvements.
Typically,
the
memo
you
get
is
the
draft
mini
memo
to
city
council
describing
what
that
is
and
you're
getting
it.
First,
it's
the
explanation,
but
it's
like
this
is
the
draft
memo
to
council.
This
is
what
the
this
is,
what
the
items
are
related
to
the
name
it
can.
H
I
guess
it's
just
more
of
a
comment
than
it
is
a
question
the
it
feels
like.
We
don't
have
our
arms
around
what
the
cip
program
needs
to
be
for
both
districts.
I
don't
know
what
we're
looking
at
doing
over
the
next
years.
Some
of
this
has
been
developed.
You
know
some
time
ago
and
yes,
we
have
certain
projects
identified,
but
what
is
the
plan
for
the
cra
for
the
next
27
years?
H
H
What
is
the
plan
that
we
have
as
a
group
to
really
move
this
city
forward
and
that's
where
I
think
we
really
need
to
get
focused,
and
I
don't
see
that
happening.
You
know
there
was
supposed
to
be
a
conversation
in
march
based
on
ashley's
schedule
about
the
cip
program.
That's
when
the
cip
projects
are
adopted
well
agreed,
we
had
the
virus
and
we
didn't
have
those
meetings,
but
I
think
it's
vitally
important
that
we
have
those
meetings.
We
have
those
discussions
and
we
know
how
we're
going
to
proceed
and
move
forward
as
a
cra.
H
C
Well,
if
and
bill
jump
in
here
too,
but
I
think
part
of
that
work
will
begin
at
the
meeting
on
the
24th
when
we
start
looking
at
the
consolidated
downtown
plan
that
cliff's
work
is
doing.
That
will
give
us
some
ideas
on
that
and
then,
as
we
work
through
it
bill,
the
next
thing
would
have
to
be
done.
C
It
would
seem
to
me,
as
a
suggestion,
is,
let's
look
at
the
south
end
as
well
and
get
them
both
on
the
books
to
start
the
conversation
to
to
identify
what
needs
to
be
done
or
what's
been
completed
and
doesn't
need
to
be
done,
but
to
have
a
robust
conversation
about
that
bill.
H
You
know
bill
bill.
Was
your
you're
still
working
on
a
a
budget
for
the
south
district
as
to
the
cip
projects?
From
what
I
understand
based
on
my
list
of
projects
and
other
things
that
public
works
still
thinks
needs
to
be
done,
we
haven't
had
those
conversations,
but
yet
we're
moving
forward
with
a
budget
that
I
don't
think
includes
any
of
that
stuff.
A
A
Not
being
in
the
initial
adopted
budget
is
not
necessarily
negative
and
we
can't
get
it
done,
it's
just
something
we
have
to
do
mid-year
and,
as
ashley
pointed
out,
we've
been
doing
mid-year
budget
mods
historically
for
the
last
30
years.
It's
just
by
statute.
Now
we
have
to
do
it
up
front
and
all
we're
saying
is
our
cips
identify
certain
projects.
We
know
that
are
going
to
go
forward
and
to
when
I,
when
I
send
you
the
proposed
budget,
I'm
also
going
to
send
you
the
public
works
and
park
recreation,
cip.
A
A
H
I
Okay,
with
respect
to
the
upcoming
budget
that
we'll
be
approving
in
our
next
couple
meetings,
one
of
my
areas
of
concern
and
wish
lists-
and
I
assume
shared
by
the
others-
is
enhanced
maintenance,
for
example,
and
that
we're
usually,
I
guess,
presented
with
a
you
know
one
or
two
line
items
in
the
proposed
budget.
I
But
if
we
had
say
parks
and
recreation
and
public
works
come
to
our
next
meeting.
Where
we
talk
about
the
budget
and
go,
I
assume,
there's
a
detailed
line
by
line
cutting
palm
trees.
This
amount
street
pressure
washing
this
amount
and
the
various
other
items
that
will
go
into
the
lump
sum,
300,
000
or
whatever
it
is.
If
we
could
be
able
to
you
know,
get
that
specific.
I
Sorry,
that's
going
to
ring
specific
line
item
and
then
maybe
discuss
what
in
things
might
be
added
or
changed
or
further
enhanced,
rather
than
just
put
putting
that
hunting
that
forward
for
another
year.
Until
we
have
an
administrator.
C
Bill
would
that
be?
Will
that
opportunity
be
there
for
the
during
the
budget
hearing.
A
We've
got
that
opportunity
I'll
make
sure
that
public
works
and
parks
and
maintenance
are
both.
Excuse
me,
parks
and
rec.
I'm
trying
to
think
of
the
maintenance.
Yeah
jason
can
be
there
to
tell
you
in
fact,
the
parks
and
maintenance
maintenance
budget
for
the
south
end.
I
will
tell
you,
I
believe
it's
annually,
fifty
thousand
dollars
we'll
get
the
parks
and
recreation
director
at
the
meeting
to
describe
what's
entailed
in
that.
What
he
thinks
that
will
accomplish.
If
you,
as
a
group,
say,
hey
we'd
like
we
think
we
also
need
to
branch
out.
A
A
A
H
H
A
Them
at
the
meeting
at
the
next
meeting
to
tell
you
what
the
cra
portion
of
their
budget
is,
but,
as
ashley
told
you
it's
excuse
me,
it's
the
departmental
budgets
and
they
already
know
because
of
the
historical
nature
of
our
both
of
our
plans.
They've
had
that
projects
identified
for
many
years,
they're
rolled
into
their
departmental
budgets,
because
practically
they're
the
departments
that
carry
out
the
work
unless,
like
you
said,
if
it's
not
happening
quick
enough
by
your
empowerment,
you
may
say:
hey:
let's
get
a
consultant
to
do
all
this.
We
don't
want.
A
You
know
we
don't
want
to
wait
for
public
works
to
come
up
with
some
scheduled
mulch
program
for
downtown
to
replace
it
with
the
plastic
mulch.
Let's
get
a
private
firm
to
figure
out
what
the
need
is
and
maybe
to
even
do
that
maintenance.
If
public
works
says
well,
we
can't
we
don't
have
the
manpower
to
do
it.
Maybe
the
cra
decides:
hey.
Well,
let's
get
a
private
company
to
do
that.
Enhanced
maintenance!
B
C
B
Going
to
ask
a
question
in
regards
to
hint
that
enhanced
mulch
example:
maybe
ashley
can
help
me
understand
it.
So
if
we
have
in
our
budget-
let's
say
thirty
thousand
or
three
hundred
thousand
dollars
for
maintenance,
and
if
that
includes
what
parks
and
recs
would
want
to
do,
and
they
can't
get
to
it
and
we
as
a
cra
choose
to
not
wait
and
we
as
a
cra,
choose
to
hire
someone
else
to
do
it.
B
I
thought
in
the
past
we
were
told
we'd
have
to
go
into
a
contract
with
someone,
but
with
the
last
stuff
we
were
just
told.
The
contracting
meant
that
we
had
to
go
to
city
council
and
get
the
city
manager
and
the
mayor
to
sign.
Is
there
a
way
we
as
a
cra,
can
hire
bob
local
and
just
have
him?
Do
a
maintenance
thing
or
like
a
like
a
like
a
project
for
us
without
us
having
to
go
through
and
getting
the
whole
budget
re-amended
to
have
that
one
project
done?
F
So
I
I'll
I'll
take
a
stab
at
if
I'm
understanding
like,
if
so,
for
the
example,
the
graffiti
abatement
on
the
pavers
out
in
front
of
latham
plaza.
That's
part
of
the
elevated
maintenance
and
typically
the
public
works
department
engages
the
vendor
to
do
that.
F
If
the
public
works
department
is
otherwise,
you
know
working
on
something
else,
and
the
agency
wants
to
make
sure
those
pavers
get
clean
that
year.
If
we
have
a
contract
already
in
place
for
paver
cleaning,
we
can
the
agency
can
move
forward
with
that,
and
maybe
you
know,
work
with
the
cra
administrator
to
bring
the
contractor
that's
already
engaged
with
the
city
in
to
do
the
work.
B
B
So
then,
is
there
any
way
that
we
could
propose
a
ongoing
contract
with
jospo
local
for
any
miscellaneous
stuff,
or
do
they
have
to
be
specific
like?
Can
they
just
be
at
disposal
at
cra
and
we
as
a
disposal
cra
at
this
maintenance
company
have
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
for
whatever
you
know.
You
know
he
would
do
for
miscellaneous
projects
for
us,
or
does
it
have
to
be
written
down
exactly
what
things
he
would
do
like?
Can
we
just
say,
can
we
we
can?
B
We
have
them,
do
anything
in
this
downtown
area,
for
picking
up
from
anywhere
from
cleaning
up
graffiti
to
changing
out
a
sign
to
changing
out
a
light
to
picking
up
a
wire
through
a
bush
to
any
of
those
things
that
are
are
washing
a
sign
any
of
those
things
that
are
pleasant
trees?
I
guess
is
what
you
could
say
for
living
in
the
environment.
They
make
us
feel
feel
good.
People
feel
like
we're
taking
care
of
it.
B
A
Let
me
give
you
a
specific
positive
positive
answer
to
that
question,
and
this
is
involving
art's
original
punch
list
about
the
concrete
repairs
downtown.
The
reason
that
had
not
happened
was
because
our
we
had
a
concrete
vendor
through
public
works.
Who
did
all
that
hey?
We
need
a
sidewalk
busted
replayer
somebody
knocked
over
the
street
light.
This
bollard
needs
to
be
replaced.
We
didn't
have
that
vendor
public
works
has
a
new
contract
contract.
Excuse
me
a
new
concrete
contractor
on
board
to
do
city
wise
miscellaneous,
concrete
work.
A
We
have
these
identified
repairs
downtown
to
the
extent
that
we
have
monies
available
in
the
maintenance
line
item
of
the
budget
right
now.
That
will
not
have
to
go
to
city
council.
In
fact,
I'm
bird
dogging
them
now
to
get
them
on
arts
punch
list,
because
I
agree
it's
taking
too
long.
Unfortunately,
it's
been
contractually
related,
but
let's
just
say
we
had
those
repairs
identified,
but
this
year
we
had
a
bad
storm
or
something
and
we
exhausted
all
of
our
maintenance
monies.
Then
it
goes
back
to
well
it's
not
in
the
budget.
B
Obviously
we
would
have
to
go
through
city
council
to
get
that
line
item,
but
we
couldn't
just
do
that
as
a
group,
so
we
wouldn't
have
to
do
or
so
we
wouldn't
have
to
use
utilize
a
current
contract.
That's
already
out
there
right,
so
we'd
have
to
get
that
approved
and
is
that
even
legal
to
do
to
have
a
general
handyman
type
contract.
We.
C
A
Just
say:
look
we
want
it
for
for
cost
not
to
exceed
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
a
year.
We
want
to
have
this
contractor
on
the
call
to
do
whatever
comes
up
in
the
downtown
cra.
They've
heard
it
initially
so
during
the
year,
and
if
we've
already
got
them
under
contract,
the
cra
can
say
yeah
we
approved
that
we
approved
that
it
doesn't
have
to
go
back
to
council
because
it
was
already
in
the
original
line.
Item
budget.
Does
that
make
sense,
yeah.
A
I
Just
a
follow-up
on
that
say
at
our
next
meeting
we
all
decided
we
wanted.
There
was
a
wall
on
city
on
cra,
owned
property
and
we
wanted
to
paint
it
blue
and
it's
going
to
cost
100.
We
project
can
we
put
that
in
the
budget
and
then
just
hire
bob
local
without
a
formal
contract
to
paint
it
as
long
as
it
doesn't
exceed
a
hundred
bucks.
I
Assuming
we
can
do
that,
it's
just
you
know:
we've
identified
some,
we
know
it's
gonna
cost
100
bucks.
Do
we
have
to
go
through
a
whole
contract
procedure,
or
can
we
just
find
a
guy
to
do
it.
F
I
I
Things
that
we
would
like
to
see
done
this
year,
but
don't
have
contracts
for
and
get
them
in
the
budget
and
then
some
take
care
of
some
of
them
through
smaller
ones
through
the
bit
one
bid
process.
A
Like
if,
for
instance,
somebody
wanted
to
say
hey,
we
want
to
change
all
the
street
signs
downtown
to
pink.
Well,
that
really
made
and
you'd
have
to
be
hard-pressed
to
try
to
say
well,
yeah,
that's
consistent
with
the
downtown
redevelopment
plan.
That
might
be
a
little
whimsical,
but
it's
probably
a
bad
example
too,
but
it
all
ties
back
to
if
it's
in
the
plan
you
can
spend
the
money
on
it.
If
it's
not,
you
can't.
C
A
C
G
A
Recap
to
the
members
we
do
have
a
regularly
scheduled
meeting
on
august,
the
24th
and
just
as
it
is
every
year
that
is
when
I
will
be
bringing
the
cra
budget.
That'll
have
two
attachments,
one
attachment:
well,
it's
a
three-page
attachment
first
page
is
a
summary
of
both
districts
together,
then,
an
individual,
detailed
budget
for
each
district
and
the
other
item.
The
first
item
is
cliff's
firm
will
present
their
consolidation
of
the
downtown
plan
work,
and
I
will
get
you
the
information
that
cliff
has
sent
me.
A
J
Jim
jim,
this
is
jim.
This
is
mike.
I
have
a
quick
question
and
I
apologize
for
jumping
onto
the
meeting
late.
I
was
in
a
previous
meeting
in
the
first
half
of
the
meeting.
Was
there
any
conversation
or
discussion
regarding
south
end
tif
reduction?
J
J
Okay,
I
think
that's
something
that
probably
needs
to
be
addressed
with
the
cra
sooner
rather
than
later,
and
while
we
still
have
a
majority
of
the
cra
members
on
the
line,
I'd
like
to
express
why,
when
I
joined
the
organization
18
months
ago,
the
process
for
reducing
the
south
end,
tiff
collection
had
already
started
from
an
administrative
perspective,
and
the
reason
being
is-
and
I
know
bill
has
mentioned
this
several
times
in
the
past-
is
that
the
majority
purpose
of
the
south
end
cra
had
been
accomplished,
which
was
to
take
the
slum
and
blight
of
undeveloped
land
and
turn
it
into
appropriately
developed
land
in
the
south
end
district,
that
included
commercial
professional
office
and
residential
development,
along
with
the
roadway
network
and
the
utilities
to
support
it.
J
The
conversation
has
been
with
regards
to
reducing
that
south
end
tiff
and
making
the
transition
from
new
capital
to
operation
and
maintenance
of
the
existing
capital
that
had
already
been
built.
The
reason
I
say
this
is
a
conversation.
Conversation
that
needs
to
be
held
sooner
rather
than
later
with.
The
cra
is
from
the
perspective
that
the
finance
department
had
already
started
the
process
of
relying
on
a
portion
of
the
general
fund.
J
We've
just
held
a
series
of
community
conversations
where
the
overwhelming
majority
said
we
wish
we
were
more
like
the
south
beach
area,
so
the
more
that
we
invest
and
build
up
the
south
end
with
what
what
might
be
perceived
as
projects
that
aren't
necessary,
but
are
just
nice
to
have
it's
going
to
create
a
larger
disparity
with
the
central
and
northern
portions
of
the
city,
because
there
are
general
fund
revenues
that
are
trapped
within
that
tif
district.
That
cannot
be
used
for
things
such
as
the
enhancement
of
penman
park,
north
of
beach
boulevard.
J
So
I
know
that
there
is
a
desire
from
many
of
the
cra
members
to
quote
not
give
money
back,
but
they
also
need
to
remember
a
portion
of
that.
Money
is
not
just
the
city
of
jacksonville's.
It's
also
the
city
of
jacksonville
beaches,
which
will
supplement
making
enhancements
in
other
portions
of
the
city
where
there
is
currently
no
investment
in
redevelopment
in
some
of
these
amenities,
because
it's
all
being
spent
at
the
south
end.
So
I
think
that
there
needs
to
be
some
conversation
about
if
there
is
going
to
be
a
reduction.
H
And
mike
also,
what?
What
is
the
actual
amount
that
we're
talking
about,
because
when
you
get
down
to
it,
if
we
talk
50
reduction
of
that
50
percent,
65
percent
of
it
goes
back
to
the
city
of
jacksonville
and
the
city
of
jacksonville.
Beach
gets
35
percent,
which
amounts
to
what
maybe
700
800
000
dollars.
J
I
can.
I
can
take
you
to
cra
districts
around
the
state
that
are
truly
still
fighting
a
slum
and
blight
issue
and
and
I'll
be
honest
with
the
cra.
When
I
got
here
to
the
city
of
jacks
beach
and
I
drove
through
the
south
end
of
the
district,
I
struggled
to
find
what
I
would
define
as
slum
and
blight.
J
So
I
just
want
to
put
that
on
everybody's
radar
that
it's
not
an
issue
that
we
should
take
lightly
and
it's
not
something
that
we
should
plan
on
doing
projects
in
that
south
end
tiff
that
are
just
nice
to
have
or
might
be
perceived
as
as
icing
on
the
cake
for
the
rest
of
the
city.
While
the
rest
of
the
city
is
looking
to
just
get
sidewalks
get
some
street
trees
or
get
their
park
improved.
H
H
H
nobody's
been
able
to
tell
me
which
ones
have
been
completed,
which
ones
haven't
I'm
trying
to
understand.
What
is
the
scope
of
what
we
have
left
to
do
and
nobody
has
their
arms
around
that
aspect
of
it
and
before
we
start
talking
about
giving
money
back,
let's
make
sure
that
we
all
are
in
agreement
as
to
what
these
items
are.
J
But
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
the
cra
is
is
along
the
same
lines
that
just
because
we're
planning
on
collecting
over
100
million
dollars
doesn't
mean
we
need
to
figure
out
how
to
spend
100
million
dollars.
The
the
cra
is
established
for
a
purpose
and
when
that
purpose
is
achieved,
the
cr
anything
that
you
continue
to
do
in
the
cra
starts
to
raise
the
eyebrows
of
the
overarching
governing
agencies,
which
would
be
both
the
county
and
the
state.
J
We
don't
want
to
be
like
south
florida,
where
they
started
spending
money
on
things
such
as
promotional
concerts
and
resulted
in
all
sorts
of
issues
and
a
statewide
statewide
process
of
trying
to
eliminate
cras
in
their
entirety.
We
don't
want
to
be
the
poster
poster
child
for
mismanagement
of
cras
or
going
too
far
off
the
rails
right.
B
So
mike
can
I
can
I
assume,
or
would
it
be
accurate
for
me
to
say
that,
for
those
talks
that
we
have
in
regards
to
the
south
district
should
include
completing
said
things
we
know
the
city's
overall
objective
is
so
we
actually
can
utilize
as
much
of
the
money
before
releasing
any
said
funds.
For
example,
your
green
scape
set
everyone
and
all
those
meetings
we've
been
in.
Let's
make
sure
that
those
are
completed
in
our
area
before
releasing
said
funds,
and
in
addition
to
that
is
my
understanding
and
bill.
B
You
can
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
on
this,
but
the
big
playground
area
we've
not
been
able
to
put
maintenance
on
any
of
that
because
they
were
donated
or
they
are.
They
were
not
created
or
built
by
us
as
a
capital
improvement
project.
So
would
it
make
more
sense
for
us
as
a
cra,
to
build
those
like
to
knock
them
down
and
recreate
them
or
make
them
better
enhance
them?
So
we
have
future
control
of
maintenance,
or
is
that
something
the
city
budget
would
take
care
of?
If
we
didn't.
A
Unless
they're
willing
to
do
it
again
and
replace
it
on
their
own,
then
the
cra
would
have
the
or
the
city
would
have
the
ability
to
demolish
that
structure
and
the
cra
would
have
the
ability
to
provide
some
amenity
in
its
place
and
once
the
cra
would
provide
it,
then
the
cra
could
fund
it.
So
if
we.
B
Didn't
if
we
didn't
replace
so
maintenance
can
be
maintained
on
those
areas
and
if
we
rece-
and
I
know
we
can
have
a
whole
discussion
about
this
later-
and
I
I
know
but
I'll
just
make
sure
I
clarify
it
and
if
we
said
the
tiff
money's
gone,
is
it
my
assumption
that
that
donated
or
we
you
know
the
city,
not
city
built
structure
would
still
fall
underneath
general
funds
for
maintenance
and
they
could
then
take
over
the
maintenance
of
it.
A
B
That's
all
I
really
want
to
know.
We
can
have
a
bigger,
deeper
discussion
about
that
area.
Later.
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
I
understood,
because
I
know
the
cra
money
we
have
coming.
We
could
replace
that
park
and
use
those
funds
that
way,
but
if
there's
no
point
in
that
and
the
city
still
have
maintenance
to
do
so,
then
it
makes
no
sense
to
waste
said
money.
That's
that's
what
I
was
getting
at
a.
A
A
J
You
and
francis
for
your
benefit.
There
is
500
000
currently
in
our
cip
in
2004
to
replace
the
playground
equipment
at
sunshine
park.
I
do
not
recall
if
that
is
proposed
with
cra
money
or
proposed
with
general
fund
money
and
ashley.
I
don't
know
if
you
have
your
budget
handy,
but
it's
page
67
of
the
cip.