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A
All
right,
you
know
guys,
I
don't
have
an
agenda.
B
D
I'm
sorry
I
I
gotta
tell
you
honestly.
I
had
to
scramble
having
set
this
meeting
up
within
a
week
of
our
of
our
first
meeting.
That's
that
was
a
huge
hustle
and
I
dropped
out
getting
you
the
paper
copies,
but
given
the
value,
the
volume
and
this
nature
of
it,
if
I
did
get
everybody
their
notebooks,
I
just
neglected
to
attach
an
agenda.
I'm
sorry,
it
will
not
happen
again.
A
All
right,
so,
let's
call
this
community
redevelopment
agency
workshop
together.
Let
the
record
show
it
is
october.
The
7th
wednesday
at
508
p.m.
Madam
clerk,
if
I
get
you
to
call
the
roll,
please.
A
A
I'm
here
well
guys
I
apologize,
I'm
not
quite
sure
what
happened
with
the
audio.
I
actually
had
to
call
back
on
a
different
number
and
that
one
worked.
We
have
two
items
on
our
agenda
today
for
discussion.
I
want
to
let
you
guys
know
before
we
get
into
it
bill.
Man
is
going
to
have
to
leave
early
because
he's
got
personal
issues.
A
I
think
it's
his
son's
birthday
and
I'm
going
to
have
to
leave
I'm
going
to
have
to
leave
today
at
six
o'clock
so
francis,
if,
if
you
could
take
over
after
six
o'clock,
if
for
some
reason,
we're
still
going
I'd
appreciate
it.
E
E
E
She
walked
me
through
the
process
which
I'm
happy
to
report
to
you.
Bill
mann
is
to
have
a
series
of
questions
in
place
and,
if
all
goes
well,
this
position
should
be
posted
this
week
and
yougov.com
a
special
thing
that
patient
that
is
available
to
post
all
all
job
postings
in
the
government.
For
this
particular
position,
we
are
also
giving
her
information
to
fos
posted
with
the
florida
redevelopment
association
and
the
florida
economic
development
committee
council,
as
well
so
it'll,
be
in
those
three
places.
E
It
will
be
out
for
an
approximately
30
days
max,
I'm
not
sure
exactly
what
karen
finally
decided
upon
that.
I
said
no
more
than
30
days,
they
will
immediately
start
vetting
vetting
applications
that
come
in.
There
are
a
couple
of
requirements
that
are
very
important.
Any
veteran
must
be
interviewed.
That
applies,
and
this
is
being
advertised
nationally
to
make
sure
it
works.
The
plan,
then,
would
be
in
november
about
a
month
from
now
or
less.
E
The
vetted
applications
would
be
in
and
ready
to
go
for
interviews
so
that
the
person
could
be
presented
to
you.
The
first
part
of
january,
I
have
to
say
karen,
is
an
extremely
great
human
resources,
professional
and
the
city
is
glad
to
have
her
the
the
difficult
and
she
also
had
to
be
the
one
responsible
for
approving
the
final
job
description
and
putting
it
in
the
correct
format
for
the
city
and
they've
had
that
for
a
while
government
is
slow,
but
at
least
progress
is
being
made.
D
E
E
C
And
bill,
I
don't
know
if
you
want
to
add
the
detail
about
the
slight
wording.
That
was
changed
because
cra
administrator
is
not
an
actual
position
that
exists
right
now.
D
Oh,
that's
yeah!
Let
me
let
me
tell
the
board
about
that.
When
I
we
had
the
several
edits
that
the
agency
recommended
when
we
reviewed
the
job
description,
one
of
them
that
you
wanted
to
remove
the
planning
and
development
director
reference
in
terms
of
the
immediate
supervisor.
D
Factually
though
we
cannot
leave
just
to
wording
saying
this,
the
cra
administrator
would
be
the
direct
supervisor,
because
the
cra
administrator
position
does
not
exist
within
our
pay
plan.
So
if
and
when
down
the
road
that
cra
administrator
or
cra
executive
director
position
comes
up,
we
will
amend
the
pay
plan
and
that
reference
will
be
made
that
the
program
manager
would
would
report
directly
to
the
cra
administrator.
But
right
now
we
had
to
leave
that
in
as
planning
a
development
director,
because
that's
how
our
pay
plan
is
currently
structured.
E
E
The
first
thing
that
you're
going
to
see
on
the
sheet
is
the
southern
group,
the
gilmore
hagan
group
merged
with
the
southern
group
in
tallahassee,
a
statewide
organization
that
has
offices
in
every
major
metropolitan
area
of
our
state.
In
order
to
expand
our
capacity.
We
have
picked
up
three
additional
employees,
which
will
give
us
greater
capacity
to
serve
all
of
our
clients,
and
I
wanted
to
let
you
know
that
I
invite
you
to
look
up
the
southern
group
online,
but
we're
very,
very
happy
to
be
a
part
of
the
southern
group
right
now.
E
The
second
thing
I
want
to
talk
about
is
before
we
get
into
this
particular
presentation
and
that's
the
deliverables
that
are
in
there
in
terms
of
our
contract.
First
off
the
draft
job
description
was
done,
complete
and
we're
online
to
get
that
done,
nothing
happens,
quick
in
government,
but
winning
takes
longer
than
losing
and
that's
underway.
E
The
next
thing
that
we
do
have
to
work-
and
I
think
we're
beginning
to
do
this
today
with
some
of
france's
comments
about
downtown
that
we
would
want
to
move
into
the
south
beach
redevelopment
area
as
well.
Well,
even
though
we're
going
to
start
that
you're
going
to
start
that
planning
process
in
january,
we
do
want
to
talk
about
at
least
now.
It
would
seem.
E
Some
of
the
specific
project
programming
needs
that
you
have
in
mind
as
a
result
of
reviewing
the
plan
for
downtown
and
also
building
south
beach
as
well.
So
that's
what
I
want
to
mention
to
you.
We
are
got
all
done.
I
think,
except
for
that
last
part,
and
and
that's
that's
an
important
part.
I
know
we're
coming
up
on
the
holiday
season,
but
we've
got
october
and
I
don't
know
I
assume
you're
gonna
have
a
meeting
in
november.
We
can
work
to
get
that
done
completely
and
with.
A
A
A
E
You
it's
I'd
like
to
have
a
picture
of
is
the
new
whole
foods.
I'm
excited
about
going
there.
E
E
Program
manager
will
be
the
first
point
of
contact
program
manager
will
work
closely
with
the
board,
chair
and
administrator
to
create
agendas
for
meetings
and
training
sessions,
see
our
staff
will
give
short
monthly
briefings
to
the
board
on
items.
The
city
council
is
reviewing
that
may
impact
the
cra.
E
The
cra
staff
will
submit
brief
written
summaries
monthly
to
the
city
council
on
cra
board
activities.
The
cra
staff
may
give
quarterly
presentations
to
the
city
council
thanks
chandra
kate
meetings
with
briefings
will
continue.
This
next
part,
we
think,
is
important.
These
points
we
think,
are
important
at
each
monthly
board
meeting.
There
will
be
a
representative
from
one
of
the
city
departments
to
provide
an
oral
briefing
on
activities
that
impact
the
cra.
E
Each
february,
the
cra
program,
manager
and
city
finance
department
will
organize
a
budget
preparation
process
for
the
next
fiscal
year.
With
the
board
each
february,
there
will
be
a
review
of
the
cra
plans
to
determine
any
necessary
amendments
to
program
projects,
as
well
as
potential
additional
projects.
E
Next
slide:
well,
that's
the
internal
suggest
any
any
questions
or
comments
about
the
internal
strategy
that
I
think
some
of
the
key
points
there
are
are
making
sure
we
lock
you
lock
in
a
process
where
you're
going
to
get
these.
These
briefings
from
the
department
back
to
you
and
to
the
program
manager
that
you're
going
to
be
engaging.
A
A
E
A
Just
as
long
as
they've
made
their
meeting
with
the
guy
that
we
hire
our
executive
director
or
whatever
you're
calling
right,
I
mean
that's,
that's
all
I
really
care
about.
I
just
want
to
know.
What's
going
on,
I
mean,
if
it's
necessary,
to
bring
him
in
then
that's
fine,
but
what
I
don't
want
to
do
is
drag
you.
E
A
B
I'll
second,
you
art
as
well.
I
did
have
a
question
about
the
liaison
liaison.
I
kind
of
felt
this
person
was
going
to
be
that
person.
You
had
one
bullet
point
in
the
beginning.
Maybe
it
went
too
fast
and
I
didn't
completely
get
to
read
it,
but
there
it
was
my
understanding
that
they
would
be
the
one
in
contact
with
all
those
people
and
they
would
give
us
a
review
and
if
they
thought
that
they
needed
more
backup
information,
they
would
invite
those
people
in.
E
Francis,
I
think
that's
a
great
idea.
This
was
intended
to
be
comprehensive
and
for
you
to
to
to
change
it
and
make
it
work
for
you.
D
One
thing
on
that,
though:
jim
francis,
the
that
nick
chandler
can
you
go
back
to
the
first
slide.
That's
the
council
liaison
that's
a
liaison
between
the
city
council
and
the
cra,
not
city
staff
and
the
cra.
D
No,
this
is
the
direction
that
the
city
council,
as
on
in
their
activities,
need
to
appoint
an
initial
point
of
contact
rather
than
the
cra.
Just
the
chair
going
to
a
city
council
meeting.
If
at
a
meeting
you
come
up
with
a
directive
or
something
you
would
like
to
discuss
the
city
council,
our
first
thing
would
be
to
reach
out
to
this
one
person
on
city
council:
that's
a
liaison
and
they
can
bring
it
up
to
the
next
city
council
meeting.
It's
just.
C
D
As
an
independent
group,
I
don't
think
they
need
to
be
at
each
council
meeting,
but
it
may
be
that
city
council
says:
hey
they
direct
their
liaison.
Could
you
go
to
the
next
cra
meeting
and
relay
what
we've
discussed
tonight,
because
with
this
virtual
environment,
they
can
hear
all
our
meetings
and
watch
them.
We
can
hear
all
their
meetings
and
watch
them.
So
it
kind
of
it's
duplicative,
but
I
think
it's
good
to
have
a
consistent,
dedicated
go-to
person
on
council
that
we
can.
You
can
be
our
conduit.
E
Bill
and
if
I
may,
mr
chairman,
chime
in
on
that
point,
we
have
interviewed
or
that's
not
the
right
word-
we've
had
conversations
with
the
mayor
and
all
the
members
of
the
city
council,
with
one
exception,
we've
been
unable
to
schedule
anything
with
councilman
doherty,
and
I
and
let
me
say
that
everyone,
every
member
of
the
city
council
and
every
one
of
you
have
said
these
everything
that
we're
talking
about
right
now.
E
There
is
a
communication
gap
between
the
city
council
and
you
and
you
and
the
city
council.
So
this
recommendation
was
a
ways
and
means
to
help
address
that
and
of
course,
as
pointed
as
also
in
this,
the
person
that
you
hire
will
be
a
direct
staff
liaison
to
all
the
city
departments
and
the
city
council
as
well.
F
Yes,
I
do.
I
was
reading
the
candidates
summaries
on
beach's
watch
this
afternoon
and
one
of
the
questions
they
asked
of
each
of
them.
F
Each
of
them
was
regarding
the
amendments
governing
super
majority
to
eliminate
or
remove
the
city
manager,
and
one
of
them
it
sounded
like
was
prohibiting
any
contact
between
city,
council,
members
and
city
or
direction
from
city
council
members
to
city
staff
and
also
the
same
rule
would
apply
to
board
members
and
city
staff.
F
A
I
can't
answer
that
question
because
I
haven't
read
the
amendment
either.
That
sounds
a
bit
that
sounds
a
bit
overreaching.
G
If
I
may
heart
gary
yeah,
you
know
just
to
help
clarify
and
from
what
I
understand
in
reference
to
that
amendment.
It
correlates
more
with
what
the
city
charter
already
says,
and
that
is
that
the
ceo
of
the
city,
the
city
manager,
is
responsible
for
staff
and
any
direction
the
staff
has
to
come
from
the
city
manager
that
city,
council
or
board
members
cannot
direct
city
staff.
We
can
meet
with
them
and
get
information,
but
we
can't
direct
them
as
to
what
to
do
in
their
daily
responsibilities.
A
That
sounds
like
that
sounds
a
little
problematic
to
me
because
that
this
person
is
supposed
to
be
working
for
the
cra.
I
mean,
I
guess,
maybe
we'll
be
telling
bill
mann
and
then
he
will
tell
that
person
what
to
do,
or
vice
versa.
I
just
there's
a
there's
a
disconnect
there
and
I
don't
know
legally
what
we
need
to
do
to
fix
that.
A
Well,
currently,
the
way
it
reads-
and
I
don't
know
what
the
amendment
is-
I
haven't
read
it,
but
currently
everything
is
supposed
to
go
through
the
city
manager.
Elected
officials
aren't
supposed
to
be
reaching
out
to
the
general
staff
to
have
them
to
give
them
direction,
to
tell
them
to
do
different
things.
A
That's
all
supposed
to
channel
through
the
city
manager
I
mean
for
the
most
part,
the
last
city
manager
was
fine
with
you
talking
to
any
of
the
other
managers
just
as
long
as
the
managers
came
and
told
them
what
it
was
talked
about,
or
you
told
them
what
you
talked
about,
but
you
know
they
still
want
to
have
that
open
communication.
A
B
Are
I
kind
of
when
I
read
it
just
so?
You
guys
know
why
it
didn't
concern
me
too
much
is
since
we're
not
elected
on
the
board
and
we're
appointed
on
the
board.
I
took
it
more
in
lines
that
it
didn't
directly
affect
somebody
that
we
are
actually
hiring
to
work
with
our
board.
So
that's
how
I
read
it
but
bill.
I
would
appreciate
some
kind
of
clarification
as
well.
Yes,
ma'am.
G
To
make
is
you
know,
I
thought
the
the
outline
of
these
criteria
is
right
on
as
far
as
I'm
concerned,
I'm
appreciative
of
what
jim
and
taylor
have
done,
and
you
know
concur
with
with
the
direction
that
this
is
going.
E
I
can
read
all
this,
but
I'm
going
to
sort
of
just
tell
you
this.
This
whole
section
talks
about
the
necessity
of
the
program
manager,
establishing
and
maintaining
relationships
with
businesses,
property
owners,
organizations,
beaches
watch,
chamber
of
commerce,
division,
downtown
vision
coalition
to
make
sure
that
that
person
is
out
there.
E
It
asks
that
the
program
manager
prepare
a
list
of
all
those
people
in
the
cra
areas
and
establish
working
relationships.
We
would
if
this
is
acceptable
to
you
something
we
would
begin
to
collect
now,
so
that
that
person
doesn't
have
to
do
that
and
well,
we
didn't
put
in
in
there
on
a
regular
schedule,
but
that
the
program
manager
really
must
plan
meetings
with
business
owners
and
these
other
stakeholders
to
report
and
monitor
outcomes
of.
E
That's
important
in
terms
of
just
external
communications
relationship
building,
because
I
can
recall
even
walking
around
with
jeff
and
I
would
think
jeff.
I
considered
you
at
that
point
being
a
cra
board
member,
but
someone
that
lives
in
the
neighborhood
and
you
could
point
something
out,
and
that
would
be
a
part
of
this
person's
responsibility
to
go
with
you
and
others
to
identify
those
elements
and
get
it
back
into
the
proper
agency
within
the
city
to
make
sure
they
were
correct
or
corrected,
and
then
report
back
to
everyone
that
the
job
has
been
done.
E
And
I
heard
that-
and
this
is
this-
is
not
just
downtown
gary.
This
is
also
true
in
the
south.
Beach
area,
as
well
with
points
that
you've
talked
about
next
slide
program
manager,
first
line
of
contact
for
vendors
and
contractors
again
building
on.
What's
before
conducting
maintenance
and
capital
projects,
I
consider
those
contact
for
vendors
and
contractors,
an
external
relationship
as
opposed
to
an
internal
relationship,
although
they
certainly
go
together
now.
I
know
bill
has
started
on
this
next
next,
one
as
well
responsible
for
completing
a
map
of
parcels
available
for
development
or
redevelopment.
E
I
think
francis
talked
about
that
very
eloquently
in
in
her
comments
in
this
next
section,
but
this
is
for
south
beach
and
and
downtown,
and
then
the
cr
staff
was
responsible
for
outreach
to
property
owners
and
developers
that
may
have
an
interest
in
doing
something,
and
this
would
be
a
relationship
building
externally,
but
then
tying
back
to
the
planning
department
staff
has
to
be
burst
in
economic
incentives
available,
and
we
really
look
forward
in
talking
to
you
about
the
toolbox
next
time.
E
I
have
to
tell
you
that
marketing
promotion.
I
know
how
to
write
this
because
I've
seen
it,
but
I
don't
know
how
to
do
it.
I'll
be
the
first
to
say
that.
But
it
is
important
to
have
a
direct
and
coordinated
marketing
program
for
the
cra
for
your
external
audience
and
your
external
audience
is
everyone
that
we
talked
about
before.
E
But,
more
importantly,
it's
everyone
and
it's
the
residents,
the
business
owners,
the
tenants
to
know
exactly
what's
going
on
and
those
marketing
materials
will
have
to
be
developed
and
and
you've
got
the
downtown
branding
and
marketing
section
for
the
business
plan
amended
to
redevelopment
plan
is
needed
to
implement
minutes
goes,
you've
got
a
wayfar
finding
signage
plan,
you've
got
an
art
plan,
that's
all
about
marketing
and
promotion,
and
and
and
this
again
is
downtown
and
south
beach
and
the
program
manager
would
work
with
the
city's
communication
director
to
consider
creating
social
media
accounts.
E
Everyone
is
doing
twitter,
instagram
and
facebook.
I'm
not
sure
how
that
works,
because
I
would
depend
upon
my
wonderful
colleague
taylor
to
talk
about
how
you
twit
instagram
and
facebook,
because
I'm
not
one
of
them.
I
like
facebook
because
it
reminds
me
when
your
birthdays
are,
but
that's
about
it
next
slide.
Please
and
that's
it.
A
A
quick
question
for
you:
what's
and
I
don't
know
the
answer
to
this-
I'm
just
kind
of
I
guess
thinking
out
loud,
so
the
rest
of
the
board
can
kind
of
chime
in
what
is
this
person's
position
interacting
bill?
We
don't
have
marilyn
mont-hay
doing
downtown
events
anymore.
I
don't
know
who
in
the
city
handles
that,
but
how
would
this
person
interact
with
that
person.
E
D
One
point
in
the
wayfinding
signage
master
plan:
we
did
call
for
the
design
and
location
suggestion
on
a
digital
market,
a
digital
reader
board
sign
that
will
list
for
pedestrians
primarily
well
and
for
people
driving
on
first
street,
because
you
drive
fairly
slowly
on
first
street
but
right
in
the
vicinity
of
the
west
wall
of
the
band
shell.
That
just
is
basically
a
calendar
of
events
or
you
know
if
it's
got
holiday
stuff
like
that
it
could
be
incorporated.
But
that
would
be
a
high
resolution.
E
Idea
we'll
put
that
special
events
person
in
listed
in
here.
A
Of
everything,
our
man
or
woman,
that
should
have
the
pulse
of
everything
that's
going
on
in
the
downtown
area.
So
when
something's
going
to
happen
like
there's
going
to
be
an
event,
they
should
be
able
to
reach
out
to
their
network
and
let
all
the
downtown
people
know
you
know.
This
is
what's
going
to
happen.
First
street's
going
to
be
closed.
Second
street's
going
to
be
closed.
Third
avenue
is
going
to
be
closed.
Whatever
the
deal
is
you
know,
that's
why
I
was
asking
about
that
that
interaction
between
those
two
I
will
write.
E
E
That
to
that
yeah
you're
welcome,
and
I
would
also
say
that
I
wanna,
I
think
francis
you're
becoming
a
community
redevelopment
planner.
Your
comments
in
this
next
section
are
are
very
well
thought
out
with
that,
I'm
going
to
meet
myself.
A
D
I
do
have
a
couple
of
comments,
not
objections
or
criticisms
along
the
way,
but
just
a
little
input
and
maybe
just
a
little
slightly
different
point
on
how
some
of
the
policies
were
read,
but
they're
limited
to
that
first
two-page,
descriptive
document:
you
know
your
summary
they're
limited
to
that
the
rest
of
it
I
think,
speaks
for
itself.
Okay,.
B
B
If
we
really
do
want
to
take
the
ball
and
actually
be
proactive,
I
think
that
we
have
to
wrap
our
head
around
these
different
documents
that
affect
us.
So
it
may
be
a
couple
steps
back.
I
thought
it
was
important
for
us
to
see
where
things
came
from
before
we
even
talked
about
the
plan.
B
That's
why
I
put
the
book
together.
I
did
my
book
has
a
lot
more
flags
in
it
than
yours.
So
hopefully
I
don't
miss
misdirect,
you
guys,
but
I'm
just
going
to
walk
through
where
I
was
when
we
were
talking
last
week
in
regards
to
why
I'm
questioning
how
we're
going
to
move
forward
and
we
as
a
cra
should
decide
if
we're
going
to
move
forward
or
ask
the
council
to
do
joint
meetings
to
create
a
new
one.
B
I
will
be
the
first
one
to
say
that
I
have
been
a
person
that
says
we
have
a
plan.
We
have
a
plan,
we
have
a
plan,
let's
get
it
implemented.
Why
are
things
not
happening?
I?
I
will
fully
admit
that
that
has
been
me
for
the
past
eight
years
and
I
finally
feel
like,
after
all
this
work,
which
art
I
really
appreciate
you
getting
the
guillermo
group
or
the
southern
group
now
involved.
B
I
did
not
have
that
network
and
I
appreciate
it
because
the
work
with
them
and
the
work
with
the
attorney
has
really
helped
me
really
get
my
head
around.
It
was
a
shepherd
group
so
adjust
to
reiterate
and
kind
of
walk
through
the
book.
For
those
of
you
guys,
I
did
just
a
real
quick
summary
what
I
said
to
you
guys
about
those
policies
bills.
B
You
said
there
was
a
couple
of
them
that
I
might
have
misunderstood,
but
when
we
get
to
that,
you
just
mind
just
chiming
in
and
telling
me
what
it
is
specifically.
So
I
can
get
my
head
around
it.
So
there
are
still
from
what
I
read.
There
are
still
four
corridors
that
are
the
meat
of
our
downtown
area.
The
first
tab
really
truly
was
just
the
land
code.
I
know
we
don't
deal
with
the
land
code
so
much
in
the
cra,
but
the
land
code
basically
is
saying:
hey.
B
There
is
a
central
business
district.
It
references
that
there
is
lots
of
flexibility
and
that
it
references
our
comprehensive
plan.
That's
really
what
those
two
the
whole
point
of
that
tab
is
and
there's
a
lot
more
in
there
that
we
as
a
cra
don't
need
to
know,
but
it's
what
the
city
of
jacksonville
deals
with,
and
those
were
the
two
parts
that
I
personally
thought
we
needed
to
at
least
know
where
it
stemmed
from
so,
unless
you
guys
have
questions
on
that,
I'm
going
to
move
to
the
next
tab.
C
D
Just
one
point
one
point
about
the
cbd
zoning,
and
this
is
not
a
right
or
wrong.
I'm
just
telling
you
experientially.
I
mean
I've
been
involved
with
the
cra
in
this
position
for
several
years,
but,
for
instance,
the
comment
about
how
the
zenith
gallery
came
to
existence
well,
dick's
height,
even
recognized
positively
the
existence
of
the
zenith
gallery
in
that
corridor
and
even
though
they
stressed
residential
development,
they
also
acknowledged,
even
within
that
corridor,
it
was
going
to
be
a
mix
of
uses
and,
right
now
again
it's
not
a
positive
or
negative.
D
But
how
that
plan,
how
the
cra's
involvement
in
the
cbd
district
regulations
is
that's
what
leads
you
to
the
rd
rezonings
if
a
project
exceeds
50
000
square
feet,
and
this
goes
back
to
when
we
were
not
courting
or
not
trying
to
shy
away
both
home
depot
and
lowe's.
We
came
up
with
what
we
call
the
big
box
ordinance
and
it
set
a
threshold
city-wide
that
any
project
over
50
000
square
feet
could
only
be
achieved
through
rd
rezoning
in
the
downtown
district
or
pud
rezoning
in
the
south
or
elsewhere
in
the
city.
D
So
the
cra
was
involved
with
that.
The
cra
supported
that.
So
we
do
have
that
small.
Well,
that's
a
fairly
significant
residential
element
and
the
fact
that
everybody
may
have
a
different
opinion
that
we
did
not
back
several
years
ago.
Purchased
the
small
apartment
building
across
from
there
is
because
that's
an
existing
establishment,
viable
residential
building
number
one
number.
Two.
D
We
were
way
miles
apart
on
what
the
agreed
to
price
was,
so
that
I'm
just
telling
you
historically
that's
the
extent
to
which
the
cra
has
been
involved
with
review
of
development
plans,
whether
it's
in
this
corridor
or
anywhere
in
the
cbd.
It's
when
they
trip
that
50
000
square
foot
threshold,
so
the
other
issue
is
dix.
Height
came
up
with
a
set
of
design
guidelines
and
we
have
already
incorporated
design
guidelines
that
were
tara
cell
mary.
That
was
not
with
dick's
height
that
was
formerly
with
gladding
jackson.
D
When
they
prepared
the
vision
plan,
we
actually
incorporated
detailed
site
design
and
lot
layout
standards
that
were
prepared
by
that
firm
to
replace
our
old
cv,
standard
cbd
standard,
for
that
said,
zero
front
yard,
zero,
rear
yard,
80
lock
coverage.
So
those
two
elements
have
been
incorporated
and
they
are
in
furtherance
of
the
vision
plan.
But
I
just
want
you
to
put
that
in
context
of
what
you
feel
going
forward.
We
may
have
not
done
or
have
successfully
done
in
the
fourth
avenue
corridor.
That
was
my
only
point.
F
Just
so,
we
have
a
common
understanding,
a
lot
of
talk
of
corridors
and
then
street
you
know
uses
along
a
street
like
first
street.
What
happens
at
the
intersection
that
new
bar
that's
currently
unoccupied,
that's
on
first
street
and
it's
on
the
pure
corridor.
What
governs
or
does
it
have
to
meet
both
or
is
it
the
street
address.
D
They
were
independent
properties.
I
don't
know
if
that
were
all
to
be
redeveloped
today.
I
would
imagine
that
entire
block
would
exceed
50
000
square
feet,
so
that
would
become
a
cra
obtainable
development
project,
but
they
just
happen
under
existing
zoning
and
because
it's
part
of
the
mix
of
uses
in
that
corridor
it,
I
don't
feel
it's
necessarily
conflictive.
I
don't
think
the
re.
The
residential
corridor
means
it's
going
to
be
nothing
but
residential
down.
That
block.
B
Jeff
I
can
interject
as
well
just
and
maybe
bill
can
tell
me
if
I'm
not
misunderstanding
these
documents,
and
this
is
why
we're
having
this
discussion,
because
we
can't
really
move
forward
if
we
don't
all,
have
a
full
firm
understanding
of
it.
It's
my
understanding
that
those
corridors
technically
fall
and
I
will
say
up
front:
there
was
no
official
zoning.
There
was
suggestions
in
the
downtown
area.
I
never
found
anything
that
said
yes,
it
must
be
this.
B
It's
just
suggestions
and
then
all
that
land
code
and
the
in
the
comprehensive
plan
says
we
have
all
this
flexibility.
It's
just
suggestions
and
there's
a
lot
of
people.
I've
talked
to
who
are
adamant
that
it
was
zoned
I
can't
and
bill.
I
could
be
wrong.
I
could
be
wrong
that,
but
the
suggestions
I
understand
about
those
end
caps
or
those
corridors
you're
talking
about
jeff,
it
looks
like
it's
suggested
that
they
are
either
retail
village
or
hotel
use,
not
necessarily
restaurant
or
commercial.
B
C
Yes,
I
think
you
pretty
much
addressed
one
of
my
concerns.
I
know
once
you
get
past
that
50
000
square
feet,
threshold
you're,
looking
at
a
pud,
a
planned
urban
development
that
is
outside
of
our
purview
then,
and
where
do
we
go
from
there.
D
Okay,
slight
correction:
on
that
in
the
downtown
district,
it's
a
redevelopment
district
zoning
and
that's
not
outside
of
your
purview.
That's
specifically
down
your
alley!
So
that's
when
you
do
open
up
the
redevelopment
plan
and
say
wow
they're
doing
this
significant
level
of
redevelopment.
How
is
it
consistent
or
inconsistent
with
the
downtown?
You
know
with
our
adopted
plan.
F
D
If
you
look
in
our,
am
I
muted
I'm
sorry
if
it's,
if
you
look
in
the
central
business
district,
the
standards
that
were
developed
by
the
consultants
that
we
incorporate
into
the
downtown
district,
they
designate
streets
as
a
streets
b,
streets
or
pedestrian
streets
and
the
different
designation
of
the
streets,
and
it's
all
the
streets
in
the
core
downtown
area
that
they
they
called
out.
That
dictates
on
that
particular
street.
D
F
I
guess
so,
in
other
words,
basically,
we
just
consider
sounds
like
it's
up
to
us
or
up
to
the
developer
to
come
up
with
the
use
and
it's
not
governed.
D
Uses
in
the
cbd
when
it
comes
up
to
the
cra,
if
it's
a
project
that
has
different
street
frontages,
it
has
to
go
to
the
cra.
But
still
in
the
background,
the
cbd
zoning
will
tell
you
hey.
This
property
is
on
a
and
I
can't
tell
you
off
the
top
of
my
head,
which
streets
are
what
but
first
street's
a
very
sensitive
street.
So
that's
one
of
the
streets
that,
if
you
put
a
multi-story
structure
and
realistically
any
multi-story
structure
going
forward
in
the
immediate
future,
will
have
parking
on
it.
D
It
has
to
because
we
have
to
preserve
our
background
public
access
parking.
So
it's
just
telling
you
on
those
certain
designated
streets.
You
have
to
have
this
element
on
the
first
floor,
but
it
doesn't
tell
you
what
you
have
to
have
on
the
upper
floors.
It
doesn't
say
that
commercial
cladding
needs
to
extend
through
floors.
Two
and
three.
It
may
be
that
somebody
says:
hey:
let's
put
some
workforce
housing
on
the
second
floor
and
third
floor
and
then
you've
got
one
building,
that's
providing
a
mix
of
use
so.
A
B
And
then
that
was
one
of
the
reasons.
Sorry
I
I
logged
out
for
a
second,
but
that
was
one
of
the
reasons
bill
when
we
were
talking.
I
was
just
generalizing
the
discussion
for
today
about
the
rd
rezoning.
I
don't
have
a
list.
B
It
doesn't
fit
the
parameters
that
we
have.
What
were
the
exceptions
for,
and
why
did
it
happen?
I'm
not
saying
it's
bad
or
good.
I'm
just
saying
it
puts
an
un
conforming
lot
amongst
the
village
or
the
corridors
that
we're
supposed
to
be
following.
So
that's
all
I
was
saying
with
that.
So
when
we
were
talking
last
week,
the
reason
I
I
focused
on
the
fourth
corridor
through
all
of
this,
so
we
can
see
how
we're
going
to
move
forward
is.
B
If
you
look
at
that
map
that
I
gave
you
guys
at
the
very
very
back
that
says
what
property
we
own
and
what
property
city
owns,
we
really
only
own
property
on
the
on
the
pure
corridor.
Now,
so
that's
like
the
very
very
last
section
of
you,
guys's
binders.
It
should
be
like
the
third
map
I
put
in
there,
but
there
is,
if
I'm
right,
we
only
have
property
between
fourth
and
third
north
that
is
actually
owned
by
the
cra.
B
The
rest
of
it
is
owned
by
the
city,
and
I
could
be
wrong
with
that.
That's
the
only
reason
I
really
focused
on
that.
So
that's
and
clearly
we
have
to
if
the
city
had
their
property
and
they
chose
to
do
something
on
it.
It's
my
understanding
that
they
would
have
to
come
to
us
to
see
if
it
qualifies
for
the
plan
that
we're
responsible
for-
and
I
wanted
to
see
if
any
rd's
rezoning
was
on
any
of
those
properties.
B
So
we
could
plan
ahead
before
something
is
proposed
to
us,
and
I
know
that
it
doesn't
happen
until
after
something's
proposed,
but
I'm
assuming
things
in
the
past
have
come
up
and
other
recommendations
have
come
up
and
they
didn't
go
through
and
maybe
something
like
that
would
help
us
see
where
the
city
may
end
up
going
to
be
a
little
bit
more
prepared.
So
that's
why
I
mentioned
already
zoning.
So
I
didn't
understand-
and
that's
also
why
I
mentioned
the
the
museum.
B
B
B
You
all
have
different
tabs
because
I
just
went
and
bought
eight
packs
and
just
did
four
four
four,
but
the
third
time
you
know
I
tried
to
put
these
together
after
our
meeting.
I
put
them
together
and
got
them
to
your
office
by
10.
The
next
day.
Bill
didn't
even
need
help.
D
B
I
did
that,
and
I
didn't
even
ask
my
intern
to
help.
Aren't
you
proud
so
anyway?
Okay,
so
this
third
tab.
This
is
why
I
really
wanted
to
talk
to
you
guys.
So
if
we
hone
in
on
the
fourth
or
the
pure
corridor
right,
there
was
a
tab
in
there
that
I
had
where
it
was
gray
and
it
explained
how
the
old
wording
was,
and
now
we
don't
really
have
to
go
into
that
one.
But
if
you
go
to
page.
B
Okay,
so
it's
vision,
plan,
page
41..
I
think
for
you
guys
it's
the
second,
maybe
third
tab.
I
have
a
lot
more
tabs
on
you
guys.
I
should
have
removed
all
mine,
but
but
it's
the
one
where
it's
page
41
and
it
talks
about
the
four
corridors.
We
have
the
gateway
corridor,
civic
corridor,
pure
corridor
and
the
retail
corridor,
and
we
can
look
at
the
map
later,
but
those
are
exactly
the
same
color
coding
I
did
on
those
maps
in
the
last
tab.
B
So
like
jeff,
when
you
look
at
that
one,
you
can
see
that
those
end
caps
are
technically
in
the
retail
village
or
the
retail
corridor,
which
is
green.
You
can
see
that
the
residential
corridor
that
you
know
so
you
can
see
kind
of
some
coordinating
coordination
with
that,
but
on
page
41
it
describes
the
four
corners
there
in
green
green
for
his
color
code
means
it's
still
good
to
go.
We
don't
look
at.
We
don't
look
at
the
gray,
we
don't
look
at
the
blue
and
the
purple.
Wasn't
the
other
color
purple.
B
I
can't
remember
at
this
point
we
look
at
green.
That's
all
I
remember
so.
Yellow
yeah,
so
we
look
at
green,
maybe
blue,
because
blue
can
be
a
gray
line
for
us,
but
we
can
really
look
at
green
because
it's
100,
accurate
and
blue
can
be
discussed.
So
that
being
the
case,
this
just
just
describes
what
those
quarters
are
like.
I
said
I'm
focusing
strictly
on
the
peer
corridor,
because
it's
relating
to
the
properties
we
currently
own-
and
I
know
we've-
had
discussions
about
buying
more
and
what
have
you,
but
so
page
43.
B
There's
those
three
specific
points
I
mentioned
in
my
little.
Like
summary,
why
I
wanted
to
meet
with
you
guys?
So
if
we
visualize
and
we
as
a
cra,
look
at
12
through
19
as
what
the
plan
basically
says,
we
should
consider
in
those
areas
based
off
the
mandate
we've
been
given.
B
I
don't
I
don't
know
if
we
as
a
group
can
make
this
happen
and
that's
why
I'm
questioning
do
we
need
to
have
a
discussion
with
cr
with
the
city
council
about
axing
it
looking
at
all
these
properties
that
don't
fit
in
this
plane
anymore
and
create
a
whole
new
one
or
if
we
as
a
cra,
say
you
know
what
we
have
one
we're
going
to
move
forward.
So,
let's
just
go
through
them,
real,
quick
right,
so
12
it
talks
about
parking
on
4th
avenue.
North
that's
been
pretty
much
taken.
B
Care
of
we've
got
development
and
new
peer
parking,
so
I
don't
know
if
any
of
you
guys
remember
ken
marsh
always
showing
that
picture.
Hey,
there's
plan.
We
just
have
this
beautiful.
You
know
peer
area,
and
I
know
you
guys
saw
me
get
a
little
hot
when
it
came
down
to
them,
showing
us
designs,
and
I
was
like
it's
not
very
creative
and
what
have
you?
So
that's
really.
What
it's
talking
about!
Stop
is
talking
about
family
friendly
action.
B
B
So
that's
something
we
as
a
group
should
discuss
how
that's
going
to
be
addressed
with
the
city,
because
they
can
do
all
the
plans
they
want
without
consulting
us
until
they
present
it
to
us-
and
we
say
yes,
it
fits
or
doesn't
so,
not
sure
how
we
as
a
group,
feel
about
that.
Do
we
want
to
talk
about
that
now
or
should
I
go
keep
going
on
bill?
Well,.
D
Just
one
observation
you
can
keep
going,
but
one
point
on
that.
I
do
believe
that
that
recommendation
for
a
an
active,
green
space
park
right
at
the
end
of
the
fourth
avenue
corridor,
was
predicated
on
a
land
swap
either
with
mr
hyannis
for
that
vacant,
sliver
just
south
of
casa
or
from
mr
hyannis
and
the
property.
That's
got
the
pier
cantina.
That's
now
going
to
be
the
spring
hill
suites
restaurant.
C
D
A
I
think
you're
limiting
yourself.
I
my
impression
of
what
the
city
council
wants
us
to
do.
What
I
thought
our
marching
order
is
is
basically
to
control
the
downtown
area,
so
it
doesn't
matter
if
it's
sierra,
if
it's
cra
owned
or
for
city
owned
they're,
going
to
take
our
recommendation,
I
mean
that
doesn't
mean
they
have
to
approve
it,
but
any
projects
that
we
want
to
propose
before
the
city
council.
I
I
I
don't
think
it
matters
just
as
long
as
it's
government-owned.
It
doesn't
matter
if
it's
owned
by
the
city
or
the
cra.
B
B
How
do
how
do
we
go
about
doing
that
as
a
group,
and
so
we
can
decide
if
this
is
something
we
as
a
group
want
to
move
forward
with
to
propose
for
next
year
or
the
you
know
at
least
have
on
the
capital
improvements
for
the
next
four
to
four
years
like
how
do
we
go
about.
A
Well,
we
just
we
just
finally
got
to
the
point
where
actually
we're
not
even
there,
yet
we've
been
reactive,
this
entire
time
we're
trying
to
be
proactive,
and
I
think
part
of
our
proactivity
is
bringing
on
this
program
manager
that
was
talking
about
that
program
manager
actually
reaching
out
to
you
know
either
entertaining
different
developers
coming
in.
You
know,
being
pie
in
the
sky
coming
off
ideas
that
they'll
come
and
bounce
off
to
the
board,
and
then
we
can.
A
We
can
come
up
with
some
kind
of
a
a
a
a
public
private
partnership
or
something
else
along
those
lines.
We
can
kind
of
work
out
some
of
those
details
and
approach
the
city
council.
About
that
I
mean
I
I
think
that's
what
we're
trying
to
get
to
we're,
just
not
quite
there
yet.
B
So
then,
if
I
can
extend
that
question
out
more
maybe
for
for
ken
and
you
guys,
I'm
sorry
we're
kind
of
having
this
debate,
you
guys
are
there,
but
so
moving
forward,
then
bill.
So
are
we
able
to
address
our
budget
moving
forward
for
us
to
do
preliminary
drawings
for
capital
improvements?
We
want
to
propose
to
the
city
who
owns
property.
D
D
I
don't.
If
you
do
an
rfq,
that's
a
request
for
qualifications.
Sometimes
those
respondents
will
actually
not
do
a
full-blown
plan,
but
they'll
come
up
with
a
hey.
This
is
what
you
could
do
on
this
property.
One
thing
in
this
whole
discussion
and
I
don't
mean
to
be
disjointed
but-
and
I
didn't
hear
it
firsthand,
but
I
was
made
aware
that
at
the
beaches,
watts
accounts
or
candidates
forum,
the
other
night,
all
of
the
candidates
were
asked
if
they
supported
or
what
their
opinion
was
about.
D
The
potential
of
revisiting
building
height
downtown
and
I've
got
to
tell
you
whether
it's
our
cra
in
london,
lots
or
the
city
lots.
That
is
huge
in
terms
of
what
you
can
do
with
those
properties,
the
residential
corridor,
then
jeff
jones
jeff's
concerned
about
well.
If
it's
a
reason,
if
it's
a
residential
corridor,
but
it
says
we
got
to
put
commercial
on
the
first
floor
that
becomes
moot
if
you've
got
a
fourth
and
fifth
floor
above
second
and
third
floor
parking.
D
It
could
be
all
you
know:
housing
our
apartments,
condominiums
or
whatnot,
and
I
think
that's
key,
and
I've
always
said
that.
So
just
keep
that
in
mind
that
we
could
do
a
study
based
on
what
the
current
condition
is
now
or
we
get
our
new
city
council
on,
and
it
may
be
a
topical
subject
for
them
early
on,
and
I
know
who
I'm
speaking
to
when
I
say
this
too.
So
it's
kind
of
going
to.
D
I
just
realized
that
I'm
like
oh
yeah,
but
I
think
that's
part
of
the
conversation
and
I
wouldn't
pull
that
plug
too
early.
Until
we
get
a
read
about
what-
and
it's
got
to
go
to
a
vote
of
the
people,
it
has
to
be
a
referendum
vote
to
revisit
that
height
gap
and
if
they
say
no,
then
at
that
point
it'd
be
appropriate
to
say:
okay,
we're
at
three
stories.
What,
realistically,
should
we
plan
on
being
able
to
do
it
at
three
stories?
Does
that
make
sense.
B
Yep,
so
here's
what
I
would
propose
to
the
team,
which
is
what
we
are.
I
would
propose
that
we
as
a
group,
decide
to
discuss
how
much
money
we
want
to
add
to
our
february.
Discussions
for
budgeting
for
proposed
capital
objects,
capital
projects
that
we
want
to
tackle
the
next
three
years.
It
may
not
be
this
one
specifically
but
or
even
find
a
reference.
If
there's
something
already
works,
I
know
there's
that
vision
plan,
but
I
don't
think
there's
actual
contracts
or
bids
out
there
for
that
peer.
B
B
As
a
group,
I
don't
know
if
it's
something
we
have
to
discuss
now,
but
I
know
that
we
will
be
having
or
whoever
is
on
the
council
on
the
membership
will
have
the
ability
to
increase
or
discuss,
adding
it
to
our
budget
in
february,
since
it'll
be
the
first
time
the
cra
has
a
chance
to
do
that,
so
I'm
just
putting
that
as
a
flag,
something
that
I
think
we
should
consider.
B
Where
do
we
want
to
add
money
so
now
that
we
know
the
process
is
if
we,
as
a
group,
want
to
move
forward
with
a
capital
improvement
recommendation
on
property
that
we
don't
own
the
process.
Is
we
have
money
on
the
budget?
So
we
can
commission
ideas
and
then
we
can
present
it
to
the
council.
That's
what
I'm
understanding
from
this
discussion.
D
Just
so
you
know
it
just
doesn't
mind,
I
don't
mean
to
be
the
school
marble,
you're
good.
It's
a
separate
line
item
capital
projects.
Our
projects
are
identified
for
construction.
There
is
a
line
item
for
professional
services
and
consultant
services,
the
professional
services
or
jim
and
taylor.
That
would
also
be
consultants,
doing
site
studies,
mastering
studies,
parking
demand,
studies,
that's
in
the
professional
services,
it's
only
after
we
get
a
recommendation
and
we,
you
know
we
get
a
bunch
of
respondents
who
say
yeah
we
like
this
project,
then
it's
bid
out.
D
B
That's
good,
so
if
the
professional
services
or
consultant
services,
whichever
it
would
fall
under,
I
just
think
we
as
a
group
should
consider
that
when
we
talk
about
budget
going
forward
okay,
so
that
was
I'm
just
going
to
keep
moving
because
I
know
we
have
a
timed
constraint-
and
I
appreciate
you
all
being
patient
with
me,
because
I
really
did
try
and
wrap
my
head
around
this,
and
it's
been
so.
I
appreciate
it.
So
we
could
just
move
down.
To
I
mean
there's
a
whole
bunch
of
them.
B
Has
a
residential
commercial
development?
That's
relocate
restrooms!
That
was
done
well,
it
says,
relocate
them
that
are
near
the
kazamina.
I
personally
think
that
obviously
would
go
hand
in
hand
whatever
we
recommend
for
that
area.
If
we
choose
to
and
then
it
goes
to
this
whole
perk
parking
lot.
B
So
I
don't-
I
don't
know
if
you
guys
notice,
if
you
look
at
the
other
one
says,
develop
a
public
parking
garage
to
serve
beach
users
and
the
retail
areas
in
that
corridor,
and
then
there's
also
introduce
multi-use
residential
in
that
corridor
which,
like
you
said
pierpoint,
has
that
and
then
there's
also
introducing
a
roundabout,
which
I
personally
think
our
roundabouts
are
a
joke.
But
that's
beside
the
point
so
but
make
it
to
where
it
can
calm
the
traffic.
B
B
B
We
have
a
lot
that's
right
across
from
that
which
is
itty
bitty,
and
we
have
the
right
behind
the
ritz
and
they
were
kind
of
the
whole
block
could
be
ours
and
we
could
fulfill
a
parking
need
and
we
could
fulfill
the
multi-mixed
residential
and
we
could
feel
like
every
one
of
those
could
be
filled
if
we
had
that
whole
block
or
a
big
chunk
of
that
block
with
this
mandate.
But
the
question
is,
is
if
I
am
on
third
next
to
jeff's
place.
B
Do
I
want
a
big
three-story
building
next
to
the
big
metropolitan
and
does
that
fit
with
the
whole
idea
of
our
downtown?
So
that's
kind
of
where
I
was
thinking
and
the
other
last
point
before
I
open
up
to
you
guys
is.
If
you
look
at
the
comprehensive
plan,
there
is
a
section
in
there
that
I
think
needs
to
be
rewarded
or
addressed
for
us,
because
a
lot
of
people,
I've
talked
to
about
the
peer
parking,
keep
harping
on
how
the
wording
is
it's
not
as
convenient
if
it's
across
the
street.
B
So
that
would
be
something
we
as
a
siri
would
have
to
address.
Too.
Do
we
try
to
incorporate
parking
at
whatever
we
do
at
the
pier,
or
can
we
convince
people
that
moving
across
the
street
and
providing
safe
passage
across
first
street
by
removing
cars
from
it
would
be
just
as
convenient?
And
so
that's
why
I
wanted
you
guys
to
talk
with
me
today,
because
I
don't
know
where
to
move
forward,
because
if
I
look
at
this,
I
don't
know
how
we're
able
to
accomplish
it.
D
Let
me
can
I
leave
one
comment
before
I'm
sorry
gary,
but
just
because
I've
got
to
go,
I
think
we
need
to
do
this
for
each
corridor
and
then
look
go
back
and
look.
Okay,
look!
We!
We
think
we
decimated
each
one
of
these
plans
enough
that
maybe
we
just
need
to
come
up
with
a
new
plan
and
use
the
elements
that
we
haven't,
decimated
or
contrarily.
We
think
that
still
got
enough
teeth
and
then
maybe
you
want
to
consider
revisiting
the
threshold
at
which
new
or
redevelopment
projects
come
to
the
cra.
That
was
simple.
D
That
would
require
a
land
development
code
amendment
just
to
drop
the
ceiling
for
what
requires
rd
rezoning
and
that
that
manifest
puts
it
under
the
the
cras
guys,
as
the
initial
development
stop.
B
D
At
the
end
of
this
okay,
if
this
I'm
going
to
sign
out
at
this
point-
and
I
think
you
have
to
leave
I'll
leave
it
to
the
chair-
I
just
formally
signed
off
the
chairmanship
to
francis-
if
you,
if
you
do,
have
to
leave
art
thanks
all
and
I've
got
this
I'll,
have
the
youtube
channel,
I'm
just
leaving
for
now.
I
will
hear
this
first
thing
in
the
morning
when
I
get
into
work
so
y'all.
C
F
B
Bills
always
said
we
had
to
keep
the
same
amount,
but
if
you
look
at
the
original
plan
that
we're
obviously
my
office
building
is
where
parking
was
supposed
to
be
so
clearly,
my
building
is
one
of
the
ones
that
doesn't
comply,
but
they
were
able
to
get
quotes
for
a
two-story
parking
garage
that
held
400
parking
spots.
That's
more
than
that
more
that
than
that's
in
that
parking
lot
now,
so,
even
from
back
in
the
80s,
their
plan
had
a
two
girl
car
garage
or
two-story
garage
that
held
more
parking.
D
Let
me
this
is
going
to
be
my
swan
song
because
I
do
need
to
leave,
but
that
works
not
just
in
our
comprehensive
plan.
It's
with
our
continuing
contract
with
the
corps
of
engineers
for
beach
renourishment.
So
it's
a
matter
of
looking
at
that
language
in
different
places.
The
intent
is
to
not
decrease
the
amount
of
beats
access
parking
because
otherwise
the
core
is
not
going
to
participate
in
re-nourishing
our
beach,
because
as
much
as
it
is
for
cladding
coastal
hurricane
cladding,
it's
for
residential
recreation.
D
I
mean
with
jax
beach,
so
the
comp
plan
does
not
get
as
specific
as
many
people
do
on
both
sides
of
that
argument.
Well,
is
it
just
as
convenient
across
first
street
yeah?
I
think
it
is,
would
it
be
as
convenient
if
we
just
place
first
street
parking
between
second
and
third?
No,
I
don't
think
it
is,
but
just
simply
going
across
one
street.
I
don't
think
that's
any
less
less
accessible.
That's
my
profession
have.
F
D
D
No,
sir,
and
it
also,
we
also
have
it,
I
believe
in
the
coastal
management
element.
We
have
it
that
we
won't
diminish
it
and
we
actually
came
up
with
that
policy
in
our
comprehensive
plan
to
support
beach
access
for
our
residents
and
for
visitors,
and
then
I
think
the
core
just
picked
up
on
and
said,
yeah.
Well,
we
want
to
include
that
as
one
of
our
mandates,
but
I
don't
know
the
specifics
of
that.
That's
we
can
look
into
it,
though.
Okay.
D
Well,
a
first
floor
of
parking
and
because
of
our
new
standards,
the
first
30
feet
of
depth
in
that
parking
on
the
first
floor
has
to
be
some
type
of
commercial
space
and
then
the
second
and
third
floors
may
be
purely
commercial.
That
may
increase
beach
access
parking
at
that
location
and
may
allow
us,
or
whoever,
at
that
point,
to
decrease
the
amount
of
parking
in
the
red
slot
and
put
it
out
for
commercial.
You
know
put
it
out
for
commercial
development.
D
D
Engineers,
I
don't
know,
we'd,
have
to
look
at
it
in
the
comprehensive
plan
first
and
I
think
we
would
reach
out
at
when
we
do
a
proposal
if
a
proposed.
If
an
amendment
to
the
comp
plan
is
proposed
to
address
that
policy,
I
would
think
we
would
informally
reach
out
to
the
corps
of
engineers
to
see
if
it
compromises
our
ability
for
future
beach
renourishment,
because
it
takes
a.
B
A
I'm
glad
you
put
this
together.
My
only
concern,
I
guess
the
only
thing
I
was
going
to
say
and
we're
maybe
just
a
hair
premature.
I
I
think
we
need
to
make
sure
we
get
the
guy
on
board.
That's
going
to
be
running,
going
to
be
running
the
show
for
us
and.
A
A
We
don't
know
what
the
hell
is
going
on
with
the
spring
hill
suite
and
we
don't
know
what's
going
on
with
the
old
dolphin
depot
property,
and
so
I
I
think
we
need
to
get
a
better
understanding
and
maybe
that
just
maybe
that
comes
down
to
dragging
both
those
developers
in
to
sit
down
and
talk
to
us
because
we're
going
to
start
making
plans,
but
we
need
to
know
where
they
are
rather
than
we're,
checking
the
market.
We're
doing
this
I
mean
so
after
we
do
that.
A
B
All
right,
all
right,
you
have
a
good
night.
How
do
you
pass
the
chair
to
me
and
then.
B
F
B
Okay,
gary,
you
can
go
next
and
then
sam
will
get
you
after
gary.
G
Okay,
I
think
we
need
to
take
a
step
back
and
let's
really
take
a
look
at
what
the
downtown
needs
right
now
when
you
go
downtown,
there's
so
many
empty
storefronts
down
there.
Obviously,
the
businesses
are
not
operating
or
functioning
the
way
they
need
to
downtown
in
order
to
draw
the
businesses
they're
going
out
of
businesses.
Basically
what
it
comes
down
to.
Nobody
wants
to
be
downtown.
G
What's
going
to
generate
the
foot
traffic
which
will
ultimately
allow
us
to
put
the
restaurants
in
because,
as
a
restaurant
owner,
I
don't
want
to
build
down
there
right
now,
because
nobody
goes
down
there
and
that's
evident
with
all
these
empty
storefronts
that
we're
seeing
in
restaurants
that
are
going
out
of
business.
So
we
need
to.
G
One
of
the
one
of
those
uses
may
well
be
residential
if
we
put
residential
down
there,
particularly
if
it's
near
the
beach
people
will
rent
and
if
we
get
people
renting,
then
there's
going
to
be
a
need
for
shops
and
restaurants
and
other
things
down
there.
That
will
really
start
to
attract
further
businesses
into
an
area
that
that
we
really
want
them.
B
G
We're
getting
very,
we
seem
to
get
very
specific
about.
You
know
certain
things,
and
I
think
we
still
need
to
step
back
and
look
a
look
at
it
in
a
little
broader
view
right
now,
because
we're
gonna
miss
it
I
mean
just
because
we
want
something
down.
There
doesn't
mean
we're
gonna,
get
it
down
there.
You
know
strategically.
G
What
I
would
do
on
the
fourth
avenue
is:
let's
take
a
look
at
that
family
clinic
right
on
third
and
and
fourth
avenue
north
and
let's
see
if
we
can
purchase
that
piece
of
property
if
we
can
purchase
that
piece
of
property
along
with
the
parking
lot
that
we
have
and
then
on
the
other
side
of
second
we've
got
another
lot,
there's
something
that
we
could
really
create
in
that
corridor.
G
B
So
can
I
ask
you
a
question
just
to
extend
that
out
further?
If
you
don't
mind
so
I
so
the
pure
point
is
residential
and
they
do
have
commercial
use
and
the
original
plan
that
we
have
and
it
actually
survived
through
this-
was
the
idea
of
having
affordable
housing
in
the
downtown
area
where
people
could
work
and
live
and
not
actually
get
in
their
cars.
Now.
One
thing
we
don't
have
is
the
the
commercial.
B
We
have
a
lot
of
big
companies
down
there
right
now,
which
could
they
could
work
out,
but
there's
no
like
neighborhood
type
places
you'd
want
to
walk
to
once
you
got
home.
So
that
being
said,
if
we
came
up
with,
we
all
agreed,
as
I
hyped
that
I
all
agreed
to
buy
some
some
kind
of
property
on
that
area,
to
move
forward
with
one
of
these
residential
multi-use
type
structures.
B
So
like,
like
the
pure
point,
there's
a
lot
of
you
know
places
that
they
can
rent,
there's
an
actual
commercial
and
whatnot
down
below,
so
they
cannot
keep
their
tenants
in
there
and
if
the
intent
is
we
we
build
residential
space
with
places
those
residents
want
to
travel
to
it's
already
down
there
and
it's
not
being
utilized.
So
I
don't
know
what
it's
happening
with
that.
G
G
Can
we
go
and
you've
heard
me
say
this
before?
Can
we
go
to
unf
and
ask
them
about
setting
up
and
building
some
kind
of
a
satellite
campus
in
the
downtown
area
that
will
bring
students
downtown
and
then
maybe
even
an
older
generation
who
wants
to
do
continuing
education
classes
and
and
help
bring
that
to
the
downtown
area?
G
B
So
that
being
so,
there's
there's
the
problem.
So
so
there's
two
things
I
want
to
address
for
the
two
of
you
guys
and
just
this
is
just
from
my
experience
and
I'm
not
trying
to
speak
for
the
group,
but
I'm
just
letting
you
know
from
what
I've
experienced
and
what
I've
learned
over
the
years.
So
jeff
I've
heard
the
same
thing
about
that
area.
It's
very
hard.
They
can't
even
keep
a
coffee
shop
because
they
make
too
much
noise.
B
So
that
is
a
problem
and
that's
part
of
the
problem
of
us
doing
private
partnerships,
private
public,
private
public
partnerships,
because
there's
no
way
that
we
can
make
sure
that
the
rules
for
those
who
are
supposed
to
keep
the
community
in
the
downtown
area
and
the
shops
in
the
downtown
area
and
open
I've
asked
city
council.
The
city
council
asked
the
old
city
manager
and
in
the
past
we've
talked
about
us
being
landlords,
and
I
have
been
told
point
blank
that
we
never
want
to
be
landlords.
B
So
then,
to
me:
what's
the
solution
to
bring
in
businesses
if
we're
not
in
charge
of
being
able
to
make
sure
those
shops
are
opened
at
a
reasonable
rate,
so
they
stay
full.
I
don't
know
the
solution
to
that,
but
I
think
that
is
the
only
way
if
we
are
going
to
do
a
multi-use
to
have
some
kind
of
control
over
those
rules
to
keep
those
stores
open.
So
I
will
say
that
with
you
jeff
as
far
as
that
for
gary,
I
don't
remember
you
saying
anything
about
the
school.
B
It's
a
neat
idea
to
do
something
like
that,
but
the
problem
with
the
big
catalyst
are
big.
They
call
them
jim.
You
may
be
able
to
correct
me,
but
I
think
they're
called
anchor
stores
or
anchor
developments.
So
if
you
have
the
anchor
development
like
say
the
unf
bringing
students
downtown,
what
not
the
problem
is
is
parking.
So
here
we
are
again
at
the
parking
discussion
we
have
to
discuss.
B
What
are
we
going
to
bring?
How
are
we
going
to
supply
parking
for
that
draw
and
still
keep
it
convenient
for
people
who
want
to
go
surfing
and
if
we're
looking
at
what
we
own
now,
the
only
thing
we
can
do
is
that
we'll
strip
on
ritz,
unless
we
can
convince
the
city
by
proposing
something
to
them.
So
I'm
good
with
that.
I'm
very
happy
to
hear
that
we
have
a
process
to
ask
the
city
and
what
we're
going
for
and
I'm
very
happy.
B
It
was
verbally
said
that
we
should
probably
address
increasing
our
budget,
so
the
people
on
cra
can
say:
hey
we're
going
to
have
these
professional
services
going
forward
because
we
want
to
propose
and
do
these
drawings.
So
for
those
two,
that's
how
I
feel
I
feel
like
we
need
to
discuss.
Is
it
a
catalyst
that
we're
trying
to
look
for
or
we're
interested
parking,
or
is
it
going
to
be
their
residence?
And
how
are
we
going
to
make
sure
that
the
multi-use
aspect
stays
open?
G
Well,
I'm
not
sure
I
follow
you
on
that,
because
the
whole
discussion
starts
with
trying
to
get
an
anchor
and
group
in
there
and
that,
just
as
the
beginning
of
the
discussions,
whether
you
need
parking
or
not
becomes
part
of
those
discussions
and
then
the
decision
becomes.
Is
this
something
that
the
cra
develops?
G
B
We
recently
did
go
through
this
process
with
the
museum-
the
museum.
Yes,
it
may
not
qualify
underneath
our
our
purview,
but
it's
there.
It
got
that
as
rezoning
okay.
So
it's
there,
we
went
through
this
process.
I
want
to
say
six
years
ago,
when
he
said
I
will
come,
I
will
buy
property.
I
will
build
these
villages
and
I
will
have
these
nice
restaurants
that
require
valet
parking,
because
the
kind
of
clientele
that
I'm
going
to
bring
to
the
downtown
area
will
want
us
to
valet
them.
I
need
place
to
park
them.
B
It's
that
kind
of
developer
and
that
kind
of
discussion
that,
for
me,
solidifies
that
you
need
to
have
parking
is
our
infrastructure
for
whatever
we
choose
to
do.
If
we
choose
to
do
residential
or
choose
to
bring
in
an
anchoring
group,
and
that's
why
I
think
we
as
a
group
decide
what
direction
do
we
propose,
because
no
big
group
is
going
to
have
the
discussion
and
if
we
know
we
want
to
go
this
route.
B
Logically,
we
know
parking
is
going
to
be
an
issue.
We
know
we
have
so
we
need
to
have
a
pre-thought.
So
what
are
we
going
to
do
to
get
there?
So
when
they
ask
us,
we
have
a
plan
before
they
get
the
negotiation
point.
That's
all
I'm
saying
so.
Underneath
that
purview
itself
and
based
off
this
plan,
I
agree
we
need
to
either
buy
property,
so
we
can
make
it
more.
B
Buy
property
make
it
happen,
there's
really
no
other
way
to
put
it
or
we
need
to
say
you
know
what
we
need
to
revamp
this
and
go
to
somewhere
else
other
than
fourth
corridor
to
one
of
these
other
corridors
and
propose
it
onto
city's
city's
property,
and
to
do
that,
we
need
to
increase
our
budget.
That's
all
I'm
trying
to
get
at.
B
So
I
guess
the
first
thing
for
us-
and
I
don't
know
if
jim
you
have
any
thoughts
on
this
or
not,
but
maybe
from
this
point
on
I
mean
I
can
go
through
the
rest
of
it,
but
I
think
that
we
are
on
to
something.
I
think
that
we're
on
to
the
fact
that
we
know
we're
gonna
have
to
increase
our
budget,
but
we
have
to
hone
in
on
what
it
is
before
february,
guys
like
before
february,
we
have
to
decide
which
direction
we
want
to
go
and
what
corridor
we
want
to
go.
B
C
E
So
you
don't
have
to
have
to
have
to
wait
because
I
and
I've
heard
each
of
you
say
what
I'm
about
to
say.
The
market
drives
it
all
and
it's
the
public
sector's
ability
and
that
redevelopment
agency
to
help
the
market
drive
itself
and
provide
the
market.
The
tools
and
incentives
necessary
to
make
it
work.
And
I
say
that
because
when
we
talk
about
the
incentive
toolbox,
you're
going
to
see
lots
of
strategies
that
come
into
play
and
that's
about
parking
and
everything
else,
so
land
use
studies
are
there.
E
We've
got
to
come
back
and,
let's
see,
make
sure
it
works
in
terms
of
the
market
with
the
right
type
of
professional,
consulting
services
that
make
it
attractive
for
private
sector
capital
investment.
And
that's
what
I'd
like
to
think
about
and
recommend
to
you,
some
professional
services
that
can
help
do
that
and.
B
So
I
would
like
to
put
it
out
there
to
see
what
you
guys
think
as
far
as
so
this.
This
is
one
of
the
reasons
I'm
pushing
this.
So
I
heard
from
art-
and
I
heard
from
bill
and
we've
been
dealing
with
this
for
a
long
time.
Yes,
it
may
be
premature
that
I'm
pushing
this.
It
may
be,
but
I've
been
pitching
it
like
I've
been
pushing
it
for
eight
years
now.
So
to
me,
it's
not,
and
what
was
that
quote.
You
said
earlier,
oh,
I
wrote
it
down.
B
God
yeah
that
that
was
a
yeah
yeah
so
anyway.
This
is
what
I
would
like
and
why
I'm
pushing
this.
If
we
hypothetically
have
someone
finally
working
for
the
cra
in
january
and
we're
supposed
to
have
a
discussion
about
our
budget
for
2022
in
february,
right.
B
Right,
I
think
we
need
to
as
a
group
at
least
hone
in
on
what
corridor
we
want
to
focus
on
and
what
aspects
we
want
to
focus
on,
so
that
we
can
start
getting
those
professional
services
ready
to
propose
to
city
or
ourselves
or
purchase
land
to
make
those
real.
Those,
that's
kind
of
my
thought,
say
my
your
your
hands
up
and
I'm
sorry.
I
didn't.
Oh.
C
Yeah
yeah
yeah.
What
I'm
about,
I
have
to
say.
Probably
it's
not
relevant
anymore,
because
we
have
several
conversations
since
I
had
this
thought,
but
if
we're
still
looking
at
the
peer
corridor,
well,
it's
pretty
congested
in
there
between
the
ritz
and
the
tiki
bar
is
just
that
one
parking
lot.
If
we're
looking
at
a
parking
garage
just
by
walking
running
past
there,
it
seems
like
this
count.
We
may
need
to
look
at
an
alternative
site
other
than
the
peer
corridor
for
parking.
Now
parking
is
very
relevant.
C
I
mean
it's
a
topic
that
we
need
to
discuss
because
it
has
always
been
an
issue,
but
I'm
just
thinking
for
that
particular
location.
It
we
may
need
to
look
at
an
alternative
quarter
for
that,
because
it's
kind
of
congested.
That's
just
my
observation.
B
B
Can
we
work
with
it
one,
and
if
not,
do
we
propose
going
to
city
council
and
saying
hey
or
not
just
this
peer
corridor,
but
can
we
maybe
redirect
it
to
one
of
the
other
corridors
if
it
says
that
we
can
do
parking
like
there's
some
discussions
on
other
corridors,
you
know
what
I
mean
like.
What
exactly
do
we
want
to
focus
on
so
maybe
for
me,
I
don't
know
how
you
guys
feel
about
it.
I
know
we're
having
a
meeting
what
was
last
like
it's
next
month.
B
I
can
doubt
bill
will
let
us
like
have
another
workshop
before
that,
just
because
he's
so
swamped.
But
what
would
you
guys
say
if
we
all
had
homework
and
we
all
found
the
area
or
the
corridor
that
we
individually
would
like
to
see
a
a
focus
for
bringing
business
downtown?
Be
it
school,
be
it
some
be
it
residential,
be
it
commercial
like
if
we
just
hone
in
on
the
one
space
regardless,
if
we
own
the
lot
or
not,
but
it's
available
presidio
or
for
us.
B
B
What
you're
doing
we
got
the
four
corridors,
gateway,
civic,
pier
and
retail,
and
if
you
look
at
page
41
and
then
it
breaks
down
and
just
bullet
points
through
45,
what
we
technically
should
be
encouraging
in
each
corridor
right
and
there
is
flexibility
in
each
one
of
them.
So
I'm
saying
do
we
each
then
say
you
know
what
we
know
that
we
needed
anchoring
development.
B
I'm
just
asking
how
you
guys
want
to
move
forward.
That's
really
what
I'm
doing.
I'm
proposing
twitch
yeah,
I'm
proposing
a
way
to
move
forward.
I
may
be
jumping
the
gun
but,
like
I
said
to
me,
I'm
not
because
it's
been
eight
years
in
the
end
works
and
I
feel
the
deadline
of
february,
because
if
we
don't
get
in
on
the
books
within
the
first
quarter,
two
quarters
of
the
year
it's
going
to
be
another
year
after
that.
So
me
personally,
I'm
feeling
the
pressure
to
at
least
move
it
forward.
F
F
As
far
as
the
february
thing,
I
don't
see
that
that
should
be
such
a
limiting
factor.
We
just
have
to
generously
budget
or
project
what
we
might
need.
I
I
think
we've
got
some
flexibility
for
it.
That's
just
to
get
a
placeholder
in
the
budget
so
that
we
don't
have
to
go
back
and
get
an
amendment
later
or
make
a
last
minute
change.
So,
let's
just
focus
on,
I
think,
continue
to
move
forward.
F
I
think
we
need
to
get
the
public
private
contacts
going
because
to
me
we
only
got
basically
the
latham
plaza
and
the
pure
quarter
that
really
have
any
available
land
and
opportunities.
But
let's
get
you
know
the
contacts
going
in
in
higher
gear
to
explore
whether
we
can
do
the
public
private.
E
What
I
call
the
green
plan,
if
you
will,
or
the
green
coded
work
in
shepherd's
presentation,
because
that
really
is
what
you
started
to
do
for
the
cra
to
take
and
think
about
what
that
means,
and
then
how
you
decide
your
focus,
and
so
I'm
saying
that's
a
great
idea
and
you
to
consider
I
you
know
I
don't
have
a
problem
right.
It
should
be
recommended
to
bill
that
you
have
a
special
workshop,
but
that's
all
you
talk
about
put
the
pictures
up.
E
We
take
a
look
at
it
and
get
together
in
person
again
that'd,
be
even
better
to
workshop
that
green
plan,
because
you've
done
a
lot
of
the
work
on
it
right
now
for
us
to
think
about
to
come
to
consideration
for
that,
it's
good
stuff,
and
I
and
I
will
come
up
with
suggestions
on
professional
services
that
you
need
to
have
so
and-
and
I
had
always
thought
that
that
it
should
be
done
before
the
end
of
the
year
with
the
new
person
or
not,
because
that
will
then
for
downtown.
B
F
B
So
for
it
I'm
asking
the
question:
do
we
want
to
consider
it,
and
can
we
work
with
this?
I
personally
think
we
can
work
with
it.
I
just
want
us
to
make
sure
we
visualize
it,
and
I
didn't
know
I
personally
didn't
know
how
we
would
propose
moving
forward
with
these
unless
we
redirected
them
to
different
corridors.
So
I
personally
agree
think
we
can.
I
was
just
asking
at
the
board,
I
can't
say
for
the
board:
hey.
We
all
think
we
need
to
do
this.
B
I
need
to
see
how
everyone
else
felt
right,
so
I
would
agree
with
you
jeff
that
there
are
things
here
to
work
with
and
we
have
flexibility.
This
is
why
I
showed
you
guys
the
comprehensive
plan.
It
gives
us
a
wide
range
and
the
fact
I
can't
find
any
official
zoning
just
recommendations
and
like
bill
hasn't
completely
confirmed
that
with
me.
Yet
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
flexibility.
B
So,
okay,
so
guys.
I
know
it's
getting
late
and
I
know
that
we're
having
lots
of
meetings,
so
I
don't
want
to
end
it
too
short
too
soon,
either,
because
I
know
we
need
to
address
this
with
the
south
end
as
well,
but
I
just
want
to
make
sure
I
understand
what
you
guys
are
all
saying
and
we're
on
the
same
page
so
we're
talking
about.
B
We
all
kind
of
heard
that
if
we
want
to
start
initiating
proposals
that
we
need
to
increase
our
professional
services
bucket
when
it
comes
time
to
discuss
it,
so
we
all
kind
of
heard
that
we
have
to
decide
on
individually.
If
we
want
to
vote
yea
or
nay
on
that
and
what
we
want
to
propose
it
to
that's.
B
Yeah,
that's
going
to
make
sure
we
heard
that
we
all
have
the
understanding
that
those
five
pages
are
super
key
to
how
we
go
forward,
and
I
heard
gary
say
and
youtube:
jeff
say
that
we
just
we
have
time
to
find
out
what
it
is.
You
just
have
to
make
sure
we
have
the
funds
to
do
it.
So
I
heard
that
so
the
whole.
I
hear
it
loud
and
clear.
I
don't
need
to
have
a
project
before
february.
B
I
heard
it,
but
I
did
want
to
make
sure
we
all
heard
that
if
we
want
to
do
said
project
we
need
money,
okay,
other
than
that,
I
think
we
need
to
decide
how
you
guys
want
to
move
forward.
Do
we
want
to
have
workshops?
Do
we
want
to
do
during
our
meetings
like?
How
do
you
guys
want
to
move
forward?
What
are
you
comfortable
with.
F
I
don't
see
the
difference
between
a
workshop
and
a
meeting
as
far
as
I
don't
think.
Well,
unless
bill
says
we
have
an
agenda,
that's
too
full
to
get
into
discussions
like
this.
I
think
we
can
have
the
discussions
at
every
meeting.
Okay
and
if
we
have
a
specific
topic
that
we
want
to
really
delve
into
detail
like
what
we
did
tonight,
then
we
can
schedule
a
workshop,
but
I
I
think
it's
great,
that
we
have
these
discussions
and
we
can
make
it
a
part
of
every
meeting
agenda
permitting.
B
Okay,
so
what
I
would
then
propose
is
since
art
is
the
chair.
I
would
when
he
reads
this,
and
I
think
we
should
propose
it
to
him
that
he
make
the
decision
each
meeting
and
to
paste
off
the
agenda
if
we're
going
to
be
able,
if,
if
we
are
able
to
discuss
it
during
our
normal
meetings
and
then
we're
fine
continuing
to
the
next
meeting.
But
if
we're
unable
to
discuss
some
aspect
of
this
during
a
regular
meeting,
we
then
call
a
workshop
two
weeks
later.
F
G
G
But
where
is
our
best
opportunity
to
do
a
true
development
within
the
city
that
makes
sense?
That
brings
us
the
the
foot
traffic
allows
businesses
to
survive
and
brings
the
amenities
to
the
downtown
area
that
most
of
the
residents
are
looking
for,
and
it
may
well
be
that
we
really
need
to
focus
on
that
area
to
the
to
the
south
of
latham
plaza
between
first
and
second,
because
that
is
a
piece
of
property,
and
I
assume
it's
city
owned.
B
G
I
don't
think
there's
anything
out
on
the
street
in
reference
to
that.
You
know
my
my
conversations
with
mike
have
been
that
it
is
an
opportunity
for
the
cra
to
take
a
look
at
and
to
release
an
rfp
on
that
piece
of
property
and
see
what
we
get
back,
but
we
haven't
done
anything
in
reference
to
that.
So
I
I
just
don't
want
to
get
hung
up
on
it,
it's
just
being
one
corridor
or
another
that
we're
looking
at.
G
We
really
need
to
look
at
the
whole
downtown
area
and
determine
what
it
is
that
that
makes
the
most
sense,
because
if
we
focus
on
one
corridor,
I'm
not
sure
that
we're
really
doing
what
we
need
to
be
doing
to
give
us
the
the
benefit
and
the
push
that
that
we
really
want
for
the
downtown
district
and
just
as
a
little
bit
of
an
aside,
you
might
be
interested
the
city
of
neptune
beach
just
released
their
final
draft
on
their
vision
plan
for
neptune
beach.
G
It's
kind
of
an
interesting
little
document
to
go
through.
They
spent
some
big
dollars
over
four
hundred
thousand
dollars
to
create
this
document.
But
take
a
look
at
it.
It's
online,
you
can
go
to
neptune
city
of
neptune
beach,
and
you
can
see
this
this
document
and
it's
it's
kind
of
interesting.
It's
it
brings
forth
some
interesting
ideas.
B
So
I'll
adjust
echo,
I'm
not
an
expert
on
this.
I
do
agree
with
you
that
we
do
need
to
look
at
the
whole
picture.
I
agree
with
that.
I
will
say,
though,
from
the
very
beginning
it
was
villages,
the
notes,
districts
and
now
it's
corridors.
Those
have
survived
throughout
the
whole
plan
and
those
are
the
purview
and
recommended
uses
and
areas.
So,
yes,
I
agree
with
you.
We
should
look
at
the
whole
plan,
but
I'm
not
trying
to
focus
on,
but
we
do
have
to
stay
within
those
parameters
that
are
for
those
corridors.
G
Not
changing,
I'm
not
changing
that,
for
instance,
I'm
not
saying
that
you
should
vary
from
it.
All
I'm
saying
is
look
at
where
the
right
opportunity
is
for
development
in
the
plan
in
the
vision
plan,
it
calls
for
the
development
to
the
south
side
of
lakeman
plaza
among
mixed
use,
parking,
and
so
isn't
that
maybe
a
better
place
to
start
than
over.
On
the
you
know,
the
pure
corridor,
100.
B
And
that's
what
we're
going
to
discuss
as
a
group,
and
we
just
need
to
decide
where
we
want
to
focus.
That's
100,
true,
all
right,
so
I
think
we've
kind
of
beat
this
to
pulp.
I'm
happy
about
some
of
the
things
that
we've
discovered
from
it
does
anybody
else
have
anything
to
discuss
in
regards
to
this
specifically
gary.
B
Then
we
address-
maybe
in
the
next
month
or
after
two
of
these,
like
discussions
on
this,
we
can
then
start
introducing
the
south
end
and
where
we
want
to
extend
our
budget
in
that
area
and
what
kind
of
things
we
want
to,
because
there
that
plan
is
not
quite
the
same
as
this
one.
It
has
a
whole
different
layout.
G
Well,
one
thing
I
need
to
let
the
board
know
is
that
you
know
there's
more
to
the
south
district
than
everybody's
thinking.
These
I
sat
down
with
public
works
the
other
day
and
with
bill
and
there's
19
million
dollars
worth
of
projects.
The
public
works
put
forth.
That
is
still
left
to
be
done
down
there
in
that
area.
G
That
doesn't
include
the
items
that
I
had
put
together
in
the
list
that
I
created
earlier
in
the
year
and
not
all
of
those
monies,
at
least
from
what
I've
seen
is
in
the
capital
improvements
budget.
So
we
we
have
some
work
to
do
down
there
and
it
needs
to
be
part
of
our
agenda
as
we
we
go
forward
because
we
get
to
february
it's
the
same
thing.
We
don't
want
to
suddenly
be.
B
Did
they
by
chance?
Did
they
by
chance
provide
you
with
a
detailed
bullet
point
mandate
or
purview
for
us
on
that
area?
Are
there
just
basically
giving
us
what's
been
done
and
what
what
they've
identified
as
projects?
That's,
what
they've
done
it's
more
like
a
check
off
list
than
it
is
like
parameters
which
you
can
do
certain
areas.
That's
my
understanding
of
it.
Correct.
G
B
Why
don't
we
propose
after
we
have
the
discussion
with
art
since
he's
not
here
now?
So
let's
have
the
discussion
with
bill
and
art
in
our
next
meeting
to
ask
them.
If,
in
our
meetings
that
we
don't
have
a
lot
of
agenda
items
that
we
spend,
you
know
half
our
time
on
downtown
and
half
of
our
time
and
the
south
point,
and
just
like
switch
gears.
B
G
B
She
was
on
our
list
to
have
it
today.
I
thought,
but
we've
been
converting
it.
I
agree
with
you.
It's
ashley
was
supposed
to
be
part
of
it.
Okay,
it's
almost
seven
dudes.
Anybody
else
want
to
talk
about
anything
else
or
propose
anything
else
going
forward.
As
far
as
I
know,
we're
basically
going
to
encourage
having
meetings,
discuss
these
every
meeting
and
if
we
don't
get
to
it,
we're
going
to
have
a
workshop
two
weeks
after
that's
pretty
much
the
plan
right.
C
B
B
B
All
right,
well
guys,
I
am
I'm
extremely
excited.
I
can't
even
tell
you
guys,
like
I
I'm
bubbling
that
there's
progress
and
I
am
hopeful-
and
that
has
been
a
word
that
has
not
been
associated
with
me
lately
when
it
comes
to
the
cra,
so
I
am
so
excited.
I
can't
stand
myself
so
great
job
team.
I
will
see
you
guys
soon.