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A
All
right,
so
I
got
five
o'clock,
so
we
will
call
this
meeting
to
order.
A
A
D
Under
c
the
downtown
delivery
truck
parking
ordinance.
I
had
trouble
following
what
it
said,
so
I
I
have
a
bunch
of
changes
in
that
paragraph.
I
don't
know
what
the
most
effective
efficient
way
to
communicate
them
are,
but.
E
D
Nothing
substantive
really,
it's
just
that
it's
grammatics
grammatics
yeah
and
some.
E
E
D
Other
than
that-
and
I
will
email
that
to
you
tomorrow
or
tonight-.
B
A
D
Comma
was
redlined
to
reflect
changes
that
the
agency
agreed
to
previously
dialogue
ensued,
including,
but
not
limited
to
enforcement,
comma
enforcement
procedures,
unintended
consequences,
safety
proposed
restricted
areas,
and
then
I
struck
public
right
of
way
because
I'm
not
sure
what
that
meant
or
how
that
fit
in
right
there
and
then
continued
on
with
the
rest
of
the
sentence.
As
is.
E
B
B
To
the
chair,
I
would
like
to
awful
motion
that
we
have
set
the
minutes
from
the
our
july
10th
meeting
with
the
corrections
with
the
edits.
A
Questions
corrections
and
editors
stated
by
mr
jones,
yes,
is
there
is
and
there's
a
second
any
further
discussions
seeing
that
all
in
favor
say
aye.
A
B
A
Right
by
your
actions,
you've
approved
those
minutes.
Okay,
courtesy
of
florida
visitors
will
be
down
at
the
end
of
the
agenda.
Downtown
cape
officer,
evans,.
B
F
Very
good,
we,
I
think
I
told
you
on
the
last
meeting.
We
do
have
our
final
officer,
that's
assigned
to
the
downtown
cape
area
and
everything's
working
really
well.
He
actually
just
switched
over
today.
F
So
his
official
day
will
start
his
official
week
will
start
this
week,
other
than
that
we
just
some
of
the
bars
in
the
downtown
area
that
were
bars.
Now
they
have
obtained
licensing,
so
they
can
start
selling
food.
F
We
confirmed
that
with
abt
and
sergeant
shark,
along
with
myself
and
the
chief
we
met
and
talked
about
that.
So
it's
kind
of
we
have
a
set
of
guidelines
with
the
state
but
we're
having
to
kind
of
learn
them
as
we
go
because
they're
constantly
changing
and
now
these
bars
have
now
applied
for
and
received
some
of
the
licensing,
so
they
can
be
open,
even
though
they're
very
limited
on
food,
so
we're
adapting
to
that
and
other
than
that
I
did.
A
F
No,
we
had
to
back
the
blue.
Thank
you
for
bringing
that
up.
I
apologize.
I
forgot
that
one
of
all
of
them-
and
it
was
actually
very-
we
had
a
lot
of
people
more
people
under
the
news
media.
To
our
dismay
said
there
was
dozens
well,
there
was
actually
a
few
hundreds
rather
than
dozens.
F
We
did
meet
with
the
promoters
and
they
did
want
to
walk
they
were
they
wanted
to
walk
similar
to
what
the
blm
organizers
did
a
couple
of
weeks
prior,
but
this
group
wanted
to
walk
kind
of
on
the
outskirts,
so
we
accommodated
them
that
day
and
everything
was
peaceful.
F
The
only
issues
we
had
after
the
fact
was
the
we
did
have
some
anti
back
to
blue
black
lives
matter,
folks
that
had
some
signage
and
some
anti
are
pro-abortions
that
they
also
brought
signage.
So
they
didn't
get
an
argument
with
the
back
to
blue.
They
actually
got
into
an
argument
with
each
of
themselves,
so
the
police
were
called.
That
was
the
only
disruption
we
had
was
the
other
two
anti-protesting
groups
got
into
an
argument.
A
Okay,
board
members:
anybody
have
any
comments
or
questions
or
statements.
C
G
G
Have
we
looked
at
that
as
to
how
they
operate
and
whether
or
not
they're,
operating
appropriately
and
efficiently
the
way
they
should
because
one's
a
a
flow
through
kind
of
roundabout
and
the
other
one
is
a
stop
sign,
but
yet,
as
a
roundabout,
I'm
just
curious
as
to
what
your
thoughts
are
on
them.
E
The
issue
with
the
first
street
roundabout
having
to
be
a
stop
intersection
was
due
to
geometry,
and
there
would
need
to
be
additional
right-of-way
purchased
in
order
to
pull
the
pedestrian
crossways
further
out
of
that.
In
order
to
eliminate
the
stop
signs
went
through
an
initial
canvassing
of
the
adjacent
property
owners
to
see
if
they'd
participate
via
donating
additional
right-of-way,
and
then
it
was
determined
that
the
northeast
corner
there's
a
very,
very
big
and
significant
electrical
vault
there
that
would
preclude
expansion
into
that
area.
E
So
that's
as
far
as
we
went
on
the
first
street
roundabout
with
the
island
in
place,
the
observation
for
the
second
street
right
around
about
was
to
see
if
we
could
accommodate
some
type
of
island
feature,
because
it
came
up
in
the
dix
heights
presentation,
an
original
study
about
the
art
master
plan.
However,
the
engineers
I
believe
it
was
gai,
it
could
be
wrong,
but
I
believe
it
was
gai
did
turning
movement
modelings
and
I've
also
observed
it
personally.
E
Longer
fixed
axle
trucks
and
longer
semi
trucks
cannot
make
it
through
that
intersection
with
any
type
of
raised
center
feature,
so
that
intersection
with
the
approaches
the
way
they
are
now
can
function
as
a
through
roundabout
with
no
stop
signs,
but
we
don't
have
the
opportunity
to
add
any
type
of
vertical
element
in
the
center.
So
right
now
they
still
operate
as
separate.
The
whole
idea
was
to
make
them
try
to
make
them
either
both
stop
or
both
flow
through
and
because
the
right-of-way
geometry
at
both
intersections,
they
were
treated
differently.
C
Is
that
me
now
so
gary
I'm
just
going
to
also
just
add
to
that.
It
has
been
a
blemish
on
the
plan
and
it
has
been
brought
up
in
the
cra
and
multiple
times
before
bill
mann.
It
was
designed
by
a
young
lady
and
lindorf
approved
it,
and
then
we
had
to
make
some
changes
to
the
turn
signal
turn
lane
from
that
area
on
to
a1a.
So
it
has
been
brought
up
multiple
times
and
I
agree
with
you.
C
It's
frustrating
and
I
think
it's
a
blemish
on
the
planning,
but-
and
I
digress
on
that,
so
I
just
had
a
question,
though,
for
the
bars
to
restaurants.
How
are
you
going
to
address
the
zoning
rules?
The
opening
rules,
because
we've
been
fighting
the
whole?
You
can't
only
stay
open
for
so
long
because
you're,
a
bar
or
you
can
only
have
I
mean.
How
are
we
going
to
address
that.
F
We
already
have
basically
once
they
once
we
found
out.
Last
week,
we
saw
through
some
social
media
that
one
of
the
bars
was
starting
to
serve
some
chips
and
some
others.
Some
pizza
rolls
and
their
famous
amazing
hot
pockets
is
what
they
were
going
to
be
doing.
F
So
we
immediately
started
looking
into
it
sergeant
sharp
myself
in
the
I
talked
with
the
attorney
chris
ambrosia
as
well.
Anyway,
we
started
pulling
up.
Some
documents
went
straight
to
the
website.
We
saw
where
they
had
actually
applied
and
were
granted
the
for
the
condition
food
service
that
day,
so
they
must
have
just
gotten
their
approval
when
they
started
putting
all
this
out
on
social
media
sharp
and
his
guys
and
gals
went
down
there
and
made
contact,
we
talked
to
them
and
we
basically
monitored
it.
F
We
also
sent
that
information
out
to
our
officers
that
were
also
in
the
area
in
in
in
in
search
of
any
possible
violations
and
I'll
I'll
turn
over
sergeant
sharp.
As
far
as
it
looks
like
it
went
pretty.
Well,
we
had
a
couple
of
businesses
this
past
weekend.
H
The
only
restaurant
bar-
that's
not
open
right
now
is
lunches
as
far
as
monitoring
it.
That's
all
we're
doing
the
12
o'clock
thing
is
still
in
effect.
It's
basically
cease
alcohol
sales.
No
matter
what
kind
of
business
you
really
are,
whether
a
bar
or
restaurant
at
midnight.
So
at
that
point
those
bars
they're
not
going
to
make
any
money
on
a
hot
pocket
or
a
any
kind
of
tino's
pizza
rolls
to
stay
open.
So
basically,
everyone
has
had
a
the
closure
by
12
o'clock.
H
There's
no
alcohol
out
there,
everything's
pretty
much
done
and
empty,
and
mo
said
it's
if
you've
been
down
there
late
at
night.
Recently,
it's
it's
a
ghost
town
about
12,
30.,.
C
Okay,
so
then,
just
just
to
reiterate
so
we're
not
cracking
down
on
outdoor
seating
right
now,
because
there's
only
a
few
we're
not
really
worried
about
this
food
for
bars,
because
it's
pretty
much
a
ghost
town.
Now,
what
are
we
going
to
do
our,
whoever
whoever
gave
them
this
permit
or
this
ability
to
do
so?
Is
it
limit
what
they
can't
sell
so
that
that
doesn't
become
a
problem
later
on
when
cobit
isn't
affecting
our
sales.
H
H
That's
there
is
that
license
is
strictly
saying:
hey
you
guys
can
sell
food
and
basically,
the
marching
orders
now
from
abt
who
monitors
all
dbpr
issue
issues
is
that
they
want
to
make
sure
that
they
have
a
restaurant
license
and
an
alcohol
license,
and
as
long
as
they're
adhering
to
social
distancing
and
the
50
capacity
levels
for
the
inside,
that's
what
they're
looking
at
right
now,
that's
the
only
thing,
they're,
they're
monitoring
and
actually
going
to
effect
and
taking
some
kind
of
enforcement
action.
F
And
with
those
violations
we're
doing
the
same
as
what
we
were
sergeant
sharp
one
of
the
supervisors.
If
we
see
something
that
is
an
issue
other
than
something
safe
for
with
our
seating,
where
the
fire
marshal
will
get
involved.
As
far
as
for
social
justice,
we
all
we
do,
is
we
do
the
online
reporting
system
through
dpbr.
I
Yeah,
I
just
wanted
to
say
that
we're
monitoring
that
situation,
while
the
dbpr
has
verbally
told
us
that
this
is
what
they're
doing
going
forward.
It
is
in
conflict
with
the
governor's
written
which
is
beneath
it
and
is
applied
to
everyone.
So
we've
got
our
city
attorney,
taking
a
look
at
it
to
see
if
we
can
find
in
other
jurisdictions,
where
they've
been
given
any
written
guidance
from
the
ddpr
or
from
abt
that
we
can
rely
upon.
I
I
would
also
note
that
earlier
today
the
governor's
office
said
that
he
will
be
meeting
with
bar
owners
from
across
the
state
this
week
to
see,
if
there's
a
determination
of
some
other
way
shape
or
form
that
he
can
allow
bars
to
proceed
to
opening,
and
I
guess
the
right
way
to
say
it
is
without
some
of
these
workarounds
that
are
being
put
in
place,
but
clearly
they've
placed
an
onus
on
us
that
makes
it
very
difficult
to
enforce
when
the
state
tells
us
that
they're
allowing
them
to
buy
these
licenses
to
open
their
doors
and
that
they
are
not
going
to
be
the
ones
to
audit
51
food
sales.
F
What
we
do
is
well,
if
our
officers,
if
we
see
it
we've
done
a
couple
of
things,
we've
talked
to
the
management,
but
we
also
do
the
self-reporting.
If
someone
calls
into
our
agency
and
their
complaint,
basically
is
social
distancing.
F
Excuse
me
unless
it
is
just
outrageously
visible,
that
anyone
would
actually
see
what
we've
done
in
the
past
same
with
surf
for
the
bar,
we
took
photographs,
we
talked
with
the
management
and
we
stopped
it
immediately.
However,
a
lot
of
the
ones
that
are
coming
in
mr
chair
they're
they're,
really
when
you
look
at
them,
it
depends
on
what
angle
you're,
looking
at
how
many
people
are
actually
in
there
how
many
seats
they
have.
Are
they
all
actually
sitting
as
they
should
be
sitting?
F
So
on
those
type
cases
we
do
the
online
reporting
and
basically
we
fill
out
the
form
and
submit
that
form
to
their
website
and
that's
what
they
want
us
to
do
but,
like
I
said,
the
ones
that
were
very
blatant,
we
went
ahead
and
I
got
with
sergeant
sharp
and
we
actually
went
down
there
and
talked
to
them,
took
photographs
and
documented
it.
F
A
E
Gotta
look
up
every
once
in
a
while
one
of
our
prior
meetings.
I
was
asked
to
get
the
city
manager
to
participate
in
tonight's
meeting
to
give
the
chronology
of
how
the
relocation
of
the
veterans
memorial
came
up
and,
at
the
same
time,
francis.
I
believe
several
weeks
ago
sent
me
some
information
about
her
ideas.
Those
oh
francis
you're
on
the
video
now
with
some
ideas
that
she
had
for
that
particular
for
a
particular
or
excuse
me
for
a
concept.
E
Maybe
they
could
be
used
in
the
south
end
for
that,
but
and
I'll.
Let
francis
address
those
at
the
end,
but
first
we'll
turn
it
over
to
mike,
and
let
him
give
you
the
chronology
of
how
this
relocation
came
about.
I
E
I
Okay,
I
I
will
go
all
the
way
back
then,
to
the
start,
which
is
one
of
the
things
that
the
city
council
wanted
to
be
able
to
do
was
have
council
briefings
where
they
have
the
ability
to
discuss
what
topics
they
want
to
discuss,
as
opposed
to
always
hearing
what
the
city
manager
feels
is
important
to
them.
We
had
one
of
those
such
meetings
on
february
17th
and
a
topic
that
was
brought
up
by
city
council
was
the
issue
of
the
current
location
of
the
veterans.
I
Memorial
council
member
doherty
in
particular,
said
that
he
did
not
think
the
current
location
was
an
appropriate
location
for
the
veterans
memorial.
I
Many
other
council
members
concurred
with
him,
especially
those
that
had
been
in
attendance
during
the
dedication
for
the
ss
gulf
america,
where
there
were
enough
people
that
they
were
actually
standing
in
the
street
at
the
intersection
in
our
downtown.
For
that
particular
celebratory
moment.
So
with
that
being
said,
council
said
they
wanted
us
to
go
back
and
evaluate
locations
throughout
the
city
that
we
felt
might
be
appropriate
to
accommodate
the
veterans
memorial
going
forward
into
the
future.
I
So
with
that
being
said,
we
test
the
parks
director
jason
fatidis,
with
identifying
some
of
those
locations
in
the
city.
Back
in
march
of
this
year,
we
brought
an
item
back
to
council
for
their
consideration
and
there
were
five
locations
that
were
identified
for
the
council's
thought.
The
first
was
oceanfront
park.
The
second
was
the
golf
course.
The
third
was
huguenot
park,
the
fourth
was
gonzales
park
and
the
fifth
was
rotary
park,
and
each
of
these
particular
locations
had
pros
and
cons
that
were
associated
with
them.
I
The
other
thing
that
council
had
asked
us
to
do
was
to
reach
out
to
both
the
vfw
and
the
american
legion
to
see
if
they
had
any
preference
for
where
a
veterans
memorial
should
be
located.
Both
vfw
and
american
legion
were
in
unison
that
they
felt
it
should
be
located
at
oceanfront
park,
specifically
because
of
its
serene
environment
adjacency
to
the
water
and
the
ability
to
do
something,
as
a
sunrise
memorial
at
some
point
in
the
future,
if
they
ever
needed
to
do
so.
I
So
in
march,
city
council
asked
us
to
narrow
down
the
choices
to
two
particular
locations.
A
new
one
was
introduced,
and
that
was
the
beaches
museum
property,
where
there
were
two
possible
locations,
one
in
the
center
court
area
and
other
on
the
western
edge
in
the
v-shaped
notch.
That
goes
right
along
the
edge
of
beach
boulevard.
I
I
In
june,
we
brought
the
item
back
to
council
to
explore
those
three
options:
ocean
front
park
and
the
two
locations
at
beach's
museum
and
after
a
spirited
discussion,
council
ultimately
decided,
I
believe,
by
a
vote
of
either
five
to
zero
or
six
to
zero
voted
that
they
wanted
to
see.
The
memorial
moved
to
oceanfront
point
and
that's
the
the
chronology
and
the
methodology
of
how
we
got
to
where
we
are
today
and
with
that
I'd,
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions
you
might
have.
A
Thank
you
mike
francis.
C
Thank
you
for
let
me
have
a
moment
to
talk
about
this,
so
this
is
where
my
my
questions
and
frustration
are
from.
So
you
said
in
february,
was
brought
up.
I
had
spoken
to
a
couple
council
members
at
the
time
about
some
options.
I'm
not
going
to
say
they
got
the
idea
for
me
because
I
don't
know
if
they
did
or
not.
I
just
know
I
had
spoken
to
some
people.
We
actually
had
a
meeting
scheduled
the
cra
had
a
scheduled
meeting
in
february.
C
We
talked
about
coming
up
and
having
workshops
in
regards
to
certain
items
in
the
downtown
area,
as
well
as
the
south
beach
area,
at
which
one
of
those
options
is
what
to
do
with
our
property,
and
one
of
the
proposals
I
had
prepared
in
february
was
for
us
to
introduce
the
idea
of
creating
a
memorial
park
off
of
that
area
where
jacksonville
drive
and
south
drive
was
at
and
utilizing
the
cra
parking
lot
for,
supporting
that
big
lot
that
this
the
city
owns
itself.
C
So
my
question
really
is
more
along
the
lines
of
if
there
was
something
that
was
in,
they
wanted
to
address
something
that
was
in
the
downtown
district,
which
is
under
the
cra.
C
C
I
C
So
it's
my
understanding
that
the
cra
has
the
mandate
and
the
majority
steps
in
working
in
those
two
areas
and
that
we
should
have
been
counseled
on
this
as
well
to
see
if
it
fits
the
plan
for
downtown
or
in
the
areas
that
are
in
our
area,
and
we
then
could
have
had
we
got
into
the
workshop
before
covid
provided
alternative
options,
because
I
still
think
I
would
still
like
to
talk
about
that
up
being
an
option
down
off
jack's
drive
and
or
down
wherever
that
section
is
it's
like
south
beach
drive
and
jacksonville
drive,
because
those
properties
are
owned
by
the
city.
C
We,
as
this
council
haven't,
had
a
discussion
point
on
it
yet,
and
I
know
that
we
haven't,
we
have
to
have
a
discussion.
I
can't
speak
for
the
group,
but
I
still
feel
like
the
process
if
we
are
really
trying
to
make
the
cra
work
like
the
cra
is
supposed
to
work
where
we
are
employees
in
essence
of
the
council.
I
think
a
lot
of
that
work,
since
it
was
in
our
areas
in
our
purview.
I
And
I
think
it's
certainly
within
the
cra's
purview,
if
you
all
wanted
to
send
a
communication
to
the
to
the
council
expressing
an
opinion
one
way
or
the
other,
and
certainly
within
your
purview,
to
do
so.
E
But,
prior
to
doing
that,
the
cra
as
a
group
needs
to
vet
that
and,
as
a
unified
recommendation,
come
up
yeah.
We
would
like
that
to
be
considered
as
a
recommendation
and
to
francis's
point.
The
cra
has
not
had
that
internal
discussion
yet,
and
that
is
one
of
the
fairly
soon
upcoming
workshops
that
we're
going
to
have
is
to
discuss
the
disposition
of
the
vacant
cra
and
city-owned
parcels
in
the
south
end.
So
I.
C
Agree
with
y'all,
I
agree
with
that
hundred
percent,
but
I
I'm
not
trying
to
slap
a
hand
or
anything
like
that.
But
what
I'm
getting
at
is
that
that
vote
on,
where
that
should
have
gone,
should
never
have
gone
to
vote
without
the
cra
involved
at
all.
Anything
that's
in
the
downtown
area
and
that
area
that
we're
in
charge
of
should
have
come
through
the
cra.
C
If
we're
working
the
way
that
we
should
have
it
shouldn't
have,
should
we
shouldn't
have
been
bypassed
at
all,
and
I
just
don't
want
any
future
things
to
be
bypassed
by
the
cra.
Just
because
council
wants
it,
because
that's
not
how
it's
supposed
to
work
and
that's
what
I'm
getting
at
it's
like
that.
We
had
something
on
the
agenda.
We
had
planned
to
do
meetings.
We
could
have
entertained
that
energy.
E
I
think
the
discussion
would
have
been
whether
or
not
putting
the
memorial
there
compromised
the
function
of
that
park,
which
it
doesn't
I
reached
out
after
I
jason
fatigue's.
E
The
golf
course
guy
trevor
actually
laid
it
out
in
a
chalk
line
where
the
proposed
location
was
going,
and
the
first
thing
I
told
him
was
to
consult
with
the
landscape
architect
who
designed
the
park
to
make
sure
it
was
not
compromising
his
design,
and
I
know
the
gentleman
fairly
well.
I've
worked
with
him
in
the
past
and,
coincidentally,
he
also
did
the
design
for
the
existing
memorial.
E
C
I'm
just
saying
that
there
are
alternative
options
that
are
not
park
related
that
we
could
have
presented
and
we're
actually
in
in
line
to
do
so.
So
I
might
like,
I
said,
I'm
a
broken
record
at
this
point.
I
will
digress,
but
I
understand,
but
I
was
talking
to
people
I
was
hoping
to
do
as
a
group.
I
would
love
for
us
as
a
group
to
maybe
discuss
if
we
do
want
to
address
it
in
any
way.
C
Clearly,
at
this
point,
we've
already
involved
the
people
who
would
like
it
the
veterans
who
would
like
it
where
it's
at,
but
they
were
never
given
alternative
options,
and
I
did
see
in
your
thing
you
sent
us
that
some
of
those
ideas
which
was
were
on
that
that
for
everyone
to
see,
but
I
digress-
and
I
thank
you
for
your
time.
A
All
right
any
other
comments
or
concerns
or
questions
jeff
jones.
D
Yes,
well
whether
or
not
we
get
involved
in
that
particular
aspect
on
the
location.
If
it
is
moved,
then
we
have
the
vacant
corner
that
we'll
have
to
deal
with
and
to
francis's
point.
That
probably
should
be
ensured
to
be
a
cra
initiated.
E
Effort
and
that
it
has
been
sir,
that
is
a
part
of
the
dix
heights
master
plan.
That's
one
of
the
locations
for
I
don't
want
to
get
the
term
wrong
local
art,
but
state
mental
art.
It's
one
of
the
that's
a
gateway,
visual
area
when
you're
coming
in
either
by
mostly
by
vehicle,
but
it
was
that
corner
was
picked
out
because
there
was
some
discussion
when
dick's
height
was
doing
the
plan
because
he
picked
up
on
in
the
narrative
that
there
is
a
proposal
to
relocate
the
veterans
memorial.
E
C
E
D
If
the
memorial
is
moved,
then
we
have
that
corner
to
deal
with,
and
I
read
something
in
the
paper
summarizing
the
meeting
where
there
was
some
discussion.
I
don't
know
whether
it
came
from
city
council
or
whatnot
of
coordinating
with
sneakers
that's
to
the
use
of
that
corner.
Okay.
So
I'm
just
saying
that
you
know
I
I
understand
bill
that
yeah.
That's
part,
that's
part
of
a
feature
of
the
plan
is
to
maybe
do
something
different
with
that
corner.
D
But
now
is
it's
it's
coming
up
and
we
should
be
involved
in
either
the
initiation
or
approval
of
what
happens
to
that
corner.
A
Mike
it
sounds
like
there
was
an
oversight,
and
I
understand
that,
and
I
understand
these
things
happen,
plus
we
weren't
able
to
have
a
couple
of
meetings
during
when
this
whole
covet
things
started
off,
but
I
I
and
take
it
from
where
francis
is
coming
from
and
the
point
that
chef's
making
now
is.
We
can
make
sure,
as
we
move
forward
in
the
future,
that
we
get
involved
and
things
that
happen
in
the
cra
areas.
I
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
for
everyone
on
the
call
jeff
you
had
mentioned
the
issue
of
sneakers
in
a
conversation
with
greg
pratt.
He
just
indicated
that
he
would
like
to
be
aware
of
what
was
going
in
going
into
that
spot
before
it
actually
went
in.
E
The
only
last
point
back
to
jeff's
question:
it
is
identified
in
the
art
master
plan
as
a
focal
art
location
that
would
be
funded
by
the
cra,
the
selection
process
of
how
we're
going
to
go
about
getting.
If
we
do
a
request
for
or
call
for
artists
or
whatnot,
that
will
be
decided
by
the
cra.
So
you
will
be
heavily
involved
in
what
goes
in
that
location,
both
through
funding
and
through
how
we,
how
we,
let
it
out
to
see
what
kind
of
what
kind
of
sculpture
or
whatever
we
want
to
put
in
there.
A
B
Hall,
yes,
when
that
monument
is
moved,
I
know
there
are
several
parts
to
it.
There
are
the
pavements
and
they're
little
monuments
that
recognize
each
branch
of
the
service.
Will
it
keep
the
same
design
and
will
the
configuration
change
any
idea
about
how
that's
gonna
be
done.
E
Yes,
sir,
in
talking
with
the
landscape
architect,
well
speaking
with
trevor
with
the
parks
and
recreation
department,
their
intent
is
to
keep
it
predominantly
intact.
The
actual
size
of
the
radius
may
change
slightly
to
get
in
the
new
location,
but
it
is
proposed
to
be
a
flagpole
there
and
they
understand
that
if
the
flag
flies
at
night,
it's
got
to
be
illuminated
and
the
memorial
will
still
be
set
up
in
a
circular
pattern.
Much
as
it
is
right
now.
B
B
A
C
I
just
want
to
make
sure
I
know
the
flag
has
been
eliminated,
but
it
has
been
addressed
as
far
as
if
it's
going
to
be
an
amber
light
because
of
it
being
right
on
the
ocean
and
the
neighbors
right
next
to
the
park.
E
I
specifically
asked
the
parks
and
recreation
department
to
canvas
the
neighbors,
because
there
is
a
condominium
immediately
adjacent
to
the
north
number
one
number
two.
It
may
be
that
seasonally
we
have
to
change
out
to
an
amber
bulb,
or
maybe
we
spotlight
it
with
an
amber
bulb
from
day
one.
But
those
are
two
different
options.
E
G
I
do
and
then
I
have
a
comment.
I
assume
that
we're
going
to
get
some
kind
of
budget
for
this
or
estimate
for
cost
that
we'll
be
able
to
review
it
at
some
point
down
the
road
here.
E
I
have
not
had
that
discussion
with
parks
and
recreation
the
city
manager
may
know,
but
they
may
be
considering
this
part
that
they're
doing
it
within
their
budget.
They
haven't
asked
for
cra
assistance.
Yet
if
they
do
ask
for
cra
assistance,
it
will
be
fully
vetted
by
the
board
before
we
would
fund
it.
So
I'm
just
not
sure.
E
G
G
I
know
that
the
city
is
spending
a
significant
amount
of
time
right
now
trying
to
do
visioning
for
the
city,
but
that
also
includes
the
downtown
district,
and
I'm
just
wondering
how
the
cra
will
be
involved
in
that
process
and
trying
to
develop
a
cohesive
vision
for
the
particularly
the
downtown
area
and
how
we
can
work
together.
To
make
sure
that
what's
implemented
is
what
the
city
wants
and
also
consistent
with
what
the
cra
is
doing.
E
Actually
that
leads
me
to
a
good
segue.
I
was
going
to
discuss
it
later
on
in
the
agenda,
but
I
can
do
it
right
now.
I
had
a
phone
call
with
jacob
schumer,
with
cliff
shepard's
firm.
That's
doing
our
downtown
plan
consolidation,
you
remember
when
we
put
them
under
contract,
they
set
up
a,
I
think,
six
to
eight
week,
contract
time
frame
and
we're
getting
up
around
week.
E
That
sets
the
stage
for
a
vision,
or
you
know,
an
update
to
the
downtown
vision
plan
going
forward
because,
just
like
in
the
south
end
we'll
know
what
we
have
in
place
versus
what
we
can
do
and
what
we're
still
committed
to
do
with
existing
funding,
so
that
that's
going
to
be.
That
will
be
borne
from
this
con
plan.
Consolidation
that
the
next
step
after
that
will
be
developed
okay.
What
now
going
forward.
A
E
Yes,
sir,
we've
got
ashley
gossett
on
board
today
and
also
in
your
information
package.
We
just
I
distributed
a
copy
of
the
proposed
20
21
budget
for
the
cra
as
well
for
the
downtown,
as
well
as
the
capital
improvements
plan
for
21
through
25.,
and
the
reason
I'm
doing
this.
This
was
another
specific
request
of
the
agency
at
a
prior
workshop
that
they
wanted
some
level
of
assure
that
you
wanted.
J
Thank
you,
okay,
so
let
me
address
bill's
statements
in
order,
so
the
first
thing
we
want
to
talk
about
is
how
the
downtown
district
is
different
from
the
south
end
and
it's.
It
does
not
need
to
return
funds
to
the
city
of
jacksonville.
J
So
to
to
respond
to
that,
the
downtown
district's
capital
improvement
plan,
it's
it's
fairly
large
and
we
still
have
projects
that
are
forming
the
visioning
plan.
The
estimates
provided
in
that
plan
exceed
like
4.5
million
dollars,
so
we
haven't
even
inserted
those
into
the
capital
improvement
plan,
because
bill
is
still
working
on
or
working
with
the
vendor
to
develop
estimates
to
give
to
the
cra
to
prioritize
on
what
you
all
choose
to
action.
J
So
the
the
difference
between
the
two
agencies
is
the
downtown
district.
Still
has
you
know
several
large
infrastructure
projects
to
work
through
that
it
will
be
doing
so.
For
you
know,
the
next
five
to
ten
year
range,
the
cip
plan
that
bill
distributed
to
you
all
is
a
listing
of
the
projects
within
the
next
five
years
and
in
the
downtown
plan.
You
know
primarily
we're
working
on
that
area
between.
J
Basically,
beach
boulevard
down
to
13th
avenue,
we've
completed
project
one
project
two
is
underway:
project
two
is
an
11
million
dollar
project
and
then,
after
that,
we
move
on
to
projects
three
four
and
five,
and
so
those
are
scheduled
out
in
the
cip
until
2024
at
a
total
cost
of
you
know
almost
13
million
dollars
the
other
projects
that
the
cra
is
considering,
as
you're
all
aware,
are
the
dune
walkovers
and
beach
outfalls,
and
so
we
have
2.5
million
dollars
currently
budgeted
for
the
dow
for
the
dune
walkovers
and
about
six
hundred
thousand
dollars
budgeted
for
the
beach
outfalls
over
the
next
five
years.
J
This
is,
in
addition
to
you,
know
the
estimated
4.5
million
we
have
earmarked
for
whatever
projects
that
might
come
out
of
the
visioning
plan,
so
the
downtown
cra
has
a
lot
of
projects
that
it
still
wants
to
work
through.
You
know
the
projects
identified
in
the
plan
and
prioritized
by
the
agencies
over
the
year
they
have
been
programmed
by
the
public
works
department
in
coordination
with
bill
in
terms
of
timelines
and
priority
order
and
kind
of
logical
order
of
operations.
A
B
E
E
No,
I
was
just
going
to
say
that
all
the
projects
that
ashley
was
alluding
to
are
on
page
four
of
the
capital
improvements
plan
and
you
can
see
them
it.
Just
it
graphically
shows
the
the
fiscal
outlay
that
we
have
and
it's
this
has
been
a
the
whole
downtown
infrastructure
project's
been
going
on
since
the
action
plan.
That
was
a
major
spin-off
from
the
adoption
of
the
downtown
action
plan
amendment
to
the
plan.
So
it's
not
that
these
projects
are
just
coming
up.
This
has
been
a
long-term
planned
process.
E
A
C
I
think
I'm
immune
to
now,
so
I
understand
all
the
infrastructure
projects
have
been
going
on
ever
since
I've
been
on
the
board.
C
I'm
just
curious
as
to
so
it's
my
understanding
so
chris.
My
understanding
that
the
cra,
as
long
as
it
follows
the
procedures
of
the
city
council
we
should
be,
and
we
have
the
money
we
can
follow
their
processes
and
and
use
the
money
that's
been
budgeted
for
the
year.
Is
that
correct?
That's,
correct,
okay!
So
then
my
question
actually
is:
how
do
we
make
sure
that
our
budget
is
robust
enough,
that
we
can
get
projects
done
without
having
to
evolve
city
council?
And
how
are
we
processing
that.
J
So
I
think
we
have
a
challenge
with
that
with
the
the
way
the
state
statutes
have
been
amended
in
the
last
year.
Regarding
capital
improvement
projects
in
cra
districts
in
the
past,
we
would
not
budget
them
until
we
were
essentially
ready
to
award
them,
so
we
had
a
like
a
final
number
on
them,
and
so
at
the
time
you
know
when
the
project
was
bidded
and
awarded.
At
that
time,
we
would
do
a
resolution
to
amend
the
budget.
J
The
cra
agency
would
approve
that
and
then
we
would
take
it
on
to
the
council
to
approve,
as
it's
part
of
the
global
city
budget,
so
the
statutes
that
have
changed
has
said
that
we
now
have
to
budget
civp
projects
in
the
original
budget.
So
when
you
guys
approve
the
budget
this
year,
you'll
see
for
the
first
time
in
several
years,
like
several
million
dollars
are
being
appropriated
in
the
2021
budget
for
the
projects.
J
As
part
of
that,
we
need
to
be
very
clear
with
our
engineer
estimates,
because
the
statute
speaks
to.
If
you
under
budget
your
project
and
there's
not
really
any
scope
change,
you
need
to
wait
a
budget
cycle
to
true
up
those
numbers,
so
the
numbers
that
you're
seeing
you
know
in
terms
of
wiggle
room
with
the
engineering
estimates,
we
try
and
be
very
conservative
so
that
you
know
the
full
scope
of
the
project,
we're
contemplating
all
the
costs
for
it.
J
Additionally,
you
know
we
have
this
five-year
plan,
but
if
the
agency
prioritizes
one
project
over
the
other,
what
we
can
do
in
finance
is
you
know
we
can
shift
a
project
that
was
originally
scheduled
in
year.
Two
back
to
year,
five,
as
the
agency
decides,
that
another
project
you
know
has
priority
now,
so
we
have
that
flexibility
to
serve
the
agency.
C
So
it's
my
end.
It
doesn't
really
answer
my
question.
Maybe
I'm
just
not
understanding
the
response,
and
that
could
be
on
me
but-
and
maybe
mike
may
want
to
even
comment
on
this,
but
I'm
not
trying
to
say
how
the
city
should
work
and
I'm
not
at
all
qualified
to
do
the
regulation
financing
that
you're
doing.
C
But
it's
it's
my
concern
that
we
don't
continue
the
way
we
were
back
in
the
day,
because
we
should
not
have
to
go
to
city
council
for
any
projects
that
come
up
per
se
that
fit
our
our
plan
design
or
what
we're
entitled
to
do
as
long
as
we
follow
those
processes,
so
I
guess
my
I
need
to
re
ask
my
question,
which
is:
are
we
it's
not
a
percentage
per
an
actual
assignment?
Is
there
like
a
a
bucket
on
the
side
that
we
can
title?
You
know
unforeseen
projects
coming
up?
C
Is
there
something
like
that
or
does
it
actually
have
to
have
you
know
we
want
to
do
x,
y
z?
We
can
overestimate
how
much
those
are.
So
we
don't
have
that
problem
with
underestimating
and
waiting
a
cycle.
Is
there
stuff
like
that
that
we
can
do
to
put
on
the
on
the
budget
and
then,
if
so,
if
we
don't
do
that
project,
can
it
be
reassigned
the
next
year
to
something
else.
E
Let
me
preface
ashley's
response
with
one
thing:
the
big
credo
we
got
through
our
fra
training
was
you
can
do
it
if
it's
in
the
plan,
but
just
because
it's
in
the
plan
doesn't
mean
you
have
to
do
it
right
now.
The
downtown
plan
is
set
on
projects
that
we
know
we're
going
to
do.
We
don't
have
any
wish
list
projects
necessarily
that
are
identified
in
the
plan
unless,
when
we
have
our
meeting
with
oh
all,
these
firm
names
shepard
with
cliff
shepard's
firm.
E
If
we
get
if
we
find
out
there
is
some
other
dynamic
projects
that
guess
what
they
we
oversaw
them.
We
didn't
see
them
they're
still
in
the
plan.
At
that
point,
the
cra
would
have
the
option
saying
hey.
We
recommend
maybe
taking
a
year
back
from
the
infrastructure
project
diverting
some
of
those
funds
to
this
project.
That's
already
in
the
plan
that
we'd
like
to
prioritize
over
that,
I
don't
think
we're
going
to
find
a
big
list
of
those
projects.
E
So
the
first
task-
and
I
don't
mean
to
be
repetitive
again-
is
after
we
get
our
hands
wrapped
around
this
consolidated
downtown
plant
for
what
it
is
just
like
we're
going
to
do
in
the
south,
and
we
had.
We
need
to
identify
amendments
to
achieve
those
type
of
projects
that
you
wish
were
in
the
plan,
but
aren't
in
there
now
and
then
annually.
It
becomes
a
review
of
whether
or
not
you
want
to
divert
the
existing
funding
stream
for
the
downtown
projects
to
some
of
these
newer
projects,
but
they're
not
in
the
plan.
Yet.
C
From
based
off
that,
that
would
mean
that
if
we
had
money
assigned
to
a
project-
and
we
want
to
divert
one
project-
that's
on
the
budget
to
something
else
that
popped
up.
We
still
have
to
go
to
city
council
to
get
approval
to
move.
That
is
that
not
correct.
E
C
I
I
feel
at
this
point
that
no
one's
able
to
provide
me
an
answer
that
will
let
us
work
like
chris
has
confirmed
multiple
times
that
we
should
have
enough
in
our
annual
budget.
That
will
let
us
maneuver
funds
to
deal
with
issues
in
the
cra
without
involving
the
council.
As
long
as
it's
in
our
purview
like,
I
feel
no
one's
giving
me
an
answer
to
that.
E
I'll
make
sure
that's
a
point
when
we,
when
we
bring
in,
we
may
ask
cliff
shepard
if
they'd
be
involved
in
doing
some
training
with
us,
but
there's
a
philosophical
difference
here
and
it's
I
understand
that
you
don't
get
that
part
of
it
I'll
make
sure.
That's
definitely
part
of
the
the
formal
training
that
we
get.
It's
not
gonna
be
july,
30th
now,
but
in
the
near
future.
E
I
understand
that
because
we
come
up
with
the
same
difference
of
opinion,
and
I
understand
that
you
don't
think
that,
because
the
statute
says
we
follow
the
purchasing
procedures
of
the
city.
Literally
to
me.
That
means
literally,
we
follow
the
purchasing
procedures
of
the
city
and
that's
that's
how
I've
been
trained
and
that's
how
I
came
on
board
to
do
this.
C
We
do
have
this
money
we
can
or
we
can
overestimate
these
projects
and
then
refund
those
over
somehow
with
some
accounting,
whatever
I
was
hoping
for
something
like
that,
so
that
we
can
have
a
little
more
cushion
but
like
if
something
came
up
and
we
wanted
to
fund
the
memorial
thing
without
going
to
a
council
or
if
we
had
a
structure,
certain
things
that
we
could
do
mid-year
than
having
to
plan
out
a
whole
year
in
advance
and
hope
that
we
stick
to
it
and
really
not
ever
have
it's
just
that's
what
I
was
hoping
for,
but
I
guess
I'm
not
going
to
get
it.
A
Well,
let's
do
this
either
ashley
or
chris,
if
you
guys
can
walk
us
through
what
we
approved
at
the
special
meeting
earlier
this
week,
the
earlier
this
month,
the
40
000
for
the
the
camera
system
for
the
police.
Why
did
why
did
we
have
to
go
get
that
approved
by
city
council?
Why
couldn't
we
handle
that
on
our
own?
A
K
I
mean
I'll,
give
it
ashley
you
can
chime
in
from
your
perspective,
but
my
my
position
on
all
this
and
I've
expressed
this
to
francis
as
well,
and
she
stated
if,
if
the
items,
if
there
are
items
within
the
cra
authority,
then-
and
I'm
actually
going
to
read
straight
from
something
that
I've
produced
earlier
for
the
or
a
response
to
this
very
issue-
was
that
my
opinion
is
and
the
way
that
I
interpret
the
florida
statutes-
and
I
think
this
is
the
correct
interpretation-
is
that
this
cra
body
has
been
empowered
with
all
of
the
rights
and
privileges
to
enter
into
contracts,
provide
and
arrange
for
any
contracting
services.
K
Solicit
requests
for
proposals,
solicit
services,
pay
for
those
services,
and
the
only
requirement
is
that
if
the
cra
takes
any
of
those
steps,
that's
without
city
council
involvement.
The
only
requirement
is
that
the
cra
would
just
follow
the
same
procedures
that
the
city
would
follow
in
obtaining
those
same
services
or
letting
the
contracts.
K
So
that
that's
my
that's
my
position,
and
I
don't
if
it.
If
there's
a
budget
that's
already
available
for
the
cra,
I'm
not
sure
why
it
would
have
to
go
back
to
city
council,
because
the
council,
through
its
ordinance,
that
created
the
cra,
it
has
vested
all
of
those
powers
and
authorities
that
are
contained
in
chapter
163
to
this
body.
J
J
The
city's
position
is
that
the
agencies
are
a
component
of
the
city's
entire
budget,
so
we
would
follow
that
same
process
and
amend
the
budget
with
the
city
council
and
then
also
because
there
is
no
independent
purchasing
policy
for
the
agency.
It
would
follow
the
city's
purchasing
policy,
which
states
that
purchases
over
twenty
five
thousand
dollars
that
are
not
budgeted
and
are
not
otherwise
competitively
awarded,
need
to
be
approved
by
the
council.
J
I
guess
from
an
accounting
point
of
view,
you
know
we
wouldn't
want
to
just
budget
something
that
we're
not
sure
will
come
to
pass
in
the
process
of
bringing
it
in
front
of
the
agency
and
having
the
agency
decide
on
it.
You're
already
going
to
be
like
discussing
it
in
a
meeting
so
making
the
motion
in
the
meeting
and
adjusting
the
budget
is
a
kind
of
very
transparent
and
straightforward
accounting
for
something
like
that.
So.
C
I
think
I
would
like
to
make
a
motion
for
us
to
find
a
way
to
increase
our
reserve,
because
there's
no
way
you
can
empower
an
agency
that
has
no
no
power
and
there's
no
way.
You
can
empower
an
agency
with
no
money
to
move
forward
with
any
projects
that
are
even
small
without
having
to
incorporate
you
know
multiple
places
it's
going
to.
C
I
would
like
to
make
a
motion
to
do
that
and
if
there's
any
way
to
increase
that
or
any
parameters
that
you'd
want
I'd
like
to
hear
them,
because
we
have
our
hands
tied
and
we
can't
do
anything,
we
should
have
been
able
to
approve
a
forty
thousand
dollar
camera
upgrade
without
having
to
go
to
city
council.
We
just
should
have
been
able
to
do
that.
A
G
J
I
I
guess
I
look
at
them
as
one
budget
you
know,
your
your
budget
is
comprised
of
your
personal
services.
You're
operating
in
your
capital
and
capital
needs
to
be
budgeted
by
project
as
the
guidance
in
the
state
statutes
for
redevelopment
agencies,
and
so
I
think,
we're
focusing
on
capital,
because
those
are
the
projects
that
are
a
little
bit
fluid
where
the
priority
order
might
change
with
those
within
your
operating
budget.
You
know
we
have
money
set
aside
for
repairs
and
maintenance.
J
If,
like
one
camera,
you
know
needs
to
be
repaired,
you
guys
the
latitude
is
there
to
go,
make
that
repair,
but
with
the
capital
we
need
to
be
budgeting
capital
by
specific
project,
and
so,
if
we
don't
have
that
project
in
the
original
budget,
we
can
bring
it
forward.
The
agency
can
formally
adopt
it
with
a
resolution
and
we
can
amend
the
bot
on
the
budget
that
way.
G
The
thing
I
guess
I'm
trying
to
get
my
arms
around
is
when
I
go
back
to
the
cra
resolution
for
last
year,
which
adopted
the
operating
budget
for
fiscal
year
beginning
october,
1
2019.,
there's,
there's
always
an
ending
balance
and
right
now,
at
the
end
of
2020,
there's
supposed
to
be
an
ending
balance
of
26
million
dollars,
almost
27
million
dollars,
where
how
does
that
tie
into
the
other
budgeting
sheets
that
we
see
on
page
one
or
page
four?
G
I'm
I'm
not
sure
how
we
tie
all
of
that
together,
because
if
we've
got
26
million
dollars
in
the
downtown
district,
somehow
those
dollars
need
to
get
spent
and
I'm
not
seeing
how
we're
spending
all
of
the
money
that
right
now
is
in
the
budget.
We're
projecting
out
over
the
next
five
years.
How
we're
going
to
do
it,
and
I
have
a
number
of
questions
about
you
know
what's
being
budgeted
and
you
know
there
seem
to
be
a
number
of
items
that
aren't
included
in
the
in
the
expenses
area.
G
That
should
be
there,
such
as
pressure
washing
and
you
know
doing
a
lot
of
the
dick's
height
work,
whether
it's
the
lighting,
the
signage
and
things.
To
that
extent
there
to
me
it
doesn't
seem,
like
we've
got
all
of
the
items
identified
in
the
budget.
That
really
need
to
be
there.
G
In
fact,
when
you
go
to
1
of
the
sheets
that
we
were
given,
you
go
to
phase
3
c
3
d
redevelopment
funding,
you've
got
4.1
million
and
24
2024
and
then
the
total
is
2.2.
Excuse
me
12.2
million,
but
when
you
go
to
the
fiscal
plan,
that's
on
page
four
for
fiscal
year
2024,
it's
only
4
million,
it's
not
4.1
and
the
total
obviously
is
different
too.
G
So
you
know-
and
I
guess
I'm
trying
to
also
understand-
where
is
all
of
the
sources
of
funding,
because
you
know
for
2021
we're
only
showing
785
000
in
the
sources
of
funding.
Why?
Wouldn't
that
be
more,
like
you
know
the
6
million
that
the
district
typically
gets.
G
And
you
know
what
is
3
million
of
a
half
cent
infrastructure?
Surtax
bond
proceeds?
G
G
So
I'm
not
sure
what
I'm
looking
at
and
what
I'm
seeing
here
and
I
really
feel
that
in
order
to
really
get
a
budget
together
for
the
downtown
district,
we
really
need
to
sit
down
and
have
some
conversation
with
all
of
the
board
members
and
really
understand
line
item
by
line
item.
What's
going
into
the
budget?
What's
not
and
do
we
have
sufficient
reserves
to
cover
ourselves
in
case
we
we
have
some
overages
somewhere.
G
I
heard
you
make
a
comment
about.
I
think
four
million
dollars
in
some
kind
of
additional
funding
that
you
budgeted
for,
but
I'm
not
sure
what
that
is.
So
to
me.
I
I
just
got
a
lot
of
parts
and
pieces
here,
but
I
don't
have
a
complete
picture
that
gives
me
a
comfort
level,
someone
who
has
fiduciary
responsibility
on
you
know
in
reference
to
the
cra.
J
So
I
think,
if
I'll
try
and
answer
your
questions
in
reverse
order,
so
your
question
about
the
first
page
of
the
cip
plan.
It
says
4.1
million
dollars,
oh
yeah.
Thank
you.
J
J
These
are
the
revenues
from
the
agencies
that
will
be
used
for
these
specific
projects.
So
this
is
a
component
of
the
total
budget,
so
the
total
budget
for
the
downtown
cra.
J
J
To
your
earlier
question,
where
you
say:
there's
26
million
dollars
in
ending
balance,
that's
a
fun
balance
in
a
moment
of
time,
so
the
at
the
end
of
every
fiscal
year
we
do
a
year-end
appropriation
and
the
agency's
asked
to
approve
that,
and
what
we're
doing
is
the
fund
balance
at
the
end
of
a
year.
We're
assigning
those
dollars
to
specific
projects
and
those
projects
might
not
take
place
in
the
next
year.
They
might
be
taking
place
two
or
three
years
out.
J
So
to
the
your
other
question
is:
do
we
have
adequate
reserves
for
our
projects?
You
know
I'll
answer.
Yes,
we
are
monitoring.
You
know
the
the
plan,
the
agency's
plans,
the
projects
associated
with
those
plans
and
that
for
the
estimated
revenues
each
year
for
the
tax
increments
funds
some
years
we
might
spend
more
than
the
annual
revenues.
If
we
have
an
especially
large
project
and
some
years
we
might
put
money
into
reserve
as
we're
saving
up
and
planning
for
that
next
large
project.
G
I
mean
it
helps
a
little
bit,
but
if
we've
got
26
million
dollars
at
the
end
of
the
2020
fiscal
year
and
we're
showing
how
we're
spending
35
million
in
the
way
of
funding
sources
over
the
next
five
years,
it
means
that
we
still
have
26
million
dollars
remaining
in
the
in
the
in
our
budget.
In
some
way.
J
So
that
was
one
of
the
challenges
with
budgeting
the
cras,
because
in
the
past
we
did
not
budget
the
projects
until
they
were
awarded.
We
would
kind
of
earmark
those
funds
in
the
cash
flows,
but
the
document
that
you're
looking
at
the
original
budget
from
last
year
that
doesn't
show
any
capital
expenditures
for
the
year.
J
J
G
And
we
might
as
well
put
those
funds
to
use,
because
you
know,
to
a
certain
extent,
we're
doing
work
within
those
two
districts
to
improve
the
infrastructure
and
other
aspects
and
monies
that
the
city
would
otherwise
have
to
come
up
with
to
improve
in
those
areas.
So
it's
to
a
certain
extent.
The
city
is
deriving
a
greater
benefit
when
they're
not
giving
the
funds
back
again,
and
I
think
we,
you
know,
we
really
need
to
sit
down
and
have
a
hard
look
at
these
budgets,
because
there
there's
plenty
of
work.
A
There
we
go
we're
gary
to
let
you
know
we're
still
going
to
plan
the
cra
training
and
hopefully
we'll
get
that
done
in
the
next
couple
of
weeks.
Definitely
sometime
in
august
and
gilmore
and
taylor
are
going
to
talk
about
that
later
on
in
the
same
meeting
jeff
jones,
you
had
your
hand
up,
but
before
I
before.
G
I
leave,
I
guess
what
I'm
still
trying
to
understand,
and
this
was
the
question
I
had
at
our
last
meeting.
What
is
the
budgeting
process
that
we're
going
to
be
using
to
get
a
budget
approved
for
the
cra
prior
to
it
going
to
the
city
for
approval,
because
it's
part
of
the
city
budget
and
the
city
is
getting
ready
at
the
end
of
this
week
to
start
having
its
budgeting
meetings
and
we
haven't
even
gotten
a
budget
in
front
of
us,
a
complete
budget
that
can
help
us
understand.
G
What's
going
to
be
going
on
for
the
next
year?
For
us
and
somehow,
we've
got
the
tail
wagging
the
dog
here,
in
my
opinion,
and
and
we
need
to
figure
out
what
we're
going
to
need
to
do
so
that
we
have
our
ducks
in
a
row
so
that
the
city
can
then
move
forward
and
do
its
final
budgeting
process.
J
A
E
G
C
I
would
like
to
add
that
I'd
also
think
that
at
gary's
point
we
should
be
able
to
add
things
to
this
list
prior
to
it
being
approved
for
the
year,
so
we're
not
held
without
having
what
we
would
like
directed
as
well.
E
But
for
capital
projects
you've
got
that
ability,
for
instance
you
I
don't
remember,
who
said
a
little
while
ago,
like
where's
the
money
for
the
pressure
washing
and
the
down.
The
other
thing
you
didn't
mention
was
the
the
palm
tree
trimming
it's
in
the
maintenance
for
the
downtown
district.
If
you
look,
I
can't
remember
what
line
item
it
is.
I
can't
read
this.
E
J
Trimming
is
a
contract
services
and
we
have
126
000
budgeted
for
various
contract
services,
but
largely
the
tree
trimming
the
elevated
level
of
maintenance
of
trimming
the
trees
in
a
second
time
throughout
the
year,
and
this
city
pays
for
the
original
or
the
initial
trimming
and
then
the
paver
cleaning
and
graffiti
abatement.
That's
in
the
46
repairs
and
maintenance
account
about
halfway
down
the
page
301
500,
and
that
is
largely
the
elevated
maintenance
program
for
the
downtown
area.
G
E
Well,
the
consultants
we're
paying
right
now
are
out
of
this
year's
budget.
We
do
have
as
a
line
item
next
year
under
item
32
professional
services
we
put
in
thirty
thousand
dollars.
That's
the
type
of
thing.
If,
if
you
and
your
own
mind
know
right
now,
hey
we
wanna
get
whether
it's
shepherd's,
firm
or
another
firm
to
pick
up
on
where
they
came
up
with
a
plan
consolidation
and
give
us
some
ideas
how
to
go
forward.
E
That
could
perhaps
be
increased
on
that's
if
you
want
to
have
that
discussion,
we
can
do
that
as
well.
So
that
would
be
an
item
that
gives
you
a
little
more
discretion.
Just
say:
hey.
We
want
to
increase
our
professional
services
budget,
so
we
can
entertain
getting
outside
consultants
because
the
cra
can
pay
to
have
studies
performed.
That's
not
something
the
capital
improvements
are
where
we
really
need
to
tie
it
down
to.
We
have
known
projects,
but
the
consulting
work.
That's
something
that
we
could
look
at.
If
you
don't
think
thirty
thousand
dollars
is
adequate.
E
E
E
We
don't
have
it
in
our
minds,
and
that
was
the
main
point,
but
while
we
had
it,
it
was
just
a
good
way
to
let
you
know
where
we
are
in
the
budget
process
and
how
we,
how
we
do
the
budgets
every
year,
the
budget,
the
demand
for
the
budget
typically
comes
from
the
line.
Item
departments,
public
works
because
they
do
the
major
infrastructure
parks
and
they
do
the
maintenance
of
the
rights
away
and
parks
and
recreation
because
they
maintain
all
of
the
hardscape
and
all
the
parks
improvements.
G
And
I
would
say
that
you
know
it's
not
just
a
discussion
about
the
downtown
district,
but
it's
also
the
south
beach
district
right,
and
I
know
that
you're
you're
working
on
trying
to
pull
some
costs
together
on
the
capital
projects
that
we
know
are
still
outstanding
down
there.
And
I
don't
I've
not
seen
the
list
from
public
works.
That
shows
me
exactly
what
they're
seeing,
as
you
know,
outstanding
works
down
there.
G
But
I'd
really
like
to
see
that
and
understand
where
we
are,
including
the
items
that
you
and
I
had
talked
about
some
time
ago.
E
Right
and
I
have
I
have
the
projects
we
have
the
cost
identifier
for
the
projects.
I
just
had
a
meeting
with
marty
last
week
about
that.
I'm
waiting
for
estimates
from
the
city
public
works
city
engineer
to
give
an
engineer's
estimate
as
to
the
design
and
construction
of
the
multi-purpose
trail
pack.
E
When
we
get
those
numbers
in
the
next
step
will
be
to
formulate
either
a
plan,
amendment
for
the
south
end
or
a
series
of
plan
amendments
to
get
them
into
the
plan
and
then
we'll
have
the
funding
we'll
have
the
cost
estimate
and
we'll
put
them
in
whatever
the
appropriate
year.
Cip
is
when
we
get
to
that
point.
It
may
be
next
year's
budget,
so
we're
there
again.
The
point
of
this
today
was
just
to
let
you
know
as
requested
why
this
downtown
is
not
in
the
same
predicament.
E
If
you
want
to
call
it
that
that
the
south
end
is-
and
we
have
the
comfort
level
that
we're
not.
Obviously
you
need
some
more
detail
for
that.
That
is
more
what
I
envisioned
the
main,
the
training
overall
for
the
cra
for
both
districts
regardless,
but
I
wanted
to
at
least
you
know
wet
your
whistle
with
it,
because
tonight
we
were
actually
had
the
metrics
and
had
the
numbers
put
out
here
to
show
you
why
we're
not
in
trouble
this
year
downtown
or
why
we
don't
think
we
are
going
forward.
E
A
G
E
Oh,
I'm
sorry
and
just
so
you'll
know
your
your
participation
and
your
influence
in
the
budget
is
not
radically
different
than
the
city
council's
approval
and
review
of
the
budget
for
the
whole
city.
It's
the
same
thing
it's
more
of
a
lie.
If
you
see
the
line
items
at
the
end
and
you
don't
like
it,
that's
the
point
you
say:
hey,
we
don't
like
it.
I
mean
that's
how
our
city
council
does
it.
This
is
not
a
different
process
that
our
city
council
does
it's.
Just
the
cra
dealing
we're
going
to
see
anybody.
G
E
The
operational
departments
have
given
us
what
their
needs
are
and
it's
by
and
large
spending
the
money
and
for
the
south
end
we've
gotten
the
money
for
the
infrastructure
projects.
We
will
have
that
discussion
in
august.
I
mean
sorry
again,
there's
only
so
much
I
could
one
person
can
do
so.
I'm
I'm
trying
to
react
to
all
these
needs
as
quickly
as
I
can,
but
it's
it
doesn't
appear
that
it's
quick
enough.
So.
D
Let
me
toss
out
a
hypothetical
that
might
be
a
workaround
or
to
see
if
it
would
be
a
workaround.
You
know
we
have
the
within
the
operating
budget,
the
repair
and
maintenance
account.
We
also
have
the
tree
trimming.
We
have
professional
services
and
they're
to
cover
a
number
of
different
things
within
each
of
those
categories.
D
When
we
look
at
the
camera
situation
of
last
year,
if
we
had
set
up
say
a
safety
enhancement
account
and
budgeted
100
000
for
it
last
year,
and
then
the
camera
issue
came
up.
Could
we
have
covered
the
camera
issue
out
of
the
safety
enhancement
budget
or
have
a
beautification
enhancement
budget
line
item
to
cover
things
that
improve
the
overall?
D
E
I
think
you
could
to
the
point
that
it's
not
just
totally
speculative
because
as
ashley
is
always
cautions
us
on
it
comes
to
a
point
where
you
put
these
reserves
in
and
when
we
don't
spend
them
at
some
point.
They've
got
to
be
redesignated
or
you
know
it's
just
money
that
keeps
building
up.
So
we
try
to
be
more
succinct
and
more
exact
with
what
we're
spending
on.
But
if
we
go
on
the
maintenance
side,
yes,
sir,
we
could
do
that.
D
Yeah,
because
I
don't
think
you
know
things
that
francis
is
talking
about,
I
don't
think
there
are
two
or
three
million
dollar
projects.
I
don't
know
that
we
want
to
proceed
on
our
own
with
a
two
or
three
million
dollar
project,
but
if
we
come
up
with
things
moderate
size
like
this
camera
system,
I
think
is
a
good
example.
D
You
know
forty
thousand
dollars
if
we
had
a
line
item
that
we
could
associate
that
with
to
cover
and
proceed
and
authorize
it
and
take
care
of
it
without
having
to
go
to
the
city
council.
E
So
now
the
onus
is
not
as
immediate,
but
we
still
have
the
interference
issues
and
we
still
need
to
get
it
fixed,
and
I
think
you
heard
from
could
have
been
mark-
or
I
may
not
have
heard
it
in
your
group,
but
from
the
police
chief.
There
are
other
further
enhancements
downtown.
We
want
to
make
those
will
be
packaged
as
a
capital
project
they're,
not
just
maintaining
the
existing
system,
it's
enhancement
to
it.
It's
added
capabilities
to
it.
D
Well,
do
we
have
to
be
specific
on
identifying
it?
We
could
historically
say
there
was
a
hundred
thousand
a
year
of
expenditures.
We
ended
up
making
for
police
and
safety
enhancements,
so
we
go
forward
to
this
year
and
say
we're
anticipating
that
we're
gonna
have
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
this
upcoming
year.
We
don't
know,
what's
going
to
come
up
through
the
year,
but
we're
based
on
prior
history,
we're
estimating
100
000
of
safety
enhancements.
E
E
I
think
for
at
least
two
years
and
it
hadn't
come
up
as
an
issue,
but
it
just
now
has
so
I
get
it
to
a
point,
but
my
question
to
ashley
would
be
what,
if
we
do
that,
and
then
we
come
at
the
end
of
the
year
and
we
didn't
spend
you
know,
let's
say
we
add
another
hundred
thousand
dollars
under
repair
and
maintenance
and
we
don't
spend
it
or
we
identify
a
capital
project
like
you
said,
because
if
you're
talking
about
enhancement
to
a
system,
that's
not
maintenance.
That
would
be
a
capital
outlay
project.
E
J
So
if
we,
if
we
set
money
aside
and
don't
spend
it,
it
goes
back
into
reserves
and
at
the
end
of
every
fiscal
year
the
cra
agencies,
each
district
has
to
appropriate
all
of
the
fund
balance
to
projects.
Any
balance
that
is
not
appropriated
to
a
project
must
be
returned
to
the
taxing
authorities.
J
So
you
know
to
the
question
about
setting
money
aside
each
year
like
setting
aside
a
hundred
thousand
dollars,
for
you,
know
additional
security.
We
can
pursue
that
path,
but
then
we'd
have
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
every
year.
That's
programmed
for
something
that
may
or
may
not
happen,
and
so
it
would
kind
of
limit
the
ability
to
plan
for
other
projects
and
then,
when
we
get
to
the
end
of
the
year,
and
we
return
the
hundred
thousand
dollars
to
the
fund
balance,
then
we
kind
of
have
to
work
with
it
to
figure
out.
J
You
know
which
projects
to
reallocate
that
to
and
whatever
project
we
allocate
something
to
at
the
end
of
the
fiscal
year.
That
is
we're
bound
to
that
with
the
state
statutes
about
allocating
project
dollars.
We're
committing
to
that.
J
I
think
it
might
you
know
it's
it's
a
path
we
can
talk
about.
It
might
inhibit
your
ability
to
do
planning
on
a
larger
scale
if
you're,
reserving
kind
of
contingency
dollars
in
every
budget.
You
know
it's,
it's
less
funds
that
you
can
program
for
a
specific
project.
That's
on
the
that's
in
the
plan
and
on
your
agenda
for
the
future.
D
D
Okay,
I'm
not
sure
I'm
quite
following
that.
You
know.
If
we
had
just
say
we
had
a
hundred
thousand
dollar
account,
we
had
to
return.
The
whole
thing
is
that
hundred
thousand
dollars
really
going
to
limit
us
in
the
future.
D
J
So
I
guess
I'd
want
to
understand
a
little
bit
more.
The
hundred
thousand
dollars
you
want
to
keep
aside
is
that,
like
a
contingency
or
is
that.
D
It's
to
cover
a
situation
that
we've
faced
over
the
last
couple
of
years,
where
small,
relatively
small
projects
come
up
that
we
hadn't
known
about
at
the
beginning
of
the
year.
We
want
to
approve
them,
but
we
don't
have
it
in
the
budget
or
a
line
item
in
the
budget,
so
it
has
to
go
through
the
city
council
process.
D
If
we
had,
we
anticipate
that
we're
going
to
have
these
things
and
we
come
up
with
an
estimate
of
what
we
might
be
expected
to
have
on
an
ongoing
year
by
year
basis,
and
so
we
budget
for
that
and
chances.
Well,
I
guess,
based
on
past
experience,
we
might
find
that
they
continue
to.
We
have
four
or
five
items
that
eat
up
the
hundred
thousand.
J
So
so,
if
I'm
understanding
it's
the
question
of
like
passing
the
appropriation
through
to
the
city
council,
but
if
it
was
just
the
cra
that
was
approving
it,
your
current
method
of
doing
a
resolution
and
a
budget
amendment
to
go
forward
and
do
that
project
or
that
repair.
That
is
sufficient.
In
my
understanding.
L
E
A
Well,
you
guys
can
what,
if
this
stuff
to
death-
and
you
don't
need
to
do
it
in
the
middle
of
a
meeting,
and
let
me
go
ahead
and
encourage
you
guys
now
you
don't
have
to
wait
to
these
meetings
to
reach
out
to
bill
or
the
ashley
or
the
chris
or
even
to
the
city
manager.
You
guys
can
meet
with
these
guys
anytime.
You
want
and
go
through
these
things.
A
Just
like
I
told
gary
last
night
we
had
because
he
had
several
spreadsheets
that
he
want
to
go
through
and
that's
one
of
the
reasons
why
we're
looking
to
bring
somebody
else
in,
and
so
you
guys
can
feel
comfortable
reaching
out
to
somebody
specifically
about
cra
issues
and
budget
issues,
and
I
agree
with
everything
you're
saying
these
are
all
problems,
and
these
are
all
things
that
need
to
be
addressed.
Jeff.
You
still
have
the
floor.
A
D
A
Well,
I
had
this
conversation
with
our
our
consultants
late
last
week
and
so
we're
going
to
plan
kind
of
a
hybrid
between
the
city
training
session
they
want
to
send
us
through
and
what
they
want
to
send
us
through.
We'll
talk
about
that
after
we
deal
with
the
downtown
parking,
but
that
should
help
a
lot
of
this
stuff
or
if
nothing
else
give
us
some
foundation
to
go
from
and
then
after
that,
once
again
you
guys
can
always
reach
out
to
these
guys
individually.
D
A
E
I
got
too
much
going
on
in
front
of
me
by
the
absence
of
any
specific
emails
or
notations
to
my
part,
for
I
have
received
no
comments,
positive
or
negative.
I've
spoken
with
several
of
the
business
people
I
had
contacted
with,
and
I'm
not
trying
to
call
out
names,
but
one
of
them
was
the
big
food
service
deliver
cisco.
They
happen
to
be
downtown.
I
saw
him
delivering
the
other
day
right
before
we
had
this
conversation.
E
They
actually
deal
with
a
lot
of
the
the
different
businesses,
and,
what's
the
gentleman's
name
that
this
I
can't
think
of
his
name
anyway,
one
of
the
gentlemen's
one
of
the
managers
of
multiple
bars
downtown
they've
reached
out
to
cisco.
He
said
he
hadn't
gotten
any
comment
back
from
him,
one
way
or
the
other,
so
the
the
information
has
gone
out
there.
The
only
people
I
hadn't
contacted
with
one
of
them
was
lynches
and
that's
jim
and
taylor.
That's
who
I
gave
to
keith
doherty
one
of
our
council.
E
People
he's
the
manager
of
ledges,
but
lynch's
is
closed.
So
I'm
not
sure
if
we're
going
to
get
their
feedback
anytime
soon,
but
I
feel
from
the
people
we've
talked
to
we've,
given
all
of
them
used
roughly
the
same
or
group
of
several
delivery
services.
I
think
we've
gotten
sufficient
outreach
to
these
people,
but
they've
just
chosen
not
to
comment.
So
we've
got
what
I
think
couple
of
comments
so
far,
but
that
being
said,
if
you
wanted
to
go
forward
to
council,
you
just
need
to.
B
F
I
think
it's
pretty
much
a
non-issue
because
just
moving
them
from
the
first
street
side
over
to
the
different
avenues,
I
really
don't
think
other
than
it's
going
to
be
a
little
bit
of
a
paradigm
shift
is
to
make
sure
they
maybe
a
little
bit
extra
time.
They
got
to
hand
truck
it
over.
They
need
to
get
used
to
locking
their
trucks.
Don't
leave
all
those
beer
trucks
unlocked
around
the
corner.
F
Other
than
that,
I
think
that
I
don't.
I
think
it's
going
to
be
a
non-issue.
A
Okay
bill,
so
how
do
we,
how
do
we
make
our
wishes
known
to
the
city
to
the
city
council
as
an
official
request
from
the
cra
board?
E
I
think
I
would
have
learned
by
now
I'll
prepare
the
memo
to
get
it
and
I'll
discuss
what
the
city
manager
will
get
in
front
of
the
city
council
as
a
recommendation
coming
from
the
cra
to
amend,
chapter
28,
to
enforce
or
to
implement
downtown
delivery
parking
regulations,
and
that
will
go
through
that
hearing
process
at
city
council.
A
D
No
I've
just
I've
observed
a
lot
of
trucks.
There
are
a
lot
of
trucks
that
comply
with
the
ordinance
right
now,
including
down
in
the
second
avenue.
Second
street
parking
lot.
They
were
out
there
for
an
hour
or
so
on
saturday
delivering.
So
I'm
obviously
in
favor.
C
I
recently
saw
a
lot
of
the
issues.
Jeff
was
mentioning
in
action
over
the
past
week,
including
an
ambulance
going
by
and
after
watching
that,
with
all
the
bikers
one
hat
and
whatnot.
I
fully
support
this
and
I
approve
it
as
well.
B
Damn,
yes,
I
know
mr
man
mentioned
lynch's
is
closed,
but
then
I
noticed
that
lynch
is
sort
of
landlocked
in
their
deliveries
will
be
very
difficult
there.
Do
you
think
we
will
get
some
pushback
on
that
later
or
whatever
we
decide
will
be
enforced.
E
Well,
I
can
tell
you
that
for
at
least
not
well,
actually
he's
turned
out
so
at
least
through
november
councilman
doherty,
who
is
also
the
general
manager
of
lynch's,
will
see
this
from
the
city
council
side
and
of
all
the
properties
with
a
potential
delivery
issue.
It
would
probably
be
lunches.
I
still
feel
that
the
the
half
alley
that's
stubbed
out
just
to
the
north
of
lynches
would
be
adequate
for
somebody
to
just
drive
by
back
in.
E
Yet
france
is
right
in
front
of
your
no
it's
not
in
front
of
your
building,
it's
in
front
of
the
gallery,
I'm
sorry
wrong
block,
but
anyway
they
have
a
parking
lot
between
the
gallery
and
them
that's
totally
adequate
to
pull
in
for
deliveries
or
not.
E
That
is
one
of
the
avenues
that
we're
restricting
traffic
on,
because
it
feeds
from
the
light
at
fourth
avenue
and
that's
a
tighter
alley,
but
between
those
properties,
lynches
may
be
one
that
would
would
have
an
issue
with
just
the
deliveries
being
around
the
corner
in
front
of
v
pizza.
E
That's
where
it
would
be,
it
would
come
from
v
pizza,
so
they'd
have
to
walk
past
the
front
of
v
pizza
to
get
to
lynch's,
it's
still
less
than
a
block,
because
that
we're
not
restricting
that
alley
in
front
of
the
pizza
between
v
and
or
between
v
and
mangoes
across
the
street.
That
was
that's
one
of
the
available
avenues
for
delivery,
so,
but
we
may
get
a
comment
from
them
for
mr
dougherty,
I
don't
know.
I
have
no
idea
I
have
reached.
We
have
reached
out.
B
D
Just
anecdotally,
I
want
to
observe
that
you
know.
As
I
said,
I
drive
around
a
lot
observing,
what's
happening
with
the
trucks
and
twice
within
the
last
month.
I've
seen
a
delivery
truck
on
fifth
avenue.
Servicing
these
pizza
walking
around
in
front
as
bill
noted
to
go
to
lynch's,
is
an
additional
20
30
feet.
So
I
don't
believe
it
should
be
an
insurmountable
obstacle
for
lynches.
A
Well,
we're
going
to
make
the
recommendation
to
the
city
council
what
we
have
in
front
of
us
as
that
was
proposed.
I
do
not
support
it.
I
have
told
you
guys
that
when
we
first
talked
about
this,
I
thought
this
is
premature,
especially
with
two
hotels
under
construction
and-
and
this
is
before
all
the
copic
stuff
started
happening.
But
once
again
we
have
four
votes
that
want
to
move
forward
with
this
so
bill.
E
You
have
the
intent,
you
have
the
area
covered,
we
need
to
add
a
section
in
there
about
what
the
fines
would
be
and
both
the
police
and
the
city.
Well,
I
think
it
was
the
police
primarily
felt
it
was
appropriate
for
100
citation.
The
other
thing
we
need
to
provide
in
this
in
the
section
of
chapter
28
is
included.
E
E
The
second
is
the
method
of
enforcement
and
they
are
proposing
that
it
go
through
the
special
magistrate,
as
opposed
to
going
through
forgive
my
general
phraseology,
but
just
through
traffic
court.
Downtown
they'd
rather
have
the
violations
be
heard
out
here
at
the
beach,
but
those
two
sections
are
kind
of
perfunctory.
So
if
it
goes
to
council
as
an
ordinance,
it
will
have
the
fine
section
and
the
enforcement
section
added.
E
A
K
Hi
chair
I
was
going
to-
I
was
just
going
to
add
what
bill
basically
said
was.
I
spoke
to
sergeant
sharp
and
commander
evans
and
bill
and
mike,
and
we
determined
that
the
best
thing
for
us
to
do
is
we
need
to
include
the
fines,
enforcement
and
hearing
sections
in
the
proposed
ordinance
and
bill
already
told
you
the
details
that
our
police
department
will
do
the
active
enforcement.
K
They
will
issue
a
local
citation
rather
than
utilize,
the
uniform
traffic
citation
which
we
you'd
normally
see.
If
someone
parks
in
a
handicapped
spot
or
you
know,
a
speeding
violation,
those
citations
cite
to
a
florida
statute
and
they
get
brought
before
a
florida
traffic
court
hearing
officer
my
recommendation
and
I
believe
the
police
department
agrees
that
our
police
officers
will
use
their
own
local
citation
form
that
they
use,
that
that
fine
will
be
for
100
per
violation.
K
C
Do
we
need
to
include
the
warnings,
because
we
were
talking
originally,
that
they
were
going
to
do
some
warnings
before
they
started
issuing
citations?
Are
we
going
to
include
that
in
any
language
that,
like
you,
know
that,
or
is
that
just
going
to
be
an
understanding
that
first
time
offense
is
not
instantly
a
ticket.
F
Mark
yeah,
I
think
with,
and
I've
already
talked
with
sergeant
sharp,
I
think
probably
what
we
would
do
is
we
would
do
that
in-house.
I
don't
think
that
should
be
addressed
unless
I'm
overspeaking
chris.
I
don't
think
that
should
be
addressed.
I
think
that
you
know
when
we
send
our
marching
orders
out
to
our
officers
as
to
what
the
intent
is
to
get
compliance
again.
It's
the
same.
F
K
Chris
and
I
realize
that
the
delivery
drivers
are
going
to
likely
be
the
same
drivers
that
those
same
officers
see
time
and
time
again.
So
we
we
talked
about
this
earlier
today
that
there
will
be
that
initial
education
process
it
won't
be
listed
in
the
it
won't
be
included
in
the
ordinance,
but
from
officer
to
driver
give
them
a
give
them
one
or
perhaps
lucky
two
chances
to
comply,
educate
them
and
then
and
then
begin.
The
strict
enforcement
with
issuing
citations.
A
All
right,
mr
gilmore,
thank
you
for
your
patience.
L
L
That's
what
we're
recommending
to
to
move
on
and
get
something
scheduled
as
soon
as
is
convenient
for
bill
and
everyone
else
can.
A
lot
can
can
come
together.
What
we
will
do
is
to
draft
for
consideration
an
agenda
on
how
to
work
and
who
would
be
involved
to
address
all
the
issues
that
we've
heard
expressed
today,
but
also
on
the
one-on-ones
that
we've
had
with
each
of
you
as
well,
and
so
fire
lee.
Mr
chairman,
other
members,
and
and
again
it's
you've
heard
bill.
Talk
about
lots.
L
The
other
thing
that
I
would
add
is
aside
from
that
point
is
that
we
did
prepare
a
a
a
time
and
task
schedule
which
we
gave
to
bill
and
we'd
be
glad
based
on
how
you
want
to
do
that.
We
can
circulate
that
to
you
via
email
or
bill
can
do
it
bill,
just
not
a
guess.
So
we
will
get
that
out
to
you
tomorrow,
okay,
but
we
did
get
that
done,
have
provided
it,
we'll
we'll
circulate
it
to
you
via
email
thanks,
sir.
A
E
A
L
L
E
Think
it
would
be
appropriate
to
do
the
latter,
given
that
the
the
group
shepard
cliff
shepard's
firm,
is
preparing
to
give
the
presentation
on
the
downtown
plan
consolidation
in
the
week
of
of
august,
the
10th
and
the
regular
schedule
meeting
would
be
august
24th.
So
that
would
be
the
earliest
that
we
would.
We
would
have
a
time
slot
to
do
that,
because
I
think
those
two
items
are
too
big
together.
G
I
E
Need
to
be
purpose
meetings
they
need
to
be
separate.
My
point
is
the
earliest.
It
could
be
would
be
the
24th,
but
after
everybody
gets
the
email
they
may
have
input
into
what
this
training
would
involve.
So
until
we
get
an
idea
about
what
the
exact
training
is,
I
don't
know
if
it
may
be
premature
to
identify
the
date
as
the
24th,
but
I'm
just
telling
you
that's
the
earliest
right
now
I
could
do
it.
If
it's
not
august
24th,
it
could
be
sometimes
a
special
meeting
in
the
middle
of
september.
A
Well,
you
know
we
have
many
members
here
chomping
at
the
bit
about
the
budget,
and
so
I
think
we're
gonna
need
to
do
the
training
before
we
start
before
we
start
getting
to
that
stuff.
So
I
think
pushing
it
off
to
the
end
of
august
is
going
to
be
problematic.
E
B
E
E
I
just
all
I
had
identified
was
the
week,
sir.
I
don't.
I
don't
schedule
these
meetings
going
forward
until
the
very
end
of
the
the
preceding
meeting,
because
it
always
changes,
I'm
not
sure,
I'm
not
sure,
what's
going
to
come
up
from
any
one
of
these
individual
meetings,
but
right
now
I've
just
gotten
it.
E
G
E
E
G
A
normal
series
of
meetings
scheduled
and
it
starts
this
friday
and
then
it's
the
third
and
fourth
and
then
the
10th
and
11th,
and
then
I
think
that
covers
it,
then
for
them.
A
M
Okay,
all
right.
Thank
you.
First
of
all,
good
discussion
about
the
budget
the
out
years.
There
I
think,
eventually
there
will
be
a
good
process
there
on
where
the
money's
coming
in,
where
it's
going.
M
M
Specifically
things
like
latham
park,
plaza
pier
park
plaza
garages,
none
of
those
specific
type
infrastructures
projects
are
in
the
is
even
noted
anywhere
there
and
probably
the
reason
is.
We
haven't,
had
good
vision,
discussions
around
that
and
that's
where
I
see
the
importance
of
having
cliff
cliff's
group
and
you
all
having
this
discussion
and
and
trying
to
formulate
the
out
your
budgets
to
try
to
figure
out
where
the
vision
is
and
what
projects
you
want
to
put
against
some
of
his
plants.
M
But
I
think
we
we
should
expect
that
he's
going
to
have
something
like
these
retail
mixed-use
places
that
we've
had
in
the
87
plan
and
the
2007
plan
and
some
discussion
around
garages.
So
I
think
we
should
at
least
know
going
in
that
those
are
going
to
be
discussion,
points
that
we
should
start
thinking
about
where
you're
going
to
plug
those
in
to
the
longer
term
budget
budget
outlooks-
and
maybe
it's
as
gary
stated-
maybe
it's
further
than
five
years.
M
Maybe
you
need
something
longer,
but
you
know
the
way,
I'm
looking
at
the
five-year
plan,
there's
nothing
in
there
that
tells
the
residents
that
you're,
making
the
downtown
a
vibrant
resident
friendly
place,
that's
going
to
have
more
shops
and
and
restaurants,
and
that's
something
you
all
know
we're
that
we're
looking
for
so
again.
I
understand
the
need
for
for
the
project
three,
but
I
think,
as
as
this
year's
budget
comes
around
the
corner.
M
The
first
question
I
hope
you'll
have
for
cliff
is
what's
this:
what's
can
we
put
into
the
budget
the
capital
budget
that
we
can
get
done
right
away
and
you
plug
that
in
right
away,
so
that
the
the
council
that
that
council
sees
that
money
and
you
don't
have
to
go
back
to
them
and
you
can
start
pushing
a
vision
plan
forward
which
we
haven't
done?
M
A
good
job
of
the
other
part
of
this
is
a
discussion
and
putting
in
the
monies
for
what
I
would
call
a
step
plan
between
now
and
when
we
actually
achieve
getting
these
projects
like
dolphin
depot
and
spring
hill
suites
built.
I
mean,
we've
got
all
these
fences
and
I
know
jeff
mentioned
beautifying
the
downtown,
and
francis
mentioned
it.
So
what
kind
of
money?
M
There
was
a
business
meeting,
a
business
vision
meeting
that
was
held
by
mike
here
a
week
or
so
ago,
and
the
comment
was
made:
why
are
we
not
leveraging
our
ocean
and
getting
like
rooftop
bars,
okay
and
jeff?
I
you
probably
were
in
that
meeting
where
the
metropolitan
people
said
look.
What's
can
we
get
the
spring
hill
suites
to
put
a
rooftop
bar
there,
and
I
think
the
response
was
well.
M
We
have
a
height
problem
and,
and
this
and
that
and
I'm
thinking,
is
it
too
unreasonable
now
that
the
spring
hill
suites
is
in
hold
to
go
back
to
them
and
say,
hey,
look,
take
another
look
at
this.
Is
there
any
way
that
we
can
get
a
rooftop
bar
and
not
have
to
go
through
a
height
referendum?
So
you
know
again,
this
could
be
two
years
off.
M
Nobody
knows
when
spring
hill
suites
is
going
to
start
building,
but
maybe
there's
a
way
that
they
could
revisit
that
and
maybe
help
out
some
of
the
folks
there
in
the
metropolitan
that
had
concerns
about
looking
down
on
air
conditioning
and
also
give
the
residents
something
there.
That
says,
we're
a
town.
That's
on
the
move
or
progressing
somewhere
so
anyway,
that
was
out
that
came
out
in
the
business
vision
meeting
and
I
think
it's
something
to
maybe
run
back
up
the
flagpole
and
see
if
there's
anything
there
for
spring
hill
suites.
A
Bill
you
know
the
the
first
thing
that
pops
into
my
head
after
listening
to
kim,
is:
why
did
anybody
tell
us
about
that
meeting.
E
I
And
this
is
mike,
they
were
not
targeted
in
any
particular
area
of
the
city.
It
just
so
happened
that
we
had
a
few
business
entities
from
the
downtown
that
wanted
to
participate
in
that
particular
meeting,
including
sunny
beaca,
but
it
was
not.
It
was
not
something
where
it
was
targeted,
specifically
for
the
downtown
or
the
cra.
C
No,
I
was
just
saying
that
I
was
told
it
was
not
related
because
I
actually
was
going
to
go
as
well,
but
I
was
told
that
it
was
not
for
downtown
businesses
and
therefore
wasn't
going
to
be
the
downtown
area.
That's
why
I
wouldn't
think
we
would
get
it.