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A
Okay,
jim
we're
right
at
maybe
we
should
go
ahead
and
get
started
and
we
can
catch
anyone
up.
Who
was
a
few
moments?
Late?
We've
got
some
bad
weather
here,
so
it
maybe
has
some
hesitation
for
people
joining
in
because
of
the
weather,
so
we
can
just
catch
them
back
up
to
speed
when
they
join.
B
A
C
B
So
if
we
want
to
go
ahead
and
get
started,
we
can
do
that
and
then,
if
we
have
any
late
arrivals
due
to
weather
or
anything,
we
can
either
refer
the
recording
to
them
or
I
can
talk
to
them
separately
or
individually.
I
think
we've
got
one
person
we're
going
to
want
to
reach
out
to
based
on
a
email
to
a
commissioner
right
and
make
sure
we
get
them
looped
in
so
they
understand
what's
happening.
B
Welcome
everyone.
Do
we
want
to
run
through
a
quick
introduction
kentrice?
Can
you
help
us
out
with
that?
Oh.
A
B
Well,
just
to
kind
of
lay
out
where
we're
at
this.
This
will
be
a
bit
of
an
overview
if
you've,
if
you've
been
to
the
stakeholder
meetings
or
followed.
The
commissioner
briefing
back
in
january
overview
with
a
little
bit
more
information,
maybe
a
little
bit
more
meat
on
it.
As
we
move
forward
towards
finishing
up
the
this
project,.
C
B
Things
we're
going
to
discuss
first
street
greenways
and
penman
road
all
for
specific
reasons.
One
was
we're
trying
to
loop
in
a
little
bit
of
discussion
around
first
street,
especially
the
business
district
and
the
the
to
tie.
The
business
is
in
to
kind
of
what
we're
thinking
on
that
and
what
we're,
what
we're
presenting
to
the
city
commission
and
recommending
to
the
city
on
the
greenway
side,
a
couple
of
the
corridors
run
along
backyards.
B
So
we'll
talk
a
little
bit
about
that
and
hopefully
alleviate
some
concerns,
done
a
little
bit
more
research
and
put
a
little
bit
more
together
on
on
greenways
and
and
we'll
be
providing
a
couple
of
recommendations
to
the
city
on
the
greenway
side
and
then
an
overview
of
penman
road
and
I'll
cover
that
third,
but
just
to
point
out
that
you
know
we
are
penman
is
part
of
the
network
that
that
we're
recommending
and
working
on.
But
it's
also
part
of
a
completely
separate
project.
B
That's
ongoing
right
now,
so
those
two
efforts
will
come
together
as
part
of
the
peters
and
naffy
project
that
the
city
of
jacksonville
has
has
going
forward.
So
with
that
we'll
go
ahead
and
get
started
just
a
quick
overview.
The
goal
we've
been
working
towards
is
is
creating
a
a
trail
network.
B
Multi-Use
trail
network
for
the
community
to
provide
access
to
all
the
different
areas
of
interest,
started
out
as
a
parks
but
kind
of
evolved
into
a
a
destination
type
of
network,
and
we've
worked
worked
it
towards
that
and
when
we
get
to
the
plan,
part
you'll
you'll
see
how
that
has
come
together,
but
the
goal
also
has
been
a
usability
for
all
ages
and
abilities
of
residents
in
in
in
the
different
modes
that
we
have.
B
We
did
a
public
survey
and
and
reached
out
to
the
public
in
in
two
different
workshops
or
two
different
public
meetings
and
and
got
a
lot
of
feedback
on
what
they
expected
and
what
they
liked
in
trails.
One
of
the
best
exercises.
I
think
that
that
we
did
was
a
a.
B
And
asked
the
public
a
reference
to
where
they've
seen,
trails
they've
really
liked
in
the
past
and
and
out
of
that
came
a
long
list
of
of
trail
corridors
around
the
country
that
were
primarily
these
greenway
trails.
These
these
dedicated
trail
systems
that
were
off
the
edge
of
the
roadway
which
challenged
us
to
find
unique
opportunities
in
and
around
jacksonville
beach,
because
jacksonville
beach
is
largely
developed.
B
On
the
first
street,
we'll
talk
about
the
residential
sections
and
go
through
those
and
that's
recreating
a
street
with
a
trail
or
a
multi-use
trail
within
the
corridor.
We
talked
about
several
cross-sections.
B
This
first
option
had
the
the
one-way
travel
lane
with
an
eight-foot
wide
buffer
and
a
ten
foot
trail,
the
key
being
a
10
to
12
foot
trail.
We
think
this
would
be
a
very
popular
route
being
just
a
block
off
the
beach,
a
lot
of
access
to
different
beach
access
points
and
a
lot
of
businesses,
everything
kind
of
loops
on
the
east
side
of
of
a1a
everything
kind
of
loops
to
this
corridor.
B
So
you
know
10
foot
to
12
foot
trail,
but
then
adding
a
significant
buffer
with
the
travel
lanes
and
and
the
goal
of
that
buffer
is
to
provide
a
safe
environment
and
when
I
say
safe,
I've
in
my
mind,
I've
always
looked
at
you
know.
If
I
have
a
four-year-old
or
a
five-year-old
who's
who's
learned
how
to
ride
a
bike
in
their
riding
with
me
or
riding
with
their
family.
B
Do
I
feel
comfortable
in
a
situation
where
they
can
navigate
that
facility
on
their
own?
As
part
of
the
family,
or
do
I
feel
like
they
have
to
be
in
some
type
of
wagon
or
car
seat,
because
I
I
can't
trust
them
in
the
environment
with
larger
vehicles
so
safe,
we
tried
to
create
that
environment
where,
where
the
family
could
ride
together
even
down
to
the
youngest
of
the
families
riding
on
that
network.
B
Knowing
that
might
be
difficult,
we
did
look
at
a
two-way
travel
lane
option
with
a
two
foot
buffer
in
between
that
and
the
trail.
I
would
not
call
that
available
to
all
users
that
two
feet
is
just
just
the
bare
minimum
of
distance
between
the
bikes
and
and
walkers
and
in
the
cars
and
it's
difficult
to
provide
a
relief.
It's
difficult
to
provide
a
curb
section
within
that
two
feet.
The
minimum
for
for
a
curb
section
would
be
four
feet,
so
the
two
foot
really
doesn't
fit.
B
I
think
the
goal
of
the
city,
but
it
did
fit
within
the
curbs
of
of
the
existing
first
street.
It
went
back
to
curb
back
curb
it's
probably
the
lowest
cost
cost
option,
but
I
really
don't
think
you
get
much
out
of
that
option
and
that
led
to
an
option
three,
which
was
maintaining
two-way
travel.
The
buffer
is
a
little
bit
narrower,
but
we
take
the
curb
and
the
sidewalk
and
create
the
12-foot
trail
that
provides
the
most
cap
capacity
on
the
trail.
B
B
Based
on
our
measurements
in
different
locations,
it
looks
like
they
vary
between
11
and
12,
but
I
think
you've
got
30,
basically
36
feet.
Three
travel
lanes
out
there
between
the
back
of
curb
between
the
backs
of
curbs,
might
be
a
little
bit
more
than
that
in
some
areas.
B
There
have
been
examples
of
reconverting
streets.
This
is
one
up
in
in
illinois.
It's
two
travel
lanes.
They
did
a
four
foot
separator
with
no
curbing
and
I'm
not
sure
why
they
did
that.
I
wouldn't
have
recommended
it.
This
type
of
situation
in
florida,
the
the
and
maybe
even
in
illinois.
This
type
situation
always
struggles
to
to
maintain
a
grass
or
growth
area,
but
the
concept
is
right.
I
suspect
illinois
probably
was
thinking
snow
removal
and
the
easiest
way
to
get
the
snow
off.
B
The
travel
lanes
in
one
direction
was
not
to
put
the
curb
there,
but
you
know
the
idea
in
the
cross
section
gives
you
an
idea
what
we're
what
we're
thinking.
As
I
mentioned,
this
is
a
probably
about
a
four
foot
based
on
the
scaling
and
it's
probably
a
little
bit
narrower
than
you'd
want.
So
what
did
that
corridor?
Look
like
this
is
about
36
feet
of
pavement
between
the
back
of
curbs,
it's
about
what
you
have
on
first
street
and
they
just
basically
reconverted
that
into
two
travel
lanes
in
the
bottom
right
picture.
B
It's
the
exact
same
location,
two
travel
lanes
with
curbing
and
then
a
four
foot
separator
mentioned
the
width
of
that
and
then
a
10
to
12
foot
trail.
B
Next
to
that
when
this
came
up-
and
we
talked
about
it
at
one
of
the
public
meetings
this
this
possibility-
the
question
was
what
what
happens
with
with
trail
users
and
cars
when
there's
trails
when
the
cars
want
to
cross
the
trail-
and
there
are
some
treatments
that
we
would
recommend
and
will
include
in
the
master
plan,
but
basically
the
cars
need
to
yield
to
the
trail
users
and
allow
those
trail
users
to
to
pass
pretty
clear
same
thing
happens
on
a
sidewalk
today
throughout
florida
the
cars
must
yield
to
the
to
the
pedestrians
or
or
use
it
the
people
using
the
sidewalk.
B
B
But
it
stands
out.
You
know
something's
happening
at
that
intersection.
The
approaches
to
the
intersection
are
are
tailored
out
to
be
different.
The
the
ada
standards
are
implemented
there
and
then
on
minor
driveways.
They
did
a
pavement
marking
on
the
trail
that
that
helps
delineate
tells
the
trail
users
what's
happening,
tells
the
drivers
that
they're
crossing
this
this
facility.
B
In
the
commercial
things
session
in
the
commercial
sections,
things
change
up
a
little
bit
and
the
goal
there
was
to
create
an
environment
where
you
could
have
the
trail
work
through
the
commercial
section
and
and
involve
pedestrians
into
the
street
areas
where,
where
traffic
would
be
secondary
to
the
travel
pedestrians,
we
covered
this
in
the
council
briefing
at
the
end
of
january,
and
one
of
the
directions
was
to
talk
to
the
police
department
and
we
did
we
met
with
the
police
department
and
they
brought
up
several
concerns.
B
They
loved
the
idea
of
bringing
this
down
to
a
pedestrian
scale
through
that
area.
They
mentioned
that
the
businesses
currently
get
a
lot
of
deliveries
through
that
area
and
they
felt
it
was
important
to
maintain
that
delivery
aspect,
and
they
were
curious
as
to
how
we
would
accomplish
that,
and
these
streets
can
happen
in
many
different
ways.
This
is
wall
street
in
asheville
north
carolina.
This
is
a
street,
that's
open!
I've!
I've
personally
been
down
it
a
couple
of
times
and
you
will
many
times
encounter
pedestrians
walking
through
the
street.
B
Much
like
you
see
here
in
this
picture
as
a
car
proceeds
down
through
the
street,
the
key
to
it
is
the
environment,
pulls
the
car
down
to
a
pedestrian
speed.
You
just
basically
crawl
through
that
through
that
area,
but
it's
accomplished
through
a
couple
of
different
approaches.
One
the
pavement
is
flush
that
helps
invite
the
people
out
into
the
street.
The
street
furniture
comes
out
to
the
edge
of
pavement
or
the
edge
of
a
travel
lane,
and
then
the
pavement
texture
changes.
B
This
one
in
new
york,
you
can
see
it's
actually
a
paver
area.
You
can
see
the
street
furniture
pulled
out
and
deliveries
in
this
case
are
made,
but
there's
more
than
enough
of
a
welcoming
environment
for
pedestrians
to
work
their
way
through
the
street
this
one
in
in
boston.
B
This
one
does
have
a
little
bit
of
a
curb
section
along
the
one
area,
but
the
street
kind
of
the
pedestrians
in
the
street
kind
of
take
over
once
again.
Deliveries
are
made
in
that
location,
so
kind
of
looked
at
these
different
examples
and
how
that
would
work
on
on
first
street
so
that
you
could
maintain
that
state
street
state
street
in
madison
wisconsin
runs
between
the
capitol
and
the
university
of
wisconsin.
B
It
is
entirely
pedestrian
and
and
bicycle
with
the
exception
of
official
vehicles
and
that's
either
state
vehicles
or
buses.
For
example,
the
street
furniture
is
pulled
down
into
the
street,
and
people
are
welcome
to
use
the
street
cars
tend
to
stay
away
from
it.
Obviously,
it's
a
limited
limited
route
for
for
different
types
of
vehicles,
but
vehicles
are
on
on
that
area,
but
it
still
has
the
look
and
feel
of
a
street
16th
in
denver
colorado.
Downtown
denver
is
quite
a
long
route
actually
and
they've
brought
in
the
the
street
furniture.
B
The
pedestrians
work
in
there
is
a
travel
lane
for
the
bus,
there's
a
corresponding
traveling.
On
the
other
side
of
this,
the
center
area,
there
is
a
curb
on
one
side
of
the
travel
lane,
but
not
necessarily
on
the
other.
B
It's
a
little
bit
of
a
valley
gutter
on
the
other,
but
the
pavement
texture
changes-
and
this
is
this-
is
probably
a
good
example
and
one
that
that
we
tried
to
focus
on
as
we
tried
to
create
that
that
environment
for
first
street
through
the
commercial
area,
because
this
one
still
allows
the
the
vehicles.
B
So
what
would
that
look
like
we?
We
did
some
sketches
and
provided
these
to
the
city,
commission
city
council,
during
the
briefing
back
in
january.
B
Actually,
the
the
downtown
area
is
done.
A
lot
of
these
elements
has
a
lot
of
these
elements
already,
so
tweaking
might
just
be
what
what
really
adds
to
it,
and
we
brought
in
some
of
the
street
furniture
ideas
and
and
created
that
one
route
down
through
the
through
the
area
that
could
be
used
for
deliveries
and
then
once
the
deliveries
are
done,
as
the
police
department
said
they
they
pretty
much
are
done
earlier
in
the
morning.
B
You
know,
maybe
by
before
lunchtime
once
the
deliveries
are
done,
we
we
can
open
the
street
for
complete
pedestrian
use,
but
the
key
is
even
if
deliveries
are
happening
or
there's
a
route
or
a
car
heads
down
through
there.
It's
it's
brought
down
to
that
that
situation
that
that
I
showed
you
up
in
wall
street
in
asheville,
which
is
you
know,
the
car
tends
to
drop
down
to
a
pedestrian
scale,
at
least
in
speed.
B
A
little
bit
closer
to
home,
this
is
in
coral
gables
florida.
They
did
a
similar,
similar
project
of
of
what
we're
talking
about
here
on
first
street,
to
bring
that
trail
or
that
multi-use
trail
environment
into
to
first
street,
and
this
is
what
the
before
looked
like.
This
is
what
the
after
looks
like
and
that's
the
exact
same
perspective.
If
you
notice
the
building
on
the
the
left
with
the
awning
is
the
building
on
the
left
here
with
the
awning,
the
green
awning
on
the
right
and
the
green
awning
on
the
right.
B
They
literally
brought
trees
and
everything
down
and
then
pulled
their
street
furniture
down
into
the
street.
Now
that
it's
accessible
to
vehicles,
if
you
needed
it,
but
they
didn't
make
it
very
practical
for
for
vehicles
if
they
pull
the
street
furniture
in.
So
we
would
look
for
some
balance
as
we
get
into
the
the
recommendations.
Part.
B
This
is
once
again
is:
is
that
denver
colorado
street?
You
can
kind
of
see
the
street
furniture,
and
this
probably
fits
fits
well.
This
street
is
a
little
bit
wider
than
you're
dealing
with
on
first
street.
I
think
this
is
about
60
to
70
feet,
depending
on
where
the
building
frontages
are
in
and
on
first
street
you're
dealing
in
the
40
to
50
range.
B
So
so
maybe
one
travel
lane
with
with
the
rest
rest
of
the
street
pulled
out,
but
I
think
what's
encouraging
on
first
is
you
do
a
lot
of
this
with
items
that
are
removable
or
easily
moved
if
it
doesn't
work
out
or,
as
you
tweak
it,
to
to
a
perfect
situation
again,
these
planters,
the
trees,
just
kind
of
settles
the
whole
corridor
down.
B
Just
refresh
everybody's
memory,
the
greenway
is,
is
basically
a
dedicated
corridor
through
a
green
belt
or
some
type
of
park
setting
it's
separated
from
traffic
completely.
You
wouldn't
experience
any
traffic
along
the
corridor,
otherwise
other
than
where
you
might
be
be
crossing
a
roadway
and
then
it's
just
a
safe
environment.
For
for
every
user.
You
know
the
scale
of
the
users
are
all
pretty
close
to
each
other,
so
you're,
looking
at
a
very
high
factor
of
safety
on
the
corridor.
Unfortunately,
the
city
of
jacksonville
beach
doesn't
have
a
lot
of
these
areas.
B
There
are
a
couple
of
areas
that
that
provide
this
opportunity,
but
the
concerns
that
came
up
where
were
you
know
how
close
were
they
to
the
residential
properties
and
backyards
and
such
how
do?
How
did
other
communities
approach
this
when
they,
when
they
dealt
with
these
and
I'll
run
through
those
examples,
and
then
consideration
of
the
future
value?
It's
always
a
question.
I've
done
a
couple
of
different
trail
projects,
and
the
question
always
comes
up
is
what
is
this
trail
going
to
do
to
my
property
values?
B
B
In
and
around
that,
we
were
looking
at
as
we
put
this
network
together.
The
golf
course
area
sits
in
the
middle
and
and
although
the
idea
would
be
a
work
work
a
trail
around
the
golf
course
there
might
be
areas
where
the
trail
comes
along
some
of
the
homes
in
and
around
the
golf
course
on
the
north
side,
reaching
up
past
tall
pine
park
in
in
through
a
corridor
pretty
much
a
green
corridor,
drainage,
drainage
way.
B
B
Permission
is
probably
easy,
but
with
it
probably
comes
maintenance,
or
at
least
that's
where
they'll
approach
the
agreement
from,
but
it's
it's
out
there
as
it
as
a
possible
corridor
shouldn't
be
ignored,
and
then
this
landfill
parcel
down
on
the
south
end
of
the
city
is
a
great
opportunity
just
to
provide
a
different
environment
to
ride
through.
But
there
are
homes
that
back
up
to
the
corridors
getting
in
and
out
of
that
and.
A
B
Part
of
the
landfill,
so
I
pulled
out
a
couple
of
case
studies.
This
is
legacy
trail
in
in
sarasota.
I
worked
on
this
project.
The
corridor
is
about
75
to
100
feet
wide.
It
was
a
railroad
corridor
and
pool
decks.
I
measure
from
pool
decks
because
that's
where
the
real
life
is
taking
place
in
the
house,
sometimes
that
the
middle
of
that
trail
is
40
to
50
feet
from
a
pool
cage,
and
this
corridor
was
my
nemesis.
B
The
houses
you
see
here
are
in
neighborhoods
that
that
were
just
adamant
that
this
trail
would
be
intrusive
to
them
and
and
just
be
a
problem-
and
I
pulled
this
photo
down
preparing
for
this
presentation
and
just
happened
to
come
across
this
picture.
Where
evidently
it's
not
that
much
of
a
problem,
because
the
the
new
communities
that
are
coming
in
are
tying
themselves
to
the
corridor.
B
You
can
see
the
boardwalk
working
across
a
wetland
coming
over
to
the
legacy
trail
corridor,
but
this
distance
here,
I
think,
was
about
45
feet
from
from
this
pool
enclosure
to
the
middle
of
the
trail,
just
as
an
example.
B
B
I
can
tell
you
this
is
also
the
pinellas
trail
one
of
those
areas.
This
just
happened.
I
don't
know
the
history,
but
there's
a
double
path
here
and
I'm
not
sure
if
they
did
it
to
to
fit
it
in
or
if
this
pass
path
was
already
there.
But
this
was
how
they
buffered
these
sections.
These
these
wood
fences
could
go
up.
B
That's
one
option:
some
communities
choose
to
leave
foliage
in
place
so
that
you
create
a
buffer
other
communities
to
do
other
approaches
or
or
no
buffer
at
all
and
I'll
show
you
that
in
just
a
minute.
So
this
is
an
area
I
was
in
several
years
ago
and
if
you're
familiar
with
dublin
ohio,
it's
a
very
nice
community,
just
outside
of
columbus
ohio
that
dedicated
themselves
years
ago
to
a
trail
network.
B
They
wanted
you
to
be
able
to
move
around
the
community
on
trails
and
they've
really
done
a
a
great
job
to
the
point
where
every
development
that
comes
in
now
has
to
contribute
to
this
trail,
not
so
much
financially,
but
they
may
have
to
make
sure
they're
providing
connections
for
the
community.
They
have
to
find
routes
for
the
community,
but
many
times
you
see,
these
trails
come
off
the
neighborhood,
maybe
off
a
cul-de-sac
or
something
and
loop
around
and
in
behind
the
homes.
B
These
trails,
this
trail
here,
is
about
75
feet
back
and
they've
done
a
good
job
planning
these
areas
so
that
the
trails
are
offset
but
many
times
getting
to
the
mainline
corridor
of
the
trails
comes
between
houses,
and
you
can
see
here.
The
trail
comes
off
the
the
cul-de-sac
street
or
off
the
sidewalk
area
and
then
up
between
the
homes.
It's
it's
it's
interesting
that
you
know
over
time.
The
community
has
grown
with
these,
and
by
and
large
they're
accepted
and
even
expected
to
have
this
happen.
B
But
there
are
just
repeated
examples:
if
you
notice
there's
no
fences,
sometimes
the
yards
are
fenced,
but
in
these
cases
there's
no
fences
buffering
the
trail
from
the
homes,
but
they
did
do
landscaping
and
some
of
that
landscaping
needs
to
grow
up
a
little
bit
but
many
times
it's
just
right
there
in
between
yards
and
it's
just
something
that
that
the
community
looks
at
and
says
you
know
this
is
a
part
of
of
our
community,
and
this
is
this
is
how
we
do
it.
B
B
In
terms
of
value,
these
are
actually
pulled
off
of
zillow
just
recently,
and
I
think
I've
mentioned
this
before,
but
not
often
do
you
list
detriments
to
your
house
sale
in
your
description.
So
this
is
a
description
so
pardon
I
took
it
straight
off
the
web
off
zillow.
B
This
is
in
sarasota
county
up
against
the
legacy
trail
and
down
here
I
won't
read
the
whole
description,
but
I
did
highlight
you'll
enjoy
one-of-a-kind
lakeside
location
in
a
wide
range
of
in-community
amenities
and
community
access
to
the
legacy
trail
different
one,
this
house
also
for
sale
in
sarasota.
They
did.
This
is
part
of
their
ad.
I
didn't
create
this
picture.
B
You
see
the
house
here
in
the
new
legacy
trail
up
through
the
back
downtown
sarasota,
the
home
backs
up
to
the
newly
developed
legacy
trail,
which
is
perfect
place
to
take
your
dog
for
a
stroll
or
a
bike
downtown.
B
B
Well
after
I
had
left,
they
went
out
to
the
community
for
a
referendum
and
the
community
passed
almost
70
in
favor
of
the
next
phase
being
funded
through
a
sales
tax,
a
short
one
or
two
year,
sales
tax
that
bought
the
corridor
built
the
corridor
and
that's
the
corridor.
You
see
this
home
backing
up
to.
B
So,
once
again
on
the
greenways
maintain
the
greenway
and
always
buffer
it
through
landscaping.
I
think
that's
important
if
you're
up
against
houses,
you
know
it's
it's
the
way
you
would
address
that
limit
and
mitigate
some
of
those
impacts
or
perceived
in
cap
impacts.
I
think
the
key,
though,
is
when
you
get
into
design
of
a
specific
corridor.
You
start
looking
at
the
details
and
the
specifics
on
a
case-by-case
basis,
which
a
little
bit
beyond
the
scope
we
we
were
working
on
here,
but
you
know
it
would
involve.
B
You
know
the
design
team
walking
that
corridor
and
identifying
exactly
where
the
trail
sits
and
what
foliage
is
existence
there
today
and
how
that
trail
would
work
through
there
and
then
determining
what
other
buffering
could
be
installed,
be
it
planted
or
or
structural,
like
a
fence,
but
in
terms
of
a
recommendation
to
the
city
council
implementation,
I
wouldn't
recommend
these
to
be
your
first
trails
that
you
fund
and
work
towards
and
construct.
B
I
think
I
think,
there's
a
lot
to
be
said
to
take
the
dublin
approach
where
you
kind
of
grow
the
network
to
these
corridors,
where
basically,
the
people
who
live
in
these
corridors
realize
they
back
up
against
something
special
and
something
unique
and
they
start
coming
to
the
community
and
saying
hey:
when
does
our
trail
come
in
next?
So
we
can
tie
to
these.
B
B
They
are
doing
a
complete
streets
project
and
the
complete
streets
effort
is
really
something
f
dot
took
on
several
years
ago.
It's
pretty
much
moved
nationwide
and
that's
how
do
you
accommodate
all
the
users
of
all
abilities?
Much
much
like
the
vision
of
your
your
own
trail
plan,
and
then
how
do
you
create
a
street
around
that?
B
So
we
did
a
little
exchanging
of
cross
sections
and
ideas
and
and
how
that
would
work,
knowing
that
that
we
were
just
working
on
the
master
plan
for
the
city
of
jacksonville
beach
and
it
included
penman,
road,
peters
and
yaffy.
The
in
jack
city
of
jacksonville
is
actually
working
on
the
project,
so
we
provided
some
ideas
and
thoughts
on
how
those
plans
could
come
together.
They
also
provided
some
some
cross-sections
and
how
it
could
work.
We
worked
off
of
either
the
existing
section.
B
Is
that
36
feet
of
pavement
from
edge
of
pavement
to
edge
of
pavement
with
a
turn
lane
in
the
middle?
How
would
you
incorporate
a
trail
in
that?
That's
from
our
perspective,
same
thing
on
on
the
proposed
section.
There
are
really
just
two
basic
sections
and
cross
sections
in
this
corridor,
but
this
boasts
basically
leaves
the
36
feet
of
pavement
as
it
is
and
and
adds
a
12
foot
trail.
B
These
came
from
us
we'll
provide
these
to
peters
and
yappy,
peters
and
yaffi
does
have
some
concepts,
and
this
is
what
they
were
working
on.
You
can
see
where
they've
taken
the
center
turn
lane
out
and
added
a
substantial
bike
lane
on
either
side.
It's
not
a
bad
idea.
The
bikes
are
a
mode
of
of
transportation,
obviously,
but
they
they're
also
considered
a
motor
motor
vehicle.
If
they're
out
on
the
travel
way
like
this,
they
include
included
in
their
cross
section
the
wider
path
and
and
sidewalk
so
we're
both.
B
The
point
is
we're
both
on
the
same
track
here
and
I
don't
see
the
the
recommendations
we're
making
in
the
trail
plan.
Contrary
to
to
what
what
the
city
of
jacksonville
is
working
on,
what
I
can
tell
you
is:
is
peters
and
yaffiel,
be
having
public
meetings
about
the
corridor
and
how
it
lays
out.
B
So
you
know
watch
for
those
and
get
involved
in
terms
of
priority
and
what
to
watch
out
for
on
on
these
these
corridors,
especially
penman
with
a
complete
streets,
is
where
do
you
want
the
priority
to
a
lot
to
lie?
Is
it
with
the
vehicle
or
is
it
with
the
you?
Come
other
users
in
the
corridor
and
that'll
come
into
a
big
question
of
you
know
what
happens
with
the
center
turn
lane,
for
example,
complete
streets
is,
is
really
about
defining
what
mode
is
most
important?
B
What
mode
you
want
to
accommodate
the
most
and
then
working
around
that
mode,
and
everything
tends
to
take
a
back
seat
to
it.
So
if
you're,
looking
at
a
pedestrian
bike
mode,
focus
on
that
and
then
and
then
work
the
vehicles
into
that
corridor
afterwards,
that's
completely
180
degrees
from
the
way
transportation
planning
used
to
work,
which
was
a
how
many
cars
can
we
fit
through
here
and
how
fast
can
we
get
them
to
go
and
then
we'll
we'll
add
a
sidewalk
and
we'll
call
it
done.
B
So
it's
really
exciting
to
watch
this
project.
I
think
I
think
it'll
be
a
big
benefit
when
you
see
the
the
priority
map
that
we're
talking
about
in
the
master
plan,
you'll
see
that
penman
does
sit
as
as
one
of
those
key
north
south
corridors,
the
other
one
being
1st
street,
and
that
starts
to
create
the
main
loop
working
through
the
the
city
of
jacksonville
beach.
B
So
with
that,
I'd
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions
or
go
back
through
slides
or
or
take
notes
on
any
concerns
or
questions.
You
want
to
address
going
forward.
C
I
have
a
quick
question,
the
I
guess
a
couple,
quick
questions
and
the
ones
for
jason
on
the
american
ave
old
landfill
area.
You
were
going
to
do
some
reach
out
through
parks
and
rec
did
that
happen
and
what
was
the
feedback
you
received?.
A
No,
it
hasn't
happened
yet
georgia.
We
were
waiting
for
jim
to
get
us
a
preliminary
draft
so
that
we
had
something
concrete
to
show
them.
We
are
hoping
to
do
that
here
within
the
next
two
to
three
weeks.
C
Great,
thank
you
and
my
second
one
is.
I
know
the
I've
been
going
council
meetings
long
enough
when
the
conversation
of
making
first
street
a
one-way
pops
up
and
the
business
owners
you
know
uniformly
come
out
against
it.
B
C
And
so
that's
going
to
be
a
a
tough
one
to
get
through.
I've
been
to
I've
been
in
a
lot
of
those
cities
that
you
showed
examples
from
denver
definitely
has
a
wider
swath,
the
one
I
believe
you
showed
that
was
in
sarasota
that
had
a
lot
of
stuff
in
the
middle
they
put
in
trees
and
such
I
believe
you
could
get
to
those
businesses
from
other
avenues,
yeah
the
first
street,
anything
that's
on
the
east
side.
C
The
only
way
you
can
get
to
it
is
via
the
beach
and
so
that
that
adds
a
little
bit
of
a
challenge,
as
well
as
all
the
ingresses
and
cutouts
along
first
going
even
outside
the
downtown
area.
C
C
B
A
Hi
jim,
this
is
sandy
golding,
looking
at
the
the
route
or
the
map.
That's
up
there
right
now.
A
B
B
Yes,
and
in
fact,
on
the
new
maps,
you'll
see
come
out
this.
This
corridor
works
its
way
all
the
way
over
to
first,
it
does.
A
B
We
did
verify
the
location
of
the
hawk
signals
and
the
plan
signals
into
the
future
and
aligned
everything
to
those
trails,
so
our
crossings
now
are
either
aligned
to
the
hawk
signals
or
aligned
to
the
pedestrian
signals.
The
pedestrian
accommodating
traffic
signals
along
the
corridor.
That
makes
sense
yes,.
B
B
Was
going
to
say,
15th
uses
that
median
through
the
middle
of
the
of
the
roadways,
kind
of
a
unique
feature,
kind
of
a
cool
esplanade
type
of
feature
that
works
through
there.
That's
one
of
that's
one
of
your
green
ways
that
works
out
real
well
should
be
a
very
nice
nice
corridor.
C
While
the
map
is
up,
I
had
a
question:
what
was
the
reasoning
for
13th?
I
know
there
is
a
part.
Is
that
13th
or
12th
16th
15th
14th
13th?
I
guess.
C
12Th
and
not
16th,
I
live
on
16th
and
I
know
it's
a
heavily
used
road
for
people
getting
their
kids
to
school.
They
they
bike
by
the
house
all
the
time
with
little
ones
going
to
school
and
then
coming
back.
B
We
tried
to
look
at
corridors
with
with
the
most
availability
and
right-of-way
that
provided
that
separation,
and
you
mentioned
it's
16th,
you
mentioned.
C
Yes,
it's.
C
B
C
And
then
it
goes
up
on.
It
goes
north
on
4th
avenue,
4th
street
and
2
12th
avenue.
B
B
Let
me
take
a
look
at
that
corridor
and
go
back
to
the
notes
we
had
when
we
very
when
we
went
through
an
an
exercise
here
in
the
office
of
of
figuring
out
the
best
routes
and
where
they
laid
on
the
network
from
a
room.
You
know
basically
how
much
right-of-way
do
we
have
standpoint
and
that
might
might
give
us
an
answer
to
that.
C
A
little
park
there
by
the
drainage
ditch,
but
it
it
was
just
odd
that,
because
16th
is
a
heavily
used
route
to
get
to
the
beach.
B
C
B
C
Probably
not
the
most
convenient
thing
for
me,
but
definitely
not
the
most
convenient
thing
for
me,
but
I
because
I
live
here
in
my
office.
I
look
at
the
road
and
the
traffic
a
lot
of
people
use
it
for
on
their
bikes
and
walking
and
running,
and
things
like.
B
I
that
the
other
exciting
opportunity
is
the
golf
course
and
and
being
open
to
to
putting
trails
on
that
we've
done
a
lot
of
research
on
how
to
fit
a
trail
in
in
in
these.
These
routes
on
the
golf
course
are
conceptual
to
a
large
degree,
but
we
have
found
a
couple
of
golf
courses
in
the
in
the
nation
that
have
trails
that
run
along
or
through
them
and
in
in
the
treatment
they've
done
to
protect.
B
The
trail
users
is
is
fairly
simple,
I
mean,
obviously
it
adds
cost,
but
but
it's
a
fairly
simple
fencing
type
structure.
B
C
Could
I
I
thought
that
we
there
was
discussion
about
also
putting
a
trail
on
shedder
and,
if
not
completely,
on
shedder,
just
south
of
beach
boulevard?
Yes,
shutter
down
nope
go
down
down
yep
there
you
go
above
the
guard,
yeah.
B
Yes,
shedder
is
now
included
in
the
map
and
on
the
trail
in
in
the
network,
it's
one
of
one
of
the
secondary
trails
that
did
come
out
of
the
the
community.
B
Shopping
center
yeah
down
in
this
area,
it
gets
a
little
difficult
to
get
it
all
the
way
over,
but
but
I
think
it's
a
good
access
point
to
get
to
that
shopping
center,
so
so
that
is
included,
as
is
crossing
beach
boulevard
straight
away
on
penman
in
in
making
this
connection
here
and
then
there's
a
couple
of
other
connections
that
kind
of
close
these
gaps
these
these
areas,
with
with
no
trails
in
them,
we've
added
some
of
those.
C
Okay
and
then
I'll
I'll
be
quiet
after
this
pablo
towers
is
just
south
of
beach
boulevard,
east
of
third
street,
and
they
walk
a
lot
specifically
to
publix,
and
just
you
know
that
just
around
is
there
an
easier
way
for
those
residents.
It's
in
a
retirement
senior
citizen
living
is
there
to
eat
yep
right
there?
Is
there
an
easier
way
to
get
to
help
those
residents
get
to
the
trail
as
specifically
going
west
east
west
on
third
to
get
to
the
publix
and
such?
B
Let
me
check
into
that
and
see
where
the
best
crossing
would
be.
You
know
I
have
to
admit
between
third
and
first,
all
those
streets
are
really
jammed.
Yeah.
B
They're
really
tight,
so
let
me
let
me
go
back
and
look
at
that.
I
made
note
pablo
towers
and
I'll
take
a
look
at
that,
so
we
can
get
a
firm
answer
to
you
on
that.
A
B
You
also
have
a
really
unique
opportunity
with
first
street
and
the
boardwalk
that
kind
of
run
parallel
to
each
other
kind
of
creates
a
neat,
little
downtown
loop
and
walk
when
it
comes
to
the
east
coast
greenway.
It
might
be
one
of
the
only
areas
like
that
in
the
entire
east
coast
that
that
has
the
you
know
such
facilities
right
up
on
the
water.
Like
that,
it's
it's!
It's
really
kind
of
cool.
A
I
do
have
one
other
one
jim.
This
was
also
brought
up.
I
think
in
the
last
meeting
by
one
of
the
residents-
and
this
is
in
the
penman
road
area
and
the
fact
that
the
city
of
jacksonville
was
going
to
put
in
a
pedestrian
crossing
at
8th
avenue
north,
because
that
route
goes
all
the
way
to
the
beach
and
there's
several
there's.
You
know
a
lot
of
housing
on
the
west
side
of
that
in
the
new
map.
Is
there?
B
Think
so
I
remember
picking
that
up
from
from
peters
and
yaffi,
although
they're
still
in
their
preliminary
design
work
and
such
so
penman
at
8th,
avenue,
north
I'll,
make
be
sure
to
call
that
out.
When
we
get
to
the
to
finishing
up
the
master
plan
and
make
sure
that
that's
included.
A
Yeah,
like
kind
of
like
what
georgette
said,
I
think
that's
that's
a
route
that
some
of
those
residents
on
the
west
side
of
pinman
use.
B
A
To
head
towards
the
beach
so-
and
you
know
it's
just
another
good,
east-west
connector
right
there
in
that
area,.
B
If
not,
we've
got
some
notes
that
we'll
be
sure
to
address,
as
we
get
back
into
this
we'll
put
this
out
on
the
website.
I'll
rely
on
on
cantris
to
help
out
with
that
and
we'll
get
it
out
there
for
for
public
viewing.
B
B
A
No,
this,
no,
I
don't
have
anything
additional.
We
don't
have
any
questions
or
comments
in
the
chat.
We
will
take
this
recording
and
post
it
on
the
website
or
have
it
posted
on
the
website,
along
with
the
presentation.