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A
B
A
Thank
you,
I'm,
going
to
begin
with
just
a
little
bit
about
how
the
beads
work,
the
Planning
Commission
meetings
are
causing
judicial
in
nature.
All
decisions
of
petition
will
be
used
on
will
be
based
on
competent
and
substantial
evidence,
including
testimony
provided
in
this
meeting.
Any
person
who's,
not
an
applicant
or
agent
that
wishes
to
speak,
will
need
to
fill
out
a
speaker's
card
located
at
the
side
table
by
the
door
and
turn
them
into
the
clerk.
Each
member
of
the
public
will
be
given
three
minutes
to
speak.
A
C
E
A
E
A
F
To
you,
the
staff
report
for
PC
2322
and
then
following
the
applicant's
presentation,
Mr,
capoli
and
I
will
be
available
for
any
questions
you
have
so
pc2322
is
a
rezoning
application
for
property.
That's
located
at
201
5th,
Avenue
North,
which
is
the
former
location
of
what
was
called
Bose
coral
reef
bar.
It
was
in
operation
for
55
years,
enclosed
in
January
of
2019..
It
is
a
non-conforming
use
that
cannot
be
re-established
after
it's
considered
abandoned
for
more
than
six
months
under
the
definitions
of
the
Land
Development
code.
F
F
That
would
try
to
fix
some
of
these
issues
that
they've
got
with
the
property.
The
new
owner
wants
to
open
a
new
drinking
establishment
at
the
location,
but
also
include
a
small
component
of
retail
and
office
tenant
spaces
to
the
property
which
would
categorize
it
as
a
mixed-use
building
or
a
shopping
center.
The
building
would
remain
on
site
with
limited
outside
changes.
The
changes
primarily
happening
interior
and
again.
C
F
Are
requesting
to
rezone
this
to
our
Redevelopment,
District
or
RV?
So
just
some
details
on
the
project
and
then
I'll
provide
a
map,
a
location
map
and
a
site
plan.
Again
they
do
plan
to
retain
the
building
on
site.
There
would
be
a
webs
being
proposed,
approximately
6,
700
square
square
feet
of
drinking
establishment
to
include
both
the
inside
and
the
outdoor
deck
area.
F
A
combination
of
on-site
parking
off-site
parking
agreements
with
adjacent
properties
should
they
be
able
to
find
that
as
an
option
and
payment
in
lieu
of
or
some
combination
of
the
three.
So
this
is
the
property
location.
Again,
it's
the
northwest
corner
of
North,
2nd
Street
and
5th
Avenue
North,
we've,
probably
driven
by
it
yeah,
and
the
proposed
site
plan
for
the
project
is
proposing
around
5200
square
feet
of
indoor
bar
with
a
1500
square
foot
outdoor
bar
area,
which
is
an
existing
deck.
F
That's
in
the
rear,
200
square
feet
of
office,
space,
250
square
feet,
the
office
back
here,
250
square
feet
of
retail
and
there
are
seven
existing
on-site
parking
spaces.
However,
they
are
gravel
and
the
applicant
is
proposing
to
pave
the
one
spot
at
the
South
End
to
comply
with
ADA
requirements.
Their
total
parking
requirement
is
14
spaces,
so
they
will
have
to
find
if
you
will,
those
seven
spaces
elsewhere
through.
F
G
Does
that
deck
exist
today?
Yes,
yes,
could
you
go
back
to
the
prior
picture
then,
before
this.
F
Thanks,
yes,
sir,
it
is
there
so.
Staff
analysis
is
that
it
would
serve
to
eliminate
what
we
consider
a
blighted
property
in
the
commercial
downtown
core,
provide
a
mix
of
commercial
uses
and
provide
for
the
reactivation
of
a
site
that
has
been
vacant
for
over
three
years.
About
three
and
a
half
again.
F
It
was
previously
a
drinking
establishment
for
55
years
until
it
closed
in
2019.,
and
we
don't
consider
the
uses
to
be
inconsistent
with
the
previous
use
surrounding
Properties
or
any
adjacent
uses,
and
we
don't
find
it
to
be
in
conflict
with
any
relevant
portions
of
the
comprehensive
plan
or
the
Land
Development
code.
I'm
gonna
skip
ahead
real,
quick
and
then
come
back
to
this.
F
The
community
redevelopment
agency
reviewed
the
application
at
their
regular
meeting
today
at
three
o'clock,
and
they
did
agree
with
staff's
analysis
that
the
project
is
consistent
with
the
downtown
Redevelopment
plan
and
they
did
recommend
approval
of
the
rezoning
request
with
all
of
the
suggested
staff
conditions.
I
would
Circle
back
to,
except
for
number
six
and
I'm
going
to
cover
all
of
those
individually
and
with
the
addition
that
the
recommended
the.
C
C
F
Want
to
cover
with
you
just
some
again
suggested
recommendations,
conditions
that
that
staff
thought
you
might
want
to
consider
for
this
project.
Should
the
Planning
Commission
move
to
approve
this
application,
so
the
first
one
is
because
there's
been
a
lot
of
discussion
about
drinking
establishments
in
the
downtown
and
just
to
maintain
consistency
with
the
rest
of
the
city
and
the
commercial
zoning
districts
to
make
a
drinking
establishment
on
this
property
a
conditional
use
as
opposed
to
a
permitted
use.
So
that
way,
it's
consistent
with
all
the
other
commercial
properties.
F
The
second
one
again
just
a
suggestion
that
the
minimum
square
footage
for
the
office
and
Retail
tenant
spaces
are
slightly
larger
than
what's
being
proposed.
A
minimum
of
500
square
feet
number
three
parking.
The
third
suggestion
parking
shall
be
provided
prior
to
any
certificates
of
use
being
issued
for
any
of
the
uses
on
the
property.
F
Number
four
suggestion
is
no
internal
access
between
uses
and
no
shared
bathroom
facilities,
which
I
did
confirm.
The
second
half
of
that
is
a
requirement
of
the
Florida
building
code
that
they
have
to
have
separate
bathroom
facilities
and
I
confirm
that
again,
with
the
building
official
today
number
five
that
they
would
provide
one
paid
Ada
parking
space
in
compliance
to
the
Land
Development
code,
as
they've
shown
on
their
site
plan
and
number
six
final
suggested.
F
Conditioner
recommendation
from
staff
is
the
consideration
of
removal
of
all,
or
maybe
a
portion
of
the
outdoor
bar
area
in
the
rear
to
be
replaced
with
additional
on-site
parking
to
support
the
proper
the
project.
So
those
are
again
staff
recommendations
for
you
to
consider
Madam,
chair
I
can
either
take
questions
now
or
we
can
do
it
after.
The
applicant
has
an
opportunity
to
add
any
additional
information
out
to.
E
A
B
H
C
H
E
H
Canceled
I
don't
know
what
it
was
so
on
the
on
the
front.
It
shows
another
project
that
we
did
and
that
was
a
1929
Standard
Oil
Station
that
we
we
motivated
and
transitioned
into
kind
of
other
pictures
attached
to
the
that
document.
Yeah.
That
was
a
fun
project.
H
H
It
says
kind
of
a
such
a
long
story.
It's
been
such
a
long
journey
since,
since
all
this
took
place.
H
So
I
was
supposed
to
supposed
to
open
in
March
2020,
and
we
had
wanted
to
do.
It
was
close
open
prior
to
that
and
had
some
of
queer
building
plans
to
do
a
cosmetic
interior
innovation,
a
couple,
successful
inspections
and
during
that
time,
public
works
right
right
there
after
stopped
and
requested
that
we
build
a
dumpster
crowd.
So
we
it
to
really
delete
our
projects
since
we'd
already
gone
through.
H
The
plans
set
us
back
about
seven
months,
which
kind
of
put
our
Target
date
for
March
2020,
with
kind
of
must
have
won
the
lottery
on
that
one.
So,
of
course,
the
pandemic
hit
in
March
2020
and
shut
down
my
other
businesses
and
play
off
a
hundred
people
that
I
had
working
for
me
for
years
kind
of
get
them
set
up
and
prepared
the
best
that
I
could,
under
the
circumstances,.
H
And
it's
through
all
that,
organizing,
of
course
all
of
the
places
were
shut
down.
So
this
this
location
sat,
and
so
we
kind
of
addressed
everything
that
was
going
on
and
could
loop
back
around
again
shortly
after
that
about
three
months
or
so
in
the
pandemic.
I
ended
up
becoming
build,
not
through
code
I
mentioned
in
the
email
made.
The
letter
was
attached
to
that.
H
That
attitude
it
was
you
know.
All
of
this
is
the
whole
thing
was
quite
the
journey.
Definitely
you're
blessed
and
thankful
to
be
here.
We'll
see
you
today
so
with
with
those
delays
as
soon
as
I
hit
and
be
able
to
fully
get
my
feedback
on
the
ground
and
other
than
out
of
the
hospital
they
made
calls
and
checked
in
with
Duval
for
meetings
and
stuff.
H
We
were
adding
notes
in,
and
everyone
said
through
the
covet,
the
copen
Mandate
permit
extension
that
the
pyramids
were
automatically
extended
and
just
I
didn't
check
with
Jacksonville
Beach
until
so
further
down
the
road.
At
that
point,
when
I
had
reached
out
to
Jacksonville
Beach
about
it,
we
were
just
a
few
days
past
the
covid
deadline.
Extension
to
turn
in
you
know
the
piece
of
paper
requests
in
a
permanent
assumption
and
then
so
I
mean
it
immediately
went
down
very
shortly
after
it
spoke
with
Heather
and
Christian.
H
He's
an
amazing,
very
helpful
in
guiding
me
through
the
process
and
kind
of
a
long
process
through
buying
the
property.
We've
also
acquired
a
liquor
license
that
was
attached
to
the
property,
so
I
had
to
work
through
getting
extensions
in
escrow
and
through
the
attorney
that
was
helping
me
navigate
that
set,
and
then
we
navigated
the
rezoning
process
which,
which
is
where
the
application
okay
from
at
this
point
kind
of
you
know
this
project
is
it's
important
to
me.
I
didn't
want
to
get
to
give
up,
especially
everything.
H
That's
happened,
I
just
needed
to
keep
pushing
forward
forward,
motion
they're,
hoping
that
take
it
all.
Take
it
all
the
way,
through
and
kind
of
some
of
the
things
that
relation
to
the
project.
Specifically,
is
you
know,
of
course,
the
outside?
We
would
like
to
beautify
that
structure
and
passion
for
architecture,
and
you
know
making
a
nice
place
inside
and
out
and
with
this
one,
because
we
have
one
of
the
10
for
cop
liquor
license
and
Heather
and
I
spoke
about
it
quite
a
bit
about
that.
H
E
That
was
quite
a
story.
Did
you
keep
a
log,
a
business
accountable,
I'm
sure
you
did
some
kind
of
a
log
about
all
the
girdles
you
had
to
jump
through
and
what
you
had
to
do
and
the
points
of
contact
order,
because
that's
quite
that's
a
that's
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
acting.
You
just
talked
about
just
spending
a.
H
Journey
yeah,
we
ended
up
through
it.
We
had
to
take
out
to
disaster
relief
loans
because
I
have
a
mortgage
to
to
pass
through
paying
that
through,
and
that
was
what
spokes
the
RCA
board
about
the
deck
and
it
kind
of
you
know
you're
at
the
beach
in
your
your.
If
you're
eating,
you're
drinking
you
like
to
be
outside
in
the
sunshine
a
little
bit.
H
H
You
know-
and
we
looked
at
it
from
a
parking
standpoint
and
when
we
built
the
dumpster
Corral,
when
we
first
initiated
a
project
where
it's
situated
on
the
lot,
it's
kind
of
a
specific
location
where
there's
not
a
very
logical
place
elsewhere,
to
put
it,
but
now
with
where
it
is
kind
of
having
that
egress
in
and
out
for
parking
and
getting
around
it's
right
in
the
way
it
would
have
to
be
demolished
and
moved
and
I'm,
not
sure
where
we
would
move
it.
H
H
H
The
the
building
since
we
were
supposed
to
open
back
in
March
20
2020,
is
pretty
much
complete.
You
know
we
were
ready
to
go
at
that
time
frame
and
it
there's
walls
and
things
that
make
it
pretty
difficult
to
accommodate
them
square
foot
amount.
So
if
it's
possible,
my
thought
was
to
make
sure
we
meet
little
square
footage
that
was
necessary
or
that
the
building
the
building
department
needed.
We
could
possibly
work
with
the
building
department
to
shift
in
different
ways.
H
H
H
The
other
request
and
the
option
on
the
bathroom
side,
shared
bathrooms
would
be
a
big
help
with
the
space
itself
to
try
to
put
a
I
guess
the
side
plans
on
it
up
there,
but
to
put
bathrooms
to
move
all
the
way
to
each
use
would
be
difficult
to
run
the
plumbing.
But
again
you
know
everything's
possible.
It
just
is
more
expense
to
the
project,
which
has
been
extremely
costly.
Up
to
this
point,.
E
So
is
there
a
reason
you
have
to
have
retail
and
office
space
because
you
can
mine
to
the
digital
for
the
I
get
it
aside.
The
parking
I
mean
as
far
as
what
you
were
talking
about
when
it
comes
to
how
what's
already
been
done
inside
and
pretty
ease
of
having
to
do
plumbing
and
things.
Would
you
consider
potentially
just
doing
one
like
retail
space.
H
E
So,
just
to
be
clear,
the
the
force
impact
of
this
is
Parking
Department.
That's
it.
Okay,
yeah
I
think
the
first
issue
is
parking
and
that's
why
we're
looking
at
500
square
feet
right
in
the
office
and
then
that
leads
to
touring
and
then
there's
still
another
question
about
neighbors
and
deck.
So
what
I
was
trying
to
get
to
was,
if
you
go
down
to
just
one
space,
larger
500,
like
retail,
obviously
you're
going
to
take
it
on
parking
but
potentially
solve
some
of
the
issue
with
plumbing
and
things
like
that.
C
F
So
the
code
requires
or
defines
I'm
sorry.
A
shopping
center
has
three
or
more
uses.
So
that's
how
a
any
Commercial
Business
gets
that
advantage
of
having
a
lower
parking
requirement,
because
if
it
were
just
a
bar,
the
requirement
is
one
per
100
square
feet,
so
that
would
be
70
spaces
almost,
but
as
a
shopping
center,
three
or
more
different,
separate
uses.
The
parking
requirement
downtown
is
one
to
five
hundred.
It's
a
lot
lower.
Okay,.
F
E
Yeah,
sir,
what
are
we
doing
with?
What's
your
plan
for
the
deck
Outback
in
the
sense
of
using
you
plan
to
build
it
as
depicted
I,
believe
it
where
it
is?
H
Oh
yeah,
yeah
I
can
try
to
run
a
pretty
tight
I
bet
you
did,
but
you're
trying
to
throw
a
beer
camp
or
anything,
but
the
you
know
how
it's
sort
of
located
in
it
where
it
is
now.
H
There's
that
strip
center
on
two
three
sides
actually
in
front
of
it
in
the
back
and
the
side
and
our
building
is,
on
the
the
left
hand
side.
So
luckily,
it's
pretty
neat
away
from
you
know.
Any
residential
is
kind
of
Consolidated
in
an
area
that
you
know
I'd
be
surprised
if
Heather
today,
if
you're
producing
this,
might
not
work
in
a
favor,
we
did
it.
Today
we
receive
noise.
C
H
And
I
think
they
were
the
last
Governor
was
the
last
owner
was
operating
out
of
that
location
for
about
50
years.
So
I
think
that
that
feel
like
it.
It
would
be
pretty
pretty
simple
to
make
sure
that
the
noise
and
any
disturbance
instructions
consolidated.
A
H
It's
there's
a
place
where
you
just
go
outside,
but
I
think
that
I'd
have
to
look
at
it
again.
If
there
was
like
a
little
would
look
like
something
about
as
long
as
that,
where
at
one
point
I
think
the
old
folks
that
were
there
they
served
out
of
it
did,
but
from
like
a
permanent
standpoint
of
Plumbing
and
Electric
and
coolers.
No,
no.
A
Thank
you,
sir,
so
if
you
may
resign
at
this
point,
you
can
get
the
questions
or
questions.
C
Question
on
number
six
requiring
the
removal
to
tell
us
why
what
lives
are
they?
Do
they
not
have
enough
parking,
sure,
yeah.
F
Well
again,
just
it's
just
a
recommendation
for
you
guys
to
consider
and
our
thought
was:
there
is
residential
directly
to
the
South,
so
our
concerns
were
kind
of
due
for
one
potential
noise.
Complaints
from
the
outdoor
since
there's
residential
right
there
and
the
other
one
being
opening
up
may
be
an
opportunity
for
additional
parking.
They.
F
F
It
adds
we're
going
down
to
three
additional
parking
spaces.
Yeah.
C
C
F
F
The
other
seven
like
I
said
before
would
either
have
to
be
found
off
site
and
meet
the
code
requirements.
So
it's
within
300
feet
and
the
uses
have
to
have
different
times
so
an
office
that
closes
at
five
or
a
bank
or
something
like
that.
Where
the
use
the
parking
could
be
shared.
We
have
a
parking
agreement
on
Penniman,
Road
sonatis
and
the
dance
studio
there.
E
F
So
they
have
an
agreement
that
was
approved
by
a
previous
director
to
do
that.
So
that's
an
option,
and
maybe
that
doesn't
give
them
all
seven.
Maybe
the
third
option
is
to
buy
their
way
out
of
some
spaces.
So
again,
what
they're
proposing
in
the
RDA
rezoning
is
some
combination
of
on-site
shared
and
perhaps
by
their
way
office
of
spaces.
It
may
be.
G
F
That's
one
of
the
things
they're
proposing.
Yes,
since
this
location
is
closer
to
500
feet
from
an
existing
drinking
establishment
which
would
be
mangoes
it's
just
under
500
feet.
That's
something!
That's
been
written
into
the
rezoning
application,
the
kind
of
weighed
themselves
out
of
that
requirement
so
against
just
under
the
500
feet,.
F
A
Okay,
thank
you.
C
B
I
It's
a
non-conforming
use
I
want
to
just
read
a
little
bit
about
non-conformities
within
the
provisions
established
by
the
LDC.
There
exists,
uses
of
land
structures
and
lots
that
were
lawfully
established
before
the
LCD
LDC
was
adopted
or
amended
that
are
do
not
now
inform
of
the
terms
and
requirements
of
the
LDC.
I
A
In
that
approach,
actually,
please.
I
I
According
to
this
document,
numerous
Studies
have
found
significant
relationship
between
alcohol,
Outlet
density
and
alcohol
consumption
and
alcohol-related
Harms.
Examples
of
such
findings
are
in
Los
Angeles.
County
research
is
estimated
that
every
additional
alcohol
Outlet
was
associated
with
3.4
additional
violent
incidents
per
year
in
Cleveland
researchers
estimated
that
every
additional
bar
added
to
a
city
block
resulted
in
three
to
four
more
crimes
speak
fitted
on
that
block.
C
A
I
I
A
B
B
D
D
Wonder
525
Margaret
Street,
Neptune,
Beach
Florida.
D
I
appreciate
the
board's
time,
I'm
kind
of
a
rambler,
so
I'm
going
to
try
to
stay
focused
here
a
little
bit
about
me.
I
I
was
in
those
Inventory
management
and
Consulting
for
restaurants
and
and
Hospitality
establishment.
Something
going
on
here
since
2010
I
was
Jam
of
a
restaurant
after
college
and
got
a
master's
in
accounting.
Short
story.
Long
ended
up
franchising.
This
company
here
in
2010
over
the
last
12
years,
I've
worked
with
probably
160
different
for
our
Restaurant
Hospitality
business
owners.
D
Different
management
groups,
single
Proprietors
corporate
entities
everywhere
in
between
Scott,
has
been
a
client
and
a
friend
of
mine
for
over
a
decade.
Now
we
started
with
him
with
his
first
kind
of
venture
and
have
kind
of
grown
together
and,
like
I
said,
he's
more
of
a
friend
now
than
a
business
associate.
Some.
D
That
that
bridge
himself,
you
know,
he's
like
I,
said:
I've
dealt
with
a
lot
of
owners
when
they
call
me
we're
managing
their
inventory,
we're
telling
what
the
cost
of
its
sold
are,
making
sure
they're
profitable
to
ensure
long.
You
know
long-term
job
security
for
their
employees
when
they
call
me
normally
99
of
them
it's.
This
is
what
I
need
I
need
now
I
needed
yesterday.
When
can
I
get
it?
You
know
with
Scott
he's
a
different
breed
he's
creative
he's
Innovative,
the
very.
D
To
me
is:
how
are
you
doing?
How
are
you
doing
what's
going
on
in
your
life?
Do
you
have
some
questions
about
myself
and
he
did
that
from
day
one
that
mentality
and
excuse
me
this
I'm?
Not
this,
isn't
my
forte
I
get
a
little
bit
passionate
so
that
mentality
filters
down
through
his
entire
organization
through
his
neighboring
business
businesses
up
in
you
know,
kind
of
grown
with
him,
like
I,
said
for
the
last
10
or
12
years.
He's
creative
he's
he's
Innovative.
D
D
This
passion-
this
has
been
a
passion
of
this
from
five
six
seven
years
I
mean
he
was
talking
to
me
about
this
coming
into
the
beach
and
in
that
specific
building
and
establishment
and
location
for
more
than
five
years
for
sure
and
every
time
you
know,
I'll
ask
him
how
it's
going.
There
would
be
a
hiccup
where
there
would
be.
You
know
more
more
code,
stuff
and
I.
F
D
All
that
and
I'm,
not
here
but
I've,
been
I've
been
a
native
to
Jacksonville
for
30
years.
I've
seen
this
place
coming
and
grow
a
lot
I've
seen
a
lot
of
bad
places.
Pop
up
I
deal
with
a
lot
of
clients
that
have
negative
morality
than
their
staff.
They
they
don't
care
about
accountability
or
or
do
what
what
they
need
to
do
to
encourage
a
positive
working
environment
for
their
team
for
their
clients
for
their
customers.
They're
not
willing
to
you
know
to
listen
to
The
Neighbor
Next
Door
about
the
issues
that
may
arise.
D
D
He's
he's
been
excited
about
this
project
for
years
and
obviously
everybody's
read
the
email
he's
had
you
know
a
long
road,
an
unexpected
one
and
one
that
I'm
thankful
that
he
got
through
and
and
as
a
Jax
Beach
resident
you
have
to
reached
resident
for
30
years.
I
can
guarantee
you
that
this
will
be.
This
will
not
add
homicide.
This
will
not
add.
D
If
anything,
he
will
clean
up
that
area,
with
positive
Synergy
between
businesses,
between
employees,
between
customers
and
creating
an
environment
where
people
want
to
go
and
feel
safe
rather
than
I.
Don't
drive
down
here
anymore,
at
between
10
and
two.
You
know
down
this
First
Street,
all
these
all
the
strip
of
ours
that
I've
I've
got
to
see.
You
want
me
to
wind
it
up.
Yeah
anyway,
I
appreciate
your
time
and
and
I
can
ramble
all
day
about
this
and
and
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
B
J
The
reason
that
I'm
here
I'm,
currently
I'm
positive
towards
Redevelopment
positive
towards
Thanksgiving,
taken
care
of
another
bar
is
another
bar
of
Jack
speech.
There's
a
lot
of
them.
My
concern
is
the
traffic
flow.
You
know
the
rezoning
if
it
was
a
full
bar.
We
need
60
spaces.
If
it's
what
it
is
now,
we
need
14
spaces
being
at
peer
point
when
there's
festivals,
going
on
things
like
that,
it's
just
a
nightmare.
J
Everyone
coming
in
and
out
of
the
parking
lot
I
guess
we'll
need
to
at
least
that
better
until
cars,
but
a
lot
of
the
current
traffic
enters
out
of
fourth
and
fishery
Fort,
because
you
turn
left
it
because
you
can
turn
left
beats
a
little
water
because
you
turn
left
the
other
Streets
between
here
and
there
they
have
a
meeting
in
there.
So
you
can
there's
many
times
and
I've
mentioned
this
to
police
I
found
the
police
department
mentioned
it
to
several
different
policemen.
J
The
noise
there's
outrageous
guys
my
age
or
older
I,
don't
know
why
do
they
have
to
get
on
their
motorcycle
without
a
motorcycle
rev
it
to
the
max
at
12,
30
1
o'clock
at
night,
tear
off
down
Third
Street
they're,
going
40
50
60
miles
an
hour.
Cars
are
taken
off,
spinning,
tires
and
all
of
a
sudden
a
nightly
thing.
So
my
only
concern
is
if
we
do
open
up
this
new
clip
or
new
place,
it's
been
500
feet
and
I
apologize
at
home.
J
Obviously
the
500
feet
isn't
a
94
thing,
because
it's
been
around
I'm
just
concerned
that
the
noise
level
based
on
the
traffic
I
mean
you
go
to
Atlantic
Beach,
there's,
not
cars,
there's
not
bikes,
going
crazy
down
in
Daytona
I.
Was
there
a
week
and
a
half
ago
for
biketoberfest
when
the
guys
are
riding
their
bikes,
like
idiots
at
least
some
pull
them
over
here
in
Jax
Beach.
We
can
do
anything
as
far
as
sound
noise
cars
and
it's
you
know,
that's
my
concern
I'd
like
to.
J
If
we're
going
to
do
this,
there
needs
to
be
more
police
spin
around
that
area,
maybe
sitting
there
in
the
Pier
Park
parking
lot
or
the
Graffiti
Burger
parking
lot
and
taking
care
of
I've
seen
people
I've
been
outstanding.
The
corner
of
second
and
fourth
and
motorcycles
came
by
revving.
Their
engines
took
off,
like
Grace
I,
said
some
of
the
police
and
they
just
told
me
to
buy
my
own
business.
J
So
again,
it's
not
a
priority
here
in
Jax,
Beach
and
other
counties
and
other
cities
as
far
as
the
land
Beach,
where
they
have
a
lot
of
traffic
they're
taking
care
of
the
situation,
and
if
we
do
some
more
development
I,
just
like
the
situation
to
be
taken
care
of
as
far
as
employees
and
things
like
that,
the
people
are
going
to
find
places
to
park
coming
in.
J
B
K
I
started
a
small
business
Crystal
playing
with
my
brother
on
Second
Avenue
North
about
20
years
ago,
and
we
were
pressure
washing
cleaning
company,
so
I
kind
of
got
my
roots
in
the
company
here
in
check
speed.
One
thing
I
don't
understand
about
this
particular
issue
is
Scott.
Is
he
he
bought
this
at
the
bar
and
the
place
has
always
been.
K
You
know
his
drinking
establishment
and
he
received
a
permit
from
the
city
of
jets
Beach
for
that
activity
and
because
of
delays
and
construction
and
delays
and
coveted
it
didn't
get
done
and
exactly
the
right
time,
but
that
was
pretty
extenuating
circumstance.
K
One
thing
I
would
like
to
speak
about
that
Scott
never
talks
about,
but
he
said
very
severe
health
issues.
He
did
briefly
alleged
that
in
his
talk
about
about
Mayo,
but
for
a
period
of
time,
long
periods
of
time
months
at
the
time
he
said,
Lyme's
disease
he's
had
mercury
poisoning.
He
said
Crohn's
disease,
a
severe
back
pain
and
so
Scott
would
often
sleep
20
21
22
hours
a
day,
while
he's
trying
to
run
businesses
that
employ
a
hundred
people
and
run
them
in
a
meaningful
way.
K
It's
pretty
remarkable
what
this
guy
has
done
with
two
to
three
to
four
hours
of
waiting
time
in
the
day
and
the
fact
that,
during
this
deadline,
when
it
passed
Scouts
in
one
of
those
Gary's
years
that
may
have
they
finally
took
care
of
the
issue.
But
it
was.
It
was
two
months
of
that
and
that
led
significantly
to
delays
in
time
and
him
being
able
to
be
functional
and
get
out
and
get
paperwork
done
and
manage
the
people
that
were
underneath
it.
K
And
he
already
spoke
to
the
thing
that
the
coveted
shutdown
but
having
to
lay
off
and
then
re-employed.
100
people
was
extreme
time
consuming,
and
so
some
of
these
technicalities
that
perhaps
he
missed
you,
know
a
deadline
by
two
or
three
days.
I'm,
not
sure
why
we
would
keep
operation
then
from
doing
an
operation.
So
I'd
like
it'd,
be
nice.
K
If
you
guys
to
just
consider
that,
while
you
are
thinking
about
this
issue,
that
both
the
health
issues
and
the
covet
shutdown
that
were
kind
of
unprecedented
things
that
he
had
to
deal
with
and
speaking
to
how
he
runs
business
I,
don't
know
if
you've
been
to
this
other
places
but
30
seconds.
If
you've
done
to
The
Loft
the
garage,
the
road,
they
are
Community
establishments,
he
provides.
K
It's
always
been
his
heart,
I've
known
for
20
years
since
the
matrix,
it's
always
been
his
heart
beating
Minnesota
establishments
to
provide
safe,
comfortable,
happy
places
to
build
community
in
East,
downtown
Riverside
in
a
really
good
job
and
I.
Think
we'll
continue
to
do
it
here
in
Japanese
as
well.
So
that's.
A
That
you
conditions
back
up.
F
Sure
and
Madam
chair,
if
I
may,
if
you
guys,
are
going
to
consider
any
of
these
conditions,
I
would
suggest
kind
of
handle
them
one
at
a
time
and
kind
of
roll
them
into
the
final.
A
Well,
can
I
ask
just
the
question
about
the
extension
of
time
as
a
kind
of
practical
matter
or
the
city
of
Jacksonville
was
extending
permit
timing,
but
city
of
Jacksonville
Beach
was
not
I
just
wanted
verification
that
that
was
correct.
F
I
can
assure
you
guys
that
my
staff
and
myself
we
looked
for
every
possible
Avenue
to
try
to
you,
know
make
this
work
for
him,
but
you
know
there
were
expirations
on
permits
that
did
get
extended
through
covid,
but
at
some
point
that
ended,
and
he
just
found
himself
in
one
of
those
windows
where
the
permit
expired.
The
extension
is
all
expired
and
there
was
really
no
Avenue
for
us
to
explore
to
allow
those
to
continue
off.
F
F
Yes,
it
is
technically
a
non-conforming
use,
but
drinking
establishments
are
allowed
as
a
permitted
or
excuse
me
a
conditional
use
in
the
central
business
district.
This
one
just
predates
the.
E
E
C
C
C
A
little
confused
as
especially
the
last
one,
the
number
six
sorry
number
six.
The
points
that
you
just
had
up
sure.
F
F
Additional
parking
and
getting
rid
of
that
also
the
lowers
the
parking
requirement.
I
see
the
applicant
would
like
to
maintain
that
outdoor
deck.
Yes,
sir,
you
answered.
A
F
F
C
Way
to
the
public
hearing
is
actually
closed
right
now.
The
so
typically
definitely
show
us
the
other
parking
spots,
though
typically
like
on
the
plan
like
like
you
said
like
we
don't
know
where
these
parking
spots
are.
Are
we
to
approve
it,
and
then
he
figures
out
where
those
parking
spots
are
later.
They.
F
Basically,
yes,
so
these
again,
these
are
the
seven
spots
that
are,
these
are
actually
on
the
property,
the
seven
that
he's
short
yeah.
C
F
Some
blocks
that
might
be
15
000
on
the
ocean
is
probably
close
to
40
now
for
a
parking
space.
So
we
have
to
do
an
analysis
to
see
if
you
were
to
take
advantage
of
that
how
much
per
space
it
would
be.
A
Okay,
well,
if
I
can
suggest,
if
you
could
go
back
to
the
proposed
conditions,
do
we
do
we
had
a
Commissioners
feel
about
them?
Can
we
any
concerns
about
number
one.
C
A
A
A
F
A
Questions
on
that
number
four.
F
E
F
With
the
building
official
today,
yeah
I
I,
because
I
we
hadn't
talked
about
it
previously,
but
I
wanted
to
make
certain
and
again
I
I,
think
Mr
McAllister
mentioned
maybe
having
some
flexibility
with
the
other
retail
or
tenant
spaces.
They're
proposing
an
office
at
a
retail
space.
You
know
to
do
that
with
200
square
feet
will
be,
would
be
difficult,
but
I'm
possible,
but
you
know,
but.
F
Of
egress
ADA
Bathroom,
all
the
access
you
have
to
have
would
be
a
challenging
I
know
he.
He
kind
of
threw
out
the
idea
of
having
some
flexibility
between
the
two
spaces,
maybe
once
300,
maybe
one
700.
So
that's
certainly
something
I
think
staff
could
get
behind
just.
C
F
A
Will
it
do
any
Commissioners
have
any
any
thoughts
about
condition
number
two
and
whether
it
should
be
specifically
so.
A
E
Thousand
a
generalist
concern
is
that
it's
other
uses
are
being
considered
specifically
for
marketing,
and
what
I
heard
is
that
it's
it's
financially
prohibitive
to
not
do
it
right
so
200
to
250
square
feet
doesn't
seem
like
there's
going
to
be
a
lot
of.
That's
that's
not
Shopping
Center
in
my
mind,
okay,
but
again
what
we
call
definitions
and
everything,
but
if
they
seem
pretty
small
for
it
to
be
the
actual,
an
excuse.
F
E
E
You
know
I
guess
it
depends.
Somebody
use
foreign
okay.
Well,
since
we're
beating
this
to
death.
I
want
to
ask
this
question:
where
is
there
where's
the
and
this
isn't
for
the
proponent?
This
is
for
Heather.
Where
did
you
you
feel
the
the
commercial
reality
was
for
the
proponent
to
divide
the
space?
Was
it
a
very
large
as
large
as
you
could
get
retail
as
small
as
you
could
get
in
office.
F
F
C
F
G
Thank
you,
you
can
do
it.
You
could
do
some
comment
if,
if
folks
are
in
favor
of
that
conditional
use,
you
could
do
a
combination
of
both
to
and
have
it
be.
G
A
minimum
of
a
thousand
combined
with
a
minimum
of
300
per
I
would
recommend
doing
that.
So
there's
not
a
closet
in
there
and
950
since
Heather
said
herself,
there
wasn't
necessarily
a
minimum
I
would
I
would
State
some
minimum
of
300
per
use
with
a
minimum
of
a
thousand
of
the
two
combined
whatever
that
lower
number
is.
G
E
A
Okay,
I
think
we
discussed
item
before
so
item
five,
the
Ada
accessible
parking
space,
great
and
item
six
I.
F
F
K
C
K
J
E
A
Well,
we
have
the
example
of
our
sister
body.
Can
we
talked
about
each
of
the
conditions.
E
Through
the
chair
do
the
procedurally,
as
it
would
be
helpful
council,
did
something
similar
with
another
recent
proposal
and
they
basically
made
an
overlying
motion
group
or
not.
This
in
this
case
was
approved,
and
then
they
have
ended
that
motion
with
votes
on
each
and
conditions.
It
was
very
clear:
yes,
we
want
this
window,
we
don't
want
that
one.
It
seemed
to
work
pretty
well
and
it
was
very
obvious
what
conditions
ended.
A
Positioned
by
condition,
okay,
so
overall
we
need
a
motion
to
approve
or
come
to
and
to
then
be
followed
by
more
specific
motions
related
to
each
other
conditions.
Basically,.
A
So
so
what
we
had
before
us
is
the
staff
recommendation
for
these
conditions.
We
talked
about
the
potential
for
some
changes
or
not
to
the
conditions.
A
E
Approve
the
conditional
use
to
to
change
the
ownership
and
the
drinking
establishment.
The
second
would
be
to
keep
a
minimum
square
footage
of
a
thousand
feet
for
the
office
and
Retail
component
combined.
E
No
internal
access
between
the
uses
and
I
understood
that
to
be
a
state
requirement
and
it
was
a
building
department
requirement.
So
that's
absolutely
a
keeper
one
paid
Ada
is
a
keeper
and
consider
requiring
the
removal
of
the
entire
outdoor
bar
deck
to
be
replaced
with
additional
on-site
parking.
I,
don't
know
what
that
means
as
far
as
emotion,
because
yeah
I
consider
it
when
I
can
do
it.
So
I
can't
answer
that
if
somebody
could
help
me
doesn't
have
a
complete
emotion,
I
think
what
it
sounds
like
is.
E
The
motion
is
to
improve,
with
these
staff
proposed
conditions
of
approval
modifying
number
two
to
read
that
there
should
be
a
minimum
of
a
thousand
feet
next,
to
use
to
be
the
Divine
that
up
to
be
determined
that
building
I,
guess
or
firmware
right.
You
have
to
have
both
office
and
retails
and
the
correct
use
and
then
drop
in
number
six.
So
the
staff
motion
to
approved
with
the
staff
those
conditions
for
approval
amending
number
two
to
read
a
minimum
of
a
thousand
square
feet
combined
and
not
number
six.
A
C
B
E
C
C
You
guys
ready
for
the
last
one
I
decided
and
so
real
quick
I.
C
F
Be
brief
and
for
the
last
application
it
will
go
to
Council
on
November,
21st
and
December
5th,
with
your
Recreation.
F
Okay,
last
one
PC
2422
is
a
Land
Development
code
text.
Amendment
oh
Council,
received
some
concern
from
residents
that
their
their
residential
property
backs
up
to
commercial.
They
were
interested
in
getting
an
eight
foot
tall,
solid
fence,
which
the
code
does
not
allow.
We
had
a
briefing
on
it
with
Council
to
kind
of
discuss
some
ins
and
out
of
Defense
code
and
what
other
cities
require.
F
Staff
did
recommend
that
counts
of
weights
until
we
update
the
whole
Land
Development
code,
instead
of
just
making
this
one
change,
because
we
haven't
even
dove
into
that
section
of
the
code
yet
to
see
what
other
issues
or
changes
we
want
to
make,
but
they
didn't
want
us
to
go
ahead
and
move
forward.
So
what
this
proposed
changes?
It's
really
fairly
simple.
F
It
would
change
the
Land
Development
code,
section
406
to
allow
a
side
and
rear
yard
fences
on
single
family
property
that
are
immediately
adjacent
to
a
commercial
or
Industrial
in
use
have
an
eight
foot
tall,
solid
fence
right
now.
If
you
want
an
eight
foot
fence,
their
top
two
feet
have
to
be
25
open.
So
this
would
allow
you
to
have
the
eight
foot
solid
defense
and
even
when
the
property
is
separated
by
an
Alleyway,
so
pretty
straightforward
happy
to
answer
any
questions
that
you
guys
have
on
that
I've.
C
F
E
Why
would
it
be
negative
to
allow
I
see
like
over
on
Penman,
where
there
are
alleys
Alleyways
in
the
back,
and
you
may
have
a
nuisance
use
on
one
side
and
you
need
an
eight
foot,
but
you
can't
do
it
in
the
back.
It
bounces
off
the
alley
and
comes
back
in
is
you're
no
better
off
than
you
were
without
it,
because
it
The
Sound
doesn't
travel
in
straight
ways.
It
emanates
in
a
circle
yeah,
and
so
it
can
bounce
out.
I
think.
If
somebody
wants
an
eight
foot
fence,
they
ought
to
be
a
lamp.
E
F
And
again
you
can
anyone
can
have
an
eight
foot
fence
now
side
or
a
rear
yard.
As
long
as
that,
top
two
foot
is
open.
So
you
see
these
fences
that
are
solid
up
to
that
six
foot
and
then
it's
kind
of
a
lattice
work
above
that.
So
this
would
allow
solid
again
on
any
side,
that's
adjacent
to
a
commercial
or
industrial
use
to
kind
of
help.
G
F
E
F
F
F
G
F
F
A
E
Your
joint
lvc
income
plan
meeting
is
this
Thursday
at
six
o'clock
and
we
will
have
the
CRA
participating
because
they
are
meeting
got
canceled
last
week
for
unfortunately
circumstances
so
they'll
also
be
part
of
this
discussion.