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A
A
Okay,
I'm
going
to
begin
by
just
giving
you
a
lot
of
how
it
works,
Planning,
Commission
meetings
or
quasi-judicial
in
nature.
All
decisions
of
the
commission
will
be
based
on
competent,
substantial
evidence,
including
testimony
provided
at
this
meeting.
Any
person
who
is
not
an
applicant
or
agent
that
wishes
to
speak
will
need
to
fill
out
a
speaker
just
a
card
located
on
the
side
table
by
the
corner
on
my
door
and
turn
them
into
the
clerk.
Each
member
of
the
public
will
be
given
three
minutes
to
speak
on
each
item.
A
Please
recline
from
speaking
from
the
audience
or
Applause
or
charity,
or
any
of
those
things
we
cut
up.
You
know
to
get
all
very
respectful
and
we
appreciate
you
doing
it
as
well,
and
please
silence
your
cell
phones.
So
with
that,
maybe
look
at
the
approval
of
the
minutes.
Please,
okay,.
A
Okay,
do
we
have
any
correspondence.
C
I've
had
to
order
a
couple
of
emails.
We've
received.
C
D
Received
two
emails
today
in
regards
to
items
B
and
C
on
your
agenda.
They
are
on
the
top
of
the
stack
I
handed
you
prior
to
the
start
of
the
meeting.
There
are
several
other
emails
underneath
that
stack
that
we
received
back
last
August
and
December
I
gave
you
copies
again
anyway,
just
so,
you
would
have
the
full
extent
of
all
the
correspondence
we
received
in
regard
to
that
item.
For
those
two
items.
Thank.
C
The
first
item
on
your
agenda
is
pc22-22
is
your
request
for
a
conditional
use
approval?
The
owner
is
Janelle
Wilson,
the
applicant
is
James,
the
guy
in
the
property
is
located
at
3016,
South
3rd
Street,
Unit
202.
The
request
is
for
conditional
use
for
personal
service
tailored
alteration
shop
in
the
CPO
zoning
District
subject:
property
is
a
small
commercial
structure
apparently
used
for
office
located
along
3rd
Street
South.
C
The
property
is
located
in
a
small
area
of
CPO
zoning
District
along
the
west
side
of
Third
Street
South
between
St
Augustine,
Boulevard
and
33rd
Avenue
South.
The
subject
property
has
a
small
parking
area
in
the
rear,
the
parking
spaces
that
meet
the
parking
requirements
for
office
use
and
two
additional
spaces
that
will
accommodate
the
change
in
use
with
personal
service.
The
business
has
been
located
in
Jacksonville
Beach
for
many
years
and
recently
moved
to
this
location.
C
The
demand
for
parking
for
this
type
of
use
is
low
and
there
is
no
anticipated
access
and
noise
or
traffic
that
will
be
generated.
The
business
will
operate
during
normal
business
hours.
Adjacent
uses
are
multi-family
to
the
West
office,
use
to
the
north
and
south
and
single
family
across
little
Street
to
the
east.
The
proposed
personal
service
use
is
consistent
with
CPO
zoning
standards
and
is
consistent
with
the
surrounding
commercial
and
multi-family
adjacent
uses.
Based
on
the
provided
application
and
Analysis
state
that
the
report,
the
Planning
and
Development
Department
regulates
approval
of
pc22-22.
C
E
A
A
E
B
G
E
I
didn't
get
any
further
communication
until
late
Friday
afternoon
and
an
email
saying
that
I
needed
to
be
here
at
seven
o'clock
tonight
so
and
you
know,
I
did
not
make
the
application,
but
I
do
own.
The
building
and
I've
been
there
for
a
couple
months.
I
didn't
realize
that
it
wasn't
performing
when.
E
A
Well
then,
I'll
close
the
public
hearing
and
bring
me
out
into
the
board
for
discussion.
Do
we
have
discussion
or
we
do?
We
have
a
motion
motion
approved
sorry.
E
A
B
D
D
When
we
get
to
the
speaker
portion
I
know,
we've
had
some
training
in
the
past,
but
one
thing
I
wanted
to
just
quickly
do
for
both
y'all's
sake
and
everyone.
That's
here
for
these
items
is
just
kind
of
really
briefly
discuss
over
3
or
30
000
feet.
What
the
comprehensive
plan
and
the
Land
Development
code
do
and
how
they're
linked
and
how
they
tie
back
to
these
requests
for
a
small
scale,
land
use
Amendment
and
a
rezoning
for
the
property
that
is
currently
Adventure
Landing.
D
Guiding
document
that
that
guides
growth
future
growth
for
a
community,
it
includes
things
like
the
future
land
use
element,
housing,
Transportation,
Recreation,
open
space
conservation
and
also
includes
What's
called
the
future
land
use
map
that
is,
the
community.
Has
the
ability
to
amend
we
haven't
ended
it
here
in
a
very,
very
long
time.
D
Land
use
amendments.
Excuse
me,
ladies
map.
Amendments
of
less
than
50
acres
are
considered
a
small
scale.
Amendment
per
Florida
statute,
which
is
a
new
rule,
I
believe
that
was
2021
and
our
current
comprehensive
plan
version
is
from
2011,
and
it's
had
some
periodic
updates
over
time.
Just
to
maintain
our
statutory
compliance
as
new
rules
are
issued
by
the
state
of
Florida
kind
of
that
next
step.
A
D
A
D
D
D
That
are
in
the
Land
Development
code,
as
some
of
you
already
know
are
allowable
uses,
densities
and
intensities
of
land,
but
it
does
allow
an
opportunity
for
Creative
uses
of
land
through
either
a
Planning
Development
zoning
or
Rd
Redevelopment.
Zoning
tonight
we'll
be
talking
about
the
Pud
zoning
category,
and
it
also
includes
processes
and
standards
to
change
both
the
comprehensive
plan,
future
land
use
map,
text
of
the
Land
Development
code
and
also
zoning
districts,
and
our
current
Land
Development
code,
I
think
someone
called
it
geriatric
or
elderly.
It
is
from
1991,
which.
D
D
I'm
going
to
skip
to
talking
about
the
applications
at
hand,
PC
1221
and
yes,
that's
2021
and
13
2021.
We
did
not
discuss
last
year,
it
was
deferred
by
the
applicant,
so
we
did
not
provide
a
presentation
to
you,
which
is
what
we're
doing
at
this
point
in
time.
Pc
1221
is
the
small
scale.
Land
use
Amendment
component
and
1321.
Is
that
re
rezoning
piece
so.
D
D
That
the
applicant
is
asking
for
so
this.
The
title
of
this
project
is
the
Beach
Boulevard
mixed
use,
Neighborhood
Center.
That
was
a
title.
D
I
D
E
D
D
Of
you
saw
that
some
of
you
didn't
just
so
we're
all
on
the
same
page,
the
applicant
one
of
the
changes
that
they
they
made
to
this
project
is
that
they
have
applied
to
and
received
approval
from
FEMA
to
remove
a
portion
of
the
property
out
of
the
special
flood
Hazard
area.
This
included
both
shaded
X
and
AE
flood
zones
to
allow
them
to
free
up
so
a
small
area
of
additional
property
for
potential
development,
and
the
request
was
based
on
existing
conditions
of
the
property
and
I
have
a
flood
zone
map
on
another
slide.
D
I'll
show
and
just
kind
of
explain
that
a
little
bit
more
I
was
primarily
shaded
X,
which
doesn't
fall
under
our
flood
zone
ordinance,
but
AE
does
they
also
revised
the
site
plan
to
require
or
to
provide?
Excuse
me,
the
required
50-foot
up
and
buffer
between
development
and
existing
wetlands,
and
something
else
new
to
this
amended
application
is
that
the
project
contemplates
a
small
element
of
supporting
commercial
not
to
exceed
in
the
current
proposal
on
a
5
000
square
feet
total.
D
So
this
is
the
flood
zone
map
and
I
apologize.
The
color
is
not
that
great
on
the
screen,
but
all
of
this
pink
area
is
shaded
X,
so
our
flood
ordinance
does
not
apply
in
the
yellow
as
well.
It's
these
blue
areas
that
are
flood
in
the
AE
flood
zone
have
a
certain
elevation
that
have
to
be
built
too,
and
our
comprehensive
plan
states
that
density
will
not
be
increased
in
these
flood
zones.
So
you'll
see
in
a
later
Slide.
The
applicant
has
moved
around
their
site
plan.
D
E
So
the
the
project
summary
what's
being
proposed
is.
D
Development
on
10.9
Acres
of
project
area
at
a
density
of
40
units
per
acre,
which
is
allowed
by
the
comprehensive
plan
still
427
multi-family
dwelling
units
are
being
proposed
in
addition
to
1800
square
feet
of
commercial
and
in
this,
current
form
is
being
proposed
at
a
coffee
shop
with
the
potential
for
5
000
square
feet
of
aggregate
commercial.
That
would
be
the
maximum,
as
is
being
shown,
could
include
things
like
retail
office,
personal
service
child
day
care
as
permitted
uses
in
the
project.
D
Of
that
have
not
been
worked
out
so.
A
D
The
next
request
is
to
change
three
and
a
quarter
Acres
from
recreational
open
space
to
high
density,
residential
and
then
2.15,
Acres
of
commercial
to
Recreation,
open
space,
0.14,
Acres
of
commercial
and
0.31
Acres
of
high
density
residential
to
Recreation,
open
space
and
18.8
Acres
of
low
density
resident
residential
to
conservation.
The
total
project
size
is
just
under
54
acres
and
I.
Have
some
maps
I'll
show
you
to
kind
of
go
along
with
that.
So
this
is
the
property
location
where
the
current
development
exists.
You
can
see
outline
here
in
the
Gold
Line.
D
This
is
these
are
the
existing
conditions,
so
obviously,
eventually
is
right
here
and
there
they
have
two
gravel
and
grass
seasonal
parking
lots
that
are
in
these
two
areas.
Here,
hopefully,
you
can
see
that
the
full
property
location
includes
this,
which
is
just
over
30
Acres
of
property.
Part
of
it
is
in
conservation.
Land
use.
Part
of
it
is
a
low
density.
Residential
I
have
a
map
showing
more
detail
on
that
later.
D
The
existing
future
land
uses,
which
are
commercial
recreation,
open
space,
parcel,
2,
parcel,
6
and
parcel
8
is
partially
conservation,
and
then
this
kind
of
speckled
here
is
low
density
residential
with
some
high
density
residential
over
here
kind
of
off
to
the
side
of
parcel
6.,
and
these
are
so.
These
are
the
existing
land
uses,
as
they
are
now
in
our
comprehensive
plan.
D
What
the
applicant
is
proposing
or
and
requesting
is
that
person
wanted
to
on
this
map
are
high
density
residential,
while
maintaining
Parcels.
Four
and
five
is
Recreation
open
space,
maintaining
personal
six
as
a
conservation,
changing
parcel
7
to
Recreation,
open
space
and
then
changing
all
of
parcel
aids
to
conservation.
D
D
The
existing
zoning
as
well,
the
pink
is
the
commercial
General
C2.
So
that's
her.
The
current
Adventure
Landing
part
sits
right
now.
These
orange
areas
are
planned
unit
development.
This
is
where
those
seasonal,
grass
and
gravel
parking
lots
are
located
and
those
were
changed,
but
in
99
and
97
to
plant
unit
development
to
allow
that.
D
D
D
Different
site
plan
being
proposed
than
what
was
in
the
application
around
about
a
year
ago.
D
Originally
there
was
a
building
in
this
location,
and
the
applicant
has
completely
removed
that
building
from
the
site
plan
and
clustered
the
development
closer
towards
the
center
of
the
property,
bring
this
area
up
for
a
new
storm
water
retention,
Pond
still
proposing
the
same
number
of
units
parking
spaces
for
both
the
residential
and
the
commercial
component.
D
In
addition
to
all
the
amenities
that
would
go
along
with
the
project
and
a
boardwalk
with
the
viewing
platform
down
here
towards
the
South
Center
of
the
project,
and
then
up
here
is
where
they,
the
applicant,
is
proposing
a
some
sort
of
Welcome
to
Jacksonville
beach
side.
D
So
staff
has
done
obviously
quite
a
bit
of
review
and
Analysis
on
both
of
these
applications,
both
the
land
use,
Amendment
and
the
rezoning
request
and
we've
determined
if
this
is
kind
of
our
analysis
up
here,
the
following
things:
that
what
they're
requesting
is
not
increasing
any
density
in
the
flood
zone.
The
designated
team
of
flood
zones,
as
was
an
issue
with.
D
D
The
pop
one
of
the
things
we
looked
at
was
the
population
projections
in
the
comprehensive
plan
and
they
were
a
lot
lower
than
what's
actually
been
documented,
with
the
2020
census
indicating
to
us
that
there's
a
larger
demand
for
housing
that
was
anticipated
originally
when
the
comprehensive
plan
was
updated.
Last
and
again,
I
want
to
point
out
that
the
rezoning
application,
which
is
PC
1321,
is
contingent
on
the
land
use
being
changed.
So,
if
they're,
that
that's,
why
I'm
talking
about
them
together,
because
they
really
do
go
hand
in
hand
and
I?
D
Think
that's
my
last
slide.
If
you
want
to
save
questions,
so
the
applicant
has
had
an
opportunity
to
do
their
presentation,
or
did
you
want
to
ask
questions
of
staff
at
this
point.
F
I
do
I'm
I'm
the
I'm
looking
at
this
one,
the
proposed
site
plan-
yes
ma'am
it,
and
it
was
a
little
walkway
is
here.
Is
this
going
to
be
opened
up
as
more
housing
in
here
at
the
single
family
housing?
Is
that
what.
D
A
D
Would
there
would
not
be
anything
down
past
that
point.
E
D
J
E
A
D
Well,
with
that,
I
will
turn
it
over
to
the
applicant
I
know
they
have
some
additional
things,
so
I'm
sure
they
want
to
add,
and
then
we
can
open
it
up
for
obviously,
additional
questions.
E
B
I
said
that
the
HF
could
applicant
about
the
history
and
timing
of
the
project
and
then
received
the
email
submaracting
such
thank.
You.
K
E
With
regard
to
the
project
and
I
spoke
one
time
with
Mr,
debenow's
client,
Mr
Allen,
maybe
nine
months
ago,
or
so.
A
I
Chair
before
Steve
comes.
K
Up
I'm
going
to
the.
K
E
E
K
Record
Steve
and
I
want
to
live
in
the
Drive
Suite
1200
sec.
B
K
Do
thank
you,
madam
chair,
thank
you
so
much
for
the
opportunity
to
come
before
this
body
again.
I
think
the
staff
did
a
great
job
of
outlining
the
current
situation
and
what
happened
during
the
last
several
months.
As
you
know,
we
had
two
big
issues
that
were
addressed
through
this
last
eight
months.
I
want
to
give
you
just
a
quick
summary
of
that.
The
first
one
is.
K
There
was
a
discussion
with
the
staff
and
then
again,
if
this
board,
regarding
the
amount
of
land
that
was
in
the
flood
zone,
and
then
the
second
issue
was
regarding
the
size
of
the
the
width
of
the
setbacks
from
saltwater
marshes
and
also
freshwater
weapons.
K
As
Miss
Ireland
indicated,
we
stepped
all
development
back
50
feet
beyond
the
bumpers
that
we
had
previously,
not
your
discussion
with
the
staff.
We
did
that
in
order
to
comply
with
the
planning
director's
interpretation
of
the
code
on
salt
marshes
and
freshwater
weapons
on
the
on
the
flood
zone
issues.
What
we
did
is
we
did
something
a
little
bit
atypical
in
development,
and
that
is
that
we
went
and
asked
FEMA
for
an
opinion
on
our
flood
zone
map.
K
Early
typically,
that
would
happen
after
the
planning
effort
takes
place,
but
at
Miss
Ireland's
request
in
order
to
prove
the
amount
of
land
that
we
had
outside
the
flood
zone.
We
first
produced
a
topographic
map
that
showed
10.9
acres
of
land
outside
the
flood
zone,
and
then
we
had
FEMA
confirm
that
map
and
they
went
through
their
process,
which
was
basically
called.
K
K
K
It's
just
that
today
there
are
10.9
Acres
of
lands
located
outside
the
flood
zone,
and
so
what
we
did
is
we
committed
to
the
planning
director
and
committee
today
that
we
would
only
have
10.9
Acres
of
development
on
this
property
and
that
results
in
there
being
no
loss
of
flood
zones
in
this
vicinity.
K
The
other
thing
that
we
did
prior
to
our
last
meeting
is
we
had
several
Community
meetings
and
there
were
two
issues
that
were
brought
up
at
length
in
multiple
times.
One
was
the
desire
to
have
some
type
of
retail
use
inside
this
proposed
development,
and
the
second
one
was
that
there
would
be
a
boardwalk
or
a
viewing
platform
or
some
way
to
activate
the
land
to
the
South
and.
K
To
commissioner
Murphy
White's
question
all
the
property
that's
located
south
of
Adventure
Landing,
which
is
basically
this
the
parcel
that's
down
there
with
the
number
zero
it's
about,
32,
Acres
or
so
that
entire
first,
that
entire
parcel
has
a
mix
of
land
uses
and
we're
taking
all
of
that
property
from
being
split,
land,
use
from
low
density,
residential
and
conservation
to
all
being
in
the
conservation,
land
use
and
that's
Illustrated.
Here,
the
the
the
parcel.
K
There
is
split
between
conservation
and
partial
agencies,
but
between
concentration
and
low
density,
residential
and
then
a
proposed
lady
cement.
Everything
will
go
to
conservation,
and
that
was
quite
a
few
things,
but
primarily
coming
and
we'll
talk
about
at
the
moment.
But
this
but
again
to
address
Community
questions.
K
We've
committed
a
group
to
build
a
viewing
platform
going
south
out
of
the
property
into
the
weapons,
so
that
folks
can
appreciate
the
lemons
now.
The
other
part
of
that
conversation
was
why
don't
we
connect
with
the
shetter
Avenue
and
we're
prepared
to
allow
the
city
to
connect
to
shutter
Avenue
if
the
city
decides
to
build
a
boardwalk
down
shutter
and
into
the
Lebanon,
so
that
there's
a
public
connection
and
a
public
access?
We're
willing
to
do
that?
We're
even
willing
to
have
conversations
about
how
that
might
take
place
or
who
might
pay
for
it.
E
K
Also
added
a
2
000
square
foot
coffee
restaurant
in
the
building.
You
can
go
up
to
five
thousand
square
feet,
but
what
we're
asking
for
in
this
particular
zone
is
2000
square
feet.
So
again
we
met
what
came
up
and
we
increased
the
setbacks.
We
added
a
retail
use
and
we
also
committed
to
doing
a
viewing
platform
and
all
of
those
things
came
out
of
neighborhood
meetings
and
meetings
with
with
the
staff.
K
Now
there
was
a
question
I
think
I
think
it
was
commissioner
larman
that
asked
about
the
3.24
acres.
Is
that
who
just
asked
about
that?
I'm?
Sorry,
Mr
Andrews!
Maybe
you
did
okay,
so
there's
that
number
is
a
net
reduction
when
you're,
comparing
when
you're
mixing
up
all
those
acreages
and
one
three
year,
a
few
points
over
there
we're
basically
asking
to
reduce
the
recreation
open
space
by
3.24
acres
in
order
to
do
high
density
residential.
K
So
when
you
do
all
those
puts
and
takes
on
the
acreages
what
your
what
the
result
is,
is
pretty
remarkable
and
the
substance
of
the
email
that
I
sent
everybody
I
listed
a
lot
of
the
benefits
from
this
rezoning
I'm
going
to
go
over
them
quickly,
just
so
they're
in
the
record,
if
that's
okay,
Madam
chair
and
what
this
really
goes
to
is:
what's
the
public
benefit
of
this
reason
and
this
Landing
semester
in
order
to
justify
changing
land
for
recreation,
open
space
to
something
else,
there's
a
large
number
of
criteria
that
you
have
to
meet,
which
we
filed
in
our
application,
which
the
staff
agrees
that
we
met
those
criteria.
K
But
in
addition,
there
has
to
be
a
public
benefit
which
again
is
outlined
in
our
application
and
staff
agreed
with
us.
But
here
are
the
quick,
the
quick
results
of
that
of
that
all
of
that
work.
First
of
all,
we
have
a
mixed-use
development
that
has
a
40
decrease
in
developable
acres
per
the
comprehensive
plan.
Yes,
ma'am.
K
F
I'm,
just
I
I've
got
the
visual
learner
and
an
audio
learner.
So
if
you
had
your,
you
know,
points
bullet
points
on
what
the
public
benefit
that
you're
going
to
present
to
us.
How
many
points
they
are
on
what
they
are.
That
would
just
be
easier
for
me,
so
I'll
just
manage
here.
E
If
you
want
to
say
that
this
is
a
large
large
set
of
paperwork
and
I
received
mine,
because
I
made
a
special
assignment,
you
can
kind
of
see
the
director
on
Monday
and
she
accommodated
me
actually
occurred
me
a
copy.
There's
a
huge
I,
don't
know
how
many
months
you
spent
on
this,
but
I
had
three
days
because
I
didn't
work
the
week.
E
K
K
It
also
increases
housing
choices
which,
as
Miss
Ireland
outlined
in
her
presentation,
the
population
growth
in
Jacksonville
Beach
has
exceeded
what
was
projected
in
the
comprehensive
plan
and,
as
a
result,
there
are
is
a
need
for
additional
housing
options.
That's
the
purpose,
as
you
know,
the
rezoning
is
to
provide
an
available
multi-family
housing
option.
K
The
other
thing
that
this
does-
and
this
is
pretty
cool
too
there's-
also
an
improvement
in
storm
water
quality.
So
if
you
look
at
today
on
this
project
in
the
two
orange
triangles
up
there,
the
Pud
99,
760
and
QD
97
7701.
Those
are
the
parking
lots
for
the
development
today
and
those
parking
lots
have
direct
discharge
into
the
into
the
salt
marshes
and
into
the
freshwater
weapons.
The
the
oil
and
grease
and
everything
that
comes
off
the
cars
that
are
parked
there
gets
discharged
directly
into
the
environment.
There's
not
a
storm
water
management.
K
Benefit
in
addition
to
the
increased
setbacks
and
the
increased
buffers,
that's
a
really
big
deal
for
the
improved
quality
of
the
Environmental
Quality
of
this
of
this
particular
property.
K
Again,
if
you
do
the
math
and
it's
it's
all
in
the
in
the
application,
there's
there's
three
times
as
much
conservation
and
Recreation
and
open
space
land
there's
seven
times
as
much
conservation.
Land
versus
development
land
know
that
these
two
Parcels
back
here
these
two
orange
Parcels,
were
the
parking
is
today
those
are
planned
as
Recreation
open
space,
which
is
nice,
but
they're
actually
parking
lots.
So,
even
though
they're
planned
for
recreation
open
space,
there's
cars
parked
there
in
our
development,
everything
that's
Recreation
and
open
space
and
conservation,
which
is
best
shown
here.
K
The
only
thing
that
resembles
development
that'll
be
in
any
of
that
land
is
a
viewing
platform
and
a
stormwater
retention
Pond.
Those
are
the
only
two
things
that
you
might
denote
as
being
development
and
the
stormwater
Pond.
Obviously,
I've
mentioned
the
environmental
benefits.
That's
permitted
in
the
recreation
open
space
category,
as
is
the
viewing
platform
so
you're
going
from.
Not
only
not
only
are
you
getting
more
land
than
the
conservation
of
recreation
category
but
you're
getting
better
and
higher
quality
increase
than
we
have
today
in
in
this.
K
K
So
if
you
look
compare
the
existing
land
use
categories
which
are
at
the
top
of
the
top
three
lines
today,
that's
just
the
development
potential
based
on
the
acreages
that
exist.
Today
you
have
a
daily
trip
potential
of
8737
cars
per
day
or
847
cars
per
PMP
hour
and
then
at
the
bottom.
You
have
the
proposed
land
uses
which
are
our
HD
and
CC.
K
K
So
when
I
say
that
there's
a
56
reduction
interest
for
the
land
use
application,
I'm,
comparing
the
3831
versus
the
8737
when
I
say,
there's
a
66
percent
reduction
in
trips
based
on
the
zoning
I'm,
comparing
the
2950
trips
on
the
very
bottom,
so
the
8737,
which
is
the
development
potential
today,
can
you
define
a
trip?
A
trip
is
a
car
that
comes
and
goes
from
a
site
and
it
and
when
you
say
PM
peak
hour,
that's
during
peak
hours,
specifically
4
pm
to
6
p.m
or
5
PM
to
7.
K
Pm
is
a
two
hour
window
that
they
measure
that
and
these
by
the
way
these
statistics
are
not
like.
We
didn't
just
make
these
up.
These
are
statistics
from
something
called
the
ite
trip
generation
manual.
So
these
are
just
numbers
straight
out
of
a
book
that
a
traffic
engineer
would
use
to
determine
the
traffic
potential
for
development.
So
there
wasn't
a
study.
K
Wasn't
any
kind
of
analysis
done?
It's
it's
really
straightforward
and
very
much
in
in
black
and
white.
The
other
thing
regarding
traffic
that
we
included
in
our
application
was
fdot's
most
recent
analysis
of
traffic
capacity
on
Beach
Boulevard
and
that's
also
included
in
the
application.
But
it
basically
shows
that
there
is
plenty
of
capacity
on
each
Boulevard
for
not
only
this
development
but
frankly
for
the
full
development
potential.
K
If
we
determined
to
not
do
this
use
and
just
pursue,
for
example,
a
shopping
center
which
generates
you
know,
a
lot
of
trip
in
fact,
today
buy
right,
we
could
generate
a
strip
shopping
center,
think
of
a
grocery
and
group
shopping
center,
and
that
would
generate
the
third
line
down
that
would
generate
based
on
the
acreage
we
have,
which
is
about
7.98
Acres.
That
would
generate
79
800
square
feet
of
retail,
which
would
generate
seven
thousand
five
hundred
fifty
five.
K
Fifty
four
daily
cars
282
am
peak
hour,
cars
and
731
PM
peak
hour
trips,
so
buy
right
today,
just
make
it
real,
simple,
say
we're
only
going
to
develop
the
commercial
forget,
all
the
residential,
that's
in
the
back
all
the
loaded
and
see
residential
everything
else.
The
strip
shopping
center
that
we
could
do
today
would
generate
almost
three
times
as
much
traffic
as
what
we're
proposing
in
our
reason,
understood
just
just
to
make
this
clear,
though
single-family,
residential
and
multi-family
on
the
first
instance
right.
There
is
currently
not
allowed
to
be
developed
correct.
K
K
Residential
piece,
obviously,
is
too
small:
it's
0.31
Acres.
You
can't
really
do
anything
with
that,
but
when
we
measure
impacts,
we
still
look
at
it.
We
you
know,
we
throw
it
up
on
the
board,
it's
something
for
you
to
take
into
consideration,
but
this
is
another
big
deal
that
low
density
residential
piece,
which
is
back
here,
is
8.8
Acres,
impartial
hate,
all
those
little
black,
dots
and
parsley
that
is
currently
planned
for
low
density
residential.
K
If
you
look
at
the
maps
that
aerial
photo
here
between
the
two
zeros
that
that's
all
loved
ones,
so
today
we
could
modify
that
conservation
easement.
It
would
be
expensive,
but
we
could
modify
the
conservation
easement.
We
could
extend
shutter
Avenue,
it's
a
public
right-of-way.
We
could
build
that
road
out
to
that
Upland
area
there
and
we
can
build
mountains.
It
would
be
expensive.
It
would
be
very
time
consuming,
but
what's
important
is
there
will
be
no
public
notice.
K
We
can
modify
that
conservation
easily
and
there
would
be
a
meeting
in
Palatka
the
St
John's
river
water
Rancher
district
and
they
would
publish
their
own
agenda,
but
there
wouldn't
be
any
signs
put
up
there.
Wouldn't
be
any
letters
sent
to
any
of
the
neighbors,
we
could
modify
the
conservations
of
easement
build
the
road
develop
homes
there,
not
really
anything.
Anyone
could
do
about
it
under
our
proposal
when
we
go
and
we
cover
that
entire
piece
of
conservation
land
use.
Now,
if
we
ever
try
to
change
it,
signs
will
go
up
notice.
K
K
No,
that
no
that's
absolutely
right,
yeah
yeah,
that's
right
and
and
again
in
the
code.
It
asks
what
the
public
benefits
are
of
of
the
changes,
and
so
we
would
submit
that
converting
18
point
Acres
of
low
density,
residential
into
0.31,
acres
of
high
density,
residential
and
making
the
other
changes
that
results
in
all
the
things
I
just
mentioned
is
a
public
benefit
and
and
we'd
also
submit
that
the
public,
having
the
public
notice
of
any
future
changes
in
the
use
on
this
property
and
personally
also
has
a
benefit.
K
The
very
last
and
very
last
thing,
I'll
mention
is
that
when
you
look
at
how
this
property,
maybe
developed
and
its
entirety-
and
you
look
at
this
site
plan
and
and
the
plan
of
preservation,
this
whole
blue
parcel
down
on
the
south.
What.
K
Of
the
site
is
undeveloped,
and
93
of
that
is
contiguous
and
available
for
wildlife,
wildlife,
habitat
and
that's
a
big
deal.
It's
43
Acres
that
are
available
for
open
space
and
conservation
today,
which
obviously
could
be
changed
without
any
notice.
If
this
plan
weren't
adopted
the
last
thing
I
want
to
share
with
you
just
are
some
some
some
elevations
of
the
of
the
property,
so
you've
seen
versions
of
this,
maybe
previously
in
the
paper
in
the
lower
right
hand,
corner
we're,
reserving
a
parcel
pool.
K
Representation
that
the
architect
put
in
there,
what
we
would
do
is
we
would
allow
the
city
council
and
the
in
the
community
to
develop
whatever
they
wanted
to
be
there
and
they
could
develop
that
into
a
entry
feature
or
a
or
a
sign,
or
maybe
it's
a
mural
or
a
statue.
I
have
no
idea,
but
that's
just
a
representation
of
a
space,
because
when
you're
coming
over
the
bridge,
you
know
this
is
a
pretty
prominent
Corner
you're
going
to
see
when
you
come
over
the
bridge
and
come
into
the
city.
K
This
is
the
view,
obviously,
from
the
West
looking
back
towards
from
the
Easter
Island
will
be
back
towards
the
West
and
then
I
have
hard
copy
of
this
as
well
that
I'll
pass
out,
and
then
this
is
the
the
street
level
view
of
that
of
that
property
was
like.
K
So
with
that
I'll
stop.
I
really
appreciate
your
patience.
Listening
to
me
summarize,
our
current
applications
with
me
tonight
is
is
Caitlin
Taylor
who's
here
on
behalf
of
Travato
and
also
Lionel
Perez
who's
with
England
sends
a
Miller
and
we're
happy
to
answer
any
questions
that
you
may
have,
as
this
continues
on
tonight.
A
D
A
Regards
to
his
okay,
so
we
will
break
for
three
minutes
and
I
will
use
my
three-minute
time
counter
in
order
to
make
sure
that
we're
all.
On
the
same
time,.
A
E
I
E
A
Thank
you
so
much
for
your
patience.
We
really
appreciate
it.
The
public
hearing
it
remains
open
and
I
do
want
to
stop
and
that
increases.
A
F
F
J
From
the
very
first
Community
Workshop
over
one
year
ago
concerned
for
myself
and
many
other
citizens
was
what
does
the
additional
cars
created
by
this
development
mean
for
the
quality
of
life
of
current
residents?
The
two
issues
I
bring
to
you
tonight
or
this
first,
the
traffic
related
study
within
the
App
application.
Only
references
vehicle
trips
on
Beach
Boulevard.
It
disregards
any
reference
to
our
north-south
Corridor
Third
Street,
South,
Beach,
Parkway,
Penman
Road.
J
We
don't
know
the
impact,
but
we
should
in
fact
the
objective
of
te
1.1
of
our
comp
plan
says
we
must
and
I
quote,
maintain
an
acceptable
level
of
service
on
all
roadways
within
the
city
of
Jax
Beach.
Second,
the
application
study
doesn't
say
anything
about
new
bio
of
cars
that
will
now
reside
east
of
the
intercoastal.
The
study
is
about
trips,
not
volume.
They
are
two
distinct
sets
of
data.
Let's
assume
I
build
the
79
000
square
foot
shopping
center
is
shown
in
the
study.
J
Let's
assume
all
the
cars
going
to,
that
shopping
center
come
from
Jack's
Beach
I
haven't
added
any
more
vehicles
to
Jax,
Beach
or
east
of
the
intercoastal.
The
cars
already
exist.
They
go
to
the
shopping
center
and
they
return
from
where
they
came.
This
is
not
the
case
here.
Assume
1.5,
carbs
per
427
units
and
you've
got
641
new
cars.
It's
not
about
adding
body
and
trips
up
and
down
Beach
Boulevard,
it's
about
adding
more
cars
period
and
not
just
Beach
Boulevard,
but
to
its
our
entire
Island
City.
J
So
what
we
residents
want
to
know
and
what
we
ask
in
the
first
Workshop
is
Will.
These
added
cars
have
any
negative
impact
on
us,
taking
our
kids
to
school.
Going
to
the
doctor
running
simple
errands.
There
are
no
packs
contained
in
the
application
that
say
that
I
am
not
opposed
to
this
development
if
the
developer
or
the
Planning
Group
or
this
committee
can
tell
me
factually
that
the
roads
in
and
around
Jack's
Beach
and
not
just
Beach
Boulevard
can
handle
the
traffic
it
can.
J
Summarize
I,
believe
the
facts,
as
I
presented,
show
this
application
inconsistent
with
spirit
and
intent
of
the
transportation
element
of
te
1.1,
a
more
comp
plan
and
the
objective
of
lu1.
Thus
my
recommendation
is
to
table
this
application
until
a
proper
traffic
impact.
Analysis
can
be
done
and
we
could
actually
support
that
our
current
roads
have
the
capacity
to
take
on
the
new
cars
throughout
Jax
Beach.
Thank
you.
A
B
I
Foreign
statement
but
I
just
kind
of
put
some
notes
based
on
what
I
saw
in
the
application
first
thing
I'd
like
to
talk
about
is
west
of
the
intercoastal.
We
have
1100
apartment
units
currently
under
construction
within
a
few
miles
of
this
project.
We're
talking
about.
We
can
look
at
this
Jack
speech,
but
we
have
to
look
at
those
neighbors
that
are
going
to
start
coming
our
way
we
also
as
far
as
fighting
for
open
Recreation
or
for
community
recreation.
We
can't
live
up
to
that,
we're
just
bars
and
sand.
I
We
have
to
have
places
for
people
to
go.
I
see
all
these
hotels
being
built.
If
they're
not
at
the
beach.
Where
are
they
going
to
go?
Are
we
just
pushing
them
to
the
town
center?
Let's
have
some
stuff
at
the
beach
for
the
citizens.
I
am
against
this
also
because
it
brings
no
value
to
any
current
Citizen
and
only
a
dilution
of
our
services
in
an
interference
in
our
quality
line.
I
I'm,
not
sure
if
you
guys
remember
the
stickers
that
went
around
a
while
ago,
that
says:
hey
I'm,
a
local,
we
don't
cross
the
ditch.
What
we
do
now,
if
we
want
to
go
to
a
bowling
alley,
we
go
to
St
John's
Bluff.
I
If
we
want
to
go
to
the
movies,
we
go
all
the
way
up
to
Kernan
Road.
We
must
fight
or
have
things
at
the
beach
for
us
as.
I
Like
this,
if
they
could
have
developed
that
other
bit
of
property,
they
absolutely
would.
The
point
made
that
it
was
too
expensive
to
do
is
why
it's
not
developed
today?
How
many
birthday
parties
can
we
have
per
Saturday
on
the
boardwalk
three
per
day?
Again,
we
need
to
have
something
for
the
kids
in
Jax
Beach
to
go
to
the
reason.
I
say
that
this
property
changed
hands
in
2021
based
on
a
bankruptcy
decision.
That's
like
a
lot
of
dick
they're
hoping
you
will
approve
this
form.
I
They
didn't
go
through
the
zoning
process
ahead
of
time
like
the
due
diligence
that
most
property
buyers
do.
They
said
you
know
what
we'll
buy
it
and
then
we'll
convince
the
commission
to
do
it
for
us
hours
versus
peak
time
as
far
as
traffic,
eventually,
it's
kind
of
steady
right.
They
open
up
at
noon
and
they
kind
of
close
at
8
or
10..
How
many
people
are
going
to
try
and
get
to
work
out
of
this
proposal
every
morning
between
six
and
eight
o'clock,
there's
no
extra
room
for
cars
on
that
road.
I
The
last
thing
I
would
say
to
you,
ask
for
more
ask
for
better
and
you're
our
last
line
of
defense
so
hold
Trump.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you.
E
G
J
J
With
that,
so
noting
the
public
use
for
the
community
is
nowhere
comparable
to
what
the
space's
establishment
is
already
being
used
for,
which
has
benefited
the
community
in
Duval
County
for
decades
Senator.
My
concerns
are
for
our
long-time
Community
supporters
and
Advocates
and
owners
what
is
being
proposed
to
Aid
the
current
tenants
during
this
extreme
transition.
Also
the
safety
measures
and
security
plan.
What
kind
of
security
is
going
to
be
at
this
apartment
complex?
J
It
just
seems
like
it
could
be
kind
of
the
grounds
for
unsafe
things
to
happen
there.
Reducing
vehicle
flow
means
reducing
Revenue
right.
So
don't
we
want
those
patients
visiting
our
town.
It
seems
unproductive
to
build
more
Living
Spaces
when
there's
more
vacant
homes
than
there
are
homeless
people
and
there's
more
and
more
homelessness
happening
in
our
streets
every
day.
Will
any
of
these
apartments
be
designated
for
Section,
Eight
I
haven't
heard
anything
about
that,
yet
our
town
doesn't
need
another
complex
or
strip.
J
I
Living
on
Hopland
Road
for
25
years,
I've
watched
this.
This
piece
be
developed
into
Adventure
Landing
of
what's
the
adjacent
piece
swim
flip
the
wetlands
to
what
is
now
the
vacant
piece
in
front
of
the
church.
I
had
to
peace
personally
under
contract
where
the
church
is
which
was
zoned
residential
Long
Beach
Boulevard
tried
to
get
this
board
to
approve
it
for
a
low
density
office,
similar
to
what
Don
Trejo
is
up
on
the
opposite
side
of
Beach
Boulevard
I
was
denied.
I
I
Mr
Sutton,
Mr
Dahl-
we're
both
present
during
all
of
these
changes
that
the
change
wasn't
given
to
me
on
that
residential
piece,
because
that
was
on
the
hills
of
Home
Depot
wanting
to
come
in,
they
were
denied
because
of
traffic
and-
and
you
know
a
Home
Depot,
certainly
wouldn't
it
would
add
traffic
according
to
these
studies,
but
not
Cars.
This
will
add.
Cars
can
make
a
good
point
and
made
the
point
to
me
also
that
north
south
I'm,
not
talking
about
my
office,
is
on
pendon
Road.
I
It's
coming
up
for
it's
coming
up
for
expansion
in
2026.,
that's
going
to
be
a
two-year
project
because
that's
going
to
cause
they're
going
to
have
to
do
sewer
water,
drainage
and
everything
have
been
rubbed,
floods,
nearly
floods.
Every
time
we
have
a
torrential
afternoon
downpour,
not
you
know
not
less.
What
we're
going
to
see
in
two
days
here
so
I
mean
I,
think
that
it
would
is
would
be
hooked
the
board
to
get
an
accurate
traffic
study.
Not
just
you
know,
a
car
counter
or
whatever,
but
before
they
approve
this.
F
I
I
The
previous
owner
was
going
to
do
those
as
condos.
The
current
owner
is
going
to
do
it
as
Apartments.
Those
guys
are
cash
flows.
They're
they're
not
going
to
develop
it
to
sell
three
simple
townhouses
they're,
going
to
develop
it
with
Partners,
so
they'll
use
that
precedence
here.
The
people
in
recruit
are
going
to
come
back
and
ask
you
for
the
same
thing.
G
I
am
here
to
oppose
the
staff
approved,
modified
free
zoning
and
future
land
use
application
for
the
land
for
the
Adventure
Landing
project.
It
is
too
big
at
427
units.
The
comprehensive
plan
quote
for
458
new
units
between
2011
and
2030..
This
one
development
is
just
31
units
under
that
number
and
I
know
more
than
31
housing
units
have
gone
up
in
Jack
speech
between
2011
and
today.
So
this
project
is
totally
out
of
line
with
the
goals,
objectives
and
policies
outlined
in
the
city's
home
complex.
G
Another
pressing
issue
is
the
amount
of
cars
these
units
will
add
to
our
streets.
While
it
might
be
true
that
Beach
Boulevard
may
be
able
to
handle
the
increased
traffic
I
doubt
the
new
residents
will
limit
their
travels
to
up
and
down
Beach
Boulevard,
I'm,
pretty
sure
they're
going
to
be
using
pen,
midnight
and
A1A.
The
left
turn
lane
on
beach
onto
Penman
already
backs
up
into
the
left
lane
completely
back
in
it
up,
as
does
the
left
turn
lane
at
reach.
G
An
A1A
I
have
seen
traffic
on
9th
Street,
backed
up
from
the
stop
sign
at
16th,
Street,
Avenues
South.
All
the
way
to
8th
Avenue
South
and
this
project
is
not
the
only
one
adding
cars.
The
new
development
at
the
marina
will
also
add.
More
cars,
A1A
and
9th
Street
have
been
worked
on
within
the
last
10
years.
I
doubt
they
can
handle
another
500
to
800
cars
per
day.
G
Comp
plan
and
policy
Lu
1.4.1
states
that
the
city
will
assess
the
impact
of
any
new
development
upon
the
transportation
Network
to
see
if
they
are
approaching
a
capacity
deficit.
I
would
like
to
know
if
this
has
been
done
for
all
the
arterial
streets
and,
if
so,
what
the
results
are
and,
if
not
my
request,
one
be
done
before
approval
of
any
development,
and
that
is
a
bogus
statistic
that
I
gave
as
Ken
Marsh
said:
commercial
traffic
trips
consist
of
cars
already
here.
G
These
would
be
bringing
probably
854
new
cars
to
that
development
if
each
apartment
has
two
cars
which
they
probably
do,
the
development
also
seems
incompatible
with
property,
with
policy
Lu
1.42
of
the
comp
plan,
which
calls
for
housing
units
to
accommodate
people
of
low
and
moderate
incomes
and
the
elderly.
My
understanding
from
the
presentation
last
year
is
this
will
be
an
upscale
development,
which
means
the
people
who
work
here
at
the
beach
won't
be
able
to
afford
them.
Neither
were
the
elderly
on
a
fixed
income
as
Citizens.
G
We
put
our
trust
in
you,
the
Planning
Commission,
to
protect
us
from
future
problems
like
traffic
jams
and
overcrowding,
to
ensure
that
Jax
Beach
remains
a
pleasant,
affordable,
livable
Community.
It
actually
used
to
be
kind
of
quirky
one
with
a
laid-back
Vibe
and
with
more
bikes
than
cars.
Around
12
Town
Center
people
were
a
lot
friendlier.
Development
is
good.
Over
development
is
not
Jax.
Beach
is
very
much
in
danger
of
becoming
another
overdeveloped
overcrowded,
overpriced,
Beach
Community,
with
no
local
character.
What
is
not
the
type
of
community
I
moved
to
or
want
to
live
in.
G
Yeah
one
more
thing
that
lawyer
stated
that
100
that
one
of
the
benefits
of
this
project
was
100
reduction
in
low
density.
Zoning
I,
don't
consider
that
a
benefit,
a
change
from
low
density,
zoning
to
high
density
dummy,
so
I
would
ask
that
you
reject
the
zoning
request
and
The
Landings
Amendment.
Thank
you.
F
E
E
E
Understand
me:
there's
gonna
be
two
cars,
apparently
other
than
that
develop
develop
it
the
way
you
bought
it
you
jumped
in
he
bought
it.
You
have
it
do.
What
is
that
important
I
mean
you
know,
tough
guy
tactics.
I'll.
Do
this
I'll
put
it
right
through
you
know:
shedder
you're
not
gonna.
Do
that
because
it's
not
cost
effective.
So
don't
threat
do
what
you
did
with
it.
You
bought
it.
A
A
Okay,
I
just
kind
of
like
to
ask
procedurally:
should
we
go
with
questions
to
the
applicant
and
then
open
another
public
hearing
or.
D
K
If
I
could
just
to
be
clear,
I
want
to
make
sure
that
word
that
the
app
is
given
time
for
rebuttal
in
the
context
of
both
applications
or
both
public
hearings.
So
I'm,
fine,
if
you
reopen,
if
you
have
a
public
hearing
for
the
land,
use
some
of
index,
but
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
when
I
am
given
the
opportunity
for
rebuttal
that
it
applies
to
both
applications,
I'm
not
going
to
say
the
same
thing
twice.
In
other
words,
oh
and
you
spend
the
application
understood.
A
So
so
do
you
want
to
ask
the
applicant
questions
now
and
then
we'll
open
the
public
hearing
or
any
other
comments?
Okay,
so
have
you
heard
that
questions
for
that
I'm,
closing
Landings
I.
K
K
E
K
New
information
I'll
do
my
best
to
limit
my
comments
anyway.
So
again,
Steve
even
out
just
very
broadly
and
I
really
want
to
address
the
very
last
comment.
First,
we're
not
we're
not
threatening
to
do
something
other
than
what
we're
trying
to
provide
context
to
the
applications.
So
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
to
demonstrate
that
there
are
other
options
available
and
our
other
option
available
and
the
one
that
I
really
want.
K
You
would
like
you
to
focus
on
and
think
about
is
the
third
line
down
here
in
this
application,
which
is
cc820
shopping,
plaza
40
to
150
000
square
feet
that
can
be
done
by
right
today
as
a
shopping
center,
and
this
property
is
going
to
be
developed
for
something
Adventure.
Landing
is
going
away
the
end
of
this
year.
The
release
is
expiring
and
my
financial
land
that
lease
is
not
going
to
be
renewed
and.
K
Venture
landing
and
yes,
if
we're
forced
to
play
the
hand
that
we're
double,
which
we
knew
my
client,
knew
when
he
bought
the
property,
then
it
will
be
developed
as
a
shopping
center,
because
the
property
is
not
going
to
stay
as
Adventureland.
So
just
by
comparison
and
again
for
context,
79
000
square
feet
of
Shopping,
Center
Plaza
leads
to
three
times
or
more
traffic
than
what's
being
proposed,
sick
and
again,
I'm,
not
threatening,
because
we've
really
much
rather
do
the
apartments
and
the
mixed
use
Community
rather
than
the
shopping
center.
K
Let's
continue,
though,
talking
about
traffic,
as
you
sit
in
a
quasi-judicial
position,
your
question
is
whether
or
not
there
was
competent,
substantial
evidence
to
support
the
applicant's
position
and
the
applicant
has
provided
an
application
that
includes
table
one
which
is
up
here
as
well
as
exhibit
J,
which
is
the
current
traffic
counts
on
Beach
Boulevard
from
fdmc.
Again,
not
our
numbers
they're
publicly
available
numbers
from
fdot,
and
it
shows
that
each
Boulevard
will
not
reach
capacity
even
in
2045,
with
current
projected
curriculum
so
for
the
next
25
years
or
24
years.
K
There's
not
going
to
be
an
over
capacity
situation
on
Beach
Boulevard,
based
on
Dot's
numbers
and
in
response
to
that
that
the
staff
report,
the
application,
the
data
from
table
one,
the
data
from
the
I.T
trip,
narration
manual,
the
data
from
fdot,
that's
confident,
substantial
evidence
in
support
of
our
position
and
the
response
has
been
what
what
courts
characterize
as
generalized
concerns
of
the
neighborhood.
Those
are
just
general
concerns
about
traffic
1.25
parking
spaces
is
Mr
Marsha's
best.
Yes,
two
parking
spaces
per
unit
is
Mr.
Joe's
I
can't
remember
his
condo
in
the
condos.
K
That's
his
best.
Yes,
by
the
way
we
are
providing
two
parking
spaces
per
unit,
because
that's
what?
Because
that's
what
code
provides?
That's
what
code
requires,
but
again
You've
Got,
Confidence,
substantial
evidence
regarding
traffic
versus
generalized
concerns,
and
so
as
a
person
in
a
closet,
judicial
position.
Your
job
is
to
determine
whether
or
not
the
common,
substantial
evidence
I
would
submit.
Outweighs
generalized
concerns
about
traffic,
we've
done
everything
in
accordance
with
the
Land
Development
code
and
that
and
the
comprehensive
plan,
as
confirmed
by
your
planning
director
and
your
professional
planning
staff.
K
You
need
a
traffic
study
now
they
may
require
an
operational
study
when
we
go
into
permitting
to
make
sure
that
the
traffic
signals
work
that
make
sure
that
the
turn
Lanes
work,
but,
in
terms
of
you
know
the
splits
how
many
cars
go
this
way
and
I'm
going
to
go
that
way
and
what
streets
they
filter
out
on.
That's
not
a
requirement
of
the
obligation.
The
requirement
of
the
application
is
to
show
that
there's
capacity
and
the
primary
road
that
we're
impacting
is
Beach
Boulevard.
How.
K
Operating
at
level
of
service
c
and
even
through
2045
there's
that
level
of
service
C
as
well
so
again,
traffic
to
me,
you
have
data
and
facts
versus
you
know
generalized
concerns,
so
each
roadway
is
measured,
a
b
c
d,
f,
a
b
c
d
e
f
and
you
you
get
to
F
and
that's
when
the
when
the,
when
the
road
is
failing
and
it's
over
capacity
and
it
that
is,
that
has
too
many
trips
too
many
cars
traveling
on
it
during
certain
periods
of
time,
and
it
can
be
measured
on
a
daily
basis
or
a
annulation.
K
Average
in
in
North
Florida,
a
C
Level
road
is
outstanding.
There
are
not
very
many
A
and
B
roads
in
North,
Florida,
C.
F
K
K
In
my
experience,
that
is
not
an
issue
level
surface
C
is
an
outstanding
ability
to
accommodate
additional
cars,
especially
when
you
consider
the
Alternatives
that
are
available
by
right,
because
by
right
we
cannot
even
more
cars,
which
there's
capacity
to
add
we're
actually
asking
to
put
fewer
cars
on
the
road
than
were
permitted
to
by
the
current
zoning
on
the
property.
So
we
believe
it's
a
not
only
able
to
be
accommodated
but
actually
a
benefit
because
there's
fewer
threats
you're
just
looking
at
trips,
though
that's
right,
because
when.
J
I
J
K
J
K
Or
daily
trips
or
PMP
power,
trips
or
amp
power
trips,
that's
how
traffic
is
measured
and
you
you
can.
You
can
go
out
and
count
cars
in
lots
of
different
ways
of
Traffic
Engineers
in
the
I.T
trip
generation.
Manual
recognizes
it
in
the
format
that's
presented
here
on
table
one.
That's
that's
just
how
it's
expressed!
That's!
Why
I
keep
talking
about
trips,
because
that's
how
it's
it's
thought
of
again,
you
haven't
received
any
data
from
the
neighbors,
for
example.
K
That
says
you
know
on
Thursday,
there's
10
000
cars,
but
Beach
Boulevard
only
allows
3
000.
we're
only
as
capacity
for
three
thousand.
That
would
be
maybe
fact-based
information,
but
but
you
don't
have
that
what
you
have
is
a
generalized
concern
about
traffic,
which
everyone
has
generalized
concerned
about
traffic,
and
so
what
we're
asking
you
to
do
is
look
at
the
data
and
the
information
that'll
be
provided
from
experts,
the
dot
and
the
IC
trip
generation
manual.
Is
we're
asking
you
to
base
your
decision
on
that
other
concerns?
K
Regarding
schools,
for
example,
we
gave
this
application
to
school
board,
so
Randy
Gallup
who's
in
school
who's,
the
head
of
at
the
time,
instead
of
concurrency
for
the
school
board,
the
school
board
didn't
have
any
comments
or
concerns
about
about
schools
or
kids,
and
that.
K
K
The
other,
the
other
information
you
know,
I,
would
say
regarding
regarding
public
use
again
remember
the
visual
Landing
is
not
a
public
use.
Natural
Landing
is
a
private
business
that
allows
private
people
when
they
pay
money
to
come
and
be
there.
So
the
notion
that
the
visual
Landing
is
a
is
a
public
use
is
not
exactly
accurate.
I
I
understand
what
Miss
Sawyer
was
saying,
but
you
have
to
remember
it's.
It
is
a
private
use.
After
all,
and
when
it
goes
away
a
different
product
use
would
go
there.
K
I
think
I'll
stop
there
for
now,
because
I
know
you
want
to
talk
a
little
bit
more
with
Miss
Ireland
about
about
traffic
and
we'll
talk
more
and
be
happiest.
Questions.
F
K
Don't
but
there
won't
be
again,
there
was
a
concern
I
think
regarding
Section
8
housing
from
the
Sawyer
River,
certainly
not
playing
in
Section
8.
However,
if
it's
important
to
this
board
that
we
hold
out
a
certain
number
of
units
for
a
Workforce
or
attainable
housing,
we're
prepared
to
talk
about
that,
and
so,
if
that's
something
that's
important
to
this
board,
then
we
have
an
idea
on
how
we
can
accomplish
that
in
order
to
make
sure
that
there
are
additional
units
available.
K
We're
prepared
to
talk
about
that
when
it
is
to
the
right
Drive
Point,
the
average
size
units
I,
think
the
code
requires
circumcise
units
for
one
two
or
three
bedrooms,
I
think
on
average
they're
about
800
or
850
square
feet.
On
average
there
will
be
a
majority
of
one
and
two
bedroom
units
very
few
three
bedroom
units.
We
don't
have
the
exact
mix
yet
because
we
haven't
gone
to
that
level
of
detail
in
the
in
the
interior
design,
but
yeah
the
the
sustainable
and
and
the
workforce.
K
K
They
generally
when
it's
put
on,
but
generally
what
happens
is
that
the
the
property
appraiser
takes
your
your
all-in
construction
costs
which
equals
for
your
building
permits,
and
then
he
puts
it
on
the
tax
rolls
about
85
percent
of
that
plus
land.
So.
K
K
I
think
that
we
don't
have
a
new
number
yet,
but
certainly
with
inflation
and
everything's
going
on
this
will
be
north
of
100
million
dollars
in
I.
Believe,
although
we
haven't
priced
it
yet
it'll
be
north
of
100
million
dollar
development
overall.
K
The
other
thing
that
I
want
to
make
sure
everyone
knew
too,
on
the
retail
space
that
we've
added,
we
also
advocated
20
dedicated
parking
spaces
for
the
retail
as
well,
which
comply
with
code.
So
everything
regarding
this
development
complies
with
your
zoning
category,
for
I
can't
remember
what
it's
called
R2
right.
So,
even
though
it's
being
done
as
a
PUD,
it's
being
done
that
way,
so
that
we
would
obligate
ourselves
into
retail,
so
we'd
obligate
ourselves,
so
the
boardwalk.
K
We
would
obligate
ourselves
to
the
open
space
and
then
we
anticipated
there
may
be
other
conditions,
such
as
a
viewing
area,
viewing
area.
There's
a
boardwalk
a
bit
different
yeah
I
call
it
a
dealing
platform,
but
there's
a
walkway
that
goes
down
to
the
newer
platform,
but
we
wanted
to
make
it
so
that
there
would
be
the
ability
to
add
conditions.
A
D
Yeah,
this
would
even
asked
correct
the
code
calls
for
you
know
how
many
basically
trips
are
going
to
be
generated
from
this
project.
We
certainly
don't
have
a
traffic
engineer
on
staff
with
the
city
that
could
do
any
further
analysis
or
or
data
generation
for
this.
If
we
wanted
to
get
into
it
deeper
like
where
are
all
those
trips
going,
for
example,
that
would
have
to
be
something
that's
done
by
either
the
applicant
or
a
third
party.
D
We
just
don't
have
that
in-house
capacity,
there's
a
lot
of
things
that
go
into
it
beyond
what
I
don't
I
and
I
can't
even
speak
to
it,
because
I'm
certainly
not
an
expert
in
traffic
so,
but
they
gave
us
what's
required
by
the
code
to
be
provided
for
a
project
of
this
type
in
regards
to
traffic
I
made
some
other
notes.
If
you
guys
don't
mind,
I
can
address
some
of
the
things
that
came
up
with
the
comments.
D
D
Students,
but
that
spread
out
among
all
the
all
of
the
available
schools.
So
they
look
at
that
total
number
and
they
look
at
the
capacity
for
each
school
and
they
have
a
certain
number.
They
can
go
above
based
on
classrooms
and
such
so.
Each
school
has
a
different
percentage
of
like
over
100,
for
example,
that
I
can
actually
accommodate.
D
D
There
was
a
question
about
security
and
and
stuff
for
the
tenants,
that's
operational,
so
I
would
defer
to
Mr
Diva.
Now,
if
there's
further
questions
on
that.
D
We
don't
have
any
requirements
for
the
provision
of
currently
have
no
requirements
for
the
provision
of
any
low,
low
income,
housing
or
elderly.
As
far
as
like
requiring
that
to
be
done.
Obviously
it's
it's
an
incense.
You
mentioned
people
willing
to
discuss
and
I
think
that
covers
all
the
comments
and
again
I'll
be
happy
to
answer
any
further
questions
that
you
guys
have
for
me.
D
Yes,
ma'am
when
you
guys
were
working
working
this
through,
and
we
talk
about
all
the
terrible
oil
that
those
two
dirt
and
gravel
parking
lots
will
no
longer
contribute
to
the
conservation
lands
to.
C
The
South
I
think
it
looks
to
me
like
a
slope,
is
to
the
South,
and
now,
where
is
the
parking
lot.
K
Yeah
so
that
so
the
proposed
the
proposed
drainage
from
the
pond
there
also
discharges
into
the
intercoastal.
The
difference,
though,
is
that
the
water
that
goes
into
that
pond
settles
and
whatever
chemicals
and
whatever
things
that
are
in
the
water
will
settle
before
it's
discharged
into
the
out
into
the
into
the
marshalling
or
Postal
there.
K
Today,
the
way
the
the
gravel
parking
lots
are
constructed,
they're
kind
of
like
poles
with
the
parking
around
the
sides
and
there's
a
hole
and
then
there's
a
drain
right
in
the
middle
of
the
hole,
and
that
drain
has
a
pipe
that
goes
straight
out
into
the
straight
out
into
the.
This
is
an
improvement.
Absolutely
I
was
speaking
with
the
chief
resiliency
officer
for
the
State
of
Florida
Dr
West
Brooks
the
other
day,
and
actually
how
that
works
is
the
vegetation
around
there
absorbs
a
lot
it
doesn't
and
the
other.
K
The
other
thing
that's
great
about
this
is
the
pond,
because
it's
closer
to
the
water.
It's
also
the
preferred
location.
Sometimes
you'll
see
the
Retention
Ponds
up
near
the
street
and
what
happens
is
you've
got
a
lot
of
additional
runoff
into
the
system
itself.
That's
not
treated,
and
so
this
is
an
ideal
location
for
the
pond.
It's
the
best
solution.
That
is
a
good
place.
F
K
The
302
studies
about
information
that
we
did
in
Jay
to
the
to
the
resigning
application.
K
So
it's
it's
pages
on
the
very
back.
It's
after
the
after
the
site
plan.
Is
this
spreadsheet
here,
and
it
goes
on
for
a
few
pages.
E
So,
just
to
that
point,
it's
not
at
that
point.
We're
traffic
estimates
and
confidence
versus
generalized
concerns.
I
understand
that
the
only
requirement
is
each
Boulevard
traffic.
However,
generalized
concerns
should
lead
to
Gathering
of
companies
right
so
I.
E
Don't
believe
that
we
have
a
complete
picture
of
how
this
is
actually
going
to
affects
specifically
pen
memory,
but
also
point
out
that
in
A1A,
that
is,
is
one
road
that
is
based
on
current
projections
and
we've
already
established
that
we've
gone
past
our
current
projections
and
when
it
comes
to
so
my
concern
on
this
is
that
no
matter
how
you
slice
it,
the
traffic
information
is.
F
K
Right
so
again,
respectfully
that
1.9
miles
probably
starts
at
the
base
of
the
our
Coastal
Bridge
Which
is
less
the
base
of
the
bridge
and
goes
east,
because
they're
not
going
to
make
the
link
go
all
the
way
west
of
the
okay.
So
it
takes
into
account.
The
majority
of
the
link
is
moving
East
towards
towards
the
ocean.
K
K
It
right
well
sure
you
can
vote.
However,
you
see
kids
exactly
of
course,
but
what
I
would
ask
you
to
do
is
to
follow
the
code
and
follow
the
rules
and
and
follow
the
information
you
have
before
you
know,
for
example,
your
comment
about
A1A
being
over
capacity,
there's
nothing
in
the
record
that
shows
that.
E
My
comment
specifically
was
that
it's
a
projection
for
being,
and
we've
already
established,
that
we
are
not
anywhere
near
our
projections
at
this.
At
this
point,
right
and
I
agree
with
you,
you
are
only
required
to
present
what
is
required
right.
It's
this
commission's
job
to
see
if
we
need
the
comprehensive
plan
and
things
that
are
not
necessarily
strictly,
they
could
affect
traffic
and
not
strictly
required
by
or
out
right.
That's,
which
is
not
your
fault,
which
and
I'm
not
complain.
E
K
F
Chicago
to
the
bottom
of
the
bridge
pass
and
Angie's,
maybe,
instead
of
just
doing
a
condition,
basically
getting
your
permit,
maybe
you
could
come
back
and
do
a
further
Echo
fdot
study
for
us
showing
us.
What
are
you
going
to
bring
one
of
your
editors
as
far
as
you
see
rating
as
far
as
how
long
it
is
because
it's
not
doing
the
Jacksonville
Beach
a
study
of
traffic
and
I,
don't
know
if
you
live
here
or
not,
but
the
residents
that
people
live
here
understand
that
you
building.
This
is
their
concerns.
K
So
our
just
again,
let
me
just
remind
you,
the
developers,
businesses
here
in
Jacksonville
Beach.
He
has
employees
that
live
in
Jacksonville,
Beach
I,
don't
personally
live
in
Jacksonville
Beach,
but
I
fully
appreciate
it
and
understand
the
concern
out
of
this
street
that
I
drive
on
routinely
so
I
understand
the
concerns.
K
I
would
just
say
that
I
submit
respectfully,
as
we've
done,
was
required
of
us
and
that
if
you
require
or
desire
additional
information,
any
of
them
will
get
to
work
on
it.
K
J
K
I
K
Water
Management
District
permit
reviewer
was
very
enthusiastic
about
it.
Her
advice
was
that
the
that
the
boardwalk
be
located
a
little
bit
further
east
that
did
not
have
a
canoe
launch
or
kayak
lunch
because
she
felt
like
the
late
blink
of
blocking
down
Shadows
too
far
to
you
know
the
ferry
about
out.
There
is
a
little
over
a
third
of
a
mile
to
get
out
to
the
water.
K
So
excuse
me
she
was
more
interested
in
a
viewing
platform
and
maybe
a
place
where
kayaks
could
tie
up
from
the
water
rather
than
coming
in
off
the
land.
We
had
neighborhood
meetings
with
we've
met
with
and
talked
to
and
I
think
it's
interesting
that
you
know
other
than
the
two
folks
on
Hobson
road
we've
talked
to
everybody
else.
We've
reached
out
to
the
HOAs
in
the
area
we've
met
with
them
to
the
South.
K
We've
met
with
the
discovery
school
with
Taco
Lou,
with
the
church
to
the
West
Beach
Marine
across
the
street,
the
townhome
neighborhood.
That's
underneath
Beach
Boulevard,
underneath
the
bridge
we've
made
ourselves
available
and
discuss
it
with
everyone.
What
happened
in
the
instance
of
the
of
the
of
the
boardwalk
is
that
there
was
enough
opposition
from
the
neighborhood
that
we
felt
like
it
really
wasn't
our
fight.
K
So
what
we
are
doing
is
we're
proposing
that
we
will
do
our
part
and
that
if
the
city
decides
they
want
to
build
a
boardwalk
down,
shutter
and
connect
to
us.
We
will
accommodate
the
connection
and
and
we'll
even
contribute
to
the
cost
of
doing
that,
as
well
as
provide
an
easement
for
that
Boardwalk.
That
will
cross
our
property.
But
if
we
had
proposed
that
today
our
fear
was
that
we
would
be
having
a
weeks-long
discussion
about
a
boardwalk
that
really
was
not
ours
to
propose.
K
It
really
was
up
to
the
city
and
so
we're
willing
to
make
the
connection
we're
willing
to
accommodate
it,
we'll
even
pay
and
contribute
to
it
as
well
as
get
an
easement
for
it.
But
but
we
didn't
include
it
in
our
application,
because
there
were
enough
folks
that
lived
on
that
street
near
Discovery
School,
but
did
not
want
that
connection
to
resist.
K
J
K
Yeah,
that's
that's
right.
Everyone
in
that
neighborhood
generally
that
we've
spoken
with
we've
addressed
all
the
concerns
that
we
never
go
to
us.
I
mean
there
are
other
things
in
this
application
that
we're
based
on
me
because
we
have
the
community
as
well,
but
anyway,
future
yeah.
E
K
E
I
had
just
two
other
concerns
on
this
group
of
men
who
won
an
interesting
time
here
right.
It
really
evolves
around
what
I
asked
for,
which
is
the
seven
six
acres
of
recreational
open
use,
space
right
and
that
kind
of
dovetails
into
the
planned
new
development
of
creative
uses.
If
you
go
for
it
right,
I
do
not
I
do
not
do
recreational
open
space
and
conservation
as
equal,
correct
now,
concentration,
I,
applaudible.
E
My
concern
is:
is
that
there's
not
enough
of
a
mixed
use
for
it?
It's
much
more
of
a
District
apartment,
complex
which
I
understand
is
what
you'd
like
to
do,
but
there's
not
500
or
5000
square
feet,
not
really
that
and
20.
You
know
parking
spaces,
not
that
big
and
other
mixed
use,
but
the
other
part
here
is
recreational
open
space
which
contemplates
kind
of
benefit
to
the
public.
E
On
that
and
I
don't
know
this
is
the
most
dangerous
part
of
your
argument
for
me
that
it
actually
meets
the
requirements
in
our
conference
is
going
to
allow
the
change
of
direct
conventional
organization
to
anything
else
unless
there's
something
of
the
same
size
substantially
the
same
size
within
here
right.
K
So,
first
of
all,
I
appreciate
your
concern.
Two
responses
number
one:
if
that's
not
how
the
conference
is
playing
abuse
it
but
I
understand
your
position
if
you're
concerned
about
that,
then
change
all
the
partial
eight
to
Recreation
and
open
space,
because
we
are
only
changing
into
conservation,
because
that
seemed
like
the
most
logical
that
seemed
like
the
most
logical
category
for
us
there,
but
it's.
It
is
a
it's.
K
K
That,
when
you're
standing
on
the
healing
platform,
you're
going
to
be
able
to
see
all
38,
there's
all
38
acres
located
in
the
South
that
that
is
Recreation
open
space.
So
the
third
point
I
would
make.
Is
the
recreation
open
space
that
you're
talking
about
today?
That's
being
converted
has
car
sparked
on
it?
I
agree.
K
E
Right,
it's
private
property
you're
within
your
license
development,
in
accordance
with
it
right,
okay,
I'm,
just
asking,
if
there's
any
way
to
something
that
is
more
than
just
a
boardwalk
or
a
viewing
area.
K
We
support
the
connection
to
show
so
if,
if
that
were
important,
that's
something
that
we
would
work
on,
because
that
would,
although
it's
not
complete
The
Pedestrian
plan
for
Jax
Beach
and
we
have
finalized
it
contemplates
a
connection
from
shutter
all
the
way
to
the
beach,
and
we
would
love
that.
So
us
allowing
the
connection
for
folks
to
go
from
the
beach
down
shutter
onto
the
property
and
go
to
the
property
or
go
drop
a
kayak
or
avoid
Beach
Boulevard
altogether
and
go
over
the
bridge.
We.
E
K
Support
that,
and
so
we
we
believe,
that's
making
that
connection
available,
which
is
another
benefit,
because
otherwise
the
city
would
have
to
pay
for
the
connection
they
would
have
to
acquire
these
with
from
us.
We're
offering
all
of
that
at
the
cost,
which
again
is
another
benefit
so
that
to
the
community,
although
it
hasn't
been
acted
on
yet
by
the
city.
It's
available.
F
D
F
F
D
J
D
Density,
residential
or
conservation
I
will
point
out
that
in
the
conservation
land
use
category
of
a
boardwalk
or
something
like
that
is
permitted,
so
it
doesn't
have
to
be
Recreation
open
space
to
allow
some
kind
of
access.
The
reason
the
brakes
were
kind
of
Pumped,
if
you
will
on
that
topic,
is
I.
Think
Mr
Diva
now
mentioned
city
council
hasn't
yet
approved
the
final
Urban
Trails
master
plan.
It's
it's
almost
done.
It's
going
to
go
before
them
very
soon,
that's
being
directed
by
the
parks
department.
D
They
haven't
been
looped
into
into
this
discussion
yet
either
and
the
workshops
we
had
and
the
discussions
we
had
in
Council.
You
know
they
weren't
really
willing
to
really
fully
commit
to
it.
Yet
without
some
pieces
of
the
puzzle
being
put
in
place
so
Urban
Trail's
master
plan.
Again,
it's
not
budgeted
for
you
have
engaged
the
parks
department.
Yet.
J
D
I,
don't
think
it's
off
the
table
completely,
but
we
have
to
have
a
lot
more
discussions
before
the
participation
of
the
city
is
engaged
for
some
type
of
Boardwalk,
potentially
down
shutter,
because
as
he
mentioned,
we
did
get
a
lot
of
people
come
out
from
the
neighborhood
and
said
they
don't
want
anything
like
that.
So
we
obviously
have
to
have
a
lot
more
discussions
before
we
proceed.
I
F
A
E
A
Discussion
as
to
whether
it
should
be
conservation
or
recreational
open
space
language
category,
so
with
that,
does
the
city
have
a
position
on
whether
if
I
understood
that
correctly,
would
the
city
have
a
decision
on
whether
conservation
is
better
than
recreational
open
space
for
possible.
D
D
D
So
current,
currently
two
four
and
five
are
Recreation
open
space
I'll
point
out
that
kind
of
this
dividing
line
here
prior
to
90
I
think
it
was
99
and
97.
This
half
over
here
was
low
density
residential
contiguous
to
this,
and
this
whole
portion
over
here,
including
six
and
seven,
were
high
density
residential
prior
to
Adventure
Landing,
changing
the
land
use
and
Zoning
to
accommodate
their
two
gravel
parking
areas.
D
So
those
those
are
the
current
open
space.
These
would
be
the
proposed
Recreation,
open
space
and
again
open
space
is
the
intent
for
these
properties,
not
necessarily
public
Recreation,
because
they're,
not
public
Recreation.
Now,
as
was
mentioned,
the
parking
lots
for
a
private
commercial
use,
and
then
all
of
this
down
this
is
our
parcel.
6R8
is
already
conservation
parcel
ate
in
its
entirety.
With
this
proposed
change
would
be
conservation,
but
again
the
boardwalk
would
be,
in
theory,
permitted
per
the
cop
plan,
whether
it's
conservation
or
recognition
space.
K
And
then
all
of
eight,
except
there's
right
in
here,
there's
about
a
third
of
an
acre
or
so
that
it's
not
part
of
the
conservation.
Isn't
it
seven
is
not
part
of
the
concentration
so,
but
essentially
it's
all
of
six.
Ninety
percent
of
eight
yeah,
probably
95.
and
there's
St
John's
Water
Management
yeah
they're,
two
different
they're,
two
different
easements,
so
they
so
again
same
restrictions,
just
different
memories,
they're
different
restrictions
and
different
boundaries.
K
We
had
originally
approached
a
proposed.
The
Water
Management
District
that
we
have
a
our
Boardwalk,
our
Gene
platform
or
Boardwalk
come
off
of
this
through
eight.
Their
actual
idea
was
to
have
it
run
down
six
because
it
had.
There
was
more
Uplands
in
here
where
it
would
be
easier
to
put
a
boardwalk,
wouldn't
impact
the
environment
as
much
so
their
actual
idea
was
to
bring
the
boardwalk
here
and
connect
the
shutter
right
in
this
area
either
way.
K
E
K
Other
thing
that
I
wanted
to
mention
too
about
the
land
use
here
and
you
know,
could
we
change
it
to
meeting
this
residential
or
commercial
or
any
of
that
stuff?
The
the
my
point
in
that
was
not
saying
what
we
would
use
it
for
later.
My
point
was
that
if
we
change
it
this
way
just
like
they
did
with
parcel
6.,
this
used
to
be
all
high
density
residential
now,
in
order
to
for
us
to
change
it,
there
has
to
be
a
public
meeting,
and
everybody
gets
noticed
under
this
scenario
today.
K
If
we
wanted
to
develop
this,
we
could
go
get
this
conservation,
easement
changed
without
a
bunch
of
notice
and
without
a
bunch
of
public
hearings,
so
our
proposal
or
I.
What
we're
submitting
is
that
this
protects
the
public
better
than
that
from
future
development,
parsley
well
forever,
because
once
you
change
the
land,
you
saw
it,
you
can't
build
it
without
changing
the
land
use
and
the
signs.
K
K
He
had
a
plan
to
develop
about
two
acres
right
here.
He
was
going
to
build
his
own
home
and
it
is
feasible.
It
was
feasible
for
him
to
build
a
house
and
build
this
road,
and
we
talked
him
out
of
that,
so
that
we
could
buy
the
property.
So
when
you're
thinking
about
probably
not
going
to
be
a
subdivision,
probably
not
going
to
have
all
18
Acres
developed,
but
there's
a
really
nice
seven
acre
piece
right
here,
that's
available
and
at
some
price
and
some
time
it's
it's
a
feasible
project.
K
F
E
K
No
and
and
Mr
Lawrence
Point
earlier,
even
if
we
go
a
shopping
center
or
whatever,
on
parcel
one
up
here
under
the
current
Zone,
we're
not
going
to
develop
this
we're
not
if.
C
K
Attention
Okay
I'm
still
confused,
though
how
did
you
talk
and
breathe
forth
yeah,
so
they
love
to
activate
their
land,
so
the
land
that
they
have
on
one
of
the
permanent
reviewers
down
to
come
eat
with
us
on
site?
K
Can
we
all
put
our
boots
on
and
we
walked
out
into
the
marsh
so
and
we
shot
GPS
coordinates
on
where
the
most
likely
locations
were
for
for
a
for
a
boardwalk
or
a
viewing
platform,
and
that's
entirely
consistent
with
their
with
their
mission,
but
listen
to
low
density
residential,
it's
very
much
different
from
locals,
and
they
and
they
in
fact.
Well
anyway,
we
have.
K
A
Other
questions,
I
do
have
one
more
question
for
the
planners.
Mr
do
you
know
mentioned
the
idea
of
doing
a
traffic
analysis
that
would
look
more
at
I,
guess
where
cars
are
coming
from
going
to
a
supportive
Community
permitting
stage.
We've
had
something
that
the.
C
City
would
benefit
from
potentially
the
major
concerns
that
I've
heard
were
related
to
each
one
of
our
third
and
Penman,
none
of
which
are
roads
that
are
owned
or
maintained
by
the
city
in
order
to
be
maintain
the
traffic
levels
on
those
and
then
there's
the
city
of
Jacksonville
third
and
the
triple
dot.
C
So
even
if
we
get
a
impact
analysis
on
those
streets,
the
odds
are
that
the
results
of
that
would
be
dot
is
going
to
say
either
there
is
capacity
or
there
will
be
when
they
do
some
project,
depending
is
an
example.
If
you're
aware
is
going
through
a
rehabilitation
and
multimodal
Transportation
traffic
coming
bunch
of
other
things
that
may
in
fact
lower
its
trips
depending
on
how
it
comes
out,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day,
I,
don't
think
that's
going
to
have
much
impact
on
anything
that
we
can.
C
It
may
be
able
to
look
at
some
of
the
what
we
consider
residential
streets
and
other
major
collectors
or
arterials,
but
typically
most
of
your
traffic
flows
on
the
big
streets.
So
the
impacts
are
going
to
be
predominantly
industries
that
aren't
ours
again,
I,
don't
know.
C
If
there's
necessarily
a
benefit
to
that,
because
at
the
end
of
the
day,
it's
not
something
that
we
can
engineer
or
contribute
to
so
I
will
say
that
the
ADT
process
they
have
daily
trips,
the
fundamental
logic
that's
used
in
that
is
a
standard
for
development
throughout
the
state.
It
is
what's
in
our
comp
plan
and
every
other
comp
plan
and
the
reason
is,
it
is
generally
accepted
to
roughly
predict
the
impact,
there's
nothing
other
than
putting
GPS's
on
cars,
to
really
understand.
C
What's
going
to
happen
to
the
cars
that
are
there,
some
people
may
work
in
Downtown
Jacksonville.
Some
people
may
work
here,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day,
if
it's
something
that
this
board
thinks
is
important
without
doing
the
study,
we
really
can't
say
what
the
benefit
would
be,
but
it's
something
that
we
could
require
at
the
development
stage
during
the
development
review
process,
which
is
when
all
the
various
utilities
and
City
agencies
get
together
review
the
projects
for
compliance
with
store
water
standards
and
Public.
E
A
I
explained
development
understood
that
we
do
need
to
open,
I,
guess
close
to
public
hearing
and
then
open
to
help
carrying
specific
to
Planning
Development
as
well,
but
the
other
potential
condition
that
I
believe
I've
heard
was
something
about
Whirlpool
housing.
And
so
we
as
I
appreciative-
and
we
may
want
to
think
about
that
so
I'm-
going
to
I'm
going
to
suggest
that
we
and
saying
you
do
need
to
tell
me
if
I'm
doing
this
wrong.
A
But
I
propose
to
close
this
public
hearing
and
then
open
it
again
specific
to
the
planning
into
development.
K
If
you
close,
the
public
hearing
on
the
land,
use
Madam
chair
and
reopen
it
for
the
rezoning
I
just
want
to,
let
you
know
I'm
not
going
to
say
anything
new,
so
I'm
not
going
to
go
first
on
the
rezone.
So
if
you
want
to
go
straight
to
cards
or
comments,
then
that'll
be
fine
and
I'll
go
about
it
again.
To
save
time,
I'm
not
going
to
repeat
myself
on
the
rezoning
application.
A
A
So
if
it's
okay
with
my
fellow
Commissioners,
that's
what
I'm
supposed
to
do
is
Mr
TV,
now
I
believe
it's
not
going
to
be
giving
us
any
additional
information,
because
we've
kind
of
dealt
with
both
issues
together.
But,
having
said
that,
I'm
going
to
open
the
public
hearing
specific
to.
A
Sorry
PC
1321
to
see
if
there's
any
members
of
the
public
who
would
like
to
address
us
specific
to
that
item.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
it
has
their
opportunity.
A
F
F
K
But
I'm
not
going
to
give
a
presentation
again
because
my
presentation
was
covered
the
first
summer,
but
if
there
are
new
issues
brought
up
that
are
identified
in
the
next
few
speakers
and
I
would
ask
you
to
have
the
opportunity
to
rebut
them:
okay,
okay!
But
if
it's
the
same
conversation,
I'm
not
going
to
be
able
to
have
the
same
conversation
again.
Okay,.
E
So
sorry,
but.
A
Yes,
we
were
welcome
if
there
are
members
of
the
Republic
who
have
speaker
cars
in
it
or
want
to
put
you
to
speak
apart
for
the
second
public
hearing
on
the
planning
developments,
PC
1321,
I've,.
E
I
I
So
it's
just
a
little
bit
like
I'm
we're
throwing
stuff
at
the
wall
to
see.
If
we
can
get
you
to
buy
off
on
it.
The
public
schools
in
the
capacity
I
think
you
should
better
look
into
that.
Does
this
mean
straight?
The
kids
might
get
shifted
to
other
schools
different
capacity,
you
know
capacity
is
the
thing.
Is
it?
Is
it
moving
kids
between
schools
at
the
beach
or
is
it
moving
kids
across
the
bridge
to
other
schools?
I
I
You
can
submit
the
minimum
to
you
guys,
but
I,
don't
think
you,
you
know
you
should
demand
more
of
it
if
you
can
or
if
it
helps
convince
you
with
it,
you
should
at
least
acknowledge
that
bringing
more
about
traffic
when
it's
the
number
one
issue
would
be
better
to
try
and
get
this
thing
passed
again,
just
because
it's
timely
with
a
hurricane
we're,
adding
more
people
that
would
definitely
have
to
evacuate.
I
I,
don't
know
if
we
do
any
sort
of
assessment
as
far
as
how
would
this
affect
places
for
people
to
evacuate
or
centers
of
evacuation,
but
just
all
these
things
could
be
taken
into
consideration
with
your
decision.
Thank
you
again,
thank
you
and
just
a
comment.
E
On
that
on
his
comment,
it
wasn't
disingenuous
to
bring
it
up
about
Workforce
housing
because
Mr
deep,
not
brought
it
up.
We
didn't
bring
it
up.
I
apologize.
E
My
perspective,
I,
don't
want
this
to
become
a
strip
to
development.
The
opportunities
that
are
presented
to
us
by
this
developer
are
very
unique
and
I
think
we
need
the
opportunity
to
really
work
with
them
to
make
it
a
win-win
situation
for
all
of
us
win
for
the
city,
a
win
for
the
developer.
This
is
the
only
way
we're
going
to
get
something
done
at
a
very
important
intersection
within
this
city.
When
you
come
across
that
bridge,
somehow
it
needs
to
say
you're
in
Jack's
Beach
at
the
moment.
E
He's
made
significant
changes
and
improvements.
Are
they
a
hundred
percent?
What
we
want?
No
I,
don't
believe
so,
but
you've
got
somebody
who's
willing
to
spend
millions
of
dollars
to
put
in
a
development
that
could
speak
well
for
the
city.
So
we
need
the
opportunity
to
work
with
him
further
to
get
something
that
really.
E
E
Yes,
maybe
there's
a
few
more
questions
that
need
to
be
answered
if
they're
in
reference
to
traffic,
we
can
ask
for
that
information,
but
let's
make
it
a
productive
conversation
and
move
in
the
right
direction.
The
one
thing
I
would
ask
of
the
developer
is
that
we
focus
so
much
on
the
back
end.
What
about
the
front
side
of
all
of
this
along
Beach
Boulevard?
To
me?
Unfortunately,
it's
a
lot
of
asphalt
and
it'd
be
nice
to
see
something
more
than
asphalt
along
the
major
road.
E
As
you
come
into
jazz
speech,
there
are
existing
trees
that
occur
on
the
left
side
of
the
entrance
into
Adventure
Landing.
There
are
some
beautiful,
existing
libelts,
some
big
old
trees.
We
ought
to
save
those
streets
and
work
around
them,
integrate
that
into
the
development
and
make
it
something
that
we're
very
proud
of.
We've
got
an
opportunity
here,
let's
make
it
work
for
all
of
us.
Thank
you.
G
I,
just
couldn't
possibly
sit
here
for
over
two
hours
and
not
stand
before
you
and
clearly
State
how
much
I
oppose
this
entire
plan
and
that
I
urge
you
all
to
really
put
the
our
best
interest
as
Citizens
into
whether
or
not
you
allow
the
rezoning
to
occur.
The
current
zoning,
as
it
sits,
actually
does
get
something
to
the
community.
G
Think
that's
one
of
the
biggest
things
we
want
in
our
community
and
that
what
the
people
who
live
here,
keep
saying
is
we
want
family
friendly,
I
was
born
and
raised
here
and
so
growing
up
here
is
the
kid
and
raising
my
own
kids
here
I
understand
how
pedestrian
safety
bicycle
safety.
These
are
all
important
things.
How
is
allowing
600
or
700
more
vehicles
in
our
Beach
Community
going
to
continue
to
keep
our
community
and
our
kids
safe?
I?
G
Don't
know
if
you
all
have
kids
but
I
have
one
and
he
rides
his
bike
from
Atlanta
Beach
State
Park
to
Jacksonville
Beach
skate
park
all
day,
long
and
Crossing
9th
at
beach
right.
There
I
mean
I'm
thankful
that
we
have
that
crosswalk
and
hope
he's
using
it,
but
these
kids
are
doing
that
all
day.
Long
and
I.
G
G
G
I
don't
know
too
many
residents
that
are
going
to
do
that
and
then
again
I
would
just
say:
I,
don't
know
what
would
keep
them
from
going
back
years
down
the
road
when
maybe
none
of
us
are
even
here
and
developing
parcel
8.?
If
we
start
getting
little
by
little
by
little,
then
we've
given
it
all
and
we
might
as
well
just
give
it
all
and
I
think
we're
going
to
have
a
lot
of
upset
people
in
the
community.
I
wish
these
meetings
were
at
five
o'clock.
G
B
B
G
G
This
gentleman
spoke,
and
he
said
that
his
concern
was
the
development,
and
that
is
his
concern.
Ing
because
that's
what
he's
here
to
represent
Our
concern
and
your
concern
needs
to
be
the
community.
Not
the
development
and
I
have
a
specific
project,
because
this
project,
as
people
said,
is
not
being
built
in
a
vacuum.
G
So
you
have
to
consider
the
impact
of
this
project
on
the
city,
along
with
every
other
project.
That's
being
proposed
to
you,
because
that's
how
it
impacts
us.
The
people
who
live
here.
The
other
thing
is,
he
keeps
talking
that
this
project
applies
with
the
zoning
and
it
doesn't
it
complies
with
the
zoning
he
is
requesting.
It
does
not
comply
with
its
owning.
He
bought
the
property.
G
Yeah
I
don't
know
where
he
got
that
statistic
on
the
children
because
he
stood
here
and
he
said
they
don't
know
how
many
won
two
or
three
bedroom
apartments
they're
building.
Yet
so,
if
they
don't
know
how
many
one
two
three
bedroom
apartments,
how
can
they
even
project
how
many
children
are
going
to
be
in
this
project
to
go
to
these
schools
if
they
built
all
one
bedroom
apartments,
you're
not
going
to
have
any
children
if
they
build
all
three
bedroom
apartments,
you
might
have
a
ton
of
kids.
So
that's
a
focus.
G
B
J
J
If
we
do
have
a
responsibility
on
according
to
that
piece
of
our
comp
plan,
that
says:
can
these
additional
cars
be
taken
on
on
all
our
roads
and
we
don't
have
all
the
data
to
support
that
now?
I
do
believe
that
it
passed
all
the
check
marks
for
the
planning
department.
I
think
the
developer
did
what
he
needed
to
do,
but
in
spite
of
that
it
doesn't
answer
the
question
in
a
back-based
manner
can
all
of
our
represented
and
Christian
it's
not
just
Third,
Street
or
Penman.
It's
also
South
Beach
Parkway,
9th
Street.
J
Okay,
those
are
our
north
south
corridors
and
we
don't
have
the
answer
to
that
and
and
if
we
ask
for
a
study,
we
can't
assume
what
the
study
is
going
to
tell
us
until
in
that
factually
we
have
to
know-
and
that's
something
we
should
know
before
you
vote
now-
I
agree
with
Gary
paytown.
It
says
we
need
to
work
with
the
developer.
I
think
he's
absolutely
right.
A
year
ago
we
had
the
workshops
and
myself
and
many
other
residents
said,
look
traffic's
an
issue
we
should.
J
J
However,
Gary's
also
right,
this
is
a
key
piece
to
Jack's
speech
and
we
need
to
get
this
right
and
I
mean
get
it
right.
So
let's
do
our
due
diligence.
Let's
get
our
facts
because
that's
what
this
is
all
about.
This
is
all
about.
What
is
the
data
telling
us
and
then
I
asked
the
question?
Can
we
say
factually
that
I'm
not
going
to
be
sitting
in
traffic,
bringing
my
kids
to
school
or
going
to
the
grocery
store?
J
If
all
you
guys
can
tell
me
that
the
developer
can
tell
me
that
Heather
and
her
group
can
tell
me
that
I'm
good
to
go
with
that.
Do
I
think
there's
other
things.
I'd
rather
see
absolutely
there.
It
is,
and
Steve
knows
all
about
those
things,
but
that's
not
what
I'm
up
here
talking
about
talking
about
te1
and
I'm
talking
about
lu1,
which
means
the
quality
of
life
for
the
residents.
Thank
you.
I
I
I
would
just
like
to
say
that,
as
part
of
the
Planning
Commission,
they
brought
up
the
point
that
he
had
to
come
to
Heather's
office
to
get
a
copy
of
the
package
had
four
days
to
review.
It
spend
some
of
his
weekend.
Some
Colleen's
questions
led
me
to
believe
that
there's
so
much
material
here
that
you
maybe
didn't
have
enough
time
to
review
at
all.
With
these
questions
here,
I.
Rarely
think
that
this
is
important
enough,
that
you
know
you
don't
make
a
hasty
decision
and
that
you
do
represent
the
citizens
on
both
sides.
I
Mr
David
now
has
done
a
fantastic
job,
they've
modified
things,
and
you
know
as
a
direct
neighbor
to
this
project.
I
do
absolutely
work
with
him,
because
you
know
they're
trying
to
make
it
right,
but
answer
the
questions
for
the
citizens.
They
don't
don't
just
make
a
hasty
decisions
to
push
it
on
through.
Thank
you.
E
A
There
anyone
else
you'd
like
to
address
us
anymore.
J
J
J
Well,
this
is
what's
going
to
happen
to
this
place,
to
make
room
for
this
place,
you
know,
and
then
maybe
we
can
kind
of
vision
it
better,
but
right
now,
I
just
feel
like
a
lot
of
us
are
just
so
tied
to
what's
already
there
that
it's
hard
for
us
to
open
up
to
any
of
this
idea
and
so
we're
picking
it
apart
and
trying
to
find
out
what's
wrong
with
it.
What
can
we
do
to
stop
it
all
these
things?
When
really
it's
you
know,
save
Adventure
Landing,
you
know.
J
Is
there
a
place
in
another
place?
We
can
put
it.
We
have
to
support
the
community
by
keeping
that
place
going
period
like
everyone
loves
it.
Everyone's,
like
I,
said
tied
to
it
emotionally
physically,
it
creates
jobs
for
people.
You
know
lots
of
people
rely
on
that
place
for
many
different
things,
like
someone's
saying
that
even
just
the
kids
birthday
parties,
how
many
young
couples
started
their
relationship
and
now
they're
married
years
later,
because
they
had
a
little
mini
golf.
E
B
E
J
E
K
Thank
you.
I
just
want
to
address
a
couple
of
things
that
were
new
first
of
all,
Mr
Lewis.
Can
it's
amazing
what
people
think
about?
It's
really
a
good
point.
He
asked
about
hurricane
evacuations,
so
there's
this
thing
called
the
coastal
High
Hazard,
which
is
located
just
to
the
south
of
this
property
and
comes
up
just
right
at
the
nub,
underneath
the
work
partial
to
there.
K
So
we
have
to
stay
out
of
that,
even
though
the
coastal
Hazard
comes
slightly
onto
our
property
that
ensures
that
we
don't
increase
the
density
of
land,
that's
in
the
coastal
High
Hazard
area,
so
there's
actually
a
hurricane
policy
intercomprehensive
plan
that
we
comply
with
to
make
sure
that
hurricane
evacuation
concerns
are
dealt
with.
Secondly,
the
number
of
kids
in
school.
So
what
you
do
is
you
send
the
number
of
apartment
units
to
the
school
board?
They
have
a
formula
that
that
counts.
How
many
kids?
K
It's
not
only
105
in
the
same
school
there's
also
105
kids
across
all
grades,
and
then
they
filter
that
out
across
all
the
schools,
public,
private
Charter,
and
then
they
look
and
they
see
what
their
capacity
is.
That's
the
process
that
we
followed.
We
didn't
make
up
the
105
number
that
came
from
the
school
board,
affordable
housing.
It
came
up.
Imagine
if
we
had
proposed
this
as
an
affordable
housing
project
or
imagine
if
we
had
proposed
that
30
percent
of
the
units
would
be
affordable.
K
K
Rents
that
will
exceed
probably
22
50
2400
a
month
and
we're
saying
that
we
will
also
do
a
certain
number
of
units
that
are
affordable.
That's
a
that's,
a
logical
continuation
of
the
discussion.
This
isn't
something
that
came
up
at
the
last
minute.
This
is
something
that
came
up
out
of
conversations
with
people
in
the
community
people
in
the
neighborhood.
We
spoke
with
some
of
the
elected
officials.
They
shared
their
concerns
with
me,
and
so
that's
where
that
idea
came
from
this,
isn't
a
last
minute
idea.
K
Mr
Patel
had
a
great
idea
that
he
shared
with
me
previously
about
the
trees
along
Beach
Boulevard.
If
there's
a
way
what
you're
seeing
in
the
renderings,
there
is
conceptual,
it's
again,
it's
an
architect's
vision
of
what
that
streetscape
might
look
like
again.
If
we're
able
to
preserve
some
of
the
oak
trees
and
if
that's
something,
that's
important
to
the
sport,
we
will
preserve
some
of
the
oak
trees
and
to
ensure
the
character
of
the
streetscape.
But
again
this
represents,
what's
required
by
code.
You've
got
the
bushes
along
the
sidewalk.
K
You've
got
trees
every
so
feet
so
many
feet,
and
then
you
have
planted
flowers
on
the
front
of
the
chart
required
by
code,
but
this
is
going
to
be
a
really
beautiful
entrance
to
the
city
when
we're
done
but
again,
saving
some
of
the
old
growth
freeze
is
important.
Then
we'll
certainly
work
to
do
that.
K
The
term
family
friendly
was
used.
Of
course,
we've
talked
about
that
I.
Think
the
previous
series,
that's
not
part
of
the
criteria.
It's
a
nice
thought
we
I
would
argue
by
the
way
that
this
is
family
friendly,
because
it
allows
people
to
come
and
have
different
places
to
live
in
Jacksonville,
Beach
and
then.
Finally,
regarding
trafficked
and
and
Mr
Marsh,
you
know
a
two-lane
road,
just
a
regular
old,
two-way
Road.
The
capacity
on
just
a
regular
two-lane
road
is
between
14
000
and
17
000
cars
per
day.
K
That's
just
a
regular
neighborhood
Road
one
that
goes
through
your
neighborhood,
maybe
where
your
your
house
is
located,
so
the
notion
that
we're
going
to
trip
or
or
cause
roads
to
fail
off
the
sides
of
each
Boulevard,
even
though
it's
not
part
of
the
requirement
it
that
that's
that's,
not
that's,
just
not
going
to
happen,
but
I
will
say
this
typically
and
I'm
offering
this
really
without
talking
to
my
client.
K
But
typically
we
wouldn't
do
a
traffic
study
and
so
we're
in
permitting,
if
it's
important
to
this
board,
that
we
do
a
traffic
study
before
we
go
to
city
council,
and
you
want
to
make
that
a
condition.
Then
we'll
figure
out
a
way
to
get
a
traffic
study
done
before
October
17th.
So
I.
K
E
K
Went
to
FEMA
out
of
order
in
my
opinion,
but
it
was
something
that
the
director
asked
us
to
do
and
we
did
it
before
the
result
that
we
shrunk.
The
development
parcel
We,
Shrunk,
the
development
parcel
from
13
acres
to
10.9
acres,
and
that
was
a
result
of
the
work
that
she
required
of
us
in
addition
to
adding
the
puffers.
So
if
this
board
believes
that
it's
important
for
us
to
do
a
traffic
study
earlier
in
the
process,
then
then
we'll
do
that
before
October
17th
before
the
city
council
meeting.
E
K
K
J
K
Yeah,
that's
a
great
question.
So
typically
they're
dealt
with
a
need
restrictions
or
property
owner
association
documents,
but
there
won't
be
there
won't,
be
there
won't
be
short-term
rentals
in
here.
Whatever
whatever
happens
in
this
property
will
be
in
compliance
with
the
code,
whatever
the
code
is,
which
I
think
you
have
like
a
5k
a
five-day
limit,
or
something
like
that.
I
haven't
followed.
That
issue
closely
attracts
feature:
do
not
have
any
requirement,
so
we're
not
going
to
have
we're
not
going
to
have
short-term
rentals
again.
K
If
you
want
to
make
that
a
requirement,
I,
don't
think
you
can
technically
require
the
form
of
ownership
or
the
form
of
leases
that
we
have
in
a
zoning
or
a
land
use.
I'm.
D
Just
curious,
but
but
we're
not
intending
to
have
that
now
yeah,
so
our
friends
in
Tallahassee
have
preempted
us
from
prohibiting
short-term
rentals
there's.
There
is
nothing
that
we
can
do
about
that
particular
issue.
However,
if
this
is
a
PUD
zoning,
they
could
make
the
determination
that
they
don't
want
to
allow
them
just
like
any
of
our
condos
or
neighborhoods
that
are
beauty
or
HOA
yeah.
Those
individual
neighborhoods
could.
J
D
So
if
protected
trees
are
removed,
they
have
to
be
mitigated
so
there's
a
whole
section
of
our
own
landscaping
standards.
Well,
there's
different
standard
devs
for
single
family,
specifically
so
there's
different
standards.
So
for
a
project
like
this
we'd
be
looking
at
the
entire
site,
they
would
have
to
give
us
a
tree
survey.
Tell
us
all
the
trees
that
were
moving,
tell
us
all
the
trees
that
they're
going
to
maintain
and
then
and
then
tell
us
what
mitigation
and
we
check
all
that
and
we
tell
them.
D
D
As
it
stands
now,
without
any
land
use
or
zoning
change,
I
think
the
number
was
around
320
units
would
be
permitted.
That's
what
the
new
something
about
now
the
applicant.
D
Correct
since
it's
currently
well,
it
would.
D
D
C
D
H
H
E
H
A
Okay,
so
I'm
I'm,
hearing
that
there's
a
police
potential
for
some
consideration,
a
language
that
might
address
trees,
a
travel
study
and
perhaps
Workforce
housing?
It
seems
to
me
this
is
just
my
information
that
those
to
the
extent
we're
considering
conditions
I,
don't
see
them
necessarily
going
with
the
land
use,
but
rather
going
with
planning
new
development,
if
that
makes
sense
to
staff.
A
E
There's
been
progress
by
the
proponent
on
the
development
of
the
plan
and
I
think
the
two
gentlemen
that
spoke
about.
We
need
to
work
together
and
figure
out
the
best
for
the
city
for
the
people
that
live
here
and
and
are
here
now
after
the
new
600
or
whoever's
coming
so
I
would
like
to
consider
I'm
not
making
a
motion
but
I'm
making.
A
A
discussion
for
a
postponement,
push
it
off
well
and
I
I'd,
just
like.
I
A
Add
that
I
I
find
it
actually
sort
of
refreshing
that
we
have
an
applicant
who's
willing
to
do
a
traffic
study
at
this
point
in
the
process,
look
at
the
trees
and
look
at
Workforce
housing
when
our
comprehensive
plan
really
doesn't
either
need
me,
then
do
that
and
it
says,
affordable
housing
is
good.
A
It
doesn't,
you
know
it
doesn't
set
the
standards,
it
doesn't
so
I
mean
I,
think
we're
maybe
focusing
on
the
same
thing
and
that
we
have
a
developer
that
is
creative
and
willing
to
work
with
the
city
when
they're
willing
to
be
in
that
those
studies,
including
the
traffic
analysis
immediately,
seems
it
seems
more
responsive
to
me.
We're
simply
advising
we're
not
the
ultimate
decision
maker
so
but.
J
I
mean
that's:
I,
wouldn't
feel
comfortable
approving
anything.
Until
we
have
that
information,
it
gives
all
your
power
to
them.
Why
would
you
want
to
give
up
your
power?
It
gives
everything
to
the
developer.
I
want
to
see
the
information
they
knew
that
this
information
I
remember
a
year
ago,
I
think
I
was
there.
They
talked
about
traffic
being
an
issue.
They
talked
about
these
things.
A
Well,
it
just
seems
to
me
that
if
the
planning
department
needs
it,
we
should
have
had
it
before
now
before
it
comes
to
implantation.
It's
not
just
the
planning
point.
You
know
sure
you
know
and
I'm
saying
that
wearing
my
planner
hat,
but
it's
kind
of
up
to
us
planners.
If
we
have
you
know
kind
of
you
know
specific.
A
D
As
far
as
number
of
units,
yeah
probably
would
be,
the
blue
water
on
Beach
Boulevard
is
I.
Believe
that's
around
300
Apartments
I.
Don't
have
that
exact
number
in
front
of
me,
but
that's
the
last
one
I
can
think.
I
F
And
and
if
you
want
to
add
something
to
my
mission,
if
you
want
to
add
that
we
would
ask
that
the
applicant
addressed
the
three
items
that
you
just
spoke
about,
we
could
have
add
that
too
much
as
well,
and
then
we
could
get
a
traffic
study.
I
mean
we
could
eventually
doesn't
have
to
be
just
make
the
postponement,
but
I
think
that
we
do.
We
all
want
more.
B
F
Do
because
this
is
not
the
first
time
that
we
have
continued
this.
This
applicant
has
come
here
with
the
same
situation
before
they've
changed
it
and
they've
approved
it
and
they're
working
with
the
city.
Now
I
think
this
board
wants
to
work
with
them.
That
I
think
that
we
need
more
information.
I
think
we
need
the
the
traffic
situation
assess
I,
also
think
that
we
need
the
workforce.
Housing
I
understand
that
Mr
devineaux
had
said
there
will
be
some.
What
is
so
two?
What
is
it
25?
F
You
know
we
need
to
have
some
sort
of
concrete
answers,
especially
because
city
of
Jacksonville
people
residents.
They
need
to
know
that
as
well.
So
I
think
if
we
postpone
it
and
then
request
it
in
the
next
30
to
60
days
to
get
a
traffic
study
find
out
how
many
Workforce
housing
we're
going
to
have
and
what
was
the
third
point
palm
trees
and
maybe
a
tree
survey
as
the
planet.
Commissioner,
in
the
state
kind
of
release
date
for
the
recreation
area,.
F
Because
we
restate
the
motion,
please
I'm,
going
to
make
a
motion
to
postpone
this
for
30
to
60
days.
Whatever
the
applicant
can
do
to
move
forward
for
a
traffic
study
on
the
area
and
to
how
many
Workforce
housing
units
will
be
available
and,
finally,
a
tree
servant
that
would
that
would
need
to
which
trees
do
between
which
ones
go
and
not
go.
K
Those
of
you
that
know
me
know
I
I,
don't
I,
don't
ever
I
almost
always
accept
the
deferral
to
keep
working
on
something,
but
in
this
instance
the
issues
that
we've
discussed
and
that
have
been
identified
are
all
ones
that
were,
with
the
exception
of
the
traffic
study
that
we're
prepared
to
deal
with
tonight.
We're
not
going
to
be
able
to
get
a
tree
survey
in
60
days.
K
That's
just
not
realistic,
but
what
you
can
do
is
add
a
condition
that
we
save
as
many
trees
as
possible
that
are
healthy
along
Beach
Boulevard.
We
could
work
on
that.
Absolutely
the
traffic
study.
We
can
get
done
by
October
17th.
So,
presumably
you
know
we
could
get.
We
could
get
done
in
time
for
October
24th.
The
problem
with
that
is
that
your
staff
doesn't
have
a
traffic
engineering
and
so
I'm
going
to
come
here
with
my
traffic
engineer
and
you're
going
to
hit
the
traffic
study.
K
And
you're
you're
you're
going
to
be
asking
questions
of
a
traffic
engineer
without
benefit
of
any
information
on
your
side,
and
so
now
that
just
leads
to
another
referral.
So
my
recommendation
is
that
you
take
it
up.
You
do
the
best
you
can
you
make
a
recommendation,
the
city
council
and
you
and
you
let
us
keep
moving
on.
I
can.
F
K
You're
asking
me
what
what
day
I
would
choose
I
would
ask
for
October
24th,
but
I
I.
Personally,
don't
think
that
I
mean
you've
got
a
professional
staff
that
did
that's
how
I
work
on
this
and
I
think
they're
in
the
position
for
you
to
be
able
to
rely
on
their
experts
and
the
information
they've
provided
to
you,
but
that
doesn't
mean
I'm
not
willing
to
continue
working
on
it.
It's
just
in
this
case.
K
We've
spent
at
an
exorbitant
amount
of
time
making
revisions
and
changes
to
meet
the
code,
and
your
staff
is
read
the
list
of
the
method
code.
We
really
would
like
to
keep
going
forward
if
you.
K
A
Okay,
so
we
just
need
to
be
clear.
So
if
we're,
if
we
both
know,
then
we
would
be
another
motion.
Yes
as
to
how
ways
understood
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
people
you
know
we
don't
do
this
a
lot
so.
J
F
J
F
Motion
is
that
we
that
we
postpone
for
three
issues
and
for
the
board
to
be
able
to
look
at
the
massive
amount
of
paperwork
that
we've
received.
Although
we
do
have
the
City
Planning
Commission
that
has,
commissioner,
that
has
it
has
approved
it.
We
still
want
to
look
forward
because
we
represent
the
city
of
Jacksonville
Beach.
F
D
H
D
F
D
Of
what
they're
proposing
to
actually
plant
new,
so
if
you
are
going
to
have
some
type
of
condition
based
on
Landscaping
I,
would
I
wouldn't
recommend
having
them
do
a
tree
survey,
it's
just
too
soon
in
the
process.
This
section
of
the.
J
E
E
K
H
K
A
K
J
K
Anyway,
I'm
sure
I,
just
I,
can
continue
talking
about
the
traffic.
What
we're
talking
about
now
really
is
trap
the
traffic
study
methodology,
which
typically
that
sampled
between
the
staff
and
the
applicant
which
I've
already
sold
our
track
engine
here
to
be
ready
to
do
you
know,
talk
to
them
tomorrow.
What.
H
E
H
Motion
to
reconsider
just
to
keep
repeating
a
motion
that
just
failed
is
consideration.
H
H
I
think
his
substance
I'm
just
kind
of
rest
on
what
I've
said
on
sit
down
and
you
guys
proceed
as
you
see
fit.
A
Okay,
I
I'm
just
going
to
say
one
more
thing
again
wearing
my
planner
hats,
so
there's
willingness
to
provide
a
traffic
study
but
we're
hearing
from
Seth
that
the
traffic
there
I
I
think
I'm
hearing
some
stats
that
they're
not
necessarily
sure
what
they're
going
to
do
with
the
traffic
study,
because
there
isn't
someone
who's.
A
traffic
engineer
on
staff
that
created
evaluatives,
I
I.
A
Think
I
heard
that
the
other
thing
that
I
am
concerned
about
is
that
we
don't
have
any
kind
of
standard
for
what
we
could
ask
for
with
those
housing.
Because
our
comprehensive
plan
says
affordable.
Housing
is
a
good
thing
and
we
should
support
it,
but
it
doesn't
give
us
any
guidance
whatsoever
as
to
what
to
ask
for.
A
Which
I
think
is
extraordinary
and
boy
would
that
send
a
wonderful
precedence
but
holding
them
up
I
just
doesn't
I
I,
don't
I,
don't
understand
where
we're
going
to
be
other
than
having
read
the
documents
in
more
detail.
That's
the
only
thing
that
I'm
seeing
is
read
the
doctors
right.
F
B
Have
a
question
can't
believe
that
the
workforce
housing
standard
as
a
condition?
D
For
the
rezoning
application,
I
would
recommend
that
you,
if
you're,
going
to
put
a
condition
that
Council
looks
at
that
as
well,
because
I
don't
know
that
he's
willing
to
commit
to
a
number
necessarily,
and
we
can't
require
it
anywhere
in
the
code.
It
doesn't
say
we
can
require
it.
So
if
that
is
something
that
is
a
condition,
I
would
recommend
moving
that
forward
to
council
and
then
allow
an
applicant
to
have
those
discussions
with
their
client
and
so
forth,
and
the
council
will
also
obviously
have
those
discussions
on
what
their
request
would
be.
K
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
Procedurally
I
think
you
also
have
to
adopt
the
land
use.
Amendment
recommend
approval
placement
first
before
we
can
get
through
the
conditions
so
I
as
Mr
lerman's
thinking
about
his
his
motion,
I
would
recommend
that
we
talk
about
the
land
use
Amendment.
First,
we
can't
put
conditions
on
it
and
so
for
purposes
of
continuing
the
discussion
about
the
resuming.
My
my
thought
would
be
that
you
would
take
a
vote
on
the
land
use
Amendment.
K
Assuming
that
there's
a
vote
in
favor
of
recommending
approval
of
land
use
Amendment,
then
you
go
to
the
rezoning
and
you
start
talking
about
conditions,
and
we
have
a
very
detailed
idea
on
affordable
housing.
That's
consistent
with
State
statutes,
then
I'm
happy
to
share
at
the
appropriate
time
that
it
would
be
in
the
context
of
the
resulting
inoculants.
K
B
I'd
just
like
to
speak
to
the
overall
home
development
of
this
and
land
planning,
the
area
that
they
have
this
in
is
on
a
major
or
repair,
as
it
is
now,
it's
a
little
hodgepodge
and
the
landing
is
and
what
they're
doing
is
smart
development.
You
have
a
commercial
center
to
the
right.
You
know
when
you
have
the
high
density
residential
there.
It
is
tenants
are
going
to
utilize
the
commercial
center.
B
City
I
know
where
I
live
right
now:
I'm
in
Deep,
South,
Jax,
Beach,
I,
don't
I
rarely
leave
my
house
because
I
can
walk
across
the
street
to
Whole
Foods
I
can
go
to
groups
or
whatever
it
is,
and
I
think
that
this
is
smart
planning
versus
adding
something
that
is
commercial
and
increasing
the
job.
H
A
Okay,
I
just
clarified
so
so
there's
no
way
to
handle
this
item
on
October
10th,
both
items
or
whatever
for
just
one
cycle.
Our
next
meeting
is.
D
D
E
K
Well,
I
really
appreciate
the
the
conversation
about
so,
if
I
I,
if
we
were
able
to
get
some
level
of
traffic
data,
I,
don't
have
it
done
by
October
10th,
but
we
can
try.
My
question
would
be.
Would
there
be
any
objection
if
we
have
a
load
on
October
10th,
and
this
is
probably
putting
it
on
the
spot
a
little
bit
Madam
Council?
Would
it
be
if
it
would
it
be
possible
if
we
were
to
achieve
a
success
on
October
10th
at
the
Planning
Commission
on
a
recommendation
of
approval?
K
K
K
I
I
mean
I'm,
not
I,
understand
the
desire
to
be
the
initial
information.
The
information
but
I'm
not
going
to
have
any
additional
I,
won't
have
a
completed
traffic
study,
I,
don't
think
by
October
10th
I'm
already
making
the
commitment
not
talking
to
my
traffic
engineer
or
my
client,
so
I'm
I'm
two
weeks
is
tough.
I
know
three
weeks
two
weeks
off
three
weeks
would
be
October
17th,
which
is
why
I
was
what
I
was
saying
is:
do
you
recommend
you
recommend
approval
this
I'm
just
making
this
up?
K
You
recommend
approval
of
the
condition
that
we
have
a
traffic
study
prior
to
final
approval
by
city
council
for
their
consideration,
and
then
we
would
have
that
on
October
17th,
which
is
again
similar
to
the
tree
survey.
K
It's
eight
months
premature
and
typical
development
process,
I'm
not
discounting
interesting.
It's
not
important
I'm,
just
saying
it's
very,
very
typical
and
we're
willing
to
accelerate
it,
but
we're
I
guess
we're
trying
we're
trying
not
to
be
penalized
for
giving
all
the
additional
information
and
we're
hopeful
that
we
can
keep
keep
up
keep
moving.
If
you
want
to
talk
about
affordable
housing,
I'm
prepared
to
talk
about
that
just
to
outline
the
issue
alive.
E
A
Well,
I
I
do
just
want
to
add
that
I
I
think
whatever
we
need
to
be
setting
up
here,
we'll
give
the
applicant
some
Assurance
of
an
ability
to
move
forward.
J
Opportunities
because
we
made
a
motion
to
push
it
off
for
a
month
that
didn't
go
through,
emotions
were
denied
that
didn't
go
through,
so
the
only
motion
left
is
to
accept
it
with
conditions
at
this
point.
Well,
I'm
sorry,
move
approval
of
the
land
use,
which
you
can't
condition
and
then
take
a
second
or
something
yeah.
J
D
I
A
We
can't
put
conditions
on
land
use
in
the
sense
of
conditions
that
would
be
Associated
include
the
Communist
plan.
The
only
thing
we
need
to
we
need
to
look
at
up
or
down
or
changing
deed
for
our
action
agreed.
Emotion,
yes
and
I'm.
The
chair
and
I
don't
make
emotions
communication.
J
E
H
To
one
action
I've
seen
in
so
many
emotions
that
have
failed,
you
know
when
we
first
spoke
about
the
deferrals.
The
substance
of
that
conversation
had
been
around
just
Define
in
general,
although
it
did
have
been
used
and.
H
On
the
second
instance
that
it
was
through
proper
because
we
keep
having
motions
that
have
been
denied
field
is
presumed
to
be
dilatory
and
purpose.
I'm,
not
saying
that's
the
case
here,
but
you
can't
really
kind
of
go
through
the
calendar
day
by
day
and
save
the
motion,
because
now
you've
chosen
another
referral
at
some
point
there
has
to
be
a
decision
that
the
motion
to
defer
has
failed
and
you
move
on
to
a
different
motion.
Now
we
are
now
to
the
deferral
motions
one
motion
to
deny
as
well.
One
motion
to
approve
has
failed.
E
H
H
H
Theoretically,
it
could
be
a
motion
to
approve
their
conditions,
so
I
I
under
normal
circumstances,
I,
would
have
said
a
motion
to
deny
should
have
just
simply
been
a
motion
to
approve
and
receive
it
succeeded,
club
or
down
on
that
boat
rather
than
to
State
the
motion
in
a
negative
and
since
we've
had
this
broad
range
of
discussion
really
on
opposite
spectrums.
On
these
applications,
I
I
hear
what
you're
saying
I'm,
not
quite
prepared
to
say:
there's,
not
one
more
motion
available
but
I.
Think
technically,
if
I
had
to
say
we
can
cut
it
off.
H
I
would
rest
on
the
point
that
you've
just
made
but
I
simply
based
on
just
listening
to
the
conversation.
I'm,
not
sure,
if
that's
where
the
conversation
is,
but
the
motion
to
approve
and
a
failure
that
does
kind
of
stop
everything
from
a
legal
standpoint
if
there
is
really
no
further
consideration
to
be
given
to
these
two
applications.
Well,.
E
H
H
H
It
was
a
you
know,
three
two,
so
the
deferrals
were
no
greater
in
being
Advanced,
as
was
the
motion
to
deny,
or
in
fact
the
motion
to
approve,
so
we
don't
have
any
kind
of
weighted
decision
in
that
regard,
and
so
again
the
finality,
based
on
all
the
emotions
that
I've
heard
tonight,
the
rest
of
the
motion
to
approve
that
I
simply
offered
Devotion
to
upload
the
conditions
simply
because
the
conversation
or
the
discussion
around
these
applications
did
lend
itself
immediately
to
that
outcome.
But
it
is
a
perfect
outcome.
Given
the
length
of
the
conversation.
K
For
a
long
time,
I've
never
had
this
back
pattern,
so
I'm
not
really
sure
what
the
result
would
be
from
a
third
party,
but
in
the
spirit
of
compromise
or
trying
to
get
this
in
a
posture
that
people
could
be
productive
about
it,
instead
of
maybe
being
at
odds.
K
K
Know
I
understand
I'm,
just
I'm
just
offering
it
as
a
way
to
bring
the
conversation
and
allow
this
permission
to
exercise
their
their
their
discretion,
and
if
they
don't
want
to
that's,
okay,
then
we'll
continue
the
conversation
with
city
council
either
way
so
I'm
just
offering
it
as
a
suggestion.
A
I
I
wasn't
of
the
impression
that
we
were
saying
this
land.
This
Vigilantes
change
would
never
go
forward.
Yeah,
that's
the
choice
we
have
and
that's
what
and
I
don't
think
we
should
be
saying
I,
don't
think
we
should.
D
Here
is
making
a
recommendation
to
city
council
for
these
votes.
That
is
what
you
are
doing.
So,
if
you're,
if
you
have
voted,
not
to
approve
this,
that
is
your
recommendation
to
city
council,
because
you
didn't
make
a
vote
on
the
on
the
plan
unit
of
development,
rezoning
request
as
well
tonight,
and
if
your
recommendation
for
that
is
also
denial,
those
are
going
to
move
forward
to
city
council.
That
will
be
your
official
recommendation
to
them
as
they
consider
and
make.
H
A
motion
to
reconsider
is
proper
before
the
end
of
this
meeting,
so
anyone
can
call
for
a
motion
to
reconsider
any
previous
vote,
Pence
that
that
has
been
taken
and
was
really
provided.
The
motion
is
made
by
someone
who
is
in
the
prevailing
side
of
the
code,
so
with
respect
to
Devotion,
to
deny
someone
who
voted
against
the
denial
can
make
a
motion
to
reconsider
the
person
anymore
voting
and
supported
the
motion
to
deny
cannot
make
Evolution
to
consider.
H
So
you
have
to
parse
out
your
votes
to
figure
out
which
one
you
want
to
ask
the
body
to
reconsider
and
have
a
person
who
voted
with
the
prevailing
side
of
that
vote,
whereas
including
or
losing
side
to.
Excuse
me
whether
it's
voted
in
favor
or
against
whatever
was
pending
before
the
body.
Have
the
person
devoted
on
a
prevailing
side
to
make
the
motion
to
be
considered
once
that
is
done,
you
get
a
second
for
it,
and
these
up
or
down.
Do
you
reconsider
it?
K
Another
loan
on
that
yeah
so
another
another
again.
Another
permutation
here
might
be
that
we
asked
for
deferral
of
the
rezoning
so
that
nothing
is
transmitted
to
the
city
council.
I
K
K
Whatever
the
issues
may
be
attainable
housing
or
whatever
their
shoes
they
might
be,
and
then
I
think
you
would
be
in
the
position
procedurally,
that
someone
would
still
have
to
make
the
motion
to
reconsider
the
land
use
cement,
but
all
of
that
is
details
will
be.
That
would
give
your
lawyer
time
to
figure
out
who
needs
to
make
that
determination.
So
again,
right
now
we
have
a
recommendation
of
denial
or
a
new
submit.
We
would
ask
for
a
deferral
on
the
rezoning
and
until
a
date,
Circle
and.
K
Ask
that
we
defer
our
ladies
and
then
our
rezoning
until
October
24th,
but
I
want
to
make
sure
that
that
attorney
Robinson
doesn't
have
another
thought,
because
I
don't
want
to
get
us
in
a
bad
procedural
posture,
I'm
trying
to
accommodate
and
respect
the
decision
that
was
made
on
the
land
use
some
decision
tonight,
but
then
also
give
us
time
to
talk
about
the
zooming.
K
Just
offering
it
because
I
would
stop
in
the
transmittal
to
that
would
stop
to
transmill
to
the
council.
Well,
so
it
would
give
us
time
I'm
making
sure
that
that's
what
would
happen
I'm
trying
to
I'm
trying
to
figure
out
a
way
to
help
to
get
more
time
for
the
conversation,
but
respecting
your
decisions
on
the
first
issue
and
I'm
just
asking
for
the
for
attorney
Robinson
if
she
hasn't
yet
your
opinion
on
that
too.
We've
talked
about
this
a
couple
of
times
and
it
seemed
like
if
the
first
one
failed,
there
was
a.
H
You
know
it
seemed
like
there
was
no
need
to
consider
the
second
one,
but
one
needs
the
other.
No,
we
have
two
of
those
scheduled
and
we
had
two
separate
public
hearings.
The
staff
and
the
applicant
may
join
presentations
or
presentations
that
cover
both
applications,
but
the
intent
was
to
treat
applications
separate.
A
You
know,
may
I
ask:
do
we
have
the,
and
perhaps
this
is
smooth,
but
do
we
have
the
ability
to
reconsider
the
future
land
use
change
on
the
24th
should
be
resounding.
The
financial
Development
Department.
A
H
These
channels,
right
so
I,
think
based
on
based
on
the
procedural
rules
that
are
currently
in
place.
The
reconsideration
is
proper
in
the
meeting
in
which
the
voices
okay,
so
today's
meeting
on
tonight's
reading
is
the
opportunity
time
to
reconsider
any
of
the
votes
here
that
were
made
tonight,
which
were
which
failed
following
the
guidelines
that
I
suggested
earlier.
H
E
E
E
E
C
Practically
they're
submitting
a
recommendation
to
Council
on
both
items.
How
does
split
recommendation
go
in
that
they
would
recommend.
A
K
E
C
B
A
D
17Th
and
November
7th
are
the
scheduled
dates
for
Council
right.
C
C
We
determined
the
crowds
are
large.
We
may
move
to
the
parks
department
building
over
at
sunshine
Park,
but
most
likely
it'll
be
here.