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A
C
E
A
Thank
you,
everyone
for
coming
before
we
get
started.
There
were
just.
A
One
is
tis
the
season
for
financial
disclosure
forms,
so
please
be
looking
in
the
mail.
You
should
be
getting
Financial
disclosure
forms
they're
due
on
July
3rd.
So
just
you
know
kind
of
bear
that
in
mind.
A
We
also
you
guys,
will
recall
that
we
were
asked
by
the
clerk
to
ensure
that
we
turn
on
our
microphones
and
speak
into
the
microphones,
to
make
it
easier
to
make
sure
that
everybody's
heard
so
with
everybody.
We
keep
that
in
mind
and
then
specific
to
what's
on
the
agenda
for
this
evening's
meeting.
I
just
wanted
to
remind
everybody
in
third
for
some
of
you,
we
haven't
done
so
many
of
them
that
frequently
we
are
making
a
recommendation
to
city
council
as
opposed
to
making
a
decision.
A
A
Make
changes
or
to
to
conduct
support?
That's
just
it
makes
it
easier
going
forward
if
we
do
those
things.
So
thank
you.
Everyone
for
patience
for
that,
okay,
so
the
Planning
Commission
bases
decisions
on
confidence,
substantial
evidence,
including
testimony
provided
at
this
meeting
any
person
who
is
not
an
applicant
agent
that
wishes
to
speak
wanting
to
fill
out
a
speakers
card
located
by
besides
neighborhood
of
the
door
and
turn
them
into
the
clerk.
A
It's
our
practice
that,
regardless
of
the
type
of
issue
we
are
asked
to
decide
upon,
each
member
of
the
public
is
given
three
minutes
to
speak
on
each
other.
Please
refrain
for
speaking
out
from
the
audience
of
flooding.
A
Where
everyone
listening
or
in
attendance
is
comfortable
and
then
please
Silence
Yourself.
Having
said
that,
our
first
item
of
work
is
approval
of
minutes.
Do
we
have
any
comments?
Questions
proposed
changes
to
the
minutes
of
May,
22nd
2023
or
the
joint
board
Workshop.
If
I
hear
any
suggestions
or
changes,
you
can
take
those
two
items
separately,
but
otherwise
we
can
take
them
together.
If
everyone
is
okay
with
that,
so
any
changes
to
either
set
of
minutes
or
May,
31
or
May
22nd
hearing
them
do
we
have
a
motion.
F
A
G
D
A
A
Do
we
have
any?
We
know
we
have
new
business,
let's
deal
with
pc0123
Mr
Coffee
right.
G
This
is
pc0123
It's,
a
request
for
rezoning
to
planning
unit
development.
The
two
properties
in
question
are
1120:
shetter,
Avenue
and
1147
South
1st
Street,
the
applicant
is
the
beaches.
Emergency
assistance,
Ministry
or
Dean
they'll
be
represented
by
Hunter
Faulkner.
G
The
request
is
to
rezone
the
existing
industrial
properties
to
planning
the
development
which
would
allow
for
the
expansion
of
the
existing
beam,
Thrift
retail
business.
That's
located
along
cheddar
at
11.
I'm,
sorry
that
should
be
11
and
10,
not
11
20..
G
Visual
here
trying
to
summarize
this
to
the
food
plastic
Eden
currently
has
a
thrift
retail
location
located
on
shatter
Avenue,
which
is
this
portion
of
the
site
plan.
Here,
it's
an
existing
industrial
building
with
a
small
parking
area
in
the
front
nibit
operating
there
for
many
years,
and
the
industrial
zoning
category
action
doesn't
have
an
individual
retail
sale
use.
G
Operate
there
back
in
I
want
to
say
2004.,
specifically
as
a
retail
establishment,
and
it
was
signed
off
on
and
approved
for
warehousing
that
it
was
miscommunication
with
the
previous
director
as
to
what
they
were
actually
asking
for,
because
he
was
an
addition
to
having
rented
as
a
retail
establishment,
but
they've
been
operating
that
way
for
a
long
time
and
everybody
really
caught
it
until
they
came
in
to
discuss
the
expansion,
which
was
the
property
located
along
first
here,
which
is
another
industrial
Warehouse
plant
building.
G
And
at
that
point
we
kind
of
caught
the
fact
that
they
didn't
actually
have
a
use
allowed
in
the
industrial
design.
But
they've
been
there
for
decades.
So
we
proposed
in
conversations
with
them
the
option
of
doing
and
rezoning
to
PUD,
basically
to
take
all.
G
G
The
only
significant
difference
between
sort
of
the
standard
requirements
for
normal
commercial
sales
versus
what
they're
proposing
here
has
to
do
with
parking
and
basically
we're
just
allowing
it
to
allocate
the
interior
space
that
they're
using
for
storage
and
count
that,
under
the
industrial
standard,
which
only
requires
one
parking
space,
typically
retails,
calculated
on
the
grocery
footage
of
the
building.
So
this
allows
them
to
parse
out
that
storage
area,
which
is
a
significant
part
of
the
building
that
they
currently
occupy.
G
Because
the
front
part
is
the
only
one
that
would
have
issues
meeting
the
parking
requirement
and
we're
having
basically
calculate
the
parking
per
building.
Because
there's
a
significant
change
in
grade
right
here
and
it's
relatively
difficult
for
them
to
move.
You
know
as
customers
from
this
parcel
to
this
parcel
and
because
of
that
realistically,
everyone's
gonna
have
to
drive
around
to
come
over
here,
so
this
kind
of
has
to
stand
on
its
own,
and
then
this
has
to
stand
on
the
Zone
with
regards
to
parking.
G
This
property
does
have
a
parking,
but
in
addition
to
that,
this
partial
has
a
very
large
kind
of
undefined
gravel
parking
area.
There
are
some
parking
stops
that
are
noted
on
the
cycling,
but
in
essence
this
serves
as
overflow
parking
and
means
the
open
space
requirements
for
the
Pud,
and
it's
just
really
unprogrammed
space,
but
it
would
allow
them
to
have
quite
a
bit
of
extra
parking
if
needed.
They
can
also,
you
know,
handle
deliveries
and
donations
and
stuff
there
as
well.
G
So
in
essence,
the
property
isn't
going
to
change
from
what
it
is
today.
The
two
buildings
will
remain
as
they
are.
The
use
would
again
spend
this
rear,
building
and
generalize
leaves
up
front,
and
so
it
really
just
allows
that
retail
sale
in
the
industrial
Zone
they
are
basically
requesting
to
keep
all
the
industrial
uses.
They
don't
own.
These
two
properties
they
lease
them
and
so
for
the
sake
of
the
existing
Property
Owners.
G
They
wanted
to
ensure
that
they
can
retain
their
rights
in
the
future
to
operate
those
facilities
as
industrial
but
illegals
in
the
future,
if
being
ever
moves
out.
So
this
simply
adds
that
one
use
and
allows
a
little
bit
of
different
parking
calculations
just
for
these
two
buildings,
just
for
the
sake
of
the
evening.
Otherwise,
all
the
standard
industrial
requirements
for
the
zodians
to
apply
here
so
not
very
complicated
PVD,
but
it
does
resolve
the
number
of
issues
and
allows
being
to
expand
their
operation.
C
H
Good
evening
Commissioners,
my
name
is
Hunter
Faulkner
here
on
behalf
of
Dean
and
the
property
owners
of
1110
shetter
Avenue
and
1147
First
Avenue
South
I
believe
that
Christian's
staff
report
speaks
for
itself
again.
This
is
the
purpose
is
twofold
here:
to
allow
for
the
expansion
of
beans
operations
at
the
at
the
property
for
the
1147,
First
Street,
First,
Avenue,
South
property
and
then
to
bring
the
shed
or
property
into
performance
with
the
Land
Development
code.
We
feel
like
this.
H
G
Questions
for
the
applicant
one
quick
comment:
I
didn't
mention
this
previously,
but
commercial
sales
are
allowed
in
industrial,
except
they
have
to
be
associated
with
a
either
bulk
warehousing
facility
or
wholesale
operations,
or
something
like
a
bakery,
so
they're
a
sub
subsidiaries
to
the
primary
use
of
something
industrial.
So
it.
H
H
G
Thank
you
to
the
vice
chair
on
the
supplemental
written
description
of
sometimes
Pages,
two
and
three
cover
the
permitted
accessory
and
additional
uses
for
industrial.
It's
a
pretty
voluminous.
H
The
applicant
here
is
is
seeking
the
retail
use,
but
we
are
allowing
those
uses
that
are
typically
identified
with
industrial
zoning
so
that
the
property
can
still
be
used
and
maintained
as
industrial
space
shouldn't
arise,
if
being
no
longer,
oh
okay,
so
you're
not
actually
doing
the
repair
or
oh,
no,
no,
no!
No!
No!
That's
not
just
that
does
not
follow
through
the
applicants.
A
Any
further
questions
for
the
applicant.
Thank
you,
sir
yeah.
Thank
you.
I
will
now
open
the
public
hearing.
Do
we
have
any
speakers
cards.
J
G
Pardon
me
I,
wouldn't
consider
the
spot
signing
the
staff
wouldn't
have
supported
it.
If
that
were
the
case,
and
I
can't
speak
to
how
this
would
affect
your
property,
there's.
J
A
problem
right
there,
when
you
use
your
own
peace
requirements,
shares
Avenue.
It
was
when
we
moved
there.
We
don't
have
probably
residential
shortly
after
that
they
made
a
commercial.
We
try
to
do
projects
on
that
property.
We
could
not
do
it
because
it
became
a
commercial
Zone
and
you're
limited
to
what
you
want
to
do
so,
I'm
really
concerned
about
what
you
want
to
do
there
we
own
that
roadblock
in
there
my
family
in
back
when
we
concerned
that
we're
not
going
to
get
caught
up
in
those
spots
only.
G
J
J
J
J
I'm
part
of
the
project,
I
can't
say
I'm
against
the
project,
because
I
got
a
lot
of
concerns
about
the
project,
because
I
know
it's
going
to
bring
traffic.
That's
a
little
quaint
neighborhood
in
there
the
school
come
through
there.
So
they
say
that
they
have
a
lot
of
traffic
on
the
sheriff.
So
now
you're
going
to
put
those
people
coming
through
there
and
it
just
output
progress,
but
I
don't
want
to
get
caught
up
like
I
did
a
lot
of
property
and
apparently
you
as
a
board,
can
I
see
that
book.
I
So,
just
for
purposes
of
clarity
here,
right,
we're
talking
and
I
want
to
make
sure
that
this
is
really
a
question
for
you.
Christians
we're
discussing
this
we're
talking
about
the
reasoning
of
this
specific.
These
two
specific.
I
Affects
that
and
the
only
change
in
all
these
uses
that
are
that's
listed
here
is
adding
number
one
right:
retail
sale,
trade
establishments
as
follows:
use
merchandise,
Furnishing,
an
equipment
stores,
miscellaneous
shopping
goods
and
miscellaneous
right
now
as
a
department.
As
a
now
everything
else,
everybody.
This
is
the
type
of
public
yeah.
So
we
can
certainly
have
this
conversation.
So
my
point
is:
is.
B
D
K
Okay,
as
Sam
was
saying:
I
I
live
next
door
to
the
1147
First
Avenue
South.
There's
a
chain
link
fence,
separate
I,
prompted
from
The
Establishment
there
and
when
personal
miles
were
there
and
Terry
she
said
she's
sitting
back
there.
We
had
no
rare
issues
and
problems
with
them.
I
only
concern
was.
K
Traffic
flowing
around,
but
other
than
that
we
I
have
no
problem
with
them
coming
in
there
and
as
long
as
it
doesn't
affect
the
way
that
property
is
zoned
there,
because
you
know
the
city
sometimes
constantly
changing
rules
and
stuff,
but
other
than
that.
I
have
no
major
issues
with
them
coming
there,
because
I
talked
with
these.
Ladies,
they
they
pull
in
there
in
park,
and
we
have
conversations
and
stuff.
K
But
now
so
that's
a
a
major
issue
is
because
our
neighborhood
is
where
our
street
is
a
quiet
street,
and
only
during
the
school
year
does
do.
We
have
a
lot
of
traffic,
because
the
school
buses
come
right
past
my
house
and
then
the
school
traffic
sometimes
and
people
cutting
through
trying
they're
thinking
that
they
can
come
straight
down:
First
Avenue
to
get
the
shutter
Avenue
because
they're
they
have
a
fence
that.
E
K
Off
and
there's
woods
and
stuff
behind
them,
and
so
sometimes
people
just
come
and
then
they
have
to
find
them
a
turnaround,
but
as
long
as
it
minimizes
traffic,
because
I
I
come
through
I'm
on
this
and
I
ride
through
the
street
daily
and
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
you
know
traffic
will
not
affect
me
coming
back
and
forth
to
my
home,
but
I'm
coming
for
the
project.
Now.
A
A
H
Just
a
quick
response
to
Mr
Thomas's
concerns,
and,
and
so
we
we
do
appreciate
you
coming
down
here
and
and
voicing
these
concerns.
You
know
some
purpose
of
these
public
forums
and
it's
you
know.
Local
neighborhood
citizens
are
always
encouraged
to
come
out
and
speak.
H
Like
Christian
was
saying,
this
is
only
an
intended
rezoning
for
the
two
properties
at
issue:
1147
First,
Avenue,
South
and
1110
shetter
Avenue.
The
properties
will
maintain
all
of
the
permitted
uses
for
industrial
zoning,
so
it
will
not
change
the
characteristics
of
the
property.
We're
not
anticipating
any
there's
no
contemplated
improvements
to
the
property.
There's
no
construction
going
on
the
buildings
are
not
being
connected.
The
parcels
are
not
being
combined,
so
just
I
wanted
to.
You
know,
clarify
that,
and
so.
C
H
Happy
that
I
can
and
I'm
happy
to
meet
with
you
outside
of
the
hearing
to
discuss
those
concerns
so
that
we
can
all
be
on
the
same
page.
I
think
that
that
would
probably
be
applicable
at
this
point
and
we
want
to
encourage
an
open
dialogue,
especially
with
the
neighbors.
H
As
with
regard
to
the
the
operations
on
the
1147
First
Avenue
South
parcel,
it
will
be
resale
operations,
it's
open
for
business
Monday
through
Saturday
10
a.m,
to
5
p.m.
So
it's
not.
H
Of
operation
we're
not
going
to
have
early
morning
traffic,
but
nor
you
know
anything,
past
5,
PM,
so
I
think
it's
limited
hours
for
hours
of
operation
as
far
as
the
business
that
will
be
in
there.
It's
you
know
it's!
It's
the
dean,
Thrift
operations,
the
expansion
of
what's
already
on
shatter
these.
This
is
a
fairly
quiet
business.
H
That's
you
know
in
it's
a
501c3
Community
Based
charitable
Foundation
they're,
promoted
they're
operating
thrift
stores
to
help
raise
revenue
for
their
their
their
entity
that
fights
hunger
and
homelessness
in
the
local
area.
So
this
is
just
an
expansion
of
that
with.
H
Use
as
it
is,
I
mean
there
are
a
lot
of
other
much
more
heavier,
much
more
heavy
impact
uses
that
could
go
into
these
spaces
versus
what
neem
is
trying
to
do.
We've
had
operation
from
US
20
years
now
on
the
shutter
parcel
and
then
with
this
expansion,
you're
looking
at
a
long-term
long-term
tenant
on
these
properties.
That
is
not
a
it's,
not
a
high
impact
usage,
as
would
may
be
the
case
with
other
industrial
agencies.
H
H
Said
closed
on
weekends,
no,
no
Monday
through
Saturday
10
a.m;
5
A.M,
okay
and.
C
F
H
Subject
is
no
I
I
do
not
think
so.
I
think
that
we're
promoting
you
know
a
business
that
will
have
it
will
have
retail
customers
that
will
be
coming
in,
but
currently
now
the
parcel
that
is
not
in
operation
of
1147
is
not
open
for
business.
So
obviously
there
will
be
an
increase
in
parking
there,
because
the
business
will
be
open,
but
you
know
there
is
substantial
parking.
H
There's
more
overflow
parking,
that's
required,
we'd
think
it
will
remain
in
a
quiet,
neighborhood
and,
as
I
was
saying
before
this
versus
any
you
know
a
lot
of
other
industrial
type
uses
at
the
property.
Many
those
may
cause
a
more
dramatic,
possibly
negative
impact,
whereas
I
do
not
think
that
this
would.
E
I
Have
any
average
like
visitors
per
day
to
being
currently
like
how
how
much
of
a
traffic
do
you
get
on
a
typical
day?
Do
you
have
anything
like
that?
I'd
have
to
confer
with
with
my
client
I
I,
don't
know,
but
we.
A
A
C
My
first
question
is:
what
happens
if
they
move
out,
make
the
property
size
of
PUD,
and
any
of
these
other
items
can
still
be
used?
Is
that
correct
yeah?
That
was
one.
G
C
G
Go
through
the
p2d
process,
do
a
traditional
resulting
which
again
affect
the
properties
and
then
agree
to
that
or
potentially
look
at
a
change
in
the
written
in
line
development
code
to
make
this
in
loud,
we'll
use
in
all
of
industrial,
which
also
didn't
necessarily
make
sense.
So
this
season
the
path
at
least
your
system
used
to
allowed
to
continue
and
expand
their
operation.
C
E
I
The
reasons
I
asked
fellow
businesses
to
regardless
one
of
the
reasons
I
asked
about
the
additional
uses
to
the
existing
use
right
is
that
it
really
is
just
number
one
correct
in
this
list.
That
is
right.
So,
when.
E
I
At
the
retail
trade
that
what
I
read
earlier
won't
do
it
again,
but
what
can
be
added
to
the
permitted
usage
that
seems
overarchingly
to
the
character
of
what
is
existing
now
less
impactful
than
if
it
became
a
General
warehousing,
storage,
Trucking
or
Courier
Services,
or
wholesale
trade
establishment
for
motor
vehicle
supplies?
Beer,
wine,
still
alcohol
beverages.
Those
are
all
currently
allowed
there
so
in
my
mind,
allowing
Bean
to
expand
their
for
what
seems
to
be
a
lighter.
I
If
you
will
use
retail
kind
of
establishment,
it's
not
like
a
Circle
K
is
going
in
or
anything
like
that.
In
my
mind,
it's
less
impactful
of
a
change
than
putting
a
you
know
a
beer
distributor.
There.
A
Any
further
discussion:
do
you
guys
feel
comfortable
with
record
that
you've
established
as
soon
as
what
we're
doing
what
we're
doing
I
mean
I,
think
you've
expressed.
G
Your
thoughts
and
well,
you
think
it
would
be
incompatible
use
so.
I
G
A
F
F
B
G
And
we
have
the
1K
scheduled
for
that.
Also,
the
Consultants
brought
back
the
results
from
all
the
workshops
that
we
had
at
the
council,
Workshop
related
to
the
landfillment
code
of
complim.
Those.
G
Available
through
the
presentation,
that's
on
the
website
for
the
Conklin,
a
code
change
the
update,
the
cojp
update,
and
so
you
can
kind
of
go
through
there
and
they've
got
the
percentages
of
support
or
not
support
for
the
various
items
that
were
proposed.
As
you
know,
potential
ideas
or
solutions
to
some
of
the
issues
that
were
released
during
the
previous
round
Workshop.
So
it's
very
interesting
to
see
the
results
of
what
people
thought
were
good
ideas
and
not
good
ideas.
G
G
It's
something
that's
a
lot
of
work
to
do
in
the
meantime,
as
far
as
updating
things
like
definitions
and
that
kind
of
stuff-
and
you
know,
Finding
inconsistencies
in
the
existing
code
but
we'll
be
proposing,
you
know
actual
language
and
drafts
towards
the
end
of
the
year
and
then
those
will
start
going
through
the
another
round
of
workshops
and
then
public
hearing.
So
we
are
in
the
home
stretch,
so
to
speak.
It's.
G
I
Ma'am,
the
chair
will
be
going
in
Oceania
Virginia
on
the
26th,
so
I
might
be
here.
Thank.