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B
A
Thank
you
all
right.
I
believe
we
have
two
sets
of
minutes
in
front
of
us.
C
A
A
All
right
so
minutes
from
august
27,
2018
april
26
2021.
C
Yes,
sir,
we
received
one
email
in
opposition
of
pc
4-21.
We
received
it
after
the
agenda.
Packets
went
out,
so
I
did
leave
a
copy
for
you
at
your
seats.
If
you.
D
Yes,
sir
ms
ireland,
I
received
an
email
from
mr
aldridge
at
my
business
address
too
business,
basically
saying
sure,
mr
chairman,
I
I
received
a
long
voicemail
from
mrs
aldridge.
She
was
in
opposition
of
this
deciding
on
the
agenda
tonight.
D
C
Okay,
pc
4-21
is
a
conditional
use.
Application
owner
is
maki,
cato
trust,
903
third
avenue
north
jacksonville
beach,
florida
3-2-2-5-0
applicant
is
smb
management,
llc,
10,
150,
bell,
rib
boulevard
unit,
106,
jacksonville,
florida
32208
and
the
agent
for
the
application
is
mr
peter
king
404,
west
78th
street
jacksonville
florida
32208
property
location
is
312
north
first
avenue,
and
the
request
is
for
conditional
use
approval
for
a
proposed
two
unit:
multiple
family
dwelling,
located
in
a
commercial
general
c2
zoning
district
pursuant
to
section
34
343
d11
of
the
jacksonville
beach
land
development
code.
C
C
in
june
of
2020,
the
electric
meter
was
removed
from
the
building,
rendering
the
structure
abandoned
pursuant
to
section
34
622
of
the
land
development
code.
If
a
non-conforming
use
is
discontinued
or
abandoned
for
a
period
of
more
than
six
consecutive
months,
then
such
use
may
not
be
re-established
or
resumed,
and
any
subsequent
use
shall
conform
to
the
provisions
specified
in
the
land
development
code.
C
Single-Family
uses
are
not
a
permitted
use
in
commercial
zoning
districts
and
are
considered
non-conforming.
The
previous
use
was
grandfathered
in
to
exist
as
long
as
it
remained
active.
The
owner's
representatives
through
their
agent
were
advised
that
the
existing
non-conforming
use
could
not
be
reestablished
and
in
order
to
have
a
residential
use
on
the
property
conditional
use,
approval
would
be
required
and
the
use
would
have
to
be
multi-family
based
on
the
small
lot
size.
A
two-unit
multiple-family
project
could
be
permitted.
A
All
right,
thank
you,
miss
harlan,
just
very
briefly
for
those
in
attendance.
The
manner
in
which
the
commission
hears
these
applications
is
that
staff
will
read
the
application
into
the
record,
as
ireland
has
just
done,
we
will
have
the
applicant
come
forward,
be
sworn
in,
stating
their
name
and
address,
offering
any
additional
information
that
we
have
not
heard
from
staff
fielding
any
questions
from
the
planning.
Commissioners,
following
that
I
have
a
few
speaker
cards
here.
A
Following
that,
public
portion
of
the
meeting
will
be
closed
and
discussion
will
just
be
between
the
applicant
planning,
commissioners
and
staff,
keeping
in
mind
any
any
rendering
in
favor
are
in
opposition
to
this
application.
It's
based
on,
of
course,
the
jack
speechline
development
code,
specifically
conditional
uses
section,
34,
231
and
the
11th
standard
set
forth
they're
in
that
we
have
to
base
our
renderings
on.
So
with
that.
If
the
applicant's
present.
B
E
Well,
staff
did
excellent
report,
there's
no
recommendation,
so
I
just
thought
I'd
say
some
things
on
my
con:
the
it
is
a
substandard
lot
of
record
25
footer.
I
don't
think
the
intent
originally
was
to
have
this
be
a
commercial
piece
of
property,
but
I
mean
maybe
it
wasn't
a
cbd,
but
it
really
is
a
residential
lot
and
the
my
client
would
be
okay
with
doing
single
family,
but
it's
not
permitted,
so
the
next
step
up
would
be
good
play.
D
E
So
that's
an
excellent
question.
One
of
the
reasons
why
we
chose
the
duplex
is
because
it
would
have
the
minimum
parking
spaces.
Four
would
be
required
two
per
unit.
We
can
only
fit
two
in
the
front
and
therefore
we're
going
to
have
to
follow
up
with
a
variance
for
the
additional
two
spaces
will
be
having
to
ask
for
variance
for
some
other
setback
related
issues
as
well.
Thank
you.
E
D
E
There
correct
well
the
city
code
and
staff
concurrently
if
I'm
wrong,
but
city
code
has
a
formula
that
requires
a
certain
number
of
parking
spaces
per
room.
And
if
you
look
in
your
packet,
you'll
see
that
we've
got
three
rooms.
D
E
A
Applicant
okay,
thank
you.
We
may
have
more
afterwards.
A
Mr
king,
I
had
your
your
card
in
favor
of
obviously
representing
the
applicant,
though
I
don't
need
to
hear
from
you.
I
have
two
other
speaker
cards.
I
believe
they're,
both
in
opposition
to
one
does
not
wish
to
address
the
board
so
for
the
record.
I'll
read
that
into
into
the
record
from
gail
long,
316,
first
avenue
north
in
jacksonville
beach.
B
B
F
Into
microphone
for
the
records,
willard
j,
michaud
iii
and
380
first
avenue
north
here
in
jacksonville
beach,
the
what
they're
trying
to
do
here,
I
understand
something
needs
to
be
done.
The
house
is
dilapidated
and
I
would
love
to
see
something
better
put
in
there,
but
to
put
a
multi-family
unit
on
that
25
foot
by
125
foot
lot.
I
think
it's
just
too
much
for
that
lot.
I
think
it's
going
to
be
a
real
parking
problem
in
that
area.
F
F
The
other
issue
that
I
have
there
is
that
they're
talking
about
somehow
using
the
alley
to
gain
access
to
it,
or
maybe
do
some
of
that
for
parking.
That's
a
very
low
area.
It
floods
there
and
I'm
not
talking
just
hurricane.
Just
a
good
storm
standing
water
will
be
in
those
alleys
there.
Without
doing
a
lot
of
work
to
those
alleys.
I
don't
see
how
that's
going
to
to
work
out
there,
but
our
biggest
complaint
is
mainly
going
to
be
the
number
of
cars.
F
That's
going
to
be
parked
there,
like,
I
said
my
business
is
there.
I
know
I
don't
own
the
whole
corner,
but
it's
still
a
little
bleed
over
to
where
I'm
sure
where
I'm
at
sometimes
and
it's
going
to
be
going
to
be
a
problem
and
again
that
whole
area,
not
just
that
particular
lot.
But
the
lot
next
to
me
that
I
own
it's
low
there.
F
I
mean
we
sometimes
park
our
overflow
cars
there,
and
I
have
to
be
careful
because
if
I
know
if
a
storm's
coming
in
it
can
actually
get
up
to
the
doors
on
the
car
and
most
of
those
houses
over
there.
If
you
look
and
see,
I
mean
they're
built
off-grade,
so
if
it
does
get
wet,
it
doesn't
get
wet
in
the
houses.
F
F
An
issue
for
y'all
in
the
future:
if
this
does
go
through,
you
know,
between
flooding
having
to
redo
the
alleys
that
are
there
and
again
the
parking
situation.
There's
a
lot
going
on
in
that
little
street.
Now,
I'm
not
the
only
business
owner
there,
but-
and
I
don't
you
know,
I
know
you
again-
can't
control
the
whole
corner
there,
but
it's
just
going
to
create
a
lot
more
congestion,
a
lot
more
problems
for
people
that
are
there
and
that's
basically,
all
I
have
to
say.
E
F
A
C
C
The
difference
is
that
parking
for
commercial
can't
back
up
into
the
street,
whereas
parking
for
residential
can
actually
back
up
into
the
street
right
of
way.
So
that's
one
of
the
differences
between
a
commercial
use
and
a
residential
use
from
a
parking
standpoint.
The
parking
space
sizes
are
the
same
with
the
exception
of
the
one
required
ada.
C
D
Mr
chef,
yes,
sir,
we're
talking
about
parking
when
you
look
at
the
property
now
and
you
look
at
the
parking
on
the
south
side
of
first
street,
I
drove
by
a
few
times
and
spent
some
time
looking
at
it
from
google
maps
as
well,
and
that
that
utility
right
away
is
parkable.
D
C
Overflow,
there
for
sure:
well,
they
can't,
while
people
are
allowed
to
park
in
the
right
of
way,
if,
unless
there's
signage,
that
says
they
can't
park
in
the
right
of
way,
they
can't
count
it
towards
their
parking.
So,
while
cars
can
park
out
there-
and
they
often
are
because
in
this
little
area
of
the
beach
several
businesses
and
other
uses,
don't
have
parking.
So
you
do
have
that
overflow
in
this
area
in
general,
just
for
the
uses
that
are
currently
there.
D
D
D
My
other
question
through
the
chair:
do
you
mean
this
would
be
a
question
for
the
applicant
real,
quick
yep,
mr
kate,
mr
king?
I
I'm
looking
at
the
current
survey
and
the
building
is
pushed
all
the
way
to
the
front
of
the
street.
There's
a
lot
of
room
in
the
back.
Is
there?
Is
there
the
ability,
since
it
is
in
a
commercial,
a
lot?
I
know
that
standards
we
still
need
to
conform
to
that
rn,
because
it'd
be
an
art
too.
D
E
So
the
problem
is:
is
that
when
you
start
pushing
back
now
you
have
to
stack
the
spaces.
So
if
you
stack
the
space
is
not
in
your
driveway
now
you
turn
around.
E
You
need
a
fire
department,
that's
access,
it
gets
really
messy
and
you
can't
put
a
car.
You
know
drive
by
the
building
put
a
car
in
the
back,
because
the
lot's
125
foot
wide
you
need
a
nine
foot.
You
know
for
someone
safely
depends
on.
You
know
how
much
they
drink
on
friday
night.
I
guess,
but
you
know
you
need
enough
space
to
get
past
the
house
and
then
get
in
the
back
and
do
a
four
point
turn
and
get
out
along
the
side
of
the
house
and
come
back
up
to
the
street
again.
E
D
You're,
the
architect,
not
me
and
I'm
sure
you've
looked
at
all
of
the
angles,
but
it
occurs
to
me
that
if
you
had
a
couple
of
garage
slots
in
the
front,
you
could
put
the
living
space
in
the
back.
You
wouldn't
need
the
access
to
put
the
cars
they
need
to
have
four
spots
with
battle
variants.
You
have
two.
E
E
E
D
D
D
Then
you
don't
have
the
tandem
parking?
You've
got
the
side
by
side
parking.
You
got
a
nice
little
deck
out
there.
Like
you
said
it
would
look
nice.
I
don't
know.
I
just
I
just
hate
to
see.
E
12
cars
there-
that's
just
you
see
it
all
over
the
place
yeah.
Well,
that's
that's
really,
not
the
intent,
because
that
that's
a
that's
a
use
that
requires
a
lot
more
management
system
yeah.
My
clients
wanted
to
do
and
he
would
much
rather
have
two
families
in
there
and
then
roll
it
to
another
investor
that
says
hey.
I
have
constant.
E
Around
I
I
don't
know
I
mean
I
don't
want
to
say
like
I
can
tell.
I
tell
you
what
my
investor
wants
to
do,
which
is
he
doesn't
want
to
do
a
short
term
situation.
I
mean
it
is
permitted
by
right.
E
If
we
wanted
two
stories
between
12
to
16
spaces,
plus
a
plus
of
and
if
we
did,
the
four
right
use
hotel
on
short
remote,
follow
a
hotel
or
something
now
we've
got
the
same
kind
of
parking
situation,
so
the
idea
is
just
to
just
put
something
on
this
lot
of
records.
Leave
a
lot
of
record
that
can
be
allowed,
and
the
only
thing
we
come
up
with
is
a
duplex
anything
more
than
that
would
have
more
parking
problems.
E
We
also
feel
like,
since
it's
so
close
to
third
street,
and
if
you
have
people
who
are
unfamiliar
with
the
commercial
sites,
location
and
following
the
gps
and
they're,
you
know
making
that
turn
and
they're
trying
to
find
the
spot
of
you
know,
find
the
business
and
people
on
the
new
people
who
aren't
familiar
with
the
site
coming
on
a
daily
basis.
I
think
it's
going
to
have
more
impact
on
neighbors
when
they
realize
they
have
nowhere
to
park.
E
E
So
we
feel
like,
if
you
have
some
good,
long-term
residential
tenants
who
are
knowing
where
they're
going.
This
would
actually
be
the
best
use
for
this.
Okay.
D
E
D
C
I
mean
I
don't
the
regulation
of
parking
is
the
police
department
and
unless
again,
there's
signs
that
say
no
parking
or,
like
mr
golf
said
no
walking
the
driveway,
that's
a
parking
enforcement
issue.
We
can't
really
tell
we
can't
have
more
than
five
customers
at
a
time,
so
it
would
be
whether
or
not
they're
allowed
to
park
in
the
right
of
way
or
not.
I
think,
along
that
stretch
of
street,
they
are
allowed.
There's
no
signage
other
than
you
mentioned
the
no
block
in
a
certain
driveway.
C
D
I
mean
if
it
was
a,
it
was
an
office
building
and
they
were
designated
three
spots.
We
could
have
regulated
three
spots
versus
having
12
six,
whatever
that
you
know
short-term
rental.
It
ends
up
becoming.
Has
five
cars
parked
out
front,
which
we
know
that
that's
the
case
that
we're
running
into
right
now,
six
cars,
potentially
they're
gonna,
be
parked
up
and
down
third
street.
D
You
know
I'm
just
I
was
just
wondering
if
we
could
regulate
the
the
commercial
space
more
so
than
the
residential.
So.
C
I
don't
think
you
could
regulate
either
any
differently
unless
somebody
again
is
parking
in
front
of
someone
else's
property
blocking
their
access
to
their
property
in
general.
Parking
on
street
rights
away
are
allowed
in
jax
beach.
Unless
there's
scientists
that
you
can't
that's,
I
mean
that's,
why
you
see
cars
park
up
and
down
on
the
avenues
on
busy
weekends
they
find
wherever
they
can
go.
B
How
many
other
non-residential
rental
places
are
on
the
block.
E
C
If
I
could,
mr
chair
add
to
agree
with
mr
king
here
that
it
would
not
be
possible
to
provide
three
parking
spaces
for
a
commercial
use
which
is
the
minimum
on
that
site
and
meet
the
parking
standards,
it
literally
isn't
possible
to
just
from
a
dimension
standpoint.
C
It's
going
to
fail
correct
yeah,
you
mean
if
the
variance
is
not
granted
correct,
yes,
the
use
could
be
approved
and
the
variants
could
not
be
approved
and
again,
the
board
of
adjustment
will
take
up
the
issue
of
the
number
of
parking
spaces
being
proposed
on
the
property
and
what
they
need.
Relief
for.
In
addition
to
the.
B
I
have
a
question
for
ireland:
are
we
somehow
tracking?
I
think
there
might
be
some
bit
of
consensus,
that
a
single
family
home,
replacing
the
single-family
home
might
be
the
most
reasonable
approach,
but
our
land
development
ranks
don't
allow
it.
So
are
we
kind
of
keeping
a
list
of
the
shortcomings
or
the
issues
that
are
because
I
I
I'm
sort
of
hearing
that
that's
the
most
reasonable
use
of
the
property
and
it
used
to
be
the
use
of
the
property,
but
we
don't
allow
it.
C
You're
right
yeah,
it
would
be
the
most
reasonable
use
based
on
the
lot
size,
but
since
we
don't
get
a
lot
of
requests
for
people
to
do
single
family
and
particularly
in
c2,
because
it
is
our
more
intense
commercial
zoning
district.
So
you
have
things
like
auto
repair
shops,
and
you
know
restaurants
and
things
like
that.
That
generally
don't
are
compatible
with
single
family
uses.
C
Multi-Family,
as
mr
king
mentioned,
and
I
agree,
is
a
more
transitional
use
between
the
commercial
that's
already
there,
but
no,
we
haven't
given
any
thought
to
adding
single
family
as
a
conditional
use
in
either
c1
or
c2
districts,
at
least
not
at
this
point.
In
time
there
are
no,
there
isn't
a
lot
of
requests
for
that.
B
Well-
and
I
I
guess
my
point
has
to
do
with
this
sort
of
special
nature
of
an
audibly
shaped
site,
or
you
know
that
being
able
to
look
at
the
the
uniqueness
seems
to
be
something
we're
not
able
to
do
after
six
months.
So
it's
just
something
to
think
about
yeah.
I.
A
E
Just
out
of
curiosity,
what
is
the
setback
variance
you
guys
are
going
to
be
asking
for
so
we're
going
to
ask
for
league
parking
as
we
look
forward
to
and
we're
going
to
have
to
ask
for
the
side
set
back,
even
though
the
commercial
is
zero,
because
it's
residential
staff
feels
like
we
need
to
be
asking
for
a
variance
for
the
subject
for
those
size
effects.
E
From
it,
but
I
believe,
there's
also
provision
in
the
code
that
requires
parking
to
be
back,
and
so
this
is
a-
and
I
wasn't
clear
about
that.
So
this
is
a
precaution,
we're
asking
for
the
parking
to
be
in
the
front
and.
E
E
E
E
B
D
B
Depending
on
what
which
meeting
the
voa
is
may
18th
and
june
1st,
or
coming
to
now,
I
don't
know
which
meeting
it
would
be
at,
but
those
are
releases.
E
C
I
mean
honestly,
we
prefer
to
get
the
use
of
proof
before
the
variance,
because
if
the
variance
goes,
we
bring
it
back
to
you
guys
and
then
you
end
up
disapproving
it
anyway.
The
variance
doesn't
stand
for
use,
that's
not
approved.
So
generally
we
push
them
in
the
direction
of
the
use
gets
approved.
First,
then
they
go
before
the
board
of
adjustment
due
to
variance
so
we
don't
recommend
the
other
way
around.
D
That
the
34231
postcard
drive
on
our
desk
in
front
of
us
item
eight
says:
there's
adequate
ingress
and
egress,
and
it's
designed
so
as
to
minimize
traffic
congestions
congestion
on
the
city's
roads,
and
I
think
that
kind
of
sticks
out
as
an
issue
in
my
mind,
and
I
think
it
would
make
it
hard
for
me
to
be
fully
on
board,
and
I
think
mr
king
did
a
great
job.
D
I
I
think
there's
everybody
knows
there's
congestion
everywhere
and
you
know:
there's
there's
going
to
be
with
with
six
bedrooms
there,
maybe
not
up
with
your
clients,
but
in
the
future.
There's
gonna
be
there's
gonna,
be
problems
so
I'll.
Just
point
that
out
34-31
adequate
ingress,
miss
harlan.
D
C
C
Process
and
private
property
owners
can
no
longer
apply
to
change
the
code,
so
it
would
have
to
be
at
the
direction
of
city
council
for
us
to
move
forward
with
that.
C
C
D
I
agree
with
mr
dole.
I
think
I
have
a
concern
with
the
adequate
ingress
and
egress
for
this
property,
especially
that
is
a
congested
road.
We've
got
same
halls
on
that
street,
a
lot
of
through
traffic.
I
know
that
the
cool
cars,
the
cattopia
all
of
that
stuff,
is
right
there
in
that
area
and
just
envisioning
cars.
D
C
If
you
choose
to
move
this
forward
as
approved,
you
could
make
a
recommendation
to
the
board
of
adjustment,
perhaps
that
we
could
take
to
them
that
parking
be
provided,
because-
and
I
don't
know
that
this
exact
site
plan
is
with
the
board
of
adjustment,
it
may
have
changed
some.
As
mr
king
said,
the
parking
spaces
have
moved.
B
C
To
one
side
of
the
property,
but
there's
35
feet,
there
is
room
to
put
two
parking
spaces:
they're
17
feet.
Deep,
is
the
requirement
and
you
can
tandem
them
for
residential
property
like
this,
so
you
know,
even
with
you
know,
making
the
building
a
little
bit
smaller.
Perhaps
they
could
fit
four
spaces
and
meet
the
requirement
they've
chosen
not
to
for
whatever
reason
you
know.
I
don't
have
that
information,
but
that
could
be
just
just
an
option
for
you
guys.
C
C
Right
because
they've
requested
just
the
two
spaces,
and
that
is
their
you
know,
purview
to
grant
those
or
not,
but
again
there's
room
on
the
property
to
do
it.
Based
on
this
site
plan
again
that
I'm
looking
at,
I
don't
have
the
voa
case
in
front
of
me.
I
don't
have
that.
I
did
bring
it,
but
I
do
think
that
there
is
room
for
them
to
add
those
four
parking
spaces
which
would
make
it
meet
the
requirement.
B
B
Or
do
I
have
a
question?
Actually?
Can
I
just
say
something
before
you,
while
we're
still
talking
about
this,
because
one
of
the
things
ms
ireland
just
said,
is
that
you
couldn't
do
it
or
it
would
be
difficult
to
do
it
as
a
plain
unit
development
and
it
would
be
the
tiniest
pud
in
the
city,
I'm
not
sure
that
I'm
concerned
about
it
being
the
tiniest
threat
in
the
city
and
the
planning
developments
are
supposed
to
be
because
the
site
is
special
in
some
way
or
can
take
into
account.
B
The
specialness
or
the
oddness
uniqueness,
so
is,
is
a
pud
a
process
onerous
in
the
city
of
jazz
beach.
Is
that
what
we're
saying
it.
C
Is
just
like
any
other
rezoning,
it
comes
before
you
guys,
and
that
goes
to
city
council
for
two
readings.
It's
not
it's
something
that
the
applicant
would
have
to
want
to
to
go
forward
with
changing
the
zoning
of
the
property
thousand
dollar
application
fee.
So
it
is
a
long,
much
longer
process
to
get
there
than
to
request
a
conditional
use
approval
which
is
kind
of
usually
a
one-stop
shop
through
you
guys,
not
the
multi-step
process
that
goes
to
city
council,
like
a
pd
rezoning
is
okay.
B
C
B
A
D
B
A
C
Planning
department
report
was
ireland,
so
a
couple
items
here.
First
and
most
importantly,
I
want
to
introduce
you
all
to
christian
papoli,
who
is
the
new
senior
planner
in
our
department,
and
I'm
like
super
excited,
got
no
idea.
How
excited
we
we
stole
him
from
the
city
of
jacksonville.
Also,
that
makes
me
feel
better,
so
he's
gonna
be
doing
all
the
stuff
that
I've
been
doing
the
last
six
years,
so
you
guys
will
see
him
at
the
meetings
now
most
of
the
time.
Instead
of
me,
let's
see.
B
C
If
you,
so,
if
you
need
him,
let
me
know
we'll
give
you
his
contact
information
to
get
in
touch
with
him.
Our
next
meeting
is
tentatively
on
june
14th.
I
think
we
might
have
one
case
for
that.
Not
the
second
may
meeting,
though
so,
enjoy
some
time,
and
then
we
have
a
council
workshop
scheduled
for
may
24th.
It's
going
to
be
at
6
00
pm
to
discuss
a
potential
proposed
project
at
beech
marine,
and
I
will
send
you
all
an
invitation
to
that.
It
is
optional.
C
If
you
want
to
attend
and
listen
in
it
will
be
an
in-person
meeting
here
in
council
chamber
chambers
may
24th
at
six,
so
I
will
get
that
invitation
out
to
you
guys
if
you're
interested
in
attending.
If
you
have
any
questions
on
that,
let
me
know
and
as
always
thank
you.
C
It's
just
a
proposed
project.
They
want
to
do
a
beach
marine,
so
the
developers
and
the
landowner
are
going
to
come
in
and
talk
about.
You
know
what
they
want
to
do
and
from
staff's
side,
we'll
just
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
the
process,
and
you
know
the
things
that
they
have
to
go
through
to
actually
do
what
they
are
proposing
to
do
so.