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Charter Review Commission Meeting 091819
A
C
B
E
B
The
first
item
on
the
agenda
is
item
number
three
public
comment:
there
be
anyone
present
that
wishes
to
make
this
woman
there's
there's
to
be
no
one.
That
wants
to
engage
this
in
public
comment.
Then.
The
next
item
is
the
minutes
and
I
ask
of
you.
There
were
lengthy.
We
had
a
long
meeting
discussed
many
things,
I'll
ask
if
you
want
to
make
any
amendments,
we
want
a
formal
reading
or
you
want
to
approve
them,
as
submitted
by
the
secretary
I.
B
B
A
D
B
B
As
felonies
what
and
then
the
lesser
offenses
are
classified
as
misdemeanors,
and
there
say
a
Class
C
misdemeanor,
speeding
that
type
of
an
offense
which
is
very
minor
offense.
That's
why
it's
limited
from
Class
B
criminal,
trespass
that
type
of
offense
and,
of
course,
any
theft.
And
then
there
are
some
offenses
I
think
under
chapter
39,
that
may
be
classified
as
a
Class
A
misdemeanor,
but
they
involve
official
misconduct.
They
involve
misuse
of
office
abuse
of
office.
That
type
of
thing,
which
is
more
related
to
sitting
in
a
governmental
body.
B
It
was
abducting
conviction,
see
if
you're
not
convicted.
You
know,
there's
gonna
be
a
gray
area
because
generally
it
used
to
be
that
you
could
get
deferred
adjudication.
You
would
plead
guilty
and
the
judge
would
defer
entering
a
judgment
of
conviction
and
place
you
on
under
supervision,
but
then
the
Texas
Legislature
said
no.
You
can't
do
this
anymore.
If
you
plead
guilty
to
driving
more
intoxicated,
you
can't
get
for
education.
So
then
they
created
something
called
pretrial
diversion,
which
means
you
still
go
under
separation.
B
You
never
you
don't
plead
guilty
and
you
comply
with
some
supervision
for
a
period
of
time
and
the
offense
the
charge
is
dismissed.
So
if
that
happens,
of
course,
you've
not
been
convicted,
so
you
know
there's
some
escape
hatches
because,
as
you
know,
if
you're
a
police
officer
and
you're
a
fireman,
if
you're
a
federal
agent,
a
driving
while
intoxicated
of
fans
is
considered
a
very
serious
offense
people
die
on
the
highways,
because
a
very
well
intoxicated,
yes,
sir.
G
It's
pretrial
diversion
if
it's
a
deferred,
adjudication
and
there's
no
conviction
at
the
end
of
the
day,
then
that's
the
fair
thing
under
the
walk
to
do
is
there's
no
conviction
and
I,
wouldn't
call
it
a
gray
area
and
said:
there's
a
conviction
that
there's
nothing
there's
nothing,
there's
not
a
conviction.
Well,.
B
Of
course,
you
know
you
and
I
as
lawyers
both
know
that
it's
an
escape
hatch
to
let
people
off
lightly,
whether
they
committed
the
offense
or
not.
Now,
sometimes
the
evidence
is
not
there.
You
right,
but
to
me
it's
a
gray
area
because
you
did
it,
you
got
arrested
and
then
you
go
to
the
DA's
office
and
you
get
some
consideration
because
of
who
you
are
or
because
of
what
you
do.
I
mean
that's
an
effect
of
life,
but.
G
That's
the
world
the
way
the
world
turns
I
mean
the
March
and
you
know
is
five
equally
to
everybody,
and
yet
some
people
have
you
know
you
get
better
deals
and
others
you
know
whatever
it
is.
You
want
to
call
it,
but
I
mean
there's
a
call.
That's
made
over
the
DA,
not
the
president,
or
to
provide
that
Avenue
for
getting
me
to
the
end
of
that.
You
know
the
kind
of
sentencing
they
comply.
I
think,
that's.
You
know.
You've
gotta
be
equal
to
everybody
that
has
gone
through
this
process.
G
I
mean
you
know
to
me.
It's
like
it's.
It's
telling
an
equal
protection
thing.
You
know
it
says
like
okay,
what
you're
suggesting
I
think
listen
to
me.
What
you're
saying
is
that
for
for
public
officials
there's
a
zero
tolerance.
You
know
for
any
of
these
things
that
you
know,
even
if
they
don't
even
the
conviction,
there's
a
gray
area
and
the
week
we
can
actually
have
the
the
Liberty.
H
B
We
can't
second-guess
you
know.
Sometimes
the
arresting
officer
makes
mistakes.
Sometimes
the
evidence
is
not
there,
and
so
some
cases
get
resolved
in
that
fashion
and
sometimes
in
order
to
to
avoid
the
trial,
even
though
you
feel
you're
innocent,
you
agree
to
a
pre-trial
diversion,
it
doesn't
mean
you're
guilty,
and
so
that's
why
it's
worded
in
terms
of
a
final
conviction
for
a
criminal
offense.
What.
G
B
B
C
G
B
B
F
B
F
B
E
B
D
I
A
I
A
I
B
And
do
you
want
me
to
repeat
the
definition
again?
It's
a
a
crime
involving
moral
turpitude
is
defined
as
a
new
offense
under
the
Texas
Penal
Code,
which
is
classified
as
a
felony,
Class,
B
misdemeanor
or
any
offense
involved.
Any
theft
or
official
misconduct
under
Chapter
39
of
the
Texas
Penal
Code.
E
H
B
A
B
They
mean
before
is
anybody
second,
in
fact,
there's
a
second
I
had
asked
miss
Rubin.
To
give
us
the
copy
is
at
least
an
excerpt
of
the
ethics
ordinance.
The
Ethics
Commission
under
the
Charter
simply
states
how
the
Ethics
Commission
is
created
and
so
go
to
is
fair
game
to
discuss
under
the
publication
and.
B
The
the
issue
that
I
have
with
your
motion
from
her,
if
you
will
see
under
the
Code
of
Ethics
ordinance,
which
is
an
ordinance
adopted
by
the
City
Council,
it
specifies
what
the
jurisdiction
is,
and
you
would
be
surprised
to
learn
that
a
violation
of
the
city
charter
thus
is
not
mentioned
as
the
items
which
confer
jurisdiction
on
the
on
the
Ethics
Commission.
So
just
so
that
you
understand
that
I,
don't
know
if
your
motion
can
be
done
in
such
a
way,
so
that
the.
B
The
problem
is
that
you
know
this
is
a
matter
that
was
handled
by
ordinance
and
we're
now
going
to
assert
one
particular
item
that
confers
jurisdiction.
That
is
not
under
the
ethics
ordinance.
I,
don't
know
if
I'm
making
it
clear,
see
the
jurisdiction
of
the
ethics
code
talks
about
an
alleged
violation.
B
Of
the
ethics
code
from
time
to
time
by
ordinance,
says
an
alleged
violation
of
regulations
concerning
lobbying
or
a
member
of
any
board
or
Commission,
for
which
the
position
is
appointed
by
City
Council,
an
alleged
violation
of
local
campaign
finance
regulations
enacted
from
time
to
time
by
ordinance
and
an
alleged
violation
of
section
1201
of
the
city
charter.
Provided,
however,
that
the
Ethics
Commission
has
no
jurisdiction
to
find
her
conclude
that
a
city,
official
or
employee
has
forfeited
his
or
her
officer
possession.
And
if
you
will
look
12:01.
B
I
There
has
been
other
cities
and
that
you
could
confer
jurisdiction
in
this
paragraph
as
to
what
they
have
jurisdiction
over
right
now.
It
just
says
any
standards
of
conduct
within
the
code,
but
you
could
say
an
addition.
Certain
provisions
of
the
Charter,
all
the
provisions
of
the
Charter
or
you
know,
reserved
certain
provisions,
because
there
are
in
fact
provisions
such
as
a
nepotism
and
other
ones
that,
even
if
there's
a
violation,
there's
really
nothing.
That
can
be
done
because
it
doesn't
say
what
the
penalty
is.
No
there's
nobody
to
investigate
it.
I
So
there
is
kind
of
a
I
guess.
It's
reason
to
have
to
do
it,
because
there
really
is
something
that
needs
to
I.
Think
that
is
something
that
was
left
out
and
it
should
have
been
addressed
in
there
just
to
confer
jurisdiction.
That's
not
already
conferred
to
Council
or
another
agency
should
revert
to
the
Ethics
Commission.
So.
F
The
purpose
of
of
this
amendment
would
be
to
include
the
whole
Charter
so
that
in
future
situations,
the
Commission
that
the
Ethics
Commission
will
be
unable
to
say
we
can
handle
that
matter,
because
it's
not
specifically
mentioned
because
they're
in
the
two
or
three
items
here
that
released
that
are
specifically
listed
so
I,
since
the
Charter
is
the
governing
instrument
for
the
city.
That's
why
I
make
the
second
that
any
violation
of
the
Charter
would
be
a
violation
of
the
ethics
code.
J
I
Will
just
make
a
recommendation
unless
otherwise
prohibited
by
law
or
furnace,
otherwise
governed
by
another
body
or
individual,
because,
for
example,
municipal
silver
service
has
jurisdiction
in
here
with
regards
to
other
matters.
So
does
the
council
sort
of
city
manager
so
would
really
be
just
those?
Yet
there
is
nobody.
Okay,.
B
G
B
G
Yes,
sir
I'm
concerned
that
we're
going
to
have
like
violations,
the
Charter
unintentional,
deliberate,
deliberate
violation,
City
Charter,
that
the
mens
rea,
the
intention
of
the
other
parties
doing
this,
we
didn't
mean
to
do
it
type
of
thing,
I'm
concerned
that
that's
gonna
be
an
ethics
violation,
you
know
and
they
had
known
the
intensity.
So
it
was
like
my
accident
type
of
thing,
but
ignorance.
Perhaps
you
could
even
say
it's
not
an
excuse,
but
sometimes
it
can't
be
it's
there.
You
know
there's
a
lot
of
things
that
city
charter
you
show
tonight.
G
You
know
if
something
takes
guidance
from
a
lawyer
to
be
able
to
tell
you
whether
or
not
you're,
in
compliance
and
I'm
concerned
that
we're
gonna
be
like
going
on
on
a
witch-hunt
here
on
some
of
these
and
some
of
these
so-called
City
Charter
violations,
and
you
that
using
the
Ethics
Commission
is
a
way
to
wage
a
campaign
against
somebody,
who's
holding
office
or
some
employee
of
the
city
and
so
forth.
That's.
D
A
B
C
B
A
B
G
We
should
have
augmentation
innovation
of
these
types
of
offenses
that
can
go
to
the
violence
in
charging
go
and
we
just
heard
of
somebody
being
sanctioned
with
attorneys
fees
for
filing
a
frivolous
complaint
with
the
Ethics
Commission,
which
is
another
issue
that
we
should
probably
address.
Sometime
down.
The
road
here
can
have
citizens
being
sanctioned
for
doing
that,
but
we
need
to
be
concerned
about
having,
like
the
whole,
in
a
ball
of
wax
being
available
to
to
go
to
the
Ethics
Committee.
G
Oh,
that's
a
violation
of
the
city,
the
city
charter,
let's
go
to
the
Ethics
Commission
and
get
them
to
go
ahead
and
try
that
case
I'm
concerned.
This
is
gonna,
be
like
a
free-for-all.
You
know
and
they
were
ending
game
of
a
game
and
if
I
could
put
it
that
way,
political
gamesmanship
and
using
it
as
a
way
of
waging
work.
B
J
B
And
so
what
I
wanted
to
propose
is
that
we
consider,
under
the
budget,
adding
a
wording
that
says.
Temperature
for
$5,000
under
the
budget
shall
be
allowed
unless
approved
by
the
affirmative
vote
or
five
council
members.
The
way
they
can't
have
more
than
five
thousand
dollars
in
discretionary
funds.
B
I
B
J
B
A
Sniffs
well,
what
I
was
hoping
that
yeah
I
believe
you're
on
the
right
track?
What's
an
employer
has
an
ordinance
to
authorize
any
and
there
is
$50,000
and
any
time
that
amount
is
going
to
be
there
lower
the
race
they
have
to
do
public
hearings
and
all
that
has
to
be
the
ordinance
has
to
be
amended
and
that's
why
I
think
we
need
an
ordinance.
Not
just
you
know,
really
nearly
that's.
Why
I've
been.
J
J
F
J
H
A
I
I
I
I
That
may
be
a
factor
that
that
was
considered
by
the
developers,
but
in
fact,
at
the
ordinate
itself
showed
that
it
was
done
for
a
variety
of
reasons.
As
the
fire
to
the
chief
stated.
As
utility
director
stated,
it
was
for
existing
services
to
preserve
him
and
to
ensure
that
they
were
sufficient
for
the
community
as
it
exists
now,
and
it
did
help
for
future
development,
but
not
any
particular
customer
and
that's
what
that's
for
heavy
like.
F
I
F
A
I
That's
not
why
and
again.
This
is
under
the
exceptions
to
capital
program.
Not
under
you
raise
in
utility
rates
and
and
every
year
we
have
to
have
submit
a
capital
program,
the
projects
that
we're
gonna
have
for
the
year,
and
this
is
not
a
project
we
can
have.
We
cannot
have
this
considered
as
a
project
just
for
one
or
two
developers,
so
it's
different
from
the
reason
we
raised
utility
rates.
It
has
nothing
to
do
with
it
if
it
benefits
the
developers.
J
Some
of
the
developers
from
what
I'm
remembering
were
complaining
that
the
existing
system
was
so
bad
or
not
so
bad,
but
it
was
bad
to
sense
that
there
are
expansion
of
whatever
they
were
doing.
They
couldn't
do
it
because
of
the
existing
system,
so
they
were
for
fixing
the
existing
system,
and
so
that
was
part
of
it
were
the
bond
money
and
utility
director
was
wanting
to
do
it
for
the
existing
system,
not
for
them,
but
they
benefited
because
once
they
fix
the
existing.
A
I
J
A
B
So
he
may
have
been
wrong.
I
don't
know
if
it
was
frivolous,
but
the
bottom
line
is
you
can't
expand
funds
to
help
a
developer,
but
obviously
you
know
some
of
those
water
lines
are
very
old
within
existing
infrastructure,
and
so
it's
alright
to
do
it.
You
know,
if
you're
doing
it
to
correct
the
infrastructure
currently
existing
within
the
city.
Just
so
long
as
you're
not
doing
it
will
help
extend
the
line,
and
that
actually
goes
into
the
new
development.
Is
that.
H
A
Most
of
the
that
is
what
is
being
spent
mostly
for
the
existing
135
million
dollars
for
the
existing,
but
there
were
forty
five
million
dollars
for
new
development
I'm,
just
stating
the
facts
that
the
utility
manager
himself
stated
so
I'm,
not
making
anything
up.
No
one
thought
we're
not
accusing
you
of
me
yeah,
no,
not.
A
J
B
A
No,
but
you
could
require
an
ordinance,
because
the
Charter
already
has
certain
things
that
require
an
ordinance
there's
11
things
so
I
knew
that
that
discretionary
funds
would
require
an
ordinance
arts
district
priority
funds.
We
could
have
that
you
want
to
make
a
motion
in
yeah.
I
would
like
to
make
a
motion
to
it:
district
priority
funds
to
require
an
ordinance
and
to
be
added
to
that
section
of
the
Charter
that
says
actions
requiring
an
ordinance.
It
would
be
my
multi.
A
A
F
A
Page
10,
being
that
it's
section
2.08
and
it's
not
in
today's
agenda,
I
would
like
to
for
next
time
to
consider
amending
section,
2.08
actions
requiring
an
ordinance
to
include
the
process
of
discretionary
funds
or
disparate
funds,
to
require
enormous
for
next
time,
because
it's
not
on
two
days
at
the
end
of
so
we
just
have
to
do
it.
The
right
way
could.
J
B
G
J
Point
six
city,
council,
districts,
a
is
number
of
districts.
There
shall
be
a
city
council
districts,
B,
redistricting,
commission,
City
Council
shall
appoint
216
registered
City
voters
who
shall
come
from
comprise
the
redistricting
commission.
The
Commissioner
shall
not
be
employed
by
the
city
in
any
capacity.
J
Each
council
member
will
appoint
two
commissioners
see
report
specifications
by
the
first
day
of
January
after
every
federal
census,
where,
as
soon
as
feasible
after
release
of
a
sort
of
certificate,
verifiable
population
figures
by
the
federal
census,
the
redistricting
commission
shall
file
a
report
with
the
seer
Secretary
containing
a
recommended
plan
for
adjustment
of
the
city
council.
Districts.
Boundaries
comply
with
these
specifications.
1
each
district
shall
have
shall
form
a
compact,
continuous
territory
as
nearly
rectangular
as
possible,
and
the
boundary
line
shall
follow
the
center
line
of
the
street.
J
Each
district
shall
contain
as
nearly
as
possible
the
same
number
of
people,
but
did
but
districts
shall
not
so
different.
The
population,
by
more
than
10%
of
the
population
of
the
smallest
district
created
the
report
shop,
including
map
and
description
of
the
district
recommended
and
so
be
drafted
and
proposed
to
a
proposed
ordinance
once
fell
to
the
C
Circuit
Airport
shall
be
introduced
as
an
ordinance
to
City
Council
members
by
the
City
Council
members
procedure.
J
The
procedure
for
this
council,
the
duration
of
the
report,
shall
be
as
for
other
ordinances,
provided
that
the
summary
of
the
ordinance
is
published
pursuant
to
section
2.09.
It
must
include
both
map
and
description
of
the
recommended
districts.
Failure
to
enact
a
redistricting
ordinance.
The
council
shall
adopt
the
nor
des
no
more
than
90
days
from
the
date
of
the
introduction,
if
not
adopted
by
the
City
Council.
By
the
91st
day,
the
report
of
the
redistricting
commission
shall
be
deemed
to
have
been
adopted.
J
Enactment
the
new
council
districts
and
boundaries
as
the
180
first
thing
after
adoption
of
the
redistricting
ordinance
shall
supersede
previous
council
districts
boundaries
for
our
proposed
for
all
purposes
of
the
next
regular
city
election,
the
new
districts
and
boundary.
Shell
supersede
previous
districts
and
boundaries
for
all
other
purposes.
As
the
date
on
which
that
all
the
City
Council
members,
members
elected
at
the
regular
city
election,
take
office,
incumbents
options
and
redistricting
changes,
gene
the
redistricting
changes
affect
the
boundaries
of
the
district
that
a
particular
council
member
represents
as
follows.
J
A
total
of
six
years
original
council
districts
will
now
have
a
two-year
unexpired
term
open
for
another
candidate
to
seek
election
to
to
a
council
member
complying
with
a
final
second
term
of
office
may
a
just
to
finish
out.
The
term
of
the
councilmember
was
elected
to
represent
in
the
original
district
or
being
choose
not
to
represent
the
district,
and
thus
the
two-year
unexpired
term
is
left
vacant
before
election.
F
F
But
there
are
a
lot
more
registered
voters
in
some
district
persons,
another
distance,
and
on
top
of
that
that
some
districts
have
a
lot
less
people
voting,
regardless
of
the
number
of
people
that
they
have
registered
to
vote.
So
the
issue
is
that
in
some
in
a
district,
councilman
is
elected
by
not
more
votes
than
in
other
parts
of
the
city.
F
G
We
could
have
at
large
people
representing
the
moneyed
interest.
We
can
do
that
too,
and
maybe
some
puppets
there
in
the
in
the
mix
I
mean
you
know
the
arguments
that
it's
people
that
are
being
represented
by
whoever's
that,
like
that
from
that
district
people,
the
people,
the
number
of
people
do
you
know.
G
B
J
Get
those
numbers
go
through
better
morrow
and
will
he
mail
to
everybody?
So
everyone
has
thank
you
for
district
city
white
of
her
district
and
then
we'll
try
to
get
also
the
census
of
how
many
people
actually
live
in
the
district.
I
think
we
can
get
that
information
and
we'll
give
you
that
information.
Those.
A
B
B
B
J
J
J
H
B
A
H
This
was
snuck
in
it's
nothing
right,
personal
opinion
that
it
was
snuck
in
and
when
you
look
upon
sponsors
but
that's
another,
but
the
intent
was.
If
going
this
way,
you
would
have
to
register
more
people
to
call
for
a
recall
than
then
actually
voted
in
the
election.
Yes,
so
the
original
was
10%
of
those
people
have
voted
in
that
election
and
I
would
move
that.
We
go
back
to
that.
There's.
G
I'm
opposed
to
that
diametrically
opposed
that.
You
know
a
handful
of
voters
from
a
district.
Even
the
number
people
who
voted
you
know
figured
Lee
speaking
could
actually
force
a
recall
election
right.
The
minority
people,
the
people
who
are
basically
the
losers
in
the
election.
You
know,
can
wait
campaign
recall
campaign,
you
know
an
attack,
a
person
they
lost
to.
G
Let's
go
ahead,
and
do
you
call
them,
though
you
know
they
didn't
like
the
person,
who's
elected
people,
we
work
them
I'm,
not
we
didn't
support
them,
so
we're
gonna
go
ahead
and
and
no
file
for
Rico,
you
know
and
because
we
only
had
you
know,
only
need
10
percent
of
the
people
who
voted
there
could
be
a
hundred
voters.
It
could
be
even
less
you
could
a
little
bit
more.
Is
that
any
way
to
run
into
mark
a
little
democracy?
Don't
have
always
liked
the
to
office
by?
G
Let's
say
60%
of
the
vote
and
then
10
percent
of
the
voters
do
about
it
and
go
ahead
and
recall
them
hey.
Is
that
the
way
with
what
our
party
doors
do
have
merry-go-round
in
her
and
our
City
Council
many
cities
and
I
did
a
lot
research
on
this
last
time,
I
long,
because
I
served
in
the
revision
Commission
last
time
you
know
there's
a
lot
of
research
on
this
many
cities
even
have
it
up
to
40%
of
the
registered
voters.
35
percent,
it's
higher
in
that
lower
10
percent.
G
When
they
went
to
10
percent
of
the
of
the
motor
of
people
who
voted.
It
was
a
change
from
the
previous
senior
charter
provision
that
allowed.
You
know
that
provided
for
10
percent
the
feet,
the
register,
the
district,
so
maybe
they
snuck
that
one
in
so
so
all
I'm.
Seeing
here
is
that
you
know
we
want
to
make
it
easier
to
recall
people
they
have
a
recall
election
doesn't
mean
that
they're
going
to
win
is
just
a
recall
election.
You
know
text
payers,
foot
the
bill
for
that.
You
know.
G
You've
got
a
recall
election
and
then
just
do
it
again.
Maybe
they
get
a
recall,
we
put
them
in
office,
then
the
people
who
are
recall
think
maybe
they
go
after
them
to
refocus
and
we'll
have
them.
That's
no
way
to
run
a
government,
and-
and
you
know,
I
I
would
really
and
miners
people
that
think
hard
about
making
that
move
again,
because
we
would
be
like
the
city
with
the
least
number
of
people
required
registered
voters
or
people
who
would
actually
sign
a
petition
to
have
a
recall
election.
G
J
Just
depends
on
the
district.
Some
districts
you
have
I
would
say
about
1500
2500.
Some
districts
have
six
seven
thousand
people
folk.
It
just
depends
on
the
district
number
of
candidates.
I
mean
this.
Last
time
we
had
12
candidates
in
district
number
six,
and
so
that
was
a
little
bit
harder
than
the
argument
that
mr.
Ryan
I've
just
mentioned.
Those
were
conversations
or
I
guess
points
of
views
that
the
council
has
several
councilmen
have
the
same
point
of
view.
J
F
So
but
we
had
10%
of
the
other
people
who
voted.
How
long
did
we
have
that
provision
1981
20
years
yeah
I
name
goes
to
it.
Anyone
or
40
has
been
working
with
over
40
years
of
one
recall
election.
So
I,
don't
I,
don't
see
an
abuse
here.
On
the
other
hand,
if
you
put
the
figure
so
high,
it's
never
going
to
happen.
You're
never
going
to
have
you're,
never
going
to
recall
a
politician.
A
an
officeholder,
regardless
of
the.
F
D
And
I
appreciate,
you
know
the
discussion
that
I'm
hearing
here
is
very
good
discussion.
You
know
my
my
observations
here
are
essentially
to
that
in
the
last
referendum,
where
the
voters
decided,
the
outcome
was
a
two
to
one
to
pass
and
I
hear
that.
Maybe
something
might
have
missed
nothing,
but
I
can
see
it
made
me.
It
passed
by
5%
rate,
but
two
to
one
to
me
is
a
pretty
resounding
margin
and
I.
D
B
J
C
G
My
concern
is
over
the
potential.
Well,
there
is
existed
a
potential,
an
avenue
for
utilizing
that
opportunity.
That
process
is
opportunistic.
We
did
what
I
did
my
research
was
accepted.
It
was
really
extensive
research
on
this
issue.
You
know,
I
looked
at
City,
Council,
recall
elections
in
Houston,
awesome
in
the
San
Antonio
summer
or
whatever
favorite
sons
running
for
president
William
gussto
was
recalled
because
he
supported
and
unpopular
ordinance
the
people
in
Houston.
They
supported
the
council.
G
Members
were
being
subject
to
recall
because
they
supported
a
ordinance
providing
equal
rights
for
all
citizens,
regardless
of
their
sexual
orientation.
The
same
was
true
and
about
so
they
were
recalled
because
it
sounds
up
so
understand
that
recall
elections
may
come
from
anywhere
any
corner.
You
know,
unannounced,
all
of
a
sudden
because
of
unpopular
decisions
that
City
Council
members.
G
You
know
some,
you
know
potential
events
that
moral
turpitude
recall.
They
can
recall
it
never
mind
them
like
you
know:
a
porphyrin
forfeit
their
office,
maybe
Rico
for
any
damage,
a
good
reason,
the
bad
reason,
but
yeah-
and
so
that's
been
my
concern.
When
I
saw
that
I
said
we
cannot
Jeff,
you
know
what
is
put
it
down
to
tempers
of
the
what
it
and
people
just
said.
G
A
few
people,
boats
I,
can
you
imagine
how
many
big
petitioners
have
to
sign
then
get
a
recall
election
going
I
mean
it's
at
fair,
the
people
who
bought
it
for
this
he's
gonna
to
go
to
office
to
go
ahead
and
then
be
subjected
to
defending
their.
You
know
their
right
to
have
an
elected
that
into
office
and
face
a
recall
election,
because
you
know
someone
decided
that
preciously
perhaps
decided
that
that
person
need
to
give
it.
They
don't
get
me
caught
because
they
didn't
support
the
right
ordinance
or
were
supporting
the
wrong
organs.
G
And
that's
that's
been
my
concern.
You
know,
and
and
and
I
continue
to
have
that
concern
I
and
I.
Again.
Let's
study
this
check
out
all
the
different
but
possibilities
that
exist,
because
we,
if,
if
we
have
one
reflow
election,
the
next
two
years,
ten
years
for
no
good
reason,
you
know
and
and
and
let
it
you
know
in
it-
comes
to
pass
because
we
passed
this,
they
got
ten
percent
of
people
who
voted
and
ten
percent
of
the
people
who
are
registered
vote,
that's
how
they
got
the
Rico.
A
B
F
F
F
It's
it's
in
the
future.
It
becomes
a
problem
we
can
address
it
then,
but
right
now
it
hasn't
been.
It
hasn't
been
a
problem
and
so
on
ten
percent
register.
Voters
is
it's
a
very
high
number
to
get
to
get
people
to
it's?
It's
it's.
If
you
put
it
high
enough,
it's
not
gonna
happen.
It's
simple
of
that
and
the
reason
why
recall
elections
have
have
happiness
because
well
you
cited
some
examples
that
were.
B
A
C
B
As
I
understand
it,
the
city
secretary
is
basically
is
the
city
manager
shall
recommend
the
city
secretary,
whose
appointment
shall
be
confirmed
by
the
affirmative
vote
of
no
less
than
five
council
members
and
the
city
secretary
may
be
removed
from
office
by
the
affirmative
vote
of
no
less
than
five
councilmen.
So
basically
it's
a
city
manager's
prerogative
to
recommend,
and
then
the
council
either
a
loser
does
not
approve
and.
B
C
F
B
So
will
will
address
also
the
clerk
of
the
Municipal
Court
and
Planning
and
Zoning
director,
and
let
me
just
tell
you
at
the
outset:
I'm
a
strong
proponent
of
the
city
manager,
form
of
government
and
you're
gonna.
Take
power
away
from
the
city
manager,
then
just
to
get
rid
of
him
and
have
fellow
politicians
run
the
city.
I
B
C
B
J
J
In
the
situation
see
city
secretary,
it
says
report
tool
and
be
evaluated
by
the
city
manager,
yet
I
deal
mostly
with
the
City
Council,
and
so
that
was
something
that
you
all
might
want
to
consider.
The
other
thing
is
City
Council
directly
may
terminate
my
position
and
the
auditors
and
the
other
ones
that
you'll
see
with
right
now
those
have
to
come
from
recommendations
from
city
manager
determinate,
so
my
facility
secretary
position
and
the
auditor
are
a
little
bit
different
than
everybody
else's.
J
So
that
was
one
of
the
issues
and
on
a
personal
issue
with
a
prior
administration,
I
had
issues
and
I
don't
want
to
dive
into
it
too
much,
but
there's
times
where
I
didn't
agree
with
what
was
being
recommended
by
the
manager
and
so
I
was
always
told
you
work
for
me,
which
I
worked
for
the
city,
and
so
that
was
an
issue.
I
had
so
I'd
rather
report
to
nine
individuals
as
a
council
not
individually,
but
as
a
council
then
to
one
person
yeah.
Everyone
has
a
different
opinion,
but
does
my
in.
J
B
G
G
G
G
And
I
can
certainly
understand
the
city
manager,
form
of
government
versus
strong
mayor
form
of
government.
Mr.
chair,
but
certainly
I
mean
we're
talking
about
changing
relationships
here
you
know
in
the
city
charter,
so
we
have,
we
have
what
evidence
or
what
information
do
we
have?
That
with
that
would
be,
is
one
where
the
other
I.
G
B
B
G
Can
see
where
the
theory
of
government
that
we
have
any
but
of
whole
this
it's
something
that
we
could.
Actually
you
know
passed
judgment
on.
I
said
this
is
the
way
should
work,
but
they
also
think
that
that
understanding,
the
real
world,
you
know
how
it
really
works.
You
know
is
it's.
It's
also
helpful
and
trying
to
make
us
understand,
but
helping
us
understand.
You
know
whether.
B
E
You
know,
oh
that's
the
reason
for
my
question,
which
was
this
we're
being
asked
to
consider
in
this
case
your
neck.
Your
your
your
item,
G
in
mr.
little
over
the
internal
auditor,
is
we're
being
asked
to
consider.
Shall
we
continue
the
way
we
have
the
the
how
we're
set
up
right
now
or
or
what
what's
the
alternative
either.
J
I,
don't
speak
for
the
auditor,
the
current
person
there
and
the
only
reason
that
these
ads
were
considered
again,
I.
Think
at
the
time
last
month,
Commission
asked
about
the
city
attorney
in
the
city
secretary
I
said:
would
you
want
to
consider
other
positions
that
the
council
has
I
get
some
fire
and
you
all
said
yes,
and
so
that's
the
only
reason
here
that
there's
an
issue
not
there's
any
problems.
I
haven't
heard
of
any
from
their
positions.
F
To
hear
your
sentiments
a
few
minutes
ago,
the
manager
type
of
government,
theoretically
that
that's
what
we
did
way
back
when
in
the
early
eighties
and
we
divided
the
power
council
was
administrator,
I
mean
legislature
and,
and
that
manager
was
administrative,
so
I
for
one
would
want
to
maintain
the
city
secretary
in
in
the
same
situation
that
he's
in
that
it's
the
manager
who
recommends
instead
of
giving
that
position
to
the
county
level.
That
would
be
giving
too
much
power.
F
B
J
C
B
I
My
obligations
to
the
City
Council,
and
so
it
does
create
difficulty,
but
it
would
have
to
be
honestly
I
mean
it
depends
on
any
particular
city
manager,
any
particular
council.
So
I
don't
think
it
should
be
based
on
my
experience.
I
might
list
a
96%
of
the
cities
in
the
state
of
Texas.
The
city
attorney
answers
to
the
council
directly
and
there's
similar
statistics
for
the
city
secretary
and
there's
probably
a
reason
for
that.
So
I
mean
personally
I'm
off
the
record.
I
Yes,
I
think
if
it's
a
great
you
know
manager
for
government,
it
shouldn't
be
any
issues
you
should
be
able
to
answer
to
the
council
and
to
be
able
to
fulfill
your
duties
or
professional
duties,
but
sometimes
that
can
get
in
the
way.
If
you
answer
directly
to
somebody
who
puts
certain
items
on
the
agenda
and
doesn't
allow
you
to
give
the
advice
they're
supposed
to
be
giving,
so
that
could
be
a
problem,
but
it
shouldn't
be
a
problem
judge.
J
I
can
give
another
example.
I
know
I'm,
going
back
to
the
mind
button,
one
that
affected
me
as
a
candidate
when
I
ran
the
last
time
with
the
former
city
secretary
I
had
asked,
based
on
what
my
interpretation
of
the
Charter
again
there's
my
interpretation.
If
I
could
run
again
and
basically,
he
agreed
with
my
interpretation
come
back
Monday.
This
is
a
Friday
I'm
back
on
Monday.
He
basically
tells
me
I,
can't
let
you
register
to
run
I
said
well,
you're
the
elections
administrator.
No
one
has
power
over
you.
J
He
says
city
manager,
told
me
a
Kent
I
said
and
who
is
he
you're
the
elections
administrator
and
so
I
just
asked
him.
Please
time
stamp
it
that
turned
it
in
a
time.
So
the
city
was
fortunate
that
I
won
in
court
ran
and
got
elected,
but
that's
one
instance
that
that
could
happen
were
there's
interference
from
the
manager
now
I'm
not
saying
right
now
the
things
okay
I've
been
asked
in
the
past.
J
You
need
to
write
this
letter
because
you're
the
city
secretary,
so
what
I
don't
agree
with
it,
but
you
need
to
write
it.
You
work
for
me
and
so
instances
happened.
It's
just
based
on
the
individual,
so,
like
miss
Hale,
said
I'd
rather
be
Oh.
Was
it
whoa
and
even
the
mayor
brought
it
up
to
me.
He
was
asking
me
the
other
day.
We
had
a
conversation,
he
says:
well,
you
need
to
be
independent
from
the
city
manager
and
the
council
I
said:
well,
it's
a
hard
road
to
travel.
I
mean
you
have
to
answer.
J
If
someone
his
ideal
was
making
an
election
every
position,
election
I
said
well,
there's
no
elections.
Administrator,
that's
elected
Webb
County
has
the
election
semester
that
they
appoint
school
districts
of
point,
there's
and
so
I.
Think
in
the
state.
I.
Don't
think
anybody
runs,
that's
the
elections
administrator,
so
she
created
independence.
J
I
was
trying
to
figure
that
out
myself
I
said
yeah
I'd
like
to
be
independent,
to
give
my
honest
opinion
to
Council,
as
sometimes
I
seek
it
and
to
the
city
manager,
also
because
I'm
from
time
to
time,
I'll
go
over
and
have
conversations
with
them,
but
I
think
that
I
know
it
says
there
that
I
guess
our
position
is
that
at
any
point,
council
can
get
five
votes
and
say
you
know
what
we're
not
happy
with
you
for
whatever
reason
and
vote
you
out
it
and
that's
fine!
That's
there!
J
That's
the
will
of
the
council,
but
I
think
that
if
one
way
to
kind
of
control
that
also
would
be
having
more
than
just
five
council
members
terminate
you
or
you
know,
write
whatever
it's
two-thirds
vote
or
whatever
that's
one
way
of
doing
it.
If
I
answer
directly
to
them,
that's
just
there's
different
scenarios
that
I've
seen
personally
on
both
sides
being
City,
Secretary
and
being
just
a
constituent
out
there.
Well.
B
I
J
The
city
has
a
protocols
as
far
as
you
need
to
be
here
at
this
hour.
Personnel
matters.
Those
are
ordinances
that
we
have
to
follow
as
employees.
That's
that's
not
an
issue.
I
think
I've
never
had
an
issue
with
that.
I
mean
it's
not
an
easy.
You
know
thing
to
look
at,
but
just
tell
me
that
some
of
the
issues
that
I
I've
run
into
on
both
sides.
I
I
Yeah,
as
far
as
the
city
attorney
I
know
that
the
City
Council
did
propose
this
change
because
of
issues
that
have
since
been
addressed
by
the
passage
of
an
ordinance,
because
when
the
city
manager
was
not
there,
there
was
no
one
for
me
to
report
to
so
they
put
that
I
would
direct
the
reminder
or
then
the
deputy
city
manager,
so
really
I.
Don't
think
the
same.
That
she's
asked
to
why
they
put
it
on
the
agenda
to
begin
with
exists.
That
makes
any
difference
both.
J
Diction
I
report
you
and
evaluated
and
there's
the
relation
of
what
is
reported.
You
tell
them
what
you're
doing
or
do
you
just
do
whatever
he
says
he
thinks
it's
and
I'm
not
saying
permanent
the
same.
He
thinks
it's
I
tell
you
what
to
do
and
the
other
ones
know
I
work
for
the
city
and
so
that's
a
difference
of
opinion
left
interpretation
by
the
Charter
miss
you
all.
I
I
F
I
B
C
B
H
But
we've
also
had
some
city
managers
that
have
been
pretty
bad
and,
and
we
went
through
a
bunch
of
them-
and
there
was
I
mean
we
got
an
embalming.
The
FBI
coming
into
this
building,
so
I
think
there
is
a
knee
into
and
the
council
has
to
control,
not
the
mayor
that
and
who
takes
at
least
five
councilmen
I,
find
that
because
of
the
experience
again.
B
F
H
G
You
know
the
the
theory
of
the
city
manager
form
of
government.
You
know
like
he
talked
about
the
oil
in
Hawaii.
We
went
there.
We
understand,
you
know
why
it
works.
I.
Think
you're
at
any
white
works.
Is
that
difference
taking
the
pawn
things
out
of
the
city
manager
position,
that's
theory.
Another
position
is
supposed
to
be
one
word:
professionalism
things
over
there,
looking
at
it
from
step,
one
to
the
public
interest
to
be
served
and
regardless
of
who
who's,
you
know,
what's
the
feet,
they
step
one
right,
you
know
it's,
you
know
it.
G
Because
of
that
city
manager
who
came
in
and
said,
call
the
report,
it
was
it
didn't
matter
that
that
some
auditions
public
sermons
were
in
the
pocket
of
some
people
from
Del
Mar
right.
It
doesn't
matter
because
that
was
what
was
going
on
his
way,
and
so
it
came
to
pass
and-
and
that
was
really
a
remarkable
develop
in
the
city
for
the
city
of
I
know.
G
You
know
you
know
the
rest
of
the
story,
but
its
oversight
I
think
it's
a
follow
in
your
a
problem
on
the
city
manager,
its
first
of
all
select
no
selection
process.
Will
you
select
betterment
event
that
that
applicant
pretty
well
and
then
oversight?
You
have
to
have
oversight
of
what
that
city
manager
is
doing
so
who's
responsible
for
the
Earth's
oversight.
G
So
it's
it's
not
just
that.
It's
a
city
manager
that
we
get
bad
apples.
We
will.
Let
me
get
about
that
politician.
That's
about
everything
right!
It's
it's
all
in
that,
and
then
you
know
possibility.
So
you
know
then
you'd
pass
it
on
to
the
to
the
Congo.
How
many
times
are
gonna
change?
You
know,
have
new
council
members
and
and
changing
you
know
the
changing
of
the
guard
there.
You
know-
and
you
know
perhaps
skip
out
on
you
know
and
not
have
been
doing
it.
G
Sorry,
that
that's
my
concern
that
I
understand
what
the
patron
system
and
all
that
and
all
that
works
and
I've
I've,
been.
You
know
very,
very
familiar
with
that
over
the
year
so
and
when
city
manager
was
done,
they
know
what
what
they
get
the
pass,
this
part
of
the
city.
No,
it's
a
charter
revisions.
We
keep
it,
we
keep
it
and
we
become.
G
You
know
like
people
are
watching
over
those
under
the
city
manager
like
they
should
keep
an
eye
on
that
put
on
that
office
and
over
the
oversight
and
make
sure
that
that
you
know
that
the
performance
that
he
says
set
out
to
do
but
is
paid
for,
is,
are
paid
and
she
is
made
for
his
is
done.
It's
it's
there's.
I
D
Yes,
thank
you.
It
seems
like
the
discussion
on
this
topic
in
several
topics
in
it
seems
like
we're,
trying
really
really
hard
to
put
measures
in
place
that
provide
checks
and
balances
and
would
prevent
abuses
and
prevent
anything
improper
from
occurring
and
that
certainly
a
worthy
cause
to
try
to
do
that.
I,
don't
know
how
feasible
that
is,
and
I
go
back
and
I
think
you
know
this.
This
has
been
tried.
You
know
by
many
entities
over
and
over.
D
When
the
Constitution
of
the
United
States
was
written,
it
was
written
little
same
ideals
in
mind,
and
yet
we
see
even
to
this
day
that
there's
abuses
because
it
gets
down
to
the
people
that
are
put
in
those
positions.
So
we
can
create
a
perfect
system,
but
if
people
get
put
in
those
positions
that
are
imperfect,
which
all
of
us
are,
but
also
not
truly
driven
to
do
the
right
thing,
these
in
justices
are
still
going
to
occur
and
we
cannot
legislate
people's
actions
until
after
they're
done.
D
We
can
try
to
control
it,
but
just
because
we
legislate
that
doesn't
mean
they're
not
going
to
violate
whatever
it
says.
And
city
charter
can
say
this
as
we've
seen,
things
are
done
that
go
contrary
to
that,
and
then
you
try
to
rectify
things
after
that,
but
that's
been
tried
over
and
over
and
we're
trying
to
do
that
again
and
I.
Don't
know
that
that
we're
going
to
be
able
to
come
up
with
a
perfect
city
charter,
that's
going
to
prevent
any
possible
abuses
from
here
on
out.
D
We
can
do
the
best
that
we
can,
but
you
know,
as
long
as
people
are
people
we're
going
to
be
seeing
some
of
these
things
occur.
We've
certainly
seen
it
in
our
recent
history
in
this
city,
not
that
the
city
has
recent
history,
but
in
our
personal
recent
history,
we've
seen
that
happen,
and
this
charter
is
a
result
of
that-
an
effort
to
try
to
correct
that
when
it
was
initially
done
and
as
it's
been
amended
over
the
years.
D
So
while
the
debate
is
great
to
to
try
to
do
things
to
fix
things
so
that
abuses
don't
occur
and
things
work
fairly,
I
don't
know
that
we're
actually
ever
going
to
do
that.
I
think
we
can
just
try
to
do
it.
The
best
that
we
can
and
trust
that
the
people
that
are
in
place
and
that
are
put
in
place
are
going
to
respect
that
and
try
to
do
the
best
that
they
can
so
I.
Don't
want
it
to
frustrate
ourselves,
trying
to
accomplish
a
goal
that
may
not
be
fully
attainable.
B
F
B
G
B
B
G
So
it
follows,
then,
that
the,
if
that
were
true,
then
I
misspoke
clerk
would
serve
at
the
pleasure
of
the
judge,
re-election,
new
judges,
elected,
perhaps
never
the
new
judges
elected
that
city.
That
clerk
me
so
clerk.
What
actually
it
would
be
free
without
fighting
that
person's
First
Amendment
rights
to
move
them
from
office
and.
G
B
G
G
B
B
Know
again,
I'm
just
thinking
that
I
would
prefer
that
it
be
that
way.
If
I
were
gonna,
be
the
Minister
for
guard.
I
would
want
to
be
able
to
appoint
the
clerk
of
the
court
rather
than
the
city
manager,
because
the
the
the
the
third
branch
of
government,
the
judicial,
it's
an
independent
branch
that
should
be
able
to
call
the
cases
as
he
sees
them
without
being
having
any
concern
and
his
right-hand
man
is
gonna.
Be
the
clerk.
G
B
F
A
J
E
G
E
It
has
a
note
here
if
I
may
Jeremy
says
currently,
the
position
of
planning
director
is
appointed
and
removed
by
by
this
city
manager,
with
the
approval
of
the
City
Council
qualifications
are
not
addressed.
I
guess
that's
the
point
that
that's
that
you
make
yes
requires
that
the
certificate
certification
by
the
American
Institute
of
City,
Certified
planners
so
I
think
that's
the
only
difference.
Yes,.
B
J
B
C
J
G
G
That's
what
I'm
searching
for
me.
You
know
you
want
us
to
go
ahead
and
think
of
everything
you
know
like
in
a
minutes
notice.
You
know
I'm
asking
the
question
because
you
know
when
you
apply
for
a
job.
It's
like,
like,
let's
say,
you're
a
lawyer.
You
know
well
yeah
applying
for
a
job.
What
we
have
to
have
a
law
license.
You
know,
and
sometimes
they
say
product
is
have
practice
five
years
and
you
know
are
you
you
actually
have
our
license
of
practice
before
the
US
Supreme
Court
or
they
use
some
court
up.
G
G
D
E
D
My
intention
to
to
imply
that
that
would
be
the
only
or
before
requirement
or
the
only
qualification,
but
that
that'd
be
included
amongst
them.
We
can
review
the
Job
Description
if
we
want
to
get
it
to
the
Job
Description
level.
I,
don't
know
that
it's
really
a
good
idea
to
put
job
descriptions
in
the
city
charter.
I
D
D
G
A
B
A
D
D
No,
because
you
know
I,
do
they
get
a
copy
of
the
agendas.
Do
they
know
that
these
things
are
being
looked
at,
I
mean
I
would
think
if
this
was
my
position,
I'd
want
to
Communion,
and
you
know
putting
my
two
census.
Things
are
being
considered,
so
you
know
I'm
a
little
dismayed
that
we've
got
zero
participation,
present
company
excepted.
Of
course
you
know.
I
J
And
those
weren't
again,
the
only
reason
that
there
were
the
position
again
was
there
was
because
council
was
voted
to
terminate
those
positions.
So
that's
that's
what
I
mentioned
last
time.
I
didn't
advise
anyone,
because
again
it's
just
dealing
with
the
position,
not
the
individual
as
far
as
and
I,
don't
know
that
there's
any
issues
with
them,
but
that's
really
reason
that
we're
here.
D
But
there's
maybe
some
questions
that
we
have
that
we
may
want
to
ask,
and
you
know
I,
don't
know
if
the
rest
of
the
Commission
agrees
with
me,
but
you
know,
I
I
would
certainly
like
to
be
able
to
have
the
opportunity
to
ask
what
is
it
that
you
do?
What
are
your
duties?
You
know
currently?
How
does
it
report
you
know
who
do
you
report
to?
D
You
know
justjust
things
like
that
we
can
and
I
understand
that
you
know.
Sometimes
these
meetings
go
a
little
bit
long
and
you
know
we
can
put
those
early
in
the
agenda
to
try
to
get
them
through
and
they
can
be
on
their
way,
go
back
home
or
go
home,
but
you
know
I
would
just
like
to
do
to
express
that
and
like
the
rest
of
the
commission
feels.
But
you
know
when
pertaining
to
particular
departments
in
those
positions.
I
would
like
to
look.
G
Are
we
just
doing
right,
we're
gonna?
Do
it
I
mean
let's
go
the
full
nine
yards?
That's
you
know,
let's
act
like
a
commission
and
and
if
we
have
to
subpoena
people
they
can't
come
to
voluntarily
and
you
Sur
want
to
talk
to
these
people,
but
you
can't
even
good
formally
like
in
you
know
at
a
commission
meeting.
That's
that
might
be
the
only
answer
to
get
your
questions
answered
and
they
might.
A
I
D
D
F
G
J
I
F
F
The
friends
just
met
a
few
Matt
ago,
but
this
is
televised
writing
public
television,
so
so
addressing
the
public
that
if
they
do
want
any
amendment
to
the
Charter,
they
need
to
come
here
quicker
rather
than
later
and
and
if
we
might,
our
selves
has
the
word
rung
to
earth
to
the
people
that
we
know
that
if
they
have
any
suggestions
to
to,
let
us
know
quick,
because
otherwise
a
meeting
are
two
more
down
the
road
enough.
I
probably
will
be
it.
G
F
F
G
B
B
A
H
B
G
G
Body
and
commemorates
discusses
debates,
you
know-
and
you
know-
and
it's
like
you
know,
on
a
spur
of
the
moment
like
make
a
decision.
You
know
with
that.
You
know
with
no
thought
to
it.
I
mean
I'm
concerned
about
that.
There's
been
very
little,
you
know,
gathering
of
of
information.
You
know
when
some
of
these
decisions
have
been
made.
You
know
it.
What
are
you
comparing
it
to
just
head
up?
All
right
heads
were
being
asked
to
make
decisions.
You
know
what.