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From YouTube: Collective Bargaining Meeting, 09/08/2022
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Collective Bargaining Meeting, 09/08/2022
A
B
C
A
In
in
his
place,
we
have
joaquin
rodriguez,
correct
yeah,
he's
the
first
assistant
city
attorney
for
the
city
of
laredo
and
he'll,
be
sitting
on
here,
he's
not
listed
on
the
ground
rules,
but
we
still
have
a
quorum
and
I'm
announcing,
I
don't
know
if
we
need
to
add
it
to
the
ground
rules
or
everything's,
okay
and
if
you
need
to
add
or
have
somebody
for
your
team
as
well.
Just
let
us
know:
okay.
C
A
And
while
the
signing
sheets
are
being
passed
around,
we
do
have.
I
think
the
first
matter
that
we
should
deal
with
is
the
approach
the
approaching
date
of
the
statutory
impasse
which
is
set.
We
began
our
bargaining
sessions
where
we
were
the
initial
bargaining
session
was
established,
I
think
july,
13
2022
and
by
our
calculations,
which
I
think
you
your
side
has
confirmed.
That
puts
a
60-day
statutory
impasse
date
on
september,
11th
2022.
A
So
I
have
prepared-
and
you
can
look
it's
a
it's
a
very
basic
extension
impasse.
Extension
agreement
for
15
days
is
allowed
by
the
law
and
it's
for
a
period
of
september,
11
2022,
which
was
count
as
day
zero
and
to
end
september
26
2022,
which
would
be
day
18.,
so
the
impasse
day
would
be
the
11th,
and
then
you
count.
I
guess
you
count
one
I'm
just
doing
it
caution
year
that
you
count
one
the
next
day
and
then
it
would
be
1
through
15,
which
ends
on
september
26th.
D
A
B
A
A
And
then
it
just
agreed
on
this
eighth
day
of
september
and
we
put
in
in
time
and
then
it
would
be
signed
carlos
desano.
The
president.
I
had
oscar
delgado
as
a
second
vice
president,
but
we
can
whoever
you
you
determine,
needs
to
sign
that
and
then
for
the
city
of
laredo.
It
would
be
roxanna
stevens
myself
as
the
attorney
for
city
of
laredo
and
rosario
cabello.
The
interim
and
deputy
city
manager.
F
A
E
E
B
C
D
B
A
G
A
F
A
E
A
Initially
initially,
this
looks
like
a
lot
of
red,
but
essentially
it's
I.
What
we
did
was
we
kind
of
reorganized
this
article,
the
26.1
used
to
be
the
last
provision,
and
we
thought
that
there
are
some
changes
to
it,
but
it
seemed
that
the
definition
of
political
activities
was
at
the
very
end
and.
A
A
E
A
It
was
making
a
political
speech
distributing
political
literature,
writing
political
letters,
signing
a
petition
and
or
soliciting
votes
and
or
contributions.
In
light
of,
we
had
a
recent.
There
was
a
recent
arbitration
and
in
the
arbitration
award
the
polit.
I
know
that
there
was
some
arguments.
I
don't
know
the
details,
but
I
was
made
aware
that
some
of
the
arguments
or
some
of
the
issues
may
have
been
with
the.
A
To
do
that,
I
think
one
of
the
issues
is
that
when,
when
there
is
an
event
and
a
firefighter
is
either
on
duty
or
in
uniform-
and
there
are
some
sort
of
political,
some
political
nature
to
it-
whether
it
be
sponsored
by
an
elected
official
and
they're
self-promoting,
you
know
maybe
the
they're
handing
out
cards
or
banners
or
something
that
has
a
self-promotion
on
there
for
their
for
their
position
or
their
elected.
Their.
G
Elected
position
some
questions,
but
does
that
apply
to
let's
say
an
event
where
we're
giving
out
baskets
or
there's
a
community
event,
and
you
have
police
there
and
you
have
a
fire
department
there
in
uniform.
You
know
they're,
it's
sponsored
by
an
elected
official
by
councilman
by
the
mayor
by
somebody
but
they're
giving
up.
You
know,
they're,
not
doing
anything
political
but
they're.
There
does
that
apply
here.
A
A
A
A
That
does
not
necessarily
mean
that
it's
a
city-sponsored
event,
but
it's
an
elected
official
sponsored
event
that
they
can
have
now.
It
doesn't
mean
that
if
they're
and
the
thing
with
those
elected
official
sponsored
events
is
that
there
is
self-promotion
for
an
elected
position
which
can
be
deemed.
A
C
H
D
Of
course,
yes,
so
because
of
its
taxpayers
dollars,
it
has
to
have
the
city
of
laredo
emblem.
However,
these
individuals
who
are
working
league
public
works,
solid
waste,
they're,
getting
paid
they're
on
the
clock
with
overtime,
regular
overtime.
This
is
this
is
something
that
is
different
than
what
you're
asking
for,
which
is
business
association.
This
is
people.
H
D
E
B
What
what's
entailing
here
the
thing
about
it
is
that,
during
all
these
events,
we
do
set
up
our
shop
as
an
association
we
give
out
waters
we
give
out.
You
know,
gifts,
toys,
you
know,
flyers
whatever
it
is.
It's
a
the
city
also
itself
requires
fire
to
be
out
there.
They
take
out
their
smoke,
the
smoke
house,
they
take
out
fire
prevention,
they
start
giving
their
part.
That's.
F
A
We
need
to
make
this
more
clear,
because
when
a
public
works
is
there
or
ems
or
fire,
is
there
they're
providing
a
service
already?
What
we're
talking
about
is
not,
if
you're,
that's
your
assignment,
while
on
duty,
you
know
that
that's
an
assignment,
and
that
is
different
when
we
are
participating
and
not
when
you're
in
uniform
and
you're
you're,
not
providing
a
fire.
Slash.
Ems.
G
Either
when
they
have
events
they're
either
we
have
medics,
we
have
ems,
we
have
fire,
but
we
also
have
you
know:
prevention,
making
awareness
of
stop
drop
and
roll.
We
have.
We
have
other
uniform
personnel
there,
providing
the
service
to
the
community,
but
not
necessarily
having
to
do
with
ems
or
fire.
Okay,
it's
just
something
else.
So
that's
what
we're!
That's
the
only
thing,
we're
questioning
sure
whenever
we
do
political
events,
the
union
does
political
events.
Nobody
is
in
uniform,
okay,.
C
A
H
H
H
A
political
event:
are
you
going
to
deem
it
a
city
event,
because
at
that
city
event
at
that
haunted
house,
I
assure
you
they
can
ask
for
ems
to
be
here.
They
can
ask
fire
prevention
to
be
there
and
they're
in
uniform
and
nowhere
here
does
it
say
if
you're
signed
or
requested
by
a
city
administration
to
be
there.
It's
just
saying
if
you're
in
uniform
and
someone
thinks
at
a
political
event,
you're
in
trouble.
D
That
is
the
city
either
just
as
an
example,
that
is
a
city
event
we're
trying
to
prevent
some
things
that
may
be
purely
theirs
purely
there's.
As
an
example,
the
there
was
during
coven,
there
was
a
food,
everyone
was
providing
food,
the
city
was
not
sponsoring
the
council,
members
were
providing
them,
fire
got
on
it
wonderfully
wanting
to
help
the
community
distribute
food,
but
it
was
not.
Nothing
happened
to
the
city.
They
were
working
directly
with
the
food
banks
obtaining
food
and
delivering
them.
That
is
something
that
they
did
on
their
own.
B
D
C
D
Say
that
part
of
it,
I
know
that
they
were
using
vehicles
at
the
time,
because
we
have
pictures
of
that,
but
you're
not
there
anymore.
So
we
want
to
be
able
to
avoid
that
if
it's
completely
theirs
and
they're
dealing
with
a
food
bank
or
some
other,
you
know
business
that
they're
joining
together
with
providing
things
for
the
community
that
is
solely
theirs.
G
C
G
G
H
D
D
A
A
This
was
a
proper
use
of
abl
in
that
particular
event,
and
we
did
discuss
it
and
it.
I
think
it's
clear
on
both
sides
that
association
business
leave
is
not
to
be
used
for
political
events
and
so
because
that
that
can
be
seen
as
a
city
resource
being
used
for
some
sort
of
politicking,
and
we
want
to
avoid
that.
I
think
that
it
it.
You
know
it
is
clear
that
association
business
leave
should
not
be
used
in
political
activities,
which
is
also
included
on
26.3,
and
that's
just
to
clarify
to
make
it
clear.
B
You
know
the
only
thing
that
this
article
is
doing
by
basically,
one
through
eight
is
marrying
143
0.8
0.086,
but
everything
else
is
encompassing
so
you're.
This
is
an
attempt
to
circumvent
the
ruling
from
the
arbitration,
because,
if
you're
expanding,
what
a
political
event
means
that
also
expands
on
26.2,
which
turns
out,
will
affect
our
association
business.
B
When
we're
asked
for
community
outreach,
we're
not
asked
why
are
you
doing
it,
whereas
we're
being
asked
by
the
city
to
help
out
either
be
a
councilman
or
an
elected,
an
elected
official
or
by
one
of
the
departments?
You
know
they
use
all
the
other
services.
Pd
fire
public
works.
You
know
everybody's
there.
Liaisons
are
there
by
doing
this,
you're
changing
the
the
ruling
and
the
arbitration
level.
A
G
A
Well,
then,
we
can
move
that
to
the
association
business
leave
article,
but
I
thought
it
was
important
to
bring
it
up
here
because
of
the
the
political
activity
aspect
of
it,
and
I
think
that
it
was
clear
on
on
the
record.
I
I
thought
that
the
union
understands
and
had
stated
that
they
understood
that
the
association
business
leave
cannot
be
used
for
political
activity.
G
A
H
H
The
particular
event
that
you
preferred
to
it
was
a
clean
up
a
creep
project
without
one
of
the
person's
name
down
there
tonight,
and
I
I
don't
think
it
was
the
pleasure
of
that,
because
city
works
utilities
of
the
works,
please
yeah
masters,
everybody
was
going
to
be
there.
We
just
needed
we.
When
we
do
some
of
those
cleanups,
we
bring
15
20
guys.
H
We
usually
get
one
of
the
union
board
leaders
to
organize
the
guys,
make
sure
that
they're
there
right
the
food
and
everything
else
and
being
a
liaison
between
city
city
personnel
and
our
guys.
And
what
do
you
want
us
to
do,
including
planting
trees
and
all
this
some
progress
from
the
board?
Organize
the
guys
help
do
this,
but
going
back
article
26
talks
about
only
one
learning
uniform,
so
I
don't
know
how
it
addresses
some
of
the
concerns
the
city
might
have
with
individual
distribution
of
food,
because
those
people
were
not
in
uniform.
B
B
A
H
A
C
I
A
Has
this
is
where
the
city
perceives
that
there's
a
political
nature
to
something
or
an
event.
On
the
other
hand,
you
know
association,
business
leave
is
defined
and
we
can
revisit
that
article
and
go
through
it
separately,
but
association
business
leave
is
to
accomplish
association
business
most
of
the
time
it's
used
for,
and
it's
outlined
in
the
article
used
for
things
such
as
conventions
trainings,
things
that
have
to
do
with
association
business
such
as
collective
bargaining,
things
like
that,
and
so,
and
we're
not
telling
you
not
to
go.
A
B
B
7
10
11,
12
and
13..
These
are
expanding
on
what
political
activities
are,
which
would
entail
directly
tie
into
our
association
business.
We
know
we're
not
allowed
to
use
it
for
political
activities,
but
you're
expanding
the
definition
of
what
political
activity
is
so
event
any
event
sponsored
by
an
elected
official
event
sponsored
by
candidates
for
public
office
events
where
elected
officials
are
self-promoting
again
on
all
the
events
on
behalf
of
the
city.
B
F
A
So
so
we're
not
telling
you
that
you
cannot
participate
in
it.
You
just
number
one,
you
you,
you
can't
participate
in
uniform.
We
all
know
that
and
number
two.
I
think
the
issue
is
not
so
much
your
participation,
we're
not
preventing
that
at
all.
It's
the
use
of
the
city's
funded
association
business
leave
for
that
kind
of
event.
A
A
Here
we're
taking
the
opportunity,
just
as
just
as
the
arbitrator
said
in
her
award
to
discuss,
have
an
open
discussion
about
this
at
the
table,
because
the
city
has
big
concerns
about
the
use
of
of
city
resources
for
political
activities,
and
that
and
that's
why
we're
having
this
discussion
and
what
the
city
sees
as
political
activities
and
even
though
it
may
be
an
elected
sponsor
event.
It's
not
necessarily
a
city-sponsored
event,
and
in
no
way
are
we
trying
to
prevent
the
union
from
being
able
to
participate
in
that.
G
G
With
us,
but
if
we're
going
to
be
26
yeah,
why
are
we
talking
about
27,
you're,
you're,
you're,
you're
you're?
We
want
to
discuss
the
political
activities
you
know
and-
and
we
want
to
discuss
what
you're
proposing
but
you're
bringing
in
you're
tying
in
article
27.
When
we
haven't
even
discussed
it,
you
want
to
discuss
article
our
association
business
leave.
Then
we
discuss
article
27,
but
right
now
we're
in
article
26,
and
you
can't
discuss
article
27.
A
G
G
B
Activities
that
are
listed
in
143.086,
which
is
expanded
on
the
pro
the
proposal
you're
making
that
in
itself,
is
an
attempt
to
dictate
and
change
article
27.4
letter
d,
where
it
reads
the
association
president
and
his
designation,
present
representative
working
on
grievances,
arbitration
and
other
labor
relation
problems
or
association
business.
We
deem
what
association
business
is.
A
A
G
G
Let
me
take
it
a
step
further,
just
just
so
it
you
know,
I
can
let
it
out
real,
quick,
the
10
he
he
mentioned,
10,
11,
12
and
13.
right,
firefighters,
not
engaged
in
political
activities,
while
in
uniform
or
on
duty.
Firefighters
should
not
use
city
supplies,
which
is
right
on
26
already
in
our
contract.
It
was
already
there
right
on
26.2,
you're
right,
but
you're
expanding
on
the
on
the
political
activities
of
what
we
can't
do
and
that's.
G
A
C
C
A
A
E
B
B
C
A
This
is
a
negotiation
and
we're
allowed
in
good
faith
to
bring
forth
proposals
that
address
the
concerns
that
both
parties
have,
okay
and
and
you're,
not
going
to
agree
immediately
to
whatever
I
you
know.
I
propose
and
we're
probably
not
going
to
agree
immediately
on
the
on
big
issues
that
you
propose.
You
know
that's
why
it's
a
negotiation
so
but
but
it
is
a
valid
concern.
G
I
just
think
that
that
the
way
the
26
was,
we
were
following
it
to
a
t
that
that
part
right
there
as
far
as
the
the
city,
while
all
the
firefighters
are
in
uniform.
They
that's
one
of
those
articles
that
you
never
hear
anyone
go
against
because
we
know
that.
Okay,
you
know
you,
you
know
you're
in
uniform.
You
can't
carry
a
a
sign.
You
can't
carry
a
a
letter
saying
I
vote
for
it
both
for
this
elected
official.
You
can't
do
anything.
G
You
can
even
you
can't.
Even
yes,
we
don't
even
take
pictures
with
elected
officials
or
candidates
while
we're
in
uniform,
yeah
they'll
take
us.
You
know
food
or
whatever,
and
some
people
want
to
take
pictures
and
when
we
decline
that
you
know,
because
for
the
same
reason
that
we
don't
know
in
the
end
that
somebody
could
come
and
say
that
we
were
being
political
well.
A
But
but
the
deal
is
on
the
association
business
leave.
You
know
that.
I
think
that
the
union's
definition
of
a
political
activity
is
not
the
same
as
the
cities
and
the
concern,
and
we
need
you
to
understand
the
city's
concerns
with
regard
to
using
city
resources
in
actively
participating
in
political
activities,
and
I
know
that
you're
saying
that
this
arbitration,
you
know,
figure
that
issue
out.
It
figured
that
issue
out
for
that
kind
of
a
particular
event.
A
And
what
and
the
arbitrator
even
said
we
need
to
talk
about
it
at
the
table,
because
there
are
some
issues
that
need
to
be
worked
out
and
that's
what
we're
doing,
because
we
have
major
concerns
on
this
and
we
want
to
make
sure
and
and
it
I
thought
it
was
established
that
both
sides
understood
that
association,
business
leave
shouldn't
be
used
for
political
activities.
Political
activities
are
being
defined
by
this
article
and
and
so
that
that's
why
we're
presenting.
E
All
this
right,
they
follow
a
lawsuit
and
they
allege
that
public
funds
were
used
for
a
private
purpose.
Even
if
that
wasn't
your
intent
as
part
of
your
union.
If
other
funds
are
used
for
a
private
purpose,
they
sue
and
it's
the
city
that
gets
sued
and
has
to
pay
whatever
damages
are
left.
That's
that's
the
problem.
It
may
not
be
your
intent
for
you
to
be
politicking
for.
E
A
Is
this
is
all
internal?
It's
a
benefit.
That's
provided
to
the
union
from
the
city.
It's
a
funded
benefit
with
public
monies
that
the
that
we
have
negotiated
in
this
contract
to
be
used
for
association,
business
now,
association
business
is
and
it,
if
you
look
at
it,
it's
to
get
to
go
to
conventions
to
get
trained,
labor
relations
to
help
provide
representation
for
your
members
with
the
city
to
to
foster
those
kinds
of
labor.
A
Business,
you
know
with
regard
to
what
the
leave
can
be
used
for
can't
be
used
for
political
activity.
Now
political
activity,
you
know,
is
that
does
not
you
know
that
does
not
go.
It
is
not
cohesive
with
what
labor
relations
is
between
the
employer
and
the
employee,
and
that's
that's
the
line
that
we're
looking
at.
C
A
And
the
union
has,
all
you
know,
has
every
right
to
go
and
participate
in
in
political
activities.
Have
a
pack
you
know
and
participate
in
community
outreach
that
may
have.
They
may
have
some
sort
of
aspect
of
that.
The
the
line
that
we
have
to
draw
is
that
association
of
business
lead
cannot
be
used
for
those
types
of
political
activity.
So.
G
E
J
There
is
a
part
that,
when
we,
when
we
do
the
fiscal
year
calendar
year
for
firefighters,
there
is
an
amount,
some
firefighters
do
some
approvals.
We
also
take
those
accruals
and
put
them
in
that
pot,
but
normally
those
hours
are
not
that
many.
I
don't
recall
the
last
year's
numbers,
but
we
don't
have
a
lot
of
hours.
We
don't.
H
H
Ems
is
usually
asked
to
be
there
in
some
form,
whether
it
be
bike
patrol
an
ambulance,
standby
or
fire
truck
standby.
Those
are
in
uniform,
but
if
someone
games
it
self-promoting
and
usually
you'll
have
people
that
are
always
saying
these
are
self-promoted
and
they're
on
taxpayer
dollars.
We've
always
heard
that
entire
lives,
even
though
it's
it's
a
community
event
city's
reaching
out
movie
at
the
parks.
K
H
When
we
take
apo,
we
are
promoting
the
union.
There's
no
reason
for
me
to
go
in
a
fire
uniform
and
do
any
any
assistance
out
there.
We
always
want
to
promote
the
union.
We
provide
our
guys
with
t-shirts
polo
shirts
from
the
union,
we're
always
trying
to
promote
the
union,
we're
not
trying
to
promote
marine
fire
department
when
we're
off
duty,
we're
trying
to
promote
our
union
and
say
that
we're
giving
back
to
the
community.
H
So
if
someone
takes
it,
it's
a
picture
at
a
park
whatever
that
event
is
you're
in
uniform
they're,
not
really
on
behalf
of
the
union.
Here
they're,
not
I
mean
we
would
never
tell
anybody
show
up
in
a
firefighter
t-shirt.
Please
we
want
to
promote
a
fire
department,
so
we
want
to
promote
our
organization
and
that's
why
I
guess
you're
getting
so
much
pushback,
because
this
we've
always
deemed
it
as
guys
in
your
uniform.
A
A
And
then
later
after
we
were
doing
this,
what
political
activities
is
defined
as
then
submit
a
separate
article
on
article
27
and
that's
not
the
intent,
we're
not
playing
games
here.
We're
not
hiding
the
ball.
We're
wanting
we're
trying
to
put
this
issue
on
the
table
because
it
needs
to
be
discussed.
B
C
D
A
This
has
not
that's
not
the
issue.
The
issue
is
when
and-
and
I
think
that
we're
focusing
on
the
uniform-
that's,
I
think
I
believe
that's
clear,
and
I
think
that
the
union
usually
tells
the
the
firefighters
on
duty,
if
they're
providing
services
at
some
at
a
political
event
that
they
have
to
be
at.
You
know
some
festival.
B
B
B
Assigned
to
it,
we
don't
have
control
over
them
at
all.
We
don't
go,
take
pictures
with
them
with
the
with
the
officials.
The
officials
would
approach
them
hey,
because
this
is
one
of
my.
This
is
one
of
the
services
the
city
provides
takes
picture
of
them.
That's
beyond
our
control.
That's
the
issue
that
needs
to
be
addressed
to
our
administration.
B
Why
are
they
there
we're
there?
For
our
reason,
we
don't
dictate.
We
don't
request,
you
know
any
other
services
from
fire,
because
we
know
we
can't,
because
if
it's
political,
which
right
now,
like
I
say,
10,
11,
12
and
13,
basically
can
throw
it
up
in
the
air
of
you
know
randomly
whether
it's
going
to
be
named
political
or
not.
A
B
B
Now
it
doesn't
mean
specifically,
I'm
gonna
go
to
you
ask
for
your
vote,
but
if
I
come
to
your
neighborhood
and
want
to
do
a
cleanup
because
hey
this
neighborhood
needs
it.
If
a
neighborhood
needs
a
drainage
and
they
want
to
go
out
there
and
work
on
it.
If
the
park
needs
trees,
they
want
to
go
out
they're
working
out
their.
B
H
E
Know
it
doesn't
say
here,
nor
does
it
say
here
any
of
the
things
that
you're
talking
about
it's
pretty
specific
and
remember
the
reason
for
the
specificity
isn't
to.
I
guess,
give
you
any
more
restrictions,
it's
because
in
the
last
arbitration
award,
the
arbitrator
believed
that
political
activities
was
ambiguous
right.
So
what
do
you
do
to
clear
up?
Ambiguity.
H
H
E
Again,
if
you're
there
on
assignment,
we
can't
control
what
people
are
doing
taking
pictures
right,
but
if
you're
there
on
assignment,
then
the
presumption
is
you're
there
to
work,
and
if
you're
there
to
work,
then
it
is
public
funds
for
a
public
purpose,
so
that
would
not
fall
within
the
categories
of
this
article.
It
wouldn't
it
would
not
when
you
are
on
assignment
now.
If
you
want
clarification.
B
But
actually
I
I
beg
to
differ
because
article
26
specifically
entails
when,
on
assignment
what
you
can
do
in
uniform,
what
the
issue
they're
talking
about
concerns
article
27,
the
use
of
association
leave
and
you're
expanding
on
the
definition
of
what
political
activities
is,
which
is
changing
the
wording
of
another
article
right.
So
both
the
same
so.
A
C
A
This
is
the
point.
I
think
that
that
you're
missing
is
that
a
firefighter
shall
not
engage
in
political
activity
in
utah
and
uniform,
are
on
duty
and
then
we're
defining
what
political
activity
is
and
nowhere
in
the
definition
of
political
activity
is
being
on
duty
and
providing
a
fire
or
and
or
ems
service.
A
As
part
of
your
job,
that
that
is
not
what
political
activity
is
now,
if
you're
there
and
then
you
go
and
you're
assigned
there,
you're
within
your
duty
is
assigned
by
the
chief
or
your
supervisor,
and
then
you
go
and
you
grab
political
brochures
and
start
handing
them
out.
That's
a
problem.
That's
a
problem.
Yes,
that's
a
problem!
Yes,.
A
Things
that
we're
that
we're
talking
about
separately
a
firefighter
needs
to
be
clear
and
know
that
you
know
when
they
get
off
of
duty.
They
may
still
be
on
their
uniform
and
oh
you
know.
My
friend
is
running
for
this
for
this
office,
I'm
going
to
go
stop
by.
They
need
to
know
the
rules
that
they
can't.
They
can't
go
to
that
party
and
inadvertently.
You
know
and
wear
their
uniform.
It
needs
to
be
clear
that
if
they're
gonna
go,
they
can
wear
their.
They
have
to
take
the
uniform
off.
C
A
It
prevent
them
from
having
a
union
shirt
or
any
kind
of
union
deal,
but
but
that's
that's
the
kind
of
thing
that
that
that
we're
trying
to
address
and
the
on
duty
and
providing
your
services
and
your
assignment
has
never
been
part
of
this
particular
article
and
that
part
of
the
article
hasn't
changed.
What
we're
talking
about
is
what
is
a
political
activity
outside
of
your
outside
of
your
duties
and
that's
what
we're
addressing
and
again
on
the
abl
we
we're
discussing
it
here.
C
B
A
C
G
E
A
A
But
what
we
understand
the
maintenance
of
standards
to
be
is
to
maintain
the
standard
set
forth
by
the
provisions
of
this
contract
right,
and
so
that's
all
that
this
does
we've
added
it.
It
states
32.1
hours,
wages,
privileges
and
conditions
of
employment.
In
effect,
at
the
time
of
the
execution
of
this
agreement
and
subject
to
disagreement,
I
added
that,
because
that
just
means
all
this
all
the
provisions
that
are
within
that
agreement
shall
be
maintained
for
the
life
of
this
agreement
and
that
just
brings
in
every
single
article
from
the
contract.
A
We
don't
want
anything
in
this
contract
to
prevent
the
chief
or
the
city
from
being
able
to
be
more
generous
at
a
time
when,
when
they
can
be
whether
it
be
in
some
sort
of
funding-
or
you
know
some
sort
of
privilege-
that's
granted,
but
because
it's
it's
not
within
the
contract,
it
doesn't
create
an
additional
contractual
obligations.
Those
are
set
forth
within
this
contract.
A
32.5
remains
the
same
in
the
event
of
a
reduction
in
force.
The
city
shall
take
all
action
in
accordance
with
chapter
143
of
the
texas
local
government
code
and
then
I
think,
and
then
we've
we
proposed
32.3,
so
that
it
is
clear
that
this
article,
32
maintenance
with
standards,
is
not
in
conflict
with
the
rights
of
management.
As
as
dick
as.
A
It's
just
clear:
our
proposed
of
clarifications
are
not
substantive
in
nature;
it
doesn't
change
the
article
and
it
just
it
just
clarifies
it
in
terms
of
I,
you
know
when
I'm
looking
at
it
and
I'm
reading
the
contract
and
I'm
trying
to
understand
what
the
mean
is.
The
standards
is,
and
then
it's
part
of
some
grievances
and
then
one
that
goes
to
arbitration.
We
were
saying:
okay,
maybe
we
can
get
some
insight
as
to
what
this
means,
because
I
have
not
been
part
of
this
contract.
A
H
H
It's
mentioned
our
contract.
There
are
a
lot
of
five
exchanges.
Now
he
came
out
with
a
memo
that
defined
what
we
can
do,
while
we're
on
that
exchange
by
leaving
my
civil
liberties
disregard
the
contract.
But
now
you're
saying
hey,
that's
under
management
rights.
You
can
dictate
what
you
do
on
your
timeline.
A
C
A
B
This
is
also
the
article
where
you
all
propose
language
change,
which
affects
the
the
the
intent
of
that
article.
Let's
say
this:
this
article
have
been
going
back
to
maintenance
of
standards.
This
article
had
been
negotiated
and
paybacks
were
excluded
specifically
for
what
it
said
there
shift
exchanges
will
pay
back
hour
per
hour.
Date
of
payback
must
be
stated,
it
can
be
changed.
All
you
need
to
do
is
resubmit,
a
paperwork
and
they
normally
let
the
district
chief
station.
The
hub
stations,
know.
B
B
B
Stated
subject
of
outside
employment
yeah,
but
the
what's
stated
in
that
memo
is
changing
article
10.4.
So
that's
what
I'm
saying
going
back
to
maine's
standards
is
the
arbitration.
The
all
the
grievances
are
filed
are
because
every
time
that
a
chief
wants
to
impose
a
an
sop
or
puts
out
a
memo,
an
article-
that's
already
been
negotiated
in
the
past
because
they're
not
privy
to
it.
They
believe
that
they're
they're
in
in
the
right
to
do
it
that
is
affected
by
the
maintenance
standards.
The
way
the
way
it's
written.
A
A
The
clarification
doesn't
change
what
it
means
to
just
make
sure
that
everybody
is
on
the
same
page
about
what
it
means
that
the
contractual
obligations
in
this
contract
need
to
are
going
to
be
maintained
throughout
the
life
of
the
contract
and
so
and-
and
you
have
the
grievance
procedure
to
address
that
issues
that
come
up
like
that-
that
you
believe,
okay.
Well,
on
this
exchange
mate,
I
believe
it's
violating
this
particular
deal
and
if
that
becomes
a
maintenance
of
standards
issue
as
well,
then
then
you
bring
it
up.
A
A
C
A
B
A
B
E
E
It
wasn't
there
because
it's
aligned
with
the
people
there's
a
difference
between
people
are
complying
with
the
new
policy,
but
there
hasn't
been
enforcement,
and
your
is
that
from
what
I
heard
last
time,
your
issue
was:
when
is
it?
When
is
the
chief
going
to
arbitrarily
and
capriciously
deny
someone,
and
that
hasn't
happened
yet
yeah.
B
B
B
E
B
A
B
C
A
B
A
B
H
D
B
E
H
B
Because
again,
while
we're
here
negotiating,
this
is
still
currently
in
limbo
and
it
automatically
will
become
fast
practice
because,
if
it
gets
negotiated
through
we're,
staying
we're
going
steadfast
on
language,
where
it
was
already
negotiated
by
our
previous
negotiating
team
throughout
the
past.
So
a
lot
of
this
tends
to
again-
and
this
is
why
we
hold
step
fast
on
the
association
business.
This
was
is
being
circumvented
from
rulings
and
negotiations
that
happened
in
the
past.
B
A
Right
and
but
the
ruling
that
we're
dealing
with
now
says
you
need
to
that.
This
needs
to
be
addressed
at
the
collective
bargaining
and
it
needs
to
be
understood
between
the
two
parties.
So
that's,
why
we're
doing
this
and
that's
where
we're
raising
our
concerns
here
and
the
maintenance
of
standards?
If
you
look
at
it,
it
in
fact
bolsters
it,
because
it
says
this
is.
C
A
B
A
Usually,
when
we
have
issues
like
this,
we
work
them
out
before
before
the
end
before
we
finalize
this
this
negotiation,
because
it's
an
important
issue
that
goes
to
a
specific
article,
and
you
know
sometimes
we
look
at
pending
grievances
and
address
those
issues
and
and
fix,
try
to
fix
them
in
the
contract.
That's.
A
Something
you're
right
and-
and
I'm
glad
that
you
brought
it
up
and
that's
why
I
said
we'll
review
it,
because
this
is
something
that
we
need
to
look
at
and
address
and
then
have
a
discussion
about
and
how
we're
going
to
resolve
it
and
getting
to
a
contract,
because
we
don't
what
we
don't
want.
Is
we
don't
want
to
get
a
contract
and
then
the
next
day
base?
Okay,
we
have
a
grievance
that
that
is
not
the
because.
A
F
F
A
B
A
B
E
A
A
A
A
A
We've
we're
titling
that
dental
and
it's
just
talking
about
dental
the
employers.
It
doesn't
change
anything.
This
is
currently
what
has
been
happening
with
the
with
the
current
contract.
Has
the
employer
shall
provide
a
dental
benefits
plan
without
charge
to
each
employee,
as
is
currently
provided
to
regular
city
employees?
A
In
addition,
the
employer
shall
pay
50
percent
of
the
monthly
contribution
for
the
employees.
Dependents.
On
said,
dental
benefits
program
dependents
shall
be
defined
and
limited
to
the
employee's
spouse
his
her
children
and
any
children
legally
adopted
by
the
employee
or
the
spouse.
This
coverage
shall
only
be
diminished
during
the
course
of
this
agreement.
If
the
coverage
for
the
city
employees
is
diminished,
so
nothing
in
that
change
other
than
we're
separating
out
the
dental.
Then
we
created
29.3,
which
then
addresses
the
medical
benefits
and
that's
titled
medical.
A
The
employer
shall
provide
a
health
benefits
plan
which
includes
benefits
without
charge
to
each
employee,
as
is
currently
provided
to
the
city
employees.
In
addition,
the
employer
shall
pay
50
of
the
monthly
contribution
for
the
employees.
Dependence
on
said
health
benefits
program
dependent,
shall
be
defined
and
limited
to
the
employee's,
spouse
his
her
children
and
any
children
legally
adopted
by
employee
or
the
spouse.
This
coverage
shall
only
be
diminished
during
the
course
of
this
agreement.
If
the
coverage
for
the
city
employees
is
diminished,
so
it
mirrors
the
same
language
as
a
dental.
A
D
G
D
G
A
Put
regular
because
we
are
because
firefighters,
police
officers
and
civil
service
and
at-will
people
they're
all
considered
city
employees
and
we're
trying
to
differentiate
here
is
to
make
sure
that
you
as
a
collective
are
you
as
a
firefighter
subject
to
a
collective
bargaining
agreement,
is
going
to
get
the
same
benefits
as
a
city
employee.
That
does
not
have
collective
bargaining
right.
We
can
even
go
further
and
put
regular.
D
K
An
administration
application,
so
if
you
read
the
previous
article,
it's
all
just
mumbled
together.
If
you
take
a
look
at
it,
you
can't
tell
so
what
I
did
because
we
administer
it
and
for
the
next
people
that
will
come
in
and
administer
this
this.
This
article
they're
going
to
know
that
we're
talking
about
life
when
we
call
back
dental
and
then
we're
talking
about
medical
they're,
not
all
the
same
there's
different
rates,
there's
different
things
that
we
need.
G
A
On
29.4,
we
titled
it
death
benefit,
and
we
just
clarified
here.
This
is
what's
what's
happening
and
what
has
happened?
The
city
shall
provide
a
death
benefit
in
the
amount
of
two
thousand
dollars
at
no
cost
to
the
retiree
upon
death.
The
death
benefit
is
payable
to
eligible
beneficiaries
after
the
retiree's
death.
K
A
B
B
E
E
A
Okay,
29.5
is
titled
retiree
medical,
and
this
is
this:
doesn't
change
what's
happening?
It's
just
a
a
clarification
for
the
administration
of
this,
and
it
is
when
an
employee
retires
from
the
laredo
fire
department
and
begins
receiving
a
pension
under
the
laredo
firefighters
retirement
system.
Lfrs,
formerly
known
as
the
firemen's
relief
and
retirement
fund,.
A
A
A
The
city's
contribution
will
cease
when
the
retiree
is
eligible
for
medicare
retirees
and
eligible
for
medicare
shall
be
covered
by
the
city's
health
benefit
plan.
As
long
as
they
live.
Employees,
retirees
and
retiree
dependents
shall
receive
the
same
health
insurance
options
at
the
same
cost
as
the
city's
retired
employees.
A
F
H
F
K
K
In
addition
to
medicare
part,
a
and
property,
does
not
cover
everything.
So
what
we,
the
city,
we
have,
it's
called
a
medical
supplemental.
So,
whatever
part
a
and
part
b
doesn't
pick
up,
because
that
becomes
primary,
your
secondary
becomes
that
something
like
america
and
that's
what
the
city
offers
to
those
retirements.
K
The
retirees
certainly
has
the
ability
to
go
and
shop
around
to
say,
there's
a
better
rate
out
there
for
them.
However,
if
they
choose
to
the
city
also
offers
that
supplemental
coverage
for
that
retirement,
so
it
looks
like
a
double
net
with
a
retirement,
it's
not
if
they
choose
not
to
they
come
in
and
say
you
know
what
I
don't
want
it
they
don't
have
to,
but
when
they
get
to
65,
we
get
that
notice
and
we're
aware
that
that
retire
is
going
to
be
65..
So
you
start
contacting
them
ahead
of
time.
K
C
K
C
B
B
K
C
K
G
K
C
K
K
C
G
K
And
just
for
your
benefit
and
information
too
so
should
we
have
an
a
firefighter
that
is
still.
We
won't
shift
them
into
that
medicare.
There
was
a
point
that
social
security
wasn't
withdrawn
from
the
firefighter
so
there's
some
that
will
never
be
medicare
eligible.
So
those
we
keep
them
on
our
plan
until
they
pass.
We
will
not
cut
their
benefits
off
at
all.
We
have
about
three
current
retirees
that
fall
into
that
category
and
we're
aware
of
them,
so
we're
not
going
to
ever
cut
them
off
they're
going
to
maintain
that.
K
A
So
then,
29.6
the
current
contract
says
the
employee
agrees
to
pay
ten
dollars
per
pay
period
to
the
city
to
offset
the
city's
cost
of
paying
the
health
benefits
contribution
for
retired
firefighters.
We
we
have
been
looking
at
the
fund
and
I'll.
Let
linda
and
jesus
talk
about
that
a
little
bit
more,
but
we're
anticipating
that
right
now
with
the
10,
I
think
that
we're
collecting
about
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
to
offset
about
a
a
little
bit
more
than
a
million
dollars
of
premiums
for
retired
firefighters.
A
So
we
moved
it
up
to
25.
It
would
add
it
would
add
another
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
dollars
to
that
pot.
We
do
have
and
I'll.
Let
them
talk
more
in
detail
about
this,
but
the
premium
rates
I
think,
we're
in
year
three
of
a
five-year
five-year
plan
and
the
premium
rates
are
set
to
go
up
between.
Is
it
fifteen
percent?
A
A
This
one
is
just
three:
oh,
this
one's
for
the
retirees;
okay,
so
the
retired
firefighters
that
the
premiums
are
set
are
anticipated
and
projected
to
go
up.
The
cost
is
going
up
the
premium
for
the
fun
to
pay.
The
premiums
is
currently,
I
guess,
working
on
a
deficit
and
if
it's
projected
to
go
into
more
of
a
deficit,
so
we're
just
trying
to.
K
K
So
this
10
offsets
what
the
city
pays
in
for
the
1.1
million
for
those
retirees
to
be
in
there.
So
of
course,
this
amount
that
ten
dollars
has
been
there
for
over
20
years
and
it
hasn't
been
addressed
in
a
couple
of
years
and
we're
reporting.
We
need
to
address
that.
We
need
to
think
about
looking
at
us
helping
to
offset
that
cost
to
the
retiree.
H
H
K
A
A
A
A
Three
dependents:
I
highlighted
the
59.86
because
we're
leaving
it
an
open
issue
because
there
needs
to
be
a
discussion
about
increases
to
the
current
premiums
to
maintain
a
healthy
fund.
This
is
this
is
where
the
premiums
are
subject
to
go
or
set
to
go
up,
and
the
fund
is
currently
working
on
a
deficit
and
we
project
a
bigger
deficit,
and
once
I
finish
going
through
this
article
I'll,
let
linda
and
jesus
talk
more
at
length
about
that
particular
part.
A
The
next
part
says
effective
october
1
and
we
updated
it
to
2022
the
firefighter
retiree
or
his
or
her
surviving
dependent
agree
to
pay
the
premium
of,
and
currently
it's
160
and
16
cents
again.
This
is
another
open
issue
that
we
need
to
have
a
discussion
about
to
increase
the
current
premium
payment
for
this
payment
to
because
of
the
increase
in
the
current
paid
premiums
and
maintain
a
healthy
fund
to
make
sure
that
those
premiums
are
covered.
A
The
rest
of
this
language
is
crossed
out
because,
as
you
see,
this
was
a
language
that
was
to
cover
an
outstanding
premium
balance
that
had
been
in
effect
on
october
1..
There
was
a
or
during
the
last
contract
and
the
premium
was
found.
The
premium
balance
was
finally
covered
at
100
as
of
october
1
2018,
so
that
language
isn't
needed
here
anymore.
We
deleted
that.
H
A
That's
in
the
first
sentence
of
29.5,
just
when
an
employee
retires
from
the
radar
fire
department
and
begins
receiving
a
pension
under
the
lfrs,
formerly
known
as
the
city
will
pay
the
retirees
individual
medical
coverage
until
the
retiree
reaches
at
age
65..
So
that's
100
covered
by
the
city
right,
so
so
the
the
reason
this
doesn't
say.
That
is
because
this
is
only
addressing
the
fire
retiree
dependent
fund,
where
these
monies
that
59
86
and
the
1616
go
into,
and
it's
basically
saying
okay.
What
is
this
fund
being
used
to
pay.
A
C
A
And
then
the
next,
while
these
calculations
envision
a
2.5
increase
in
premium
cost
throughout
the
life
of
the
agreement,
the
city
shall
have
the
option
of
increasing
retiree
dependent
premium
rates
as
the
same
rate
as
any
increase
to
retire
city
employees,
and
we
took
out
the
while
these
calculations,
division
and
2.5
increase
in
premium
costs
throughout
the
life
of
this
agreement,
because
those
those
projections
yeah.
No,
it
don't
apply
to
this.
This.
C
B
H
I'll
tell
you
why
it
came
out
when
february
of
2021
are
we
already
down
over
30
people
or
employees?
We
were
down
over
30
and
the
current
person
at
the
time
of
the
hr
director
requested
me
with
the
union
and
said:
hey.
You
guys
were
over
two
million
or
two
hundred
thousand
dollars
fun.
Now
it's
dropping.
H
B
It's
gonna
be
polarized
because
their
retirees
are
gonna
go
up
and
the
active
members
are
gonna
go
down.
So,
instead
of
being
a
neutral,
you
actually
widen
that.
So
for
the
longer
time
that
we're
short
step,
that
number
is
widening
and
widening.
So,
besides
the
cost
of
insurance
going
up,
the
fact
of
our
fund
is
going
down
because
of
the
fact
that
we're
being
shipped,
we
don't
have
the
active.
H
H
A
This
sentence,
and-
and
this
is
this
is
why,
when
I
looked
at
it
that
it
looked
like,
it
was
outdated
and
not
in
here,
because
it
says
if
the
city
does
not
maintain
current
staffing
levels.
Employee
and
retiree
contributions
will
not
be
increased
for
the
sole
purpose
of
covering
the
outstanding
premium
balance
referenced
above
and
the
outstanding
premium
balance
was
already
the
deficit
that
had
accumulated
that
all
of
this
kind
of
tiered.
H
D
C
H
B
D
D
D
H
I'm
talking
about
contributions
or
the
fun
level,
I'm
sorry.
We
missed
both
the
fun
level.
It
was
going
in
the
wrong
direction.
We
were
short
31
personnel,
we
had
hired
academies,
hr
director
came
requested
a
meeting
and
we
sat
down
and
we
looked
at
the
numbers
and
they
explained
to
us
a
different
cost
of
everybody
and
different
people,
the
different
costs
of
everybody-
and
we
said
the
reason
the
fund's
going
down,
because
we
don't
have
enough
personnel
that
we
used
to
have
that
we
should
have
once
those
academies
got
hired
three
months
later.
H
E
K
So,
every
october,
one
we're
on
we're
in
the
130
over
five-year
plan
we're
going
to
go
up
by
10.
So
if
we
do
the
calculations,
we're
not
collecting
enough
for
the
well.
Even
currently
I
project
and
jesus-
and
I
looked
at
the
numbers
yesterday,
based
on
our
projections-
the
fund
is
going
to
be
depleted
by
the
end
of
within
two
years.
A
year
is.
E
C
J
I'm
sorry
there's
there's
a
balance
that
the
fund
has
sure
sure
I
was
gonna
not
adjust
that
when
we
look
at
just
this
year,
20
we're
gonna
the
the
money
coming
in
versus
money
going
out
is
thousand
dollars
short.
So
I
think
the
balance
right
now
in
the
on
itself
is
a
hundred
and
twenty
eight
thousand,
so
we'll
still
be
positive
on
the
balance.
But,
however,
when
we
start,
we
need
to
start
considering
because
moving
forward
for
the
next
four
or
five
years
the
rates
are
going
up
for
the
next
two.
J
J
H
J
H
B
I
J
K
So
knowing
that
we're
going
to
be
looking
at
it
at
the
increases
in
the
next
two
years,
addressing
the
future,
is
it
something
that
you
all
want
to
address
at
this
point
and
I
think
we're
at
a
point
that
we
do
need
to
look
at
and
consider
it
and
you
want
to
tell
us,
I
did
ask
I
wasn't
going
to
last
collect
the
bargaining
team.
I
did
ask:
where
did
the
116
160
16
come
from
the
returns?
K
H
H
Yes,
we
had
a
sidebar
with
him
and
he
worked
out
the
numbers
and
we
worked
out
the
numbers
with
him
and
as
far
as
active
59,
it
really
up
to
our
membership,
how
much
they
want.
They
don't
want
to
increase
that.
Then
it's
only
increased
on
the
retiree
side,
because
so
I
guess,
if
you
it
was
those
numbers,
those
predictions
with
what
it's
costing
right
now
per
month
and
take
a
look
at
what
we're
contributing,
what
our
retirees
are
contributing.
H
F
G
H
H
D
H
But
at
the
moment,
in
february,
when
we
didn't
have
an
academy
amount,
the
city
came
to
us
and
said
your
fund
is
going
in
the
wrong.
Your
fund
level
is
going
in
the
wrong
direction.
We
may
have
to
consider
doing
contribution
increases
and
we
kind
of
pointed
out.
Well,
the
fun
is
going
the
wrong
direction.
H
G
Because
I
guess
we
can't
talk
about
numbers
and
that's
fine.
The
only
thing
we're
saying
is,
if
you
leave
that
that
clause
in
there
is
part
of
the
sentence
as
part
of
that
that
article
I
mean
there's,
no,
it
doesn't
hurt
anyone
we're
still
coming
to
the
table
and
talking
about
changing
for
the
life
of
the
premiums
right.
What
we
don't
want
is
we
have
the
contract
for
four
or
five
years
and
then
you're
number
three.
It
happens
again.
It
happens
again
and
this
time
there's
nothing
protecting
our
contract.
G
So
well,
all
we're
saying
is
that
you
can
leave
that
clause
in
there
just
for
them
for
the
for
the
for
the
remainder
of
the
contract.
I
guess
you
know
where
we
we
understand
you're
gonna,
we're
gonna
talk
numbers
and
we
gotta
make
an
increase.
We
understand
that
part,
but
you
know
we
just
don't
want
to
get
rid
of
that.
J
There's
a
couple
of
factors:
one
is
the
the
the
rate
is
going
up
for
them.
So
that's
a
component.
The
other
component
is
we
have
retirees
coming
in
to
this
fund
as
well.
So
right
now
we're
anticipating
quite
a
bit
retiring
next
year,
so
eventually
some
of
them
will
reach
65
and
we'll
go
into
this
fund
so
they'll.
The
fund
itself
will
be
growing
in
participants
and
retirees
in
there
as
more
and
more.
J
Are
those
are
the
costs
and
it's
an
estimate,
we're
trying
to
anticipate
yeah
authentic?
What
that
expense
is
going
to
be
to
anticipate
the
revenues
that
we
need
and
that's
why
it's
important
and
we've
done
it
so
far-
we're
not
in
that
bad
at
shape,
because
we
still
have
a
fund
balance
in
there
of
185
000,
which
buys
us
time
to
discuss
this
and
figure
out.
Yeah.
H
To
increase
our
contribution,
just
like
you
said,
on
the
retiree
side,
it's
going
to
increase
so
that
person
is
going
to
pay
160
and
change.
But
if
the
city
replaces
them,
then
somebody
will
be
replacing
his
59
and
change
contribution
right
where
it
should
it
grows,
but
it
should
grow
also
and
money
coming
in,
because
so.
J
Far
contributing
one
of
the
problems
is
that
we
have
a
fixed
dollar
amount
coming
in
by
both
the
reactive
firefighter
and
the
retiree,
but
yet
the
expenses
are
not
fixed.
Those
are
going
up
if
we
had
a
percentage
amount
in
their
increase
like
we
do
like
the
union
jews
that
go
up
a
certain
percentage
next
issue.
Well,
then,
the
revenues
would
try
to
keep
up
with
the
expenses
as
well.
So
we
don't
have
that
mechanism,
so
we're
trying
to
set
a
fixed
rate.
J
H
J
For
example,
we
have
about
a
hundred
participants
that
are
in
the
dependent
coverage.
So
let's
say
we
get
another
six
or
eight
next
year.
So
that's
how
we're
trying
to
anticipate
so
we'll
be
more
than
happy
to
kind
of
meet
with
you
and
and
try
and
then
you're
the
ones
that
are
going
to
have
to
decide
as
well.
K
K
What's
what
what
really
impacted
our
clients
this
year
was
our
prescriptions.
One
point
four
million
older
than
we
had
anticipated,
really
something
we
can't
control
and
I'm
not
in
a
position
to
tell
a
parent
if
their
child
is
sick
or
whatever
no
don't
give
that
prescription.
Because
you
know
we
don't
want
to
do
that.
We
we
do
a
very
good
job
in
providing
that
prescription
costs
for
our
employees
and
their
dependents.
K
We
have
one
of
the
richest
plans
in
the
entire
city.
No
very
few.
Other
employers
have
what
we
have
here
for
our
employees,
so
we're
trying
to
take
care
of
it
we're
trying
to
plan
ahead,
but
we
cannot
control
those
unforeseen.
We
don't
know
what
the
medical
medical
plans
we're
doing.
Good,
we're!
Okay,
you
know
we're
where
we
anticipated
prescription
is
killing
us.
K
I
J
Saying
that
she's,
referring
to
the
whole
thing,
let
me
let
me
I
guess
if
I
may
clarify
a
part
of
it,
we're
talking
about
two
things:
we're
talking
about
a
premium
that
we
just
charge
for
the
insurance.
The
fund
itself
is
only
covering
that
premium,
so
the
premium
was
covered
there.
Then
what
linda
was
addressing
was
you
are
part
of
the
pool
which
is
where
all
city
employees
are,
and
our
retirees
are
so
now
the
claims
that
you're
paying
is
what
she
was
talking
about.
J
K
E
K
K
B
H
G
K
H
J
Sure
yeah
yeah
for
the
dependents.
I
think
the
22
linda
mentioned
seven
fourteen
eighty,
nine
right,
twenty
two
twenty
three
fiscal
year,
yeah
and
then
the
twenty
three
twenty
four,
these
eight
twenty,
two
twelve
yeah
and
then
the
twenty
25
914,
and
I
think
that's
the
last
one
and
it
really
stays
at
900..
J
A
A
A
A
A
Thank
you
for
your
patience,
we're
working
we're
going
to
present
some
pretty
big
articles
here
that
we
have
been
working
diligently
on
because
of
the
time,
and
we
start
again
tomorrow
at
nine.
I
know
there's
going
to
be
a
lot
of
questions
on
these
articles,
so
I
wanted
to
number
one
be
sure
to
present
them
at
the
table.
That
way
you
could
have
them
and
review
them.
A
B
A
A
Explain
where
the
city's
position
and
have
all
that
ready
and
if
there's
anything
you
anticipate
that
you
want
to
see
for
tomorrow
now
is
that
you
know
we
can
address
that
and
hopefully
be
able
to
to
answer
your
questions,
but,
but
I
just
want
to
put
them
on
the
table,
we'll
talk
about
them
and
then
we'll
start
again
at
90
a.m.
Tomorrow,
on
these
fried
eyed
and
bushy
fell
with
lots
of
coffee.
A
A
A
A
This
is
what
the
city
can
can
do
and
we
believe
it
adds
in
you
know
it
is
a
even
though
we're
making
we're
making
some
payments
every
year
or
an
increase
in
every
year.
The
first
year
is
a
lump
sum
payment,
and
what
we
wanted
to
do
was
concentrate
the
additional
pays
to
the
last
four
years
of
the
contract
or
the
excuse
me,
the
increase
in
the
pay
to
the
last
four
years
of
the
contract.
A
A
A
What
we
are
doing
is
creating
a
tier
for
firefighters
appointed
before
october
1
2022
and
then
a
second
tier
for
firefighters,
appointed
on
or
after
october
1..
So
under
d,
one,
the
firefighters
appointed
before
october,
1
2022
everything
remains
the
same:
six
percent
of
base
salary
per
month
for
an
intermediate
certificate
on
the
fire
certificate.
Eight
percent
of
base
salary
for
advanced
fire
certificate,
ten
percent
of
the
base
salary
per
month
for
a
master
fire
certificate
on
two,
let's
see
on
a
d2.
A
C
A
It
would
be
an
additional
hundred
dollars
per
month
for
an
associate's
degree,
an
additional
150
per
month
for
a
bachelor's
degree
and
the
one
that
didn't
change
was
that
the
district
chiefs
receive
an
additional
eight
percent
of
their
bait
of
their
pay
for
an
associate's
degree,
an
additional
ten
percent
of
their
pay
for
bachelor's
degree,
and
we
probably
need
to
clarify,
like
eight
percent
of
what
whatever's
currently
happening
now.
So
there's
no
discrepancy
there
on
g
that
remains
the
same.
A
On
16.2
assignment
pay
is
a
certified
or
licensed
paramedic.
The
assignment
pay
16.2
a
is
for
firefighters
appointed
before
october
1
2022,
and
it
says
in
addition
to
these
base
pay
to
the
base
pay.
It
provides
an
additional
pay
of,
and
it
remains
the
same.
10
of
the
base
salary
for
a
certified
licensed
paramedic
assigned
to
ambulance
rotation,
plus
25
dollars
per
pay
period,
an
additional
five
dollars.
A
shift
of
the
24
shift
will
be
paid
to
each
certified
licensed
paramedic,
who
actually
rides
the
ambulance
b.
A
A
A
16.3
assignment
pay
as
a
state
certified
arson,
investigator
or
inspector.
The
employer
shall
pay
an
additional
pay
to
state
certified
arson
investigators
or
certified
inspectors
assigned
by
the
fire
chief
to
on
to
duty
on
the
city's
fire
prevention
unit.
As
follows
for
all
firefighters
appointed
on
or
before
october
1
2022.
It
remains
the
same,
an
eight
eight
percent
additional
eight
percent
of
the
base
salary,
the
city
and
the
chief
reserve,
the
right
to
determine
the
number
of
arson,
investigators
and
or
inspectors,
and
that
language
doesn't
change
either.
A
16.4
assignment
pay.
As
a
state
certified
instructor
for
firefighters,
appointed
on
eight
for
firefighters
appointed
before
october
1
2022,
it
remains
the
same.
It
would
be.
Eight
percent
of
the
base
salary
and
again
the
chief
in
the
city
reserve
the
right
to
deter,
determine
the
number
of
state
certified
instructors
and
it
lists
out
the
requirements
b.
A
Article
16.5
remains
the
same
assignment
pay
for
state
certified
aircraft,
rescue,
firefighters
or
the
arf.
They
get
the
additional
pay
of
190
190
per
month.
16.6
remains
the
same
hazmat
unit.
Firefighters
receive
an
additional
190
per
month.
16.7
that
remains
the
same.
Rescue
team
firefighter
receives
190
per
month
and
then
16.8
remains
the
same
that
in
the
event
an
employee
is
eligible
to
receive
education,
benefits,
certified
certificate,
pay
and
assignment
pay.
C
A
Okay,
here,
what
the
city
is
proposing
is
30.1
remains
the
same
where
the
employer
deducts
the
employee
contribution
on
a
bi-weekly
basis.
30.2
is
what
has
changed.
The
city
will
maintain
the
21.10
percent
of
the
firefighters
pay
towards
the
lfrs.
That's
that's
the
contribution
that
it's
currently
at
b.
If
the
firefighters
approve
the.
A
Ballot
and
just
to
clarify
on
the
record
the
ballot
that
we're
talking
about
is
the
ballot
that
we've
discussed
here
at
the
table.
That's
currently
pending
for
the
lfrs,
and
if
that
ballot
is
approved,
to
increase
a
pension
contribution
by
at
least
one
percent,
then
the
city
will
contribute
the
following
effective
beginning
the
first
pay
day
of
october
2022,
the
city
shall
contribute
an
additional
0.5.
A
A
It
would
be
an
additional
0.25,
increasing
the
contribution
to
21.60
effective
the
beginning
of
the
first
payday
on
october.
2024
would
be
an
additional
0.25,
bringing
it
up
to
21.85
and
effective
beginning
the
first
payday
of
october
2025.
The
city
will
contribute
an
additional
0.25
for
the
firefighters
paid
towards
lfrs
for
a
total
contribution
at
that
point
of
2020
22.1
point
10
excuse
me,
and
that
would
be
an
increase
of
one
percent
across
the
board.
A
A
A
Firefighters,
who
receive
benefits
from
the
laredo
firefighters
retirement
system,
a
dependent
of
the
of
a
retired
firefighter
who
receives
benefits
from
the
lrfs
or
related
to
a
retired
firefighter
who
receives
retirement
benefits
from
the
lfrs,
and
this
is
important,
because
the
makeup
of
the
board
is,
as
you
know,
dictated
by
statute,
and
it
really
it
asks
where
citizens
or
residents
would
be
able
to
provide
an
objective
viewpoint
in
terms
of
of
what
the
board
needs
to
do.
The
board.
A
The
board
of
trustees
is
in
charge
of
setting
the
benefits,
making
changes
doing
the
ballots,
such
as
you
did.
They
have
a
lot
of
power
with
regard
to
what
the
plan
does
and
so
we're
asking
for
that
objectivity
to
be
included
in
the
board
of
trustees,
and
those
are
the
three
big
articles
that
we
are
proposing
today
and
we
will
take
any
questions
or
any
information
that
you're
requesting
right
now
work
to
try
and
get
that
to
you
for
the
morning
and
we
can,
when
we
open
up
tomorrow
at
9
00
a.m.
B
J
I
J
One
percent
is
about
550
000,
so
if
you
divide
that
into
the
e
amount,
that's
that's
what
we
have
in
there
kind
of
it's
more
definitely
more
than
two
percent
would
be
a
million
one
more
list.
So
it's
actually
like
two
and
a
little
bit
higher,
get
to
the
exact
percentage,
and
normally
we
do.
We
get
more
than
what
we've
done
in
the
past,
for
whether
employees
would
get
1100
bucks
this
year
we
did
850..
J
J
B
C
J
J
That
I
think
that's
why
I
want
to
mention
the
idea
that
in
the
past,
we've
had
academies
and
they're
still
not
firefighters,
and
when
we
come
october,
1st
we're
doing
a
contract
increase
to
them
as
well.
That's
something
we
are
trying
to
achieve
as
well,
so
once
they
graduate
as
cadets
and
they
go
up
they'll
go
to
that
entry
level
firefighter
right.
J
B
B
G
Get
the
arena
to
test
divide
right
and
you
start
making
distinctions
between
people
who
are
hired.
You
know,
after
2022
that
you're
going
to
have
that
problem.
I
mean
I'm
sure
other
cities
who've
implemented.
This
have
have
that
problem,
whether
they
have
trouble
hiring
people,
they
have
trouble
enticing
people
to
join
the
fire
department.
J
The
app
phase
by
the
contract,
so
the
only
way
we
can
have
some
control
there
is
without
impacting
any
of
the
current
firefighters
is
by
doing
that
and,
as
you
know,
last
year
or
the
last
time
we
negotiated,
that
was
an
attempt
that
was
brought
forward.
I
think
there
was
a
little
bit
of
misunderstanding
as
to
back
then
that
they
were.
We
were
trying
to
take
away
from
the
active
firefighters,
and
that
was.
G
H
H
J
About
that's
the
first
10
that
comes
into
play
when
you
get
to
the
line
you're
going
to
have
the
emt
sure,
so
we
have
10
right
off
the
bat
and
then
they
take
them
six
years
to
get
to
the
intermediate,
which
is
a
six
percent.
And
then
throughout
the
third
year
you
move
up,
and
those
are
the
two
bigger
ones
which
are
the
two
ten
percent
eventually.
J
D
D
We've
we've
had
crisis
and
we've
come
to
the
table
with
a
union
in
the
past
or
and
and
we've
said
this
is
happening,
can
you
pause
it
for
a
little
bit
because
we
have?
I
know
we
have
a
collective
bargaining
agreement
with
you.
Can
you
help
us
out,
and
the
answer
has
always
been
no,
and
so
we
have
to
do
without
a
lot
of
other
things.
C
B
D
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To
work
within
the
monies
that
we're
getting
so
we're
like
I
mentioned,
we
get
x
amount
of
money.
We
have
to
comply
with
all
the
contractual
applications
that
we
have
with
either
police
and
fire,
but
any
other
contractual
obligations,
and
then
how
much
do
we
have
left
over?
So
then
we
address
all
the
needs
of
the
cities,
the
city
departments.
You
know
we're
talking
about
vehicles,
we're
talking
about
increasing
contracts
that
we
have
out
there
for
x,
y
and
z,
except.
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Departments
such
as
public
works,
solid
waste
parks,
they
have
not
received
increases
in
the
past
and
when
you
see
in
their
faces
because
they
have
none
and
they
tell
you
man,
how
can
I
survive
on
600
a
month?
A
pay
period?
I'm
sorry
to
feed
my
family.
I
I
can't
tell
them,
because
we've
sacrificed
those
individuals
and
those
salaries
to
give
where
we
contractually
have
to-
and
that's
very
sad
because
they
say
do
I
feed
my
family
or
do
I
pay
my
rent.
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And
I
speak
for
the
firefighters,
but
we
know
that
we
have
to
make
a
change.
So
that's
why
we
have
a
current
value
and
and
so
we're
not
going
to
allow
it
to
go
on.
So
I
just
want
to
clarify
that
once
we
get
the
boat
in
this
one,
we're
gonna
be
in
a
much
better
situation
than
we
were
two
years
ago.
Four
years
ago,
ten
years
ago,.
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So
it
could
be
a
double
it
short
way,
depending
on
how
you
look
at
it,
because
the
more
you
make
the
more
higher
wages,
the
more
higher
salary,
the
higher
the
drop
from
the
pension
plan,
and
that's
why
we're
addressing
some
of
the
benefits
with
the
formula?
And
so
so
it
could
be
a
double
sword.
I
mean
if
we
could
be
slowing
it
down,
yeah
they'll.
Get
yes
is
that
is
that
a
good
thing
for
the
retirement?
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Never
factor
into
their
retirement
because
we
have
to
work
20
years
before
we
retire.
Our
final
average
right
now
is
based
three
out
of
four.
It
might
go
to
five
years
based
on
what
the
guys
vote
on
so
that
would
never
take
effect.
I
think
the
gentleman
here
at
the
table,
we're
trying
to
say,
is,
since
we
take
so
long
to
hire
someone
and
replace
them
and
then
they're
at
a
much
lower
salary
that
doesn't
increase
at
all.
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It's
harder
to
say
might
take
three
cadets
for
that
one
retiree
that
stepped
off.
As
far
as
contribution
is
concerned,
it
might
take
two
you
might
take.
You
know
just
depending
on
the
math
of
who
left
and
basing
it
on
on
a
fifty
thousand
dollar
salary
instead
of
a
seventy
thousand
dollars
saturday,
just
that
percentage,
there's
less
money
going
in
for
those
18
months,
plus.
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We
learned
from
those
past
experiences
and
what
we're
doing,
for
example,
right
now,
is
there's
going
to
be
more
firefighters
coming
on
the
pipeline.
There's
there's
one
station
coming
up,
there
might
be
another
station
coming
up,
that's
going
to
require
more
personnel,
more
money
coming
in
so
there's
a
lot
of
moving
parts
to
the
pension,
and
it's
touched
by
at
page.
It's
touched
by
the
cadet
there's
a
lot
of
moving
parts
and-
and
we
have
an
actual
arrow-
that
kind
of
looks
at
that
and
makes
those
recommendations
you
know.
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That
that
can
come
up,
unitec
and
and
and
in
the
south,
so
we
have
these.
If,
when
we
do,
if
when
we
do,
we
need
to
be
prepared
financially
to
meet
all
the
obligations
and
there's
only
so
much
money
that
is
generated
by
property
taxes
and
all
our
other
sources
right.
So
we
know
we'll
have
to
add
additional
personnel.
So
how
do
we
do
that?
Every
firefighter?
What
do
we
calculate,
and
I
ask
you
to
every
firefighter
that
we
add-
I
know
that
I
could
have
remembered
for
every
firefighter.
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So
the
current
employees
active
employees
are
there
the
minute
you
retire
and
I
have
to
pay
you
whatever
it
is
that
you
have,
that
is
that
was
not
budgeted
this
year
for
the
first
time.
Historically,
we
budgeted
for
those
30
35
retirees
that
we
were
told
were
going
to
happen.
What,
if
it's
40?
What?
If
it's
50?
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A
It
there's
not
an
actual
additional
payout
that
happens
when
you
take
a
sick
day
or
a
vacation
day.
It
just
means
that
you're
going
to
continue
to
get
paid
your
salary
and
your
benefits,
and
you
can
take
the
day
off
so
there's
not
an
actual
payment
of
it,
but
when,
at
the
end,
when
those
days
have
not
been
used
and
now
they
need
to
be
paid
out,
that's
an
additional
monies
that
that
actually
has
to
be
paid
out.
That
was
not
part
of
what
the
leave
was.
It
was
first
being
used
for.
So
that's
that's.
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It's
just
that
whenever
any
employee
with
a
buyer
or
just
registered
employee
when
they
talk
when
we
talk
about
crunching
numbers,
we
always
say:
well,
it's
not
the
salary
they're
taking
home,
it's
a
benefit
package.
You
have
to
include,
and
you
have
to
balloon
it
by
20
30
000,
and
they
tell
us.
We
have
to
consider
that
in
our
budget,
in
fact,
it's
not
until
they
retire
and
like
us.
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J
To
4,
000.
and
and
so
they're
retiring
at
a
higher
rate.
Okay-
and
you
know
there
are
payouts
on
the
just-
the
gross
payouts
are
150
000,
140
130,
it's
getting
better.
I
can
tell
you
it
was
worse
before
and
I
think
part
of
that
had
to
do
with
the
it's
coming
to
an
end.
Well,
it
and
part
of
that
had
to
do
with
maxing
out
the
1440.,
so
I
mean
back
then
it
could
have
that
could
have
been
seen
as
a
takeaway,
because
people
were
unlimited.
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Firefighters
were
unlimited,
we
reduced
it
to
1440,
but
because
we
had
that
issue
and
and
we
came
to
the
table
and
we
negotiated
and
we
found
a
common
ground
and
and
it's
in
both
our
interests,
you
know
moving
forward,
you
know,
so
that
was
one
example,
but
the
lump
sum
for
because
of
the
sickly.
It's
unlimited.
J
It's
coming
to
the
end
as
you're
saying,
but
I
know
we
were
touching
on
one
of
those
articles
again
and
bring
it
back
to
unlimited,
and
I'm
saying,
let's
be
very
careful
to
consider
that,
because
it's
going
to
throw
us
back
to
what
we
where
we
were
at
ten
years
ago
and
then
we're
gonna,
we're
gonna
have
to
start.
You
know.
Unfortunately,
some
some
stuff
are
takeaways.
J
Like
you're,
saying
and
yeah
I
mean
the
thing:
is
that
we're
not
taking
away
from
anybody
that
is
currently
has
that
that
benefit
right
now
that
happened
so
we're
trying
not
to
affect
people
that
are
already
here.
So
yes,
it's
going
to
take
us
another
10
to
15
years.
To
kind
of
you
know
phase
it
out,
but
you
know
that's
what
we're
trying
to
do
we're
being
conscious
about
that,
because
that
was
part
of
what
came
out
last
time.
We
were
taking
away
that
from
from
the
fire.
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To
be
with
tyrants,
so
if
the
boy,
if
the
members
of
the
board
are
part
of
the
firefighters
in
the
city
and
then
you're
voting
on
the
citizens
and
the
firefighters
already
have
a
majority,
I
mean,
if
there's
there's
an
agreement
that
the
that
the
citizens
will
be
remain
objective
and
not
be
receiving
benefits
or
related
to
anybody
receiving
benefits,
because
they
have
a
direct
vote
on
the
plan
and
the
benefits
and
everything.
That's
not
something
you're
saying:
that's,
not
something
that
could
be
done.
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You
know,
but
I
mean
there's
some
things
in
in
this
article-
that
arthur
29
that
kind
of
go
against
what
our
book
it
says
as
well,
but
we
follow
with
what
it
says
here
and
that's
what
I
was
asking.
How
are
we
going
to
dictate
this
to
something
that
is
followed
on
state
statute,
a
dictate
to
a
board?