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From YouTube: Collective Bargaining Meeting, 05/12/2023
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Collective Bargaining Meeting, 05/12/2023
B
Right,
it
is
May
12th,
1
12
p.m.
The
city
is
here
at
fire
station
headquarters
or
with
the
Union
to
collectively
bargain
for
the
next
contract
and
I.
Believe.
Last
time
we
were
here,
the
membership
had
a
proposal,
and
today
we
are
discussing
a
counter
proposal
from
the
city.
Mr
Lionel
sign
in
real
quick.
B
Efforts
in
trying
to
come
up
with
a
creative
solution
to
fix
up
the
issue
of
the
ad
pace,
and
after
costing
everything
out
speaking
with
our
budget
director
and
our
Deputy
city
manager,
it
seemed
as
though,
while
a
very
I
guess
creative
solution.
It
was
a
little
too
costly
right
now.
I
mean
this
may
be
something
that
can
possibly
be
done
in
the
future.
It's
just
right
now
with
the
state
of
the
economic
affairs
with
the
city
and
things
that
are
transpiring
and
other.
B
This
is
what
we
came
up
with
in
terms
of
a
contract
increase,
so
starting
June
1st
of
this
year,
you
will
get
a
two
percent
increase
across
every
rank
and
then
an
additional
two
percent
starting
October
1st
of
this
year
as
well,
so
in
a
calendar
year.
That's
about
four
percent
of
an
increase
towards
your
salaries
and
then
an
additional
two
percent
on
October
1st
of
2024
and
an
additional
two
percent
starting
October
1st
2025
after
costing
that
out
and
compounding
new
monies.
B
That
would
be
a
commitment
across
the
life
of
this
contract
of
about
10.7
million
dollars.
As
far
as
pension
contributions
concerned,
we
know
that
2.67
is
what
your
actuary
predicted
to
keep
your
fund
healthy.
We
took
that
into
consideration
and
we're
proposing
a
1.5
over
the
life
of
this
contract,
0.25
starting
June
1st
0.20
of
this
year
and
then
another
quarter
percent
starting
October
1st
of
this
year
and
then
half
a
percentage
on
October,
1st
2024
and
an
additional
half
a
percentage
starting
October
1st
2025.
B
This
gets
us
to
a
total
of
one
and
a
half
percent
of
a
pension
contribution
costing
the
city
over
the
next
three
and
a
half
years,
1.3
million
dollars
for
a
grand
total
of
20
million
12
million
dollars
over
the
life
of
this
contract.
We
figured
that
with
1.5
and
then
the
additional
one
percent
that
you
are
contributing
starting
October
1st
of
this
year.
That
gets
you
to
about
2.5
just
a
little
shy
of
the
2.67
that
you're
going
to
need
to
keep
your
fund
healthy.
B
We
understand
that
this
is
a
shared
interest,
making
sure
that
your
pension
is
healthy
and,
after
speaking,
with
some
of
the
people
on
your
pension
board
and
the
buyer
and
the
membership,
we
know
that
you're
taking
steps
to
making
sure
that
it's
healthy
to
making
responsible
choices
for
benefit
increases
in
order
to
keep
the.
In
order
to
maintain
that
fund.
We
ask
that
you
continue
to
be
conservative
with
benefit
increases.
B
We
ask
that
you
continue
to
take
the
appropriate
steps
to
make
sure
that
your
fund
is
healthy
and
that
you
ensure
the
longevity
of
that
fund.
We're
also
asking
that
this
1.3
million
dollars
cannot
be
used
for
Actuarial
review
with
regard
to
benefit
increases.
So
if
there's
going
to
be
a
review
in
the
future
for
the
life
of
this
contract
to
determine
whether
or
not
a
benefit
increase
is
appropriate,
we
ask
that
the
actuary
not
take
this
1.3
million
dollars
into
into
into
consideration.
B
And
one
final
last
on
that
particular
issue
is
I
know
that
there's
been
issues
with
the
two
votes
on
your
pension
board
that
are
non-fire
related
with
this.
We
are
asking
for
one
vote
and
and
I
know
that
the
the
issue
or
one
member
for
giving
one
member
of
the
pension
board.
We
understand
that
these
are
positions
that
are,
you
know,
not
paid.
It's
going
to
be
very
difficult
to
fill
these
positions.
B
We
heard
you
and
we
are,
are
I
guess
our
proposal
doesn't
mean
that
it's
someone
who's
non-fire
firefighter
Affiliated,
it's
an
either
or
proposition
from
the
city.
What
we're
asking
is
that
this
vote
on
the
pension
board
or
this
member
on
the
pension
board
is
either
one
a
firefighter
with
certain
degree
qualifications.
Maybe
you
know
a
master's
degree
in
accounting
or
a
CPA,
someone
who
has
a
someone
who
has
a
professional
responsibility
to
making
sure
that
the
numbers
make
sense
or
it's
a.
B
Retiring,
forgive
me
retirement.
My
apologies
are
retiring
with
some
sort
of
financial
background,
whether
it
be
a
CPA
or
some
degree
in
finance,
some
previous
experience
or
someone
who
is
not
fire
firefighter
Affiliated,
someone
who
is
not
going
to
benefit
in
one
way
from
any
of
the
decisions
made
before
the
board.
Just
one
vote,
that's
what
we're
asking
for
with
this
and
I
know
that
your
previous,
your
first
proposal
when
we
began
this
on
economic
terms,
was
about
15
million
dollars
and
with
us
giving
up
on.
B
B
F
Give
you
a
quick
question.
Yes,
sir
I
know
you
mentioned
speaking
rates
a
whole
time
to
talk
about
that
position.
Is
there
a
specific
reason
why
CPA
I
can
understand
the
government
broker?
I
could
understand
some
type
of
Financial
and
express
something
like
that.
The
CPA
I
just
don't
know
how
that's
irrelevant,
because
you
mentioned
it
several
times
and
because
of
that
position,
I
don't
see
how
having
a
tax
person
on
that
board
helps.
D
B
F
Okay,
another
thing
that
you
mentioned
to
be
continuously
responsible
and
benefit
increases.
We
haven't
had
benefit
increases,
oh
and
that's.
Fine,
I'm,
just
I
want
to
be
clear
that
the
the
people
listening
understand
that
this
money,
and
in
the
last
18
years
we
haven't
had
of
an
increase
in
spoken.
Can
you
tell
us
the
last
time
we
had
benefit
increase.
A
D
F
E
C
E
G
What
would
happen
so
if
we
come
back
quickly,
it's
not
because
we're
just
throwing
numbers
in
the
air
and
pretending
like
if
you
know
making
stuff
up,
we
actually
have
a
good
idea
of
what
certain
things
are
going
to
cost
and
if
we
pricing
a
certain
way,
what
impact
it
would
have
on
Earth
on
the
contract
or
the
life
of
a
contract.
Just
for
the
record
in
case.
D
G
The
math
looking
at
the
amount
of
monies
and
pricing
things
out
right,
so
our
first
proposal
was
at
around
15
million
dollars
just
for
the
record,
because
that
was
the
city's
first
proposal.
I
know
the
city
later
on
claimed
that
I
don't
know.
If
any
of
you
were.
There
claimed
that
there
was
a
mistake
in
an
accident.
I
find
it
very
hard
to
believe
that
multi-million
dollar
mistake
would
would
occur
like
that.
G
Knowing
how
well
the
city
looks
at
the
financials
and
looks
at
the
numbers
and
in
efforts
for
us
to
expedite
negotiations
and
make
sure
we
have
an
agreement,
we
gave
a
presentation
of
what
the
races
were
across
the
state.
We
gave
a
presentation
of
what
our
Fighters
were
getting
across
the
state
and
then
the
value
that
I
guess
their
cities
were.
G
G
But
we
knew
that
we
were
going
to
come
together
and
try
to
come
in
agreement.
We
knew
where
we
stood
and
we
weren't
trying
to
compare
to
ourselves
to
other
cities,
because
if
we
did,
our
initial
proposal
would
have
been
a
lot
higher.
That
being
said,
on
the
raises,
we
counter
with
the
our
initial
raises
two
and
a
half
the
first
year
same
dates
that
you
have
here
two
and
a
half
the
second
year,
three
percent
and
three
percent.
The
math
on
that
is
who
has
the.
F
C
B
G
And
I
was
getting
that
is
actually
or
sorry
for
the
first
and
second
year.
Percentage
rates
are
are
less
or
smaller
percentages
than
what
departments
across
the
Rio
Grande
are
getting.
El
Paso
is
averaging
three
for
the
next
four
Corpus
is
averaging
three
and
I'm
using
cities
that
the
city
is
brought
up
in
the
past.
G
If
I'm
not
mistaken,
Michigan
is
averaging
four
to
six
depending
on
the
year.
It's
a
sixth
and
a
four.
So
a
lot
of
these
cities
are
getting
fours
and
sixes
we're
proposing
a
two
and
a
half.
We
understand
that
maybe
our
pay
might
be
a
little
bit
higher
and
we're
coming
to
with
the
first
proposal
that
we
actually
gave
us
with
in
mind
of
working
with
the
city
and
and
understanding
that
why
we
know
how
long
these
negotiations
have
taken,
why
being
around
the
bush?
G
Let's
just
get
to
something
we
can
agree
to,
which
is
why
our
initial
proposal
was
at
15
million
dollars,
if
probably
about
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
less
than
the
city's
first
proposal
close
to
about
nine
months
ago
or
a
year
ago,
whatever
it
was,
so
our
proposal
on
razors
stays
the
same
or
I'm.
Sorry,
because
we
had
all
the
proposals.
G
We
go
back
to
our
initial
proposal
and
the
reason
why
we
go
back
to
is
because
that's
the
proposal,
where
we
put
more
effort
into
looking
at
the
numbers
not
trying
to
compare
to
other
cities
just
using
what
we
felt
was
ideal
and
going
off
of
what
the
city
had
initially
proposed.
Already.
There
was
something
that
we
know
knowing
the
work
that
the
city's
team
does.
We
knew
that
the
city
knew
that
they
could.
They
could
fund
that
amount.
G
B
If
I
may-
and
this
is
just
to
pay
your
father
record
and
I
get
it
verifications
are
happening
on
both
sides
of
the
table.
I
believe
because
I
was
part
of
that
team
and
I
know
that
there
was
a
calculation
error
based
on
compounding
a
lump
sum
right.
I.
Remember
that
the
first
amount
that
was
proposed
part
of
this.
B
G
G
So
our
initial
proposals
on
the
pension
was
a
half
percent,
half
percent
half
percent
and
one
percent
we're
going
to
from
the
2.67
we're
reducing
to
2.5,
but
we're
going
with
a
quarter
percent
the
first
year
quarter
percent
the
second
year
a
quarter
percent
of
third
year
and
a
one
point:
seven
five
percent
the
last
year
t
equal
2.5
percent
that
should
reduce
you,
guys
price
it
at
two
at
12
million
and
change
well.
Well,
it
was
initially
12
million
and
change.
We
had
it
at
15
million.
G
We
believe
that
should
get
us
down
to
something
around
4
to
14.2
14.3
million.
Not
more
so,
we
are
shaving
off
about
a
million
dollars
there
for
the
contract,
just
shifting
the
numbers
and
reducing
it
a
little
bit
on
the
pension
contribution
now
I
know
you
mentioned
that
our
initial
2.69,
our
firefighters,
voted
to
put
one
percent
in
and
the
city's
kind
of,
using
that
to
equal
to
the
to
get
the
2.5.
G
B
G
Benefit
decreases
have
been
occurring,
correct
and
contribution
increases
have
been
occurring,
so
we
understand
the
position
we're
in
and
we
understand
this
is
a
joint
effort
with
the
city.
We
feel
this
should
cut
about
close
to
800
000.
On
our
initial
proposal.
Your
your
proposal
was
12
million,
so
on
the
raises,
we
go
back
to
the
same
amount
and
for
the
reasons
we
said.
If
you
look
across
the
state,
we're
actually
proposing
a
smaller
percentage
increases
than
any
City
or
size
or
larger.
Okay.
C
C
B
E
B
G
The
tmrs
that's
an
extra
contribution
that
it's
given,
so
we
we
added
them
because
one
it's
one's
given
to
the
funnier,
that's
given
to
the
to
the
other
account.
So
when
you
add
them
up,
that's
where,
if
actually
with
these
contributions
from
the
city
on
our
end,
we
would
actually
be
we're
about
yeah.
We're
we're
third
actually
would
be.
Third.
Currently
we
sit
at
fifth
or
fourth
four,
so
it
would
be
third
now
mind
you.
G
E
G
So
so
the
issue
is
no
and
I,
don't
know
if
you
want
to
get
into
the
comparing
the
pension
benefits
and
contributions
or
these
other
cities
cbas,
and
what
other
benefits
they
may
add
or
give
to
them.
For
example,
San
Antonio,
the
firefighters
and
employees
are
capped
at
200
insurances,
which
is
why
we
brought
it
forward.
The
city
mentioned
San
Antonio.
G
They
probably
have
a
cap
for
their
retirees.
Maybe
the
city
contributes
more
now.
We
would
probably
take
a
less
benefit
if
the
city
would
contribute
something
like
that.
So
the
compare
it
I
guess
we
could
go
through
the
exercise,
all
I'm
trying
to
say
is
it
well,
you
mentioned
yes,
this
contribution
would
put
us
what
second
or
third
I
just
want
to
point
out
that
we're
already
about.
Fourth,
as
far
as
the
city's
contribution,
so
we
kind
of
keep
pace
of
where
we're
at
yeah.
G
It's
probably
because
the
firefighters
have
opted
to
double
the
amount
that
other
people
are
putting
in,
and
we've
had
this
discussion
with
people
in
the
city
for
over
a
decade
and
a
half
and
every
time
it
comes
up,
they
say:
well,
you
get
it
a
bit
more
in
your
benefits
like
well,
yes,
but
you
only
contributed
seven
percent.
If
you
want
to
contribute
16,
you
could
probably
take
a
bigger
benefit.
G
Quick
answer
is
yeah
I'm
not
going
to
contribute
that
amount?
Okay,
but
we've
opted.
We've
chose
to
contribute
16
out
of
our
paychecks
out
of
our
the
money
we
earn
and
which
is
why?
Probably
in
some
areas,
we
probably
get
a
little
bit
better
benefit.
It's
not
a
lot
these
days,
but
I
can
see.
It
is
a
little
bit
more,
but
then
again
we
contribute
more
than
half
for
every
dollar.
The
average
person
is
contributing.
We
contribute
about
2.20
cents.
G
D
A
B
B
B
Two
percent
increase
for
the
following
year:
October
1st
2024
and
finally
October
1st
2025,
a
two
percent
increase
for
a
total
of
nine
and
a
half
percent
over
the
life
of
the
contract.
Coming
to
a
grand
total
of
12
million
seven
hundred
and
two
thousand
dollars.
I'm
sorry
was
that
12
million
what
702.
B
B
quarter
percent
or
a
grand
total
of
one
point:
almost
1.8
million
dollars.
Well,
that's
one
point:
five
percent,
that's
1.5,
and
in
addition
to
that,
we
will
be
requesting
one
vote
or
one
member
of
the
pension
board
be
either
non-fire
firefighter
Affiliated,
meaning
they
are.
They
have
no
interest
in
in
the
pension
whatsoever
or
it
could
be
a
retiree
of
the
fire
department
with
certain
qualifications,
anything
from
a
CPA
or
any
Financial
background.
It
could
be
either
or.
B
G
29
our
proposal
we'll
print
that
out,
okay
also,
and
then
everything
else
stays
the
same.
Yes,
sir.
What
about
on
the
Staffing
as
far
as
if
the
city
doesn't
hire?
Is
the
city
going
to
contribute
to
the
pension?
Look.
The
whole
issue
is
the
shortages
that
happen
not
all
of
them,
but
a
good
amount
of
the
shortages
is
because
environment
are
higher.
So
when
we
contribute
16,
the
city
is
supposed
to
contribute.
You
know
whatever
percentage
it
is
that
money's
not
going
to
that
fund
so
set
aside
what
the
stock
market
is
doing.
G
The
fund
is
short
million
to
three
million
dollars
in
any
given
year
in
the
interest
for
the
dependent
coverage
right,
so
the
insurance
under
the
retiring
independent
fund,
those
shortages
aren't
because
our
math
is
not
checking
out
it's
because
we're
short
5500,
so
they're
contributing
100
a
month.
That's
yeah,
five
thousand
dollars
a
month.
It's
not
going
through
the
fund,
so
those
shortages
are
are
not
being
caused.
Now
it's
non-monetary
to
the
city,
if
the
city
hires
the
farm
and
has
the
contracts.
G
G
Is
why
we're
not
asking
for
more
we're
just
asking
that
after
so
many
months
will
the
city
want
to?
Well,
you
know
what
we're
going
to
hold
you
under
your
full
screen
for
two
more
years,
and
maybe
we
should
contribute
a
or
feed
to
the
and
not
to
the
department,
it's
to
the
actual
fund
that
that
is
calculated
based
on
a
retail
the
fund.
We
have
407
firefighters,
the
moment
that
we
decide
that
there's
50
firefighters,
short
the
funds.
Automatics
is
the
way
you
promised
that
you
were
going
to
give
this
amount
of
money.
So.
D
D
However,
you
know
there
is
a
commitment
for
an
Academy
there's,
a
commitment
to
stand
up
two
new
stations,
so
we
believe
that
I
believe
that
this
would
not
have
a
problem
for
you
all
being
you
know
under
Personnel,
and
if
it's
something
that
that's
still
there
and
I
think
that's
something
we
can
raise
it
to
the
next
kind
of
negotiations.
But
right
now
we
don't
have
the
ability
to
make
that
just
to
be
clear
when.
F
You're
talking
about
opening
up
a
two
new
fire
stations,
then
we're
not
looking
at
470
ftes
anymore,
two
new
fire
stations,
even
with
the
proper
personal
life
of
the
contract.
We're
still
short,
that's
the
point,
so
the
so.
The
promise
of
opening
two
new
stations
doesn't
solve
the
shortage
problem
unless.
F
G
G
We
handed
the
article
29
and
I
guess
we'll
we'll
start
with
the
counter
off
of
what
the
city
proposed
on
Raiders
and
pension
and
go
into
article
29
and
that'll.
Explain
why
a
minor
counter
to
your
proposal
and
being
proposal?
Okay,
okay,
so
on
the
raises
the
9.5
percent
we're
in
agreement
we're
asking,
though,
that
half
a
percent
move
from
the
2025
year
to
October
1st
23.
G
C
G
In
addition,
the
employers
will
pay
50
of
the
monthly
contribution
for
the
employees,
depending
on
said
health
benefits
program.
Dependence
shall
be
defined
and
limited
to
the
employee
spouse
his
or
her
children
and
any
children
legally
adopted
by
employee
or
the
spouse.
We
kind
of
rewarded
the
language
you
can
check
it
with
the
CBA
language.
It
doesn't
change
the
contributions
or
basically
the
premiums
or
the
amounts
that
each
party
is
paying.
G
This
coverage
shall
only
be
diminished
in
the
course
of
this
agreement
if
it
covers
for
employees
and
diminished
I
think
that's
worked
for
what
maybe
it
was
just
put
in
right
by
accident.
So
9.4
death
benefit.
It's
a
cleanup
on
the
language
to
the
instead
of
the
employees
for
the
retiree
upon
death.
G
The
reason
why
city
has
the
full-time
staff
to
basically
they're
monitoring
this
they're
looking
at
it,
we
would
like
at
least
some
assistance
for
our
retirees.
We
don't
know
what
condition
they're
going
to
be
at
that
age,
so
we're
asking
you
know
City
users
staff
to
go
ahead
and
help
them
through
that
process.
What
we
don't
want
to
see
is
that
the
retiree
or
the
Widow
be
left
out,
because
they
forgot
to
put
out
some
paperwork
or
forgot
to
sign
something.
G
E
G
So
when
it
comes
to
the
monetary
side,
we
took
into
consideration
the
percentages
of
Ms
Pennington
gave
Mr
Delgado
built
them
in,
and
this
is
why
we're
asking
for
that
ship,
so
retired
dependent
Fund
in
June
2023.
The
association
agrees
to
have
the
city
deduct
77.50
going
up
from
the
59,
so
it's
a
40
is
more
per
pay
period
per
employee,
followed
up
by
the
effective.
The
first
period
of
October,
2017
Association
agrees
to
have
the
city
deduct.
85
per
pay
period
per
employee
affected,
the
first
pay
period
of
October
24.
G
The
next
paragraph
describes
how
much
the
retires
would
pay.
We
took
the
10
increase,
the
projections.
I
know
the
city
gave
us
three.
We
went
ahead
and
added
an
extra
10
on
the
fourth
year
of
the
contract.
Just
in
case
we
just
figured
going
on
I
know
the
city
projection
did
not
have
a
percentage
on
the
fourth
year
that
we
went
ahead
and
built
in
a
10
buffer,
whether
there's
an
increase
or
not.
G
That's
the
way.
We
go
all
the
way
to
the
end
of
the
contract
with
the
life
of
the
contract.
So
the
next
paragraph,
June
1st
2023,
the
retired,
firefighter
retiree
or
his
or
her
independent
agrees
to
have
agrees
to
a
premium
determined
by
gross
monthly
benefit
and
will
be
paid
each
month
for
the
life
of
this
agreement.
G
If
sorry,
if
gross
monthly
benefit,
is
more
than
five
thousand
dollars
monthly,
the
premium
will
be
366
dollars,
starting
in
June
1st,
effective
October
1st
2023.
If
gross
monthly
benefit
is
more
than
five
thousand
dollars
monthly,
the
premium
will
be
400.19,
effective,
October,
1st
2024,
if
gross
monthly
benefit
is
more
than
five
thousand
dollars
monthly.
The
premium
will
be
449,
449.50,
effective,
October,
1st
2025.
If
gross
monthly
benefit
is
more
than
five
thousand
dollars
monthly,
the
premium
will
be
507.82
cents.
These
payments
are
intended
to
cover
the
cost
of
the
retirees
dependent
medical
coverage.
G
So
that's
what
we
can
open
on
the
map,
then,
at
the
end,
if,
at
the
end
of
the
life
of
this
agreement,
there
is
a
surplus
to
the
fire
retire
dependent
upon
the
Surplus
shall
be
applied
to
Future
cost
of
said
fund.
Hope
you
have
a
contract.
If
there's
any
surpluses
hundred
thousand
dollars
ten
dollars,
one
million
dollars,
we
apply
it
to
the
next
CBA
and
reduce
those
amounts
29.8.
The
city
does
not
maintain
the
Staffing
levels
pursuant
to
article
12.
The
city
shall
contribute
the
contributions
owed
from
each
vacant.
B
G
And
so,
and,
and
so
we're,
what
we're
looking
at
is
why
we
shifted
the
percentage
pay
is
because,
within
a
matter
of
months,
we're
asking
the
firefighters
to
contribute
close
to
27
26,
lower
paycheck.
It
basically
is
looking
for
that
race
there,
so
the
other
part
about
it
is
what
it's
only
asking
the
city
to
contribute
the
firefighters
contribution.
So
if
we're
at
the
end
of
the
contract
and
it's
a
hundred
dollars-
and
it's
been
three
months-
if
we're
short,
five
firefighters-
that's
500
per
paycheck-
is
what
it
is.
G
So
we
don't
think
it's
a
huge
amount,
but
we
think
we
can
determine
how
the
city
is
going
to
conduct
business
when
they're
going
to
hire
anything
like
that.
But
at
least
those
funds
will
be
there
for
any
shortages,
and
we've
discussed
on
the
stacking.
Where
of
what
the
issue
is
and
I
think
that's
a
bigger
amount
in
this
case,
if
it's
10
firefighters,
that's
a
thousand
dollars
a
paycheck,
and
so
that's
that
the
city
would
contribute
to
the
fund
until
those
man
powers
is
higher.
G
E
G
Being
said,
though,
then
we
would
like
to
include
language
that
an
academy
is
started
and
we
are
fully
funded
by
the
date
that
the
city
steps
into
that
language
one
more
time,
so
we
included
in
the
contract
exactly
what
the
city
is
saying.
This
is
their
goal,
we're
going
to
start
accounting
by
this
name,
so
we
can
put
it
into
the
CBA
that
an
academy
will
be
started
by
this
day.
B
G
Only
the
only
reason
is
the
city's
counter
to
what
we're
mentioning
is
the
shortfalls
of
the
pension
fund
and
some
of
these
funds
is
that
we're
going
to
hire
an
academy.
But
if
the
wording
is
not
going
to
be
well,
then
you
contribute
the
part
that
the
firefighter
that
should
be
higher
by
the
CBA
is
there
and
the
city
says
no,
we're
not
going
to
do
that,
because
we
are
hiring
Academy.
What
we're
saying
is:
okay,
prove
it.
F
Here
we
had
a
push-up
built
into
this
last
contract,
massive
coaching,
we
saw
what
happened.
I
mean
we
can't
control
y'all,
not
hiring.
We
just
can't
you
know,
and
and
that's
fine,
if
you
all
make
a
choice
to
not
hire,
there's
massive
savings
by
not
hiring
even
with
the
overtime,
but
we
all
know
that
the.
G
Overtime,
business
and
then
we
can
say
by
Saving
you
understand
if
the
city
Shores,
where
we're
going
to
make
the
money
and
that's
fine
but
I,
don't
I,
don't
know
if
the
decisional
decisions
are
being
made.
If
all
these
other
accounts
are
being
contemplated,
I'm
sure
this
one
isn't
because
it's
such
a
small
account.
It
only
deals
with
so
many
retirees
who
are
not
even
active
employees.
It
only
affects
us
right.
F
G
Sure
that
it's
not
really
on
the
radar
of
when
these
massive
decisions
are
being
made
grant
that,
but
we
are
saying
that
the
small
amount
that's
been
shorted.
We
don't
see
how
the
city
would
not
say.
You
know
what,
if
it's
going
to
be
four
or
five
hundred
dollars
a
paycheck
and
we're
going
to
hire
in
September
or
July
or
October
sure
we'll
kick
in
the
extra
eight
thousand
dollars,
because
what
ends
up
happening
is
that
moves
on
and
so
the
next
contract.
G
All
that
comes
up
is
again
I'll,
see
because
of
you
guys
very
short.
Two
hundred
thousand
dollars,
which
is
like
Randall,
said
we
had
our
quarter
million
I,
think
in
dollar
Surplus,
and
it
wasn't
that
we
weren't
funding
it
appropriate.
It
wasn't
that
our
math
wasn't
enough
or
contributing
enough
to
make
sure
the
fund
was
funded.
It
was
because
we
were
short
40-55s
so
once
we
shorted
to
fund
that
amount
of
money,
because
we're
basing
this
on
407
right.
E
G
B
G
C
B
B
Thank
you
very
much
or
have
the
city
contributes
to
the
retiree
dependent
fund,
any
money
that
may
be
a
shortfall
if
there
if
there
aren't
407
ftes,
however,
in
lieu
of
or
I
guess
in
response
to
that,
I
guess
what
we're
prepared
to
do
is
to.
In
the
first
year
in
Article,
15,
propose
a
contract
decrease
at
three
and
then
a
second,
and
that
would
be
June
1st
of
2023
October
1st.
It
would
be
another
three
percent,
so
we'd
be
essentially
moving
a
half
a
percent
in
year,
four
to
year,
two
yeah.