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A
B
A
C
A
A
D
What
the
the
ordinance
and
the
agenda
note,
that
is,
if
more
than
three
people
sign
up
for
a
single
item,
that
they're
supposed
to
discuss
amongst
themselves,
which
three
are
gonna,
get
to
give
the
presentation.
Okay,
also
remind
the
Commission
as
a
as
citizen
comment,
citizens
aren't
sworn.
This
is
just
comments
to
you:
they're,
not
evidence
for
any
evidentiary
hearing.
If
you
haven't
actually
interviewed
okay.
D
A
A
F
Well,
the
record
for
the
record.
My
name
is
David
card.
Well,
I
understand
what
mr.
Henry
is
saying,
but
this
topic
is
so
important.
What's
three
more
speakers,
why
not
here
the
nine
speakers,
maybe
some
of
them
will
be
in
your
time
limit
and
give
them
an
opportunity
that
would
be
number
one.
Next
thing
is
what,
if
each
speaker
has
something
a
little
bit
different
and
something
relevant
that
maybe
the
other
speakers
didn't
say
so,
in
other
words,
you're
saying
your
three
minutes
will
be
out
regardless,
if
you
say
something,
that's
relevant.
F
That
might
be
different.
You
don't
know
what
we're
going
to
say
yet,
because
you
haven't
heard
us.
My
comments
has
nothing
to
do
with
what
is
it
5a
and
5b?
Yes,
all
right.
My
comments
does
not
reference
those
two
individuals,
so
you
didn't
know
that
mr.
Henry,
so
why
not?
Let
us
speak
I
mean
what
is
it
six
plus
three?
What
is
it
hurt
tonight.
B
E
F
Chairman
and
commission
members,
for
the
record,
my
name
is
David
chord.
Will
the
city
code
of
ordinance,
section,
2,
3,
9,
7,
open
government
compliance
first
statement
in
the
paragraph
States
proceedings
of
the
Ethics
Commission
shall
be,
and
compliance
with
a
Texas,
open,
meeting
act
and
preserved
by
written
and
audio
recordings,
having
complete
written
meeting
minutes,
preserved
and
elect
and
available
to
the
public
is
essential
for
an
open
and
transparent
government
entity.
F
More
so
for
this
Ethics
Commission,
your
meeting
minutes
and
agendas
should
be
posted
on
the
ethics
code
website
for
all
citizens
to
view
any
time
of
the
day
or
night.
But
my
research
shows
there
are
numerous
minutes
and
agendas,
not
posted
on
your
website
regarding
the
April
10
2019
meeting.
That
is
not
posted
and
that's
three
months
ago
and
the
minutes
have
not
been
posted
yet
dr.
pena
and
must
have
gave
presentations.
F
Then,
at
your
request
we
stood
at
this
podium
for
a
Q&A
and
then
you
requested,
we
submit
our
comments
in
writing
and
we
did.
I
would
bet
that
when
these
minutes
are
posted,
they
will
be
similar
to
your
other
posted
minutes,
which
are
skeleton
minutes.
While
our
presentations
and
comments
just
fall
into
a
black
hole,
skeleton
meeting
minutes
are
incomplete,
written
minutes
because
they
do
not
preserve
in
writing
complete
discussions
and
presentations.
F
How
can
the
average
citizen
be
aware
of
the
business
this
Ethics
Commission
is
going
to
address
or
the
actions
taken
if
your
minutes
and
agendas
are
not
posted,
think
about
tonight's
agenda
and
the
minutes
from
your
previous
meeting
neither
are
posted
on
your
website.
Neither
so
again,
how
can
an
average
citizen
know
what
topics
is
going
to
be
discussed
tonight
and
why
it
was
going
to
be
discussed?
Do
you
have
any
plans
to
correct
this
matter
because
it
needs
fixing?
F
Are
you
violating
the
Texas
open
meeting
act
by
not
preserving
complete
written
minutes?
I,
see
no
reason
for
this
matter
to
be
referred
to
mr.
Henry
or
mrs.
Hale,
because
this
Ethics
Commission
was
created
to
be
an
independent
government
body.
You
need
to
make
your
own
decisions
and
only
consult
with
mr.
Henry
or
mrs.
Hale.
When
you
seriously
need
legal
and
I
repeat
that
seriously
need
legal
guidance.
F
Do
the
right
thing
take
your
duty
and
your
responsibility
to
the
citizens
seriously
and
if
there
are
deficiencies
in
the
code
of
ethics
regarding
oversight
of
the
City,
Council
and
city
employees
then
create
a
section,
a
new
section
in
the
code
and
take
it
to
the
council
for
approval.
Otherwise,
what
recourse
do
we
citizens
have?
Thank
you
for
allowing
me
to
speak
to
you
this
evening.
Thank
you,
sir.
G
Good
evening,
honorable
chairman
and
commission
members
for
the
record,
my
name
is
Cynthia
Vasquez,
section
8.0,
tooth
structure
of
the
Ethics
Commission
recusal.
Here
are
some
statements
from
the
section
a
member
of
the
Ethics
Commission
shall
recuse
himself
or
herself
from
any
case
in
which,
because
of
the
middle
relationship,
employment,
any
economic
interest
or
his
or
her
impaired,
stability
might
reasonably
be
a
questioned.
An
Ethics
Commission
member
may
not
participate
in
official
action
on
any
complaint
that
involves
the
member
of
the
City
Council,
who
nominated
him
or
her
for
a
seat
of
the
Ethics
Commission.
G
Mr.
chairman,
since
two
of
your
nine
members
have
been
recused
from
participating
in
this
meeting,
I
have
some
questions
and
comments
for
you
even
before
I
start
with
any
questions
and
comments,
I
realized
that
you
will
probably
not
respond
to
any
of
them.
However,
should
you
respond
denying
requesting
that
I
be
allowed
appropriate
time
to
finish
my
presentation,
which
of
the
ethics
recusal
reasons
was
mr.
hereford
recused
from
because
mr.
Harford
is
married
to
Emily
Hereford
and
she
is
a
citizen
who
asserts
her
constitutional
rights,
which
of
the
ethics
we
choose.
The
reason
was
mr.
G
Castillo
we
choose
for
Frank.
Castillo
was
recused
because
he
was
appointed
by
dr.
Mike,
Martin
Martinez,
who
investigated
the
reasons
and
made
the
decisions
that
each
of
them
should
be
recused.
If
it
was
not
you,
mr.
chairman,
then
he
should
have
been
you,
because
you
are
in
charge
of
the
independent
commission,
where
the
remaining
seven
members
of
the
Ethics
Commission
investigated
to
determine
if
any
of
or
all
of
them
should
be
recused
as
well.
G
If
the
answer
is
yes,
then,
is
the
public
to
assume
that
under
oath
then
none
of
you,
seven
members,
have
any
conflict
of
interests
in
regards
to
financial
relationships
or
employment
or
any
economical
interests,
or
your
impossibility
might
reasonably
be
questioned.
If
you
answer
no,
then
mr.
chairman,
you
need
to
stop
this
meeting
and
ask
yourself
and
the
other
six
members
if
they
have
any
conflict
of
interest
in
regards
to
familia
Relations
or
employment,
or
any
economic
interests
on
your
employability
might
reasonably
be
questioned.
G
Mr.
chairman,
when
I
am
talking
what,
when
I'm
talking
about
conflict
of
interest,
it
includes
appearing
in
judge
health
court
I
believe
you're,
an
attorney
also
doing
business
with
the
city
of
Laredo
and
or
a
city
contracts
I
believe
mr.
Vidal
can
jr.
is
affiliate
affiliated
with
Clark
hardware
hardware,
mr.
shermin,
for
transparency.
The
public
needs
to
know.
If
any
of
you
seven
remaining
members
overlook
RIA
deucing
themselves
and
now
need
to
recuse
themselves.
Please
make
sure
that
all
seven
have
no
conflict
and
can
legally
participate
in
this
evening's
meeting.
G
All
members
of
the
Ethics
Commission
must
exercise
good
faith
and
avoid
participating
in
this
or
any
meetings
from
the
Commission
where
there
exists
an
actual
or
perceived
conflict
of
interest.
My
closing
request
is
for
you,
mr.
chairman,
to
determine
now,
if
you
and
mr.
ponzu
need
to
be
recused
from
this
meeting,
the
public
will
be
waiting
for
you
to
make
a
good
faith
determination.
H
My
name
is
smelly,
Harford
and
I'm
here
to
exercise
my
First
Amendment
right
and
share
my
opinion
with
you.
The
First
Amendment
guarantees
every
citizen,
the
right
of
free
speech,
the
right
to
peaceably,
assemble
or
the
right
to
petition
the
government
for
a
redress
of
grievances,
and
this
is
what
these
two
citizens
did
in
filing
their
complaint.
I
believe
that
you,
the
Ethics
Commission,
went
too
far
by
suggesting
that
these
two
citizens
be
investigated
to
determine
whether
or
not
they
filed
a
frivolous
complaint.
Are
you
trying
to
harass
them
or
suppress
them?
H
They're
right,
section
101
of
the
code
clearly
states
that
and
I
quote
the
code
shall
apply
to
public
officials
and
city
employees
end
of
quote,
and
it
makes
no
mention
of
citizens
if
legal
knew
that
the
Commission
did
not
have
jurisdiction.
Why
then,
did
the
City
Attorney
not
say
so,
instead
of
having
to
incur
the
legal
fees
of
Ryan
Henry
and
going
through
this
process
that
got
us
nowhere?
Maybe
you
should
investigate
the
frivolous
actions
of
city
management
for
their
unwillingness
to
provide
transparency
and
accountability.
H
In
answering
the
one
question
we
have
learned
a
couple
of
facts
going
through
this
process.
One
is
that
the
code
needs
to
be
strengthened
as
it
is
meaningless,
without
jurisdiction
and
consequences
for
illegal
deeds
committed
by
city
management,
employees,
elected
officials
appointees,
resulting
in
unlawful
behavior.
H
Furthermore,
section
510
of
the
code
talks
about
lobbying,
but
that
section
clearly
states
that
and
I
quote
nothing
shall
be
construed
to
prohibit
or
interfere
with
any
person's
rights
guaranteed
by
the
United,
States
and
Texas
constitutions.
End
of
quote,
we
did
not
need
to
go
to
this
extent
at
the
city,
answered
that
one
question,
but
refused
to
do
so.
Every
citizen
has
a
right
to
question
their
government
at
every
level
and
the
city
management
failed
because
they
are
too
busy
trying
to
keep
their
jobs,
which
greatly
interferes
with
them
doing
their
jobs.
H
H
This
brings
me
to
the
second
item
we
all
learned,
and
that
is
that
the
customer
service
needs
much
improvement
section
one
one
of
the
code
states,
the
following
and
I
quote
the
city
will
strive
to
elevate
the
level
of
ethics
in
local
government
to
provide
honest
and
responsible
service
to
the
citizens
of
Laredo
and
to
maintain
the
confidence
and
trust
of
the
public
that
this
government
serves
end
of
quote
at
the
present
time.
There
is
no
such
confidence
in
our
city
government.
I
Thank
You
mr.
chairman,
and
permission
out
among
us
a
little
for
record.
Thank
you
for
clarifying
that.
There
is
no
basis
for
any
other
conflict
of
interest.
In
answering
that
question,
then
I
I
gather
that
you
did
investigate
any
possibilities
of
there
being
a
conflict
of
interest.
Apparently
the
answer
arrived
at
was
no
there's
not
so
thank
you
for
investigating
and
for
making
a
determination
the
frivolous
those
two
complaints
that
were
being
frivolous
or
investigating
for
possibly
being
frivolous,
are
based
on
the
Charter
and
on
the
ethics
ordinance.
I
I
Those
two
documents
are
not
frivolous,
so
those
are
supposed
to
be
governing
in
our
city,
so
I
hope
that
you
consider
what
you're
insinuating
that
these
documents
are
frivolous,
because
everything
that
was
reported
on
those
complaints
is
based
on
those
two
documents,
and
also
there
is
a
claiming
that
there
might
be
freely
is
a
way
of
stopping
people
from
turning
in
more
complaints.
But
what
is
there
to
prevent
a
commission
from
siding
that
there
we
still
have
to
bring
mr.
Wright
Henry
down
here?
If
somebody
says
they're
fertilis,
we
have
to
keep
digging
it
further.
I
J
K
Hello,
my
name
is
one
increase
and
thank
you,
ladies
and
gentlemen,
if
you
notice,
when
I
signed
in
I,
didn't
write
anything
in
there
and
why
did
I
not
put
anything?
It's
like
the
Seinfeld
show
so
show
about
nothing.
Okay,
usually,
when
I
see
these
meetings,
whether
it
be
City,
Council
or
or
you
all
I
find
something
that
tease
me
off,
and
that
goes
to
what
he
was
saying
that
we
shall
all
get
together
and
find
out
what
we're
going
to
talk
about.
K
You
know
and
thank
you
who
was
a
gentleman
that
that
said,
let
them
all
speak.
Thank
you
very
much.
Okay,
because
I'm,
a
veteran
of
this
country
and
I
swore
to
defend
the
First
Amendment
rights
and
thank
you
I,
really
appreciate
that,
and
that's
one
reason
that
I'm
here,
because
I
came
here
to
see
City
Council,
because
I
felt
one
of
my
brother's
was
disrespected
when
he
was
talking
as
if
I
saw
it.
Yes,
a
windows
and
I
wanted
to
speak
out
about
that.
Okay,
but
now
it's
this!
K
Okay,
that's
why
I'm
here
so
sometimes
people
I
carry
the
OSM
in
rasul'allah,
hot
chili.
Okay,
because
you
guys
don't
pay
attention
to
my
people
out
there.
Okay,
we
have
a
man
over
here
who
had
the
ethics
treatment
committee
here
that
failed
him
and
that
pissed
me
off
too.
Okay,
were
you
guys
in
that?
Is
it
committee
committee?
K
Yes,
no
reason.
Hence,
if
your
problem,
he
had
an
ethics
complaint
they're
all
here
now
there
are
the
ones
up
there.
Well,
in
my
opinion,
you
failed
and
that's
why
I'm
here
and
lot
of
ills,
though
the
organization
is
growing,
it's
growing
and
we're
paying
attention,
and
by
god,
if
I
see
another
veteran
out
here,
I
guarantee
you
there's
gonna
be
another
one
like
me
coming
and
pointing
that
out
to
you.
Thank
you.
L
L
So
when
I,
you
know,
when
I
heard
about
this
I
asked
fish,
you
know
what
what
drink,
what
jurisdiction
you
guys
have.
If
the
attorney
says
you
have
none,
how
can
you
investigate
something?
You
have
no
jurisdiction
over.
You
know
it's
just
like
you
go
to
a
court
before
I.
Go
say
that
you're
from
out
of
town,
correct,
you're,
not
from
Laredo
I'm,
sure
he's
not
from
Laredo
he's
begging.
You
guys
he's
been
in
the
city
that
come
down
to
Laredo.
L
Why
didn't
he
just
tell
you
guys,
you
can't
put
it
on
the
agenda,
it's
not
under
your
jurisdiction.
Instead,
there
was
a
dog
and
pony
show,
and
it
made
you
waste
your
time
and
then
now
it
made
you
waste
your
time.
Tonight
too,
you
can
be
with
your
family
I,
don't
know
if
they
feed
you
like
they
do.
City
Council
I,
don't
know,
there's
a
buffet
back
there.
L
So
my
point
is
that
all
this
could
have
been
avoided.
Hers
could
have
saved
money
all
because
the
attorney
failed
to
do
his
fiduciary
duty.
He
should
have
just
said
it's
not.
You
can't
put
it
on
the
agenda.
Put
a
written
statement
in
an
opinion
written
opinion
you
you
still
had
your
ear.
Your
meeting
give
the
written
opinion
from
the
attorney
he
didn't
have
to
come
down.
You
didn't
have
to
waste
our
money,
but
instead
two
people
are
being
attacked,
they're
being
threatened
with
a
$500
fine
because
they
want
to
do
good
for
this
community.
L
That's
why
mr.
wish
me
to
run
off
when
I
was
campaigning.
People
told
me:
you
know
what
vish
he's
out
there
all
the
time
he
was
the
one
fighting
for
us
and
then
you're
the
Ethics
Committee
I
thought
you
guys.
You
know
wanted
to
be
appointed
to
this
dude
to
do
what's
right
for
the
community
to
do
what's
right
to
hold
our
our
elected
officials
accountable
to
have
held
me
accountable
if
I
had
one
or
two
held
vish
accountable
had
he
won
or
mr.
L
Castillo
he'd
won,
but
instead
it
seems
like
we're
playing
politics
or
or
just
paint
bad
law,
because
you
guys
have
no
jurisdiction
whatsoever
over
this
and
instead
we're
here
tonight
discussing
it.
Maybe
it
was
a
mistake
to
you
know,
put
it
on
the
agenda
for
today.
Maybe
the
attorney
says
you
do
have
jurisdiction
to
me.
I
honestly
feel
that
you
don't
have
jurisdiction.
If
you
could
not
make
a
ruling
over
an
item,
how
can
you
tell
if
it
was
true
or
not
then
you're
making
the
decision
de
facto,
if
you,
if
you
rule
against
mr.
L
M
Yes,
good
afternoon,
remember
so
that
ethics
committee,
my
name,
is
for
the
record.
My
name
is
Luis
is
my
rose
and
I'm
not
prepared
to
give
a
speech
here
today,
but
I
just
want
to
touch
on
a
few
little
things
number
one.
The
first
thing
I
noticed
today
is
that
somebody's
trying
to
change
the
rules
in
the
middle
of
the
game.
We
have
all
been
here
speaking
before
other
ethics
committees
and
never
have
they.
Both
only
three
people
could
speak
on
a
certain
topic.
M
So
therefore,
you're
gonna
eliminate
three
people
in
three
minutes
and
that's
it.
We
have
had
many
ethics
committee,
many
ethics
meanings
and
even
the
last
one.
They
didn't
involve
that.
So
it
is
just
a
matter
of
somebody
telling
them.
You
know
what
we
gotta
shut
him
up.
Another
thing
you
as
an
Ethics
Commission,
have
a
responsibility.
Mr.
M
Henreid
stated
last
time
that
he
wasn't
going
to
go
into
whether
the
Charter
was
violated
or
not,
but
you
have
a
responsibility
to
go
to
the
City
Council
and
tell
him
that
there
has
to
be
something
within
the
ethics
committee
that
protects
the
city
charter,
if
not
they're,
just
gonna
walk
all
over
the
city
charter,
you're
gonna
be
getting
they're,
gonna,
be
getting
races
without
an
ordinance.
They're
gonna
be
hiring
ex
employees
within
the
wine
year.
When
the
Charter
says
that
they
cannot
do
that,
the
city
charter
has
been
walked
all
over.
M
They
can
just
you
know
the
manifold,
just
tear
it
and
throw
it
in
the
trash.
So
I
think
that
you,
if
you
want
to
be
responsible,
you
wanna
do
something
good.
Why
don't
we
one
of
you
go
or
mr.
Henry
go
through
the
City
Council
and
say
you
need
to
implement
something
on
the
city
under
ethics,
ordinance
that
says
that
the
city
charter,
that
what
our
ordinances
and
every
document
that
exists,
but
the
city
Lorado,
has
to
be
protected
and
any
violation
of
that
is
going
to
be
an
ethics
violation.
M
I
M
N
Members
of
the
ethics
committee-
my
name
is
yes:
I
can
I,
nobody
don't
like
to
come
up
here
and
talk
to
you.
People,
but
I
want
to
thank
you
for
allowing
me
to
say
a
few
words
in
depends
on
mr.
vision.
Mr.
muñoz
ethics
is
the
word
that,
for
some
reason,
has
lost
its
meaning,
not
only
in
our
city
for
an
agitator
in
our
country.
The
last
time
I
heard
our
city
to
Laredo
was
still
a
part
of
this
country
where
the
right
of
freedom
of
speech
was
granted
by
the
Bill
of
Rights.
N
O
N
Reason
they
will
come
up
here
and
speak
to
you,
people
or
the
City.
Council
is
because
they
are
afraid
of
retaliation,
and
this
issue
has
come
up
several
times.
This
fear
of
retaliation
I
have
suffered
without
agent
there's,
so
many
people
here
have
also
suffered
retaliation
for
others.
Speaking
out
is
that
the
kind
of
government
do
one
where
your
citizens
fear
retaliation,
because
they
want
to
come
up
and
exercise
their
freedom
of
speech.
I
stand
behind
me
to
this.
Mr.
Bob
is
100%
and
I
wish.
Everybody
else
in
this
city
would
stand
behind
these
people.
N
A
B
A
D
N
C
C
J
A
A
You,
okay
good
evening,
we're
back
on
the
record.
Time
is
6:40
p.m.
we're
out
of
executive
session.
No
action
was
taken
next
item
on
the
agenda
is
five,
a
discussion
with
possible
action
as
to
item
a
which
is
evaluate
and
determine
whether
the
complaint
filed
by
the
mr.
Victor
wellness
dated
May
8
2019
against
city
of
Laredo
Co
city
managers
qualifies
as
a
frivolous
complaint
under
the
ethics
code.
A
D
Sir,
this
is
first
time
I've
seen
this
mission
end
up
with
this
type
of
hearing.
So
essentially,
at
the
last
meeting,
based
on
the
information
in
the
sworn
complaints,
you
determined
that
the
complaints
appeared
to
be
frivolous,
really
based
on
grounds
that
were
appropriate
for
the
Commission
and
information
that
the
complainants
may
have
already
known
that
prior
to
filing.
So
you
issued
directive
for
me
to
inform
them
of
this
meeting
or
frivolous
complaint.
This
is
their
opportunity
to
come
forward.
D
They'll
be
put
under
oath
there
to
provide
you
with
their
explanation
information
as
to
what
they
believe
in
the
complaint.
I'll
note
for
the
Commission
that
the
complaints
were
against
the
coast,
city
managers,
and
so
the
focus
should
be
on
the
coast,
city
managers
and
what
information
they
had
that
the
coast
city
managers
weren't
back
the
ones
that
should
be
subject
to
a
proper
complaint.
D
It's
recommended
that
you
have
a
time
limit
for
that
it.
The
time
limit
is
really
up
to
you,
guys.
Whatever
you
feels
necessary,
you
can
adjust
it
if
needed.
Based
on
what
you're
hearing,
my
recommendation
would
be
somewhere
around
15
minutes
each
to
keep
things
moving,
but
it
is
up
to
the
Commission
how
you
want
to
proceed
with
that,
but
you
would
probably
need
a
motion
to
determine
a
time
limit.
O
Q
A
A
Your
bonus
that
you
have
an
opportunity
to
hear
mr.
Henry
explain
the
procedures
that
will
be
following
tonight.
Yes,
you
have
any
questions
of
the
process,
no,
okay,
all
right.
So
the
issue
is
for
you
to
this.
Is
your
opportunity
to
go
ahead
and
explain
yourself
the
basis
for
the
complaints
against
the
co
city
managers
is
and
to
provide
the
Commission
your
reasons
for
filing
the
complaint?
Yes,
the.
Q
Complaint
was
basically
filed
against
both
coal
city
managers
in
term
coal
city
managers.
It
was
filed
in
reference
to
a
all
of
the
ethics
ordinance
and
code
violations
that
have
been
listed.
I,
don't
know
if
you've
had
an
opportunity
to
review
the
thick
packet
and
every
video
piece
that
was
introduced
to
you.
Have
you
had
the
opportunity
to
review
all
the
information.
Every
single
piece
of
information
that
is
included
in
this
packet
is
truthful.
There
are
no
false
claims,
there's
no
false
documentation.
Q
The
fact
that
you
cannot
hear
or
that
you
have
no
jurisdiction
over
what
we
deem
is
unethical,
but
what
I
am
presenting
to
the
Commission
that
I
see
us
an
ethical
act
on
the
part
of
mr.
eats
and
miss
Kibeho.
They
are
not
basically
doing
their
job
as
coal
city
managers.
They
are
not
endorsing
that
Charter
and
we
have
I
have
cited
and
I
have
listed
every
single
one
of
those
ethics
sections
2:09
every
single
one
that
applies
to
this
case
has
been
itemized
and
it's
been
listed
in
chronological
order.
Q
Well,
I
am
saying
that
every
element
that
on
this
complaint
is
truthful
I
have
submitted
every
piece
of
information,
the
sequence
of
events.
One
thing
that
needs
to
be
addressed-
and
that
is
very
important
in
this
case-
is
that
before
doing
this,
if
we're
going
to
these
measures
of
filing
a
complaint,
we
gave
every
opportunity
to
Robert
EADS
and
miss
caballo
to
resolve
the
situation.
We
we
met,
I
personally
didn't
meet,
but
our
rate
of
group
we
met
with
them
numerous
times,
I
communicated
with
them.
Q
I
personally
wrote
a
letter
to
them
demanding
action
on
their
part,
and
they
never
did.
We
exhausted
all
of
our
means
before
taking
action
under
the
ethics
complaint,
so
we
we
did
not
want
to
embarrass
them.
We
did
this
in
private.
We
have
evidence
recorded
evidence
of
the
meetings
we
did
not
have
to
get
to
this
point.
Q
They
dictates
that
they
should
do
so
once
again,
oh
well,
I
will
reiterate
that
every
element
and
every
piece
of
information,
every
piece
of
evidence
that
is
here
in
this
complaint
is
truthful
and
is
for
your
consideration
and
I
hope
and
I
pray
that
you
have
taken
the
time
to
read
it
and
review
it
properly.
I
also
have
three
three
other
individuals
that
have
knowledge
of
this
alleged
violation
and
I
would
want
mr.
David
karbala
who
is.
Q
Okay,
part
of
the
complaint:
if
you
look
at
the
very
front
page
of
the
complaint
we
have
I
have
included
persons.
Three
people
that
are
have
relevant
knowledge
of
the
alleged
violation.
I
would
like
to
have
a
mr.
David
Carr.
Well,
if,
if
I
may,
and
mr.
barish
wanna
corroborate
what
I'm
telling
you
if
it's
possible,
if
it's
possible
under
under
the
rules,
I,
don't
know
what
the
rules
are.
Mr.
chairman
I
address
you,
because
you
are
supposed
to
be
in
charge
of
this
meeting
and
I.
Think
mr.
A
O
Q
Q
R
D
Vishwanath
is
a
respondent,
so
he'll
be
given
his
own.
You
know
time.
Mr.
gomez
requested
that
the
Commission
hear
from
mr.
carved
well,
the
Commission
has
the
ability
to
call
mr.
Carr
will
and
put
him
under
oath
and
asking
questions.
Technically.
This
is
mr.
Gomez's
crime,
and
so
mr.
Cardwell
should
be
called
up
next,
if
that's
what
the
Commission
wants
to
do
and
then
mr.
Katona
will
have
his
opportunity
when
talking.
A
S
F
E
F
Right
so
in
my
comment
that
I'd
like
to
say
here
personally.
A
F
Thank
you,
I'll
keep
my
comments.
Short
I
would
like
to
pass
my
comment
that
I
help
over
division.
After
then,
I
was
the
one
that
made
it
three-minute
speech
to
the
City
Council
regarding
probably
to
start
when
this
started
and
probably
the
root
of
it.
I
stand
by
my
three
minute
comments,
they're
recorded
you
may
may,
or
not
you
may
or
may
not
have
heard.
G
F
F
F
Have
that
with
me,
but
basically
here's
what
I
did
and
I
would
like
to
if
I
had
it
with
me.
I
didn't
realize
that
I
needed
to
do
that,
but
basically
what
I
did
is
I
laid
out
in
a
chronological
order
of
all
the
events.
I
met
up
to
it
with
the
sections
in
the
Charter,
the
sections
everything
by
the
book.
I
pulled
nothing
from
the
air.
Everything
that
I
said
in
three
minutes
was
all
in
order
and
from
a
city
document.
I
did
not
get
it
from
the
world
wide
web
or
anywhere
else.
A
S
You
they're
members,
you
have
given
us
15
minutes.
You
really
have
to
look
at
this
document
if
mr.
Gomez,
by
the
way,
it's
only
for
this
one,
mr.
Gomez
has
to
say
that
his
complaint
was
not
frivolous.
You
really
have
to
see
what
happened
here,
because
everything
that's
listed
here,
whether
we
go
through
this
or
not
right.
Now,
if
you
don't
go
through
this,
you
cannot
prove
or
disprove
it's
frivolous
or
not.
Let
me
just
tell
you
a
few
things
that
I
wanted
to
point
out.
S
S
That
is
sad
because
if
we
find
a
complaint
and
we
I
did
not
idle
six
code
that
was
violated,
you
could
say,
I
don't
have
jurisdiction,
we
actually
identified.
The
ethics
course
are
well
violated.
It's
right
here
on
Part
II,
four
lines,
I,
because
my
time
is
short
I'm
not
going
to
read
them.
You
have
to
read
if
I
am
pointing
you
out,
and
yet
this
code
was
violated,
then
it's
your
job
to
see
if
that
ethics
code
was
violated.
You
cannot
throw
that
out.
Mr.
S
Henry,
you
cannot
recommend
that
we
throw
now
the
courts
that
were
violated
is
right
here,
the
ethics
code.
We
are
saying
that
Charter
was
violated
in
violating
the
Charter.
This
following
ethics
codes
were
violated.
We
listed
them
here.
Please
please,
look
at
that.
If
you
want
I'll
go
through
each
one
of
them,
15
minutes
is
not
going
to
cut
it.
Second,
we
have
a
list
of.
We
have
a
list
of
chronology
here.
This
chronology
goes
that
from
September
19
2018,
through
pretty
much
with
when
we
styled
this
one.
S
You
know:
I
was
a
candidate
for
City
Council
when
they
run
for
his
candidate
for
City
Council
I
have
to
have
a
financial
report
which
says
I
want
this
piece
of
land.
I
want
that
piece
of
business
I
have
a
financial
conflict.
I
had
to
prove
that
I
write
it
down
and
send
it
to
answer
you're,
not
the
person
the
city
secretary
saw
he's
saying
you:
I
have
a
conflict.
These
are
the
property
that
I
won't
I,
had
to
give
a
financial
statement.
I
made
that
we're
sitting
in
the
back
in
the
corner
there.
S
He
did
that
to
dr.
marty,
martinez
filed
that
filed
a
statement.
He
did
not
include
a
piece
of
information.
That
is
why
his
complaint
was
filed.
Now,
who
is
responsible
to
make
sure
that
if
City
Councilmember
is
not
doing
something
right,
they
have
to
take
action
that,
according
to
the
Charter,
sits
with
the
to
City
Council
city
managers
or
Co
city
managers?
Okay,
so
we
met
with
them.
He
met
with
them
two
different
times
with
done
attorneys
and
whatnot.
They
did
not
take
any
action.
S
That's
why
we
said
we
had
to
come
back
and
show
you
that
somebody
has
to
take
action
here.
They
did
not
do
that.
That's
why
we
said
the
Charter
was
violated
and
you
guys
have
to
take
an
action
without
going
through
the
entire
document,
it's
impossible
to
prove
something
else.
Nothing
was
done
here
in
frivolous.
If
you
look
at
the
frivolous
section,
there
are
couple
of
things
there,
one.
If
somebody
is
running
for
election
to
tarnish
their
image,
somebody
can
throw
some
dirt
out.
If
that
was
done,
that
would
be
a
frivolous
complaint.
S
The
complaint
was
taken
of
the
city
management
they're,
not
running
for
the
election.
We
are
not
trying
to
make
them
look
bad
in
any
fashion,
but
we
are
trying
to
do
is
being
is.
We
are
not
they're
not
doing
a
section
of
the
Charter.
If
I
was
running
for
election,
if
somebody's
throwing
mud
at
me,
then
I
can
say
you
know
that
timing
in
any
frivolous
complaint
timing
is
important
nobody's
running
for
election
here.
The
elections
were
over
in
the
individuals
involved.
Has
nothing
do
with
frivolous
complaints?
S
Nobody's
image
is
trying
to
be
tarnished
here.
You
are
saying
that
somebody
did
not
follow
the
Charter.
The
people
who
are
responsible
for
following
the
Charter
are
enforcing
them
on
the
city
management
and
they
are
not
doing
it.
We
came
to
you
again
the
courts
that
were
violated
by
not
following
the
Charter,
the
ethics
courts
that
were
violated
I've
written
in
page
two,
you
guys
saying
we
don't
have
jurisdiction.
I
am
is
still
saying
you
have
jurisdiction.
Thank
you
very
much.
Q
Q
When
I
was
advised
that
that
missed
that,
mr.,
according
to
mr.
Henry
and
according
while
not
according
to
the
chairman,
according
to
mr.
Henry,
when
even
when
he
corresponded
with
me
the
initial
piece
of
Correspondence
from
him
that
there
were
some
defects
according
to
Section,
eight
point:
zero.
Eight,
eight
zero,
but.
R
R
P
Q
I
had
delivered
that
request.
Yes,
that
is
correct.
That's
I,
personally
hand
delivered
and
I
wrote
a
letter,
yes
and
that
I
made
that
request.
Yes,
and
it
is
part
of
the
evidence.
Thank
you
and
the
time
the
the
first
time
that
I
found
out
that
the
Ethics
Commission
did
not
have
any
jurisdiction
was
the
last
time
we
met
according
to
mr.
A
Mister
will
must
have
a
few
questions,
yes
or
no,
and
going
through
this
chronology
that
you
mentioned
in
your
complaint
that
did
review
it.
I
do
see
that
you
had
a
number
of
meetings
or
people
that
you
were
involved
with
that
meetings
with
people
from
the
city.
It
seems
to
me
unless
I'm
reading
this
incorrectly
is
that
the
gist
of
your
complaint
here
has
to
do
with
councilmember,
not
Athena's,
and
at
the
very
end
of
your
chronology.
A
You
have
a
conclusion
and
you're
at
you're,
saying
basically
that
you
claim
that
he
has
a
self-admitted
financial,
interesting.
This
entity,
River
Hills
investments
that
he
had
a
duty
to
go
ahead
and
declare
or
otherwise
disclose
that
relationship
that
he
didn't
and
you're,
asking
basically
that
he
be
deceit,
be
forfeited
vacated
and
that.
A
Q
A
Q
N
Q
A
Q
Is
included
but,
like
I
said,
before,
all
everything
I
on
the
last
piece
of
information?
That
is
what
we
demand
it
from
from
both
interim
Co
city
managers
in
person
and
after
exhausting
it
Avenue
that
we
had
and
them
denying
to
act.
That's
why
I
decided
that
the
best
course
of
action
would
be
to
bring
it
to
the
Ethics
Commission.
You
know
that
you
could
act
on
this
matter
which.
R
Was
why
didn't
you
file
complainant
is
dr.
Martinez,
because
many
of
you
believe
this
off
strong
that
he
was
the
one
has
a
conflict
of
interest
with
the
city.
Why
not
father
complain
against
him?
No.
Q
Because
I
have
got
point
that
that
that
it
had
been
no,
he
was
already
a
city
council
member,
so
I
felt
that
the
only
people
that
had
authority
would
be
that
call
City
monitors
any
but
I,
don't
think
I
mean
unless
you
start
a
recall,
there's
no
other
way
to
have
his
removal.
Salt
Co,
but
my
only
recourse
was
to
the
city
charter
weekend.
Q
Did
I
once
again,
I
will
reiterate
that
the
complaint
was
filed
in
good
faith
after
every
Avenue
had
been
exhausted.
Like
I
said,
I
wrote
a
letter,
the
letter
is
included
in
the
complaint
and
we
were
in
constant
communication
when
I
say
we,
the
members
of
our
group,
David
Carr.
Well,
mr.
rush
wanna
Armando
Cisneros.
We
have
been
in
constant
communication
with
our
city
managers
and
they
never
really
responded
to
us
and
that's
the
reason
this
complaint
was
filed.
A
D
A
council
member,
yes
under
the
Charter,
their
duties
of
enforcement
are
basically
for
their
subordinates.
The
way
that
it's
written,
so
they
have
the
ability
to
enforce
laws
and,
of
course,
for
anyone
who's
under
there
just
an
air
power,
but
they
actually
serve
the
City
Council's
their
appointment
and
they
want
to
be
power
going
up.
So.
A
A
Q
A
With
it,
and
one
thing
mr.
Gomez
is
it:
this
is
something
that
I
wanted
to
mention.
You
know
I'm
all
in
favor
of
free
speech
and
the
right
to
speak,
and
we
all
have
the
proper
forms
to
raise
our
concerns,
whether
it's
a
court
of
law,
whether
it's
a
city,
council
or
elsewhere
here
and
the
issue
that
we've
had
here
is
you
know,
I've
been
on
this
commission
for
about
about
30
years
now,
and
we've
had
a
number
of
cases
that
have
come
before
us
and
as
mr.
Mendelson
mentioned
earlier.
A
Yes,
you
know
we
take
time
from
our
jobs
and
our
families
to
take
care
of
this,
and
we
take
our
position
seriously
and
we're
not
here
to
shut
anybody
up,
but
we
do
expect
that
the
people
who
make
their
complaints
that
they
do
their
homework
and
properly
investigate
the
complaint
and
follow
through
with
it.
Yes,
and
in
this
case,
as
you
mentioned
earlier,
we
don't
have
jurisdiction
and
that's
why,
like
I
told
some
I
think
mr.
A
cart
will
and
some
others
said,
the
proper
forum
for
the
remedies
that
you
seek
would
probably
be
in
a
court
of
law
and
not
necessarily
through
us,
and
so
that's
why
we're
discussing
this
is
trying
to
get
a
clarification
about
where
you're
coming
from
and
what
we
can
do.
This
matter
respond
yeah
go
ahead.
A
Q
Q
Yes,
they
have
every
opportunity
and
we
pointed
out
to
them
that
they
had
an
obligation
and
a
duty
to
enforce
the
Charter,
and
we
clearly
demonstrated
to
them
that
we
feel
that
it
is
their
duty,
as
interim
call
city
managers
to
act
on
the
Charter,
that
they
protect
the
Charter
and
they
are
supposed
to
endorse
the
Charter
as
I
interpret
it.
That's
the
reason
I
was
asking
for
for
a
copy
of
the
Charter
standing
and
believe.
Q
Do
that
because
the
Charter
clearly
states
that
they
have
an
obligation,
they
have
an
obligation
to
endorse
and
let
me
just
Street
breathe
what
that
obligation
is
under.
I
may
be
contradicted
mr.
Ryan
here
or
maybe
maybe
we're
reading
the
wrong
charters,
but
City
article
3
under
the
city
charter
powers
and
duties
of
city
managers
3:05.
Let
me
read
what
that
says:
shall
see
that
all
lost
provisions
of
the
Charter
and
acts
of
this
council
subject
to
enforcement
by
the
city
manager
or
by
officers.
Subject:
the
city
managers
direct
direction
and
supervision
are
faithfully
executed.
A
Yes,
so
the
question
is:
is
whether
or
not
this
is
subject
to
that
section
and
what
you're
asking
for
I
think
that's
the
issue
and
that's
what
I
was
getting
at
it's
kind
of
also.
The
same
thing
is
some
of
the
remedies
that,
through
your
complaint
and
sure
these,
the
remedy
is
basically
asking
us
to
order
or
otherwise
enforce
the
city
charter,
which
is
something
that's
not
within
the
purview.
What
we
do
here
is
what
City
Council
gives
us
the
authority,
and
you
know
we
are
working
on
trying
to
get
some
changes
made.
A
Q
We
understand
clearly
that
you,
basically
they
people
have
said,
have
basically
very
little
power.
As
far
as
you
know,
the
ethics
I
don't
know
that
in
the
history
I
believe
the
Ethics
Commission
was
formed
in
2013
and
I.
Don't
think
I,
don't
recall
you
ever
finding
anybody
anyone
or
any
other
complaints
as
valid.
We.
Q
A
Any
body
else
have
any
questions
and
mr.
Beaumont's
thank
you,
Miss
Rose.
Okay.
Let
me
proceed
to
the
next
item,
which
is
5b,
evaluate
and
determine
whether
the
complaint
filed
by
mr.
Locke
jean
lafitte,
why
not
David
may
28
2009
teen
against
city
of
Laredo
Co
city
managers
qualifies
as
a
fertilis
complaint
under
the
ethics
code.
D
A
J
A
Just
so
you
know
you
can't
speak
on
his
behalf,
he's
under
oath
and
so
yeah
we're
requiring
mister,
and
this
is
just
part
of
the
city
ordinance
that
we
only
allow
the
complainants
or
response
to
be
testifying
under
oath.
There
we've
had
situations
with
other
attorneys
counsel
that
counsel
with
their
clients,
but
it
isn't.
Unfortunately,
it's
not
something
that
we
permit
by
ordinance,
not
something
that
I
decide
correct.
Mr.
Annan,
that's
correct.
J
S
Want
me
to
sweat
again,
no
you're
already
in
your
store.
Okay.
So
if
you
know
one
case
right
all
right,
yes,
sir,
actually
compared
to
the
previous
one
here,
members
right,
it's
an
entirely
different
issue,
and
by
now
you
already
know
that
we
do
a
lot
of
research
and
it's
not
like.
We
just
come
here
and
throw
something
out
and
walk
out.
We
look
at
what
we
can
do
and
when
we
see
that
you're
not
getting
anywhere
that's
when
we
end
up
taking
routes
like
maybe
fighting
an
ethics
complaint.
S
This
second
one
has
again
has
very
specifically
has
to
do
with
a
specific
issue.
And
if
you
look
at
my
virginal
complaint,
Ivey
not
only
had
a
complaint,
they
actually
identified
a
specific
section
of
the
ethics
code
that
was
violated.
Okay,
we
did
say
I
did
say
that
if
you
look
here,
you
say:
city
charter
3.05
was
violated,
since
it's
only
very
few
of
them.
I'm
going
to
read
it.
Ethics
code,
2.0
or
two
was
violation
again.
S
Ethics
code
2.02
was
violated
and
city
charter
6.05,
so
I
did
actually
say
which
portion
of
the
ethics
code
was
violated
in
violating
the
Charter.
So
it's
not
like.
We
just
threw
something
out
so
that
you
can
say
hope
you
don't
have
any
jurisdiction,
throw
it
out.
That's
that
that,
of
second
part,
is
a
very
small
complaint,
so
we
don't
have
it
that
much
documentation
on
this.
S
My
main
complaint
has
to
do
with
one
small
section
which
has
to
do
with
the
Charter
capital
program.
I
bet
you
got
these
pages,
if
not
I'm,
going
to
read
it
for
you.
The
role
of
city
charter,
section
6.05
capital
program,
the
last
section
c,
section
c
clearly
say
exception
to
the
capital
program.
The
cost
of
the
utility
expansion
must
be
paid
me
must
be
paid,
must
be
made
sorry
by
those
requesting
the
expansion
and
the
City
Council
will
not
obligate
any
citizen
by
adjusting
the
utility
rate
to
defray
the
cost.
S
This
can
be
found
in
section
tips.
It's
5:05
capital
program,
the
last
one
of
those
paragraphs.
Now
we
had
look
at
the
big
picture
of
where
this
all
came
from
the
city.
Recently
had
a
water
and
sewer
rate
increase,
some
of
you
may
be
aware
of
that.
In
the
process
of
that
expansion.
I
know
all
these
numbers
from
the
head.
Anybody
can
contradict
to
me.
S
I,
don't
care,
180
million
dollars
is
what
is
going
to
be
taxed,
but
for
the
citizens,
including
you
and
them,
and
me
office,
135
million
dollars
under
than
80
million
toilets,
I'm
sorry,
underneath
80
million
dollars,
135
million
dollars
is
for
the
maintenance
and
he
said
maintenance.
Something
may
be
broken
is
old
whatever.
Mr.
Clark,
can
you
explain
better
than
me
on
that
issue,
but
the
rest
of
the
45
million
or
24
percentage
is
for
new
development.
S
S
S
I
give
it
you,
but
in
the
Catholic
programme,
under
Section
6.05,
it
clearly
says
he's
the
one
who
has
to
make
the
ready
I'm.
Sorry
they
are.
The
one
was
to
make
the
recommendation
to
the
City
Council,
okay,
so
the
City
Council,
they
should
have
said
what,
if
a
million
is
wrong,
in
fact,
in
that
particular
meeting
I
was
there
I
pointed
this
section
out
to
the
City
Council
members
also,
so
what
I
am
saying
here
right
now?
Is
he
may
dip?
I'm
sorry
I,
keep
saying
here
this
I
have
not.
S
They
should
have
clearly
said
forty.
Five
million
is
for
the
capital
improvement
which
may
be
in
violation
of
this
section.
That's
the
part,
that's
the
part
again,
I
don't
have
I
can
compile
a
complaining
because
their
job
in
that
section
capital
program,
which
clearly
says
who
is
responsible
to
make
recommendations
to
the
City
Council
6.05,
clearly
says
the
management
has
to
do
it.
So
the
management
made
the
wrong
recommendation.
That's
why
is
filed
against
the
management
I.
B
S
Yeah
but
who
wrote
on
it,
but
if
you
make
the
wrong
recommendation,
it's
like
they
assume
the
question
who
votes
on
the
City
Council
I
agree
with
you,
I
give
it
you
know
if
he
makes
the
wrong
recommendation.
If
you
worked
on
it,
then
you
are
still
in
charge
or
he
made
the
wrong
recommendation.
He
made
wrong.
They
made
a
comment
on
recommendation.
S
A
A
S
Correct
yeah,
one
more
section
is
the
section
to
find
or
to
it
says,
unfair
advancement
of
private
interest,
which
clearly
says
it's
as
a
general
rule.
The
city,
official
or
employee
shall
not
use
he's,
not
her
official
position
to
unfairly
advance
or
impede
private
interest.
In
this
particular
case,
we
are
advancing
a
private
interest
by
giving
forty-five
million
dollars
for
new
development
and
who
is
advancing.
S
It
did
walk
down
the
item.
Yes,
sir,
the
city
managers
voted
on
the
no,
they
made
the
recommendation
and
then
they
what
it
I.
So
they
made
the
wrong
minute.
Usually
this
when
something
like
this
in
comes
it's
like
this
one
need,
if
he's
going
to
say
something
to
you,
you
are
going
to
take
that
word
for
granted.
They
made
a
recommendation
to
the
City
Council
a
we
have
to
do
this
and
they
did
wrong
recommendation,
which.
R
R
R
R
R
R
S
Fic
they
may
they
are
under
capital
programs.
They
are
supposed
to
make
a
recommendation.
Okay
and
my
bill
I
believe
they
did
not
at
that
particular
45
million
dollars.
I
think
I'm
talking
about
the
forty
five
million
dollars,
nothing
divert
the
Martinez.
Yes,
okay,
that
forty
five
million
dollar
recommendation
is
I
believe
is
wrong.
R
R
S
R
S
S
R
Immediately
makes
things
is
if
the
main
goal
was
to
form
both
complaint
was.
The
main
goal
was
to
complain
the
city,
both
city
managers,
because
they
didn't
do
their
job
over
what
City
Council
is
doing.
Okay,
there's
other
remedies
that
are
there,
that
you
can
do
you've
been
you've
been
involved
in
this
for
so
long.
That's.
S
R
S
P
Let
me
ask
a
question
and
I
really
don't
want
you
to
interfere
with
my
question.
So
keep
your
mouth
closed
until
I
finish:
okay,
that's
fair
enough!
I
get
mine
when
you're
talking
now
here's
the
problem.
You
are
mad
because
they
made
a
recommendation
you
didn't
like
and
you
felt
that
it
was
wrong.
That's
fine!
Now
the
City
Council,
okay,
coke,
their
recommendation
didn't
have
to
accept
it
and
they
voted
on
it.
P
Now,
if
you
are
against
that
recommendation
against
what
City
Council
did,
then
your
problem
is
with
the
City
Council,
not
the
people
who
made
a
recommendation
because
all
they
did
was
make
a
recommendation.
They
didn't
say:
do
it:
okay,
laterz
recommended
and
that's
the
key
to
this
whole
ballgame,
okay,
you're
complaining
against
somebody
who
makes
a
recommendation
when
the
people
who
did
it
wrong
was
the
City
Council
in
your
mind,
so
now
I'm
here.
Does
that
explain
what
you're
trying
to
say
or
what.
S
I
interpret
how
you
can
talk,
so
the
section
6.0
face,
exception,
horn
answer.
Once
again,
the
exception
clearly
says
it's
an
exception
to
the
capital
program,
so
the
people
who
are
producing
this
document
there's
an
exception
to
that
document
which
says
you
cannot
do
this,
so
they
made
some
wrong
to
start
with.
S
P
S
Not
the
recommendation,
but
they
should
I
what
I
am
saying
is
they
should
not
even
recommend
that's
what
I
am
trying
to
say.
Your
opinion
I
agree.
That's
for
the
child
to
say
so
for
more
opinions,
but
the
Charter
says
you
cannot
do
that.
Read
please!
Please.
Please
explain
to
off
I,
see
and
tell
me
that
they
are
give
them
permission
to
do
this.
Make
the
recommendation
rather
not
overtly
make
the
recommendation.
6Pi
know
if
I
see
does
not
give
them
the
authority
to
do
that.
They
have
legal
counsel.
S
Here
you
can
ask
him
to
see
it
check
into
that
to
see
six
six
point
of
the
exception
to
the
capital
program
that
the
reason
is
there
is
because
they
don't
want
undue
influence.
That's
why
that
class
is
still
there
in
Section
C.
Their
private
interest
should
not
be
dealt
with
that
way.
They
don't
want
anybody
benefiting
from
that
that
way,
six-point
hope,
I
see.
Is
there
in
the
first
place,
it's
an
exception
to
the
rule.
All
the
rules
are
there,
so
they
made
the
wrong
recommendation.
That's
what
I
am
saying
to
start
with.
J
I
just
wanted
to
orient
the
Commission
I
know
this
is
first
time
you've
done
sy
sort,
but
it
seems
like
the
fish
is
being
asked
to
muster
all
the
evidence
that
he
would
have
brought
forth
in
the
epics
hearing
and
he
needs
to
almost
prevail,
but
the
standard
for
frivolous
complaint.
That's
what
I'm
here
and
he's
here
for
me.
A
D
The
standard
is
actually
set
out
in
the
ethics
code
and
it
basically
says
you're,
guided
by
rule
13
of
the
Rules
of
Civil
Procedure,
and
it
lists
several
other
categories
of
things
were
allowed
to
consider,
but
it
boils
down
to
do
you
feel
that
the
underlying
complaint
is
groundless
and
either
performed
in
bad
faith
or
for
harassment
purposes.
So
that's
the
standard
that
applies.
A
A
A
D
This
point:
if
the
Commission
wants
to
hear
from
anybody
else,
this
is
the
time
that
you
could
call
any
other
witnesses
that
the
Commission
wants
to
hear
problem.
If
you
don't
want
to
hear
from
anybody
else,
there's
no
other
information
you
want
to
collect.
You
basically
need
a
separate
motion,
5a
and
5b
in
order
of
the
order.
D
Basically,
you
have
the
option
or
each
one.
You
can
move
to
conduct
further
investigation
and
ask
for
more
documents
or
the
witnesses
be
present.
You
can
move
to
dismiss
the
complaint
or
you
can
find
that
it
is
frivolous
if
you
find
a
complaint
to
be
frivolous.
Your
options
to
impose
a
form
of
penalty
would
include
a
civil
penalty
not
to
exceed
$500
payment
of
attorneys
fees
associated
with
filing
the
frivolous
complaint
which
would
be
mine
and
now
I'd
need
to
get
an
accurate
number,
but
they're
roughly
about
4,500
bucks
or
three.
D
What
the
code
says
is
any
other
penalty
that
you're
authorized
by
law
to
impose
normally
what
that
means
is
you
can
impose
penalties,
such
as
public
admonishments
letters
of
reprimand
things
of
that
nature.
These
particular
individuals
are
not
employees,
so
you
don't
actually
impact
their.
You
know
their
job
performance
or
anything
like
that.
It's
just
the
public
declarations
regarding
the
filing
of
the
coupon,
so
those
are
your
options
and
it's
up
to
the
council.
What
you
want
to
do
next,
okay,.